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0:41How cool is that? And we're all here today on this Wednesday morning to tell you the players that we keep on drafting here for 2026.
0:49I'm Adam Azer. Dave Richard is back! Hey, Dave!
0:52What's up, fool? How was your trip? Good. I'm tired.
0:55Yeah. Saw a lot of stuff. Can't wait to tell you guys about it.
0:59Yes, we're gonna hear about that. He went to Raiders camp and saw Ashton Jeanty get hurt and then be okay.
1:06And, uh... I don't know how okay he is, but he definitely got hurt.
1:10Saw the Jaguars. He saw the Bucks. So we'll get some inside info from Dave.
1:15Hello, Heath! Were you there when Brian Thomas got hurt also?
1:18Right in front of me. Literally right in front of me.
1:21Yeah. Don't go in the room with Dave this week.
1:24Jeez, you got bad luck. No kidding. Well, he was there when Dan...
1:28So far in the last seven days, I've heard a running back, a wide receiver, a pizza restaurant.
1:34I'm on a roll. Yep. And you heard Dad belching for a half hour too.
1:39That killed me. All right. Let's... Here's what we're gonna do.
1:42We're gonna do the players we keep on drafting, but with a little bit of a twist.
1:47I'm gonna argue against them. I'm gonna play a little devil's advocate, make you defend.
1:52Not all of them. Two for each of you.
1:55Uh, we've sort of... I feel like we've moved past that portion of draft preview where we're debating things.
2:00And I think we need to get back to that.
2:03Let's, you know, let's have some debates here. Yeah.
2:06So, let's do part one of players we keep drafting with a twist.
2:10And just give me two. You gave me kind of longer lists, but we'll go one each and then we'll go one each again.
2:18Let's start with Heath. Who's the player you keep drafting?
2:21I didn't give you a long list. No. I gave you like three and a half guys.
2:26Yeah, not that many. But... I mean, we can start with, uh, with the guy that up until Jamie took him in
2:33our last draft, I had drafted in every real draft that I'd done so far this season.
2:38And it's Sam Laporta. Okay. So you want me to just get right into the why you, why you...
2:44I think everybody's heard my case for Sam Laporta 75,000 times this off season.
2:48So you can go ahead and do your well-researched.
2:51He hurt his back last year. His hip hurts right now.
2:54That's a problem. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's like, I wonder sometimes if, if we, I think I'm guilty of
3:01this too, is like, I really like a player so much and then he gets hurt in the preseason and I don't want to care.
3:09Right. And I, I don't discount him enough. How much have you discounted him since the hip injury, which may not be a big deal at all.
3:17Right. I haven't really, because it was like, he got hit really hard in the hip.
3:22I've heard nothing about any structural concerns, any ligament concerns, anything like that.
3:26If it was like something to where it could have been related, like he's got sciatica and it's related to a back
3:33injury, or he's got a hip flexor that he like pulled or something like that, then I probably would have.
3:39I think it's, it's really, and it's probably just because we have so much more coverage than we used to.
3:45But I think it would be a shorter list.
3:48If you made a list of guys who have not gotten hurt this preseason, then guys who have gotten hurt this preseason.
3:55Like we had six guys get hurt yesterday and most of them, we don't think it's probably any big deal.
4:01We're going to get to week four and there's going to be like eight guys that we say, yeah, we should have
4:08known he was hurt in the preseason. Well, so were 80 other guys.
4:12Well, why are we talking? He's back at practice, right?
4:15This is like a good thing. Okay. So my other arguments against Sam Laporta have nothing to do with the entry.
4:21Uh, he was tight end one overall tight in three per game as a rookie in that season.
4:27Jameson Williams played 12 games and had 42 targets.
4:29Since then, Sam Laporta has been tight at nine per game and tight end seven per game.
4:35Obviously Jameson Williams has had a bigger role in that stretch.
4:38Additionally, you could even look at last year. He was tight end seven per game, played nine games.
4:44He had 49 targets. So he's getting what's how many targets per game is that nine divided by 49 divided by nine.
4:50Not a lot, uh, five and a half targets per game.
4:54And in that stretch, Jameson Williams wasn't even getting targets.
4:57Jameson Williams is getting about five targets per game.
5:00So, um, I'm worried that I he's really good player, Sam Laporta, but hasn't shown that he can be an elite tight end when Jameson Williams is involved.
5:08And even when Jameson Williams wasn't that involved. And then the next two games after the buy, before he got hurt, you
5:15had both of them get 13 targets. They made a point after the buy, even before the Laporta injury say, we got to get Jameson Williams more involved.
5:24They did both at 13 targets in weeks. I want to say nine and 10, and then Laporta got hurt.
5:30So it's really the, my biggest concern is that he just hasn't been an elite tight end without Jameson with Jameson Williams
5:36really, you know, being a part of the offense.
5:39Where would you drive? Yeah. Round seven at the earliest.
5:42He has around seven ADP. He is currently being drafted as tight end six, a fraction, like not even a full spot,
5:49a fraction of a spot ahead of Tucker craft.
5:52Um, probably will change by tomorrow with the rate Laporte has been falling in drafts.
5:57So I think the, like, he's not proven that he can be an elite tight end, except for the year that he
6:03finished as the number one tight end. And Jameson Williams.
6:06Well, right. I don't think, I think that most of the history, the history we have suggests that when those two are
6:13on the field, it's been more Laporta than Jameson Williams.
6:16And they just hired drew Petsing as their offensive coordinator.
6:19By the way, look at where he's going right now over the last five days on NFC draft position, average draft position.
6:26That's 71 drafts. Sam Laporte is going 99th. It's tight end eight.
6:30That's still so. But at the same time, the tight end ADP is pretty low.
6:34Tucker craft 80th, Kyle Pitts, 81st, Harold Fannin, 92nd, Sam Laporte 99th.
6:38That'd be amazing value. Um, all right, Jamie, you're up.
6:41Give me a player. I don't know who you have an argument for.
6:45I mean, I can, I can do the argument at any time, but the players I picked for you were Justin Herbert and Deandre Swift.
6:53There you go. Pick one. All right, let's go to Justin Herbert.
6:57This one. Let's go. Okay, let's go. So I gave five names and you chose one of the five that I shared with Jamie to argue against.
7:05All right. I thought that would be better, you know, because you know, then it's like, I'm getting.
7:10Let's go Herbert. All right. Look at you. Herbert or Swift.
7:14Herbert. Herbert. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Herbert, I think is, is pretty safe.
7:18He pretty much always finishes as a top 12 quarterback, but the only times he's been, you know, an elite quarterback, he's
7:25averaged over 39 pass attempts per game. That's not really the M.O.
7:28of, of, of Mike McDaniel. He's more of a slow pace, run the ball kind of guy.
7:33Um, that's basically it. He also, as good as Herbert was last year, is on pace for 529 rushing yards.
7:40And he's usually more like a 300 rushing yard guy.
7:43So that was really strange. Uh, so let me get rid of this Laporta ADP here.
7:48Thank you. Um, so anyway, yeah, it just, he's, he's only been elite when he's thrown almost 40 times per game.
7:54Fair point. Um, he was averaging over 25 points per game last year in the six games with Joel.
8:00The offense was scoring over 25 points per game in the six games with Joel.
8:05And now you're getting Joel back for the season with Rashawn Slater.
8:08So losing be out. It sucks their center. Uh, that was, you know, just an added strength to it.
8:14But I just think when Herbert has things working around him, I'm sure he's the laugh at this.
8:20Uh, but when Herbert has things working around him, he will be in a very good spot to succeed.
8:26So he's in that jumbled mix of quarterbacks. If you're looking at the, the rank list, the consensus rank list on, uh,
8:32on YouTube, if you see it on our site, basically after QB six, it's Prescott, Herbert, Lawrence, Williams, Purdy, golf, dart, Mahomes.
8:39Uh, who am I missing golf? Uh, no, he's, he's in there.
8:43Um, I don't know the, the, the seven, six or seven quarterbacks that all go in that range of, I love Caleb
8:50Williams, or I think this is Trevor Lawrence's year or Dak's going to be awesome.
8:54Once again, you want to put them at the bottom of the list.
8:58That's fine. I just think that Justin Herbert's a very good value.
9:02I think he's going to have a good season.
9:05I think as long as his tackles are healthy or at least one of them, he has a chance to be successful.
9:11And I do think that Mike McDaniel, yes, while having the ability to be an offensive genius also does not necessarily say, Hey, I'm Ben Johnson.
9:19I'm going to throw the ball all over the place.
9:22Hey, I'm this guy. I'm going to open up things all like crazy.
9:26He did as shockingly as that may seem right now, watching that guy play.
9:31He got to a tongue of Iloa to lead the NFL in passing yards.
9:35Yeah. Amazing. To a tongue of Iloa. So I have a better, I think, argument against Herbert.
9:40Sorry, Heath, I'll let you jump in. But it's more like you have to commit to taking him ahead of players who might be just as good.
9:49Yeah. He's in a big tier and he seems to be at the top of the tier.
9:54That's, I guess, the more of the argument is like losing value in ADP.
9:58That's all. Yeah, I think, and I'm not the biggest Justin Herbert guy.
10:02I'm not sure if I've made that clear. I think he's fine and where he's being drafted is pretty close to fine,
10:09but he's going like a full round behind Caleb Williams and behind Trevor Lawrence.
10:13And so my, my thing I was going to interject was, I think we should pass a rule for Adam's devil advocate.
10:20If a player is being drafted after the first six rounds, the argument can't be he's only been elite win.
10:26Because we're drafting the guys in seven and eight.
10:29Like, I think that applies for running backs and wide receivers because there are so many of them going in the first
10:36six, seven rounds, but for quarterbacks and tight ends, especially for quarterbacks, we expect.
10:40To find elite quarterbacks all throughout the draft. Um, you're taking Sam Laporta in round six.
10:45I mean, there, you know, there are potentially, I don't know if they're potentially elite wide receivers there.
10:51There might be, there's Christian Watson and there's Mike Evans and guys like that and Parker Washington.
10:56But all right, fair enough. You want to, this is somebody said in the chat, beat up on Adam Wednesday.
11:02All right. Jamie's made his case. Dave, who's, who's your guy?
11:05As opposed to beat up on Adam Thursday, beat up on Adam Friday, beat up on Adam Sunday.
11:11It's kind of a thing we do. Let's talk about CD lamb, who I have gravitated toward taking with a late first round pick and full PPR.
11:19When I'm picking eight through 12 and there isn't a running back there that I just think is a slam dunk over him.
11:26Those running backs are usually Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, James Cook.
11:30I look at all the other running backs that are left and I like them, but there's a lot of them and
11:36there aren't a lot of wide receivers left. And so I'm going to gravitate toward lamb and I'm going to look at those six games.
11:44And we've talked about this a decent amount during the off season.
11:48There were six games with Quinn and Williams and Dallas, meaning, all right, they, they, they acquired this awesome defensive tackle.
11:54He made their defense better. He changed how much they passed.
11:58And there were six games in those six games.
12:00This is week 11 through 15. And then week 17 lamb averaged 16.4 PPR points per game, 10.9 non PPR points per game, 9.2 targets per game.
12:09And over the course of the entire season, CD lamb had just three touchdowns.
12:13He had a high ankle sprain that seemed to limit him.
12:16He's healthy now. I don't think he's going to catch just three touchdowns.
12:20I think he can double that. I think it's possible he can triple that and he's still going to get a hell
12:27of a lot of targets in this offense. I know George Pickens is there.
12:31I know what Pickens is capable of doing. I still think CD lamb is the straw that serves the drink here.
12:38And I'm going to take him as the fifth wide receiver off the board with that late round pick.
12:44Late round one pick. I mean, excuse me. Okay.
12:47Devil's advocate. He's not even the best wide receiver on his team.
12:50George Pickens has been a more efficient wide receiver throughout his career than CD lamb.
12:55And I think guys with high a dots usually are more efficient, but lamb actually had a higher a dot than George Pickens last year.
13:03And Pickens was still better on a per target and per catch basis.
13:07And in week seven through 17, after lamb came back from the injury, excluding week 18 where they played half the snaps, half the game.
13:14Pickens scored more fantasy points per game. So you're, you got the wrong cowboy.
13:19Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. So the guy I keep drafting most often is George Pickens.
13:23Okay. Well, let's let Dave respond to that. And then we'll go into George Pickens.
13:28The one thing that's really got me shook on both of these wide receivers is this track record that I discovered over
13:34the last, what is it like 15 years or 11 years?
13:38Something like that. Where only one receiving duo has repeated top 12 season over season.
13:42Last year, it was close between chase and T Higgins.
13:45They both finished top 13 in PPR points per game.
13:48It's rare. So how do you, how do you split that?
13:52Well, you could look at the stat that you gave Adam, but I don't know how much of that is, is fair.
13:59I don't know how CD lamb performed in those games before Quinn and Williams got there.
14:04And I know that the Dallas team operated differently.
14:06Once Quinn and Williams got there, there were three games in 2025 were both lamb and Pickens each had over 15 PPR points.
14:13There was another two where they had 13 plus, which means there were eight games or one of them did not have 13 plus PPR points.
14:21And it was usually your guy, Mr. Efficiency, George Pickens, which is why I feel like lamb is the better pick, the safer pick.
14:29The targets per game definitely favored lamb. I'm going to go with lamb.
14:33And I just want to be clear. I'm playing devil's advocate doesn't mean I believe all these things.
14:38I would also take lamb over Pickens, but Pickens.
14:41Um, Pickens, the main reason Pickens was better than lamb from week seven through 17 was what Dave already mentioned.
14:47Lamb just didn't catch enough touchdowns. Uh, if I can get the total.
14:51Weeks, I think Pickens was pretty low on touchdowns in that stretch too.
14:55Wasn't he? Yeah. I mean, Dax touchdown rate wasn't as high as it, as it could be.
15:01Dak Prescott, Jamie and I, we talked about this on the network show on Friday with Dan.
15:06Dak Prescott was on pace for almost 4,900 yards.
15:09I know we're not talking about Dak here, but in that stretch, he was on pace for almost 4,900 yards.
15:15The reason why he wasn't like a league winner basically is, uh, he didn't throw that, that many touchdowns, but if he
15:21can get the touchdown rate back up close to 6%, he could certainly be a top five quarterback.
15:27Um, all right. I'm going to let Heath talk about why he's drafting George Pickens, but we do have to take a quick break here.
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19:55Back to players that we keep drafting. Heath, George Pickens.
19:59Yes. And I want to say, I agree with Dave drafting a lot of C.D.
20:03Lamb, the last three or four picks of round one.
20:06And I draft George Pickens in round two. So I am expecting them to repeat.
20:11I expect these two to dominate targets. I have them projected if they both play 17 games for a total of 300 targets, which sounds insane.
20:19But Brian Schottenheimer has been in Dallas for three years.
20:22They've averaged 618 pass attempts per season. They've been top 10 in pass attempts all three of those years.
20:28And the last two years, the defense has been awful.
20:31I get it. But in 2023, Schottenheimer's first year as an offensive coordinator in Dallas, they had a top five defense in both yards and points allowed.
20:39They were third in passing yards and first in passing touchdowns that season.
20:43I love this is going to be one of the most pass heavy offenses in the NFL.
20:48C.D. Lamb's awesome. George Pickens is awesome. Dak Prescott is off.
20:52Awesome. This is just draft them all. I'm so glad you brought that up because we've gotten that question a lot about
20:59their improved defense and Cincinnati's improved defense. And first of all, you're talking about two of the worst defenses in the NFL.
21:05Like they're not going to be top 10. I don't think this year.
21:09But yes, they both teams have a history, especially the Cowboys, of having great.
21:14Well, the Cowboys had great defenses, as he just said, and they still threw a lot.
21:19The Bengals in Burroughs tenure, they've had two good defenses.
21:22One time they didn't throw that much. One time they did throw a lot and went, I believe they went to the Super Bowl that year.
21:30The Pickens was the other guy that I was going to argue with you about.
21:34I guess the only thing is like, let's see, if you look at it really kind of stole your thunder that you
21:41use George Pickens to argue against CeeD Lamb. I know.
21:44You had to try to argue against George Pickens.
21:47If you look at the top 10 wide receivers on a per game basis in PPR, all of them had a target
21:54per out run rate of 25.8% except Pickens. His target per out run rate was 22.6%.
21:59It was more like 24%, you know, if you remove weeks one and two when he wasn't really that involved.
22:05Um, what did I, what was, uh, George Pickens in the last five seasons, George Pickens has the low, the second lowest
22:12target per out run rate of any wide receiver to finish top 10 in PPR points per game.
22:17That's kind of interesting, but I don't think it matters because he'll run so many routes and his target per out run rate was higher.
22:25You know, after, after a slow start to this season, those first two games, it moved up.
22:30I don't have an argument. Okay. Jamie, I have just two things.
22:34I'm curious to see. First off is the hype that Ryan Flannoy got early in camp.
22:39Does he throw a little bit of a wrench into the targets these guys are going to get?
22:44And then Jake Ferguson, is he going away? He's not going away in the red zone.
22:49That's the problem. Did Jamie just go away when he asked me?
22:53Wow. He just Mike dropped there and left. I mean, there's no better Mike.
22:57Now we heard John Ferguson too. You, you, you literally said, and it's Jake Ferguson going away.
23:02And then you went away. Uh, well done. What do you think he's, um, I, I think they're going to throw enough
23:09to where like, I have Jake Ferguson projected for 98 targets.
23:12There's still 92 targets left for a wide receiver.
23:15I just, I think that this team throws the ball and maybe that maybe this will be the year that they, that changes.
23:22Um, but it's not just like a super high pass rate.
23:26They've run more than 1100 plays each of the three season that Schuttenheimer has been there.
23:31And so that's a, I mean, that's just, that's four more plays per game that everybody's running.
23:36So I just think that, yeah, Jake Ferguson's probably going to be a borderline tight end one, um, that I think is
23:43being drafted too high, but he probably will be.
23:45I don't think they'll throw to their running backs as much as most teams, because why would you, when you have CD
23:52lamb and George Pickens and Javante Williams was like the worst pass catching running back in the NFL history last year.
23:59Yeah. Okay. Let's, uh, go to Jamie's next round here.
24:02Must draft player or player. You keep drafting pick one.
24:05Oh, let's see. The other argument I had was swift real.
24:08I mean, it's a quick argument. The last 11 games of the year when Kyle Mononga started getting involved, he averaged 13
24:15swift average 13.9 PPR fantasy points per game over a full season.
24:19That would have made him RB 18 per game.
24:21Uh, this does not count week nine, by the way, which, which swift missed.
24:26Uh, so yeah, I mean, is he going to be better than that?
24:30I mean, Mononga is not out for the year.
24:33Mononga might be ready for week one. I don't know if he's been pushed up so far, uh, in draft that it's
24:39become a little difficult to draft swift. Most of the shares I have of swift, I got in rounds four and in some cases around five.
24:47Um, but I still think the fact that they've just been raving about him.
24:52I think they said he's had the best camp of anybody on the team.
24:56Um, and Mononga is out for however long when I'm guys out probably going to be a little bit of a ramp up period.
25:03Until Mononga is back in maybe the same type of workload that we saw from him last year, but he's always been
25:10sort of criminally underrated in how he's finished and how he's performed.
25:14And even last year, um, in some cases, I think you've mentioned that he's been, he was better when Mononga was involved
25:21in the second half of the season or his workload didn't really change in the second half of the season.
25:27So I think there's just a good running back on a very good offense that has his competition, maybe not there for
25:33however long of a time that Mononga is not there.
25:37So to go back to Heath's point, like, I don't think he's elite because otherwise we'd be drafting him in the first two rounds.
25:44But I think when you get to that second group of guys, which starts really with Jacobs, I guess.
25:50Uh, so Jacobs, Kyron Williams, that group, like he's right in the mix.
25:54He should be in the mix. He's, you know, at this point I'm taking him ahead of Jeremiah Love.
26:00I don't know if that's going to be the case reflective of ADP, especially now that we saw Love carrying pizzas upstairs.
26:06Um, but, uh, you have, you know, that group of guys behind him or initially, and, and, you know, I'll, I'll, you know, full disclosure.
26:14Like I thought this is going to be a better year for Scadaboo than Swift for Judkins than Swift.
26:20And that's been a, you know, rapid change based on everything that we've seen, um, happened a while ago, but it's, you
26:27know, certainly something worth noting that, you know, I thought those guys had a better, better outlook than them because of Mononga.
26:34And then when Mononga got hurt, it was just easy to put Swift ahead of them.
26:38And then all you're just hearing is great things about Swift.
26:42I guess this kind of goes back to what I was talking about with Heath earlier.
26:47When do you, do you fear that maybe you could be overreacting to preseason injuries to Mononga and love putting Deandre Swift
26:54ahead of Jeremiah Love where they probably weren't even really close, uh, a month ago.
26:58No, but you have injury for one and backfield mate injured for the other, but look at him carry the pizzas.
27:05He looks great. It was great. He was, you know, no limp.
27:08Yeah. All good. I look, if, if Jeremiah Love hits, the ceiling is higher.
27:13You know, we saw this with a high profile rookie on a bad team last year with Ashton Gentry that he was RB 16, you know?
27:21So I think that's kind of the range of outcomes for Deandre Swift going into it right now.
27:26And if Mononga misses more time, you know, we've said this about, oh, when you draft Blake Corum, what if Karen Williams misses?
27:33If you draft Mononga, what if Swift was as well?
27:36When the backup misses, you know, the better player might be actually amazing.
27:40And so Deandre Swift, if he has a stretch of games without Mononga, which could be the start of the season, that's probably a top 10 running back.
27:49Yeah. Yeah. I do think it's just kind of a couple of things.
27:53Like one, I've had Swift and Love very, very close for most of the summer, just because I've expected Algier to have
28:00a bigger role than we expect than we hope he does early in the year.
28:04But the other thing is, I feel like you're just, we're drafting Swift where he's probably going to finish unless Mononga misses
28:11time and then he's going to smash. All right, Dave, last round here for you of your second player that you are drafting.
28:18Why are you saying round? Who the hell do you keep drafting, Dave?
28:22That's what I want to hear. Yeah. Let's stick in Chicago and talk about Colson Loveland, who I've been gravitating toward with a late third round pick.
28:31And therefore, I've got some teams that have CeeDee Lamb and Colson Loveland on him because they're both late in those first couple of odd rounds.
28:39You take out those first eight games when he was working his way back from an injury and learning the offense.
28:45And Loveland averaged nearly 12 PPR points per game, over seven non-PPR points per game, was getting 7.3 targets per game.
28:51That's six games from week 10 through 13 and in the playoffs.
28:55And that's probably a fair expectation for Loveland because Burden was on the field, Odunze was on the field.
29:01That's who he's going to be sharing with this year.
29:04That might be the floor because we know that his last four games of the year, he had at least 10 targets in every game.
29:12He had 20 PPR points, 13 non-PPR points. He actually averaged 12 targets per game.
29:16Odunze missed two of those four games. I just think that he's going to have a great chance to be the target leader in Chicago.
29:24There aren't a lot of tight ends that can do this.
29:27We think that Bowers is going to do that in Las Vegas.
29:31Yeah, I think that's pretty safe. I still think McBride can be that guy in Arizona, and I think Loveland can be that guy in Chicago.
29:39And he's way more of a matchup nightmare than an inline blocker or any of that other stuff that tight ends do.
29:46I expect him to be a humongous part of the Chicago offense.
29:50Their schedule at the beginning of the year, Carolina in week one, Minnesota in week two, Philly in week three, Jets in week four.
29:57That group of four kind of scares me a little bit more for Swift than it does for Loveland.
30:03And I think we could see Loveland come down with some huge games then and just carry it all season long.
30:09Okay, sounds good. So let's see if I can remember here.
30:13For Heath, it was Sam Laporta and George Pickens.
30:15For Dave, it was CeeDee Lamb and Colson Loveland.
30:18Jamie was Justin Herbert and DeAndre Swift. And we have many, many more names to give you.
30:23But let's go through the news and notes. Ashton Gentty is on the mend, according to Raiders head coach Clint Kubiak.
30:30Ken Walker mispracticed with a foot issue. Jamie, I know Ken Walker is also on players you keep drafting list.
30:36Any concerns here about Kenneth Walker? No. Okay. Seems like it was just a maintenance day.
30:41Frank Reich called Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall bell cows, Heath.
30:44What did you make of that? I think we already expected Garrett Wilson to be the bell cow in that offense in terms of wide receivers.
30:52Though I've never heard that phrase used for a wide receiver.
30:56But it's fine. That was kind of the expectation.
30:59Listen, what's the nice way to say it? It would only make sense for Brees Hall to be that.
31:04This is a team that's going to need to score some points.
31:08He's their best running back by far. He's their best pass-catching running back by far.
31:13And if he's healthy, he may turn out that kind of like I think with Luther Burden, the injury just gave you a great discount on Brees Hall.
31:21Yeah. I think after this comment yesterday, thinking about what Dave has always used as the argument against Brees Hall, which is
31:28accurate in that Frank Reich has always used multiple running backs.
31:32And Frank Reich has been fired everywhere he's been for multiple reasons.
31:35This could be one of them that he hasn't featured his best players enough.
31:40Like, use your best guys. I don't know. That's just crazy.
31:43I love the sound of that. I wish he'd listened to you.
31:47And the Jets staff last year basically listened. And they gave Brees Hall 17.4 touches a game.
31:52That's pretty close to bell cow work if you ask me.
31:55And he still averaged 13. But everything is upgraded.
31:58To whatever degree you want to say upgraded, it's upgraded.
32:01Yeah. I hope so. Yeah, I was going to say that.
32:04I mean, he was a bell cow last year, and he was RB 21 per game.
32:09Because bell cow for the Jets last year was 258 carries and 38 catches.
32:14That was a 17-game pace. Hall missed one game.
32:16They just didn't run enough plays. They've been bottom three in goal line carries three straight years.
32:22It can't get any worse. Right? Like, that's the thing.
32:25It can't get any worse. He was RB 21 per game.
32:28So if you're drafting a coach. Sure, again, he has a groin injury.
32:32Well, it doesn't really seem like he has a serious groin injury here.
32:36Not yet. But if he's healthy, I don't know how he finishes worse than RB 21, you know?
32:42It seems like that was his four. Where is he being drafted right now?
32:46He's not being drafted anywhere near RB 21. Right behind Swift, isn't he?
32:50I think he's RB 20. Yeah, I thought he was 19 last time I checked.
32:55So that's 19. Yeah. I think that's perfectly fair value for what we're talking about right now.
33:00He was getting drafted a lot higher before the injury, but now you're getting a discount on what could be a great player.
33:07I see RB. He and Travis. Fantasy. He and Travis HN are two ships passing in the night.
33:13They are. Next time you blink, HN will be ahead and all will be 20.
33:17Now you got me thinking about how often I blink.
33:20Jamar Chase hyper extended his knee. Oh, that was scary.
33:23Is he still the third overall pick for you guys?
33:26Jamar Chase? He's fine. Yes. Yeah. Okay, cool. Sam Laporta is back.
33:30Mike Evans mispracticed with a groin injury. They're still downplaying it.
33:33But is anybody downgrading Mike Evans yet? I can't because I was already so low.
33:38But where do you have him? Like round seven.
33:41Yeah, I've got him at the end of round six.
33:44Okay. He's fallen from round five to round six for me.
33:47Yeah. Yeah. Brian Thomas Jr. got hurt. How do you feel about Mike Evans?
33:52Yeah, downgrading. Downgrading Evans. Like, you know it's bad when you'd rather draft from Andre Stevenson.
33:57Well, I think that's selling from Andre Stevenson a little short.
34:00But no, I wouldn't rather draft from Andre. I'd still rather have Mike Evans.
34:04Oh, okay. The question is, I just don't know if I want Parker Washington and Christian Watson and Jameis and Williams ahead of Mike Evans.
34:12I do. The answer is yes. Yeah, I know for you guys, but I've always been like super high on Mike Evans.
34:19Yeah, well, let's change. If Frank Wright can change, then you can change too, Adam.
34:23Everybody can change. But yeah, I still think he's got really good sort of sleeper appeal at late round six.
34:29I think if he's healthy, he's going to be really good.
34:33That's where I come out on it. That's a big if.
34:36It's already two injuries this training camp. Yeah. Chris Olave left practice, got the wind knocked out of him.
34:42He should be fine. Travion Henderson not back at practice yet.
34:45He slipped the other day. Alec Pierce is expected to practice next week.
34:49Did you guys move Alec Pierce up on the news?
34:53No. No. Have you just left that in your notes for all of training camp?
34:57Because he has been expected to practice next week.
35:00Like, did you see? Listen, we make too much of these things sometimes.
35:04But we talked about the Jeremiah Love walking with the pizza.
35:07Did you guys see the video of Alec Pierce walking from behind on the field?
35:12Weird, right? Did. Yes. His legs do not look the same size.
35:16He did not look like he was walking like with a normal gait.
35:20I'm very concerned. Okay. We've got Nate Atkins of The Athletic saying that Devontae Adams was great in joint practices against the Cowboys and the Saints.
35:28He was virtually uncoverable. That's Devontae Adams. That's good.
35:30How long has Puka been out for? It's been like two weeks already with the groin, right?
35:36Yeah, he's been out. I believe two weeks is close.
35:39Yeah. Yeah. I'm starting to get interested in Devontae again.
35:42Was that sloth from the Goonies? No, that was Sylvester Stallone from Rocky IV.
35:46Everybody can. If I can change. Imagine sloth going.
35:49We can change. Yeah. It's kind of sad that my Sylvester Stallone sounds a little bit too much like sloth.
35:55Anyway, Ian Rappaport says the Falcons quarterback job is basically Michael Penix's for the taking and the Falcons still haven't named a starter.
36:02Rams edge rusher Miles Garrett remains out with a knee issue.
36:06A couple of teams that might, you know, maybe, you know what we need to do is an offensive line episode.
36:12We need to do that. But two teams that need some help.
36:16The Commanders signed offensive tackle DJ Humphreys. The Chiefs acquired offensive lineman Joshua Izudu from the Giants for a seventh round pick in 2028.
36:23I don't think these are going to really move the needle for those teams, but it's just a reminder that like the
36:30Chiefs are struggling at right tackle right now. And the Commanders obviously could be struggling on their offensive line without Tunsil.
36:36Giants wide receiver Calvin Austin sustained a potentially serious knee injury.
36:40It's a torn ACL. That stinks. Yeah. Rookie tight ends Eli Stowers for the Eagles.
36:44Oscar Delt for the Saints. They have hamstring injuries.
36:47And Jets rookie tight end Kenyon Sadiq is going to have his workload scaled back early in the season.
36:53He's missed all of camp with an injury. Hopefully plays week one, but won't have a full role.
36:58All right, we can get back to players. We keep on drafting and Heath gave us Laporta and Pickens.
37:04You've got three other players. One of them is DeAndre Swift.
37:08Let me ask you with Rasheed Rice. I talked about this with Jamie, I think last week, but it's like based on
37:14what he's done, I don't get how he's a late second round pick or third round pick.
37:20He should be a late first round pick based on what he's done.
37:24Why do you think there's such value in Rasheed Rice?
37:27Well, I think some of it is the knucklehead factor.
37:30Some of it is the people are just worried that he's going to do something else that he shouldn't do.
37:36Some of it is the video of him running a deep post where he looked kind of like Alec Pierce, except he was trying to run.
37:44And then some of it is Kenneth Walker and fear that all these screens they're throwing to him are going to take away from Rasheed Rice's target share.
37:53I thought there was a pretty good quote from Eric Biennemi came out yesterday or the day before talking about how he
37:59thinks that Rice can be even better. Sounded pretty optimistic.
38:03I don't see anybody in this receiving core that's going to cut into his target share.
38:07And the thing that I love about drafting him where you can is that we can take a 10-15% hit in target
38:14share, which would be maybe 20 targets off the top and give those to Kenneth Walker.
38:19And he's still a good pick late in round two, early in round three.
38:23So, Nico Collins, George Pickens, Rasheed Rice. How do you rank them?
38:27Heath, Dave, Jamie. Go ahead. Nico Pickens. Pickens, Rice, Nico.
38:30Collins, Pickens, Rice. Collins, Rice, Pickens. It's a tough call.
38:33It's a tough call that people are going to have to make.
38:37Those are great picks at the 2-3 turn. How about Bowers?
38:40Do you take Bowers ahead of all those guys?
38:43I've got Bowers ahead of Pickens and Rice. I do not.
38:47I have Bowers ahead of Pickens and Rice. It really depends, too.
38:50I just took Bowers ahead of – No, I think maybe ahead of Nico in the FFT Open.
38:56Rice went right before me at the 2-3 turn, and then I took Pickens and Bowers.
39:01But it's a two-wide receiver league, and I'm playing against 431 other teams.
39:05And so I wanted the upside of have Brock Bowers on my team, and hopefully I can find a great wide receiver, too, later.
39:12All right, give me 30 seconds on Brock Purdy, and then we'll take a break, and we'll get to Jamie and Dave's list.
39:19Have I said this 17 times yet this year?
39:22Through Week 17 last year, Brock Purdy was the number one quarterback on a per-game basis.
39:27Over the last three seasons, Brock Purdy is the QB4 on a per-game basis.
39:31Listen, there's lots of question marks about his receiving weapons.
39:34I can't imagine it's going to be worse than it was last year, and he was awesome.
39:39And he's even talking about how – I think Purdy is one of those guys that if you look at what he's
39:46done as a rusher over the last couple of years, which over the last two seasons, his 17-game pace for rushing is like 360 yards and five-and-a-half touchdowns.
39:55And it seems like, yeah, but you probably can't count on that.
39:59And the only thing I've heard about Brock Purdy rushing was Purdy himself talking about how he wants to do more with his legs this year.
40:07Yeah. All right. You have taken Brock Purdy, and we'll look at just NFC draft position over the last five days.
40:13Brock Purdy is QB12 in between Matthew Stafford and Jared Goff.
40:16He's QB8 for me, and he's closer to Dak at QB7 than he is to the other guys.
40:22All right, we're going to take a break. We got a lot more guys to get to here on the players we keep on drafting list.
40:30We'll be right back. Okay, we're back with Jamie's list.
40:33Jamie's already given us Justin Herbert and DeAndre Swift.
40:36A lot more names on the list if you want to just fire through them.
40:40Ready? Trevor Lawrence. I mean, it's hard to avoid the rapid rise that I've seen in ADP, which is a little frustrating
40:47because he was such a good price for what the upside could be.
40:51So now I think on our site, he's up to QB7 or 8.
40:55Just very, very rapid rise. But it makes sense.
40:58You see what he could be coming off of last year, over 30 fantasy points per game to close the season, including the playoffs.
41:05The run game could be a little suspect, clearly, with the loss of Travis Achan.
41:10I feel like when we talk about it in past tense, we have to say Etienne, but Travis Achan.
41:16And here's these receivers that may be the best group of receivers that he's ever played with, if Travis Hunter is going to do anything significant.
41:24So I just think that this is one of the better breakout quarterbacks for the season.
41:29Again, you got the little portion of it last year, and we've seen that snippets from him over the course of his career.
41:36I just hope we can put it together. So Liam Cohn's gotten great production from the last two quarterbacks that he's worked
41:43with, Baker Mayfield 2024, Trevor Lawrence 2025. Big influence on the rushing production for both of those quarterbacks.
41:48I don't think we're getting nine rushing touchdowns again from Lawrence, but as I think we talked about on Fantasy Football to
41:55Express, I think you can get 400 yards and maybe three to five touchdowns from him on the ground, and I think
42:02that's going to boost his numbers significantly. So right now ADP has Caleb Williams as QB8, Trevor Lawrence QB9, Justin Herbert QB10.
42:08That's CBS ADP. How would you rank them? Caleb, Lawrence, and Herbert, and they're all within about 14 picks of each other.
42:15Herbert, Lawrence, Caleb. Dave? Double checking, I've got Herbert, Lawrence, Caleb Williams, all top 10.
42:20You want me to do it as well? Oh, yeah.
42:23Purdy, Lawrence, Herbert, Caleb. Okay. Let's go to some more.
42:26Ken Walker. I don't know if there's much else you want to say about Ken Walker, but I'll just ask you now.
42:33We got Hampton, Kenneth Walker, Barkley, Henry, Jamie. How do you rank?
42:37Oh, and let's throw HN in there. So Hampton, Walker, Barkley, HN, Henry.
42:41How do you rank them? Walker, Hampton, HN, Barkley, Gentie.
42:44Henry? Barkley, Henry, Gentie. Is there anything for you guys when you're deciding between those running backs?
42:49Chase Brown and James Cook and Taylor and McCaffrey are off the board, and you're deciding between those, call them early round two running backs.
42:57Hampton, Walker, Henry, Barkley, HN, Gentie. Is there one deciding factor that makes Jamie, you take Walker first?
43:02Dave, I don't know who you take first, Heath, et cetera.
43:05But Jamie, you can start. What's the one deciding factor for Walker?
43:09I think just getting the opportunity to be the featured guy, because when he's been the featured guy in his career, he's been pretty awesome.
43:17And now he gets that chance. We saw it in the playoffs when Charbonnet was not there.
43:22Scored more points per game in that four-game stretch when you factor in the divisional round through the Super Bowl than Christian
43:29McCaffrey did for the season, points per game-wise. So, like, I'm terrified of the Dolphins' offense, which is why I take him over HN.
43:36The other report we got yesterday, it just gets worse by the day.
43:40What was that? It was Omar Kelly and then another one of their – maybe it was the day before, but Omar Kelly and then Joe Shad.
43:49When Malik Willis brought the team together in the middle of the field and just said, guys, we've got to do something better, basically.
43:56Like, if they're not producing against their own defense, which is not going to be good, like, it's going to be a struggle.
44:03So I don't care how many times HN's going to touch the ball, he's not going to score a lot of touchdowns.
44:10And I'm just terrified of the entire process of where he's getting drafted.
44:14So I'd much rather take the guy on the Chiefs that Andy Reid's had a lot of success with his backfields when he's had good running backs.
44:22Hampton, I think, you know, we'll see what this Keaton Mitchell injury is and the timeshare that that could still unfold.
44:29Forget about what Mike McDaniel said, they're going to use a couple of guys there.
44:33So I like Walker's situation a little bit better.
44:36Henry is obviously such a wild card here, but their offensive line just got worse.
44:41And, you know, no fullback. We'll see how that goes.
44:44So it's just more nitpicking there. And Barkley, I think just coming off the year that he had, he'll be better.
44:50But I think Walker's trajectory for me is a little bit safer.
44:54So that's why I lean Walker the highest. Take Walker the highest.
44:58Dave, your favorite in that group of five and why?
45:01A-chan. Jamie talked about you want a guy that's going to have a feature workload.
45:05A-chan's had it the past two seasons. The worst he's been is 17.6 full PPR points per game.
45:11That's better than any year Kenneth Walker's had. And granted, Walker is going to get a great opportunity in Kansas City.
45:17But the thing that I keep going back to, two of them with Walker.
45:22And I've moved him up. I'm taking him now as a top 15 pick.
45:26Number one, we know that he's a little injury prone.
45:29Seahawks were afraid of it. That's why they didn't run him out there all the time until the end of the year
45:36when they knew that they were going to let him go into free agency.
45:40And he's already dealing with a foot injury now.
45:43It's minor. That's fine. Two, Patrick Mahomes is still the quarterback of this team.
45:47And from all accounts who have gone to Kansas City's camp, he looks the same as he did before.
45:53And that there are no lingering effects of the ACL.
45:56And push comes to shove. I still think Mahomes is going to do his thing in the offense.
46:02And Walker will be, I say next in line.
46:04And I don't necessarily mean that as a bad thing.
46:07Obviously, they're going to want to run the ball more.
46:10And Walker gives them the chance to be more effective.
46:14And I think Walker will be good. But I'm just a little bit worried about Walker having that offensive player of the year type season.
46:21Because I'm not sure if he can play enough games to earn that award.
46:26Because I'm not sure he's going to get the ball in the high leverage situations that we want him to every single time.
46:33Whereas A-chan, yes, he's going to get the ball a lot.
46:36I am more convinced than ever that he's also going to catch plenty of passes.
46:41Saw it in the joint practice against the Giants.
46:43He had a couple of checkdowns. He had three design targets in the game.
46:48I think that we're going to see him be a big, big part of what they do.
46:53And that was an in, I can't say an in-game adjustment, an in-practice adjustment.
46:57Because that Giants pass rush was getting to Malik Willis really quickly.
47:01So that encouraged me. And I don't think he's going to be as good as he was last year, Devon A-chan.
47:07I don't think he's going to be 20 points per game.
47:11But I bet he gets to 17. And I think that that's going to be better than Kenneth Walker.
47:17And so A-chan is at the top of the list for me.
47:20I love the case for Hampton. He's ahead of Walker too.
47:24My top three from that list. A-chan, Hampton, Walker.
47:27Back to back to back. End of round one.
47:29Beginning of round two. Okay. Heath? A-chan, Walker, Hampton.
47:32Everything Dave said about A-chan. Cool. Jamie also likes Jordan Mason.
47:35I think I took him 80th overall, Jamie, in the FFT Open.
47:39Is that too early for Jordan Mason? He's kind of getting to that point where it's a little too soon.
47:45But that's kind of where I think you see a little bit of a tear break in the running backs.
47:51So once you get past the Patriots guys, the Steelers guys, he's in the mix for me with Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt and the
47:58Broncos guys and start to get into that group of ugh.
48:02I think for Mason, you know, the reports and the preseason action don't mesh so far.
48:07So it's really what do you believe? Because everything you hear out of Minnesota is Mason is their running downs guy.
48:13Then we get to the – I don't think they both – I don't think they played in the second preseason game.
48:20But the first preseason game, you get Mason and Jones sort of alternating drives here.
48:24Yeah. So that's a little bit tough to buy that Mason should be going so far ahead of Jones or even ahead of Jones to begin with.
48:33Because if he's going to share rushing downs work, he's definitely going to have passing downs work because that's not what Mason does.
48:40He's got 28 catches in his career. So, you know, David brought this up.
48:44You know, they've implemented a different rushing scheme to favor Mason or that caters more to what Mason does.
48:50I don't know what they did just for Mason.
48:53Caters more to what Mason has had success in when you go back to his days in San Francisco.
48:59But if you just look at it, he's the younger running back.
49:02He averages five yards per carry for his career, 4.8 yards per carry during his time with Minnesota.
49:08This is a much more explosive rusher at this point than Aaron Jones.
49:12And then you factor in Jones' durability where he missed time last year and fought through a bunch of injuries the year before.
49:19Plus, he's going to be 33. So, I just think when you're looking at it, if you want a safe borderline flex, good backup running back.
49:27Maybe if things break right because he did average over 13 PPR points per game in the five-game Jones missed last year.
49:34That's the type of player you're talking about. So, not to the same heights of like a Blake Corum who should go
49:40ahead of him or Monongai when he's right. If you're just looking for, okay, who has higher potential if the starter gets hurt.
49:48But if you're looking for like a safe type of RB4, really, I think Jordan Mason qualifies.
49:53Packers, Bears, Bucs, Dolphins, Saints. First five games of the year for Minnesota.
49:57I think that's a great platform for Mason to take off.
50:00I agree with Jamie on the Aaron Jones thing.
50:03There's something that's not connecting here because I thought Jones looked pretty good in the preseason.
50:08But I would imagine that the Vikings will kind of treat the veteran with kid gloves and not use them a ton.
50:15And the Mason, I love the idea of getting him in that round eight range as a running back that you can
50:21start the season with in your lineup. But we all agree that 80 is too early, right?
50:2780 is too early. Well, that's the thing. It's like, like I said yesterday, 80 is too early in theory.
50:33But the way the draft was going, Jordan Mason was one of the last potential starting running backs.
50:38Like I consider him differently than I consider Kenneth Gainwell and Rashad White.
50:42You should. Those are the guys who were going after.
50:45Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt also went after him. And I think they're pretty similar.
50:49But Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt went like seven picks after him.
50:52So it wasn't realistic to get a starting running back in the hundreds.
50:56Of course, I think Jordan Mason. Yeah. I'm sorry.
50:59I didn't mean to interrupt. But you did. This is the podcast league draft?
51:03No, this was the FFT. My FFT openly. Okay.
51:06I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was going to say the podcast league.
51:09How many. So how many running backs did you have when you made that?
51:14So you only had one? I think he was my third.
51:17Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's really like when you start to compare him and, and, and several of the guys that, you know, were mentioned, including Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt.
51:25Like when you start to compare him to Wondale Robinson and Quinton Johnston and Cortland Sutton and those type of receivers that
51:32does it make sense to take your third or fourth running back versus your fourth or fifth receiver.
51:38And where does the upside lie with those players?
51:41I absolutely, that's a great point and a great question.
51:44And I absolutely think you, not in every case, but I lean running back there because I know receiver, there's like 30
51:50more receivers than including the Jalen Coker and Jaden Reed.
51:53Right. So that's, that's, that's the perfect way to frame it.
51:57Like, do you want to have Jordan Mason and Deshaun Stribbling, for example, or Jordan Mason and Jalen Coker, or do you
52:04want to have Wondale Robinson and RJ Harvey? Yeah.
52:06Yeah. Whatever it is. I mean, I think we've all talked about how you get to rounds nine, 10, 11, maybe not 11, but eight, nine, 10.
52:15And you're still looking at some wide receivers like, oh, I'm happy to get this guy here.
52:20And I think it dries up at running back pretty early.
52:23You know, 80, I don't know. Like ADP tells a different story.
52:27What happened in the draft, the FFT open draft made me take Jordan Mason because I didn't want to be without a reliable number three.
52:35You can't, you can't really rely strictly on ADP because now we're starting to see kickers and defenses get pushed up to
52:41levels that the casual drafters take that most seasoned fantasy players do not.
52:45Yeah. That's why tears are so important at every position.
52:49All right. Uh, let's wrap up Jamie here. You just got Coker, Coker and Jaden Reed late Isaiah likely and Travis Kelsey, but running out of time.
52:57So I'm just going to ask you about, well, real quick on likely and Kelsey, how much earlier do you take likely than Kelsey?
53:04Uh, maybe two rounds. You know, I, I think, you know, once you start to get to that group of the middle,
53:11the middle group of tight ends, which I think still ends with fan and I would take likely over fan and, but that ends with fan.
53:19And so when I see fan and come off the board and I don't have a tight end at that point, that's
53:26when I start to look for likely. If I miss likely it's usually, uh, Kelsey's the fallback option.
53:31So with two wide receivers that could go in round three, Devante Smith and T Higgins, they're on the players you keep drafting list.
53:39Do you ever take both of them or is this a decision you have to make Devante Smith, T Higgins?
53:45Higgins falls much more often than Smith does, you know, and I think we'll start to see Smith rise a couple of
53:52spots now that he's back at practice and there's no legitimate concern, not that there was ever a concern, but no legitimate concern about his hamstring.
54:00So I was in a draft last night, 12 team PPR.
54:03I had the 11th pick. I got Smith at the end of round three.
54:07Um, I think Higgins might've went early around four.
54:10Um, so, you know, it, you see Higgins, I think much more in the round four early part of round four range.
54:17So Higgins is a late round three for mix for me.
54:20Smith is an early round three pick for me.
54:23Um, I just, whenever I see Higgins around four and I can draft him, I do it.
54:28Yep. He's basically been a top 16 wide receiver every year based on his points per game when Burrow and chase and
54:35Higgins have all been healthy, performs like a top 16 wide receiver, except for a terrible 2023 season.
54:41I believe that's it. Um, Higgins is awesome. All right, Dave, you said CD lamb.
54:45You said Colson Loveland. Jalen Waddle is the other guy I was going to disagree with you on just cause I, I just fear the targets.
54:53Like he had a 33 yard catch. I think it was, uh, in that preseason game.
54:58He looked great, but, but Sutton had two targets on that drive.
55:02Waddle had one, not to say it'll play out that way.
55:05And, um, and then Sutton's always a big factor in the end zone and Waddle really hasn't been.
55:11So I love all of your calls. Uh, and you've talked about Waddle a lot.
55:15This is the one that as a friend of Dave Richard, I get the most nervous about, uh, the way it will play out.
55:23And I'm not nervous at all. I think the Broncos had clear intention that they wanted to improve their receiving core and
55:30not lean on the corporation of, or I should say conglomerate of Sutton, Franklin, Mims, uh, Pat Bryant.
55:35I know Bryant's gotten some great pub and camp and he's looked good.
55:39They needed somebody like Jalen Waddle to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally line up anywhere.
55:44Catch short passes, make a play after the catch.
55:47Catch downfield passes, make a play after the catch.
55:50And we've seen it from Sean Payton before when he's got that dude at wide receiver, he hyper targets him.
55:56It was Michael Thomas many moons ago in new Orleans, Marcus Colston before that.
56:00He hasn't quite had that guy in Denver, but two years ago, Corlin Sutton had a ton of targets then.
56:07And I don't really buy into the theory that targets are going to be spread all around.
56:12And I don't think the Broncos want to do that when it comes to Waddle because of the investment that they've made in him.
56:19I think he's outstanding. I love the way that he looked in the preseason game.
56:24The camp reports have been great too. People are worried about him missing time.
56:28He's played at least 14 games every year of his career.
56:31He is not shackled by Tyreek Hill and Devon Achan in a pop offense in Miami now.
56:37This is going to be a better version. Bo Nix also looks good.
56:41The offensive line is healthy. I'm actually hyped about this Broncos offense.
56:44And I think that their run game is the biggest question mark of all.
56:49And now here's somebody that can help take some pressure off that run game on short screens, those layup throws that we talk about, Adam.
56:56I think Jalen Waddle is going to be one of the best values on draft day.
57:01Love his ADP. I would take him a full round ahead of his ADP.
57:06So you'd take him. ADP is amazing. What is, let's see?
57:09Round five. Yeah. I mean, I think I have him as like a round three pick because I'm insane.
57:15He's like a round three, four pick for me.
57:18So I'm getting him in pretty much every draft I'm in because I'm taking him higher than anyone else on the planet.
57:24Like Jalen Waddle's mom isn't taking him as high as I'm taking him at this point.
57:29Someone asked in the chat, Dave, Waddle or Garrett Wilson?
57:32I have Wilson in full PPR one spot ahead of Waddle.
57:36Okay. Okay. And more players? I mean, he's a bell cow receiver after all, Garrett Wilson.
57:41I'm curious why you think their run game is going to be bad though.
57:45Because I just, I don't think, I don't think they've got a guy that they really want to put the whole workload on.
57:52And so they're going to use a rotation of three and they'll be effective, but I don't know if that necessarily means that they're going to be good.
58:01And I think it'll take them a few weeks to get comfortable with the idea of Jonah Coleman getting some work.
58:07We'll see if J.K. Dobbins can hold up and be better than he was last year.
58:12R.J. Harvey is a runner, really wasn't great last year, hasn't been great so far this year.
58:17He's more of a pass catcher. I think that I feel a lot better about Bo Nix throwing than I do about Bo Nix handing off.
58:25I wonder if Sean Payton feels that way though.
58:28I don't think Dave said the running game would be bad.
58:32I think he said it's the biggest question mark.
58:34It's the biggest question mark. But it could be bad too.
58:38I mean, especially, I'll say if J.K. Dobbins misses time.
58:41Because I love Jonah Coleman. He's one of the guys on my list too.
58:45Taking him in the double digit rounds every draft that I can.
58:49But I don't know if he's truly ready. I know Sean Payton is talking like Coleman is just ready.
58:55I'm not 100% sure that he is. And so there could be some lingering effects of the decisions that the Broncos have
59:01made with their run game over the last couple of seasons.
59:05You also have Isaiah Likely on the players you keep on drafting lists, just like Jamie.
59:10I moved him back ahead of Pitts in full PPR too after what I saw in the joint practice against the Dolphins.
59:16Do we think it's going to stay that way when Neighbors is back, which seems to be week one?
59:22Yeah, this is the – remember how Zach Ertz had this middle of the field role in Washington where he would just
59:29catch all these short throws whenever the number one read was covered?
59:33I think that's Likely's role with a little bit more on top.
59:36I think there's going to be some plays where Likely works downfield a little bit more often.
59:42He's got the athleticism to make plays after the catch.
59:45To me, it's the only part of the Giants offense that I'm confident in at this point as far as naming specific
59:52players because I'm really confused on the run game at this point.
59:55And I think Neighbors is going to be great.
59:58I'm drafting them like Neighbors is going to be great.
60:01But I can't say with 100% certainty that Neighbors will be great.
60:05I do think Likely will be very good and worth a round seven slash eight pick.
60:10I believe that's ahead of ADP. And his track record when he's had volume has been outstanding for fantasy.
60:16Starting to think he won't be 12.5 PPR points per game like he's been in eight of nine career games with at least six targets.
60:23But he can get to, let's call it 11.
60:26And that's really good value in the middle of the draft from a tight end that not everybody's going to gravitate toward.
60:33But they should. Heath, how are you doing over there?
60:36Oh, it's been good. Yeah. I'm going to let you introduce the Parker Washington portion of this show.
60:41Because this is someone that Dave says he keeps on drafting, Parker Washington.
60:45What questions did you have for Dave about Parker Washington?
60:49Oh, thanks. I did draft Parker Washington. I mentioned this in a draft a couple days ago.
60:54And Dave, I took him before Christian Watson and Marvin Harrison Jr.
60:57And Brian Thomas Jr., which I think everybody's taking ahead of Brian Thomas Jr.
61:02now. But taking him ahead of Watson and Harrison in particular really made me feel like I know I did this so
61:09I could have him on one of my teams.
61:11But I feel stupid. No, you just drafted a guy that might end up getting volume and the same type of role
61:18that we've seen from Amon Ross St. Brown. And that's exciting.
61:21And seeing him in person and watching him leap over two bucks defenders for a touchdown in red zone drills from Trevor Lawrence was exciting.
61:29Watching him leap and do the exact same thing on the other sideline, not for a touchdown, but for a first down in drills.
61:37That was exciting. And he's working all areas of the field.
61:40He's willing to run over the middle. Definitely a ton of horizontal routes, just like what we've seen from St.
61:46Brown, JSN, that ilk of wide receiver. And I don't think there's any doubt that he's going to be the top target getter in Jacksonville.
61:54BTJ is awesome. Hopefully the shoulder is fine. Sounds like it's going to be okay.
61:58The team just shut him down in practice. And Liam Cohen said afterwards, yeah, we're just going to get him ready for Cleveland.
62:05And Parker Washington was still dominating. Clearly the number one guy.
62:09The Bucs knew it. And he was still doing very, very well.
62:13There was one play where he had a pass go off his hands.
62:17It was a bullet from Trevor Lawrence over the middle of the field.
62:21I'm going to forgive him for that one. Everything else that he did was pretty great.
62:25I am taking him over every single one of those wide receivers that you said in full PPR.
62:31In non-PPR, I might be a little squeamish about some of those names.
62:35Mainly Christian Watson, because I'm excited about him too.
62:38But I don't think Parker Washington is going away.
62:41Tack on the question mark of their run game.
62:43Tootin looked better than Rodriguez yesterday for what that's worth.
62:46And he seems to have a little more juice than Rodriguez.
62:50But they split pretty evenly in practice. And I just think that Washington is going to be locked into like seven targets per game.
62:57He averaged 6.3 per game overall last year. I had a draft last night where I took Washington in round six.
63:04And then in round eight, Thomas was still sitting there.
63:07I'm like, you know what? That's just too good of value.
63:10Yeah. Parker Washington, if he's good this year, like really good, it would be so improbable for a sixth round pick who,
63:17in the first 36 games of his career, three seasons, three and a half seasons, averaged 37 yards per game, was not
63:24on anyone's fantasy roster unless they had return yards, basically.
63:27And then he finishes the season really strong, including an amazing playoff game.
63:31Coaching. We just, yeah. I'm not ruling it out.
63:34It's just we've never seen, well, I wouldn't say never, but I can't remember anything like that with a day three pick, start their career that slow.
63:42That'd be cool. And the thing for me that helps me fully believe in Parker Washington is that I've seen him develop.
63:49And I remember the joint practice with the Dolphins last year, and he was close to making plays with Trevor Lawrence.
63:55And then by the middle of last season, he had the opportunity.
63:59Travers Hunter got hurt right before Hunter got hurt.
64:02It was supposed to be Hunter who was going to be the big play guy.
64:06And then that middle of the field guy for Jacksonville and Washington just took the role and ran with it.
64:12And he's been in simpatico with Trevor Lawrence ever since.
64:15Okay. Dave also has Patrick Mahomes, who is now going ahead of Jackson Dart and CBS ADP.
64:21He should be. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How about Purdy or Mahomes?
64:24I've got Mahomes ahead, but the most compelling thing I've heard from Heath this year has been the case for Brock Purdy.
64:31And it's really, really, you can buy into it very easily.
64:34Yeah. Absolutely. I really love it. And it helps that Stribbling has looked better than what the thought was on him before the draft.
64:42It's almost like the Niners, and the Niners have screwed up so many wide receiver picks before, but it looks like they
64:48finally got one that might end up being just right.
64:51And they've worked really hard to fast track Stribbling into the first team offense.
64:56And he will help Brock Purdy. At bare minimum, Purdy is a fantastic value on draft day.
65:01Oh, yeah. He is. so many of those quarterbacks are, but Holmes was like a top three quarterback for much of the year.
65:08Okay. Someone is the rushing though. That's the thing.
65:11He's not going to do that again. He's not going to do that again, but I bet push comes to shove.
65:17He, he will leave some pockets and start running and sliding.
65:21And, well, I mean, obviously he's still going to run, but you go back to there's, there's a pretty telltale example when
65:27he busted his knee on the goal line, tush, push, whatever they were calling it.
65:32And then they just stopped doing that because, Hey, let's not ruin our best asset.
65:37Right. You know, so now never done it again.
65:39Yep. That's fair. But that was multiple years ago.
65:42Yes. A year ago. Andy reads a smart guy.
65:45He realizes, let's not do that. Well, but we're not drafting Mahomes anywhere close to where he finished last year either.
65:51And it's not just because he's coming back from the ACL again.
65:55It sounds like he's over it. It's because Walker's there and Walker is absolutely good.
66:00Also the two years prior to that, he was a mediocre fantasy quarterback.
66:04Correct. He was, but last year is what I'm kind of leaning toward.
66:08I don't think he'll be, I don't think he's going to be as good as he was last year.
66:14That's going to be impossible, but I still think he's one of the top 12 quarterbacks in draft day.
66:19And the fact that I'm able, I've had him in like round 12 in some leagues and I don't even care.
66:26I've drafted Josh Allen and Mahomes on the same team.
66:29I'm just not going to let somebody else get that kind of value that late in the draft.
66:35I'm not reaching for him, but he's absolutely got potential to still be an awesome asset.
66:39And based on two drafts that I'm doing right now, one of them ended the most slow drafts.
66:45Jackson Dart would actually be on my list of players.
66:48I keep drafting. He's gone from a guy that I thought had one of the worst ADPs to like, nobody wants Jackson Dart anymore.
66:55And I'm willing to take a shot with, you know, my one of my last picks because he was so good last season without Malik neighbors.
67:03So let's see if I understand it's been a really bad camp for the giant giants offense.
67:09The same things were said about the bears offense last year with a new offensive coordinator.
67:14It's true. And all the Titans keep that in mind.
67:17Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So here's real quick. My list of players.
67:20I keep drafting Chris Godwin in a wide receiver, heavy draft.
67:24I will take Chris Godwin in round six. I like what Dave tweeted about Chris Godwin.
67:28What Baker Mayfield said about him. He's going to play in the slot.
67:32It's going to be really good for him. I will take him ahead of Marvin Harrison jr.
67:38If I want a safe player, I will take Godwin ahead of Brian Thomas jr.
67:42If I'm looking for more upside and I feel good at receiver, I'll take BTJ.
67:47He has been over Thomas. Fair enough. He's been a top 17 wide receiver per game five times in his career.
67:53He has been a top three receiver twice in his career.
67:57That's insane on a per game basis. Chris Godwin.
68:00I mean, now you love that 80 yard touchdown.
68:02No, I still, I'm, he needs to be, he needs to be a better player than he was last year.
68:08Cause he was really bad last year. He's in a role that's very familiar to him and Mayfield.
68:14I felt like they were on the same page.
68:17I thought Godwin also moved well in the joint practice against Jacksonville.
68:20I liked this call a lot. Adam Travis, a Chan is now a player that I keep on drafting.
68:26I think late round three is certainly in play.
68:29I don't want to overact, overreact too much because Alvin Kamara might not miss much time and Kamara might be the third
68:36down back, but a reminder, Travis, a Chan was the number 14 running back per game in full PPR a little bit better than that.
68:44And the other formats without being the third down back last year, he had 17.4 touches per game that ranked 16th among running backs.
68:51And he finished as a top 14 running back and he should be drafted around 15th or so overall.
68:57But I think he's got a lot of potential because he's clearly the best running back in the saints backfield.
69:03Zach Charbonnet is a player I've been drafting a lot.
69:06I don't know. I don't really think Zach Charbonnet could be a league winner, but if he gets back early in the
69:13season, first of all, I like putting him in an IR spot, freeing up a spot and just, you know, picking up somebody on waivers.
69:20But if he becomes their goal line back again, and he's pretty damn good at that, Zach Charbonnet could be a very good player.
69:28And Derek Henry is not someone that I really went into drafts trying to draft, but I got him, have him in
69:35two of my three FFT open leagues. So Derek Henry, look, top seven running back per game in full PPR for a
69:41guy that never catches the ball in six of the last seven seasons.
69:45And he's being drafted as something like RB 11 right now.
69:49Yeah, he, I know he's 32, but he scores a ton.
69:52And one of the reasons why he didn't have such a great year last year compared to his seventh per game, compared
69:59to other years is Lamar Jackson missed some time.
70:02And he really struggled when Lamar Jackson was out.
70:05So if you assume Lamar Jackson is going to be healthy, should be more touched on opportunities for Derek Henry.
70:11Here goes, I sped, I followed too closely, I ran a stop sign, I almost hit a Chevy, I sped some more,
70:17I failed to yield, I changed lanes without signaling while speeding.
70:21That was the liar liar scene where he just talks really fast.
70:25You know? Okay. That's my list. I think we're done.
70:28We'll talk to you tomorrow. Oh, no, we'll talk to you tonight.
70:31Oh my gosh. We'll talk to you tonight with the draft-a-thon show, 5 to 8 p.m.
70:36Eastern. See you later, everybody. Talk to you. Podcasts.