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Buy or Sell on Fantasy's Most Controversial Players For 2026? (Episode 1015 with Evan Silva, Adam Levitan, John Daigle, Mark Dankenbring)
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1 hr 8 min
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Aug 29, 2026
Published
Sat, August 29, 2026
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Topics
Rome OdunzeBucky IrvingMarvin Harrison Jr.Blake CorumBrian Thomas Jr.Carson BeckChristian WatsonColston LovelandCyrus AllenD.J. MooreJadarian PriceJonathon BrooksJosh JacobsKyren Williams
Player analysis
Player insights
Blake Corum
PositiveBreakout10:12
Evan Silva expects the Rams' backfield split to continue moving toward a 50-50 share, noting that Corum brings explosive potential (16% explosive run rate vs. 9% for Williams) that the offense currently lacks.
Insight pageBrian Thomas Jr.
NegativeBust47:46
Evan Silva and Mark Dankenbring both view Brian Thomas Jr. as a sell at his current ADP of 73. Dankenbring highlights that Thomas's production dropped significantly in his sophomore season, with 400 fewer yards after the catch and a role relegated to a deep threat. John Daigle suggests Thomas may be droppable by Week 7 due to a difficult early-season schedule against shadow corners.
Insight pageBucky Irving
NegativeUsage25:34
Evan Silva is nervous about Bucky Irving because Kenneth Gainwell is a coach-friendly player who received significant guaranteed money, suggesting Gainwell could match Irving in snap share.
Insight pagePositiveRole27:00
Mark Dankenbring and John Daigle highlight that if Sean Tucker is cut, Bucky Irving could inherit the goal-line role, noting Irving previously out-carried Rashad White 12-4 inside the 5-yard line as a rookie.
Insight pageCarson Beck
NegativeProjection13:32
Evan Silva describes Carson Beck as a "weak-armed pocket sloth" and believes he will be a detriment to the Cardinals' skill position players whenever he takes over as the starter.
Insight pageChristian Watson
PositiveValue21:11
Evan Silva suggests reaching for Christian Watson over DJ Moore, noting they are in a similar draft range.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveValue17:01
John Daigle and Evan Silva both prefer drafting Colston Loveland (ADP 38) over Trey McBride (ADP 30). Daigle highlights Loveland's target share efficiency and the high-scoring potential of the Bears' offense under Caleb Williams.
Insight pageCyrus Allen
PositiveValue30:12
Mark Dankenbring and Evan Silva are skeptical of Cyrus Allen's fantasy value, noting his small frame (5'11", 183 lbs) and the likelihood that he will not be a primary red-zone target or deep threat compared to teammates like Xavier Worthy.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
NegativeValue31:54
Evan Silva is lukewarm on DJ Moore (ADP 48), ranking him at 52. Silva believes Moore is on the "back nine" of his career and prefers targeting Dalton Kincaid in that draft range.
Insight pageJadarian Price
PositiveRole37:17
Mark Dankenbring notes that Jadarian Price is positioned to be the bell cow for the Seahawks for at least the first month of the season while Zach Charbonnet is on PUP, making him a strong value at his current ADP.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
NegativeProjection51:26
Evan Silva is avoiding Jonathan Brooks, expecting a two-way committee with Chuba Hubbard in a low-scoring Panthers offense. Conversely, John Daigle remains a proponent, noting Brooks's 30% target rate on routes in limited 2024 samples and the likelihood that he will serve as the primary receiving back, making him a fine pick in the 70s.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
NegativeInjury67:08
Josh Jacobs has been charged with an unspecified legal issue as of August 27th. The analysts note that rankings are being updated to reflect this news.
Insight pageKyren Williams
NegativeRole3:52
Mark Dankenbring notes that while Kyron Williams had a 60-40 carry advantage over Blake Corum post-Week 7 last season, projections now tighten that to a 55-45 split. Despite this, Williams remains a strong target in the third round due to his dominance in high-value touches, including doubling Corum's red-zone carries and receiving work (60 targets vs. 19).
Insight pageLamar Jackson
PositiveProjection66:14
Mark Dankenbring projects a big bounce-back season for Lamar Jackson, citing the potential for the offense to be more productive under new coaching influences and the need to improve upon last year's performance.
Insight pageMark Andrews
NegativeProjection65:53
Mark Dankenbring suggests there is a case to be made that Mark Andrews is 'washed,' which could potentially open up more opportunities for other pass-catchers in the Baltimore offense.
Insight pageMarvin Harrison Jr.
PositiveValue40:53
Adam Levitan and Mark Dankenbring agree that Marvin Harrison is a decent bet at his current ADP in the 70s, as the expectations are much lower than when he was a third-round pick last year.
Insight pageNegativeProjection42:14
Evan Silva notes that while Marvin Harrison Jr. has not lived up to his top-10 draft pick status, he is a decent NFL receiver. Silva is lukewarm on him, noting he does not draft him often and does not expect a breakout season, though he acknowledges Harrison has been better than his reputation as a 'colossal bust' suggests.
Insight pageRashee Rice
NegativeBust22:16
Evan Silva is concerned about Rasheed Rice's health, legal issues, and the impact of Kenneth Walker's arrival on the Chiefs' pass volume. Silva has placed Rice on his "shy away" list.
Insight pageRashod Bateman
NegativeRole63:23
Rashad Bateman faces significant competition for the WR2 role from Jacoby Lane. Evan Silva notes Bateman had a poor season last year and reportedly struggled in training camp. While a domestic violence story regarding Bateman was recanted, his hold on the WR2 job is tenuous and potentially already lost to Lane.
Insight pageRome Odunze
NegativeRole21:22
Evan Silva is below ADP on Rome Odunze, expressing concern that he will run less valuable routes compared to teammates Luther Burden and Colston Loveland, and questioning Caleb Williams' downfield accuracy.
Insight pagePositiveProjection22:32
Evan Silva believes Rome Odunze has a path to fantasy success if he scores double-digit touchdowns, noting he is built for that role, though he remains below ADP.
Insight pagePositiveUsage23:25
John Daigle notes that Rome Odunze is difficult to trust as a consistent producer due to a career 50% catch rate (102 of 203 targets) and the likelihood of being the third target behind Luther Burden and Colston Loveland.
Insight pageNegativeRole35:22
Adam Levitan is concerned that Rome Adunze will be relegated to running less valuable routes and questions the accuracy of Caleb Williams on deep passes, which could limit Adunze's fantasy ceiling.
Insight pageTrey McBride
NegativeValue13:20
John Daigle is concerned about Trey McBride's ADP (30 overall) due to the Cardinals' unsustainable pass volume last year and the potential for quarterback instability with Jacoby Brissett and Carson Beck. Daigle prefers drafting Colston Loveland (ADP 38) over McBride.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00Hello and welcome to Episode 1015 of the official Establish The Run podcast.
0:04My name is Adam Levitan and I have heard the complaints.
0:08The people are upset that the show they could not fathom living without, Market Monday, has not run in the last two weeks.
0:15So, as men of the people, we thought we would do a buy or sell kind of show here today on some
0:22of the more controversial players for the 2026 fantasy football season.
0:25Joining me today for this exercise are three young men you know and love, Evan Silva, former and current king of the Twitter streets.
0:33How's it going? It's going great. It's going great.
0:36One of my most viewed and liked tweets of this run-up was just me quote-tweeting Silva's tweet saying that he's back.
0:43Incredible. First tweet back goes viral. Anyways, does it feel good to be back, Evan, amongst the people on Twitter?
0:49I'm honestly asking. Nothing has changed. Also joining us today, the king of the season-long bros, John Daigle.
0:55How's it going today? Everything being updated around the clock every single day.
0:59As Silva said, nothing has changed. Mark Dankenbring, one of the leads on our projections team.
1:04Mark, how's it going? It's going great. I mean, talking ball with Daigle, Silva, and Levitan.
1:09What could get better than that? All right. On today's show, we are going to hit 15 of the toughest players for us to rank this year.
1:18Some are recent risers. Some are recent fallers. Some are guys getting buzzed right now.
1:22The goal here is for this to be like a Market Monday, except with four of us, and hitting on a lot
1:29of guys that we have not talked about already this offseason.
1:33Please note, for ADP for this exercise, we are using Yahoo Redraft XRank.
1:37That is the way that the rankings are set up in the Yahoo app.
1:42By the way, if you have DraftKit, you've read, hopefully, the exploiting articles for Yahoo, ESPN, and Sleeper.
1:47If you have a choice, you should want to draft on ESPN or Sleeper, not Yahoo, if you have a choice.
1:54Anyways, speaking of drafts, if you have your league draft coming up, I'm obviously biased, but I could not fathom doing it without the ETR draft kit.
2:03At a minimum, you know we put an incredible amount of thought and effort into every single spot.
2:08We haven't missed a single injury or coach quote or depth chart change.
2:12For me, just having rankings I know that are extremely solid and up to date is a huge part of the battle.
2:19And then everything else we have in draft kit, which is frankly a ton, is gravy.
2:24So head to establishtherun.com, check out the draft kit.
2:27Again, that's the draft kit on establishtherun.com. All right, let's get into it here, boys.
2:32Going to do this in ADP order. First name on the list is Kyron Williams.
2:37Current ADP on Yahoo. I'm sorry, current default rank on Yahoo is 27 overall.
2:41I know Silva argued this one on man versus machine.
2:45So I'm actually going to mark first on the inputs here on Kyron Williams.
2:49Because the first thing that people say when they say, oh, Kyron goes too high is you guys don't realize Blake Corum is going to play a ton.
2:58So Mark, maybe you can talk to people about how much Blake Corum were giving in the projections and how that's affecting Kyron.
3:05Absolutely. Yeah. And I think another claim is that Blake Corum started to take more from Kyron Williams as the season went along.
3:13So, you know, on week seven on from last season, Kyron had a 60 to 40 advantage in carries over Blake Corum.
3:20We actually have that tightened up in the season long projections.
3:23We're closer to like a 55-45 split just kind of baking in that Corum could eat more into Kyron Williams this season.
3:30But for me, you know, I'm still fine drafting Kyron Williams in the third round, which is that 27th overall ADP.
3:37And it comes down to the high value touches.
3:40So Kyron pretty much doubled up Corum in the red zone last year when it came to carries.
3:45Kyron had 51 carries inside the 20. Blake Corum, 26.
3:48Inside the 10-yard line, it was Kyron 30 carries.
3:51Corum, 16. And inside the 5-yard line, it was Kyron 18 carries.
3:55And Corum, 9. So very consistently, Kyron is getting, you know, essentially double the high value touches inside the red zone there.
4:02And then when you look at targets, it's even more skewed towards Kyron.
4:06And this includes the playoffs, but Kyron had 60 targets last season.
4:10Blake Corum had 19. Kyron had 350 receiving yards and 5 touchdowns.
4:14Blake Corum had 73 receiving yards and 0 touchdowns.
4:17So when it comes down to Kyron in terms of the high value touches, I think we're well factoring in the split here.
4:24And Kyron is certainly someone, you know, we expect the Rams to be a high-scoring top 5 offense in the NFL this season.
4:31So if Kyron's getting the touches inside the 5-yard line as well as the receiving work, I'm totally fine investing in that fantasy profile.
4:39Yeah, I mean, Rams projected to score the most points in the NFL along with the Bills and the Lions there in the top 3.
4:47The thing for me, Daigle, has been I take Brees a lot over Kyron.
4:51And I can see looking back at that and being like, I can't believe, because I think Brees is a better player.
4:58And I think Brees' role was better, both of them.
5:02But I can see looking back at that in Week 8 and being like, I can't believe that I was taking a
5:09Jets running back over the Rams feature back. So, Daigle, where are you at on Kyron here at 27 overall?
5:15Historically, Sean McVay has leaned on one running back.
5:18But it's like Mark said, before the team's bye, Kyron was at 74% of the team's backfield touches.
5:24Got eaten into after that for a 60% touch share, including the postseason, when they returned from their bye.
5:30Not to mention, to me, it's just a hard bet at that second, third-round turn because of the outlook of the offense.
5:37We expect them to score points. But when you talk about Brees Hall and the receiving backs, those are still the bets
5:44I want to make on receiving profiles. Whereas this Rams offense, and even historically under Sean McVay, but even the last two
5:51years, has finished dead last in running back target rate.
5:54They just have other options to go to. And so that's why Kyron Corum don't really get targets overall that match the
6:01other guys who are being drafted in their range.
6:04So it's still a hard pill for me to swallow in that territory.
6:08All right. Silva, I'll give you the final word here on Kyron at 27.
6:12Yeah, also a very hard pill for me to swallow, Kyron Williams, that early.
6:17I think that the pendulum will continue to move in Blake Corum's direction.
6:21The Rams need explosive plays on offense. Devontae Adams is not an explosive player anymore.
6:26You see that they just traded for Tutu Atwell, who can only do one thing, run fast in a straight line.
6:32That's why you see them hyping up Terrence Ferguson, who has some big play ability, some explosive potential as a vertical tight end.
6:40Blake Corum is explosive. His explosive run rate last year was almost 16%.
6:44Kyron Williams was 9% last year. So I think that the pendulum will continue to swing.
6:49I think that we will see a 50-50 split.
6:52And I understand that the high-value touches have gone to Kyron Williams in the past.
6:57Who's to say for sure that that will continue into 2026?
7:00I think at the end of the day, Kyron Williams is the clear favorite for high-value touches.
7:05But Blake Corum is pretty damn good and brings a dimension to the Rams offense that Kyron Williams does not.
7:12Yeah. Kyron Williams feels old to me. He's only 26 and just turned 26 yesterday, by the way.
7:18And the thing, you know, I agree with you.
7:20To me, it would make sense to give Corum more and more and more.
7:25This guy has fumbled. Kyron has. He hasn't played that well.
7:28His underlying efficiency isn't that great. And McVay just keeps going back to him.
7:33Kyron scored 15, 16, and 13 touchdowns each of the last three seasons.
7:37And the Rams are going to be among the league leaders in touchdowns.
7:41So, you know, I think from a math perspective, it's really hard not to get there on Kyron kind of in the third round.
7:49On a Vives perspective, it's really hard. And yeah, you know, it's tough.
7:53There's a lot of really good plays in that range that you can take over Kyron if you don't feel good about it.
8:00Let's go to guy number two. Trey McBride, 30 overall.
8:03All Jocelyn Brissett, of course, has been named the starter.
8:07Brissett was very, very good for Trey McBride. I do want to get a Carson Beck take from Silva because I'm so
8:14confident we're going to see Carson Beck at the end of the season.
8:18Not because I think Brissett's going to play terrible, which he might.
8:22But like their schedule at this is their opening schedule at Chargers versus Seahawks at Niners at Giants versus Lions at Rams
8:29versus Broncos at Cowboys at Seahawks versus Rams at Chiefs.
8:32If after their first 11 games, if the Cardinals are 3-8, I would consider that a win.
8:37Like I would actually consider that they're actually playing well relative to their talent.
8:42If they can go 4-7 in their first 11 games, that would be a smash.
8:46So like if their most likely outcome is 2-9 or something like that after the first 11 games, you're going to see Beck for the money week.
8:55So Evan, I'm curious what you think about Beck and then any other McBride at 30 overall thoughts.
9:01I would describe Carson Beck as a weak-armed pocket sloth.
9:04Carson Beck spent six years in college playing in the SEC, playing for Miami, like playing for national championships.
9:10I mean, a ton of starts under his belt.
9:13And he went in the third round of the NFL draft to the dumbest organization in the NFL.
9:18I don't have any kind of faith in Carson Beck being any kind of an answer.
9:24And I would view him as a detriment to the entirety of the Cardinal skill position player core whenever he gets under center.
9:31Okay. If that's the case, and you know, my non-ball, you know, non-prospect bro take was like, is he really worse than Kobe Brissett?
9:39Maybe he is. You know, if he's as bad as Silva says, you know, maybe it's the end of season schedule.
9:45The last like four weeks does get softer for the Cardinals, which has made me leave the light on a little bit.
9:52One point I wanted to make about McBride, Daigle, is that if you look at tight end ADP in a lot of
9:59these applets, we are closer in rank to Bowers, Loveland, and McBride than we are on Warren, Laporta, Kraft, Finn.
10:06In other words, we're in line on those elite tight ends, and we're way behind on our rank on that next tier.
10:13In other words, I would say that these guys are better bets.
10:16I just don't know that I want to make the Trey McBride bet, Daigle.
10:21So any thoughts on this one? I think the bet we are making at this dipping ADP is Colston Loveland over Trey McBride.
10:28That has suddenly become the discussion as the margin has gotten wider between Brock Bowers and McBride.
10:34And if that's the case, you just look at the offenses.
10:37One head coach we know nothing about, if not don't trust, after he ran Jeremiah into the ground in his first preseason game.
10:44The other coach was interviewed and said he literally wants to have an historic offense that has leads the league in scoring.
10:51So I want to bet on Colston Loveland, who remember over those last five games when he became a full-time starter, he
10:58matched Trey McBride's full season target share. I want to bet on that offense with that horrible defense that is forced to
11:05then keep their foot on the gas on the other side of the ball with Caleb Williams instead of Trey McBride in the same range.
11:13I agree with you. However, yeah, the ADP is getting closer here.
11:17So like 30 overall McBride, as I said, 38 on Loveland.
11:21There is only an eight-pick gap now in ADP between these guys.
11:25Do you still have that feeling, Daigle, that you prefer Loveland at 38 over McBride at 30?
11:30Yes, and I believe both Silva and I have Colston Loveland ranked over Trey McBride in a vacuum.
11:36Recall, because everyone talks about the volume too, the 40 pass attempts per game that Jacoby Brissett averaged last year, that's a
11:43number that's only been accomplished 10 times in the last decade, a 3% outcome.
11:47And only Tom Brady's Buccaneers have been able to sustain that volume.
11:51So now when we're talking about unsustainable volume with these individuals, Jacoby Brissett, Trey McBride, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, like you have
11:58to think then it's the overall efficiencies also dragged down from Brissett and Carson Beck.
12:03Thus, I'm just really worried for McBride at cost still, even at this ADP.
12:07All right. Let's go to our... The Cardinals last year were number one in the NFL in pass attempts and number five in sacks.
12:15They were dropping back at an insane rate. And then this offseason, the Cardinals go and use the number three pick on
12:22Jeremiah Love, a running back, and also sign Tyler Algier to a pretty decent deal, a running back.
12:28Mike LaFleur does not want to play the way that the Cardinals played last year, like not even close to that.
12:34I can speak for the Spreadsheet Socialists and Mark's team here when I say that we are factoring, like in our projection,
12:41we are not projecting to them to drop back nearly as many times as last year.
12:46Like, I don't know where we have them. I do feel kind of bad for the Spreadsheet Socialists today.
12:52They are under attack. It's early. It's early. I will say on the Cardinals, I think they're pretty interesting in-season trade targets for season-long leagues.
13:00Like, I don't necessarily want to leave my drafts with Cardinals players, but you mentioned just such a brutal schedule.
13:07And then in the fantasy playoffs, they do get the Jets, Saints, and Raiders.
13:11So I think if they're off to slow starts, you could probably get them at a discount compared to their draft day value.
13:18And then the fantasy playoffs do set up really well for them, despite whoever is playing quarterback.
13:24Yeah. All right. Let's go to player number three.
13:27I want to do two guys here, both Chiefs wide receivers, Rasheed Rice and Cyrus Allen.
13:32A default rank here is 36 on Rasheed Rice, 182 on Cyrus Allen.
13:36Silva, I want to start with Rasheed Rice. There have been, I guess I would say, bad vibes around Rasheed this preseason.
13:43He's out of jail, but there's all these videos of him maybe not running like himself, not separating from defensive backs in practice.
13:50I didn't really care about that. He doesn't separate from defensive backs in the games anyways.
13:55He runs a three-yard crossing route, catches the ball, and keeps running.
13:59So I've kind of been in knots about Rasheed Rice.
14:02I haven't been taking him a lot. I prefer other guys there.
14:06But Silva, where are you at on Rasheed Rice, 36 overall?
14:10Yeah. Concerned about his health. Concerned that the move that the Chiefs made to go give Kenneth Walker a bunch of money, that works directly against Rasheed Rice.
14:19I think that the pass volume will be down.
14:21And I also think that Kenneth Walker will just take a lot of those touches around the line of scrimmage that were being funneled to Rasheed Rice.
14:30This is not a good situation for Rasheed Rice at this point.
14:34And don't trust his knee. I mean, it sounds like he's been outplayed by Cyrus Allen, who you mentioned at the top.
14:41So love Kenneth Walker this year. Don't really want it.
14:44He's on the shy away list. Rasheed Rice is on the shy away list.
14:48Yeah, by the way, for anyone with draft kit, Rasheed Rice is on it.
14:53You can check out Silva's shy away list that went up a few days ago.
14:58This range, Mark, Rasheed Rice, Neighbors, Devonta Smith, McConkie, Zay Flowers.
15:01There are a lot of guys. So like I've been trying to nitpick because there's a lot of guys I like in there.
15:09And when I start nitpicking, I feel like I can nitpick on Rasheed Rice the hardest.
15:14So what do you think about him here? He is sinking, though.
15:17I mean, like I said, he's down to 36 overall.
15:21No doubt. And his target per outrun metrics talk.
15:23I'll give some spreadsheet socialist stats here. I mean, last year it was 32% target per outrun.
15:29That was fourth in the NFL. You know, it's around guys like Puka Nakua, Jackson Smith and Jigba.
15:35The previous season, he also got hurt, but it was at 35% there.
15:39So he is one of the league's elite target earners over the last couple of seasons.
15:44So he's kind of a guy like if you could guarantee that he was healthy and out of legal trouble over the
15:51course of the season, I do think like the third round is a pretty interesting spot because he could very well end
15:58up being a top five fantasy wide receiver. I certainly like him more in PPR formats than half PPR formats due to that target volume potential.
16:06And it's also a spot when, man, you're like, yeah, Cyrus Allen really the camp standout for the Chiefs.
16:12That's a pretty sorry place for the Chiefs receiving core to be in.
16:16You know, aging Travis Kelsey. Xavier Worthy is largely unproven still to this point.
16:21So I do think the path to targets is there.
16:24But again, I do question the health rehabbing in jail.
16:27Never a good thing for Rasheed Rice. And you have to worry about, you know, just the head on his shoulders as well.
16:34There's just so many wide receivers in this range.
16:37And one of the nits that I can pick, Daigle, is this offense just wasn't that good when it was running through Rasheed Rice.
16:45And so if I was one of the coaches, I'd be like, you know what, man?
16:50Maybe we don't need to throw the ball to Rasheed Rice 10, 12 times a game.
16:55But that's not going to be our best way to score.
16:59Daigle, any final thoughts on Rasheed Rice here? That's pretty much the argument I've been making against Patrick Mahomes this offseason.
17:05And that everyone forgot two years prior to last season, he was the QB 14 and QB 11 as a streamable option in points per game.
17:14And last year then surged higher because he averaged over five rushing points per game.
17:18It was a new career high for him. The difference is he's now coming back from a torn ACL he suffered in December.
17:26So it's really hard to then take on Patrick Mahomes, in my opinion, in his territory where he goes and drafts.
17:32Same for Rasheed Rice because all of those receivers you mentioned, I've done enough home leagues too now where I've seen Rice
17:39drafted over Olave and Nico Collins at times. And so that's also really tough.
17:44Cyrus Allen is the guy everyone's really interested in.
17:47A 20% target share and 12 touchdowns is a late breakout in his final year in Cincinnati.
17:52His ADP at least is in that range where everyone's drafting backup quarterbacks, backup tight ends.
17:57So I could see you taking that on and stashing him.
18:01And worst case scenario, you look at it as if all those players in like the last five rounds are probably going to get cut anyways.
18:09Yeah. From your roster, not from their roster. Yeah, for sure.
18:12Silva, we haven't gotten your Cyrus Allen take. Do you have any interest in a late round flyer on Cyrus Allen?
18:19No, I don't. I don't think so. I mean, I don't.
18:23Have you guys been drafting him at all? I mean, he's been going much higher.
18:27He's going too high for me in the best ball stuff.
18:31In redraft, it would take a very deep bench, I think, for me to draft him.
18:36I don't know, Mark, what do you think about taking Cyrus Allen in redraft?
18:40No, I mean, ultimately, he's 5'11", 183 pounds. Like, I don't really see him being targeted much in the red zone at all.
18:48I think the deep threats are going to be Taequann Thornton and Xavier Worthy.
18:52So I'm not really sure where Cyrus Allen fits in terms of fantasy value.
18:57You know, can he be an outlet for Patrick Mahomes throughout the season?
19:01Potentially. But I just don't see it really returning much fantasy value in terms of touchdowns and or total targets.
19:07All right. Let's go to player number four. Silva, this is one that I wanted to put on here because we have
19:14not talked about him a lot this offseason. That is DJ Moore checking in at 48 in the Yahoo default ranks.
19:21DJ Moore is 29 years old and Ben Johnson didn't want him, you know?
19:25And to me, that's been like enough to be underweight.
19:29On the other hand, Silva, I've heard this film bro take that I'm curious if you buy.
19:34Basically, the film bro take is DJ Moore is not a precise route runner.
19:38We saw that last season. He's a freelancer. He stops routes.
19:42And that was just turbo tilting to Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams.
19:46In Buffalo, Josh Allen is a wild man. He plays off script.
19:50He wants his receivers to play off script also.
19:52So that's like the film bro narrative bull case on DJ Moore.
19:56Silva, where are you at on DJM? You said that his ADP on Yahoo is 48.
20:0148, correct. I have DJ Moore at 52. Okay.
20:04So I'm just kind of lukewarm on him. I mean, the Bills pass catcher that I want at this point who I'm
20:11really pushing my chips in on is Dalton Kincaid.
20:14I'll draft DJ Moore every once in a while if he falls past his ADP.
20:19But the guy who I'm willing to go out and target in drafts is Dalton Kincaid, not DJ Moore.
20:25And I do think that DJ Moore sort of on the back nine of his career.
20:30Ben Johnson identified that. Is there a sharper offensive mind in the NFL than Ben Johnson?
20:35I don't really think so. So I think that that's an indicator as well.
20:39The Bears traded him away. Yeah. And like he goes in a range where there's if you want wide receiver there, and
20:46I often burden, Jamison Williams, Devante Adams, Terry McLaurin over DJ Moore.
20:50And it's not that I hate DJ Moore. It's just like, I like those guys a bit better.
20:56Diggling thoughts on this DJ Moore price. It's the same argument, just in a different range that I've been making against Ted Aroa McMillan and Garrett Wilson.
21:05It all makes sense, but I still have them at the bottom of that tier just for their surrounding environments.
21:11I'll even reach for Christian Watson, your flag plant Levitan over DJ Moore because he's in a similar range.
21:17So I like DJ Moore, but I just don't get much of him for that reason.
21:22All right. Let's go to player five. It is Rome Adunze checking in with a default rank of 51 overall.
21:29You know, it's not really the foot issue that has me off Adunze.
21:33It's more that I think he's going to be running the less valuable routes, right?
21:37Like Loveland and burden to me are the ones that are running the more valuable routes, especially when you think about Caleb, the accuracy issues.
21:45Everybody's like, look at the catchable ball rate at room.
21:49Well, maybe Caleb is not that accurate down the field.
21:52You know what I mean? So I don't want to rule out Rome, but he is not the guy that Ben Johnson brought in.
21:59You know, he brought in Burden and Loveland. He inherited Adunze.
22:03So Silva, where are you at on Rome Adunze here at 51?
22:07At 51? Yep. I'm below ADP on him, but I do think that there are scenarios where all of these Bears pass catchers smash.
22:14Andy Andre Swift. I mean, Ben Johnson, I know it's just coach speak, but Ben Johnson talking about wanting to set the
22:21all-time record for scoring, that's hot, man. You know, and we saw all the drastic improvements that Caleb Williams made in his
22:28second season and his first under Ben Johnson. This is the second year in the system.
22:33Luther Burden, baller. Colston Loveland, baller. You know, DeAndre Swift has like, he's had a strange kind of career.
22:39Like he keeps getting better sort of later into his career.
22:43You don't always see that with a running back.
22:46He's a better running back now than he was earlier in his career, like by a long shot.
22:52And Romo Dunze can be a touchdown guy. I think that that's how Romo Dunze gets there is if he scores like double-digit touchdowns.
22:59He's built for that. So I feel fine drafting.
23:02I've been getting him. I'm surprised that his ADP is considerably like around and a half higher than where I have him
23:09because I've been getting him a decent amount. But I won't take him at 51, though.
23:14Yeah. His redraft ADP is a little bit higher than his best ball ADP.
23:19Mark, we are well behind in our Yahoo ranks.
23:21We're at 71 overall on a Dunze against a 51 ADP.
23:25Thoughts on that? It's a spot where my heart really wants to be in on Romo Dunze.
23:30And again, like the upside of the concentration of targets in this Bears offense.
23:35But it's really hard to not make him like the third fiddle in terms of target share behind Luther Burden and Colson Loveland there.
23:42And then as well, too, like the math really struggles to get there because in Romo Dunze's career, he's only caught 102 of 203 targets.
23:50You know, that's essentially a 50% catch rate. It's just really hard to be a consistent fantasy producer with that catch rate
23:57over the course of a couple seasons. So you're betting on Caleb Williams becoming less erratic, which certainly could happen.
24:04And then I also think, you know, my biggest fear is just that Luther Burden or Colson Loveland go down.
24:10And then I really think the volume for Romo Dunze could get pretty massive there.
24:15So the contingent upside, I do think, is pretty high.
24:18And again, I want to be in on the Bears offense, but it's just a struggle there, just given Rome's efficiency throughout his career.
24:26Yeah. This is one where I'm just going to be like, if Rome beats me, he beats me, man.
24:32Like I've made my bets on Burden and Loveland and sometimes in life you got to gamble, you know?
24:38And I think Burden and Loveland are the better bets.
24:41Okay. Even at cost. Okay. Player six, Bucky Irving, 58 overall in the default ranks.
24:46This is one that I think is a really good example of how the fantasy landscape has changed over the last few years.
24:53Like people were so aware of the Gainwell threat on passing downs.
24:57They were so aware of the Sean Tucker threat at the goal line.
25:01So aware of Bucky's weird shoulder thing from last year that maybe he actually got undervalued.
25:06In other words, like everybody finds all the holes now to poke in these guys.
25:11And maybe we just lost, you know, the forest for the trees or whatever the saying is on Bucky because he has
25:18had a really nice month in terms of the way things have broken for him.
25:23So Silva, we haven't revisited Bucky in a while.
25:26What do you think about him here at 58?
25:28I mean, I have taken a position on Bucky Irving to where I am, you know, against him.
25:34We talked about him on man versus machine. Kenneth Gainwell to me is a really quarterback and coach friendly player who the
25:41Bucs gave a decent amount of money to. And it was, I think it was two years.
25:47It was two years, $14 million with $10 million guaranteed.
25:50I mean, that's pretty good money for an RB.
25:53So we know that Bucky Irving is going to get hurt in that direction from a pass catching standpoint because that is Kenneth Gainwell's strength.
26:01Now, the Sean Tucker thing is huge because we've got Pewter Report, which is like an online magazine, does a great job covering the Buccaneers.
26:09I mean, I consider them a very reliable source.
26:11They've really stated multiple times that they think there's a possibility that Sean Tucker gets cut, which the Bucs could do because he has no guaranteed money.
26:20He has a one-year, $3.5 million restricted free agent tender that contains zero guaranteed money.
26:25They can just cut him and he goes away.
26:28That would be really big because Sean Tucker, I think, had nine carries inside the five-yard line last year and Bucky had zero.
26:35Now, you know, the Bucky supporters say, oh, that could be because Bucky Irving was dealing with a shoulder injury.
26:41And that does make sense. But, I mean, I'm getting nervous about Bucky Irving.
26:46Like, I'm not going to lie to you. I haven't really started to draft him or anything like that because I still
26:53think at the end of the day, Gainwell could play just as many snaps as Bucky Irving.
26:58But if Bucky Irving gets the goal line role behind what Brandon Thorne has ranked as a top three offensive line in
27:05the NFL, Bucky Irving could score 10 touchdowns and shove it right down my throat.
27:10Yeah. I mean, relative to the other running backs in this range, and I like Swift and I like ETN, they go a little bit earlier.
27:18But I don't really like a lot of the running backs that go in this range, you know.
27:24I've been underweight a little bit on Tootin, and so I've been taking Bucky over him.
27:29So I've been getting more and more Bucky lately here, Daigle.
27:33We've also made a move in the ETR ranks and projections, just giving Bucky a little bit more of the goal line stuff, which has boosted his rank.
27:41What do you think about the recent rise of Bucky Irving?
27:45Typically, I've been checked out here of Bucky Irving and waiting till Jalen Warren, usually in like the next round or towards the end.
27:53But Bucky Irving, if he does continue to sink, it's at least a name I'll begin pondering a lot more.
27:59To this point, again, I haven't drafted him much.
28:02When he returned from injury from week 13 on, he was running a route on a third of the Bucks dropbacks.
28:09I would imagine that's why they signed Kenneth Gainwell to still take on that role.
28:13But it's like Silva said, if we also now think that Sean Tucker is going to get cut, and we'll know that
28:20in a few days here, Rashad White and Sean Tucker combined for 17 carries inside the five compared to Bucky zero last year.
28:28So now there's no equity to go elsewhere except to Bucky, and that's how he hits his ceiling or at the very least outscores his ADP.
28:36So I'm definitely going to heading into home leagues this weekend.
28:39I'm going to consider it a little more than I did prior.
28:43One of the reasons I've been trying to make the Bucky bet a little bit more is just the offensive environment for
28:50the Bucks could be very, very good. Like they could be a very good offense and get into a ton of shootouts.
28:57Baker is playing like a wild man. You know, I can see that breaking right for Bucky.
29:03Bucky, I'm not convinced on this Sean Tucker stuff yet, but we'll see.
29:07I mean, there's a lot of smoke there around Sean Tucker not having the best cam.
29:12Mark, anything to add here on Bucky before we move on?
29:15Well, I was with Silva. Like, you know, I made the high value touch argument for Kyron earlier in this whole summer.
29:22Essentially, I'd kind of been fading Bucky for the opposite reasons.
29:26You know, I didn't see much of a path to goal line work or consistent pass game work.
29:32And again, as we get closer to the season, I think I've flipped my stance there a little bit.
29:38And we'll just reiterate the Sean Tucker move is massive here.
29:41Two years ago in Bucky's rookie season, he had outcarried Rashad White 12 to 4 inside the 5-yard line.
29:47So it's not like he hasn't had that role in the past.
29:51You know, just had a couple more roadblocks last year.
29:54But I would definitely favor Bucky Irving over Kenneth Gainwell when it comes to inside the 5 or inside the 10 rush attempts.
30:01So if that's clear, then yeah, I'm going to be drafting Bucky pretty aggressively in the 5th round as we, you know, get closer to the season here.
30:10Okay. Let's take a couple more running backs in this range I want to hit on because I do think it's an
30:17important range for people that don't get running backs early.
30:2159 overall is Bayshell Tootin. I don't know, Silva.
30:23I've just been so uncomfortable on this spot, like, all offseason.
30:27And I think the reason I've been so uncomfortable on Jacksonville backfield is because I kind of see Tootin as a talent bet.
30:34If Bayshell Tootin is as good as the prospect bros say, he should, over the course of the season, run absolute circles around Chris Rodriguez.
30:42But he's still a day three NFL draft pick who wasn't that impressive last year.
30:47And so, like, the prospect bros, it's a big leap here at 59 overall because if he's not good enough, he's not
30:54going to run circles around Chris Rodriguez and expand that role.
30:57So, Silva, where you at now on Tootin 59 overall?
31:01I think we're going right back to the high-value touches stuff because Chris Rodriguez is going to get the ball in short yardage and goal line.
31:09And LaQuint Allen remains a threat in passing situations.
31:12So, what that would leave Bayshall Tootin with is a bunch of, you know, theoretically potential, you know, explosive potential between the 20s.
31:19And that might be fun to watch on TV.
31:22That's not going to get you a whole lot of fantasy points.
31:26Yeah. And also, there is the distinct possibility that Bayshall Tootin just isn't very good as a fourth-round pick who didn't even
31:33get to 400 yards from scrimmage as a rookie.
31:36I think there was, like, an assumption among a lot of people that when the Jaguars let Travis Etienne go, it was
31:43because, like, they were like, oh, so we're just going to give, you know, we're going to give this backfield to Bayshall Tootin.
31:50Bayshall Tootin has not earned that either. Liam Cohen had some sort of concerning comments about Bayshall Tootin.
31:56We want to see him take another step. You know, that's not the kind of comment that I like to hear about
32:03a running back who's supposedly, like, up and coming.
32:06I want to hear a little bit more confidence.
32:08Liam Cohen was talking about Bayshall Tootin confidently in the spring.
32:12And I think that his tune has changed a little bit as training camp has gone on.
32:17And Chris Rodriguez has been getting a ton of first-team reps.
32:21Yeah. The thing I'm most confident in is that Chris Rodriguez will be the goal linebacker.
32:26But, you know, it depends on how the flow of the game is going.
32:30But let's say there's a timeout. They have the ball at the 1.
32:35I think they're going to Chris Rodriguez. I don't want to overstate the LaQuinn Allen role.
32:40In other words, like, he might not catch a lot of passes when you're in there just to pass protect on 3rd and 10 anyways.
32:48You know, so, like, Tootin catching the ball in early downs, much like R.J.
32:52Harvey does, much like Kenneth Walker can do. I think that's in the range of possibilities.
32:57But, yeah, I mean, the concern for me is just he's not going to get the goal line.
33:03And is he good enough to separate in terms of number of carries?
33:07Mark, any final thoughts here on Jaguars and Tootin at 59?
33:11Yeah, I want to echo that. I don't think the target share is really going to be there for Basial Tootin either.
33:18You know, the Jags were 25th in running back target share last season.
33:22We talk about them as having one of the deepest wide receiver rooms in the NFL.
33:27They invested in the tight end position this offseason.
33:30Brenton Strange missed some time last year. You know, he's coming into this season healthy.
33:34So, I think there's a lot of malice to feed in this offense in the passing game.
33:40I don't necessarily see the path to Basial Tootin high-value touches.
33:43And the Jags are also the 30th-ranked offensive line by Brandon Thorne.
33:47You know, I think Chris Rodriguez brought in to be a higher success rate, kind of get those four or five-yard carries.
33:54And Basial Tootin is going to be more of a boom-bust runner.
33:58Is the boom in the range of outcomes? Of course.
34:01But I think in this range, you know, I definitely want to bet on Bucky Irving a little bit more.
34:07Jadarian Price, the next guy we're going to talk about.
34:11I just feel a little bit better investing in those two guys and their paths to fantasy relevance.
34:16By the way, Mark and Evan both mentioned Thorne's O-line rankings.
34:20Thorne did push an update. And yes, if you have DraftKid, you can see the updates that Thorne is making.
34:26He pushed an update for the Chargers losing Tyler Bia-dash.
34:29And I'll just say it's not good. It's not good how far the Chargers fell.
34:34So, I can let you guys... I haven't seen it.
34:37Yeah, he just pushed it yesterday. Oh, God. Yeah, it's not the best.
34:42All right. No, I'm not going to say... If you want to see exactly where they are, buy the Silva.
34:48Okay, fine. Still go buy the DraftKid. Buy the DraftKid, Silva.
34:51Let's go to player number eight. It is Jadarian Price, who Mark just mentioned, at 62 overall.
34:57They did shut down Jadarian Price for the rest of the preseason because...
35:01I don't really know why. He was banged up a little bit, but he's practicing in full.
35:06I actually kind of thought it was a vote of confidence for him more than anything.
35:11They know that they need him. If you watched Hard Knocks, you can see what their initial impressions were of Jadarian Price.
35:18And they are very, very strong. So, this range here, again, Bucky, 58.
35:23Tootin, 59. Price, 62. I think it's important to get right, Silva, where you at on Jadarian Price, 62 overall.
35:29Dank, were you hinting that you're kind of high on Jadarian Price?
35:33Well, I think in this range of backs, yeah.
35:36Like, at 62, you know, we're in the sixth round.
35:39At that point, there's really... I think there's a big tear break at, like, the end of the fifth, end of the sixth round.
35:46So, I have ended up taking Jadarian Price. I can make a case for it if you want me to.
35:53I'm at 57 on him. But, man, I haven't really gotten him barely at all.
35:58I guess it's probably because, like, in a lot of drafts, there's going to be a Jadarian Price big-time believer.
36:04I worry about his high-value touches, again. Charbonnet, I guess, has been making really good progress in his return.
36:10And we know that the Seahawks love that dude.
36:13They think he's the best pass-blocking running back in the NFL.
36:16He was getting goal-line short yardage over Kenneth Walker last year.
36:20And I think that Holani, George Holani, will hold down the fort until whenever Zach Charbonnet is ready.
36:26So, I just worry about the high-value touches. I believe in Jadarian Price.
36:30I think he's good. But I don't know that he's good enough to overcome getting pulled in passing situations and very potentially in scoring position.
36:38I mean, the one thing I feel best about, similar to the Searod role, is Holani will have that passing-down role.
36:44Doesn't mean it's a valuable role. Doesn't mean it's that big a negative for Price.
36:49But Holani will have the passing-down role. And then once Charbonnet gets back, he will.
36:54I do think Charbonnet is going to start on Pup.
36:57There were some rumors originally that Charbonnet might avoid Pup.
37:00I think he will start the season on Pup and miss the first four games for sure.
37:06And then try to push for, like, a late October, early November kind of return.
37:10Mark, any more thoughts here on Jadarian Price? Yeah, we had news today, too, that Emmanuel Wilson could very well end up
37:17on short-term IR with a hamstring injury. So when you look at the Seahawks' backfield, it's Jadarian Price versus George Holani.
37:24And sure, Holani played down the stretch for the Seahawks last year, came back from injury, played in the Conference Championship and
37:31the Super Bowl, and is certainly valued by the Seahawks.
37:34But I think just in terms of, like, am I worried about Jadarian Price competing with George Holani for touches?
37:41No, I'm not Jadarian Price first-round pick here for the Seahawks.
37:44And I think you're going to get a month-plus of Jadarian Price being the bell cow in this offense if he, you know, shows out and plays well.
37:53Like, I think he will go into the Kenneth Walker-Zach Charbonnet split role, you know, where he's the Walker this season.
38:00And he's going right now as the RB 26 in drafts.
38:03Last year, Kenneth Walker finished as the RB 28.
38:06So I think you're almost getting, like, a free roll of Jadarian Price for the first month-plus.
38:12If he can play well, you know, have fantasy success early on, then he could potentially earn more of a split than Kenneth Walker.
38:19But I do agree. Charbonnet is a thorn in the side, like, as he comes back.
38:24But just given the price that he's at, you know, no pun intended here on Jadarian, I think it's a good bet in fantasy.
38:32I think he's going to be a great early season start.
38:35And then, you know, who knows what happens with Charbonnet, too, as he comes back from the ACL.
38:41There can be compensation injuries. It's not just, like, guaranteed that Charbonnet is going to come back, hit the ground running as,
38:48you know, a fully productive back that he had last year.
38:52Well, part of the bet, too, Daigle, is let's just say Jadarian Price is awesome and just goes and blows the door
38:59off for the first month or the first six weeks.
39:02And they're like, oh, my God, we have to give this guy 15, 16, 17 touches a game no matter what.
39:09You know, that seems unlikely considering the way they handled Kenneth Walker, but maybe more of the success rate stuff with Walker won't be there with Price.
39:17Daigle, any final thoughts on Jadarian Price? As the individual on the show who has been down on Jadarian Price this entire
39:24process, I would also be ignorant to just completely ignore the fact that there's nowhere else to go with touches now that
39:31Emmanuel Wilson could open the season on PUP2. So, you get a pretty much, as they talk about in the FFPC leagues,
39:38like a free look on Thursday night. You get that with Jadarian Price for basically six games.
39:44So, sure, like, in this range, he's become much more palatable.
39:47Okay. Daigle, Tootin or Jadarian Price for you? Tootin still.
39:50Oh, see, we can't have the Tootin Hive coming after us.
39:54We have to have someone on here to say something positive about Tootin.
39:58The Tootin Hive will be all over us. All the points, you didn't come to be on Tootin, so I was holding, I was biting my tongue.
40:06All the points everyone made is completely fair, but it's a wide range of outcomes.
40:11Even the not having goal line carries, do I believe he's going to have goal line carries?
40:17No. But also, he finished sixth in success rate among all running backs last year because Liam Cohen just saw him, Tootin,
40:24punch four of six carries from inside the five in for scores.
40:27Like, he is more than capable. He's already proven of having that role, too.
40:32Not to mention, if we remove last year and just get a big picture view of his college profile, he still had
40:39a double-digit target share for his entire career. So, again, why Windrub Outcomes here?
40:43But as an athlete, a bet on talent, I still want Tootin overpriced personally.
40:48All right. Let's go to player number nine. It is our old friend, the Marvin Harrison one.
40:53Mazda Marvin Harrison at 68. I wanted to make sure I brought this up because I've actually been drafting some Mazda this
41:00year, and I didn't want, I wanted to get on the record here before I win something big, which I'm going to win.
41:08I better win something big this year with Marvin Harrison.
41:11I want people to be like, you said you were completely out on the Nepo baby, Marvin Harrison.
41:16I have been taking him at this falling cost here, Mark.
41:20The Nepo baby. I take Marvin Harrison. When he gets into the 70s, I actually think he's, like, a decent bet there.
41:27One of the reasons it was so easy for me to have 0% last year was because he was going to the third round.
41:35Like, the bar to clear in the third round is way different than the bar you're clearing in the 70s.
41:41And so, yes, like, for a player with this kind of prospect profile in college, we have not seen it in the NFL.
41:48But in the 70s, it's something that I've been willing to take a bet on.
41:53So, Mark, any thoughts on the current Mazda price?
41:56Well, yeah, when you say we haven't seen it in the NFL, it's just because of the extremely high expectations for Marvin Harrison.
42:03And, like, looking this offseason, you know, doing research for the Establish, the Edge pods, I was pretty blown away by what
42:10Martin Harrison has actually done in the NFL to this point.
42:14Through his two seasons, he has a 21% target per outrun, 7.9 yards per target.
42:19And he has scored 12 touchdowns on 189 targets, which is a 6.3% touchdown rate, which is quite good for wide receivers.
42:26So, he has not lived up to, you know, the top 10 draft pick that he was selected as in the NFL.
42:33But I do think he is, you know, a decent NFL wide receiver.
42:37And I mentioned in the – I think there's a pretty big tear break at the end of the fifth round, into the sixth round.
42:45So, Marv is not necessarily a guy that I've been drafting a whole lot of.
42:49I don't think the upside is necessarily there. I mentioned, you know, I don't want to invest in this Cardinals offense in general.
42:57So, no, I'm not out here claiming like I think it's going to be a breakout season for Marv.
43:03But I do think he's been a better NFL player than most people would expect or think.
43:08Yeah. It's funny. That's exactly what Matt Harmon said when we had him on the show.
43:13And you use data to back it up. And he's, you know, watching the dudes run their routes.
43:19And he turns it into metrics. But that's the exact same thing that Matt Harmon says.
43:24He has a reputation that he's just like this massive, colossal bust.
43:28And he hasn't been that bad. And at the end, like I'm lukewarm on him.
43:33Like I don't even know where to go with him.
43:36I don't really draft him like at all. But it's interesting that those two opinions are the exact same.
43:42Yours, Dank, and Harmon's. He had, okay, he didn't have a single 100-yard game last season.
43:47Marvin Harrison's son didn't. And in his rookie year, he had one half against the Rams where he went completely nuclear.
43:54So, you know, I'm not going to say that he's been good or anywhere near it in the NFL.
44:00I'm more relying on the prospect profile as a reason to take him in the 70s.
44:05Like, you know. Marvin Harrison's son. Marvin Harrison's son you can claim has been good in the NFL.
44:11I have two eyes. He has not been good in the NFL.
44:14Okay. All right. Go to player number 10. This is one that I would have been hitting on Market Monday.
44:21Same with Bucky and a bunch of these other guys.
44:24But it is Travion Henderson who has lost all of his steam here lately and is really sinking now.
44:30I mean, this is at 69 on Yahoo. Would not shock me if by the time people are drafting this weekend, Travion
44:37Henderson is going in the 70s or the 80s.
44:40Silva, are you interested now in catching perhaps the falling knife on Travion Henderson?
44:44Abso-friggin-lutely. Absolutely. And I thought that Daigle actually had the best summation of Travion Henderson that I've heard the entire offseason.
44:51It's like, we're not going to start Travion Henderson in week one, you know.
44:55But we're going to bet on the talent here as a player who was drafted within the 30s and had a, I
45:02mean, a very productive, from a box score standpoint, rookie season, very productive.
45:07But we're just going to bet on the talent and we're not going to count on him as our week one starter.
45:14But there's a good chance. I mean, he has like league winning upside.
45:18Like, let's not forget, you know, what this guy is capable of.
45:21I mean, he is a big time home run hitter.
45:25He can catch passes. He was an awesome pass blocker in college.
45:28I know that that doesn't always translate. It hasn't translated here.
45:32But he's got a huge, huge ceiling. The concern, I think, Daigle, is the preseason reports have all been Ramondre's ahead, Ramondre's
45:39ahead, Ramondre's ahead, Ramondre's outplaying him, Ramondre's outplaying him.
45:42It's been like relentless. I mean, even Thorman, who I consider very rational, Thorman is like, Travion Henderson's the worst pick on the board.
45:49I was like, Thorman, take it easy. I don't think he's the worst pick on the board where I do think, like, I was uncomfortable in the 50s.
45:58I'm a little uncomfortable in the early 60s. Once you get into the 70s and 80s, you can start to do the
46:05thing that Daigle said where, okay, fine. In the 70s, 80s, he's not going to be a starter for me.
46:12In the 50s and 60s, I want you to be a starter for me out of the gate.
46:17So anyways, Daigle, thoughts on Travion Henderson here? I still think he's a great pick with the highest ceiling possible of all the backup running backs.
46:26You can't ever cut him because the moment you cut him, every other manager in your league will try to pick him
46:33up because they also know his ceiling. And there are just so many things that happen.
46:38The NFL season is such a long one that I still think it's a great pick, honestly.
46:43And you stash him. Again, you're probably not starting him in week one against Seattle.
46:48But that's fine because we know the upside he has even on our benches.
46:52All right. Let's go to... I was in a draft last night, an FFPC main event with JJ, Rebar, Thorman, and Davis Maddox.
47:00And Travion Henderson made it to one pick before us at the 6-7 turn.
47:04And that's a sort of running back heavy format.
47:07I mean, there's a lot of boomers in there.
47:10And Travion Henderson lasted to the pick right before us at the 6-7 turn.
47:14We were going to take him, by the way.
47:17And Thorman was on board. So there is a certain point at which Pat Thorman is willing to take Travion Henderson.
47:24But you're right. I mean, his ADP has collapsed.
47:27Yeah. And the FFPC drafts, for anybody who doesn't know, you can start four running backs if you want because there's two flex spots.
47:35So that makes running backs more valuable in those kind of formats for sure.
47:39Let's go to player number 11. Also in the Marvin Harrison range, a wide receiver is a tough one for me, Brian Thomas Jr.
47:47here at 73 overall. The market reacted a little bit to the news that I thought was important that Brian Thomas plays
47:54X and Travis Hunter has been practicing exclusively at X.
47:57I thought that was an important note, but he hasn't dropped that much here, Evan.
48:02What do you think about Brian Thomas Jr. here at 73?
48:05I'm just, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.
48:08The only pass catcher for the Jaguars that I'm looking at at this point is Parker Washington.
48:14And he always goes a little, often goes a little bit before I'm willing to take him.
48:19There's four receivers here in play. There's two tight ends here in play.
48:23I mean, there's three running backs here in play.
48:26Like a lot of different personnel package diversity potential for Liam Cohen.
48:30And I just, I don't think there's going to be a guy that we can rely on whatsoever week to week with the exception potentially of Parker Washington.
48:39I just, I'm not interested in Brian Thomas this year, especially in the 70s.
48:43Mark, any thoughts for you on BTJ here at 73?
48:46I agree. BTJ is a sell for me. I think one of the biggest stats that I can toss out here for Brian Thomas Jr.
48:54illuminating like the difference between his rookie season and his sophomore season is in his rookie season, he had 400 more yards
49:01and yards after the catch than he did in his sophomore season.
49:05And last year, you know, he was kind of relegated to more of a deep threat role.
49:11His ADOT jumped three yards compared to his rookie season.
49:14And the Jaguars over the last 12 games had the third highest average depth of target in the NFL.
49:20So they were trying to push the ball down the field.
49:23Brian Thomas Jr. could still not produce in that role.
49:27I just think the layup targets and touches for BTJ are not going to be there in this offense.
49:33They tried him out in that role early on in the season and he floundered.
49:37You know, there was those targets across the middle where he like short-armed it against the Bengals and it turned into an interception.
49:45And then he was just relegated to a deep threat down the stretch of the season.
49:50And so I don't really see the volume case there for BTJ.
49:54Sure, is the talent there? Yes, I think it is.
49:57You know, I'm still a believer that he's a freak athlete and it could be there with elevated volume.
50:03But I just don't necessarily see the path to more than like four or five targets per game.
50:09Yeah, and this role in the NFL continues to be a role that is valuable to teams but maybe not valuable to fantasy.
50:16Guys who run very deep. Tactical value. Yeah. Not box score value.
50:20Exactly. And I know you guys talked about that a ton on the ETE pods.
50:24But, you know, guys like Alec Pierce or Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas are worth more to their teams than they are in fantasy.
50:32Daigle, any final thoughts on Brian Thomas Jr.? I put this note in our team previews under the Jaguars for subs.
50:39And it's that the Jaguars this year opened up against the Browns, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, Bengals, and Texans before their week seven bye.
50:46All of those defenses have shadow corners and allowed collectively 41.5 yards per game to opposing wide receiver ones.
50:52My take that I've heard no one else say, I think Brian Thomas is getting dropped in week seven over the Jags
50:59bye because he's basically unusable to that point. So I think you just swoop in and week seven will reiterate it when
51:06it comes around to that time and season and try to trade low for the Jaguars and even pick up Brian Thomas then.
51:13These are the kind of season-long bro takes that I am here for.
51:18Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Okay.
51:20Let's go to player 12. One of the most controversial players of this fantasy season has been Jonathan Brooks.
51:26Looks like the ADP or the default rank is going to settle in in the 70s here.
51:32It's at 76 on Yahoo. At one point, you could get him at 130 or 140.
51:37His preseason Silva, he's looked healthy. You know, he's been practicing.
51:40The knee seems like it's fine. He has not been productive in preseason games.
51:45I don't know that that matters at all. Meanwhile, Chuba Hubbard, the reason that one of the reasons the ADP spiked so
51:52hard was Chuba Hubbard pulled his hamstring. Sounds like Chuba should be back for week one though.
51:57So Silva, 76 overall here on Jonathan Brooks. What do you think?
52:01Nah, wave. I mean, I think that regardless of what happens, how, you know, maybe the Panthers surprise a little bit offensively
52:08or you think they're going to be terrible. Like I think it's going to be a two-way committee on a team that
52:15isn't going to score very many points. Like Chuba Hubbard is not going to go away.
52:20Jonathan Brooks could end up out touching him, but Chuba Hubbard is going to be involved.
52:25He's a team captain. He's going to be in their pass protection.
52:29I don't want either of them. Yeah. I know Daigle is one of the Jonathan Brooks.
52:34I love it when I'm in a draft and other people take them because that means that somebody else is dropping to me.
52:42Yeah. I mean, this range here, Daigle, you get Jonathan Brooks in this range.
52:46You get Rico Datil. You get Jalen Warren. You get Tony Pollard.
52:50And now you're starting to get Travion Henderson in this range here.
52:54Also, I know you've been in Jonathan Brooks Bowl this offseason.
52:57Where are you at right now? Final ADP is probably going to be in the 70s.
53:02I still think he's a fine pick here. Travion and Jalen Warren, I have higher personally.
53:07But when we talk about the outlooks to having a ceiling in this range, Jonathan Brooks, we still believe is going to
53:14be at the very least the receiving back in Carolina.
53:18The three games he overlapped with Chuba Hubbard, a very small sample back in 2024.
53:22He was targeted on 30% of his routes, not to mention the Panthers are opening at least week one, probably longer than that without both their starting tackles.
53:31So it's just a really bad range for Chuba Hubbard because the early down carries really aren't probably going to be successful
53:38or efficient in Carolina to begin the year. So I still think Jonathan Brooks is a good pick.
53:44All right. Fine pick. Mark, any final thoughts on Brooks before we move on?
53:48Nope. All right. Let's go to player number 13, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt.
53:52This has been a late riser and one that I also would have covered on Market Monday because Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt was going in the 120s.
54:00I'm seeing a Yahoo default rank now of 86 on Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt.
54:04I think one of the reasons he's been rising is, I'm not exaggerating, camp videos of him catching the football.
54:10Like, and this guy has had no pass catching role anywhere.
54:14There are videos out there of him catching the ball in camp.
54:17I don't think that matters at all, but I do think it's affected his ADP.
54:22Silva, where are you at on JCM at 86?
54:25I think that Rashad White is going to out-snap Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt on the season.
54:29Definitely. That doesn't mean that Rashad White is going to kill in fantasy or anything like that, but I think that he's
54:36going to end up really hurting Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt's fantasy value.
54:40And Rashad White, in Tampa Bay, one of the reasons that the Bucs like to play Rashad White because he's so good
54:47in pass protection, and the commanders are going to need that, especially after losing Laramie Tunsil.
54:52I think that Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt was one of the biggest losers from the Laramie Tunsil injury.
54:57Yeah. I know we made some moves in the projections, Mark, after the Tunsil injury.
55:02I do think Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt is just like a very good runner in the right setups.
55:07How many right setups are you going to get with this offensive line on this commander's team?
55:12And then if they're bad, you're going to be in real trouble because we know they're going to play Rashad White.
55:19So the ADP has gotten away from us a bit here.
55:22I actually thought he was a really good click at like 120, 110.
55:2686 is a bit tougher for me, Mark. Where are you at on JCM?
55:31I'm in the same boat in that the price now seems a little too rich in the 80s.
55:37You know, I've gone back and forth multiple times just on the path to high-value touches.
55:42I'm not a buyer in the off-season narrative that he's going to catch more passes.
55:46You know, Daniels has close to a 13% scramble rate in his career.
55:51He's going to scramble rather than dumping it off to JCM.
55:54You know, I think Rashad White is going to be in more of the obvious pass-down situations.
56:00I will say like Jerome Ford being out for the season, you know, there's another body down that JCM could maybe get into more pass game scripts.
56:08Jeremy McNichols is also injured and it may seem like throwaway names on Ford and McNichols, but they were legitimate, you know,
56:15roadblocks to JCM playing more pass-down snaps. So, man, it's tough.
56:19You know, I expect Rashad White to be the goal lineback and then I don't expect JCM to catch many passes.
56:25So in the 80s, you know, that's just a price that's a little too rich for me right now.
56:31Yeah, agreed. Dagle, anything on JCM before we move on?
56:35The Lammy Tums' injury certainly hurt because I've been on merit all offseason.
56:39Still an explosive player. His rate of 10-yard carries finished between B.
56:42John Robinson and Derek Henry last year. Naturally, we do just want to bet on sophomore running backs who are starting.
56:49But, yeah, the receiving outlook probably looks like it got worse since they need the pass pro.
56:55All right. Did you guys hear Dagle call Jacory Krosky merit merit?
56:58Yeah, they're – Yeah, I've never heard him called merit before.
57:02Bill, JCM, Jacory Krosky merit never merit. I was on a roll.
57:06So that's a first. I didn't stop. I didn't stop.
57:09I was just on a roll. They're close personal friends.
57:12And also, for those who don't know, after Dagle's pronunciation, they're Troy Merritt, Journeyman Golfer, and Jacory Krosky Merritt are actually brothers.
57:19So little known fact. Okay. Two left. Player 14, Casey Concepcion.
57:23This was a request for us to talk about from ETR CEO Taylor Cabe, who, by the way, has his auction draft this weekend.
57:30And a lot of our content is just so that Taylor can be prepared for his specific auction draft.
57:36You may have seen we've beefed up our auction coverage.
57:39That is because Taylor himself plays auction drafts. So anyway.
57:43Stop everything. Taylor's draft is coming up. Stop everything.
57:46Taylor has a draft tomorrow. We need to talk about Casey Concepcion.
57:49At one point, Casey Concepcion was going in the 130s.
57:53Now we're at 105 on Casey Concepcion default rank.
57:55So I know you've gotten higher Concepcion lately and lower Denzel Boston.
57:59How do you feel about this price on Concepcion 105 overall?
58:03Dude, I just did a show right before this with Pat Corrine and Eric Bimefor.
58:07And we went back in. You know how I talk about sometimes there was like this Roto-Viz article that talked about wide
58:14receivers with like really strong returner stuff. You know, yeah.
58:18The YouTube commenters get on my ass. Oh, Josh Cribs?
58:21Devin Hester? Yeah, what about like Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown and, you know, Des Bryant?
58:26Tyree Kill. Tyree Kill. I mean, the list goes on and on.
58:30It's not that all return guys become great receivers.
58:33It's that it's a positive indicator when you have a receiver and you look back at their resume and they were killer on returns in college.
58:41Casey Concepcion was the best return man in the nation last year.
58:45Okay? He won some award for that too, by the way.
58:48And we went back and we looked at the articles.
58:51John Moore did it on Roto-Viz in 2015. It's an incredible article, man.
58:56I mean, and it's so prescient. Yeah, it was the first guy.
58:59It was highlighting Antonio Brown. And Wes Welker was in the title.
59:03But, like, I'm all in on Casey Concepcion. I mean, I moved him up to where he's – I mean, if you
59:10were using my rankings, you were going to get Casey Concepcion.
59:14I think he's – and also, if you look – all right, so I love that the Browns are just – they're not messing around.
59:22They're going to play the kids. Denzel Boston is going to start.
59:25Casey Concepcion is going to start. Denzel Boston, his college profile did not indicate – it was not indicative of a player
59:32who's going to be a high-volume player in the NFL.
59:36And I think that Casey Concepcion is going to run the high-percentage stuff.
59:40And that's the way that you get him the ball because he's so good with the ball in his hands, which is
59:47reflected in how awesome of a return man that he was in college.
59:51And with this shoddy quarterback play that we have in Cleveland, we want the guy who's going to be running the high-percentage stuff.
59:58And that's going to be Casey Concepcion. All in on Casey Concepcion.
60:02I want to get him in every single draft until September 13th.
60:06Okay. Let me tell you, Silva, what the pushback is going to be on this.
60:11It is going to be that the quarterback play in Cleveland is so bad that there is not a ceiling here.
60:17And you combine bad quarterback play. And by the way, Penix – Penix.
60:21Shadur and Deshaun Watson were like last and second-to-last in EPA per play last year.
60:26They were like the stone-cold worst. And then you also throw in Cleveland weather in December is just absolutely awful.
60:33What is the ceiling on Casey Concepcion given those two factors?
60:36It's going to be the pushback. I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree.
60:41But I just question what the ceiling is in this environment.
60:45Any – I don't care. I'm drafting him. Go ahead, Dagle.
60:48In drafts, when you hammer out that great wall of wide receivers between rounds three through six, three through seven, a lot
60:55of the times you only need to tack on one more because you're asking yourself in draft, like what is the path
61:02then for this late receiver to actually start in this lineup at some point since I've used the elite capital already at that position.
61:10And that's why I think a lot of people in your league will be shocked or confused why you draft Deshaun Stribbling and Casey Concepcion so high.
61:18But those are the guys we talk about that have that ceiling that actually then can step in as your wide receiver two or three in a pinch.
61:27Not only that, but I don't pay much attention to preseason.
61:31I ignore a lot of it. But Concepcion against the Bears when the starters were out there getting an end around at the 10-yard line.
61:39A guy that rushed for 430 yards and two touchdowns in college.
61:43Like then Todd Munkin comes out after the game and says, we are going to do whatever we can to get him the ball.
61:50Yeah. It's not the same kind of player, but it really reminds me of Jaden Reed's rookie year, how they saw it.
61:57And they were like, we're going to get this guy on the field no matter what, because he's one of our most explosive players.
62:05So I definitely want to draft those two rookies in particular everywhere.
62:09And I like betting against Jerry Judy and betting on a first-round rookie and betting on Todd Munkin.
62:14Like, I like that. This price is getting to a spot where you would have to take Concepcion in the same range as Stribbling, Matthew Golden, Makai Lemon.
62:23Like, I definitely take Stribbling and Golden over Concepcion for me.
62:27Not that I hate Concepcion. It's gotten expensive. Mark, any final thoughts here on Concepcion?
62:32I wish Joe Flacco still played for the Cleveland Browns.
62:35That could be a saving grace. Man, it is really tough to see the path to consistent quarterback play for them.
62:41But I think Concepcion, I think the volume and talent is going to be there for him.
62:47So if he can eke out four to six touchdowns across the season, I think he's going to smash at that ADP.
62:54But the Browns are implied for the lowest team total across the entire season.
62:58So that's the tougher path. But again, he's going to get the opportunity.
63:02He has the talents. I'm willing to bet on that in the 10th round.
63:07Silva, Matthew Golden or Concepcion straight up? Concepcion. All right.
63:10I agree. I like both. I do like both.
63:13Last one here has been a very late rise.
63:16It is for deep league people. Jacoby Lane is just smashing at Ravens camp.
63:20He is up to 189 in the Yahoo default ranks.
63:23He got some more wind in his sails than Jacoby Lane when a story came out that Rashad Bateman had a domestic violence issue.
63:31That story has since been recanted. I don't know that Rashad Bateman is going to face anything off of this.
63:37At this point, I kind of doubt that he will.
63:41In other words, Jacoby Lane is going to have to beat out Rashad Bateman for that wide receiver two job, which maybe he already has.
63:49You know, I mean, it's possible. Maybe he already has.
63:52Silva, any latest thoughts here on a late flyer on Jacoby Lane?
63:56Yeah, I drafted him for the first time last night.
63:59You know, a big tall. He's six. He's almost six foot five, 200 pounds, a big clasher.
64:04I heard Derek Klassen on the athletic podcast compare him to T Higgins.
64:08You know, Jamison Hensley, who's covered the Ravens for 27 years.
64:12My Sleepers article is going up tonight. And Jacoby Lane is, I think, the last guy on there.
64:18Jamison Hensley has covered the Ravens for 27 years.
64:20He said that he's never seen a player have that kind of a training camp that Jacoby Lane has.
64:26Now, we said that on August 8th. And we're, you know, several weeks past that.
64:31So I don't know if he's necessarily continued that.
64:34But Rashad Bateman did not have a good season last year.
64:38Apparently was not having a good training camp. So, you know, and Declan Doyle.
64:42Like, you know, if Declan Doyle turns around Lamar Jackson, Declan Doyle will be the youngest NFL head coach in league history next February.
64:50And I think that he should open everything to competition.
64:53And, yeah, I think that we see in week one, I don't know that Jacoby Lane starts.
64:58But I think we'll see him get snaps. And maybe they'll ramp him up as the season progresses.
65:04Agreed. I mean, if he keeps playing like this, he's going to beat out Rashad Bateman.
65:09I more question what is the wide receiver two in Baltimore actually worth.
65:13I will say this. I'm like workshopping a take that Harbaugh is kind of like the game has passed by Boomer.
65:20And this new Declan Doyle thing could actually like really ignite the Ravens.
65:24Like that's at least in the range of outcomes for me.
65:28Mark, any more thoughts here on Jacoby Lane as a late flyer in deeper formats?
65:32Yeah, I initially had him listed as sell on my sheet here.
65:36But I think Silva swayed me a little bit.
65:39You know, I will just say like the pass volume in Baltimore is a huge negative.
65:44Over the last four seasons, they finished 32nd, 31st, 30th, and 28th in total pass attempts.
65:49So I do think he has to beat out Rashad Bateman.
65:53But, you know, there's a case that Mark Andrews is washed.
65:56And I certainly think like Jacoby Lane, where he goes in drafts is totally fine to tack on at the end and
66:03see how the first couple weeks of the season goes.
66:06You know, if this preseason hype translates at all, I think he's a worthy kind of late round stash the more I think about it.
66:14And I do think this is going to be a big bounce back season for Lamar Jackson, given how last year went.
66:21And so I kind of want to bet on that, you know, combination being fantasy fruitful.
66:26The Ravens ran over 100 fewer plays from 11 personnel than the next closest team.
66:31Even if that changes a bit, then we're talking about getting Jacoby Lane on the field more often.
66:37And remember, this team just lost Isaiah likely to a competent tight end too.
66:41So there's there's a wider path to him playing a lot more at a range and redraft where, again, these are the
66:48shots we take because most of these players are going to be cut or streamers.
66:53Anyhow, there's a wide range just to him getting on the field.
66:57That's a positive. All right. We have covered 15 players here today.
67:01Hopefully that helps you guys get set for your final drafts.
67:04By the way, we were recording this on Thursday, August 27th.
67:08As you were recording, Josh Jacobs news did come down that he has been charged not with a felony or misdemeanors.
67:14But obviously we're working on all information there and rankings are always updated for news like this.
67:20All right. Good luck in your drafts. Get out there.
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