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0:59IONUS – digital an Ihrer Seite! Dynasty Points It is the Market Report.
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1:07Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Dynasty Points. This is the Market Report.
1:10I'm your host, Thomas Tipple. Joining me as always, Zach Swails.
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1:54Now that the Company Man stuff is officially out of the way, we are recording this game during the Falcons-Packers game.
2:01We'll be doing our best to stay focused on task.
2:04This is Jalen Waddle. We now have a clear defined 1-2-3 in terms of the pecking order.
2:10It is Waddle, Cortland Sutton and then Pat Bryant.
2:12Soon to be Pat Bryant over Cortland Sutton. Cortland Sutton looks washed.
2:16But let's talk about Waddle bouncing back after the opener, you guys.
2:20After a quiet opener, he caught 8 for 138 against the Jaguars.
2:24Denver's offense pretty much ran through him. He had a 32% target share, 54% of the air yards.
2:30As I mentioned, the rotation is set in stone and Cortland Sutton himself struggled.
2:34He's getting 15% of the targets, 17% of the air yards.
2:38He's been a fade of mine all through the draft season.
2:41And now we can kind of see again what the role is looking like.
2:46So Jalen Waddle has a nice bounce back. Zach, I'm going to go to you.
2:50What popped for you guys charting wise? Was there something different?
2:54Is this something that we can rely on moving forward?
2:57I do strongly believe so. We saw this actually in week one.
3:01It just got shut down obviously with the abysmal play by the Broncos and the Chiefs defense overall.
3:07But large in part, you know, there's been off seasons going in where Denver's kind of talked about the Joker role.
3:14But a true Joker type of role is what you're seeing with Waddle.
3:18And stick with me. What I mean by that, because Thomas, I just saw you roll your eyes.
3:23It's the it's the movement piece. It's the true meaning of a Joker role being able to use be used all over the formation.
3:31And Davis Webb is finally unleashing Waddle to and to the degree that he wants to moving him all over the formation,
3:38moving him into the slot, using motion to get him in.
3:42And, you know, basically out on routes before the snap is even is even snapped.
3:46Right. Because you got him on motion and you got him already on the move.
3:51And so Waddle also, you just saw him find a lot more comfort in the offense, too.
3:57It was really highlighted there at the end when he he had a sick route where he literally sent the defensive back
4:04into the sideline and like tripped over himself and was wide open for the game ceiling, you know, deep route.
4:10So this is everything that we were hoping for dominating, you know, the targets, the route share.
4:16And you're right. Sutton essentially is looking like a shell of himself and is at best a possession receiver and maybe a
4:23jump ball merchant in the red zone. Yeah, it's looking very good for anybody that obviously bought in traded forum.
4:29I had no choice but to move my tears, which is definitely going to be that will should be published tonight or tomorrow for people wondering I've moved.
4:38I moved them right back up again. I wasn't exactly.
4:41I was actually too panicked on week one. If you guys had to guess, what do you think the average I'll throw it to Buck?
4:49What do you think the average price is going to be for somebody like Waddle for the rest of the year?
4:56And are you willing to pay it a first like a like a mid first probably?
5:01I mean, I would pay it. I think he's still in the same tier that he's been like he he lives with
5:08like T Higgins and Devante Smith because they all came out together and they were all like the wide receiver twos that
5:15we had to put a dynasty wide receiver ones at one point in time.
5:20And we had to like Waddle always had the best analytics of those three guys.
5:24And now Waddle's on his team by himself. But I think, yeah, just like a first.
5:29I don't I don't think he should change. I mean, he's 28 years old or he'll be 28 years old.
5:36So like I said, he came out with Devante Smith and T Higgins.
5:40So they're all in year six or whatever year six or seven.
5:44So I think it's a first. I wouldn't pay much more than that.
5:48And like a blind first, like probably not much more than that really at all.
5:53I mean, I would send her she rice for him, which you probably could do.
5:58That's yeah. Yeah. Send her she rice for half of a ham sandwich.
6:02It is. It's so bad. It's really, really bad on that front.
6:06I have some of the trades recently as from September 24th.
6:09We I'm going to look for one that doesn't have five, six players.
6:13We have Omar Cooper in a 27 one or Jalen Waddle.
6:17I mean, that's like the that's like the baseline.
6:20I don't want to send much more than that.
6:23Like if you think Omar Cooper is a real player, like I really don't really don't care.
6:28He had one big catch in week one. Now he's on IR.
6:32Like if he's something like if we believe him to be worth like a two plus, I don't want to do that trade.
6:39I don't care about Cooper. So I would just I look at it just sending a first.
6:45But if you spend a first on Cooper and it's two ones, I'm not doing that.
6:50If that makes sense. I think that's fair. Zach.
6:53I would also say this really works both ways because this fits my personal mold of like if you are a rebuilder
7:00selling off of Waddle by being able to get yourself a first and a snack.
7:04A dart throw on a on a, you know, potential player.
7:08I know Buck saying that he doesn't believe him to be real.
7:12However, this would be a real rebuild strategy that I would be able to get behind.
7:17But with most of my teams being, you know, ones that I'm trying to go in and win, then yeah, I would
7:24be willing to take the lot of side. I'm definitely okay with sending Jalen Waddle.
7:29If this is if your team is a projectable, say top four in total value in total points projected out with your
7:36max points for I could see that being a trade that I want to make.
7:41Yeah, I don't mind that at all. I'm not on the like hoard all your 27 picks.
7:46I definitely want to hoard all of the 27 picks that are within the top.
7:51Four top five, you know, that's that's probably where I'm at.
7:54But there does come a point where you need to pack the points on, especially with scoring being up.
8:00So high Jalen Waddle for Bo Nix and a super flex tight and premium is something I am not doing.
8:07No, I think that's that's a little much for me.
8:10It's also what kind of team do you have to have to be able to send a quarterback like that?
8:16Here's one. This is the one that I really wanted to highlight.
8:20It's Jalen Waddle and O'Marion Hampton for Zay Flowers and Bucky Irving.
8:24So it really tests our love for wide receivers.
8:27I think Zay Flowers and Waddle project similarly enough.
8:30But it comes down to the Marion Hampton Hampton and Bucky Irving side where we now have reports where Tampa Bay is
8:37putting Bucky Irving on a pitch count with was the report that came out today because of how long the season is
8:44and the grueling nature of the position. So. Buck, is it Zay Tovin and Bucky or is it O'Marion and Waddle?
8:51They also said that Bucky Irving was going to be ready in summer or fall like a month ago.
8:57Now he's back and he was playing 73% of the snaps.
9:00I don't really care like what Todd Bowles says.
9:03Like that guy like is always saying something about running backs.
9:07It doesn't matter ever. Like we've seen through two weeks that it's not, you know, Gainwell hasn't even played pretty much.
9:13There's been something I was wrong on. So I don't know like how much stock you want to put on that.
9:20Like especially like they basically said he was like dead in camp just a month ago.
9:25So I don't know. I think it's probably the Hampton side just because of the value.
9:30Like Hampton was a, you know, second round startup pick.
9:33He was around one, two seasonal picker. I don't think he's very good, but I think he holds the value.
9:40So you'd be taking like a legitimate value loss probably just definitely on paper.
9:44If you send the Hampton side, even though I think Zay will outscore Waddle if he's healthy.
9:50And I think Bucky and, you know, Hampton will be like a wash.
9:54So, but I think on pure dynasty value, you probably have to take the Hampton side.
9:59You can get two firsts for Hampton. Probably you could barely get a first for Bucky.
10:04I mean, just think of where like the Bucky value was like 15 days ago.
10:09Yeah, I took a first for Bucky in the offseason.
10:12It's been like a hot contested conversation topic in the discord.
10:16Like Bucky was in the, I'm sorry, Bucky was in the eighth round, like in a startup right before the season.
10:22He was going in the eighth round. Like no one wanted him.
10:26So that's kind of where you need to take the, this is like a second out on a player.
10:32And almost every time I say that you get that second out, you almost always win on the second out.
10:39So you should probably just take it before it doesn't become that.
10:43Yeah. Buck actually just beat me to the punch.
10:45That was, that was exactly it. Like Bucky had hit a ceiling in his value and then it kind of cratered last year.
10:53And now he's, he's somewhat had a bit of a bounce back in situations like this.
10:58If you could tear up from a Bucky to a Hampton, who was a first round, you know, NFL draft pick.
11:05And, you know, we're probably going to talk to him, but a lot of the people at fantasy points are talking about how he's just being misused.
11:13So what if he did get used properly? Right.
11:16So that, that tear jump between Bucky to Omarion is just too dramatic of one in comparison to whatever the, the tear
11:23increase might be from water with the flowers. If there even is one.
11:27Yeah. And this one's really tough. I want, I want to take this a flower side.
11:32I have a flowers ranked higher than Jalen Waddle in my dynasty rankings.
11:37And I have what I want to believe in the points versus the value differential between Bucky and Hampton.
11:43I think Bucky can score the same, if not better than Hampton.
11:47And then you get the better value side on the wide receiver.
11:50So it's very tough for me back and forth.
11:53I'm, I'm probably taking this a flowers and Bucky Irving side personally for that reason.
11:58But this is, this is why we have these trades split right down the middle.
12:03I think if, if you can truly get Waddle for a one, you know, as we've talked about as a contender, this
12:10is definitely something to keep in mind because when it comes to the 20, 27, I, I, I don't want to move
12:17them ideally in the first four weeks until you get a lay of the land.
12:22But then you have to be able to, and willing to move that currency in order to set yourself up for a championship.
12:29Yeah. You're, you're not wrong. I'm also just not running out to trade a first for a player like him when I
12:36think I could find similar production for a cheaper or like if you're already going to set a first or a first
12:43plus, it's like, what could you add, you know, to get to Chris Olave?
12:48What more can you add to get to even like Jamar chase, you know, before week two, like it just depends.
12:54Right. So if you're already sending a one plus two, like see, go more, a little bit more big game hunting than that.
13:02If you're already there, like to me, cause it's like waddle is cool.
13:06But what is he going to be like wide receiver 16?
13:09Doesn't matter as much if there's like no top five ceiling.
13:13So I'm not ready to just send a first like fully for players in that tier when like Devante Smith, very similar, probably cheaper.
13:21Also, you know, age 28 season. So I would, I would think you, I would just take a check first.
13:27Cause you could probably get a similar waddle for a cheaper, maybe someone coming off of a bad week too.
13:33Also like he's more expensive. He just had a good game.
13:37So. Yeah, I have. It goes a flowers for me, I think at 11.
13:41And then close to that, I have, uh, I'm just taking a look.
13:46You've got like the Pickens, Nico, Alave, Wilson. And then a little further down, you have waddle, Devante Smith, Egbuka and Ladd.
13:53Like that's kind of where you're at within the tiers and the tier breaks for me.
13:58Yeah. Yeah. But you're probably better off just trying to go trade for Nico or Zay, right?
14:03Like they're hurt. They didn't play last week. So they're going to score similar when they're all playing.
14:09I mean, there's a chance. Like you don't, we can't even say for certain which one of those three all healthy would score like the best.
14:17Nico like easily could if he could play. So you could catch someone that has a hurt player that needs some points.
14:24And just like, if you're 2-0, just go for Nico first before you have to shell out, you know, close to 2-1st
14:31eval for Waddle who's never getting more value. He's 28 in four months.
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15:34IONUS. Digital an Ihrer Seite. Now, Buck, would you want to stay more in that mid-elite tier, like the Wattles, the Devontes, and potentially that first?
15:42Or you said potentially go get a flex player for less.
15:45What about, we'll talk about Josh Downs for a second.
15:49Where would you draw that line? That's just like, that's just kind of impossible, at least like for Josh Downs is like, he is a tough player.
15:57Cause like, he's like an enigma player, right? Like he's not real, right?
16:01He has, like he has shooters. Like Josh Downs always will.
16:05He finally had a good game. Like you're probably just not getting him for a two off of a good game, at least in our like little realm.
16:14Right? That's all I'm talking about is like, he is a Twitter player to the max.
16:19That's true. And I'm, and I'm a Josh Downs guy too, but like, I'm not selling him for a straight two, even
16:26when he like wasn't good after week one. So it's kind of tougher.
16:30I kind of mean more like when I mean in that range, I mean to go to like Devante Adams, Perry McLaurin
16:37again, those type of guys, Matthew Golden, like even him, like he might be a little bit more expensive, but like Josh
16:44Downs most likely is like, you're just not going to get him off of whoever has him.
16:50Cause they probably had him for three years. And he's been like, he's just like, there's certain players that are just like
16:57really tough to trade for, especially like in our type of leagues.
17:01And like Josh Downs is probably like on the Mount Rushmore, that list.
17:05So I would go more to like, like I said, Tay, Tay McLaurin's a little scarier, but you know, Tay or somebody like that.
17:12T Higgins, who's had an off to a slow start, like players that, you know, or have been known to score similar,
17:20getting a plus with those guys for a player, maybe coming off of a, a game like Waddle.
17:25I could see very, very much so doable. What about if you're going to trade for Josh Downs?
17:31Why don't you just trade for Adonai Mitchell, his former teammate.
17:35He's probably a lot cheaper as well. I don't, you're not ever going to convince me Buck that 80 Mitchell's a real player.
17:42He's coming, he's coming off of 12 targets. That's great.
17:45I'm happy for him. And he's free. Not again.
17:48Oh, for free, for sure. We're talking about players that are probably going to average 11 points.
17:53Right. Like, so if 80 Mitchell averages 11 points, I don't know what I'm going to do.
17:59But you might have to, like, let me, let me know if this makes sense.
18:04You're probably gonna have to pay an eight point price on 80 Mitchell.
18:08You have to pay a 15 point price on Josh Downs for the same 11 points.
18:13That's just how it goes. Right. So I don't know.
18:16Like take a shot on somebody else. Like, well, let's talk about, we just don't, we just don't have a lot of vets.
18:23Like that's the problem. You don't have a lot of like aging vets that score points.
18:29You're right. We have digs. Go get digs. I have on players that we should talk about.
18:34We can segue right to it as Josh Downs.
18:37So let's talk about the good and the bad.
18:40The bad is that he's never truly been a full-time player.
18:43Opportunity coming with Alec Pierce missing time and significant time.
18:47I don't even know if he should have been out there.
18:50It is not good. So Downs is going to get an immediate boost.
18:54Versus the Chiefs, he let the Colts in routes at 85%.
18:58Target with nine. He caught seven. He had 72 yards.
19:01He looked electric on the field. He looked like the only player that could really seriously threaten the defense.
19:07That's great. Obviously the Colts have to see that and be willing to utilize that themselves.
19:12He's never run over 80% of routes in back-to-back games.
19:15In fact, he only hit that mark twice in 2025.
19:18We now have him hitting that this year in back-to-back games.
19:22He has more targets more than anyone else. Tyler Warren, it doesn't feel like they want to use him anywhere but the flat.
19:29I was ready to flex on Jacob and Ryan who kind of, not snickered, but they were doubting the fact that I
19:36had Tyler Warren in the same tier as Colson Loveland.
19:40I was like, oh yeah, look at all these targets.
19:43Look at all the usage. Josh Downs is clearly the best option.
19:47They signed Buck's favorite not-real player in Darius Slayton to fill the Alec Pierce role.
19:51I think buying right now, you probably missed out.
19:54I think it's probably too late to buy at a reasonable price.
19:58He's got a great separation score. His win rate, fantastic.
20:01Yards after the catch, he's been electric. Just really explosive type player.
20:05Part of the bad is that the offense sucks.
20:08The passing offense looks pretty bad, but 86.2% of the snaps, like I mentioned, 85.1% of the routes, 21% target share in
20:15the team, 28.3% of the air yards. This is a pretty good player for that player that you might have to pay
20:22that 15-point-per-game price for if he has the opportunity to be a wide receiver.
20:27Number one, with all that being said, the table is set.
20:30What are our expectations and are you buying? Because Josh Downs is one of the must-buy players, like Buck had mentioned, across
20:37pretty much all of Twitter, pretty much across all of YouTube.
20:41I remain skeptical. Zach, are you buying the performances or are you selling it?
20:45I'm buying the performances, but I'm questionable at how long it's going to last.
20:50I want to ask you guys, does this feel like if we're ever going to have a cell window on Downs, does this feel like it's it?
20:58Just large in part because Daniel Jones is looking absolutely so abysmal.
21:02And yes, there's room for growth post-injury, but right now it is just so bad.
21:07And the biggest thing with Downs is what most people don't realize with Downs is how violent of a football player he is.
21:14Like on tape, he's one of the fun. Like that's why he is a Twitter boy, as you guys call it, because
21:21he's so fun to watch on tape and he runs incredibly violent.
21:25But he runs and plays like he's bigger than he is.
21:29So now that Downs does have more exposure, number one, I'm curious, can he stay healthy?
21:34Because if he continues to try and be a beast after the catch, that's where the injuries kind of wear in on him.
21:41And then also just like the statistics for Daniel Jones right now are absolutely abysmal.
21:46I mean, we're talking about 29th in EPA per drop back.
21:49He's 30th in completion percentage over expectation, 28th in yards per attempt, 28th in adjusted net yards.
21:55Like it is. I don't know what to do with it.
21:58It's literally John Taylor and Josh Downs is going to continue to eat in the kind of short and intermediate routes.
22:05And that's basically what's crippling Tyler Warren. Well, not even just that they did use or they were trying to use Josh Downs down the field as well.
22:14He was completely wide open on a nice slot fade against Baltimore in week one.
22:19But that absolutely got collapsed by the pressure that Baltimore applied and of course never generated a holding call.
22:25But neither here nor there. So the downfield targets are a possibility.
22:29And I don't know if Darius Slayton is going to come in and make that big of a difference downfield.
22:35But I think you probably have like a four to six week window where he's very much likely to be used as
22:42kind of a legit wide receiver one anyway. Just looking at the data suite 2.0, Daniel Jones has only three attempts of over 20 yards.
22:50Danny Nichols. Danny Nichols. Danny Nichols. Well, I like that you call it Jonathan Taylor, by the way, a couple of minutes ago.
22:58John Taylor. I like that. Anyway, I don't know.
23:00I'm a perpetual Josh Downs buyer like forever. Like I think the dude could just play.
23:06Like there's certain people I just think could play.
23:08I think he could. I think he'll get a shot.
23:12You do have to remember though. Darius Slayton and Danny Nichols.
23:15Former shower narrative. Former shower narrative of those two.
23:18Darius Slayton was the biggest Daniel Jones glazer of all time.
23:22Like he used to like I'm so for real.
23:24He used to sit there in front of the media and go out at bat for him.
23:30And when Dan Jones got cut from the Giants and was like the safety, you know, and in practice, he was like
23:37literally crying, tearing up in the interview. Like that's his guy.
23:40Like he's went to bat. So it's they have a weird relationship.
23:44Also, Darius Slayton stinks. But he will be able to feel like he is like the most Alec Pierce player.
23:51That's not Alec Pierce. Probably just runs far. He'll have a couple games.
23:55Like that's what Darius Slayton is. He can't catch, which is not great for the position he plays.
24:01But I'll always buy it down. I just think he's really good.
24:04But he's just like a player that's like almost not worth talking about because you kind of can't buy him.
24:11And like I roster him. You're not going to buy him off of me.
24:15I'm not selling him for a two. Like, I don't know, two seconds, I guess, right?
24:20Like, would you sell him for like, I don't know, again, Devontae Adams?
24:25Like if you're contending and you have Josh Downs, would you send Devontae Adams for him?
24:30Like, I mean, would you take Devontae Adams for Downs?
24:33Like that would have to be the type of trades you do.
24:37Like, and now if Downs actually breaks out and he's good this year, like he used to be the perfect like kind
24:44of fake player to use in trades to get to the guys to score points.
24:49But if he does score, if he just scores points this year, he's a 15 point per game player.
24:55And he's a sixth round pick, fifth round pick in startups next year.
24:59And, you know, Devontae Adams will be still in the 12th round.
25:03So you kind of can't use him like that anymore because his upside of a value asset is like way higher.
25:09Like he's like, what, 23, 24? Like if he breaks out.
25:13Five? Yeah, if he's year three, year four. If he breaks out, he's a real asset.
25:18So you have to kind of take that into account too.
25:22And he just has like a Twitter boost. He has a name.
25:25Like, I don't know. So I don't want to sell him.
25:29I also don't really think you could buy him.
25:32I think it's just like kind of. I just don't think you can get him for a straight two.
25:38I think that's probably his value. And I don't think anyone has taken that.
25:42Where he might be tough if, again, if you know your opponent and the player you have is like Buck and you're
25:49just not getting him off of that name value the last couple of years or you know what content your league mates
25:56are taking in, but you don't always know. So if you look at some of the trades that have popped up from
26:03today, like I said, we're recording this on the 24th.
26:07You got Josh Downs for Gunner Helm. Oh, this is from the 23rd.
26:11But Josh Downs for Gunner Helm in a 27-2.
26:14I would just take Josh Downs every single time.
26:17I think we all are. You've got Josh Downs for Stribbling.
26:20Multiple times. That is very interesting. I would take Josh Downs every single time.
26:25Josh Downs for a 28 first. I draw the line.
26:28I'm not sending that. No, I'd want the first.
26:31Me too. Yeah, I'm not sending that. I think that's a little crazy.
26:35Buck asked if I would take two twos. And I think I would at this point if I got two twos.
26:41What was that A.J. Brown trade down there? Would you take A.J.
26:45Brown for Josh Downs? A.J. Brown is going to be out for six to eight weeks.
26:50He's a 30-year-old receiver. Josh Downs or A.J. Brown?
26:53It was way down there. It was a big trade, though.
26:57Right there. Ferguson. A.J. Brown and Jake Ferguson for Josh Downs, a one and a two.
27:02Yeah, give me Josh Downs, a one and a two.
27:05But if we just talk about A.J. Brown versus Downs, though, what do you want?
27:10See, I've been out on A.J. Brown, so I would take Josh Downs on that one.
27:15I would, too. I mean, he's going to be out for six to eight weeks, right?
27:20High ankle sprain. Might as well just kill his season.
27:23That's what that is. It's worse than an ACL for fantasy players.
27:27You have to play the guy, and he's going to be terrible.
27:31He's 30. Like, I would take Josh. If you could still get Josh Downs for A.J.
27:36Brown, I'd definitely do that. I feel like you would be able to get more than Josh Downs for A.J.
27:43Brown, still. Maybe you can get a two at it.
27:46Just depends how people feel about, like, you know, Brown being out.
27:50Yeah, maybe you can get Brown in a two.
27:52Maybe that's a trade you need to try to make.
27:56Maybe that's what it is. Brown in a two.
27:59Get him. I think you probably could, yeah. Or Downs in a two, yeah.
28:03Yeah, I'm sitting here trying to think about it, and it's really hard to not lean that way.
28:09But, like I said, you can see it. Dontavian Wicks, Colton Loveland in a two for a 27-1, and Josh Downs.
28:16Colton Loveland's gotten cheap. Yeah, well, I mean, the first two weeks.
28:19You'll do that. That's what I'm saying. So, I said last week that I don't have an opinion.
28:25Said that I didn't know how to rank this player.
28:28I don't know where to put him. I don't know what to do with him.
28:33So, Jalen Coker is the player that I want to talk about.
28:37I need to know if this is real or not.
28:40Or will Bryce Young come back down to earth?
28:43His usage has been elite, a .38 expected fantasy points per team play.
28:47It ranks top six among players at every position.
28:50Players at every position among wide receivers. Only CeeDee Lamb is higher.
28:54Week two, Ted Roa McMillan scored slightly more fantasy points, 15.1 to 14.6.
28:58But Coker led the team in first read targets with seven.
29:02For a second straight game. Season to date, he's top 16 among wide receivers in first read target share at 29.5.
29:08Top three in red zone targets with five. Only JSN and Amun Ra, St.
29:13Brown have more. Furthermore, in the last 10 games, including the playoffs, Jalen Coker versus Tett McMillan.
29:18Yards per outrun, 2.25 versus two. DraftKings fantasy points, 16.1 versus 13.8.
29:22And expected fantasy points per game, 13.2 versus 13.5.
29:25Tett McMillan slightly ahead. Excuse me. So, gentlemen, it's time.
29:28We have to make a definitive choice. Is Jalen Coker real?
29:32Is this going to maintain being real? And then is it too late to buy?
29:36Is it already too late to buy Jalen Coker?
29:39Yeah, I mean, probably. Like, he's another Josh Downs, like, tweener type player, right?
29:44Like, probably don't want to send a first for him.
29:47No reason to take a two for him. Like, I'm a cokehead.
29:51I've been for the last three years. Like, I think.
29:54Explains why you've been gone. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm in on him.
29:58I think he's really good. Like, I don't know.
30:01Like, last year he had, like, the blip in the radar season because he had all that hype.
30:07Then he got hurt. Then he came back late.
30:10And then he broke out towards the end and had the playoff game.
30:14He had, like, a really, really big playoff game, 100-something yards.
30:17He was, like, the inverse Parker Washington. It was, like, those two players at the end of the season were breaking out together.
30:25And, like, Parker Washington got all this shine. And he held the shine to the, you know, to the preseason where he
30:32ended up being, like, a fifth-round seasonal pick. And, you know, Jalen Coker was, like, a 12th-round pick.
30:38They're kind of, like, the same player. Like, the same type of asset.
30:42I almost think they should just be valued, like, the same.
30:45And they're just not going to be. Coker won't be right now.
30:49Like, you probably have to send a first to get Washington, like, for sure.
30:54You don't have to, I don't think, for Coker.
30:56But I wouldn't take, if I'm selling him, like, I wouldn't take less than a first.
31:02But I think as far as buying, like, yeah, I think you're done.
31:06It's always tough with these type of players, right?
31:09Because, like I said, it's, like, I don't know.
31:11Like, if you had him, no reason to sell.
31:14And if you want to buy him, like, what do you buy him for?
31:19Like, I don't know. Like, if I'm going to send a first for Coker, like I said, I just want to see
31:26what I can do with my other first and see who else I can get.
31:31That's what I'm trying to do. So, to me, like, and I have this take a lot.
31:36And I know some people don't agree with this.
31:39Like, to me, it's, like, with Coker, if you missed out, you missed out.
31:43Whatever. Find the next Coker. Like, move on. Don't try to chase it and buy it because probably it's going to lose.
31:50Like, you have to spend too much. Like, you'll find another Jalen Coker.
31:55Do us undraft it. There'll be somebody else you can find.
31:58Just don't chase it if you don't have him yet, in my opinion.
32:02I really like that point about not chasing because you're right.
32:06Like, if you kind of missed getting in on the blow up and the hype, then you don't want to overpay because he's a popular name now.
32:14You can say the same thing at this point about Parker Washington's glow up as well, right?
32:20Because some of us were talking about giving up our 107s, 108s in the 2026 draft to go get Parker.
32:26So, the ship has sailed in some degree on this.
32:29Now, I would push back a little bit on you, Buck, when you were talking about comparing Coker and Parker in the same landscape.
32:37Now, both being kind of low draft picks, if even drafted at all, had to kind of work their way up.
32:44And so, the biggest difference is that Parker has established himself as the number one.
32:49And I know some of the first three targets and stuff are leaning Coker's way.
32:53But let's also give respect to the type of person that Tett McMillan is on the outside and the kind of demand
33:01that he commands by the defense, which also opens up and gives Jalen Coker more one-on-one opportunities.
33:06And that's part of the Coker blow up that you're seeing right now.
33:10It's because defenses are trying to bracket and cover Tett McMillan, and it's opening up Coker's role a little bit more.
33:17Now, with that being said, Coker's always been a baller.
33:20He was just super, super raw, right? You get these from small school college guys who are just really great athletes, and
33:27they catch the ball well, and they look really mean after the catch.
33:31But they don't run the right depth of routes, right?
33:34You oftentimes think the quarterback is throwing it incorrectly, but really, they're not running the right slant at the right depth or
33:41the right hitch at the right depth and so on and so forth.
33:46So, it took a couple of years for Coker to figure that out, but now we're here.
33:51This all my rant kind of concludes in the fact that while it looks really good right now, part of the reason
33:58that Coker wasn't in the Parker Washington territory is because of the quarterback, right?
34:03Bryce Young, I mean, he struggled to have 200-yard passing games, and now he's had back-to-back over 250-yard passing games.
34:09So, while I'm hyped about Coker, I question the sustainability because I don't know how much we can count on Bryce Young to continue this.
34:17Thomas is pulling it up right now, but look at that catch percent.
34:21That's the highly accurate throw rate. So, it's still down in the 65.8% realm.
34:26So, it's actually Bryce Young's accuracy to some degree has actually gone worse despite the metrics going up.
34:31Yeah, ninth percentile, 30th in the league. Yeah, but he's also always, like Bryce Young has always thrived with the Coker type player, right?
34:39Like, 34-year-old Adam Thielen had, like, 110 and 1,200 with, like, rookie Bryce Young or whatever.
34:44You know, super, super bad Bryce Young. So, they're, like, slot players, like, closer to the line.
34:50Like, I don't know. They're big. Yeah, so I think Coker would be fine.
34:54Like, I don't mind. Like, I don't mind the whole, like, oh, he's not the wide receiver one on his team.
35:01Like, I don't really care about that because he's getting wide receiver one type of, like, peripherals, right?
35:07Like, he's getting the targets, getting the target share.
35:09Like, it's the same argument with, like, T. Higgins, right?
35:13Like, I don't want T. Higgins to leave, to leave Jamar Chase.
35:16I want him to stay next to Jamar Chase.
35:19Like, he still gets wide receiver one uses. He's just not the wide receiver one, right?
35:24And sometimes, like, what does that mean? Like, if you're a 25% target share, who cares?
35:30What does that mean? Wide receiver one just means you're going to get the better corner.
35:35Like, let Tet take the, you know, the better matchups anyway, the worst matchups for anyone.
35:40So, I don't really care about that part of it.
35:43But I just think, like, him and Parker Washington, my comp with that is, like, they traveled, like, the same as assets, right?
35:50Like, they were both, like, Parker Washington was on Dynasty waiver wires this time last year.
35:55Like, I traded for him in the league that I'm in with Thomas.
36:00I sent a fourth for Parker Washington. But that's also why I said, like, you don't know.
36:05So, that's why it's important to know if we're too late, right?
36:09Because if you believe in this, let me tell you, you've got five to six weeks until we really get to see.
36:16Bryce Young has really good matchups until six weeks from now, I believe, where he gets the Eagles, which is really going to be their first legitimate test.
36:25So, we're going to get the opportunity to see if Bryce Young here is for real.
36:30And this is another player that people are discussing in terms of the sending a blind 27-1-4.
36:35We got a hot start. Two three touchdown games, 56.5 fantasy points through two weeks.
36:40That's only behind Josh Allen. Last week, first, the Falcons, he was 23 of 36 for 287.
36:46He had eight yards per attempt. And again, the three touchdowns plus a six-yard run is 24.1 fantasy points.
36:52I thought he is moving around a little bit more than he was in years past.
36:57The passing volume, Carolina has been slower to open it up with Young previously.
37:01But this year, 73 attempts through two games, 35-plus attempts and 250-plus yards.
37:06In four straight games, going back to week 18 last season, concern a little bit with man coverage.
37:11Cleveland plays man coverage more than any other team at 45.3% since last season.
37:16Young averages just 5.18 yards per attempt and 0.5 fantasy points per dropback against men.
37:21So this upcoming matchup against the Browns could be the first legitimate test for these guys, though they're not test.
37:27I mean, I still think the best defense they're going to face is Philadelphia.
37:31But for a player like Coker, this is the type of matchup where we kind of get to see potentially a little bit of a test here.
37:40So we're going to pull up some of the trades for him.
37:44And while you're doing that, the one thing I will say in positivity to Bryce is it just feels like they're using him better.
37:52I kind of talked about his swagger looks back.
37:54When Bryce is playing with a sort of charisma about him, he always plays up a different level.
38:00But getting him on the move, getting him out from behind his offensive line, allowing him to see the field better, to
38:07Buck's point about how they like to have those big receivers on the outside.
38:12I mean, right now, Bryce has as many. We talked about Daniel Jones only having three.
38:17Bryce Young has as many throws attempts over 20 yards as he does inside of 10 to 20.
38:23So he's a lot more willing to kind of get out on the run and throw it a little bit deeper than
38:30it feels like he has been in the past.
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39:17Ionus. Digital an Ihrer Seite. So, I know we're really trying to stay, like, head-focused on the content and whatever, but Buck,
39:24you're gonna be really mad to know that a Falcons player just tackled Matthew Golden's ankles before he was about to catch it for a 70-yard touchdown.
39:33Um, so that fell incomplete, but, uh, that was, that was coming.
39:36It was happening. And number 21 just tackled Matthew Golden, uh, while he was, uh, on the way.
39:42So, sorry. Sorry about that. You can't, you can't contain this dude.
39:46You have to tackle him. He's so tough. Like, Matthew Golden is so tough.
39:51You can't even contain this guy. You have to, like, you might, you might have to start guarding.
39:56Jamar Chase is gonna be on a podcast next week asking why Matthew Golden's not getting doubled.
40:02Yeah. Oh, God. Uh, all right. We've got Bryce Young or Fernando Mendoza in a second.
40:07Yeah, see, like, I'm taking Mendoza here. That's crazy to me.
40:10Me too, but I don't think it's crazy. I don't think it's that crazy, but I wouldn't, I mean, the second on the side.
40:18Like, I don't think Mendoza versus Bryce Young is that crazy of a discussion, but, I mean, I could see why that,
40:25I could see why that trade's made. Like, I see why someone has to make that trade.
40:31Like, Mendoza's not playing. I can see why they can make that trade, but I would take Mendoza in the two for sure.
40:38So, the reason I say crazy is just from, like, a prospect profile.
40:42Like, I know we already know what we know about Bryce Young, but, like, Fernando coming out is just, like, he's built like a quarterback, right?
40:50Like, he's. Oh, not that Dan Arlovsky, this is how it's supposed to look.
40:55Not that this is how it's supposed to look.
40:58Looking a little quarterback-y. Is it quarterback-y for you, Zach?
41:01A better, man. Oh, no. He can at least see over the line.
41:05Oh, no. No, we joke, we joke, of course.
41:08Yeah, I could see that, but it gets to a point where, like, three years in, three years plus in.
41:14I don't really care about the prospect stuff. I care about the growth stuff for Bryce Young.
41:20But that's where I said the next couple weeks is going to be important.
41:24However, this is why we talk about are we paying what we're paying now?
41:29Because in four weeks, if this continues, the price of the brick is only going up.
41:34I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Bryce Young.
41:37Because, like, if you know me, I hate that, like, tier QB, like, NFL tier QB.
41:42But the biggest thing about Bryce Young coming out of college, right, was, like, his number one trait, which I remember, like,
41:49betting on that so dumb looking back. Like, his number one trait was, like, his brain, right?
41:54That he's so smart that he's, like, you know, they used to, they called it, what was the thing?
42:00Seth Curry of football? Like, that was whoever said that.
42:04Whoever that was, Kirk Curbstreet, somebody. That was, like, a big thing.
42:07But it's, like, he is kind of back to that, right?
42:11On Sunday, he made all those checks at the line to get to that Darren Waller touchdown that they talked about.
42:18And he's, like, commanding the huddle, like, well. Like, that was his whole thing, right?
42:22Is that he's really smart. He could read the defense.
42:26Like, he's just, like, kind of like a supercomputer at quarterback.
42:29That was the whole thing about him. Like, yeah, not that big.
42:33Arm maybe not that strong. But it's, like, he is, like, like, Luka Doncic is, like, the supercomputer in the NBA.
42:40Like, that's what Bryce Young was supposed to be.
42:43And it looks like some of that's kind of coming to fruition.
42:46Like, he might have, like, some talent concerns. But if he's going to be doing all that type of stuff where he
42:54can just, like, read defenses, make checks, and, like, his teammates have, like, he's going to get $200 million in a couple months.
43:01Like, that's just a fact at this point now.
43:04So I think he's, like, kind of an underrated asset.
43:07And he could just be, like, we see quarterbacks, like, like, Jarek Goff, another former number one overall pick, right?
43:13Like, people were writing him for dead, like, when his last year on the Rams, his first year on the Lions.
43:20And it's, like, sometimes you get to play as much as Jarek Goff does.
43:25Like, you just get better by playing that much.
43:27Like, Jarek Goff probably shouldn't have had three more years of being a starter.
43:32Like, he was that bad. His last, like I said, last year in L.A., why he got shipped off in that first year in Detroit.
43:40Like, he was worth a second in Dynasty that first year in Detroit.
43:44People thought they were going to draft a QB.
43:47People thought he was done. They ended up drafting Hendon Hooker was the quarterback.
43:51And people were still selling him because of Hendon Hooker.
43:55Like, that's really. I remember that. So, like, Bryce Young is probably just, like, locked into starting in the NFL for the next couple years.
44:03I know it's, like, a cop-out answer because we were saying that about, like, Tua.
44:07But it's, like, I don't know. Bryce Young might just be, like, just good enough to be able to hang around.
44:14And then when he's 28, 29, he can just break out and be good.
44:19Like, I don't know. I think Bryce Young is just kind of underrated because it's almost like I want to compare him to Dak fully.
44:27But, like, that's kind of Dak, right? Like, Dak is just, like, was kind of good in the beginning of his career.
44:34But he was, like, now, like, Dak is so good at the quarterback stuff.
44:38Like, just really, really good at the QB stuff.
44:41Like, Aaron Rodgers even talked about that. Not that way.
44:44Aaron Rodgers even talked about that. How, like, Dak is probably, like, the smartest quarterback in the league when it comes to
44:51pre, like, you know, like, pre-checks and stuff. And I think Bryce Young is, like, kind of there, too.
44:57Like, that's just going to get him a long way.
45:00Like, I don't know if any of that makes sense.
45:04But that's why I'd be buying Bryce Young because I think he's just going to be in the league for a long time.
45:11And he has a ceiling. He's showed a ceiling now.
45:14You could, to the cerebral part of it, that could be why you're seeing the Bryce glow up.
45:20Because, you know, it's slowing. The game's slowing down for him if it's, you know, if he's as smart as everybody was kind of expecting him to be.
45:29And you see that with some of these young prospects coming in where it's all just way too fast and overwhelming.
45:36And then as the years go on, especially at the quarterback position, it all just kind of slows down a little bit.
45:43But I would just say, looking at this trade chart, though, some of these trades just seem like right now the Bryce
45:50value seems just like you can level up, it feels.
45:53Well, you got Sam Darnold, a player that Buck refuses to acknowledge.
45:57Well, we'll get to that one. But a player that Buck refuses to acknowledge in Roma Dunze.
46:02You get Jacoby Lane, who a lot of excitement from him.
46:06But he's Baltimore's wide receiver two, who's also hurt.
46:09And a rookie. And you get Bryce Young, the GOAT Xavier Leggett, and a 27 third.
46:14Like, I'll just take Bryce Young. You get a stack.
46:17You get a stack with that one. I'll just take Bryce Young.
46:21Is Rome that dead to you guys for taking Bryce Young?
46:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Have you ever seen how I write Roma Dunze's name on Twitter?
46:30Yeah, he's that dead. He's that dead to me.
46:33It's like Voldemort. He just won't even say his name.
46:36This one I find interesting. Aaron Jones, Bryce Young, Dalton Kincaid, or AJ Brown, and Justin Herbert.
46:42This one's going to test Buck to his core.
46:44The Kincaid blowup has me leaning that way. Buck doesn't want to say it.
46:49He doesn't want to say it because he knows his reputation's on the line.
46:53Previous Discord messages are available. Say it so I can be happy.
46:57So over the last couple of days, I have turned in my Justin Herbert truther card.
47:02I have turned it in. Thank you. I can change his nickname on our co-managed team now.
47:08I have turned it in. I would just take Bryce Young and Kincaid.
47:12I mean, Kincaid's going to – like he should be a top five tight end rest of the season.
47:18He should probably maybe be like the tight end two rest of the season, just in seasonal.
47:23Like that's how he should be ranked. He's breaking out all – like Dalton Kincaid's always been good.
47:29He just needed to play more. Now he's playing more and we see the production.
47:34So Bryce Young's honestly probably just going to outscore Justin Herbert.
47:38Like I don't want to do a whole Justin Herbert thing, but it's terrible.
47:42It's bad. And he's not even like being the fun bad anymore.
47:46So I would just take Bryce Young. I don't know if – I don't really think Bryce Young will jump Herbert head-to-head
47:53in value, at least not right now. But I mean you could make a case that by the end of the season maybe you should.
48:01Chuba Hubbard and Bryce Young or Tyler Shuck and Nicholas Singleton?
48:04Oh, man. All right. Yeah, I'm going Bryce Young.
48:07This is Bryce Young and Chuba for me. Because to Buck's point, I think Bryce Young's runway for multiple years in the
48:14league is more solidified or safer than Tyler Shuck's is currently right now.
48:18We getting Shuck tonight. We getting Shuck tonight. I would take Bryce Young because the Shuck piece, like the other piece, Nick Singleton with us, my guy.
48:27Just like not a real player like Chuba is going to be.
48:31You know, like he's an actual asset. So even though he was – people treated him as he wasn't an asset to
48:38a guy who had six career carries in two years.
48:41But we're not here to talk about that. So I'll take Bryce Young and Chuba.
48:46What about Bryce Young in a second or Carson back in a one?
48:50That's Bryce so easily for me. Yeah, Bryce. Yeah.
48:53So that's about where we're at. We're buying Bryce Young right now.
48:57Buying into that tier of quarterback can be tough.
49:00I know we want to be frugal with our 27 twos.
49:03But yeah, I think that is where we are.
49:06Let's talk about – we have two more ones that we're talking positively on.
49:11And I'm just going to tell you now, I'm buying Terry McLaurin.
49:14And I know that Terry McLaurin having Mariota will scare some people off with Marcus Mariota since the start of last season.
49:21McLaurin has averaged 3.38 yards per route run with Mariota on the field.
49:26That would rank wide receiver three over that span.
49:29This week, Mariota played the second half. And McLaurin had a team-high 27.8% target share.
49:33He could have – it could have been bigger.
49:36He nearly scored a couple of times. Remember, he had the one touchdown that was called back.
49:42And he sold my guy Antonio Williams, who threw an absolute beauty pass for a wide receiver.
49:47Malik Willis wishes he could throw a ball that well.
49:50That was beautiful. It had spin. It was off the back foot.
49:54It looked phenomenal. It had the air. It had height.
49:57But, no, Antonio Williams absolutely dropped a dime. And Terry McLaurin turned the wrong way and lost it and couldn't haul it in.
50:05So, there's two touchdowns on the board for Terry McLaurin.
50:08So, it could even have been an even bigger day.
50:11I think people are going to be down on this because they see the Mariota thing.
50:16I think that's where you get the opportunity to buy, especially because Terry McLaurin has had a bit of a slower start.
50:23I want to buy Terry McLaurin, but I want to know where you guys are.
50:28Well, Buck's been, I mean, team buy Terry all offseason, right?
50:32So, I'm curious to know if you've changed your tone at all.
50:35Yeah, yes and no. Like, I don't want to buy anymore because I don't think I can.
50:41I'm pretty sure he's like my most rostered player like across seasonal end redraft.
50:45Like, I think when I look at seasonal end dynasty, I think when I looked at my roster ship like a few
50:52weeks ago, I had 13 Terry teams. So, I'm kind of done buying him, but I don't know.
50:58Like, I don't, I'm not, my tone hasn't changed like too much on like what I think he can do the rest of the year.
51:06Like, I don't like that it's Mariota again. Like, I mean, if I knew it was Mariota two weeks ago, I would have a lot less for sure.
51:15But, I think it's, I think he's a good vet buy.
51:19I just, as far as like what I kind of thought it was going to be preseason, like kind of like drinking
51:26the Kool-Aid when they were talking about how the whole offense was going to be centered around him.
51:31Like, I don't think that's going to happen for a couple of reasons.
51:35One, I just, I don't know. Well, Jaden Daniels already said he doesn't want to run an offense around Terry.
51:42I know he's hurt, but he said that a few weeks ago that he's not going to force feed on the ball.
51:49He doesn't care to. That's not necessarily a great thing to hear.
51:53And I think Stefan Diggs is just a walking 1K until he's done playing.
51:57Like, I think whatever team he goes on, he's just going to have a thousand yards, you know, catch 90 balls until
52:04he just decides to hang it up completely. Like, say what you want about Diggs, but last year he played 50% of the snaps on the season.
52:13He had a thousand yards. He was the best, you know, best weapon for May and they should have just, honestly, should have just kept him, right?
52:22He had, it was 55% of the snaps I think he played as a season last year, a thousand yards.
52:28He tears his ACL with the Texans and he started that season, you know, pacing for another 1,200 yards.
52:34Like, he was just, he's just going to have a thousand until he's done.
52:39So, I think Diggs just matters a lot more to Terry than, I was going to say, than I give credit for,
52:46but he also was like a late signing, right?
52:48Like, we always thought, like, who's going to be next to Terry this season?
52:53It's going to be Ayuk, who hasn't played in two years, right?
52:57We just chalked that in. That's who it's going to be, right?
53:01And then Ayuk burned his last bridge he had.
53:03Ayuk did, for sure. Ayuk really chalked that in.
53:06Yeah. And then burned his last bridge he had and then it became Stefan Diggs.
53:11Like, I don't remember exactly when he signed, but like super late, right?
53:15It was late. Like, it was definitely like after, you know, it was like in August, right?
53:21So, I just think Diggs matters a lot more to Terry than most people want to give him credit for.
53:27And then maybe I gave credit for two weeks ago when I was drafting seasonal teams and didn't care as much.
53:34Like, he's just a target hog. Like, whether they're, you know, kind of tight end targets or whatever, like, he's just going
53:41to command a ton of volume because he's just really good.
53:44So, I think that kind of matters a lot more is the Diggs thing.
53:49Just matters a lot for Terry to me. Yeah, I think it was around August 5th, right?
53:54Yeah. It was like, yeah, first week of August.
53:57So, Diggs is one of those old ass wide receivers who is just really good at route running, right?
54:03Average separation score. Diggs is going to be just dominant and routing people up.
54:08The one thing that I say about Terry is like, he looks really good.
54:12Like, we have to keep in mind that he got the Quinion Mitchell special in week one.
54:18Week two, it did look really good. Thomas is trying to discredit Terry by saying he dropped the Antonio Williams throw.
54:24He did not. Antonio Williams turned the receiver all the way around, had to try to make him do a 360 to try to catch it.
54:33But... No? He twisted him around. But at this point, like, Terry does look good, right?
54:38Did Antonio Williams grab Terry McLaurin by the hand and pirouette him around in a circle?
54:43Or did Terry McLaurin just look over the wrong shoulder, perhaps?
54:46I don't know. It's a wide receiver throwing the ball.
54:50What more do you want him to do? I just want him to throw it on the inside shoulder, not the outside shoulder.
54:57That also might be the worst secondary in football, too, that he faced.
55:01It is. So, you know, some of this might be with a grain of salt.
55:06But I am saying that McLaurin looks really explosive.
55:09So we're talking about, obviously, Mariota coming in to play quarterback.
55:12But, like, would you guys have assumed that Terry McLaurin is actually top five in both yards after catch per reception and explosive percentage rate?
55:20Yeah, but he has, like, three catches, right? So it's like, how many catches does he have?
55:26It's just like, I don't know. He does have four catches on 13 targets.
55:30But the fact of the matter is, like I'm saying, he looks good.
55:34He looks fully recovered from, obviously, last year, which really held him back in the contract disputes.
55:40You keep on mentioning, like, Diggs potentially being a thorn in his side.
55:44But I think what Terry's been missing is, number one, he's been missing quarterback play and healthy quarterback play.
55:50And, number two, he's been missing a number two.
55:53He's had nobody. It's the same thing we're talking about with Jalen Coker and Ted McMillan.
55:58He's had nobody to kind of take some of the coverage away and help free him up and open him up.
56:05You know, you're talking about Diggs. They're not going to be able to just leave Diggs out on an island out there.
56:12They're going to have to roll coverage his way, which is going to give Terry more one-on-ones.
56:17And so, Mariota, say what you will about it.
56:20He's still mobile enough, but he's still going to try and throw and keep the offense on point.
56:26So, I do think Terry is a good buy-low vet for a contending team.
56:30Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I think the Terry thing, though, like, he's never going to be a guy that's going
56:37to blow you away in target share. He's never going to be a 30% target share guy at 27.
56:44Like, he's just, like, kind of is what he is, more in the, like, realm of, like, Amari Cooper, right, when it's,
56:51like, you know, 20%, 21% every year, 20%, then he finally breaks out.
56:55Like, I think Terry is just, like, pound for pound probably better than Amari Cooper, but I think they're kind of very similar.
57:02So, I think Terry needs a more efficient offense, means scoring more touchdowns, because he's just not going to get there by,
57:09you know, 12 targets a week, which, like, maybe we thought when they were talking that they were going to run the
57:16offense and give them 10 targets a week. But, like, challenge is probably going to be hard for Terry to get there,
57:23I think, especially when he's, like, a lot of weeks either going to be tied for targets on his team or even losing targets to Diggs.
57:31Because, like, also, the other thing with Diggs is, like, not even that, like, oh, he's outflying Terry.
57:37He just runs easier routes, too, than Terry as well.
57:40Like, he just, you know, easier for, like, you know, Marcus Mariota, too.
57:45So, I don't know. Like, I said, I hope it's good.
57:48Like, I don't think it's a bad buy, like, to throw a two at Terry McLaurin, like, or something like that.
57:55I think you probably could get him for a second.
57:58Even when he was, like, you know, super hot in the offseason, he was not worth much more than that anyway.
58:05So, I think he's a fine buy, but my expectations are just a little different, and I just kind of wish he had his quarterback.
58:13The touchdown argument is really valid because that's his biggest glow-up is obviously when he had double-digit touchdowns.
58:19He had 13 touchdowns. But, obviously, from a career standpoint, he's usually been right between four and five.
58:24Now, touchdowns are fluky, but, yeah, I don't expect this offense or this team to be very good.
58:30So, that would be a little bit of a thorn in Terry's side would be the touchdown upside capping his.
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59:37And what really sucks for me about Judkins is how high I was.
59:41He was one of, he was, I had him as my favorite pick in the fourth round.
59:47Now, I do want to add a caveat that he has had two of the toughest matchups possible for running backs over the first two weeks.
59:55Look at how freaking bad this is. This is nightmare fuel for me.
59:59Negative 52.5 rushing yards over expectations. In 2025, it was negative 137.2.
60:03A .13 miss tackles force in 2025. I've got the good and the bad here for Judkins Sunday.
60:09His 16.7% target share was the second highest of his career.
60:12We like that. His 34.3% route participation was his, his fourth best.
60:16We love that. The trend is even bigger than one game.
60:20His last four games going back to week 15 of 2025 are his four highest route shares ever.
60:25Keep in mind that's without really playing the two minute drill target share in that stretch is 14.5%, which would have him
60:33ranked around RB six last year target share in all his earlier games, 6% around 50%.
60:38Here's the catch Dylan Sampson. One of my favorite buys going into this season has missed that entire stretch.
60:44Now it can continue. Samson is on IR and the schedule gets easier.
60:48Carolina. I don't think verse Pittsburgh gets too much easier.
60:51I believe they're the number one ranked defense in the NFL right now.
60:55And then of course, uh, the New York football bumbling jets.
60:59Here's, here's a concern. The running game, non-existent, uh, top seven against the run last year, the first two games, the defenses he's played.
61:06So this is a little bit expected, but 2.25 yards per carry, a 37.5 for six, uh, success rate.
61:13Uh, that ranks in the bottom two of 31 qualified running backs.
61:16It's very hard. This is like extreme O'Meary and Hampton, right?
61:20Where they do not seem to be willing to give him two minute drill stuff.
61:25That's going to rocket Sanders. For some reason we're doing the rocket Sanders thing.
61:29So God, he's a 20, 27 play for me specifically.
61:32He was really going into this year. I didn't expect this offense to do much.
61:37The offense has juice and he hasn't. Uh, I believed in the talent.
61:41I don't, I don't know. Walk me through it.
61:44Cause I w I want out. I want to be able to sit here and tell you guys confidently that I'm, I'm
61:51going to hold, but I want to hit the panic ejector seat button.
61:55He's also coming off of a shattered leg. Like people, and it's the Cleveland Browns.
62:00Like no one runs, no one runs behind that line, but he did.
62:04He had an injury last year that we thought he wasn't going to play until 2028 when, when he had the injury.
62:11And then he was just back in camp and running around and it's like, Oh, it's Quinshawn Jenkins again.
62:17Cause he looks like same thing we did with Malik neighbors, right?
62:21Oh, it looks like Malik neighbors out there. It's probably fine.
62:25Then they play in there. They're not fine. Like it's all, it's always a year after the year.
62:31Like I was fine, you know, drafting Judkins where he was like, I think he is a better talent profile and a better player than Amari on Hampton.
62:39And I said that last year when we were doing the rookie drafts, you know, like, and I didn't think they should
62:47have been so far apart based on their rookie seasons, but Judkins in a, is in hell of a situation.
62:53And he's like, he's probably just not a hundred percent right.
62:56Like that was a really bad injury. Like he had ankle surgery, you know, he just dodged, you know, knee surgery.
63:03He still had, you know, he has a surgery of a period ankle.
63:07Like he, he had the scadaboo injury, but like worse than that too.
63:11Like it was, it was a real injury. Like just think about where we were when that happened.
63:17Like we thought he was going to miss the rest of last year and all of this year.
63:23So, so I think like, I think he deserves a little bit of grace.
63:27The fact that this dude is like, you know, you know, coming off of, you know, he had a massive injury.
63:34It's just like, people look at injuries. Like if it was ACL or it wasn't that that's, that's major injury.
63:41Oh, he either had an ACL tear or he didn't, or he tore his Achilles.
63:45Those two are major injuries. Everything else isn't. It's like, no, I mean, this dude, like leg was bent, you know, the other way.
63:53So I think, I think he's probably just going to be bad all year, efficiency wise.
63:58And like next year he should be able to be good.
64:02Cause I think he, I think he's really talented.
64:05I always thought he was the better Ohio state back to it with Travion.
64:09They played together. So I'm still really into the talent, but I think it's going to be a rough go all season for him.
64:17He's a perfect rebuilder piece then. What do you think?
64:20Yeah, no, I'm, I'm right there with you. I think we need to temper expectations, man.
64:25If you were buying Judkins, you needed to fully go in that this was potentially a rental year.
64:31Like this was, this was not something that you shouldn't have been relying on him to be like an RB one or anything.
64:38And if you drafted it that way, I don't mean any disrespect, but that's on you.
64:43Like you got to, you, if you're drafting these plays, you have to draft with contingency plans in place.
64:49And so, you know, just thinking about last year, right?
64:53So Ashton Gentry, right? We, a lot of people almost started throwing in the towel on Ashton Gentry because of the abysmal Raiders offense that he was playing.
65:02Well, some of those statistics that Gentry was dealing with was an abysmal offensive line, right?
65:07He couldn't get any yards before he was being contacted.
65:10You'd get the ball and you'd immediately just get hit.
65:13And so last year, you know, Gentry actually had like 1.28 yards before contact per attempt as an average for the season.
65:20He had a few games where he had like two yards, like week four, week five.
65:25My point is our boy Judkins is at 0.83.
65:28Okay. Okay. Not even a full yard before he's getting smacked in the face.
65:33Okay. Why? Why? Because nobody respects Deshaun Watson. Nobody is threatened by the Cleveland Browns.
65:37Nobody, nobody is worried about Deshaun passing it over the top of them.
65:41A couple of the big Browns, big plays have come from busted, you know, broken tackles and busted plays where there's like no safeties deep.
65:49So as soon as like Denzel Boston breaks the tackle, there ain't nobody deep to defend him because they're all like, you guys are baseball people.
65:58You know, when you used to be able to suck up in the infield.
66:02All right. That's what everybody's doing against, against, uh, against the Browns right now.
66:07Okay. So like that pause, giant, massive pause needed on that.
66:10That is a generational pause. Skipping past it. My point is, is that you just, again, let's temporary expectations on Judkins.
66:17I am right there with you from, you know, talking about the broken leg, the injuries, all of that stuff.
66:23He's not quite the same player. He's not breaking tackles.
66:27He's not being able to make more out of what's given to him right now.
66:31He's only at a 0.08, you know, miss tackles force per attempt, but with comfortability, with healing, like that stuff is going
66:38to kind of rear its ear, its ugly head.
66:41So I am very much thinking that if, if there's a discount on him, you should go.
66:47I'd be willing to go pay it. He's kind of like damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?
66:53Like he would be, he would be holding more value if he just was on IR right now.
66:59Like, Oh, he'll come back in week five. Like he's doing more of a disservice from coming back from the injury and like actually playing.
67:07Like again, like neighbors too. It's like, if he just started on early season IR, like he would, he would be, people
67:14would still be treating him the same way. Like, and we can make a case of how he looked.
67:20He probably should have, you know, started on IR, but surely all the stuff you said about their offense and Deshaun Watson,
67:27surely number six in Tampa Bay, you know, took care of him though.
67:31Sure. It always comes back to Baker Mayfield. I will say, I'm more with you guys, but I will say on a
67:38contending team, I'm okay moving off, but it just depends on like, where are you moving off to?
67:44I guess you guys said out on the Swift and the Javante tiers of players.
67:49Etienne's been off to a really bad start. It's almost like Alvin Kamara came back and took away some of the Dinkin duck path.
67:56Regardless, if you could, what if you got a one on top of Etienne knowing that it's not going to be that
68:04bad for the rest of the year? Cause it's not with Etienne.
68:07Cause that's probably where you have to go. You're not going to, you're not going to get to go up to Javante.
68:14You're not going to get to go up to Swift more than likely.
68:19So is, is that a route you're taking if you get the one or are you just not?
68:24If you're a contending team, you're just willing to hold that six points on your bench.
68:29I would hold. Yeah. Yeah. I'm holding because I know the value is going to be greater.
68:35Even if it's not this year, it'll be greater potentially even in a few months in the off season because again, like what about Cuba Hubbard?
68:43No, no, just can't. Like RB twos at the grand scheme, like they don't really matter.
68:48Right. Like they just don't. So. But you're okay.
68:51All right. As I said, you're holding like an RB five.
68:55I know, but if you're, if you're trading him for like, you know, like those other guys you talked about, they're gonna be in the RB twenties, right?
69:04Like Judkins is another case of a player where it's like when this season ends, even if it's, you know, dog shit,
69:11he's going to be a, of two rounds higher than all those players we mentioned in startups.
69:16And I think we just have to look at that.
69:19Like as soon as the year ends regard, like Javante can go crazy.
69:23The rest of the season be RB 10. Like he's still not going to out value Judkins by March.
69:30Right. So it's like, I hate, I hate doing trades like that, that are just like in the short term and the
69:37longterm, you know, you're going to get fried on them.
69:40And if you do trades like that, like if you do the Chuba trade, like you have to be sure, like you have to be confident.
69:48Chuba is going to be RB nine the rest of the year.
69:52Like if you think that sure do it. But if Chuba is like the RB 16 and he's a cool pick, he's
69:59a cool pick for how you got Chuba. Right.
70:02It's just the same thing with Jalen Coker. It's really cool getting Chuba when we got him and how we bought him, you know, 10 days ago.
70:10But if I have to give up like Judkins to get them, like, it's kind of like, I'm like, it's like, you
70:18know, biting off your, like, I don't know, cutting off your nose to spite your face at that point.
70:24So you're not really getting anything for it. So I still like think Judkins is a dynasty asset, just like laps all those guys by a lot.
70:32And I don't want to give it up for, if I get 12 points out of those guys, like I'm pissed.
70:39I also feel like with, with Judkins, if I'm a, if I have a team that's contender and has Judkins on the
70:46roster, then I'm probably moving like a pick and a, and a, and a bench player to try to get RB two
70:53points rather than moving off of Judkins. To your point, I'd rather just sit on, sit on my bench.
70:59And then, you know, who can I'm like, can I put like Romeo Dobbs in a second and go get a Chuba?
71:06That might even be a little bit of an overpay, but like, that's kind of the tier that I would be looking
71:13to go in rather than moving off of Judkins.
71:16When ideally he'll help me towards a championship next year.
71:19It's also week two, right? So like you hold Judkins and like, you wait to see who, like everyone thinks they're a contender right now, right?
71:28Everybody looks great now. Everyone thinks they're fine. So it's like in week six, if you're true, if you're truly, if you're
71:35truly a contender, like there's difference between real two and O teams and there's O and two teams that are going to like, whatever.
71:42Right. So if you have Judkins now and you think you're a contender, like just wait and see the fake contenders and
71:49like wait till the, one of those teams aren't good anymore in five weeks.
71:54And they might have Jonathan Taylor or something. You just go add, you know, to your Judkins.
71:59Like, I don't know, like we could say like, oh, if you're a contender and you have Judkins, like, I don't know,
72:06you might not actually be a contender. So let's just like, hold on a few weeks.
72:11So hold on a few weeks first. It's funny you mentioned that book.
72:16Cause I went to look at a potential contender where I have Judkins and my other two running backs are David Montgomery, Chuba Hubbard.
72:23So it's like, how long is this going to be a contender?
72:27That's a great, that's a great point. That sounds great.
72:30You're rich. That's hello. That's hello. All right. All right.
72:33We got to get out here, but it, it is important to ask those questions.
72:38And I'm asking these questions, uh, from the perspective of fantasy managers that are sitting there at home, frustrated, looking at the
72:45game scores, wondering where all their points are. So it's important for us to ask these questions and ask these questions for
72:52everyone wondering and kind of do the round table and the back and forth and, and circulate back to where we're at.
72:59By the way, I, I didn't even look at this ahead of time.
73:04Saquon Barkley and Malik Washington for Quinshon Judkins at a 27 one.
73:07So that is exactly where we're at, where we are at.
73:11Oh, it's the other way around. Nevermind. Give me that.
73:14Give me that. You're getting the one easy. I had it wrong.
73:18Rishi rice for Junkins. Like get rice off my team, please.
73:21Stefan digs for Junkins. All right. Yeah. I'm not doing that.
73:25I would take rice over Junkins. You're a sick degenerate human being.
73:29I don't want Rishi rice at all on my rosters.
73:32Don't steer people that way. Right. Hey, he's just, he has only played against like, he's a zone beater.
73:38He lost his role to Xavier worthy. Not really.
73:41He's a zone beater though. Like he, he, he's a zone beater.
73:45Like they played two man matchups. He's his own beater.
73:48He's the new juju. Just like when he was in, in Kansas city, I'll take her.
73:53She rice over, over Junkins, like for sure. I don't even like Junkins.
73:57And one for three or one and a three.
74:00Um, yeah, he's definitely available. Eli Stowers in a two.
74:03Oh, there's a one in that one. Interesting prices.
74:0627 one. So the price doesn't even dip that far on Junkins.
74:10So interesting. It's good to have these conversations. We, uh, a lot of these players are just based off of players were
74:17asked about a lot in the fantasy points discord where I mentioned that you can join that in the link in the description is nice to be back.
74:26It's nice to ask these questions and ask it in from the eyes of fantasy managers and kind of get around table
74:33on buying and selling how things have been going.
74:36So let us know, who are you excited about?
74:39Who is the bounce back player that you are into?
74:42Who are a player that you are buying and or selling heading out of week two and into week three?
74:48Um, great episode. Nice to have Buck back. Thanks for watching.
74:52Thanks for tuning in. Remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose.
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