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1:21The most important thing when doing a startup is getting it right.
1:25Right off the bat, we have 10 tips for you to execute a near-perfect startup draft.
1:31Lock in with us. It's Dynasty Points and it starts right now.
1:35Hello, everybody. Welcome back. Thanks for joining us on Dynasty Points.
1:39Thomas Tipple here with Jakob Sanderson and Ryan Heath.
1:42Again, a little bit different video today. We have 10 tips from us to you for having a better Dynasty startup draft.
1:50The last thing you want to do is go into a startup draft cold, especially if you're new to the game, and learn things the hard way.
2:00We've done it. We're going to help you avoid it here with this episode.
2:05I want to kick things off right away, but before we go, leave a comment below when you're done watching this video.
2:13And let us know what you've learned when doing startups and what tips we might have missed for the next time we record a tips video.
2:22And of course, liking and subscribing helps us in more ways than we can count.
2:27I want to send this right away over to Jacob with your first tip for everybody.
2:33We have three categories. We're kicking this off with preparing for the draft.
2:38Yeah, this is a key one for me, and it's mapping out the tiers.
2:43And the tiers are going to be different depending on your settings, which we're going to get into a little bit later,
2:51depending on how many teams are in it and all of that.
2:55But I go through, I look at my rankings, and I try to note where the big cutoffs are in overall value and in each position.
3:04This is especially important if you're doing any sort of derby.
3:08There's a lot of startups that allow you to have a say in what your draft position is.
3:15And so trying to figure out what you think are the spots you want to be in or the spots you want to avoid is very important.
3:25And regardless, I think being proactive about where you expect the hotspots to be and where you expect the dropoffs to be
3:32at given positions, even in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth round, is hugely important because when that teardrop is about to hit, everyone can feel it.
3:42And it's really, really hard to make value trades.
3:45If there's a run on quarterback or wide receiver or running back or any position, you can start to sense in these
3:53startups that everyone is trying to trade up and nobody is trying to trade down.
3:58But if you have a plan beforehand where you know where these teardrops are going to hit, and in the first round,
4:06you make a little move up or a little move down, and you tack on that move in round four or round
4:14five that you think is going to position you ahead of a big teardrop, you can get that before everyone else is
4:22caught on that this is going to be an important area of the draft.
4:27So map out your rankings, take a look at the ADP, figure out the areas that you think you want to be
4:35drafting in more or less, depending on where you see value, and then try to work trades early in the draft to position you into those areas.
4:45I think a big part that a lot of fantasy managers are a little stubborn with too is finding more than one source for your ADP information.
4:54Do not find one and just stick to that.
4:58Broaden your horizon. There are a lot of other tools too that other managers might get a little snarky about.
5:05Say Keep Trade Cut, for example, is a great way to use rankings, compare them, and set yourself up with your own base tiers like Jacob just mentioned.
5:15Let's hear from Ryan. Yeah, so my biggest tip before a startup draft is you want to just consider who invited me to this draft.
5:24Based on that information, who am I likely drafting against?
5:28I don't just mean literally the person if you know them in real life.
5:33I'm more mean in terms of are they likely consuming Dynasty fantasy football content?
5:38What might that content be? If this is a co-worker that invites you and you're playing against a bunch of your co-workers,
5:46maybe the likelihood there is lower or at least that there will be a few people in the league that might listen
5:53to a couple different sources of content. Is this like a fantasy points listener league or is it just a league tied to a specific content site?
6:03With that in mind, yeah, it might be okay.
6:06The takes of this site or just this universe of people might be, yeah, more so affecting the ADP, affecting the valuations of different players.
6:15Is this a league that was started on Twitter?
6:19We always joke about the Twitter wide receiver boys.
6:22Is our wide receiver valuations going to be inflated?
6:25Our running back valuations going to be deflated? Because this league is very much in like the Dynasty Twitter bubble.
6:32These are just things that I want to be thinking about anytime someone invites me to a league.
6:39When Jacob invites me to a league, I'm like, all right, I'm probably playing against a bunch of thinking about thinking subscribers.
6:47I should keep that in mind in terms of when like very Jacob coded guys are going to go.
6:53So yeah, I think that goes for any league that involves a content creator or just in general, any league that involves one of your friends.
7:03If there's a specific creator that they've mentioned before that you know they listen to, it's good to just keep in mind
7:11what are the macro, what's the view on Dynasty Fantasy Football that these people might subscribe to based on any information you might have?
7:19You don't want to get deep into a draft or deep into a league and not know that you're going to get,
7:27well, Jacob has him ranked in X. So you want to know ahead of time like Ryan mentioned.
7:34And before you do any of that, the most important part is checking your settings before you get started, before you even
7:42pay your money, before you draft, take the time to actually read through bylaws, scoring settings, whether there's voting rules or what
7:50a veto process might be, which don't have those.
7:53You think you know now, but you don't. Too many people jump into drafts assuming the league is set up a certain
8:01way, especially when someone tells them, yeah, it's pretty standard.
8:04Then all of a sudden you realize there are five point bonuses for 40 yard plays or half point per carry or
8:12some setting you had no idea even existed. And it's not just scoring.
8:17You have to be aware of what can be changed by league vote.
8:22You might join a league thinking the settings are locked in.
8:26You don't have to worry about it in the future, only to have half of them voted on and changed before the season even gets going.
8:35At that point, that may not be a league for you.
8:39It's definitely not the league that you signed up for.
8:42Be smart with your money. I think it's important to realize that dynasty is still an investment.
8:49It's something that we should be taking care of and thinking about because people play with what they can at times.
8:56And you want to make sure the league is still right for you when the draft kicks off.
9:03You don't want to also go into a draft avoiding, say the quarterback position and not realizing that it's a six point passing touchdown lead.
9:12Or if you know it's a yards per carry league, you would need to know how to adjust your rankings and tiers
9:19like Jacob mentioned to adjust to the quarterbacks, adjust to the, well, whoever the new Debo Samuel is this year.
9:27Be ready and be prepared. And you can only do that by knowing the settings thoroughly.
9:32Settings, bylaws, and everything else required to start a dynasty league has to be done right at the beginning.
9:39And don't let anyone tell you that when the league's settings start changing, it's not okay to leave.
9:46You join the league with expectations. Play the league that you're comfortable in playing with and check those settings before getting things kicked off.
9:54Now that we have the intro to dynasty startups and kind of what to be prepared for, let's move into some general
10:02drafting tips because everybody drafts a little bit differently.
10:05And that's important to think about. Jacob, what do you want people to think about when they go into a startup draft?
10:13Yeah, that's a very good question. I think a key thing that I see people make mistakes of in both directions, and
10:21I'm going to try to thread the middle here, is I'm going to say, don't draft for your week one roster, but do understand your specific league economy.
10:31And so here's what I mean by that. When I say don't draft for your league economy, or when I say don't
10:39draft for your week one roster, what I mean is you're compiling assets and value in a startup draft.
10:46You can always make trades later. And so I would not ever feel in a startup draft that you have to take
10:54a specific position in a specific round because you're filling holes across your starting lineup.
10:59That's especially the case if you're drafting in June.
11:03You're going to have two months to do trades before your year even starts.
11:08And so if you see that there's clearly a value on a certain player that you have a full tier at everyone
11:16else, go ahead and take them and figure out some of the roster holes later.
11:21My caveat to that though, and this is where I say I understand your league economy, is that I will occasionally see some drafters get stubborn about this.
11:31Maybe you're a drafter that values quarterbacks much higher than the rest of your league or devalues running backs more than the rest of your league.
11:40If you want to play into that, that's fine.
11:44But you might need to then be in a mindset of, hey, I'm going to tank for a full year because I'm
11:52going to exploit what I think is a longer term value.
11:56You can't just expect that if you're not taking any quarterbacks because you think everyone's taking them too highly or you're taking
12:03six starting quarterbacks because you think everyone's valuing them too lowly that all of a sudden, a month later, everyone else in
12:11your league is going to completely change their mind and realize that you are right all along.
12:17You have to realize that if what you're doing is something exploitative, if you think everyone else is wrong and valuing a
12:25certain position, then you're still going to have to make trades within that economy.
12:30So basically what I would say is don't worry too much about taking advantage of your starting lineup.
12:37But if you think everybody else is wrong on a given position, be prepared to have to defend that bet for a
12:45very long time because I don't think everyone is just going to immediately go and trade back with you a week later because you hoarded all the quarterbacks.
12:55That leads me to my next point. And I couldn't have said it any better to kick off than you just did.
13:03Understanding the value is important because if you're going in and drafting those six quarterbacks thinking you can trade for them later,
13:11I have to tell you, do not just draft to trade later.
13:15When you're drafting, you have to prepare for 11 other people with completely different opinions, strategies, and values.
13:21No two drafts are ever the same. That's why ADP looks different everywhere.
13:26And the biggest thing to remember is that your value is not always their value.
13:32We are not all playing the same game. You might think you're making a smart move by loading up on a certain
13:39position because the quote value keeps falling to you.
13:43Maybe you take a third, even fourth quarterback early.
13:46Ugh, not me. And on paper, that value looks good.
13:50That player is just too good to pass up.
13:53And then when you turn around and try to trade that quarterback for what you believe he's worth and the rest of
14:01the league just shrugs, that's because from their perspective, if they wanted that player at that value, they could have just taken them themselves.
14:09That's where people get trapped, playing the value game.
14:13It can be a great strategy, but only if you understand the room.
14:17If you misread the league and misread who you're playing against, you can end up with a roster full of players you
14:25drafted to flip only to realize no one's interested in paying your price.
14:30And that is a cold, lonely tag to have slapped on your chest at the start of any league.
14:37Trades are not guaranteed, so draft players you're willing to live with, not just players you assume are going to want later.
14:45It's most often the person who thinks they're the smartest one in the room that gets left behind by an evolving draft economy.
14:53And you do not want to be that smartest person in the room.
14:57So my biggest tip during a draft is going to be a little bit separate from what these two just talked about.
15:05My biggest thing is, as you're making every pick, or before you make every pick, you should consider your path.
15:13What is your year one goal in this startup?
15:16And which side of the spectrum is every pick that you make pushing you toward?
15:21Just to kind of lay out the two possibilities, you can be a contender in year one.
15:27Self-explanatory enough, you're trying to win the league in year one.
15:31Or you can be a year one tanking type of build, a productive struggle, as some people call it, right?
15:38Where you are saying, okay, in year one, I'm not going to be competing, but I am making value bets across the
15:46board to put myself into a position to be a really strong contender one year from now, right?
15:53So after our next rookie draft, I'm going to push the chips in then.
15:58I think both are viable. I think you can succeed at doing either strategy, but you need to understand that every pick
16:06you make, depending on what type of player or asset you're picking up, is pushing your team more toward one end or the other.
16:14And I do think you want to, by the end of the draft at least, have a really good idea of what path you're on.
16:23I don't think you want to have a weird mix of contending assets and productive struggle or tanking value assets, because then
16:31you are not really in a good position to do either.
16:35I think you really ideally want to maximize kind of for one path or the other.
16:41Just to give like some concrete examples here, the types of picks that are going to push you more into a contending
16:49zone are going to be early running backs, especially I'd say outside of exactly B.
16:54John Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Ashton Jinty. If you're drafting a running back anywhere within those first five or six rounds, that's a
17:02little bit of you saying, okay, I'm going to go score points.
17:07I'm going to try to win in year one because running back, yeah, just running back value is less stable from year to year in general.
17:16The time horizon is not as long. So that's one lever you can kind of pull.
17:22Another lever you can pull is just filling out a lineup for week one and just generally drafting older players that are
17:30priced more so downwardly compared to the amount of points they're going to score, right?
17:35Contending assets, older players that are going to score a lot of points.
17:40On the other end, productive struggle assets, tanking assets.
17:43These, of course, would be future draft picks that you can acquire in trade.
17:48That's something you should be trying to do if you are going the productive struggle route.
17:54Injured players or players with near-term production concerns, but longer-term like high-end talent indicators.
17:59Malik Neighbors is a really good example of that this year where, yeah, he's probably going to start slow, may not be
18:07on the field week one, but as we've talked about on a few of our different recent episodes, it could be a
18:14really good value for a tanking team this year to draft him in the middle of round two of a startup.
18:22That's like a pretty big discount on an elite talent.
18:26Somebody like a Tedaroa McMillan would fall into this camp for me where, yes, the peripherals are really amazing, but it's not
18:34super clear when those are going to turn into actual fantasy points based on his environment, right?
18:40I think Garrett Wilson was in this category for a lot of his career.
18:45Drake London was in this category for a lot of his career.
18:49In Dynasty, these assets are priced up because people, I think, correctly understand, yeah, there's some long-term stability here.
18:56This is a talented player that will score fantasy points at some undetermined point in the future, but it won't necessarily be this year.
19:04It can be really helpful to compare Dynasty and redraft ADP to kind of spot some of these guys.
19:11So yeah, just to review, with every pick you make, you want to understand, is this a contending pick or is this
19:19more of a year one tanking productive struggle type of pick?
19:23I think it's okay to pivot during a startup if you have the opportunity to pull a big trade that you're getting
19:31good value on that is letting you pivot from one path to the other, but you always just want to be aware of what your current path is.
19:41So yeah, that's my biggest thing. Just understand every asset is either going to be priced for this year or for future
19:49years and try to acquire those as efficiently as possible to serve your team's goal.
19:54Right. If you're doing your startup draft, it doesn't matter if you go super young in the first two rounds, as soon
20:02as you tap a player like Nico Collins or Christian McCaffrey because you just know they're going to score too many points,
20:10you've immediately and completely shifted the dynamics of your draft and understanding what that means for you will go a long way,
20:18especially if you're not drafting Christian McCaffrey because you know someone else in your league is going to love him more than you do now.
20:27So keeping all those things together in your mind is super important for a successful and true dynasty in every sense of the word.
20:36Now we've prepped you going in and we've given some of our tips on what to do when the draft really kicks
20:44off, but how do you structure your draft and think about structuring your team?
20:49This is usually something that takes multiple reps to get right and it is a constantly evolving conversation.
20:55The strategies from 10 years ago don't necessarily work as well today.
21:00Everyone's caught on to being tradeback demons and nobody wants to make a draft pick it feels like in the fourth round.
21:07So what do you do? How do you structure your draft?
21:11Jacob, what advice do you want to give people for setting up their structure in a better way?
21:18My take would be to be mindful of diminishing returns.
21:21So this is specifically, especially on contenders, but what I often see is Ryan just talked about it, choosing your path.
21:29I think that's very important. But I often see people take this to too far of an extreme where I see a
21:37team basically decide, you know, it's round one and they take B.
21:41John Robinson. So they're taking a running back. Round two, they come back and they take Christian McCaffrey.
21:48It's like, okay, I started running back, running back.
21:51One of them is old. So I'm now a contender and every single move that I make for the rest of the
21:59startup draft has to be now consistent with this path that I've chosen to an extreme degree to the point that I
22:07see teams saying, well, hey, I'm a contender. So that means now my 27 first, my 28 first, they're on the block.
22:15I can't consider any rookies or young players for the rest of the startup draft.
22:20And you end up seeing this team that has gone way too far than necessary in one direction where they have picked
22:2812 players in the first nine rounds because they're trading future picks and they're trading up and all of them are 28 or above.
22:37And you just don't need to do that. I talk all the time on this show and about my, on my sub
22:45stack about how your goal is to maximize the value of your team over time.
22:50And you're never going to do that if you're throwing away years of contention.
22:55That's the case if you're leaving yourself in a perpetual rebuild.
22:59That's also the case if you go all in on a really short window and then leave yourself with nothing at the end of it.
23:08Once you're already one of the best projecting teams in the league, each additional point is just not worth that much to you.
23:16No matter how hard you try, you can truly never build an unbeatable team in year one.
23:22So if you've already taken a Bijon and you've already taken a McCaffrey, maybe you've already traded away that first year's first.
23:30You probably have already done enough to boost yourself to the top of the rankings for this year.
23:37I would focus on the rest of the draft of just taking the best values available.
23:42If that means taking a few younger players who can actually be valuable assets for you after your Christian McCaffrey ages out, I think that's wise.
23:52If that means keeping some of your future picks, I think that's extremely wise.
23:57So you don't need your fourth player on the bench to be a 13 point per game starter.
24:03It would be a lot more valuable for that asset to instead be some picks so that you're not as far in
24:11the hole when your window of contention is up.
24:14I like that you mentioned trading your pick because I want to lean into that a little bit.
24:21I think you should be careful trading your draft picks in a startup, especially if you are not an experienced drafter.
24:28And I'll kind of tell you why. Before you start moving picks, you want to make sure you have as much information as possible in a startup draft.
24:39Your picks are your most valuable currency. Why? Everybody wants them for different reasons.
24:44Everyone assumes that they know what to do with them better than you do.
24:49They don't trust you as a manager, so they want to take advantage of that and sell your pick back to you
24:56at double the cost when that, oh no, I've made a mistake moment finally hits.
25:02But they give you flexibility. They give you options and they allow you to just adjust to how the draft unfolds.
25:09You can look like a contender after the first four rounds of your draft and by the time the draft is over,
25:17that same roster might be staring at a 103 in next year's rookie draft because things change fast.
25:24Players' values shift. Injuries happen. Role changes. A lot can happen before the season even kicks off.
25:30And don't even get me started on drafting based on the strength of schedule because we do not know enough at this point to do that.
25:39That's why giving away your most valuable asset way too early can really limit what you're able to do later.
25:46Now, of course, there are situations where a deal is simply too good to pass up.
25:52Jacob briefly touched on that in his point here, but that happens.
25:57But walking into a startup with the mindset of I'm just going to trade all my picks for players is not something I would recommend for most drafters.
26:07And that's especially true if you're not a hyperactive manager.
26:10Sometimes you're just not the trade guy when the league starts.
26:14Sometimes it just you don't have that chemistry with the league mates and not having your most important piece of ammunition is going to limit you.
26:23If you are not able to constantly be working trade markets, look, our close friend Tom Lee is the master of sending
26:3147 trades in every league on like every Wednesday when the end season.
26:36If you can't do that, if you are not hyperactive on trade markets, constantly checking values and staying ahead of the league
26:44curve, you can box yourself into a roster that looks good in the moment but gives you very little room to maneuver down the road.
26:53So value your picks. Be patient. Use them as leverage when necessary but do not be in a rush to just give
27:01them away because, well, the Rams do it. This is a very, very different game.
27:06I actually hate that quote. I hate the F them picks quote because it immediately leaked into Dynasty Leagues and I can
27:14tell you for the most part if you're an experienced drafter you can spot Norfolk coming before it happens and you do
27:22not want to be in that scenario not as a commissioner and certainly not as one of the other 11 players in the league.
27:31Ryan? So my biggest take on how to actually structure your Dynasty roster is going to be most relevant after round 8, round 9.
27:39Most teams have filled out or are about to finish filling out their starting lineups.
27:45We're kind of getting to that last flex to that first bench spot and onward, right?
27:51So everything I'm about to say is in respect to that part of a startup.
27:56I think the biggest mistake I see people making and that honestly the easiest kind of trap to fall into is taking
28:04the roster cloggers and what I mean by a roster clogger is especially if you are a team that's not a year
28:12one contender it is very easy to still at this later point in Dynasty Drafts look at the player list and mentally
28:20check off or cross out I should say anybody that's above a certain age, right?
28:25Oh, I'm not a contender I'm a future value team I need to keep taking young players and that's how you end up with the roster cloggers.
28:35It's how you end this is going to depend on your specific player takes but there's a certain point in Dynasty Drafts
28:43where the younger players who are not rookies are just bad bets overall, right?
28:48They're either bad bets or they have fairly low value ceiling outcomes even if maybe they're fun and kind of cool players
28:56to think about who could get better one day.
28:59A couple examples of this. I think it's really easy to fall into the trap with wide receivers under the age of 25 or 26.
29:08A Jalen Coker would fall into this for me right now.
29:12A Jalen Naylor, a guy that's been getting some offseason buzz.
29:16I love Jalen Coker. I'm clipping this and I'm bringing this back later when the coke daddy is stunting all over your face.
29:24I love Jalen Coker to be totally clear. Really fun player.
29:28He's been a guy I've been in on at different points over the last couple of seasons.
29:34I have no hate in my heart for Jalen Coker.
29:38But when it comes to I'm filling out my bench with dynasty assets that I want to gain value or to be
29:46worth something in the future, I think the Jalen Cokers of the world are not the bets to be making.
29:53Sometimes you are actually better off taking the older guy who might score some points that a tender might want someday rather
30:01than the Jalen Coker of the world who is on a rough offense, is clearly behind an established alpha in Tedaroa McMillan.
30:09Regardless of how fun a player you think he is, it's very hard to create the fantasy football upside scenario where he's a wide receiver two or better.
30:19I'd say the same about Jalen Naylor. I'd say the same about basically any year two or year three wide receiver that
30:27doesn't have any encouraging like per route data. I'd say this about a Matthew Golden.
30:32There are tons of players that fall into this for me where they seem like enticing dynasty assets because they're young and
30:40maybe they'll break out and maybe something will happen.
30:43But if you specifically cannot make the case for that player, just take the boring guy.
30:49Just take the Cortland Sutton, just take the Chuba Hubbard, like these guys that maybe a contender will want someday because those
30:57are the guys that fall in startups. But we flip the calendar over to September, over to October, over to November that
31:05a contending team might say I'll send a future second to.
31:09And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying just go draft a bunch of veterans on your tanking dynasty team.
31:16You can just draft rookies too. You can just go exclusively rookies and you're making at least more of an asymmetrical upside type of bet.
31:25Even for just because we have less information on rookies, right?
31:29Even the worst rookie profiles can hit in a big way, can gain value quickly.
31:34A running back can fall into a workload at some point in the middle of the season as a rookie and instantly
31:42have dynasty value that you can trade. Those are also good bets to make.
31:47I'm saying really the guys in the middle that seem like young and fun dynasty assets but just don't have the realistic value upside scenario.
31:56Stay away from those guys because it's just a really easy trap to fall into.
32:01Despite you completely besmirching the coke daddy, unfairly, I definitely agree with your take.
32:07Think back to all of the roster value spent on a year three Rashad Bateman or Jahan Dotson over the years and
32:14you just watch these assets that have theoretical upsides slowly dissolve into nothing.
32:19So you're probably right even about the coke daddy but at least we have best ball shares for that.
32:26That's right. Best balls for those players. 100%. For me it comes down to if I have to write four different narratives
32:34as to why a player might sort of could one day get there they're probably not a player for me.
32:41It's something that Jacob you used to talk about all the time on the very old full tilt best ball program the
32:49narrative street that you have to walk down to get a player to where you need them to be for that value to hit.
32:58I mean it's why guys like Reminder Stevenson continuously get pushed down and down farther and farther on boards Rashad White etc
33:05and they end up being a value for those who can see it.
33:10I think that there's a path both ways. The last bit of advice this is the bonus this is number 10 and
33:18we saved the most important for last. Having fun.
33:21You must have fun in the leagues that you are in the leagues that you are joining and something that has not
33:29been discussed enough in this episode is how much you need to be in constant contact with your league mates.
33:36Every league is more fun when you are in the mix.
33:40You are in the chat. You are in DMs talking back and forth.
33:45Discuss the draft. Get to know the people you are playing with.
33:49Now not everybody is a super social person. I know me myself.
33:54I'm a little bit I'm a little bit of a curmudgeon at times.
33:58You know me personally it's not hard to see but at the same time you still want to be able to joke
34:06and have fun and keep things moving in a positive direction.
34:10There's a couple things for that to remember as a responsible dynasty manager.
34:15I'll give them to you here and you guys can let me know if you agree or disagree.
34:21Ways to keep your league fun during the draft.
34:25Do not mention players until they are draft. This is corny.
34:29This is beyond aggravating. You're not creating an arms race for that player.
34:33You're not jacking the price up. You're really just creating avenues for bad faith arguments and it can really stunt relationships and drafts and trades moving forward.
34:43And Ryan we talked about something yesterday when preparing for this show today.
34:48It's the same thing about fake leveraging players and trade negotiations and having people call your bluff.
34:54It can really set a bad tone for people.
34:57Yeah I think when you're in a startup and you're trying to trade down for example and you're in DMs with another
35:05manager who might be trying to trade up. I think it's totally fine to say yeah this is my target at this pick if I don't trade it.
35:15that's totally fine to say. As the manager that is trading up they're often going to appreciate that piece of information and
35:23I think it can lead to more open lines of communication just more willingness to make deals with you.
35:30But the really important thing is that you actually follow up your words with actions.
35:35The moment you start trying to game this and tell different managers different things or try to like fake them out and
35:43say that you're going to draft this player but then not actually do it if they still don't trade up with you.
35:51You've lost all credibility. You are the manager that I do not want to trade with and I have no interest in
35:59engaging in like a lengthy trade negotiation with you because I just know you're kind of here to try to play me
36:07like a chess piece and I'm not really interested in participating in such a thing.
36:12So yeah just try to keep that in mind like we're all humans here.
36:17This is like a game ultimately about how you're communicating and dealing with humans to like work toward a adversarial goal that you have on opposing sides.
36:27But yeah we're like we're still people we still want to feel like we're being treated fairly and having fun and we're
36:35all kind of on the same page in the same realm.
36:39So yeah just don't be like a weirdo sociopath that's trying to treat people as chess pieces.
36:45Yeah I mean that was going to be that was my honorable mention is just like yeah get in the DMs chop it up with people be pleasant.
36:55I can speak from first-hand experience that like there have been people that have been extremely unpleasant towards me that I won't
37:03trade with and I have probably too many times met that unpleasantness with equal unpleasantness and shut off a potential trade partner for myself.
37:11It's something that you know we can all be better at.
37:15But like I've brought up the example in my post before I did like a post a couple years ago called Why
37:23We Trade in Dynasty and I spent like a thousand words talking about Settlers of Catan at the beginning.
37:30And like I this is particularly potent to me because my friend group won't play Settlers of Catan with me.
37:37They're not they don't allow me to play with them because I'm difficult to play with.
37:43I am annoying I pout when I lose and when other people do things that are suboptimal for them that help other
37:51people win I complain about it and I point out why they weren't following proper game theory principles and everyone likes me less.
37:59So like you don't want to be the manager that's similar to me playing Catan being like Tom you fucking moron why would you give Ryan a wheat?
38:09You know nobody wants that. I just imagine playing Civilization with you two just imagine Yeah I mean like one time I've
38:17played a lot of Civ in my life. Civ 5 specifically started the C6 lovers out there.
38:23But and one time I was like going to win but I was I guess annoying people and so everybody decided to
38:31give Paul a bunch of money so he could buy enough city states to win even though he wasn't a contender in the game just to spite me.
38:41And it was deeply aggravating and I still haven't forgotten about it.
38:46I threw a massive temper tantrum and I stand by that.
38:50I have a dynasty related situation where I remember very early a couple of guys we played with were very mad at
38:57a few other players in the league and I definitely got a layup soft serve ice cream style trade given to me
39:05and the quote after was go in the league and as a manager I'm absolutely going to take that but you also
39:13don't want to create that kind of environment. So remember and I say this in the send-off all the time remember that
39:21there are people on the other side of that screen that are also trying to enjoy themselves and have a great time
39:29because this game changed my life this game changed our lives here you don't know what it's going to do for you
39:37in the future new friends lifelong who knows but dynasty is fun we should continue to have fun while playing and leagues
39:45well they should always be fun even even if they are very competitive maybe not quite as as Jacob is in Civ
39:53but well that's a story for another day. Thanks for joining us today and remember to leave a comment let us know
40:01what we forgot let us know what you've learned so we can be better drafters in the future and continue to provide better and better content for you.
40:11That's what we're here for. Keep in mind the lives return next week first five for five of the season.
40:18I'm so excited as your two-time defending champion to be hosting this year's five for five boys start studying because week one is going to be ruthless.
40:28I can't wait gonna be excited to see Lucas back as well.
40:32Remember he's so excited and so sad we've seen some comments.
40:36You're our five for five host this year right?
40:39That's right. You won so you're our host this year.
40:43I'm glad you were listening as I was speaking in the in the outro just now that was very Scott Barrett of
40:51you but yes as your two-time defending back to back champion I will be hosting so as I said get studying Lucas
40:59is back we're back we're live it's Tuesday nights at 6 Eastern you're not going to want to miss it.
41:06Remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose and that your best days are not only spent drafting but they're always spent tilting.
41:15We'll see you guys next time.
