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0:15It of course is the year of the tight end.
0:18Right? And oh, haha, always optimism this time of year.
0:21But this time, we think we kind of might mean it.
0:25There are a lot of reasons to feel good about the tight end position this year.
0:29How about this? 18 tight ends averaged 10 or more fantasy points per game in PPR last year.
0:35That was last year. That was the most in at least 12 seasons.
0:39And then there's those sophomore tight ends that we're pumped about.
0:42They are tight ends 3, 4 and 5 in Fantasy Pros PPR ADP.
0:46And we have high hopes for sophomore tight ends, which unfortunately has burned us in the past.
0:51But you know what? This year is going to be different.
0:54Heath, welcome back. It's the year of the tight end, right?
0:57It is the year of the tight end. Could not be more excited about this position.
1:02There's no way they let us down. Dave, fire it up.
1:05It's the year of some tight ends. Let's not go crazy.
1:08It's not like there's 14 or 15 tight ends that we can look at and say, oh yeah, superstars.
1:14Everybody's going to have a good tight end. So you might as well go after a great one.
1:19It's not like that. But the influx of last year's tight ends make it a little bit deeper and certainly more exciting.
1:26And I don't know the last time we had, what, six tight ends that are going to get taken in the first six rounds or so.
1:34It's been a while since we've been able to say that.
1:37So some of the tight ends, yeah, it's their year.
1:40It's their time. But it's not like everybody's going to be rostering a tight end that gets you 12 PPR points per game.
1:47Jamie, how are you feeling about the position this year?
1:50I feel good. I mean, it's, you know, it's fun to see these guys, this, this young group of tight ends that
1:56we got last year, you know, hopefully populating the position for several years to come and producing at a high level and
2:03then still getting, hopefully, you know, a healthy George Kittle and a productive Travis Kelsey.
2:07So you got both ends of the spectrum here of, you know, some guys that are still producing at an older age
2:14and some young players that can, you know, hopefully make a difference again for the future.
2:18All right. I want to talk about just a few reasons why we're optimistic about the position and let's look at the year two tight ends.
2:26Well, first of all, I already told you we had 18 tight ends average double digit PPR fantasy points last year, the most in at least 12 seasons.
2:34But also tight ends are just being targeted more.
2:37This is a massively important trend in the NFL.
2:4023.8% target rate in 2025. That's the highest target rate for tight ends in at least 20 seasons.
2:45And that tight end target rate has increased or stayed the same seven straight years.
2:50I mean, it's almost hard for me to think it could get even higher than 23.8%.
2:54But the bottom line is whether that happens or not, tight ends are a bigger part of offenses than they used to be.
3:01And then three of the eight best rookie tight end seasons since 2000 came last year.
3:06Tyler, just in terms of total fantasy points, Tyler Warren, Harold Fannin and Colston Loveland's rookie season, which wasn't even that great,
3:12but it was great for a rookie tight end, was eighth best since 2000.
3:17So look at this list here. If you're watching on YouTube, you see Tyler Warren had the third most fantasy points ever for a rookie since 2000.
3:25Fannin fourth, Loveland eighth. And then you look to the right.
3:28How did those guys do? How did the top 10 guys do the next year?
3:32Most of them were worse. Bowers was worse. He lost a fantasy point per game.
3:37Sam Laporta lost three fantasy points per game. Kyle Pitts lost almost three fantasy points per game.
3:42Evan Ingram, slightly worse. Jeremy Schocki was better, but he got hurt.
3:45He played six fewer games. Gronkowski was amazing. Pat Fryermuth a little bit worse.
3:50So we are putting a lot of stock, Jamie, into these year two tight ends, as you talked about.
3:55We have, unfortunately, these trends. And there's all these situations and scenarios and circumstances and reasons why that year two tight ends have slumped.
4:02But we do have to acknowledge your two tight ends have not necessarily been great picks.
4:07Why is this year going to be different? Well, I think for two of them, it could be the same or potentially
4:14better in the case of Loveland just because of more playing time and more opportunities.
4:18Fan is the one that makes me nervous just because, you know, there's so much change going on for him compared to what happened last year.
4:26You know, so Warren, you remove a player and you get a quarterback hopefully back at 100% in Daniel Jones.
4:32Loveland, again, you remove a player and you saw what he did at the end of last season.
4:37And then for Fanon, it's a quarterback change that I think is a problem for him, at least potentially.
4:43You have a dramatically improved on paper receiving core that is going to be a problem for him.
4:48And you have a coaching change that could potentially be a problem for him.
4:52And so the last one is probably the one that concerns me the least.
4:56The other two concern me the most. You know, so does he continue to lead the team in targets?
5:02Does he continue to get quality opportunities or at least the volume of opportunities?
5:06Because if it's Deshaun Watson, which is probably the way that it's heading, at least to start the season, like that's bad for Fanon.
5:13So I still think he's worth drafting as a starter.
5:16I just don't think you should expect anything close to what you got last year.
5:21Yeah, Deshaun Watson. If you look at David Njoku, three seasons he played with Deshaun Watson.
5:25He averaged 1.9 more fantasy points without him the first year, six more fantasy points without Watson the next year, and 7.8
5:32more fantasy points without Watson the third year. It was really bad.
5:35There's always context. You know, you had like Flacco throwing a bunch of passes.
5:40You had Jameis throwing a bunch of passes. So he was always going to be better in those scenarios.
5:45But Watson just didn't target tight ends that much.
5:48Heath, your thoughts, because I know you loved Fanon last year, and I don't know how you feel about him this year
5:54per se, but your thoughts on the year two slump that we've seen from several of those tight ends.
6:00I was very excited to see that Deshaun Watson threw two interceptions yesterday, and I hope he throws five interceptions today.
6:06And I hope Shador Sanders wins the job, because I think he's currently a better quarterback, and there's at least hope with him.
6:13And then I'll be back in on Harold Fanon.
6:16If Deshaun Watson wins the job, then I think you're going to have a bad probably month until they bench Deshaun Watson
6:22and give the job to Shador Sanders. But no, I think it makes sense that the guys who have had the greatest
6:29rookie tight end seasons ever have had a hard time maintaining that production.
6:33That is kind of something we talk about a lot.
6:36I'm going to talk about Trey McBride in just a moment.
6:39He just had one of the greatest tight end seasons ever, period.
6:42I don't think he's going to be as good as he was last year.
6:47That's generally what happened when you do something all-time great, is the next season's not as good.
6:52Yeah, but Bowers got hurt. Laporta started his second campaign with an injury, and Jamison Williams was more involved.
6:57Kyle Pitts was hurt and had a horrible offense.
7:00We're hoping better circumstances here for the three. Like I said, they're 3-4-5 in ADP on Fantasy Pros, but on CBS, Loveland's 3, Warren's 4, Fannin is 8th.
7:08So on CBS ADP, we don't like Fannin quite as much.
7:11All right, Dave, let's start with tight end strategy here.
7:14We'll do sleepers, breakouts, busts early on in the show as well.
7:18We'll talk about when to take McBride and Bowers.
7:21But what's your overall tight end strategy this year?
7:23I'm looking for a little bit of value from the elite tier guys.
7:27I don't want to reach for McBride or Bowers unless it's tight end premium or some sort of scoring advantage that helps those two tight ends along.
7:35And if I do get one of them, I'm trying to get the second one of those two.
7:41So when I see, you know, Bowers is usually going off the board first.
7:45So if he's off the board first, I would put the radar up for McBride.
7:49But McBride's probably going to go within five picks of Bowers.
7:52And if I'm far away from that, say I'm picking late in round one, early round two, no chance I'm going to
7:59get either of those guys when I'm up in late round three.
8:02Once those two guys are gone, I'm looking for fair value from those other second tier, let's call them, tight ends.
8:09I'm not even really thinking about the late round tight ends unless it's just a guy that I think is a blue
8:15chip player that might be able to do what Jawan Johnson did last year or frankly do what Colson Loveland did and Harold Fannin did.
8:23Last year. So I'm looking for one of the first, let's call it seven tight ends off the board, meaning that I
8:29am going to focus one of my first six picks or so on a tight end.
8:34Who are you referring to when you say late round tight ends that you're not really thinking about when you start your draft?
8:41Guys that I'm just going to put on my bench, not interested in starting Chigo Conquo, Greg Dulcich, Dalton Kincaid, Jawan Johnson.
8:47I think he deserves another try at this. Kenyon Sadiq.
8:50If Kittle doesn't come back anytime soon, then Jake Tonjes would be one of those guys that you can pick up and
8:57go a little zero tight end with and use him for the beginning of the year.
9:01And then once Kittle's back, you'll find another tight end off the waiver wire.
9:06Jake Tonjes. Jake Tonjes. Let's see. He scored double digit fantasy points in PPR in four of the first six games without Kittle.
9:12And then in the last three scored 19, 2.4 and 8.9.
9:16So he's pretty good. If Kittle misses time, you can think about Jake Tonjes.
9:202.4 kind of sucks. Yeah. But that was against Seattle.
9:23And that was Philadelphia. Sorry. Philadelphia. In the division.
9:25You also have two receiver injuries for San Francisco now, too.
9:29We sure do. We will talk about Ricky Pearsall a little bit later.
9:33Christian Kirk's also bank. Are you suggesting that the 49ers move in the direction of multiple tight ends from week to week?
9:39No, no. I'm saying if Kittle's out on top of that, like Tonjes is in a great spot.
9:44Jamie, what's your tight end strategy? I mean, it's not far off from Dave's.
9:49I think, you know, if you're in on Bowers or McBride, like you have to make the decision probably middle to the
9:55end of round two, depending on your draft slot.
9:58It's very unlikely you're going to get them in round three.
10:01I think if you're in on Colston Lovelland, you're probably going to have to pull the trigger in round three.
10:07It's very unlikely he makes it to round four.
10:10So really, when you look at the top three guys, I think that's going to be the group of them.
10:16And then it comes down to at what point you start to value the tight end by comparison to everybody else, to
10:22every other player, you know, or every other position that you're looking at.
10:26So it's kind of, you know, the same thing like quarterback, you know.
10:30So once you get to that spot where you start to see the drop off and then you're like, okay, I like
10:36Pitts or Kraft or Fannin, you know, there or, you know, I want to pull the trigger maybe early on likely or
10:43wait out Kelsey or Kittle, you know, you're going to see the whatever order, the 10 to 11 tight ends are going to be the same.
10:51You know, unless there's too much negativity on the returns of Kraft and Kittle, then maybe it's Andrews, Goddard, Okonkwo, Ferguson, you
10:57know, one of those guys that creeps into the top 10.
11:00But I think it's just a matter of, you know what it is.
11:04It's easy to tier this position. You know, it's easier than quarterback because quarterback, you kind of get that jumbled group.
11:10You talked about that yesterday, Adam, you know, Stafford, Purdy, all those guys.
11:14Yeah. That, you know, once you get to that part of the draft, but I think, you know, if you have your
11:21favorite late round targets, you know, so like for me, it's Okonkwo and Goddard.
11:25If I know that I can just wait out those two in particular, and I just missed and missed and missed because somebody else was taking them.
11:33I'll reference the draft we did last week where I just kept watching the board.
11:37And then it was me and you were the last two.
11:41Me and Adam were the last two to draft a tight end.
11:44And I knew where we were on the board.
11:47And Kelsey was the last guy that was, you know, I think that we both were interested as a starter.
11:53And so I was like, okay, I know like when it gets to me, if it gets past me and Adam's up, he's going to take Kelsey.
12:01I have to take Kelsey now. But that was kind of just wait, wait, wait, and got somebody that I'm still comfortable with.
12:08Yeah. I do wait a lot. I have 11 guys that I'm comfortable with as my starting tight end.
12:13The 12th would be Mark Andrews, but I don't really want to go there.
12:17But the last of the group would be, you know, Kittle if he falls, but then it's likely Kelsey and Goddard.
12:24I'm like, okay, whatever. If I'm in round 10 or something like that, and I have to settle for likely Kelsey or Goddard, I'm cool with it.
12:32So yeah, go ahead. I was just going to ask you, did you actually take a little bit of time to look
12:38through the tight end rankings list and start picking out the names of guys that weren't top six or top seven that
12:45you'd say, okay, yeah, I'd be cool with these guys as my starting tight end.
12:49And you look at pits and you go, you might've said, yeah, of course I'm fine with him as a starter.
12:55And same thing with Kittle and so on. Did you go through that process?
13:00It doesn't sound like a long process, but did you do it?
13:03No, not really. I mean, I think I have 11 guys that I'm comfortable with.
13:08And when I feel like the value is right for any of them, I'll, I'll take them.
13:13If I feel like, all right, yeah, I kind of want to.
13:16So you, you said, uh, Goddard. Kelsey. No, Andrew's would be 12 for me, but.
13:21So who's, who's out of the top 11 then?
13:23Well, who am I missing here? Yeah. Your top 11, Jamie is Bowers McBride, Loveland Warren, Laporta, Kraft, Pitts, Fannin, likely Kelsey Kittle.
13:30Oh God. Okay. It's 12 then. I'm sorry. That's what I was getting at.
13:3412. My bad. I think there's, I think there's 11 like locked in, you know what, again, whatever order, I think there's just 11 locked in.
13:42Okay. I'm sorry. But I, I do think that every manager should take the time to make sure that they've, they know their number, whether it's 11.
13:50Some of them might say eight. I don't know.
13:53People might not be as in on, um, Kelsey or like, no, I totally agree.
13:57But I think just based on ADP, like we're going to see 11 guys in whatever order.
14:02Sure. I agree with that for sure. But if your number is like eight or lower, you're prioritizing tight end.
14:08Sure. I'm going to get Heath's thoughts now. I'm sorry.
14:11My number is 12, which is obviously pretty significant with most of us playing 12 team leagues, not 11.
14:17Mine's eight. Heath, by the way, welcome back. Hey, thanks.
14:20You know what they say. The Heath is on baby.
14:23Welcome back. All right. Fantastic. Fantastic. Soundbite. Can't wait to get your, um, your tight end strategy, but we do have to take a break.
14:30So when we come back, Heath is going to have an extra 30 seconds here to think about his tight end strategy
14:37and, how many you're comfortable with as your starter.
14:39We'll be right back. Go for it. Heath. I think the commercial might've taken longer than my strategy.
14:45I draft Sam Laporta in round six. If he's gone, I draft Kyle pits in round seven.
14:50If he's gone, I draft Isaiah Lakeley in round eight.
14:53And that's pretty much the three tight ends that I've drafted in almost every draft.
14:57And there's probably 12 tight ends that I'm comfortable with as my starter.
15:01I'm the low guy on Kittle because I, I don't really think he's going to play week one.
15:06I'm not sure he's going to play week two or week three, but I, so I, I have a hard time saying
15:13I'm comfortable with him with my starter. Cause I can't start him.
15:16Sure. And we also don't know how good he's going to be coming off of torn Achilles that he suffered in the playoffs.
15:23So this is going to be, I'm guessing the lowest, I wonder the lowest ADP for George Kittle since when probably a long time.
15:30Um, all right. Uh, Heath, I'll go back to you.
15:33I know who you, actually, I can't go back to you on this one cause you just answered it.
15:39Which tight end do you draft the most? We're just going to, I'm going to, we're going to see somebody start the counter.
15:46How many times can he say Sam LaPorta on this show?
15:49All right. All right. Sam LaPorta. Jamie, who do you draft the most at tight end?
15:54It's a lot of LaPorta when I'm not drafting with Heath.
15:57try to think like who I found myself drafting the most, probably likely Dave, Warren fanning likely, and it would be a
16:03LaPorta too, but you know, I think a better question is who do you avoid?
16:08Obviously we're excited about a lot of these guys.
16:11Fanning for Jamie, Dave, who do you avoid pits?
16:13He's so, are you wanting us to give our bust picks now?
16:17I don't know. Yeah. I mean, if it's the same, yeah, that's, that's, that's why I've got to listen.
16:22Uh, Jerry McBride. Yeah, I knew that, but do you also avoid Bowers?
16:26I will. So, and I'll probably just like intentionally force a Brock Bowers team or two.
16:31I would like to have some Brock Bowers. So, but I don't generally draft him as high as I have to.
16:37The weird thing, I think Jamie hit on it.
16:40The weird thing about Bowers is you pretty much have to take him in round two or have a two or three turn pick.
16:47And I always have, um, the, the 10th, 11th or 12th pick in our mocks.
16:51So I don't ever really have that decision. Well, I love to know hypothetically, uh, you know, if at the two, three
16:58turn, that's my next question is, would you guys take McBride or Bowers at the two, three turn?
17:03Uh, who, who would take McBride or Bowers at the two, three turn?
17:07Me? Who would, or who wouldn't? Who would? I would take him before the two, three turn.
17:12I would take Bowers middle of round two. I would take McBride at the two, three turn, but bark like a dog.
17:19If you would take one of them at the two, three turn.
17:22Anyone? A big dog. I'm trying to cue up.
17:25What are you doing? I'm trying to cue up Dave barking like a dog.
17:29And I, okay. rough, rough, rough. I think the hard thing about taking McBride that early is I'm not sure if I'm
17:36going to be able to get Elijah Higgins. And so I am just a little scared.
17:40Well, don't worry, he's in an auction. You can spend $7.
17:44You got to take Higgins. You have to let everybody know in the snake draft that you're taking Higgins so that nobody else takes McBride.
17:51That's how it works in snake drafts. Okay. Okay.
17:54Good stuff. These are fancy tips. I guess how, uh, how, how, uh, important is it?
17:58I guess not very for you guys to get one of those two tight ends.
18:03Not, um, it's not, it's not important, but I think again, if you, if you're excited about Bowers, which I know a
18:09lot of people are and still believe in McBride, which a lot of people do, like you're going to try and, you
18:16know, look at those players when you start to compare them to, I think it's that group of receivers and probably a couple of running backs.
18:24But like when you get to the middle of the second round and it's like, AJ Brown and Nico Collins and George
18:30Pickens and those, you know, backend are wide receiver ones.
18:33Like they compare to those guys very favorably. Oh gosh.
18:36Well, can we just stop with this crap here?
18:39Please get this off the screen. So, uh, for, for those of you, I asked Jamie, that's the one thing, like if
18:45you could take it back, you would last like 10 years or something.
18:49You said, I'm just going to tell you this, man, I was ridiculed, ridiculed last year when I said that Caleb Williams
18:56had the best arm in the NFL ridiculed by the same people that ridiculed me for my Isaiah Pacheco take.
19:02So yes, I would take it back a hundred percent.
19:05Um, you feel indicated at all that Jameer Gibbs is holding out as a echo, maybe a superstar.
19:10I do. Um, all right. Uh, you know, I had a good point to make about that.
19:15I just made it very poorly. I'm going to try again on, on Friday show.
19:19Anyway, I asked you, I regret it. I wish I could take it back.
19:24I'm going to do it again on Friday. I asked you, Jamie, I think, uh, how many fantasy points would McBride and
19:30Bowers have to average to justify a pick at the two, three turn?
19:34I believe you said 16 a few days ago.
19:37So, and I think I gave this stat, but for those of you who are just starting to listen now, watch now,
19:43here's something to know in the last 10 seasons, 11 tight ends have averaged 16 or more PPR fantasy points per game.
19:50Five of them are Travis Kelsey. No one else has done it more than once, which is amazing.
19:55But this always gets me of those tight ends who average 16 or more PPR fantasy points.
20:00Every single one of them was on a team that averaged at least 251 passing yards per game.
20:05And that's a lot. I think only seven or eight teams did that last year in the NFL.
20:11And one of them was Arizona. I didn't see that coming.
20:14Right? So it could be a surprise, but they led the NFL in pass attempts.
20:18My point is, and this is why I didn't draft those guys last year.
20:23I just didn't think the offenses would be good enough.
20:26Obviously I misread the situation in, uh, in Arizona and I drafted McBride a little bit, but I didn't target him, but
20:32these teams, 11 of them, all 11, 251 or more passing yards per game, nine of the 11 through 28 or more touchdown passes.
20:39So I think you have to ask yourself, do the Cardinals or the Raiders have that kind of offense that can get
20:46me a 16 point per game tight end? Or in the case of Bowers, do you think he's just going to dominate
20:52targets so much that he could be the guy that's the outlier here?
20:56And that could certainly happen. All right. Um, tight ends in strategy in two receiver versus three receiver leagues.
21:02It is a big deal for me. Is it a big deal for anyone else?
21:06Heath, uh, are you more likely to take a tight end earlier in a, two receiver league compared to a three receiver league?
21:13Not really. Like maybe just a couple of picks, but not really.
21:17And Dave, same question. I'm more inclined to take a tight end early in either a shallow league where I know that
21:23there's going to be wide receivers waiting for me a little bit later.
21:27Cause they all get pushed down the board. Fewer teams making picks or in deeper leagues where I just need difference makers.
21:33And I'm just trying to get as many difference makers on my team as I possibly can.
21:38But right in the sweet spot of 12 team leagues, which most people play in, uh, I don't think it matters whether
21:45there's two receivers or three receivers that you must start.
21:48Jamie, two receivers and how many flex spots? One.
21:51Then yes, I'm more inclined to take a tight end a little bit earlier.
21:55Okay. And, and by the way, I should have said this earlier, but most of our, when we do podcasts, we mostly talk about 12 team leagues.
22:03I mean, that's our default. So if we're saying around three pick around four pick, this is in 12 team leagues, which
22:09I do, Jamie have to disagree with something you said about Colson Loveland, not getting to round four.
22:15Cause right now his ADP is pretty firmly in round four in 12 team leagues.
22:19So I think you might get them in round four, but we'll see.
22:23It'd be great. It would be great. Um, all right, let's do a sleepers, breakouts and busts.
22:28Jamie, who's your favorite sleeper tight end? Uh, I think Dave took my favorite one of Okonkwo.
22:33Um, so the next one will be Goddard. I think just looking at again, small sample size, but the, he played four
22:40games that AJ Brown, but three of them, he was, he was very solid and just target opportunity there.
22:45So hopefully for one more year, you know, we'll see what Stowers does and what kind of role he plays is the future tight end for the Eagles.
22:54But I think just looking at it as he's going to compete with Makai Lemon for that second spot in terms of targets.
23:00And it might just be the comfort level and rapport that Jalen Hurts has with him that will kind of give him
23:07that edge, but we know the touchdowns should be there for him as well.
23:11So I like Goddard as that, uh, he's my 13th tight end.
23:15I like Okonkwo 12th. 13 is a good number because Dallas Goddard has finished as a top 13 tight end per game
23:21in PPR in seven straight seasons, top 10 per game in five of the last six, top six per game in two
23:28of the last four with AJ Brown. So Dallas Goddard.
23:31Yeah, that's seven years in a row. Top 13.
23:33Heath, who's your favorite sleeper? I will go with Greg Dulcich.
23:37I think I got to choose first on, on all of these.
23:40So, my, but yeah, I, I think he, we, we always talk about the guys from the double digit rounds who turn
23:47into top six or eight tight ends, almost always finish first or second on their team and targets.
23:52The dolphins don't have a proven wide receiver one or a proven wide receiver to Greg Dulcich was second amongst tight ends
23:58on a very small sample size in yards per route run last year.
24:02He's still young enough. He's been good in terms of yak.
24:06So Greg Dulcich at minicamp. He was getting targeted a lot and moving around the formation a lot.
24:11And Malika Willis does have a history. We know his history of not throwing to running backs.
24:16He does have at least a decent history of throwing to tight ends.
24:20I like the Dulcich call. I like the Goddard call too.
24:23Do you like the Okonkwo call by you? I do also like the Oconquo call, which is just a nice sign that
24:30there are three good sleeper tight ends that people can think about.
24:33And I bet if you forced us, we could name three other ones who could fill that role, which means that the
24:40idea of taking a second tight end, that's something you should completely write off.
24:44But if Oconquo is replacing Zach Ertz in the Washington offense and the Washington offense is not adding Brandon, I you or Stefan digs.
24:51Then just as he said, here's a tight end that can finish first or second on his team and targets last year, 4.7 targets per game.
24:59It's not a lot. And it's in Tennessee and Tennessee sucked.
25:02And he averaged over seven PPR points per game.
25:05That might be able to extrapolate to nine or 10 PPR points per game.
25:09If he's getting North of six targets per game, that might be a little rich because the target per route run for
25:15Ertz with Daniels on the field was 17.2%, but Ertz filled a very valuable role for Jade Daniels.
25:21He was the short area target, but Ertz couldn't really do anything with the ball after he caught it.
25:26You know, he's an old guy, a Conquo. We know what his efficiency is like.
25:31We saw it at the end of the season, a couple of years back.
25:35We know that he's kind of an athletic freak.
25:37You're able to get him in the late rounds.
25:40There's all kinds of rich potential with him. Zach Ertz in 2024 averaged 10.4 PPR points per game with Jane Daniels.
25:46And Okonkwo only 16 games in his career with at least six targets per game, with at least six targets.
25:52And he averaged 11.7 PPR points in those 16 games.
25:55So he's been basically a good low end starter if he gets those chances.
25:59His yards after the catch avoided tackle rate over his past three seasons dwarfs what Ertz has done in his past two.
26:06It is an upgrade for the commanders. You just have to watch out for Stefan Diggs signing, Antonio Williams breaking out, Traylon
26:12Burks getting healthy and suddenly morphing into a first round pit.
26:16Like all these things, they're hurdles, but they're not necessarily like straight up roadblocks for Okonkwo being good.
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28:22Jude. If we did like the buckets where people get to choose, if I have to grow the beard out throughout the
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29:21Heath was worried about the, the beard stuff going over like a lead balloon.
29:25It's definitely going to go over like a lead balloon in his house.
29:29Uh, Ben had a very good comment in the chat says shave three lines in your beard and I'm in.
29:35All right. All right. Enough picking on me. Let's get to the players.
29:39We love at the tight end position. Heath, who's your favorite breakout this year?
29:43My, this is the one where I really just like stole the thunder, the most obvious breakout pick of all time.
29:49It's Colson Loveland, but I really do think like you were talking about the guys who average 16 fantasy points per game and how good their offenses are.
29:57It's kind of funny because Loveland's definitely for most people, a tier below Brock Bowers and Trey McBride.
30:03But if you were going to ask who's, who could be on a really great offense this year amongst the top three
30:09tight ends, everyone would say Colston Loveland. Um, I'm going to be on beyond the box score talking about ambiguous target trees in just about, uh, 45 minutes.
30:17And the first one we're talking about is the bears as of right now.
30:22I just have Loveland, Odunze and burden all projected for a 20% target share.
30:26So just tied. If Colston Loveland is the number one option in Chicago, he could absolutely be better than Brock Bowers and Trey McBride this season.
30:33He's I, I love him in round four. I don't ever seem to get him there.
30:38I know Adam, you say his ADPs there. He's not, not generally in our drafts or at least when I'm picking.
30:44Um, but yes, Colston Loveland breakout, everyone obvious. Is there anything that concerns you about Loveland?
30:49I'm going to throw a stat at you. And I, cause you know, Jacob Gibbs loves Loveland and I threw this stat
30:56at Jacob and he did not seem to like it very much.
30:59Uh, now we gave 16 points per game for Bowers and McBride, you know, to justify the two, three turn.
31:05Can I just say 15 points per game for Loveland or 15?
31:09In round four, I think 14 would be fine.
31:11Okay. So I, even a little lower than that would be okay.
31:15Let's just take 15 though, just as an example, real quick, seven tight ends have averaged 15 points per game over the last five seasons.
31:22They have averaged 9.1, 8.4, 8.9, 6.3, 9.0, 9.2, and 9.9 targets per game.
31:27So the six of the seven tight ends averaged 8.4 or more targets per game.
31:31And, and those are the guys who averaged 15 points per game over the last five years.
31:36And the one guy who didn't do it was George Kittle.
31:39And we know George Kittle is, is the man in terms of 14 points per game.
31:44Over the last five years, there have been 14 tight ends who have averaged 14 or more points per game.
31:50Eight of them averaged more than eight targets per game.
31:5310 of them averaged more than seven targets per game.
31:56So right there, bam, 10 of 14 tight ends who scored 14 or more points per game in the last five years, averaged seven targets per game.
32:04That's 119 targets per year. You at home, ask yourself, do we think Colson Loveland can get that?
32:09There have been guys, George Kittle three times and Tucker Craft in eight games last year, averaged 14 or more PPR fantasy
32:16points with less than seven targets per game. But that's usually the number you need.
32:20You haven't projected for 119. I've got him projected for 126.
32:23Hey, okay. Hey, then we're in the money. And that's what the 20% target share.
32:28Yeah. Great. That's great. Okay. Dave, who's your favorite breakout?
32:31I like the idea of Isaiah likely as the number two target getter in New York and someone who would obviously get
32:37a lot of work if Malik neighbors weren't ready to start the season.
32:41But based on what we've seen on social media in the last 24 hours, Malik neighbors is going to be ready to start the season.
32:49And that's still a good thing for Isaiah likely, because I think there will be enough targets to go around.
32:55We're likely can at least average around six per game, something that he didn't really have the opportunity to do a lot of in Baltimore.
33:02We know about the athletic profile. We know that he's a mismatch problem.
33:06We know that Matt Nagy does have a tendency to lean on his tight end.
33:10Granted, Travis Kelsey was his tight end for a bunch of time in Kansas city.
33:15And in Chicago, he tried to make it work with Trey Burton.
33:18Trey Burton was a little below average, but he's still, it's still something that he's had.
33:23It's a component of his offenses. It's been consistent.
33:26Jackson dart had a 22.8% target rate to his tight ends last year.
33:30Honestly, that's below average. I think that number could go up.
33:33Isaiah likely nine career games, six or more targets, 12 and a half PPR points in eight of the nine, 14.8 in six of the nine.
33:41He just needs targets. I think he's on a team where he's going to get them.
33:45And I love the ADP. He's going right around a hundredth overall.
33:49That's a steal. I think, I think Dave and I have one fight coming up on the show, but, but we've come together on Sam Laporta.
33:57We've come together early in the off season. We were arguing about Laporta likely in pits.
34:01We've come together on Isaiah likely. We have, we've got, we've got one more coming together.
34:06Yeah. We're not going to come together a little bit later.
34:09Not happening. Jamie, who's your favorite breakout? I mean, it's a guy that was on his way to doing it last year.
34:16So I'll just hope he gets a full season of it, but it's Tucker craft.
34:20Um, he's talked about ambiguous receiving cores. I mean, the Packers are right up there, uh, at the top of the list
34:27as well, you know, so who's going to be the leader in targets for this team.
34:32They lose 131 targets from Romeo Dobbs and Don Tavenwix leaving craft was averaging just shy of six targets per game.
34:38Hopefully we get a little bit more opportunities for him.
34:41First of all, hopefully he's healthy, but you know, I think if you just look at what he was on his way
34:47to doing last year, had he finished the season, he would be, I think in the conversation to be in the top
34:54five, if not maybe the top three as well.
34:56So, uh, lots of love about craft scenario here.
34:59So you have Christian Watson and Matthew golden and Jane Reed, you know, all competing to lead the team in targets.
35:05This is a team that typically does not have one true alpha in the LaFleur era, uh, since Devante Adams left, excuse me.
35:12So we'll see if, you know, we can get 120 target season.
35:16I don't know if that's realistic, but 110, I think that's certainly within the realm of possibilities for Tucker craft.
35:22And I think if he gets those chances, he had, I think it was, uh, six touchdowns in the nine games he played.
35:28Um, yeah, he did six. Yeah. I have an eight games, eight games, eight games, eight games.
35:34He played, um, it's just, you know, easy to gravitate towards somebody like this again.
35:38Hopefully that he's healthy. Didn't love that. He started on the public, but that's not a guarantee that he misses week.
35:44Yeah. Tucker craft expects to come off the pup list.
35:47And I think you look at his 17 game pace.
35:50If you take out week nine, when he tore his ACL, it's a hundred targets, which for him is, is, is enough,
35:57not necessarily to be amazing, but to return value 73 catches, 1139 yards, 15 touchdowns.
36:01There's some flukiness. He had a bunch of like long touchdowns with a lot of yak that no one has basically ever
36:08done before in an eight game sample size. Uh, he is the best yak tight end probably in the history of the NFL.
36:14I don't think that's an exaggeration. 9.1 yards after the catch, um, which is in his career.
36:19That's the most since true media started tracking it with a minimum of 50 targets.
36:24Uh, he's incredible. You just have to wonder what's he going to be like coming off 20 ACL.
36:29He's back to being himself. He's, he's so good.
36:32And guys, honestly, that my, my issue with the tight end position is I just, I don't know who has the best value.
36:39If you start get past those neck, those top three, I know that none of us are going to take Harold Fannin Jr.
36:46In round six as the fourth tight end. I don't, I don't think not when we can wait and get someone else.
36:52Right. But, but on CBS, Harold Fannin Jr. Is the eighth tight end, but you know, Harold Fannin Jr.
36:58In round six. Oh, sorry. Tyler Warren in round five as the, so Fannin was the fifth tight end.
37:03My bad. Warren in round five, Fannin in round six, Pitts in round six, the Porter round seven, Kraft in round seven, Kittle round eight.
37:11What's the best value there? LaPorta. LaPorta. LaPorta's up there.
37:14I don't hate Warren. As tight end four in round five.
37:17Sure. And yeah, I don't hate that. I also think that if Tucker Kraft is moving around just fine and all reports
37:24are hunky dory out of Green Bay, he's moving up.
37:26Yeah. Because first he's got to get off the pup.
37:29Right. First he's got to get off the pup list.
37:32Then he's got to, you know, be eased into practice.
37:35Hopefully that happens sooner than later. But I think anytime you've got a tight end, that's already winning in terms of hyper efficiency.
37:42And then there's the possibility of giving him more opportunities to take advantage of that efficiency.
37:47You could have a real, just an absolute game wrecker on your fantasy team.
37:51So there's potential there for Kraft for sure. Just got to see it.
37:55And I don't talk about Tyler Warren much at all.
37:58I mostly agree with Dave saying like Tyler Warren in round five is good.
38:02I just can't pull the trigger when Sam Laporta is in round seven.
38:06Cause I think they're kind of the same guy.
38:09We got to get into Laporta here. We got to take a break though.
38:13So we'll get to our busts after this. Then we'll do an ADP review and talk about Laporta, talk about pits, very
38:19important players, very exciting prospects going into the 2026 season and what they could do.
38:24But obviously I'm here with my, with my pitcher of cold water.
38:27I got to pour it on here just to give the, just to be the devil's advocate and we'll be right back.
38:34Wait, was that, that was only the second break I took, right?
38:37I didn't take a third break. Did I? That was your second break.
38:41Okay. All right. Who's going to be a bust, Jamie?
38:44I said it at the start of the show.
38:47It's Fannin. You know, I'm just concerned. Tight end eight's not bad, but I don't think we ever see him get there
38:53in, in drafts that we don't do. So I understand the excitement for him.
38:58He was awesome last year, led the team in targets.
39:00Had one of the best tight end coaches, maybe in NFL history.
39:04He loses that. He gets a quarterback that doesn't throw to his tight ends, at least based on what we're expecting to
39:11see at the start of the season with Watson starting over Sanders.
39:14And now you have these two rookie wide receivers, a first round pick in Casey Concepcion, a second round pick in Denzel Boston.
39:21You still have Jerry duty there for what it's worth.
39:24The receiving core is much better. And so I just think we're going to see Fannin take a step backwards.
39:30I don't think he's going to be bad. I don't think he's going to be outside the top 12, barring just something
39:36disastrous, but I don't want to draft him where I think you're probably going to have to draft in which I think
39:43is closer to tight end six than tight end eight.
39:46Dave, who's going to be a bust? Kyle Pitts.
39:49Okay. Here we go. This is where Heath and Dave are not aligned.
39:52Ridiculous. Absurd. Absurd. He's been in the league five years.
39:55I have eyes. We all have eyes. He's been, he has not met expectations once except last year in five games without Drake London.
40:02He was a monster. 8.8 targets per game, 19 PPR points per game.
40:06That looked like the guy that we had drafted as an early pick in dynasty drafts.
40:11And then it went away and he didn't get off to a good start.
40:15How did he do in 12 games with Drake London?
40:189.6 PPR points per game. That's on 6.2 targets per game, almost as many targets per game as Bijan Robinson had last year.
40:25And I get it. Kevin Stefanski is this great tight end wizard.
40:29Who's going to turn Kyle Pitts into Travis Kelsey.
40:31And gosh, look at what he's done with all those guys in, in Cleveland.
40:35I'm going to bet against it because I've seen it enough times from Kyle Pitts.
40:40And on top of that, you've got quarterbacks that aren't a hundred percent.
40:44They're not great throwers to begin with. I don't know if, if to a tongue of a, yeah, once upon a time
40:50he did support Tyree kill and Jalen Waddle. I don't know if he's going to be able to do that in Atlanta with Drake London and Kyle Pitts.
40:59I'll bet on London all day long. I think those easy targets will be there.
41:03There's buzz about other wide receivers in Atlanta. I don't want to overrate Kyle Pitts based on the numbers that he got
41:09in five games, including one monster game against Tampa.
41:12London wasn't there for that either. He's, he's exciting, but he's been teasing us for five years, Adam.
41:17I don't think Kevin Stefanski can save him and turn him into somebody that's going to be at the top five tight end.
41:24And I sure as hell, they're not drafting him as a top five tight end.
41:29He's not being drafted as a top five tight end.
41:32So I think if we're like using, calling somebody a bus based on an ADP that is higher than the ADP that they actually have.
41:39He's tight end six. He's tight end six. Okay.
41:42So he's not in six and he's certainly not a top 70 pick.
41:46Where's he going right now? He's almost at 70.
41:48Yeah. So he's a little bit ahead of 70.
41:51I would also, I would also say that like a thousand yard season as a rookie tight end averaging 9.3 yards per target is good.
41:58That's great. That was five years ago. The last five games weren't the only time he's ever been good.
42:04He did suffer a PCL injury in the middle of 2022, which we've come to find out the PCL is a pretty bad thing.
42:11It basically destroyed Brock Bowers last year. Um, the other thing I would say is like Kevin Stefanski, the last three seasons,
42:18his offense, 166 targets to the tight ends, 166 targets to the tight ends.
42:22That was two years in a row. I didn't repeat myself.
42:25169 targets to the tight ends. He goes to Atlanta.
42:28They give Kyle Pitts $7 billion, just an enormous tight end contract.
42:32And we're just supposed to expect that they're not going to throw the ball to the tight ends as much as Kevin Stefanski always has.
42:39It's not even Stefanski calling the plays. No, it's the guy that was calling the plays the last three years for him.
42:46I don't think he was calling plays the last three years.
42:49Two years? Yeah. Two years. All right, fine. That's fine.
42:52Reeves is certainly in line to deserve credit for that too.
42:55Yeah, six targets per game is where he's been basically.
42:58That's where he was last year with London. I'm telling you, I don't think he's going to go up much more than that.
43:05I think just to go back to your Tua point, Johnnie Smith, 13.1 PPR points two years ago with Tua Tonga Bailoa.
43:11Yeah, right. But that was the only, yes, it's true.
43:14Darren Waller was good when he was healthy. Darren Waller in three of the five games they played together.
43:20That's the comparison that I'll buy into. You can get me on that one for sure.
43:25Johnnie was like used like a running back almost because he was getting these little short dink targets.
43:30Now they could use Pitts the same way. We don't know for sure, but the way that the Dolphins used Waller last
43:37year, absolutely in line with what Pitts potentially could do.
43:40No question about it. This is a topic for another show, but if we're bumping up Pitts because of Stefanski, are we lowering London or Bijan Robinson?
43:48Because those guys had a bunch of targets last year.
43:51London had 112 and Bijan had 103. And London only played 12 games, but let me not get off on that tangent.
43:57No, no, it's funny you say that about Bijan because I'll have a story up by the end of the week of
44:04making a case why every player in the first round could be a bust.
44:08And Stefanski, the most targets he gave to one running back since 2020 was 63.
44:12Right. This is where I go back to personal.
44:15And his number one running back in that span from 2020 to 2025 averaged 44 targets per game.
44:20Like that's scary for Bijan. It's scary, but that's coaching malpractice if he does that.
44:25It's coaching malpractice. It's also going against everything Tua does.
44:28So, you know, it's just, you know, it's counterintuitive to what the player and the quarterback have.
44:33But just in terms of, you just said it, Stefanski's offense does not like throwing to running back.
44:38Again, he didn't have a player like Bijan Robinson.
44:41Well, a lot of, a lot of their dump offs just go to tight ends instead of running backs.
44:46And listen, it's not like he hasn't had any good running backs in that stretch.
44:51Like there was a Nick Chubb years. Yeah, but he doesn't have a good pass catching running back.
44:56Nick Chubb is like Derrick Henry. No, he had Kareem Hunt for a few years, which is not the same as Bijan
45:03Robinson, but he did some nice things at the pass.
45:06And tell me who his wide receivers were in Cleveland.
45:08And maybe there's one I'm forgetting. He had Amari Cooper.
45:11Yeah. He had Amari Cooper. Jerry Judy had a great year one year.
45:15Yeah, I meant to ask you this. When you did the Parker Washington late season finishes, was Judy on that list?
45:22I'd have to go back and look. But yeah, he has to.
45:25Are you talking, what are you talking about? Like big season?
45:28When you said guys had great late season finishes, was he part of that graphic?
45:33Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, two years ago. And just for, to finish that discussion, Adam, I've got it at 28% target share
45:39for Drake London, 22% for Kyle Pitts, 18% for Bijan.
45:42Okay. All right. Totally fair. What's the overall projection for Pitts?
45:4693 catches, 1,045 yards, six touchdowns. Because six touchdowns is the most obvious part.
45:50Right. So a career year for Kyle Pitts. All right.
45:53What do I need here? I need a bust from Heath?
45:56Oh, yes. Yes. Go for it. I mean, it's Trey McBride.
45:59I think he's awesome. But also last year, he was third in yards per outrun.
46:04That's good. 11th in fantasy points per target, 12th in yards per target, 15th in explosives per target, 16th in yak per reception.
46:10And you're like, well, how in the world was he so much better than every other tight end?
46:16He ran 122 more routes than any other tight end.
46:19Basically two more games worth of routes for Trey McBride than any other tight end.
46:23I think it's probable that Jacoby Brissett's not going to be quite as good as he was last year.
46:29It's probable that we're going to see Carson Beck for a third of the season, maybe more.
46:34And I think we're going to some of that great McBride came with Marvin Harrison Jr.
46:39not on the field, especially when it comes to the touchdowns.
46:42And he and Michael Wilson, who has ascended. So McBride's still a top two tight end for me right now.
46:48I haven't quite been brave enough to move Colston Loveland ahead of him, but I may if I get a couple of training camp highlights.
46:55No, but I just don't think he's going to be worth the squeeze.
46:59I basically have him and Loveland does the same thing.
47:02Okay, it's tough. It all makes sense. But this is a guy in his last 43 games is on pace for 159 targets.
47:09So which is which is about what drew pets and Kevin Stavansky average per year.
47:13He's really good. He also had he had 18 end zone targets last year, which led the NFL Trey McBride.
47:19But when Marvin Harrison Jr. was on the field, he only had six of them.
47:24Marvin Harrison Jr. actually dominated the end zone targets basically for the second straight year.
47:28If I were if I were the Cardinals, the perfect play design and I probably would do it like almost any time in the red zone.
47:36I would just make sure that Marvin crosses in front of McBride.
47:39He'll drop it. Yeah, go right through his hands and McBride will catch touchdown.
47:44Yeah, it's not been a good camp so far for Marvin Harrison Jr.
47:47So yeah, McBride's super interesting. We've talked about him in depth.
47:51I would encourage you maybe if you want to listen to the Beyond the Box Square episode that Jacob and I did on Trey McBride.
47:58It was a lot, a lot as much Trey McBride info as you could possibly handle.
48:03But yeah, tough player to to to to pass on.
48:06But also we make compelling cases why he could really regress.
48:09OK, just a couple of things you need to know.
48:12Remember, top two in targets over the last 10 seasons.
48:15There have only been four tight ends who have finished as a top five overall, not per game, top five tight end
48:22in PPR and have not been first or second on their team in targets.
48:26So that is 50 tight ends. Forty six of them who have finished top five have been first or second on their team in targets.
48:33And this is you know, we talk greater late for quarterback.
48:3638% of the tight ends who have finished top five overall in PPR in the last decade were drafted in round 10 or later.
48:43Greater late exist. And sometimes they come out of absolutely nowhere like John Smith a couple of years ago.
48:49So I'll ask you the same question. I asked you about quarterbacks.
48:53Who are the who are the three you think that can qualify for this?
48:57Based on average draft position that could become a top five tight end.
49:01Definitely Okonkwo. Kincaid. Because I still think he's a really good player.
49:04Yeah. And then, yeah, so I said round 10 or later.
49:07I mean, there's a bunch of guys. Likely Ferguson, Goddard, Andrews, Kincaid are all rounds 10 and 11.
49:13Did you hear what Liam Cohen said yesterday? I saw he praised Parker Washington, I think.
49:18He always praises Parker Washington. He praises everybody. The two players that Trevor is going to throw the ball the most to are Parker and Brenton Strange.
49:26Oh, great. That's great stuff. Top two of targets.
49:28Jake Ferguson, I think, is going too early personally.
49:31He's going ahead of Goddard and Andrews and Kincaid and all that.
49:34Is he the worst tight end that's probably going to get 100 targets?
49:38Ever? No, no. This season. I'm not sure he gets 100 targets this season.
49:42I don't know that he will because he was pretty.
49:45Every Dak tight end gets 100. I have him projected at 99.
49:49The answer might be Dalton Schultz. But it's one of those two.
49:53Just Jake Ferguson averaged 8.7 points per game in 13 games with CeeDee Lamb.
49:57So he was amazing without CeeDee Lamb. 18.6 points per game.
50:00Four of his eight touchdowns. Five of his 11 end zone targets in four games without Lamb.
50:05I'm counting the Chicago game where Lamb, I believe, left on the opening drive.
50:09He was like – he was basically Kyle Pitts.
50:12It was like the Kyle Pitts-Drake-London splits are basically the Jake Ferguson – CeeDee Lamb splits.
50:17Wait. Does that benefit Ferguson or does that benefit your argument by keeping that game in for Lamb?
50:22Yeah. Benefits Ferguson. Okay. And by the way, yeah, I was going to say he's actually probably a really good handcuff because
50:28if Lamb or Pickens gets hurt, I think Ferguson then could easily be a top five tight.
50:33You know, Ferguson was the number five tight end in fantasy last year.
50:37Well, that's what I'm saying. Like he's going to get – I think Heath's projection is right.
50:42I think he's going to get 100 targets. That's basically what Dak does every year.
50:47He gives his tight end 100 targets. And will he be surprisingly productive?
50:51Like he could be the touchdown tight end this year, you know, the guy that catches seven or eight and just doesn't
50:57have a lot with it and creeps his way into the top 12.
51:01But we're like, we hate that guy. Yeah. Do you guys think Mark Andrews is cooked?
51:06I was watching some tape yesterday and it was not good.
51:09Well, I mean like as far as athleticism goes and all that.
51:13He used to be an elite athlete, I think, at the position.
51:16Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely slowed down, but I still think he's in a position to put up some okay numbers.
51:22He's not a top 12 tight end, but he's close.
51:25Has he said he's in the best shape of his life yet?
51:29No. I don't know, but he has 69 or 70 targets two straight years.
51:33That's just so low. And he's played every game.
51:35Not an exciting tight end to draft. But I would be 0% surprised if he scores 12 touchdowns this year.
51:41Exactly. He's always very involved, Andrews, in the red zone and the green zone and the end zone.
51:47Lamar loves him. Declan Doyle came up as a tight end coach.
51:50They're going to use more tight ends in the offense this year.
51:54Andrews or Goddard? Mike Ditka's nephew. Goddard. Andrews or Goddard?
51:57Dave says Goddard. Goddard. I think I have Andrews one spot higher, but they're both around.
52:02Spider-Man meme. Yep. Hopefully. But we just really haven't seen a lot of Goddard without A.J.
52:06Brown. So there's possibilities for more targets. Certainly more than 70.
52:10I mean... When's the last time we saw Andrews without Isaiah Likely?
52:13We saw, I think, week one. At least week one.
52:16He had like a nothing game against a team that was very good against tight ends.
52:21Baltimore. I'm sorry. In Buffalo. And... All right. Let's do our ADP review.
52:25So Trey McBride and Fantasy Pros is going 20th.
52:27Brock Bowers is going 21st. On CBS, those guys are actually into round three.
52:32Early, early round three. So we talked about that earlier.
52:3420th, certainly too early for McBride. When would you guys take McBride?
52:38When would you take Bowers? I'm good with McBride at 20th.
52:41Oh, okay. I don't want to overthink it. Like, I totally get Heath's point, and I don't think McBride will be as good.
52:48I don't think he scores as many touchdowns. I don't think the targets will be quite up there.
52:53But he also averaged like 19 PPR points per game.
52:56He was like 11th amongst everybody that wasn't a quarterback in fantasy points per game last year.
53:01It's coming down, but it might not come down that much.
53:05He's the best pass catcher on this team. Jacoby Brissett has a long track record of trusting his tight end.
53:11He's going to continue to do that. I am sure that Carson Beck, when he gets on the field, will be told, do the same thing.
53:18Lean on Trey McBride. He's the best guy they have.
53:21They're going to be trailing in every single game.
53:24He's still going to run a ton of routes.
53:27He's still going to have a ton of garbage time.
53:30He's still going to be very, very good. I'm not going to fault you if you put Bowers ahead of him.
53:36But no one else, not even Loveland, you can make a case for in full PPR ahead of Trey McBride.
53:42What are you anticipating as the floor for McBride by calling him a bust?
53:46Like, what does he have to do to justify you being right?
53:4914 fantasy points per game or lower? Yeah, that's not a round two pick.
53:54That's fair. Yeah. That's fair. But that's not going to kill you, though.
53:57Like, if we fast forward six months and that's what McBride has and you took him at 20th overall, like, it's not awesome.
54:04It's not what you drafted him for. It probably is.
54:07It probably is dependent on how he gets to the 14 because Bowers was at 14 last year.
54:13And it was clearly frustrating. Injury, plague. Right. He didn't play.
54:16Big spike game against Jacksonville where everything looked like, OK, he's back.
54:19He's going to be this dominant guy again. And then it was another good game here, bad game there.
54:25Like, you know, so his 14 was really misleading.
54:28I think what I'm really afraid of with McBride is it's 15 fantasy points per game for the first 10 weeks.
54:34And then Carson Beck takes over. And when you need him most, it's 11 and a half.
54:39Well, OK, it's also with the quarterback. Like, they have the worst schedule in the league.
54:44Yeah. You know, so you have everybody healthy going into the season because he dealt with Marvin Harrison missing the second half of the year.
54:51Big portion of the second half of the year.
54:54You have maybe a quarterback change coming at some point.
54:57You have, you know, new coordinator who new play caller who doesn't have the same history as Petsing does or comes from
55:03the same tree that Petsing does not. That's bad, but it's just not the same.
55:08And so, like, again, for me, I'm more Bowers over McBride.
55:11But I just think, like, that's why I wanted to get Heath's, you know, number or, you know, like, where does it
55:18where it's like if he gets you 14, like Dave said, like, that's not awful, but it's not where you're drafting him.
55:24And that's, I think, fair for both sides. Right.
55:27Like, if you had told me 12 instead of 14 and the dude's averaging six catches for 55 yards or even worse,
55:33five catches for 45 yards and he has a touchdown every now and then.
55:37Yeah, that's terrible. But that's I don't think that's possible.
55:40I think he's the best guy that Arizona has, period.
55:43And the other question that you fantasy managers have to ask yourself is, is this really going to be a great year for tight ends?
55:51Because that influences how high Bowers and McBride should go as well.
55:54If you think that we have a deeper position than ever, then the true studs aren't going to stand out quite as much.
56:01They'll still stand out, but not quite as much.
56:04I'm a little skeptical because, look, I've sat here many times and been like, this is going to be a good year for tight end.
56:11We've all been kind of feeling that way and it just, it never works, even though the tight end target rate keeps
56:18going up with that just is other tight ends.
56:20It's not like they're going just to the starting guys that we play in fantasy.
56:25It's all, it's like the, the, it's a macro trend.
56:28It doesn't, you can't apply it to the, every single tight end.
56:31Wasn't last year a pretty great year for tight ends.
56:34Yeah, it was. Okay. It was, but, but, but McBride was still, I mean, a huge advantage.
56:39So much better than everybody else. Yeah. All right.
56:42Um, Bowers was better on a per game basis than George Pickens, James Cook, Drake, London, Chris Olave, Chase Brown.
56:48He was a hundred points better than tight end two.
56:51We haven't seen the best of Brock Bowers yet.
56:54I think that's fair to say. And, and that's amazing since he's been over 14, 14 and a half points or better two straight seasons.
57:01And he's been on one of the worst offenses in the NFL both years.
57:05He played through a sprained PCL and a bone bruise in week one.
57:09They played through for the rest of the year.
57:12Basically we had his former coach on and, and Scott Turner said Brock Bowers might be the most talented player he's ever
57:18coached or the best players ever coach. So we're, you said he was the best player on the team when he was there.
57:25Yeah. That was when Bowers was a rookie. We had, uh, we had Brian McFadden, uh, one of our NFL analysts, former
57:32defensive back for the Steelers in training camp with Las Vegas yesterday.
57:35So I encourage you to find the interview he did with Bowers.
57:39He looks ripped man. Like it's, it's, uh, it, it, it sets up for a great season for him.
57:44I mean, the receiving core is so bad on paper, you know?
57:48And so look, somebody out of Naylor and, uh, Tucker and, and, and best, if they don't add somebody else are going to be okay.
57:55But like this, this was the big prize set up last year, you know, where you had missing time for other guys, inconsistent performances for these guys.
58:03It's just a matter of can Kirk cousins at this point in his career, get what we need to Bowers for him
58:10to be elite or can Mendoza, whenever he starts do the same thing.
58:14I'm going to say yes, because we saw it with cousins and pits last year.
58:18Like there's, there's a lot to love about Bowers and just the setup, you know, forget about the execution, like process and results, different things here.
58:26Like Bowers can be what McBride was last year.
58:29I don't think McBride can do it again. I think Bowers can do that.
58:33Yep. Well, we really only saw it with Penix and pits though, as I recall.
58:37And it's been like that way for both. What was a couple of cousins?
58:41No, no, no, no, no. I'm so sorry. I'm thinking of Penix in London.
58:45It's past in London thing. It was cousins and pits.
58:48Cousins and pits. You're absolutely right. Um, all right.
58:51Let's London wasn't around. Uh, Colson Loveland, you know, we see him going around three could go in round four.
58:57We love Colson Loveland. I'd like to see them throw a screen to him.
59:01He did not have a single screen pass last year.
59:04Uh, that's kind of weird. Most of the top, most of the best tight ends get a lot of those.
59:10He's a high a dot guy, but he's super talented and, uh, should do a lot with his targets.
59:16So then we get Tyler Warren. We haven't discussed much about Tyler Warren here.
59:20He's the fourth tight end off the board. And, uh, Dave, you seem to sound some optimism on him as a round five pick for Tyler Warren.
59:2813.1 PPR points per game in the 12 games with Daniel Jones last year, eight of them with 11 plus PPR.
59:34Michael Pittman's gone and not really replaced. So there's a chance that that target volume can go up.
59:39What if that goes up to a Brock Bowers ask seven and a half per game or a, uh, Trey McBride ask nine per game.
59:47Then we're talking about an absolute smash. And this off, they're still going to continue to do a lot of the concepts that they did last year.
59:55It's get the ball out fast. Let the receivers make a play after the catch.
59:59I, I know that we're excited about Josh Downs.
60:02We don't know where we're at without Pierce. There is nothing but upside in front of Tyler Warren, who's already shown us
60:08in the one year he's been in the league that he's capable of coming through on it.
60:13Red zone beast on top of that. I love drafting him in round five.
60:18Okay. Harold Fannin Jr. In round six. I think that's been discussed enough.
60:21We're not quite there. Kyle pits in round six.
60:24Heath as the Kyle pits guy. Do you think round six is a good value for him?
60:29Yeah. Okay. You're definitely the Sam Laporta guy. Is everybody a Sam Laporta guy in round seven?
60:34We all like Laporta in round seven. Yep. I like Laporta in round six.
60:38Yeah. I think he should go ahead of pits personally, but agreed.
60:42Okay. Why the optimism here for Laporta last year, he was tight end seven per game.
60:47What was the year before that? It was similar the year before that.
60:51Sorry. I'll look that up. This is my favorite, maybe my favorite tight end stats.
60:55I'm glad we're giving it an hour and a minute into the show.
60:59Thank you guys for sticking around. If you like we, we've talked about a lot, Sam Laporta.
61:04His play caller was Trey McBride's play caller the last three years.
61:07If you look at Sam Laporta's career averages versus Trey McBride's career highs, Sam Laporta's career average in yards per target, 8.3.
61:14Trey McBride's career high, 7.8. So Laporta's average is a half yard better than McBride's career best.
61:19Touchdown rate. Sam Laporta scored a touchdown on 7.9% of his targets.
61:23Trey McBride last year was his career high, 6.5%.
61:25Fantasy points per target, 2.05 for his career for Sam Laporta.
61:29Last year was Trey McBride's best at 1.87. Wow.
61:31Yeah. If he gets, if he gets Trey McBride's volume, he's tight end one.
61:35He probably won't because of Munra St. Brown's there, but I do think that he could have the 120 targets that he saw as a rookie.
61:43And when he was, by the way, tight end one.
61:46And Jameson Williams? The thing I think is really interesting with him versus the rookies is he was better than all of the rookies as a rookie.
61:54And he was better than all of the rookies last year.
61:57I think except for maybe Fannin, or maybe he was better than them in terms of fantasy points per game.
62:03Overall, he was better than all three, but that's without Acer statting.
62:07Yeah. No, he was right. He was, he was tight end seven.
62:10On 5.4 targets per game, by the way. Yeah.
62:13Right. And in his rookie year, his, his, his best year by far, Jameson Williams was a complete non-factor.
62:19But yes. And I think I'm going to, I'm getting ready to leave because I have to go talk to Dan and
62:25Ben Gritch on beyond the box score. But one of Dan's questions was, can Sam Laporta take some of Jameson Williams targets?
62:32And that's completely the wrong way to frame it.
62:34When Sam Laporta is on the field, Jameson Williams has to take his targets.
62:38Last year, that was true. 2024, that was not true.
62:41Okay. Okay. At the end, certainly at the end of 2024.
62:45Okay. So if you Acer stat part of one of the three years they've played together, it was Jameson Williams targets.
62:51It's, I would say, first of all, it was half a season and they were starting to get Jameson Williams this past
62:57year is half a season 2025 for Laporta. They were starting at Jameson Williams more involved after the bi-week, even before Laporta's injury.
63:04I don't think it's as clear cut that Jameson Williams is just the third wheel here and that he can't out target.
63:11Or I think they come close. They probably have about the same amount of targets personally.
63:16And they're both going to be really good with them.
63:19And the defense probably isn't going to be that good.
63:21The defense might be awful. I think it might be awful.
63:25But you know, this is where the defense has been the last three years of Laporta's career.
63:3023rd, 7th, and 22nd. And when they were 7th, they didn't throw all that much.
63:34They threw, they were 16th in pass attempts per game.
63:37But they're not going to be there. Right? So 23rd, 22nd, and two of the last three years, the Detroit defense.
63:43We've already seen Detroit with a pretty bad defense.
63:46Could be worse, I suppose. There's one other thing that makes me a little bit nervous.
63:51And listen, I love Laporta. And I think Jameson Williams is hopefully going to get appropriately priced as a number three receiver.
63:57There's a lot of love going around for Isaac Tesla right now.
64:01Sure. And, you know, how much does he still touchdowns from Laporta?
64:04And how much does he still playing time from, or opportunities.
64:08I shouldn't say playing time, but opportunities from everybody.
64:10If they factor him in a little bit more than what we saw last year.
64:15So it's a small thing to consider. But, you know, talented player that can, you know, maybe throw another wrinkle into this
64:21Detroit offense and a problem for some of the guys that we love.
64:25All right. In the interest of transparency, the targets were similar.
64:29But the last six games of 2024, Laporta did out-target Jameson Williams.
64:32But before that, I mean, the first 11 games of 2024, he was horrible.
64:36He was the number 16 tight end per game.
64:39So there is a six-game sample size where Jameson Williams almost got close to Sam Laporta.
64:44I believe 11 games before that, Jameson Williams probably had more targets than Sam Laporta.
64:48I was looking at the last six games. I don't have that.
64:52I gotta go. Yeah, you have to go. But I don't think it's, personally, I don't think it's quite as simple as
64:58Laporta's number two and Jameson's number three. But remember, Scott Turner, the guy we just said, he sang the praises of Brock Bowers.
65:05He actually said that he thinks Jameson Williams is going to have a big year for the Lions.
65:10I think they all could have big years. I'm just a little nervous about Laporta.
65:15He has so many nothing weeks. You know, it's kind of frustrating.
65:18Round six is a fairly early pick. It's how much do you believe in Drew Petsing?
65:23And how much do you believe in the fact that he is going to not completely turn around this offense or flip
65:30it over and make it a Laporta offense? Or lean on him to the same degree that he leaned on Che McBride.
65:36Because when you look at it, it's easy to say, okay, McBride, Dave said it.
65:41I agree. He was the best pass catcher, is the best pass catcher in Arizona.
65:45Sam Laporta's not the best pass catcher in Detroit.
65:48But Petsing still had two really good receivers in Arizona.
65:51Again, maybe not to the level of what we see in Detroit.
65:54You know, because I think on paper you can make the argument pretty easily that St.
65:59Brown and Jameson Williams are better than what the Cardinals have.
66:02But he's still walking in a situation, or leaving a situation, where there were talented wide receivers.
66:07It's not like where Bowers is right now, where the receiving core's terrible.
66:11So, does he come in and it's the Stefanski system that he's been running of feature the tight end, don't use the
66:18running back as much in the passing game, etc., etc.
66:21And then we get, you know, everything sort of different from what we've been used to in Detroit.
66:26Where Laporta, let's face it, look, he's had, like you said, some frustrating weeks, or has frustrating weeks.
66:31His rookie season, it was touchdown dependent. He did a lot of other things with it.
66:36But the reason that he was tight end one was because he scored 10 touchdowns.
66:40Then we come back the second half of year two, and he sucked in the first half, scored a bunch of touchdowns
66:47in the second half when the defense fell apart.
66:50And then we had a little bit of a resurgence where we felt better about him.
66:54And then last year it was sort of up and down a little bit.
66:59So, I think the thing with Laporta is, like, if you – I think we're drafting him appropriately.
67:04I think the market is drafting him appropriately. Like, you're looking at him as a middle of the top 10 type of
67:10tight end, whether you think he's five or eight.
67:13You know, I think that's kind of appropriate for where you're looking at.
67:17So, maybe you like Pitts better, maybe you like Fannin better, maybe you like Kraft better.
67:22Like, all those guys, I think, are in that range of potential outcomes of how it's all going to finish.
67:28But I think just in the case of Laporta, like, you're seeing what he has done, and now you're attaching him to
67:34this guy who has a history of featuring the tight end as the office coordinator.
67:39And that's what you're hoping to find out if it all works out.
67:42I get it. Is there a linebacker or safety that you fear in coverage on the Saints, Bills, Jets, Panthers, Cardinals?
67:49No, look, they have a good schedule. They might not have a good defense.
67:53They have maybe the best schedule. It's all systems go.
67:56Yeah. Now, they play a lot of bad teams.
67:58All right, sorry. Let's move on here. Tucker Kraft in round seven.
68:02Yeah, I think I like Kraft better than Laporta.
68:05I don't know. I mean, it might have – I'm not far off from you, but I just think the fact that
68:11there's the health issue and – Sure. The play caller there.
68:14But look, the runway is clear. Like, I'm excited about Christian Watson.
68:18I like the value of Jaden Reed and Matthew Golden.
68:21But like, what we saw from Kraft last year was like, again, could be – could have been in the discussion to
68:28be tight end three if he had finished what he started.
68:31Like, that's how good it was last season. Man, that stinking ACL.
68:34He's so good. What do you think about Kittle in round eight?
68:38Great. Love it. This is going to be like a day-by-day question.
68:41The longer he stays out and we still have the concerns about the Achilles, the less I'm going to like it.
68:48The worst-case scenario – Well, I mean, the worst-case scenario is he misses the season or he comes back late.
68:54If the scenario is he starts off the season on the pop or he's slow to get going, maybe the second half
69:00of the year is when we get Kittle back, the Kittle that we know and love.
69:05And to wait for that for a round eight pick, I don't hate that at all.
69:10I can find another tight end to help me get through the first two months of the season if it means having
69:16George Kittle waiting to go coming off my pup list.
69:19Two months? I mean, he's talking about being ready for week one.
69:23Well, if he's ready for week one, he's not going in round eight.
69:27Well, he's coming off a torn Achilles and he's 33.
69:29His ADP will jump. I just don't know how much it will jump.
69:33And again, when does he come off the pup list?
69:36Because we know most drafts are going to happen second week of August until the start of the year.
69:42So that will probably determine when that jump happens.
69:45I think the thing that you know with Kittle – look, we dealt with it last year.
69:50He got hurt, what, week two and missed four games?
69:53You know, so it's – the fear I have with Kittle from a roster construction is he's off the pup list, but he sucks.
70:00And now you're having to carry that second tight end when you don't have the luxury of stashing him in an IR spot or on your fantasy team.
70:08And so like that ramp-up period until he's Kittle, if he ever gets back to that, that's the worry there.
70:14It's like, you know, you're having to start this player who's just not very good or carrying two tight ends and then
70:20you're hamstrung a little bit once we get to bye weeks.
70:24And, you know, it's just harder to do. So if you want to avoid that headache, I get it.
70:29But the longer he's on the pup – like it's almost to your benefit, like if he starts the year on the
70:36pup list and you know you can stash him.
70:39And then, you know, you go the route that Dave, I think, is alluding to, you know, with Conkfo.
70:44Andrew's one of those guys, and you're still getting quality production there.
70:48Might even get him in round nine if that happens.
70:51So if they're both back – Later is better.
70:53If they're both going to be back by, let's say, week two, would you rather have Kraft in round seven or Kittle in round eight?
71:01Would you rather have Kraft or Kittle? They're both back in week two.
71:05Kraft. Okay, what if it's a round difference? Kraft.
71:07Okay. After that, we start to get to Travis Kelsey.
71:10I would take Kelsey over Kittle. Kelsey, we don't like Ferguson as tight end 11.
71:15Kelsey, likely, Goddard is the next group. The likely one just doesn't make sense to me.
71:19Like, I get Ferguson and what he did last year, but, like, this is what we've been waiting for for Isaiah likely.
71:26Think about all the fab that was spent on him two years ago when he was that week one guy.
71:32Like, why is the market not more in on Isaiah?
71:35Because he's let us down so many. He let us down last year.
71:39He's let us down in a situation where there was a roadblock.
71:42The roadblock is gone. Doesn't matter. He let people down, and so they remember that.
71:47They don't want to draft him. Yeah, I know.
71:49But the situation has changed much more so for likely than it has for pits.
71:54Both of them are in a better situation now than they were last year at this time.
71:59And just for clarity, just because you brought up, you don't have pits outside your top 12.
72:04He's still a number one tight end. Oh, dude, he's in my top 10.
72:08I'm just not – I totally disagree with the ADP, but I'm also pushing down a lot of tight ends.
72:14So would you rather have Kelsey or likely? Likely.
72:17Likely. I'd rather have likely than Kittle, too. But me, too.
72:20Kelsey was the number six tight end per game with Patrick Mahomes last year.
72:24Now, a stat that really concerns me, though, is he had about an 18.8% target per outrun rate.
72:29That is bad. That is a career low. And remember, Xavier Worthy wasn't himself and missed a lot of time.
72:35Rasheed Rice missed a lot of time. So he doesn't get targeted in the end zone anymore, Travis Kelsey.
72:41If he can start getting targeted – he still runs the routes there, but they never throw to him in the end zone.
72:48If he can get that back, that would be great, but I'm not counting on it.
72:53I think that's going to be Rasheed Rice territory.
72:55The target per outrun rate can't keep going down, and he's going to be 37 years old in October.
73:01But he was really good last year for fantasy, for fantasy, when Patrick Mahomes was healthy.
73:06All right. I think Rice takes away from him, and Kenneth Walker could take away from both Rice and Kelsey.
73:12Tell me if you're interested in Kincaid. He's in that sleeper discussion.
73:15You know, again, this is one of those guys where we're going to keep waiting and hoping, and this is the year,
73:22and all those same conversations that we've had. But I do think, like, when you look at some of the secondary metrics
73:28and the things that he's done, and even if you just look at when he was healthy last year, like, this is
73:35a player that can take a step forward. It's just a matter of, can he stay healthy?
73:40I do like the fact that it seems like his knee problem is not an issue right now.
73:45There's been no talk about any, you know, setbacks or anything that he dealt with last year, because last year at this
73:52time it was, okay, still working through it. We hope he's going to be healthy, blah, blah, blah.
73:57I like, so if you're looking at, you know, like the second tier tight ends that you're drafting, I would take the
74:03chances on Goddard and Okonkwo and those type of players.
74:06I think there's more upside for him than, let's say, Dolchets, just because at least there's a track record with Kincaid, and
74:13you could buy into the quarterback a little bit more.
74:16It would not be a surprise at all if he's second on the team in targets behind DJ Moore.
74:22I would still think that's probably Khalil Shakir, but again, you're looking at Kincaid's role and opportunity, and he could be the touchdown guy for the Bills.
74:30So I don't want to overvalue him in saying, like, he should be a top 12 guy, but top 15, yeah, he's in that conversation for sure.
74:38Dolchets Kincaid has never had more than five green zone or end zone targets, never had more than four green zone or end zone targets in a season.
74:46Which is crazy because he's been a touchdown-dependent fantasy tight end, so he's made a bunch of touchdowns from outside of where you're talking.
74:53He has seven career games. He's played 41 games, which, given his career and how many years he's been in the league
75:00tells you just how much time he's missed with injury.
75:02Seven career games with double-digit PPR points and no touchdowns.
75:05It's not even 20% of his games. Maybe that's good.
75:08I don't know, but that doesn't – it makes me feel like he has to score in order for you to be
75:15satisfied with what he gives you from week to week.
75:18Let's end it here. I want to talk about Kenyon Sadiq, Jawan Johnson, a rookie tight end for the Patriots.
75:24That's getting a little bit of buzz right now.
75:27Maybe a little more on Chigo Conkwo. Can TJ Hawkinson bounce back?
75:30Greg Dolcich, a little bit more. We're going to – we have another show tomorrow, so we'll do tight end leftovers tomorrow.
75:37We'll answer some of your mailbag questions. We have a mock draft that we're doing today.
75:41We can talk about that as well. But we haven't quite finished the tight end preview yet.
75:46So part two of the tight end preview, just the – I don't even know if they're going to be late-round picks.
75:53They're probably going to be free agent editions, but some of them really could make a difference, and we'll discuss them on tomorrow's show.
76:00Thanks to Dave and Jamie and Heath. Thomas and Sam are producers.
76:04I'm Adam. Thanks to you all for watching and listening.
76:07We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today.
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