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Heath vs. Dan; Favorite Late-Round Picks (05/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)
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1 hr 8 min
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May 21, 2026
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Thu, May 21, 2026
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Isaiah LikelyAaron RodgersAntonio WilliamsChigoziem OkonkwoChris RodriguezJ.K. DobbinsJonah ColemanJonathon BrooksMark AndrewsMatthew StaffordQuinshon JudkinsXavier Worthy
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Aaron Rodgers
NegativeRole0:09
Aaron Rodgers has stated that this will be his last season, raising concerns about his long-term value.
Insight pageAntonio Williams
PositiveSleeper0:56
Antonio Williams has the opportunity to earn a significant role in the Washington offense, especially if he can outperform other veterans in the receiving corps.
Insight pageChigoziem Okonkwo
PositiveSleeper0:56
Chigoziem Okonkwo is a unique athletic tight end with the potential for significant targets in a receiving corps that lacks depth beyond Terry McLaurin.
Insight pageChris Rodriguez
PositiveSleeper0:45
Chris Rodriguez could emerge as a valuable handcuff in the Jacksonville backfield, especially if he shows better performance than Basil Tootin in training camp.
Insight pageIsaiah Likely
PositiveBreakout0:39
Isaiah Likely has huge upside potential as he transitions to being the number one tight end for his new team, despite a current ADP that doesn't reflect his potential.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout0:40
Isaiah Likely has shown potential with a strong performance in limited opportunities, averaging 16.6 PPR points per game in nine games with six or more targets. With a new opportunity as a number one tight end, he could be a valuable target.
Insight pageJ.K. Dobbins
PositiveRole0:42
J.K. Dobbins is expected to be the starter, but his injury history raises concerns about his availability and opens the door for Coleman to potentially take over.
Insight pageJonah Coleman
PositiveDepth Chart0:42
Jonah Coleman is an interesting fit in Denver and could potentially earn a role if he outperforms Jonathan Brooks in the preseason.
Insight pageJonathon Brooks
PositiveDepth Chart0:42
Jonathan Brooks is currently preferred over Jonah Coleman, but his position could change based on preseason performance and practice participation.
Insight pageMark Andrews
PositiveProjection0:32
Mark Andrews is expected to benefit from the departure of Isaiah Likely and could see an increase in targets this season.
Insight pageMatthew Stafford
PositiveValue0:52
Matthew Stafford is a strong late-round quarterback option, with an ADP around 100th, and has the potential to return to top-five fantasy production.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
PositiveRole0:03
Quinshon Judkins is participating in team drills, indicating he is on track for the upcoming season.
Insight pageXavier Worthy
PositiveSleeper0:26
Xavier Worthy has a chance to be a smash value pick late in drafts, especially if Rashid Rice is not 100% healthy.
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1:23This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play!
1:27Can you believe this? You have no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
1:31Off to the races, and he stays on his feet.
1:34He's just gonna go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:39Today, we are going to talk about late-round picks, some of our favorite late-round picks.
1:44Basically, pick 100 or later, and there will be some wide receivers on this list.
1:48Let me just give you a quick note about late-round wide receivers.
1:52Over the past six seasons, there have been 36 wide receivers drafted in round nine or later.
1:57That's 97th overall or later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game.
2:02That's six per year over the last six seasons, so you can get a lot of value there.
2:08And in the first five seasons of that stretch, 2020 to 2024, there were at least two rookies every year that finished top 24 overall or per game.
2:16There were zero last year, so kind of feeling there might be zero this year, but unless Casey Concepcion falls there, well, we will see.
2:24Anyway, before we do that, we have a segment called Diabolical Dan's Deliriously Delusional Dynasty Defense.
2:29Welcome, Diabolical Dan. Oh, you really set that up to give me a chance here.
2:33Yeah, you're definitely playing from behind, but Dave, are you ready for this showdown between Dan and Heath?
2:39Ladies and gentlemen, fantasy football fanatics around the world, weird bagel sandwich eaters, today we are going to witness the most anticipated
2:45showdown in the history of fantasy football. Are you ready?
2:48For the hundreds watching live on YouTube and the hundreds of thousands watching and listening later on when convenient for you.
2:55Let's get ready to fumble! That was awesome. I love it.
2:58All right. Heath, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks.
3:01Dan. When we left off, the whole fantasy community had turned against Dan for calling it collusion, for not freeing up enough
3:07roster spots, not seeing the message on the message board.
3:10Dan's having a little trouble with his emails and not being ready for the Dynasty draft.
3:15So using a workaround of trading players with each pick with another manager who didn't have enough roster spots.
3:21And it got a little hairy, got a little controversial.
3:24Dan, what do you have to say for yourself?
3:27All right. Well, let's just start from the beginning here.
3:30Okay. Beginning here is the weekend. We start the Dynasty draft on the weekend.
3:34I'm away this past weekend. No, we didn't. We started on Friday.
3:38Friday, but my first pick was made on the weekend.
3:41Okay. Okay. Okay. Or my first pick was, no, I was able to make my first pick.
3:46Okay. So by the time it gets to my second round pick, where the issue, where the issue starts, it's Saturday.
3:52It's Saturday in the middle of the day. I'm at Lighthouse Links.
3:56I'm on a golf trip with friends. And I realized when I'm trying to click my player, Emmett Johnson, to make my
4:03pick of Emmett Johnson in round two, who is by far an away top player on my board, all off season on
4:09Beyond the Box score, I have said he was my RB2 going into the draft before the draft.
4:15And he was clearly my best player overall at that point.
4:18It says, you can't make this pick. So I text Heath.
4:21I've been here before a few years back. It's not new ground to me, which is definitely not pro for my case.
4:28But three years ago, this happened. I said, Heath, it's happening.
4:31What can I do here? And so he gives me some options.
4:35And so I take one of the options. I go nuts on the message board.
4:40Hey, anyone trade me. I'll give you whatever. Just let me make my pick.
4:44I just want to make my freaking pick in a dynasty league.
4:47It seems like an important thing to do that everybody who has their picks gets to make their pick.
4:53That's my opinion, at least. It seems like probably the most important thing to do.
4:58Anyway, I'm texting the league. I'll trade you, whatever.
5:00I finally find someone who's willing to trade down with me.
5:04I have to give up my pick in round two.
5:07I lose out on Emmett Johnson. And I get another player.
5:10I'm able to make my pick. I get nothing out of this.
5:14I just get to move down because I didn't see the message in time to get my roster down.
5:20So anyway, I make the trade. I lose Emmett Johnson.
5:23I don't say a word about this. I don't say a beep.
5:26I don't complain. I'm dealing with it. It's fine.
5:29Then it's getting to the next round and somebody from the league.
5:33And this is the truth. I'm not going to say his name.
5:36Text me and says, I got an idea. I think if you trade players, they don't make you force it.
5:42Like you can get over the roster limit if you trade players.
5:46So, okay. I accepted because to me, I thought, and this is where I was wrong.
5:51I thought Heath agreed with me until this week.
5:54I was way wrong about this. I thought he'd, he'd agreed with me that it was stupid that the, that on CBS,
6:00you can't cut players before you draft them because on every other app that I draft dynasty on, you can cut players before you draft them.
6:08Jamie discussed this yesterday before we were on the show, every other dynasty I've ever played.
6:13You don't have to be in this really tight spot where you can't cut a player.
6:18Once the draft to start, for some reason, the roster is on full lock, which now I know Heath likes and Heath wants.
6:25And I just didn't know Heath wanted that because from the conversations I had with Heath, it sounded like he kind of agreed.
6:32Oh, this is a stupid spot right now. Um, and you, you can do this and this to try to get out of it.
6:39So I was wrong about that. Heath likes that rule.
6:42Apparently to me, it's one of the dumbest rules in the history of fantasy football and dynasty football.
6:48NFL teams don't cut rosters down to September. Every other time it's a league I plan doesn't cut rosters down.
6:54So for this league to have the strict rule where if somebody misses this deadline, where the draft hits start and the
7:00commissioner hits start on deadline, if somebody misses that deadline, you're going to lead to a situation where they don't get to
7:07make their draft picks in a dynasty league. Now, in my mind, that's the worst case scenario.
7:12Obviously that's not the worst case scenario in Heath's mind.
7:15Heath's mind, the worst case scenario is somebody doing these tradebacks or whatever work around to try to make their rookie draft picks.
7:22To me, those two things don't equate. One compromises the competitiveness of the league.
7:26People having to forfeit draft picks. The other is somebody gets two extra days to make releases.
7:31Like what did I gain? What didn't me and the other manager who proposed this idea to me gain by this?
7:38We had an extra 48 hours before we could cut our players.
7:41Because to me, you should just be able to cut the player, then make the pick.
7:46Or you expand the roster three spots and then everybody makes the pick like the NFL and you cut down at a
7:53later date because that's what every other dynasty that I play in is.
7:57So that's where I stand. Where I stand is just, look, I made a mistake.
8:01No, let me finish. I made a mistake. Come on.
8:05Take accountability for it. I have a lot to say.
8:08You guys have been spewing on me all week and having it be unworded.
8:12I made a mistake by not. It's a mistake, but like I'll tell you this.
8:16I went into my account details on CBS Sports and tried to change my email department and tried to do everything I can.
8:23I can't get these emails. I searched my inbox.
8:26No emails from Dynasty. On my account page, on alerts, the place you're supposed to go, it says that right now I'm
8:33supposed to be getting emails for messages. It says checked off email.
8:36I don't see the emails. I search. I can't get them.
8:40They're nowhere to be found. So this same thing is going to keep repeating itself for me unless I imagine.
8:46But it won't. Because now after the season, I'm just going to mass cut a thousand players.
8:51I don't even care. No. Stop. Yeah, I am.
8:54No, you're not. I want to make my draft picks in a rookie Dynasty League.
8:58I would say the worst case scenario is two teams having to forfeit their draft picks in a rookie Dynasty League.
9:05Forfeited picks for doing nothing wrong? Like, what is that?
9:08That's a horrible scenario. We want to play in a league where people are forfeiting picks because the rosters weren't expanded or
9:14because the app won't let you cut a player before you draft them, even though every other app will.
9:20Like, come on. What are we doing here? I don't get it.
9:24Okay. Okay. Opening statement from Dan. Yeah. Opening monologue.
9:26Heath. Dan, we play in a league that has rules.
9:29Those rules have to be guarded by men with commissioner powers.
9:33Who's going to do it? You? Lieutenant Costanza? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.
9:38You weep for lost fourth round picks. You curse roster limits.
9:42You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know.
9:46That lost picks, while tragic, probably save the league.
9:49And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves leagues.
9:52You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me as commish.
9:58You need me as commish. We use words like roster limits, collusion, league notifications.
10:02We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something.
10:06You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises
10:13and sleeps under the blanket of the very league that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
10:20I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way.
10:24Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a commissioner title and stand the post.
10:28Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.
10:32Was that? You can't handle the truth. Is that that one?
10:35No. That was a few good men, I assume.
10:38You assume? I assume. Isn't that the one with the you can't handle the truth?
10:42Yeah, I was waiting for you can't handle the rules or something like that.
10:46It's a different part of the one. You can't handle the rules.
10:50I've never seen it. I figured it out. You've never seen it?
10:54You've never seen it? We've done this before. That was terrific.
10:57That was terrific. You're supposed to watch Rocky, but you can't watch it.
11:01Listen, Dan. You've had this email issue for several years.
11:04You've done nothing. I can't fix it. I tried my hardest to fix it yesterday.
11:09I won't be getting emails. I didn't email to someone.
11:12Dan. Yeah. How many years have you played Dynasty Leagues?
11:15On CBS or in overall? Ever. Ever. Probably at this point, four or five years.
11:19Only four or five years? Maybe longer. I don't know.
11:22Okay. Let's just say five years. When do rookie drafts happen?
11:26Different for every league. Majority of them for the leagues you play in?
11:29I would say the majority of them happen around this time.
11:33Okay. So shouldn't you be checking to see when the drafts are happening?
11:37Yeah. I should be checking to see when the drafts are happening.
11:40Like I said, I take full accountability for that.
11:43I screwed up. I didn't know when this draft was happening.
11:46I did not hear. I apologize. I wouldn't have been as harsh to Dan if I had heard during the opening 35-minute monologue.
11:53I take full responsibility. Because this entire thing starts there.
11:56Of course. I shouldn't know when the draft was going to start.
12:00All this is true. Even though I'm not getting notifications, I should have found a way to know.
12:06And I don't – even though I'm not getting these emails and I don't know how I ever will, which is another problem for another day.
12:13Yeah, I'll email IT and try to get on it, Adam.
12:17Like I don't have a million other things to do.
12:20He'll fix it for you in five seconds. You're trying to start a new podcast over the past.
12:25So let me figure out the IT issue with this.
12:28Point being, like I don't expect – and it's not Heath's job to handhold me.
12:33Heath can't be expected to individually text each member like, hey, the draft's going to start at this time.
12:39Make sure your rosters are down. I don't expect that.
12:42But I do stand by that. I think it's a ridiculous rule to have these roster limitations going into Dynas League.
12:48As I mentioned, not any of my other Dynas Leagues besides the two that I play in that Heath runs – I
12:55don't even know if he runs YOLO. I assume he runs YOLO.
12:58He does. I don't know who the commissioner is.
13:01It could be somebody else. Honestly. Besides the two that Heath run, I don't have this problem because this is not an
13:08actual rule in any of those other leagues. You can either make the cut at the time of the draft because the
13:14app allows you to or a couple other leagues I play in, they expand the rosters like the NFL teams do.
13:21I mean the NFL teams aren't cutting down until September.
13:24Why are we cutting down in May? It makes no sense to me.
13:28I agree, Heath. Are you proposing a rule change, Dan?
13:31Yes, of course I'm proposing a rule change. I don't want anyone else to ever be in this issue again.
13:37I proposed it on the message board, and we'll see what happens.
13:40Heath said he's strongly opposed to it, and he would need a massive overwhelming majority, which is fine.
13:46It's Heath's league. I don't care. I'm not asking Heath to bow to my existence.
13:50If the majority doesn't want it, that's fine. If they're not overwhelming, that's fine as well.
13:55But my point is, yes, I'm going to propose this rule change because this is a ridiculous comment from Pop.
14:01It was the weekend, Pop. It was the weekend, Pop.
14:04I'm not allowed to go on a golf trip on the weekend.
14:08It was Saturday, Sunday in Maryland. Let me have my fun.
14:11I'm Saturday in the middle of the afternoon, and I see I can't make a draft pick.
14:17My point is, I got to wrap it up here.
14:20Last thing is, the rule changes for one reason and one reason at all.
14:24I don't want to be in a position, and I would hope Heath doesn't, but I don't know where this happens again,
14:31where two teams are not able to make their draft picks in a rookie dynasty league.
14:35To me, that's the worst case scenario. I thought we were playing for fun.
14:40I didn't think we want a technicality, two teams out of making their picks, and try to really go hard on that
14:46and really get an edge for whoever else is in this league.
14:50And look, it's our fault, me and the other guy, for not doing it.
14:54I get it. But is this what we want, a world we want to live in where people are forfeiting draft picks in round two?
15:02It just doesn't feel good to me, but maybe others are good with that.
15:06No, I think, look, I think there's a lot of leagues where if I weren't getting my email notifications, I would miss things too, including the draft date.
15:14So I actually don't really blame you for that.
15:17I don't blame Heath either. It was an unfortunate situation.
15:20There is an easy way. We can get your email situation fixed.
15:24And I think we should stop blaming the app.
15:27It's the rule that Heath wanted. Heath's the commissioner.
15:29That's fine. No, I agree. But the other apps do let you cut the players at the draft.
15:35I'm just saying. All right. But question for Heath.
15:38We had an email from Alexander, and he wants to know, if I only have one first round rookie pick, I must
15:44have at least one open roster spot in order to make the pick.
15:48What happens if I decide to trade back my 110 for 202 and 210?
15:52Is this forbidden because I can't drop players during the draft?
15:56Yeah. You know, I think it's really fantastic that Alexander, in like 45 words, made a better point than Dan has made in two weeks.
16:03And this is something that kind of caused me to pause.
16:07That like, yeah, I think that that part of it is something that I need to think about.
16:12It would, like, I do think you kind of just need, I usually go into the rookie draft with one more roster spot that I need.
16:20But if you're only most dynasty leagues I'm in, that last guy on your, like the guys Dan's trying to trade right
16:27now, aren't guys that he cared if he cut or cut or not.
16:31He knows that he's going to cut them. So when you make that trade, just trade the 110 and the one extra player for those two picks.
16:39But that team may not have the roster space for it.
16:42That's kind of the point Alexander's email. And I think it goes beyond just that one individual example.
16:48Like, there's going to be plenty of times where you don't know going into a draft class based on trades that you
16:54may make how many roster spots you actually need and how many you don't need.
16:59That's kind of the point of the expanded rosters or the ability to cut players at the time of the draft.
17:05So you can actually make those decisions live in time if you get a trade offer like that.
17:11Or if anything comes and you're like, I see the board now.
17:14I don't really actually need this pick. Or actually, I want five picks because there are five players I like.
17:20They're still on the board. You should have that flexibility to know that.
17:24You shouldn't be locked into, I have a certain amount of guys I can draft or, God forbid, I have to scramble
17:31in the league and try to trade away players and trade for players.
17:35That just doesn't seem good. Just to be clear, I do add two extra roster spots.
17:40That's the only reason you were able to make a pick in the draft.
17:44So I do add two extra roster spots. That doesn't change the fact that we're talking about not having a locked in amount of roster spots.
17:52It answers Alexander's question. You'd actually have a couple extra roster spots for a move like that.
17:57Do we? Is it just because we don't have the taxi squad, though?
18:01Right. So we don't really have the roster spots.
18:04You just have to take people off the taxi squad and put them in the roster spots.
18:09People automatically go off the taxi squad. Everybody has an illegal roster as soon as the league year rolls over.
18:15I think the point, though, of what Alexander's asking, because there's 50,000 examples we can come off you from, is why do
18:22we want to be locked into a certain amount of roster spots when the draft's supposed to be a fluid thing?
18:28Mostly because I can't get you to drop players when there's a severe consequence for dropping players.
18:33What's the consequence? Losing draft picks, which you just did.
18:36So if I did it in June or July, I'd have to text you six times to get you to make your drops.
18:43You probably have to text me one time and then I'll make them right there.
18:48Like just like everybody else. Are you talking to Dan or Jamie right now?
18:52Just text us one time and like then we'll make drops.
18:55But like that doesn't impact the draft and the ability to want a fluid draft.
19:00I hold that point is like, no, I made my case.
19:03I think other people agree with it. Talk to a lot of people offline who agree it's a bad rule.
19:09That's all I'll say. Dan's approval rating is much higher offline, much higher offline.
19:13A lot of people think your rule stinks. He that's all I'm going to say now.
19:18It's still my fault. What happened? I agree with that.
19:21We can live with that. A lot of people think your rule stinks.
19:25Right? Like Dan's accepting responsibility. Maybe Heath can reconsider the rule.
19:29There are some issues that could arise from it.
19:31Something to think about. I am only cutting this conversation off because we have to take a commercial break.
19:37Dan would tell you he doesn't get texts. But here's the thing about Dan.
19:41There are a lot of group chats I don't check.
19:44Yes, that's exactly my point. Like Dan, you just have to be a little bit more responsible with communication because you've sent me screenshots of your phone.
19:53You have like 140 text messages that you haven't read.
19:56Look at your phone right now. How many unread text messages do you have?
20:00This is a problem. What are you supposed to do about these group chats?
20:04210. 210. This is all group chats though. This is all from one or two group chats that I have on mute
20:11because I don't have time to follow everything. Some of these people are just texting and nonstop.
20:16You have to do a better job. I love you so much.
20:20Yeah, me too. They're all group chats. Like I read all the individuals.
20:23All my indies are clicked off, but the group chats are in trouble.
20:27All right. You got to do a better job.
20:30Group chat is kind of like an email that's sent to people.
20:34It is, but I wish I got the email or at least the group chat I get.
20:39All right. We got to take a break. We need to write a sitcom about your life.
20:44Good night. Yeah. We'll talk about our favorite late round picks when we come back on Fantasy Football today.
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21:58I'm trying to think about what my favorite line is.
22:01Where'd he go? He was only coming on for that.
22:04Oh, I was trying to think what my favorite line is.
22:08We started the draft on the weekend. No, we didn't.
22:11I don't have time to check my messages after I'm on a golf trip.
22:15I think that... Here's the text messages for me.
22:18210 text messages. It's insane. I actually, of all the crazy things that were said, I think he could convince me, just
22:24me, that Friday is actually the weekend. Friday at 8 a.m.
22:28I can get there. I can get there. Friday's the weekend.
22:31All right. News and notes. Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak, new coach of the Raiders.
22:35He called Brock Bowers a football robot from heaven.
22:38He also said that Fernando Mendoza has been as advertised.
22:41Have you guys seen the video of the robot dancing to Billie Jean and falling?
22:46No, it's... Oh, I think I have. Not a few good men.
22:49Yeah, exactly. If a few good men were on Twitter, I would have seen it.
22:54But there's this robot trying to do the Billie Jean dance and trying to go up the steps and fall.
23:00It's so funny. Anyway, Quinshon Judkins is participating in team drills.
23:03Aaron Rodgers said this will be his last season, although I think he said that last year, too.
23:09And all signs indicate that the Giants offense is going to be very run heavy.
23:13John Harbaugh was asked, but he said, if you can't run the ball, what are you going to do?
23:19You have to run the ball. And then Jackson Dart acknowledged it as well.
23:23So another thing to think about when you're thinking about Malik Neighbors.
23:27We'll talk about Isaiah Likely a little bit later.
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24:03All right, favorite late round picks? We are, you know, let's just say a round pick 100 or later.
24:08And Heath, Dave, and Jamie each gave us four.
24:11Heath, you were not on yesterday's show with the mid-round picks, so I'll let you start with your late round picks.
24:18Rashad White of the Washington Commanders is on your list.
24:21And I just want to say right at the start that Dave sent his list in first, and his list is better than mine.
24:28And I would have put several of the names that Dave put on his list on my list.
24:33But, yes, it's funny. I looked at two different lists when we were trying to decide this, and one of them had Bill in round 11.
24:41One of them had Rashad White in round 11.
24:44I think either of them, after the first 10 rounds, is a fantastic pick.
24:48I expect White to have the pass game role locked up.
24:51And there's probably a lot of targets available behind Terry McClure in this offense.
24:56Some of them could go to Antonio Williams. Some of them could go to Chigakonkwo.
25:00Somebody might talk about those guys later. But I think Rashad White will definitely take care of the running back targets and
25:07has an opportunity as well to work on early downs.
25:10He'll be their two-minute drill guy. He could be a good flex in PPR.
25:14And he may just prove to be the best rusher or the guy they trust more on early downs as well and be a fantastic value here.
25:22I think he's a good value here in his current role, though.
25:26Okay. Rashad White. Xavier Worthy. Now, I'm going to throw Xavier Worthy in with a guy that Dave has on his list, which is Travis Kelsey.
25:34Kelsey was a top-six tight end per game with Patrick Mahomes.
25:37Worthy was pretty much a non-factor last year. He played eight games with Mahomes, Rice, Kelsey, and Worthy all playing.
25:43Those eight games, Worthy had a 16.2% target share.
25:46Kelsey was about 20.2%, I believe, and Rice was something like 28%.
25:50But here's a question. Heath and then Dave and then Jamie.
25:53Can Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelsey both be good, assuming Rashid Rice is, you know, Rashid Rice?
25:58Or do you think there's only room for one of them to be good?
26:02Heath? If Rashid Rice is a 30% target share guy and plays 17 games, I think it's really difficult for both Xavier
26:09Worthy and Travis Kelsey to be good. But I don't know that they have to be good to be values in round 11 or later.
26:17They're both just really cheap. We've heard a lot of the Chiefs talking this offseason about how Worthy's lack of involvement was
26:23due to the fact that he wasn't really ever healthy after he got truck stick by his own teammate in week one.
26:30And so I think there's opportunity there. And when I was talking about Rashid Rice and why, and I think Jamie too,
26:37like everything went so great for him this offseason until about a week ago.
26:41Everything went so great for Xavier Worthy. They didn't bring in anybody that I think is going to compete with him for targets either.
26:48And if Rice is not 100% because he's trying to rehab in a jail, then or if Rice is suspended or if
26:55Rice does something else wrong and Worthy has a chance to be a smash value.
26:59But I think even if Rice plays 17 games, Worthy will be better than a round 11 value.
27:05I feel the same way about Kelsey. Tell me if you think this is good.
27:09A tight end that gets at least 10 PPR points in 62.5% of his games.
27:14Is that good? Is that okay? How do you rate that?
27:17How do you gauge that? Solid. Solid is a great way to put it.
27:22Yeah. Not a guy that I'm going to go to the waiver wire much for.
27:26Just going to leave him in my roster. Sure.
27:29Sure. That's what Kelsey did last year in full games with Mahomes and Rice.
27:33It's an eight game sample, but that's what he did.
27:36And there were a couple of games. His two best games of the year came with both Mahomes and Rice on the field.
27:43I know that that's not what you expect when you hear the name Travis Kelsey.
27:48When you hear that name, if you've been playing fantasy for more than a year, you're thinking about a guy that can
27:54help you win your week every week. And now he just can't do that.
27:59But he's also not getting drafted with a top 30 pick.
28:02Now it's like pick 100 when Travis Kelsey comes off the board.
28:06So I don't mind. And Adam, I know you've been doing this in our early drafts.
28:10I don't mind waiting on Kelsey, assuming I don't get a good value at tight end within the first five rounds.
28:17I'll just go to greater late and Kelsey will be somebody that I target late.
28:21This is the first time since 2014, if the data is accurate, because it's obviously a bunch of different sites.
28:27But first time since 2014 that he will not be a top five pick at tight end.
28:33Oh, wow. Yeah, he won't be. That's amazing. Just goes to show his staying power and obviously how great he's been.
28:39I think there's a couple of things here that you look at with the Chiefs.
28:43Well, more than a couple, but a couple that I haven't mentioned.
28:47Obviously, you've got to see what's happening with Rice in regards to both these guys.
28:52I think Kelsey probably just goes up incrementally if Rice isn't there.
28:55Worthy takes a huge leap, obviously, if Rice isn't there.
28:58You wonder if there's still a player out there that we know of that has ties to the Chiefs.
29:04Do they consider bringing in Tyreek Hill if this goes the way that it could for Rice, either with injury or potential suspension?
29:11Just to have somebody there that has some familiarity with the team.
29:15Mahomes. And where is he? What's the status of his knee?
29:18And is he the same guy? Is he better because of just having to change some things this offseason?
29:24His numbers, I know obviously it was – and he's obviously still in his prime, but peak Mahomes from a statistical standpoint.
29:30His numbers were at his best when Eric Biennemi was on the offensive staff.
29:35And so now you have Biennemi back. How much does that factor in as well?
29:39So there's a lot of moving parts, I think, with the Chiefs right now.
29:43I think just given the fact of where you can get these two players in particular.
29:48We talk about lottery tickets. And again, most drafts aren't happening now, so you'll know what Rashi Rice's standing is and where he's coming into the season.
29:57But my God, best ball drafts? Like Xavier Worthy is a smash pick.
30:00It's funny. Dave is bringing up some ADP in our private chat saying in CBS ADP it's going Kelsey, Worthy, Mahomes.
30:07But all these guys are late-round picks, whereas last year I think they were all going in round five or six.
30:13And Rashi Rice was actually going after them. He was facing a six-game suspension.
30:17And now, obviously, Rice is going first. And all three, Mahomes.
30:21Mahomes, who was coming off a torn ACL, but he was a top-five quarterback, number three quarterback, something like that, per game.
30:27And then Kelsey, top six per game with Mahomes.
30:30And Worthy had kind of a lost season because of the injury.
30:34But they're all late picks now, as of right now.
30:37I want to show you just one thing with Kelsey.
30:40You know, we talk a lot about his age.
30:43He's 37 in October. Two years ago, the efficiency was really bad.
30:46Last year he had a nice bounce back. He's not great anymore.
30:50But take a look. If you're watching YouTube, you see the target percentage.
30:54That's target per outrun. And I'll highlight it for you.
30:57Target per outrun rate last year for Kelsey was 18.8%.
31:00It's a huge, huge decline. Two previous years, 23.5%, 18.8% target per outrun rate.
31:04And then I'm going to add one other thing here that doesn't get talked about a lot with Kelsey.
31:10Maybe it does. But it's touchdowns. And watch his target share, his target per outrun rate in the green zone.
31:16And look at how much it's collapsed. 13.5% last year, 18.8% the year before.
31:20So Travis Kelsey used to get routinely a quarter of the green zone target or get targeted on a quarter of his routes in the green zone.
31:28Now it's not even close. And yet he still is among the league.
31:32Last year, he led all tight ends in goal-to-go routes run.
31:36But he just doesn't get targeted there anymore. It's really weird.
31:39If we can get back to that, maybe he can get us eight touchdowns or something like that.
31:44But kind of a strange trend for Kelsey that Holmes just does not look for him in the end zone nearly as much as it used to.
31:53Okay. Back to Heath's list. We had... Why don't we stick with a tight end here?
31:58We'll save Tucker for last. Let's go to Mark Andrews.
32:01Mark Andrews is on this list for you. And how do you compare Andrews and Kelsey?
32:05I think they're very similar. Kelsey is definitely ahead of Andrews if we don't think Rashi Rice is 100% going into the
32:12year or he's not going to be available for 100% of the games.
32:16If Rice is, then I think they're both kind of borderline top 12 tight ends.
32:21I expect Andrews to benefit from the departure of Isaiah Likely.
32:24I'm not super optimistic that either of the rookie-wide receivers the Ravens drafted are going to have a huge share of the targets.
32:31Andrews should have a bigger share than he did last year.
32:34And I think that it's quite likely that they throw...
32:37Likely. Just a little bit more than they did last year because the pass rate was so incredibly low and they just changed offensive coordinators.
32:45So I think we could see an increase in targets for Andrews.
32:48And he's always a guy that's a threat to score double-digit touchdowns even if the targets are low.
32:54So somebody I'm happy to settle for at tight end after round 10.
32:58Kelsey or Andrews? He said it depends on Rashi Rice.
33:01I see. I missed that. Yeah, I would take Kelsey still over Andrews.
33:05But I think Andrews is... He's so interesting because they draft a big receiver in Jacoby Lane.
33:10And can he go out and be a red zone threat and maybe take some touchdowns away from Andrews?
33:16But Andrews, just looking at it, obviously I like looking at intangible.
33:19So Declan Doyle is related to Mike Ditka, tight ends coach in Denver.
33:23And he has... I forget where he was prior to this.
33:27Oh, Ben Johnson. He was on Ben Johnson's day.
33:29Ben Johnson at Boston College. So, you know, obviously coming from a system that may favor tight end.
33:35And we may be talking about Ben Johnson's tree in the same light that we talk about Kevin Stefanski's tree.
33:41You know, so there's a good bounce back situation here for Andrews who, you know, prior to last year was consistent with his fantasy production.
33:48Obviously it was kind of weird how he did it, you know, 2023.
33:52Or excuse me, 2024. So touchdown dependent. So it's a lot to like based on his value because, you know, you could
33:59see different, you know, moving parts for this offense just because it's a change.
34:03Change in head coach, change in coordinator. But obviously we know that Lamar Jackson likes him.
34:08And it was so surprising that in December that they gave him the three-year extension when they knew Likely was up to be a free agent.
34:16Like I think we all thought, okay, Andrews walks.
34:19They re-sign Likely and they build around the younger player.
34:22And here they go sticking with the veteran. So I don't know how much of that was Lamar Jackson, how much of
34:28that was just management, you know, wanting to keep Andrews around, how much they still think that Andrews has to offer.
34:35But obviously things worked out pretty well for him this offseason too.
34:39And they changed coaches after that, which was all the more interesting.
34:42I got confused with Doyle with another offensive coordinator who worked with Ben Johnson once upon a time.
34:48But yeah, Doyle was with Ben Johnson last year.
34:50Doyle is a Sean Payton disciple. I've been doing a bunch of research on the new play callers across the league and definitely was a tight ends coach.
34:59Definitely has a track record. Of leaning into his tight ends.
35:02We've already talked about the lack of other decent tight ends in Baltimore.
35:06What's stopping Mark Andrews from going back to being second on the team in targets?
35:11And I agree with Heath that there should be a slight uptick in pass attempts from Baltimore moving forward.
35:16I mean, it's one thing to be second on the team in targets, but if they're going to be last in the
35:23NFL, they might have a slight uptick, but they still might be, you know, 30.
35:28They're basically 30th or lower in pass attempts every year except for one of Lamar Jackson's career.
35:33I might be slightly off on that, but they're super run heavy every year.
35:37They don't throw a lot. And I have his stats up, Mark Andrews.
35:41I want you to look at the end zone target column.
35:44I'll highlight it here. He's the opposite of Kelsey.
35:47Sorry. He gets a lot of them. Now, two years ago, he caught 80% of them, which was insane.
35:53Last year, he caught like 15% of them or something like that.
35:56So maybe more than that, but it was kind of low.
36:00But he I kind of look at him as maybe this year's Dallas Goddard, where he'd have to score a lot of
36:06touchdowns, Mark Andrews, which is what he did in 2024.
36:09Right. But I don't know is as recently as 2023, Mark Andrews played nine healthy games, play one game with 10% of the snaps in the nine games.
36:18He was on pace for 81 catches, 984 yards, 12 touchdowns on 111 targets.
36:22He was the best tight end in fantasy when he was healthy in 2023, 2024.
36:27He was all touchdowns last year. He was tight on 27 per game, but it is two years in a row with 70 targets in a full season.
36:35So I don't know. I'm not really that optimistic about him.
36:39I don't know. I don't, I don't see how he gets to a hundred targets.
36:43Oh, I don't. Yeah. But what has he done that once?
36:46Um, well, he's probably been on pace for that more than once, but I don't know.
36:51I guess he's done it twice. It's almost six targets per game.
36:55A hundred. Right. Yeah. I will say that like when you're talking, like they are always low in pass attempts and they've
37:02been terribly low the last three years, but they threw 422 passes last year.
37:06Yeah. Yeah. 422. Like they're going to throw it 50 more times.
37:10Most likely. Okay. All right. Um, let's go to a Trey Tucker.
37:13Last guy on Heath's list. Trey Tucker with the Raiders.
37:16I don't know who it's going to be. The number one wide receiver for the Raiders is being drafted after round 10.
37:23It's pretty rare that you get a chance to draft the number one wide receiver for a team after round 10.
37:29Tucker is entering his fourth year. He has gotten better every year.
37:33It's going to be him or Jalen Naylor. I prefer Tucker.
37:36I think one of the other guys prefers Naylor.
37:39I would draft one of those guys after round 10.
37:42Who likes Naylor better than Tucker? It's me. Okay.
37:45Yeah. You want to just fire at other positions, which does make sense.
37:49Would you guys... And Jack Bash is in the same range too.
37:52Like they're all three worth dart throws here. He should be third, but Tucker and Naylor are definitely worth taking a shot on it.
38:00Would you rather have Jalen McMillan or a Raiders receiver?
38:03Raiders receiver. Raiders. Yes. Okay. How about Casey Concepcion or Raiders receiver?
38:06Concepcion. Casey. Denzel Boston or Raiders? Raiders. Yep. Because that's interesting.
38:10You have more faith in Concepcion being... That's not that interesting.
38:13But you have more faith in Concepcion being ahead of Boston than you do any particular Raiders guy being ahead of the other.
38:20Not including the tight end. Just talking about wide receivers.
38:23Okay. And by the way, I talked early in the show.
38:26I started out with that stat that there have been 36 wide receivers in the last six seasons drafted around nine or
38:33later that have finished either top 24 overall or top 24 per game.
38:37The three who did it last year were Wondell Robinson, Michael Wilson, and then the one guy who did it only per game was Christian Watson.
38:45All three of them really benefited from injuries to teammates.
38:48Neighbors, Marvin Harrison Jr., and I would argue Tucker Craft.
38:51So, that is often what happens. I looked at the list that there have been a lot of guys who have just
38:57really been target hogs because of injuries. We can't sit here and predict that.
39:02But that's a lot of times the guys who end up emerging from this range.
39:06But we'll give you some more names to consider when we come back.
39:10We'll take a break and Dave and Jamie will give their lists after this.
39:14So, Dave's talked about Travis Kelsey already. So, we'll skip Kelsey.
39:18And we'll go to Isaiah Likely. Isaiah Likely. And then we'll give the two running backs on Dave's list, Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman.
39:25Isaiah Likely or Travis Kelsey or Mark Andrews, Dave?
39:28I will fire the shot on Likely before settling for one of those other tight ends.
39:33Jamie? Likely's ADP is one of the strangest things I've seen because usually people get more excited about new players joining new
39:39teams, players that have a track record like this where he always generates hype anytime he does something of significance.
39:45And I would have thought if you were to say, okay, here's the tight end ADP or just ADP overall, that Likely
39:52would have been in the top 10 range of his position.
39:55And the fact that he's not is a little disturbing to me.
39:59So, I wonder why the market is not reflecting that.
40:02I'm sure that will change once we get to redraft leagues.
40:05But I think there's a huge upside play here for Likely.
40:09So, definitely him for me. I wonder if it's because we've been burned by Likely so many times.
40:14Have we? There are so many. It feels like it.
40:17I don't know. There was the overspend on Fab after the week one game in 2024.
40:22And then even last year, too, we had a big game and we were all excited about him in the next week.
40:29I think he had a donut the week after a big game in 2025.
40:33Okay. Look, I like the fact that this is somebody who was a number two tight end on his team who should
40:40now be a number one tight end for his new team.
40:43Coach knows who he is and what he's capable of doing.
40:46And who's going to be the number two target getter in New York?
40:50And all this talk about they want to be more run heavy.
40:54Okay, fine. So, they're not going to be a bastion of passing.
40:58But think about what they've got. It's neighbors coming off of an ACL.
41:01It's a bunch of other receivers that are either inexperienced or underwhelming for their entire careers.
41:06And then it's Isaiah Likely, who admittedly has been a little underwhelming, but he's also never had a lot of opportunities.
41:13He's had nine career games with six or more targets.
41:16He's had 12 and a half or more PPR points in eight of the nine.
41:20Wow. And Matt Nagy has a track record. Well, it's better than that.
41:24Do you know what he's averaged in those nine games?
41:27It's huge. I just like giving a floor. 16.6 PPR points per game in those nine games.
41:32Wow. Okay, so you can choose your favorite set.
41:35Either way, you'll love it. And then Nagy brought in Trey Burton in Chicago when he went to Chicago, gave him a huge amount of money.
41:43He underwhelmed. It was 9.2 PPR points per game, 4.8 targets per game.
41:47That would suck. And that would be an even worse floor for likely than what we're talking about.
41:52But that's also not six targets per game. And then obviously Nagy did a lot of work with Travis Kelsey at tight end.
41:59These are not the same players, likely much more of a receiving tight end than a do-it-all tight end like Kelsey is.
42:06I don't mind taking the chance on him. And the ADP is helpful.
42:10So I will target him. Like I said, I will target him ahead of Kelsey, Andrews, Goddard, all these other older tight ends.
42:17Kittle, there's no way I'm going to go to battle with one of those older guys when I can get somebody that's
42:24maybe the new hotness at the position. Okay. And Jonathan Brooks and Jonah Coleman, who do you prefer?
42:29For now, it's Brooks. But there could be a switch between now and August where I put Coleman ahead of Brooks.
42:35And it really just comes down to how Brooks comes along in the preseason.
42:40Is he practicing with the team most days? Does he get into preseason games?
42:44We're talking about a running back that's had two major ACL injuries in the same knee.
42:49And now suddenly we're adding him with a late pick.
42:52I guess the value is great. But the hope is that he actually makes inroads on making Chuba Hubbard a 1B back.
42:58And it might be a little too far-fetched. But if it's a double-digit round pick, I don't mind the concept of it.
43:05It just might be someone that you're drafting before the season and cutting by October because he's not getting the job done.
43:12And then obviously any setback that he has between now and week one and his draft stock is going to plummet.
43:18Coleman is an interesting fit in Denver. A lot of people, including some people in Denver, compare him to J.K.
43:24Dobbins. But he doesn't have the injury history of J.K.
43:27Dobbins. And you've got to figure that Dobbins will miss time at some point along the way.
43:32Is it going to be R.J. Harvey that gets all that work?
43:36Or does Coleman earn a role where he leapfrogs Harvey and is the 1A and Harvey is the 1B?
43:42I'm going to point to some things that were really good for Coleman when he was in college.
43:47He was awesome in short yardage goal line situations.
43:50He's a good zone-blocking running back. I think that he can be somebody who can contribute similarly to how Dobbins contributes for Denver.
43:57And it might not be just this year. I think he's a first-round pick, obviously, in rookie-only drafts.
44:02And I think he's worth stashing, especially if you go 0 RB.
44:06You get J.K. Dobbins. All right, Dobbins is your starter to begin the season.
44:10You have mild RB2 expectations for him. But then when he goes down, Coleman might be the one that you place in the lineups instead of R.J.
44:19Harvey. And Harvey's being drafted out of both the Denver running backs.
44:22And they talk about Coleman as a third down back, whereas we know Dobbins is not going to be that.
44:28Nope. But I don't know. I just can't draft a guy where I feel like he has to leapfrog two players.
44:35Not if he's already got a role. If he's already got a role as a third down back, which you don't see from rookies very often.
44:42It's why I didn't say anything about that. Because you don't see rookies going from college to pros and they're suddenly playing third downs.
44:50LaQuint Allen did it last year. No one knows who he is because he didn't help us in fantasy.
44:56But it's rare. There might be one guy a year.
44:59Could Coleman be that guy this year? Maybe. And does he have value when J.K.
45:03Dobbins is healthy? Definitely not. Right. You can't start him.
45:06If Coleman is the third down back now, then R.J.
45:09Harvey is one of the biggest busts in fantasy.
45:12I mean, I think Tyler Bidet might be the third down back right now with Harvey also playing third down.
45:18I don't think they have one exclusive third down back.
45:21I think they split it between Harvey and Bidet last year.
45:24I think that's what they did. And I guess they would do that too.
45:29But yeah, Harvey, not great. Okay. Anyway, that's Dave's list.
45:32That would be Kelsey, Likely, Brooks, and Coleman. And Jamie's got Chris Rodriguez, Dallas Goddard, Matthew Stafford, and a couple of commanders on his team.
45:39So who do you want to start with, Jamie, on his list?
45:43We start with Rodriguez. Stick with the running backs.
45:46All right. Stick with the running backs and go with Chris Rodriguez.
45:49I mean, again, we're looking at a backfield that we don't really know exactly who the starter is going to be.
45:56And Rodriguez could be that guy, and you're getting him significantly later than you're getting Basil Tootin.
46:01So I hope it's Tootin. I think he's got a little bit more upside than Rodriguez, who doesn't have the at least
46:07resume or pedigree seemingly to be involved in the passing game significantly.
46:11But Rodriguez, as we've talked about time and again after he signed with Jacksonville, has a history with Liam Cohen from their days in Kentucky.
46:19He was good at times for the commanders last season.
46:22So when given work, I think he'll be productive.
46:24Could they split the running back share, the workload that is left behind by Travis Etienne?
46:29Absolutely. And then Rodriguez is still good value in a handcuff situation.
46:33Obviously has lottery ticket upside if Basil Tootin were to miss any time.
46:37But we sort of fell for the hype for Tootin last year.
46:40Again, different scenario because there was a proven veteran on the roster.
46:44Obviously, if Rodriguez comes out in training camp and shows that he's the better of the two running backs, this ADP is going to change.
46:52So you're getting him at a discount now. But again, this is just one of those situations where could the second guy
46:58and the guy that they paid be a little bit better than the guy that we are expecting to be the incumbent?
47:05I just like to take a lot of shots on Chris Rodriguez.
47:09I think as a fourth running back in some cases, maybe a fifth running back, depending on how many you like to put on your team.
47:17This is a guy that can end up being significantly more valuable than we are drafting him right now.
47:22Okay. And Chris Rodriguez, yeah, six career catches. Do you think he over under six catches this year for Chris Rodriguez?
47:29I'll take the off. Okay. Just a fun note here.
47:32This is why advanced metrics are fun but not always so helpful.
47:35Over the last three seasons, among 87 running backs with 100 or more carries, Chris Rodriguez ranks 10th in a void rate, which is great.
47:43Number one on the list is Kendry Miller. Number five is Tank Bigsby.
47:47Number seven is Antonio Gibson. Number eight is Jaleel McLaughlin.
47:50So it's like Rodriguez has great stats, but everything is just such small samples with him.
47:55But no, I mean, I totally agree. Not trying to throw cold water on.
47:59It's a great pick. Just a note on stats.
48:02All right. Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard was the number five tight end per game in non and half PPR, number six in full PPR.
48:09He has been a top 13 per game tight end in full PPR in seven straight seasons.
48:14I'm guessing he's around top 13 in ADP check.
48:17He is tight end 14. Undervalued, Jamie. Dallas Goddard.
48:20So undervalued. And again, this will change when the A.J.
48:23Brown trade, I'm sure, officially happens. But you see the path here, right?
48:27It's taking away a significant piece of this offense and changing things around.
48:31Obviously, Mekhi Lemon comes in, 20th overall pick in the NFL draft.
48:34I think what's not being said enough is they drafted another tight end that we're expecting to just be the replacement.
48:41But what if we see a lot more 12 personnel for them and we see Stowers on the field a little bit more?
48:47Remember, change in play caller. So personnel could be a little bit different for the Eagles as well.
48:53So Goddard may lose a few opportunities even though there's something being removed with A.J.
48:57Brown gone. But still, if you take A.J. Brown off the field, I think you just want to take chances on a
49:04guy that has clearly been a go-to option for Jalen Hurts.
49:08And Heath made this comment. I forget who it was about.
49:11Maybe it was about Goddard. But Hurts has been stubborn to change things.
49:15If he's going to be stubborn to adapt to Sean Mannion and still want to stick to the guys that he's relying
49:21on, then Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard are in great spots.
49:25So I think just looking at where Goddard's ADP is, again, taking chances on late round tight ends.
49:30You said it, Adam. He's got a track record that's hard to argue with.
49:34He's also got an injury history that's hard to argue with as well.
49:38So you've got to be prepared for him to miss a couple of weeks at some point during the season, at least if that holds.
49:46But, again, playing for a contract year coming off a season where he was among the leaders in touchdowns of the position,
49:53among the leaders in pass catchers in touchdowns. Dallas Goddard just is an easy auto pick if you just miss on all these tight ends.
50:00It's funny because two of the guys that we mentioned, I think I mentioned this, and I was going to bring it
50:07up with Dan when Dan was saying he couldn't make a draft pick while he was on the golf course.
50:13I said this either yesterday or Monday. Last week I did a draft for a magazine.
50:18I'm coaching a baseball game. I am running the game changer where I have to keep track of the score and doing
50:25a draft all at the same time. I drafted Isaiah Likely.
50:28The only auto pick that I had, I'm sorry, I had two.
50:31The last pick, which I didn't really care about, I had two auto picks.
50:36One was like round 11 or 12. It was Dallas Goddard.
50:39And I think that's an easy tight end pairing if you're a little bit concerned about does Isaiah Likely take that step forward.
50:46Dallas Goddard is a great fallback option. So if you want to take two tight ends, give me Likely and Goddard all day long.
50:53This is a great team name from or nickname from Mike D for three.
50:58Dallas Pater. Yeah, because that means scoring a touchdown.
51:00But let me show you this page for Dallas Goddard just for fun.
51:04He led. He was tied with Jake Ferguson for most targets among tight ends from the one to five yard line.
51:11But he scored seven touchdowns. No one else scored more than four.
51:14And then if you look at this history, this is a page that shows Dallas Goddard's tight end targets targets by season
51:21from the five yard line or closer. He has 20 for his career.
51:25He had eight last year. He had four straight seasons with one.
51:28So they just they were intentional about it. They threw a lot of screens to him near the goal line.
51:35But even in the years where he wasn't scoring a lot of touchdowns, top 13 per game in PPR, seven straight seasons.
51:41Heath, any thoughts on Goddard versus likely and Kelsey and Andrews?
51:45I think likely is in a different category. And Goddard, Andrews and Kelsey are all right in the same group.
51:51Did you guys not not see the Dallas Goddard target screen?
51:54Did I not have that displayed? No. Sorry, I screwed that up.
51:58Well, anyway, he has 20 career targets inside the five yard line and eight of them were last year.
52:03Jamie, Matthew Stafford. David's talked about him a lot.
52:06And now he's on your list here. Matthew Stafford, one of your favorite late round picks.
52:11Heath, are you also in on Stafford as a late round pick?
52:15If it's late enough. OK, Jamie. What's late enough?
52:17Yeah. Yeah. All right. What is late enough, Heath?
52:20I mean, I don't usually draft him in our drafts because Jalen Hurts goes in round seven or eight and Dak Prescott.
52:27Prescott goes after that. And so if you're talking about but if you are in a league where quarterbacks are going in
52:33the first six rounds and Matthew Stafford's there in round 11, then sure, it makes a lot of sense.
52:39Jamie, thoughts on Stafford? I mean, we've said a lot.
52:42It was just a little surprising that he's so late on Fantasy Pro's ADP.
52:46You know, so for a guy that led the position in fantasy points per game last year.
52:52And I know, you know, the sample size for Stafford is two years over 25 fantasy points and two years under 20 fantasy points.
52:59Like which Stafford are we getting this season? But I think you just have to look at what he did last year,
53:06first year with, you know, the two receivers that he had.
53:09Devontae Adams is the touchdown guy and Puka Nakua having career season.
53:12Like you just look at this and say, OK, if I miss on everything, I'll take the NFL MVP this late.
53:19You know, so it's just easy to, you know, fall back on.
53:23But again, this position is so deep. You know, it's a matter of do you take the chance on Stafford doing this again?
53:29Or let's say Kyler Murray, who's also going this range.
53:33Another guy I was going to mention, but I feel like we talked about him a lot too.
53:38Another guy that's in this range that has, in my opinion, huge upside also.
53:42So I would probably lean toward the proven guy more so than the unproven in terms of what they just did a year ago.
53:49To me, Stafford is an easy, easy fallback option.
53:52And I think if we were to say he's going to do X, Y, or Z of anything that he did a
53:59year ago, he'd be a top five player at his position.
54:02It's just the fact that he's 38 years old.
54:05They drafted a guy, you know, this just plays on people's minds.
54:09They drafted his replacement. So I think that weighs down his value a little bit, you know, in terms of Ty Simpson with the first round pick.
54:17You're looking again, if you take the body of work that Stafford was not good in 2024, 2023 as a fantasy quarterback.
54:23But still, like, just had such an amazing season.
54:26You love the play caller. You love the weapons.
54:29It's hard not to think that Stafford could be 20-plus points per game again.
54:33And I think just getting him in this range is easy to, you know, to take him.
54:38So when you say his ADP is so low, what kind of ADP are you seeing for Stafford?
54:44I mean, round 11 or later is pretty good.
54:46Yeah. I'm seeing him right around 100th or so.
54:49QB 13. On Fantasy Pros? Yeah. I mean, Fantasy Pros depends what format you look at.
54:54You look at non-PPR. I think he's QB 15.
54:57And on full PPR, he's QB 13 going about 104th, I think.
55:00Oh, I saw it later. I'm sorry. No, that's all right.
55:04I mean, things change. Draft Sharks, he's going 112th as QB.
55:07Where's he in ours? 5, 6, 7. He's QB 13 in hours.
55:11Oh, no, he's QB 12 in hours, and he's going 123rd.
55:14This is Matthew Stafford we're talking about. So roughly QB 12, 13 in most of these ADPs.
55:19Draft Sharks is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.
55:24So, all right. But I guess just to conclude, I think, Heath, you said round 12?
55:2911 or 12 is fine, yeah. Dave, Matthew Stafford, where would you want to take him?
55:3410. Jamie? After round 11. Okay. And then finally, you gave yourself a couple of options on the commanders.
55:40Chigo Conquo and Antonio Williams. What's the theme there?
55:43It's almost like what Heath was saying with the Raiders receivers.
55:46Like, you know, you're looking at the guys that are going to be involved opposite or along with Terry McLaurin.
55:52And as of right now, these are the top two guys.
55:55You know, Rashad White's going to factor in as well.
55:58Or at least a running back will factor in as well.
56:02I would say it's White also. So, the one thing that you've got to keep an eye on is this is a Stephon Diggs potential destination.
56:10You know, that's been rumored. He's from the Maryland area.
56:13So, could he, you know, sign with the commanders?
56:15I think that changes things. Certainly for Williams. But, I mean, obviously we saw Jaden Daniels in the rookie season.
56:21Zach Ertz was a huge part of what he was doing.
56:25And Oconco is one of these, you know, unique tight ends that he's extremely fast.
56:29He was a fast guy at the Combine when he came out.
56:33He doesn't necessarily catch the ball like he would like to see.
56:37He has an issue with drops. But an athletic tight end that finds a way to get open.
56:42When he's gotten targets, he's been successful with them.
56:45And so, this is just an easy late round guy, again, past the Goddard-Andrews-Kelsey range, you know, if you miss on those guys.
56:52But if you're inclined to take two tight ends, if you want to pair an older tight end with a guy that's
56:58just getting a great opportunity, you know, again, looking at this receiving core, it's Terry McLaurin and a bunch of unknowns.
57:05And so, that's where Antonio Williams comes into play.
57:07Obviously, a guy that they drafted with the perfect, clear destination to just go get targets right away.
57:13And so, if he can prove himself to be, you know, better than the Traylon Burks of the world and the other
57:20guys that they have there, you know, just a lot of veterans, Diami Brown, you know, guys that aren't exactly, I think,
57:26players with upside in their careers at this point.
57:29You know, so Williams can go step in right away, earn a role.
57:33Um, and these are just two guys, again, when you're looking at opportunities at tight end and wide receiver, they both have it.
57:40I'm going to throw out just some, some late round picks according to current fantasy pros ADP that we haven't talked about.
57:47Tell me how excited you would be to draft them.
57:50How about Jalen Coker? I, I originally was going to give him as one of the, list him as one of the
57:56players, but it's, it's obviously tougher now to expect a big season after drafting Brazel and, you know, looking at where Coker
58:03was the majority of the year last year. Like he had some good moments.
58:07I just don't know if it'll be consistent. Like he'll probably have some flashes, but still believe in the player.
58:13I just don't love the scenario right now that they bring in another wide receiver.
58:18Three out of 10. Okay. And how about, I, I think Tyrone Tracy Jr.
58:22is going too late. Just a little bit too much faith in Scadaboo.
58:26My opinion coming off this injury, Tyrone Tracy Jr.
58:29132nd overall. Four out of 10. If I don't have Scadaboo eight out of 10, if I do, I'll say six, uh, six either way.
58:36Sam Darnold, CJ Stroud, Cam Ward, Daniel Jones. Zero out of 10.
58:40Um, let's see. How about Jawan Johnson? Two. Zero.
58:43I know it sounds weird because he had a good year last year, but the saints made additions and there's other tight
58:49ends that we talked about on this show that you can get later on that.
58:54I feel like Jawan can sit on the waiver wire and if he has a good week one, we'll race to pick them up.
59:01But I'd be surprised if he's second on the team and targets this year.
59:05Yeah. Uh, I guess I shouldn't say that if Jordan Tyson goes down with an injury or a lobby has, you know,
59:12hopefully he whole lobby plays 17 games, but obviously one of those guys misses time.
59:17Jawan goes back to his old role. Jalen McMillan.
59:19Anyone? Anyone interested? Not really. He's one out of 10.
59:22You missed my, uh, 180 degree flip on Chris Godwin yesterday.
59:26I'm out. You're out. Tell them why. What was it?
59:29He ran, um, he had a 59 yard catch and run or something against the dolphins and I, I clocked his 40 and it was like 5.36 seconds.
59:37But there was, there was some non straight line running in it.
59:41You Azer statted a 40 yard dash off of a play where he was making cuts to avoid football players.
59:47He ran a game where he had over a hundred yards receiving a touchdown.
59:51Yeah. But that's why you watch the tape. You don't just go by the stats.
59:56Yeah. Um, he, he was so slow and really couldn't get open last year.
60:00You know what? Let me see what, let me just see ESPN open score last year on, on Chris Godwin.
60:06Let's see. I'm curious where he ranked, uh, Chris Godwin.
60:09He out of how many receivers? It wasn't that bad.
60:12A hundred and 10th. He was 56. Not bad.
60:15A buka was a hundred and fourth for what that's worth.
60:18Wow. Nico Collins was a hundredth. I don't really put so much stock in this, but there's some.
60:24Yeah. I'm glad you brought it up though. Using that.
60:27Uh, yeah, but no, I, I, I mean, I watching that game.
60:30I just, man, McMillan was so much better than Chris Godwin.
60:34And I think there's a chance that he's a, he's their number two receiver and he's going super late.
60:39So I guess I'll be there. Number two receiver.
60:42Yeah, I think so. Interesting. Well, who else would it be?
60:45Ted Hirsch. I think McMillan could be their fourth receiver.
60:49Yeah, he could. I don't know how much he'll play, but I do think there, I think anyone is eligible to be their number two receiver.
60:56I think a buka will be their number one receiver, but, uh, anyone could be their number two, including McMillan.
61:02Um, let's see. I'll give it just a couple more.
61:06I can find the tab. I have so many tabs.
61:09How many tabs do you guys usually have open?
61:11You're just doing work. 50. My laptop, it's, it's like 20 something.
61:15This one it's four. You know, 22 ish. I've got like 25 on one tab on one browser.
61:20I have 30 open right now. I didn't realize it was that many.
61:24Wow. Um, he has 210 tabs. Uh, how about a little earlier?
61:28Round 10, Matthew golden. Love that. Oh yeah. Okay.
61:31No, Jamie hated it when I picked them at the time.
61:34Yes. But I picked them earlier. I picked them in like round eight or something.
61:39And I believe it was like our first draft.
61:41I think Dobbs was on the roster then. Maybe.
61:44Post Superbowl. Yeah. Jaden Higgins round 11. I was more excited after the season.
61:48Now I'm not. Two. Okay. I mean, Tank Dell's recovery is probably a big part of this.
61:53Okay. So we had a YouTube poll. Which side are you on?
61:57Dan or Heath? And I really don't know. Cause I think, I think Heath needed to reach out independently to Dan and
62:04the other guy and ask them why they hadn't made any drops.
62:07I think Heath, um, put a little bit too much faith in the people in his league.
62:13And that, that, that much is clear. Yeah. I think, but I'm going to say, I'm going to vote Heath.
62:19And it's a, it's a little closer than I thought.
62:2268% said Heath, 132 votes, 68% Heath, 32% Dan.
62:24What's your reaction to that Heath? Um, I feel like it really gives me a lot to think about that.
62:30Nearly one third of the people that listened to this show thought that Dan was in the right in this situation.
62:37Yeah. That's. I think, I think though it's. People agree with Dan's take on expanding the rosters and just allowing people to make their picks.
62:44I think that's where people come out on this.
62:47And I know that's where Adam comes out on this because he does it as the big burger commissioner.
62:53I don't think anybody can agree with Dan's excuse making about why he didn't follow the rules that you have laid out
63:00that you obviously were very clear on the not getting emails again.
63:03I'm in the same boat. I have to fix my email from, from, um, our leagues as well.
63:09I don't get those either for some glitch. So Dan's not alone in that, but that being said, as why I asked
63:15Dan the question, I played in dynasty leagues multiple years.
63:18I know that usually after the rookie draft, whether there's going to be a draft or not, there's probably gonna be some mention of it.
63:26The NFL draft is going to be some mention of the rookie draft.
63:30I saw what Heath's messages in both draft, both leagues that he runs.
63:34I made the proper ad drops that I needed to make to make my draft picks.
63:39And I think that's how you have to approach it.
63:42Like he's played in, if this was his first time, and I know it's a, it's a startup dynasty league from 2025,
63:48but if this was his first time playing dynasty and he made the mistake, I would feel much worse for him.
63:55Totally would say, Oh, it was, it was the reason that I basically ruled like Adam suggested and let the picks that
64:01had been made stand because there was someone else in the league who had made the same mistake.
64:07If it had just been Dan, I, I was 100% with you guys.
64:11And, um, I, I think Dan did a good job of gaslighting the audience and trying to turn this into a discussion about my rule.
64:18rules instead of the fact that he didn't pay attention or follow the rules.
64:23Yeah. He, he, he can't be absolved of, of what his misgivings here.
64:27I think this, the problem is like, or not the problem, but I think just the, the debate can certainly be, does
64:33the rule make sense of cutting players before the draft or cutting players after the draft?
64:38And I think that's certainly up for debate. I think he's, I think he's kind of, no, I think you were very
64:45dishonest when you said you expanded the rosters by two, because you really did it.
64:49You just, you just made two roster spots to accommodate for the guys who were coming off the practice squad, the taxi squad.
64:56So that was really, I think morally just horrible.
64:59Well, technically you have to, you have an illegal roster when those guys are no longer eligible for the practice squad, which they aren't after their rookie season.
65:07Right. But you didn't expand the rosters to, I did to help, but not to help people with the draft, which is what you implied.
65:15And that's the other thing is that the people who are suggesting, you know, just add enough roster spots for people to make their picks.
65:23I think at the end of the Yolo season, Dave had eight players on injured reserve and two, and two players in a, in, on his practice squad.
65:31And so if, if I had just added six spots because the Yolo dynasty league has six spots, he still wouldn't have
65:38been able to make a pick without dropping players.
65:41So much to think about. Okay. Well now, and I, by the way, got my emails from Heath and made my rosters legal.
65:47Thank you. And Dan's in that league. And you know what?
65:51Dan dropped all the players he needed to make, to drop, to make a pick in that league.
65:56I don't know why he got so mad about this though.
66:00I think, I think what we're heading toward, and Adam's not going to like this because it's going to impact him, but
66:06I think we're heading toward is a new athletic competition between Heath and Dan.
66:11Oh, and you guys can play your little tennis game on your own.
66:14And we, we figure out now, Heath, do you play tennis?
66:18No, no. Okay. So I've played, I mean, I've played, but I don't actively.
66:22So we have to find something that's like, common ground for the two of you because basketball, you'll kill them.
66:28So. Oh, damn, damn basketball. I'll back him down.
66:31I'll back him down all day. I think I'm strongly considering buying some golf clubs and picking golf back up.
66:37And I was, I did play golf in high school and I lived on a golf course for about 10 years and
66:44I haven't played for 10 years, but I think with a year of practice, I'd probably be better at golf.
66:50Yeah. But we got to get this for the summer.
66:53That would be that. I wouldn't let it happen because if you beat Dan at golf, I think it'll kill him.
66:59It would kill him. Yeah. It would kill him.
67:02And I love him too much to allow. How about like field goal kicking competition between Heath and Dan?
67:08Like Thomas, Thomas would destroy Dan and golf. Yeah.
67:10Yeah. And Dan thinks he could beat Tom. No, Dan knows Thomas would beat him.
67:15No, but there was a while where Dan thought he could beat Thomas and that's just insane.
67:20I hope not. Yeah. Oh, well anyway, 15 yard field goals.
67:23Dan's Dan is, is something else. I think we've got to come up with something.
67:28Adam's out. It's going to be Dan versus Keith at this one.
67:31It's fine with me. Uh, all right. I will, uh, we will talk to you.
67:36Oh, Tuesday. He's got a three day weekend. Fun stuff.
67:39All right. So have a great Memorial day, everybody.
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