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0:57Hey, man. Two weeks ago, nobody thought we'd be talking about the Atlanta Falcons.
1:01We were talking about the Atlanta Falcons tanking, Cooper Rush, abysmal offense, disaster season.
1:05Yep. Friend of the pod, Greg Rosenthal, tweeted before the Packers game, he was like, there's three straight Falcons primetime games.
1:11And I responded, I was like, no, thank you.
1:14And that response now has about 40 responses from Falcons fans with just gifs of just great London.
1:19Like they didn't feel the same way after week two.
1:21Okay. So we're going to start by talking about the Falcons glorious win for them over New Orleans.
1:26What it all means before we get to winners and wolves, Drake may talk perhaps might be in the offing some Panthers talk.
1:33So you can give the NFC South, but let's start with the Falcons offense because that's obviously been a, well, actually, I
1:39kind of think the defense might be more surprising, but put a pin in that let's focus on Michael Penix Jr.
1:45and Bijan Robinson and how they absolutely torched the New Orleans saints.
1:48Now, two weeks, by the way, of this Falcons offense, putting up 30 plus points, looking like an absolute juggernaut.
1:54All right. So look, it obviously starts with Bijan, but I want to focus on Michael Penix Jr.
1:59because after week one, after his week one, the Thursday, I was like, that's cool.
2:03He did some things he didn't do last year.
2:06Let's see it again. So we've seen it a bit again, Ben, and give me your like two weeks in scouting report
2:12on this version of Michael Penix Jr. This offense.
2:14I have a lot of thoughts too. I want to get to, but let me hear you first.
2:19I like what I'm seeing from Michael Penix Jr.
2:22I really do. And, and the thing that shocked me last night, I went to go double check and I was like,
2:28all right, this is a really nice game for Penix.
2:31Where's the stack over the rest of his career starts, like whatever.
2:34And you go and you find all Penix's career starts and the table is just a lot shorter than it is for everybody else.
2:41Wait a minute. This is his 14th start in the NFL.
2:44We're not even a season in yet in terms of total Penix games, right?
2:48So if you contextualize this as a game we would see in December of a player's rookie season, you'd be like, hey, light bulbs on.
2:55Like we've got something here from a developmental perspective.
2:57He hammers the seams, right? Between the numbers and the hashes in this game, 65% of his attempts, he was 11 for
3:0413 for 175 yards and a score. Obviously when you have a running game that's working this well, it's a really safe
3:10incubator for a quarterback to play well. Cause you get to have a lot of play action pass, but they're getting under center with him.
3:17He's ripping, not just in breakers, but outbreakers. He's placing the ball relative to coverage.
3:21He's layering the ball better. One of my big frustrations with Penix over his first couple of seasons was it was all fastballs.
3:27The Drake London outbreaking route is a little bit of a changeup.
3:31It's a softer throw. It's meant to sit him down against coverage.
3:34So we started to show different pitches in our bag a little bit.
3:38There's very clear growth, development, understanding of the offense.
3:40We do, we do need to see this in a position where the Falcons aren't front running.
3:45Like I said, the Falcons running game has produced over 20 expected points over the last two combined games.
3:50It's historic numbers. So we have to remember that this is easy environment.
3:54We should throw the football when you're ripping off seven yards per carry, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the film looks good.
4:01Right. Well, the, the, the front running aspect, I think the thing you can definitively say is this is not a team
4:07you want to play from behind against. Like, you know what I mean?
4:11Like because of, because of the combination of their ability to run the football and, and Bijan, you know, being the best back in the NFL.
4:18But also that they now have a play action monster quarterback.
4:21And that's, what's different here, right? Like the fact that you can put him under center, that you can make everything look
4:28fairly similar and that he can hit these throws downfield.
4:30It's interesting to play the fabulous play action passing attacks really interesting because he's under center, but they're not like booting him out.
4:37Most of the time there's a little like half rolls and, or just straight drawbacks.
4:41And it's bombs. So off of play action right now, Michael Penix Jr.
4:45Is averaging 11 yards per attempt, which is third league wide.
4:4850% of his play action passes are over 15 yards, which is the first in the NFL.
4:52If you take out the screens, cause they've had some that have popped off, it goes up to 62%.
4:58So, so right now it's, it's like a, you know, he's like reigning threes in addition to the efficiency slash explosiveness of the run game.
5:05And it's really hard to stop because like you said, he is hitting those throws and has enough functional athleticism for them
5:11to actually make it all marry together in a way that it just was not under Zach Robinson.
5:16By the way, Falcons fans. Wow. They hate that guy.
5:19Yes. And, and especially with the bus being owned for right now, they are all over it.
5:24They, you know, like the box are like 98%, 11 personnel made up number, not real, but like the one leader, everything
5:30there's everything that they felt like was wrong with the offense last year.
5:33He's doing for an own for Tampa Bay team while they are, you know, two and two and much benefiting from Tommy Reese and Kevin Stefanski.
5:41So I understand the, the buildup ire is definitely, especially in primetime games when you're the only subject material.
5:46It's a, I was informed very angrily last night by Penix fans, by Falcons fans, excuse me, that I'm a big Michael Penix hater.
5:53I didn't know this about myself, but I was being told by a lot of them that I've always been a doubter and I'm a bad person.
6:00I don't even know your takes on Penix. I tweeted during the game that he's, he's like, he's like Drew Brees level
6:06accurate when he throws to Drake London. And then he's like me level accurate and throws to everybody else.
6:12Cause he kept missing the other receivers. You can tell he doesn't trust the other receivers the way he trusts.
6:17There was early in the game. Aikman was like, Oh, he had Dotson.
6:21I'm reminded John Dotson is an Atlanta Falcon in this moment on the in breaker.
6:25But it's like, you can tell he doesn't want, he wants to throw to Drake London.
6:30And honestly, I don't blame him because Drake London is awesome.
6:33Drake London was also destroying Quincy Riley in this game.
6:35Like the, you know, as a big Quincy Riley fan, you know, is an, is built like a nickel.
6:41He's playing on the outside. He's an off cover player.
6:44You see Drake London coming out of the locker room, like slender man, man.
6:47It is not just not a good, good matchup for Quincy Riley player, but no Penix had like, he had a third down sack.
6:54He had a third down missed Dotson. Like, you know, it very clearly just has much better chemistry with Drake.
7:00Nobody else is going back to last season. Then he hits the beautiful Johan Dotson, a deep touchdown, right?
7:05When there's salt in the game way there in the second half where, you know, he's got like the entire end zone to throw it to.
7:12He hits it. It's a nice act of throw.
7:15And then Falcons fans were just over the moon about it.
7:18And so I would be too, if I, if I got to sit on my couch and watch Bajon Robinson play, I
7:24also would be talking a disproportionate amount of cash money.
7:27So I respect it. I absolutely do. And like I said, he's 14, 14 starts into his career.
7:32So I'm very much still jury out on Penix.
7:34The other thing, just one more thing I'll say about Penix too, is like, it really just shows the benefit of having
7:41a quarterback with legit arm strength in a run first play action centric offense, because he doesn't have to be a machine.
7:47He doesn't have to throw it a zillion times.
7:49Again, like you said, they had a lead here, but because he can hit the post corner, you know, from the opposite
7:55head, like because he can make every throw is in his arsenal because his arm is so strong.
8:01Like you said, touch has been the question mark, not strength.
8:04It just, because there's so much focus on the running backs and the offensive line is quite good.
8:09You have the ability, not just to punish teams for over indexing to stop the run.
8:13You have the opportunity to kill them. Like he can hit kill shot.
8:17You know what I mean? Like it's a little bit different from like, uh, like a little, like a more efficient guys, just peppering them.
8:24And it's not, this is not that type of offense.
8:27He will get it all back or not all back, but he will.
8:30If you, as the saints did in this game, get two downhill, even a step, he can kill you over the top.
8:36Yep. Uh, I do wish they had another like speed, like another receiver kind of thinking about that.
8:41But, um, right now it's certainly more than enough with these.
8:44They're trying to get Zach branch there. You can tell every week, Zach branch has got four more snaps on offense.
8:50He's got one more design touch and they are, they are just piecemealing in the playbook.
8:55And I think it's in anticipation of we're going to have games down the stretch here in the back half where, yeah,
9:01we need, uh, you know, guys blow the top off the defense and they expect branch to be that guy.
9:07I think, uh, I don't want to skip over B John Robinson.
9:10I know we were just like, and it's Bijan Robinson.
9:13And of course he puts up another absolutely bonkers game.
9:16It's interesting. Both him and Brian Robinson jr had almost the exact same success rate in this game on the ground.
9:2157%, which is just a very efficient run game regardless of who's carrying it.
9:25But of course, when B John has the ball, explosives are on the table, turning negative plays into positive ones is on the table.
9:32Um, quite clearly the best running back in football with all due respect to Jameer Gibbs, who's excellent as well.
9:38Uh, and, um, it, yeah, I think that like, if I, if I feel comfortable saying something about the Atlanta Falcons offense
9:44through four weeks of the NFL season is now that they have functional quarterback play, which is, you know, and then maybe
9:50even then some, this is just not a team you want to fall behind to.
9:54I think that's just kind of the summary of it.
9:57I was watching this game and I was reminded of the question you asked me last week where you were like, Hey,
10:03all these defenses are firing second level blitzers against under central.
10:06Right. How do you solve the problem? And I was like, well, you get to the boundaries and you can get away
10:12from the eight gap and the V gap blitzes.
10:15Brandon Staley walks out and he's like, all right, I'm going to play my corners 95 yards off and I'm going to fire players on the interior.
10:22Right. And the Falcon said, okay, we were on stretch.
10:25Like, are you sure you want B John hitting the line of scrimmage with speed third, you know, third play of the game, first touch of the game.
10:33And, and, and Gould McKintree's 10 yards off. Drake London goes to stock block him.
10:37Kool-Aid doesn't see it fast enough. Safe is trying to tell him to go.
10:41By the moment you get that miscommunication handled, the crack replace B John.
10:45Okay. Like, is he still in tackleable range technically, but he's got velocity crossing line of scrimmage.
10:50It's you, you aren't, you aren't with, with, with the legion of boom, you are not going to get enough tacklers and
10:56a physicality, enough speed in the third level to deal with B John.
10:59If he's consistently crossing the line of scrimmage with velocity, right?
11:02With the, so much of the theory behind like modern run defense right now is all these early down blitzes.
11:08Yeah. And we're going to slow balls down behind the line of scrimmage.
11:12We're going to create disruption and make backs pitter patter, pitter patter, pitter patter.
11:16And what the Falcons can do by just saying like, LOL outside zone is they're just, they're just agnostic to it.
11:21And they say, we're going to get B John with speed moving to line of scrimmage.
11:26And then he's just going to, if there are problems, he'll solve them for us.
11:30And if we catch you into a bad luck and we get a combination block, good night, go home.
11:35It is. It's beautiful simplicity with the Falcons have going on right now in the running game.
11:40Um, it should be noted. The saints were missing both Caden Ellis and Carl Granderson, who probably their best two run defenders as I was thinking about.
11:48And Ferney Jennings out, Kristen Miller out. Oh, and Ferney Jennings out.
11:51A lot of guys. Yeah. Yeah. Kristen Miller is the nose that they drafted this year.
11:56Who's been banged up. Yeah. So, which was a big part of the reason why I picked Atlanta.
12:01I flipped it when I saw the injuries ahead of NFL live.
12:04Like that's just, those are just not, I don't know if the result would have been different if they had played, but
12:10I do think they would have had a much better shot as her in terms of this run defense.
12:15They were pretty outmanned. Um, I guess really quickly before we flip to the other side of the ball on the saints
12:22defense, like this is a defense that I'll be at with those guys has given up some pretty big performances on the ground.
12:28To be fair, it was against Detroit and Baltimore.
12:31And this is Atlanta. Those are maybe like three of the four or five best run games in the NFL.
12:36So like, do you think this is this run defense is as abysmal as it has looked?
12:41Or do you think it's like a product of injuries and just very difficult competition?
12:45I would say it's like 40, 60. I do think the injuries mattered quite a bit in this game because you just,
12:51they constantly lost to the point of attack. Like the amount of runs that were already like three yards before contact, before
12:57we even get into the Bajon Robinson, I never get tackled by the first or the second guy world.
13:03So I give them a lot of grace for the injuries.
13:06I give them a lot of grace for the opponents, right?
13:09The Falcons offense, you can say the same thing where these two big games have been against John Gannon and Brandon Staley,
13:15who are like the two leaders in the clubhouse for like, I'm going to play with 45 guys in the secondary and do creative stuff and run defense.
13:23And it's like, all right, I'm very interested to see this Falcons running game, which I think will remain very effective.
13:29But how effective exactly against more traditional teams or more traditional run defense solution?
13:33So it's, it's, we're four weeks in. It's our heart wants to say the sample sizes are big enough to know things.
13:39But the reality is that four weeks is just twice as many as two weeks, which is twice many as one week, which is barely anything, right?
13:46Like it's, it's, we still are at the point where who you played has mattered a lot and who you've had available has mattered a lot.
13:54And so I'm not closing the door on our brain and silly defense.
13:57I was pretty excited about coming into this season.
14:00But when Staley loses, it's because opposing offenses say, all right, if you really want to give us this front structure, these
14:06light boxes, then we will hammer you with us until you die.
14:09And, and Staley is a pretty obstinate guy and he doesn't switch it up in game.
14:14And I don't know what he would, I mean, what were you going to do?
14:18I know there was a point. I don't know if you caught on the broadcast when Aikman was like, yeah, brand stay for the game.
14:25Looked like he knew he had no chance. I was like, geez, dude, paraphrasing, but, um, I have great news.
14:31You have the same, the, the, pardon me, the Vikings next week.
14:34So there you go. The saints saints defense. Yeah.
14:37The, the, the saints, that's not good news for Tyler's duck.
14:40We're going to get to you. The four games have been, have been all four games have been weird with like the
14:46overtime comebacks and the late, and like they convert on 16 fourth downs and everything.
14:50Yeah. Yeah. I know you're not seller dwelling. I know you're not clear playoff team.
14:54You're somewhere in the middle tier, but where exactly are we go every week?
14:58I can't, I mean, look at the competition. Like I said, week one lions lose 30, 31 Baltimore.
15:03They beat the Raiders. That loss looks better day by day as the Kirk cousins, powerhouse Raiders.
15:08And then the Falcons might be good too. I don't know.
15:11So yeah, they've got the Vikings, the giants, the Steelers, the Browns are the next four games.
15:16So those are a step down in offenses. I think this defense will play better.
15:20I do fear the, uh, offensive line situation, which we should get to on the other side of the ball.
15:25Okay. There's two ways to look at this. One is what I alluded to earlier, which is, is this Falcons defense better than what we thought?
15:33And then the other is, Oh my God, the saints often supplied.
15:36Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.
15:39Tyler shock. Please survive. Um, let's start with the Falcons defense side of it because I, that's right now through the four
15:45weeks again, I know it's early, but like to me, one of the most shocking, I truly believe this shocking developments thus
15:51far in the NFL season is that this Falcons defense without its past rushers has been at minimum good getting after the quarterback.
15:57Sometimes great in this. Now some of that has to do with, you know, the opponent, obviously green Bay offensive line, New
16:04Orleans offensive lines are very bad, but like, where the hell are these defensive in this game?
16:08First of all, in this game, uh, the state, the, uh, the Falcons offensive line, uh, gave up four pressures total.
16:14Right. Which is what happens when you can run the ball and play action guys.
16:18The saints tackles gave up 11 each each. Woo.
16:21Not good. 35 total. Uh, and some of that is because they were in, you know, passing situations.
16:26And some of that is because they are bad and need a couple of banks junior back, but my God, these saints,
16:32these Falcons defensive linemen and on the season. Now Mason Smith, two A's Mason Smith is thirdly wide in, in double team
16:38rate and first in past rush win amongst defensive tackles.
16:41Brandon Dorliss third and pass rush win. And like, those are, it's not always like a perfect stat, especially just early in
16:47the season, but the eye test also matches it.
16:50Like they're, they're just, where did this version of girl Dexter come from?
16:53Yep. What is happening? 17.1% pressure rate for Javon Dexter.
16:56It's the best among all defensive tackles. Brandon Dorliss is second at 15%.
17:00The two best defense tackles right now by pressure per password snap are both Atlanta Falcons.
17:04We're talking about a guy who was, who was traded.
17:07They traded for a fifth round pick in Clark Phillips.
17:10And then a tweener who was a third round pick three years ago.
17:14Right. The, the edge rushers right now, Zedarius Smith is ninth in pressure rate, 18.8%.
17:18One year, $6 million deal. Cameron Thomas, who was on the Browns and just didn't make the roster one year, $3 million.
17:24And, and he's, he's, he's set. He's 11th. He's 17th in pressure rate, 11th in total pressures.
17:29This is not on a small sample size. I think I like, I think you and I could get five pressures combined onto Jeff Ulbrich defense.
17:36I think we could, man. Like I did every player who plays for this guy.
17:40The crazy thing is they're not even like blitzing.
17:43Like they did last year. Last year, the Ulbrich defense was top five in blitz rate this year.
17:48They're, they're 28th. Thus far. They're seventh in quarterback hit rate.
17:51I mean, I, I just, I don't know. I'm like, I'm like, I'm looking at like Samson.
17:55Evokom was a cold. So he followed, he followed Nate Ollie, the defensive line coach there.
18:00Yaseer Abdullah. I don't even remember how they got Yaseer Abdullah onto the team.
18:04He actually be a Jaguar. He had five pressures in this game.
18:07Like it's, it's, it's a team. It feels like when you're watching a preseason game, forgive me.
18:12Cause this is, this is rude to these guys, but it feels like when you're watching a preseason game and you're like,
18:18I'm like, you remember from those Rams defenses. Oh yeah.
18:21He was at Rutgers. You know, like that's how it feels.
18:24Jeff Ulbrich might just be the best pass rush specialist in the NFL or something.
18:28I, I don't know. I mean, some of it has to do with the competition.
18:32Obviously playing these two offensive lines helps a lot.
18:35Um, but. Ulbrich's also got that Jim Schwartz DNA to him.
18:38We're like every time after another Falcons bottom of the roster, pass rusher has like an unbelievable play.
18:43You expect the sideline to cut to him and just see him like Robert Sala freaking out, going nuts, whatever.
18:49They cut to him. He's just got his wonderfully manicured beard.
18:52Just like. Yeah. Yeah. This is what I do.
18:54Right. He's like, he's just so chill. He kills me.
18:57Facial expression never changed over the course of the game.
19:00Every time they showed him. Um, yeah. And right.
19:02This was also, that was also one where you clean house.
19:05You keep one coach. Sometimes that works out. It's the right decision.
19:09Uh, vastly different quarterbacking environment for Tyler Shuck than Michael Bennington.
19:12I felt bad for him in this game. I know.
19:15I don't want, I mean, I'm really not trying to sound like an apologist here, but he had no shot.
19:20And honestly, he made some pretty damn good throws with people getting walked.
19:24Um, but it was just impossible. I mean, the, and the, the, again, some of that has to do with the offensive line.
19:30Some of that has to do with the surprisingly good Falcons pass rush, but this Saints team has not been able to run the ball all year long.
19:38And that continues from last season and they invested in trying to fix it.
19:42And you had David Edwards, you signed Travis H and, and it's just not working.
19:46I mean, HN's hurt, but it's just not good.
19:49It wasn't when he was in there, he was in a three headed backfield with him, Kendrick Miller and Alvin Kamara.
19:55Uh, you know, they went in the multiple tight end route, right.
19:58Where they went and they acquired Oscar Delp in the draft and they got into a fan free agency and it's David Edwards.
20:04And they, they did all the things that in the off season we look at, we say, okay, collectively, you know, the,
20:11the, the accumulation of all of this, the running game will improve and then just complete flop right from, from week one.
20:17So to me, that's a guy, that's a bit of a Kellen Moore question.
20:21It's a bit of a, you know, run game coordinator question.
20:24They brought over like Eagles guys to do what they were doing with the Eagles in 24.
20:29Turns out that again, if you don't have Jeff Stouten, you don't actually have it.
20:33Uh, and so just, they, they are a gun running team without a particularly good mobile quarterback.
20:38Like Chuck can move, but he's not like an actual like dual threat caliber of a guy.
20:42They're not diverse enough. And then they're not, you know, well coached enough across the office line to kind of live that way.
20:49And so, yeah, it becomes a, we have to throw 85 stop routes to Chris Alave and, you know, and 35 shallows
20:55to Devon Valle and slants to Devon Valle in order to kind of push the ball to actually matriculate the ball down
21:01the field, which I love this Chris Alave season as much as the next guy.
21:05Don't get me wrong. I, uh, enormous Alave fan.
21:08High volume. Chris Alave scares the bejesus out of me.
21:11Why was he still in the game at the end?
21:13I was so angry. And so like when, when Tyson comes back and you can hopefully get some snaps down from Alave.
21:19Okay, cool. And then you're going to be a little bit more dangerous down the field.
21:24Okay, great. And it's a more bigger place, which they've already done at points of the season, right?
21:29They're trying to make Bryce Lance thing. They just cannot connect down the field, but there, you're, all of it is manufactured.
21:35All of this to replace having a healthy running game.
21:38This offense is always going to feel like it's on a knife's edge until they can actually handle football off.
21:44Yeah, I, what's the deal with Kevin Banks Jr., by the way?
21:47Out for the season. Wait, I thought he was going to come back at the end of the year.
21:52He's out for the whole season? I thought it was out for the season.
21:56Oh my God. Yeah. It says he's injured reserve out indefinitely.
21:59Ankle surgery out indefinitely. I thought, oh my God.
22:02Oh, that's so brutal. Maybe, maybe he can potentially be back at the end of the season.
22:07Yeah. He has a chance of returning before the season is over from the Saints prior two weeks ago.
22:12So I was, I knew he was placed on long-term injured reserve.
22:15I didn't realize that there's a shot. I don't know.
22:18Calvin Banks, when we say 16 ain't solving this offense though.
22:21Right. I mean, like, they needed a step from Talese Pouaga at right tackle.
22:25Haven't gotten it. Right. Guard center guard, David Edwards, Eric McCoy, Cesar Ruiz.
22:29I think everybody's been under expectation right now. Not been a good group.
22:32The tackles are the real problem though. And that's such brutal news with Banks Jr.
22:36And yeah, it's, this was supposed to be like the, oh, we got Tyler Shuck, improved circumstances, improved run game.
22:42We got him a receiver. We liked what we saw year one.
22:45Now we can really evaluate him. And I think at this point, it's fair to ask whether or not they're going to
22:52get a good read on it after this season because of his circumstances.
22:55I, again, I really, I really do think he made some really good throws.
22:59He had one early first half where he was getting, he was getting his, his bell absolutely wrong by his own goal line.
23:06And he just open hips, open arm, Chris Alave on the outbreaker.
23:09And it's like, all right, that's the thing about Chuck.
23:12People forget like four-star recruiting high, high caliber recruit.
23:14There's some real, real, real throws. He's got arm talent.
23:17He's got toughness. We compared him, I think to Tannehill.
23:20And that's what I was thinking of when he was just getting absolutely decked and getting the ball out.
23:25Yeah, it's just, it's just really rough right now for them.
23:28I hate to sound hopeless for New Orleans. I do think if they can just figure out a way to run the
23:34ball, it really is such a through line right now in the NFL.
23:38There's like five or six offenses around the league where the quarterbacks are like varying levels of playing fine, but the inability
23:44to run the ball is just absolutely killing them.
23:47Including the one that Atlanta played the previous week in Green Bay.
23:50So that's tough. I'm just looking at any other notes I want to mention from this game.
23:55I thought Harold Perkins made some nice plays. For those who weren't familiar, he was like the LSU linebacker who was supposed
24:01to be like this great next great pass rusher.
24:03He was kind of a tweener and his draft stock fell a little bit.
24:07I think he went late in the draft to Atlanta, but I thought he was quite good in this game.
24:13Anything else notable here? Oh, killing more game management.
24:16Kicking the field goal. At the start of the second half.
24:19And then on the next play, having to go for it immediately on fourth and 10.
24:23Yeah. The next drive, bro. What are you doing?
24:26It's always nice when the comeuppance is swift. Happens all the time now, I feel like.
24:30Here's my best stat is over the last two weeks, the Atlanta Falcons lead the league in yards from scrimmage.
24:36Obviously, 918 have been crazy. Bajon and Drake alone have 680 yards from scrimmage.
24:40If they were a team, they would be 17th in the league in total yardage output over the last two weeks.
24:45They'd be right between the Bills and the Chargers.
24:48Just a league average team in and of themselves.
24:51If Atlanta wins the division, Bajon MVP? I'm thinking more as the fancy coach of the year.
24:55I think that's where it'll. That's a good one.
24:58That's a good one. We didn't even. And that wasn't even on our radar when we were talking about coaches of the year.
25:04And that's that's it's it's the it's always the overachievers, right?
25:07It's always the team that had a lot of expectations coming in.
25:11Bijan MVP. Like, I just think with the Falcon season that you're going to get or excuse me, with the with the
25:17Lamar season, you're going to get with the Trevor Lawrence season, you're going to get there's gonna be too many good quarterbacks.
25:23Let's go. But I mean, you know me. I'll do it.
25:26I'll stand in front of whoever you want and claim a running back should be MVP.
25:31I believe I'll believe in that conversation right now.
25:33Also, Michael Pank Jr. Comeback Player of the Year.
25:36If he keeps this up for sure. There's another good one.
25:39All right. A deserving candidate actually injured came back from an injury with the way the award should be.
25:44All right. Let's take a quick break. Come back and talk about our Comeback Player of the Week.
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27:03Winners and whoops. You can go first. Yeah, my winner of the week is the New England Patriots.
27:08What a relief. That win over the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo.
27:11Almost a year since their week five kind of coming out party last year where they beat the Bills in Buffalo as more than a touchdown favorite.
27:18They do it again in this one. 29 to 26.
27:2126. The big point here is that Drake May is spiraling.
27:24Oh my gosh, the Jaguars game was a disaster.
27:27Oh, everything is terrible. You know, the sky is falling down.
27:30And this is the sort of thing where when you have a Josh McDaniels and you have a Mike Brayble and you
27:36have coaches who have been around for a long time and have seen a lot of ups and seen a lot of
27:42downs, you turn to them and you say, OK, you should be able to help us pull out of this spiral more
27:48than like, you know, the younger coaches and the first time head coaches and some of these young cats are getting these jobs.
27:55So this is supposed to be your moment. This is supposed to be the thing that, you know, you're really here good for.
28:01And they made a lot of substantive changes on offense that just made the environment easier such that Drake didn't need to
28:07push as hard and then didn't have as many of his disastrous plays.
28:11Weeks one through three, 13% play action rate. And week four, it's 20%.
28:15Yeah. Weeks one through three, 32% motion at the snap.
28:17And week four, it's 52%. 75% pre-snap motion rate overall.
28:20They went from a very static offense. Yeah, very static offense, like a league average, a little bit above league average in terms of movement at the snap.
28:28The one thing that really stood out to me was how condensed they got formationally.
28:3238% condensed formation per next on stats. The highest of any McDaniels may game over the course of their entire tenure.
28:38They were 23% on the three games previous this season.
28:41What does that all mean? They got to a lot more isolate one bills player, isolate a particular linebacker, get to a
28:47particular coverage check and let's just get some lollipops down the field, right?
28:51A lot of the week one through week three base part of the offense was, oh, well, you know, Drake's a supercomputer.
28:57And we used to do this with Tom Brady where we would just run these basic concepts and it was static.
29:03You just read out and always be correct. And it was just far too agonizing when DeMario Douglas doesn't have the biggest catch radius.
29:09Romeo Dobbs is a bad drop every single week.
29:12There's offensive line issues. Like it was just, it was too, there were too many points of failure.
29:17So all of a sudden now they're walking out and it's no, we're going to give you like, you know, really reduced sets, get Matt Collins blocking.
29:24We're going to run duo. And like, this is going to be more strong for us.
29:29They ran a shovel option on like first and 10, right?
29:32That's like the goal line play. That's like the third and four play.
29:36They were just going to use that as just quick bang out eight yards, right?
29:40There was a lot more ease in the base offense and that you could feel the relief.
29:45You can feel the calmness in May who didn't feel like every single play was one inch from disaster.
29:50And if I'm not perfect here, then we're going to have a pick six.
29:54We're gonna have a fumble, whatever. He still had his, you know, Looney Tunes moments, right?
29:58He still had multiple fumbles in this game. No, there's hands or something.
30:02I know they're small, but like the fumble and then the immediate fumble after it was like, I mean, so yeah, there's
30:08still moments there for May, but it definitely felt, yeah, they got it more calm.
30:12I actually, it kind of reminded me in times of his rookie season a little bit in a good way, right?
30:18Like the willingness to take off and scramble versus man coverage was a big factor in this game.
30:23And I think in the last few weeks, you've seen him a little bit hesitant to do that at times.
30:29But then he just seemed to be like, you talked about the calmness.
30:32Like I was like, Ooh, Drake may just maybe dial dial, you know, just take the layups and let's like not push the ball downfield.
30:39And he actually, I actually felt this game. He actually did the opposite, which is he played even more aggressively and trusted his receivers.
30:46And a big part of the difference in this game, in addition to what you're talking about schematically was that the receivers actually paid it off.
30:53And yeah, like Romeo game, that's, that's a big difference from, I think kind of lost in the Drake may discourse of
31:00the last few weeks is how awful the new England receivers have been.
31:03And in this game, a bunch of them made plays for him.
31:07I mean, you talk about Romeo Dobbs. He had six catches, two or four downs and two were touchdowns.
31:12High efficiency day right there. By the way, Romeo Dobbs outbreakers, a good thing to do in this offense.
31:17Um, Mac Hollins made some difficult plays. Efton Chisholm, you know, the touchdown was incredible, but on the play before that, he
31:23climbs the ladder to go up and get like, they're just throughout the game.
31:27Um, I felt like, okay, the Patriots skill players are actually making plays for me.
31:32Um, and, and when we think about like, I, we talk about sometimes last, last few weeks, like I actually felt like
31:38some of his hesitation was a little bit derived from the past catching group.
31:42Not just like, do I trust what I'm seeing?
31:44Am I going to turn the ball over? But like, ah, if I throw this ball, is this actually, and it felt
31:50like similar to his rookie season or not his rookie season, I mean last season when he just had infinite trust in
31:56Stefan Diggs and booty and company to, you know, reel it in downfield.
32:00It felt like watching this game, he had infinite trust in his receivers.
32:04Yeah. When, yeah, when I, when I say calmness, I definitely don't think of it in terms of like check down orientation.
32:10Right. And like, oh, like, you know, precision and like, you know, dink and dunk.
32:14No, it was how, like on the Romeo Dobbs touchdown, the first one it's, you know, fake the screen to the right side of the formation.
32:21We're gonna have two verticals, fake blockers. These are gonna be the guys who open up the bills cover it wonderfully.
32:27And Drake just takes his head perfectly to the backside.
32:30Here's Romeo Dobbs isolation route. We pulled the safety.
32:33I'm going to whistle this thing. You got to hold your water in a pocket.
32:37That's not going to be a clean pocket. Cause that play design not gonna be clean for 2.75, 2.8 seconds.
32:42That is trust in, in, in the operation trust in, like you said, the offensive line, the wide receivers in a way
32:49that I think would be justified if he didn't have it.
32:52And you've seen him at times not having it over the last few weeks.
32:55And so the calmness, the poise, the willingness to write, still shoot and make big plays.
33:00And, and I think sometimes you see quarterbacks and I'm thinking about Bo Nix right now where Nix will have these games
33:06and these bad stretches where it feels like he doesn't know what he's going to get yelled at for and not yelled at for on the sideline.
33:14He'll walk out and pass on an extremely easy big throw.
33:17And then on the next play, he'll attempt a far more difficult big throw.
33:21And it's like, okay, you don't know which shots you're supposed to be selecting, which ones you're not.
33:26Like you kind of lost the thread. I think it would have been very easy.
33:30Excuse me. I think it would have been very easy for me to lose the thread.
33:34And this game felt very much. So like, boom, we are right back on track.
33:39We trust our process, trust our system. It's a testament to the coaching staff really is.
33:43I thought the Patriots defense also, you know, given that they were down Christian Gonzalez and Christian Barmore in this game, did
33:49a pretty good job of limiting Josh Allen, forcing him to, it almost felt like in high leverage moments, they were dictating
33:55to the bills rather than the reverse of like with whether as regards to their pressures, real or simulated, the coverages they
34:02were playing, um, they were, it always felt like there were three guys to the ball immediately.
34:06And, and they were able to limit yards after the catch because of that.
34:10So I started to be, there are a couple of big plays, but yeah.
34:14Um, yeah, I talked to play very well. Yeah.
34:17Right. The bull rush of Dion Dawkins where that's the Josh Allen, whatever the hell that was.
34:21This is a rookie second round edge rusher out of Illinois who missed a lot of camp with, you know, injury slash contract dispute.
34:28You would assume it would take the guy some, you know, runway to kind of get up to NFL speeds a little
34:34bit behind the eight ball and that they're managing his snaps.
34:37Holy Moses. This son of a gun is a son of a gun.
34:41I, the, the, the physicality is nuts and so needed right now.
34:44Remember no Harold Landry Jones was banged up coming into this game.
34:48They're getting him. And then Elijah ponders the second round off the edge may had a couple of huge plays in this game.
34:54And Milton Williams is really good too. So the whole defensive line, similar to Atlanta, I kind of, you know, had a
35:00lot of questions about this Patriots pass rush. And I still don't know exactly, you know, how high their ceiling is, whether
35:06they have like a true number one, but I think they've proven to be good enough through the first few weeks.
35:12And to do this without Barmore was really impressive.
35:15I also thought Spillane was really good in this game.
35:18They did a great job. We talked about May scrambling.
35:20I thought they'd read a really good job of keeping Alan from escaping and scrambling himself, even though they mostly played zone and, and also limiting Kincaid, right?
35:28Like he was like not a factor at all.
35:31Yeah. I thought, I thought Zach Kerr had Joe Brady in a really bad spot quarter to quarter where just every time
35:37Brady thought he knew what the tone was and then went to shift the Patriots were one step ahead.
35:42Right. I said, okay, you know, we're, we're flustering Josh with a lot of deep zones.
35:47All right. You're going to go to some more of your, you know, under center running game and try to move us off the line.
35:54Here come the run blitzes. Here comes Christian Ellis.
35:56All right. Now you're going to try to get to bigger play action shots.
36:00Cause you know, we're giving you the single high stuff.
36:03Now we're going to do the surprising two high roles.
36:06Right. And we're going to, we're going to get rushes from depth and get to the simulator world.
36:11Kerr man. Kerr is one of those guys who like, he doesn't have the lineage.
36:15I'm not like, you can't go to his, like, you know, Wikipedia page.
36:19Like, Ooh, he pulled this in this guy or whatever.
36:21In terms of down to down stuff that guys are pitching.
36:25That's good. And the start of last season, man, Zach Kerr impresses.
36:28I will say Buffalo probably should have run the ball.
36:31Every, every game they lose. Cause I'm always like, Hey, the pants run defense is not great.
36:35Like you really could. I thought I think stuck with it and controlled the game a bit.
36:40Um, all right. My winner. NFC South Carolina. Oh, pardon me.
36:43Couldn't even get it out without sneezing. Carolina. Bryce young.
36:46Keep pounding. Um, all right. So now we've got four games into the season.
36:50Cause I understand. It's the lions defense is going to make a lot of offenses look better than they are.
36:56Uh, and there, I don't know the way out for them.
36:59Sorry, lions fans. Uh, but it's so funny. I, the, I, the Bryce young, the throw to McMillan under pressure, the toe tapper.
37:05I, I can't remember like everyone else. I was like, Holy crap.
37:08And I was immediately flooded with lions defenses brother.
37:11That was perfect coverage. That's like, that's not, there's no.
37:14Oh, do you be on earth who defends that?
37:16Um, or it was a perfect ball rather. Uh, but I do think, you know, I want to talk about young and
37:22what we've seen from him this season, because you talk about calmness.
37:26I think that's what, or I'd want to start.
37:28Like, cause the lions really own shot is if they can pressure you and the Panthers offensive line has not been great.
37:35And Bryce has been a lender, a lot of pressure in the early part of the season, but boy, man, like watching
37:41him when he's under pressure, there's like zero panic right now.
37:44Like that. I think that's what strikes me. I have a lot of numbers and there's stuff I want to talk about,
37:50but I think that's what strikes me the most.
37:52Ben is the lack of panic under pressure, the willingness and ability to execute the offense, which is also very good.
37:58There's some fun things happening there that I want to talk about.
38:02Uh, and then the touch and the accuracy, particularly over the middle of the field.
38:06And I looked this up afterwards between the numbers, uh, according to true media, Bryce has a 72% precision, precision pass rate.
38:12It's a tongue twister, which is the best in the NFL.
38:15Second is Trevor Lawrence. Who's also, you know, the media middle of the field maven.
38:19And that's what it looks like. Like, it doesn't, it just feel like every ball between the numbers is right on the money.
38:26Just so catchable. Yep. And, and so, yeah, that's where I want to start with him.
38:30It is the, so the, the play under pressure, the, the twitch on Bryce Young is crazy.
38:35Yeah. Right. And, and, and I, I, I try to think of the bad Bryce Young times and what you could see like the forest through the trees.
38:43What was the coaching staff watching, trying to precipitate out.
38:46It was always in the red zone with Bryce where you'd get into these tight areas and there'd be pressure and Bryce would just start just flicking around.
38:53Right. He's like, it is a, it's the, the, the speed, the twitch, the quickness, right.
38:58The stop, start, the herky jerkiness. He can just freeze a defensive end, stop an unblocked linebacker while he's on a scramble drill.
39:04And it just breaks defensive structure. Right. He just pulls too many guys out of too many places by just flitting in and out of spots.
39:12And then he can make these throws disconnected from the ground, hips facing the wrong way, arm angles at different spots.
39:17Cause he's such a Lucy, such a live body.
39:20Now you're seeing that really starting like between the twenties there, you know, in the RPO game, right.
39:25They're running like Mike McDaniel RPO stuff with him and basically saying like, right.
39:29We just think that you can get the ball out of the mesh point and into the throw so fast that we
39:35can take advantage of very small windows. And it's working wonderfully for them.
39:39Then you talk about the middle of the field.
39:41This is the spot where like, I remember watching 23, 24, Bryce, I mean, like, right, this will never work because he
39:47cannot throw to the middle of the field. He's terrified of it.
39:51He's late. He can't see it. He's too small.
39:53Like all the issues, all the issues, all the issues, what they've gotten him to, to figure out, to learn, to improve
39:59upon from a, like drew breeze, find the windows between the off the line perspective is it is one of the bigger
40:06turnarounds of a quarterbacking, you know, talent, right. It's like, it's like, it's like Sam Donald under pressure and seeing ghosts to ripping throws.
40:12Like it's just, it's a complete one. And that, that willingness ability in it, you know, the, you talked about the, the arm talent.
40:19He's so like twitched up, you know, the kind of whips it.
40:22Um, it's so integral for their ability to attack different defenses weaknesses.
40:26And, and that was very apparent in the lions game where it was clear.
40:30They isolated the backup linebacker who got, forgive me.
40:32I forgive his name. Jimmy Rolder. Poor guy. Yeah.
40:35I mean, he was pulled out, you know, uh, and Brad and Zick drew a circle around him and the RPOs were
40:41so me, but like, he got benched after two drives and they were like, all right, we'll do something else.
40:46Well, they were playing a ton of zone, you know, which, cause they can't play man anymore.
40:51And they said, all right, cool. We're going to, you know, go crazy.
40:55Like the number of RPOs. Find the nearest space and turn around.
40:58Right. Right. But you know, I also, I love the way he used Teddero McMillan.
41:02I think I posted about this during the game, but they had him in the slot a ton in this game.
41:08Again, to go back to the middle of the field, McMillan's also a great middle of the field receiver because of his
41:14body, his size, the frame, the way he's able to box out DBs and get leverage on them.
41:20And then he catches everything and he's got decent pull away speed.
41:23He's not a burner, but he's so smooth with the ball in his hands that it's, it's, it should always be an important part of his route tree.
41:31And there's a lot of big bodied receivers who work the middle of the field.
41:35T Higgins, Drake London. What Ted does from a quarterback friendliness perspective, I, the number one takeaway I had watching this lines
41:41game specifically was like Ted is like adjusting his routes relative to coverage, right?
41:45There's the cover zero touchdown. He scores on the slant against the safety where when tech gets into the route, you immediately
41:51realize it's zero because the nickel fires and he gets into his route.
41:55Two steps early. Cause he knows I'm going to be the hot Bryce is going to be looking to me.
42:00I'm doing it right now. That sounds easy. It's not easy.
42:03A lot of guys don't do that. And remember, this is a six foot four guy who's always playing on the outside.
42:10Who's in the slot and needs to be paying attention to if the nickel's firing or not.
42:14He's not, not had to do this as much before he has another one.
42:18He catches a glance routes, another RPO look where the moment he's off the line, Ted realizes he's getting doubled.
42:24He's getting bracket corners underneath on his outside hip safety.
42:27He's waiting for him on his inside hip. And he bends his route back closer to Bryce.
42:31So that way the ball will get to him before the safety does the, the, the, the live through tech and Coker's the exact same way.
42:39They're both so quarterback friendly. They have an idzic was a wide receivers coach before he was off the coordinator.
42:44Idzic knows how to get these receivers to see the whole picture and allows Bryce and that very zippy style to just get the ball to a spot.
42:52And then your big bodied, huge catch radius receivers will make you right at the catch point.
42:57It gels really nicely. I forgot to put up 101 yards on the Falcons, by the way, we talked about the top of the show.
43:04Right? Cause even if you don't do this world where you're like, all right, trying to beat the lions pressure packages, you
43:10can still say tech go 20 yards and then shove a guy.
43:13Right. And he's got that in his back as well.
43:16Um, yeah, to do all that without Coker, uh, and, and that Falcons win does look more impressive now in retrospect, now
43:22that we've got a little bit of more, we'll be talking about the defense.
43:26So, cause Bryce was under a ton of pressure in that game too, if I remember correctly, but yeah.
43:32Bryce is quick pressure. He's the highest of any quarterback in the league right now, which is a little bit conflated.
43:37Cause they run these RPOs and they're welcoming it.
43:40But also when he's, when it's not an RPO, he does have a propensity to hold onto the football a little bit.
43:46Although that was something I did like in the lions game is I thought he was playing a lot faster than he has so far this season.
43:54He wants, he wants to take pockets into pressured space, right?
43:57Like, because it allows him to then go and make throws out of the movement.
44:01Like I said, he's so good at breaking defensive structure when he's on the run.
44:05And so you a little bit worry about a quarterback who wants to pull offense defenses there, but we have to remember
44:11Bryce, like in the past had nothing to hang his hat on and now has something very substantive to hang his hat on.
44:18So it's okay to like kind of chase that a little bit and then continue to build from it there.
44:23I don't think Bryce is in any way, shape or form done figuring out what he can and can't do from the pocket.
44:30There's still like another step here to take as a quarterback.
44:33I think it's cool. I mean, just to take a step back.
44:36I think the week before the NFL season, I talked about Bryce and like what it would take, what he had to
44:42see from him to feel comfortable extending him as, as the Panthers organization.
44:46And, you know, all of his numbers were improving over the course of his NFL career.
44:51Like he has consistently got better, but what we have seen thus far is an exponential level up.
44:56So we'll see. It's only week four. We'll see if that changes, you know, and maybe with some more difficult competition, but
45:02still again, play against pressure notoriously unstable, right? So that's, that's, that's the bear case.
45:06That's the cold water. But he's been really good at a clean pocket too.
45:10So I think, you know, we'll see, but like you've got a couple of, you have some, definitely some harder competition coming in.
45:16They've got the Eagles next after the buy. The Eagles will be coming off the international trip.
45:21That'll be interesting. Are we sure we're talking about stiffer competition?
45:24We're talking about hard teams to beat? Just looking at who their next opponent was.
45:28You have the Vikings and the Seahawks at some point this season too, in terms of defenses.
45:33All right. Wolfs. You can go first. All right.
45:36I'm wolfing the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll lose at home to the Jacksonville Jaguars 22 to 17.
45:40This game could have been way worse than it actually ended up being.
45:44Jaguars have 130 penalty yards in this one. That really gives Cincinnati a lot of extra, extra lives in the cat bowl.
45:50As it were losing. Losing. And first of all, almost all the penalties were correct.
45:54So I don't want to, this is not a rest, but the Jags were just kicking themselves in the nuts over and over in the first.
46:01They should have had so many points in this game.
46:04And yeah, it was insane how many penalties there were.
46:07293 flags were thrown in week four. This is before Monday Night Football had this number.
46:11It's the highest in a week since 2019. Baby, we are.
46:14We're launching them. All right. We're making sure that the game's being played in a very fair manner.
46:20And boy, do I love seeing it. Anyway, the reason the Bengals are my wolf particularly, like losing to the Jaguars.
46:25I think the Jaguars are a top tier AFC team.
46:28You know, there's a Jamar Chase goes down in this game.
46:31There's a lot of stuff that can break this way and that way, whatever.
46:35The Bengals are 80% pass in this game. They're 80% drop back.
46:39They run the football with Chase Brown nine times for 10 yards and Samadja Piran three times for seven yards.
46:44With running backs gave them 12 carries and 17 yards.
46:47Joe gets asked after the game about the balance.
46:49And Joe says, I think we should throw it more.
46:52And he says, I know we're good at it.
46:55It's what I'm good at. Our lines pass protecting great.
46:58You know, it'll figure itself out. So Joseph. No, no.
47:00Okay. We're only four weeks in. They are trying to be more under center this year, right?
47:05They've basically doubled their rate of under center. It ain't working.
47:08They've doubled their rate of under center pass. It's gone from three and a half percent to seven percent.
47:14So they're still among the league's lowest. And right in this game, they have two under center pass and drop backs where they get completions on both.
47:21The third one, they're trying to run leak. And it's a play that like, you know, the Raiders scored on it from
47:27under center play action in this week in the NFL season.
47:30Everybody runs leak. But the Jaguars cover it up.
47:33And Joe tries to get rid of the ball.
47:35He doesn't do it. He gets sacked. They go one more under center play action.
47:40They get a quick pressure off the outside. Joe gets sacked.
47:43And then they never go back to it again.
47:45And so you can feel the storm clouds of abandonment.
47:48You can feel the storm clouds of abandonment. Yes.
47:50Well, OK, so there's a lot to talk about.
47:53I want to start with the run game because last year, the Bengals were like not in a super explosive running team,
47:59but they were a very efficient one. Right. And that's it's kind of in two years now or one and a half years.
48:06They face a ton of light boxes. Last season, they were 10th in success rate, which is your down to down basis with Chase Brown.
48:13This year, they're still facing a lot of light boxes, but they've dropped from about 10th to around 20th in success rate or so.
48:19And it feels like, to your point, that decreased efficiency on fewer reps in just a few games is completely deterring them from it at the moment.
48:27And, you know, I don't I'm not advocating for this team to be bullheaded and run the ball when they're awful at it.
48:33But when you watch, it feels like they're not really giving it a shot to get better.
48:38Yeah, if you thought you were going to get better at it week one to week two and then week two to
48:44week three and then week three to week four, you never played pro football before.
48:48It's not how this works. Development comes in fits and starts.
48:51It is not linear. And so I think in July and August, when the Bengals were running a lot of under center
48:58stuff under, you know, in training camp and it was all getting blown up by the defense, they're like, yeah, we're experimenting.
49:04You know, we're trying things. We don't know if this will be our identity or not.
49:08Already, you could tell they did not want to be full throated in their belief that we need to have this layer to our offense.
49:15You're already planning the escape hatch. You're already looking for the fire escape even before you get to the season.
49:21And then you get a game like this game against the Jaguars.
49:24You play an AFC contender. You're one dimensional offense.
49:27Jamar Chase goes down and you lose. You say, OK, well, you know, this doesn't, you know, Joe's so good.
49:32How long do you, how about that? You know, from Burrow's perspective, it's like, OK, but we suck at it and I'm getting hit.
49:39And like, I know, I know. But, but what if, let me throw this out there.
49:44Like, what if that's just not something like, like, what if he's always going to be a better gun quarterback?
49:49What if it's his style of plays just more conducive to being able to see the entire field?
49:54I'm just throwing this out here because I, at a certain, I know what you're saying.
49:59I understand, like, we're talking about the run game not being good enough.
50:02And we're talking about the fact that they, there's no like diversity in terms of, you know, from formation, whatever.
50:08But there's, you know, there's the desire to be multiple.
50:11And then there's the ability. And sometimes the ability doesn't always follow the desire.
50:15Right. And I think that there are, there's an argument to be said for zagging, right?
50:19The entire league is going more under center, more play action.
50:22So let's zag. Let's be a team that doesn't need to do that to be successful.
50:27And then we won't have to deal with these, you know, under center blitz looks that we were talking about last week.
50:33So I understand the idea of like zagging. Let's have our own identity and be able to, to, to square peg teams.
50:39But there is a difference between this is what we're best at and one dimensionality.
50:43That to me is the big thing is that, you know, Joe saying, all right, we're really great.
50:48Preston is what I'm good at. We should just throw the football more.
50:52If I, if I know what you are doing on 80% of your, they've been this office for five years and it's been a top five office.
50:59I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here because I know what you're saying.
51:03I understand. There's a reason why they tried to do this, but also like this was a top five office.
51:09Offense forever. 54, 54 Joe Burrow dropbacks in this game.
51:12He gets pressure. No, I know, no, no, no.
51:14This game. He gets pressure on 20. The last few years.
51:17Right. But, but to me, like, this is the sort of game that epitomizes why you run into a wall with this.
51:23Because Joe gets hit 20 times in this game because he has to drop back 54 times.
51:28Both of his picks are because of pressure. It's because he feels like he's getting hit.
51:33The pocket's condensing on him. He puts the ball.
51:35But do we think that's more formational related or whatever?
51:38Or do we think it's the fact that they can't run the football?
51:42And I understand these things are links, perhaps. You're talking about the amount of pressure?
51:46Yeah. The amount of times he's having to drop back.
51:49The amount of hits. All of that. If I'm the Jags defensive line coach, I bring everybody to my bench and I
51:55say, listen, this game and this game only. If I catch you shooting up field when you should be run defending, I
52:01will not yell at you in the film on Tuesday.
52:04Go, go, go, go, go. Make Chase Brown beat us.
52:07Which I like Chase Brown as a player. They should.
52:09They. Like, I would. I would be OK with even if they do try to more like a little bit abandon the
52:15under center thing and just reinvigorate the shotgun running.
52:18That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, because last year, this was again, it was an efficient running game.
52:24It was. It was not a bad run game in Cincinnati.
52:27And now I think what you're seeing now is not OK.
52:30Where there's some frustration with the offense, even though technically the offense is not losing these gifts.
52:35It's not because Joe Burrow isn't under center 30 percent of the time or whatever.
52:39It's because they can't fucking run the ball. They used to be able to.
52:43You know, and when like that's why when you're like you're like you say last five years, they've been a top five offense.
52:49And like, I know they haven't been academically, but when I go to list the offenses, I feel fear in the postseason.
52:56I don't want to put them in the top five.
52:58Come on. I know what they are. Jamar Chase and T Higgins when they're healthy.
53:03But they should be better for the talent that they have.
53:06And this is why you get Bengals fans who are frustrated with Zach Taylor.
53:10They should be more explosive. And I understand that like the understanding thing was a way of getting there.
53:15I'm just throwing out the possibility that if it doesn't work, there's a certain point where you have to find other ways to get explosives.
53:22And it's not always just under center. There's just nothing.
53:25And you got to be more balanced running the football.
53:27OK, abandon it in week 10. It's week four.
53:30We just got to October. That's fair. I'm saying that.
53:33I just don't think like under center solves everything.
53:35You know what I mean? Like I think sometimes I don't know.
53:39I think different offenses have different abilities and complexions.
53:41Bengals should be among the lead leaders in shotgun rate without question.
53:44Yeah, yeah. But you're saying you need to be able to like mix it up a little bit.
53:50I think what's most important is they got to get that run.
53:53I think they got to get the run. Efficiency from like 20th back to 20th.
53:57Your overall point about it's less about getting under center.
54:00It's more about getting a better running game is extremely well taken because right.
54:04You're right. It's very easy for us to conflate those two things when they can be distinct.
54:09In the Bengals case, they should be. Also, the problem with the Bengals isn't any of this.
54:13It's that they can't tackle. Well, I mean, like, you know, I've talked enough about the linebackers.
54:18I don't want to get there anymore. It's it's ridiculous.
54:21And the Dexter Lawrence thing, you're the one first one I saw point this out.
54:25But it's really true. We're like teams are going to start going no huddle when Lawrence is off the field because you
54:31can just run it on in the moment. The on off splits are gruesome with Lawrence and all the big explosive runs are when he's off the field.
54:39And once you start noticing, you never stop seeing it.
54:42But yeah, it was like the first two weeks.
54:44We were like, oh, my God, Dexter Lawrence turns out can cover up for linebacker play.
54:49And it's like, oh, actually, that Dexter Lawrence can't play 100 percent of the staff.
54:53Brenton strange. Liam Cohen just took him and said, yeah, I'm going to just kill you.
54:58All right. My wolf. This won't take long because we've talked about them a lot.
55:02The Houston Texans. But I wanted to talk about something different, which is not we're all in agreement.
55:07CJ Stroud has been good this year. CJ Stroud is not the problem.
55:10CJ Stroud has been actually great considering the fact that they can't run the ball for crap.
55:15And he was missing both wide receiver and one and two for several games.
55:19It's time to have a conversation about the Texas defense.
55:22Let's do it. Let's do that quickly here because heading into the season, this was everybody's number one or number two defense.
55:28Maybe there's someone out, some brave soul out there who didn't think so.
55:32Raise your hand if you didn't have them in the top three.
55:35And thus far, it's been pretty ugly. And I want to share a number with you.
55:40And I want to talk about why this happened.
55:42Against the Dallas Cowboys, you know, I always like to look at quick pressure, which is pressure in two and a half seconds or less, right?
55:49Because that's really, they're looking at the, well, there's a lot of things that go into that.
55:54Sometimes, like you said, RPOs can mitigate and things like that.
55:57But it is a pretty good way to see how much the quarterback's being affected.
56:01Because regular pressure rate can be affected. It's more, I think, related to the style of play and things like that.
56:07But the Texans had one quick pressure in this game.
56:10That's a 2% quick pressure rate, which is the lowest they've had in a game since they played Lamar Jackson in 2024.
56:16Yeah. I was about to say, that's a Dak Prescott stat right there.
56:20That's kind of sick. That's very impressive. Yeah, I want to get into that because they got carved up again.
56:25Let's talk about what you saw, why it is, and whether or not there needs to be any changes schematically on that side of the ball.
56:33Because this was pretty ugly. Yeah. So I think that, you know, whenever CeeDee Lamb catches 17 passes, you know that you
56:39were a little bit just outgunned from an X's and O's perspective.
56:42They have no Aziz Alshair in this game. They have no Henry Toto in this game.
56:47And so they end up being with multiple back of linebackers back there.
56:50They're trying to play more dime. And they're trying to insulate those guys by trying to play more too high.
56:56So that way they'll have fitters from depth and safety.
56:59And then you end up with a lot of space in the flat, hitches and outs, right?
57:03I mean, CeeDee ran more routes from the slot in this game than he had in any other game under Brian Schottenheimer, save for one, right?
57:11Schottenheimer was really big on like, we're going to play CeeDee on the outside.
57:15And this game was like, man, I mean, if we can just run Derek Stingley off with George Pickens, then we can
57:21get CeeDee outside and Kamara Lassiter, but also get him inside on Jalen Petrie.
57:25And then the thing that is most confounding to me is just how often the Texans are busting coverages.
57:30I've been like four times in this game, which this is kind of one of those offseason traps that we fall into
57:36where we say, okay, here's this new defensive coordinator with three new pieces and they're playing a rookie at safety.
57:42These guys will blow a lot of coverages. Certainly the Houston Texans.
57:45So, you know, everybody's been there for 10,000 years.
57:48Read blank. It's only the new guy. They won't make any mistakes.
57:51But for whatever, you know, preseason football level of focus, whatever it is.
57:55I mean, for four weeks now, the Texans have been giving up massive, massive completions because they're having trouble communicating in the defensive backfield.
58:01Derek Stingley tried to give away multiple routes in this game.
58:04Nobody's there to take it up. Second and 18, they give up the first down to CeeDee Lamb on second and 18 because they're in a fire zone.
58:12They don't know who's supposed to be where. And so when you have a defense that is this simple in the defensive
58:18backfield, the whole theory is we have really good players and we'll be able to be sound, right?
58:24We'll know our assignments. The moment you have two or three players where a guy doesn't know his assignment, disaster, right?
58:29It's absolute fall apart. And so it's been very disappointing from an execution perspective that D'Amico Rines and a Matt Burke coach
58:36to defense is making this many errors over the course of September.
58:39The fact that the four-man rush just hasn't been able to take over games has left them so exposed.
58:44And the way that offenses have prevented the form, it's interesting because it's been a little bit different in every game.
58:50Like, they're just, we're so used to watching this Texans four-man rush just like nuke offenses.
58:55And that's just not been the case. And week one, you had Josh Allen.
58:58They did some of what Dallas did in terms of like getting big bodies into chip.
59:03But like you had Josh Allen moving. Week two, you had Joe Burrow extending.
59:07And in this one, it wasn't Dak extending. It was simply Dak stepping up in the pocket over and over.
59:12And just they would give the tackles help, you know, against those edge rushers.
59:16But, you know, Dak Prescott, I think one of his greatest strengths as a quarterback is his pocket management and his ability
59:23to step up and keep his eyes downfield. And time and time again, you would see the edges just get past him.
59:29And like you said, then on the back end, they were undressed.
59:32And some of that had to do, I thought the Brian Schottenheimer had a really good game plan in terms of like
59:38the way he was, you talked about him moving CD, the way he was able to get him free releases, the way
59:44he was able to take advantage of their zones.
59:47And it's Dak Prescott. Like if you play a lot of zone, you're just going to pick it apart if he has time.
59:53Dak was just never wrong in this game. It was crazy how often Dak pre-snap is fighting exactly where the ball needs to go.
60:00And then he gets there on time enough such that they can break tackles.
60:04Because the other thing is there's a lot of space in the secondary to run after the catch because they're trying to
60:10play really tight to routes down the field, which I don't know.
60:13Like my head tells me Texans should play more aggressive.
60:16I was just about to ask you. Do you think because in this game, I thought absolutely.
60:21They're about, you know, average and man coverage rate.
60:24Generally, it's like man, a lot of quarters. But in this game, I was like, bro, you got to disrupt CD lamb at the last year.
60:31Like I understand like they were shot numbers. He was using, you know, motion and bunches and things like that to get him those releases.
60:38But like this is not working for you, especially with this quarterback.
60:41Right. Yes. And they get the Titans next week.
60:44And so it might just be like a mouthwash game.
60:47And like we don't even need to really evolve too much.
60:50But like if you if they'd walk down the second half and they've been all right, we're going to play a lot tighter to routes.
60:57No more free access underneath. We're going to, you know, play man coverage.
61:00Kenneth Murray would have seen 94 targets. The Cowboys know who Kenneth Murray is.
61:04He was in the building two years ago. Right.
61:07And that's the they very much were calling a defense that was meant to say, OK, we really don't trust our linebackers.
61:13We're going to, you know, ask our corners and our safeties and our nickel to do more than they should be asked to do.
61:20But it's because we just really can't trust these linebackers and coverage and they never got away from it.
61:25And they were, you know, leading their late. Right.
61:27Like they were close. And so they had that they had they only start to linebackers both right with injury.
61:33There wasn't a big limitation on this defense from an Achilles heel perspective.
61:37But yeah, like I remember when Will Anderson got the sack fumble on Daniel Jones in week three and I was like there it finally is.
61:44The Texans pass rush defensive play that typifies how they finish these games.
61:48Right. That one last moment in clear past situation.
61:50And then they gave up the very next drive and they give the field goal, whatever.
61:55And so, right, it's the those one last moment PBUs pressures strip sacks.
61:58Those haven't shown up for them in these three out of four games now they've lost in the last two minutes.
62:04We'll say. A little bit of context, right? Buffalo.
62:07Cincinnati, even though you've buried them, I still think they're.
62:09Oh, my gosh. And then the Dallas Cowboys, who are probably a top three passing attack.
62:14It's been a quite a slight for this defense.
62:16So I think the reality is probably somewhere in the middle where they're not the world beaters that everybody thought they were
62:23going into the season, but they're not as bad as they've looked.
62:26They probably face the hardest. I just saw DVOA went up.
62:29It's going to take a second probably before I start really, you know, like leaning on that.
62:34But I have to think that DVOA will be kind to them after these first few games.
62:38They've got I saw from the Twitter account. That's the 49ers analytics account camera what it is.
62:43But anyway, he does expected wins and the Texans have like 2.5 expected wins on the season, right?
62:48They've been tight in all these games. They've had great advanced numbers.
62:52They've had short yardage failures. They've had fourth down execution failures.
62:55They've had fourth quarter execution failures. This is still a pretty good team.
62:58Oh, and four is about as big of a hole as anybody's dug their way out of right now.
63:04Healthy Nico CJ keeps playing this way. Defense tightens up a lot of easy mistakes.
63:08I could see it, but I'm not going to set my watch to it, right?
63:12I'm not going to put a lot of faith.
63:15Let me pull up the schedule really quickly. And then they have the Jags in week six, and that's the one where if you drop it, it's over.
63:22It's over. But if you win it, you can kind of.
63:25You win. You can start rallying. Yeah, you got tightens, Jags.
63:29Then you got the Giants, the Chargers, the Browns, the Colts.
63:32So yeah, if you. OK, so let's see you drop to one in five.
63:36Two, five, three, five, four, five, five. You get to five and five if you rip off of even with the Jags
63:42loss, if you rip off a bunch of wins.
63:44But that's a lot to ask. So that's brutal.
63:47Dicey. Dicey. CJ Stroud, 19, 20 plus yard completion.
63:49It's the NFL right now. You know who's really good is CJ Stroud.
63:53I don't know. There was a moment there where we were all like, what if he's not?
63:58Turns out he is. You know who else is really good?
64:01Nico Collins. Nico Collins for MVP. I will do that, dude.
64:04I'll do that in a heartbeat. I think Nico Collins is the most valuable player in football.
64:09Crazy how much better the offense looks with him.
64:11Hmm. Having your number one wide receiver makes a big difference.
64:14All right. That's it for now. Reminder to folks.
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64:25So I have Derek Klassen coming on this week.
64:27We had Steve Weish on Tuesday to recap Monday Night Football and some of the late afternoon games.
64:32A lot of fun. Steve's a big Falcons guy.
64:35So I'm sure that's a good listen. He's the best.
64:38I saw him in New Orleans always looking so dapper.
64:40Yeah. All right. So check that out. We'll be back on Thursday with Dominique to preview this weekend's late Seahawks Niners.
64:46Oh, coming down. And also, if you watch the show Lanterns, my recap with David Dennis Jr.
64:51of the finale. I got like four texts of like, hey, you looked great in the Lanterns finale.
64:56Was there a small white man? I think it's the this isn't a spoiler.
65:00The quarterback, the high school quarterback looks a lot like you.
65:03I actually thought that when he first appeared on camera.
65:06Noah Macon. That's the name of the quarterback. He does look like you.
65:10But you're like a universal donor for. I was about to say.
65:13The problem is, oh, okay. This is. He's probably like.
65:16This man has nice hair. I mean, he's not a man.
65:19He's a boy. But yeah. Well, okay. But I'm a man.
65:22And so I'd like that to be in the record, please.
65:25A father of two. All right. Thank you so much, Ben.
65:28Go check out his podcast. Everybody. My friend has a podcast and you better check it out.
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65:36Wow. Yeah. Yeah.