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Adam vs. Heath! Rankings Fight! (06/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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49 min
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Jun 9, 2026
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Tue, June 9, 2026
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Bo NixCaleb WilliamsChase BrownAmon-Ra St. BrownChuba HubbardD.J. MooreDrake LondonJared GoffJonathon BrooksJosh AllenLuther BurdenPuka Nacua
Player analysis
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Amon-Ra St. Brown
PositiveProjection0:09
Amon-Ra St. Brown has consistently performed well, but there are concerns about his target share potentially decreasing with the involvement of other players.
Insight pageBo Nix
NegativeBust0:22
Bo Nix has been disappointing, leading the NFL in pass attempts but failing to reach 4,000 yards or 30 touchdowns, raising concerns about his fantasy viability.
Insight pageNegativeInjury0:27
Bo Nix is coming off ankle surgery, which raises concerns about his rushing ability and overall performance this season.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:43
Caleb Williams reminds the analyst of Bo Nix from last year, indicating a cautious outlook on his potential MVP-type season.
Insight pageCaleb Williams
PositiveBreakout0:29
Caleb Williams has significant upside, with the potential to rush for over 300 yards and more touchdowns, making him an intriguing fantasy option.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:43
Caleb Williams is being drafted considerably earlier than players like Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, and Trevor Lawrence, despite not being significantly better than them.
Insight pageChase Brown
PositiveBreakout0:18
Chase Brown finished strong last season and has shown he can be a top performer when healthy, averaging over 20 fantasy points per game in key matchups.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout0:21
Chase Brown showed significant improvement last year, averaging 4.8 yards per carry in his last 10 games, and has the potential to emerge as a strong rusher.
Insight pageChuba Hubbard
NegativeValue0:21
Chuba Hubbard is currently being drafted 69th overall, but Jonathan Brooks at his ADP of 111 is a better value according to Heath.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
PositiveValue0:43
The decision between drafting DJ Moore and Burden is challenging, as both are going early in drafts.
Insight pageDrake London
PositiveBreakout0:18
Drake London has shown significant potential, being a 'sleeping giant' with a high upside, especially considering his performance in the first half of the previous season.
Insight pageJared Goff
PositiveValue0:28
Jared Goff has been consistently productive, leading the NFL in passing yards and touchdowns over the last four years, making him a solid fantasy option.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
PositiveRole0:05
The Panthers could make Jonathan Brooks their lead back if he's healthy, as they let Rico Dowdle go because they felt Brooks was ready to take on that role.
Insight pageJosh Allen
PositiveValue0:38
Josh Allen remains a top fantasy quarterback, but his recent performance has raised questions about his ceiling compared to other options.
Insight pageLuther Burden
PositiveSleeper0:37
Luther Burden has the potential to be a top fantasy wide receiver with projected 120 targets, especially after DJ Moore's departure, which could elevate his role.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
PositiveProjection0:09
Puka Nakua had an outstanding rookie season and has shown the potential for a high target share, making him a strong fantasy option despite some concerns about regression.
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Episode Transcript
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1:01Like from a riveting podcast. This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports.
1:05It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.
1:10Yeah, let's do it. It's a battle today on Fantasy Football Today.
1:14I'm picking on Heath's rankings. I've got five questions about Heath's rankings.
1:18Yo, what's up with that? Heath? Why are you ranking Drake London ahead of Chase Brown?
1:23Why are you ranking Amon Ross St. Brown ahead of Puka Nakua?
1:27And the best part is we've got Twitter polls to back it up.
1:31We'll see who the people are. I don't even know the results.
1:35I don't know if they're going to be on Team Adam.
1:38You know the results. I mean, I know they're going to pick Puka.
1:43I think they're going to pick London. They're definitely going to pick Josh Allen over Luther Burden.
1:48I think they're going to pick Tyler Shuck over Bo Nix, which is not my stance.
1:53I didn't do a Twitter poll this morning, but I did try to promote the show a little bit.
1:59I don't know that we've ever planned out a show more likely to go off the rails.
2:05Well, Nando wasn't coming on as a guest. Or Dan.
2:08Wait, why do you think this one's going to be?
2:11Why do you think it's going off the rails?
2:14Well, we've got Angry Adam Azer after his Knicks lost game three.
2:18That's okay. And it's just you and me. And you're setting it up intentionally as like, I'm going to attack Heath's rankings, which is just like conflict.
2:27Yeah. And then you chose like three of the guys you chose are within like four places in my rankings in my overall top 200.
2:35So it's like guys that I have right next to each other.
2:38So I'm going to get really angry about that.
2:41Well, okay. Okay. So I think the one name that stands out the most in your rank, well, actually there's a few.
2:48The one where I think the rankings are just wacky are Zay Flowers.
2:53You have them super high. Mike Evans, you have like 305th or something.
2:57Yes. Like 95th. 95th. Yeah. And I feel like we talk about them every day.
3:02Right. So yeah, I did want to have some.
3:04Just for the point, I guess we could make this the YouTube poll because Adam clearly would rather have Mike Evans than Zay Flowers.
3:12No. Mike Evans or Zay Flowers. And we'll see.
3:15Maybe I'll win one poll today. No, I would rather have Zay Flowers than Mike Evans.
3:20But I don't think they should be. Not what it sounds like to me.
3:25They shouldn't be 70 spots apart in your rankings or whatever.
3:28They're not 70 spots. They're probably 60 spots. Anyway, yeah.
3:31So we have five kind of disputes. And a couple of them are high stakes.
3:36A couple of them are high stakes. Early round one, late round one, or early round two.
3:42I like it. I'm excited. We do have some news and notes as well.
3:46Let's get to that. By the way, I have to.
3:49So remember last week I said the Knicks would be the biggest underdog ever if they won the finals?
3:55So it was actually, I misinterpreted. It's based, and I don't know why I'm even talking about this.
4:01I felt bad in case you were at the water cooler telling all your friends at work this and that.
4:08It was based on their odds entering the playoffs, not entering the finals.
4:12Ah, that makes much more. I think we actually said or speculated that that was the case.
4:17Yeah. And I don't, I think there's a very, very low risk that people are taking things they heard you say and
4:24telling them as facts outside in the outside world.
4:27That is my goal. I don't think people know that.
4:30I have a water cooler goal. I have a water cooler goal that we're going to give some stats on the show
4:37that are so, so interesting that you're going to go to your water cooler.
4:42You know, at work and be like, Hey, did you know that Jared golf over the last four years leads the NFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns?
4:51And he's got 1200 more passing yards than number two on the list.
4:55Patrick Mahomes. I think you need it to be shorter.
4:58Like the problem with a lot of your stats is somebody has to go to the water cooler.
5:04And did you know, did you know, if you remove weeks three, seven and 12 and only count the games where his
5:11top two wide receivers play the Jared golf averaged 400 fantasy points per game?
5:16I would, I would say that, but yeah, that's exactly right.
5:19Yeah. But that's more like at the coffee machine, right?
5:22You guys like five minutes to kill, but no.
5:25Did you know that Jared golf over the last four years leads the NFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns, but he's
5:32ninth best in fantasy points per game. So that's, that's water cooler stuff.
5:36All right. News and notes. Cameron Wolf of NFL network thinks that the Panthers, we had a, we had a different report
5:43on Jonathan Brooks that the Panthers kind of want to see him ramp up and maybe take, more work later in the air.
5:51This is Cameron Wolf of NFL network. He went on the air and he said, the Panthers could make the Jonathan Brooks,
5:58their lead back if he's healthy, not necessarily in week one.
6:01And he said, one of the, that was interesting.
6:04The last thing he said in the clip was that the Panthers could let re they let Rico Dowdle go in the
6:11off season in part because they felt Brooks was ready to be the guy in this backfield.
6:17So right now, Heath, we have Chuba Hubbard going 69th overall and Brooks going 111th overall.
6:22Yeah. Yeah. And I think Chuba Hubbard's another one of those guys that if you were trying to do a good job
6:29of choosing rankings to pick on, you could have chosen because I have him 91st.
6:34So I am, I'm, I'm into this. I'd much rather draft Jonathan Brooks at his ADP than Chuba Hubbard.
6:40Okay. And Atlanta quarterback coach Alex Van Pelt said the team can't have a real quarterback competition until Michael Penix Jr.
6:47is healthy, which could be pretty soon. He's making some good progress and could be cleared for 11 on 11 fairly soon.
6:54Arizona, they started their mandatory minicamps. Jacoby Brissett did report, not exactly sure how much he's going to be doing, but he did report to camp.
7:02Cam Scadaboo, Giants also started their mandatory minicamps. Uh, Cam Scadaboo was doing drills and minicamp.
7:07So that's a good sign. Legereus Sneed back to the chiefs where he prospered.
7:12The chiefs need cornerbacks. They lost Jalen Watson and McDuffie to the Rams while they signed Legereus Sneed who had two pretty
7:19bad years, injury plagued years with the Tennessee Titans.
7:22One year zero, one year deal worth up to $5 million.
7:25And Jacksonville running back, Chris Rodriguez should be full go by training camp.
7:29He has a foot injury, but it doesn't seem serious.
7:33Well, Heath, you know, the NBA finals have been pretty good.
7:36Three really good games. I'm not sure if you're, you're aware.
7:40The Stanley cup finals have been much better. I mean, unbelievable.
7:43I do not believe that. Unbelievably dramatic. I, well, for me personally, and this is a subjective question, um, for me personally,
7:50I don't think you could construct a hockey match.
7:53That would be more exciting to me than a basketball game.
7:57Game. Uh, that's fine. But my point is there's a lot going on in the sports world right now.
8:03We do have these minicamps. We do have hockey.
8:06We do have baseball. We do have basketball. I'm sure people are golfing somewhere.
8:10If you want to stay in touch and on top of all of it, watch CBS sports HQ on the CBS sports app.
8:17Um, it's free. It's 24 seven sports streaming. It's great.
8:21CBS sports HQ. Okay, here we go. I was told to keep that bell at very low volume.
8:26You guys are welcome. He blew out one of my eardrums already this morning.
8:31The bell was set at 100. We, we got it knocked down to like 30.
8:36Yeah. I, and Thomas reminded me that the last time I used it, everyone, everyone in the chat was really pissed.
8:42Also. Yeah. We got to give Heath some, some flack for calling it a hockey match.
8:48They call them games. They're games. It's basically just soccer on ice.
8:51Oh, that's an interesting take. Um, okay. So, uh, anyway, back to the football pitch.
8:56So let's go. Adam takes on Heath. The first one is Amon Ross St.
9:01Brown Brown ahead of Puka Nakua. What does the Twitter poll say?
9:05Uh, we'll take a look at a minute, but you know, the, uh, the consensus has Puka ahead.
9:10Dave and Jamie have Puka ahead. You have St.
9:13Brown one spot ahead, but that's a high stakes.
9:16That's a high stakes decision that people would have to make.
9:20And I don't really get it because it wasn't even close last year.
9:24And St. Brown has never shown the upside that Puka has.
9:27Yeah. I, again, I, and we've, we've talked about this before.
9:31I generally will look at larger samples if we have them.
9:34Um, and over the last three years, Puka has still been just a little bit better than a Munro St.
9:41Brown. I think it's a half of a fantasy point that separates them over the last three years.
9:47Um, and some people only care about the upside and, and maybe Puka has just a little bit more.
9:53I don't believe Matthew Stafford is throwing 46 touchdown passes again.
9:56And so that makes me kind of question, does Puka actually have the upside of what he scored last year?
10:03I think there's some pretty significant regression coming for this past offense and St.
10:07Brown was better than Puka in 23. Puka was, I think maybe a half a point better in 24 last year.
10:14Puka was a lot better, but I kind of view them both as a very similar in terms of probably going to
10:21score right around 19 PPR fantasy points per game.
10:24Um, and Dave says this, sometimes you don't want to lose your draft in round one.
10:29And I do think that Puka is a bigger risk just because of the potential injury to him, to Matthew Stafford, and
10:36because of the up and down nature of Stafford's last few years.
10:40To push back a little bit here. Um, I don't think it's fair to look at the last three years with Puka, Naku and Amon Ross St.
10:48Brown, because one of those years was Puka's rookie season, which was the best rookie season in wide receiver history, basically up there.
10:56Um, but still he's been even better than that.
10:59So like St. Brown had a great rookie season, but it was only the last six games or so.
11:05But usually I, usually I feel like guys take a big players of this caliber, take a big jump in year two.
11:12So if you just look at years two and three, I think you probably have a bigger edge for Puka Nakua.
11:19You probably so. I just think like in year two, it was Puka at 18.8 Amon Ross St.
11:24Brown at 18.7. Yeah. Of course, Amon Ross St.
11:27Brown scored 110 more fantasy points because he played all season like he always does.
11:32You're talking about 2024? Yes. So Puka started that year playing 32% of the snaps, 57% of the snaps, 35% of the snaps.
11:39He basically did not play a normal snap share.
11:42You know, I mean, I guess he just had kind of a lower normal snap share.
11:47But that was because he was not healthy. Is that right?
11:51Yes. Okay. Um, almost positive. Uh, yeah. Week. Well, yes.
11:54Week one. Yeah. He left with an injury and then I think he came back and didn't play a full snap share in week eight.
12:02And then I'm not sure what happened in week nine, but that was an overtime game.
12:07He must've left with an injury, 35% of snaps.
12:10After that, in his last eight games where he's playing his normal snaps, Puka Nakua, last eight games of 2024 averaged or
12:17on pace for 142 catches, 1,781 yards, only six touchdowns, but 189 targets.
12:21I do think that St. Brown, I would pick him to have more touchdowns, but that's the only stat that he would be Puka Nakua in my opinion.
12:30And the thing about St. Brown and just the reason why he doesn't quite measure up to Nakua, he's not a great yards guy.
12:38It's not bad, but yards per catch, he's actually been below average in that.
12:43Yards per target, what he's fine. But in terms of yards per catch, Puka Nakua is clearly better than him.
12:49And Puka has that 1700 yard upside. St. Brown, what's his career high?
12:5313, 1400? I'm not even sure. 1500 maybe? I was going to guess 14, but it may be 1500.
12:5915, yeah. 1500 and 15. That was an only 16 game.
13:03So he does have maybe 1600 yard upside. But I think when you look at his yards per game, they just don't really compare to Puka's.
13:11So unless you're worried about a suspension or something like that, I can't really.
13:16Not just a suspension. Like I think, I think Puka is a slightly higher injury risk.
13:21Yeah. I think Stafford's a slightly higher injury risk than golf.
13:24Okay. And what about the, what about the defense argument?
13:28Because I think people would say, well, the Rams defense is about to be so good.
13:33They're going to throw a lot less than they did last year.
13:37How much does that factor in? And I'm going to have you tell me that after we take this break.
13:43So we're going to talk about that. We'll wrap up this discussion with that argument.
13:48And also we'll take a look at the Twitter poll and see who the public likes.
13:53I'm sure this will be Puka. The other ones will be probably a little more even.
13:58We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Yo, it's J Uso from WWE.
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15:30Wayfair, every style, every home. The Rams threw the ball a lot last year.
15:35They don't always throw the ball that much in the Stafford era, but they're usually at least average.
15:41Five years with Stafford. And what do you think about that argument that with Miles Garrett now and all the additions they've
15:48made on defense that they're just not going to have to throw that much?
15:52I think that there is a very good chance that that is the case.
15:57I do project Stafford for 30 fewer pass attempts than he had last year, which is 10 fewer targets for Puka Nakua
16:04and 10 fewer targets as elite as he is at turning targets into fantasy points is at least one fantasy point per game lower.
16:11And then the touchdown regression lowers him another point or two.
16:15I think that both teams have the fear of their defenses being really, really good this year and them throwing less because
16:22we've seen it two straight years with the Lions where they've started the year not really throwing that much and they've ended
16:29the year with a terrible defense because of so many injuries and then they're throwing 38 times per game.
16:35The risk is higher for the Rams. I actually, in all seriousness, you have convinced me for sure that St.
16:42Brown is a safer play than Puka Nakua. I do think there is a scenario where St.
16:47Brown goes from the 31% target share or whatever to back to like the 26, 27 range or he was two years
16:54ago because that was the only year he's played where Jamison Williams and Sam Laporta both played 15 or more games.
17:01That to me is the only risk. But even last year, the first 10 games of the year, I think, were both Laporta and Williams were both healthy.
17:10St. Brown absolutely dominated targets. 31% target share dominated red zone, green zone, end zone target.
17:15So I don't, the only concern I would have is that they get Laporta more involved.
17:20They get Jamison Williams more involved and maybe it hurts the targets, but he's definitely, I think you've convinced me.
17:26He's definitely safer. I'm still going to go Puka though.
17:30I would. Yeah. I would say that I think Laporta, if I mean, I more think Laporta will be more involved, but
17:37it will be at the expense of Jamison Williams.
17:40Okay. Let's see the results of the Twitter poll.
17:43Puka Nakua, 78.6%. I'm on Ross Landbrown. You're going to go undefeated on the polls today.
17:48No, I don't think so. I expect, I expect.
17:51I think I'm going to lose. I think I'm going to lose the next one.
17:55Drake London and Chase Brown. Because I like Chase Brown.
17:59You have Drake London. I think it was Drake London four spots ahead.
18:03Let's take a look. You have London in your overall PPR rankings 10th.
18:07And you have Chase Brown 13th. So three spots ahead.
18:10All right. Go ahead and make the case. Again, high stakes.
18:14Back into round one. I'm sure you'd love to come away with both of these guys at the turn.
18:20But you have London ahead of Brown. I think this is the one where you more have to make the case.
18:26Because London, on a per game basis, has been better each of the last two years.
18:32Has he really? By a large amount. It was 16.5 to 15.9.
18:3516.8 to 16.6. Obviously, London was a lot better three years ago because Brown wasn't a starting running back.
18:42And I think you're going to give the second half samples where Chase Brown has finished the year very well.
18:48It was hard to argue against what he did in 2024.
18:51I think that the strong finish last year probably had less to do with the fact that everybody got healthy and more
18:59to do with the fact that he had 14 catches in two games against the Ravens.
19:04Who gave up the second most catches to running backs all year last year.
19:08And he scored five touchdowns in two games against the Dolphins and the Cardinals.
19:13Yeah. One other thing about those Ravens games, Heath, is that T.
19:16Higgins missed both of them. Yeah. Yeah. So I agree.
19:20Inflated. So I think, like, again, with St. Brown and Puka, they're back-to-back for me.
19:24These guys are three spots apart. I think you could make an argument for either one.
19:30I feel more confident in London's upside. And I don't think his quarterback situation is going to be worse than it's been throughout his career.
19:38And there's a decent chance it's better. I think I called London a sleeping giant a few days ago or last week
19:45or something like that on the podcast. He's actually never finished higher than wide receiver eight per game.
19:50And I just see so much more potential. He was wide receiver three per game in the first nine games of the
19:58year on pace for 113 catches, 1,530 yards, 11 touchdowns on 178 targets.
20:02And then he hurt his knee, and he was so bad after the knee injury.
20:07And, you know, look, you got the panics argument.
20:09He's only been good with panics. He hasn't been good with cousins.
20:13But I think the knee injury was a much bigger issue than the quarterback last year.
20:18And by the way, the Twitter poll is totally on your side.
20:22Drake London, 61%. Chase Brown, 39%. So why am I saying Chase Brown over Drake London after all the things I just said?
20:30You know, two years ago, 2023 with Chase Brown, he didn't become a starting running back until I think the last eight games of the season.
20:38And from that point on, he was the number five running back per game in half PPR, number three in full PPR.
20:45Last year, he played a lot of it without Joe Burrow.
20:49But if we look at the five games he played with Burrow and with Higgins, so I'm going to remove those two
20:56Ravens games where he caught a bunch of passes and T.
20:59Higgins didn't play. He averaged 22.6 PPR fantasy points per game.
21:03Were the Dolphins game and the Cardinals game in there?
21:06Yeah, probably. I would assume so. But so was week one where everyone stunk against the Browns.
21:11It's only five games. But there's just this sample size of Chase Brown as the starting running back with Joe Burrow, whether
21:18you want to do the Higgins games or not, each the last two years.
21:23We're talking over 20 fantasy points. I think over 21 fantasy points per game.
21:27We're talking that good. I don't know who feels safer to me.
21:31I think I want to say London feels safer because you know the targets are going to be there.
21:37But, you know, the Falcons offense scares me, especially more than the Bengals offense, obviously.
21:42So this was a tough one. But I'm going to go with Chase Brown just because London has done it in spurts.
21:49He's never done it for a full season. And then you have Brown, who just seemed to become a better rusher last year.
21:57He averaged 4.8 yards per carry in his last 10 games.
22:00I remember T. Higgins saying he got better every single week.
22:04And I think the offensive line started to finally get better.
22:07It's been basically horrible for the entire Joe Burrow era, if not earlier than that.
22:12I think it's finally starting to be okay. So that's why I'm going Chase Brown.
22:17But you win this one, Heath, for people like Drake London.
22:20There we go. I'm going to go 1-4. It's better than 0-5.
22:24Forgot to do the... All right. So on to round three.
22:28Tyler Shuck, one spot ahead of Bo Nix. I'm actually curious.
22:31Let's see what the people are saying about this one.
22:34It's Bo Nix. I thought they would go with Tyler Shuck.
22:38I feel like people are sick of Bo Nix even after just two years.
22:42But Bo Nix, 67% of the vote. Tyler Shuck, 33% of the vote right now.
22:47Not a lot of votes, by the way. I just put these up about a half hour ago.
22:53But you have Tyler Shuck one spot ahead of Bo Nix.
22:56And I just feel like maybe Bo Nix doesn't get the credit he deserves.
23:01In two years, he's been the number nine quarterback per game and number 13 per game in six-point leagues.
23:07Number eight and number 11 per game in four-point leagues.
23:10And it doesn't even seem like he had that good of a year last year.
23:15And he was still right around QB 12. And they just added Jalen Waddle.
23:20So, yeah. Why Shuck one spot ahead of Nix?
23:22I think this is more just disenchantment with Nix for me.
23:26I think it's really bad to lead the NFL in pass attempts and have five rushing touchdowns and still not be a top-12 quarterback.
23:3413th. But you're right. But still, even if he was 12th.
23:37Yeah. You know, that should be a top-five guy.
23:40Yeah. I think it's really bad to throw 612 times and not reach 4,000 yards passing or 30 touchdowns.
23:46He did do it. Yeah. He did accomplish this as a rookie, though.
23:50He did finish top 10. He did not reach 4,000 yards or 30 touchdown passes.
23:55No, but he finished top 10. That's true. And he did that without leading the NFL in pass.
24:01I was very worried. I didn't draft any Bo Nix.
24:04I remember his ADP last year. It was like he was sort of in a tier of his own, I feel.
24:11And I just said, like, I'm not drafting any Bo Nix because there are five guys behind him that I like just as much, if not more.
24:20And I just kind of felt like he was going to regress because I didn't think he was that good.
24:26But that's sort of how I'm feeling about Tyler Shuck, honestly.
24:29Like, I don't really understand how Shuck did what he did last year.
24:34I think Nix did regress. Yeah. And like, but and it was kind of masked a little bit by I mean, they had a great team.
24:42They won a bunch of games and he led the NFL in passing yards, not yards attempts.
24:47And so, like, he still was not miserable in terms of fantasy.
24:51I think I just have more hope that Tyler Shuck might be good.
24:55I think most likely you don't want to start either one of these guys.
25:00That's why neither one of them is a top 12 quarterback for me.
25:04But like Shuck at least was a rookie last year, looked good in the second half, also got a major addition in Jordan Tyson.
25:12Yeah. And I just I think that I have some hope that he takes a step forward, whereas I'm mostly just thinking,
25:19man, last year was probably like the best possible scenario for Bo Nix.
25:23Well, that yeah, I mean, that might be except except they did add Waddle.
25:28One thing that Bo Nix has been absolutely terrible at is deep balls.
25:32And usually I say deep balls are 20 or more air yards.
25:36He's not that bad at that. But if you look at 30 or more air yards, he's awful.
25:41And not only that, he's been first or second in those pass attempts of 30 or more air yards each of the last two years.
25:49So I would like for Bo Nix to stop doing that because he stinks at it unless Jalen Waddle is finally going
25:56to be the piece of the puzzle. Because we know Bo Nix can throw short.
26:01He does that a lot. But he needs to be a better downfield passer.
26:06I think it's like I guess the argument I would have for Nix is that he had a pretty disappointing year last
26:13year and still was the number 13 quarterback per game.
26:16He's got that rushing upside, you know, 356 yards and five rushing touchdowns.
26:20But what's actually interesting is that's pretty much the same as what Tyler Shuck was on pace for.
26:26Right. As a starter. That's wild. I did not expect Shuck and Nix to have the same rushing stats.
26:32That's statistically Shuck kills him based on last year.
26:35But I don't know. It's I guess it's a little bit of faith in Sean Payton, faith in what could be the
26:42best offensive line in football and the addition of Jalen Waddle.
26:45I think the offensive line part is a good point and could elevate Nix.
26:50And again, I'm as you can see here on if you're watching on the graphic, I'm the high guy on both of these guys.
26:58So I don't think I dislike Bo Nix. The situation is still fantastic for him.
27:02Um, I, I just, I have more hope that Shuck might actually be kind of good.
27:08Yeah. And I got to say, I mean, if Bo Nix loses his rushing ability, then you're in trouble and he's coming off ankle surgery.
27:16Oh, I didn't even bring that up. That would have been the kill shot.
27:20Yeah. It didn't seem like, um, like a, like a major ankle surgery or something.
27:25Uh, but it is ankle surgery. It happened in the AFC divisional round.
27:29Um, okay. And I think for you, this is like a vote of, of not that much confidence in Nix.
27:35And I think for me, it's a vote and not that much confidence in Shuck.
27:40I mean, he was a 26 year old rookie who completed 63% of his passes in college.
27:46And he goes out and complete 67% of his passes with a high a dot last year.
27:51I don't understand. I mean, that's that maybe that's just Kellen Moore being great, but that's really, I was quite surprised.
27:58Well, that's the other thing. As you said, you had confidence in Sean Payton.
28:02I think I have probably for fantasy purposes is at this stage, more confidence in Kellen Moore.
28:08Okay. Okay. I, this one, I think I'm most adamant about this one.
28:12I think, I think you're crazy to have Jared golf, three spots ahead of Caleb Williams in your quarterback rankings.
28:18Uh, you want to go first? Oh, wait, sorry.
28:21No, no, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, they basically were tied last year and fantasy points, but Caleb a little bit better
28:28in four point golf, a little bit better in six point.
28:32By the way, these are six point per pass and touchdown.
28:35And everybody hates Jared golf. No, I love, I love Jared golf.
28:39No, I was looking at David, Dave and Jamie's rankings.
28:43Wow. He's going to have the worst year and he's ever, he had in Detroit.
28:47Yeah. They have him 17th and 18th. You have him 10th.
28:51Uh, you have Caleb Williams, 13th. Jamie has Caleb 11th and Dave has him ninth.
28:56Um, but yeah, golf is, uh, golf has been super consistent.
28:59Like I said, at the water cooler, he leads the NFL in passing yards over the last four years.
29:05He leads the NFL in passing touchdowns over the last four years, but he's ninth in fantasy points per game.
29:12He hasn't finished higher than eighth per game. And you know, he has two rushing touchdowns in five years with the Detroit lions.
29:19So it's basically just, I feel like Jared golf hit his upside two years ago.
29:24And that was QB eight per game. Caleb Williams has not hit his upside yet.
29:29He's going to rush for 300 or more, more yards than Jared golf.
29:33He's going to rush for more touchdowns. It's not going to have the gaudy passing numbers, but maybe he can be somewhat in the ballpark.
29:41Uh, they're going to run a ton of plays.
29:44Ben Johnson's offenses always do. Um, so I, this is kind of a layup for me to take Caleb's Caleb over golf.
29:51Cause I think he has clearly more upside. These last two that you save for the end are probably the ones where
29:58I'm most likely to be convinced that the, the ranking is wrong.
30:02I think what maybe I've gotten too caught up in with the golf and Williams debate is golf is such a better
30:09NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams right now. Um, it bothers me that I don't know is the perception that Caleb Williams like
30:16took a big step forward in his first year with.
30:19Yeah. I, I tell you where he, before you say, let me tell you where he did the best.
30:25Um, he went from there, there's a stat sacks per pressure.
30:29Okay. How many times are you sacked when you're pressured?
30:32He went from second worst to second best. So he proved, he improved there just not getting sacked as huge.
30:38Um, the offense went from one of the lowest play action rates to one of the highest went a lot more motion.
30:45Um, yeah. And I, I think you could see the results on the field.
30:50Some of the plays he made, but I understand what his completion percentage was dreadful.
30:55And it, it wasn't like he, he, each of the last two years, one fifth of his throws have been off target or bad.
31:02Yeah. He had the low, he had the worst off target rate in the NFL.
31:07His, his on target percentage of throws actually went down last year.
31:11Like I, and then with the way the bears kind of managed the second half of the season and just like, we're
31:18going to give the ball to DeAndre Swift and Kyle Mononga 35 times a game.
31:23I, I hope that doesn't say something about Ben Johnson's satisfaction with Caleb Williams accuracy.
31:28Well, the thing is Ben Johnson, look, they, Ben Johnson, whether it's been with the lions or the, hold on.
31:34I'll tell you. So he's been a coordinator or head coach four years now, three years with the lions, one year with the bears.
31:42This is where they've ranked in pass rate 19th, 22nd, 26th and 27th.
31:46They were 27th in pass rate last year, but this is where they ranked in pass attempts 11th, 9th, 16th and 10th.
31:53Because they're always running a ton of plays, top two in plays, three straight years for Ben Johnson's offenses.
31:59So I was a concern of mine initially. I'm going, Oh, you know, they, they're really run heavy team, but there's just
32:06this history of, they're also kind of pass heavy because they run so many plays.
32:11No, that's a good point. And I, that's something I do expect to continue.
32:15Um, I think it's more likely that the bears have more offensive plays than the lions.
32:21And I think that the thing that with this one really got me thinking, you know, maybe I should just change the ranking.
32:28It's not going to change in the projections. Golf's going to project for more points.
32:33Um, and, and, uh, in the chat, somebody said, Caleb will just have more variants.
32:38Yeah. I think that's the perfect way to describe it.
32:41And generally speaking, when it comes to first round picks, like a Munra, St.
32:45Brown and Pukunokua, I'm pretty comfortable choosing the safe, the, the safe guy that I think is going to average 19 fantasy
32:52points per game, like still elite, but also safe.
32:55When it comes to borderline QB ones, maybe I should probably, as I have in the past, just lean into the upside.
33:02I think somebody also made a comment about like Caleb's off schedule tendencies.
33:06And I do think there's a little bit of Kyler Murray there that like, I wish he could just make more of the easy plays that golf makes.
33:15Yeah. He's yeah. He needs to make the layups.
33:18I think that's kind of an argument for him though, because Caleb Williams was, was pretty good last year.
33:24I already finished overall. I finished QB 10 per game and six point QB nine per game in four point.
33:31And he does that without just hitting the layups.
33:34If he can start, maybe it's a footwork thing.
33:37I don't know, but if he can start, just be a little more accurate on easy balls, then, you know, then we could be really talking here.
33:45And what was I going to say? I don't even remember.
33:49All right. Well, that's kind of where I'm at with, with Caleb and Jared golf.
33:54I just feel like there's more upside. Golf is very safe though.
33:57Without question. He threw for 600 more yards and seven more touchdowns last year.
34:02And there was still tied in fantasy points. I think he might throw for 600 more yards and seven more touchdowns again.
34:09I guess it may come down to whether Caleb gets the three rushing touchdowns again.
34:14And the Twitter poll is Caleb Williams with 63% of the vote.
34:18I know what I was going to say. So I looked at like 20, I just picked randomly 24 fantasy points per game.
34:25Neither of these quarterbacks have maybe golf did that one year at the Rams, but neither of them have done that anytime recently.
34:32Uh, Drake may average 24 fantasy points per game last year, six point per passion.
34:37It's a really good year. Have there been quarterbacks who have done that?
34:41Who, who don't basically don't run. And there's only been one in the last four years.
34:47And it was Matthew Stafford. He's the only guy who hasn't been on pace for at least, uh, 200 rushing yards and
34:54who scored at least 24 fantasy points per game.
34:56It was Stafford in 2025. I think he had like negative one rushing guard or something.
35:02Um, but before that we actually had, we actually had a lot of guys like that.
35:07Now it was Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck, Aaron Rogers.
35:11It's basically all hall of famers, but it did used to happen quite a bit.
35:16And the guys would, would average 24 fantasy points and barely run the ball.
35:20I don't know why it doesn't really happen anymore.
35:23And like, we're not quite, um, like, I'm glad you chose 24 and not 23.
35:28Cause Jared Goff did, did average 23.3 fantasy points per game in 2024.
35:32Two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah.
35:35I guess there aren't that many guys who could have that kind of year, but golf would be on the shortlist.
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36:51Also, somebody in the chat made a good point.
36:54Like, I don't know what your cutoff for rushing was, but Joe Burrow had 200 rushing yards and averaged 27 fantasy points.
37:01Yeah, it was 200. But the thing about Goff is that he's not even close to 200.
37:06He's 45-ish yards. Yeah, 200 just seemed to be...
37:09Burrow is... Yeah, of the guys that you should expect 24 or more fantasy points from, I would say Burrow is the one who runs the least.
37:18And he's usually around 200. I don't know if you expect that from Dak Prescott.
37:22He's been there a lot. But his rushing has gone down a lot lately.
37:27So I don't know. You know, that's something to think about with Dak.
37:31But he used to be over 200. All right, Luther Burden ahead of Josh Allen.
37:36As we look at Heath's rankings, Burden is... Let's see.
37:39He is 34th overall. He's actually the high guy on Burden.
37:43And Allen is 37th overall. And this is just more of a...
37:46Unproven... The single most proven player in fantasy, basically.
37:49Against the guy who had 60 targets in his only year in the NFL.
37:54So a lot of guys get drafted ahead of Josh Allen based on potential and based on upside.
38:00And Josh Allen just is QB1 basically every year.
38:02He's been hurt the last few years by playing one snap in week 18.
38:07And it's made his per-game averages look worse. But he's still Josh Allen.
38:11So why would you take Luther Burden over him?
38:14So I do think that... This is probably dependent on your league.
38:18And maybe I've got too much fantasy analyst brain going on here.
38:22Because we can draft Jared Goff in round 12 and Brock Purdy in round 10.
38:27And if the difference between Josh Allen and those guys is three points per game, I'd rather take the wide receiver that I think has top 12 upside.
38:36Burden did only have 60 targets as a rookie.
38:38But obviously DJ Moore left. He averaged 2.07 fantasy points per target last year.
38:43Which is just about average for a starting wide receiver in Ben Johnson's offense.
38:47Amon Ross St. Brown, Jamison Williams, Josh Reynolds all had seasons that were better than that in terms of fantasy points per target.
38:55And I think there's a real chance. In fact, I project him for right around 120 targets.
39:00Well, that's 14 or 15 fantasy points per game.
39:03And I don't think that's the upside. If he gets eight targets per game, he could easily be a top six or seven fantasy wide receiver.
39:11There's more risk there with Luther Burden. I don't really think there's much risk if he stays healthy that he's going to be bad.
39:19Just because there's not really any other wide receivers on this team.
39:23There's three guys. It's Burden. It's Adunze. It's Loveland.
39:26And we have to figure out what the target share is going to be there.
39:31But the potential to be the number one wide receiver in a Ben Johnson offense after his incredibly elite efficiency as a rookie.
39:38On a very small sample size. But we just don't see rookies that are as good as Luther Burden was on a yards per route run basis.
39:47Basically ever. And now he's got the chance to have 120 plus targets.
39:51I'm pretty tempted to take Burden ahead of Allen because I don't know how much you were swayed by it.
39:57But I really didn't like what Romo Doonze was saying about his foot.
40:01No, it's not great. Yeah, I don't think it's a huge deal.
40:05But he basically said his foot is never going to be the same.
40:09I'm a little more worried about his hands than his foot.
40:13Well, Burden had some drops too. That was an issue for him.
40:17He also, I think his biggest issue for Burden is that he had like one end zone target.
40:23So I could see him kind of being a Zay Flowers type guy who just doesn't score that many touchdowns.
40:29But I'm not going to put that on him right now.
40:33You know, I think let's see how the career plays out.
40:36There's a lot to like about Luther Burden. I hope they play him more.
40:41He never had that high of a route participation rate.
40:44Is he going to be that kind of player like a J?
40:48Who else would they play? If they view him as, you know, mostly a slot guy that's only going to be out there in three receiver sets.
40:56I, you know, I hope that's not the case.
40:59But you're right. With DJ Moore gone, it should free up Burden to play a lot.
41:04And Ben Johnson said, I'm buying stock in Luther Burden.
41:08I think my point is obvious. It just we just it's a big projection for Burden.
41:13He didn't play that much last year. He didn't do that much last year.
41:17Josh Allen is arguably the safest pick. And I'm hoping that DJ Moore going to the Bills gives Josh Allen that 29
41:24point upside that he doesn't really seem to have in the Joe Brady era in Buffalo.
41:29But if DJ Moore weren't there, I don't think I would draft any Josh Allen because he's still amazing.
41:35But he's not as great as he used to be.
41:39He doesn't throw as much. He doesn't run as much.
41:42But now that they went out and got him, and I think they realize, like, our window is closing, right?
41:48We've got to give a Super Bowl for Josh Allen.
41:51Let this guy be Josh Allen. I think that boosts his upside.
41:55He's not DJ Moore is not going to be Stefan Diggs.
41:59Not even close. But I think it's going to push his upside a little bit higher.
42:04So I'm going to go with the safety here of Josh Allen.
42:08I understand quarterback's really good, and you can wait, and it's super deep this year.
42:13I understand the philosophy of taking some less proven players over Allen, but I'm not quite there with Burden.
42:19And I'll tell you, one of the things I do when I'm putting together my top 150 is we talked about value-based
42:26drafting, and we'll probably do a whole episode on it later this summer as we have in the past.
42:32But I kind of look at, like, when we get to pick 100, which is round nine, what's gone?
42:38And there's some ADP you can look at right now that says 14 quarterbacks are going to be gone in the first eight rounds.
42:46If that's the case, then you should probably take Josh Allen here.
42:50Yeah. In our drafts, it might be seven that are gone.
42:53Right. And so, like, where your league falls on that spectrum of seven to 14 quarterbacks going in the first eight rounds
43:00of drafts really should influence how high you're willing to take Josh Allen.
43:04I think in leagues where quarterbacks fly off the board, it's not going to matter because he's going to go in the
43:11first or second round, and I still wouldn't do that.
43:15My hope is that the foot issues drop Odunze a round or two, and that's the guy I end up drafting a lot for the Bears.
43:23I haven't taken Loveland. I haven't really taken Burden.
43:26In fact, Burden versus DJ Moore is a tough call for me.
43:30Kind of sounds like you're fading a Ben Johnson offense.
43:33Yeah, I don't want to do that, but these guys are going really early, you know?
43:38And one of them is going to probably smash and be like, we weren't even drafting him high enough.
43:44But which one? I really want to take Caleb Williams, but he's – I don't love his ADP.
43:50I don't think he's going to have like an MVP-type season.
43:53You know, he kind of reminds me a little bit of Bo Nix last year where I don't think – I think Caleb's going to be really good.
44:02I was worried about Bo Nix, his performance. But I think Caleb, you know, his ADP – I think Caleb is in a range.
44:10I don't think he's that much better than Brock Purdy and Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence and Jared Goff, probably forgetting something,
44:17maybe even Stafford in a six-point per pass. But he's going to go considerably earlier than them.
44:23So I don't know. I can't sit here and be like, I don't want any of the Bears offense.
44:29I just want to find the best value. I'm not sure who that's going to be yet.
44:34Right now, I'd say it's Caleb. I'm hoping – it probably could end up being Odunze.
44:39All right, well – Could be DeAndre Smith. Oh, yeah, you don't even really think about it.
44:45It could be Benonga. Yeah. All right, so the Twitter poll there was – we knew it was going to be Josh Allen, 86.6% for Allen.
44:53So the one – you got the Drake London one.
44:56Yeah. I guess I did pick some that I feel like I knew I was going to win the public.
45:03That was kind of the point, right? It was.
45:06But, you know, I think – listen, a lot of times we think one thing is going to happen.
45:12Halftime last night, all I saw were tweets from experts saying the series is over.
45:16I saw people on TV saying the series was over.
45:20You wouldn't have seen that from me. Everybody thought it was over.
45:23And I guess now it's not. Are you trolling me?
45:27I'm not really sure what's happening here. No, no.
45:30Not at all. It's been fantastic. What's your level of confidence in the Knicks winning the championship?
45:3557%. 57%. I think they're pretty even. I think the Spurs are a little better than the Knicks.
45:41I think they – for some reason, they go through these spells where they barely give Wembenyama the ball.
45:47They would just give him the ball more. I think they'd be in better shape.
45:52It's difficult because as soon as he crosses half court, a guy who's 6'11 and weighs 250 pounds grabs a hold of
45:59him with both arms and holds on whenever he tries to run.
46:03So it's kind of – it's hard to get in the ball.
46:06Excuse me. I think you're talking about the wrong teams here.
46:10Because Wembenyama maybe should have been ejected for what he did to Jalen Brunson.
46:14Agreed. Agreed. But that doesn't change the fact that throughout the entire playoffs, the other team's defensive strategy has just been grab
46:22a hold of Wembeny with two hands whenever he tries to do anything.
46:26And don't let him do that. Well, they called the ton of fouls.
46:30Occasionally, you got to hit a guy in the head to send a message.
46:34That's how I feel about Brunson. They're playing football out there on Jalen Brunson.
46:39He's playing basketball. It's ridiculous. He gets fouled almost every single possession.
46:43It's really taking – look, their strategy is obviously what the Pistons tried to do to Michael Jordan back in the day.
46:50Just beat up Jalen Brunson. And it's working. I think the Spurs are a better team, but not by much.
46:56So I'm probably one of those whoever wins game four wins the series.
47:00I think the Knicks are so infinitely more consistent.
47:03And their floor in a given game is so much higher.
47:07And a given quarter is so much higher. But the Spurs go six-minute stretches where they look like the best team that's ever played basketball.
47:15Yeah. Well, the Knicks need to move the ball a little bit more.
47:19Too much dribbling last night. Move that ball. Let's get to the cat.
47:23Let's get to the cat. Yeah, Wemby is so interesting because he's the most impactful defensive player just being on the court.
47:30It's insane how many times the Knicks will drive to the hoop and just not shoot a layup because they know it's going to get rejected.
47:38But also, if you get him one-on-one on the perimeter, he's awful.
47:42I mean, everybody goes right by him. I think it's probably hard to go side-to-side at that size.
47:48Yeah. They go right by him. All right. Well, fun series.
47:52And again, hockey's been incredible. So I'm going to try to watch this game four tonight.
47:57I think it's game four. Yeah. You're really into this.
48:00Well, I don't even know what happened in game three.
48:03Yeah. It's game four. Game three was a double overtime win.
48:07And it's amazing. Look at that. Game three. Look at this.
48:10Zero-zero after the first period. Sounds great. Four-nothing Golden Knights after the second period.
48:15And then Carolina scored four in the third period.
48:18And then they went to, I thought it was two overtimes.
48:21Maybe it was just one. And it was five-four Golden Knights.
48:25That's great stuff. Wish I had seen it. We'll talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.
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