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1:26It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet.
1:31Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:34Happy Friday, everybody. Welcome to the show. We've got a live mock draft that we're about to start.
1:40Adam, Dave, and Jamie here. Jamie will be participating in the draft.
1:44Dave and I will be the people in the Muppets that are heckling from the balcony.
1:49I call Waldorf. I call Astoria. I don't know whatever.
1:52You don't know their names? I don't know his name.
1:55I would expect Heath to not know their names, but you with kids that are young?
2:00Statler and Waldorf. Statler and Waldorf. But I'm calling you Astoria from now on.
2:05How about Azar Statler as a team name? Anyway.
2:07There you go. Yeah, so we're going to talk about Josh Jacobs news and maybe some other stuff from last night.
2:14Some other news and notes. If we don't get to news and notes on this show, we'll get to it on the
2:21mailbag that we're recording later this afternoon. All right, let's get right into it, though.
2:26Josh Jacobs charged with two misdemeanors. He is not officially charged with domestic violence.
2:30Well, no. Right. He doesn't have a domestic violence charge.
2:33He doesn't have a felony charge. I rely, I'm sure you guys do, too, on Drew Davenport of Football Guys.
2:39He's also a practicing attorney who does a good job breaking this down.
2:43And what he basically said, I encourage you to follow him on Twitter.
2:48What he basically said was, the way I read it, if there were no video, this would probably be good news for
2:54Jacobs in terms of avoiding a suspension. But there is, according to the police report, a video that shows him throwing this woman down.
3:02This is his girlfriend. And that is the bombshell that we're waiting to, you know, potentially be leaked.
3:08So what are we doing with Josh Jacobs? Where would you draft him right now, Jamie?
3:13And what about Marshawn Lloyd? What are you expecting here?
3:16I mean, you got to go into this draft weekend or whenever you're holding your draft until we find out what's next
3:23with the idea of a potential suspension, which could be anything from, I would guess, four to four games to the season.
3:30And, you know, there's past, there's history of similar situations with Zay Jones and Von Miller of those two guys getting suspended.
3:37I believe both were misdemeanor charges for something similar or misdemeanor charges.
3:40I know for Von Miller it was. I don't know Zay Jones.
3:44It's just uncertainty. And so because of the uncertainty, the earliest I would draft him right now would probably be round five.
3:51I have him actually in round six. So I'm trying to avoid Josh Jacobs.
3:55And this is coming from somebody who this week drafted him at the end of the third round.
4:01I'm sorry, beginning of the fourth round. Dave? I feel just about the same way.
4:06You have to understand the risks involved. And there are definitely, there's no reason to feel bad about being risk averse when it comes to your fantasy team.
4:15No one wants to draft somebody that they're going to be without potentially for the entire season or even for as few
4:21as, I think, six games might be the minimum and not four.
4:25But we've seen it for these types of charges before, lower than six.
4:29We don't know. No one knows. I don't think Jacobs knows.
4:33I doubt the Packers know. But the Packers said that they do have a plan in place in case something were to happen to Jacobs.
4:41That seems a little more likely now. I am definitely in that round five range.
4:45And it's late round five. I understand the risks involved with drafting Josh Jacobs.
4:50However, this is a spot where I wanted, I don't mind taking a chance on the Packers run game.
4:56And we've seen, LaFleur's been around seven seasons in Green Bay.
4:59One of his backs has finished top 13 in PPR points per game, six of seven seasons.
5:04It was Aaron Jones last season when a Packers running back did not finish top 13.
5:09So my game plan is I'm not actively trying to draft Jacobs, but if he falls in late round five and I
5:16feel like I'm a little light at running back and those are the caveats.
5:21Yes, I will draft Josh Jacobs. And then two to three rounds later, I'm going hard after Marshawn Lloyd.
5:27I want to get him on my team. If I've got Jacobs, I kind of want Lloyd on my team either way.
5:34And I think a lot of people are going to feel that way.
5:38And that means he's going to end up being around eight pick.
5:41He said on X yesterday, he was in his FFT open league.
5:45He Lloyd went with the 11th pick in round seven.
5:48So you're going to see people starting to reach a little bit for Marshawn Lloyd.
5:53And maybe Jamie feels differently than I do. Dave, I just took him this morning.
5:58Me and a guy, I share a team with Mike with the 11th pick of round seven, 80th overall.
6:04So this is good information. Jamie, when would you take Lloyd?
6:07You didn't mention that, did you? It's funny you say that because I went back and looked.
6:13I've been drafting Lloyd in almost every, he's my most rostered player of all the drafts I've done before.
6:18Yeah, sure. And now I would probably take him round eight.
6:22I think round seven is a little too soon.
6:25There's other players there because again, of the uncertainty.
6:28My biggest fear with the potential suspension in relation to Lloyd is they're probably going to go get somebody because I don't
6:34think they go into the season with Lloyd and his track record playing one game in the NFL so far, appearing in
6:41one game in the NFL so far. And Chris Brooks can say that's it.
6:46If this is a season long suspension, if it's a six game suspension, I think they go get somebody.
6:52If it's a four game or less suspension, then they probably just managed through it.
6:56But if this is six plus games, six games or more, I think they're, hey, Giants, Tyron Tracy available.
7:02Hey, Cardinals, James Conner available. Hey, blah, blah, blah, because this is a Super Bowl caliber team.
7:08And knowing that they're so dependent on their run game, whatever you think of Jordan Love, they are a run first team.
7:15Do they feel comfortable enough with a very injury plagued Marshawn Lloyd, whatever you may think of him or going out and trying to fortify their backfield?
7:23So it's not going to take much to get one of these second, third, fourth string running backs of somebody's team to
7:30help their roster, which in the case that that happens, it ruins our fantasy rosters, especially if you're taking Lloyd too soon.
7:37So if it's Connor, if it's Tracy, if it's Jalen Wright, you know, whatever the Sean Tucker, you know, whatever the case
7:44may be of the, of the level of player that you're taking, that will tell you what they think of Lloyd.
7:50But I don't think it's Jacobs misses Lloyd superstar unless again, it's four games.
7:55Yeah. Or unless they don't make a move or the guy they bring in really doesn't scare you.
8:00The names you mentioned, some of them would scare me a little bit, Connor, especially, but I know that I kind of
8:07went on a slight scale there of, of, of how it could go.
8:11Right. Sure. Well, okay. Trey Benson's a free agent, right?
8:15He got cut by Arizona this year. No, he's back on their practice court or he's on their injured list, whatever it is.
8:22Oh, did he waved injured? So he's not even available anyway.
8:25So nevermind that, but they could find somebody that there's going to be cuts this weekend.
8:30They could find somebody off that heap and bring them in.
8:34And I don't think I'd be scared about anybody that they bring in that way.
8:38You know, I trying to fortify the depth. It really comes down to who they add if they add.
8:44And I think you're right. I think they would add somebody, but I don't know if it's going to be a big name guy.
8:52But that's the thing is, I don't think it's, I don't think it's Kyron Williams, Mrs.
8:57Blake Corham. Oh my God. It's very easy to see path to superstardom.
9:01I don't think it's Rondre Stevenson, Mrs. Trevion Henderson, superstar.
9:04I don't know, like Marshawn Lloyd should be in the driver's seat.
9:08He should be the guy that you're drafting. He should have an opportunity to be amazing.
9:13That being said, I don't think the Packers are going to feel comfortable enough with what they have right now to go
9:20into the season if Jacobs is going to miss a significant amount of time.
9:24But I do think they've seen enough from Lloyd to know that he could handle carrying the majority of the water there.
9:31Chris Brooks is still there. And that's the one.
9:34That's the part of it, though. I'm not so sure on.
9:37Okay. Do they feel comfortable enough to trust their team to Marshawn Lloyd?
9:42Let me ask you this question. Always hurt, by the way.
9:45Exactly. Who has been always hurt, but he's healthy right now.
9:48It's not about his talent. It's about his durability.
9:51I understand that. Oh, there's no question that they would add somebody.
9:55At the 11th pick in round seven, if Jacobs is suspended, you're starting potentially Marshawn Lloyd as a low-end number two running back.
10:02And getting that type of player with the 11th pick in round seven or later just seems like a screaming value to me.
10:09Well, that's the hope. I'd be happy to go and get him.
10:13It would obviously change if they make a big splash at running back.
10:17And if they do that before a suspension is handed down, then you know that something really bad is going to be something.
10:24Well, they know. Every team knows what a suspension is going to happen.
10:29So, right. They may not know. Let me just bring this up.
10:32No, they may not know the extent of the suspension, but they know that there is a suspension potentially looming if it's going to happen.
10:40But here's – well, right, if it's going to happen.
10:43So, first of all, I think he's got a court – his first court date is in November.
10:49So, I think if there – Which could be pushed back until the end after this season.
10:54Which could absolutely be pushed back. Those things get pushed back all the time.
10:59You look at Rasheed Rice. You look at Deshaun Watson.
11:02High-profile, highly publicized cases. Those guys did not get suspended until the following year.
11:06I just looked up the Von Miller and Zay Jones situation.
11:10Von Miller was suspended on October 1st of 2024.
11:13He was arrested in – well, the allegations were in November 2023.
11:16Yeah, he was arrested November 30th of 2023 and suspended October 1st of 2024.
11:21It's a year. Zay Jones was pretty similar. It wasn't quite as long, I don't think.
11:26He was charged on November 13th. And he was suspended on August 23rd.
11:30So, not as long. But these things take a very long time.
11:34The only thing that's going to accelerate a suspension is if the video is jamming.
11:38And if the video is out there and public sees it, the NFL is going to react quickly.
11:44Yes. I agree. But I think, you know, if you are okay – and I hate talking about it.
11:50Like, obviously, any domestic violence, you know, it's disgusting.
11:53But we have to talk about Jacobs as a fantasy value here.
11:56Like, the guy was the number six running back in fantasy two years ago with the Packers.
12:02Before he got hurt and played the last three games injured last year, he was averaging over 19 points per game.
12:08So, he's performed like a first-round pick. If you can get him in the fifth round – and we'll see where he goes today.
12:16We're going to start the draft momentarily here. We'll see where he goes today in a 10-team league.
12:22And then you want to commit to just locking up Lloyd.
12:25Like, it's worth it to me to use two roster spots, even though one of them could be useless for however long.
12:32Like, just to get that Packers running back because you could have a number one running – like, the top 12 running back.
12:39Like, it's not unreasonable that Lloyd could do that for four or five games or something like that.
12:45And Jacobs, obviously, has shown what he can do.
12:48All right. Let's see where he goes. Let's start the draft here.
12:51Remember, we have our mailbag coming up. We're going to do auction strategy and a mailbag during the mailbag show.
12:58And thank you to all of you who are drafting with us today.
13:02Nine listeners plus Jamie. The draft is underway. Jamie, you have the sixth pick.
13:06Just speaking in general, this is a half PPR 10-team league.
13:10We are starting two flexes. Two running backs, two receivers, tight end, quarterback, two flexes.
13:14What's a bigger impact for you in terms of strategy?
13:17The half PPR angle or the 10-team angle? In terms of strategy, the 10-team angle.
13:22Okay. Expand on that. Well, everybody's going to have an all-star team.
13:26That goes without question. So this is the type of size of a league where taking a quarterback early is a little bit more acceptable.
13:34Taking a tight end early is more acceptable. And I think just knowing that there's three potentially elite tight ends, I'm going
13:41to make it a priority if I can get one in rounds two or three.
13:45Look at Adam putting himself on the top of the screen.
13:49I didn't do that. I swear that wasn't me.
13:52Sure. You've earned it, buddy. You've earned it. Well, just looking at the Raiders last night, and Bowers played on the first drive, and that was it.
14:00They haven't decided on a quarterback. Personally, watching the tape of Mendoza the last two weeks, I think he's been a lot better than his crappy numbers.
14:09There have been a lot of drops. Two by Ian Thomas yesterday.
14:12One by Naylor that was an interception. It was a tough play.
14:16But are you getting a little nervous about Bowers based on a lackluster preseason from the Raiders offense?
14:22Not at all. No. I think the worry would be that we talk about other teams not scoring a lot of points.
14:29Could the Raiders fall into that trap and not be – could they be bottom 10 in points scored this year?
14:35And I think that's possible just given how Cousins is and how Mendoza's looked.
14:40And, yeah, some of the mistakes aren't Mendoza's fault.
14:42I don't think that's enough to knock Bowers, especially in leagues where – really in any league, just because he does have
14:49so much potential to just – He could lead the NFL in targets.
14:53He could lead the NFL in receiving yards. I mean – There's a world where he could just absolutely smash.
15:00As a rookie, set the rookie record for receptions with crappy quarterback play.
15:04Yeah. They were 28th in scoring as a rookie, and he was a top three tight end, almost number one per game.
15:11And I like Trey Tucker. He's an interesting sleeper, no doubt.
15:14I'm going to draft Trey Tucker in a bunch of leagues late.
15:18But there's nobody on this team that's going to command seven-plus targets per game other than Bowers.
15:23Now, in this draft, it's half PPR. So Gibbs, Bijon are one and two.
15:28Chase, Puka, three, four. Jonathan Taylor, number five. I don't know if that pick was a, hey, I want to make sure
15:35I get a top 11 running back because I may not get it in round two.
15:40Or this is a half PPR league, so I'm going to boost Jonathan Taylor ahead of St.
15:45Brown and Jackson Smith and Jigba. So the first seven picks were Gibbs, Bijon, Chase, Puka, Jonathan Taylor, Amon Ross St.
15:51Brown, and Jackson Smith and Jigba. And Jamie took St.
15:55Brown. James Cook, Christian McCaffrey, and Derrick Henry round out the top ten.
15:59So team ten took Derrick Henry. The last three teams took a running back.
16:03Let's see how many of them start RBRB. And Jamie, you took St.
16:07Brown in round one. But in this ten-team league, you know, you have a much better chance of getting a top 11 running back in round two.
16:16I have a feeling that was a factor for you.
16:19Yeah, of course. You know, I think just looking at it that the spot that I'm in and, again, amount of teams, it's a little easier.
16:27Now there could be a huge run on running back, which is fine.
16:31I'll adjust. But I think just, again, getting a player who I think, for me, is my third receiver on the board, I was thrilled to do that.
16:40Yeah, so far we are 12 picks in and there have been seven running backs taken.
16:45So if you want a top 11 guy, you know, you're asking yourself in a ten-team league, where do I feel comfortable
16:52if I have a first-round pick in the top whatever, getting that 11th guy?
16:56We'll see where that is here. I think Jamie's going to be just fine.
17:01All right, so round three was Chase Brown to the Henry manager, AJ Brown to the McCaffrey manager, Kenneth Walker to the James Cook manager, and Devon Achan.
17:09Is that 11 or is there one more? Hampton?
17:12Oh, Hampton's still there. Jamie, you're going to take Hampton here?
17:16Nope. Really? Take Lamb? Oh, you took Bauer. Oh, you took Bauer.
17:19I don't like it. I want to be elite.
17:22He makes me elite at that spot. So does Omari and Hampton.
17:26Maybe. Maybe. Omari and Hampton doesn't make him elite at tight end.
17:30And if you're – I'm pretty sure – how would you have felt if you had gotten Hampton here and then McBride in round three?
17:38I would have felt great about it, but that's something that I can't control.
17:42I can't control Bauer. It's true. And that was the reason I did it.
17:46What's the drop-off for you from Bauer to McBride and McBride to Loveland?
17:50Because Loveland would have made it there in round three.
17:54Potentially. Potentially. Again, you know, I think if you're going into a 10-team league, you should try and separate yourself because everybody's going to have great teams.
18:02I don't know. But you went so far off your rankings based on this 10-team league.
18:07Well, not that far off. You moved him up to – what was that?
18:1115th. You took Bauer's 15th overall. What do you have?
18:15And I have Bauer's at 20 and I have Hampton at 14.
18:18So I went one spot behind my rankings and four spots ahead.
18:22That's pretty big. Look at Lamb going 17th. Yeah, Lamb.
18:25Someone said in the chat, I can't see Lamb going after A.J.
18:29Brown, which is what happened. I agree. Yeah, I agree too.
18:32Half PPR maybe changes it a little bit. All right, round two is Chase Brown, A.J.
18:38Brown, Kenneth Walker, Devon A. Chan, Brock Bowers to Jamie, Omari and Hampton to the Jonathan Taylor manager.
18:43So team five got Taylor and Hampton. Team four had Puka in round one, CeeDee Lamb in round two.
18:49Team three took Jamar Chase and then Nico Collins.
18:52Team two took B. John Robinson and Justin Jefferson.
18:55I mean Jefferson going after A.J. Brown and Nico Collins.
18:58Then we had Rasheed Rice and George Pickens at the 2-3 turn.
19:02By the way, a Cowboys beat reporter went on a podcast and said George Pickens might be the guy that gives defenses more fits this year.
19:10Sure. Sure. Works downfield. He gave fits last year.
19:13We got to take a break, actually. So I'm going to pause the draft after Jamie picks.
19:18We'll get to Jamie here. So Rasheed Rice was the last pick of round three.
19:23We had a run of six of round two.
19:26Pardon me. We had a run of six straight wide receivers after Hampton.
19:30Lamb, Nico, Jefferson, and Rice picks 17 through 20.
19:32Then we go into round three. We have George Pickens and Malik Neighbors.
19:37And then Saquon Barkley. What? Dude, Saquon Barkley going with the second pick?
19:4123rd overall, third pick of round three. It's a steal.
19:44Way too late in a half PPR league. Kyron Williams after him.
19:47I started looking at Barkley on the board and looking at where Jamie was.
19:52And Jamie was four picks away. And I thought, is there a chance that Barkley makes it back?
19:58But with two teams starting receiver-receiver picking in front of you, Jamie, there was no way that Saquon was making it back to you.
20:05But still, a good player is there. My gamble was bad.
20:09Yeah, McBride was available at 26. I don't think it was that bad.
20:13Well, I mean, I think Bowers and McBride are close.
20:16And so to take McBride, take Bowers one full round ahead of McBride, it didn't work out.
20:21But you got Drake London in round three. And I know it's half PPR, not full PPR.
20:26But getting London at 26 overall, I think, is a good value for sure.
20:31And so, again, you're trying to make yourself stand out in a shallower talent pool.
20:36So, yeah. My pass catchers should be the best on the league.
20:39Kyron, someone asking in the chat, we'll take a break after this.
20:43Kyron over Drake London? Don't like it. Even in half PPR, right?
20:47Yeah. No. All right. I'll pause. I don't like it in non-PPR.
20:51I'll pause the draft after round three. Round three so far is Pickens, Neighbors, Barkley, Kyron Williams, Devontae Smith, Drake London.
20:57I mean, there have been some kind of wacky things here.
21:01Like Nico. There's still a great wide receiver on the board.
21:04He might have just gone out of the slush puppies.
21:07He did. Chris Olave. But Olave. Olave's been moving up for me.
21:11James Cook, Ken Walker, Chris Olave for team. That's beautiful.
21:14See, McCaffrey, A.J. Brown for team nine. They're on the clock here.
21:18And team nine has McCaffrey, A.J. Brown and Littering and T.Higgins.
21:21And then team 12 or team 10, which took Henry and Chase Brown at the one-two turn, is going to have.
21:28I mean, they could try to go elite and go.
21:31Boy, they really got pinched at receiver. No. They're still good players.
21:35Who's the best receiver left on your board? McConkie.
21:38Okay. You go McConkie, Zay Flowers. That's a great start.
21:41Yeah. Okay. I like Waddle and Garrett Wilson. But.
21:44Go Lund here. That would have been a great spot for them to go.
21:48I mean, I can't really doubt them on Henry and Chase Brown as their first two picks.
21:53But if they had gotten Lamb instead of one of those running backs, boy, they've got a lot of good running backs left.
22:01He took Zay Flowers. Yeah, because Jenty is there, right?
22:04So, like. Sure. You could take Jenty now. Right.
22:0730th overall. Javante is still there. He took Flowers.
22:09Jeremiah Love is still there. I'm going to pause the draft.
22:13We're going to take a break and talk about.
22:16I mean, it's to go Henry, Chase Brown, Zay Flowers, Ladd McConkie, which is possible, or Waddle or whatever.
22:22That, to me, is like a good team at the 12 spot in a 12-team league.
22:27I think maybe I'd be a little disappointed at the 10 spot in a 10-team league.
22:32But you do have Ashton Jenty and you have Colson Loveland on the board.
22:36And I think those guys have to come into play right now in this 10-team league, even though we're only at pick 31 right now, right?
22:44Can you start three running backs? You can start four running backs.
22:48You get two flexors. Then Jenty is in play for this pick, then.
22:52All right. We're going to take a break and come back and see how this plays out here.
22:58Kind of an unpredictable draft, man. It's been fun.
23:00Yeah, it has been fun. And this is how drafts are, man.
23:04Adam, you know it as well as I do.
23:07Home leagues, everybody drafting with their buddies in a basement or at a bar.
23:11This is the fun part of fantasy, for sure.
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26:26Welcome back, everybody. Okay, let's just tell you the 10 teams real quick.
26:30Team 1 is Gibbs, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens. This is half PPR, two flexes.
26:34Gibbs, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens. Very good. Team 2.
26:37Both of these teams went running back, receiver, receiver.
26:40Bijon Robinson, Justin Jefferson, 19th overall. Malik Neighbors. That's fun.
26:43LSU connection there. Team 3. Jamar Chase, LSU. Nico Collins, Saquon Barkley.
26:47I would call Saquon right now arguably the best pick of the draft at 23rd overall.
26:52Team 4. Puka, Lamb, Kyron Williams. We thought maybe a little early for Kyron Williams, but when you've got two wide receivers and Puka and Lamb.
27:00I would have gone McBride there. Yeah, or Olave.
27:03I would have gone London. You can start four in this league, right?
27:07You can start four wide receivers. So don't – that's a good lesson here.
27:11Don't take a position if that – now, look, maybe he just loves Kyron Williams.
27:16But if that player is worse than the other players on the board, you don't have to – Don't chase.
27:22Right, don't chase. Unless it's Jamar or Brown. Good way to put it.
27:26Team 5. Jonathan Taylor, Omari and Hampton, Devontae Smith.
27:29Team 6 is Jamie. St. Brown, Brock Bowers, Drake, London.
27:32Team 7, JSN, Devon Achan, Trey McBride. Team 8, James Cook, Kenneth Walker, Chris Olave.
27:37Team 9, McCaffrey, AJ Brown, T. Higgins. Team 10, Derrick Henry, Chase Brown, Zay Flowers.
27:42And we resume the draft. Ashton Genti, Colson Loveland, Javante Williams, Ladd McConkie, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle.
27:47These are options here for the team that has Derrick Henry, Chase Brown, and Zay Flowers.
27:52And this is JJ on the clock. I want to thank JJ, Thomas, Jonathan, Matt, Jamie something, Stephen, Chris, Clinton, Link.
27:59Dan. And Michael. And who did he take? He took Genti.
28:02Genti 31. You guys like Genti at 31? That's right around the range of what I would take him.
28:08I don't mind if he had gone with Javante Williams there either, but I felt like the value at running back was too good to pass up.
28:16So where do you take Mike Washington? Oh, there we go.
28:20Oh, are you on the clock? No. No. Jacobs is gone.
28:23Jacobs. 33rd overall round four. That feels a little too soon.
28:27Could be the best value of the draft by the time we look back on it.
28:32Yeah. Yeah. And that team has James Cook, Kenneth Walker, Chris Olavi, and Josh Jacobs.
28:37I would not be taking that risk with that position right now.
28:40Right. Why wouldn't you rather take? Loveland. Loveland would have been perfect.
28:44Loveland would have been perfect for that team, given what they have already with two running backs and one wide receiver.
28:51He could have also taken, he could have taken Josh Allen.
28:54This is round four. This is a good time to steal a quarterback, which I think Jamie's about to do.
29:00Let me ask you a question. The receivers left were like Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddell.
29:05Not as exciting as some of those other running backs.
29:08All right. Round four is Gentie, McConkie, Jacobs, and Jordan, and Jeremiah Love.
29:12All right. Jamie, you had St. Brown, Bowers, and London, and you took Josh Allen?
29:17The elite. Yeah. I like it. All right. So that was what?
29:2135th overall. So now you have your number one quarterback, your number one tight end.
29:26I'm on Ross St. Brown and Drake London. Notably, you do not have any running backs.
29:31Notably. Your next pick. Super curious to see how that goes for Jamie too, because there are four teams picking after him
29:37and then before him in round five that only have one running back.
29:42And the team picking right after him that has two running backs just took a third.
29:47And so knowing that you can start up to four running backs in this league, do we continue to see a running
29:53back run in round four that costs Jamie the chance of getting even a decent running back in round five?
30:00By the way, with Jamie's build. I'm sorry, Adam.
30:03With Jamie's build, this is exactly where I would try and target Jacobs in round five.
30:08Obviously, he's gone. He can't do it now. But if you've loaded up and gone zero RB, getting Jacobs in round five
30:14and then planning to pair him with Lloyd, to me, that's just that's a smart way to build a team.
30:21You're guaranteed a Packers running back. That should at least be a number two running back.
30:26And then you've got studs at wide receiver, tight end at quarterback.
30:30I think it's really interesting to see the three running backs taken at the beginning of this round.
30:35Gentie Jacobs love. Right. I mean, what a risky group that is.
30:39How do you guys rank Gentie Jacobs love? I mean, Jacobs is out of the equation right now.
30:45So it would be Gentie love, but I like Javante who just went swift, who went and a chance.
30:51Travis, a chance on the board. Yeah. All right.
30:53So round four right now, picks 31 through 40.
30:56Gentie McConkie Jacobs love Josh Allen, Deandre Swift, a Buka Colson Loveland.
31:00So team three chase Nico Collins, Saquon Barkley, Colson Loveland.
31:03That's pretty good. It's great. Javante Williams after that.
31:06And Brees Hall goes 40th overall. So team one is on the clock with two running backs and two receivers.
31:12Remember, you start two running backs, two receivers and two flex.
31:16I, you know, I wouldn't be opposed to a Lamar Jackson reach here because I don't think you're getting Lamar Jackson at 60.
31:23Let's see where, what, when Lamar Jackson comes off the board.
31:26But so far, Mike's team at team one is Gibbs, Rasheed Rice, Pickens and Brees Hall.
31:31You're not probably not looking at a tight end here.
31:35And he took a wide receiver named DJ Moore.
31:37DJ Moore. Okay. Still have Waddle on the board.
31:40Still have Garrett Wilson on the board as we're on pick 42.
31:44Here's another team with two running backs and two receivers.
31:47Bijan Robinson, Justin Jefferson, Malik Neighbors, Javante Williams and Luther Burden, 43.
31:51Who do you guys like better? DJ Moore or Luther Burden?
31:54More. I've got more higher. I said 43. I'm in 42.
31:58Here's Travis H. And dude, like CJ is getting some serious value at running back.
32:02Yes. Barkley at 23 and H. And Travis. Great team.
32:06Yeah. This is a great one here. This is Chase, Nico, Barkley, Loveland and Travis A.
32:11Chan. Team four is Puka, Lamb, Kyron Williams and Abuka.
32:14Puka and Abuka. I love it. And now a wide receiver.
32:17Another wide receiver. Four wide receivers. It was his first five picks.
32:21He can start all of them. And it's Jalen Waddle.
32:24So who the... Pretty good. Would you have taken your fourth wide receiver there?
32:28Or would you have taken like Bucky Irving or Lamar Jackson or, you know, a different position?
32:34The wide receiver. Yep. I think I would have taken Bucky.
32:37But I would have taken Javante over Abuka in a heartbeat in round four.
32:42And then he'd have both the Williams's, Kyron and Javante, comes back in round five.
32:46I think if he had... He would be his third receiver.
32:50That would be the start that I would have preferred.
32:53I would have preferred if he'd taken Drake London or Alave and then come back and take the running back in round four.
33:00See, this is more of a, you know, an overall question, right?
33:04So this is a team two receiver, two running back, two flex.
33:08And he starts Puka, Lam, Kyron, Abuka. And now he's got the 44th overall pick.
33:12And he can certainly draft a wide receiver. And he did.
33:16And he took Waddle. I think I would have been...
33:19I would have taken Bucky there. I don't like Waddle necessarily a lot.
33:23I think they're similar, right? But I understand that you can start Waddle here.
33:27But at some point, you've got to start thinking about your running back room.
33:32No, you don't. I disagree. You do. Why don't you?
33:35The better player is Waddle. Take the better player.
33:38Is he the better player? I don't think... In this case, he is because you only need to start two running backs.
33:45And you've got two flex spots. You need those flex spots to be as strong as you can.
33:50Yeah, but here's the thing. Right now, you only need to start two running backs.
33:55That is absolutely true. There are injuries. There are bye weeks.
33:59You don't want to be left with... There are more picks in the draft.
34:03Right. It's a 10-team league, Adam. But who's going to be there at 57 with his next pick?
34:09I don't think... Not Jalen Waddle. Not Bucky Irving either.
34:12Probably not. But then he can... That could be Jadarian Price.
34:15That could be Basel Tootin. They're not that far off from...
34:19Yes. All right. Jamie's on the clock. The next pick was Sam Laporta to Team 5 that has Taylor, Hampton, Devontae Smith, DeAndre Swift.
34:26Devontae Smith, DeAndre Swift, and Sam Laporta. No, you picked too fast.
34:30Amon Ross St. Brown for Jamie in round one.
34:33Brock Bowers, Drake London, Josh Allen. He's got number one quarterback, number one tight end.
34:37And now he's on the clock with no running backs.
34:41I think Jamie's got a chance to keep doing the zero RB thing.
34:45There's a receiver left on the board that I think is a screaming value at 46th overall.
34:50When you look at Garrett Wilson, Dave... That's who it is.
34:53Let's see if he takes him. Yeah, he did.
34:56Okay, excellent. How worried... In a half PPR league, when you look at Garrett Wilson, are you worried about touchdowns?
35:03Because we can see catches being there, but are you worried about touchdowns?
35:07Of course I'm worried about touchdowns. It doesn't matter what the format is for Garrett Wilson either.
35:12And I don't love that last year in seven games, 11.6 half PPR points per game.
35:17Six games. Well, what? He left one game. He played like 16 snaps in the...
35:22All right. So if we Azor stat that game out, it's even better than 11.6, which is fine.
35:27Because I was about to say, I think he can be better than 11.6 half PPR points per game.
35:33And this range in the draft, I think when you get somebody, let's call it 12, and I feel like we're sort
35:40of low-balling him by saying he's 12 half PPR points per game.
35:44That's great in round five, especially late round five.
35:47And Jamie already hinted at it. The drop-off between Bucky Irving to all the other running backs that are still on the board isn't that bad.
35:55And so many of the teams picking after Jamie have multiple running backs already.
35:59Two of them have three running backs. Maybe they go four running backs, but I would take that risk if I were
36:06Jamie and take the best player available, which is Garrett Wilson.
36:10Again, pointing back to what we talked about at the beginning, and Jamie said it first.
36:15You're building an all-star team in the 10-team league.
36:18Everybody's going to have one. You want to build the best one.
36:21And I think Jamie's got arguably the three best receivers that you could ask for here on top of Bowers and Josh Allen.
36:29Yeah. All right. So Jamie takes Garrett Wilson, 46th overall.
36:32Then Tedderola McMillan goes. Then Jamison Williams goes. Bucky Irving goes 49th.
36:35Terry McLaurin goes 50th. Best wide receivers available on Jamie's list are Devante Adams, Parker Washington, Romo Dunze, Christian Watson.
36:42Best running backs available are Judkins, Scadaboo, Montgomery, Jadarian Price, and Bejal Tootin.
36:46And you get into the Patriots guys. We only have one quarterback off the board after 50 picks.
36:51That's another surprise. I wouldn't expect that in a regular 10-team league.
36:55We also had Laporta go ahead of Tyler Warren.
36:58Tyler Warren's still around. Yep. That's also a surprise.
37:01And all right. So team 12, Henry, Chase Brown, Zay Flowers, Ashton Gentty, Terry McLaurin, pardon me, and Mike Evans, 51st.
37:07A little earlier than probably you guys would want to see Evans.
37:11There's Devante Adams. Not sure I can just it.
37:14I mean, I don't know how you take Evans over Adams at this point.
37:18No, I don't think he can. Especially not in half PPR.
37:22Yep. Yeah. Excellent point. But this is working out great for you, Jamie.
37:26There's going to be plenty of running backs left.
37:29Yep. If you want to take one. Yeah. I'm going to double up on quarterback and take Lamar Jackson.
37:35I wonder if this had been a one flex league, if more running backs would have come off the board.
37:41People are going pretty wide receiver heavy here. I don't know.
37:45Running backs flew off the board pretty quickly. No, at this point in the draft, though.
37:50Like right now, we've only had two running backs in the last 16 picks.
37:54Now three. So Evans, Adams, Watson are the first three picks of round six.
37:58And now here's Quinch on Judkins. And Jamie's on the clock with Josh Allen, Brock Bowers, Amon Ross St.
38:04Brown, Drake London, Garrett Wilson. And who'd you take?
38:07Scadaboo. Boo. That's a scadaboo, not a boo. How do you feel about that?
38:11I was hoping for Judkins. But you know what?
38:14I'm fine with it. You know, at this point in the draft, like I'm just going to start stockpiling running backs at this point.
38:22So it's, you know, either death by a thousand paper cuts.
38:25Yeah. Or we'll see how it all works out.
38:28Okay. So Evans, Adams, Watson, then Judkins and Scadaboo, then Parker Washington.
38:32Like we might be running away from Scadaboo too much, but in round five in this draft, I think it's fine.
38:38Well, this is round six. Round six is better.
38:41Yeah. 55th overall. Jadarian Price goes 57th overall. Yep.
38:44And this is an example of what a 10 team draft does is it pushes players down in a 12 team league.
38:51I don't know if Judkins and Scadaboo make it this far, but we've got two fewer teams making picks.
38:57And so there's incredible value here. I mean, here's one of my favorite picks of the draft.
39:02Yeah. Lamar Jackson. This is one of them. Lamar Jackson, 58th.
39:06What have I been talking about all off season long?
39:09The time to draft a quarterback is when you can't believe the value of somebody that's there.
39:14And CJ clearly saw Lamar Jackson in late round six, knowing that everybody else other than Jamie needed a quarterback and went,
39:21I can't believe this dude is still here. I'm taking him.
39:25That's the way to go about drafting a quarterback this year.
39:28Jamie question for you. You took Scadaboo and then Jadarian Price and then Basel Tootin went shortly thereafter.
39:34Yesterday we had a really, I thought a really good informative conversation, at least for me about why Jadarian Price, why Basel
39:41Tootin has more roadblocks than Jadarian Price. Who do you think has more roadblocks?
39:45Jadarian Price or Cam Scadaboo? I think by everything we've seen right now, it's probably Scadaboo, but there's still, as I asked
39:52both of you guys yesterday, if we know the Zach Charbonnet timeline, that changes everything.
39:57Yeah. Um, I like this pick at the six, seven turn, Joe Burrow and Tyler Warren, third quarterback off the board and
40:04the fifth tight end off the board, you know, Warren going 61st is unusual.
40:08Laporta went 45th. So if that had been Laporta instead of Warren, would you, would that have been a good pick for team one?
40:15Yeah. Okay. Cause I would have rather, I would have rather had May than Burrow.
40:20Okay. Fair enough. Team one has Burrow and Warren, Jameer Gibbs and Brees Hall, Rasheed Rice, George Pickens and DJ Moore.
40:27Strong team. If you don't have a strong team through the first six or seven rounds of a 10 team league, you
40:34know, then you either just didn't get any good value or you made some mistakes.
40:3810 team. I like 10 team leagues. I wouldn't want to play in too many of them.
40:44Um, but they're fun. They're fun. Yeah, they're fun.
40:47They are fun. Well, every fantasy league is fun.
40:49Yeah. No, but this is on a different level.
40:52Yes, of course. When I was in Vegas at the fantasy football national draft day, there was a league drafting five team league.
40:59That was silly. That was silly. Well, I think I'm going to be that for grownups.
41:04Yeah. I'm going to be in a, like a six team league with the father and son league.
41:10Yeah. Nice. You know, your first one. Yeah. Yeah.
41:13That's awesome. I'm pumped. All right. Back to the draft.
41:16Round six was Evans, Adams, Watson, Judkins, Scadaboo, Parker, Washington, Jadarian Price, Lamar Jackson, Bejal Tootin and Joe Burrow.
41:22Quarterbacks starting to come off the board now. As we go to round seven, Tyler Warren is tight end five, 61st overall.
41:29Chris Godwin, Romo Dunze. Who do you guys like better?
41:32Godwin or Odunze? Godwin. Odunze. Drake May after that.
41:35Then Jordan Mason, 65th. That's ahead of David Montgomery.
41:38That feels early there. That worked out very well for me.
41:41Oh, you got. It absolutely did. And if Montgomery had been taken where Jordan Mason was taken, who would you have taken
41:48as RB two or would you have kept passing?
41:51Ramondre. Ramondre. Okay. Marvin Harrison Jr. was after that.
41:54And then Ramondre Stevenson to team eight, 68th overall going ahead of Travion Henderson.
41:58Travion Henderson, by the way, expected to be ready for week one.
42:02Our next pick is J.K. Dobbins. And then pick 70, the end of round seven here for a team with three receivers and three running backs.
42:10Let's see if he goes Jaden Daniels. Probably not going to take a tight end at this point, but maybe.
42:16I want to make a point about the running back position here because we, uh, I talked about on Monday or Tuesday,
42:23I think that I took Jordan Mason 80th overall in the FFT open.
42:27And we were like, no, that seems kind of early.
42:30So then I went and I looked at where Jordan, I went, looked at eight different FFT open leagues.
42:36And I looked at where Jordan Mason, Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt, and J.K.
42:40Dobbins were being drafted. And my advice to everyone out there is to ignore ADP because they're going to go earlier.
42:47Jordan Mason went between 77th and 85th in six of the eight drafts.
42:51Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt went around 90th in six of the eight drafts.
42:55J.K. Dobbins had more of a range, 81st, 91st, 80, 74, 83rd, 82nd, 95th, 96th.
42:59So I would say between 80 and 95, I would expect Mason, Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt, and J.K.
43:05Dobbins to be off the board in your drafts.
43:07Obviously it's not going to happen in every draft, but you know, after that, you're looking at Gainwell and Corum, guys that
43:14don't have as clear of paths to being a starter on their own team.
43:19And I think this is really an important thing to know going into your draft, Dave.
43:24Like, I mean, you could look at them differently than I do, but I look at Mason, Bill, and Dobbins as three
43:31of the last chances to get a guy that I feel pretty good about their workload.
43:36I have some questions about Dobbins, but that's more of a personal thing here.
43:40Um, and we'll be the first guy up for Denver.
43:43They're not going to be, they're not going to be around at pick 100, I think in most leagues.
43:49So just be aware of it, man. This draft really turned out great for Jamie.
43:54He took Jonathan Brooks. Yeah. So after starting without a running back for the first five rounds, he got a potential hammer
44:01in the giants run heavy offense and scataboo that the definite hammer for the Texans offense in Montgomery and potentially the one a back in Carolina and Brooks.
44:10And I've cooled my jets on Jonathan Brooks, but getting them at 75th overall is a pretty good deal as a third running back.
44:17This, this is, this is the way to do it.
44:20And it, it, this has kind of opened my eyes to maybe considering zero RB more in a smaller format like this.
44:27Yeah. Really just go best player available on a smaller format.
44:31Right. I mean, I have to say I'm going zero RB, but for this to work out, it's not so much anything
44:37else besides the tight end and the quarterback, if they are what they're supposed to be, then I should be fine because I'll find quarterbacks.
44:45I mean, I'll find running backs and receivers of active favor and replacements because the benches are going to, the waiver wire
44:52is going to be a lot better in this.
44:55Sure. That's another great point. Um, yeah, I think probably in retrospect though, you would like your team better if you had Hampton and McBride rather than Bowers.
45:04Correct. Yes. It was definitely a gamble and it did not work in my favor.
45:09All right. We got to take a break here and we'll come right back, uh, after this on fantasy football today.
45:15All right. We are, oh, we're right into round nine.
45:18So we're pick 81 now. And I am curious, all right.
45:22The Josh Jacobs manager has picked 88. I really think you got to take Lloyd there.
45:27Um, but we'll see where Lloyd comes off the board.
45:30Jamie, this is why he should have taken him in round eight instead of, uh, Carnell Tate already had three wide receivers.
45:37Tate's his fourth receiver. I would have absolutely gone in the direction of, of, uh, Lloyd there.
45:42If not one of Brooks, maybe Travion, maybe Dowdle just, and it's specific.
45:46It's not about like the right spot in the draft to take Lloyd.
45:50It's just specific to the guy took Jacobs. The guy kind of reached for Jacobs with the 33rd overall pick.
45:57I think he got to safeguard it. I know that's kind of a loser mentality in fantasy, but in this case, I
46:03think it would pay off because of how the track record is for running backs in green Bay.
46:09Yeah, this, this has been a fun draft because there's just been a lot of picks going way off of the, you
46:16know, ADP like Jaden Reed 76 and Brian Thomas jr.
46:1983rd. I wonder if the manager who took Jaden Reed and just selected Jalen hurts in round nine, if he would have taken Brian Thomas jr.
46:27Had he not already had Parker Washington, but also Quentin Johnson was on the board.
46:32Um, the John Stribbling, I think is still on the board.
46:35So this is the earliest I've seen Jaden Reed go at 76 overall.
46:40Christian Watson went 53rd. Uh, Jamie just took his fourth straight running back and Jalen Warren.
46:45Well, now you only have two wide receivers three.
46:47Oh, you have three. Oh, I have to scroll up.
46:51Right. You have St. Brown. My bad. Um, you have St.
46:54Brown, London, Garrett Wilson, Scadaboo, Montgomery, Jonathan Brooks, and Jalen Warren.
46:57Uh, in this format, Jamie Rico Dowdle when 77th Warren, 86 half PPR.
47:02Who do you like better? Uh, I like Dowdle better, but this was still a good value for Warren.
47:07Yeah. RJ Harvey went 80th, Blake Corum 84th. So I will tell you where I did struggle the round before, just cause
47:14he didn't get picked at that point. Um, I did struggle with Brian Thomas jr.
47:19Versus Jonathan Brooks simply because I could start Thomas.
47:22Yeah. And I don't know if I necessarily want to start Brooks.
47:26If I, if you had known that you were getting Jalen Warren round, I would have taken Thomas.
47:31Yeah. But you never know. Picking in the middle is tough in that regard.
47:36Um, all right. So I'll catch you up on rounds eight and nine, George Kittle, Tucker craft, by the way, the, uh,
47:43Dave John who Smith signing with the Packers. Does that matter at all?
47:47I don't think it does. I think craft just has his role locked in.
47:51I don't, unless we hear about a setback, I'm good with craft in round six.
47:56Okay. Craft, uh, in the 12 team league, he went around eight here.
48:00Right. And which would be the last pick of round six and a 12 team league.
48:05Kittle over craft though. What do you think? Don't like it.
48:08Would rather have craft. Kittle craft Tate. Travion Henderson, Jonathan Brooks, Jaden Reed, Rico Dowdle, Tony Pollard, Quentin Johnston, RJ Harvey in round eight, pick 71 through 80.
48:17Round nine, Cortland Sutton, Jaden Daniels, um, Brian Thomas Jr.
48:20Blake Corum, Jalen Hurts, Jalen Warren, DK Metcalf, Stefan Diggs, Jacory Krosky Merritt going 89th.
48:25So again, that's Mason and J and Jacory Krosky Merritt and Dobbins all off the board by the 90th pick with Mason and Dobbins going 65th and 69th.
48:34Uh, when you look at Jacory Krosky Merritt, should he go ahead of the Steelers guys?
48:39Should he go ahead of Corum, RJ Harvey? Jamie, what do you think?
48:43He'd definitely make an argument for it. Um, you know, given his touchdown potential and, you know, where catches don't count as
48:50much in this, uh, in this league, in this format.
48:53But, um, for me just with the ambiguous situation in Pittsburgh, like Warren could still be fantastic and be better than Dowdle.
49:00I cannot believe that this guy had two chances to take Marshawn Lloyd.
49:04Yeah. Well, I really just won that. He didn't take Marshawn Lloyd.
49:08No, he had two. He could have taken them over Tate if he really wanted to, but just getting another crack at
49:15him at 88th overall eighth pick around nine could have had Marshawn Lloyd.
49:19And instead he took Stefan Diggs when he already has how many receivers on his team?
49:24Olave, Jamison Williams, Christian Watson, Carnell Tate. Okay. So you're drafting a backup either way at running back or wide receiver.
49:30Why not take the guy who's connected to one of the running backs that you took earlier instead of Stefan Diggs?
49:37It's mystifying. The only thing I can think of is that slush puppies subscribes to the theory that it's not necessary to
49:44handcuff your backs, no matter the circumstance. And there are people that believe in that.
49:48And I generally believe in that. I want other people's handcuffs.
49:52And so does Optimus Prime because he just took Marshawn Lloyd one pick ahead of where slush puppies was going to take him.
49:59And that was 92nd overall. Slush puppies. How many teams fit this description?
50:03Slush puppies. Sorry. Through 10 rounds does not have a quarterback or a tight end.
50:08So same with Optimus Prime. Those are teams are picking.
50:11What is that? Eighth and ninth overall. They do not have a quarterback or a tight end.
50:16I think that's it. Yeah. So they have gone nothing but running backs and receivers with their first.
50:22Oh, I'm sorry. Optimus Prime is Tucker Craft. But they don't have a quarterback.
50:26Yeah. So slush puppies is the last team to take the onesie positions.
50:31He is 10. Let's see. He has four running backs and six wide receivers.
50:35James Cook, Kenneth Walker, Chris Olave, Josh Jacobs, Jamison Williams, Christian Watson, Ramondre Stevenson, Carnell Tate, Stefan Diggs, and Dejan Stripling.
50:42I don't really love this team. I love the running backs and love Olave.
50:46Yeah, I don't know. I think he went a little too far with the receivers.
50:51Like a lot. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Jamison Williams, who would you have taken instead of Jamison Williams?
50:57McLaurin, Evans, Adams, Watson, who would you have taken?
51:00Yes. All of them. Okay. Not Evans. Would you have taken anyone over Christian Watson in round six?
51:05Parker Washington. Oh, doing say was still there. I don't know.
51:09I think it's the Carnell Tate and Stefan Diggs picks.
51:12Right. Yeah. I mean, you might be able to talk me into Tate, but I also think Tate might have made it
51:19back to you in the next round. You cannot talk me into Diggs or Stripling at that point.
51:25Diggs ahead of Ja'Cory Crossley Merritt. Diggs ahead of Marshawn Lloyd.
51:28Maybe even Diggs ahead of Kenneth Gainwell in a half PPR.
51:31I can't find it as your fifth wide receiver.
51:34And then Stripling is your sixth. Oh, Jamie, you took Mike Washington.
51:38Yes. Okay. I was like, has Mike Washington gone?
51:41So Jamie's team. I wasn't planning on taking another running back there, but I just felt like it was worth it.
51:47Yeah. St. Brown, Bowers, Drake London, Josh Allen, Garrett Wilson with his first five picks.
51:52And then his next five picks were running backs.
51:55Scadaboo, Montgomery, Jonathan Brooks, Jalen Warren, Mike Washington. All right.
51:58After Mike Washington at running back, we had Gainwell and we had Chuba Hubbard at picks 99 and 100 overall.
52:04Jamie has a steal coming his way. It's definitely going to be there.
52:08If he wants it. Tight end. He already has Bowers, though.
52:12Oh, that's right. Never mind. I'm sorry. I didn't see the top of his draft.
52:17I forgot that he had Bowers because I'm an idiot.
52:20But still, a great tight end has fallen into round 11.
52:23You know what I'm going to do? For good value.
52:26I'm going to turn on YouTube here and see what it looks like.
52:30And then I'm going to see if I can make the zoom out a little, like make it smaller.
52:36All right. So let's see. Is that too small?
52:39No. Yeah. I think it works. It might be tough to see on a phone.
52:44On a phone, yeah. But I'm watching the draft on a big screen in my office and it looks really good.
52:51Prop to CBS. You're cheating with the big screen.
52:53Let me see what it looks like on my laptop with YouTube here.
52:57I want to make sure everyone can see. Well, I'm sure there are people watching on their phones live that can say something in the chat.
53:06It's too small. Let's go up to 90. We'll compromise.
53:09All right. What picks have I missed? After Chuba Hubbard, some of the tight ends are coming off the board.
53:15Fannin went in round 10. Pitts went in round 10.
53:18Goddard went in round 11. We still don't have Isaiah Likely off the board, right?
53:23Or Kelsey. They're still around. To steal for Pitts.
53:26To steal for Pitts likely is still a big steal.
53:29Likely is the highest ranked player left that I see along with Justin Herbert.
53:33And I think Slush Puppies, the team that I said I didn't really like that much, is going to end up with Trevor Lawrence and maybe Isaiah Likely.
53:42And Isaiah Likely. Yeah. And that'll make it better.
53:45That's very good. Very good. I just wish you had Marshawn Lloyd, my friend.
53:49My Josh Jacobs friend. I don't know that we need to really go through the rest of these picks.
53:55If you want to talk about some bills. Oh, maybe.
53:58Travis Kelsey goes, yeah, some teams will take two tight ends and it will screw you up.
54:04So you can't. And it makes sense because Kittle isn't a lock to play in week one.
54:09Yep. So you're going to need another tight end anyway.
54:12You might as well draft one. See, I would have taken Likely there instead of Kelsey because Likely might end up being
54:19a breakout player that you can trade once you're comfortable with Kittle.
54:23Or if Likely's a real breakout player, you trade Kittle.
54:26But you need somebody for week one, at least as of now, if you draft Kittle.
54:31So getting Kelsey makes sense in that regard. But I would have preferred the younger tight end in Likely.
54:37I think if you take Kittle and you don't want to take a second tight end fairly early, you could just take Jake Tonjes.
54:44He was pretty good. And I don't even know if you have to take him.
54:49But, well, if we find out Kittle's out, somebody will pick him up, I think.
54:54We got round 11, Michael Pittman. Oh, you got to play the noise.
54:58You got Aaron Jones. The show stops so Adam can play a noise.
55:02And let's see who Slush Buffy takes. He had Trevor Lawrence as his quarterback in round 11.
55:07He doesn't have a tight end. You got to take Isaiah Likely.
55:11Come on, dude. Take Isaiah Likely. Make us proud.
55:14The pick is in. It is not Isaiah Likely.
55:17It is Rashad White. All right, Jamie, what are you thinking here?
55:21You've got elite quarterback, elite tight end. You're just drafting depth at this point.
55:25What do you got? Yeah, I'm happy the way this worked out.
55:29I was considering Coker over Golden. I haven't taken much of Golden, so I took Golden first.
55:34And now I took Coker. So really thrilled with this receiving core after loading up on all those running backs.
55:40And, well, yeah, one more round of this? Two more.
55:43Two more. So, you know, now I have loved my receivers.
55:47Obviously, love quarterback and tight end. And have the ability to take another couple of swings at lottery ticket running backs.
55:53Before we look at some builds here and what we like and what we don't like, let me ask you this.
56:00In this round, round 12. You said builds or like bills?
56:03Builds. I don't want to look at my bills.
56:06I must say, which Corey Krosky, Mary, like, I don't know how you guys feel, but I'm very nervous about the offensive line for him in particular.
56:15Right? You've lost your left tackle maybe for the season and you've moved one of your guards out to left tackle.
56:21Like, it's good. I believe just, you're not wrong, but I believe the report that we read yesterday about how they struggled with the Ravens.
56:29They also had two other starters that were not participating.
56:32Right. Right. Allegretti was out and then there was another player, I believe, who was out.
56:37So, um, yeah, still not going to be great.
56:40Exactly. Even when those guys are healthy. Now, Aaron Jones and Chris Rodriguez went in round 12.
56:46Jordan Mason went in round seven and Bejal Tootin went in round six.
56:50What Dave, what are the better values in the Minnesota and Jacksonville backfields?
56:54I think Tootin is the one that has the most upside and seeing him go.
56:58In round six, 59th overall. That's about where I'd expect him to go in every draft anyways, right around 60th overall.
57:05I just think that he's got that combination of speed, toughness, youth, offensive scheme.
57:09I think it, I think there's a great outlook for him.
57:13I'd feel a heck of a lot better about Mason.
57:16If Aaron Jones was going to look like a 33 year old, I think he's 33, a 33 year old running back.
57:23I love the way that Jones looked in their preseason game.
57:26I also like the way their offensive line looked.
57:29And I know that running backs that play alongside Kyler Murray get a little bit of a bump in efficiency because of
57:36Kyler Murray's threat to run and defense is having to plan for that.
57:40If Mason's going later, where did he go here?
57:43I'm struggling to find him. He went pretty early.
57:46I mean, he's 65th is not, he's usually going around.
57:49The value here is definitely Aaron Jones. Mason went too soon.
57:52You know, so if you're talking about in this particular draft, I would rather wait to get Aaron Jones where he went
57:59because exactly what Dave said, what they've been saying.
58:02And what they at least showed us in one snippet says that Aaron Jones is not just going to be a pass catching back.
58:10He's going to have an opportunity to run. I don't think 50, 50, but could be still 60, 40.
58:16And the passing downs work is 1 billion percent going to favor Aaron Jones.
58:20So if you're talking about a, you said around 11, a five round difference, I'd rather wait for Aaron Jones.
58:26Yeah. I think it's a fair enough difference that you take to because there's more upside there.
58:32There's definitely more upside. But the problem is, you know, Rodriguez is going to play maybe the goal line back.
58:38And yeah, Mason, like I keep saying Mason Dobbins and Corey Grosky-Mare.
58:42I think there's a lot of risk with those guys.
58:45If the preseason, if the snaps play out the way the preseason has played out for Minnesota, I think Mason's going to be pretty disappointing.
58:53Unless he's just the goal line back. That we didn't see.
58:56We didn't see any opportunities there. There is though the, you know, Dave sort of hinted at this thing.
59:0213 PPR points per game is what Jones, is what Mason averaged when Jones missed five games last year.
59:08Like that puts him in top 20-ish range. Yeah, but Jones isn't injured.
59:12But he's been, he played injured his first year in Minnesota through some significant injuries.
59:17And then he missed five games last year. Yeah, he did.
59:20And he's only 31, by the way. He'll be 32 in December.
59:24So don't throw a retirement party for him yet, Dave.
59:27All right. I will. Let's see. Am I missing, like am I colorblind here?
59:32Slush Puppy still does not have a tight end.
59:34Nope. He's got one pick left. One pick left.
59:37So I'm real curious to see who he takes.
59:40My highest ranked tight end is Kincaid. See, that's why you don't want, this is what you do not want to have happen in a 10-team week.
59:49Yeah. Right. It could be this week at one spot.
59:52You can live with Lawrence as your quarterback. That is perfectly fine.
59:55Right. So he had the opportunity to take who?
59:58Everyone. Likely. Likely at 113 overall. So he could have gone Lawrence likely back-to-back, and that would have made his team pretty solid.
60:05Yep. But he had to have Rashad White. And he had to have Stefan Diggs.
60:10You got to get those commanders. All right. Let's take a look at some builds.
60:15Dave, give me a number. One through 10. Nine.
60:18Because I actually dig what Optimus Prime did. He went anchor RB, took McCaffrey at ninth overall.
60:23That's something I could see myself doing. And then followed it up with three very good wide receivers.
60:29A.J. Brown, T. Higgins, Ladd McConkie. And then in round five, Bucky Irving.
60:33Maybe a settle for RB too. But you could be excited taking him around that point.
60:38Devontae Adams after that I thought was good value in a half PPR.
60:42I think he reached a little bit for J.K.
60:45Dobbins. I'm okay with Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt. There's nothing wrong with firing the shot on Marshawn line in round 10, no matter who
60:52you drafted in your first nine picks. And then he waited, waited, waited for a quarterback.
60:57And he got one of my favorite quarterbacks in Justin Herbert.
61:00And he got him at 129th overall. Yet another example of, I can't believe this dude is still sitting here in the draft.
61:07I'm going to take him. Excellent, excellent value. Maybe the best value in this draft to get Justin Herbert at 129.
61:14This is a good team. I would be excited about this team with Optimus Prime loading up on running backs.
61:20So if something does happen to Christian McCaffrey, okay, he's got some options.
61:24They're not the best options to replace him if it's J.K.
61:28Dobbins, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt, Lloyd, if things work out in Green Bay.
61:31But the receiving group is awesome. Tucker Craft was a steal at 8.2.
61:35And Herbert at quarterback. This might be my favorite team.
61:38I haven't looked at every single team, but this is one of them.
61:42Yeah, it's a good one. And I think it's interesting, right, because Jamie made the point in rounds two and four to
61:49take his tight end one and his QB one.
61:52And he came out with a really good team.
61:55It's a perfectly fine way to build a team, try to be elite at those onesie positions.
62:00Whereas this team, team nine, took Tucker Craft 72nd overall in round eight and took Justin Herbert 129th overall in round 13.
62:07And then after Herbert went, he still could have taken Brock Purdy or Jackson Dart.
62:12I don't even know if Jared Goff was drafted in this league.
62:16It was out. So, yeah, you don't have to build your team like Jamie to get the elite quarterback and the elite
62:23tight end if the value's not there. And it really wasn't there for him, at least at tight end, unless he wanted
62:29to take Loveland 32nd overall, which he didn't. All right, Jamie, give me a number one through 10.
62:35Two. Two. Team two. B. John Robinson. All right, so this is a great one.
62:40Even in a 10-team league, you take B. John Robinson, you're probably not getting a running back in rounds two and three.
62:47You're probably not taking one. Now, I think you should have taken Saquon Barkley.
62:51Agreed. But Saquon Barkley typically won't be there at 19th overall.
62:55But maybe one of those guys will fall there.
62:57Anyway, he goes B. John Robinson, Justin Jefferson, and then Malik Neighbors in round three.
63:02I think we all would take Saquon Barkley well ahead of Malik Neighbors, especially half PPR.
63:07Yeah. Whatever. And then we got Javante Williams in round four.
63:11That's a good pick, 39th overall. Luther Burden, Bejal Tootin.
63:14Chris Godwin, Quentin Johnston. This is another team that took a quarterback in round nine and took two tight ends in rounds 11 and 12.
63:22So the starting lineup is going to be Jaden Daniels.
63:25It's going to be Dallas Goddard or Isaiah Likely at tight end.
63:28B. John Robinson, Javante Williams. Justin Jefferson, Malik Neighbors.
63:31And then your flexes are going to be two of these four.
63:35Luther Burden, Bejal Tootin, Chris Godwin, Quentin Johnston. It's pretty good.
63:39A lot of LSU on this team. Obviously, Quentin Johnston, 65-yard touchdown catch yesterday.
63:43So let's put him three rounds higher in ADP.
63:46No, I think this was a great pick at 79 overall.
63:49He went after Carnell Tatey, went after Jaden Reed.
63:52I don't know how you guys feel about Quentin Johnston there.
63:55It's just the Brian Thomas one. I think Thomas still has more upside.
64:00I agree. I would have rather had Thomas. I would have rather had Sutton.
64:04Also, this team drafted Bigsby to back up the Barkley pick that he never made.
64:09I'm sorry. But that's an example of taking other people's handcuffs.
64:12Imagine it working out where Saquon wins Powerball, decides to retire.
64:16Bigsby, the next man up in Philadelphia. Now he's got the lead running back in Philly, the lead running back in Atlanta,
64:22the lead running back in Dallas, and maybe the lead running back in Jacksonville.
64:27This is why you go after. You almost want to get the backup running backs in the best situations where if they
64:34do get that opportunity, and think about Quorum with the Rams, certainly in that same vein.
64:39When they get that opportunity, if they get that opportunity, oh man, you're going to have a must-start running back.
64:45I want to talk about team. My 14-year-old son, who's a freshman in high school, is taking a sports management class, which
64:52is basically all they do is they just had their fantasy draft in their class, and that's all they're talking about right now.
64:59So he's getting trade offers left and right, and he just keeps texting me about trade offers.
65:05Are any of them good, or are they all like...
65:08Somebody offered him... Should I do this pile of poo for Jameer Gibbs?
65:12No, he's gotten pretty good offers so far. This one, I think he's going to actually take.
65:17It's one of those, like, they're kids. So he's like, they make the offer, and then they rescind it like three seconds later.
65:24Oh yeah, only kids do that. He got offered DeAndre Swift or Quinshawn Judkins.
65:29I told him to accept it. Yeah, that's an accept.
65:32Nice job, bro. Would it be bad if he was texting me or Dave or Heath instead of you?
65:38That'd be bad. It reminds me of the story.
65:41Why would it be bad? Because, you know, he should be asking you.
65:45Have I told the story on air about when my son wasn't sure to draft Puka Nakua?
65:50He's literally having lunch in the building with me.
65:53And he goes, I don't know. Do I take Puka Nakua?
65:56I think it was two years ago when he was all banged up.
66:00And I was like, yeah. And he goes, let me see where Jamie has him ranked.
66:05And then he saw that Jamie had him ranked just like I did.
66:09And he goes, well, let me see how Heath has him ranked.
66:13And I think Heath was a little different. Maybe it was a little bit lower on Nakua.
66:19He ultimately took Nakua. He listened to his dad.
66:21Love it. Or no, listen to Jamie. All right, last team.
66:25Listen to Jamie, yeah. This is why people have the opportunity to see all three of our rankings.
66:31Yeah. Yeah. All right. Last team is Team 7 picked after Jamie.
66:34I'm just glad he used one of our rankings.
66:37It would have put a knife through my heart if it took somebody else's.
66:41Can you put up the question from the Homer Simpson person?
66:45Isn't Stevenson going before Henderson right now? He should, yeah.
66:48I think it depends on your line of things.
66:51So I'll just give you what I was looking at.
66:54Where I took Brooks, I would have taken Henderson, even though I have Brooks ranked higher.
66:59And this is not a Stevenson thing, but it kind of factors in Stevenson because I have Stevenson ranked higher.
67:05The way I built this team, like I need a superstar.
67:09And Henderson has that ability. So like I like your analogy to all this, Adam, to me makes the most sense about how you compare Henderson and Coram.
67:18Like getting Coram a round or two later, there's very similar ranges of outcomes for both those guys.
67:23I feel like it's more like three rounds later, honestly.
67:26Well, whatever the ADP settles that. I think Coram is going to kind of hold steady.
67:31And I think all the Henderson stuff, especially since he's a little bit banged up, will drop him potentially around.
67:38I hope it's around. But I think if you, if you want the safer play, it's obviously Stevenson.
67:43If you want the guy who can start for you right now, it's Stevenson.
67:48If your build is, I have my two running backs.
67:51I love everything else about my team, receivers, whatever, however you started your roster, zero RB, hero RB, whatever, or just even
67:58just taking two running backs and then loading up a receivers quarterback and tight end.
68:02The, the upside play is, is Henderson. We're all aware of that.
68:06Nobody's going to argue against that because we saw what Henderson did when Stevenson's not there.
68:11It's just, you can't go into the season counting on Henderson to be a starter for you right away.
68:17So for me, knowing it's a 10 team league, Jonathan Brooks right now is my flex.
68:22I can find a flex. That's going to give me Jonathan Brooks like production, unless he's just an absolute stud, which he could be.
68:30But the way that I built this roster Henderson, if he hits, I was also looking at quorum.
68:35He went, I think one or two spots before me.
68:39Those are the type of players that are going to make this build.
68:43Perfect. I just, I guess I agree with you, but we saw what Travion Henderson can do without Ramondre Stevenson last year.
68:50And it was amazing. We didn't see what Ramondre can do without Travion Henderson.
68:54I don't think it could be quite as amazing.
68:57Cause he's not, you've also seen what about those last three games of last year, but you've seen, you've seen what Stevenson
69:04could do when Henderson wasn't even on the team.
69:06I get a different team. Drake, may I get all those things?
69:10Yes, it is. It is a much different team.
69:13And I don't think he can be as good as Travion Henderson, but he's probably a must start because he's probably scoring.
69:20He was better in those last three. Yeah, totally, totally.
69:23You're, you're a hundred percent right. But I think, yes, there's no way to dispute it, but that's the, Brooks has that
69:30same type of upside too, does he not? Like I get where you're coming from.
69:35Totally understand it. I think Brooks has upside. If Chuba is already dealing with an injury, if Brooks is the week one
69:42starter and he's getting a lot of work in Carolina, yeah, there's injury risk, but at least he looks like he knows what he's doing out there.
69:50We don't know if Travion does. He's got upside too.
69:53So I don't think that there's, I don't think you should feel all doom and gloom because you missed out on Travion because you got Jonathan Brooks.
70:02No, I, I, I, Warren to me, that's the better example.
70:05Like Jalen Warren. Yeah, he, he definitely is going to need Rico Dowdle to go away for him to really match his ceiling.
70:12And I don't even know if that ceiling is any higher than like 11 and a half, half PPR points per game.
70:19Whereas Blake Corum, if something happens to Kyron Williams, hello, he's going to be a must start fancy running back.
70:26Okay. Um, and, and I think Corum just based on the way they were used last year is a guy that unfortunately
70:32he just never caught passes basically, but he split goal line work with Kyron.
70:37They had the same amount of goal line carries from whatever it was week seven or whatever Corum started getting work.
70:43He could be a guy you can throw in there in a pinch if you need a flex.
70:49Um, all right, we're going to, and for anybody who remembers all the drama last off season, which wouldn't be a factor
70:56now, but small factor, dark West Hunter getting traded.
70:59I think that would make Corum easily the featured back.
71:02Oh yeah. And he hasn't, Ronnie rivers would be the next guy up.
71:06Yeah, no, they value Corum quite a bit. And I haven't heard any reports about him lately, but early in camp, he
71:13was having a terrific camp and all the, all the videos of him training were showing him.
71:18I mean, I'm not, I'm not so sure that he's, you know, not as good as Kyron Williams, which is not, which is, I think Kyron's very good.
71:27I think they both are very good, but just we'll see.
71:31I haven't seen enough of Blake Corum. Uh, he was drafted earlier than Kyron for what it's worth in the NFL draft.
71:37Okay. That's it for, uh, this show. Thank you so much for watching and listening, everybody.
71:42And for our nine participants in today's draft, awesome stuff.
71:46Really? This, uh, I'm going to write about the draft today.
71:49So it'll be on the site. And I want to, I want to read in the comments, which team people watching thought was the best.
71:57Maybe there'll be a consensus about which team won the draft.
72:00People watching great album from Sam Fender. Well, and with that, thank you, Dave, for plugging that.
72:06We'll talk to you at the mailbag with Dan Schneier later on.
72:09See ya. Podcasts. Podcasts. Podcasts.