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1:35Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamey, and Heath.
1:38Big week for you here on Fantasy Football Today.
1:40It's Adam, Dave, and Jamie here on Tuesday, August 11th.
1:43And it's Sleepers Breakouts and Bus Week. Tomorrow, Wednesday, we have four Breakouts episodes.
1:48And we have three awesome guests joining us. Jake Seeley, Chris Harris, JJ Zachariasen.
1:52Although I think I might be pronouncing that wrong.
1:55It might be Jackarisen. Zacharisen. We've got to ask him.
1:58Jackarisen? Not that. It's definitely not Jackarisen. Did he recently move to New Orleans?
2:02ZZ Jackarisen. He tweeted about it. Did he recently move to New Orleans?
2:06Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's, you know, kind of a joke that is, yes.
2:10But today is Sleepers Day. So these are picks, basically after pick 100.
2:14We'll use CBS ADP today. Here are some fun facts about Dave, Jamie, and Heath's sleepers.
2:19Heath not on the show today, but still we'll talk about a couple of his sleepers.
2:24Fun fact number one. Four of Jamie's sleepers that he gave, these aren't all of his sleepers, but I asked them to
2:31give me a list of about six or seven.
2:33Four of Jamie's six sleepers start with the letter J.
2:36But one of them, that's pretty narcissistic if you ask me.
2:40But one of them is not Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt.
2:43That is Dave's sleeper. Washington has produced 18 and 15 running back rushing touchdowns in the last two seasons.
2:48Fifth most in the NFL. However, they've been 26 and 32nd in running back targets the last two seasons.
2:54Okay. Next fact. Four of Jamey's six sleepers start with the letter J.
2:58But one of them is not Jared Goff. That's one of Heath's sleepers.
3:02Now, by the way, I think Jamie probably agrees on the other ones.
3:06But Heath's list has Jared Goff on it. He has been top 14 per game, four straight seasons, top 10 per game, two straight seasons.
3:14And yet he's quarterback 16 in ADP. And he has one cold weather game.
3:18How about that, Dave? How many outdoor games does he have?
3:21How many outdoor games does Jared Goff have? Great question.
3:24Do you know? Do you know the answer? Why are you cheating?
3:28Oh, I'm looking it up. I don't know. Yeah, why?
3:31I don't know. What's the answer? Do you know?
3:34I do. At Buffalo, at Carolina, at Miami. I got four.
3:37Yeah. And at Chicago. There will be five. No, because Green Bay.
3:41You're not counting week 18. Yeah. Green Bay is week 18.
3:44There will be five in the first 17 weeks of the season.
3:48Was Arizona outdoors? No. Game in Munich. Oh. Oh, come on, Jamie.
3:52Doesn't even count. Four of Jamey's six sleepers start with the letter J, and one of them is Jalen Coker, who scored
3:5814 or more PPR fantasy points in four of his last six games, including the postseason.
4:03He scored 28.4 in the playoff game. He out-targeted Teterill McMillan in those six games, Jalen Coker.
4:09Dave, one of your sleepers is Bo Nix. He's been top 13 per game in both of his seasons, and yet he's QB 17 in ADP.
4:16Make sense of it, Dave Richard. I think people see a lot of other quarterbacks that have more upside and appeal than
4:23Bo Nix, but they're kind of forgetting about the appeal that Nix has in that he's still a running quarterback.
4:29I don't think that the fracture that he suffered in the playoffs last year is going to slow him down.
4:35He's got an improved receiving core. Not only did they bring in Jalen Waddell, but Pat Bryant has started making some waves.
4:42There are huge question marks about the run game.
4:45Yes, they're going to have somebody available to run the football for them in every game, because they restock their running back
4:52room, but it's not necessarily a great running back room.
4:55I think a lot of this will fall on Bo Nix.
4:58Hopefully, he takes a step forward in terms of efficiency, and he's one of several quarterbacks that you can draft late and get good value from.
5:06Do you target Bo Nix, or do you just say, all right, quarterback didn't work out the way I planned?
5:12Let's go to Bo Nix. That's the latter. Yeah.
5:15Which is okay. Of course it's okay. And good.
5:18Yeah. Let's see. Great. More sleepers here. Jaden Reed is one of the J's for Jamie.
5:23Since entering the NFL in 2023, Jaden Reed is second among wide receivers in fantasy points per target.
5:28That does not even include his rushing totals, which over 100 yards in each of his first two seasons.
5:34Not a lot last year, though. By the way, can you name the wide receiver who he's going into his third year now?
5:41Leads the NFL. Leads all wide receivers in fantasy points per target.
5:45Doesn't have a ton of targets. And his name also begins with J.
5:49And he was briefly a sleeper for me. That's cool.
5:52I'll still call him. It's Jalen McMillan. But not really a lot of targets.
5:56Travis Kelsey is one of Heath's sleepers, at least according to his first sleepers article.
6:01And he was top five tight end with Patrick Mahomes in 2025.
6:04He's tied in 12 and ADP. You guys agree, Kelsey, a sleeper?
6:08Of course. Yeah. Value is too good. And then Josh Downs.
6:11I don't know if he's one of the guys Dave submitted on his list today.
6:16But I don't know if he's just, you know, our sleepers, like the FFT sleeper.
6:20We love Josh Downs. The fun fact I have on him is actually a little discouraging.
6:25Because he's had stretches of all three of his NFL seasons where he's played, or he's run 78 per 76% or more of the routes.
6:33And he's only been good in 2024. He wasn't good in 2025 or 2023.
6:37But he didn't have Daniel Jones in those games in 2025.
6:41I think it's pretty irrelevant. We like Josh Downs.
6:43He has a great opportunity. And by the way, Alec Pierce, turns out he has a second PRP injection on his injured ankle.
6:50All right. Let me get two sleepers that you love.
6:54We'll do a couple of sleepers here. We did a few there, but we'll get more in depth on them.
7:00Let me get a couple that you love. We'll also talk about the news and notes because you're going, what?
7:06Chargers, three running backs every week, right? The hot hand.
7:09What's that all about? J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins and Christian McCaffrey missing practice.
7:13What? That's weird. We'll talk about all that. But, Jamie, give me two sleepers that you love right now.
7:19Two sleepers that I love right now. I'll go with one with the letter J, which would be that you haven't mentioned yet, Jordan Mason.
7:26And the other, which would be Malik Willis. So, Jordan Mason at running back, Malik Willis quarterback.
7:31Do you like me to go in depth? Yes.
7:34Yes. Well, for Mason, it seems like he's going to be the running downs guy for the Vikings.
7:40So, the starting running back, at least based on the reports we're getting out of Minnesota.
7:45And I think there's an opportunity for him to be better just because the offense will be better.
7:50The offensive environment should be better because of Kyler Murray.
7:53So, I think there's an opportunity for more touchdowns.
7:56He's 27. Aaron Jones is going to be 32.
7:59Claiborne, who's also getting some positive reviews. A sixth-round rookie.
8:02I don't know how much he'll cut into Mason and Jones' workload.
8:05But it's something to keep an eye on there.
8:08I just think based on the value that you're getting, plus the opportunity if there is an injury for Aaron Jones, as
8:15we saw last year in the time that Jones missed, I believe it was five games, he averaged over 13 PPR points per game.
8:22So, that would make him a number two running back if that's the case.
8:27You're getting him basically as a flex. In some cases, maybe a number four running back.
8:31So, I just think it's easy to target somebody like this.
8:35Now, the downside is he's got 28 career receptions in four seasons.
8:39So, I don't think he's going to help you in that regard.
8:42But if the offense is better and he's going to be the starter, I think there's just a chance when you look
8:49at him, similar probably to like Dave's going to say about Krosky Merritt, like this isn't going to be a guy that's
8:56going to help you in terms of pass-catching ability.
8:58But touchdowns and rushing yards for the value that you're getting, I think, is very good.
9:03And then for Malik Willis, I think it comes down to how much are you going to buy into his rushing because
9:10that's what's going to really make or break, I think, his fantasy production.
9:14He has looked good throwing the ball according to reports.
9:17I don't know how much of that is in the Miami defense.
9:21But he has been doing a good job finding Caleb Douglas.
9:24Sorry. Finding Caleb Douglas, finding the guys that are at least performing for him right now.
9:29Hopefully, this receiving core continues to evolve and grow.
9:32But if you take his games where he played at least 64% of the snaps, he rushed for at least 40 yards
9:38per game on average in those games. And only eight quarterbacks in NFL history have averaged more than 40 yards rushing per game.
9:46So I think that's an opportunity for him to be successful in that regard.
9:50He could lead the position in rushing yards. I don't think that's a stretch.
9:54You know, he's probably going to compete with Jaden Daniels and Lamar Jackson in that category.
9:59But again, the value for what he can give you, they may not win many games.
10:04He's probably going to turn the ball over quite a bit.
10:07He may not have a lot of passing touchdowns.
10:10But I think when you look at the total numbers, especially the rushing numbers, put him in the top 12 category if things go right.
10:18Adam, what was the question you asked me about Bo Nix?
10:21Why are people... Why is he going later than...
10:24No, is he the type of quarterback that you're targeting late or that you're settling for late?
10:29Yeah. Right? That's kind of the genesis of your question.
10:32With Bo Nix, he's the kind of quarterback that I want to settle for if I'm waiting on QB and I want to draft two of them.
10:40Willis, I'm fine doing that with. But he's also one that is so intriguing because of that rushing upside and because I
10:47don't think he's a zero as a passer. Jamie's right.
10:50He's not going to throw a ton of touchdowns.
10:53He'll turn the ball over a little bit. I love the film of him throwing last year.
10:58And I could see a world where he actually keeps the Dolphins in a bunch of these games and is an awesome fantasy quarterback.
11:05I'm gravitating toward taking him as my second quarterback when I've got a stud quarterback or even when I've got just like
11:12a solid starter that I feel good about from the Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes type tier.
11:17And I still get Willis late just in case he starts the year as a better version of what Justin Fields has
11:24been when he's had opportunities the past couple of years.
11:27And the other point that I want to make about Jordan Mason, I think this is what's going to make people feel
11:34even better about taking Jordan Mason as a sleeper.
11:36The Vikings are changing their run scheme. They want to do more outside zone.
11:41In each of the last four years when he's run outside zone, Jordan Mason has averaged at least 4.6 yards per carry, including three years.
11:48And this is all in San Francisco. Three years over five yards per carry when he's run outside zone.
11:54So they're fitting their offensive run game to his strength.
11:57And he's come to camp looking a little bit leaner.
12:00And the reports have been great. Jamie talked about that.
12:03I think that there's a real bull case to be made for Jordan Mason as a tremendous fantasy value.
12:09Yeah, for sure. Round nine, round 10 for Jordan Mason.
12:12And he's been a starting running back before. First seven games of 2024.
12:162024, he was on pace for 311 carries, 1,620 yards and seven touchdowns rushing, plus 24 catches for 209 yards.
12:22You know, I don't think he's going to be on pace for 311 carries, but you never know.
12:28It could be maybe like 270 to it. That'd be a lot.
12:31That'd be like Aaron Jones basically having no role.
12:34But there's a possibility of that just in terms of carries.
12:38So Mason, yeah. And then, Dave, I'll throw it to you for the two sleepers you want to talk about.
12:44But if you wouldn't mind making one of them Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt, because I'd like to compare the two.
12:49Who do you guys like better? Jamie, I could just let you go, Jamie, real quick.
12:54Who do you like better, Mason or Bill? Right now it's Bill, but it's a lot of speculation because Ben Standing, who
13:01does a great job covering the team, said that he's been flashing as a pass catcher.
13:06If that's going to be a part of his game, then that's going to help him significantly hold off Rashad White.
13:12If he's not going to be involved in the passing game, then I think we have a problem.
13:18So he doesn't have to become Kenneth Gainwell, for example.
13:21He doesn't have to be a 50-catch guy, a 40-catch guy.
13:24But I think if he can get to 30 catches and keep him on the field.
13:29So that happened late last week or over the weekend, that report came out.
13:34And then there was video yesterday of him just really getting abused in some pass protection drills.
13:39So you asked me this Sunday night about the Laramie Tunsil injury.
13:42This could really impact Bill because if they don't have their blindside protector and they don't have somebody that can keep players
13:49off of Jayden Daniels, we're not going to see a lot of Ja'Cory Krosky and Merritt in obvious passing out situations.
13:56I definitely have Merritt ranked too high. Like I've got him in the round seven range.
14:01I don't think he belongs there. And I've got Jordan Mason in like the round nine, ten range.
14:06And I don't think he belongs there. So that gap is definitely going to shrink.
14:11But I do have Bill a little significantly for now out of Jordan Mason, but it should be much smaller.
14:17What I love about Krosky Merritt is just the opportunity to do a little bit more on the offense.
14:23And Jamie just talked about it. This is something that the commanders have been working on with him since last season ended.
14:29They really want him to be, I can't say the feature back, but the 1A and Rashad White to be the 1B.
14:36And we know that just because you play on passing downs doesn't mean, or if you don't play on passing downs, because
14:43Krosky Merritt probably will not play on passing downs, that doesn't mean you're going to be a zero in the passing game.
14:49You can still get catches on first and second down.
14:53And if he proves to the coaching staff over the next several weeks that he can do that, they're going to use him as such.
15:00It's not going to be to the point of 50 catches or anything like that, but it could be in that 30
15:07catch range, just like Jamie talked about. And I'm not certain that he's going to be their goal line guy.
15:13White could also fill that role. So I'm a little bit nervous, but at that ADP to get a running back, that's going to at least start.
15:21And he appears to be improving in two thirds of his talent.
15:25I don't think his pass protection is going to improve.
15:28Then yes, I think that's somebody that we can look at with a mid to late round pick is a potential starter for your fantasy squad.
15:36Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt going 104th and CBS sports ADP Jordan Mason going 109th.
15:40Remember all of these guys have ADPs 100 or later, except for is on CBS, except for Isaiah likely who we'll talk
15:47about later, who is going 99th on CBS, but we'll let you keep them Dave.
15:51All right. Give me one more guy that you'd like as a sleeper.
15:55Let's just go right to likely. And this is broken record time for me because I've been talking about him for months now.
16:02And there there's been no slowing of the drum beat for him as a primary target for Jackson dart.
16:08In fact, while Malik neighbors is still working his way into game shape, it's been likely that's been the best pass catcher in Giants camp thus far.
16:16And there's been some some hiccups with the offense and hopefully that gets worked out.
16:21But I'm encouraged by his opportunity to be the second best pass catcher in this offense.
16:26And I've said this before. Sorry for repeating nine career games where he's had at least six targets, 12 and a half
16:33PPR points in eight of the nine games. And that's really good for a tight end.
16:38It's especially good for a tight end that you're going to draft around 100th overall.
16:42Okay. Yeah. Likely or Kelsey? Who do you like better?
16:45Likely. Jamie. Okay. Likely or Kittle? Likely. It's likely for now, but it looks like George Kittle could easily leapfrog him if
16:52he continues to look good and practice and get off that pup list and be ready for week one.
16:58Yeah. I would take likely over Fannin at this point.
17:01Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I'm not there. I'm likely over pits and that's close, but I've got Fannin ahead of likely.
17:07Okay. So a few things real quick here. The FFT open, obviously spots still available there.
17:12And if you've already signed up for a league and that league has filled, I think we're going to send out the invites this week.
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17:41So that's a 10 team super flex league. The podcast league is a 14 team league that's been going on for like 16 years or something like that.
17:49Let's see what else. Oh, we have this new eliminator league.
17:53The rules are there. I think it's the top half stay on and the bottom six are out, but you could in
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18:17I don't believe I am. Okay. Some of us are in it.
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22:10So let's get to the news and notes. And people are buzzing about what Chargers offensive coordinator Mike McDaniel said.
22:16He's going to ride the hot hand at running back.
22:19He's going to use Omarian Hampton, Kamani Vidal, and Keaton Mitchell probably every game and kind of play the hot hand once you're into games.
22:27Jamie, what do you make of that? What's your job?
22:30Fooled you? Don't fall for that, please. Yeah. It's just bad.
22:34It's just McDaniel, baby McDaniel. Last year, he said about the Dolphins that they were going to use four running backs.
22:40You know, so this is just one of those things where he is.
22:44I mean, listen, they're going to use other guys.
22:47To what extent he uses Keaton Mitchell and Kamani Vidal remains to be seen.
22:51But Omarian Hampton is going to get the majority of touches there.
22:55So if there's, let's say, 25 running back touches for the game, if you want to be conservative with it, I'm going
23:01to guess it's probably 18 for Hampton and then seven for the other two.
23:06So I wouldn't expect too much. It's a reason not to overvalue Keaton Mitchell because I think a lot of people are
23:12excited that he could be because of the McDaniel posting wanted signs for Mitchell during free agency.
23:18And you've seen a couple of highlights of him catching the ball, that he can maybe be the pass catching back there.
23:24I think Hampton is going to certainly play on passing downs and catch the ball on first and second down.
23:30And then Vidal clearly did a good job replacing Hampton last year, at least at times.
23:35They're not in the same weight class. If Omarian Hampton's healthy, he's going to be a stud and challenged to be a top five fantasy running back.
23:44So I think round two is the perfect spot for him.
23:47You agree, Dave? Yeah. 100%. Well, wait. Yeah, clearly round two.
23:50But I mean, how early in round two? I've got him as a top 15 pick.
23:55Yeah, he's right in that range. He is behind, I'm trying to think what number we're running back.
24:01I think he's running back eight for me. But yeah, top 15.
24:04I mean, you've got him behind Taylor and McCaffrey, I assume.
24:08Yeah, I have him behind Gentry. I have him behind Cook.
24:11I have him behind Chase Brown. I have him behind Ken Walker.
24:15That's it. Okay. And I've got a Chan ahead of him.
24:18I've got Gentry one spot behind him. If I believed even a little bit of what Mike McDaniel was saying, I would
24:25make that switch in a heartbeat, obviously. But I don't believe it.
24:29He once told me, and I think it was before last season, that he liked having a bunch of running backs in
24:35his running back room that he could trust and that it really makes sense to have so many that he can put
24:42out in the field and just utilize them all.
24:45And then we all saw what happened last year.
24:48A-Chan dominated. And so I'm expecting that to be the exact same thing.
24:52He talks a lot. But he has a history of splitting.
24:55He split with Mostert and Wilson when they acquired Wilson in a mid-season trade.
24:59He split Mostert and A-Chan. It's not like it's never happened before.
25:03That's fine. But those, I would say that in the Mostert-A-Chan example, that was A-Chan's rookie year, was it not?
25:09Yep. Yeah. So that makes sense to not put too much on one guy in his first season, especially when you've got
25:16a solid veteran in Mostert who knows exactly what he's supposed to be doing.
25:20This isn't that. Okay. This is a second year running back in Hampton.
25:24He's been out there. He knows what he's doing.
25:27And the other two back, it's not like he's got a vet.
25:30He doesn't have a Mostert on his depth chart.
25:33He's got Keaton Mitchell, who's a great airback. And he's got Kamani Baidal, who proved last year that he's a good backup running back.
25:41Okay. All right. Good. I'm glad to hear you say that because I want to believe in Omari and Hampton.
25:47And I want to believe in Jameer Gibbs. And I'd like to believe in Isaiah Pacheco.
25:52But that's getting harder. But Detroit center Cade May is free agent signing that they were going to plug in at center.
25:58He's going to miss eight to 10 weeks, according to Ian Rapoport, with a fractured wrist.
26:03And Isaiah Pacheco has an MCL sprain, but is expected to be ready for week one.
26:08So forget about that. You might be able to get him for free now in the auction leagues.
26:14This is great news for me. You're right. But with the Cade May's injury, the center out eight to 10 weeks, which,
26:20you know, might be a little bit more than a month of the season.
26:25Does that change anything for Jameer Gibbs, Dave? I'm still taking him at the one-on-one.
26:29It's still a great situation where he's a talented running back.
26:33They want to get him a lot of work.
26:35There's a pathway for him to be the offensive player of the year.
26:39And so I don't want to give up on that just because the center is going to miss a portion of the season.
26:46Luther Burden could be back for week one. He has the groin injury.
26:50Is he still around four pick or should Luther Burden be around five pick, guys?
26:55Round four. I moved him down. J.K. Dobbins left with a soft tissue injury.
26:59Sean Payton said that Dobbins will be fine. But, Jamie, let's play a hypothetical here and say Dobbins misses time at some point in the season.
27:07I know. Crazy. But if that does happen, you know, that's when R.J.
27:11Harvey became not an every down back, but he got two-thirds of the running back carries.
27:16He got enough. He got a decent amount of catches, and he was solid.
27:20What do you think happens this year, though, if Dobbins misses time?
27:24And by the way, when I say Harvey was solid, he was solid for fantasy.
27:29He really struggled as a rusher. What do you think happens this year, Jamie, if Dobbins misses time?
27:34I think Jonah Coleman is probably the rushing downs back, and R.J.
27:38Harvey gets a little bit more work in that regard.
27:41I don't think we see R.J. Harvey as a primary ball carrier unless both guys are injured or Coleman really just struggles if given an opportunity.
27:49Like you said, Harvey did not perform well as a rusher last year from week 11 on.
27:54Week 10 was when Dobbins suffered the foot injury.
27:57He was amazing for fantasy because he scored touchdowns, and he was getting a lot of work overall, averaging over 15.5 PPR
28:03points per game once Dobbins was injured. I think it was like week 12 until week 17 because week 11 was not great for him.
28:11So I still think Harvey benefits the most if Dobbins is out, but I don't think we get that type of performance
28:18because we may not get those goal line touches or those touchdown opportunities just across the board.
28:23So it's just tough to trust Harvey. You know, he was so good for fantasy managers in the fantasy playoffs because of those chances.
28:30I just don't think that's the same. I think that's why they drafted Jonah Coleman.
28:35R.J. Harvey, so his explosive play rate, carries of 12 or more yards, was 2.7% last year, which was second lowest among
28:4249 running backs with 100 or more carries ahead of only Chuba Hubbard.
28:46But it is the worst explosive play rate for any rookie running back in the last 12 seasons.
28:51And the only running back who was really bad at that in the last 12 seasons and ended up being good was Christian McCaffrey.
28:59McCaffrey was at 3.4% and Harvey was at 2.7%.
29:01All of this is to say he had a really bad year as a rusher.
29:06McCaffrey, meanwhile, mispracticed with tightness. I don't think anyone's worried about that.
29:10He's going to mispractice every week this year. This was 2024.
29:13That was tightness. Oh, yeah, he'll be ready for week one.
29:16If we had a game tomorrow, well, he'll be playing.
29:19Kyle Shanahan said that. Yeah, but that was Achilles tendonitis, wasn't it?
29:23It was tightness in his calf. Oh, okay. I thought it was Achilles tendonitis for him.
29:28Could be wrong. That's what it ended up being.
29:31I don't know if that's what they called it in 24.
29:34At the start. Look, it's just – it's troubling.
29:37You don't want to see this. You don't want to see what he is and what he's capable of doing and dealing
29:44with injuries because every time he's had 400-plus touches, he's been hurt the following year.
29:48So let's not go down this path again. Let's see him play.
29:52Let's see him be the guy he's capable of being.
29:55But this is why we're saying we're concerned because 30 years old now, coming off 450 touches, the most he's ever had, and here we go.
30:03Okay. If this is a one-day thing or even a three-day thing, I'm not worried.
30:07But if it lingers, it's pretty obvious if it lingers what you do.
30:11That's his draft stock if he's out a week with tightness.
30:15What are they covering for? What is the tightness?
30:18You saw what they did, right, yesterday? What do you mean what they did?
30:22Did they move away from the electrical substation? Because that's what I want to see.
30:26No Jordan James right now dealing with the rib injury.
30:29No Kalen Black, who's still banged up. No Isaac Garendo, who's still dealing with the pectoral injury.
30:35Debo Samuel was playing running back for them, and they worked out Zamir White and Naheem Hines.
30:40This team could be very, very bad right now.
30:43It's crazy. The Patriots signed Hunter Henry to a two-year $60 million extension.
30:47$16 million, not $60. Dallas signed defensive tackle Quinnen Williams to a three-year $106 million extension.
30:52Signs now through 2030. Running backs averaged 4.4 yards per carry against the Cowboys in games that Williams played.
30:574.8 yards per carry in games he did not play.
31:00And I mentioned earlier, Alec Pierce had a second PRP injection in his ankle.
31:05So, Josh Downs or Alec Pierce? Oh, Downs. It's got to be Downs.
31:09Okay. There was a good story on ESPN. Two of their riders, Solak and Fowler, they went to a bunch of different
31:15training camps, and they had a lot of reporting from there.
31:19But you know what? This is a sleeper show.
31:22So, let's do some more sleepers. And I'll finish up with the...
31:25There's a sleeper in those notes that I particularly like and even suggested.
31:29Who's that? Rashid Shaheed. Rashid Shaheed was mentioned. Adonai Mitchell was mentioned.
31:33Jalen Naylor. And Trey Tucker was really more mentioned than Jalen Naylor.
31:36Dontavian Wicks was mentioned. Denzel Boston was mentioned. So, I'll go over that in a little bit.
31:42All right, Dave. Your sleepers that you provided, these are not your full list of sleepers, but Patrick Mahomes, Jonathan Brooks, Josh
31:48Downs, Isaiah Likely, Bo Nix, Jacory Krosky-Meritt, and Casey Concepcion.
31:51So, I think we've covered Likely and Nix and Jacory Krosky-Meritt.
31:55Fair? Yeah. Okay. Let me ask you about Mahomes.
31:58Same question I asked you about Bo Nix. Is this a guy you target as a late-round sleeper or, you know, round nine-ish?
32:05Yes. Okay. Yep. Go ahead. And obviously, my philosophy on drafting a quarterback this year is you've got to feel like you're stealing one.
32:12And I don't know if there's a better feeling of stealing a quarterback than getting a former multi-time NFL MVP with a pick in round nine or ten.
32:21And I'm impressed that he seems to be fine from the ACL injury.
32:25I like the offensive line. I love what the run game addition of Kenneth Walker, what that means for the offense and
32:31what it should mean for how defenses adjust to taking on Kansas City.
32:35I know that he doesn't have a Tyreek Hill in his offense anymore, but he's put up huge numbers before without Tyreek Hill in his offense.
32:43And he did it last year for crying out loud before he got hurt.
32:48He had 28.1 PPR, 28.1 fantasy points and six point in his first six games without Rice.
32:53And that went up to 28.8 in his first eight games.
32:56Week nine on, he stunk. But I think we can all look and see that he's got potential.
33:02Why would you pass up on somebody like this?
33:04I feel a little dirty, dirty. Why did I pronounce the T like that, Adam?
33:09That was weird. What was that? I feel a little dirty, suggesting that Mahomes is a sleeper because he's got so much
33:16potential to finish as a top five guy. But what the hell, man?
33:20If we're getting him in round nine or round ten, let's call it what it is, a tremendous value.
33:25Okay. Would you rather have Jared Goff or Patrick Mahomes?
33:29Mahomey. Goff. Okay. Jonathan Brooks going 105th overall. What do you think that ADP is going to settle as the reports continue to come out on him?
33:37If we get even one preseason highlight of Jonathan Brooks making a play, it's going to move to round seven.
33:43And I think I'd still be okay taking the chance on Jonathan Brooks in round seven if it comes to that.
33:49Because these are all players. The whole point of a sleeper is you're getting a player at one value on draft day,
33:56and he turns out to be better than that.
33:59And the entire operation of a draft is get the best players you can and hope that you get guys that outperform where you draft them.
34:07And from round seven on, my goal every year is to get just one player, one player that is better than where I draft him.
34:14And Brooks can easily be that guy. So if the reports are true and he's looking like his old self in camp
34:21and he's adding muscle, he looks a little bit stronger.
34:24We know that he can be a factor in the passing game.
34:28We know Chuba Hubbard is just okay. And we saw last year, you have to go back and look to remember it.
34:35But when Rico Dowdle came on, the Panthers coaching staff did give Dowdle more work all the way up until the playoff game.
34:42And then Chuba started to get more work than Dowdle did.
34:45So they like Chuba. They want Chuba on the team, but they're willing to put him in a complimentary role.
34:51And so if Brooks is going to be good, he's going to be potentially awesome for fantasy managers.
34:57He can help the Panthers. I don't love their offensive line, really their offensive tackles.
35:01But that's just going to help him get more catches out of the backfield because that's one way that an offense can work around having mediocre tackles.
35:10And so getting him, where do I have him right now?
35:13Like a round eight pick? If it ends up being round seven, I guess I'd be okay with that.
35:19But there's potential for him to finish as a top 20 running back, if not higher, provided that he stays healthy for the whole season.
35:26That is Jonathan Brooks we're talking about. By the way, over the last nine seasons, there have been 16 running backs, almost
35:33two per year, that have been drafted in round seven or later and finished top 12.
35:38So that's pretty cool. Travis, I think Travis A.
35:41Chan was one of those guys last year, although that kind of bothers me because his ADP was so influenced by the Tank Bigsby trade.
35:48But Javante Williams was definitely one. It was just a great discount last year.
35:53So I don't know if we have that guy.
35:55Like Javante Williams was so clearly the best option, I think, for the Cowboys.
36:00Maybe we didn't know it at the time. I don't know if we have that guy.
36:05Maybe it's Mason. You didn't buy Miles Sanders? Come on.
36:08Maybe it's Mason. Maybe it's Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt. Maybe it's Jonathan Brooks.
36:11A running back that's going late that could be a top 20 guy?
36:15Top 12. Top 12? Like Javante and ETN or A-Chan.
36:18I mean, Mason could be maybe Pollard. His ADP is higher than that, isn't it?
36:23Oh, you're saying around 100? No, it was round seven or later was mine.
36:27So round seven is what? Pick 84? 85? I don't think we get...
36:31That's where round seven ends. That's where it ends.
36:34Sorry. So that's... Right. I don't think we get...
36:3673. Quite that high? No, I mean, look, it's always surprising.
36:40I didn't think Javante... I liked Javante Williams last year.
36:43I didn't think he was going to be top 12 running back.
36:47You know, it's hard to predict. But a guy...
36:49He stayed healthy and he scored a lot of touchdowns.
36:52Who could run away with their backfield on a good offense?
36:56Without an injury? Yeah. That's being taken after 73rd overall?
36:59Mm-hmm. Without an injury. Where's Dowdle and Warren? They're in that range.
37:02They're definitely in that range. And Dowdle appears to be the 1A there.
37:06But I think he's going to need Jalen Warren to miss time for him to really run away with it.
37:13I think Brooks is a candidate. I really do.
37:15After what we saw last year when Dowdle ended up being...
37:19In the year before with Hubbard. Yeah. Sure. That's a great call.
37:22So I think Brooks can be that guy. I'm nervous to say Travion can be that guy.
37:28Especially since the training camp reports haven't been so good for him.
37:31Well, Travion's a round 5 pick. Yeah. Which is ridiculous.
37:34But if he falls to round 7... I don't know.
37:37I don't even know if I can even say it.
37:40It could be Tootin if he falls after the latest report.
37:44Sure. Yeah. Could be Tootin. Why couldn't it be Chris Rodriguez?
37:47It'd be pretty hard to see him just taking over that backfield without an injury.
37:52That's, I think, the difference between a Bejal Tootin.
37:55Because right now... Sorry, this is a little bit of a detour.
37:58There may not be that much of a difference between Bejal Tootin and a guy like Blake Corum.
38:04I mean, their roles are seemingly different. But you could see their stats being similar.
38:08But Tootin, I think, and everybody probably thinks, has a chance to just be so much better than Chris Rodriguez.
38:14Where he just gains a bigger role as the season goes on.
38:18It's not going to happen for Blake Corum. Kyron Williams is so good.
38:22But, yeah, I'm really struggling with Tootin because I like him a lot.
38:26But it's possible that he's just a waste. Is he Tony Pollard?
38:30Exactly. Where? He gets you over 1,000 total yards.
38:32He plays a lot every week. He doesn't score a ton of touchdowns.
38:36End of the year, it's 1,000 yards and five touchdowns.
38:40That's Tony Pollard. And, Dave, let me just read...
38:42Or, Jamie, whatever, whoever brought up the Steelers, guys.
38:45Let me just read what the ESPN training camp report was.
38:48It was, quote, I can't get a lean on Jalen Warren and Rico Dowdle, but I'm confident both will be used enough
38:55to be playable in any given week. Dowdle is a more than capable receiving back.
39:00And I think he'll bite into Warren's catches more than most people realize.
39:04Warren is a spectacular tackle breaker. And I think he'll bite into Dowdle's carries more than most people realize.
39:10And this was a fantasy nugget from... I'm not sure which of the reporters was there, but...
39:15Well, is it an ESPNB reporter? That would be Brooker.
39:18No, it was either Jeremy Fowler or Benjamin Solak.
39:21Oh, I see. Sorry, I don't know which one that was.
39:24Because usually Brook's on top of stuff for the Steelers.
39:27All right, Dave, let's finish. There have been non-ESPNB reporters all over Steelers camp that have said that Dowdle looks like the better option at this point.
39:35Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I have Dowdle. You should have Dowdle ahead of Warren in your rankings.
39:40Even in full PPR. Okay. That'll be fun to watch and see how that one turns out.
39:45Yeah, I just think he's going to get more opportunities in the passing game, and I think that matters.
39:51Yeah. Is there anyone else? Oh, yeah. Casey Concepcion and Josh Downs.
39:55Let's talk about them. I want to establish what our expectations are for Josh Downs.
39:59We've come off very high on him. Just how high are we?
40:03Dave, compare him to Casey Concepcion. How do you like those guys?
40:07I think they both have a similar role in each of their respective offenses.
40:11They'll play in the slot quite a bit. They'll work the middle of the field quite a bit.
40:17I think that they're both after-catch receivers. They've got good speed.
40:20They can make guys miss. So they're very similar.
40:23Downs is ranked higher because he's done it before.
40:25We're two years removed from him averaging over 13 PPR points per game on 7.6 targets per game.
40:31I have a little bit of a hard time believing he's going to get that many targets per game, but let's flip those numbers.
40:38If it's 6.7, I can buy into that. It could be 7.6 for however many games Alec Pierce misses, by the way.
40:45So the longer that Pierce is out, the better that it is for both Downs and Tyler Warren.
40:51So in full PPR, it's really easy to believe in Downs.
40:54With Concepcion, there's a pathway for him to get seven targets per game.
40:58I love what I've been reading about him and Denzel Boston.
41:01I especially like the fact that Concepcion took a big hit in practice like maybe seven days ago, and he walked off holding his arm.
41:09It looked like he had a big shoulder injury.
41:12He was right back out there days later doing his thing.
41:15And so I think there's room for Boston to get some good numbers.
41:19I think there's room for Fannin to get some very good numbers.
41:23And I think Concepcion can also get very good numbers, particularly in full PPR, because I think he can get seven targets per game.
41:30And in the case of Cleveland especially, that's an offense that I expect to either be in close games or trailing.
41:36And that should help the target volume just go up for everybody across the board.
41:41I'm going to throw out some names and numbers for you here.
41:45Justin Jefferson as a rookie was drafted 125th overall in fantasy.
41:48It was wide receiver 10 per game. Chase Claypool was drafted 200.
41:52Was he better than Peyton Barber? I forget. Not at first.
41:55Chase Claypool, 236th in ADP, wide receiver 32 per game.
41:58CeeDee Lamb. These are all these guys. I'm not going to say where they all went.
42:03They were all after pick 100. CeeDee Lamb, wide receiver 35 per game.
42:07Brandon Ayuk, wide receiver 19 per game as a rookie.
42:10Jalen Waddell, wide receiver 14 per game. Amon Ross St.
42:13Brown, 26th per game. Garrett Wilson, 31st per game.
42:16Olave, 27th per game. Again, all of these guys.
42:19Rookies being drafted after pick 100. Puka Nakua. Tank Dell.
42:22Brian Thomas Jr. Ladd McConkie. Those guys all smashed their ADP as rookies.
42:26Last year was the first time in five years, or six years I think, that we didn't have at least two rookie
42:32wide receivers picked after pick 100 that finished either top 24 overall or per game.
42:37Will we get back to that this year? I don't really see it, but I think Concepcion is probably the best bet.
42:44I don't know. I would guess so. I don't think there's a rookie wide receiver.
42:48I think he's the best bet, and I think Boston is a pretty good bet to get north of six targets per
42:55game, and I wouldn't be surprised if Boston ended with more touchdowns than Concepcion.
42:59I just don't see like— I agree with that.
43:02My biggest concern is, first and foremost, the quarterback, because I think both guys have looked terrible so far in camp, and
43:09it's one of the worst quarterback battles that maybe we've seen in the last 10 years, just how poorly these guys have performed.
43:16It's going to be a very slow-paced offense. I think there's a lot of moving parts to this offense.
43:22The concern I have is if Concepcion is going to play inside, which I think makes some sense, if they're going to
43:28try and put Boston on the field because I think Judy is going to be either the X or the Z, we
43:35could have a problem of him just sharing the field space with Fannin, which is why I'm a little bit concerned about Fannin.
43:42And so if this was a more capable quarterback, I would be like, oh, wow, this is awesome.
43:48These guys are fantastic. Look how great these guys can be.
43:51If Judy is the fourth, like, let's go. But it just feels icky.
43:55So it's a good call. I mean, where you're getting him, the upside is worth the risk.
44:00Yeah, yeah. But I just like—I do see the potential of what Boston could be because what Watson will still probably do
44:07well is, oh, bleep, chuck it downfield. Like, that says he's not— But that's if Watson's the quarterback.
44:13What if it's Shador? And if it's not Watson, then I think that helps Fannin and maybe helps Concepcion.
44:18But, like, this just feels icky across the board.
44:21You know, so, like, you're saying which rookie receivers can come out of nowhere, right?
44:26Is that basically the concept? Well, so it's picked after pick 100 for 24.
44:30And by the way, Jamie, I have to say, just did an ADP check.
44:34Makai Lemon is now in this range. He is going after pick 100.
44:38Yeah, I mean, that's— Because of the injury. That's one I would probably bank on more if he's healthy.
44:44Yeah. The type of guy I think that you may find is not necessarily because of talent, because I think Concepcion clearly is more talented.
44:52But, like, that could be a Caleb Douglas. That could be a Cyrus Allen.
44:56That could be a Jacoby Lane because of touchdowns.
44:59Like, Zachariah Branch, you know, just because of the target.
45:02He may get it. Yeah, stripling needs to be mentioned here.
45:05Stripling, yeah. Another great one. You know, like, those are the type of guys I think, like— I'd rather, if I'm going
45:12to gamble on that premise, I might gamble on, like, who's got a better quarterback and better system.
45:17Yeah, I get that. Unfortunately, when you look at history of, like, okay, who emerged from this group?
45:23I mean, most of the names we read are first round or early second round picks, but not all of them.
45:29I mean, not Amon Ross St. Brown, not Puka Nakua, not Tank Dell.
45:33I don't know that there's a common thread here.
45:36Some of them really benefited from injuries. There's two common threads.
45:39Number one is target volume. Yeah. And number two is—and I don't know if this really applies to Puka, but speed.
45:46Just think about these guys are very shifty, and they've got speed on their side, and they're getting a ton of targets.
45:53And when that combines with the opportunity, that's the other thing that they all got.
45:57And this plays into other guys being hurt and opening up opportunities.
46:01That matters a ton. And so here we are in Cleveland.
46:04We're talking about the best wide receiver that Cleveland has that isn't a rookie being Jerry Judy, who's disappointed us pretty much
46:11every year save for one, maybe two. And then Harold Fannin, who's a great middle-of-field option, going to be a trustworthy guy
46:18on third downs and in the red zone for Cleveland, especially if Shudur's the quarterback.
46:22Other than that, there's opportunity for both Concepcion and Boston.
46:25Concepcion's the one with speed and shiftiness. Yeah, I know.
46:28It's just—I just struggle because I think they're going to want to— they're going to try to run the ball a lot.
46:35I think that should be the strength of their offense.
46:38And their quarterbacks suck. And between Fannin, Concepcion, and Boston, I don't know that anyone's getting more than like 110 targets.
46:45Probably someone will, but I don't know. No, I'm with you.
46:48I don't think it's more than that. Yeah. I don't know.
46:51It's tough. Concepcion is so talented and so exciting, so I do think he's worth the risk.
46:57But you just, you know, you never know. All right.
47:00We've got to take a break. When we come back, I want you to take a look at this tweet from Heath Cummings.
47:07It just cracks me up. The hate in this man's heart.
47:10What am I talking about? I'm just joking. But we'll tell you after this, and then we'll get to Jamie Sleepers on Fantasy Football today.
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48:07All right, let me show you this. This just cracks me up.
48:11PFF tweets, Patrick Mahomes with 17 has more career playoff wins than Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and Lamar Jackson combined.
48:17Heath has to dunk on the Chargers. And he says, you could throw Justin Herbert zero playoff wins in there as well.
48:24Heath, you are making me a Chargers fan this year.
48:27I just, I want... Well, he knows what's coming.
48:29He knows that the Chargers are going to be really good.
48:33I don't know if he knows that. I don't know.
48:36Yes, he does. I think he feels like as long as Mahomes is healthy, the Chiefs are going to be the Chiefs
48:42and they're just going to win the division, no problem.
48:46That's what that's... Yeah, it's not really a crazy thought, Adam.
48:49Yeah, and my... Heath always mentions this like bold prediction I made months ago, but it's basically the Chiefs struggle again, offensively,
48:56Andy reads out, and things change after this year.
48:58Wow. Yeah. I just don't really like their personnel.
49:01I like it a lot more with Walker now.
49:04A lot more. Yeah. Good line, good running back, great quarterback.
49:07Jamie, your sleepers. Jordan Mason, Jaden Reed, Jalen Coker, Jalen Naylor.
49:11Those are the J's. Tyler Shuck and Malik Willis.
49:13Thankfully, we've talked about a number of these guys.
49:16Let's talk about Jalen Coker and Jalen Naylor. Which Jalen do you prefer?
49:20Jalen Coker. Okay. What do you expect from Coker and Naylor?
49:24I mean, the two somewhat different profiles, fantasy-wise at least.
49:27You know, for Coker, you mentioned it, the last five games of the season last year, including the playoffs, he averaged over 14 PPR points per game.
49:35Ted Roll and McMillan, who's going significantly earlier than him, and this is not to make the comparison aside from just what
49:42they did at the end of the season, averaged 9.8 PPR points per game over that span.
49:47The targets were essentially equal, 6.2 per game for Ted Roll and McMillan, 6 per game for Coker.
49:52So, I think you're hoping that Coker, who missed the beginning portion of last year, then had a ramp-up period, as we
49:59often see for guys coming off of injury during the year, by the time he was healthy, he was a big piece
50:06of this offense, and I think that carries over to this year.
50:09I think the fact that Brazel is hurt, and the fact that now Xavier Leggett also banged up again, but he's going
50:16to most likely still be the third receiver, you kind of see an opportunity for McMillan and Coker to get funneled targets.
50:23So, don't love that the tackles are not healthy for the Panthers going in, because I think that impacts Bryce Young even more.
50:30But just where the cost is for Jalen Coker, it's easy to gravitate toward him, because when he's gotten chances, he's been productive.
50:37And so, hopefully that's the case once again. So, I don't want to draft him as a starter.
50:42I think if you're running back heavy, this is the perfect guy to make your fourth receiver, you know, somebody that could
50:49be in the flex range for you or your first reserve in a three-receiver league.
50:54If you're receiver heavy, I think you want him as maybe your fifth and a guy that can work into your starting three and maybe flex.
51:02But this is one of those guys that I think at the end of your bench or, you know, part of your
51:08bench can make it tough for you when you look at your starting lineup on a week-to-week basis, because if he is getting opportunities, I think he'll produce.
51:17Okay. And then what about in Las Vegas with Naylor?
51:20Why did you, I don't know if you do it, but why do you, I assume, settle on Naylor over Trey Tucker?
51:27Let me just read what ESPN said about that.
51:30The Raiders think Jalen Naylor has more to offer than what he showed in Minnesota, but Trey Tucker is probably the player
51:36Las Vegas says can take the biggest step forward this season.
51:40So, how do you break down their wide receivers?
51:42Yeah, it's interesting because I believe Albert Breer when he was in Las Vegas was saying that Jalen Naylor was the one option of the receiving core.
51:51So, my guess is just based on how these guys are going to perform and throw Jack Besh in there is that
51:57it's going to be a very mixed bag throughout the season because none of them have a very, none of them have
52:04a resume that's worth, you know, holding your hat on.
52:07For Naylor, he had four games last year with at least five targets and two of them, he had 19.5 PPR points per game.
52:15That was in that miserable offensive environment. Obviously, this is a situation where they're looking at it as a blank canvas because
52:21Tucker did some nice things initially after Brock Bowers had the knee injury week one, so like weeks two through six, I
52:28think it was, he was performing well and then when Bowers started to get more involved, you know, we had the Jacoby
52:35Myers traits that kind of threw everything into a little bit of a disarray and the quarterback play was awful.
52:41I don't think Tucker really took advantage of the situation.
52:44So, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I keep referencing the flex draft that I did last week.
52:50I took both of them. There were two of my last four picks, you know, so Jalen Naylor and Trey Tucker, you
52:56know, probably the cheapest friendship strategy you could find.
52:59Maybe the Dolphins guys are up there also if you want to take Caleb Douglas and Malik Washington, but see which one performs well.
53:06See which one's getting targets. See which one has the initial report because it's going to be Kirk Cousins to start the
53:13season that maybe changes when Mendoza takes over, but we keep saying Brock Bowers is going to get fed.
53:19Somebody else is going to be number two, you know, and I think Jalen Naylor has the most upside of the group
53:26based on what they paid him and hopefully money talks here in this case.
53:30So again, not somebody I want to invest heavily in, but when we are talking about late round flyers, it's easy to
53:37gravitate toward one of the Raiders receivers similar to one of the Dolphins receivers because somebody's going to get chances and hopefully produces with them.
53:44Dave, do you have a preference of a Las Vegas wide receiver?
53:48I'd prefer to pass on both, but if I had to pick one, it would be Naylor.
53:53I didn't mind his film. I thought he's got good hands, good balance.
53:57He can win in tight spaces. I thought last year, especially he, he was the byproduct of the scheme that he was
54:04in and the scheme that he's in this year is very similar to the scheme that he's been in his entire career.
54:11So I could very easily see him have a six targets per game and have a bunch of games where he catches
54:17three passes for 70 yards and a touchdown, but he could also have a bunch of games where he catches four passes for 50 yards and no touchdown.
54:26Tucker is being exposed to the scheme. I think the second time in his career and he's just more of like a downfield guy.
54:33I don't know if they're going to change his role all around, but I feel like I can find other players in
54:40the late rounds to carry on my bench ahead of both of these guys because I'm just worried about what the upside really is.
54:47If Bowers is going to get north of seven targets per game, if Gentry is going to get three or four targets
54:54per game, plus they're going to run the ball a lot, it makes me nervous about just how much will be there for Naylor or Tucker.
55:02I think I'm going to let other people draft them.
55:05That being said, if you're in a draft like the flex draft, there's deep benches.
55:10Go ahead and take your shot on either one of them, but Naylor would be the one I would gravitate toward.
55:16Yeah, the thing is, I mean, if you just look at ADP, you probably make a case for so many of the
55:23wide receivers going in this range and we're about to.
55:26It's I guess the question is what are the factors when you're sizing up Jalen Naylor versus Romeo Dobbs and Matthew Golden
55:33and Xavier and Xavier Worthy and Casey Concepcion. What are the factors, Jamie, that makes you lean toward one wide receiver in this late round ADP versus another?
55:41Quarterback and opportunity. You know, so the opportunity for the Raiders guys is amazing.
55:46You know, again, like Bowers, if he gets 140 targets, there's still probably 100 targets for one of these receivers.
55:52So, do you trust Kubiak? Do you trust Cousins?
55:54Do you trust Mendoza? You know, then that starts to compare to Matthew Golden who was a first round talent and, you
56:01know, seemingly going to be on the field a lot and Jordan Love if he throws enough.
56:06You know, that's always been the knock for the Packers guy so I would take a chance on Golden before I take
56:13a chance on Naylor at this point. Now, Dobbs is an interesting one because, you know, he kind of had this Golden
56:20opportunity that got quickly squashed with the A.J. Brown trade and does he kind of just stay in the same spot that
56:27he's been in which is, you know, good quarterback because I think you can make the case if Drake May and Jordan
56:33Love threw the ball the same, we might get some great production out of Jordan Love, we just don't get that.
56:40Does he get to 120 targets where he's kind of just been pegged in that 100 target range?
56:45So, I think there's, that's an even one for me.
56:48If there was more, oh, Jalen Naylor's the guy, I think it would be easy to take him.
56:54Dobbs is going to most likely go first. You know, you look at any ADP, the difference is somewhat startling.
57:00Rankless are a little different, but the ADP tells you most people would take Dobbs.
57:04Who else did you mention? Concepts. Worthy. I mean, Worthy's like a poor man's golden, you know, so similar situation.
57:11First round pick, clearly good quarterback. You know, you hope that he can perform like he did in his rookie campaign.
57:17I think like for Naylor, a better conversation is more the, the rookies that I mentioned, you know, so, and Dave threw
57:24a great one to Stribbling, you know, so Stribbling and Caleb Douglas and Zachary Branch, you know, if you still believe in
57:30Antonio Williams after the dig signing, Jacoby Lane, you know, Cyrus Allen, you know, these guys that are going to have some
57:37chances in most cases they're going to be the number two or the number three guy at best.
57:43I think you're looking at it. That's a good comp because if Naylor is the Raiders receiver you prefer or if Tucker
57:49is the Raiders receiver you prefer, they'll probably get more targets, but the talent is just not the same.
57:55I want to add one other name to this Raiders list and this is one of the problems with Naylor and Trey Tucker.
58:02There's been a lot of buzz in Las Vegas about a rookie named Malik Benson who is a little bit bigger than
58:09Naylor and certainly then he's bigger than Trey Tucker, but he's been making plays and finding time with the starters.
58:15He went to Alabama, then Florida State, and then finished at Oregon and six round pick.
58:20So these cases are rare when they end up being impactful for fantasy.
58:24This is more for people in dynasty leagues. Double check to make sure that Malik Benson is on your waiver wire and
58:31if he is, pick him up because there's an opportunity for him to take a couple of targets away from all the
58:38other wide receivers in Las Vegas and it to me it's just another strike against Naylor or Tucker being ahead of the range that Jamie talked about.
58:46The range that Jamie's talking about with all those other wide receivers to me, that's like round 13 plus and I Naylor's ADP is right around there.
58:54I think that that's fair and if you're looking for a wide receiver that late in your draft, then so be it.
59:01That's usually around the time where I'm trying to find that second tight end that diamond in the rough at running back a second QB.
59:08That's not when I'm looking for another bench wide receiver.
59:11All right, let's finish up one more sleeper for Jamie here.
59:15Malik Willis was one of your sleepers that you talked about earlier, but Tyler Shuck is another one.
59:20Shuck averaged 7.6 yards per attempt in his nine starts last year.
59:24Only 19.3 fantasy points per game because his touchdown rate was pretty low, but it was really impressive.
59:30And what do you like about Tyler Shuck? A couple things.
59:33First off, you know, 20.1 fantasy points per game, six of his final eight games.
59:38His coordinator has a great track record with the quarterbacks that he's worked with and it's a pretty impressive resume when you're
59:44talking about Dak Prescott and one year of Justin Herbert and one year of Jalen Hurts.
59:49All those guys averaged, scored more than 20 fantasy points per game in the years with Kellen Moore.
59:55They averaged 24 points per game during his time as a coordinator there.
59:59So he gets 20 points per game regularly from his quarterback who starts the majority of the time.
60:04They just add a first round rookie in Jordan Tyson.
60:07I think a guy that gets a little bit overlooked, not necessarily what he's going to do on his own, but just another weapon and Oscar Delp.
60:15So another tight end that's going to factor in there.
60:19But Kellen Moore scheme is typically great for quarterbacks.
60:21And then we'll see if he continues to run like we saw at the end of last season.
60:27So that was a fun little wrinkle to Tyler Shuck's game.
60:30So if he can do that, then we're going to add that element and if he can get you maybe 300, 400
60:37yards rushing other projections on Sportsline, if you're watching on YouTube, 327, I think that's fair.
60:42This could be a fun late round quarterback. So very similar to Malik Willis.
60:46You know, I think Dave gave some good names, you know, like, so if you are going to invest in Patrick Mahomes,
60:53which is risky, Bo Nix, which is risky, Jared Goff, and, you know, just maybe the limited ceiling, you know, those type
61:00of guys, if you just wait on the position, I think you got an opportunity here to take a Tyler Shuck, to
61:06take a Malik Willis, guys that have just huge upsides, but very questionable floors because of either lack of a track record
61:13or, you know, in the case of Willis, you know, just maybe a terrible offensive environment, but Shuck was fun last year
61:20and I think he could be a good low-end starter, you know, one of these guys that by the end of the
61:26year we say, oh, I wish I would have taken a chance on him and he could end up being one of
61:33those top 12 guys by the end of the year.
61:36A lot of team name possibilities with Tyler Shuck as well, all Shucks, obviously, but, you know, you get creative with it.
61:43Rapid fire, or let's call this the lightning, lightning round of sleepers.
61:47How likely are you to draft these guys? Dalton Kincaid.
61:50What's the ADP? I mean, these are all pretty late, you know, let's say later than round 10.
61:55If you take two tight ends, he's a good second one to gravitate to.
62:00Agreed. Don't like his matchup against Houston in week one though.
62:03That's a good point. So he better be your second tight end.
62:07Yeah, he's going 130th. Next up is Matthew Golden.
62:09Similar to Jalen Naylor. Good late run fire. I think you'll go ahead of Naylor and I kind of like, I'm starting
62:16to like what I'm hearing out of Green Bay for all their receivers.
62:20Tyrone Tracy Jr. Did I draft Cam Scadaboo? Don't care.
62:23I'll take him anyway. You should want to take him anyway, but if I drafted Scadaboo, I might have to reach a little for Tracy.
62:31It sounds like he's going to be the 1B.
62:34That's exactly what we thought he was going to be.
62:37And he's, he's absolutely worth using a bench spot on.
62:40By the way, you, you briefly mentioned Jaden Reed.
62:42Just one thing that I like is because he's missed a lot of time.
62:4723 games is career with at least five targets, 13 and a half PPR points per game in 15 of those.
62:53So when he gets opportunities, he produces. That's my fault.
62:56Sorry, I skipped him. Rashid Shahid. Love him late.
62:59I would rather have Naylor in that regard, but hopefully Shahid performed much better than he did last year with the Seahawks.
63:06I'm starting to warm up to him over the Raiders guys.
63:09Chris Rodriguez. Yes. He's around 10 pick kind of in that same vein as Tyrone Tracy.
63:14And he's, I mean, I guess not going that much later is going around 11.
63:19But probably being overlooked right now. Chris Rodriguez. Denzel long.
63:22Yeah. Denzel Boston. Thanked out. Also the round 10 range.
63:25I'd rather have Concepcion. I would take Boston over the Raiders receivers would take him over Lemon at this point would take
63:31him over Shahid Dobbs and a bunch of the backup QBs just to take a chance on a perimeter.
63:37I did best earlier with the Concepcion. Like I haven't back to back.
63:41I think Boston is going to score the most touchdowns in this receiver.
63:45But it might be by like one. It might be six touchdowns for Boston and five for Concepcion.
63:51I hope it's not three and two. Tank Dell is the only player on this list of late round sleepers that we're
63:57going to talk about other than James Connor. Tank Dell is the only one who's been awesome at any point for a
64:04full season or a season of awesomeness. Would you rather have Denzel?
64:08Would you rather have Tank Dell or a Raiders or Browns receiver?
64:11The more that Dell continues to practice that issue, he's going to be a pretty significant riser.
64:17Agreed. He's behind both Raiders receivers for now, but you could see that changing.
64:21The problem is opportunities and quarterback. His quarterback, CJ Stroud, we're not huge fans of his.
64:26It's not like he's getting glowing reports. And Nico Collins is there.
64:30Jaden Higgins is another guy who should be mentioned as a possible sleeper.
64:33He's had a great camp for Houston. So how many guys can CJ Stroud truly support in the passing game?
64:40I think the answer is one. I'm hoping it's just one.
64:43Jonah Coleman running back for the Broncos, rookie running back.
64:46We already talked about what Jamie's expectations are if J.K.
64:49Dobbins misses time. James double digit rounds. Love him.
64:52James Connor, if he gets traded, that could be, you know, if you get him, that could be big.
64:58There's there's two players who you're drafting with your last pick just in case they get traded.
65:03Conner's one in case on booty is the other.
65:06And I think there's a better chance for booty to get traded than Connor.
65:10But if you get them both now and see what happens before week one, you'll have a pretty easy decision to make once week one comes around.
65:18You might be cutting Connor and booty. They might be a waste of a pick, but if they end up in better situations, you've got yourself a steal.
65:27Adonai Mitchell's having a nice camp. A lot of talk about him for the Jets.
65:31Malik Washington. Is he the top? Is he the Dolphins receiver you'd pick right now?
65:36No. Yes. Who would you pick, Jamie? Douglas. Greg Dulcich.
65:39Is he the Dolphins tight end you'd pick? Yeah.
65:42Is Dulcich ahead of Douglas for you? No. Douglas ahead of Dulcich.
65:45Okay. I like Washington the best, especially in PPR.
65:48A couple potential handcuffs. Kalon Black and Marshawn Lloyd.
65:51Who's a better pick? Black for the Niners or Lloyd for the Packers?
65:55Lloyd for me over the 49ers, guys. For two reasons.
65:58Number one, he's practicing. And number two, if something happens to Jacobs, which is still within the realm of possibility, this is who's going to replace him.
66:06Yeah. At least to begin the year. Oh, it's so frustrating as I, he has done nothing in his two, two seasons.
66:13He's barely played. He's barely been healthy. And he's on my stinking dynasty team.
66:17And I kind of want to drop him for someone, but I know you can't.
66:22I just, I mean, it could, but you're just helping your opponents.
66:26Yeah. I know. It's just, he was actually my second favorite running back in that class behind Jonathan Brooks and neither of them have done anything, unfortunately.
66:34And then by probably my third favorite, if I'm guessing was probably Trey Benson was a really bad class.
66:40Another guy who could get traded to. We knew it at the time.
66:44Benson. I still, I still think, I mean, when he had like a brief, brief run, it was like one or two games.
66:51I think it was one game. He came through, uh, James Conner got hurt and then Benson got hurt and missed the rest of the season.
66:59I still would love to see opportunities for him.
67:01Yeah. All right. Uh, so the ESPN training camp reports, one other guy, by the way, I'd throw on there is Ray
67:08Davis, like yes, late round pick and something happens to James cook could be a stud.
67:13If you get James cook, you have to get Davis.
67:16Just like if you get Scadaboo, you should, I shouldn't say you have to, but you should make a plan to get,
67:23or just take them anyway, because they could be great for Kansas city and Mike Washington for the Raiders, Washington, especially, it
67:29seems like he's clearly the number two guy. All right.
67:33Uh, so those training camp reports from ESPN, Rashid Shaheed could be a major fact should be a major factor.
67:39I didn't think that was Jeremy Fowler who also said that Seahawks will have two to three running backs involved in the
67:45game plan, but Mike McDonald is impressed with Jadarian price.
67:48The Raiders don't have a set date for Fernando Mendoza's debut.
67:52Uh, Ashton Gentey could be an even bigger part of the passing game this season than he was last season when he had 55 catches.
67:59Easy first round pick at this point. They said, keep an eye on Adonai Mitchell.
68:04The Steelers running backs, another report about Dontavian Wicks being good and he should be a big factor in the passing game for the Eagles.
68:12Denzel Boston has looked very impressive and this was a quote, the Cowboys like second year running back Jadon Blue, but I
68:18don't think he's a threat to Javante Williams workload.
68:21And that is it for our show. It's a mock draft tonight at 7 o'clock p.m.
68:26Eastern. YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. Did we hear from Eddie?
68:29Not yet. And, uh, breakouts tomorrow. Talk to you then.
68:33Have a great day everybody. See ya. Podcasts.
