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Fantasy Football Risers & Fallers You NEED to Know Before Your Draft (08/31 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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1 hr 9 min
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Aug 31, 2026
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Mon, August 31, 2026
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Josh JacobsAlec PierceChris GodwinLuther BurdenNajee HarrisTravis KelceBucky IrvingChris BellChris BrooksChris OlaveChristian WatsonEmeka EgbukaJared GoffJayden Daniels
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Alec Pierce
NegativeRole35:23
Alec Pierce is back at practice and healthy, moving him back into the top 100 rankings. However, the source is less optimistic about him commanding a massive target share compared to earlier summer speculation.
Insight pagePositiveDepth Chart175:20
Alec Pierce being cleared and ready to go negatively impacts the fantasy outlook for other Colts receivers, specifically Keenan Allen.
Insight pageBucky Irving
NegativeUsage173:42
Bucky Irving faces 'trap back' risk because he had fewer carries inside the five-yard line than Sean Tucker and Kenneth Gainwell last year; he may be limited to an early-down, between-the-twenties role.
Insight pageChris Bell
PositiveSleeper53:48
Chris Bell is a deep late-round pick for the Dolphins. Despite an ACL recovery, his acceleration remains strong, and he could become a factor in the offense by November.
Insight pageChris Brooks
PositiveSleeper7:08
Dave Richard recommends Chris Brooks as a late-round target in PPR and half-PPR leagues. Brooks has a track record on passing downs and could potentially eat into rushing work if Marshawn Lloyd misses time.
Insight pageChris Godwin
PositiveValue14:56
Heath Cummings has moved Chris Godwin up in his rankings, citing his health and established chemistry with Baker Mayfield. He considers Godwin a round five or six pick and believes his current ADP is too low.
Insight pagePositiveValue34:12
The source ranks Godwin as a top-30 wide receiver, significantly higher than his current ADP of 71st overall (WR33). The analysts view him as a strong value pick in the 5th or 6th round.
Insight pageChris Olave
PositiveProjection43:08
Chris Olave is a high-end WR1, ranked 9th overall by the source, ahead of Nico Collins, George Pickens, and Malik Nabers. He is expected to dominate the target share in a fast-paced New Orleans offense with a suspect defense, benefiting from his connection with the quarterback.
Insight pageChristian Watson
PositiveUsage39:15
Watson is highly efficient, holding the highest YAC per catch among wide receivers with an aDOT over 14 yards since entering the league. The source expects the Packers' passing game to increase in volume, benefiting Watson.
Insight pageEmeka Egbuka
NegativeProjection18:14
Dave Richard remains concerned about Emeka Egbuka's lingering toe injury, though he still ranks him ahead of Luther Burden. He expects Egbuka's target volume to be capped by the presence of Chris Godwin, Cade Otton, and Jalen McMillan.
Insight pageJared Goff
PositiveProjection60:07
Jared Goff is now a top-12 quarterback for the source. The Lions' offense is expected to be involved in many shootouts, and Goff is a preferred target over Matthew Stafford and Brock Purdy.
Insight pageJayden Daniels
NegativeBust62:41
Jayden Daniels is a faller due to concerns regarding the Commanders' offensive line and a specific question mark at left tackle. The source now prefers Jalen Hurts.
Insight pageJayden Reed
PositiveSleeper46:54
Jayden Reed is the source's favorite sleeper, citing his ability to get carries and his high efficiency when healthy. In games with at least five targets, he averages 16.1 PPR points.
Insight pageJordan Love
PositiveProjection50:25
The source suggests moving Jordan Love up in rankings, noting that he would take him over Patrick Mahomes. Love's performance is tied to the team's pass volume, which is expected to be high.
Insight pageJosh Downs
NegativeProjection175:57
The source advises that fantasy managers should maintain their existing stance on Josh Downs regardless of the recent news surrounding Keenan Allen.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
NegativeBust0:47
Heath Cummings views Josh Jacobs as a faller, stating he does not want to draft him unless it is in the double-digit rounds as a lottery ticket. There is uncertainty regarding his availability, with the possibility that he may not be a full-season contributor.
Insight pageNegativeBust55:40
Josh Jacobs is considered a faller, with the source expressing no desire to draft him even in double-digit rounds.
Insight pageNegativeValue178:27
The source notes that Drew Davenport does not have Josh Jacobs on his draft board, indicating a 'stay away' approach for reasonable reasons.
Insight pageKeenan Allen
NegativeValue175:06
Keenan Allen's fantasy value has plummeted following his arrest and the return of Alec Pierce; he is no longer worth a late-round flyer, though he remains a deep-league stash in round 12+.
Insight pageLuther Burden
PositiveBreakout12:40
Heath Cummings is high on Luther Burden, drafting him in the fourth round and ranking him ahead of players like Garrett Wilson and Ladd McConkey. He views Burden as a significant riser.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout37:38
Burden is highly regarded due to his efficiency metrics, specifically ranking third in yards per route run among wide receivers with at least 50 targets last year. He also ranks second in yards after catch (YAC) behind only Rashee Rice.
Insight pageMarShawn Lloyd
PositiveBreakout0:47
Heath Cummings considers Marshawn Lloyd a riser and a borderline RB2 with high-end upside, recommending him as a target starting in round six. While acknowledging his injury history, Cummings notes that Lloyd's value is driven by his opportunity in the Packers' offense following the Josh Jacobs situation.
Insight pageMatthew Golden
PositiveRole41:59
Golden is viewed as a potential breakout candidate in the Packers' offense, potentially filling the role previously held by Romeo Doubs. The source is bullish on him as a round eight pick.
Insight pageNajee Harris
PositiveSleeper42:36
Najee Harris has looked good in joint practices and preseason, making him a viable late-round flyer and bench stash to monitor early in the season.
Insight pageNegativeRole68:42
The source expresses concern that the Giants' backfield will be muddled, with a mix-and-match approach until injuries or performance dictate a leader. Harris is considered a late-round stash.
Insight pageParker Washington
PositiveBreakout45:18
Parker Washington is a major target for the source, who projects him to lead the Jaguars in targets and catches. He is viewed as the best receiver to draft in Jacksonville, with potential for 80 catches and 1,100 yards.
Insight pagePatrick Mahomes
NegativeProjection171:46
The source is becoming less bullish on Patrick Mahomes because the team's overall passing volume is expected to decrease compared to previous seasons.
Insight pageQuentin Johnston
PositiveUsage35:23
Quentin Johnston is showing promise as he was the wide receiver on the field during 13 personnel sets with Justin Herbert. While not expected to be a full-time role, it indicates he is part of the team's offensive plans.
Insight pageRashee Rice
NegativeProjection71:35
Rashee Rice is a faller for the source, who worries that Kenneth Walker's involvement will limit Rice's ceiling. However, others argue that Rice's target share remains elite and that he is a strong value in full PPR formats.
Insight pageRhamondre Stevenson
NegativeValue62:01
Stevenson is a comfortable RB2 target in the 6th round. The source is no longer worried about fumbling issues and believes the addition of AJ Brown will open up the field for better efficiency.
Insight pageSean Tucker
NegativeRole173:23
Sean Tucker took a pay cut to stay with the Buccaneers, which is viewed as a positive sign for Bucky Irving's role, though Tucker remains a threat for goal-line work.
Insight pageTony Pollard
NegativeBust60:39
The source is cooling on Tony Pollard, noting that Tyjae Spears has been heavily involved in the preseason, which complicates Pollard's outlook as a clear starter.
Insight pageTravis Kelce
PositiveBust77:30
Travis Kelce is a faller for the source, who projects his target share could fall off a cliff this season.
Insight pagePositiveProjection170:44
Travis Kelce is viewed as a faller because his target share could drop significantly, similar to Rashee Rice's outlook but with more downside.
Insight pageTre Tucker
PositiveSleeper50:57
Trey Tucker is a late-round flyer who is projected to be the best receiver and second-best target getter in the Las Vegas offense.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
PositiveProjection40:34
Dave Richards moved Tucker Kraft into the round five range, viewing him as a top-60 player. He is expected to be a reliable short-area target for Jordan Love, especially if the run game struggles.
Insight pageXavier Worthy
PositiveBreakout171:51
The source is becoming bullish on Xavier Worthy, suggesting he could be very good and noting he was drafted in round eight, well outside his ADP.
Insight pageZach Charbonnet
NegativeInjury9:10
Dave Richard notes that Zach Charbonnet is currently on the PUP list, which impacts the value of other running backs like Jadarian Price.
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Episode Transcript
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0:30Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.
0:33Monday morning August 31st. Welcome everybody to Fantasy Football Today.
0:36Adam, Dave and Heath here. Jamie joining us shortly and we are going to follow up on the Josh Jacobs situation with
0:43some final thoughts at least for now. And give you our risers and fallers.
0:47Guess what? Marshawn Lloyd's a riser and Josh Jacobs is a faller.
0:51Thank you very much for watching and listening, everybody.
0:54And we'll look at the latest average draft position as well.
0:57Heath. Yes. Did not unfortunately join us. Not your fault, but you were not on the show last night.
1:03So I'm very excited to get your thoughts on the Packers backfield.
1:07Heath, what are your thoughts on the Packers backfield?
1:09I'm very excited to get these thoughts on the Packers backfield.
1:13I'll say I was in bed when you sent me the text and so it would have been unfortunate if I had been on the show last night.
1:21No, I basically will start considering Marshawn Lloyd as soon as the clock turns to round six.
1:27I think he is right in that group of borderline RB2s that have the upside to be a high-end RB2 and have a significant amount of risk.
1:35I don't really want to draft Josh Jacobs, but if we get to the double-digit rounds and I'm looking for lottery tickets
1:42because my running back room is really weak, then I might take a swing on him because there's no guarantee.
1:48I mean, we might see him halfway through the season.
1:51So if we could just look on NFC where I can do the date range of drafts from yesterday.
1:57And some of those are going to be before the news.
2:00Some of them are going to be after the news.
2:03But it was 33 drafts. Josh Jacobs went 98th.
2:06And Lloyd went, let's see, as RB29 at 70 at 80th overall.
2:10Okay. Yeah. So that's. So I would say drop, drop Jacobs a round or two and move Lloyd up a round or two.
2:17And that's probably where they're going to go today.
2:20Because like you said, some of those, some of those happen in the morning.
2:24Yeah. I don't think it broke until three o'clock or two, two o'clock or whatever it was.
2:29Okay. Good morning, Jamie. I posted a poll. If you'd like to know about when should you draft Marshawn.
2:35When would you draft Marshawn? Yeah. I think I'm going to, I think no one's going to agree with me here, but go ahead.
2:43Yeah. First five rounds, 11%. This is of 2,200 votes as 11 hours ago.
2:47First five rounds, 11%. Round six through eight, 56%.
2:50Round eight or later, 28%. Not drafting him 5%.
2:53Okay. I had a, hi Dave. What's up, dude?
2:55I know Dave wanted to share his thoughts on Caleb Johnson and Marshawn Lloyd.
3:00I do know that you are wearing the same shirt you were last night.
3:04I was. You know what? I'm glad you pointed that out.
3:07I like this shirt and it, I think it looks good on camera.
3:11You know, it's different. I wear a lot of gray and blue and black and stuff like that.
3:17This is different. This is like kind of a, I don't know, teal-ish.
3:21All I did was wear it last night for the show.
3:24Like I put it on for the 20 minute podcast and took it off.
3:29So I was like, I'm going to re-wear it.
3:31I didn't know if anyone would notice, but nothing gets by Jamie.
3:35Have we met? Dave, what'd you want to tell us about Caleb Johnson?
3:39I have, I, uh, first of all, I did not notice that you were wearing the same thing, but I also don't watch the video live.
3:47Um, I, I went back and looked into my notes on both Caleb Johnson and Marshawn Lloyd, and I don't have a
3:54lot of positive things to say about Caleb Johnson.
3:57He's a gets what's blocked runner, tight hips, non-existent elusiveness, doesn't create much.
4:01So, so vision. The strength of his game is physical physicality.
4:04He's a definite fighter with the football. I didn't think he looked natural catching the ball.
4:09I don't think there's anything from the past year to suggest that anything's changed with him or his game.
4:15If you want to take them with a late round flyer, just in case he gets an opportunity at some point in green Bay, be my guest.
4:23But he stands out as somebody who would be a definite backup behind Marshawn Lloyd.
4:28If Jacobs doesn't come back and would split with Chris Brooks, I think Chris Brooks needs to be on the late round menu for everybody.
4:36As just one of those guys, double digit rounds, PPR leagues, half PPR leagues.
4:40He does have a track record of playing on passing downs.
4:43I think he will take that role. And I think he's got a chance if Lloyd misses time to eat into the rushing downs role.
4:51And of course, I'm going to draft Lloyd first, and I'm not taking him as high as you are, Adam.
4:57I think he's like round seven, eight. That's where I would take Lloyd.
5:01But I think Brooks is worth taking with a late round pick.
5:05And he's probably on the waiver wire on a bunch of leagues that have already drafted.
5:10So you could go to your waiver wire, see if he's there and pick him up before the season starts, drop your
5:17last player and see what you get with Brooks to begin the year.
5:21And if Lloyd doesn't last that long, then Brooks could end up being someone that you could use as a flex in season.
5:28Okay. I'll just make one last point because if you want to hear more on this, we did a bonus podcast about
5:3520 minutes where we talked about this situation in depth.
5:38Um, you know, I'm, I'm willing to take Marshawn Lloyd.
5:41I kind of look at him like Bejal Tootin and Jadarian Price.
5:45Although I just thought to myself, like, I don't know why I would take Lloyd over Price.
5:50I like the Packers offense better than the Seahawks offense, but Zach Charbonnet is on the pup list.
5:55So Price has, that's not a surprise, but I probably should take Price over Lloyd, but, but whatever.
6:01Um, that's kind of where I value him. And based on the rankings, I think it's kind of close to where Heath
6:08and Jamie value him right around that time. Yeah.
6:10Um, I looked at the players who were drafted around five and six last year and the year before based on fantasy pros, average draft position.
6:18And I would say about a third of them were a big difference makers.
6:23Last year you had my homes. You had Deandre Swift, Jamison Williams.
6:26I struggled to even put in that category, but he ended up, you know, pretty high in the rankings.
6:32Zay flowers, Travis Kelsey, George Pickens, Rasheed Rice. Those guys were drafted around five and six.
6:37Who else was DK Metcalf? DJ Moore, Cortland Sutton, Sam Laporta.
6:41Who was good. Uh, Xavier worthy, Devante Smith, Tedaro McMillan, David Montgomery, RJ Harvey, Isaiah Pacheco, Baker Mayfield, TJ Hawkinson, Calvin Ridley,
6:47Tony Pollard, Aaron Jones, Travis Hunter, Bo Nix, Jalen Waddle.
6:51Not all those guys were terrible, but some of them were just fine.
6:55And then the year before that is very similar.
6:57You had like CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson in that group, Dalton Kincaid and Kyle Pitts and George Pickens when he wasn't that good.
7:05And Zay Flowers when he was wide receiver 36.
7:08And, you know, and there were some great players too.
7:11But I think what I'm saying is there's a pretty good chance your round five pick is going to be bad.
7:17It just, unfortunately, I hate to say that to you.
7:20That's just what history shows us. So I'm not afraid to take a risk on a guy that I think could be
7:27really good just based on his opportunity. And that's what I wanted to share with you this morning.
7:33Well, it's opportunity and offense. I mean, those are the things you're buying because you can't be buying Marshawn Lloyd because he hasn't done anything yet.
7:41And he has a terrible injury track record. So you're buying opportunity, you're buying offense.
7:45And if those two things come together with the player being slightly above average, then you're going to get a good return on investment.
7:53If he's continuing to struggle with injuries, it's a waste.
7:56If he's not the best guy, as Dave just alluded to, maybe it's Brooks, maybe it's Johnson, then it's a waste.
8:02But going into it right now, there's a chance here for this player because of Jacob's situation.
8:07And as Dave pointed out last night, you may not be getting a full season of the situation because Jacob's could still play.
8:15So I think the price comparison is the most logical because of the Charbonnet potential return.
8:19So if you're looking at it as opportunity for both those guys is amazing.
8:24Team is potentially amazing. And there's this looming thing of, for both of them, at least potentially, another player that might be better than them coming back.
8:32Yeah. I guess the other point I wanted to make it, I think I made it, but it's just like, if you
8:39mess up your fifth round pick, you're going to be okay.
8:42And I would love to take Lloyd in the sixth round, by the way.
8:47That would be my preference here. But, you know.
8:49I don't think you have to take him in round five.
8:53I don't think, I mean, you certainly don't have to take him early in round five, but you might feel like late
9:00in round five when Tootin comes into play that now might be the time.
9:04And I would guess we're going to get something from the Packers today that kind of lays out, hopefully the questions are
9:11right, but hopefully lays out what they're thinking from their backfield.
9:14I hope so. You know, whether it's Lloyd, Johnson, Brooks all competing, whether it's, hey, we have full faith in Marshawn Lloyd
9:21that he's going to be our guy. You know, it'd be nice if they came out and said, this sucks for our
9:28team that we don't have our number one running back.
9:31We'll see if we get our number one running back back.
9:34But we feel very comfortable with this guy. Like, don't just say the group, say this guy, you know, come out, whether
9:41it's Guten Koest or, or, uh, or, or LaFleur saying we feel confident in Marshawn Lloyd or we traded for Caleb Johnson
9:48because we want him to be our guy. Like, at least, you know.
9:52Yeah. Well, I don't think they're going to say the last.
9:55I don't think they're going to say that either, but you know.
9:59Well, the only other thing I know about Lloyd is you can't triple stamp a double stamp.
10:04I think we've got a lot of good dumb and dumber potential team names here.
10:09If Lloyd, uh, really takes off now, a couple of updates for you.
10:13If you're in the FFT open. Well, you said we were going to talk about the passing game.
10:18I think that's very important for the Packers. Well, that's on our risers and fathers segment.
10:23Um, the, uh, FFT open leagues is over 400 of you in it.
10:27So fab is going to start soon, waiting for some of the other drafts to wrap up.
10:33And I think later on in the show, I'd like to just talk briefly about fab.
10:37And in that league, it's a little bit different.
10:40You can be a little bit more aggressive, but for those of you who don't know how to use fab, if you're
10:47doing, whether you're an FFT open or not, if you're doing fab for the first time, we'll talk about that briefly a little bit later.
10:55And for the leftovers league, our draft Heath, you ready, uh, ready for our draft.
10:59Oh, we have to do this again. It's been such a, you know, I I've been, I've been sharing a, uh, sharing
11:06a team with Lewis and Joey's FFT open draft.
11:09And it's been such a pleasure to share a team with somebody that's not you.
11:14Yeah. I I've, I've got the same thing going on with a couple of people I'm sharing leagues with.
11:19Um, but yes, our draft is, I believe Wednesday night.
11:23Do not send any more submissions. I will select the winners this week.
11:27Yeah, it's this week. Oh, it's usually the, the, the Wednesday before the season starts.
11:31I know, but the season starts in October this year.
11:34So got to do these drafts eventually. Uh, anyway, please don't.
11:38Your, uh, your copyright infringement. You still owe me money.
11:41For what? Taking the name of my leagues. Oh, the leftovers league.
11:44It was thrust upon me. Anyway, uh, please don't submit any more entries.
11:48I will pick them today and let you know if you want.
11:52And Heath, give me a quick FFT dynasty plug.
11:55Yeah, we are, uh, ramping up for tomorrow. We've been going through talking about like which things actually matter on Friday.
12:01We had breakouts to buy before the season begins.
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12:28I also have their ADP over the last week on NFC.
12:31So he's got Marshawn Lloyd. We're good with that.
12:34We're good with that. Where exactly is your rank them?
12:3761. 61st. And where, do you know where at RB?
12:4025. Okay. Luther Burden. Boom. We're back. Okay. It's funny.
12:43I think I made reference to this. My first four managed redraft leagues, I drafted Sam Laporta.
12:48Um, I haven't gotten him since. My last three managed redraft leagues, I've drafted Luther Burden at pick 47, 49, and 50.
12:55Um, I'm, I'm pretty much back where I was though, um, earlier in the season at the three, four turn.
13:01And I said, whenever the, the, the round turns to round six, I will draft Marshawn Lloyd.
13:07As soon as it turns to round four, I will draft Luther Burden.
13:11Four. So, wow. So that's going to be ahead of who?
13:14Guys like McMillan and Garrett Wilson. Well, no, um, McMillan, I still have ahead of him burden.
13:19I have ahead of Garrett Wilson. Yes. Um, I've got him ahead of Vlad McConkey.
13:24Um, I've got him ahead of Terry, uh, Terry McLaurin's higher for me than he is for other people.
13:30Um, one of my fallers we're going to talk about, I just kind of swapped these two guys.
13:35So I don't know if you made a reference or not.
13:39I've gotten one spot ahead of Jalen Waddle. Yeah, sure.
13:42And also if you want to make a Devante Smith versus Luther Burden bet, you can pick the terms.
13:48I have Luther Burden behind Devante Smith. So are you saying you want to bet on Luther Burden to be better than Devante Smith?
13:55Okay. Not there yet. No. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm just glad we got everything settled on the other bet.
14:01And so you're fully committed and there's no way you're ever going to back out.
14:06I finally told my wife about it. So yeah.
14:08What did she say about that? She wasn't happy, but is she going to let you do it?
14:14Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't think, I don't think any of us are going to be happy about it, but really
14:21at the very least, she's going to be plenty happy about it.
14:24She's going to let him say he's going to do it for the next three months at the very least.
14:31Yeah. Um, so the guys that I flipped in my rankings, I think I had them at 18 and 21 and now
14:37they're still at 18 and 21, but they just went back and forth.
14:41Um, Luther Burden and Emeka Buka. Um, I'm a little bit more concerned about a Buka's fitness early in the season than I am Luther Burden.
14:49And as we'll talk about with one of my risers, we can just connect this and I'll just talk about all my
14:56guys all at once before anybody else talks. Um, Chris Godwin was moved up for me and that could have moved down.
15:03And it sounds like, like with these older players, when you have the injury concerns, just the fact that they get to
15:10week one in good shape and looking good and looking like them old selves, um, is a little bit of a boost.
15:17So I'm feeling more confident in Godwin at least early in the season.
15:21Um, so Burden wide receiver, 18, a Buka wide receiver, 21, Godwin's up to wide receiver, 35.
15:26Okay. Dave and Jamie, I'm going to ask you who you like better, a Buka or Luther.
15:31Burden, but I'm going to do that after we take a break.
15:35We'll be right back with more risers. And then Dave's going to talk when he gets to his risers, he will talk
15:42about the Packers passing game as well. And we'll talk about the fallers, anything you need to know from preseason week three, a little fab talk.
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17:45I'm not over the whole shirt thing. I can't believe you noticed, Jamie.
17:49Very good. It's a good shirt. It's also not exactly the most muted color, so it's going to be very, it's going to stand out.
17:56Do you want to go change, Adam? Would that make you feel a little better?
18:01I feel like I look like toothpaste right now.
18:04Um, okay, back, so, a buka versus burden. He's got burden ahead.
18:08Dave, how about you? I still have a buka head, but it's much closer than it was earlier in the off season.
18:14Remember before a buka had the toe injury, I was all in on him.
18:19Thought he would break out and have a monster year.
18:22Maybe even be this year's JSN. I suppose that's still possible, but I'm worried about the injury lingering.
18:27I think Godwin, I like Heath's call that Godwin is a riser.
18:31I think his ADP is criminal. He's, he's healthy now.
18:34We know that he's got time in the bank with Baker Mayfield.
18:38Those two are seem to be on the same page and I would expect Godwin and maybe even Ted Hurst and maybe
18:45even Jalen McMillan and maybe even the running backs to keep that target volume a little bit down for a Mecca buka.
18:51I still think he'll be over seven targets per game, but I think eight is out the window.
18:57That being said, a buka like three spots ahead of burden in my receiver rankings.
19:02All of them top 50. I've got a buka, then Devante, then McLaurin, then burden and then Parker Washington.
19:07Don't forget about that guy, but they're all right.
19:10There is like top 50 picks for me and PPR.
19:13I guess I'll get Jamie's thoughts in a second, but before a book is groin injury, which apparently he's back at practice moving well, right?
19:21Toe toe. No, no, I'm sorry. Burden before burdens.
19:24Oh yes. My bad. Back at practice looking good.
19:27A buka, by the way, they're hopeful for week one for him.
19:30Um, did you have Adams and McLaurin, Dave ahead of burden?
19:34Yeah. Always. Yeah. Okay. Uh, I don't know about always, but right now I do.
19:38I can double check and see where I had them.
19:41Yeah. A few months ago. Get back to in 15 seconds.
19:45And Jim, look at those pictures, man. You guys like just fresh out of college.
19:49Those pictures. I love that. The picture of me was taken yesterday.
19:53Nuh, ah, yeah. Dave looks exactly the same. I don't know what you're talking about.
19:58I was born this way. The two things that are the same are Dave's mugshot face, everything since I met him and
20:05Adam wears the same shirt every day. Yeah. True.
20:07All right, Jamie, a buka versus burden. Uh, now that burns back at practice, I would take back at practice.
20:14I would take burden. Okay. All right. Okay. And I had Adams ahead of burden all off season long.
20:19Heath, did you see my, uh, tweet about Chris Godwin?
20:22No. Okay. Let's take a look here. This is the me dancing GIF as I never knew what this GIF was for,
20:29but now I know it's from when I'm able to draft Chris Godwin, 98th overall in a PPR league.
20:35Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, baby. Why do you say it the wrong way?
20:40Yeah, I think, uh, so I've got a new thing.
20:43Okay. I'm going to do is every time. Don't say GIF.
20:46No, every time you do something like this, I'm just going to move you to the bottom of the screen.
20:52Okay. Let's get back to your, well, no Godwin just to finish up on that right now, over the last week, Godwin's
20:59going 71st overall in between Carnell Tate and Cortland Sutton.
21:02Do you guys like Godwin better than those guys?
21:05Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, so I do, but I, it's 71st is a little, I haven't quite caught up to that yet.
21:12He's around five pick for me. Woo. Round five.
21:15Wow. Round six for me. But by the way, that's wide receiver 33.
21:19I don't know where he is in your rankings, but he's 30th for me.
21:23Okay. Um, all right. Uh, and then Alec Pierce and Quentin Johnston who are both over the last week on NFC, they're
21:30going about wide receiver 37 to 39. So right around DK Metcalf, Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Michael Wilson, that group for Alec Pierce and Quentin Johnston.
21:38Why are they risers? And who do you like better?
21:41So Alec Pierce is back at practice. And, and, um, again, I, I'm not quite as optimistic that he's going to take
21:48on this massive target share this year as there was some speculation earlier this summer, but he is healthy and he should
21:54be, we, we kind of dropped him out of the top 100.
21:58He's firmly back in the top 100 right now.
22:01I actually have it ranked Godwin, then Pierce, then Quentin Johnston.
22:04And no, I'm not just raising Quentin Johnston because of one monster play.
22:08Although that was really cool. Um, I, I, what was really encouraging to me and it's just, listen, we're, we're nibbling at whatever we can get right now.
22:17But when they went to 13 personnel with Justin Herbert on the field in that game, Quentin Johnston was the wide receiver on the field.
22:25And I, we don't, I don't expect it will be the same guy every time they do that.
22:30And they're not going to do it as often as the Rams do.
22:34But I do think that, that that's a very good sign that when they did that in this game, he was on the field.
22:42So he'll at least be part of the plans in 13.
22:45Okay. Yeah. That, uh, was 64 yard touchdown to Johnston was definitely, uh, a note to chiefs fans.
22:51Y'all better watch out this year. A note to chiefs fans.
22:54Okay. Uh, there's a question from the chat from, uh, gray matters to me.
22:58What is the metric that they are leaning on burden so much?
23:02Where did Adam go? I can't buy it. The, the, the best, um, I think the best metric is that last year
23:09amongst wide receivers that had at least 50 targets, he was third in yards per route run.
23:14And the two that were better than him were JSN and Pukunakua.
23:18And then when you say, well, yeah, but it's only 50 targets.
23:22Well, DJ more and a Lama de Zaccheaus combined for 150 targets and they're gone.
23:26So he's not going, it's not like he's going to get 150 targets and have the third best yards per route run probably, but he might.
23:34Yeah. All right. Yeah. He's, he's really talented guy.
23:37And, um, yeah, and his coach loves him. Yeah.
23:40Okay. And I think he was second. Um, Jacob Gibbs has a really good yak, um, stat on Luther burden too.
23:46I think he may have only been second, second to only to Rashi rice in that metric.
23:51And as we know, rice has like a running back air yards share.
23:55So, yeah. Yeah. And I have a good yak stat, Dave, as we get into your risers here, it's about Christian Watson.
24:02So Christian Watson, since he entered the league, he averages his 4.8 yards after the catch per reception, which is amazing with
24:09a 16.1 yard a dot in that four season stretch.
24:12Watson has the highest yak per catch of any wide receiver with an eight, I of more than 14 yards, which is
24:19only 15 wide receivers, but it's just what he does.
24:22He, I think he's fifth in yards per target since 2022.
24:25Uh, so, so efficient. So you think all of the Packers other than Josh Jacobs are risers, Dave.
24:31I do. And I really am excited about the passing game.
24:34And I moved Tucker craft into the round five range because I think he's just an easy short area target for Jordan love to lean on.
24:42If the run game cannot get going, or if they want to just have a change up and we know what, what
24:49craft means in terms of efficiency for that offense and for his own numbers.
24:53And it sounds like he's going to be ready to go.
24:57And maybe there isn't going to be a limit on just how many snaps he plays to begin the season.
25:03So he's the one that I moved up, not necessarily the most, but the one that would get the most attention because
25:10I think he's a top 60 player. I didn't move Watson up that much, but I had him up pretty high.
25:16Anyway, he's a borderline number two, number three wide receiver.
25:19Golden is somebody I'm very excited about. If he's taking over the Romeo Dobbs role and if Romeo Dobbs had the highest
25:26target per route run rate for Jordan love, when there wasn't Josh Jacobs on the field over the last two years, then
25:33certainly there's an opportunity here for Matthew golden to have a big role.
25:37I'm a, I'm, I'm pretty bullish on him as like a round eight type pick.
25:42Is golden taken over the Romeo Dobbs role or is Christian Watson moving into the Romeo Dobbs role?
25:47And golden's taking the field stretcher, Christian, Christian Watson role.
25:50That's what I'm, it could be a mix of both of those things.
25:54And I think a lot of teams are going to try and do that with their top two receivers is mix and match what they're able of doing.
26:03And not anybody is going to be just an X or just a Z.
26:07And I, I do think that golden's just going to have an opportunity.
26:11I think both those receivers should be able to get north of six targets per game, but for, for Watson, as long
26:18as he's healthy, he could be around six and a half and this whole team could throw more and six and a
26:25half could be low for Watson and six targets per game could be low for, for Matthew golden.
26:30If you're watching on YouTube right now, I abs like this is exactly the dilemma for anybody using numbers, trying to project my mat of floor wide receivers.
26:39Cause if you look at the, at the CBS projections, it's, it's 88 targets for Christian Watson and 77 for Matthew golden.
26:46It's probably about 90 for Tucker craft. I mean, that's torture because it's a completely different offense now, Heath, or not completely
26:53different, but it should be, it's going to be altered if they can't run the football or even if they can run
26:59the football a little bit, they're going to have to come off of it.
27:04Unless Marshawn Lloyd is as good as Josh Jacobs has been.
27:07You have a run game. That suspect, you have a defense that might not be as good to start the season.
27:14And you have all this talk about maybe putting more on Jordan loves play before all this happened.
27:19And so now you're looking at it as we've been waiting for concentrated targets for this receiving core.
27:25And you're taking away 135 from last year. So I think even if you just give those three guys, four guys, you want to talk to craft it.
27:33Those four guys just increased opportunities. I don't think to his point, I don't think we're getting 120 plus for maybe even
27:40one guy, but I think you're going to see opportunities increase for all of them.
27:45And hopefully they're just as efficient for me. I go back to 2023 when Jordan love was a good fantasy quarterback and
27:52you had a defense that wasn't great. And you had obviously a run game that wasn't great because that was the last
27:58time as Dave referenced last couple of times. We talked about this the last six of seven years that Matt LaFleur has been the head coach.
28:06The run get there. A running back has been good.
28:10Well, 2023 was the year that it was not good in Aaron Jones final season.
28:14My favorite Packers receiver based on costs is Jaden Reed by a mile.
28:18And I love him. He's my favorite sleeper. After all this stuff has unfolded of any position, because the value that he
28:25is right now, it's probably going to rise because I think everybody's going to recognize that they're going to throw more, but
28:32love him better than love him a lot better than a lot more than golden.
28:36Uh, I think there's a huge opportunity for him because as we saw when he was healthy, he's going to get carries now.
28:43And so that's going to be, I think a big plus for his profile, which is what we saw in 2023.
28:50If he stays healthy, that's a big thing for him.
28:53If he stays healthy, because he has a hard time staying healthy, his last 23 games where he's had at least five
29:00targets, very small number, at least five targets, 13 and a half PPR points per game or more in 15 of those 23.
29:07And he averages 16.1 PPR points over that span.
29:10Give him opportunities. He is going to smash. He is going to destroy his ADP.
29:14I'll do you one better on that. So in 10 career games with at least six targets, 10 plus PPR points in
29:21all 10, 13 plus and six of the 10, seven career games with seven or more targets, 15 plus PPR points in
29:28six of the seven and green Bay. I went back and looked at every single one of these games.
29:34They had a hard time running the ball in six of those games.
29:38And Jaden Reed just was able to pick up some of the slack.
29:42So I talked about Tucker craft being one of those guys.
29:45And I do believe that Tucker craft can be one of those guys that can help alleviate some pressure on the run game.
29:52Reed is the other one. And if his ADP, where is his ADP now, guys, if it's really low, then Jamie, spot on.
29:59Spot on. I mean, maybe he's even on the waiver wire in a few weeks.
30:04I'll tell you what it was yesterday on, on NFC.
30:07It was please wide receiver, 43, 91st overall. Oh, that goes, that goes Pittman.
30:11Yeah, but they're very wide receiver heavy for what it's worth.
30:15Pittman, Josh Downs, the John Stribling, Jaden Reed, Wanda Robinson, Matthew golden.
30:19Yeah. I see one 16 on fantasy pros. I'm just going to say one other thing, and this is the poo poo.
30:25Um, but that, that 2023 season that Jamie talked about, and I think that might be the answer is just move Jordan love up.
30:33Maybe, maybe I need to look at that. I would take Jordan love over Patrick Holmes right now.
30:38Oh, wow. Um, yeah, I could see that. Um, but that 2023 season, Jordan love through 579 passes.
30:44We would freaking love that. Of those five, of those 579 passes, Romeo Dobbs led the team with 96 targets.
30:50Then Jaden Reed had 94. Then the two tight ends combined for 86.
30:54Then the wide receiver three at 58 and three more guys had 40 to 50.
30:59So who are the three other guys that had 40 to 50?
31:02Uh, Don Tavian Wicks. Okay. Aaron Jones. Okay. I'm sorry.
31:05There was two. Okay. And those are the two.
31:08And then there were, there were three other guys that had 20 to 30.
31:13So are we, are we maybe not going to see the consolidation that we thought between, I don't know.
31:18I hope so. Well, I mean, look, they, they, they just add John who Smith and we know he's a past catching tight end.
31:26So that's, that's another piece of this that we hate, but it's going to be a problem.
31:31That's the poo poo. This is the poo poo.
31:34And you know, our guy, Brandon Howard, he's been drafting saving on Williams for years.
31:39Wait a second. I don't really think Johnny Smith is going to be, I mean, I'm hoping that they're Musgrave is hurt, right?
31:46Aren't two of their tight ends hurt right now?
31:48I'm not, I'm just, I'm just saying names that are going to be to Heath's point.
31:53Like they, they, they use other bodies. That's kind of been the MO here, which is the issue.
31:59So I agree with Heath. I think Jordan love is going to be great at the same time.
32:04Matthew golden's a first round pick that they have to sort of justify and get going a little bit.
32:10They just pay Jaden Reed this off season. Tucker craft was amazing to start last year.
32:15So there's, there's things here that should work. And again, hopefully we'll get opportunities, increased opportunities individually, but also collectively to Jordan
32:22loves benefit because as noted last night, this division is awesome.
32:25Now from an offensive standpoint, this is not a black and blue division anymore.
32:30This is if the Vikings offense is what it could be.
32:33The lions offense is great. The bears offense is great.
32:36Packers have to keep up. Yeah. And they got a big test week one against Minnesota.
32:41Yep. They were 15th and pass attempts that year before they got Josh Jacobs.
32:46So yes, they spread it out a lot, but like you, can you post a Dan, I don't know how to the whole thing there at the bottom.
32:54Yep. You're not going to win a lead because of golden or read.
32:58You are correct. You are. That's why they're called sleepers, not breakouts.
33:02Yeah. However, every year we get a handful of guys who are drafted around nine or later, which is pick 96 or
33:09later that finish in the top 24, not going to necessarily win you your league, but Brian Thomas jr.
33:15Probably won you your league a few years ago.
33:17Right. But if Watson hits, he's a league winner.
33:20I mean, he just, you've seen that enough. And I agree because, and Watson's at least showed last year, he can get
33:27a 28% target per hour run rate or whatever.
33:30Jaden Reed since 2022, when Watson entered the league, Jaden Reed in 2023, Jaden Reed is leads all wide receivers and fantasy points per target.
33:37And Christian Watson is third because of his rush attempts.
33:40No fantasy points per target. You think that counts the rush attempts?
33:44I think it's probably counting the points he scored on rushes.
33:48Oh, okay. I'm not sure, but, but he's, you know, but he also scored like, he scored like 13 touchdowns his first two seasons or something like that.
33:56Last year, he only had one end zone target, but before that he was, you know, fairly involved.
34:02And, um, and he is going to rush the ball.
34:05As Jamie said, like he is really good at it.
34:08He is the one I'm willing to overpay for.
34:11He's the second most rushing yards since he entered the league among wide receivers.
34:15I believe behind Depot Samuel. Um, all right. So let me get, throw out some names then.
34:20Uh, would you rather have Josh Downs or Jaden Reed?
34:23Jane Reed. I don't. Josh down. Wait, well, if it's not PPR, it's Reed.
34:28Okay. Let's just say half PPR. Uh, would you rather have, um, Wanda Robinson or Jaden Reed?
34:33January. What's the format? Oh, Jaden Reed for sure.
34:36Half PPR. Oh, uh, give me Wanda. Stripling or Reed.
34:39January. Stripling. Okay. Same questions. Downs, Stripling, Wanda or Matthew golden.
34:42All those guys over golden. Now I got golden ahead.
34:45Downs, golden, Stripling, Wanda. Okay. Okay. Uh, back to Dave's risers.
34:49Oh, uh, there was also that one stat I gave on, I think, um, sports network.
34:54A couple of weeks ago, Jordan love last year when the Packers allowed 20 or more points, he scored 21.7 or more
35:00fantasy points in six of eight games in six point for passing touchdown leagues.
35:05However, the year before that, he only did, he only was good in three of eight games where they allowed 20 or
35:12more points, but you get the gist. When he throws, he's going to be good.
35:16Um, all right, Dave, who's next on your risers and followers list?
35:20I have a thousand things open here. You have Jaden Daniels.
35:23Sure. Yes. Thank you. Jaden. Daniels is a faller.
35:26No, he's a riser. Shouldn't be. He's a faller.
35:29Okay. How about Jared golf? You've already flip-flopped on your notes that you sent this morning.
35:34I don't think that I put Daniels as a riser in my notes.
35:38Pretty sure. I just copied and pasted, but how about Jared golf?
35:41Let's check the tape. Ladies and gentlemen, let's check the tape.
35:45I'm looking right now and seeing, I was going to move Dave, but he's already on the bottom.
35:50So yeah, Daniels should have been a faller. He's I'm less excited about Daniels.
35:55That's my bad. That's what I'm right ahead of Jared golf in the risers.
35:59Like an idiot. That's what I get for sending notes before I get into the office.
36:04All right. Who are we talking about now? Jared golf.
36:07Dude. Detroit offense looks great. There's been a lot of positive stuff really in the last week or so on Jameson Williams.
36:14I think that there's going to be somebody's on the clock.
36:17There there's, there's a, there's a good buzz about this offense.
36:21Just overall, we're obviously drafting St. Brown and Gibbs high JMO high Sam Laporta high.
36:25The defense has a great player and Aidan Hutchinson.
36:28Everything else is kind of just decent. They could be in a lot of shootouts.
36:33We've talked about how many games are going to play indoors.
36:36Jared golf is a top 12 quarterback for me now.
36:39So I'm happy to take it. Oh dude, it's great.
36:42I just, I just wish I could find room in my top 12 for purdy.
36:47Also, but there's just so many quarterbacks that are, that are really exciting and it just leads to waiting and finding that good value.
36:54Like we've talked about for the last six months.
36:57So golf is absolutely in the range of QBs to look for late.
37:01I would take him ahead of Matthew Stafford now and could easily see him having one of his best years ever.
37:08Okay. So golf. Yeah. That's kind of where he's, he's going in between Stafford and purdy on NFC over the last week.
37:14I'd rather have him than both. Let's try to fire through a couple more before we take a break here.
37:21Ramondre Stevenson over the last week on NFC, he's RB 27.
37:24He's in, but he's just after Travion Henderson. So it goes Travion Henderson, Ramondre Stevenson, Jonathan Brooks as RBs, 26, 27 and 28.
37:31He's around six pick. And I'm actually very comfortable with him as an RB to, to settle for when I get to
37:38that point of Jadarian price, David Montgomery, basial two.
37:41And he's in that group and he's ahead of Marshawn Lloyd for me.
37:45He's ahead of Jonathan Brooks for me, the Steelers running backs.
37:48There's just too much good stuff about him and not enough good stuff about Travion Henderson.
37:53And I'm no longer worried about Ramondre Stevenson fumbling and losing his gig.
37:57I think he's going to be the one a for the Patriots for the foreseeable future.
38:02The fact that they added AJ Brown means that safeties can't play up on the line like they did last year should
38:09open up for better efficiency for Ramondre Stevenson. I like getting him.
38:12I don't mind even early round six in full PPR.
38:16I'm sorry. Can I just go completely off subject for a second?
38:19Yeah. Is this about me putting Jaden Daniels as a riser?
38:23Not me. No. I just was like, you just put up on the screen.
38:27I'm sorry if you're just listening and not watching.
38:30Ramondre Stevenson is a riser in CBS ADP. He's up to 74th overall.
38:34He's up five spots. Harold Fannin is up 11 spots over like a full round over the weekend.
38:39And now at the six, seven turn ahead of Tucker craft and Kyle pits, who is falling like a lead balloon.
38:46Good job, Dave. Good job to a good, I guess.
38:49Good job to a, but I just thought like we, none of us want to draft Harold Fannin there.
38:55No, not even me. And I was the fan and guy earlier this off.
38:59You got, you got to remember sometimes what auto picks do to this based on what projections are and people that are
39:06now drafting and drafting and looking at it for the first time.
39:10And Oh man, Harold Fannin won my league last year.
39:13Why would I not take him? And don't know that Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston are going to be an issue for Fannin.
39:20And Oh man, that Kyle pits guy, he burned me so much.
39:23I'm not taking him again. Or the people that I've been watching too ago, I do.
39:28I really want this offense. Like I had somebody in a 10 team league last night draft B.
39:34John Robinson and Drake London. And I was like, Ooh, I don't know if I want to be in with both of those guys.
39:41Like they're awesome. It's going to be Penix though.
39:44Like if two is bad, it'll be Penix. We hope it might be Penix week one anyway, by the way, like Kyle pits having an amazing preseason.
39:52I'm actually getting nervous. Great. But perception. It's not about what you, what, what we say.
39:57Cause how many years have we said in a row?
40:0015 plus 20 years. Don't draft quarterbacks early. And it's finally happened.
40:04So like people just do what they do. All right.
40:07We got a lot more risers and fallers to get to.
40:11We have something more important though. Heath is on the clock.
40:14This team. Yeah. Bijan Bowers picking from the two spot.
40:17Bijan Bowers, Olave, Tedderall McMillan, 47th overall. That's good.
40:20Luther burden. So running back tight end, three receivers, Tony Pollard as his RB to Marvin Harrison, junior as his wide receiver
40:27for, and you have a partner here. So I know you can't make the pick, but what do you want the pick to be?
40:34So if I was making the pick, it would be RJ Harvey.
40:38My partner, I think is wanting to take Chuba or Aaron Jones or Rashad White.
40:42So I mean, whatever he wants to do, but I think he's probably just draft the guy.
40:48The interesting thing is we don't have a quarterback yet either.
40:51Obviously I'd love to take Brock Purdy, but there's still four good quarterbacks left.
40:55Joey Wright, right behind us has a kind of similar build with Gibbs, Travion and Jonathan Brooks as his running backs.
41:02So he's probably, they're looking at two running backs and a quarterback.
41:06We are looking at two running backs or a quarterback.
41:09So it's a, it's, it's a big, big moment in the draft year.
41:13Yeah. Well, that didn't help that seven of the previous eight picks were running backs.
41:17Not great for you. We'll take a break and get to more risers and fallers.
41:22When we come back, back to Dave Richards risers, Najee, Najee Harris real quick, super late round pick.
41:28I think he's going to end up being the guy behind camp Scadaboo in New York.
41:32And I'm starting to get very afraid that the giants are just going to make this a muddled backfield where there isn't
41:39one guy that you can look at and say, okay, he's the one a, I think it's going to be mixing and
41:46matching all year long until injuries slash bad play weed out players from being impactful.
41:51And for what it's worth, Najee's look good. You look good in the joint practices.
41:55It's Miami reports after that practice say that Najee's look good.
41:59We saw him in the preseason. I think that he's worth a late round flyer, just a stash on the bench.
42:05See what happens the first few weeks of the year.
42:08Chris Olave is a riser for you right now on NFC over the last week.
42:13He is wide receiver 11 in between Nico Collins and Malik neighbors.
42:17Is he top? Is he 11th for you? Where is he exactly?
42:20I know that he's a number one wide receiver for me.
42:24I've got him at nine. So I've got him ahead of Nico.
42:27I've got him ahead of pickings. I've got him ahead of neighbors.
42:31I have met of rice, just fully expect him to begin the year dominating the target share for new Orleans.
42:37This isn't, this is one of the teams that we've identified all along is suspect defense, really good offense.
42:43We know that they're going to play at a fast pace.
42:47We know that Shuck was great for Olave when Shuck went under center last year.
42:51I think that, yeah, maybe I'm drafting Olave a little bit too close to his ceiling if he's in round two, but
42:58I think he can get there again. He's a really good wide receiver, talented arm, finally throwing to him and not a ton of competition for targets there.
43:07And I don't know when Jordan Tyson's going to come back, how soon he'll be acclimated into the offense and how serious
43:13of a threat he'll be to take away a number of targets from Chris Olave.
43:18Okay. You're the high guy on Olave at nine.
43:21Heath and Jamie have him 11th behind Nico Collins behind.
43:24Do you guys have them as a round two pick or do you think that that's Cuckoo?
43:29I got him at 22. Uh, 24. Okay. So I'm a little bit ahead of you guys on him.
43:35Fine with it. I mean, look, the whole group of receivers, it's, it's such a basically who you like best versus like arguments for and against.
43:43Cause you can make so many points on either side that makes sense.
43:47And so I think what it comes down to is like when Jordan Tyson returns, which is such a gamble at this
43:54point, how much does that impact Olave? Because we really saw what his numbers were last year with Rahid Shahid, who I think we could all agree.
44:02Tyson's a better player that, or should be a better player than Rashid Shahid.
44:06I hope so. When he was basically a solo act, he was, as you said, a monster.
44:12Can he continue to do that? If Tyson plays.
44:15Okay. Next up is Parker Washington. He is currently, he's a riser for Dave.
44:19He's currently wide receiver 26 over the last week on NFC in between Christian Watson and Terry McLaurin.
44:24I have a problem. I can't stop drafting Parker Washington.
44:27And he's been like on that round five, six fence for me all off season.
44:32And now he's starting to get close to the round four or five fence, which is nuts.
44:37But I really love the outlook for him. I think he's going to lead the Jaguars and targets catches yards touchdowns.
44:44I'm not a hundred percent sure on, but usually if you're getting a lot of looks from the quarterback, you're going to
44:51find your way into some touchdowns too. Maybe you only get six on the year, but could have 80 catches and like 1100 yards on top of it.
44:59I'd be really excited about that. Yeah. Let's, let's try and get them in round five and not round four.
45:05And even better if you can get them in round six and just the best receiver to get in Jacksonville.
45:12He's one of those guys that I've tried pretty hard to not have a take on all season, because I think it's,
45:18because it's going to be hilarious either way. It's either going to be like, how did you miss all of these signals?
45:25He's obviously a star or LOL. How did you fall for this?
45:29Yeah. I feel like we could say that about like a dozen receivers this year.
45:34I mean, I think Luther Burton is probably one of those two.
45:37Yep. I agree. Little better pedigree for Luther Burton.
45:40Yes, I agree. And Washington, you know, there was a report that Travis Hunter has been playing almost exclusively defense over the
45:47last two weeks, which is good for Washington. It was that way in the joint practice against Tampa too.
45:53How would you rank these three players? Cam Scadaboo, Christian Watson, Parker Washington.
45:57I've got Washington ahead of them all. I have Scadaboo next.
46:00Watson after that. Really close between Parker and Scadaboo.
46:03Jamie, he all within 10 picks for me. Same.
46:06Yeah, I'm in that same thing. And Burton ahead of them all.
46:09The names again. I'm sorry. Uh, Scadaboo, Watson, Parker, Washington.
46:12Um, who am I drafting first? Yeah. That's probably still Scadaboo, but it's Watson and Washington right after.
46:18John Stribling is a riser for Dave. Yeah, he has been all training camp long.
46:23The reports out of San Francisco were good. The preseason film was good to very good.
46:28And you just can't help but feel like he's got a locked in role as an outside receiver in this offense where
46:34he's sharing the field with a bunch of older receivers who are definitely capable of either being inefficient or breaking down.
46:41And I just love the idea of drafting him late.
46:44I'm not one of these guys that's reaching for him in round seven or round eight.
46:49I saw a league where, uh, he went in round six that put my jaw on the floor.
46:54Uh, I think he's more of like that round, uh, nine type of target in that same range for me as Jaden
47:01Reed, um, ahead of Kelsey in that same range with Coker and digs and downs, like a good bench wide receiver.
47:08You're just going to have to be a little bit patient with him.
47:12And if you see him after that, then get him and put him on your bench.
47:17And I think you give him a month. And if he ends up playing a lot for the 49ers, maybe without a
47:23huge target share, you just hang on to him.
47:26So, uh, Lewis was, uh, tuned into the show when I told him we were talking about the pick and picked RJ Harvey.
47:33So I hope that I don't, uh, end up feeling bad about that.
47:37Uh, Trey Tucker, Dave is wide receiver 59 right now.
47:40Late round flyers, nothing more than that. Don't have to feel compelled to draft him, but I think he's going to be
47:47the best receiver, uh, in Las Vegas and the second best target getter in that offense.
47:52Do you like him better than Denzel Boston and or Jacoby Lane?
47:56Definitely over lane. And I believe I have him over Boston too.
48:00Okay. Kayshawn booty. Do you like Trey Tucker or Kayshawn booty?
48:03Tucker. All right. Booty booty. Booty's sets up to be the number two target getter in Houston.
48:08We know that Jaden Higgins is out for the year.
48:11He can take the top off the defense and another player who's, who's looked really good.
48:16Honestly, the last two training camps and he wasn't necessarily a big target getter in New Orleans, in new England, excuse me,
48:23last year, but they moved on from him because they didn't want to pay him.
48:28And now Houston's got him. And I would imagine in a contract year, he'll have opportunities to ball out booty or Schultz getting more targets.
48:35What do you think? Schultz Schultz might get more, but he's not going to do much with them compared to Kayshawn.
48:42Chris bell. All right. Welcome back. Chris belly played in the preseason game and quick recovery from that ACL.
48:48So an even deeper late round pick. Like I'm obviously going to take Tucker and booty ahead of bell, but I love
48:55the long view for bell in an offense where there isn't really a wide receiver.
48:59That's stepping up. I still don't think he's at his, like where he was at Louisville, but you could see, and it's
49:06amazing because like the ACL injury, man, people are coming back from that and it's not necessarily a big deal.
49:12Like his acceleration is still really good. And this is a giant wide receiver.
49:16So I could see him. You might have to wait till November, but I could see him becoming a thing for this dolphins offense.
49:24Probably of all the receivers that we've said in the last four minutes, the guy you don't have to draft, but can
49:31pick up off waivers when you've got a dead roster spot.
49:34Okay. Chris bell for the dolphins. We'll go to the fallers now and we'll go to Heath's fallers.
49:40First, Josh Jacobs, who, yeah, you said double digit rounds, right?
49:43Yep. And I don't really want to there. Ashton Gentry, uh, over the last week, he's still RB 11 going 18th overall
49:50in between Ken Walker and Derek Henry. Where do you have Ashton Gentry?
49:54So I moved him. I had him at the two, three turn.
49:57And, um, I just, I think Jamie said this last week that he did not want to draft him in round two.
50:04And I, I moved him back to that group of running backs that I have at the three, four turn.
50:10So a Chan and Kyron and those guys, I understand if you want to reach higher, but I do kind of believe
50:17that Mike Washington has shown enough in camp in the preseason to where there's a less of a chance that we're going to get workhorse Ashton Gentry.
50:26Okay. Would you take a Gentry or Zay flowers?
50:28Oh, come on. I'd take Devante Smith over him.
50:31Okay. That's crazy. Um, all right. Uh, Gentry or Trey McBride.
50:35I've got McBride. Brian, I have McBride two spots ahead right now.
50:38McBride. Okay. Uh, other fallers for Heath, Emeka Buka.
50:41And we talked about, and a Ronde Gadsden. Do not draft him.
50:45Not draft him. He's, I think he's might be their third tight end.
50:49All right. Well, that's it for Heath's followers. Jacobs, Gentry, Emeka, Buka, and Ronde Gadsden.
50:53Uh, I'll throw out some of Buka names for you.
50:56Uh, Buka Joe gave that one last year, but a Buka or T Higgins.
51:01T T. Yep. A Buka or DJ more. More.
51:04I've settled on more. Still a Buka for me.
51:06Okay. Dave, let's go to your fallers. You are pretty low on the Titans.
51:11And I think I know why. Yeah. I don't think they really need an explanation on this.
51:16The offense hasn't looked good since their first drive.
51:19Although the reports out of their joint practice against Chicago suggested that Cam Ward and Carnell Tate finally clicked.
51:25But I'm, I just don't want to, I don't really want to be involved with any of these guys.
51:30Maybe Wandale in full PPR, but outside of that, like, give me, give me Carnell Tate.
51:35If it's round eight, where are you guys taking Tony Pollard?
51:39I've got them in round eight. I don't want to get, I don't want them.
51:43Yeah. I'm going to have to put a block on Tony Pollard for a week because I've drafted him too much lately
51:50because of these teams where I end up with the anchor running back.
51:54And then you want the guy who's probably going to the last guy who's probably going to be a starter.
52:00And it's always Tony Pollard. Yeah. So, but you, you like Lloyd better than Pollard, right?
52:05Yep. Yes. Okay. What about Jalen Warren and, and Rico Dowdle?
52:09I, I still have Pollard higher. Okay. I, I don't, you know, the thing is, I don't really know that there's been
52:15much difference between the way Pollard and Spears have been used this preseason compared to the way Warren and Dowdle have been used this preseason.
52:23We've seen a lot more from the Titans than the Steelers, but I've been a little, uh, bothered by how involved Spears has been.
52:31Yeah. I, I do think Pollard is clearly the starter, but there's been a lot of Spears out there.
52:36All right. Well, anyway, um, Jane Daniels is a faller Dave, from what I understand.
52:41He is a faller. I'm nervous about where the commander's offense is going now because of the offensive line.
52:47I'm hoping that they can get most of that line healthy, but a huge question market left tackle much rather have Jalen hurts at this point.
52:55Whereas two weeks ago they were back to back for me.
52:58Okay. You know, if you look at the NFC ADP for Jane Daniels, he's going after Caleb Williams.
53:04He's going after Justin Herbert. Yeah. I think going after Justin Herbert is the right move.
53:09Wow. This guy could rush for 900 yards. That's the thing.
53:12You want upside position. Yeah. Yeah. But Herbert can run a little bit too, and he could throw for 35 touchdowns.
53:19Yeah. All right. I mean, it's, I think we're going to have to, maybe tomorrow we'll, we'll do like a, maybe we can get a sponsor for it.
53:27Like a dip, you know, buy the dip. Yeah.
53:30Because there's a lot of guys who are getting some negative press, whether it's their own injuries or the tonsil injury or whatever.
53:37And some of them are going to crush ADP because it happens all the time.
53:42Luther Burden. Yep. That's a great call. Burden. I'm buying the dip on Dave Daniels for sure.
53:47Like I, I want that. One billion percent. Yeah.
53:50One billion percent. Yeah. But I mean, I think about it with everybody.
53:54It's like a Buka. Could they all, could they all just end up being really good values?
53:59It could, but that position specifically, because if you miss, there's so many other options.
54:04Yeah. Yep. So where do you guys have them?
54:07I've got them in early round seven. Now, Jaden, Dave, I've not moved him at all.
54:12Round six. Nope. Okay. Okay. Is that QB? I totally get where you're coming from.
54:16QB five. I've got him QB four. All right.
54:19Yeah. Not crazy. Dave is dropping Cam Scadaboo. And you know, I get it.
54:23Okay. Where do you have him now? Round five.
54:26But like, but amongst who? Judkins ahead of him.
54:29And then he's currently ahead of price, Montgomery, Tootin.
54:32And, uh, then a big drop before you get to Ramondre Stevenson and Marshawn Lloyd.
54:36I think I'd rather have Ramondre than him right now.
54:39Yeah. I'm getting close to that too. It's just, it's hard to justify Scadaboo.
54:44He's been around five for me for a few weeks, but it's like hard to justify him over some of these other
54:50guys that are in timeshares that are in offenses that could be just as good, if not better.
54:56Like, I just don't know how much of a time.
54:59I don't think he's going to be playing on third downs like he did last year.
55:04That's kind of where. No chance. But, I mean, Unless it's third and one.
55:08I mean, I understand, you know, Najee Harris has looked good.
55:12Najee Harris, we know who Najee Harris is, and he's coming off a tourniquet lease.
55:16If Cam Scadaboo. It's not so much though about Najee Harris though.
55:20It's the whole collective. I don't think they're going to matter.
55:23I mean, I just, if Cam Scadaboo can't beat those guys out, like Devin Singletary better not take Cam Scadaboo off the field.
55:31You know, Tyrone Tracy. I don't know, You hear me say this all the time.
55:35We think these guys suck. Coaches love when guys do think the small things the right way.
55:40What does Cam Scadaboo do? Does he fumble a lot?
55:44I mean, he doesn't. He tried to take out his own defenders.
55:47Like, I mean, that pisses coaches off. Well, that's, that's, there's been different accounts of that as you saw.
55:53Well, when he called him an infectious disease, because he obviously did something to cause an issue at practice.
55:59However, you want to slice it up, whether it's the one report about he's been pissing them off for a while, or
56:06the one report about just that he did it that day.
56:09He obviously has done something to annoy his coach and annoy his defensive players and maybe not do everything right in meeting rooms or whatever.
56:17And they just say, that does this. And Najee Harris is a veteran that does that.
56:22What did Najee do his entire career? If the Giants, if the, you know what, as a Giants fan, if they start
56:29playing Devin Singletary over Cam Scadaboo, I'm just going to have to pick a new freaking team.
56:34Like, okay. You said that's going to be what, I mean, two minute drills.
56:38No, that's fine. Two minutes. Two minute drills can be Devin Singletary.
56:42Yeah. That's what it's been. Like if you look at their talent and their personnel, it cam Scadaboo has to be.
56:48So I think short yardage will be nauseous. No, I'm not sure about that.
56:53Cam Scadaboo is the man in short yardage. You cannot tackle this guy.
56:57That is his best thing. And by the way, I don't have it.
57:01I don't think I've drafted Scadaboo once in a real league.
57:04Like I have not, I have been out on Scadaboo, but if he's going to start following like a full round later,
57:11because he was around four pick, we start talking middle round five.
57:15His ADP was round three last week. Okay. Yeah.
57:17That's insane. I never liked it there. I never liked it there.
57:21Nope. And I understand the bus potential. I totally see what you guys are saying.
57:26I just think the giants would be stupid. I basically think like Scadaboo would have to seriously blow it either with his
57:33personality or whatever he's doing, which he might be doing or just his performance, but they better give him the opportunity to be their lead running back.
57:41Did they just keep the four guys on the roster?
57:44They did. Yeah. They cut Eric Gray. I mean, that's telling.
57:47It is telling. Cause none of those guys are special teams guys, maybe outside of Singletary.
57:52Oh, they might. You expect them to have two running backs who were special teams guys and no, but usually have one.
57:59Yeah. I think Singletary will probably be, I mean, probably it's Cam Scadaboo.
58:03Maybe it's, uh, maybe a good gunner. Yeah. Yeah.
58:06I wouldn't be surprised if they're in talks to trade Tracy though.
58:10Um, Travion Henderson's a follower for Dave. Yeah. That's just the inverse of Ramond Ray Stevenson moving up.
58:15I want to talk about this one. Rashid Rice is a follower for Dave.
58:19He's currently on NFC wide receiver 14 in between two terrific wide receivers goes Devante Smith, Rashid Rice, Zay flowers.
58:26I've got rice ahead of Smith and flowers. He's just moved down for me throughout the entire training camp slash preseason period,
58:32because I've bought into Kenneth Walker more and more.
58:35And I don't think there's going to be more than maybe four games this year.
58:40We're both Walker and rice. We'll have monster games.
58:43I just don't think it'll, it'll play out that way.
58:46I think if Walker's running the ball, well, I think if he's catching screen passes, it's all stuff that's going to take away from where she rice.
58:54I knew I was, I don't mind him. It's like a early round three back in full PPR later than that.
59:00Non-PPR. It's one of like my favorite things. If I have Gibbs or B John and I can get two of Nico Pickens, Collins, Olave, Nico or Nico.
59:09I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Like the fact that, that he's fallen that far is awesome.
59:14Right. It's hard to take him in full P or it's hard to take Devante over him in full PPR.
59:20Just because of the potential for, I mean, there's also the, the upside, the contingency upside.
59:25Kenneth Walker doesn't exactly have a gleaming track record of playing 17 games.
59:29He did last year because he was splitting reps, but if there's, if there are going to be games where Walker's unavailable
59:36for Kansas city, then Rishi rice is going to go right back to nine targets a game.
59:41So I think that you're giving Walker the injury problem and not rice, the injury problem.
59:46Yeah. I mean, sure. That's part of the contingency downside for rice.
59:50I don't think he's around to pick anymore. That's it.
59:53I just don't, I just don't buy the argument that you add a running back.
59:57It could make a wide receiver worse. Okay. Two years ago, the Eagles added Saquon Barkley.
60:02He ran for 2000 yards. Didn't really hurt AJ Brown's targets.
60:06I don't think, I mean, maybe I'm wrong last year.
60:09The, the bears got so much better at running the football and, and they had a better passing game too.
60:15I mean, I just think their offense, well, the offense is going to be seven target per game guy in that offense at wide receiver.
60:23Well, they didn't, I mean, they spread the ball around, but no, they did with Loveland at the end of the year.
60:29Yeah. That's the time I'm with you, Adam. I don't think Ken Walker is the problem for rice.
60:35I think rice is the problem for rice. If he's not, if he's not physically right, then we have an issue.
60:41And that's, I think the concern is that people looked at the videos and saw, Oh my God, look, he's slow.
60:48We can't separate all these things, which may be true.
60:51But if he's, if he's on the field, healthy playing there, there's not anybody else.
60:56Cause Kelsey's 36 and right. Worthy is not proven anything yet.
60:59And look, I I'm, I'm excited about Cyrus Allen, but I don't think Cyrus Allen's a problem for us.
61:05You're right. So I think as long as rice is there, he's going to command targets, what he does with those targets.
61:12Is he still the touchdown guy? Okay. You can, you know, nitpick all those things.
61:16And maybe that's where Walker comes into play, but like to run away from rice.
61:21I'm not saying Dave's doing this, but like to run away from rice because of Walker, that's a mistake.
61:27I rushy rice has never really been able to separate.
61:30Right. I think he did early in his career.
61:33Yeah. I don't know. last two years, I haven't found much evidence.
61:36He's averaged 18.7 PPR fantasy points per game in his last 17 healthy games, which is only a game.
61:42Um, okay. Ridiculously high target share. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in those 17 games on pace for 163 targets and you know,
61:49he might, he might, by the way, he might struggle week one.
61:53He struggled against tough matchups last year, gets Denver in week one.
61:56So there's that, but I don't think that should matter.
62:00A Mecca Buka. We've talked about Jordan Tyson's a follower for you.
62:03Are you taking, now you had a couple of risers, like you had, um, Trey Tucker, Kayshawn booty and Chris bell.
62:10Are you taking them ahead of Jordan Tyson? Let me double check where they are in my rankings because the one appealing
62:17thing about Tyson is you can draft him and stash him in an IR spot.
62:21I do have, I, right. Uh, Tucker and booty.
62:24I do have just ahead of Tyson. Uh, I also want to say that I lied about not having drafted scataboo.
62:30I feel bad about that because I drafted him in the podcast league.
62:34Uh, what round? Um, 10th pick of round four in a 14 team league.
62:39Okay. Good. So that's, uh, 52nd, three, four. Yeah.
62:42That's right about where I am ranked. All right.
62:44Um, so we're so Jordan Tyson, uh, Harold fan and junior and Travis Kelsey are two fallers for you.
62:50Kelsey for the same reasons as rice, but much worse.
62:53Like his target share could really fall off a cliff.
62:56How many targets are you projecting for Kenneth Walker?
62:59That's what I'm saying. He's taking targets for rushy rice.
63:02I don't think they throw as much as they have in the past.
63:06They've become the reason why I've started to sag a little bit on, on Patrick Mahomes.
63:11Okay. And fan. And we talked about, I'm, I'm becoming bullish on Casey conception.
63:15Really think he could be like very good. Yeah.
63:18Okay. Well, that's got him in round eight, way out of ADP who conception.
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63:58Oh man, I don't know if there's a, let's talk about the Sean Tucker thing.
64:03Heath, uh, Sean Tucker got a one year, $2.5 million deal to stay with the bucks, which is actually a pay cut.
64:10And I shouldn't be on the bottom right here.
64:12So, um, yeah, you lied. Yeah. I got demoted for the scatterboot thing.
64:16Yes. Uh, I am the poo poo. Anyway, uh, what do you think about the bucks backfield?
64:22I think that anybody who's drafting Bucky Irving hopes that it doesn't matter.
64:26And from their point of view, it's a good sign that Tucker had to take a pay cut to stay on the team.
64:33It is just a little bit concerning because both Kenneth Gainwell and Sean Tucker had a lot more carries inside the five yard line than Bucky Irving.
64:41And in fact, everyone who had a carry inside the five yard line last year had more carries than Bucky Irving.
64:47So I, I, I think that the trap back risk is a little higher.
64:52I'd still take him over scataboo, but, um, it's, it's there.
64:55He, he could just be kind of a, between the twenties, early down guy.
65:00I got a lot of news items here. Most of them don't really matter, but let's pick the ones that do.
65:06Unfortunately, this matters. Hate to see this. Jamie Keenan Allen arrested for DWI, um, to just from a fantasy standpoint, unfortunately to be cold about it.
65:14Sorry about that. I always hate these news items.
65:17Um, did this change anything for you with the Colts?
65:20Well, two things did. I mean, one out Pierce being cleared and ready to go on top of Keenan Allen getting in trouble off the field.
65:28Less than two weeks into his tenure with the Colts.
65:31Like, it just doesn't feel like is the risk worth the reward for a 34 year old wide receiver.
65:37So you wonder, are they going to let this play out?
65:40Is there going to be a suspension? You know, how's this all going to work for the Colts passing game?
65:46But for somebody who was worth a late round flyer while Pierce was on the pop list.
65:52Now I don't think he's worth it. Okay. Do we move downs up or anything like that?
65:57I mean, I, I, I think if you were in on Josh Downs, you should stay in on Josh Downs.
66:03If you were out on Josh Downs, you probably still going to be out on Josh Downs.
66:08Keenan Allen's probably still going to play. I don't think they're going to cut him if they would have, they probably would
66:15have done it yesterday, but maybe there's a suspension.
66:18They decide to move on. It's just a matter of like, how much were they just waiting for him to be ready?
66:25And then signing him that this was the plan all along.
66:28And they're willing to just put up with this, you know, off field scenario.
66:32Or is it like, Hey man, we, we value your service, but can't be doing this.
66:37Bye bye. Didn't they cut, it was a Nick, they got no Nick Westbrook yesterday.
66:42You did. Yeah. Which week we wasn't probably ever going to matter anyway, but he might've mattered if Keenan Allen was gone.
66:49I, I generally, like I, I agree with you.
66:52I hate talking about the situations. I pretty much just read what drew Davenport writes about the league's policy.
66:57And he seemed pretty skeptical that anything would happen.
67:00NFL wise to Keenan Allen before this situation is resolved.
67:03It sounds like he was parked at the time that it happened.
67:07So. Yeah. Also, Judy, import does, does not, from what I read this morning, does not have Josh Jacobs on his draft board.
67:14Right. It's very staying away from Jacobs. For reasonable reasons.
67:17Keenan Allen in full PPR, it's like round 12 plus.
67:20And if he ends up being suspended, you just cut him.
67:24I know that they like Ashton Doolin and they drafted a guy, Dion Burks, and those guys made the team.
67:30And that's why Keenan Westbrook, Keenan is no longer around in Indy.
67:34I'm going to call it a show here. Fab thoughts tomorrow.
67:37Just for those of you who want a little fab primer and some more news items, like what the Raiders are saying
67:44about their running backs, which he's already kind of alluded to, um, a surprising cut in Denver and not much more.
67:50The Dallas Cowboys is acquiring an offensive tackle, uh, but we'll have more certainly between, uh, now and then to update you on.
67:57Okay. Thanks for watching. By the way, tomorrow we're also on CBS sports network and Thursday, every Tuesday and Thursday going forward
68:04at noon Eastern, we'll be on CBS sports network.
68:07Wow. Yeah. I mean, mostly you should just watch the Tuesday shows, but yeah, the Thursday shows exist too.
68:13Um, Lionel Messi has retired. Oh, I thought you were wowing the fact that I promoted a show.
68:18I'm not on Messi retired in the middle of the season or his season's.
68:23Let's see. He has announced his retirement from professional football.
68:26I almost went to the game a couple of weeks ago when I was down there.
68:31Been able to see him, or maybe not. I don't know.
68:34They can go to the game. We'll talk to you tomorrow on fantasy football today.
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