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Your Biggest Fantasy Football Questions Answered Before Training Camp! (07/17 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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1 hr 4 min

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Jul 17, 2026

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Fri, July 17, 2026

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Breece HallJames CookAmon-Ra St. BrownBijan RobinsonBrian Thomas Jr.CeeDee LambChase BrownChristian McCaffreyChristian WatsonColston LovelandCourtland SuttonDrake MayeJalen HurtsJameson Williams

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Amon-Ra St. Brown

PositiveBreakout0:43

Amon-Ra St. Brown was phenomenal in his second year and is cited as a positive example of a young player who had a strong finish and carried momentum into the following season.

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Bijan Robinson

PositiveValue19:45

Bijon is tier one running back valued at approximately 30% of a $100 salary cap budget.

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Breece Hall

PositiveProjection16:50

Breece Hall is RB14-15 in ADP and going in round three; he's hoped to regain passing game involvement, with the new offensive environment under Frank Reich and Geno Smith expected to improve his ceiling and floor.

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PositiveRole18:05

The Jets offense should improve significantly with Geno Smith replacing Brady Cook, which should raise both the floor and ceiling for Breece Hall's production.

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PositiveUsage18:10

Breece Hall was among the top five running backs in explosive plays last season despite a terrible offense, suggesting upside if the Jets improve.

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NegativeUsage18:50

The Jets were 21st in running back carries in the first three quarters and 29th in the fourth quarter; they had only five goal line carries all season (dead last), with Breece Hall getting just two.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeBust0:43

Brian Thomas Jr. had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was a bust, exemplifying the risk of players who perform well late in the season.

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CeeDee Lamb

NegativeBust0:43

CeeDee Lamb's big finish pushed him to WR1 in ADP the following year, but he ended up as WR9, representing a significant bust relative to expectations.

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Chase Brown

PositiveProjection5:45

Chase Brown averaged 21.6 PPR points per game in the last 10 games of 2024 and 22.3 PPR in six games with Burrow; he outproduced James Cook by at least 1.4 fantasy points per game in every sample.

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Christian McCaffrey

PositiveValue20:15

Christian McCaffrey is mentioned as part of tier two running backs alongside Jonathan Taylor and James Cook for salary cap allocation purposes.

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Christian Watson

NegativeBust0:43

Christian Watson had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was either a slight bust or big bust.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeBust0:42

Despite strong end-of-season and playoff performance, Loveland carries bust risk similar to recent examples like Brian Thomas Jr., Malik Neighbors, Jerry Judy, and Ladd McConkie who had big finishes but failed to carry momentum into the next season.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeBust0:43

Cortland Sutton had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was a bust, exemplifying the risk of players who perform well late in the season.

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Drake Maye

PositiveValue0:39

Drake May is presented as a keeper option in the 13th round but is not recommended over Jameer Gibbs in a shallow 10-team keeper league.

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Jalen Hurts

PositiveProjection0:43

Jalen Hurts is mentioned in passing as part of a discussion about JSN (Jalen Hurts' teammate) being phenomenal in his third year.

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James Cook

PositiveProjection4:20

Cook led the league in rushing last year and with more involvement in the passing game, he has strong upside; McDermott's departure and Carmichael's arrival could unleash him further.

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PositiveBreakout4:55

Cook could finish as RB1 this year based on McDermott's departure, full offensive unleashing, and increased passing game usage with Carmichael's coaching arrival in Buffalo.

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Jameson Williams

NegativeBust0:43

Jamison Williams had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was a bust, exemplifying the risk of players who perform well late in the season.

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Jayden Reed

NegativeBust0:43

Jaden Reed had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was either a slight bust or big bust.

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Jerry Jeudy

NegativeBust0:43

Jerry Judy had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was a bust, exemplifying the risk of players who perform well late in the season.

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Jonathan Taylor

PositiveValue20:15

Jonathan Taylor is mentioned as part of tier two running backs alongside Christian McCaffrey and James Cook for salary cap allocation purposes.

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Marvin Mims

NegativeBust0:43

Marvin Mims is cited as the worst example of a player with a big finish who failed to carry momentum, having been drafted at 152nd in ADP the following year before busting.

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Rashee Rice

PositiveBreakout0:42

Rasheed Rice was phenomenal down the stretch in his rookie year regular season and has been great ever since breaking out, despite a limited playoff sample size.

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Tyler Warren

PositiveValue0:39

Tyler Warren is presented as a keeper option in the 11th round but is not recommended over Jameer Gibbs in a shallow 10-team keeper league.

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Zay Flowers

NegativeBust0:43

Zay Flowers had a big finish and ADP boost the following year but was either a slight bust or big bust.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports What a play!

0:03Can you believe this? It's time to dominate your fantasy league Off to the races!

0:07And he stays on his feet! He's just gonna go the distance!

0:11Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath On the, oh wait, I mean, it's mailbag time!

0:16Oh, I can't believe I screwed up the intro, I forgot Trying to be all professional here, but it is mailbag time

0:22It is Thursday, July 16th, you might be hearing this on Friday the 17th or after Welcome to the show, Adam, Jamie

0:29and Dan Schneier here To recap FSGA a little bit, the conference Dan and I attended last week But mostly to answer

0:35your emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com That's the letter I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com We also have the Fantasy Cops coming on later today And hey Dan, welcome back, what's up?

0:42What's going on? Happy to be back here, always happy to be on FFT with you two gentlemen This is the first

0:48time you guys have seen each other since the trip?

0:51Yeah, actually It was a long, long 72 hours together It was And I don't know why our rooms were right next

0:57to each other Directly next to each other Joining your rooms?

1:01It could have been Almost It could have been It was weird But we did learn some interesting things just about the

1:07industry Yeah And Man, the amount of people that play fantasy football, you know Just tell them to start listening to podcasts

1:13more There's a big audience out there But What's the most fascinating thing that you learned?

1:18Oh, great question There was some cool AI stuff Yeah, definitely on the AI front I'm trying to remember some of the

1:24stats we saw There was a presentation about the overlap between fantasy players and gamblers And gambling, yeah With 9.2 I think

1:30it was like 9.2 million people played fantasy last year Is that what it was?

1:34No, no, it was like 56 million people in America No, 9.2 was the combination, the overlap maybe Of who played fantasy

1:41and who gambled I think it was more than that I think it was about 50% of fantasy Yeah Yeah, I don't

1:47know There's a lot of people About 50% of the population It's hard to remember the stats Jamie just put us on

1:53the spot It was hard But there's a really big overlap And the fact that 56 million people in America alone Not

1:59even Canada Which has a lot Played fantasy football last year Is pretty cool But I don't know if it was like

2:05Have placed a single bet Or more than one But the number of people who gambled Was like 69 million And for

2:12those listening Me and Adam found a few I think gonna be really fun Really exciting people Who are gonna be willing

2:18to do FFT Open Leagues this year So just a heads up For those of you who joined us last year And helped us And donated to St.

2:26Jude And our draft-a-thon cause We're gonna have the FFT Open again And we're gonna have a lot of fun People in

2:32the industry Who are hosting leagues So I'm excited for that Did you ask Matt Harmon yet?

2:37I did talk to Matt And he's willing to do it He said If Adam had asked me alone I would have

2:43said no I did ask him alone You're already And he said no Thankfully our relationship That dates back 11 years Me

2:49and Matt Harmon To Hot Cakes and Hot Takes Our first show on live on YouTube Me and him Which I saw

2:56video evidence of the other day And it was not pretty Secured this one So yeah You're welcome What was it called?

3:02Hot Takes and Hot Cakes We did a morning show Me and Matt Harmon Before he was anything Before I had done

3:08anything In the fantasy industry And it was bad to look back on We looked ridiculous All right Let's get into the

3:14show And I did ask him by the way And he said yes to me Without you being there So anyway That's

3:20just one of the guys That's gonna be in the FFT Open this year All right First email comes from Team Blind

3:27Man's Luck I have picked number nine Oh Type of Blind Man's Luck I have picked number nine And it's a full PPR league Twelve teams Unless St.

3:35Brown Falls to me at nine I'm most likely going running back I really want to take Chase Brown But can you

3:41make a case Why I should take Brown Over James Cook And if McCaffrey Falls to me at nine Am I stupid

3:47for not taking him Over Chase Brown Or James Cook This is a 15 year listener Jamie So you have to give

3:53him good advice So it's James Cook Over AJ Brown Or Chris McCaffrey Over both No Chase Brown Chase Brown Chase Brown

4:00Or AJ Brown Where did AJ Brown come from I don't know I heard AJ Brown Chase Brown or James Cook And

4:06Chris McCaffrey Over both Yeah Okay I would take McCaffrey over both Because If he's healthy Nobody does what he does And

4:12The hope would be Is that we're not getting A four game season From McCaffrey You have to Be a little bit

4:18concerned About injury risk After 450 touches In the playoffs Including the playoffs And 30 years old now But You know We

4:24Remember the four game season From two years ago I think if you get Ten plus games From McCaffrey He can still

4:31justify Being a first round selection I like Cook better than Brown I just think that there's More rushing potential There for

4:37James Cook Led the league in rushing Last year And if he gets more involved In the passing game I think it'll

4:43be better Than Chase Brown as well So Love both But I would take Cook over Brown So for me It's McCaffrey

4:49Cook Brown It's Yeah It's the same thing for me It's McCaffrey Cook Brown Though I did hear a great case From

4:56Theo Gremminger Shout out Beyond the box score show That's going to drop Tomorrow A little shameless plug Here Adam You'll have

5:02to listen to this And deal with it We did an excellent episode Talking about breakout League winning running backs And he

5:08made a really good case For how James Cook Could actually end up Finishing RB1 this year And he's kind of that

5:14Outlier Or that kind of dark horse To do it And it's essentially based on The fact that McDermott's gone It's going

5:20to be The full offense They're going to be able To kind of unleash it And just the upside Of using him

5:27more In the passing game With Carmichael coming over To that coaching staff In Buffalo It's very intriguing So I'm higher on

5:33Cook Than I was before that episode Okay I would take Cook Over Chase Brown Also because I just think He's a

5:39better player But here's Why you And I would take McCaffrey But here's why You could take Chase Brown James Cook averaged

5:4518.1 PPR points Per game last year Take away week 18 He didn't play much there 19.2 points per game For James

5:52Cook That's fantastic Chase Brown In the last 10 games Of the season Last year though He crushed that He averaged 21.6

5:58He averaged 22.3 points per game In six games With Joe Burrow He was boosted A little bit By the absences Of T.

6:04Higgins In two of those games So if you just look At the five games That Chase Brown Played with Higgins And

6:11Burrow He averaged 22.6 points per game If you look at Weeks 9 through 17 Of 2024 Chase Brown Averaged 20.6 points

6:17Per game In every sample I gave you He is at least 1.4 fantasy points Better than James Cook Per game last

6:23year Even removing Week 18 From James Cook So it's not If you want to take him If you feel conviction About

6:29it There's plenty Of evidence To do it You can If you want to Take both Well he That's the thing He

6:35doesn't think Chase Brown Is going to make it Back to him In the second round That's why He wants to take

6:42I don't think James Cook Will make it back To him In the second round So there's a better Chance of Chase

6:48Brown Making it back To him Alright this Question is from Zach I don't think I promoted The airing of Grievances much

6:54But that's going To happen soon We're going to Hear some Grievances Zach says What defensive Positioning group Do you believe Will

7:00be an easy Target for Offenses this Year For example Last year's Miami Dolphins Run defense And Cincinnati Bangles against Tight ends

7:07Sure I'll start with Throwing one out There that I Really think is Going to be a Big one for Fantasy matters

7:13Especially in the Second half The Bucks Secondary They have built Out a pretty Good defensive Line and edge Group and they

7:19Should continue In Bulls System Todd Bulls Doesn't be like A funnel in The run game That funnels To the passing But

7:25those DBs are really Bad entering The season And with injuries They're likely To get worse I feel like That's going to

7:32Be one that We look at And talk about A lot in the Middle toward End of the Season I think the

7:38Browns defense Will certainly Be much more Vulnerable Without Myles Garrett There I know Jared versus A good player But he's not

7:44Myles Garrett And so that Passing The past Defense while They do have Some quality Players in The secondary You're losing Jim

7:50Schwartz You're losing Myles Garrett That defense Was once very Tough and a Tough opponent For us to Play players Against Confidently

7:56That's a big Difference right Now Yeah the Dolphins are Going to be Horrible I Think at Everything Sharp football Analysis has

8:03The Dolphins With the Worst secondary In the NFL Going into The year Commanders Second Raiders Third Giants Fourth Cardinals Fifth The

8:09Dolphins Also have the Worst front seven According to Sharp football Analysis With the Cardinals Also in the Bottom five There The

8:15Falcons And the Bears And the Saints Round out The bottom Five So Throwing Running on The Dolphins Throwing on And running

8:21On the Cardinals Probably I think The Giants Secondary Is horrible But their Pass rush Might be so Good That it Could

8:28compensate The Raiders Should be Pretty easy To throw Against Washington Should be Easy to Throw Against As far As tight Ends

8:34Go That's a Tough One There's Always One Team That Kind Of Emerges And Sometimes That team Is Really Good Against Wide

8:40Receivers And That's Why They're So bad Against Tight Ends Actually The Bengals Last Year Were A Decent Example Of That They

8:46Had A Shutdown Corner And They Might Be Better Against The Run This Funnier Thing Is The Background The Headphones Lack Of

8:53Microphone And The Glasses Which I No Longer Need Thanks To LASIK What's Wrong With The Background Look At It From My

8:59Room Some That's The Same Apartment No No No No That That was Doing Just For Those Who Don't Know This Is

9:05My Idea I Said We'll Call it The Airing Of Grievances So I Want The Credit For That Adam And I Said

9:11But during that trip, Adam did some weird things and I did some weird things.

9:15We're going to air all our grievances with each other from our FSGA trip.

9:19So that's just to set the tone. Adam, I'll give you the floor.

9:23You can start it off. Mine aren't all grievances, by the way.

9:26There's weird things I saw you do. Yeah, true.

9:29Airing of grievances is a Seinfeld reference from the Festivus episode, which is very famous.

9:33Yeah, I mentioned this one on the end of the wide receiver, the tight end tier show.

9:38Let me just read it exactly. Dan used own fork for family style serving.

9:42Used his own fork that had been in his mouth to serve the vegetables.

9:46Yes, it had to serve the vegetables on the table at the family style meal.

9:50And the context I didn't give, to be fair, was that nobody was eating the vegetables and it didn't have a serving spoon.

9:57But Dan absolutely 100% used his own used fork to serve the vegetables onto his own plate.

10:02A few things to note about this. One, there was a lack of serving spoons in general, would you say, throughout that dinner?

10:08Sure, but there were other serving spoons that you easily could have used.

10:12No, there were not. Two, it was toward the end of the meal when I saw the vegetables had been untouched and

10:18they were pickled vegetables and I wanted them. So I got them out there.

10:22But to be fair, my fork did not touch a single vegetable that I didn't end up eating and it did not

10:28touch a single vegetable that was left in that tray of vegetables.

10:32It only got, it only got, I'm sorry though, that I wasn't eating.

10:35It only got touched on the ones that I was eating.

10:38And then after I put it back untouched, the vegetables that were left in there were untouched.

10:43No one even touched them or ate them. No one was eating those vegetables.

10:47That's understandable though. Yeah, seriously. No, no, no. This was the end of the dinner, Jamie.

10:52I'll be honest. I'll be honest. It was a no harm, no foul offense, but it was still, I think, bad etiquette.

10:58I don't know what else I could have done.

11:00I could have tried that. What I was thinking is, should I dump the tray on?

11:05And that would have been even. You could have used another serving spoon.

11:09Yeah, you could have used another serving spoon. There were none in the area, Jamie.

11:13Yes, there were. Bro, there were 10 plates on the table.

11:16There were nine serving spoons. They were not. All right, let's go ahead.

11:20Your first grievance. Well, now you're going that hard, Dom.

11:23I have to look through my list. I was going to say some nice things.

11:27Let's take a look. Okay, I'll start with this one.

11:30We're at the bar. You know, we actually had a great dinner with some Fantasy Football Today listeners.

11:35And shout out to those guys who came out to us, came out to visit us, had dinner with us, drove out.

11:41There was a great time. What did you say?

11:44What are their names? We had Joe. Who I remember.

11:46This is BS by you, Jamie. I'm bad with names and it's been a long time since that.

11:51You shouted them out. You got to give their name.

11:54I know. Why am I not remembering names here?

11:57We had. I remember Joe for sure. I remember all of them, but I just doing that with Sean.

12:02Okay. And now I'm going to be feel bad that I forgot the last name.

12:06And I'm picturing him in my mind and I'm just bad with names.

12:10But that's not important here. The important part of the story is they all had a great order and then it gets

12:16up to Adam and he goes full Larry David on his order.

12:20He orders a burger and it's like that scene from Scurb Your Enthusiasm where Larry David orders the Cobb salad.

12:25It was like, hold the bacon, hold the blue, no bacon, no blue cheese.

12:29And basically every ingredient in the Cobb salad is at once.

12:32So he's like, can I get the Tavern burger?

12:35But no bacon, no bacon jam. I want no lettuce, but you can put a tomato on there and some cheese.

12:41This is one patty. One patty. It's supposed to be a double patty.

12:45He's like, and I want one patty. I mean, it was a little bit of a particular order, but this is such a bad grievance.

12:52You could have done better than this. This is what you came out swinging with.

12:56Come on, man. It was. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, go on.

12:59Go on. Joe, Sean and Jeremy, by the way, were the three guys we met up with.

13:04Yes, I forgot. I was going to say Jeremy, but my bad, Jeremy.

13:08I've never seen that Cobb salad scene, but it sounds very funny.

13:11No, basically they had two burger options on their menu.

13:14One of them was like bacon, fried egg and all this stuff.

13:17I didn't want that. The other one was a double cheeseburger with some other stuff.

13:21I was like, I just want one patty, cheese and tomato.

13:25That's all. Oh, no. I like mushrooms and onions.

13:27I just made my own. I made my own burger.

13:30Big deal. You made your own burger. Big deal.

13:32You could have just made your own burger, though, instead of ordering a specific Tap House Tavern burger.

13:38Everyone else had just a simple order. I want the burger and that's it.

13:42So far, Adam is winning in the airing of the group.

13:45You know, I don't even have any. This is going to be bad.

13:48I'm looking through it. There's nothing good in here.

13:51It's just a little thing. I'm going to give you a bonus one.

13:55He goes, Jamie, you want to talk about the grievances from the trip?

13:58How about before the trip even started? We go through this whole thing about how I'm going to pick up Dan.

14:04I'm going to drive halfway, get to Dan's house, pick him up and drive the other half.

14:09He didn't offer to drive or anything like that.

14:12One hour before I'm about to leave, he calls me up and says, you know, I think it might be better if

14:18you just take your own car and I'll just take my own car.

14:21One hour before I'm about to leave in Carpool Hibby, he tells me that now I have to drive two and a

14:28half hours by myself because he wanted, he's like, I got something on Friday afternoon.

14:32I think it's probably just better if I take my own car.

14:35He's going on. I'm like, Dan, just tell me that it's golf.

14:39I can tell that it's golf. So he almost made me drive the full way by myself to get to his golf game on Friday.

14:46I was able to convince him not to do that.

14:49Super selfish. Did you play or no? They ended up playing later that Friday?

14:53Yeah, you did, right? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I did.

14:55But I just didn't know. I also just wanted to make sure that we were going to get there on time because

15:02he was, he had a tough day Friday where he had to get back to pick up his son.

15:07So it was a lot. There's a lot going on Friday before that tennis match.

15:11But yeah, that's a good grievance from you. I still think it's ridiculous.

15:15I ordered to, I mean, I offered to pay for gas.

15:18You said no. I tried to make it up for you by buying lunch or breakfast.

15:23You didn't care. I don't think you should have to, I offered to drive.

15:27You don't want me to drive your own car.

15:29And so somebody actually in the chat or I think this was on Twitter did a great job of Azerstatting this.

15:35Honestly, I drove all the maximum amount of miles that you allowed me to drive.

15:39So essentially I drove every possible mile of that trip from Azerstat version of this because listen, you wouldn't let me drive your car.

15:46I didn't know I had to drive my car that has a problem on it, by the way.

15:51It has that little notice that you need to take it in.

15:55I was willing to drive it if I had to, but you know what?

15:59That's right. He said he couldn't, he couldn't drive halfway because his car was, his car had issues.

16:04I didn't know when you offered to drive, you have to offer to then drive your own car.

16:09I was offering to drive your car. I don't want you to drive my car.

16:13All right, we're going to take a break. Come back and talk about Brees Hall after this on Fantasy Football Today.

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16:48Getting. Question about Brees Hall from Austin. I don't understand the appeal for Brees Hall at this point.

16:53He's had back-to-back years of disappointment on a bad team where game script and other running backs on his team could be a real problem.

17:00P.S. Adam, I feel like you're just too nice to beat Dan in tennis.

17:04It would crush him. Jamie, Brees Hall is RB14 in Fantasy Pros ADP, RB15 in CBS ADP.

17:09I think he was RB21 last year overall. He's going to the third round.

17:13Is he going too early? It's the range for him.

17:16I would prefer him in round four. I think the thing that you're hoping for for Brees Hall is the role in

17:22the passing game because that's really what disappeared last season.

17:25So the offense as a whole should be better.

17:27I think Frank Reich as the offense coordinator and Geno Smith as the quarterback will be a better pairing than what Brees Hall dealt with last year.

17:35Plus, you have better weapons around him. You know, the addition of Adnan Mitchell late in the season, Omar Cooper, Kenyon Sadiq, healthy Garrett Wilson.

17:42Like, just the environment should be better. That being said, it's still going to be a bad team.

17:47It's still going to be a bad offense in general.

17:50It's just a matter of how good can Brees Hall be.

17:53I just think if he can get back involved as a pass catcher, he'll probably score in the neighborhood of five to eight total touchdowns at best.

18:01That should help him. But if he's going to be a sub-40 catch guy, it's going to be tough to trust him.

18:07I like the fact that if you actually look back on it, specifically last season, Brees Hall was up there among the top five running backs in explosives.

18:15Like, he was creating explosive plays on a really bad offense.

18:18And the expectation this year, hopefully, is that Geno Smith can level that offense.

18:22I just can't imagine it would be worse or it's possible to be worse than it was with Brady Cook.

18:27Is that his name? The Missouri quarterback? Always forget it.

18:30Yeah. It's so meaningless. He's not going to play in the NFL much longer.

18:34I don't think. He was horrific. He was horrific at the position.

18:38And that's the thing. That's important to note. Like, he brought that offense down so much, he destroyed the ceiling or even the floor for Brees Hall.

18:45So, I think just any level of competence and Geno brings that as bad as he is now will definitely raise the floor and ceiling for Brees Hall.

18:53The Jets were 21st in running back carries in the first three quarters of games.

18:57They were 29th in the fourth quarter. So, they never got to run the ball, really, in the fourth quarter.

19:03They had five goal line carries all season long, which ranked dead last.

19:07And Brees Hall had only two of them. But they've actually been 30th or worse in goal line carries in each of the last three seasons.

19:14It's been really bad, but hopefully, it should be better.

19:17And Brees Hall- You just got to see if what Aaron Glenn wants comes to fruition with Bray and Alan getting more work.

19:24Yeah. All right. This is from Andrew. When you talk about tiers, it would be great if you could publish a list

19:30of salary cap percentage that those tiers would roughly coincide with.

19:33I know it's impossible to do live, but a guide we could download would be great.

19:37So, let's actually try to do it. I think that's a good call.

19:41Running back or receiver, Jamie? Pick a position. Let's go running backs.

19:44Okay. Okay. So, let's say $100 budget. Or you could just give percentages.

19:48But $100 budget. McCaffrey, I mean, Gibbs and Bijon are tier one.

19:52What is the range in budget there? 30% for each guy.

19:5530. I think- How high would you be willing to go for Gibbs?

19:5835. I don't think I would ever pay that.

20:01I equate it to a $200 budget. I'm probably maxing out at 60, so maybe 30 for me.

20:06Okay. Tier two. Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, James Cook.

20:09That's usually- Yeah, that's- Oh. Yeah, I usually think that's more of the 20 to 25 range.

20:13Okay. It all depends how you want to play your auctions, though.

20:17Exactly, yeah. In the sense of studs and duds, or if you want to try to build a more balanced roster out.

20:23Tier three, Chase Brown, A-Chan. Let's call these guys the late round one to late round two picks.

20:28Chase Brown, A-Chan, Ken Walker, Hampton, Gentee, Barkley, Henry.

20:3115 to 20. Oh, that's super cheap. Isn't it?

20:33Am I crazy? I mean, it's a sliding scale, right?

20:36I think so. But if you're saying like 17 bucks for Barkley and 25-ish for Taylor, you think that seems normal?

20:42Like that seems in line out of a $100 budget?

20:45Yeah. If you remove the names and you just talk about RB3 versus RB12, like that's about what they go for.

20:51Makes me want to take RB12 in that case.

20:53Well, that's what Dan's point is. Like you want to go studs and duds, or do you want to go more balanced?

21:00So you'd take two of those guys. Well, I just think everyone in tier three, Chase Brown, Devon, A-Chan, Walker, Hampton, Gentee,

21:06Barkley, Henry, could easily outscore Cook and Taylor, right?

21:08Like they're still phenomenal players with that potential. And that range is so good this year at running back in my mind,

21:15that like five through 12 range, let's just say it cuts off at maybe Henry.

21:19That honestly, a case can be made. This is a bad year to go studs and duds and auction because you're going

21:25to have every year, no matter what, those top guys do cost a considerable amount more than the next tier of guys.

21:31And you're probably going to get, you know, like five and 12 for the same price as Gibbs or Bijon.

21:37I think though you've got to sort of limit the amount of players you call studs.

21:41Yeah. I was like, if you're doing this, you're doing it for probably the top two running backs, the top three wide

21:48receivers, and maybe another handful of guys at most that qualify for this.

21:51For that. Yeah. Okay. Tier four is Josh Jacobs, Kyron Williams, and Jeremiah Love.

21:5512 to 15. That's fair. Jacobs has the potential certainly to move into the 15 to 20.

22:00I would say Love does as well. Okay. If you look at it, interesting love stat that I saw that I think is just great.

22:07Out of all the top 10 picks in the NFL draft of the running back position, there's been like seven of them.

22:13It's been like Leonard Fournette, Bijon Robinson, Saquon Barkley.

22:16The only one who finished outside the top 10 in fantasy points per game in his rookie year was Gente last year, and he was still RB 11.

22:24And that was probably the bottom out case for a situation for rookie running back.

22:28I know Love's situation is not good or great, but I don't think it could be as bad as that.

22:34The Raiders offense line was a stone worse than the NFL by far last year.

22:38He was hit behind the line of scrimmage more than any back in the NFL.

22:42I believe it was for Gente. And Love has a receiving profile that Gente doesn't really offer.

22:47So the reality is, I think there's a good chance that we're all kind of undervaluing love right now.

22:52You usually don't see a pick like this drafted outside the top 10 in ADP in his rookie year.

22:58I think he's outside the top 15 right now in ADP at running back, falling pretty much every day.

23:03I just feel like that's a good bet to make.

23:06And I haven't been in on Love the all offseason, but now I'm coming around based on kind of the game theory

23:12side of it, for me at least. There is one other name, though, that did not.

23:17What was it? Top 10 per game? Yeah. McCaffrey.

23:19I thought McCaffrey fit into that. I have to look at that again.

23:23He did not. He was about the 13th. Then maybe that was the one that they didn't include.

23:28Who did you say? No, because Gente didn't either.

23:31On a per game basis, they were both about 13 to 15 per game.

23:35No, Gente was 11. Overall? There's no way. Yeah, overall I'm talking about.

23:38Yeah. Okay. Overall? A place per game, he was worth.

23:41Overall, McCaffrey was ninth. Yeah. Yeah. It was on overall.

23:44Per game. McCaffrey only had 117 catches. Part of that is the volume aspect of it and the fact that if you're

23:50drafting, if you're a team that drafts or running back inside the top 10, you're going to feature them, especially toward the

23:56end of the year when your team stinks and you want to sell tickets, you want to do something for the fans, in my mind at least.

24:04Yeah. All right. And then let's get a few more tiers in their dollar values here.

24:09Tier, we get to like the round four running backs.

24:11Tier five, Javante, Breeze Hall, Scadaboo, Travis Etienne, Achan, Quinchon Judkins, DeAndre Swift, and David Montgomery.

24:16Eight to 12? Yeah. That's a fair range. I would say even cheaper, usually you're going to get them for.

24:22That's the point of all. Like these guys never end up going in that range in auctions or at least one or

24:28two of them will fall out into that five to eight range.

24:31And one more tier, tier six, Bucky Irving, Basil Tootin, Chuba Hubbard, Tony Pollard, Travion Henderson.

24:36Five to eight. Yeah. I'm surprised. I'm surprised to hear Bucky in that tier, but yeah, sure.

24:41Why? He's ahead of that for you? For me, by a lot.

24:44He's a tricky one. Why do you like him?

24:47I think I was trying to think of today, like the closest case last year, my big call at running back was James Cook.

24:53It was on our flag plan show and that was the guy I was all in on.

24:58So I think who's the closest bet to that.

25:01And part of why Cook was so devalued last year in ADP last August was we don't know what his red zone

25:07is going to roll is going to be. They take a lot of different backs on the field.

25:12He doesn't have a huge snap share. He's not a third.

25:15It's either third down back. He comes off on third downs.

25:18All those things were used against Cook to keep his ADP down last year.

25:22And those are the exact same arguments against Bucky.

25:25But if you look at 2024 data, Bucky was one of the best running backs in football.

25:30Yards after contact per attempt. Forced missed tackle. These were all top five metrics.

25:34Some of them were like historic levels with the 4.03 yards after contact per attempt.

25:38And I just look at the explosive plays he can create.

25:41Reminds me similar to James Cook. So if some of those touchdowns that like go away in the red zone or weren't

25:47there for Cook in the red zone over his few years turn into these 20, 30, 40 yard touchdown runs like we saw from Cook.

25:54Bucky's going to maybe fit that mold. I also think the offense is going to be a lot better.

26:00The Bucks were one of two teams with the Chargers that have like no snaps together with their starting offensive line because of injuries.

26:06They're going to be healthy. Baker Mayfield played hurt.

26:09That whole offense I think takes a big jump forward with Zach Robinson.

26:13And I think he fits Zach Robinson's run blocking scheme really well.

26:16So there's just a lot for me to like with Bucky.

26:19And the negatives are there. The red zone role and the passing down role.

26:23But I think those might be overstated a bit when it comes to just bringing down a finish profile, especially for a

26:29running back who's drafted outside the top 20 in his position.

26:32That's a pretty good case. I do worry about that.

26:35I do wonder about that sometimes where we – I think it's a little more relevant for Brees Hall than Bucky Irving

26:41because both of them – Because their offense sucks.

26:44Yeah. Well, no. Well, I was going to say like with both of those guys, you know, you're like, all right, this is a lead back.

26:51Brees Hall with the Jets. Bucky Irving with the Bucks.

26:54But you've got a third down back in Kenneth Gainwell.

26:57You've got a goal line back in Sean Tucker potentially.

27:00With Brees Hall, you've got a third down back in Isaiah Davis.

27:03You've got potentially a goal line back in Braylon Allen.

27:06I think the guys on Tampa Bay are better than the guys on the Jets though.

27:11By a lot. Yeah. Right. So that's kind of a ding against Bucky Irving.

27:15But I do wonder – We're saying the running backs.

27:17I thought you meant the supporting cast. No, the competition and running back.

27:21Yeah. Yeah. Brees Hall is right. He really – he may not be the third down back, but he really shouldn't come

27:27off the field that much of Braylon Allen. But Kenneth Gainwell is like a really good player.

27:32You know, Kenneth Gainwell is going to play. He's a good player.

27:36Yeah. They signed Gainwell for a reason. He's going to take the passing down role.

27:40And I think some people are saying in the chat, look, Tucker will take the red zone role.

27:45I would think that's most of the red zone role because the fact of the matter is – and I think you

27:51or Dave brought this up to me on a show recently, Adam.

27:55Before the injury last year, Bucky Irving, not only his work was trending up overall from a snap share standpoint, he was

28:01really well used in the passing game. He was kind of really good as a receiver.

28:05He was ninth best, I believe, in the past two seasons at yards per out run at the running back position for receiving.

28:12I just don't think they're going to take him off the field as much as people think.

28:17It's similar to the Cook thing. When he's your best back, and he is by far in my mind of those three,

28:23I think he's going to get more work than people assume.

28:26Seventh in yards per out run over the last two seasons.

28:29Okay. There it is. So good in the passing game.

28:32Okay. Let's go to our next one. And this is just kind of a funny one from a fellow irked Adam.

28:38I get the names that we give certain stats.

28:40It makes sense and the entire industry is on board.

28:43Though Green Zone is a CBS exclusive. That I don't know if it's true, but that'd be cool.

28:48I imagine that it bugs Adam that red zone targets count from where the ball is snapped, but end zone targets count from where the receiver is targeted.

28:56It does bother me. It bothers me a lot.

28:59There's nothing you can do about it, right? Because we can't count end zone snaps as balls that were snapped from the end zone.

29:06But it is a very different stat because you can have an end zone target from 40 yards out.

29:11And that ball could be – that does not count as a red zone or a green zone stat.

29:16Yeah. So anyway. Also, I was looking at like targets of three or fewer air yards.

29:21And I think if a guy runs a route like 10 yards downfield and the ball is batted down at the line

29:27of scrimmage, I think that actually counts as a target of three or fewer air yards.

29:32Right. So stats can be a little deceiving sometimes.

29:34All right. Here's one from Dean. Jamie, this is a question about – and we'll do grievance after this, but this is a question about teammates.

29:42He uses the word tandems, but he's talking about Puka and Devante, St.

29:45Brown and JMO, et cetera. Which tandem players do you think are worth the premium price tag?

29:50And which would you rather take the discount in the bargain department?

29:53So that could be Kyron and Coram, whatever it is.

29:56We're talking running backs or teammates in general? Yeah.

29:59I would say receiver, receiver, receiver or running back, running back.

30:02Okay. So the premiums would be Lamb and Pickens, Chase and Higgins.

30:05No, I think he's saying like within the tandem.

30:08Yeah. Which tandem is the better value, the premium guy?

30:11Oh, gotcha. Yeah. And which value is – which tandem is the better value in the discounted guy?

30:16So I guess that would be – like I'd rather have Puka than Adams.

30:20Is that what you're getting at? At cost. At cost.

30:23It's getting at. At cost. Okay. Like I'd rather have Chase at cost than Higgins even though Chase could be the number – Yes.

30:29I'd rather have Puka at cost than Adams. I'd rather have – I'd rather have Lamb at cost this year than Pickens.

30:36I'd rather have Lamb at cost than Pickens. I'd rather have Jefferson at cost than Addison.

30:40I'd rather have – I don't know how far down you want to go with this.

30:45I'd rather have Ibuka than Godwin even though that's a close one.

30:48Right. That is a close one. I would rather have Pittman and Josh Downs than the guys that are going ahead of them.

30:55At cost. At cost. At cost, yeah. How about St.

30:57Brown versus Jamison Williams? I'd rather have St. Brown.

31:00I love Luther Burden but I'd rather have Romo Dunze at cost than Burden because I think they're close.

31:05Okay. I think I'd rather have Mike Evans than Pearsall despite the cost for Pearsall being so cheap.

31:10I love Evans this year. I'd agree with that.

31:13Trying to think of the other fun ones that we might have missed.

31:17The Pickens-Lamb one is interesting because it's really just you have to pick one of them.

31:21Right. I mean I suppose you could take Lamb in the first and Pickens in the second.

31:26But you know where their ADPs are you just have to pick your favorite one.

31:30Right. I'd rather have that's a good one from Pops.

31:33I'd rather have Ladd McConkie than Quentin Johnson even though I like both.

31:37Wandale Robinson versus Carnell Tate? Wandale for sure. I'd rather have Wandale cost.

31:40I'd rather be straight up. You'd rather have Wandale straight up?

31:44For PPR leagues, yeah. Once a giant always a giant.

31:46No, it's just they sign him for $80 million and he plays the slot role in Dable's offense.

31:51Like what are we doing here? I'd rather have a lot.

31:55I'd rather have. This is a tough one. Alave Tyson.

31:57Tyson's so cheap. I'd rather have Parker Washington than Brian Thomas Jr.

32:01Their costs are almost the same though. Yep. So you'd rather just.

32:04What about Marv? This is a good one from Pop Soda.

32:07Marv or Wilson? I'd rather have Marv. I think so too.

32:10The splits with Marvin Wilson are bad and I love Wilson as a player.

32:14The splits are bad for both of them though in the second half of the season.

32:19True. But the splits with Harrison on the field are not good for Wilson.

32:23But that. But. But OK. Here's the thing about that.

32:26It's like Michael Wilson wasn't anything when Marvin Harrison was on the field until Harrison got hurt.

32:31When he had finally broken out and established himself, they basically had the same target share.

32:35But. But. Yeah. I mean Marvin Harrison was definitely the guy more so than than Wilson like for the half of a

32:41game that he would play when he came back.

32:44Mm hmm. I just don't want Marvin Harrison. I don't really want either guy.

32:48So if I'm going to waste a pick, I'd rather waste like a ninth round pick than a sixth round pick.

32:54Fair. All right. Let's go to our next question here.

32:57Let's go to another grievance. You want to go first this time?

33:00Can you actually have a good one? Well, most of what I have are just quirks that you have written down.

33:06But I did save one big and I'll get to all your quirks at some point.

33:10But I did save one big grievance that I was going to break for the end.

33:15But I'll bring it out now because you brought out that ridiculous one that I'm mad you read on air and I still don't stand by.

33:22I didn't touch anyone else's food. I used it and made sure I only got the stuff on my plate.

33:28But anyway, I invite Adam. We go to play tennis.

33:31We come back from the trip and I invite Adam up to my parents country.

33:35Basically country club. It's called Orange Lawn. It's a beautiful place.

33:38They just became members last year. They're new to the club.

33:41They had my brother's wedding there. Great place. They're trying to, you know, get in nicely there.

33:46Adam, we're about to start the match. My dad and my mom are playing tennis on another court next to us.

33:52And they're rallying. They're about to have fun. And I was like, wait, wait, wait.

33:56I need a towel. So my dad has to like go inside to the pro shop and get Adam a towel.

34:02Because obviously like Adam's like, no, no, don't do it.

34:05Don't do it. But like my dad's not going to not do it once he's asked to do it.

34:10Like, you know, like he wants to be a nice guy.

34:14So he goes and does it. So they stopped.

34:16Why couldn't either one of you go get the towel yourself?

34:19We were pretty far away. We were farther away.

34:22Anyway, this is a minor part of the story.

34:24That was fine. So then we get to the match.

34:27We're playing, you know, we're on this country club.

34:30I am not a member there. My parents are one year into their membership.

34:34Again, I'm not a member. Adam's certainly not a member.

34:37The match goes on. It's 5-4. Last point of the set.

34:40Adam makes a nice serve. I barely return it back.

34:42But Adam runs around his forehand and tries to hit like this down the line winner.

34:47He misses the shot and starts screaming at himself.

34:50Adam, I can't believe you did. You knew you weren't going to get that.

34:54Takes his hat, throws it on the ground, makes this whole scene there.

34:57And then it's like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

35:00I'm so sorry. But the damage had been done, Jamie, right?

35:03He already made the scream. He made the commotion.

35:06He threw that. So mad at himself. Adam's screaming at himself.

35:09I believe he did two curses, if I remember right.

35:12Cursed at himself twice out loud, loudly for anyone to hear and anyone to see at this club.

35:17And look, I invite him up to a place, a really nice place.

35:21And this is how he treats it. I felt really bad about that.

35:24But no one was around us. We were pretty much the only ones on the court.

35:29I did not throw my hat on the ground.

35:31I threw my hat like 50 feet across the court.

35:34Yeah, you chucked that thing. I believe you cursed at yourself at least twice.

35:38Yeah, it was bad. It was embarrassing. Dan, what kind of water are you drinking there?

35:43Saratoga, baby. I buy it too for myself. It's my favorite water.

35:46It wasn't as embarrassing as we were sitting with Alfredo Brown, who's at the conference, and a guy who works with us, Brandon Stalling.

35:53And Dan went to tell a story. And he opened the story.

35:56And this is a quote. He said, quote, have you guys ever heard of the show Survivor on TV?

36:02And they were just like, yeah. Have you ever heard of American Idol?

36:05It was the dumbest question. Of course, we've heard of Survivor.

36:09Obviously, that's just how you start a story. You get them going.

36:12I could have said, you know the show Survivor.

36:14There's no big difference there. That was a bad one.

36:17Also, no. It was so funny. Also, Dan, we all had our badges on with our names on them.

36:23Someone asked. I think someone asked Dan where he was from.

36:26Dan just holds his badge out so he could see.

36:29And the badge was backwards. There was a first time attendees.

36:32You're just rapid firing them now? I get one and you get as many as you want.

36:37There was a first time attendees happy hour. And we were all sitting there chatting, whatever.

36:41And then someone wanted to make a little speech.

36:44So they're like, hey, can I have everyone's attention here?

36:46Dan takes it upon himself to shush the back.

36:49No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I did a great thing there.

36:53You shushed them. Hold on. I did not shush them.

36:56Now let me tell the real story. Oh, you absolutely shushed them anyway.

36:59Scott's here. Scott's here. You were wrong about that.

37:02So CBS was hosting reception on the first day.

37:04And the woman who was organizing came in and she said, she's like, come on.

37:09Everybody can be. Can everybody be quiet? And nobody's listening to her.

37:12Come on. Can we be quiet for one second?

37:15So I did something that really helps it get quiet for a second.

37:18I went in the room. Everyone hears that little sound in the right ear.

37:22Yes, it's annoying in some context. I agree with that.

37:25I would never want to do it in some context.

37:28But in this context, it worked like a charm.

37:30Everyone got quiet and she was able to make her speech.

37:33And she was allowed to make the speech that she wanted to make that no one was paying attention to and no one was so disrespectful towards her.

37:41So in that context, it was actually a great shush.

37:44How did it go? It was a great shush.

37:47It was. In that context, it was. And trust me, Dan is the shush guy.

37:51I love your passion. I'm the shush guy. In that single context.

37:54And I'm not a big fan of shushing. Trust me, I'm not a shush guy.

37:59In most spots, you don't shush. But in this one, nobody's listening.

38:02They're so disrespectful towards her. I'm trying to get her to allow.

38:05I'm allowing her to make her speech and it worked.

38:08I think it was a little bit of a hasty shush.

38:11I think you're exaggerating how long it took before you decided to shush everyone.

38:15I think you couldn't wait to shush people. We're going to take a break.

38:19By the way, he's really shocked to you that Dan loves Curb Your Enthusiasm.

38:23This guy is channeling Larry David. We'll be right back on Facebook.

38:27So you just got four in right there while I got one.

38:30That's nice. I drove Dan to get a cheesesteak.

38:33When we got back in the car, he opened my car door directly onto a wooden post on the sidewalk.

38:38Claimed that he stopped it with his hand. I stopped it with my hand.

38:42I saw the sound of a car door hitting a wooden post.

38:46No, I stopped that with my hand. And that was prior to Adam trying to parallel park, which was a nightmare within

38:52its own self watching him parallel park. Did a horrific job on the first try.

38:56He's like, was my technique all right? Tell me what to do.

39:00I'm like, I have to tell you how to parallel park a car.

39:03Is your technique all right? I said, what is he, Meadow Soprano?

39:07I don't know, dude. He's like, was my technique okay?

39:09Can you tell me what to do? I'm like, I don't know, man.

39:13You don't know how to parallel park a car.

39:16You straighten it out. And then you cut the wheel.

39:18You go back a little and you cut the wheel.

39:21And he's like, all right. And then he did it.

39:24And he's like, that was good, right? I was like, I guess it was not the right technique.

39:29But he just kind of like fit it in there a little bit.

39:33And there was so much space to work with, too, by the way.

39:37Yeah, okay. It wasn't my best. This is from Matthew.

39:39He needs a keeper for next year. It's a 10-team league.

39:43It's six point per passing touchdown. It's PPR. It's two running backs, two receivers, two flex, only one quarterback.

39:48Who are you keeping? Jameer Gibbs in the second round, Tyler Warren in the 11th round, or Drake May in the 13th?

39:54Gibbs. Yeah, I think it has to be Gibbs here in these types of leagues, especially they tend to be shallower.

40:00And it tends to be a better thing to keep the higher-end players in these leagues.

40:05You know, I do know how to parallel park.

40:07It was a really bad parallel park job. I will say that.

40:11Are you sure? Damage to your car? What's that?

40:13Was there damage to your car from the post?

40:16No, I hit my hand. Yeah, check your car.

40:18Check the tape. I actually haven't even checked. I don't know.

40:21Check the tape. There'll be nothing there. Bring Scott on.

40:24Scott, well, he's not backstage. He's not in this room.

40:27No, Scott mentioned a grievance that I haven't been allowed to say.

40:30I'll just share that now. We get to the cheesesteak place.

40:34Angelo's cheesesteak. Shout out. Best cheesesteak I think I've ever had.

40:37Thought it was fantastic. Adam takes a really bad picture of it.

40:40Like, my picture looked a lot better. But regardless, you can see the Cooper Sharp there.

40:45It was a great cheesesteak. We eat it. Everybody seems to like it.

40:48Scott loves it. We're with Scott Fish. And who else were we with from?

40:52Joe Bryant. Joe Bryant from Football Guys. Yes. Great dude.

40:55I had never met him before. Really nice guy.

40:58Everybody seems to love the cheesesteak. I was like, yeah, this really lived up to the hype.

41:02Adam, how's your cheesesteak? It's a little too heavy.

41:05Too heavy for a cheesesteak. Like, what are you expecting to get into when you eat a cheesesteak?

41:10If the words too heavy come out of your mouth for a cheesesteak, something went wrong there.

41:15You're a good storyteller. I got to give it to you.

41:18You know, you've had burgers before where it's like, this is good, but man, I feel like kind of gross.

41:24Listen, man. Like, this is why. Of course you feel gross after eating a cheesesteak.

41:28This is why I have a chance to beat Dan.

41:31All right. Like, there's four of us eating these Angelo's cheesesteaks.

41:34I'll throw the picture up again. I ate half of mine.

41:37Scott Fish ate half of his. Joe Bryan ate half of his.

41:40These are responsible adults, but we're also guys who could put away a cheesesteak if we wanted to.

41:45Dan ate the whole thing, and it was really heavy.

41:48Like, it was greasy, and it made me feel really full, and I didn't want to feel that way.

41:54It was good. I liked the cheesesteak, but it was very heavy.

41:57You can't be eating. What did you do with the rest of it?

42:01I put it in my fridge. Oh, that's the other story.

42:04I put it in the fridge at the hotel.

42:06I left it there. Dan was so pissed because he wanted to eat it two days later.

42:11I was eating that cheesesteak. Yeah. When am I going to get Angelo's cheesesteak again?

42:15Probably not for years. I had a half of one sitting in Adam's fridge.

42:19He just left it there. You are literally George Costanza.

42:22Who, me or Dan? Dan. Yeah, of course he is.

42:25Jose is very nervous about missing out on Colston Loveland.

42:28I understand he performed great at the end of last season and in the playoffs, but I'm not sold on drafting him.

42:34Are there any players in the past that performed well at the end of the season and in the playoffs then carry that momentum into the following season?

42:42You showed a whole list of it on the wide receiver.

42:45I did. This is perfect timing. I hope I still have.

42:48Oh, it was in my Parker Washington notes. But yeah, two good examples would be Jackson Smith and Jigba.

42:54And who was the year before that? Rasheed Rice?

42:56With the playoffs? Yeah. Rasheed Rice in his rookie year.

42:59Amon Reiss St. Brown in his rookie year. These guys had like six game sample sizes.

43:04Rasheed Rice actually wasn't that good in the playoffs his rookie year, but he was phenomenal down the stretch of his rookie year in the regular season.

43:11And then he only played three games. Okay, played four snaps in a fourth game.

43:15But he was great. He's just been great ever since breaking out.

43:19Amon Reiss St. Brown was phenomenal in his second year.

43:22And then JSN was phenomenal in his third year.

43:24But yeah, most of the guys who had these big finishes and then a big ADP boost the next year over the last two years.

43:31So Brian Thomas Jr., Malik Neighbors, Jerry Judy, Ladd McConkie, Cortland Sutton, Jamison Williams, Marvin Mims.

43:36Mims being the worst example because he was like 152nd in ADP.

43:39They were all busts. Some of them injury related.

43:42The year before that, CeeDee Lamb, his big finish pushed him to wide receiver one.

43:46And he ended up as wide receiver nine. Wide receiver one in ADP, I mean.

43:50And he ended up being wide receiver nine. Christian Watson, Zay Flowers, Jaden Reed.

43:54These guys were either slight busts or big busts.

43:57So it is just always you want to see more establishment.

44:00But keep in mind, it can happen. And two of the three examples I gave you were rookies, right?

44:05They were St. Brown and Rasheed Rice. The other guy was a third year player, second year player when he broke out in Jackson Smith and Jigba.

44:13So I think it's better when a young guy does it.

44:16Like when Jerry Judy does it, okay, we have enough of a history there.

44:20But all right, that's just a repeat of yesterday's show.

44:23This is from Charles in Texas. He says, respectfully regarding the cherries and fruit salad discussion, it's ridiculous.

44:28Have you never heard of maraschino cherries? Those are the only cherries that belong in a fruit salad if cherries belong at all.

44:34Please put this discussion to bed once and for all.

44:37Cherry pitters, man. Yeah, maraschino cherries belong in drinks and that's it.

44:41Yeah, I wouldn't want a maraschino cherry in a fruit salad.

44:44Yeah, they're gross. If you're looking for like a sugar high, yes.

44:47Yeah, what are those things like soaked in sugar?

44:50Why do they taste the way they do? I actually don't mind them, but I wouldn't eat them.

44:55Obviously, who doesn't mind them? It's just like a sugar cherry.

44:58But like why do they taste so sugary? Yeah, they don't belong in sugar.

45:02Oh, it's syrup. It's probably soaked in syrup, I bet, right?

45:05Those maraschino? Yeah. Maraschino. Go ahead, say that one.

45:08A little diabetes boost. Say that one. What kind of cherry is it?

45:11Maraschino or something? Maraschino. No, remember Grievance. Remember when we left a chair?

45:15I'm excited to get to this one. Yeah, so we were at the same dinner where Dan used his dirty fork.

45:21I did not do that. Well, you did. You admitted to doing it.

45:25You admitted to doing it, right? This is the thing.

45:27He admitted to doing it. Now he says, I did not do that.

45:31Because I touched only the stuff that I put on my plate.

45:34Okay. Did you take your own fork that was in your own mouth and put it into a serving tray that was meant for other people?

45:42It's a small cup. No, no, no. Yes or no?

45:45No one ate. Yes. Okay. That's all you need to say.

45:48So the dinner was about half CBS people, half non-CBS people.

45:51And for some reason- Is that the one I saw the picture of?

45:55Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And when I sat there, there was an empty seat.

45:59And it was between me and Dan. Imagine the poor guy who has to come late and get that seat.

46:04Oh, I would never know what that's like. He was, yeah, right.

46:08He was such a nice guy. He was like early 30s, you know, so happy.

46:12He had just gotten engaged. He was like telling the story about the proposal.

46:16He had just gotten a puppy. Like everything. This guy was loving his life.

46:20And then he made the mistake of mispronouncing the name of an Italian restaurant to Dan Schneier.

46:25What was the name of the restaurant? D'Alessandro's? And he- That's the actual name.

46:29D'Alessandro's. D'Alessandro's or something like that? D'Alessandro's. So this is what actually happened.

46:32You destroyed him. You destroyed him for doing this.

46:35No, I did not destroy him. I didn't even come close to destroying him.

46:39You're exaggerating the hell out of this story. First of all.

46:42Second of all, I got a DM from him the other day.

46:46Like, yo, dude, it was so fun hanging with you.

46:48You were the man. So clearly your take on what happened.

46:51Did you get that DM? I don't think so.

46:54No, I'm actually a little upset because I thought we hit it off.

46:58Yeah. And no, you did not apparently. But anyway- Are you both fighting for his attention?

47:02I guess so. Great guy. I guess so. Anyway, dinner's going on.

47:06And we're talking about best cheesesteaks. I told him we went to Angelo's.

47:09We're in Philly. He's a Philly guy. You know, he knows the area.

47:13He's like- He does. And he's an Italian guy too.

47:16He's born Italian. You know how I feel. I wish I was born Italian.

47:20I'm a wannabe Italian person. Anyway, he's like, yeah.

47:22There's actually a really good one I went to called D'Alessandro's.

47:25That's how you pronounce it. D'Alessandro's. Like two words.

47:28D'Aless-Aless-Andrews. Like Mark Andrews. I was like, actually, I think it's pronounced D'Alessandro's.

47:32And he was like, you're right. Oh, yeah. That's how it went down.

47:35He literally said you're right. Thank you, Dan, for correcting me.

47:38He did, dude. He actually did. He's like, you're actually right, man.

47:42I didn't destroy him. He's like, you're actually right.

47:44I messed that one up. Oh, man. He was going to say, like, I don't want him saying it.

47:50I think I did him a favor in the long term.

47:53I don't want him telling everybody I went to D'Aless-Andrews when it's really D'Aless-Aless-Andrews.

47:57The Philly people in this chat will back me up.

48:00Like, it's called D'Aless-Andrews. Do we want him just sitting there calling it D'Aless-Andrews the rest of his life?

48:05I helped him. Yeah, no. You did help him.

48:08What site did he work for again? Splashboards. Yeah.

48:10I think we should do a survivor pool for the F&D listeners.

48:14That would be cool. It's a great site. Yeah.

48:16When he said the restaurant's name incorrectly, did you go, shh?

48:19That shh was taken out of context. I really helped get that speech along the way.

48:24It was going to take another three minutes. Also, Dan just, like, took way too many of the complimentary things.

48:29This is his glass, his cup of water. There were three lemons and two limes in there.

48:34He had five. There's plenty of lemons out there, boys.

48:37There was no reason not to take lemons. It made the drink better.

48:41You don't take five pieces of citrus. There's three pieces of lemon in there.

48:45Yeah, but you can't see the lime. There's two lime in there.

48:48I put it in my notes. There's no lime.

48:51That might be the greatest sense ever said on FFT.

48:53What? You don't take five pieces of citrus. You don't.

48:56There was so much. There was unlimited amounts of fruit cut that day.

49:00This is a great, great lime. It made the drink so much better.

49:04Survivor pool. You know, that reminds me of this obscure TV show.

49:07Thank you for mommy burger for that one. All right.

49:10You have anything you'd like to air before we get to the fantasy cops?

49:14I just don't like what Mr. Red said in the comments.

49:17I wasn't trying to. Trust me. It wasn't viewed.

49:20He was not offended at all. I just didn't want him saying Della Sanders about a place that's called Della Sandro's.

49:25I think that's pretty OK. But anyway. Oh, I got a few more things.

49:29I'll do the quirks. You want to. You just did a million.

49:33Don't even. You have all the day. You have all this like these like.

49:37What's the word? Like you have ways to let me do a couple of things.

49:41We'll just say that. One, we get to the hotel.

49:44I want to go to the bar and like meet up with some people at the conference.

49:49Adam's like, no, let's just go up to the room.

49:52I was like, all right. And then I was like, wait a second.

49:55I think Scott Fish is down there. Let's go check it out.

49:59And Adam's like, you lead the way. You lead the way.

50:02You go in there to the bar. So I have to do the leading of the bar.

50:07Didn't love that. We get to the hotel to pay for the room.

50:10You got to give a credit card incidental. Adam pulls out his wallet.

50:14I may be the one who's more like Larry David on the show, but my God, does he have a Costanza wallet?

50:20I cannot believe Adam's wallet. That thing must have legitimately been three and a half pounds of weight.

50:25Honestly, that is the heaviest, oldest looking worn out leather wallet I've ever seen.

50:29He had three badges from CBS. He hasn't worked in an office for CBS in five years.

50:34He has three of his old CBS badges that he took out.

50:37Just unbelievable. It's true. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. So there's another one for Adam.

50:41I got a few more. We used to steal his wallet, right?

50:45Yeah. I did hear about that. I love that you used to prank.

50:48I love that you used to prank Adam in the office.

50:52But yeah, he's still the fattest Costanza wallet. Another one.

50:54I go to the bathroom. We're listening to one of the speakers at the conference.

50:59We're sitting next to each other at a table.

51:01I go to the bathroom. I get back from the bathroom.

51:04What do I notice, Jamie? Adam's feet are up on my seat.

51:08His dirty, disgusting shoes right on the seat. Just lounging out there.

51:11I, it's not like, okay, you can make fun of my wallet.

51:14There's nothing wrong with my shoes. They're normal shoes.

51:17They're dirty. They go on the ground. They're sneakers.

51:20You put them right up on my seat. I didn't think you were coming back.

51:24Why not? It was the middle of the thing.

51:26It was the middle of the day. There was no, no sign that I wasn't coming back.

51:31I was going to the bathroom. I didn't think I had to announce I was going to the bathroom for you to

51:37not put your feet up on my seat, but I guess I was wrong about that one.

51:42Guilty as charged. We'll throw that one in there as well.

51:45Guilty as charged. Here's another one. Every single Uber we got into.

51:49I mean, every single Uber we got into. Adam told the world, every Uber driver.

51:53Nope. This Uber driver doesn't give a crap about Adam's stories or any of his.

51:57He just wants to get to point A to point B and get to his next ride.

52:02But every Uber driver had to hear about, can you believe this guy?

52:06He's never seen Rocky every Uber driver that we got in.

52:09It's unbelievable. There's another one. Okay, here's another one.

52:11I'll throw in there. We on the way home, we got to get gas.

52:15We stop in New Jersey for gas and he pulls other car and he just goes, and he gets so pissed at himself.

52:22Oh, come on. You did. You did like a, I'm like, what?

52:25He's like, forgot you have to pump your, I forgot there's a gas attendant in this state.

52:30I was like, is that a bad thing that somebody is going to pump your gas?

52:35This is one of the greatest parts about being in New Jersey.

52:38And you never have to get out of your car.

52:41They'll just do it for you. So that was a shocking one to see.

52:45Also, he weirdly was like, oh no panic mode for a second.

52:48He's like, where's my credit card? Where's my credit card?

52:51And realized he already handed it to the guy.

52:54Just crazy frazzled moment by him. What was that thing with the credit card?

52:58There's something like that. It wasn't that. No, I couldn't find my, yeah, I couldn't find my.

53:02You thought you left in the hotel room, right?

53:05Yeah, I did. You thought you gave it to the hotel person.

53:08All right. Here's another one. Let's see what else I got.

53:11What did Scott hear about you learning about landscaping?

53:14Uh, yeah. Scott's partner for fantasy cares is like a, it's like a fancy landscape.

53:18Massive landscaping situation. He's talking to the guy for 20 minutes.

53:21The guy doesn't want to listen. He's like, can you tell me about your landscaping?

53:26He's like, dude, I do like luxury landscaping. I can't give you everyday stuff.

53:29That's basically what the conversation. You were just making up words.

53:33You were just making up. You were pressing him, dude.

53:35You were pressing him for landscaping information. He had no interest in a conversation.

53:39That is true. I caught that one on the side.

53:42Trust me. That happened. Um, one final one here.

53:45Well, you just went off and said like 15 of mine.

53:48Not even air agreements. You're just making up stories now.

53:51No, none of this was made up. That all happened.

53:54I don't even, I don't even landscape. Oh God.

53:56Oh, that's it. You talk to him. You're like, I need help with my, with my, with my yard.

54:01You did not go through that conversation. I definitely heard that.

54:05No, I had one question. I had two questions.

54:07I think about sprinklers and stones. All right. All right.

54:10Well, it seemed like he was really interested in giving you that information.

54:14Trying to get to his next destination. Uh, one final thing.

54:17This is not a grievance, but it's a really funny story from the trip.

54:21We're driving up there and Adam's telling me about like all these group chats.

54:25He's in. So, oh my gosh, I could tell this, right?

54:28There's no reason not to use names or anything.

54:30No, I'm going to keep it as vague as possible.

54:33I think no. No? No. They got to do it now.

54:36There's no way. There's no way. Adam, Adam, Adam.

54:39Shh. Go ahead. There's no way you can tell this story well without saying that.

54:43I'm going to use no names or anything. I think no.

54:46I think it's a no. Okay. All right. Forget this one.

54:49This is kind of the funniest story of the trip.

54:52I'll tell you after the podcast. It was one of the funny.

54:56It was so funny. We were laughing so freaking hard.

54:58I know why you don't want me to tell, but I was going to leave that part out, but it's okay.

55:04All right, fine. Go ahead. No, no. If you think it's all right, fine.

55:08Come on, Dan. As long as you leave that part out.

55:11I know the part you need that needs to be left out.

55:15So he's like, oh, here's all these group chats I'm in.

55:18Here's one with me and I'm going to say me and a group of friends that we root for something, whatever.

55:24And so he's like telling me about the chat.

55:26He clicks it on his on his like screen on the car.

55:30And so now he just starts reeling off stuff about this chat.

55:33He's talking about the people in the chat. He's saying all this stuff about the chat.

55:38And then he's talking about some event that went down and he starts cursing.

55:42He starts reeling off something, got him worked up, I guess, about the chat or whatever.

55:46So then he's like going through this. It's like this two minute rant Adam has.

55:50And then there's a stoppage point in the rant.

55:53And we just start hearing Siri in the car, reading back everything Adam just said, just reading it, reading in the Siri voice with the cursing and everything.

56:01And we thought that for a quick second, like, oh, no, this is going to get sent to that chat.

56:07Like, Siri thought it was going to be this whole thing of Adam ranting sent right to the chat.

56:12It was going to be so hard for him to explain this off.

56:16So we had a really good laugh there. Like, it was going to rate.

56:20It was going to be, do you want me to send this?

56:23And like, I cut it off by sending a text message manually, like during her.

56:27But while driving, that was really sick. It was pretty incredible.

56:30Yeah, it was very funny. All right. Fantasy cops.

56:33This is from, oh, I don't even know anywhere.

56:35From Patrick. Patrick is in a fantasy league that is 20 years old.

56:39It's a super flex keeper league. You can keep two players for their draft costs last year.

56:44And you can now trade future draft picks in season.

56:47So this season, Kyle decided to sell off his team.

56:50In one of his trades, he acquired a random tight end, KDOTN.

56:53For a part of a larger package with Matt.

56:56Later, Matt, who was in first place, needed a tight end fill in for a bye week.

57:00So Kyle traded Otten back to Matt. And they agreed to swap their two picks in the 12th round as compensation.

57:06Is this collusion? A, they traded a player once and then back.

57:10And sure, he was just a throw in. And it was around four to six weeks later.

57:15But B, swapping picks in the 12th is equivalent to essentially nothing.

57:18So to me, it appears they are essentially sharing bench players.

57:21Technically, we have no rule against this and it was not vetoed, but it stinks.

57:25A team who was tanking their season is helping the first place team with a bye week fill in.

57:31Sure, it's an extremely low impact move. I don't believe they are sharing winnings.

57:35But if I had demanded a veto due to collusion, would I have had a case?

57:39Side note, because of this and Kyle's careless fire sale this year, we have now banned in-season draft pick trades to minimize tanking.

57:46Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's interesting. They're in the 20th year of the league.

57:49It doesn't sound like an auction, but it's similar.

57:52We had similar problems. Every single problem we had in our league was due to...

57:56We had a team that tanked, traded away draft dollars in an auction league, and it ruined the entire integrity of the league.

58:03Unfortunately, when you allow these things like trading next year picks, it does create this massive gray area.

58:08I would say the easiest solution out of this in the future ban trading future picks or future draft dollars.

58:13As far as dealing with the current situation, I think the best scenario is to do what you guys did, which is nip it in the bud.

58:21Don't say, oh, there was no rule against it.

58:24You kind of quirked your way around it and found a rule, because that's what we've done in the past in my

58:30league that's going into year 20, and it really led to an unfair situation and a really unbalanced level, not level playing

58:36field by just allowing the person or people to kind of skate around the rules and find their own quirk here.

58:42So as far as is that collusion in the past, the way we've dealt with it, we did not consider it collusion

58:48because it wasn't technically against the rules at the time.

58:51So I think that's probably the best way to approach it as far as kicking these people out of your league or not.

58:58I wouldn't do that for that reason. But I would personally change the rule on the spot.

59:02I think you just have to establish it. Are you allowed to trade players back once they're traded to another team?

59:08So can you swap players, the same player, later in the year?

59:12Yeah. I mean, I think you can. I think there should just be, you know, it's got to be like a month later, four weeks later, whatever.

59:19I don't have that rule in any of my leagues, and it's just never come up really.

59:24But this is such an obvious example of just helping a team during his bye week when it doesn't really matter.

59:30You swap 12th round picks, whatever. So it doesn't feel right.

59:33But if you put it into rules or you can trade a player back after, you know, a certain amount of weeks, you don't want to do it.

59:41I don't like it, you know, to do it the next week because then you're just, hey, I got this player on a bye and you're just swapping.

59:49That just doesn't feel like you're borrowing. Yeah. Yeah.

59:52It doesn't feel like in the spirit. See if we have any good comments here.

59:56No grievances about how Adam or Dan drives is a huge upset for me.

60:00I thought for sure one of them would drive too slow.

60:03Well, I didn't get a chance to drive. Adam wouldn't let me drive his car halfway, which I would have gracefully done.

60:09And I can drive a car, Adam. So I don't know what you think I am.

60:14Somebody who hasn't lived, you know, however many years on this earth with a driver's license, 20 now or whatever, less than that.

60:20But like point being, you just didn't trust me to drive your car.

60:24So I never got a chance to. But as far as how did Adam drive?

60:28As you would expect, cautiously let a lot of people pass him.

60:32Is he a 10 and 2 guy? Is he a, I'm a one-handed driver.

60:36No, he's not a 10 and 2 guy, but he was a very cautious driver.

60:40Let a lot of people pass him. And thankfully he didn't do the one thing you should.

60:45No, that's true, Adam. You would disagree with that?

60:47Yeah. I mean, I'm a cautious driver. It's a good thing to be.

60:51Yeah. It's a good thing to be. You're not speeding or anything.

60:54That's good. I'm a speeder. I speed. You didn't speed at all once on that trip.

60:59At times you might have even been going below.

61:01This is why you can't believe. At times you might have gone below the speed.

61:06There is never a time. There's pretty much never a time, never a time when I'm on the highway and not going

61:12over the speed limit, unless I can't. If I can go over the speed limit, I 100%, I go up to 10,

61:18maybe 15 miles per hour over the speed limit.

61:21Adam, you know on these cars now, it shows the miles per hour, right?

61:25So I could see it the whole time. You just, you're just wrong.

61:28Like I didn't want to be in that car any longer than I needed to.

61:32Not because of you, just because it was a long trip.

61:36By the way, Dan and I had a great car ride.

61:39We didn't listen to the radio once. Like we just talked.

61:42We had good conversations on that car ride. Adam is the man.

61:45But as far as the one thing he didn't do, which was good on the road, he wasn't one of those guys

61:51that like sits in the left lane at the speed limit.

61:55And that block, you never, you're supposed to let people pass on the left.

61:59The left is for passing and the middle or the right is for the type of driving Adam does.

62:04Dan describing driving is the way I anticipate Adam doing Dan's impression of Dan driving, describing driving.

62:09Look at these sucking candies, Jamie. Dan had so many of these.

62:12I had five total on the trip. No, you had five the first day.

62:16No, no. That was three and two. It was three and two.

62:19Yeah, they're little sucking candies. They're so small. Like one a day because that's what you do.

62:24Oh, good for you. You don't eat candy. You're the best.

62:27No, it's just they're for everyone. Dude, there was trays of this on every table and I had five total.

62:33That's crazy. At one point, there was a- Can't take five pieces of citrus.

62:37There was a- Oh yeah, too bad. There was a snack bar.

62:40It was like nuts and like some dry fruit and some M&Ms.

62:44And you know, it's like, like, you know, have you ever seen those like tubes of cereal where you kind of crank

62:50it and the food comes out or whatever? There were not that many M&Ms in that thing.

62:55It was like that. So Dan takes a bowl, puts nothing but M&Ms in the bowl.

62:59No, you made that up. Removes the red and blue ones.

63:02Wait, now you're just lying. He looks at me and says, go Giants.

63:06And then he dumps the rest of the M&Ms back in the tube.

63:10Mm-hmm. That was made up entirely, obviously. That would have been amazing though.

63:14Yeah. Amazing. You would have loved that. All right.

63:16Those are our grievances. Yeah, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, those are our grievances.

63:21And the best part of the show is Dan trying to get a comeback in and then Thomas is going to commercial

63:27break in the middle of Dan's first word. Cut it right off.

63:31All right. Thanks for watching and listening, everybody. And we'll talk to you next week.

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