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Case Closed! Recapping the Bears’ MNF Win, Plus Raiders and More

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1 hr 3 min
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Sep 29, 2026
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Tue, September 29, 2026
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Drake MayeBryce YoungJalen HurtsBrock BowersC.J. StroudCaleb WilliamsCase KeenumChris BellD'Andre SwiftDarius CooperDavid NjokuDeshaun WatsonDeVonta SmithElijah Moore
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Brock Bowers

PositiveProjection31:28

Mina Kimes delivers an emphatic endorsement of Brock Bowers' performance and trajectory, calling him a 'football robot sent from heaven'; he had 13 targets from slot or wide alignments (most by a tight end in three seasons), eight targets out wide (most since 2016), and six catches out wide (tied with Travis Kelsey's record). Kimes emphasizes his elite footwork, zone feel, body control, and ability to beat corners despite tight coverage; he is being used as a giant receiver in 81% multi-tight end sets (highest rate this year), isolating him on corners and generating explosive plays.

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Bryce Young

NegativeMatchup58:30

Young faced a 66% pressure rate in the first half against the Browns' defense, which was specifically designed to take away his typical reads and force him to hold the football. The Browns rotated split-field coverage, used low-hole players to take away immediate crossers and slants, and showed sophisticated route recognition to disrupt mesh concepts and passing lanes. Young's time to throw exceeded three seconds as the Browns condensed the pocket and forced him to stay in.

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NegativeMatchup64:06

Mina Kimes notes that the Browns defense forced Bryce Young to hold the football for over three seconds and panic by condensing the pocket, highlighting the effectiveness of their pass rush strategy against him.

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C.J. Stroud

PositiveProjection59:43

CJ Stroud is playing good football despite the Texans' offensive limitations and coaching inflexibility; from a success rate and EPA perspective, the Texans remain one of the better teams in the league and should win games once Nico Collins returns, though the team's mid-season quarterback injury and coaching decisions have put them behind in the playoff picture.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeProjection42:22

Caleb Williams' quarterback play is terrible; he attempted three interceptions, held the ball too long (4.8 yards per attempt), completed only three throws over 10 yards, and made poor decisions that are tanking the team despite occasional impressive throws.

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Case Keenum

PositiveProjection0:03

Case Keenum delivered an excellent performance in his first start in nearly three seasons, making difficult throws under pressure with anticipation and confidence. He hit a fadeaway crosshair to Luther Burden with Jonathan Greenard in coverage, threw a dig route to Roman Dunze that Troy Aikman said shouldn't work against quarters coverage, and showed zero hesitation ripping it into tight windows. Ben Johnson noted after the game that Keenum's 15 years in the league means he knows where everybody is supposed to be pre-snap, out of the snap, and post-snap, allowing him to get to his answers so quickly against pressure looks and first-read-relative-to-coverage situations. He was phenomenal, not just in easy mode but hitting genuinely difficult throws.

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Chris Bell

PositiveUsage62:25

Chris Bell is receiving more targets for the Dolphins; the speaker owns him in dynasty and is bullish on his stock trajectory going forward.

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D'Andre Swift

NegativeUsage0:09

DeAndre Swift carried 20 times for 84 yards in the Bears' upset win over the Eagles, with about 40 of those yards coming late in the game. The running game was unremarkable overall despite the Bears using motion to attack the Eagles in the run game, suggesting the Eagles' defense was more vulnerable in the passing game than the running game.

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Darius Cooper

NegativeRole0:16

Darius Cooper, the Eagles' only receiver with size who made a big play against the Titans, took only two snaps on offense in the Bears game. Mina Kimes questioned why the Eagles wanted to get him off the field, suggesting underutilization of their only large-frame receiver option.

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David Njoku

PositiveRole43:29

Njoku (Fannin) is a true Y tight end who fits well with Concepcion in the Browns' pass-catching room, providing the complementary piece the offense needs.

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Deshaun Watson

PositiveRole65:58

Mina Kimes criticizes Deshaun Watson's decision-making with Casey Concepcion: Watson doesn't throw with anticipation to Concepcion despite his consistent separation, and in some cases overthrows him on short routes. This is described as 'infuriating' and contributes to Concepcion's historically low receiving yards despite high target volume.

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DeVonta Smith

NegativeUsage23:39

Mina Kimes argues the Eagles will not maximize DeVonta Smith's production without more aggressive downfield passing; the offense needs to throw more vertically and between zone defenders to get juice for Smith and Lemon, but Hurts and the coaching staff must commit to riskier throws.

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Drake Maye

NegativeProjection43:17

Drake Maye's performance is miserable; he was always bad and last year's success was schedule-dependent. He shows occasional impressive throws but makes three to four horrible decisions per game—interceptions and fumbles—that are tanking the team. On throws under 2.5 seconds he's top-10 in success rate, but holding the ball three seconds causes performance to deteriorate significantly; the issues are mental rather than physical.

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NegativeProjection44:06

Drake Maye's performance has declined significantly from last season's elite tight-window and downfield success rates, which were expected to regress but have fallen further than anticipated. Mina Kimes attributes this partly to psychological factors—Maye is losing confidence and spiraling after playing worse than his rookie season, similar to Justin Herbert's struggles with the Chargers. The mental component appears more significant than the shoulder injury narrative circulating.

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NegativeInjury44:36

Shoulder injury concerns surrounding Drake Maye appear to be a red herring. Mina Kimes examined film and does not see clear evidence of arm impact from the shoulder injury, disagreeing with observers who claim his arm looks different on tape. While beat reporters may have additional information, the shoulder injury does not appear to be the primary driver of his performance decline.

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NegativeRole46:54

Drake Maye's offensive scheme has been disrupted by AJ Brown's injury. The Patriots planned to run a different offensive system with Brown in the building, but after his injury they are dusting off 2025 game plans that don't align with current personnel. Additionally, offensive coordinator McDaniels is struggling to adapt play-calling to modern coverage tendencies (particularly cover six), which limits weak-side options for Maye.

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Elijah Moore

NegativeRole0:16

Elijah Moore was out there to start the game for the Eagles offense but was part of a rotating cast of receivers as the Eagles tried to figure out their offensive identity under Sean Mannion.

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Gabe Nabers

NegativeRole33:30

Mina Kimes characterizes Gabe Nabers as a player who 'turns negative plays into positive plays' rather than a traditional third-level runner; this contrasts with Mike Washington's role in generating explosive backfield opportunities in the Raiders' Kubiak-influenced running game.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeProjection0:13

Jalen Hurts had an erratic performance in the Eagles' loss to the Bears, with inconsistent decision-making and ball security issues. He threw an interception that should have been two, both times throwing at the dropper (once to Edwards). He struggled with simulated pressures and not seeing backers as they drop out—an issue he has struggled with at times in his career. In the second half, he showed no interest in being aggressive, failing to hit Devante Smith on one-on-one opportunities downfield despite having receivers better than their corners. He checked down on a third-and-12 with hand coverage instead of attacking downfield.

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NegativeRole18:07

Mina Kimes notes Hurts has struggled with simulated pressures throughout his career, missing open receivers like Makai Lemon on multiple plays in the Eagles-Bears game; this is a recurring issue, not new, where he fails to see backers dropping out of coverage.

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Jalen Nailor

NegativeRole33:10

Mina Kimes identifies Jalen Naylor as part of the Raiders' secondary receiving depth that will be tested as defenses focus on Brock Bowers; depth concerns here could limit the Raiders' offensive ceiling.

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Jared Wayne

NegativeRole59:37

Jared Wayne is receiving force-fed targets in the Texans' 11 personnel heavy scheme despite not winning contested situations; he had a drop over the middle of the field on a play action pass in the recent game, exemplifying the receiver group's inability to execute when targeted.

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Kalif Raymond

PositiveBreakout0:05

Khalif Raymond had a breakout performance in the Bears' upset win, with Mina Kimes explicitly calling him a 'breakout, man.' He was heavily involved in the Bears' motion-heavy attack, with his first completion coming on a fast motion where he ran into a stack or bunch and became the new number one receiver. He later scored a touchdown on a play where the Eagles got out of zone coverages and went into man coverage, with Wollin zoning off and leaving nobody running with Raymond.

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Kirk Cousins

PositiveProjection31:52

Mina Kimes praises Kirk Cousins for playing with unexpected aggressiveness and downfield throwing ability in the Raiders win; he made impressive throws under pressure and showed physical toolkit improvements from his 2025 return after Penix injury, though Kimes still sees serious limitations in his game.

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Luther Burden

PositiveUsage0:03

Luther Burden was a key target for Case Keenum in the Bears' upset win, catching a fadeaway crosshair throw with Jonathan Greenard in coverage—a genuinely difficult throw that showcased Keenum's precision. Burden was also involved in motion-heavy plays that stressed the Eagles' coverage, with one fast-motion completion where he ran into a stack or bunch and became the new number one receiver, stressing the Eagles' match rules and bunch rules.

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Makai Lemon

NegativeUsage22:32

Mina Kimes identifies Makai Lemon as a player the Eagles must find better ways to use beyond early-season deployment; he was open on multiple plays but Hurts did not see him, confirming draft concerns about quarterback-receiver fit; Kimes suggests Lemon should be a good screen and swing player but the Eagles lack boundary blockers to execute those concepts effectively.

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Michael Carter

NegativeRole0:07

Michael Carter, the nickel who converted to safety, was part of the Eagles' safety confusion in the Bears game. He didn't know he was trying to pass off a route from Andrew McCubo, leaving space in the middle of the field. He was being swapped in and out with Marcus Epps, creating miscommunication issues.

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Mike Washington Jr.

PositiveRole33:25

Mina Kimes highlights Mike Washington's role in generating explosive touchdown runs for the Raiders; unlike Gabe Nabers who turns negative plays into positive ones, Washington provides big-play opportunity in the backfield, a key element of Kubiak's running game philosophy from his Seahawks tenure. Kimes was shocked by Washington's ability to squeeze out of a dead-to-rights power run and convert it into an explosive play with help from skill-player blocks downfield.

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Nico Collins

NegativeInjury59:37

Nico Collins' absence is a significant constraint on the Texans offense; losing him during the week compounds the team's receiving weapons problem alongside the earlier loss of Higgins before the season, forcing the offense to rely on lower-tier pass catchers like Jared Wayne and Xavier Hutchinson who do not win contested situations.

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Tre Tucker

NegativeRole33:10

Mina Kimes notes that as defenses adjust to Brock Bowers, the Raiders will need to force the football to other players, making Trey Tucker part of the depth conversation alongside Jalen Naylor and Jack Bash; this depth concern is a potential limitation for the Raiders offense.

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Xavier Hutchinson

NegativeRole59:37

Xavier Hutchinson is getting opportunities in the Texans' 11 personnel scheme, but the receiver group as a whole is not winning contested situations; the Texans expected to attack the Colts' linebackers with tight ends after the Chiefs obliterated them, but instead continued force-feeding receivers like Hutchinson who cannot execute.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Welcome back to The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny.
0:02Monday Night Football Recap Edition. Also picking winners and woofs from the weekend.
0:06Raiders fans, your time has finally arrived. Talk about them.
0:09Patriots fans, try to discuss what was wrong. Some other teams will be mentioned.
0:12But first we have to start with last night's upset.
0:15Got back from Chicago at 9pm. My Eagles fan mother-in-law was sitting on the couch.
0:19I didn't tell you this, Ben. She's here for my son's birthday.
0:22Her birthday wearing her eagles sweater. The facial expression when I walked in the door.
0:26At two, Vic Fangio. I, we, Ben and I had an exchange because I posted right after the game.
0:32I'm so mad at myself for not seeing this upset coming.
0:35Sicko play caller with a backup quarterback. It truly is the formula.
0:38And, but Ben, you saw it coming. Before we dive in, I want to ask, what was the number one reason why
0:44you thought the Bears would win this game before we talk about why they actually won?
0:48Because Ben with a very different stylistic quarterback meant that the offense was going to be very different.
0:53And that was going to be pretty unscouted. It was going to kind of take the Eagles off by a drop.
0:59And then typically when you see backup quarterback in, in the first couple of weeks that the backups in, the defense gives you really impassioned effort, right?
1:06There's a big conversation in the room that week of like, you know, we're going to have to do special stuff.
1:11So you tend to see when backups play their first or their second game, kind of in a mid season stretch, the
1:17defense tends to have, have above average performances. And that's what you got here.
1:21Eagles bears, right? Keenum and the quick passing game very clearly got the drop on the Eagles early.
1:26And then as they started, you know, trying to fire and blitz Keenum up a little bit more because they couldn't get him down.
1:32He's getting the ball out so fast. They, they basically challenged him and they said, we're going to, you know, load the lineup.
1:39We're going to stop the run. We're going to pressure you.
1:42We're going to make you make throws. Case Keenum and Case Keenum said, well, watch this.
1:46I'm watching some Caleb Williams film on, he made the throws he needed to make.
1:50And so, yeah, it was it. I didn't think 27 to seven.
1:53I'll tell you that. But I thought they were a pretty good shot in this one.
1:58Well, let's talk about the offense first versus the Eagles defense, which in some ways was the more, I think, disappointing side
2:04for me, if you're an Eagles fan, because the Eagles offense, we know is inconsistent.
2:08We know that they have struggled for like, there's, they have actually been up and down through the first few weeks.
2:13They've gotten bailed out by Hertz and some third downs, but this Eagles defense was supposed to be a top five defense in the NFL.
2:20And this was, I thought humiliating is a little strong, but this was a brutal performance for them.
2:25Now, a lot of that had to do with what was going on the other side of the ball for sure.
2:30Ben Johnson, I want to talk about what he did and how he depanced Vic Fangio's defense.
2:35But I do want to mention like some of these throws, it wasn't just Case Keenum sitting in a clean pocket, throwing to wide open receivers all day.
2:43Like I'm looking back on some of my notes and cause I was watching it on delay on the plane on tape and run.
2:49It was an extremely fun texting experience, by the way, because you'd be like, this was awful.
2:54I'd be like, there's about to be three more awful things you haven't even seen yet.
2:58Yeah. You, I texted you before the Hertz interception and you were like, just wait, just wait.
3:03Um, I wrote down, am I hallucinating or did Case Keenum just hit a fadeaway crosshair to Luther Burden with Jonathan Grenard in his back?
3:09Like, did that happen? Did I just, did I look at the play and I'm like, this can't be real.
3:15I'm like, this isn't, uh, it happened. He was actually excellent under pressure.
3:18He was, uh, throwing like, it wasn't again, I just want to mention and praise Case Keenum for this game because he was phenomenal.
3:25Like this is, this wasn't just easy mode all game long.
3:28And there were things that were an easy mode, but like this, he hit some genuinely difficult throws in this game.
3:33And, uh, Johnson said after the game that the thing about Case is that you've been playing 15 years in the league.
3:39He just knows where everybody is supposed to be pre-snap, out of the snap, post-snap.
3:43And so just, he got, he got to his answers.
3:46So, so, so quickly against pressure looks when it was first read relative to coverage.
3:50They had the dig through to Roman Dunze where, where Troy Aikman said like this throw should not be opening against this coverage, right?
3:56It's quarters. Andrew McCuba, the quarter safety just has his hips a little bit too far open to the three receiver side.
4:02It's a little bit too deep and, and Keenum with zero hesitation with zero fat, you know, you know, third string quarterback
4:08out there for the first time in almost three seasons just says, all right, like there's a, a, a, a whisker of
4:14a window here and rips it right. Like no pat, nothing just balls out and it barely beats Zach Vaughn, barely beats
4:20Rick Bolin or excuse me, Queenie Mitchell barely beats McCuba.
4:23It's just, he trusted it. He saw it and he ripped it.
4:26Uh, and then the other thing you have in terms of the, like you said talking about some of these, like, uh,
4:32not so much outer structure throws, but under pressure throws.
4:35Bears pass catchers did a lot of good work for him in this game.
4:39Roma doing a absurd drop in the end zone, not withstanding.
4:42You had guys getting fastened to their routes, getting their head around, you know, you're, I'm always, when I watched the bear,
4:47so impressed by the details on the coaching. These receivers clearly understood balls going to be on you, get into your breaks,
4:53get your head around as secure the football, get down.
4:56They were on their P's and Q's in this one.
4:59Yeah. I, I, Khalifa Raymond. Sure. All right, man.
5:01Uh, Khalifa Raymond breakout, man. It was great. Uh, so that was the kind of out of non Ben Johns.
5:07Just, I just want to take a moment to acknowledge that.
5:10Like you said, case Keenum was playing, like throwing the ball so confidently, um, with anticipation.
5:14Uh, the Eagles defense, we got to take a minute to talk about.
5:17Uh, so there were some issues that were just the players not being as good as they were in the past, particularly the safeties, uh, were really struggling.
5:25They looked slow to the ball on certain circumstances, both in the run and the pass.
5:29Uh, the backers got pretty undressed in this one.
5:32It was a rough one for the second level of this defense, but the thing that shocked me the most, and I
5:38want to hear your thoughts on this. I could not believe how, how poorly they handled motion in this game.
5:43Uh, and I texted you, I think it was the Degene.
5:46Wollin busted coverage where Degene's playing man and Wollin staying in his zone after, um, I forget who comes across.
5:51It's a burden comes in motion. Raymond's the guy's.
5:54Yeah. Uh, so with motion in this game, case Keenum averaged 12 yards, a pass without, it was three.
5:59And a lot of that was because of miscommunications on the backend, going back and watching them on film.
6:04Like it honestly, when I think about this Vic Fangio coach defense, I think about them being excellent and handling motion and
6:10communicating on the backend and passing things off. And in this game, they looked like a completely different pass defense.
6:15So tell me what you saw, because that was jarring to me watching the Eagles.
6:19Yeah. A worst game for a Vic secondary that I can remember in Philadelphia in terms of the operation, right?
6:25In terms of the X's and O's on the field.
6:27Uh, the, the first Khalif Raymond completion was a fast motion where they, they're snapping the ball with the receiver running at the snap.
6:34And he's running like into a stack or into a bunch.
6:37He's becoming the new number one receiver. The reason why this is significant is because it stresses your match rules and your
6:43bunch rules, your stack rules, all those match coverages Fangio wants to run or changing who's releasing where right at the snaps.
6:49You really have to communicate. Well, there were multiple disagreements between Degene and Rick Wollin.
6:53I thought in this game, there was a, uh, Luther burden, wide open cross in the middle of the field where both
6:59Degene and Zach bond took a running back to the flat, left the middle of the field wide open.
7:04Andrew McCubo is trying to pass off routes to Michael Carter.
7:07Who's the nickel who converted to safety, who didn't know he was trying to pass off the route.
7:12So then there's, there's space in the middle of the field there.
7:15There were swapping Marcus Epps and Carter in and Alex.
7:18They didn't know who they wanted on the field at safety.
7:21The touchdown, like you said, they got out of zone coverages because they couldn't, they're kept busting.
7:25They get into man, uh, man coverage or just chase everybody around the field and Wollin zones off on that play.
7:31And then all of a sudden now you've got nobody running with Kalief Raymond.
7:35And so I had the calls wrong and couldn't get figured stuff figured out on the field when players are moving in
7:41motion and Ben just kept hammering them with it.
7:43Right. Every single time it looked a little bit different.
7:46Now it's at a four by one. Now it's a different player is in motion.
7:50Now the motion man's into a different route and it's, it's the iterative nature of it.
7:54It's the way that there's always something on the next play that separates Ben Johnson.
7:58So clearly like I was struck in this game about how like Ben Johnson is just so clearly next to Sean and next to Kyle.
8:05Right. It is. And we've been, we've been saying this for a while, but it's important to be very clear about it
8:11because Liam Cohen has a good three weeks and Shane Steichen has a good two weeks and Clint Kubiak's killing it.
8:16And we want to elevate those guys up there.
8:19There is nobody who, from the moment he picked up the headset has so consistently stayed at the level of Sean and
8:25Kyle, the true upper echelon than Ben Johnson. It's a trio at the top unimpeachable.
8:29On the flip side of that. Were you not also thinking, man, Brian Flores, I know that within a rain storm, I know it was a rain storm.
8:36So that is important context, but Flores versus Fangio on the other hand, there's, there's now a gap there.
8:42Right. Cause I, at some point I need to just talk about Brian Flores and like how he's completely.
8:47Like some of the things the bears defense did in this game actually reminded me a little bit, we'll get to that side of the ball, but yeah.
8:54Anyways. Yeah. It was yeah. Ben Johnson completely debanced him.
8:57I thought, um, and it's worth noting the 2025 game, they use all that motion to kill him in the running game run game.
9:03If I told you before this game, that was the bear stat line on the ground.
9:08It was fine. It was just unremarkable. Right. Like, you know, it was like a decent success.
9:12Yeah. Deandre Swift 20 for 84 common guy, 10 for 31 and about 40 of those Swift yards were late in the game.
9:18So if I told you that like, okay, it's case game quarterback, here's the running stat line.
9:23You would imagine, oh, the Eagles defense played really well and shut them down, but it was the past game.
9:28And this safety group duo group, whatever is the problem.
9:31Uh, well in I it's, it's tough because I actually, he was really good the first two weeks of the season, but this was kind of a nightmare.
9:39You know, Seahawks fans at home. Every time there's a penalty pointing at the screen game, uh, Quinnian Mitchell innocent.
9:44No, actually not. No, because catch the football Quinnian catch it to pass breakups.
9:48You're going to house both of them Quinnian. But I just got a joke machine.
9:52I honestly thought the Eagles defensive line was pretty good in this game.
9:55It just, there was a couple of plays where they got pushed around on the ground, but for the most part, this
10:01was all about the linebackers and the secondary and miscommunication.
10:04And, um, you know, the bears pass catchers, like I'm glad you mentioned that they made a lot of good individual plays
10:10as well, because yeah, you did a great piece before the season on the bears offense and how it was put together
10:16and how explosive it aimed to be. And one of the things I remember you mentioned to the piece was the attention
10:22to detail on the part of all the skill players and how much it matters to pull off this symphony of motion and sequencing play calling.
10:29And you just don't see guys out of position when you watch this offense, you just don't like they're always in the right position.
10:35They're all, yeah, it's just new quarterback, new cadence.
10:38And not only were they flawless operationally, no pre-snap penalties, but, and, and they were very lucky.
10:42This game is on Monday night football because Monday night football has always had like the really good mic to catch the quarterback cadence.
10:49Not only were they flawless operationally, they also were dummy cadencing and changing stuff at the line of scrimmage.
10:54And that's like the whole point of case Keenum is like, well, he's going to be so good operationally, but this is a very difficult offense pre-snap.
11:01And the bears were like, it's so like stupid football nerdy of it, but the third and seven case Keenum scramble into
11:07a fourth and two hard count for a first down.
11:10Like that's the play of the game right there.
11:12It's just, it's so cool that they can do that with their third quarterback.
11:16Oh, interesting. Fourth down might come up later when we talk about the other side of the ball.
11:21Uh, yeah, it was, it was, uh, one to remember for the bears offense, for Ben Johnson, for that group of skilled players.
11:27Yeah. As far as the, we all gotta stop pissing off Ben Johnson.
11:31The whole, like, he's never had his backup quarterback thing.
11:33Like again, the whole, the moment that started, I was like, yeah, he's gonna walk out.
11:38Did I just regret, you know, he relished it too.
11:40Yeah. They had like five completions of the first drive, right?
11:43He clearly wanted to make a point. Kyle Shanahan, Mack Jones, Matt LaFleur, Relique Willis.
11:47These guys get off on it. Um, can this Eagles defense be fixed?
11:51And when I say fixed, I mean like, can they still be elite this season?
11:55I think is where I want to put a pin on this conversation.
11:58Um, I think the pass rush is good enough and we'll get better.
12:02I think the backers will be play better. I think the secondary, some of these communication issues will get sorted.
12:07I am worried about the safety duo. I think that's a real problem for this unit.
12:12Yeah. And I didn't really understand why they wanted to be in the off season.
12:16They were really thin at safety and in a Vic Fangio defense to me, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
12:21I do think that it still can be like a top eight unit because they should be able to get to a
12:27lot more man coverage and a lot more simple options with Wolin, with Quinny Mitchell and with Dejean, who Dejean has had
12:33a very weird start to the season. He's had coverage issues in a game where he got banged up.
12:38He had communication issues in this game. So I don't know what's going on with him, but the bulk of what we've
12:44seen from Dejean over the course of his career with those three players and then with John Grenard into the pass rush.
12:50Yes, you should be able to be like a top eight group.
12:53This is a very inconsistent team unit right now.
12:56And that's the thing. I think the Eagles have a lot of name recognition on defense and they've had some really splashy performances.
13:02But even over last season, there's games in the stretches where Jalen Carter vanishes.
13:06Zach Bond, big money, huge breakout, totally understandable. Love the contract.
13:09Love the player. There are games where he is just kind of guessing and making aggressive coverage reads and they attack him in the middle of the field.
13:16John Campbell, nice splashes, a lot of errors. And so this big peaks, low valleys right now with Philadelphia.
13:21Coaching's got to solve that problem over the course of the season.
13:25All right. Eagles offense. So this was in some ways less surprising for the reasons we discussed, which is this Eagles offense
13:31has not been great the first two weeks. They've had great moments.
13:34They had a great first half in this game.
13:36Less people forget. Like I was looking back at my notes from the first half and they did so many good things.
13:42They were running the football well in the first half bed.
13:45Like I'm looking, I'm like, Ooh, great run to the left side.
13:48Ooh, great block by my lotto. Ooh, the tight ends are getting black stock.
13:52But then in the second half, it was like every bad thing you've seen about the Eagles defense over the last several
13:58years, quite frankly, in terms of inability to run interior pressure hurts, not seeing the middle of field hurts, not seeing droppers.
14:04It's just like, it felt like a rerun of sorts bears fans have been, uh, saying I should apologize to the defense.
14:10They're not as bad as I said they would be.
14:13And honestly, I will apologize. I think they are not as bad.
14:16I do not. I still do not think this is a good defense.
14:19Sorry. Just because, you know, you had pitched a great half.
14:22Some of that had to do with, I thought Dennis Allen put together a really good game plan, which we'll talk about.
14:28But, um, you like, I still think there are some issues.
14:31I, you got some decent performances from individual players.
14:34Dylan Thiemann, by the way, hit right. Like that, he looks great.
14:37Uh, but I, I, I did feel this was more about Eagles offense, just general, uh, inadequacy, incompetence.
14:42And it just sucks. Cause it's a lot of the same stuff we've seen.
14:46Like what's new. Like, tell me, tell me like, I did, am I missing something about this Eagles offense in the second half?
14:52Like, was there something that surprised you or did you feel the same way I did?
14:56Which is like, oh, this is all the same stuff we've seen now for years.
15:00The, uh, the bears defense thing is funny. Cause they may, they may clear the bar for bears fans of like, I
15:06can go demand an apology for my favorite NFL podcaster.
15:09Do they clear the bar of like, I will feel good in the playoffs.
15:13Going to go. Yeah, exactly. I'm not, I think that's a pretty big chasm between those two there.
15:17And I'm not sure we're up to the highest watch Bryce young this week against Cleveland.
15:22Uh, okay. Yeah. So Gino Smith lasers. All right.
15:24Eagles offense. The Sean Mannion right now has a smattering of plays that have worked for him in green bay.
15:30And he is trying to figure out identity wise, how to sequence all these together where his bread is buttered.
15:35Okay. Where are, you know, Devante Smith, easy buttons.
15:37How do we get Makai lemon involved as our first round pick at wide receiver?
15:41What is not greens, please. I never want to see another Makai lemon screen for the rest of my life.
15:47All right. The Eagles have, the Eagles have never, the Eagles have no blockers on the field at wide receiver and tight end.
15:53Right. Cause it's Zach hurts. His first came back.
15:55So David Wicks is Devante Smith who I love to death.
15:58Devante Smith. He's amazing. He tries. He's a hundred and 70 pounds.
16:02Some of the early runs in the game. He was really blacking his little tush off.
16:06They, they, Darius Cooper took like two snaps on offense in this game.
16:09Darius Cooper is their only receiver with size. Made a big play against the Titans.
16:13I don't know why they want to get him out there.
16:16They had like Elijah Moore out there to start the game, whatever.
16:20So they, Mania is still very much a guy who's off of a tree that had good stuff.
16:25And he's trying to figure out what to do now in like, you know, your, you know, location to team to like, what do I bring over?
16:32What do I graph? How do I add stuff?
16:34So the Mania experience is still very herky jerky, like against the Titans.
16:38Jalen was seeing middle of the field. Well was seeing crossing patterns.
16:41Well was throwing it relatively on time in this game.
16:44Just like for a drive, like that end of the first half drive, absolutely was seeing it.
16:48And then we'd walk out the next drive and just not see it.
16:52And so it is extremely erratic at this point.
16:54You can survive erraticism. If you can rely on the running game, stay ahead of the sticks.
16:59If you can scramble, if you can kind of, you know, just link together some first out first downs and the Eagles
17:05just again, going back to last year, they just get to three and out so quickly because they get a negative on
17:11an early, on an early run because they bust something on the interior.
17:14The guard center guard play right now in Philadelphia is not good in the running game.
17:18And so they, they get behind the sticks and then Jalen just for, for whatever the conversation was in 2024, where they
17:24were like, dude, stop throwing picks up fumbling the football.
17:27He just has these games where he just has no interest in being aggressive whatsoever to hit the Devante Smith throw.
17:33They hit on Jalen Johnson's head down the right sideline.
17:35And then to never get back to it again.
17:38It's just like pull your hair out. Frustrating. Anytime you have Devante one-on-one, the ball should be hung up.
17:43Same way you did with AJ Brown. They won't do it.
17:46Receivers are better than their corners. I thought this would be way more downfield.
17:50There was like a third and 12 where, um, this was before the game got out of hand.
17:55It was like early in the second half. It was like, like, hand coverage or something.
17:59And he just like checks it down. I was just so, um, yeah, it's the interceptions.
18:03I mentioned this earlier, but he should, I said, sorry, it's just one.
18:07It should have been two. Both times he just threw it at the dropper.
18:10Once was, uh, I forgot who was it Edwards.
18:13Both times. And it was like Edwards plays the hot to the, but yeah, it's, these are, that's something that Hertz has
18:19struggled with at times in his career with simulated pressures.
18:22This is not new in terms of like, just not seeing the backer as they drop out.
18:26Um, the, the, the dissolution of the run game.
18:29I want to ask you a question because Dennis Allen's did something in this game that, um, it's funny.
18:34I think we're seeing more and more Dan and I were talking about this yesterday, vis-a-vis the Rams, just blitzing the under center play action.
18:40Um, which is something I think we're seeing more and more throughout the, the, actually stats brought back this up, uh, blitz
18:46rates versus under center dropbacks are significantly up. Even if you take out the floor snaps.
18:51Um, so I guess I want to talk about like the Eagles in terms of like the lack of adjustments to that
18:57and what you would do in the run game when it's, when the interior is getting blown up the way it was in the second half.
19:04I want to be able to toss the ball into the boundary.
19:07I thought, I thought one of the, one of the best things about the 49ers running game over the last couple of years.
19:13And you saw, I think the Steelers against the Bengals was like eye popping this past week.
19:18They said, all right, we do not want to deal with Dexter Lawrence or if the Steelers specifically for the 49ers is
19:24they don't want to deal with their guards trying to move guys off the line of scrimmage.
19:28And so they have a really varied way to get the ball to the boundary fast in the running game.
19:34Right. Whereas, okay, we're going to now make the, the point of war, right.
19:37Make the engagement, not in the center, but on the flank.
19:40And that's what we're going to be able to use our blocking wide receivers and our, our big body tight ends to
19:46solve our problems for us, which is why the Eagles are deficient.
19:49They don't have those players, right? This is the thing I was like, we talked about this with the Chiefs and their running game under center.
19:56But what happens when she rice eats a block and Travis Kelsey needs a block and through three weeks, they've really risen to the occasion.
20:03But if you are going to be an under center running team, you know, what do you need to have in terms
20:09of tools in your toolkit to solve the problems that will be presented to you?
20:13One of the number one things you need is, uh, you know, office alignment, you can get on the hoof guys who
20:19can run out there and who can tag players in space.
20:22And then tight ends and receivers who are willing to get their nose dirty.
20:26Right. Go watch, watch any bears film. Right. They had, they had on the, they had on the first drive where they
20:32got the pin pole, Roma dunes, a pinning down defensive end.
20:35They got darn all right. And Jonah Jackson on the run.
20:38And right now, darn all right on, on the run.
20:40It's like fricking like Superman on, on, in flight.
20:43Like he's unbelievable in space. And so you need to have those constraint plays where you're getting the ball into the boundary in the shotgun running game, right?
20:50It becomes RPO stuff and it becomes bubble screen stuff.
20:53That's how you solve that problem. But we don't want to be in a shot in an under center world.
20:58Excuse me. One step dropping and throwing alert smokes to wide receivers.
21:02One-on-one against corners. That's college nonsense, right? NFL. We should be able to get the ball to the boundary with the back.
21:08But the Rams also are good at making that adjustment.
21:10And it didn't really work in the Broncos game, which was a game where, I mean, Vance was just blitzing every single under center drop back.
21:17Yeah. Um, and which again is very, something to put a pin in for the Rams offense because their run game is so good.
21:24You at some point just have to pray for negative plays and they were able to get them against them and you
21:30give up plays and you just kind of live or die by that.
21:33But, uh, it is just something I think we're going to see more of against these good under center offenses.
21:39Um, the solution, the solution, the past game is to do a lot of what the Rams have done.
21:44You saw the bears do in this game, which is under center drop back, no play action.
21:48Cause now the quarterback's head stays up. So I can see it.
21:52And now the back doesn't have to go play fake.
21:54And so the back and just go get to the backer and the blitz right away.
21:59And you can survive that way. It's not great, but you can survive that way.
22:03Um, it's, I think if like you're an Eagles fan, there's, there's still hope that this offense will be better.
22:08I think I really do, um, believe that, but there's like, okay, let's, let's do a priority of like the things that they've got to figure it out.
22:16So one of the things we talked about is the run game.
22:19And if the interior of the offensive line starts getting their butt kicked or there's there get, you're getting blitz through the a gap.
22:25Can Sean Mannion come up with counters? We were just discussing just so that it's not so dependent on the past cat, particularly on early downs.
22:32Can this offense stay on time? Can you get the defensive looks you want yada, yada, yada, they gotta figure out a
22:38better way to use Makai lemon than what we've seen.
22:41And I know he was open by the way.
22:43So I, I don't want to put this on Mannion.
22:46There were a couple of plays where Hertz just didn't see him, which was of course what everybody feared with the draft
22:52pick and there's narratives and all of that. But like Ben is it, do you like, do you feel there's other ways
22:58that Makai Levin could be used other than what we've seen early in the season?
23:02Yeah. Yeah. Quarterbacks got to start ripping the football in Philly and, and it's annoying because in Tennessee on third down, he
23:08had like nine conversions in week two. He was ripping it when he had to rip it on third down.
23:13And Jalen got very, you know, no turnover. Just keep this offense on the track pilled in 2024 and 2025 elite running game, elite defense.
23:20Just do not turn the ball over and we will win games in this offense.
23:24Yeah. Got to rip the football. Got to be able to throw between layers of the field.
23:29Got to be able to throw between zone defenders.
23:31Got to throw on time to maximize yards after the catch.
23:34Got to be able to make aggressive throws. Got to be able to risk some more turnovers, right?
23:39There's this sort of an offense, which is inherently a lot more vertical, a lot more crossing patterns.
23:44Vertical is a, is a tricky word because the Eagles would throw all those go balls.
23:48I'm talking about in the middle of the field.
23:51There's a lot more three level stretch. You are just not going to get juice for your squeeze on lemon on Devante Smith.
23:57If you are not more aggressively throwing the football.
23:59And so I think Jalen wants to get there, but I do think that, you know, Sirianni and Mannion have to kind
24:05of drag him into the water and let him know, like, you know, it's not going to be a disaster when you go there.
24:12So that's going to help get lemon more involved from a design to touch perspective.
24:16I mean, he should be a good screen and swing player.
24:19It's just, I, the Eagles do not have the resources for them.
24:22It's because they don't have the blockers for it.
24:24That's my big, my biggest hangup with this team is that everything on the boundary dies because they, they don't have physicality at those positions.
24:31Um, I do want to, so I, I know I was, I mentioned Dylan Thienemann, TJ Edwards, obviously had the super heads up play.
24:37You, I'm sure you've seen the clip of him, but yeah, leaning in, um, I do think this bears front maybe is, looks better than I feared.
24:45I think coming into the season, the pass rush, I think Austin Booker's like legit, a guy.
24:49I think the defensive tackles have been playing a bit better than I thought.
24:53I think the backend is still extremely vulnerable and good passing attacks.
24:56So we take advantage of that, but you know, shout out to Dennis Allen's, you had a great game plan in the second half.
25:03Um, I think you're trying to think of like with the bears defense, like, do you feel different from them now than
25:09you did at the beginning of the season in any way?
25:12So I think that what I, when a Dennis Allen defense works is always got like four absolute just to hogs up
25:18front because he wants to be easy. He's a, you know, Oh, two highlight box guy, you know, play from split field,
25:24but he's not what much one for like, and here are my cool simulated pressure solutions.
25:28Like they do that stuff. But in general, he's like, I want my poor defensive lineman to be able to win point of attack.
25:34Right. And then we'll come fill it behind. We got a good look in this game at what they wanted to be
25:40able to get to last year in terms of on pressure downs, being able to kick day out a dang boat inside.
25:46And then have Austin Booker Montez on the outside.
25:49I think that's a good like package for them, right.
25:51To go ahead and generate disruption. I think the rookie corner Malik Muhammad, who just started straight over Tariq Stevenson in this game seems a little banged up.
25:59Um, but I think that they've found a nice young player in him.
26:02Yeah. Like there are enough, like, you know, I think polls has invested a ton in this defense and while he has
26:08largely missed more than he's hit, you still have, you know, like Grady Jarrett is still a good player.
26:13Neville Gallimore can still do stuff. Right. And so you have a decently high enough floor.
26:18There is this, the story to me, this is more Eagles offense.
26:21Yeah. I didn't see. I'm sorry, but it is.
26:23Yeah. I think Allen has also kind of done like, look, he had, he gets hit with the Kobe Bryant injury before
26:29the season kind of Gordon's supposed to be available.
26:32He's not, I do like the fact that he's experimented with different group players instead of just sticking to like Tyreek.
26:37Stevenson has been really bad. Like, um, you know, I think like Elijah Hicks is pretty good in this game, right?
26:43Like, you know, like Cam Lewis is playing, like he's trying different things on the back end to fix it.
26:48I just think they're going to be more tested.
26:51Honestly, I'll just say it. The Jets offense is better than the Eagles offense and you got them next week.
26:56No breeze hall that, you know, now, now I don't know how, how deep that Jets offense is going to be, but
27:02boy, well, Kenyan Sadiq, little six catches for one of those.
27:05That laser that Gino threw him, that. It was a seam touchdown to Kenyan Sadiq.
27:09I felt something in the core of my Gino.
27:12You see the debate to Wilson. He's, you know, famous last words.
27:15Uh, anyways, great win for the Bears. Legit. Um, Ben Johnson.
27:18You're a God. It's an extremely well coached football team.
27:21They can win any game with any personnel at any time.
27:24Love watching them. Take a break. Come back and let's pick our winners and wuffs.
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28:03New episodes every week. All right. We're back. All right, Raiders fans.
28:06It's fine. I said last week, I said, if you beat the Saints, I will.
28:10I promised you I would spend more time talking about the three and oh, speaking of well-coached teams, by the way.
28:16That's the number one thing that jumps out to me when I watch the Las Vegas Raiders is just how well-coached they are.
28:22So, watching this game is an interesting one. I thought the defense was fine.
28:26They made some plays. Koontz. Big moments. Malcolm Koontz down the end.
28:29Always been a Malcolm Koontz guy. He had one year.
28:31It was awesome. Then he got hurt. Then he came back.
28:34And they've just been signing him on one-year deals ever since being like, get back, get back, get back.
28:40And he looked nice. I was just looking at my defensive notes.
28:43Man, he was cooking. Who was playing in for Banks?
28:46Asim Richards. Yeah. He got his butt kicked by Koontz.
28:48So, yeah, he did some nice things. Hezekiah Mass is still kind of like a main character.
28:53I thought the safeties were pretty rough in this one.
28:55But let's be real. It's about the offense. And it's about Brock Bowers.
28:59And that's the focal point here. What did Clint Kubiak call him?
29:02Like a football robot sent from heaven? Did I?
29:05I might be paraphrasing. I think just watching him in this game cook.
29:08Corners. Just want to emphasize that. Corners. Like they're putting him on the backside.
29:12On the back shoulder where he beats McKinstry. They're going four strong.
29:15Isolating. Like if Brock... It's like prime Kelsey. If he is isolated, Kirk Cousins correctly has infinite trust that he will come down with the football.
29:22His footwork at the line... I'm just looking at the notes I took watching him.
29:26First of all, he's mostly aligned wider in the slot.
29:29He's basically a giant receiver for them. This is a team that lives in...
29:33I think they probably use 11 personnel at the lowest rate in the league.
29:36So they had 81% multi-tight end sets in this game.
29:39It's the highest of any team in any game this year.
29:42Fifth highest in the last three years. But if you watch it, it's not 12 personnel formations.
29:47It's alignment personnel formations. He's like a big receiver.
29:49I mean... Yeah. Just looking at my notes though.
29:52Yes. Like so... Beating corners. Insane footwork at the line of scrimmage.
29:55His routes are beautiful. His feel for zone is exceptional.
29:58His body control is outrageous. The one where... Sanker has good coverage him on the corner.
30:02It's like a flood concept to the left. Oh my gosh.
30:05The third and 14. The third and 14. It's so good.
30:08His hands. I mean, he really is a football robot sent from heaven.
30:11That might not even be what he said, but it's correct.
30:14Yes. It is a football robot from heaven. I found it.
30:17I just don't think you can be over the top talking about this guy right now, Ben.
30:22Like I'm just... Crazy tape. That's exactly what it is.
30:24It's every time I talk about Brock Bowers, I'm like, all right, now remain calm.
30:29And within like 15 seconds, I just... It's the four by one where he's isolated on Kool-Aid McKinstry.
30:33He goes to give him the inside move to relocate McKinstry and it doesn't work.
30:37McKinstry has upfield leverage on him. It's chalked. It's a great coverage by McKinstry.
30:41Bowers explodes and gets to McKinstry's upfield shoulder. The tight end gets fast enough on top of the corner to threaten him
30:47vertically, such as to open the space for the back shoulder.
30:50The ball is short by multiple yards because Kirk, who hasn't thrown a lot to Brock, underestimated how fast the 240-pound tight end was.
30:57And Brock goes and picks it up off his knees for a first down.
31:00I have 10,000 good stats. Here's my favorite one.
31:03Bowers had 13 targets from slot or wide alignments in this game.
31:06It is the most such target a tight end has seen in the past three seasons.
31:10Out wide, he had eight targets. The most out wide targets the tight end has had since the 2016 season, which is
31:16as far back as we have data. He had six catches when he was out wide.
31:21Kelsey never got there. Yeah. It's tied with Kelsey.
31:23So games, games with six plus targets out wide.
31:25Kelsey over the last decade has 10. Bowers already has two.
31:28Five plus receptions out wide. Kelsey over the last decade has five.
31:32Bowers already has two. This is the first guy to actually be the next Kelsey.
31:36Yeah. This is the real deal. I can't stress this enough.
31:39The corners were not bad. They played great. If you want them, go.
31:42Like they were legit. Like there was corners, which is already like crazy because he's a tight end.
31:47Like there were many plays where they were in good position and it just did not matter.
31:52He is inevitable. I want to give a little love to Kirk cousins though, cause he was kind of slinging it and
31:58there were some, there was, I'm just saying, I didn't know he still had in his bag.
32:02The one where he's like rolling right and finds Tucker where he extends.
32:06I was like, what? I didn't know you could still do that.
32:09Kirk cousins. He is playing with a level of aggressiveness that I wasn't sure he would play with in terms of throwing downfield.
32:15The other thing I mentioned is the Raiders offensive line.
32:18That was my big concern coming into the season.
32:20They look great. They looked like a pass protection.
32:23Speaking of, uh, they look legit. So yeah, it's a tough, they're a tough matchup.
32:27They're the Raiders offenses are legitimately like, what, what do you think?
32:30Like, what kind of team is best equipped to handle this?
32:33Oh, I mean, there's no Bauer's solution. So you want to be a team that can zone and a team that can match.
32:39You got to be able to pressure Kirk. I mean, like, yeah, pressure.
32:43Yeah. Because you got to be able to see them on the spot.
32:46Broncos are probably going to want to play man.
32:48And it's certain against Bowers, which I mean, like, dude, I will be seated for the first Broncos Raiders game.
32:54Uh, I mean, chiefs are an interesting one. They're going to send pressure though.
32:58And Kirk will be able to see some of that undress.
33:01Some of that Kirk. It's like, you know, like the, uh, again, as the, you know, Mendoza is going to play guy
33:072024, Kirk right off the Achilles thing where everybody remembers of him dreadful.
33:10Couldn't drive the football 2025. 2025 Kirk, when he got back in there after Penix got hurt, there was a lot more
33:16there in terms of the physical toolkit. I still, I still think there's some, some serious limitations and the, and, and this
33:22game was, was great from the Raiders. Bowers was so good.
33:25Kind of the first dawning teams are going to find ways to force the football to other players.
33:30And then it's going to become a Trey Tucker and a Jalen Naylor and a Jack Bash sort of a conversation.
33:35So that, that the depth there concerns me. Uh, the, the other thing about the Raiders that I think is really important
33:41is the role that Mike Washington has played in some of these explosive touchdown run.
33:45Gentie for as much as I like that player, Gentie is a guy who turns negative plays into positive plays.
33:51He's not really a run away from you. The third level sort of a guy, uh, you know, he is much more joystick, herky jerky.
33:58Washington has given them this big play opportunity in the backfield, which is as we remember from Kubiak, but the Seahawks is
34:03really, really important to have in this running game.
34:06That was a crazy run. It was, uh, power and it was, they got him dead to what rights.
34:11Yeah. And I'm watching that thinking, all right, this is over.
34:14And then he, it's similar to the preseason, like manages to squeeze out of it.
34:18And then they got some nice blocks from the skill players downfield.
34:21But like, I w I was legit like shocked by that run becoming explosive.
34:25Um, yeah, I think, I, I think you just make the game about Kirk Cousins.
34:29So it really is about pressure and you know, the saints.
34:32I, like I said, he made some actually legit, legit impressive throws under pressure.
34:36Uh, but I was surprised to the saints played so much.
34:39They got him to play a ton of single high.
34:41Some of that was through the play action game, which they just completely killed them.
34:46But it should be noted. The saints have been good against play action.
34:49So the saints defense is not bad. Um, and I don't even think they had a bad game in this game.
34:55I think they ran into Kubiak. There was turnover.
34:57Kubiak had 14 chapters of his playbook. He was just waiting to deploy with Brock.
35:01And they finally got there. Use them like JS.
35:04That dude is so cool. The turnover really hurt them.
35:06Obviously they could have won that game. Um, so yeah, it was, that was, uh, it was a quite, it was a good game.
35:13It was, it felt, it felt even. I think that's the thing I'll say.
35:17Like I watched that one. I was like, Ooh, like, you know, it felt even.
35:21Um, okay. You're a winner. Are you, uh, are you ready for me to times guesses the lines?
35:25Raiders chiefs week four chiefs are traveling to Las Vegas playing a four 25.
35:29Traveling to Las Vegas chiefs by two and a half.
35:32Four and a half for the chiefs. Four and a half.
35:35No respect for the three and Oh, three and four.
35:38Both pretty key numbers too. I've looked at that plus four and a half at home.
35:42Clint Kubiak's very clearly fired up. Like, you know, he's got to make once make a little bit of a statement here.
35:48I don't know. Raiders chiefs. I'm at that's game of the week.
35:51Next week to me. That's going to be really fun.
35:54All right. Who's your winner? My winner is the Cleveland Browns, man.
35:57The two and one. I want to hear where you're going in this.
36:00Cause I watched this game last night, trying to anticipate what was going to be your angle.
36:05I have some guesses as to what you're going to say.
36:08Main thing for me is the defensive side of the ball.
36:11I'm impressed by what we've got going on here on the, on the, on the defense line, really at all three levels.
36:17Uh, Mike Rutenberg steps into Jim Schwartz's shoes with no miles Garrett.
36:20Tough ask brother. I mean, as far as new coaches and new jobs about as brutal as it gets through three weeks,
36:26they have done a really nice job retaining the aggressiveness in the front while also becoming more varied in coverage, right?
36:32It's exactly what you want to be doing. Cause Schwartz would be, you know, all right.
36:36All about our front four, all about the rush, but then you can kind of know what we're doing in coverage and beat us on the back end.
36:44Uh, you're two Mason Graham. Good morning. Good afternoon.
36:46Hello, sir. What are you going to hear my call for him after watching this game?
36:50Yeah. Pac-Man. He literally plays like Pac-Man like on every single one of his pressures.
36:54And he had a bunch of this game. He's like gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble.
36:59Like there's just something about his style of play that cracks me up.
37:02He's so like honey badger ish. Very high effort.
37:05Very like, you know, a little bit like erratic and intense.
37:08Yeah. The one, the sack where it's like, he runs a pig stunt and loops around.
37:12It's like, he's like gobbling them. And they've got another, they've got another young player, Mike Hall out of Ohio state, who's
37:18winning on a lot of these penetration plays as well.
37:21Jared versus causing problems. Quincy Williams now was the linebacker.
37:23They brought him from the jets. Quincy like fell apart in the Aaron Glenn defense.
37:27Couldn't handle it comes and rejoins Mike Rutenberg and coached him with the jets.
37:31Much more simplified role. Quincy's playing with his hair on fire through three weeks.
37:35He had a hit on Bryce young in this game where he hit him so fast.
37:39Bryce young like flew three yards. Right. So they are, they're playing with the hair on fire.
37:44They're playing with high, high, high speed and intensity.
37:46But then when this team gets a third down, they are showing split field.
37:50They are rotating against this and against Bryce young specifically, they wanted to get a lot of low hole players, take away
37:56the immediate crosser, take away the slants and they were on their nails in, in terms of the coaching, in terms of route, route recognition in this game.
38:03They're taking away the mesh concept, passing things off.
38:06Ronnie Hickman had a, had a drop into cover one where he took away the first crosser.
38:10And then as Bryce young moves his eyes, he leaks back to take away the second crosser.
38:15Boom. There's another pressure. First half, they had a 66 pressure rate on Bryce young in this game, consistently getting him to pat and hold the football.
38:22Bryce couldn't get to his typical Ted McMillan outfit because, uh, Ted McMillan at 29, uh, excuse me, 25 snaps against Denzel Ward.
38:29Only had two targets. Denzel Ward put the absolute gloves on Ted Rowe and McMillan.
38:33And so I like where they're at from a talent perspective.
38:36They've got some emergent young players there in the front seven.
38:38Denzel's still so good. And then I love where they're at schematically too.
38:42That's all that matters with this team is like, who are the emergent young players?
38:46Who are you building around? Right. Um, but yeah, the, the, the defense, I thought in this game did a great job
38:52of making Bryce hold onto the football. He had like over a three set time, three second time to throw.
38:57And then just condensing the pocket and forcing him to stay in it and to panic.
39:02And that's the nature of this Browns pass rush there.
39:04It's not about speed off the edge. You have a great pocket pusher in Jared verse.
39:09You're getting interior pressure from Mason Graham. They're just, they're just suffocating you.
39:12I do think moving forward, I'd love to see them add a little bit more speed opposite first.
39:17I think that I was watching them thinking like, it'd be great to have like another component, but like for this Browns
39:23team, the point of the season is like, who are your building blocks?
39:26Who is the young players? And guess what? They got them on offense too.
39:30Cause Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion, uh, remain awesome.
39:33I mean, right now it just looks like an absolute slam dunk of a draft class.
39:37Uh, Boston, you know, he would, he was wide open on the deep out, which was, we can talk about it.
39:43Sean Watson in a second, but, uh, I think he's proven already to be so much, have so much more juice downfield
39:49than he was discussed in the draft. And then Concepcion, my client.
39:52He's innocent. Innocent. There's so, I actually think it's, it's, it's very unsurprising to me that Boston is getting better production out
39:58of Watson because Watson, Boston is your ball winner.
40:00Concepcion gets open very quickly and there's numerous plays in these games or Deshaun just does not pull the trigger and he,
40:06cause he doesn't throw with anticipation to him. And, or in some cases he just like overthrows him on like short stuff.
40:12That's infuriating. But let me tell you Browns fans, he is open.
40:15He is absolutely got the juice. The, uh, true Ben Solak heads will know that in the ESPN betting column on weekends,
40:21I've taken Casey Concepcion overs in every single week.
40:24And I'm over three. He's open. He is open.
40:26You can't make me stop. And I won't stop because the usually, he ran around on 90% of the Browns dropbacks in this game.
40:33Casey Concepcion has 77 routes so far through three weeks of the season.
40:36He has 20 targets. He has 80 receiving yards.
40:38You understand? He's got just barely over one receiving yard per route.
40:42All right. Since the 2000 season, there are only 15 players with 20 targets and 80 or fewer yards through the first three to the season.
40:49Casey Concepcion is one of them. The rest of them are like running backs.
40:53It is ridiculous. How unlucky he's been with that said, the other part of Brown's winner to me is Munkin and Travis Switzer back in the bag.
41:00Yes. Munkin. Yes. Monk. Todd Munkin is extremely good.
41:02I, yes. And Munkin. Munkin. What is cool. He's like, he's one of these guys who's like, you know, I don't really have a system.
41:09I have what you're bad at. And every single week, I'll kind of walk out.
41:13I'll have like five or six screens that are going to work great for me.
41:17I'll have a couple of design touches to Harold fan that are great.
41:21I'll have a couple of quarterback runs. That'll save me in some third downs.
41:24But other than that, like where do you suck today?
41:27Right. And, and, and okay. You know, you guys are pretty thin here in the secondary.
41:31JC Horn goes down in this game. We're going to start peppering.
41:35We'll be in the slot. Right. We're going to go after a Caleb Evans.
41:38And they just have the ability to kind of get to your weak points.
41:42He's a very chameleon coach, which I've always appreciated.
41:45They've got enough good players on the offensive line.
41:47Right. I think Elton Jenkins is doing well at guard.
41:50All right. Center. Excuse me. I think Spencer Fano has had pretty good, you know, a rookie left tackle through three weeks.
41:56They have enough there that they can account for the fact that, yeah, the quarterback play is terrible, but Sean scrambles a couple of times.
42:02Let's talk about that for a second, because I, I've seen some, Oh, what a comeback.
42:07He did not watch, watch the tape. Like he, first of all, in this game, he tried to throw three picks.
42:12He tried to throw so many interceptions, three point, like super long time to throw.
42:16He's taken too long on a number of throws.
42:19It's, it was 4.8 yards per attempt. He hit three throws over 10 yards.
42:23The fan and touchdown was nice. It's not, it's not good.
42:26So that's fine. It doesn't matter. That's not the point of this season.
42:29The point of the season is setting up your team for next year.
42:33And I think the sum total of what we're saying is the Browns have a lot of really fun, young players on both sides of the ball.
42:40That's a win for you this season. That is what somebody, somebody said in the off season that the Browns might be,
42:46was it, you said there might be like a quarterback away by this time.
42:50Yeah. People were like, right. Good take the three weeks.
42:52Great take. They like, I, I don't know how good the running back room exactly is.
42:57I think it's good enough, but the pass catchers and then enough offensive line pieces that, yeah, by the end of the season, I think they'll be there.
43:04Boston Concepcion and Fannin. Not only individually, such fun players.
43:07They fit so well together. Yep. This is a well-constructed.
43:09Need a true Y and your, your home free is absolutely what you want.
43:13Okay. The wuss. I'll go first. Patriots. So let's have the Drake may combo.
43:17He's bad. He was always bad. Last year was all the schedule.
43:20How do we ever think he was good? So.
43:23Drake may, obviously I didn't watch the guy was texting you like what's going on.
43:27This is crazy. Miserable. Game all around for the offense.
43:29Not good in any capacity. May it's, it's weird.
43:32Because there are actually plays where he looks like himself.
43:35There are throws that are legitimately impressive, but there's like three to four.
43:38Just combination, horrible decisions. Or he has a couple, a few misses as well that, you know, that are just kind of strange.
43:44The horrible decisions, the interceptions, the fumbles, whatever are the ones that are, you know, completely tanking this team right now.
43:50So the conversation I want to have with you about him is why do we think he is, these decisions are happening?
43:56There's a few. So by the way, I want to mention like on throws of two and a half seconds, or less.
44:02Drake may is actually like top 10 in most.
44:04I was like pulling it up off target rates.
44:07He be a success rate. It's when he holds onto the ball for three seconds, that stuff starts to go bad for.
44:13Yeah. Um, when you watch him, it, it is clearly more of a mental thing than any like physical.
44:18I know that there's been some talk about like shoulder injuries and whatnot.
44:21I personally think it's much more of a mental.
44:24Yeah. The shoulder injury thing, like, and, and you always like the beat, no stuff in here, stuff that we don't hear.
44:30And so you just want to pay attention to that.
44:32I I've seen people say like, Oh, his, his arm is very clearly different on film.
44:37I disagree with that. I don't, I don't see an arm that looks particularly impacted on a film.
44:41Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I agree with you.
44:44Shoulder injury to me, like feels a little bit red herring right now.
44:48There's, I want to preposite to you two competing theories and let me know where you think the truth is here.
44:54Okay. Um, one is last season a lot. He, he had enormous tight window throw rate and the cat, the Patriots receiver has just caught everything specifically.
45:01Steph digs. And Kishan booty. Yeah. Right. And so he's been an aggressive thrower, but he was being rewarded for it last season.
45:07Now with inferior pass catchers, perhaps he has not tamped down that aggression dial.
45:11That's one theory. The other theory is he is, pressing.
45:14He is not seeing the field. Well, certain coverages are messing with him.
45:17I guess that's two different theories. Coverages and pressing are kind of different things.
45:21So I want to know what you think, where the truth is, uh, and whether or not it can be fixed.
45:26We can talk about next. Yeah. So I definitely, I find the cover six thing to be very, like very funny and silly.
45:33Right. a friend of the show, Nate Tice did a wonderful thread about like, if you watch them on cover six, what
45:39you're saying is not the Drake may is bad against cover six.
45:42You're saying Drake may is bad against the Seahawks.
45:44Cause he played the Seahawks two weeks in a row.
45:47And the Seahawks play a ton of cover six.
45:49He was good against cover six in his last game.
45:52I looked at it to try against, again, on cover six, non Seahawks games.
45:56He's great. And against cover six, the Seahawks games, he's been terrible.
45:59And like, anytime you're filtering that much to a specific coverage, you're catching noise.
46:03You are not catching anything significant. So I don't think the cover six is broken.
46:07Drake may. I will argue that there's a guy calling plays who should be a little bit more cognizant of the fact
46:13that they're calling a lot of cover six in the league these days.
46:16And we can't always have one vertical receiver, weak side in the back coming out to the flat because Hey, cover six is great against that.
46:23We need more weak side options for Drake may.
46:26I think that McDaniels is struggling with it, honestly, more than Drake is, but regardless, I think the first thing that you
46:32posited, which is that last year, all we ever talked about was it is ridiculous.
46:36This tight widow success rate is ridiculous. This downfield success rate.
46:39We knew that was laced with regression. We didn't think that he would plummet all the way through the media and go down to the bottom.
46:46Right. I mean like the, the fall has been meteoric.
46:48I think some of that is because when a court, like, you know, Drake may isn't thinking about regression.
46:54Drake may thinking about I'm playing worse than I was.
46:56And he's starting to lose the threat a little bit.
46:59You're starting to spiral. Oh, you see Herbert do the exact same thing with the chargers.
47:03So I think some of it is that. And then I think some of it is they planned on being a different offense stylistically.
47:10When AJ Brown into the building, AJ goes down and they're just kind of dusting off 2025 game plans.
47:15And this is, I mean, like the film is the film, right?
47:18They are a very static team. There's very little emotion.
47:21There's very little play action pass. There's really nothing new under the sun.
47:24They're running core base concepts every single day. So that, that, that quick time to throw stat to me is okay.
47:30When we get them into a nice pre-snap look, Drake knows where the ball's supposed to go.
47:35Ball's supposed to come out. Everything gets covered a lot more successfully against the Patriots offense right now than most of the
47:40passing offenses you see in the league. And you enter, you know, kind of crazy scramble drill mode.
47:45Yeah. There's a lot of plays, especially early. I guess I noticed we're just guys aren't open.
47:50And then he starts forcing it. And so, you know, it's not, he shouldn't force it.
47:54Like these are bad decisions, but we're just trying to explain how do we get here with him as a quarterback.
48:00The play action thing is weird, right? Like I thought without AJ Brown, they would lean very heavily into play actioning off of heavier groupings.
48:07And they barely ever let me look how much it feels like never there.
48:10I want to say, I want to say the 28th and play action rate and 31st and preset motion.
48:16I'm just going off my head from looking at it yesterday.
48:19I mean, okay. Cause yeah, five and both for sure.
48:21It's great. Like it's weird though. Right? Because it wasn't like, I thought, okay, we got a fullback in the building.
48:27You got rigid Gilliam. Surely we're going to see more of that to yeah.
48:3120, you're right in play action. Yeah. Josh, Josh McDaniels, I would say has five or so calls a game that to
48:37me are the, well, this worked for Tom calls.
48:39It's like, okay, sure. It worked for Tom. And maybe last year when it worked for Drake and Drake's kind of a
48:45supercomputer too, man, defense has changed a lot faster in 26.
48:48And they changed in Oh six, Josh. Like, you know, everything was open back then, baby.
48:52All right. Like we, we knew the rules. We were on top of guys.
48:56Now these days, defenses be doing stuff. All right.
48:58They're changing who they cover after the snap. You know, Josh is running a lot of plays.
49:03They got drawn up on projector screens with later, whiteboard race markers, right?
49:07Like the Patriots are very much in an older era of football.
49:10And there were moments last year where that was cool.
49:12Because it was a zag where other teams were zigging, but right now you're seeing the weakness in it, right?
49:18The reason why we've kind of moved to a less of a pure progression based passing, you know, half field coverage reads
49:24and kind of that, that whole, that whole conversation that we had last season.
49:28The last thing I would say is just, I think that if you strip away all the context, which is a silly
49:33thing to say on an NFL podcast, we try to put on context, but if you strip away all the context and you forget, let's forget about schedules.
49:41Let's forget about narratives for everything. And let's just say that the quarterbacks leading target getters right now are Demario Douglas, Mack Hollins and Hunter Henry.
49:48Cause that's, that's the top three target getters right now.
49:51You should not expect that passing offense to be particularly good.
49:54Now Drake's bad plays are tectonic natural disasters as opposed to just like negative plays.
49:58And that's on Drake, but they don't have good receivers.
50:00You're like, why are you throwing an F to kiss?
50:03It's a terrible play, but it's also like, why are you doing?
50:06At first I thought it was Hunter Henry and I was like, makes sense.
50:10And then I realized, no, it was white receiver in 86 is F to Chisholm.
50:14And I was like, all right, this is very silly.
50:17There's a through line between that and, and the girl wolf about the receivers, but we'll get to there with the team, the quarterback that you're giving up.
50:24Yeah. The other thing I'll mention in terms of also just trying to understand like, why is he so much worse?
50:30What's going on? The offensive line I thought was pretty disastrous against Jacksonville, particularly the right side, right guard, right tackle.
50:36We're just getting dog walks. I forget the right guard's name.
50:39It's Greg Van Roten who backed up in for a Mike and one.
50:42And he's like, yeah. And then, uh, Morgan Moses who Moses left the game and Caleb Loma goes in and like, yeah, it's for rest.
50:49And it's like, man, maybe it should be for performance.
50:52Mike. Literally just. Yeah. Walked him down a couple of times and I gasped at how bad it was.
50:57Um, so yeah, as far as like, I think.
50:59Just to kind of put a pin on it, some of the stuff he did last year was probably unsustainable.
51:05Some of it is natural young player. Some of it is pressing.
51:08Some of it is a receiver. Some of it is on the line.
51:11Some of it is the play calling. Sorry guys.
51:14There's always a million reasons why when we talk about things being bad.
51:17Um, I think for may, you know, the pressing is obviously an issue.
51:21He just has to do. There's like a light flashing behind you, by the way, look behind you.
51:26Do you see that? Your lamp. It's like blinking.
51:28It's like an alien. I think the bulbs gold could sound a couple of times.
51:32I think my new new AJ Brown saying I'm back.
51:35Apparently he's, he is healthy. So I think he's eligible to return week six.
51:39Good God. They need him. Um, but yeah, I think may, may he's just gotta, I think the thing about may too,
51:45is if he wasn't making those like a few boneheaded decisions a game, I don't, I think we would, he would obviously
51:50be, you know, not as good as last year, but we wouldn't be having these like, Oh my God, this is the worst.
51:57Yeah. What is happening conversations. He's just gotta stop making those absolutely abysmal decisions because, um, they're, they're game routers.
52:02Like in terms of EPA lost, he's just absolutely killing them.
52:05Yep. and also like some play action. Also like, you know what?
52:08Like maybe some like more scrambles. Like I think about, he even looked like he was playing more free as a rookie
52:14than he does right now when he was scrambling a lot.
52:17And I feel like he's got to get back there at least.
52:20He is extremely thinking on his feet. Yeah. 15.2% of his dropbacks and right now in an interception or a sack, that's almost one out of every six.
52:28And last year it was, it was like league average, right?
52:31It was like 9%. He takes a lot of sacks, but it was two yard sacks and one yard sacks.
52:36And you got me scrambling behind the line of scrimmage.
52:39If Drake can just get, again, the plays away from natural disasters and to just thunderstorms, this conversation will completely go away right now.
52:45It is. It is the fact that he is unspooling on his negative plays.
52:49There's still a ceiling cap on this offense because of the lack of talent, some of the design stuff, but the, the,
52:55the coaching point here is very simple. You walk into the meeting room on a Tuesday with a baseball bat, you bonk
53:01Drake on the head and you say, chill out, dude.
53:04Like you just got, you got to relax on some of these plays and we're, we're going to be okay.
53:09Why does that have to be a baseball bat?
53:12Can't stop it. That's too hard. I don't know.
53:14Like my, you know, my mother used to hit me with a slapo, like a hat, right?
53:19It would go back. Let's stop like that. So maybe that's what it needs to be.
53:23Instead. Your mom used to hit you with a hat.
53:26It's like, I like she would flack me, right?
53:28Like, you know, when you, when I was being, when I was eight years old and I was being an idiot in
53:34public, my mom, like, you know, Midwestern thing. No, it's, it's a, it's a immigrant thing.
53:38It's a Russian parents thing. She would, she would bonk me on the head.
53:42This is why I was asked about Bo Nix.
53:45And I came up with an idea, which is, uh, I just think he has the zoomies.
53:49And as someone who's been a dog owner for a long time, they need to take him out back before the stadium
53:55and let him run in a circle for 10 minutes before he plays.
53:59Just attempt like 15 crazy throws on the run across back with everything.
54:02And yeah, it'll be nice and calm without a little, like one of those things that you make dogs chase, you know,
54:08like little meat on a, but one of the automatic, uh, ball launcher ones, right?
54:12You'll bring it back. Uh, okay. You're a loser.
54:14I, I, I, I tease this when I talk about pass catchers being bad.
54:18Directions you go in here. That was, that would be mine, but who's your wife?
54:22The Houston Texans are all in three. Uh, this is my wife.
54:26You, you lose a very close one to the bills.
54:28All right. Almost had it there. You know, it came down last play.
54:32Oh, and one. And then you had to go to Cincinnati.
54:35You lose Neagle Collins during the week. That's brutal.
54:37All right. You're all in two, but listen up against the Colts, the team, you know, well, you're five and one, your last six against these guys.
54:44They're also, and two, you know, win this one, right.
54:47The ship, everything's going to be okay. A D'Amico Ryan's killed the team at the end of the game with game management
54:53is it is an inexcusable error in a regular context in an own two context with your offense being this limited.
54:59You, you can't be making these mistakes. The Colts are knocking on the door field goal range.
55:03It's first and 10 from the 45 yard line.
55:06One Oh two. The Texans have all three timeouts.
55:08They have a five yard run. So now it's second and five from the 40 or the edge of field goal range.
55:14D'Amico does not take the time out. Clock gets down to 29 seconds.
55:18The Colts are lining up with like two or three seconds left on the play clock.
55:22And then D'Amico takes it to like change the defense.
55:25You have eliminated the potential for you to have a final drive at the end of the game by making that decision.
55:31There's no world where the Colts run out of time here.
55:33The Colts have two timeouts of their own. There's no world where the Colts like, Oh, expired clock.
55:38We didn't get the kickoff. No, the only thing that the Colts are thinking about right now is making sure you don't
55:44get the ball back and you let them do it to you.
55:47And he said after the game, it was a mistake, but he didn't go for a fourth and four in the red zone in this game.
55:55He should have gone on. He didn't go for a fourth and one against the Bengals.
55:59The edgy field range. He should have gone on.
56:01He is doing the defensive coach day, which is we play field position.
56:05We play defense. We play those sporting games. But then when they go for a fourth and one, they get stuffed because
56:11they can't run the ball in short yardage. Yes.
56:13And, and I think. Not saying that I'm defending the non-going fourth down.
56:17I'm just saying like. But in both the Bengals and the Colts losses, he's had those early fourth down failures and then turtled on late fourth downs, right?
56:24Which is the logic of going on fourth downs only holds.
56:27If you do it over a large sample, you're going to get big peaks, low valleys, and it's going to come out as a win over time.
56:34If you fold every time you don't get one, then you actually are making some optimal decisions.
56:39You are hurting your team by going for these fourth downs.
56:42So a D'Amico, I think blows the end of the game situation.
56:45Offensively. I feel like for the last two years, I've come on this pod in the summer and been like, me and the Texans fix the offensive line.
56:53And you've been like, Hey, no, like don't believe that.
56:55Don't do this. And you did it to me in 25.
56:58And I came back in 26. I was like, Ooh, baby, I love Keelan Rutledge.
57:02Ooh, baby. We're one and two out for these games.
57:05Nick Haley is still walking out and 50% 11 personnel.
57:08We're getting a lot of Jared Wayne routes. Again, a lot of Xavier Hutchinson opportunities.
57:12We got a Hudson drop. It was in the sun, but it was a drop in this game.
57:17We had a Jared Wayne drop over the middle of the field on a play action pass.
57:21They are living in 11 with the idea that.
57:24Why? I thought for sure in this game, they would get the tight ends going against these Colts linebackers.
57:29After the chiefs literally obliterated them. Top target. Yeah.
57:31Hutchinson. Like I, I just look not having Nico Collins hurts losing Higgins before the season is a killer as well.
57:37But at a certain point, you gotta like, you can't keep force feeding the ball to these receivers because they're not going to win.
57:43They do not win. Yeah. And it's, it's your wide receiver one, your wide receiver two are down.
57:48And we started this pod by talking about Ben Johnson.
57:51Hey, you're on quarterback three. What are you going to do differently?
57:54And they walk out with just a completely different offensive philosophy.
57:57Right. And the Texans are here with walking out with the exact same offensive philosophy.
58:01They want to be a team that they aren't right now.
58:04They don't have the horses for it from a line perspective.
58:07You need to be, you know, multiple tight ends.
58:10You need to be designery and silly in the running game.
58:13It's gotta be pitches. It's gotta be one-offs. It's gotta be reverses.
58:16You got to cheese it. And then you got to be able to just nickel and dime your way down the field right now.
58:22Cause you don't want CJ, CJ, CJ takes an early sack to add a Tommy.
58:26out of a bar a against Evan Brown. And it's like, you can't be losing these one-on-one pass for snaps to this caliber of a defensive line here.
58:34So I still think the Texans are going to like win games.
58:37I mean, Nico Collins is going to come back from like a success rate perspective and EPA perspective.
58:42They're still like one of our better teams in the league.
58:45It's going to like be fine. They're going to win games.
58:48You're going to get back in the playoff picture, but to have gone Owen three in this stretch, right?
58:53When there's a mid season quarterback injury, right guys out for four weeks, we always say like, try to go two and
58:59two, just like, you know, stay afloat. The Texans have dramatically put themselves behind the ball for a second season in a
59:05row because of, in my ability, it allowed inflexibility coaching staff wise.
59:08Didn't even get to the defense where you're in a backup linebacker out there.
59:12Jake Hanson's playing for Henry. The Colts are hammering you with the, hammering you between the ashes and you don't have a solution.
59:18So I love the Texans. I love to make Orion's, but the inflexibility, they're stuck in their ways.
59:23I mean, Shane's like, I thought there was a real contrast in play calling acumen in this game.
59:28Like you said, like he's really good at like changing the game plan, attacking the weaknesses of the defense in a way
59:34that we just frankly have not seen Nick Kaley do with this offense.
59:37Um, yeah, it's really frustrating. It's especially frustrating because CJ Stroud is actually playing good football and it doesn't matter.
59:43Agreed. It just doesn't matter. Um, so I don't think it's over.
59:46Let's see. Let's look at the schedule. Actually, they got this week.
59:49All right. So this week you got the Cowboys.
59:52You should be able to move the ball on that defense.
59:54You should be able to attack. I mean, the Rams offense, which is extremely well designed and fun to watch.
60:00Um, I thought put some interesting things on tape, but, uh, then you got the Titans, Jags, Giants, Chargers, Browns.
60:05There's winnable games on this. I have no doubt.
60:08They're going to be like six and six. And we're going to be like, you know, knocking on the door of the playoffs.
60:14It's just, you didn't need to get this far down the hole on the Jags in the division.
60:19And you could, you could have, uh, you know, Bill's game could have won that one.
60:23Certainly this game specifically coaching errors. I thought from one to four decision-making schematics, everything.
60:27I was disappointed in the Texans outcome. So did I pick the Jags or the Texans?
60:31I can't remember. I'm so, I was so like, the Jags are a better team.
60:35Just pick the Jags. I swear to God. Um, all right.
60:38That's it for this week. Ben, what are you up to right now?
60:42I'm chilling. I'm hanging out. I'm having a good time.
60:45I have a five day a week NFL podcast releasing called ESPN league wide.
60:48It's available on all platforms. The first episode is out Monday.
60:51We're so excited. Next Monday will be the first episode recapping week four.
60:55And so, uh, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts as I love getting to say, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts.
61:01What a feeling electric, um, ESPN, YouTube, go check it out.
61:04Thank you for, uh, yes, setting me up for the third pitch here as I get to finally send it home.
61:09League wide is the name of it with Ben.
61:12So lack. So check that who's gonna be on with you Monday.
61:15You know, Dan Graziano. He'll be great. Graziano. One of my favorite where in the world is Daniel Graziano every week coming
61:21from where he's at, uh, on the NFL reporting trail.
61:23It's gonna be fun. We have him on NFL live a lot.
61:27He's very fun. Hang. Um, I don't know. Maybe I'll get an invite at some point.
61:31We'll see. Haven't gotten it. Yeah. Asking everyone kind of needy to be honest, a little bit desperate.
61:36So it's kind of brutal. check that out wherever you get your podcasts.
61:39Uh, Ben's old podcast partner, Shilke Paddy is going to join me.
61:43Nice. Preview this upcoming week of games. A lot of good ones this week.
61:46I gotta say week four schedule better than week three.
61:49I always judge that because you know when, uh, Ben, you know this very well.
61:53I choose the games that both of us talk about some weeks.
61:56It's like, are there even five this week? There were like seven.
62:00I was like having really trouble grinding it down.
62:02So, uh, including of course, Broncos Niners. I will say I was, I've, I've been listening to the, the late week shows
62:08and I, I really don't miss being, you've been like, all right, Ben keys for Titans giants.
62:13And you've been like, ah, that's that. Uh, it's a, it was fun when I had to do it, but, uh, why does he run rant on Miami?
62:20Sure. Uh, yeah. This Dolphins games keep drying. Oh, my guy, Chris Bell, no H8 anymore, dude.
62:25No H8. It's going to be brutal to watch more targets for Chris Bell, who I have in dynasty.
62:30Chris Bell stock to the moon. Uh, all right.
62:32Thank you as always to Kirsten, Becky, Owen sailor, Jack Foster, Tucker Dashen, everyone at Omaha productions.
62:37Also, if you're watching lanterns or traders USA, uh, my recap pod with David Dennis Jr.
62:41And Charlie Kravitz comes out, um, on tomorrow on Wednesday morning.
62:44So. See ya. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

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