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Most Upside in Rounds 3-5 (05/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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1 hr 5 min
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May 26, 2026
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Tue, May 26, 2026
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Colston LovelandKyren WilliamsA.J. BrownChris OlaveDalton KincaidDavid MontgomeryDrake MayeJavonte WilliamsJeremiyah LoveJoe BurrowLamar JacksonLuther BurdenMalik NabersMatthew Stafford
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Player insights
A.J. Brown
PositiveRole0:50
A.J. Brown's elite status is being questioned, but he still has the potential for a strong season with a new quarterback.
Insight pageChris Olave
PositiveBreakout0:56
Chris Olave is expected to have a strong season, with a good chance to command a significant target share.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveUsage0:05
Colson Loveland's potential to hit 14 or more PPR fantasy points per game hinges on his target share, with expectations around seven to eight targets per game.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout0:43
Colston Loveland could emerge as a top tight end in fantasy, with a potential for 10 targets per game based on his recent performance.
Insight pageDalton Kincaid
PositiveProjection0:44
Dalton Kincaid is feeling healthy and had an impressive efficiency last season, suggesting he could be a valuable asset if he stays on the field.
Insight pageDavid Montgomery
PositiveValue0:30
David Montgomery is seen as a low-end number two running back with the potential for 1,000 yards and 8 to 10 touchdowns, making him a worthy pick in round five.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveProjection0:13
Drake May had an impressive second year with a 72% completion percentage and 8.9 yards per attempt, but still fell short of Lamar Jackson's best seasons in terms of fantasy points per game.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
PositiveRole0:58
Javante Williams is expected to have a significant role, but there are concerns about his usage in the passing game.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
PositiveBreakout0:33
Jeremiah Love is viewed as a talented rookie with the potential to lead his team in total yardage, despite concerns about his touchdown opportunities.
Insight pageJoe Burrow
PositiveProjection0:00
Joe Burrow is projected to have significant upside, potentially scoring around 27 fantasy points per game, making him a top option at his position.
Insight pageKyren Williams
PositiveBreakout0:18
Kyron Williams has a clear path to increased touches and touchdown opportunities, making him a strong candidate for a breakout season.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout0:35
Kyron Williams has significant upside, especially with the Rams' high number of carries from close range last season.
Insight pageLamar Jackson
PositiveProjection0:32
Lamar Jackson has the potential to be the top quarterback in fantasy, with projections of 29 to 31 fantasy points per game, significantly outpacing Josh Allen's recent averages.
Insight pageLuther Burden
PositiveBreakout0:25
Luther Burden has the potential for significant growth in his role, especially with vacated targets from DJ Moore.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
PositiveInjury0:43
Malik Nabors is currently injured, which raises concerns about his ability to contribute early in the season.
Insight pageMatthew Stafford
PositiveDepth Chart0:06
Matthew Stafford's contract extension through 2027 solidifies his position as the starting quarterback, which bodes well for the Rams' offensive potential.
Insight pageTyreek Hill
NegativeInjury0:07
Tyreek Hill's recovery from a severe leg injury may delay his return until midway through the season, raising concerns for fantasy managers.
Insight pageZay Flowers
PositiveBreakout0:19
Zay Flowers is projected to have a breakout season with increased opportunities in the Baltimore offense.
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Episode Transcript
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1:42This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play!
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1:53He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:59And good morning and happy Tuesday to everybody. Hope everyone had a great three-day weekend.
2:04Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. Today, we're looking at groups of players in the same round, at the same position.
2:10Who has the most upside? Doesn't necessarily mean you should draft them first in that group, but it's a fun conversation to have.
2:17Good morning, Dave. Is this a game of who has more?
2:21I didn't think of it that way, but it certainly can be.
2:25Good morning, Heath. Hi, Adam. Hey, Jamie. Good morning.
2:28Or, hey, Heath. Good morning, Jamie. Jamie. Congratulations to your Knicks.
2:31Woo! Somebody had to say it. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie.
2:35Yeah. They're fun. They're not that fun. I can tell you.
2:38You know, I was group chatting. Yeah, no, I was, you know, are you kidding me?
2:43Listen, listen. I was group texting with my cousins who are big Knicks fans, and they said they were almost on the
2:50verge of tears during the trophy presentation. I'm like, we killed them.
2:54We destroyed them three games in a row. We're killing everyone.
2:58This isn't fun. This is embarrassing. No, what you're saying is embarrassing.
3:02As someone whose basketball team hasn't, like, barely sniffed the playoffs in two decades, feels like two decades, it's more like one.
3:09Like, I would be having the time of my life if my team were in the finals right now.
3:15It's just too easy. And you're not calling them fun.
3:18You're not allowed to watch anymore. You're not allowed to watch your team in the finals.
3:23That's it. That's it. I'm sure I'll have tennis and softball matches conflicting, but it's just.
3:28Softball matches. Oh, yeah. Softball matches. Too easy. It's just too easy right now.
3:33You know, it's hard to. Who do you want?
3:35Who do you want to see? Spurs. Spurs and seven is my Western Conference hope.
3:40You know, I think we can take them. I don't think we can take a healthy Thunder.
3:46But no, you never know. They're playing great. Anyway, also, you know, the other thing is they've clinched all three rounds on
3:53the road, which is a little anticlimactic. Like, I don't get to celebrate with their fans.
3:58But, you know, Nixon five. Do they still do 2-3-2 or do they do 2-2-1-1-1?
4:03Oh, my God. In the finals. They do 1-1-1 now?
4:06Yes. Okay. That Nixon six. All right. So, this episode's about upside.
4:10So, I did all this research this morning that I don't think is going to really apply to anyone we talk about
4:17today because we're starting in round three. But I just thought I have some interesting numbers.
4:22I think you might find them a little fascinating just for your round one and two guys.
4:27Maybe round three. What do you need to be a running back who averages 19 or more PPR fantasy points per game over the last five years?
4:36Most of them had 21 touches per game. And if they didn't, almost all of the guys who didn't have 21 touches
4:43per game had at least four catches per game.
4:46It's just a number you might want to look for.
4:49Wide receivers. This one was interesting. 20 wide receivers averaged 19 or more fantasy points per game in PPR over the last five years.
4:57All of them, all of them averaged 9.6 or more targets per game except for Debo Samuel when he had all those
5:04eight rushing touchdowns, 400-ish rushing yards, whatever it was.
5:07That was the only one. 9.6 targets per game to get to 19 or more PPR fantasy points per game for a wide receiver.
5:14I started this research, guys, because of Colson Loveland.
5:17And can he get enough targets to hit a certain number?
5:21So, I went with 14 or more PPR fantasy points per game.
5:25For a tight end to get that over the last five years, most of them, other than George Kittle, have averaged seven or more targets per game.
5:33Kittle three times and Tucker Craft in eight games last year are the only tight ends who got to 14 or more
5:40points per game without seven or more targets. How about 15 or more points per game?
5:45That's a more exclusive club. All of the guys, I think there have been seven tight ends in the last five years
5:52who've gotten to 15 points per game. They've all averaged 8.4 targets per game or more, except for George Kittle.
5:59So, that's just a number there. 15 points per game is really elite.
6:03Would you set—would you—how many tight ends would you draft and be disappointed if they averaged exactly 15 points per game?
6:10Two. Two. Okay. So, you'd take that for Loveland?
6:13Yes. Are you kidding? Of course. Yeah. Would you take 14 points per game for Loveland?
6:18Yes. Okay. You think he'll get eight or more targets per game?
6:22No. You think he'll get seven? Around seven, yes.
6:24I think it'll be around eight per game. Heath?
6:27I'm trying to do some math. So, that's 136 targets.
6:31So, I— That's eight. Eight or seven? That's eight per game.
6:34Eight. Yeah. Okay. Eight per game is 136 targets.
6:37I think somebody on the Bears between Bird and Odunze and Loveland will get to eight.
6:42I have all three of them at seven and a half.
6:46Seven and a half? Okay. Well, that's great. That's great for Loveland.
6:49All right. So, yeah. That's the elites. That's what we're looking at in terms of touches and targets.
6:55Heath, what are we looking at for FFT Dynasty this week?
6:59I got Smitty coming on in about an hour and ten minutes.
7:03We're playing two today. It's a doubleheader. We're talking about some of the injury storylines that we're watching going into this season.
7:10And if any of those matter from a Dynasty perspective, other than the fact that they might be cheaper to acquire right now.
7:17Okay. Well, certainly Malik Neighbors is going to be discussed on that show.
7:21We'll get to him in a minute. Mailbag Thursday.
7:24Thursday. Yay! Thursday mailbag. Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
7:27We got a lot of emails, so a lot to catch up on.
7:31News and notes. Heath, Malik Neighbors. Giants aren't sure when he's going to be able to play.
7:37Looking at early CBS ADP, he's going, I think, 25th overall.
7:40Where do we need to be drafting Malik Neighbors?
7:43I think I've got him right around 30, maybe just ahead of.
7:47I think it's interesting because it's not just when he's going to play, but if he's going to be the same guy.
7:54I think if you told everybody, you know what, he's going to start on the pup.
7:59He's not going to play the first four weeks.
8:02But then he's going to be the Malik Neighbors that we've seen in the past for the last 13 weeks of the season.
8:09We might still take him at 25th. But the concern is that not just that he misses a couple games at the
8:17start of the year, but that he's not the same guy.
8:20Yep. Moved him down this morning. Round four. Wow.
8:23Well, you know, in the spirit of the discussion we're having today, if we're thinking about upside, you know, right now he's
8:30going in between Nico Collins and AJ Brown. But I would expect that to drop to the Chris Olave, Devante Smith, Tedderall McMillan, Emeka, Buka, T.
8:38Higgins range. Late round three and into round four.
8:41Those guys are all round three picks right now on CBS.
8:45But we're talking about Malik Neighbors, Jamie. So we got a 30th overall roughly for Heath.
8:50We got round four for Dave, which is 37th or later.
8:53What about you for Neighbors? We call him 40th overall for me.
8:57Okay, 40th. He's the end of round three, 36.
9:00Right in the middle. But very adorbs. Okay. That's Neighbors.
9:03More news. Matthew Stafford signed a contract extension through 2027.
9:06So, Dave, what do you think that would mean for anyone who would be wanting to draft Ty Simpson in a dynasty league right now?
9:14Shouldn't be surprising. Simpson is a long-term play in dynasty.
9:18It's as simple as that. When he gets his opportunity, hopefully he's ready to go.
9:22And I'm happy for Stafford. Got paid. One way to feel better about your team taking a quarterback in round one is
9:30to get $55 million in your bank account. And now we see Stafford with one of the best receiving cores in the NFL, a good offensive line.
9:38There's potential for it to be solid even after this season.
9:42I think you can feel good about Stafford going into 2026.
9:45Right now you can't feel great about Jacoby Brissett.
9:48He and the Cardinals are not close on contract negotiations, according to ESPN.
9:52This doesn't seem like a big deal, but Devon Achan missed at least one OTA session with an unknown injury, according to the Miami Herald.
10:00Anybody moved Achan based on this report? No. Not me.
10:03Still a round two pick. This does seem like a big deal.
10:07Adam Schefter reporting that Tyreek Hill may not be ready until midway through the season.
10:12Recovering from a broken leg. Right? Tyreek Hill? Yeah.
10:15What did you say? Didn't he tear ligaments in his knee, too?
10:19Yeah, I think it was just a massive injury.
10:22Yeah, it was a bad one. Like everything broke.
10:25Have no plans to extend Rasheed Rice before the season starts, according to Schefter.
10:29And he's set to be a free agent. Not Schefter.
10:32I don't know his contract status. But Rice is set to be a free agent after this season.
10:38Dalton Kincaid said this is probably the best he has ever felt at this point in the year.
10:44He's really battled injuries, especially over the last two years.
10:47Last season, Kincaid didn't even crack 50 targets. He did get to 40.
10:51But he had 2.83 yards per outrun, which is the best yards per outrun for a tight end with 40 or more targets.
10:59Since George Kittle in 2020. I will warn you, Chigo Conquo once averaged 2.65 yards per outrun in 2022 on 46 targets.
11:06But Kincaid was really efficient last year. Just couldn't really stay on the field as they were limiting his workload.
11:12He feels good. Joe Hortiz, the GM of the Chargers, did not rule out signing Keenan Allen.
11:17We don't want that for fantasy purposes. But for Keenan Allen's purposes, it would be very nice for him.
11:23Bryce Young is looking really good at OTAs, according to Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network.
11:28Brandon Iyuk, according to Cam Inman of the Mercury News, is expected to be released or traded by the end of the summer.
11:36Pittsburgh offensive tackle Broderick Jones has got this neck injury.
11:39He says he has no timeline for a return.
11:42And the Giants looks like they lost a starting defensive tackle, perhaps.
11:46Roy Robertson-Harris, at least a rotational player, probably for the season with a torn Achilles.
11:50Tough break there. Break or upside? Break or upside?
11:53Let's do upside. All right, let's go to round three.
11:56If you go to CBSSports.com, the best way to do it is probably to Google it.
12:02But CBS Sports ADP and check our PPR ADP.
12:04And we'll show you the results here as we take you through round three.
12:09I'll just give you a group them by position.
12:12Running backs drafted in round three. Who has the most upside?
12:15Heath Cummings, Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall, or Kyron Williams?
12:18I'll play my role and be the guy to say Kyron Williams.
12:22And I think there's a couple of paths to that happening.
12:26One is something happens to Blake Corum and all of a sudden Kyron Williams has 22 touches a game.
12:32Two is we're not going to do the Devontae Adams goal line wide receiver thing anymore.
12:37And Kyron Williams gets back to 16 touchdowns in a season.
12:40So I should have laid out these parameters and I apologize.
12:44I always do that to you. But I think let's do non-injury upside.
12:48If you want to mention injury upside, I think it's worth mentioning.
12:52Sure. Is Kyron Williams' situation any different than, well, if there's a James Conner, I guess we would need a Conner and Algier injury?
13:00Yes, because the Rams offense is good and is going to score a bunch of touchdowns.
13:05Sure. Okay. All right. But I think let's do non-injury upside.
13:08But if you think it's really worth mentioning injury upside, like in a T Higgins or something like that, then I think go ahead and bring it up.
13:17But if we take injuries away from the equation, would you still pick Kyron in this group of Love, Hall, Kyron?
13:24I'll still say Kyron because I think the touchdown upside and how good the offense is.
13:29Dave, who's got the most upside? Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall, Kyron Williams.
13:33I'll play my role and say Jeremiah Love. I think he's got the path to, I don't know if path is the right word.
13:40Let me start over. I think he's got the most talent of these three running backs.
13:46And I know that sounds silly. He's a rookie.
13:48He's never played in the NFL. I've watched all three of these guys.
13:53I just love what Love brings to the field.
13:56Will he have that pathway to have the type of workload that these other two running backs, who I think are going
14:03to end up sharing, as long as everybody's healthy, will have?
14:06Well, he's going to share too, but I think he's going to be better than we think he is as a pass catcher.
14:13I think he'll be used that way a lot.
14:16And I think he could probably lead this trio in total yardage.
14:20The touchdowns is what I worry about. And I'm not sure if Arizona is on the same level as LA when it comes to touchdowns.
14:28They're not. But I do think that there is a chance for him.
14:32Let's call it 17 PPR points per game. Not saying he's going to do it.
14:37I'm saying he's got the upside to get there.
14:40And I don't quite see that for Brees Hall.
14:43And Kyron can get there. Kyron's got the safer floor.
14:46But I think that Jeremiah Love has just a little bit more upside because he's just the better talent in Arizona compared
14:53to Kyron sharing with Corum, maybe into a 50-50 split in LA.
14:57Jamie, who has the most upside? Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall, or Kyron Williams?
15:01Yeah, I would have said Brees Hall anyway. So I'll make the case for him just because what we saw from him at times in his career.
15:10And obviously the knock for Brees Hall is going to be he's on a terrible team.
15:15He's always been on a terrible team. So what we saw at the start of his rookie season before the ACL tear,
15:22what we saw from him as a pass catcher coming back in his second year when nobody expected him to do anything from a production standpoint.
15:30He can, I think, win in all categories except for maybe the touchdown potential that Kyron Williams has.
15:36But he's sharing the least of these three by far, even if he is going to share at all.
15:42So maybe Braylon Allen coming back from injury is going to have a role.
15:47Maybe Isaiah Davis is going to have a role.
15:50They clearly just paid Brees Hall to be a featured back.
15:53We know for right now at least Jeremiah Love is sharing with potentially two other running backs.
15:58And clearly the Rams have made it clear that they want to make it a, you know, the reports at least a 50-50 split with Blake Warren.
16:07We saw what that was like at the end of last season.
16:11So I think the safest of the three is easily Kyron Williams.
16:15I think the other two have potentially more upside if things work their way.
16:19But obviously just from a who's sharing the least, it's clearly Brees Hall.
16:23So Hall and Love are on terrible offenses right now.
16:27I think Hall can get back to being a factor in the passing game.
16:31I don't know if he will, but he can.
16:34And then clearly he has the potential to be the best runner of this trio because he's already shown it.
16:40So I'm hopeful for Brees Hall. Now he's the ranked last of these three for a variety of reasons.
16:46But I think just looking at it in terms of everything goes right and nobody is removed from the roster, whether due
16:54to injury or personnel changes, Brees Hall is going to get the most touches of this trio if everything goes in his favor.
17:01All right. I'll come back to that, the touches debate after a break.
17:05So we'll take a break and then we'll finish up the running backs in this round.
17:10Only three, only Love, Hall and Kyron Williams. And then we'll talk about a lot of wide receivers going in round three right now.
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19:11Brees Hall for the season. Well, actually, let me say Kyron Williams.
19:15Like once Corum started getting involved more, let's go from week seven.
19:19I mean, I could even go back to week four for Kyron Williams.
19:23Um, but from week seven on and including the playoffs, Kyron Williams averaged 14.9 carries per game.
19:28Most weeks, he was right around 13 or 14 carries per game.
19:32He had a couple of three weeks with over 20, but 14.8 carries per game for Kyron Williams.
19:38Then you go, oh, Brees Hall wasn't really sharing with anyone.
19:42Braylon Allen had the season ending injury early. Brees Hall for the entire season averaged 15.1 carries per game.
19:48Um, and that was dominating carries for the team, but they just couldn't really run the ball because they stunk, you know?
19:55Um, so I don't know, Jamie, when you think of it that way with almost the worst of Kyron Williams was 15, roughly 15 carries per game.
20:03And then Brees Hall is more or less the feature back all year was 15.1, 15.2 carries per game.
20:09Um, you know, what do you think about that going into 2026?
20:13I mean, look again, he's, he's ranked third of this group.
20:17I have, I haven't loved Kyron Brees, but the, the question being upside, I'm not expecting Brees Hall's 2025 to carry over to 2026.
20:24I mean, that was, I think as bad as we've seen for the jets during his time there.
20:30So I'm counting on it being a quarterback upgrade.
20:33I'm counting on the offensive line being better. They really focused on adding pieces to this offense with two first round picks.
20:40So the hope would be, and again, it's hope, but you know, again, we're, we're, we're talking about the most rosy outcome
20:47here is that we see Brees Hall getting back involved, not to what he was in his second season, you know, 70
20:54catch guy, but I think he could be a 40 catch guy.
20:58And then hopefully getting a couple more touchdown opportunities because the team is better.
21:03And then the contract speaks to, okay, this is our guy, you know, cause they could have easily said, we're going to
21:10let you play it out, the franchise tag. And then we're done with you.
21:14Like this is a guy that they invested in with a team.
21:18I think that's trying to compete in 2027 and beyond.
21:21I don't think they're going to be a competitive team this year.
21:25They'll be better, but they don't think they're a, they're a Superbowl team or even a playoff team.
21:31So I just think you look at Brees Hall again, if everything works out for these guys, as you, you know, gave
21:38us the caveat, no injuries, he doesn't have to worry about that.
21:42I think Kyron needs Blake Corham to be missing time to maximize his potential.
21:46And we've seen his points per game go down each of the last three years.
21:51And I think in the case of Jeremiah love, if this is a three headed monster, it could be awful on a bad team.
21:59You know? So while talent wise, he's significantly better on paper than Tyler Algier and James Conner at this point in his career.
22:06Like if Jeremiah love is losing passing down work to Conner or whatever work to Conner and losing touch on opportunities, Tyler
22:13Algier, then we're talking about a trap back. Now, again, looking at upside, I think Jeremiah love has immense upside, but I
22:20think if you say all three, this happens, this happens, this happens, nothing changes personnel wise.
22:25Bruce Hall's gonna be better than the other two.
22:28Okay. That's three different takes. I guess I'm not going to weigh in much, but I think I'll break the tie here.
22:35Give me Kyron Williams with the most upside. Last year, the Rams had 24 carries from the three yard line or closer.
22:42The Cardinals had 12 and the Jets had five.
22:45So 24 for the Rams, 17 for the Cardinals and Jets combined.
22:49It's the touchdowns, but I see all your points.
22:52All right, let's go to wide receivers. How many of those did Kyron have?
22:56I don't know. At some point they split pretty evenly.
22:59I remember that. Like I know inside the five, three, one to three yard line.
23:04All right. Give me a minute. Yeah. All right.
23:07While you do that, Heath, let's take a look at the wide receivers.
23:11I'm going to split the wide receivers up the first three and the last five.
23:16A lot of wide receivers in this round. The first three are Nico Collins, Malik Neighbors, and AJ Brown.
23:22The last five are Olave, Devante Smith, McMillan, Abuka, T.
23:25Higgins. Nico, Neighbors, AJ Brown, who has the most upside?
23:29We're doing this non-injury upside, but how are we dealing with a guy who is currently injured?
23:34I'm sorry. Non-injury upside as in non-injury to a teammate upside.
23:38So I will say if Malik Neighbors is healthy, I think he has the most upside.
23:43But knowing what you know now, how do you look at their upside now?
23:47Because he's not healthy. Right. But we're like five months from any football being played.
23:52Or four months from any football being played. I think it's a really tough question.
23:57Three and a half months. Four months is depressing, Heath.
24:00He's missing off-season workouts, though. So he's missing football.
24:03Hold on a second. Do we all agree that if Neighbors gets a couple of weeks worth of training camp practice, that
24:10he's got the most upside of the group? I do not.
24:13Okay. Because we have enough track record of guys coming off of injuries that there's...
24:18Yeah. Totally fair. Just ask the question. It's Nico for me.
24:22I'll just get the conversation started. I said I wasn't going to give opinions.
24:26I'm sorry. No, you're fine. It's Nico for me, too.
24:29It's Nico. So I think... Yeah, I think it's...
24:32It's Malik Neighbors if he can get healthy, and Nico if he can be healthy for the first time ever.
24:39But as things stand now, I think it's hard to really buy into Neighbors.
24:43I think it's hard to buy into Nico playing a full season.
24:47Healthy. That's a good point. Why isn't it A.J.
24:50Brown? Would none of us said A.J. Brown? I think he would be next up for me.
24:55Has there been... I'm sure I think this. Have there been...
24:59Do we consider A.J. Brown still elite? Or near elite, I guess?
25:03I think the work... I think the volume will be...
25:06No, no. Just as a player. ...what you would expect.
25:09As a player, nah. It feels like he's going...
25:12Okay, I guess let me rephrase it, because Devante Adams last year wasn't elite.
25:16But superstar caliber receiver. Changes teams. Yeah. Has there been a guy that's been bad?
25:21Like ever? Probably. What a great question. Randy Moss?
25:24When he went to Oakland? Mm-hmm. I recall. I would even say Devante Adams when he went to Oakland.
25:30I mean, or Las Vegas, right? He was... I think he had a good year, but it was...
25:36He was pretty good. I mean, like terrible. Has anybody been terrible?
25:40Yes. Because you think about like... Devante goes to Buffalo.
25:43He's... You know, he's not an A.J. Brown. He didn't have A.J.
25:47Brown's resume at that point. Devante Adams last year, I mean, you know, not great, but touchdowns were awesome.
25:53Jamie, I'm not... Ruling out A.J. Brown is still an elite player.
25:57I mean... Yeah. He was playing hurt all of last year on a bad offense that...
26:02And he had that stretch, but he was over 19 points per game.
26:06It was like a six-game stretch. And now he's going to Drake May.
26:10You know, I mean, when you look at the passing numbers for the Texans...
26:15Sorry, I shouldn't just assume he's going to New England, but if he does, the passing numbers for the Giants who want
26:22to run the air out of the ball, the Texans and the Patriots, I mean, it could be a slaughter in favor of the Patriots.
26:30I might be changing my answer here. Of course, we have to treat it.
26:34He's still listed as on the Eagles, but... That's just kind of how I'm seeing it, guys.
26:40Like, these are three tremendous receivers that should dominate targets for their teams, but the pie is much bigger.
26:46That's an expression you use a lot, Heath. Like, the pie is bigger.
26:50I think you kind of use that in terms of targets, but if we just look at...
26:55In terms of yards and touchdowns, I think it's going to be much bigger for the Patriots than it would be for the Giants or Texans.
27:04Yes. Yeah. Bigger. I don't think it's going to be...
27:07I don't think Gap will be as big as it was last year.
27:11Like I've said before, I don't think Drake May is going to repeat his efficiency from last year.
27:17I agree, but man, they have... Their schedule was so easy last year.
27:21It's a lot harder this year. Especially the first four games.
27:25I forgot the note. I sent you guys an article.
27:28Great article on CBSSports.com with all these schedule notes.
27:31The Patriots have, I don't know, one of the hardest first four games ever or something like that, so I think they're
27:38probably going to have to throw more. All right, so you got different answers there.
27:42Nico Collins or maybe Malik Nabors if he's healthy.
27:45Let's go to the last five in this group.
27:48Olave, Devante Smith, Tedaroa McMillan, Emeka Abuka, and T.
27:51Higgins. Olave, Devante Smith, McMillan, Abuka, T. Higgins. Dave, who has the most upside?
27:56First of all, these are the receivers ranked 12 through 16 in my PPR rankings, so I find that kind of amusing.
28:03I've got Abuka the highest of the group. We've seen him get a lot of targets already as a rookie on a
28:10team with Mike Evans, and then when Godwin came back, he was still getting a good target share.
28:15I hate that he got banged up and that Baker got banged up and it harpooned the year that Abuka was building
28:22last year, but we saw enough from him to recognize that he is a great talent who should command a lot of targets.
28:30It's a close call for me as far as upside goes between him, McMillan, who could also command a lot of targets,
28:37and Devante Smith, who I'd be worried a little bit about target volume but not efficiency with Philadelphia because they don't throw
28:44a lot, but Abuka's the one I'm drafting first from this group of five.
28:48I also have your Rams carries inside the three update for those who still give a damn about Kyron versus Corum.
28:55All right, go ahead. That's so five minutes ago.
28:58Go ahead real quick on that. Kyron had 13 carries inside the three, scored seven touchdowns.
29:03Blake Corum had nine carries inside the three. He scored four touchdowns.
29:07Stafford had the other two carries, no touchdowns. So you said Abuka's ranked highest, but did you say he has the most upside among them?
29:15Highest because he has the most upside. Olave, Devante Smith, Teddero McMillan, Abuka, T.
29:19Higgins. Jamie, who has the most upside? It's Abuka.
29:22You know, again, what we saw in the first four games last year is, you know, something that I'm hoping is replicated
29:29to a degree because Evans is gone, because Godwin's a year older, because, because, because.
29:34I mean, there's just a lot to like about the situation here for him, and so hopefully Zach Robinson, the new offensive
29:41coordinator recognizes the, the talent that Abuka has, and you know, the, the fact that the, the Bucks thinking ahead drafted him
29:48with a first round pick last year with, I think the idea of him being the leader of this group or one
29:55of the leaders of this group this year. I kind of feel the same way about the, the trio of running backs that we talked about.
30:04To me, T. Higgins is the safest just because we've seen him, you know, be at this level for the most part.
30:11He's got the most touchdown upside. He's shown that, you know, 21 touchdowns the last few years.
30:16So I think he's the safest of this group.
30:19But in terms of, I think reaching another gear and hopefully doing it for a full season, I think it's Abuka.
30:26Heath? Yeah, I think it's Abuka. I've got a lot, he's not first, second, or third for me in the rankings of this group.
30:33I have a lot of concerns about his floor in the Tampa Bay offense in general.
30:39But if we get good Baker, then I think there's a very good chance that Abuka just has a fantastic season.
30:45So I think he has the highest upside. Man, Devontae Smith, I always say, like Devontae Smith, when either A.J.
30:52Brown or Dallas Goddard hasn't been there, he basically performs like wide receiver 12 overall.
30:56And that's almost all of that is no Dallas Goddard.
31:00There have not been a lot of no A.J.
31:03Brown games. I think three. Three games. He's been 14.7 points or more in all three.
31:08And I think he's averaged eight or nine targets per game.
31:11So that's exciting. And then Higgins had a season two years ago, 2024.
31:15He averaged 18.7 PPR fantasy points per game because he had 10 touchdowns in 12 games.
31:20But there's the possibility of Joe Burrow throwing 45 touchdowns.
31:24So, all right, fun group. We all set a Buka?
31:27Yep. Yep. Cool. Let's move on to round. Oh, there's one tight end in this group.
31:32It's Brock Bowers and no quarterbacks in round three currently in our ADP Brock Bowers.
31:37Does Brock Bauer, is there any wide receiver or running back I mentioned that has more upside than Brock Bowers?
31:43Love, Hall, Kyron, Nico, Neighbors, A.J. Brown, Olave, Devante Smith, McMillan, Abuka Higgins.
31:47Anyone have more upside than Bowers? The only two for me would be Nico and A.J.
31:52Brown, but I don't have a rank that way.
31:55Okay. I think it depends on whether you're talking about like upside in terms of the total number of fantasy points they
32:02could score or upside in terms of compared to replacement cost at their position.
32:07Because I think upside in terms of the total number of fantasy points scored, most of the wide receivers have more upside.
32:14Correct. Makes sense. Okay, let's go to round four.
32:17Round four, we got five running backs. Cam Scadaboo, Travis Etienne, Javante Williams, Quinshawn Judkins, and Bucky Irving.
32:23Just had a recent report about how the, not necessarily what the split will be, but how the Bucs will split touches
32:30in the backfield, but Bucky Irving will be the main guy.
32:33But Scadaboo, Etienne, Javante Williams, Quinshawn Judkins, Bucky Irving, Dave, you can start.
32:37Who has the most upside? This is a tough one because you can make a case for almost every single one of these running backs.
32:45And I think if we're removing injury, I think I'd lean on Scadaboo.
32:49We saw the six-game sample from last year. We know that he's usable as a pass catcher.
32:55We know that John Harbaugh has definitely been entrenched as a let's run the ball type of coach and commanding that from the offense.
33:03They're already talking like they want him to help shoulder that huge workload.
33:07I think he probably has the highest ceiling without considering injury at all.
33:11Jamie, who has the most upside? Cam Scadaboo, Travis Etienne, Javante Williams, Quinshawn Judkins, Bucky Irving.
33:16I think Dave said it best. You can make a case for all these guys, especially if the Saints move on from Alman Camaro.
33:24But I'm going to go with the two sophomores.
33:27I have Scadaboo ranked ahead of Judkins. But you want to see hopefully these guys are back at 100%.
33:33Judkins does look great by all accounts. So that's fun to see.
33:37But we saw Scadaboo last year in that stretch of games, that small sample size, but those six games, over 19 PPR points per game.
33:45And I think that's something that he could hopefully get close to with a full workload in this offense with now John Harbaugh as the head coach.
33:53Because what Harbaugh has done, and we talked about this a lot when Derrick Henry was going from Tennessee to Baltimore, he wins.
34:01And so anytime you have a situation where the team is ahead, there's going to be a lot of opportunities to run the ball.
34:08I think he'll be involved in the passing game.
34:11So I give a slight edge to Scadaboo over Judkins, but those are my two favorites.
34:16He's on pace for 60 catches if you take out the two games.
34:20Scadaboo played 21.2% or fewer of the snaps. That's really a lot.
34:24Heath, who has the most upside in the group?
34:27Again, it's Scadaboo, ETN, Javante, Judkins, Bucky. I would go with the two sophomores also, but I'll lean Judkins, of course, because I'm the Judkins guy.
34:35I think he's just a slightly better runner than Cam Scadaboo, and I think the receiving production you saw from Scadaboo last
34:42year is probably going to shrink drastically with Malik Nabors back and Isaiah likely on the team.
34:48Do you guys think Javante Williams, I'm sorry to keep repeating it.
34:52I know if you're watching, it's easy to follow along.
34:55If you're listening, I don't know how easy it is to remember the five guys we're talking about at all times, but
35:02it's Scadaboo, Judkins, ETN, Javante, and Bucky Irving. Do you think Javante Williams leads this group in snaps or at least snap share?
35:09If Camara's still in New Orleans, yes. It's either him or Quinchon.
35:13I'm going to go with Quinchon. Really? Yeah. So Javante, they don't use him much on passing downs?
35:19I mean, I know he's not. Okay. I don't even know what the snap share was for Javante last year.
35:25Yeah, take a look. I'm looking at it now.
35:28It looks like for the season, well, he had a couple of games later in the year where he didn't play as much.
35:3668% for the year. The first 13 games of the season, he was at 75%.
35:40Wow. That's a big number, right? What was that?
35:43Yes. The 75%. I don't think Judkins can get to that.
35:47If it's the 68%, then I'd like his chances a little better.
35:51So, and then you think about the argument, not the discussion we just had, who has more upside, Kyron Williams versus Brees
35:58Hall and Jeremiah Love, and perfectly valid argument that Heath made and I seconded, said Kyron because of the offense.
36:04Isn't Javante Williams going to have a lot more opportunities to score than Quinshawn Judkins?
36:09Yeah. Yes. So why doesn't he have the most upside?
36:12I mean, again, it's not an easy I think you take Bucky Irving off this group just because of what the offseason
36:19storyline has been and the additions that they made or kept in the case of Sean Tucker.
36:25Like all four of the other guys, it wouldn't shock me if they're all in a similar range, if they all have
36:32great seasons, if they all take a step forward, maybe not ETN a step forward, but on the same plane at least, like they're all in great spots.
36:41You know, I think the health and offensive changes or, you know, just managerial changes in New York and Cleveland are going
36:48to be huge for the two guys there. And in the case of ETN, if there's no Camaro, which you know, even
36:55if he's there, it may not matter, but like, you know, the Cowboys offense is clearly going to be one of the
37:02best in football if everybody stays healthy and the Saints are one of the most or one of the best ascending offenses
37:09that we saw last year and I think got better this offseason.
37:13So it's this is probably of the different groupings that you've done.
37:16This is probably the toughest one for me just because I you can make a case for all these guys.
37:23So I just kind of gravitate toward the two younger running backs.
37:27I think that have a chance to maybe go to another level.
37:31I think what we saw from Javante last year is he's going to need to score a lot.
37:36He should score a lot, but he's going to need to score a lot.
37:41His role in the passing game scares me probably more so than anybody else here.
37:46And I think we could see a situation where Dallas may not give him the same amount of touches, even though there's
37:53not a lot of change in who the second, third, and fourth guy is on the depth chart.
37:58But I think they could give a little bit more work to Malik Davis this year just to take something off of Javante's plate.
38:06Okay, let's go to the wide receivers in round four here.
38:10And there are four of them. Garrett Wilson, Zay Flowers, Lad McConkie, and Luther Burden.
38:14Garrett Wilson, Zay Flowers, Lad McConkie, Luther Burden, Heath, who has the most upside?
38:19I'm going to go with Zay Flowers. Just throw the ball a little bit more Baltimore and let Zay Flowers have a seven or eight touchdown season.
38:28I think he's a top ten wide receiver. Dave?
38:30I don't know if I believe this, but I'll make the case for Garrett Wilson based on last year, based on him
38:37having this track record of getting a lot of volume and putting up good fantasy production.
38:43Now Geno Smith is the quarterback. This is arguably the best quarterback that he's had.
38:47Is he better than Aaron Rodgers? Maybe he's the second best quarterback that Garrett Wilson's ever had.
38:53And I know that they added some rookies to the passing game.
38:57I still think Garrett Wilson can get a good target share.
39:00I'm not necessarily saying that he should be the first one drafted of this group, but he's the one that might have
39:07the most upside based purely on volume. Jamie, who has the most upside?
39:11Garrett Wilson, Zay Flowers, Lad McConkie, or Luther Burden?
39:14I agree with Heath that it's Flowers. I guess I'll just make the case for Burden because everybody's going to want to
39:21see Burden take a huge step forward and hopefully he will.
39:25But you have 85 vacated targets from DJ Moore.
39:28We saw what Burden did at the end of the season in a couple of games when Odunze was hurt and he started to get opportunities.
39:36I mean, all of his advanced metrics are just off the charts and Burden has a chance, I think, to be featured
39:43in Ben Johnson's offense and that's the hope. And so can he get to where Garrett Wilson was last season in those
39:50five healthy games when he was over 19 PPR points per game?
39:54That's probably a big ask. Can he be more involved in the offense like what we're seeing from Zay Flowers last year?
40:01But I think if everybody hits their ceilings, I don't know if Burden gets to that level of where those other guys
40:08can get to and it's hard to discount what McConkie did his rookie season because he was pretty awesome.
40:14But I think Burden has clearly the highest, you know, the biggest room to grow and he may outgrow those other guys
40:21if he gets those chances to be featured by Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson this season.
40:26This I think is the toughest one that we've had so far.
40:30Wilson Flowers, McConkie Burden, who has the most upside?
40:33All right, we had two votes for Flowers, one for Garrett Wilson and we'll leave it there.
40:38We're going to take a break. There are three non-running back wide receivers being drafted in this round.
40:44We'll talk about their upside when we come back and then we'll get into round five after this on Fantasy Football Today.
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42:14Terms at aka.ms slash college PC. All right, who has the most upside in round four?
42:19Well, we've got one tight end and two quarterbacks.
42:22So if you think about them in terms of how they would outperform their position, the value of a replacement as we
42:29just discussed, Drake May, Lamar Jackson and Colston Loveland.
42:32Dave, what's the upside play there? Lamar is the upside play.
42:35Not that I love the idea of taking him in round four.
42:39I'm sure there will be some leagues where he's taken in round two, but he's the one that could be number one
42:46at his position by a multi fantasy point per game margin.
42:50We're talking potentially 29 to 31 fantasy points per game.
42:53That would be well ahead of what Josh Allen's been averaging over the last few years.
42:58You would love to have that. I don't think Loveland can achieve something similar to that at tight end.
43:04And I don't think Drake May will come close.
43:07It's funny because like Drake May, we've talked about it, just this historic second year, 8.9 yards per attempt, 72% completion percentage,
43:14had a touchdown rate over 6.3%, ran for 450 yards and four touchdowns, and he was still 80% of what Lamar Jackson's
43:21two best seasons have been in terms of fantasy points per game.
43:25That's like, it's, it's just not even when, when, when Lamar's at been at his best, there's almost nobody who touched him.
43:32Yeah. What a great pick. I think this is in round four.
43:36I don't know. Do you guys agree? Lamar Jackson here?
43:39Or just, I think Dave said he doesn't like it, but that's about where I've got him.
43:44I've got him as a late round four pick.
43:47I'd have a hard time taking him in PPR out of like guys I'm nervous about at other positions, some names, uh, Travion Henderson, DJ Moore, Devante.
43:56I don't think I'm going to, I'm going to take Lamar over those guys.
44:00Okay. All right. But how about this one for, uh, do you take neighbors or Lamar if you're drafting today?
44:07I'm pretty low on neighbors. Neighbors. I'm taking neighbors.
44:10It's, it's the reason I would take Loveland over the two quarterbacks here too.
44:14I mean, look, obviously Lamar is going to outscore the field if he does what he's capable of doing.
44:20And clearly if that's the route you want to go, I get it.
44:24But I mean, the fact that Drake may has put himself in this conversation speaks to what this position gives you every year.
44:32In some cases, a couple guys is that you find these quarterbacks late.
44:36Now you can say the same thing about Loveland that you found him late, but if you hit on the tight end
44:43and the tight end is good, it's such a difference maker that you, you, you almost want to hope that Loveland is what he's capable of being.
44:52I mean, 10 targets per game in his, you know, last five games, you know, like that's unheard of for what he could be this year.
45:00And now you're taking a player off the field in, in DJ more.
45:04You're, you're seeing this, you know, extremely talented first round pick finally started to develop at the end of the season.
45:11And so, I mean, look, I get Lamar's a great choice.
45:14And so is Drake made for that matter. You know, if he does what he's capable of doing now with the hope
45:21of, of AJ Brown, but Loveland could be the best tight end in fantasy next year.
45:27There's one other thing. Sorry. There's one other thing.
45:29Lamar stunk last year. It was pretty obvious. He obviously has the most upside, but he's also got some pretty bad downside.
45:36And if you're taking him that, this is why I won't take him in round two or round three is because that
45:44downside could make him a terrible pick, but can I, I feel like there's less downside with Loveland.
45:49And so you're waiting. I think there's, I think there's their position.
45:53I think there's much more downside with Loveland, but I think in the case of Lamar, like you're, you're not drafting him
46:00here with the, maybe he's going to be bad.
46:03You're drafting here with, okay, I just got the best quarterback in fantasy.
46:07And that's why you're taking him in the spot that you're taking him.
46:11I just think that the position's so saturated with talent.
46:15Like if you, if you're not taking him for his upside, you're taking him just because you think he's the best player
46:22there, which I don't know if that's why you want to draft him in that spot.
46:27So you said he stunk last year and stinking for him the first, uh, first four games, three games of the season, he scored over 33 fantasy points.
46:36Then he got hurt in week four, but he would struggled in that game before getting hurt, came back and scored over 33 fantasy points against the dolphins.
46:45And then every week it seemed like he had a new leg injury.
46:49He just kept playing hurt. He was obviously injured, but if you know, he's a guy where, look, if you think A's
46:56or stats are stupid, then I'm sorry, but he's the reason they exist.
47:00Lamar Jackson. If you remove injured games and you look at his last eight seasons beginning with his, you know, his breakout
47:07as a sophomore, this is Lamar Jackson's points per game in two in six point per passing touchdown leagues, removing injured games.
47:14He's played some partial games that have killed his, uh, his, his stats, 32.5, 25.5, 24.2, 24.3, 23.6, 30.
47:20And last year was 21.8. So other than last year, he's almost always at least 24 points per game.
47:26And isn't that basically what Drake may average last year?
47:29That is 24.4. So I, I, I would feel more comfortable with Jackson if they didn't have a new coach.
47:36I don't really know what to expect, but man, he's want to know.
47:40I think you should be optimistic about it because they clearly made this decision for Lamar Jackson.
47:45But if you look at his last three years with Todd Monken, his yards per attempt have been eight yards or better every year.
47:53So whether that had to do with Monken or not, I mean, he had the most efficient seasons of his career with Todd Monken.
48:01I think it was a real, it was a good marriage.
48:04Yeah, but you also have a guy who's a Sean Payton and Ben Johnson disciple.
48:09Like that's a pretty good place to be coming from.
48:12Sure. I mean, you know, it doesn't always work like, of course, but you know, again, they're, they're, they're hopeful.
48:19I think that this is Lamar, this is your team.
48:22And now you have to go prove that we made the right decision to move on from a hall of fame coach to make it your team.
48:31Comment from the chat. Azer stats are the beer goggles of fantasy football.
48:35I wouldn't know. That's pretty funny. That's a good one, Aaron.
48:38All right. Round five, Jamie, you can start who has the most upside among the running backs in round five.
48:45There are three of them. DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery, Bejal Tootin.
48:48And in case any of you miss this little disclaimer, we're talking non-injury upside.
48:53So yeah, if, if, if DeAndre Swift's the only healthy back, sure, but we expect him to split.
48:58But DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery, Bejal Tootin. Who has the most upside, Jamie?
49:03I mean, it's Tootin. You know, if he takes over Travis Etienne's role and is that guy for Jacksonville, like he's going
49:10to outscore both of these guys, maybe by significant margin.
49:13You know what I mean? Etienne was awesome last year while sharing with, you know, Tootin and, you know, to whatever extent with LaQuint Allen.
49:21But I think just looking at the opportunity that Tootin is stepping into and Liam Cohen's offense, you know, we'll see what Chris Rodriguez does.
49:29But if it's just, okay, now Tootin is the guy, then he's, to me, the best of this trio by far.
49:36Dave? He's ranked third for me, but I agree that he's got the most upside.
49:40I agree with that also. He's ranked third for me too.
49:44Right. I just, I'm going to say Swift just because I don't believe that Tootin has the ability to become a three down back in Jacksonville.
49:52Okay. I like that. I knew you weren't going to say.
49:56Do you believe Swift has, is going to be a three down back in Chicago after what we saw from Mononga last year?
50:03Every other series he will be. Okay. Fair point.
50:06This is kind of the Kyron argument. But that's still a rough split.
50:10This is right here. I mean, for you, this is kind of the Kyron argument maybe too.
50:16Like the, the Bears should have the best offense, except we're not comparing them to the Jets and Cardinals this time.
50:22Well, and I think like, I know I'm not, it's illegal to talk about this, but I think that one injury could
50:29turn Swift into a top 12 running back. And I don't think one injury would do that for Tootin.
50:35Agree. Totally. I mean, again, like if you're, if you're drafting these guys, I don't know how you could draft Tootin ahead
50:43of them, barring Liam Coleman come out and saying, this is our guy.
50:47He's, he's it, you know, he's never going to do that.
50:50And they signed Rodriguez for a reason. And I don't think they're done with their backfield to be honest with you.
50:57We'll see if there's another player added, but like Swift, it's almost like Kyron versus who were the other two priest Hall and Jeremiah love.
51:05Yeah. I mean, Kyron is by far the safest of those three and Swift is by far the safest of these three.
51:12I don't, is Kyron really the safest? Cause he doesn't really catch the ball and he splits carries.
51:18You say 34 plus catches like that's a pretty good.
51:21Well, I mean, for what he does when he's scoring 10 touchdowns and getting you 1400 total yards every season, like you,
51:28you pencil that in for him because that's what he's given you.
51:32Um, to me that's safe and it's, it's huge.
51:35Yeah. Yeah. If you, yeah. If you just going to punch pencil the touchdowns in, uh, Deandre's give you a point on Montgomery.
51:42Yeah, sure. We, we talked about how if my non guy gets hurt, Swift has a better pathway to be top 12.
51:49If Rodriguez gets hurt tootin could be certainly better.
51:52I think Montgomery is already on that path. I'm not sure what this coaching staff thinks of Woody marks and Montgomery could,
51:59I think he's already like clearly the one a and could be on the field a lot for Houston and whether or
52:06not we agree that he should be in that role or he'll be efficient in that role.
52:12That's a different question, but I think he's got it.
52:15And I kind of want people to remember that when you get to the round five range of your draft and you're
52:22looking for running backs, I think Montgomery is worthy of the pick there because even if he doesn't have the role that
52:29I'm laying out, even if he does share with Woody marks a lot, I think he is going to be their short yardage guy.
52:36And usually that hasn't mattered for Houston, but I think it will start to moving forward.
52:42And I, I think he could end up getting a lot of work and being at least like raw numbers good enough
52:49to start in fantasy without a second thought. I just am really, and it's probably just because Mike biased against Houston, but
52:56I'm really afraid it's just another old running back that Houston added.
53:00Yep. Right. Right after they fell off the cliff.
53:02But well, how did Mixon do? Yeah. Mixon was 24.
53:06He was a top running back in 2020. I mean, they're not the same player and Mixon was, was still coming off a very good season.
53:14David Montgomery is coming off the worst year of his career.
53:17Yeah, it's true. Hey, he got relegated for a reason.
53:21Well, I mean, when, when you're with Jameer Gibbs, it's easy to be relegated.
53:25Yeah. Well, I still, I still like him as a low end number two running.
53:30Oh, I think that's, that's certainly fair. And, and I'll take him over to right now.
53:35And I'm, I mean, I said that already. I won't take him over Swift.
53:40I wouldn't take him over Swift. I think when you're drafting David Montgomery, you should be drafting with the idea of you're
53:47settling for David Montgomery with the hope that he's still going to score 10 plus touchdowns and maybe do a little bit more in the running air.
53:55I shouldn't say maybe hopefully do a little bit more in the run game than he showed you in, in Detroit when Gibbs was there.
54:03Does he have the upside to be a, you know, a 1200 plus yard rusher and score 12 touchdowns?
54:09That's probably a stretch. Can he be a thousand yards and, and you know, eight to 10 touchdowns?
54:15I think that's realistic. He averaged four point good.
54:18Dave Montgomery averaged 4.5 yards per carry last year.
54:21I did not even remember that till I just looked it up, but that, you know, it did seem like he was
54:28not as effective because he had one game where he averaged 12.6 yards per carry at Baltimore.
54:33I think that was a Monday night or something Monday night game.
54:37Um, but, uh, he did average 4.5 yards per carry.
54:40Joe Mixon, I think did that once in his career, twice in his once in his career once Joe Mixon's average more
54:47than 4.1 yards per carry one time in his career.
54:51That's horrible. Yeah, but you can't compare David Montgomery running behind the Lions offensive line to Joe Mixon running behind the Bengals offensive line.
54:58I guess the question is who was better the year before they went to Houston?
55:03Was it Joe Mixon who averaged four yards per carry for Cincinnati or David Montgomery who averaged four and a half Mixon.
55:10Okay. Mixon. He's never, Mixon never really been an efficient running back.
55:14He just gets every touch. Hopefully that's what happens with Montgomery.
55:18Montgomery. That's yeah, that's what you're counting on. All right, wide receivers in this round.
55:22I think we can split these up. Let's see.
55:25This is like Thomas happened to do this on the fly.
55:29Let's see if he can do this. All right.
55:32So there are seven wide receivers in this round.
55:34Let's go first four and last three. The first four are DJ more Jalen Waddle, Terry McLaurin and Marvin Harrison jr.
55:41The last three are Jamison Williams, Alec Pierce and Roma Dunze.
55:45So again, Heath, the first four are DJ Moore, Jalen Waddle, McLaurin and Marvin Harrison jr.
55:50Who has the most upside? I could make an argument for any of the four of them.
55:55I'm going to make the argument for a guy.
55:58I think nobody else will. I'm going to say Terry McLaurin because he should be by far and away the number one target in the offense.
56:06I don't think that Washington's going to be good enough to just run the ball all the time.
56:12So I think he could, he probably not going to see 10 targets game, but he could see nine.
56:18We've already seen him have a monstrous touchdown season with Jaden Daniels.
56:22I think Terry McLaurin could have one more great year.
56:25Okay. So it's more Waddle, McLaurin and Harrison. Jamie Heath's vote was for DJ Moore.
56:30I was for Terry McLaurin. Who's your vote for me make arguments for almost all these guys.
56:36I'll go with Pierce just in terms of upside because you're taking a hundred targets away from this offense and they just
56:43paid him a billion dollars to be the guy.
56:46And so, you know, if he can be the guy, Oh, wait, we're doing a, sorry, we're just doing the first four.
56:53Oh, I'm sorry. It's more Waddle, McLaurin, McLaurin and Marvin.
56:56Who's the first one? DJ Moore. Oh, DJ Moore.
56:59I'll probably agree with Heath and say McLaurin. I think again, just, you know, Jaden Daniels, number one guy, the number two guy is a rookie at best.
57:08If not, it's a, you know, retread, Diami Brown, Van Jefferson, you know, Traylon Burks type guy.
57:13It's just, it's not pretty. So McLaurin to me is, is the one most upside of that foursome.
57:19Dave. Denver didn't give up a first round pick for Jalen Waddle for nothing.
57:23I think they need somebody like him in their offense.
57:27He gives them, excuse me. I think he gives them speed.
57:30He gives them versatility. And I think he's going to lead that team in targets.
57:35And, and it sounds like I'm dying over here, but I promise I'm not.
57:39It's it. I think he's the one that could be maybe second in this group in targets per game.
57:45DJ Moore might have a lead on him in that category, but I, I love the upside of him in Denver getting
57:52a bunch of short and intermediate throws from bone X along with a couple of deep throws that's going to happen every single week.
58:00And he could, I think he's got top 12 potential in full PPR and you don't have to draft him that way at all.
58:08Okay. Dave votes for Waddle and Heath and Jamie for McLaurin.
58:11Dave named this movie quote in the movie. You're not dying.
58:15You just can't think of anything good to do.
58:18Uh, that's Ferris Bueller. Yeah. One of my favorite seeds.
58:21All right. Next group, Jamie, you're gonna make the case for Alec Pierce amongst Jamison Williams, Pierce, and Romo Dunze who has the most upside.
58:29Jamison Williams, Alec Pierce, Roma Dunze. This is the next three wide receivers going in round five.
58:34Pierce. Yeah. I cut you off during your first X.
58:38No, I mean, I said what I didn't say.
58:40He's going to get a huge opportunity. He got a huge contract.
58:44It's, it's a lot of contingencies. Can he stay healthy?
58:48Can Daniel Jones be healthy? Can he, you know, become the alpha of this receiving core?
58:53So it's a lot of questions, but I mean, the path is as easy as it comes.
58:58You know, you look at the other two guys.
59:01I mean, Odunze might be better than Luther Byrd and Colston Lovell, and he might be the third option.
59:07Jameson Williams is getting as tight end of friendly coaches you could find and, you know, has Laporta coming back healthy and Amara St.
59:15Brown still there and, you know, loses touchdowns unfortunately to Isaac Tesla and has the best running back in fantasy.
59:21So there's just a lot of things working against him.
59:24So Pierce is, you know, in terms of upside, again, don't have it ranked this way, but Pierce in terms of upside
59:31is the, to me, the clear, clear answer here.
59:34Heath, Jameson Williams, Alec Pierce, Roma Dunze, he's got the most upside.
59:38I will go with Roma Dunze. As I said earlier, I have Loveland, Burden, and a Dunze all at 126 targets.
59:45If one of these guys becomes the clear number one, then any of them could have an immense amount of upside and
59:52it was just four games, but he was on pace for 85 catches, 1,258 yards and 21 touchdowns at the start of
59:59last year and wasn't healthy in the second half.
60:02So maybe Roma Dunze is healthy and the number one wide receiver.
60:06That's not, he's not the guy I'd draft the highest, but I think he has the most upside if he turns into their number one.
60:14Dave? It's a Dunze and he is the one that I would draft the highest of these three.
60:19Jameson actually worries me because we've done a lot of talking about Drew Petsing going to Detroit and how he's going to favor the tight ends.
60:28I think it's going to happen. It's just his track record and the Lions track record of using multiple tight ends is
60:35going to put Laporta on the field more. It's going to design easier throws for Goff to Laporta Laporta.
60:41There have been very rare occasions where both Laporta and Jameson Williams have had good fantasy games together.
60:47I think it's like five times in their careers.
60:49So I think that Jama will be the clear number three target getter in Detroit and it might even be number four
60:57and I feel like Heath has talked about it and that's why I just heard that sigh but I'm getting flashbacks to it and I'm nervous now.
61:05I love the talent that Jameson Williams has but I'm nervous about him being a steady fantasy contributor.
61:11I think he might be the one that's going to be the most boom or bust of these three.
61:17Just over the last three seasons Jameson Williams target per out run rate with Laporta on the field has been 18.2 18.3
61:24and 14.7 with Laporta off the field it was 12.5 percent in 2023 so it was actually lower but it was 23.9
61:31percent in 2024 and 18.8 percent last year compared to 14.7 last year 14 percent 14 percent with him on the field
61:38so she does just a huge split for Jameson Williams pre and post Sam Laporta or like with Laporta and without Laporta last year.
61:46Okay so Alec Pierce for Jamie Odunze for Heath and Dave and the two non-running backs or wide receivers in this group
61:53are Tyler Warren and Joe Burrow agree or disagree Joe Burrow has more upside than any player in this round same with
62:00Lamar it's the same argument yes yeah relative to position obviously because he's going to outscore everyone but yep Heath you don't
62:07seem as convinced well I'm just trying to think of like what do I think the best like LeBron I think or
62:14LeBron might as well Lamar could nobody can argue he could score 30 points per game yeah I don't really think Burrow
62:21could score 30 per game nah 28 that's what I was trying to decide like it probably 27 I think he gets
62:2827 that's what he had in 2024 yeah yeah that's probably still the most of anything in this group well certainly it's
62:35the most but is it the most you know relative to position I guess I mean he could be a top three
62:42player in his position I don't think these other guys can so we didn't say DJ Moore with the most upside is
62:49any like no one feels a Stefan Diggs 2.0 coming for DJ Moore like going to Buffalo he's the one I would
62:56draft first because I do think that there's upside but I don't think there's as much upside as some of these other
63:03guys okay we also have a poll question in the chat in on YouTube and it is let's see where's that poll
63:10who has the most patience Adam Jamie Dave or Heath it's very close at the top except for me I have getting
63:1712% of the vote and the three of you are all getting 28 to 31% of the vote the current winner the
63:24current leader is the guy I voted for who has the most patience Dave Richard I would have voted for Heath I
63:31think the poll results accurately reflect I don't think between Dave and Jamie and I there is a consistent everyday answer there's
63:39some some days I might be third the third most patient I'm not nobody on this group of us three's ever last
63:46some days I might be third some days I might be second some days I might be first I think I should
63:53be second to last to be honest with you it's between the other old heads on this show for most patient I
64:00would say you know my maybe my biggest the thing I'd like to change most about myself is I wish I were
64:07a more patient person I'm working on it I've gotten better but it's definitely a big weakness of mine and I think
64:14we'd agree the only negative so anyway that's that's it for today's show and now my percentage has gone down to 11%
64:21even less patient than I was before my vote so I'm getting less patient with you finishing the show you have to
64:28be patient with me finishing the show I don't know I'm at your 17 and I still can't finish the show we
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64:42Tuesday Wednesday yeah Wednesday Wednesday okay we do have another show tomorrow and Thursday and we thank you all for watching and
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