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0:26From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. Welcome back to the Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, the only NFL podcast.
0:33One of the hosts doesn't have a joke today because he didn't show up for work.
0:38That's Lenny. I'm Mina Kimes. I'm sorry. It's all my fault.
0:42That's okay. It is. But we're here to talk about Week 5.
0:46You're being so nice, but I know you're so mad at me for changing the schedule.
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0:56You are such a great friend. Let me off hook, please.
1:00We're here to talk about Week 5. There's some good games this week.
1:04Some really good games, actually. There's a night football.
1:07It's not one of them, but there's some good ones.
1:10As always, we're going to talk about maybe... I don't know.
1:14Maybe it'll turn into a great game. Dominique Foxworth of the Dominique Foxworth Podcast.
1:19Our show is here to join me to break down all of the games.
1:23We're previewing them. We're going to talk about them all.
1:27Some in more detail than others. Both Cowboys look good on the schedule.
1:31This is one of those for the season. I was like, well, it's a nice Thursday night game.
1:37But the Bucs are imploding. Is that too strong?
1:40No, it's not too strong. Yeah. The defense never was what I thought it was going to be.
1:46And the offense wasn't either. And then lost their quarterback.
1:49So, yeah. There's nothing about this team was as good as I expected to be.
1:54It's one of my worst preseason predictions. They lost the quarterback, but the quarterback wasn't playing well.
2:00So, it's kind of like... So, this is my game.
2:03I'm going to key in on it and focus on that defense because, like you said, I thought this was going to be a top 10.
2:12I think I had them like ninth or something.
2:15Like, I was very optimistic about this young Bucs defense.
2:18And thus far, I have found them to be quite underwhelming in multiple respects.
2:23You know, I'll highlight the pass rush here. There's not a single Buck who rakes inside the top 90 in pressures thus far.
2:31Ruben Bain Jr. didn't start out great, but then he's missed a couple of games.
2:36Yaya Diaby in a contract year has not been producing.
2:39I mean, even like Vita Vea isn't really getting much push.
2:43And now you face a Dallas Cowboys offense that looks like an absolute buzzsaw.
2:47We just saw, you know, go absolutely nuclear against Houston.
2:51I think their best chance... I mean, we get the other side of the ball is probably actually their best chance.
2:58Jalen Daniels, who honestly, I did actually watch him.
3:01He did. He can do some stuff. You know, it wasn't like...
3:04It was not... He's not... It didn't look like starting NFL quarterback, but it also didn't look like a disaster to me.
3:12It looked like kind of your standard backup quarterback.
3:15So yeah, I think it would have been fine if it was, if they just needed to buy a couple weeks or been fine.
3:23If they were building to something else, this was a team that felt like they needed to do more.
3:29He's not good enough to overcome all the shortcomings.
3:32Like it's... Especially if you're gonna have to go toe to toe with Dak.
3:37Like they're gonna need some sort of miracles at some point, I would think.
3:41And Dak seems like he's one of the guys who never quite slips up.
3:46Like just never bad for him. It might be like slightly above average.
3:50And sometimes it's great that offense is gonna, I think, be a problem for the Bucs.
3:56I don't see how they stay in this one.
3:59I'll just... This feels like maybe not his last stand, but Todd Bowles, this is your...
4:04This is it, man. You wanna save your job.
4:07Yeah. Roll out some sort of bespoke game plan for Dak Prescott.
4:11If you play, sit back and play zones, he'll carve you up.
4:15If you can't get pressure, he'll carve you up.
4:18He'll throw the ball quickly anyways. But they have to find a way to get pressure in this game.
4:24That's it. That's it. Like if you blitz... So that's the thing also about dealing with Dak is like the...
4:31If you blitz enough, he'll figure that out and make you pay.
4:35Like it has to be like, to your point, it's...
4:38It has to be bespoke to where they wanna attack and when they wanna attack there.
4:44He is playing at such a high level. And that offense is all the talent.
4:49And I guess you can point to some Bucs injuries, but like they haven't been good even when they were fully healthy,
4:56like on the defensive side of the ball. It's not...
4:59Yeah. It's not very promising. You're right. This is like a last stand.
5:04Win one for the Gipper. Save his job. Like emotionally charged game, but it's on the road.
5:09Uh... See the hottest seat in the NFL right now?
5:13Probably, right? Let's look at the... Yeah. It's gotta be.
5:16I don't know who on that rust. There's no also...
5:19Cause like not... No, Zach Robinson, their offensive coordinator hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.
5:24So there's no like obvious like young hotshot coordinator.
5:27He left. He's killing it. Yeah. Yeah. Really quickly.
5:30Dolphins, no. Aaron Glenn monitoring the situation. D'Amico, no.
5:33Robert Sala, probably too early. Chargers, no. No. Quiet one to monitor though.
5:38Uh... Commanders, one to monitor for sure. Yeah. And...
5:41And then Cardinals, no. New coach. So yeah, Todd Bowles definitely is your number one draft pick for first man out.
5:48Um... But yeah, obviously we're both taking Dallas here.
5:51Yeah, I think so. All right. Eagles Jags. International game.
5:54Little programming announcement. I will be on the pregame and halftime for this game.
5:59Ooh. Fun, fun. Yeah. And NFL Network here in Los Angeles.
6:02Tune in. It'll be 4 a.m. Pacific time. It's a 6.30 a.m.
6:06game. Uh... With Dan Orlovsky and Steve Mariucci. So check it out.
6:10I'll be digging into this game in great detail then.
6:14I'm gonna go first here. So I gave you the Jags offense and myself the Eagles offense.
6:19Uh... Coming off of a dismal performance. But this feels like a good opportunity to talk about the fact that the Eagles
6:27offense just completely blew up their offensive line. Yeah.
6:30So let's get into it. Because... It changes the whole show.
6:33Everything. It's like... Are they done? Are they fire sailing and they doing a complete rebuild?
6:39Like this doesn't seem like a decision. Like, uh...
6:42Or the combination of decisions don't seem like something that you would do if, um...
6:47You're setting up to make some sort of push.
6:50Which I guess seems absurd for this team to be giving up on it.
6:54But this doesn't feel like... I had in my notes before the trade.
6:59When the line of scrimmage. Doesn't seem like they want to.
7:02All right. So for those who don't know, Lane Johnson, the stalwart Hall of Fame, the right tackle, the best part of
7:10this offensive line, just announced his retirement. Um... Markel Bell played for him last week against L.A.
7:15Also, and this is the new piece of news, the Eagles traded their guard, center turn guard Cam Juergens, to Baltimore for a second.
7:23Which... All right. This season we're going to get into this game.
7:27A lot of questions. But that's like a pretty damn good return for that player based on what I've seen thus far this season.
7:35We can hit the Baltimore side of it, Dominique Foxworth.
7:39But like that's... That's a great trade for Philadelphia.
7:42Just say that, you know. It's a great trade for Philadelphia.
7:45It definitely smells like buyers and sellers in baseball where one team is willing to overpay because they know that they have
7:53a shot and one team is like, well, this opportunity is here.
7:57We're going to make this decision because the opportunity is here.
8:00I'm not suggesting that the Eagles are packing it in because they couldn't resist this deal.
8:06Like you mentioned, they weren't happy with Cam Juergens up into this point.
8:10He has struggled in some of the games, particularly when they need like Landon Dickerson out there and a healthy and playing well.
8:18So that's... But the Ravens have moved their guard to center and so want to rebuild their...
8:23or solidify their offensive line in some way. But yeah, that's...
8:27It's a great deal for a player like that.
8:30So what it leaves Philadelphia with is this composition, Mylotta, Willie Lankin, who is the very petite guard who I loved as a Rams preseason center, playing guard.
8:39Drew Kendall's going to stay at center, it sounds like.
8:43Tyler Steen, who's been okay, is going to stay at right guard.
8:47And then Markel Bell. I don't know if this can get better.
8:51I think that's what struck me. I talked about this...
8:54I do this Eagles show. I just talked about it on NFL Live after the loss to Los Angeles.
9:00So like Jalen, they got killed in third down.
9:03They got killed, the Rams, every time they blitzed, particularly from the right side, just felt like they had no answers.
9:10I think what struck me watching them back, Dominique, versus I was thinking about like the Eagles after the Super Bowl season,
9:17when they could, they also remember when teams kept blitzing Jalen, and they didn't have answers.
9:23So that felt like Hurts back then and scheme.
9:26Watching these back, some of them are on Hurts, no question.
9:29There's definitely guys open on some of these plays.
9:32But this time it's also very much the offensive line and just not being able to handle protections, guys just getting their butts kicked.
9:40Like there was multiple plays in that Rams game where Hurts had no shot.
9:45And I think that's what makes it so hard, right?
9:48Because it can't just say like, oh, the scheme or oh, the quarterback.
9:53It's like, no, you're talking about like a systemic problem right now.
9:57Yeah. You can't get into anything that you want to get into.
10:01You can't get in the flow. You can't do anything consistently because you can't get a pocket.
10:06You can't consistently push to get a run game.
10:09It does feel like it's really hard to fairly evaluate anyone.
10:13And to be fair, I know that plenty of teams have less.
10:17Well, not plenty, but teams have less talent across their O-line and have some level of success.
10:23But the way that this team and last week was a special case.
10:27Everyone was hurt. But this team doesn't seem like they have the coordinator or the quarterback who is like so special that they can consistently overcome those shortcomings.
10:36No one can always overcome them, but like you're watching for some sort of like innovative scheme or something like no, that's that ain't nothing special.
10:45Yeah, I think what it reinforces to me is that the build of this team with this quarterback, you needed a good
10:52offensive line for also has to do with the run game and the coverages.
10:57And I understand people are like, that's every quarterback.
11:00Not necessarily. I think different quarterbacks need different things.
11:03Some court like Joe Burrow, for example, one could argue having the elite receivers matters more than anything because of his style of play.
11:11There are certain quarterbacks were having a great run game matters more.
11:15I came to see that with Russell Wilson, for example, by the end of his career.
11:20I think with hurts, I think overwhelmingly I'm starting to realize like they really need to if they want to make this
11:28work with him, they got to fix the line in part because of his style of play.
11:33And to bring it back to the game, this is, you know, a Jags defense that I mean, they if there's anything,
11:41I guess going for Philadelphia, it's that the Jags defensive tackles are just OK.
11:45I mean, I think that the Eagles offense can do to attack them.
11:50But I mean, that Jags defense, I talked about that for Cincinnati, they run, they hit, they tackle.
11:56It's hard for like, is there anything you think that the Eagles offense can do to attack them?
12:02I mean, that I don't know what I would put target if it was the game.
12:07But like, I think Devante plan, is he healthy?
12:10If Devante is healthy, like I feel like he's the best player on the offense.
12:15I try to find ways to get him the ball, but then that still is dependent on the protection and the quarterback,
12:22which is not particularly comfortable because I'm not Devante is not AJ.
12:26I think I'm a big guy in the game.
12:29I think I'm a big guy in the game.
12:32I think that's offensive. I want to let Devante get into the secondary, which requires some sort of play action and boot
12:40or something to buy them some more time. But yeah, that's why that's where I'd like to attack.
12:46But that's not an offense. That's a that's like, that's a play.
12:50Survival. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, you have the other side of the ball.
12:54Yeah. Thank you. That's such a better gift. Much more interesting side of the ball for sure.
13:00Yeah. Yeah. I mean, coming off of last week, like the Jacks have been really good and it feels like they've like
13:07graduated from like a hipster slash darling pick to like now everyone is really on board about the Jacks may be the best team.
13:15And it's in large part because of what they've done offensively.
13:19I know the defense is overachieved. I would say up in this point, which I guess is the wrong word.
13:26They're better than I thought they would be. And I thought they'd be pretty good.
13:31But watching Trevor Lawrence hit just dissect his own defense and eviscerate linebackers just makes me worried for this Eagles defense because
13:38their linebackers have been struggling in coverage. And they seem to be relying on like cover three, cover four stuff that Trevor Lawrence has seen a lot.
13:47They're not doing a ton of like interesting stuff up front to be able to generate some more pressure.
13:53And they seem to be like weak on the edges, particularly against the run where that it also seems like the not
14:01seems like the Jags are good at running the ball, particularly in that spot.
14:05It does. It's another situation where I'm looking for a place where they can get a win.
14:11And especially with Cooper Dejean, who hasn't been playing well this season for whatever reason.
14:16And Quinion Mitchell got hurt at the end of that last game.
14:20Like I would say that those were strengths because as well as Trevor's been playing like there, there's not like I mean,
14:27Parker Washington's very been very good, but there's not like a incredible receiver.
14:32And I also feel like the when the Eagles go into man coverage, it's people want to target their linebackers and target
14:39to Campbell, which like again fits perfectly. I actually feel like that works even better because like strange is really talented.
14:46Right. Like literally just saw the Jags do. Yeah.
14:49Like they looked at the Bengals and they said, oh, cute little spine.
14:53The defense you got there would be a shame if I just lived in it in the entire game.
15:00Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm rambling on about all the different advantages that they have in this place.
15:06Yeah. Yeah. There it does feel like a matchup that that works for them well.
15:11And then you put on top of it, they are London's team.
15:15So it's more of a home game for them than anyone.
15:19Don't they play there every year? Yeah, I do.
15:22Yeah. I think to your point, it's just their strengths unfortunately line up for Philadelphia with their weaknesses.
15:28Like I think we're almost getting to the point where we're going to start thinking about teams that are are equipped to go after Jackson.
15:36I mean, the Broncos in the second half were great.
15:39I think like a team like Baltimore might be a little bit better situated.
15:44You have to have really strong linebackers and safeties against this team because of the way they like to play.
15:51And right now that's Philadelphia's weakness. I do think for one more thing in there about Trevor Lawrence, I text you earlier
15:58today, wondering about a stat for when a quarterback completes a pass while getting hit in the face.
16:04I don't know what that stat is because I put in contact it and then people are getting brushed and they count that as contact.
16:12But anyway, the point is, I wanted to look that up because I was watching Trevor Lawrence.
16:18It's like more than anyone, it felt like that I've been watching so far this season.
16:23He stands in there and he knows the hits coming and he delivers these really accurate passes 10, 15, 20 yards down the field.
16:31And that just like even when you got them beat.
16:35And I mean, that's not to pick on Bryce Young, but like that's the that's what it comes down to.
16:41Sometimes you need a big. That's why you kind of need a big sturdy guy because they're going to be plays.
16:48We just have to eat it and still accurately throw downfield.
16:52So he has been very fearless about throwing into tight windows.
16:56So it kind of feels like Philadelphia is going to have to take one away if they want to pull this upset off.
17:03And then I think, you know, more pressure than what we've seen thus far.
17:08The Eagles are 30th in past rush. And I know, you know, Grenard's not been available for it, but that's pretty disappointing.
17:15I it's funny because like the offense is undeniably been worse, but the defense has been more disappointing to me in Philadelphia because of my expectations for them.
17:25So big fan geo man earn your money. You make a lot.
17:29You're you know, this is it. Let's see it.
17:32I'm sorry in a building like that because I feel like every year they're like us against the world back against the wall.
17:39So at some point you run out of that and then like Lane Johnson's leaving last year.
17:45They're bringing back Brandon Graham. It just feels like that place.
17:49They got to be fucking exhausted. Yeah, I it.
17:52This Juergens trade to getting a second next year start to raise questions about the offseason.
17:57It's going to be if this this feels like if they don't get some like an you know, an underdog win or two.
18:05I don't know how things are going to go.
18:08I am taking the Jags here. I assume you are as well.
18:12Yep. All right. I'll go next. I have a simple one here.
18:16Don't blitz to Sean Watson. Deshaun Watson is second league wide in QBR when he's blitzed.
18:21It's 95 when he's not blitzed. He has a QBR of 24.
18:25Wow. So which makes sense, right? Because this Browns offense is built to get yards after the catch.
18:31In fact, this this kind of blew my mind.
18:34Thirty nine percent of Cleveland's receiving yards have come after contact, which leads the NFL by a significant margin.
18:40And we saw against Pittsburgh. If you miss tackles against this team, they will punish you for it.
18:46So, you know, I think like Watson's been in the league for a long time.
18:51Todd Munkins doing a great job of dialing it up.
18:55They are right now destroying the blitz. New York is seventh in blitz rate.
18:59Aaron Glenn, don't do it, man. See if you can get pressure with four this week.
19:05And you got to tackle too. But that to me is my number one key for them is just do not play
19:12into what the Browns want to do on offense.
19:15Yeah. And the tackling is a big one like that's it feels like one of the things that there every season something
19:22jumps out in and becomes a theme. And that's one of them is the teams that defensively are having struggles.
19:29It seems like one of the major thing that jumps out all the time is their inability to tackle consistently.
19:36So I think you're absolutely right about this. And yeah, the Deshaun Watson and the Browns are producing more, but it doesn't
19:43feel as stable as I even when it's time to close out the game.
19:48Like there's miss there's mistakes. There's missed targets like there are some teams that I feel like I know pretty well after
19:55four games and there are some that I don't.
19:58And this one is one that I don't feel like I fully understand what this team is.
20:04Yeah, the Browns. Yeah. I mean, the Thursday night game he was Watson was good in the first half.
20:10He was legitimately good and he was awful in the second half.
20:14What is that net out to? Yeah, you know, like I I'm, you know, I capable of I'm happy to talk about his flight on the field.
20:23Honestly, like that's what I saw. And now you go up against the Jets team that I thought was pretty bad against
20:30Chicago, a little bit of a disappointing performance on both sides of the ball.
20:35I'll probably go Browns here. I don't mean to overreact to the last Jets performance, but the Browns defense is like the
20:42thing you hang your hat on in this game.
20:45Right? Yeah, I think I agree with you. But the for slightly different reason is just because they seem to be really uncomfortable in tight games to Jets.
20:55Anytime there's like a situational thing like that seems like good point.
20:59And I don't think that this is going to be a blowout either way.
21:03It'll be a tight game. And and that like that cliche of not knowing how to win or learn and how not to lose, whatever it is.
21:12The Jets haven't figured that part out yet. You have the Bengals Dolphins.
21:16What you got? Yeah, the so the Bengals with the their inability to run like I think this is an important week
21:24for them to be able to try to run the ball because I think it's also fair to look at the teams
21:31that they've played so far and say like maybe the Bengals aren't as bad at running the ball as we think and
21:38maybe they shouldn't give up on it. And that has been a storyline with Joe Burrow saying we kind of seemingly sarcastically
21:46like well, maybe we just throw it more that there's been a lot of attention paid to their ability to run the
21:53ball and their need to run the ball. They haven't done it well yet because they're just starting to try to do it well.
22:01And they've gone up against three back to back to back really good run defenses.
22:06So I think that's going to jump out in this game for me seeing if they're going to be able to put
22:13together some sort of running attack also wasn't like as their defense.
22:17We all said they had to get the mediocre.
22:20They've done that through the strength of their defensive front.
22:24The secondary man is still like I way too many like missed assignments people running each other guys running free in the
22:31red zone stuff like that hasn't really gone away.
22:34So this is a team that their past defense is going to be predicated on their ability to to get pressure, which
22:41of course they should be able to in this game.
22:45And I would say on the other side, the thing that I'm most interested most interested in watching is those linebackers for the Dolphins Rodriguez.
22:53Rodriguez. Yeah, he's rocks. Yeah. Yeah. And Brooks. They're both really good.
22:57I think that I like they're good and young and they play like young players and that they're like first reaction linebackers.
23:04Yeah, if you're running what you're showing them you're running, they're going to kill it.
23:09Like if you do straight drop back, they are both really kind of smart and comfortable.
23:15In their zones, if you do play action and his man or play action have to get in a zone, they're going
23:22to be a little late to that. If you do some sort of counter action, they're going to be a little late to it.
23:30But if you run it at them, they're going to hit it.
23:34And I mean, I like Rodriguez. I wish it feels like he tackles more aggressively than he sheds blocks.
23:40A lot of people just sticking on him and he just can't really use the strength to get him off.
23:47But it's weird because when he hits somebody, no one moves.
23:51So I've enjoyed watching those two play and I would watch them again in this game a lot.
23:57But be interested in if they start to grow out of this play action is like first key overreact type of stuff that they have now.
24:05Just real quick, since we're talking dolphins who we never talk about on the other side.
24:11How about my guy Chris Bell? Some there. Yeah, definitely something there.
24:15And he's still not all the way healthy, I think.
24:18But that combination of like size, the way he moves with the ball in his hands.
24:23I think he is like potential to be like a pretty legit.
24:27Is this a fun season for like if you come in knowing that you're not serious?
24:33Is it fun to just watch by oh Rodriguez?
24:36Bell? All right, we got a little something or is it just annoying?
24:40I think you want to come out of this feeling good about like four or five young players that maybe you didn't before.
24:48Because you're any of Jordan Brooks was good. But like, yeah, you need like three or four players that you're really you're feeling good about.
24:56Um, for the Cincinnati offense really quick, though, I'd really like to see them.
25:01Ben and I got into this run the ball better than they have because they should be better than they've been running it.
25:08And they were better last year. So I think there's kind of a get right opportunity.
25:14Um, obviously, we're both taking the Bengals. Um, okay.
25:17Uh, I'm next. Boop, blarp, bloop. Uh, Colt Steelers is moi.
25:20Uh, so unfortunately for Indianapolis bad Daniel Jones under pressure has returned.
25:24We talked about this before the season, like how through the first eight weeks, he was like a God under pressure, like statistically like the best ever.
25:33And then that started to collapse. Thus far through this season, he is a, uh, off target rate of close to 40%
25:41when he is pressured, which is the second worst in the NFL, despite averaging 4.6 air yards per attempt.
25:47I will say, and I go up against a good Steelers pass rush.
25:51I will say, uh, Shane Steichen, I think is a very astute play caller.
25:56Throw on the Browns tape, buddy. Cause the, this Steelers offense, you can attack with quick defense for me, quick game screens,
26:03everything that Todd one can do should be in your playbook this week against the Steelers defense based on how they were tackling us last week.
26:12Yeah. Um, the Steelers defense, I do think obviously the strong suit of that Steelers team, you can't really trust the offense or rely on the offense.
26:21Um, but like that Colts defense is like, I, I don't know.
26:25Like I, this, I feel like this is one of the games I have a hard time wrapping my head around because
26:32you do see Aaron Rogers like occasionally. Oh, he can play.
26:36And I could, I can easily imagine Aaron Rogers slicing up this Colts defense because they're not good either.
26:42They're not good. Yeah. I think I have a little bit more confidence in the Steelers offense against the Colts defense than
26:50I do the other way around about the Colts offense against that Steelers defense.
26:54So I, I'm not sure who to pick in this game.
26:58I think I would lean, um, Steelers, but they had Colts could surprise us.
27:03They should. Okay. The Steelers should be able to run the ball on Indianapolis and they're good at it.
27:09The Steelers are a good running team. Indianapolis is a abysmal run defense.
27:13Like this is not rocket science. So I'm on Pittsburgh as well.
27:17Um, how did we do last week? I feel like we did badly and we like agreed on everything.
27:23And I, um, somebody in the comments, I have to keep track.
27:27Um, and my next with Texans, uh, Titans, you are next with the, uh, the great Texans Titans tilt to Oh, and
27:35four teams who gets off the Schneid. Yeah. I mean, the Texans look like a entirely different team with Nico Collins.
27:42Like he caught the first player. The game was a 45 yard pass.
27:46And then from then on out, like the other things open up and Nico kept kept kept kept catching deep digs.
27:53Like that offense looked entirely different with him out there.
27:56And this was kind of the first time that it felt like, um, or not the first time, I guess the Cowboys
28:04game was another time where it's like, can the defense like be close to what it was?
28:09And like creating a turnovers aren't going to happen.
28:12But obviously in this game, I think the defense will be great against the Titans.
28:17I saw in the, the Titans just coming up that game with the Ravens.
28:22Like I've been doing this a lot lately where I divide plays when I watch the game into successful and unsuccessful, whether
28:29they're rather than watching them in succession or watching them based on down.
28:34And I did that for the Titans just so I can like get my head.
28:39What, what is going well? What are they good at and what are they struggling at?
28:44And then I found that there's a lot more of cam ward good than I've seen for much of this season.
28:51It's just not enough, but it's like this doing stuff now, you know, it's, it's, it's like getting better.
28:57I think the question is like, is it getting better fast enough?
29:01And for it's similar to kind of like Bryce young, not this season, he's been awesome.
29:07But in previous seasons where it would be like one step forward, two steps back.
29:12And you're like, at what point can you start to like feel confident that he's building something?
29:17Titans offensive line has been decent. It's kind of crazy, not crazy, but like, you know, I, I think.
29:24I think there's part of it too, is like, he's, and I, this is true of every quarterback.
29:30I think I said this on your show, like two or three weeks ago.
29:34If you protect any quarterback in NFL, they're going to be able to complete consistent passes.
29:40And yeah, I, you see him back there with protection.
29:43And then even like through the, the scrambling cross body throws, like the stuff he did in Miami, that was most exciting in there too.
29:51But yeah, you can still see that there's stuff there.
29:55He's not completely dead as a prospect. I said that a bold week for me to say the Titans offensive line has been decent, obviously, but.
30:03It's Texans pass rush has not taken over games the way it did last year.
30:08I mentioned this on live, but against Dallas, they had the lowest quick pressure rate they've had since 2024 against Lamar.
30:15Some of that has to do with Dak stepping up in the pocket.
30:20That's that's if I have one piece of like a matchup thing for cam Ward step up against these passengers, step up
30:27because you know, the Hunter and Anderson jr. I think the Texans will win.
30:32But if you can step up, you can usually not usually, but we've seen these, but promise, you know, the quarterbacks we're
30:39talking about are Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Dak Prescott.
30:42Like, I think this Texans defense has been a little bit of a victim of schedule.
30:48And I think I think the Texans will win this game.
30:51So. Great. All right. Let's do a couple more before the break.
30:55We are both on Raiders pass the Raiders. The Raiders are real.
30:59Yeah, the Raiders are real. Yeah, I doing this.
31:02What was that? What's that? That's Kirk Cousins doing this.
31:06I mean, this last week, this is kind of it was a marquee game.
31:10So we all watched it in Kirk Cousins bald in that game and he hasn't been bad in the other games, but
31:18like he wasn't as good in the other games as he was in this game.
31:23Yeah, it's like kind of unfair where we parachute in and everyone's like, oh, the Raiders are for real.
31:29No, their defense has been turning the shit over all season long and rushing the fuck out of the passer.
31:36And and Kirk Cousins has been like, all right, I'll hit a bomb here.
31:40This well designed by Kubiak, but it's not in this game.
31:44He's doing these peel out throw across his body.
31:47Super athletic throws that he's never done before that.
31:50I'm the sound I made when he did that rolling to his life.
31:54Just like what the fuck? What is happening? Um, okay, so this is a little bit of a tough matchup for Vegas
32:02because I think New England's vulnerability is their run defense and Vegas does not have very good run game at the moment.
32:09Uh, but which inexplicably the bills didn't just run it down their throats.
32:13I don't understand that. Um, I am interested in this from a schematic perspective.
32:18I really want to see if Christian Gonzalez is back.
32:21If New England plays a lot of man coverage, I think I would.
32:26That's why would you? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, they played, I was surprised the amount of zone that they play, but I guess it's last week.
32:34But I guess it's because of like, Gonzalez and also like the, the idea that, um, they just want to be safer.
32:42Right. Like in, in those situations, but yeah, scramble in that game at all.
32:46So, but I mean that, that then you have the Bowers problem.
32:50And so if you go man, you have a Bowers challenge, uh, to face, but, um, yeah, I would expect them to play a lot more man.
32:59That's what they seem more comfortable doing. Anyway. It's what they want to do when they're healthy.
33:05Yeah. I, I think that they have enough talent in the secondary, especially because, you know, once you have Bowers settled, I
33:12think I like the rest of their matchups. I also like the idea of, I mean, they really cousins, the play under pressure feels a little bit unsustainable.
33:21So, uh, and I gotta say this new England pass rush better than I thought it was going to be headed into the season.
33:29They're getting contributions from the young players. Um, that game.
33:33Ackes was really good against Buffalo. Uh, Milton Williams also had some really exceptional plays.
33:38And, um, he's like Elijah ponders. His name is the other young defensive lineman.
33:42They all made pretty good plays against a good bills offensive line.
33:46Right. His offensive line has also been really good, but I, I think.
33:51I think the worst thing if you're in New England that you can do is just sit back in zone and like her cousins, carve you up.
34:00Like that's where I feel. Uh, other side of the ball is you.
34:04Yeah. Uh, the Patriots offense. Um, I was as excited as everyone about the return of Drake may.
34:10Um, I watched the tape and was less excited, honestly, like he still played well, but I felt like there was a lot.
34:18Uh, this was again, like the bills defense is not great.
34:21This game to me was about protection or that game was about protection and separation.
34:26Uh, it felt like, and I didn't check the numbers on this, but it felt like the, he was throwing to targets
34:34that were more open than they've been in the past.
34:37Um, especially since AJ Brown was hurt and he was protected a lot more.
34:42There was some pressure, but I mean, that's the, one of the tricky things about the pressure thing is sometimes it's invited.
34:49Um, which is why like quick pressure sometimes the better evaluator of like how they're protecting the quarterback because he didn't seem
34:56like he was under pressure a lot, but there were still some glimpses of those like that panic.
35:02Like, which is when I started to get off of the Drake may or consider getting off of the Drake may bus
35:10is like, all right, these were just all the big run of really great defenses, but he seems fine.
35:16It's just not working out. It was two weeks ago when I was like, Oh, he looks panicked.
35:22And in this game, he wasn't for most of the game, but there were still those plays where it was like, he
35:29looked panic and against a better defense, which is like from last year to start of the playoffs till this very game against the bills.
35:38He was going to some really good defenses and he was bad.
35:42So I think that I was a little bit less like glad that's behind us and more like, all right, can we do it again?
35:50And a little less panicky. Well, that actually, I think raises the question, which is, is do the Raiders have a great
35:57defense or how good is this Raiders defense? I view it as.
36:01How would I put this? It has strengths, but it's flawed.
36:05It's a flawed unit. The pass rush has been very good, and I do worry about Max Crosby versus Will Campbell in this game.
36:13He's been tremendous, but you can absolutely pick him apart in coverage that secondary has vulnerabilities.
36:18So I think to your point, it's really just about how do they handle pressure?
36:23How does may handle pressure? Is he still aggressive?
36:26I think that was the thing also that really struck me.
36:30I talked about this earlier in the week watching the pets is you talked about the scheme helping them.
36:36It felt like they kind of just like loosened up generally.
36:40The entire offense was like, you know what? We're going to attack.
36:44We're going to throw downfield. We're not going to just, you know, panic about pressure and they were going to like and
36:51may I did feel like showed more faith in his offensive line than he has thus far this season.
36:58So I think can the Raiders nuke that, you know, at the line of scrimmage?
37:03Because if not, I do think that he can pick him apart.
37:07Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough one. Yeah. I should take a look at the Jags playbook.
37:12I would say is they were managing to do some more max protection stuff and still create matchups against zone that I
37:19think would help Drake may tremendously like them in the Rams.
37:23I think it do a good job of that stuff.
37:26Yes. Definitely. San Francisco, too, is also really that keeping bodies in and attacking.
37:31Um, God, this on. I'm going Raiders. You're going Raiders?
37:34I think I'm going to go New England. I think I'm going to go New England here, but it's very close.
37:41But I really liked what I saw from this Patriots defense against Josh Allen.
37:46So this is close. Yeah. It came down to pressure for me.
37:50It's like, I think the Raiders are going to be able to get pressure.
37:55Maybe I'm going to go Raiders. Yeah, I know.
37:58They decide to max pro and send out like just a couple of receivers.
38:02And it's like, we were relying on Matt Hollins to be the game breaker, which he made some big plays in this game.
38:10But like that ain't it. And Chisholm, F and Chisholm.
38:13Like, you're right. I think I'm going to go Raiders, too.
38:17Back and forth. You can blame me when they lose.
38:20Yeah. Raiders flying back and Cody Dean's been so good, too.
38:24All right. You have Viking Saints. Yeah, this is about the Vikings offensive ceiling to me.
38:29And as honestly, like the rest of the season, it's about their ceiling and I'm willing to accept like some Kyler rust and whatever.
38:37But that offense wasn't good enough last week. They're still for no.
38:41The defense is obviously been carrying them up into this point.
38:45But the like their flaws, they're not because they are a very like scheme dependent defense.
38:50And there's not like a tremendous, like unbeatable, unblockable game breaker or shutdown corner that they are scheme dependent, which means that
38:58they're going to be some some issues. And I saw the Dolphins did a great job of like using a lot of trap zone trap running concepts.
39:07And when you are kind of blitz and bluff defense, the way that the Vikings are, it's like a single level.
39:13And they're like, we're going to crush you at here.
39:17So by what I mean by a single level, it's like there are few linebackers.
39:22There's not like another level. Once you get past that first line of defense and it's that is big play, which is why the traps work.
39:30They're like a hyper aggressive team. They'll let a lineman come through for free.
39:35And then you're on two different levels. Trap them big play.
39:39If you got a running back, that's capable. It's kind of.
39:42We'll see. Yeah, I don't think that the Saints do.
39:46Yeah. And the Kyler like it could be rusty took more sacks, which I guess like.
39:51That type of quarterback is going to take a good amount of sacks, but he took like four sacks and didn't get
39:58us the like explosive plays to go with it.
40:01He didn't seem like the burst like that was one of the most exciting things is like, all right, he can throw
40:09like he can pass as well as Sam Donald.
40:12Right. And then you add to it. He's explosive.
40:15Well, if we don't have that explosive, then the idea of this team being great is a little less enticing.
40:21Yeah, didn't attempt any deep passes against Miami. I was just I was trying to check Justin Jefferson status because I do think.
40:29While you check that status, I got some notes on the Saints, too.
40:33And watch that game. It felt like their aggressiveness, their offensive aggressiveness hurt them in the last game.
40:39And if you miss on shots on every drive and you're three and out and then you can't get stops like you get behind early.
40:48I thought that way, too, because they couldn't run the ball and everyone knew it.
40:53And it's an interesting I think I named some of them, right?
40:57There's like. I know I did. There's there's probably like six or seven teams right now in the NFL just can't run the ball.
41:05Yeah, Green Bay, New Orleans, Houston, and their inability to do so in how offensive play callers try to mitigate that is
41:12like one of the more interesting storylines to me.
41:15And I thought with New Orleans against Atlanta in particular, given how surprisingly strong their pressure has been, it would be a
41:22lot of quick game, a lot of just like let's just get the ball out of Tyler Shucks hands.
41:29And I was surprised by how many longer developing shot plays there were.
41:33And to his credit, he hit some of them, man.
41:36He hit some tough throws, but like they just you can't live that way, especially when you're getting killed on the other side of the ball.
41:45Right. Yeah, that's the that's the key part is that you weren't get you were getting the ball back down seven more
41:52down three more down seven more than you miss a field goal next thing, you know, 24 to seven and a half.
42:00And not that you could run the ball anyway, which like I explain how the traps in the run game would work.
42:07But like this ain't Alvin Kamara of 10 years ago.
42:10It is a different Alvin Kamara. So I'm not sure that he's going to break one off like Ali Gordon.
42:17The line is really not good right now in New Orleans.
42:21It's a shame because I still like I don't think I'm out on the quarterback at all.
42:26I just think the circumstances are pretty awful. And now you get to put in Brian Flores as his torture chamber.
42:33So would love to see more from this Vikings offense to your point.
42:38Interesting watching New Orleans get run on Vikings. One of the odd things to me has been that they haven't been a better rushing team with Kyler Minnesota.
42:47So, you know, I think Aaron Jones looks a little bit better in this last game.
42:52There's an opportunity here now based on how this New Orleans defense has defended the run to really because I think for
43:00Vikings, you know, like you can't just be the occasional Kyler deep shot.
43:04You really need something to hang your hat on on offense.
43:08And if they can get this run game, I think clicking a little bit, then you start to feel better about the total picture.
43:16I will take the Saints or the Vikings here.
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44:24I watched the Giants Cardinals game last night on my flight back.
44:28And I just want to take a moment to talk about Arvel Reese.
44:32Here's the things that happened in the Cardinals game.
44:35He hit Jacoby Brissett, forcing the interception. He intercepted a ball himself, kind of a right place, right time situation.
44:42He tackled Tyler Algier on third and eight flat, preventing third down.
44:46He reversed for a TFL at one point. I don't know how he did it.
44:51But my favorite play of all was on second and 10.
44:55Doesn't show up in the box score. He's lined up off the ball.
44:59He blitzes. Swims over the guard with ease. And then after beating him, Mutembo's the ball with so much violence.
45:06It almost goes out of bounds. The sound I made watching that play.
45:10Yeah. Um, just everything you could have hoped this bad performance.
45:13You could have hoped for when you thought about him.
45:17I love the way Denard Wilson is using him.
45:20Now he's on, he's off the ball. Coupled with, uh, Abdu Carter went nuclear in this game.
45:25He had eight quick pressures. You talk about quick pressure, not eight pressures, eight quick pressures, uh, which is the most of
45:33any in a game this season, according to next gen stats.
45:36It's hard to not get excited about this giants front watching those two guys.
45:41Dominique. I'd put on top of the Arbel Reese thing is in the first couple of weeks, he seemed so uncomfortable and in zone drops.
45:49He's gotten better. Oh yeah. He had a couple of really nice ones in this game too.
45:55Which is like they, the Cowboys were, were giving my man fits and he's gotten so much better in that.
46:02And to your point, yeah, that that's, it's exciting.
46:05And the way this division is shaken out, like it's pretty sad that they lost their quarterback and they don't have like a real replacement.
46:13Cause this, like I would be picking them. I think probably to win this division now, maybe not.
46:19I might still go with the Cowboys, but they already beat the Cowboys.
46:23But yeah, right now it's like, ah, this quarterback thing on vitamin ass sooner or later.
46:29Jane Daniels is back in this game. It will be an interesting matchup on that side of the ball because before Daniels got hurt, he was playing well.
46:38I am interested in seeing what he looks like his comfort level, whether it's a lot of the game.
46:44Whether he runs in this game. Um, I would have taken New York.
46:49If it Daniels wasn't playing, if it was backup on backup, but I'm going to take Washington because of how Daniels looked before he got hurt.
46:57That sentence before Daniels got hurt, he was playing well.
47:01It's like a three times a season sentence that we could throw out.
47:05Cause he always plays well. It's so, it's so upsetting because it's like, he's out there.
47:10It's like, Oh no, he wanted him do. It's like one of them.
47:15And then he goes down. Yeah. Are you all?
47:18What? Yeah. Um, uh, I'm going Washington. Okay. Sunny styles.
47:21Are real Reese. Yeah. Sunny's been awesome too. And the rookie class is good.
47:26A lot of defensive players. Yeah. And the fake Flores defense that they run in, uh, wash the commanders is better than I anticipated.
47:34I like this team. They're fun. They're more fun to watch than, um, I think I thought coming in.
47:40All right. Bears Packers. Yeah. Um, I, this to me comes down to if, uh, the Packers are going to be able
47:47to commit to stop the run and force Tyson Bajan to, to throw the ball.
47:52But I gotta be honest, looking at Tyson's passing throughout that last game was really good too.
47:58And knowing, but the reason why I thought about it is like the Eagles, the Eagles managed to force, they managed to
48:05stop the bears rushing attack and managed to force, uh, them to throw and they still threw the ball effectively, but that wasn't Tyson Bajan.
48:14I assume that he can, but like, that's their only hope of winning, especially, um, given that the bears are more than
48:21willing to never give you the ball like they did to the jets last week.
48:26And, uh, if you let them run the ball, then you're going to get the ball for 17 minutes and not have any chance.
48:34So this to me feels like a commit game.
48:37The green Bay Packers offense. Isn't, I mean, it's again, it's a, there's these recurring themes through the season.
48:43It's like, you can't run the ball and, uh, they don't have a particularly strong offensive line.
48:49Like I, I don't feel great about their offense right now.
48:53Yeah. Yeah. And I, I'm a complete Ben Johnson believer.
48:56So, uh, there's nothing that this defense does that suggested me that they're not going to be able to, that the bears
49:03aren't going to be able to, to, um, move the ball.
49:07It's a weird one for the jets. They like barely possess the football.
49:11Yeah. Gino attempted 15 passes. Um, on those 15 passes, he was pressured 50% of the time, which bears the question.
49:18Do I owe Chicago's defense and apology? Yeah, we all do.
49:22If we all owe him apology, do we have to apologize?
49:26Um, they owe us an apology for lying. Before the season, I was like, Ben Johnson.
49:31Incredible. This offense. Uh, you know, incredible. I thought this defense would be horrendous.
49:36And honestly, I'm not, it's too early in the season to make a strong, do strong takes, but they're not horrendous.
49:43They're absolutely not. They are absolutely good enough for this team.
49:46Um, and I'll dig into it when we get to a better game.
49:51Uh, some of the individual performances and, and like who has surprised me and whatnot, but like, this is definitely significantly better than I thought it would be.
50:00And I think that bear is mentioning Dennis Allen broken, actually cook.
50:04Uh, we knew that. All right. I'm taking the, I'm taking the bears here.
50:09Yeah. I'm with you. Bears. Ezra and Cooper getting hurt.
50:12Brutal. Saw that sucks. This is such a weird season for green Bay because it's like, well, if they tread water until
50:19if they win a couple or when, maybe if they win this one, the Micah comes back, maybe, you know, we'll see.
50:27Um, Jordan love was just throwing the ball super quick last week.
50:31It's Tampa. So we'll see if that repeats. I have Broncos chargers divisional matchup, the, uh, defeated chargers at the moment.
50:38Um, I am going to say something nice about the chargers that lends itself to my matchup key.
50:44Took me a while to get to the game of the Seahawks front kind of got after it in that game.
50:51Cleo Mack to Lee. Uh, I thought tire tart was very good.
50:55Diane Henley as a blitzer, Sam Donald was under pressure quite a bit.
50:59Bo Nix, uh, has been really struggled when he's pressured this year.
51:03I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He, there were a couple of times where there was an open man, 20 yards downfield intermediate routes.
51:10He was not under pressure and Bo Nix was like, nah, let me take this check down.
51:16And that. So that's probably the real key. Cause the charges defense.
51:20The other thing I noticed about Seattle while they were getting pressure, still massive zone voids to attack Seattle killed them with crossers.
51:27Uh, there was actually like I, one of the bows, like there was, I forget who it was.
51:33Somebody ran across her and he just didn't throw the ball.
51:37And you saw Sam Donald, like hit that exact throw against LA.
51:41He's got to hit that grow though. Like that's, especially this, this charges defense is better against the run than the pass.
51:48Um, he has to attack downfield for this to work.
51:52So yeah, that's, um, other side of the bottom.
51:55This is a hard one. No lad McConkey. This using this is hard.
51:59I'm taking Denver, Denver's defense against LA without lad McConkey, please.
52:03Uh, um, the reason why it's a hard one to pick is because I just finished watch.
52:08Cause I know that this team is down both their starting corners, which it's a team that builds their defense a lot
52:16around their corners, being able to handle a lot of pressure.
52:19I get that. They don't have receivers to attack them, but that combined with the fact that Bo Nix will not throw the ball to open people.
52:28It's like, what is, what is going on? I guess I should believe the longer history of Bo Nix, not just last week's Bo Nix, but.
52:37No, no, it's fair. It's fair that the corners, I should have mentioned that.
52:42Yes. Although I'm scared to mention that around San Francisco 49ers fans this week.
52:46Apparently it can never be mentioned, but yes, they did lose their starting corners.
52:51Um, but it's a unique situation is what I, this is to me, at least this is tantamount to the, the Texans losing their pass rushers.
53:00Like the Texans defense is built around the fact that they have those pass rushers.
53:05If you take them out, you can't do the same things.
53:08This defense is built around the fact that you have one corner that you can put on any receiver in the whole league and feel okay.
53:17And another corner that you feel comfortable with. So that like changes the defense to some degree to me.
53:23Yeah. A lot of pressure on that Denver front to take over this game.
53:28Zach Allen against that interior. Right. I do like Zach Allen there.
53:32Um, they lost for Sean Slater. All right. Right.
53:35I'm going chargers. Even without Slater or Sean Slater.
53:38Yep. High ankle spring four to six weeks. Let me look at this chargers offensive line.
53:43This is who you're betting on right now. I need, I need the, uh, okay.
53:48I got a feeling. Please tell me it's not like Trey.
53:52I can't, I can't profess the importance of corners and have a team have two corners go down and think they're going to win.
54:00Corners matter. So I'm picking. Chargers offensive line is a crime against humanity at the moment.
54:05I'm looking at. It's not good. Even without the, I mean, this is rough, dude.
54:10I'm looking at it right now. Let me just make sure.
54:14Okay. Week four Taylor. Taylor Slaughter Spomer. Strange Burke.
54:17Who are these people? I know some of them.
54:20Jeez. Yeah, I can't do it. I'm taking Denver.
54:23Please go the ball downfield. All right. You have lions Cardinals.
54:27All right. I got lions Cardinals. Like this to me is sacks and turnovers is going to decide this game.
54:33The, I was surprised by Jacoby percent who normally is a guy who is like conservative.
54:39He's not going to turn the ball over or get sacked a bunch.
54:43He had that issue recently. Um, like the, it's been really disappointing to watch.
54:48I feel like in my mind, I'm starting to group the Eagles and the lions in the same spot for different reasons.
54:55Like the lions defense is falling apart, but like the lions were a team that was like, look, if nothing else, we can run the ball.
55:04It's like, you're seeing them deteriorate into a different version of themselves.
55:08They still can put up numbers and still have an impressive and explosive offense.
55:12But like the cornerstone was, and maybe it's because it's both about offensive line largely that I grouped them and the Eagles
55:20together is watching this team was like, they aren't the same.
55:23Like I hand the ball to Jameer Gibbs and let him do something special.
55:28You just aren't seeing that as much. And that like concerns me about them.
55:33But I do think that the, obviously I think the Cardinals will be able to move the ball on them as long
55:40as they can keep Hutch off of, off of, um, uh, uh, uh, yeah.
55:45Uh, yeah. I mean, Bryce was great on Sunday night and we gave him his flowers, but like.
55:51Yeah. It's like, this is so bad dude on the back end.
55:55Like it is, I, we had like a stat I, or Ben posted this that like, they've given up the most yards
56:02under pressure or maybe like the fourth, most of any team ever when, when they get pressure, pardon me.
56:08So it's not even like. They're succeeding when the pass rush wins.
56:12It is really rough. Um, that said this Cardinals defense is really struggling right now.
56:17And, you know, I think I have enough confidence in golf and the run game to, to, to, to, even if it's
56:25a, who holds the pen last kind of situation.
56:28But I think that there'll be, it'll be enough.
56:31You can get a couple of drives where you can get some stops.
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58:24So I'm taking the lines. Niners, Seahawks. I have the Niners offense.
58:28You have the Seahawks offense. I'll go first. All right.
58:31So this is what I was trying to look up before.
58:35So my key for the game is can you can and it's not just about the line.
58:40It's about a lot of things. But can Brock Purdy avoid getting hit in this game?
58:46So I looked this up just now. Since the beginning of the 2025 season, there have been one, two, three, four, five
58:53games where Brock Purdy has been hit 10 or more times.
58:57Three of those five games are against Mike McDonald Seahawks.
59:00He has been unsackable this season through a combination of things.
59:04I think one is his play. He plays fast.
59:07The offense gets the ball out of his hands.
59:10I also think the Niners offensive line has been really good.
59:13Trent Williams freaking blanked Nick Bonito, by the way, this last game.
59:17So you go up against the Seahawks pass rush that comes into this game.
59:22I believe leading the league in pass rush win.
59:25Although Leonard Williams is someone to monitor because he got banged up last week.
59:30This is it for me because I just feel like in those games, he takes so much abuse and there's reasons for that.
59:37But if if Brock Purdy can avoid getting hit the way he has so far this season, then I think that they can move the ball on them.
59:47But if not, and Mike McDonald has come up with some unbelievably, you know, brilliant game plans for this offense in particular,
59:54then you can see a similar result to what we've seen.
59:58Yeah. The other side of the ball, like the Seahawks offense, I didn't get the fun assignment this time, but they it's
60:05like a lot of screens and an explosive dependent offense.
60:08And then I also look back at the last time that they played each other.
60:13And I've forgotten that last year it felt like they were hiding Sam Darnold in the second game.
60:19The first game, Sam had some turnover issues in that game.
60:23Week one. Yeah, this is it feels like the kind of, you know, you're a division and you can't you can kind of throw out other expectations.
60:32You know, this is going to be a tough low scoring physical game.
60:36The looking like closely at the 49ers defense. I was trying to like figure out differences and you have to watch their
60:44defense to see the differences because statistically they don't.
60:47They're not that different than they were in the past as far as like what they still.
60:52And it makes me think that there are some things that Kyle Shanahan as an offensive mind just wants his defense to do.
61:00And they still play a lot of three and a lot of four.
61:04They on early downs, they seem like want to keep you in front and and get you to a third down where
61:12this is where the uniqueness comes up is they do have with solid was just like rush for let's go.
61:18Now it's like a little bit more Sims, a little bit more mugging some more games.
61:24It's more like designed to create ways to get pressure when you don't have a great pass rush that can just win on every snap.
61:32So that's been interesting. The reason why I'm rambling and bring all that up is because to me at least that opens
61:39up an opportunity because it's the first time they're going up against this was Raheem Morris led defense.
61:45Right. It opens. Yeah. Yeah. It opens up some opportunity for a different outcome because in the past it was so stagnant
61:53and so base where I said a different outcome because I could see it working.
61:58Yeah, I can also see it like failing miserably and watching JSN run through the secondary.
62:03So my flurry's there too, who was in San Francisco for a right?
62:07Yeah, the three games. I don't know. It's a lot of mics.
62:11The three games. It's Brian. Yeah, the they put up 17 or 13 points week one.
62:17They put up actually 13 points in both weeks one and two.
62:21They just want 13 to three and then the division game.
62:24The Niners are very hurt. The Seahawks pounded the points on them or the playoff game.
62:30But Kenneth Walker. Yep. Went crazy in that game.
62:3319 carries 6.1 yards per carry 63% success rate.
62:36Sure. Everybody ran on them. I'm looking at these numbers.
62:39The CS can't run the ball right now. And I keep pounding this, but that to me San Francisco is 31st in success rate against the run.
62:48It's a major problem with this team. I don't think it's a problem that Seattle can.
62:53I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think it's a problem that they can take advantage of.
62:59So look, Jason's going to get his flurry is going to come up with some explosives to your point.
63:06I just wonder if the adult might run into some three and outs because of their inability to run the ball.
63:13And this might be the year that Kaushanian comes up with the solutions, especially if Leonard Williams doesn't play.
63:19I know this sounds cowardly. If I knew Leonard Williams was playing, I think I would feel a lot better.
63:25But his absence really does give me pause the way Purdy's been playing the lack of sacks.
63:31I'm taking San Francisco here. But it's it's just, you know, it feels early in the season.
63:37And I think that the thing about both teams is I'm not quite sure where things are settling with the particularly with the Niners defense in the offense.
63:46And we know what the other side of the ball is.
63:50Yeah, I mean, it's they I know where she's been in the backfield before, but that play with him in the backfield
63:57last week, as good as it was. It made me think it made me think, oh, y'all desperate, huh?
64:03You miss K-9 so, so much. You bring in and Joe Mixon for physical nailing him like there's a lot going on.
64:11It does feel like some desperation. But yeah, I think I'm leaning forward.
64:15I could go either way, honestly. But yeah, I'm leaning 49ers.
64:19It's in Seattle. Purdy really has struggled against Seahawks.
64:22So this is a bet that they've they're going to solve something here.
64:26Also, San Francisco's ability to run the ball is a big deal because last year their run game was really bad.
64:33And I'm looking at some of these Seahawks performing.
64:36I mean, but the Seahawks run defense is still so awesome.
64:40It's so sick. Seahawks defense is still awesome. They're still really good.
64:44I guess that's what I should do is go with the unit I trust the most.
64:49I know. But the Niners offense is so good.
64:52The Broncos kind of had their number until for a good chunk of that game, though, but that's, you know, I just
64:59like bird purdy to bounce back because last week man was way off target.
65:04Not allowed to say anything negative. Why not? You can't tell them the truth.
65:09Niners. I got dragged by Niners. I mean, aren't they like all in the optimization out there?
65:14It's like they they count their sleep score shit.
65:17So even when you have a good night's sleep, sometimes it could be better.
65:22Also, just like be honest. He's been awesome this year.
65:25Like we don't have to you don't have to lie to kick it.
65:30All right. Ravens Falcons. I'm assuming Lamar Jackson doesn't play in this game, which is why I'm not doing both sides.
65:37Um, I'm actually I'm gonna go focus on the other side of the ball here because through two weeks Ben and I got into this in depth.
65:46The Falcons are looking like a juggernaut on offense.
65:49Um, and the Ravens defense has been mixed. Yeah, I wouldn't say that they're there.
65:54It's not bad, but it's not. Yeah, but it's not.
65:57They're playing under their abilities. I feel I would say it's disappointing.
66:01It's not bad, but it's disappointing given. Yeah, man.
66:04Who's who's who's not disappointing Seattle? 49ers aren't. Diana's defense isn't disappointing.
66:08Yeah, they're overachieving Hendrickson, by the way, who's been good into very disruptive has a fit had a finger procedure.
66:15I wonder if he'll be back for this one.
66:18It's unclear. Um, I did think Matt a big gay this week showed up and that was Ravens enter week five shrouded in uncertainty.
66:26Okay, that's the help. Um, in any case, uh, let's talk about this.
66:30So the Ravens defense has been. First in EPA play and first success rate against play action this year.
66:36They have played, um, the Cowboys, right? So this is not like it's only been softballs.
66:42Colts have a good run game. You know, they did run on them.
66:46They do over index similar to Jesse Mitchell's chargers on stopping the pass.
66:50I think that's part of the reason why they've been good against play action.
66:55If you play 12 personnel, they'll match it with nickel.
66:58They play a lot of light boxes. Don't think you can do that against John Robinson.
67:04So I am really interested in Jesse mentor of it all like this week.
67:08What's your plan, bro? Like you gotta come up.
67:11You gotta have a plan. We've seen now two weeks of panic and his play action passing attack.
67:17It's bombs away downfield. We've seen B John just absolutely carve up two defenses in a row.
67:23So what, what is your plan to stop the Falcons rushing attack this week?
67:28I think it's going to be key to all of this.
67:31I do think this is one of those like game plan games.
67:35Like you have a defensive minded head coach. Like this is one you have to win on the game plan, especially when
67:43you have a backup quarterback, you can't trust your offense to be as prolific as it's been.
67:48And if Lamar is not going to be there to me, what jumps out to me as something you want to target.
67:56Of course you want to stop B John, but out, out breaking routes like Michael Penix hates the middle of the field.
68:03And it's funny because so many of the modern defenses are built in cover for and all that stuff is like, we want to have good safeties.
68:12We want to win down the middle of the field.
68:15This Ravens defense, like all their best players are like, right.
68:19Especially now that matter BK is healthy again, they're like right down the middle of the field.
68:25But that matters less to me. If you look through all the Penix's throws through the past couple of weeks, like I
68:32think his first throw in that Packers game was like a dig that got intercepted.
68:37And he hadn't thrown back in there since. Like it's just all sevens and fives, just outbreak and stuff and comebacks and quick.
68:45It's just, that'd be my thing. It's like, you're scared to go into paint.
68:49I'm a, we're sitting outside and we're going to force you to throw inside there.
68:54Yeah. The play action passing attack is very oriented towards, like you said, deep outbreakers, sale to Drake London corners.
69:01He's really good. He's really accurate to throwing that ball.
69:04So, and that because of their run game is so dominant right now, the play, he's, he, he's really got time.
69:11Right. So yeah. Very interested in how they approach the play action pass from a pressure perspective.
69:17Do they blitz it, you know, and how does Atlanta respond to that?
69:21That's something we've seen defenses have a lot of success doing as of late.
69:26Uh, could see Kyle Hamilton being a massive part of that, both the terms of like run blitzes and getting pressure.
69:33Um, this is hard with, I would pick the Ravens if they had Lamar with Tyler Huntley.
69:38It's hard for me to pick them. I think I'm going to go Atlanta.
69:43Wow. Yeah. Uh, he's fine. Yeah. But this idea that the Ravens right now are not like a plug and play offense.
69:50They're just, it's not like, this is not a situation where you put the quarterback in and things like Lamar's playing out of his mind.
69:59And didn't flowers get hurt too towards the end of that game?
70:03Yeah. Let me double check that. He's so, he's been so sick.
70:07Also that dude, Declan Doyle is so good at, Yeah.
70:10Did you see that? Um, they had a linebacker every damn play.
70:14How do you get them on linebackers all the time?
70:17They had like a play action screen with like, uh, a, uh, a tight end like sneak route.
70:23I'll send it to you. It was amazing. You can take Atlanta.
70:27Uh, Nope. Baltimore. Okay. Last game. Bill's Rams banger.
70:30Why did I football be here? Uh, you can go first here.
70:34Rams offense against the bills defense that as you alluded to has not been that great.
70:40Yeah. I mean, the Rams offense hasn't been great either.
70:43Uh, but I expect them to be good in this game.
70:47Like they, this is one of those teams that does actually run the ball really well and breaks a bunch of tackles.
70:54Like that was the story of the game to me.
70:57It was the, um, Williams breaking so many tackles and important times because they're deep.
71:02It was yeah, their defense was in and also attacking those, those linebackers.
71:07Um, and that Eagles game. And I think that they'll have the same success doing that in this particular game.
71:13And we know that, uh, the bill still haven't quite figured out that defense.
71:18This feels like, um, an easier choice for me.
71:21And the more interesting stuff is happening on the other side of the ball.
71:26My key for the bills offense against LA. And I'm, and I'm gonna say this after watching back the bills Patriots game yesterday.
71:33Um, I want the bills to do all of the things they didn't do in that game.
71:39I know that sounds weird, but like there were decisions.
71:42If that makes sense. I'm not, and there are things that the bills are capable of doing on offense.
71:49Yeah. One running the football. I just, I'm not a run the ball person.
71:53You know me, I'm always the next day being like, well, on this drive, you're ignoring the fact that they had a penalty.
72:01No, they should have run the ball in that game.
72:04Uh, Josh Allen. I thought the Patriots did some things to stop him on the ground.
72:10He actually had his lowest rushing output in like a couple of years.
72:14It's crazy. They played a lot of zone. We talked about that.
72:18They had a spy on him here and there.
72:21He got to run more and gotta have it games.
72:24And that's, that was what surprised me against New England and a close game like that.
72:30I'm so used to Josh Allen taking off. It'll be interesting to see if Chris Shula plays more man coverage again, but
72:37if he does, I better see number 17, uh, uh, taken off.
72:41And then I thought again, just to go back to that game, Don Kincaid was like a non factor, you know?
72:48And, and again, Pat's did a good job. It's playing.
72:51I thought it did a good job cutting the safeties were good on him, but you have to do it.
72:58You have to find he is, he's your biggest weapon.
73:01And I think against this Rams defense, um, you know, we've seen teams go after the safeties a bit in coverage, the
73:09backers, Dalton Kincaid has to be a much bigger part of the game plan.
73:13Um, you brought up 17. It just reminded me when I was watching that game, the value of like a veteran receiver
73:21is also saving you from throwing pick sixes. And I know it's hard.
73:25You can't completely save Matt Stafford from that, but there were two separate occasions in there where, um, Quinone was sitting on
73:32routes and Devante positioned his body and did an extra inside move.
73:36That was completely normally like definitely, obviously not in the playbook.
73:40It was like two times where Quinone is going the other way and Matt Stafford just trust and throws it over there.
73:47That has nothing to do with this game. It's just, it jumped out to me as something that is like worth recording
73:55and sending to somebody who plays receiver. Like he's saving his ass on these plays and still catching them.
74:01Um, yeah, back to the other side of the ball.
74:04Yeah. I had nothing to add other than like the McDermott decision is looming over everything for me.
74:10Whereas the beginning of the season, it was like, it feels to me and correct me if I'm wrong that this feels
74:18like they wanted to take the reins off. And McDermott being a defensive mind was like a more conservative, conservative guy.
74:25Yeah. And in the first couple of weeks, it was like, see, we're right.
74:29Yeah. Last couple of weeks. It's felt like, ah, maybe not.
74:33So I watched all games through that prism. It, but, but this, the funny thing is like Joe Brady got the job
74:40because he was the run the ball guy. Like they thought Ken Dorsey was too pass happy.
74:46And here comes Joe Brady. And he's like, we're a dominant running team.
74:50We're going to run the football makes everything better.
74:53And in most games he is. So I don't think I'm leaping to any conclusions yet.
74:59I just thought against the Pats. Yeah. There were multiple points where I was like, bro, James Cook is killing it.
75:06Like, and by the way, you can actually say the same about the Rams in a few, a few games this year.
75:13We were like, you guys are mowing them down.
75:16Just hand the rock out. Like these are the bills and the Rams have two of the five best rushing attacks in football.
75:23Yeah. It almost feels like, okay, which of these coaches going to overthink this one?
75:28Cause yeah. I mean, I think the Rams have a better defense in Buffalo, but for the Joe Brady of it, it's
75:36not to me that they don't run the ball.
75:39It's that they have more designed explosives than they had in the past.
75:43It's true. In the past, it felt like they were protecting their defense and a defensive mother head coach is like, keep the ball, do this.
75:52And this one is like, let's blow this. Let's blow this thing up.
75:56Shout out Keon Coleman. He was great in that game.
75:59He was. People should give him some credit cause obviously he's taking a lot of grief.
76:05But yeah, I, with that said, I want to see a lot more Kincaid in this one.
76:10Yeah. Um, yeah. Cause the other side of the ball, I just think the Rams, I think the bills offense against the Rams defense is a fun matchup.
76:20I think the Rams offense against this bill's major mismatch.
76:23Yeah. I mean, Pukeniku against those corners. Yeah. He looked a little, he didn't look quite himself yet, but he still, isn't it funny though?
76:31He didn't look himself. And then you look at the stat line and you're like, yeah, I know.
76:37I know. And then you look at all the important plays and on that fourth quarter drive is like him and Williams.
76:45Like, yeah, he's really important, but I'm also like, ah, he was doing all those inserts, which went in the, um, the Jags game.
76:53We didn't talk about that either, but they were doing a lot of those receiver inserts to run the ball, which.
77:00Yeah. Uh, everybody. Not a cheat code. If you have a receiver that kid that's comfortable blocking safeties and linebackers.
77:06Everybody in Jacksonville blocks. I love them. Uh, yeah, right.
77:10No, I was like, after the Rams game, I was like, I'm going to talk about Kyron Williams and how he was
77:17the best offensive player in this game, which he was great.
77:21But then I looked and I was like, Puka had 125 yards.
77:25And a rushing touchdown. He's a freak. All right.
77:28That's it for this week. He's got to go.
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