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Buy Bryce Young & Jalen Coker | Is Quinshon Judkins a Sell? 2026

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1 hr 16 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Sep 25, 2026
Published
Fri, September 25, 2026
76
Player insights
45
Players mentioned
Topics
Jalen CokerJosh DownsBryce YoungQuinshon JudkinsColston LovelandParker WashingtonStefon DiggsTerry McLaurinChuba HubbardDarius SlaytonJaylen WaddleTyler WarrenA.J. BrownAdam Thielen
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A.J. Brown

NegativeInjury26:45

A.J. Brown is dealing with a high ankle sprain that will sideline him for six to eight weeks. The source characterizes this injury as worse than an ACL for fantasy purposes because the player will be forced to play while compromised and perform poorly. At age 30, this injury is viewed as season-ending in practical terms for fantasy value.

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Adam Thielen

PositiveProjection33:54

Adam Thielen produced 110 receptions and 1,200 receiving yards in his age-34 season while playing with rookie Bryce Young, demonstrating that Young can support productive slot-type receivers despite his overall struggles as a passer.

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Adonai Mitchell

NegativeProjection17:00

Adonai Mitchell, Josh Downs' former teammate, is not viewed as a real player by the source despite recording 12 targets in a recent game. The source suggests Mitchell will average around 11 points per game and would require paying an eight-point price on him versus a 15-point price on Downs for similar production, making him an inferior option.

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Alec Pierce

NegativeInjury18:00

Alec Pierce is missing significant time, which has opened the door for Josh Downs to get an immediate boost in opportunity. The source notes Pierce's absence is not good for the Colts' receiving corps depth.

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Alvin Kamara

PositiveRole67:27

Kamara's return has taken away receiving work from Travis Etienne, indicating that Kamara is reclaiming his role in the Saints offense. This suggests Kamara is healthy and back to being a featured player.

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Baker Mayfield

PositiveMatchup67:07

Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been effective in the passing game, which has helped their running backs. The source notes that 'it always comes back to Baker Mayfield,' suggesting that Mayfield's competent play has created better opportunities for the Buccaneers' offense compared to the Browns' Deshaun Watson.

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Bryce Young

NegativeProjection33:37

Bryce Young's accuracy metrics remain concerning despite recent passing volume improvements. His catchable throw rate sits at 65.8% (9th percentile), and he ranks 30th in the league in accuracy, indicating that his accuracy has actually worsened despite the higher passing yard totals.

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PositiveProjection33:54

Bryce Young has shown recent improvement in passing volume, posting back-to-back games with over 250 passing yards after previously struggling to reach 200 yards. This represents a positive trend in his offensive output, though accuracy concerns remain.

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PositiveProjection42:29

The source frames Bryce Young as an underrated asset with a high ceiling, comparing his cerebral quarterback abilities to Luka Doncic's supercomputer-like processing in the NBA. Despite early talent concerns about arm strength, Young is locked into starting for the next couple of years and will receive a $200 million contract. His pre-snap reads, defense recognition, and check-calling ability—traits Aaron Rodgers has praised in Dak Prescott—position him for long-term NFL viability. The source expects Young to improve significantly as the game slows down for him, similar to how Jared Goff went from being considered done after his final Rams year to becoming a productive starter in Detroit. Young's cerebral processing is cited as the reason for his recent "glow up" and why the source is buying him despite current market skepticism.

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PositiveValue45:50

The source is buying Bryce Young in dynasty, viewing him as a value acquisition in multiple trade scenarios. Young is preferred over Justin Herbert (source notes Herbert's performance is "terrible" and "bad"), over Tyler Shuck and Nicholas Singleton, and over Carson Beck in a one-for-one. The source emphasizes Young's "runway for multiple years in the league is more solidified or safer" than competing quarterback options, and suggests he could potentially outscore Herbert by season's end despite not yet jumping him in head-to-head value.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeRole8:00

Tampa Bay has placed Bucky Irving on a pitch count due to the grueling nature of the running back position and the long season ahead. Irving was playing 73% of snaps in week two. However, the source expresses skepticism of Todd Bowles' statements about running backs, noting Bowles frequently makes such comments that don't materialize. Irving was reported dead in camp a month ago but is now back and contributing, though the pitch count suggests Tampa is managing his workload carefully.

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Carson Beck

NegativeValue48:50

Carson Beck is not preferred over Bryce Young in a one-for-one trade scenario. The source states "That's Bryce so easily for me" when choosing between Young and Beck, indicating a clear preference for Young's value.

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Chuba Hubbard

PositiveValue48:04

The source prefers Chuba Hubbard over Tyler Shuck and Nicholas Singleton in a trade scenario, pairing him with Bryce Young. Hubbard is described as "an actual asset" with established fantasy value, contrasted with Singleton who is dismissed as "not a real player." The source emphasizes Hubbard's proven role and production history.

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PositiveValue69:40

The source recently acquired Chuba Hubbard and is satisfied with the buy. However, the source emphasizes that Hubbard's value is not worth trading away Judkins for, as Judkins will significantly outvalue Hubbard in dynasty formats long-term. Hubbard is a cool short-term pickup but not a reason to move off a foundational dynasty asset.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeRole18:00

Colson Loveland is mentioned in comparison to Tyler Warren, with the source defending having both players in the same tier based on their usage and targets.

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PositiveValue27:48

Colton Loveland has become cheaper in dynasty markets following his first two weeks of the season. The source notes that Loveland was included in a trade (Dontavian Wicks and Colton Loveland in a two for a 2027 first and Josh Downs), suggesting his value has declined but may represent a buying opportunity.

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NegativeValue28:16

Colton Loveland's price has dropped significantly in the market; the source notes he has gotten cheap, particularly after the first two weeks of the season.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeRole2:00

Sutton is struggling in Denver's offense, receiving only 15% target share and 17% air yards in week two. The source describes him as looking washed and at best a possession receiver or jump-ball merchant in the red zone, with the pecking order now clearly defined as Waddle, Sutton, then Pat Bryant (soon to be Bryant over Sutton). Sutton was a fade throughout draft season and the role definition now confirms those concerns.

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D'Andre Swift

NegativeValue67:20

The source mentions Swift as a tier of player that contending teams might trade Judkins for, but argues against it. Swift is not worth giving up Judkins for in a dynasty trade, as Judkins will be drafted significantly higher in 2025 startups.

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Dalton Kincaid

PositiveBreakout46:04

The source views Dalton Kincaid as a breakout candidate following increased playing time. Kincaid "should be a top five tight end rest of the season" and "probably maybe be like the tight end two rest of the season, just in seasonal." The source notes "Dalton Kincaid's always been good. He just needed to play more. Now he's playing more and we see the production." The Kincaid breakout is cited as a reason to prefer Young and Kincaid over other trade options.

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Daniel Jones

NegativeProjection20:00

Daniel Jones is performing poorly for the Giants, ranking 29th in EPA per drop back, 30th in completion percentage over expectation, 28th in yards per attempt, and 28th in adjusted net yards. The source notes his abysmal play is a major concern for Josh Downs' long-term viability, as there is room for growth post-injury but currently the offense is just so bad.

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Darius Slayton

NegativeRole18:00

The Giants signed Darius Slayton to fill the Alec Pierce role vacated by Pierce's injury. The source dismissively refers to Slayton as Buck's favorite not-real player, suggesting skepticism about his ability to meaningfully contribute.

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NegativeRole22:35

Darius Slayton is unlikely to significantly impact the Giants' downfield passing game despite his relationship with Daniel Jones; the source characterizes him as a player who 'stinks' and 'can't catch,' runs far on routes, and will have only a couple of good games; he's described as an Alec Pierce-type player not worth roster consideration, making him almost not worth discussing in fantasy contexts.

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David Montgomery

NegativeRole63:43

The source mentions Montgomery as one of his running backs on a contending team alongside Judkins and Chuba Hubbard. The source questions how long this team will remain a contender given the composition of the backfield.

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Denzel Boston

PositiveUsage64:01

Boston has been involved in some of the Browns' big plays this season, often coming from broken tackles and busted plays where there are no safeties deep. This suggests he's getting opportunities in the passing game, though the Browns' overall offensive struggles limit his ceiling.

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Deshaun Watson

NegativeMatchup63:53

The Cleveland Browns' passing game is ineffective, which directly impacts Judkins' running game. Nobody respects Watson's passing ability or fears the Browns' offense, so defenses are stacking the box and playing run-heavy looks. This is why Judkins is getting hit immediately at the line of scrimmage with only 0.83 yards before contact per attempt.

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Eli Stowers

NegativeValue65:14

Eli Stowers was mentioned in a trade scenario involving a 1:2 price, but no specific fantasy take or analysis was provided about his value or role.

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Gunnar Helm

NegativeValue25:58

Gunner Helm is viewed unfavorably in trade value comparisons. The source would take Josh Downs over Helm in a straight swap, indicating Helm is less desirable as a dynasty asset.

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Jake Ferguson

NegativeValue27:01

Jake Ferguson was included in a notable dynasty trade alongside A.J. Brown (A.J. Brown and Jake Ferguson for Josh Downs, a first, and a second). The source would prefer the Downs side of this trade, suggesting Ferguson's value is secondary to the broader trade dynamics.

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Jalen Coker

PositiveUsage28:07

Coker's usage has been elite with a .38 expected fantasy points per team play, ranking top six among players at every position; only CeeDee Lamb is higher among wide receivers. Season to date, he leads the team in first read targets with seven in week two and ranks top 16 among wide receivers in first read target share at 29.5%; he's also top three in red zone targets with five, behind only JSN and Amon Ra St. Brown.

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PositiveProjection29:18

Over the last 10 games including playoffs, Coker has outperformed Ted Roa McMillan in yards per route run (2.25 vs. 2.0) and DraftKings fantasy points (16.1 vs. 13.8), though McMillan edges him slightly in expected fantasy points per game (13.5 vs. 13.2). The source views Coker as a legitimate breakout asset comparable to Parker Washington's late-season emergence, with similar production trajectory and playoff performance.

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NegativeValue30:25

The source is bullish on Coker's value relative to Parker Washington, arguing they are the same type of asset and should be valued similarly. However, Washington commands a first-round pick in trades while Coker does not currently. The source would not sell Coker for less than a first but acknowledges that buying him at current market price is difficult; the recommendation is to avoid chasing Coker if you missed out and instead find the next comparable breakout.

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NegativeValue31:26

The source advises against chasing Jalen Coker in trades if you missed the initial hype; the cost to acquire him now is likely too high relative to his remaining upside. The recommendation is to find the next breakout prospect rather than overpay for a popular name after the blow-up has already occurred.

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PositiveRole32:57

Jalen Coker's recent production surge is partly attributable to defenses bracketing and covering Tett McMillan, which opens up one-on-one opportunities for Coker. His role has expanded as a result of McMillan's defensive demand, creating more favorable matchups for Coker downfield.

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PositiveRole33:00

Jalen Coker has always been a talented athlete from a small-school background who catches the ball well and shows strong after-the-catch ability. His recent development reflects improved route-running precision and depth—he was previously running incorrect route depths and slants, but has now refined his technical game, which explains his emergence as a consistent target.

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NegativeProjection33:18

While Jalen Coker's recent performance looks strong, the source questions sustainability because of concerns about Bryce Young's consistency. Young has posted back-to-back 250+ yard passing games after struggling to reach 200 yards earlier, but his accuracy metrics remain poor (65.8% catchable throw rate, 9th percentile accuracy, 30th in the league), suggesting the elevated passing volume may not be reliable long-term.

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PositiveRole33:54

Bryce Young has historically thrived with slot-type receivers and players positioned closer to the line of scrimmage, similar to Jalen Coker's profile. Young's success with Adam Thielen (110 rec, 1,200 yards in Thielen's age-34 season with rookie Young) demonstrates that Young can support productive slot receivers, suggesting Coker's role is well-suited to Young's strengths.

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PositiveValue69:40

The source recently bought Jalen Coker and is pleased with the acquisition. However, the source cautions against trading Judkins to acquire Coker, as Judkins' long-term dynasty value is significantly higher. Coker is a good short-term pickup but not worth giving up a foundational dynasty asset like Judkins.

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Jared Goff

PositiveProjection43:07

The source uses Jared Goff as a historical comparison for Bryce Young's trajectory. Goff was considered done after his final year with the Rams and first year with the Lions, yet improved dramatically through extended playing time. In his first year in Detroit, Goff was worth only a second-round pick in Dynasty and people were selling him despite the Lions drafting Hendon Hooker as a potential replacement. The source argues that extended starting opportunities allowed Goff to develop into a significantly better quarterback, suggesting similar upside for Young.

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Javonte Williams

NegativeValue63:39

The source mentions Javante Williams as a tier of player that contending teams might trade Judkins for, but argues against it. Even if Williams finishes as an RB10 for the rest of the season, he won't outvalue Judkins by March in dynasty formats, making any trade unfavorable.

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Jayden Daniels

NegativeRole51:35

Jaden Daniels has stated he does not want to run an offense centered around Terry McLaurin and does not care to force-feed him the ball, which the source characterizes as 'not necessarily a great thing to hear' for McLaurin's fantasy outlook despite preseason expectations of an offense built around him.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveRole2:00

After a quiet week one, Waddle bounced back with 8 catches for 138 yards against Jacksonville, commanding 32% target share and 54% of air yards. The source notes Denver's offense ran through him with a true Joker role—moved all over the formation, into the slot, and on motion pre-snap—with Davis Webb finally unleashing him to the degree intended. Cortland Sutton, by contrast, is struggling with only 15% target share and 17% air yards, described as looking like a shell of himself.

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PositiveValue4:00

The source values Waddle at approximately a mid-first round pick for the rest of the year, comparable to T Higgins and DeVante Smith (his draft cohort). At 28 years old entering year six/seven, the source would not pay significantly more than a first, suggesting Omar Cooper plus a first as baseline trade value. However, the source notes Waddle's analytics have always been superior to his draft peers, and he now operates on his team alone without competition.

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Josh Downs

PositiveRole18:00

Josh Downs has emerged as a must-buy player after running 85% of routes against Kansas City, catching 7 of 9 targets for 72 yards and looking electric on film. He has never run over 80% routes in back-to-back games before, but has now done so in 2025. He leads the team in targets and has a 21% target share with 28.3% of air yards. His separation score and win rate are fantastic, and he displays explosive yards-after-catch ability. However, the Colts' passing offense looks poor overall, and Downs has never been a full-time player before this opportunity.

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NegativeProjection20:00

The source remains skeptical of Josh Downs despite his recent performance, questioning whether this is the sell window given Daniel Jones' abysmal play (29th in EPA per drop back, 30th in completion percentage over expectation, 28th in yards per attempt, 28th in adjusted net yards). While Downs is violent and explosive on tape, the source worries about his durability given his aggressive after-the-catch style and whether he can stay healthy with increased exposure. The Colts' passing offense looks poor overall.

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NegativeRole21:21

Downs has increased exposure in the Giants offense and is likely to be used as a legitimate wide receiver one for a four to six week window; he runs violent routes after the catch and plays bigger than his size, though injury risk exists if he continues that aggressive style; Daniel Jones' abysmal statistics (29th EPA per drop back, 30th completion percentage over expectation, 28th yards per attempt, 28th adjusted net yards) mean Downs will operate primarily in short and intermediate routes alongside Jonathan Taylor, with downfield targets possible despite pressure issues.

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PositiveBreakout23:00

The source is a perpetual Josh Downs buyer who believes he can play at a high level; if Downs scores points this year, he projects as a 15 point per game player and would command a fifth to sixth round startup ADP next year, a significant jump from his current draft capital, making him a potential breakout candidate with trade value upside.

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PositiveValue24:46

Josh Downs is viewed as a strong value target in dynasty trades. The source prefers Downs over Gunner Helm and Stribbling in straight swaps, and would take Downs over a 2028 first-round pick. In a notable trade comparison, the source would take Downs plus a first and second over A.J. Brown and Jake Ferguson, and would also prefer Downs straight up over A.J. Brown despite Brown's veteran status. The source indicates Downs has become a preferred asset in the current market.

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NegativeRole28:09

Josh Downs is mentioned alongside Dontavian Wicks and Colton Loveland as part of a discussion about players with uncertain roles and valuations; the source previously stated uncertainty about how to rank Downs and where to place him in dynasty rankings.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeProjection47:02

The source has abandoned its Justin Herbert "truther" position, stating "I have turned in my Justin Herbert truther card." Herbert's performance is characterized as "terrible" and "bad," and "he's not even like being the fun bad anymore." The source suggests Bryce Young will likely outscore Herbert and could potentially jump him in value by season's end, indicating a significant downgrade in Herbert's outlook.

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Malik Washington

PositiveValue65:04

In a trade scenario, Malik Washington and Saquon Barkley were offered for Quinshon Judkins at a 2:7:1 price. The source indicated this is a favorable deal for the Judkins owner.

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Nicholas Singleton

NegativeRole48:24

Nicholas Singleton is dismissed as "not a real player" in comparison to Chuba Hubbard. The source contrasts Singleton's lack of established role with Hubbard's proven asset status, suggesting Singleton lacks the fantasy credibility or production history to be considered a viable dynasty asset.

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Nico Collins

PositiveValue14:00

Nico Collins is mentioned as a potential trade target who is currently hurt and did not play last week. The source suggests trying to trade for Collins before having to pay close to two firsts for Waddle, as Collins could score similarly when healthy and might be available at a discount due to injury.

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Omarion Hampton

PositiveValue8:00

Hampton was a second-round NFL draft pick and around a one-to-two seasonal pick in dynasty. The source believes Hampton holds significant value despite questioning his talent level. In a trade comparison (Waddle + Hampton for Flowers + Irving), the source suggests taking the Hampton side because you can get two firsts for Hampton versus barely a first for Irving, making it a legitimate value gain. Hampton is noted as potentially being misused, raising the question of what happens if he gets proper usage.

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Parker Washington

NegativeValue30:00

Parker Washington is positioned as a comparable asset to Jalen Coker; both players broke out late in the previous season with strong playoff performances. However, Washington has commanded significantly higher trade value, requiring a first-round pick, while Coker does not. The source views them as the same type of player but notes the market has valued Washington much higher despite similar production trajectories.

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NegativeValue32:00

Parker Washington's hype has escalated to the point where some traders were willing to give up 2026 draft picks (107s, 108s) to acquire him. The source suggests the window to acquire him at reasonable value has closed, and chasing him now would result in overpaying for an already-popular name.

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PositiveRole32:17

Parker Washington has established himself as the clear number-one receiver on his team, distinguishing him from Jalen Coker. While Coker may be receiving some early targets, Parker has solidified his position as the primary option, giving him a more secure role going forward.

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Pat Bryant

NegativeDepth Chart2:00

Pat Bryant is third in Denver's receiving pecking order behind Jalen Waddle and Cortland Sutton. The source notes that Bryant is soon to move ahead of Sutton in the depth chart as Sutton continues to struggle.

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Quinshon Judkins

PositiveRole63:41

The source believes Judkins' long-term role and talent are intact despite this season's struggles. He was always considered the better Ohio State back compared to Travion Henderson, and with time and healing, his tackle-breaking and evasion ability should return. The source is 'very much thinking that if there's a discount on him, you should go pay it' in dynasty leagues.

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NegativeInjury63:41

Suffered a broken leg injury that has impacted his efficiency and tackle-breaking ability; he's not the same player post-injury and is struggling to make more out of what's given to him. He's currently at 0.83 yards before contact per attempt (compared to Ashton Gentry's 1.28 last year) and only 0.08 missed tackles forced per attempt, indicating he's not breaking tackles or evading defenders as he did pre-injury.

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NegativeProjection63:41

Expected to have a rough efficiency year due to injury recovery, though the source believes he's talented and should be able to perform well next year. The source tempers expectations for 2024, noting that if you drafted Judkins expecting him to be an RB1 this season, that's on you—he should have been viewed as a potential rental year and rebuilder piece.

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PositiveValue64:09

Despite poor 2024 performance, Judkins remains a strong dynasty asset with significant long-term value. The source argues that even if Judkins has a poor season, he will still be drafted 2+ rounds higher than comparable RBs like Javante Williams, D'Andre Swift, or Chuba Hubbard in 2025 startups. If you're a contending team with Judkins, hold him rather than trading him for short-term RB help, as his dynasty value will far exceed what you'd get in return.

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Rashee Rice

NegativeRole63:38

Rice has lost his role to Xavier Worthy and is being phased out of the Kansas City offense. The source describes Rice as a 'zone beater' but notes that he's no longer the primary option. One the source on the call wants Rice off their rosters entirely, calling him 'the new juju' in a negative context.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeRole45:45

The source briefly mentions Sam Darnold in the context of a trade chart discussion, noting that Buck refuses to acknowledge Darnold as a viable asset. The comment suggests Darnold is undervalued or overlooked in trade discussions, though the source does not elaborate on specific reasoning or role details.

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Saquon Barkley

PositiveValue65:04

In a trade scenario, Saquon Barkley and Malik Washington were offered for Quinshon Judkins at a 2:7:1 price. The source initially misread the trade but then corrected it, indicating that getting Barkley and Washington for Judkins is a favorable deal worth considering.

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Stefon Diggs

PositiveValue18:00

Stefon Diggs is mentioned as an aging veteran option who still scores points and could be acquired as an alternative to paying premium prices for younger players like Waddle. The source suggests going after Diggs as a more cost-effective option.

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PositiveProjection51:53

The source projects Stefon Diggs as a 'walking 1K' receiver who will consistently produce 1,000+ yards regardless of team context. Evidence: last season with the Ravens he played 55% of snaps and had 1,000 yards; with the Texans he tore his ACL but was pacing for 1,200 yards. The source views Diggs as a durable, high-floor weapon who will maintain elite production until retirement, and notes his presence significantly impacts Terry McLaurin's target share and role.

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PositiveRole52:34

Diggs signed in early August as a late addition to the Commanders and is a dominant route runner with average separation score who will command significant volume as a target hog. The source argues Diggs matters far more to Terry McLaurin's fantasy outlook than most analysts credit: he forces defenses to respect another elite receiver, preventing them from leaving coverage on McLaurin alone, which should free up McLaurin downfield and increase his efficiency despite potentially reducing his raw target share.

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Terry McLaurin

PositiveValue49:11

The source is buying Terry McLaurin despite Mariota concerns, citing his 3.38 yards per route run with Mariota since last season (WR3 rank over that span) and 27.8% target share in Mariota's half-game start. McLaurin had two near-touchdowns (one called back, one dropped by Antonio Williams), suggesting upside beyond current production. The source views the Mariota narrative as an opportunity to acquire McLaurin at a discount given his slower start, though acknowledges preseason expectations of an offense centered around him may not materialize.

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NegativeValue49:14

The source is buying Terry McLaurin despite concerns about Marcus Mariota as his quarterback. With Mariota on the field since the start of last season, McLaurin has averaged 3.38 yards per route run, which would rank as wide receiver three over that span. This production level supports McLaurin's value despite the Mariota concern.

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PositiveProjection54:08

McLaurin looks fully recovered from last year's injury issues and is displaying elite efficiency early: top five in both yards after catch per reception and explosive percentage rate on four catches from 13 targets through two weeks. The source emphasizes he's been missing healthy quarterback play and a legitimate number two receiver to take coverage away; Stefan Diggs' late August signing addresses the latter need by forcing defenses to respect another elite route runner, which should open up McLaurin downfield rather than limit him.

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Travis Etienne

NegativeRole67:27

Etienne has had a really bad start to the season. His role has been diminished since Alvin Kamara returned, taking away some of the 'Dinkin duck path' (receiving work) that Etienne had been getting. This limits his upside for the rest of the season.

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Tyler Warren

NegativeRole18:00

Tyler Warren is not being used as the source would prefer, with the team seemingly unwilling to use him anywhere but the flat. The source was ready to defend Warren's tier placement alongside Colson Loveland but acknowledges the limited usage pattern.

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PositiveRole22:05

Tyler Warren's fantasy value is being crippled by Josh Downs' increased usage in short and intermediate routes in the Giants offense; Downs' role expansion limits Warren's target opportunities in the passing game.

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Xavier Worthy

PositiveRole63:58

Worthy has taken over the primary role in the Kansas City offense, displacing Rashee Rice. This indicates Worthy is the preferred receiver in the Chiefs' passing game.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveValue8:00

The source ranks Zay Flowers at 11 in dynasty rankings, ahead of Jalen Waddle. In a trade scenario (Waddle + Hampton for Flowers + Irving), the source prefers the Flowers side, believing Flowers and Waddle project similarly but that the value differential between Irving and Hampton favors taking Flowers. The source suggests Flowers could score the same or better than Hampton while offering better value at the wide receiver position.

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1:54Now that the Company Man stuff is officially out of the way, we are recording this game during the Falcons-Packers game.
2:01We'll be doing our best to stay focused on task.
2:04This is Jalen Waddle. We now have a clear defined 1-2-3 in terms of the pecking order.
2:10It is Waddle, Cortland Sutton and then Pat Bryant.
2:12Soon to be Pat Bryant over Cortland Sutton. Cortland Sutton looks washed.
2:16But let's talk about Waddle bouncing back after the opener, you guys.
2:20After a quiet opener, he caught 8 for 138 against the Jaguars.
2:24Denver's offense pretty much ran through him. He had a 32% target share, 54% of the air yards.
2:30As I mentioned, the rotation is set in stone and Cortland Sutton himself struggled.
2:34He's getting 15% of the targets, 17% of the air yards.
2:38He's been a fade of mine all through the draft season.
2:41And now we can kind of see again what the role is looking like.
2:46So Jalen Waddle has a nice bounce back. Zach, I'm going to go to you.
2:50What popped for you guys charting wise? Was there something different?
2:54Is this something that we can rely on moving forward?
2:57I do strongly believe so. We saw this actually in week one.
3:01It just got shut down obviously with the abysmal play by the Broncos and the Chiefs defense overall.
3:07But large in part, you know, there's been off seasons going in where Denver's kind of talked about the Joker role.
3:14But a true Joker type of role is what you're seeing with Waddle.
3:18And stick with me. What I mean by that, because Thomas, I just saw you roll your eyes.
3:23It's the it's the movement piece. It's the true meaning of a Joker role being able to use be used all over the formation.
3:31And Davis Webb is finally unleashing Waddle to and to the degree that he wants to moving him all over the formation,
3:38moving him into the slot, using motion to get him in.
3:42And, you know, basically out on routes before the snap is even is even snapped.
3:46Right. Because you got him on motion and you got him already on the move.
3:51And so Waddle also, you just saw him find a lot more comfort in the offense, too.
3:57It was really highlighted there at the end when he he had a sick route where he literally sent the defensive back
4:04into the sideline and like tripped over himself and was wide open for the game ceiling, you know, deep route.
4:10So this is everything that we were hoping for dominating, you know, the targets, the route share.
4:16And you're right. Sutton essentially is looking like a shell of himself and is at best a possession receiver and maybe a
4:23jump ball merchant in the red zone. Yeah, it's looking very good for anybody that obviously bought in traded forum.
4:29I had no choice but to move my tears, which is definitely going to be that will should be published tonight or tomorrow for people wondering I've moved.
4:38I moved them right back up again. I wasn't exactly.
4:41I was actually too panicked on week one. If you guys had to guess, what do you think the average I'll throw it to Buck?
4:49What do you think the average price is going to be for somebody like Waddle for the rest of the year?
4:56And are you willing to pay it a first like a like a mid first probably?
5:01I mean, I would pay it. I think he's still in the same tier that he's been like he he lives with
5:08like T Higgins and Devante Smith because they all came out together and they were all like the wide receiver twos that
5:15we had to put a dynasty wide receiver ones at one point in time.
5:20And we had to like Waddle always had the best analytics of those three guys.
5:24And now Waddle's on his team by himself. But I think, yeah, just like a first.
5:29I don't I don't think he should change. I mean, he's 28 years old or he'll be 28 years old.
5:36So like I said, he came out with Devante Smith and T Higgins.
5:40So they're all in year six or whatever year six or seven.
5:44So I think it's a first. I wouldn't pay much more than that.
5:48And like a blind first, like probably not much more than that really at all.
5:53I mean, I would send her she rice for him, which you probably could do.
5:58That's yeah. Yeah. Send her she rice for half of a ham sandwich.
6:02It is. It's so bad. It's really, really bad on that front.
6:06I have some of the trades recently as from September 24th.
6:09We I'm going to look for one that doesn't have five, six players.
6:13We have Omar Cooper in a 27 one or Jalen Waddle.
6:17I mean, that's like the that's like the baseline.
6:20I don't want to send much more than that.
6:23Like if you think Omar Cooper is a real player, like I really don't really don't care.
6:28He had one big catch in week one. Now he's on IR.
6:32Like if he's something like if we believe him to be worth like a two plus, I don't want to do that trade.
6:39I don't care about Cooper. So I would just I look at it just sending a first.
6:45But if you spend a first on Cooper and it's two ones, I'm not doing that.
6:50If that makes sense. I think that's fair. Zach.
6:53I would also say this really works both ways because this fits my personal mold of like if you are a rebuilder
7:00selling off of Waddle by being able to get yourself a first and a snack.
7:04A dart throw on a on a, you know, potential player.
7:08I know Buck saying that he doesn't believe him to be real.
7:12However, this would be a real rebuild strategy that I would be able to get behind.
7:17But with most of my teams being, you know, ones that I'm trying to go in and win, then yeah, I would
7:24be willing to take the lot of side. I'm definitely okay with sending Jalen Waddle.
7:29If this is if your team is a projectable, say top four in total value in total points projected out with your
7:36max points for I could see that being a trade that I want to make.
7:41Yeah, I don't mind that at all. I'm not on the like hoard all your 27 picks.
7:46I definitely want to hoard all of the 27 picks that are within the top.
7:51Four top five, you know, that's that's probably where I'm at.
7:54But there does come a point where you need to pack the points on, especially with scoring being up.
8:00So high Jalen Waddle for Bo Nix and a super flex tight and premium is something I am not doing.
8:07No, I think that's that's a little much for me.
8:10It's also what kind of team do you have to have to be able to send a quarterback like that?
8:16Here's one. This is the one that I really wanted to highlight.
8:20It's Jalen Waddle and O'Marion Hampton for Zay Flowers and Bucky Irving.
8:24So it really tests our love for wide receivers.
8:27I think Zay Flowers and Waddle project similarly enough.
8:30But it comes down to the Marion Hampton Hampton and Bucky Irving side where we now have reports where Tampa Bay is
8:37putting Bucky Irving on a pitch count with was the report that came out today because of how long the season is
8:44and the grueling nature of the position. So. Buck, is it Zay Tovin and Bucky or is it O'Marion and Waddle?
8:51They also said that Bucky Irving was going to be ready in summer or fall like a month ago.
8:57Now he's back and he was playing 73% of the snaps.
9:00I don't really care like what Todd Bowles says.
9:03Like that guy like is always saying something about running backs.
9:07It doesn't matter ever. Like we've seen through two weeks that it's not, you know, Gainwell hasn't even played pretty much.
9:13There's been something I was wrong on. So I don't know like how much stock you want to put on that.
9:20Like especially like they basically said he was like dead in camp just a month ago.
9:25So I don't know. I think it's probably the Hampton side just because of the value.
9:30Like Hampton was a, you know, second round startup pick.
9:33He was around one, two seasonal picker. I don't think he's very good, but I think he holds the value.
9:40So you'd be taking like a legitimate value loss probably just definitely on paper.
9:44If you send the Hampton side, even though I think Zay will outscore Waddle if he's healthy.
9:50And I think Bucky and, you know, Hampton will be like a wash.
9:54So, but I think on pure dynasty value, you probably have to take the Hampton side.
9:59You can get two firsts for Hampton. Probably you could barely get a first for Bucky.
10:04I mean, just think of where like the Bucky value was like 15 days ago.
10:09Yeah, I took a first for Bucky in the offseason.
10:12It's been like a hot contested conversation topic in the discord.
10:16Like Bucky was in the, I'm sorry, Bucky was in the eighth round, like in a startup right before the season.
10:22He was going in the eighth round. Like no one wanted him.
10:26So that's kind of where you need to take the, this is like a second out on a player.
10:32And almost every time I say that you get that second out, you almost always win on the second out.
10:39So you should probably just take it before it doesn't become that.
10:43Yeah. Buck actually just beat me to the punch.
10:45That was, that was exactly it. Like Bucky had hit a ceiling in his value and then it kind of cratered last year.
10:53And now he's, he's somewhat had a bit of a bounce back in situations like this.
10:58If you could tear up from a Bucky to a Hampton, who was a first round, you know, NFL draft pick.
11:05And, you know, we're probably going to talk to him, but a lot of the people at fantasy points are talking about how he's just being misused.
11:13So what if he did get used properly? Right.
11:16So that, that tear jump between Bucky to Omarion is just too dramatic of one in comparison to whatever the, the tear
11:23increase might be from water with the flowers. If there even is one.
11:27Yeah. And this one's really tough. I want, I want to take this a flower side.
11:32I have a flowers ranked higher than Jalen Waddle in my dynasty rankings.
11:37And I have what I want to believe in the points versus the value differential between Bucky and Hampton.
11:43I think Bucky can score the same, if not better than Hampton.
11:47And then you get the better value side on the wide receiver.
11:50So it's very tough for me back and forth.
11:53I'm, I'm probably taking this a flowers and Bucky Irving side personally for that reason.
11:58But this is, this is why we have these trades split right down the middle.
12:03I think if, if you can truly get Waddle for a one, you know, as we've talked about as a contender, this
12:10is definitely something to keep in mind because when it comes to the 20, 27, I, I, I don't want to move
12:17them ideally in the first four weeks until you get a lay of the land.
12:22But then you have to be able to, and willing to move that currency in order to set yourself up for a championship.
12:29Yeah. You're, you're not wrong. I'm also just not running out to trade a first for a player like him when I
12:36think I could find similar production for a cheaper or like if you're already going to set a first or a first
12:43plus, it's like, what could you add, you know, to get to Chris Olave?
12:48What more can you add to get to even like Jamar chase, you know, before week two, like it just depends.
12:54Right. So if you're already sending a one plus two, like see, go more, a little bit more big game hunting than that.
13:02If you're already there, like to me, cause it's like waddle is cool.
13:06But what is he going to be like wide receiver 16?
13:09Doesn't matter as much if there's like no top five ceiling.
13:13So I'm not ready to just send a first like fully for players in that tier when like Devante Smith, very similar, probably cheaper.
13:21Also, you know, age 28 season. So I would, I would think you, I would just take a check first.
13:27Cause you could probably get a similar waddle for a cheaper, maybe someone coming off of a bad week too.
13:33Also like he's more expensive. He just had a good game.
13:37So. Yeah, I have. It goes a flowers for me, I think at 11.
13:41And then close to that, I have, uh, I'm just taking a look.
13:46You've got like the Pickens, Nico, Alave, Wilson. And then a little further down, you have waddle, Devante Smith, Egbuka and Ladd.
13:53Like that's kind of where you're at within the tiers and the tier breaks for me.
13:58Yeah. Yeah. But you're probably better off just trying to go trade for Nico or Zay, right?
14:03Like they're hurt. They didn't play last week. So they're going to score similar when they're all playing.
14:09I mean, there's a chance. Like you don't, we can't even say for certain which one of those three all healthy would score like the best.
14:17Nico like easily could if he could play. So you could catch someone that has a hurt player that needs some points.
14:24And just like, if you're 2-0, just go for Nico first before you have to shell out, you know, close to 2-1st
14:31eval for Waddle who's never getting more value. He's 28 in four months.
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15:34IONUS. Digital an Ihrer Seite. Now, Buck, would you want to stay more in that mid-elite tier, like the Wattles, the Devontes, and potentially that first?
15:42Or you said potentially go get a flex player for less.
15:45What about, we'll talk about Josh Downs for a second.
15:49Where would you draw that line? That's just like, that's just kind of impossible, at least like for Josh Downs is like, he is a tough player.
15:57Cause like, he's like an enigma player, right? Like he's not real, right?
16:01He has, like he has shooters. Like Josh Downs always will.
16:05He finally had a good game. Like you're probably just not getting him for a two off of a good game, at least in our like little realm.
16:14Right? That's all I'm talking about is like, he is a Twitter player to the max.
16:19That's true. And I'm, and I'm a Josh Downs guy too, but like, I'm not selling him for a straight two, even
16:26when he like wasn't good after week one. So it's kind of tougher.
16:30I kind of mean more like when I mean in that range, I mean to go to like Devante Adams, Perry McLaurin
16:37again, those type of guys, Matthew Golden, like even him, like he might be a little bit more expensive, but like Josh
16:44Downs most likely is like, you're just not going to get him off of whoever has him.
16:50Cause they probably had him for three years. And he's been like, he's just like, there's certain players that are just like
16:57really tough to trade for, especially like in our type of leagues.
17:01And like Josh Downs is probably like on the Mount Rushmore, that list.
17:05So I would go more to like, like I said, Tay, Tay McLaurin's a little scarier, but you know, Tay or somebody like that.
17:12T Higgins, who's had an off to a slow start, like players that, you know, or have been known to score similar,
17:20getting a plus with those guys for a player, maybe coming off of a, a game like Waddle.
17:25I could see very, very much so doable. What about if you're going to trade for Josh Downs?
17:31Why don't you just trade for Adonai Mitchell, his former teammate.
17:35He's probably a lot cheaper as well. I don't, you're not ever going to convince me Buck that 80 Mitchell's a real player.
17:42He's coming, he's coming off of 12 targets. That's great.
17:45I'm happy for him. And he's free. Not again.
17:48Oh, for free, for sure. We're talking about players that are probably going to average 11 points.
17:53Right. Like, so if 80 Mitchell averages 11 points, I don't know what I'm going to do.
17:59But you might have to, like, let me, let me know if this makes sense.
18:04You're probably gonna have to pay an eight point price on 80 Mitchell.
18:08You have to pay a 15 point price on Josh Downs for the same 11 points.
18:13That's just how it goes. Right. So I don't know.
18:16Like take a shot on somebody else. Like, well, let's talk about, we just don't, we just don't have a lot of vets.
18:23Like that's the problem. You don't have a lot of like aging vets that score points.
18:29You're right. We have digs. Go get digs. I have on players that we should talk about.
18:34We can segue right to it as Josh Downs.
18:37So let's talk about the good and the bad.
18:40The bad is that he's never truly been a full-time player.
18:43Opportunity coming with Alec Pierce missing time and significant time.
18:47I don't even know if he should have been out there.
18:50It is not good. So Downs is going to get an immediate boost.
18:54Versus the Chiefs, he let the Colts in routes at 85%.
18:58Target with nine. He caught seven. He had 72 yards.
19:01He looked electric on the field. He looked like the only player that could really seriously threaten the defense.
19:07That's great. Obviously the Colts have to see that and be willing to utilize that themselves.
19:12He's never run over 80% of routes in back-to-back games.
19:15In fact, he only hit that mark twice in 2025.
19:18We now have him hitting that this year in back-to-back games.
19:22He has more targets more than anyone else. Tyler Warren, it doesn't feel like they want to use him anywhere but the flat.
19:29I was ready to flex on Jacob and Ryan who kind of, not snickered, but they were doubting the fact that I
19:36had Tyler Warren in the same tier as Colson Loveland.
19:40I was like, oh yeah, look at all these targets.
19:43Look at all the usage. Josh Downs is clearly the best option.
19:47They signed Buck's favorite not-real player in Darius Slayton to fill the Alec Pierce role.
19:51I think buying right now, you probably missed out.
19:54I think it's probably too late to buy at a reasonable price.
19:58He's got a great separation score. His win rate, fantastic.
20:01Yards after the catch, he's been electric. Just really explosive type player.
20:05Part of the bad is that the offense sucks.
20:08The passing offense looks pretty bad, but 86.2% of the snaps, like I mentioned, 85.1% of the routes, 21% target share in
20:15the team, 28.3% of the air yards. This is a pretty good player for that player that you might have to pay
20:22that 15-point-per-game price for if he has the opportunity to be a wide receiver.
20:27Number one, with all that being said, the table is set.
20:30What are our expectations and are you buying? Because Josh Downs is one of the must-buy players, like Buck had mentioned, across
20:37pretty much all of Twitter, pretty much across all of YouTube.
20:41I remain skeptical. Zach, are you buying the performances or are you selling it?
20:45I'm buying the performances, but I'm questionable at how long it's going to last.
20:50I want to ask you guys, does this feel like if we're ever going to have a cell window on Downs, does this feel like it's it?
20:58Just large in part because Daniel Jones is looking absolutely so abysmal.
21:02And yes, there's room for growth post-injury, but right now it is just so bad.
21:07And the biggest thing with Downs is what most people don't realize with Downs is how violent of a football player he is.
21:14Like on tape, he's one of the fun. Like that's why he is a Twitter boy, as you guys call it, because
21:21he's so fun to watch on tape and he runs incredibly violent.
21:25But he runs and plays like he's bigger than he is.
21:29So now that Downs does have more exposure, number one, I'm curious, can he stay healthy?
21:34Because if he continues to try and be a beast after the catch, that's where the injuries kind of wear in on him.
21:41And then also just like the statistics for Daniel Jones right now are absolutely abysmal.
21:46I mean, we're talking about 29th in EPA per drop back.
21:49He's 30th in completion percentage over expectation, 28th in yards per attempt, 28th in adjusted net yards.
21:55Like it is. I don't know what to do with it.
21:58It's literally John Taylor and Josh Downs is going to continue to eat in the kind of short and intermediate routes.
22:05And that's basically what's crippling Tyler Warren. Well, not even just that they did use or they were trying to use Josh Downs down the field as well.
22:14He was completely wide open on a nice slot fade against Baltimore in week one.
22:19But that absolutely got collapsed by the pressure that Baltimore applied and of course never generated a holding call.
22:25But neither here nor there. So the downfield targets are a possibility.
22:29And I don't know if Darius Slayton is going to come in and make that big of a difference downfield.
22:35But I think you probably have like a four to six week window where he's very much likely to be used as
22:42kind of a legit wide receiver one anyway. Just looking at the data suite 2.0, Daniel Jones has only three attempts of over 20 yards.
22:50Danny Nichols. Danny Nichols. Danny Nichols. Well, I like that you call it Jonathan Taylor, by the way, a couple of minutes ago.
22:58John Taylor. I like that. Anyway, I don't know.
23:00I'm a perpetual Josh Downs buyer like forever. Like I think the dude could just play.
23:06Like there's certain people I just think could play.
23:08I think he could. I think he'll get a shot.
23:12You do have to remember though. Darius Slayton and Danny Nichols.
23:15Former shower narrative. Former shower narrative of those two.
23:18Darius Slayton was the biggest Daniel Jones glazer of all time.
23:22Like he used to like I'm so for real.
23:24He used to sit there in front of the media and go out at bat for him.
23:30And when Dan Jones got cut from the Giants and was like the safety, you know, and in practice, he was like
23:37literally crying, tearing up in the interview. Like that's his guy.
23:40Like he's went to bat. So it's they have a weird relationship.
23:44Also, Darius Slayton stinks. But he will be able to feel like he is like the most Alec Pierce player.
23:51That's not Alec Pierce. Probably just runs far. He'll have a couple games.
23:55Like that's what Darius Slayton is. He can't catch, which is not great for the position he plays.
24:01But I'll always buy it down. I just think he's really good.
24:04But he's just like a player that's like almost not worth talking about because you kind of can't buy him.
24:11And like I roster him. You're not going to buy him off of me.
24:15I'm not selling him for a two. Like, I don't know, two seconds, I guess, right?
24:20Like, would you sell him for like, I don't know, again, Devontae Adams?
24:25Like if you're contending and you have Josh Downs, would you send Devontae Adams for him?
24:30Like, I mean, would you take Devontae Adams for Downs?
24:33Like that would have to be the type of trades you do.
24:37Like, and now if Downs actually breaks out and he's good this year, like he used to be the perfect like kind
24:44of fake player to use in trades to get to the guys to score points.
24:49But if he does score, if he just scores points this year, he's a 15 point per game player.
24:55And he's a sixth round pick, fifth round pick in startups next year.
24:59And, you know, Devontae Adams will be still in the 12th round.
25:03So you kind of can't use him like that anymore because his upside of a value asset is like way higher.
25:09Like he's like, what, 23, 24? Like if he breaks out.
25:13Five? Yeah, if he's year three, year four. If he breaks out, he's a real asset.
25:18So you have to kind of take that into account too.
25:22And he just has like a Twitter boost. He has a name.
25:25Like, I don't know. So I don't want to sell him.
25:29I also don't really think you could buy him.
25:32I think it's just like kind of. I just don't think you can get him for a straight two.
25:38I think that's probably his value. And I don't think anyone has taken that.
25:42Where he might be tough if, again, if you know your opponent and the player you have is like Buck and you're
25:49just not getting him off of that name value the last couple of years or you know what content your league mates
25:56are taking in, but you don't always know. So if you look at some of the trades that have popped up from
26:03today, like I said, we're recording this on the 24th.
26:07You got Josh Downs for Gunner Helm. Oh, this is from the 23rd.
26:11But Josh Downs for Gunner Helm in a 27-2.
26:14I would just take Josh Downs every single time.
26:17I think we all are. You've got Josh Downs for Stribbling.
26:20Multiple times. That is very interesting. I would take Josh Downs every single time.
26:25Josh Downs for a 28 first. I draw the line.
26:28I'm not sending that. No, I'd want the first.
26:31Me too. Yeah, I'm not sending that. I think that's a little crazy.
26:35Buck asked if I would take two twos. And I think I would at this point if I got two twos.
26:41What was that A.J. Brown trade down there? Would you take A.J.
26:45Brown for Josh Downs? A.J. Brown is going to be out for six to eight weeks.
26:50He's a 30-year-old receiver. Josh Downs or A.J. Brown?
26:53It was way down there. It was a big trade, though.
26:57Right there. Ferguson. A.J. Brown and Jake Ferguson for Josh Downs, a one and a two.
27:02Yeah, give me Josh Downs, a one and a two.
27:05But if we just talk about A.J. Brown versus Downs, though, what do you want?
27:10See, I've been out on A.J. Brown, so I would take Josh Downs on that one.
27:15I would, too. I mean, he's going to be out for six to eight weeks, right?
27:20High ankle sprain. Might as well just kill his season.
27:23That's what that is. It's worse than an ACL for fantasy players.
27:27You have to play the guy, and he's going to be terrible.
27:31He's 30. Like, I would take Josh. If you could still get Josh Downs for A.J.
27:36Brown, I'd definitely do that. I feel like you would be able to get more than Josh Downs for A.J.
27:43Brown, still. Maybe you can get a two at it.
27:46Just depends how people feel about, like, you know, Brown being out.
27:50Yeah, maybe you can get Brown in a two.
27:52Maybe that's a trade you need to try to make.
27:56Maybe that's what it is. Brown in a two.
27:59Get him. I think you probably could, yeah. Or Downs in a two, yeah.
28:03Yeah, I'm sitting here trying to think about it, and it's really hard to not lean that way.
28:09But, like I said, you can see it. Dontavian Wicks, Colton Loveland in a two for a 27-1, and Josh Downs.
28:16Colton Loveland's gotten cheap. Yeah, well, I mean, the first two weeks.
28:19You'll do that. That's what I'm saying. So, I said last week that I don't have an opinion.
28:25Said that I didn't know how to rank this player.
28:28I don't know where to put him. I don't know what to do with him.
28:33So, Jalen Coker is the player that I want to talk about.
28:37I need to know if this is real or not.
28:40Or will Bryce Young come back down to earth?
28:43His usage has been elite, a .38 expected fantasy points per team play.
28:47It ranks top six among players at every position.
28:50Players at every position among wide receivers. Only CeeDee Lamb is higher.
28:54Week two, Ted Roa McMillan scored slightly more fantasy points, 15.1 to 14.6.
28:58But Coker led the team in first read targets with seven.
29:02For a second straight game. Season to date, he's top 16 among wide receivers in first read target share at 29.5.
29:08Top three in red zone targets with five. Only JSN and Amun Ra, St.
29:13Brown have more. Furthermore, in the last 10 games, including the playoffs, Jalen Coker versus Tett McMillan.
29:18Yards per outrun, 2.25 versus two. DraftKings fantasy points, 16.1 versus 13.8.
29:22And expected fantasy points per game, 13.2 versus 13.5.
29:25Tett McMillan slightly ahead. Excuse me. So, gentlemen, it's time.
29:28We have to make a definitive choice. Is Jalen Coker real?
29:32Is this going to maintain being real? And then is it too late to buy?
29:36Is it already too late to buy Jalen Coker?
29:39Yeah, I mean, probably. Like, he's another Josh Downs, like, tweener type player, right?
29:44Like, probably don't want to send a first for him.
29:47No reason to take a two for him. Like, I'm a cokehead.
29:51I've been for the last three years. Like, I think.
29:54Explains why you've been gone. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm in on him.
29:58I think he's really good. Like, I don't know.
30:01Like, last year he had, like, the blip in the radar season because he had all that hype.
30:07Then he got hurt. Then he came back late.
30:10And then he broke out towards the end and had the playoff game.
30:14He had, like, a really, really big playoff game, 100-something yards.
30:17He was, like, the inverse Parker Washington. It was, like, those two players at the end of the season were breaking out together.
30:25And, like, Parker Washington got all this shine. And he held the shine to the, you know, to the preseason where he
30:32ended up being, like, a fifth-round seasonal pick. And, you know, Jalen Coker was, like, a 12th-round pick.
30:38They're kind of, like, the same player. Like, the same type of asset.
30:42I almost think they should just be valued, like, the same.
30:45And they're just not going to be. Coker won't be right now.
30:49Like, you probably have to send a first to get Washington, like, for sure.
30:54You don't have to, I don't think, for Coker.
30:56But I wouldn't take, if I'm selling him, like, I wouldn't take less than a first.
31:02But I think as far as buying, like, yeah, I think you're done.
31:06It's always tough with these type of players, right?
31:09Because, like I said, it's, like, I don't know.
31:11Like, if you had him, no reason to sell.
31:14And if you want to buy him, like, what do you buy him for?
31:19Like, I don't know. Like, if I'm going to send a first for Coker, like I said, I just want to see
31:26what I can do with my other first and see who else I can get.
31:31That's what I'm trying to do. So, to me, like, and I have this take a lot.
31:36And I know some people don't agree with this.
31:39Like, to me, it's, like, with Coker, if you missed out, you missed out.
31:43Whatever. Find the next Coker. Like, move on. Don't try to chase it and buy it because probably it's going to lose.
31:50Like, you have to spend too much. Like, you'll find another Jalen Coker.
31:55Do us undraft it. There'll be somebody else you can find.
31:58Just don't chase it if you don't have him yet, in my opinion.
32:02I really like that point about not chasing because you're right.
32:06Like, if you kind of missed getting in on the blow up and the hype, then you don't want to overpay because he's a popular name now.
32:14You can say the same thing at this point about Parker Washington's glow up as well, right?
32:20Because some of us were talking about giving up our 107s, 108s in the 2026 draft to go get Parker.
32:26So, the ship has sailed in some degree on this.
32:29Now, I would push back a little bit on you, Buck, when you were talking about comparing Coker and Parker in the same landscape.
32:37Now, both being kind of low draft picks, if even drafted at all, had to kind of work their way up.
32:44And so, the biggest difference is that Parker has established himself as the number one.
32:49And I know some of the first three targets and stuff are leaning Coker's way.
32:53But let's also give respect to the type of person that Tett McMillan is on the outside and the kind of demand
33:01that he commands by the defense, which also opens up and gives Jalen Coker more one-on-one opportunities.
33:06And that's part of the Coker blow up that you're seeing right now.
33:10It's because defenses are trying to bracket and cover Tett McMillan, and it's opening up Coker's role a little bit more.
33:17Now, with that being said, Coker's always been a baller.
33:20He was just super, super raw, right? You get these from small school college guys who are just really great athletes, and
33:27they catch the ball well, and they look really mean after the catch.
33:31But they don't run the right depth of routes, right?
33:34You oftentimes think the quarterback is throwing it incorrectly, but really, they're not running the right slant at the right depth or
33:41the right hitch at the right depth and so on and so forth.
33:46So, it took a couple of years for Coker to figure that out, but now we're here.
33:51This all my rant kind of concludes in the fact that while it looks really good right now, part of the reason
33:58that Coker wasn't in the Parker Washington territory is because of the quarterback, right?
34:03Bryce Young, I mean, he struggled to have 200-yard passing games, and now he's had back-to-back over 250-yard passing games.
34:09So, while I'm hyped about Coker, I question the sustainability because I don't know how much we can count on Bryce Young to continue this.
34:17Thomas is pulling it up right now, but look at that catch percent.
34:21That's the highly accurate throw rate. So, it's still down in the 65.8% realm.
34:26So, it's actually Bryce Young's accuracy to some degree has actually gone worse despite the metrics going up.
34:31Yeah, ninth percentile, 30th in the league. Yeah, but he's also always, like Bryce Young has always thrived with the Coker type player, right?
34:39Like, 34-year-old Adam Thielen had, like, 110 and 1,200 with, like, rookie Bryce Young or whatever.
34:44You know, super, super bad Bryce Young. So, they're, like, slot players, like, closer to the line.
34:50Like, I don't know. They're big. Yeah, so I think Coker would be fine.
34:54Like, I don't mind. Like, I don't mind the whole, like, oh, he's not the wide receiver one on his team.
35:01Like, I don't really care about that because he's getting wide receiver one type of, like, peripherals, right?
35:07Like, he's getting the targets, getting the target share.
35:09Like, it's the same argument with, like, T. Higgins, right?
35:13Like, I don't want T. Higgins to leave, to leave Jamar Chase.
35:16I want him to stay next to Jamar Chase.
35:19Like, he still gets wide receiver one uses. He's just not the wide receiver one, right?
35:24And sometimes, like, what does that mean? Like, if you're a 25% target share, who cares?
35:30What does that mean? Wide receiver one just means you're going to get the better corner.
35:35Like, let Tet take the, you know, the better matchups anyway, the worst matchups for anyone.
35:40So, I don't really care about that part of it.
35:43But I just think, like, him and Parker Washington, my comp with that is, like, they traveled, like, the same as assets, right?
35:50Like, they were both, like, Parker Washington was on Dynasty waiver wires this time last year.
35:55Like, I traded for him in the league that I'm in with Thomas.
36:00I sent a fourth for Parker Washington. But that's also why I said, like, you don't know.
36:05So, that's why it's important to know if we're too late, right?
36:09Because if you believe in this, let me tell you, you've got five to six weeks until we really get to see.
36:16Bryce Young has really good matchups until six weeks from now, I believe, where he gets the Eagles, which is really going to be their first legitimate test.
36:25So, we're going to get the opportunity to see if Bryce Young here is for real.
36:30And this is another player that people are discussing in terms of the sending a blind 27-1-4.
36:35We got a hot start. Two three touchdown games, 56.5 fantasy points through two weeks.
36:40That's only behind Josh Allen. Last week, first, the Falcons, he was 23 of 36 for 287.
36:46He had eight yards per attempt. And again, the three touchdowns plus a six-yard run is 24.1 fantasy points.
36:52I thought he is moving around a little bit more than he was in years past.
36:57The passing volume, Carolina has been slower to open it up with Young previously.
37:01But this year, 73 attempts through two games, 35-plus attempts and 250-plus yards.
37:06In four straight games, going back to week 18 last season, concern a little bit with man coverage.
37:11Cleveland plays man coverage more than any other team at 45.3% since last season.
37:16Young averages just 5.18 yards per attempt and 0.5 fantasy points per dropback against men.
37:21So this upcoming matchup against the Browns could be the first legitimate test for these guys, though they're not test.
37:27I mean, I still think the best defense they're going to face is Philadelphia.
37:31But for a player like Coker, this is the type of matchup where we kind of get to see potentially a little bit of a test here.
37:40So we're going to pull up some of the trades for him.
37:44And while you're doing that, the one thing I will say in positivity to Bryce is it just feels like they're using him better.
37:52I kind of talked about his swagger looks back.
37:54When Bryce is playing with a sort of charisma about him, he always plays up a different level.
38:00But getting him on the move, getting him out from behind his offensive line, allowing him to see the field better, to
38:07Buck's point about how they like to have those big receivers on the outside.
38:12I mean, right now, Bryce has as many. We talked about Daniel Jones only having three.
38:17Bryce Young has as many throws attempts over 20 yards as he does inside of 10 to 20.
38:23So he's a lot more willing to kind of get out on the run and throw it a little bit deeper than
38:30it feels like he has been in the past.
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39:17Ionus. Digital an Ihrer Seite. So, I know we're really trying to stay, like, head-focused on the content and whatever, but Buck,
39:24you're gonna be really mad to know that a Falcons player just tackled Matthew Golden's ankles before he was about to catch it for a 70-yard touchdown.
39:33Um, so that fell incomplete, but, uh, that was, that was coming.
39:36It was happening. And number 21 just tackled Matthew Golden, uh, while he was, uh, on the way.
39:42So, sorry. Sorry about that. You can't, you can't contain this dude.
39:46You have to tackle him. He's so tough. Like, Matthew Golden is so tough.
39:51You can't even contain this guy. You have to, like, you might, you might have to start guarding.
39:56Jamar Chase is gonna be on a podcast next week asking why Matthew Golden's not getting doubled.
40:02Yeah. Oh, God. Uh, all right. We've got Bryce Young or Fernando Mendoza in a second.
40:07Yeah, see, like, I'm taking Mendoza here. That's crazy to me.
40:10Me too, but I don't think it's crazy. I don't think it's that crazy, but I wouldn't, I mean, the second on the side.
40:18Like, I don't think Mendoza versus Bryce Young is that crazy of a discussion, but, I mean, I could see why that,
40:25I could see why that trade's made. Like, I see why someone has to make that trade.
40:31Like, Mendoza's not playing. I can see why they can make that trade, but I would take Mendoza in the two for sure.
40:38So, the reason I say crazy is just from, like, a prospect profile.
40:42Like, I know we already know what we know about Bryce Young, but, like, Fernando coming out is just, like, he's built like a quarterback, right?
40:50Like, he's. Oh, not that Dan Arlovsky, this is how it's supposed to look.
40:55Not that this is how it's supposed to look.
40:58Looking a little quarterback-y. Is it quarterback-y for you, Zach?
41:01A better, man. Oh, no. He can at least see over the line.
41:05Oh, no. No, we joke, we joke, of course.
41:08Yeah, I could see that, but it gets to a point where, like, three years in, three years plus in.
41:14I don't really care about the prospect stuff. I care about the growth stuff for Bryce Young.
41:20But that's where I said the next couple weeks is going to be important.
41:24However, this is why we talk about are we paying what we're paying now?
41:29Because in four weeks, if this continues, the price of the brick is only going up.
41:34I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Bryce Young.
41:37Because, like, if you know me, I hate that, like, tier QB, like, NFL tier QB.
41:42But the biggest thing about Bryce Young coming out of college, right, was, like, his number one trait, which I remember, like,
41:49betting on that so dumb looking back. Like, his number one trait was, like, his brain, right?
41:54That he's so smart that he's, like, you know, they used to, they called it, what was the thing?
42:00Seth Curry of football? Like, that was whoever said that.
42:04Whoever that was, Kirk Curbstreet, somebody. That was, like, a big thing.
42:07But it's, like, he is kind of back to that, right?
42:11On Sunday, he made all those checks at the line to get to that Darren Waller touchdown that they talked about.
42:18And he's, like, commanding the huddle, like, well. Like, that was his whole thing, right?
42:22Is that he's really smart. He could read the defense.
42:26Like, he's just, like, kind of like a supercomputer at quarterback.
42:29That was the whole thing about him. Like, yeah, not that big.
42:33Arm maybe not that strong. But it's, like, he is, like, like, Luka Doncic is, like, the supercomputer in the NBA.
42:40Like, that's what Bryce Young was supposed to be.
42:43And it looks like some of that's kind of coming to fruition.
42:46Like, he might have, like, some talent concerns. But if he's going to be doing all that type of stuff where he
42:54can just, like, read defenses, make checks, and, like, his teammates have, like, he's going to get $200 million in a couple months.
43:01Like, that's just a fact at this point now.
43:04So I think he's, like, kind of an underrated asset.
43:07And he could just be, like, we see quarterbacks, like, like, Jarek Goff, another former number one overall pick, right?
43:13Like, people were writing him for dead, like, when his last year on the Rams, his first year on the Lions.
43:20And it's, like, sometimes you get to play as much as Jarek Goff does.
43:25Like, you just get better by playing that much.
43:27Like, Jarek Goff probably shouldn't have had three more years of being a starter.
43:32Like, he was that bad. His last, like I said, last year in L.A., why he got shipped off in that first year in Detroit.
43:40Like, he was worth a second in Dynasty that first year in Detroit.
43:44People thought they were going to draft a QB.
43:47People thought he was done. They ended up drafting Hendon Hooker was the quarterback.
43:51And people were still selling him because of Hendon Hooker.
43:55Like, that's really. I remember that. So, like, Bryce Young is probably just, like, locked into starting in the NFL for the next couple years.
44:03I know it's, like, a cop-out answer because we were saying that about, like, Tua.
44:07But it's, like, I don't know. Bryce Young might just be, like, just good enough to be able to hang around.
44:14And then when he's 28, 29, he can just break out and be good.
44:19Like, I don't know. I think Bryce Young is just kind of underrated because it's almost like I want to compare him to Dak fully.
44:27But, like, that's kind of Dak, right? Like, Dak is just, like, was kind of good in the beginning of his career.
44:34But he was, like, now, like, Dak is so good at the quarterback stuff.
44:38Like, just really, really good at the QB stuff.
44:41Like, Aaron Rodgers even talked about that. Not that way.
44:44Aaron Rodgers even talked about that. How, like, Dak is probably, like, the smartest quarterback in the league when it comes to
44:51pre, like, you know, like, pre-checks and stuff. And I think Bryce Young is, like, kind of there, too.
44:57Like, that's just going to get him a long way.
45:00Like, I don't know if any of that makes sense.
45:04But that's why I'd be buying Bryce Young because I think he's just going to be in the league for a long time.
45:11And he has a ceiling. He's showed a ceiling now.
45:14You could, to the cerebral part of it, that could be why you're seeing the Bryce glow up.
45:20Because, you know, it's slowing. The game's slowing down for him if it's, you know, if he's as smart as everybody was kind of expecting him to be.
45:29And you see that with some of these young prospects coming in where it's all just way too fast and overwhelming.
45:36And then as the years go on, especially at the quarterback position, it all just kind of slows down a little bit.
45:43But I would just say, looking at this trade chart, though, some of these trades just seem like right now the Bryce
45:50value seems just like you can level up, it feels.
45:53Well, you got Sam Darnold, a player that Buck refuses to acknowledge.
45:57Well, we'll get to that one. But a player that Buck refuses to acknowledge in Roma Dunze.
46:02You get Jacoby Lane, who a lot of excitement from him.
46:06But he's Baltimore's wide receiver two, who's also hurt.
46:09And a rookie. And you get Bryce Young, the GOAT Xavier Leggett, and a 27 third.
46:14Like, I'll just take Bryce Young. You get a stack.
46:17You get a stack with that one. I'll just take Bryce Young.
46:21Is Rome that dead to you guys for taking Bryce Young?
46:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Have you ever seen how I write Roma Dunze's name on Twitter?
46:30Yeah, he's that dead. He's that dead to me.
46:33It's like Voldemort. He just won't even say his name.
46:36This one I find interesting. Aaron Jones, Bryce Young, Dalton Kincaid, or AJ Brown, and Justin Herbert.
46:42This one's going to test Buck to his core.
46:44The Kincaid blowup has me leaning that way. Buck doesn't want to say it.
46:49He doesn't want to say it because he knows his reputation's on the line.
46:53Previous Discord messages are available. Say it so I can be happy.
46:57So over the last couple of days, I have turned in my Justin Herbert truther card.
47:02I have turned it in. Thank you. I can change his nickname on our co-managed team now.
47:08I have turned it in. I would just take Bryce Young and Kincaid.
47:12I mean, Kincaid's going to – like he should be a top five tight end rest of the season.
47:18He should probably maybe be like the tight end two rest of the season, just in seasonal.
47:23Like that's how he should be ranked. He's breaking out all – like Dalton Kincaid's always been good.
47:29He just needed to play more. Now he's playing more and we see the production.
47:34So Bryce Young's honestly probably just going to outscore Justin Herbert.
47:38Like I don't want to do a whole Justin Herbert thing, but it's terrible.
47:42It's bad. And he's not even like being the fun bad anymore.
47:46So I would just take Bryce Young. I don't know if – I don't really think Bryce Young will jump Herbert head-to-head
47:53in value, at least not right now. But I mean you could make a case that by the end of the season maybe you should.
48:01Chuba Hubbard and Bryce Young or Tyler Shuck and Nicholas Singleton?
48:04Oh, man. All right. Yeah, I'm going Bryce Young.
48:07This is Bryce Young and Chuba for me. Because to Buck's point, I think Bryce Young's runway for multiple years in the
48:14league is more solidified or safer than Tyler Shuck's is currently right now.
48:18We getting Shuck tonight. We getting Shuck tonight. I would take Bryce Young because the Shuck piece, like the other piece, Nick Singleton with us, my guy.
48:27Just like not a real player like Chuba is going to be.
48:31You know, like he's an actual asset. So even though he was – people treated him as he wasn't an asset to
48:38a guy who had six career carries in two years.
48:41But we're not here to talk about that. So I'll take Bryce Young and Chuba.
48:46What about Bryce Young in a second or Carson back in a one?
48:50That's Bryce so easily for me. Yeah, Bryce. Yeah.
48:53So that's about where we're at. We're buying Bryce Young right now.
48:57Buying into that tier of quarterback can be tough.
49:00I know we want to be frugal with our 27 twos.
49:03But yeah, I think that is where we are.
49:06Let's talk about – we have two more ones that we're talking positively on.
49:11And I'm just going to tell you now, I'm buying Terry McLaurin.
49:14And I know that Terry McLaurin having Mariota will scare some people off with Marcus Mariota since the start of last season.
49:21McLaurin has averaged 3.38 yards per route run with Mariota on the field.
49:26That would rank wide receiver three over that span.
49:29This week, Mariota played the second half. And McLaurin had a team-high 27.8% target share.
49:33He could have – it could have been bigger.
49:36He nearly scored a couple of times. Remember, he had the one touchdown that was called back.
49:42And he sold my guy Antonio Williams, who threw an absolute beauty pass for a wide receiver.
49:47Malik Willis wishes he could throw a ball that well.
49:50That was beautiful. It had spin. It was off the back foot.
49:54It looked phenomenal. It had the air. It had height.
49:57But, no, Antonio Williams absolutely dropped a dime. And Terry McLaurin turned the wrong way and lost it and couldn't haul it in.
50:05So, there's two touchdowns on the board for Terry McLaurin.
50:08So, it could even have been an even bigger day.
50:11I think people are going to be down on this because they see the Mariota thing.
50:16I think that's where you get the opportunity to buy, especially because Terry McLaurin has had a bit of a slower start.
50:23I want to buy Terry McLaurin, but I want to know where you guys are.
50:28Well, Buck's been, I mean, team buy Terry all offseason, right?
50:32So, I'm curious to know if you've changed your tone at all.
50:35Yeah, yes and no. Like, I don't want to buy anymore because I don't think I can.
50:41I'm pretty sure he's like my most rostered player like across seasonal end redraft.
50:45Like, I think when I look at seasonal end dynasty, I think when I looked at my roster ship like a few
50:52weeks ago, I had 13 Terry teams. So, I'm kind of done buying him, but I don't know.
50:58Like, I don't, I'm not, my tone hasn't changed like too much on like what I think he can do the rest of the year.
51:06Like, I don't like that it's Mariota again. Like, I mean, if I knew it was Mariota two weeks ago, I would have a lot less for sure.
51:15But, I think it's, I think he's a good vet buy.
51:19I just, as far as like what I kind of thought it was going to be preseason, like kind of like drinking
51:26the Kool-Aid when they were talking about how the whole offense was going to be centered around him.
51:31Like, I don't think that's going to happen for a couple of reasons.
51:35One, I just, I don't know. Well, Jaden Daniels already said he doesn't want to run an offense around Terry.
51:42I know he's hurt, but he said that a few weeks ago that he's not going to force feed on the ball.
51:49He doesn't care to. That's not necessarily a great thing to hear.
51:53And I think Stefan Diggs is just a walking 1K until he's done playing.
51:57Like, I think whatever team he goes on, he's just going to have a thousand yards, you know, catch 90 balls until
52:04he just decides to hang it up completely. Like, say what you want about Diggs, but last year he played 50% of the snaps on the season.
52:13He had a thousand yards. He was the best, you know, best weapon for May and they should have just, honestly, should have just kept him, right?
52:22He had, it was 55% of the snaps I think he played as a season last year, a thousand yards.
52:28He tears his ACL with the Texans and he started that season, you know, pacing for another 1,200 yards.
52:34Like, he was just, he's just going to have a thousand until he's done.
52:39So, I think Diggs just matters a lot more to Terry than, I was going to say, than I give credit for,
52:46but he also was like a late signing, right?
52:48Like, we always thought, like, who's going to be next to Terry this season?
52:53It's going to be Ayuk, who hasn't played in two years, right?
52:57We just chalked that in. That's who it's going to be, right?
53:01And then Ayuk burned his last bridge he had.
53:03Ayuk did, for sure. Ayuk really chalked that in.
53:06Yeah. And then burned his last bridge he had and then it became Stefan Diggs.
53:11Like, I don't remember exactly when he signed, but like super late, right?
53:15It was late. Like, it was definitely like after, you know, it was like in August, right?
53:21So, I just think Diggs matters a lot more to Terry than most people want to give him credit for.
53:27And then maybe I gave credit for two weeks ago when I was drafting seasonal teams and didn't care as much.
53:34Like, he's just a target hog. Like, whether they're, you know, kind of tight end targets or whatever, like, he's just going
53:41to command a ton of volume because he's just really good.
53:44So, I think that kind of matters a lot more is the Diggs thing.
53:49Just matters a lot for Terry to me. Yeah, I think it was around August 5th, right?
53:54Yeah. It was like, yeah, first week of August.
53:57So, Diggs is one of those old ass wide receivers who is just really good at route running, right?
54:03Average separation score. Diggs is going to be just dominant and routing people up.
54:08The one thing that I say about Terry is like, he looks really good.
54:12Like, we have to keep in mind that he got the Quinion Mitchell special in week one.
54:18Week two, it did look really good. Thomas is trying to discredit Terry by saying he dropped the Antonio Williams throw.
54:24He did not. Antonio Williams turned the receiver all the way around, had to try to make him do a 360 to try to catch it.
54:33But... No? He twisted him around. But at this point, like, Terry does look good, right?
54:38Did Antonio Williams grab Terry McLaurin by the hand and pirouette him around in a circle?
54:43Or did Terry McLaurin just look over the wrong shoulder, perhaps?
54:46I don't know. It's a wide receiver throwing the ball.
54:50What more do you want him to do? I just want him to throw it on the inside shoulder, not the outside shoulder.
54:57That also might be the worst secondary in football, too, that he faced.
55:01It is. So, you know, some of this might be with a grain of salt.
55:06But I am saying that McLaurin looks really explosive.
55:09So we're talking about, obviously, Mariota coming in to play quarterback.
55:12But, like, would you guys have assumed that Terry McLaurin is actually top five in both yards after catch per reception and explosive percentage rate?
55:20Yeah, but he has, like, three catches, right? So it's like, how many catches does he have?
55:26It's just like, I don't know. He does have four catches on 13 targets.
55:30But the fact of the matter is, like I'm saying, he looks good.
55:34He looks fully recovered from, obviously, last year, which really held him back in the contract disputes.
55:40You keep on mentioning, like, Diggs potentially being a thorn in his side.
55:44But I think what Terry's been missing is, number one, he's been missing quarterback play and healthy quarterback play.
55:50And, number two, he's been missing a number two.
55:53He's had nobody. It's the same thing we're talking about with Jalen Coker and Ted McMillan.
55:58He's had nobody to kind of take some of the coverage away and help free him up and open him up.
56:05You know, you're talking about Diggs. They're not going to be able to just leave Diggs out on an island out there.
56:12They're going to have to roll coverage his way, which is going to give Terry more one-on-ones.
56:17And so, Mariota, say what you will about it.
56:20He's still mobile enough, but he's still going to try and throw and keep the offense on point.
56:26So, I do think Terry is a good buy-low vet for a contending team.
56:30Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I think the Terry thing, though, like, he's never going to be a guy that's going
56:37to blow you away in target share. He's never going to be a 30% target share guy at 27.
56:44Like, he's just, like, kind of is what he is, more in the, like, realm of, like, Amari Cooper, right, when it's,
56:51like, you know, 20%, 21% every year, 20%, then he finally breaks out.
56:55Like, I think Terry is just, like, pound for pound probably better than Amari Cooper, but I think they're kind of very similar.
57:02So, I think Terry needs a more efficient offense, means scoring more touchdowns, because he's just not going to get there by,
57:09you know, 12 targets a week, which, like, maybe we thought when they were talking that they were going to run the
57:16offense and give them 10 targets a week. But, like, challenge is probably going to be hard for Terry to get there,
57:23I think, especially when he's, like, a lot of weeks either going to be tied for targets on his team or even losing targets to Diggs.
57:31Because, like, also, the other thing with Diggs is, like, not even that, like, oh, he's outflying Terry.
57:37He just runs easier routes, too, than Terry as well.
57:40Like, he just, you know, easier for, like, you know, Marcus Mariota, too.
57:45So, I don't know. Like, I said, I hope it's good.
57:48Like, I don't think it's a bad buy, like, to throw a two at Terry McLaurin, like, or something like that.
57:55I think you probably could get him for a second.
57:58Even when he was, like, you know, super hot in the offseason, he was not worth much more than that anyway.
58:05So, I think he's a fine buy, but my expectations are just a little different, and I just kind of wish he had his quarterback.
58:13The touchdown argument is really valid because that's his biggest glow-up is obviously when he had double-digit touchdowns.
58:19He had 13 touchdowns. But, obviously, from a career standpoint, he's usually been right between four and five.
58:24Now, touchdowns are fluky, but, yeah, I don't expect this offense or this team to be very good.
58:30So, that would be a little bit of a thorn in Terry's side would be the touchdown upside capping his.
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59:37And what really sucks for me about Judkins is how high I was.
59:41He was one of, he was, I had him as my favorite pick in the fourth round.
59:47Now, I do want to add a caveat that he has had two of the toughest matchups possible for running backs over the first two weeks.
59:55Look at how freaking bad this is. This is nightmare fuel for me.
59:59Negative 52.5 rushing yards over expectations. In 2025, it was negative 137.2.
60:03A .13 miss tackles force in 2025. I've got the good and the bad here for Judkins Sunday.
60:09His 16.7% target share was the second highest of his career.
60:12We like that. His 34.3% route participation was his, his fourth best.
60:16We love that. The trend is even bigger than one game.
60:20His last four games going back to week 15 of 2025 are his four highest route shares ever.
60:25Keep in mind that's without really playing the two minute drill target share in that stretch is 14.5%, which would have him
60:33ranked around RB six last year target share in all his earlier games, 6% around 50%.
60:38Here's the catch Dylan Sampson. One of my favorite buys going into this season has missed that entire stretch.
60:44Now it can continue. Samson is on IR and the schedule gets easier.
60:48Carolina. I don't think verse Pittsburgh gets too much easier.
60:51I believe they're the number one ranked defense in the NFL right now.
60:55And then of course, uh, the New York football bumbling jets.
60:59Here's, here's a concern. The running game, non-existent, uh, top seven against the run last year, the first two games, the defenses he's played.
61:06So this is a little bit expected, but 2.25 yards per carry, a 37.5 for six, uh, success rate.
61:13Uh, that ranks in the bottom two of 31 qualified running backs.
61:16It's very hard. This is like extreme O'Meary and Hampton, right?
61:20Where they do not seem to be willing to give him two minute drill stuff.
61:25That's going to rocket Sanders. For some reason we're doing the rocket Sanders thing.
61:29So God, he's a 20, 27 play for me specifically.
61:32He was really going into this year. I didn't expect this offense to do much.
61:37The offense has juice and he hasn't. Uh, I believed in the talent.
61:41I don't, I don't know. Walk me through it.
61:44Cause I w I want out. I want to be able to sit here and tell you guys confidently that I'm, I'm
61:51going to hold, but I want to hit the panic ejector seat button.
61:55He's also coming off of a shattered leg. Like people, and it's the Cleveland Browns.
62:00Like no one runs, no one runs behind that line, but he did.
62:04He had an injury last year that we thought he wasn't going to play until 2028 when, when he had the injury.
62:11And then he was just back in camp and running around and it's like, Oh, it's Quinshawn Jenkins again.
62:17Cause he looks like same thing we did with Malik neighbors, right?
62:21Oh, it looks like Malik neighbors out there. It's probably fine.
62:25Then they play in there. They're not fine. Like it's all, it's always a year after the year.
62:31Like I was fine, you know, drafting Judkins where he was like, I think he is a better talent profile and a better player than Amari on Hampton.
62:39And I said that last year when we were doing the rookie drafts, you know, like, and I didn't think they should
62:47have been so far apart based on their rookie seasons, but Judkins in a, is in hell of a situation.
62:53And he's like, he's probably just not a hundred percent right.
62:56Like that was a really bad injury. Like he had ankle surgery, you know, he just dodged, you know, knee surgery.
63:03He still had, you know, he has a surgery of a period ankle.
63:07Like he, he had the scadaboo injury, but like worse than that too.
63:11Like it was, it was a real injury. Like just think about where we were when that happened.
63:17Like we thought he was going to miss the rest of last year and all of this year.
63:23So, so I think like, I think he deserves a little bit of grace.
63:27The fact that this dude is like, you know, you know, coming off of, you know, he had a massive injury.
63:34It's just like, people look at injuries. Like if it was ACL or it wasn't that that's, that's major injury.
63:41Oh, he either had an ACL tear or he didn't, or he tore his Achilles.
63:45Those two are major injuries. Everything else isn't. It's like, no, I mean, this dude, like leg was bent, you know, the other way.
63:53So I think, I think he's probably just going to be bad all year, efficiency wise.
63:58And like next year he should be able to be good.
64:02Cause I think he, I think he's really talented.
64:05I always thought he was the better Ohio state back to it with Travion.
64:09They played together. So I'm still really into the talent, but I think it's going to be a rough go all season for him.
64:17He's a perfect rebuilder piece then. What do you think?
64:20Yeah, no, I'm, I'm right there with you. I think we need to temper expectations, man.
64:25If you were buying Judkins, you needed to fully go in that this was potentially a rental year.
64:31Like this was, this was not something that you shouldn't have been relying on him to be like an RB one or anything.
64:38And if you drafted it that way, I don't mean any disrespect, but that's on you.
64:43Like you got to, you, if you're drafting these plays, you have to draft with contingency plans in place.
64:49And so, you know, just thinking about last year, right?
64:53So Ashton Gentry, right? We, a lot of people almost started throwing in the towel on Ashton Gentry because of the abysmal Raiders offense that he was playing.
65:02Well, some of those statistics that Gentry was dealing with was an abysmal offensive line, right?
65:07He couldn't get any yards before he was being contacted.
65:10You'd get the ball and you'd immediately just get hit.
65:13And so last year, you know, Gentry actually had like 1.28 yards before contact per attempt as an average for the season.
65:20He had a few games where he had like two yards, like week four, week five.
65:25My point is our boy Judkins is at 0.83.
65:28Okay. Okay. Not even a full yard before he's getting smacked in the face.
65:33Okay. Why? Why? Because nobody respects Deshaun Watson. Nobody is threatened by the Cleveland Browns.
65:37Nobody, nobody is worried about Deshaun passing it over the top of them.
65:41A couple of the big Browns, big plays have come from busted, you know, broken tackles and busted plays where there's like no safeties deep.
65:49So as soon as like Denzel Boston breaks the tackle, there ain't nobody deep to defend him because they're all like, you guys are baseball people.
65:58You know, when you used to be able to suck up in the infield.
66:02All right. That's what everybody's doing against, against, uh, against the Browns right now.
66:07Okay. So like that pause, giant, massive pause needed on that.
66:10That is a generational pause. Skipping past it. My point is, is that you just, again, let's temporary expectations on Judkins.
66:17I am right there with you from, you know, talking about the broken leg, the injuries, all of that stuff.
66:23He's not quite the same player. He's not breaking tackles.
66:27He's not being able to make more out of what's given to him right now.
66:31He's only at a 0.08, you know, miss tackles force per attempt, but with comfortability, with healing, like that stuff is going
66:38to kind of rear its ear, its ugly head.
66:41So I am very much thinking that if, if there's a discount on him, you should go.
66:47I'd be willing to go pay it. He's kind of like damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?
66:53Like he would be, he would be holding more value if he just was on IR right now.
66:59Like, Oh, he'll come back in week five. Like he's doing more of a disservice from coming back from the injury and like actually playing.
67:07Like again, like neighbors too. It's like, if he just started on early season IR, like he would, he would be, people
67:14would still be treating him the same way. Like, and we can make a case of how he looked.
67:20He probably should have, you know, started on IR, but surely all the stuff you said about their offense and Deshaun Watson,
67:27surely number six in Tampa Bay, you know, took care of him though.
67:31Sure. It always comes back to Baker Mayfield. I will say, I'm more with you guys, but I will say on a
67:38contending team, I'm okay moving off, but it just depends on like, where are you moving off to?
67:44I guess you guys said out on the Swift and the Javante tiers of players.
67:49Etienne's been off to a really bad start. It's almost like Alvin Kamara came back and took away some of the Dinkin duck path.
67:56Regardless, if you could, what if you got a one on top of Etienne knowing that it's not going to be that
68:04bad for the rest of the year? Cause it's not with Etienne.
68:07Cause that's probably where you have to go. You're not going to, you're not going to get to go up to Javante.
68:14You're not going to get to go up to Swift more than likely.
68:19So is, is that a route you're taking if you get the one or are you just not?
68:24If you're a contending team, you're just willing to hold that six points on your bench.
68:29I would hold. Yeah. Yeah. I'm holding because I know the value is going to be greater.
68:35Even if it's not this year, it'll be greater potentially even in a few months in the off season because again, like what about Cuba Hubbard?
68:43No, no, just can't. Like RB twos at the grand scheme, like they don't really matter.
68:48Right. Like they just don't. So. But you're okay.
68:51All right. As I said, you're holding like an RB five.
68:55I know, but if you're, if you're trading him for like, you know, like those other guys you talked about, they're gonna be in the RB twenties, right?
69:04Like Judkins is another case of a player where it's like when this season ends, even if it's, you know, dog shit,
69:11he's going to be a, of two rounds higher than all those players we mentioned in startups.
69:16And I think we just have to look at that.
69:19Like as soon as the year ends regard, like Javante can go crazy.
69:23The rest of the season be RB 10. Like he's still not going to out value Judkins by March.
69:30Right. So it's like, I hate, I hate doing trades like that, that are just like in the short term and the
69:37longterm, you know, you're going to get fried on them.
69:40And if you do trades like that, like if you do the Chuba trade, like you have to be sure, like you have to be confident.
69:48Chuba is going to be RB nine the rest of the year.
69:52Like if you think that sure do it. But if Chuba is like the RB 16 and he's a cool pick, he's
69:59a cool pick for how you got Chuba. Right.
70:02It's just the same thing with Jalen Coker. It's really cool getting Chuba when we got him and how we bought him, you know, 10 days ago.
70:10But if I have to give up like Judkins to get them, like, it's kind of like, I'm like, it's like, you
70:18know, biting off your, like, I don't know, cutting off your nose to spite your face at that point.
70:24So you're not really getting anything for it. So I still like think Judkins is a dynasty asset, just like laps all those guys by a lot.
70:32And I don't want to give it up for, if I get 12 points out of those guys, like I'm pissed.
70:39I also feel like with, with Judkins, if I'm a, if I have a team that's contender and has Judkins on the
70:46roster, then I'm probably moving like a pick and a, and a, and a bench player to try to get RB two
70:53points rather than moving off of Judkins. To your point, I'd rather just sit on, sit on my bench.
70:59And then, you know, who can I'm like, can I put like Romeo Dobbs in a second and go get a Chuba?
71:06That might even be a little bit of an overpay, but like, that's kind of the tier that I would be looking
71:13to go in rather than moving off of Judkins.
71:16When ideally he'll help me towards a championship next year.
71:19It's also week two, right? So like you hold Judkins and like, you wait to see who, like everyone thinks they're a contender right now, right?
71:28Everybody looks great now. Everyone thinks they're fine. So it's like in week six, if you're true, if you're truly, if you're
71:35truly a contender, like there's difference between real two and O teams and there's O and two teams that are going to like, whatever.
71:42Right. So if you have Judkins now and you think you're a contender, like just wait and see the fake contenders and
71:49like wait till the, one of those teams aren't good anymore in five weeks.
71:54And they might have Jonathan Taylor or something. You just go add, you know, to your Judkins.
71:59Like, I don't know, like we could say like, oh, if you're a contender and you have Judkins, like, I don't know,
72:06you might not actually be a contender. So let's just like, hold on a few weeks.
72:11So hold on a few weeks first. It's funny you mentioned that book.
72:16Cause I went to look at a potential contender where I have Judkins and my other two running backs are David Montgomery, Chuba Hubbard.
72:23So it's like, how long is this going to be a contender?
72:27That's a great, that's a great point. That sounds great.
72:30You're rich. That's hello. That's hello. All right. All right.
72:33We got to get out here, but it, it is important to ask those questions.
72:38And I'm asking these questions, uh, from the perspective of fantasy managers that are sitting there at home, frustrated, looking at the
72:45game scores, wondering where all their points are. So it's important for us to ask these questions and ask these questions for
72:52everyone wondering and kind of do the round table and the back and forth and, and circulate back to where we're at.
72:59By the way, I, I didn't even look at this ahead of time.
73:04Saquon Barkley and Malik Washington for Quinshon Judkins at a 27 one.
73:07So that is exactly where we're at, where we are at.
73:11Oh, it's the other way around. Nevermind. Give me that.
73:14Give me that. You're getting the one easy. I had it wrong.
73:18Rishi rice for Junkins. Like get rice off my team, please.
73:21Stefan digs for Junkins. All right. Yeah. I'm not doing that.
73:25I would take rice over Junkins. You're a sick degenerate human being.
73:29I don't want Rishi rice at all on my rosters.
73:32Don't steer people that way. Right. Hey, he's just, he has only played against like, he's a zone beater.
73:38He lost his role to Xavier worthy. Not really.
73:41He's a zone beater though. Like he, he, he's a zone beater.
73:45Like they played two man matchups. He's his own beater.
73:48He's the new juju. Just like when he was in, in Kansas city, I'll take her.
73:53She rice over, over Junkins, like for sure. I don't even like Junkins.
73:57And one for three or one and a three.
74:00Um, yeah, he's definitely available. Eli Stowers in a two.
74:03Oh, there's a one in that one. Interesting prices.
74:0627 one. So the price doesn't even dip that far on Junkins.
74:10So interesting. It's good to have these conversations. We, uh, a lot of these players are just based off of players were
74:17asked about a lot in the fantasy points discord where I mentioned that you can join that in the link in the description is nice to be back.
74:26It's nice to ask these questions and ask it in from the eyes of fantasy managers and kind of get around table
74:33on buying and selling how things have been going.
74:36So let us know, who are you excited about?
74:39Who is the bounce back player that you are into?
74:42Who are a player that you are buying and or selling heading out of week two and into week three?
74:48Um, great episode. Nice to have Buck back. Thanks for watching.
74:52Thanks for tuning in. Remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose.
74:56And your best days are always spent tilting about Baker Mayfield.
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