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0:25From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. Welcome back to The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny, the only NFL podcast where one
0:31of the hosts pronounces it George Kittle. That's Lenny.
0:34I'm Mina Kimes. Here to join me for her first time in a minute.
0:38Shilka Patia, the host, one of the hosts of The Ringer NFL Show.
0:42Welcome back. Thanks for having me. I feel like last time I was here we were ranking some coaches and I already
0:49might have some regrets about where I had Jim Harbaugh, but we don't need to talk about that.
0:54We got week four here coming up. Ooh, now I want to revisit those rankings.
0:59I feel like Reid might be one where he was still high, but we demoted him a little bit.
1:05He might be climbing back up into the rankings.
1:07I think we were both very high in Ben Johnson, and that certainly has aged well.
1:12Yes, feel good about that one. Okay, so as always, we're here to preview the games.
1:17Week four, the quarter point is the, yeah, it's almost, it sort of is the quarter point, whatever.
1:23It's quick math. Of the NFL season, starting to get a little bit more of a feel for these teams.
1:29Some, some good games. Honestly, I, my process is like I do all the schedule and then I send whoever I'm with
1:35the, the games where I think like both of us should cover a side.
1:40And I had like seven and I had to, I always try to get it down to five, but it was hard.
1:46There was some hard cuts, Sheil. There was one that we'll get to later that I think if you were doing this
1:53like before the season, there's no chance you would have thought that, you know, I'll just say it now.
1:59Yeah. I don't know that Raiders chiefs. We would have thought would have been a prolific matchup in week four, but that's, what's fun about it.
2:07There you go. Raiders chiefs. Um, Ben asked me the line on that and I missed, I thought it would be closer than it was.
2:14He had me guess it. And the chiefs were favored on Tuesday by four and a half.
2:19In Vegas, which actually I was like, wow. Okay.
2:22A lot of chiefs respect. Fair enough. All right.
2:25So, uh, I did not give us both Thursday night football.
2:28I just gave it to myself. Two teams coming off of wins though.
2:32An AFC North when, uh, I think last week when they advertised this game, I believe they put up Aaron Rogers and Denzel Ward.
2:39You could always tell a Thursday night game maybe doesn't have like the star power.
2:44If it's not two quarterbacks, and they're just like, Oh, should we do?
2:48But, um, I, I will say this, this game does have more intrigue, particularly after the wins, the Browns we talked about at Tuesday at length.
2:56Uh, I'm I it's just, one's just me. I've got the matchup or I've got the key and I'll just throw it to you.
3:03Shield is week three Rogers for real is what I want to put out there.
3:08So I know you're gonna have thoughts on that, but last week, Aaron Rogers threw for almost a hundred yards under pressure.
3:14That is the most he has thrown under pressure since September, 20, 24th, 24, pardon me.
3:19It is the third most in the last four years since he has started playing or since he has been on, he
3:26was on the jets and, and the Steelers. Um, and I will say again, like he did a lot of things last
3:33week against Cincinnati that I just haven't seen him do in a while.
3:37He threw under pressure. He threw a little bit on the move.
3:40He was throwing downfield. So here we go. Uh, they shredded man coverage against Cincinnati.
3:45Cleveland plays the fourth most man coverage in the NFL.
3:48Can you do it again? Aaron, what do you think?
3:51He did. He was fantastic last week. Yeah. I was watching it.
3:54Cause sometimes I think I caught up with that game, uh, the next day and I saw the numbers.
4:00I'm like, all right, is this, you know, the couple of screens here and there.
4:05And I was like, no, he actually, like you said, pushing the ball downfield, looked mobile, looked athletic.
4:10I think with older athletes, it's like not just football, but older athletes.
4:14There's always like that one time they can get to that point, you know, and they kind of suck you back in
4:21and you're like, Oh, I remember when that person was incredible, but for a 17 game season in football, it's a lot harder.
4:28So was it real? I feel like maybe there's a flash here and a flash there throughout the rest of the season.
4:35I don't think he's going to play close to that level just because it's kind of unprecedented at 42 years old, unless you're Tom Brady.
4:42So I would say the odds are against that, especially on a short week here going up against what looks like a feisty Browns defense.
4:50I would expect it to look a little, little bit different this week.
4:54Sure. We come back to earth a little bit.
4:56The one thing that I do think is sustainable and I'm interested in seeing if it also repeats, uh, this week is
5:03Mike McCarthy calling like a surprisingly weird and fun offense.
5:06Like that was so part of my shock was like Aaron Rogers doing that under pressure.
5:11And then the other part, I mean, the Steelers coming out in a full house formation and then getting that screen to
5:18Warren for 30 yards with Friar moose blocking downfield, Benny Sko's you call him that right?
5:23Slytherin through the V gap on the play action touchdown, all the things he was doing to attack the man coverage with bunch concepts in motion.
5:30Like the Steelers offense was legitimately creative and fun to watch in week three.
5:35That to me feels like something that Mike McCarthy can keep doing at least old head coaches having a moment.
5:41Some are saying, I mean, you know, we'll get to Andy Reed, but Mike McCarthy, everyone thought these guys were washed before the season.
5:48I certainly would never said anything close to that, of course, but you know, some people might've been saying, and yeah, he was good.
5:55There were guys wide open. They were scheming stuff open.
5:58You're at, you're absolutely right. Um, now the first two weeks, they were like the worst offense in the NFL.
6:04So let's look at the three game sample. Let's look, let's see what it looks like going forward.
6:10Made some changes on the offensive line. Got he Hanachor in there, uh, the first round pick.
6:15So maybe it's somewhere in between what we saw the first two weeks and last week.
6:20Yeah. I don't know. Uh, you mentioned old guys kind of coming out of nowhere or having resurgences.
6:25I said earlier this week, I was not buying any Deshaun Watson resurgence after revisiting the tape.
6:31Do you feel however, and that was against Carolina defense.
6:34This is against a much Pittsburgh, better Pittsburgh defense.
6:36Um, in terms of just like, I, I'm sure the Steelers are favorite.
6:40I don't have it front of me, but like, do you think the Browns office can get it going against them?
6:47Or are you just heavy? Are you, are you picking Pittsburgh here?
6:50Yeah, no, we, we did a ringer NFL episode and they were like, you know, Deshaun Watson at least looks like mediocre.
6:57And I'm like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
7:00Let's pump the brakes. I mean, he was like nine for 20 for 61 yards in the first three quarters.
7:06He threw for 144 yards. He had three turnover worthy plays that didn't end up in turnover.
7:11So, um, no, yeah, yeah. I'm, I am, uh, I'm not buying it.
7:15I think Munkin is doing a pretty good job of being like, let me try to just get the most of this out of this bad situation.
7:23But, um, no, I mean with that Steelers front, I think that there could be some mistakes here from Watson in this game that kind of costs Cleveland.
7:32All right. Pittsburgh, it actually has, uh, is only favored by two and a half and it's in Cleveland.
7:37So that's basically a pick him, which is interesting.
7:40Um, I'm on Pittsburgh as well. I gave you a game between two teams that also won last week, the Indianapolis Colts
7:47and the Washington commanders fresh off of upsetting the Goliath Seahawks.
7:50So what's your key in this game? London game, set your alarms.
7:54Here we go. It begins, uh, this week. Yeah.
7:57My, my key is, can the commanders find any success with their run game this week?
8:01That Colts defense has been getting gashed. I mean, they're 30th in DVOA against the run.
8:06They're 32nd in success rate. Ravens ran all over them.
8:09Chiefs ran all over them. Texans. I don't really count, you know, as a, like a professional run game, but even that way, it was horrible.
8:17But, um, like maybe the Bengals run defense performance against Houston, maybe in retrospect, yeah, with that in perspective a little bit.
8:24Yeah. Yes. We're getting some more data points here and we can make, you know, we can clarify some things we thought
8:31maybe after week one, but I did think David Blau sort of under the radar had some nice calls in the second
8:37half of that game against the Seahawks. Listen, it was one of those fluky games where better team turns football over a
8:44lot and, you know, inferior team gets out game by like 180 yards and still wins, but he had a nice screen call.
8:51He had a couple of nice run calls on third and long, including one with Mariota to kind of ice that game.
8:58So I feel like if there's going to be a week where the commanders can say, let's evolve from big below average,
9:04mediocre run game, uh, to something more than that, help out our quarterback a little bit, maybe keep our defense off the field a little bit.
9:12Maybe that's this game that they can find something, uh, on the ground against the Colts.
9:17Um, should be mentioned that commanders quarterback, Jayden Daniels is practicing at Wednesday says Jane Daniels returns to practice status versus Colts remains uncertain.
9:24That seems way too fast based on what that injury looked like on the field shield.
9:29And I do wonder if like, they're like, Oh, we're back in it.
9:33We want a game. It wasn't upset. I, I don't, I don't feel great about getting him out there.
9:39I don't know. I mean, I was on NFL live when Kurt Warner, uh, now I said, I played through that.
9:45I don't know if you caught that comment. Oh, I missed that.
9:49Wow. Uh, and he got, he got a little bit heat for it.
9:53And I try not to be too opinionated about player injuries in general.
9:57It's just not my area of expertise, but that thing looked cartoonish and I just don't know if it's worth it for
10:03either him or for, if, if, if, if it is something he can play through, you know, in, in the coming weeks,
10:10I just don't feel like they should brush it right now.
10:13Especially since Mariota, you know, he didn't look great, but he's, he's competent, you know, he's able to run the offense.
10:20Yeah. I I'm with you. I mean, when that injury happened and Tom Brady started cursing and I was watching the replay
10:27and I was looking at his legs, like, it doesn't look that bad.
10:30What's happening. And then I was like, Oh, okay.
10:33Um, it's, it's the elbow there. So yeah, I guess he's going to try to play through it.
10:39I'm with you. It doesn't feel great. It's like, is this really going to go well?
10:44But, um, I understand him wanting to play, especially people, you know, Hey, he's injury prone and, uh, he's too thin and
10:50all those things that he's probably has in his head.
10:53But yeah, I wouldn't rush him back if I were the commanders.
10:57I'm on Indianapolis in this. Uh, it kind of is similar.
11:00I mean, it's not. Okay. So like, we've got all these like older backups coming in.
11:05This will come up again, obviously throughout today. I just sometimes feel like when you have that first game, sometimes defenses just
11:12don't have the drop on you or what? And you know, it was this incredible upset.
11:17Doesn't it just feel like a prime kind of like, Ooh, Marcus Mario maybe make some backbreaking errors type situation, London rest Indianapolis.
11:24I'm not completely sold on them, but they do at least feel like they're trending in the right direction.
11:29Yeah. It's kind of like the new coach bump, the backup quarterback bump.
11:33It's like first game, maybe it'll go. Okay. After that.
11:36I don't know. I mean, I do think these are relatively even teams, you know, I don't like the commanders defense, but
11:43the Colts defense has not been good at all so far this season.
11:47I trust their offense. I trust Steichen a little bit more, but I think the commanders defense is just like, they have
11:54to hunt turnovers like they did last week because on a down to down basis, they're not going to be good enough.
12:00So he styles looks good though. I will say that.
12:03Um, okay. Speaking of rookies, I'm going to focus on one in Cardinals giants, which is me.
12:09Um, I just wrote, can Jeremiah love mow down this giants run defense because he's coming off a game where I thought
12:15the Arizona Cardinals rush rushing attack, particularly their duo runs, which they leaned into heavily against San Francisco, put a pin on that.
12:22When we get to the 49ers looked really good.
12:25Uh, and I was thinking back and I looked this up week two against New York, the Rams ran duo, uh, 13
12:32times against New York and averaged close to eight yards, a carry doing so now the Rams run game.
12:37All right. Mark's the best in the NFL. And obviously you're fearing the past game too, in a way where you honestly
12:44should be, but like, I think this Cardinals offense, which through the first few weeks of the season has been like one
12:51of the feistier, more underrated units in the NFL can move the ball on New York in a way that Tennessee just could not last week.
12:59Totally. Yeah, no, it's, they have been a surprise early in the season.
13:03Uh, it passes all the statistical, uh, the statistical evidence is there, but you're right.
13:07The run game, they, they don't create any explosives.
13:10It, you know, they're, they're like last in the NFL and all those, but it's just like, Hey, methodical, you want to go get another first down?
13:18We can do that. One more first down. We can do that.
13:22And then it's just like, are they going to score in the red zone or not?
13:27But I do trust them to move the ball when you watch them.
13:31It's not fluky. It looks coordinated. He got the veteran quarterback.
13:34So, uh, Brian Burns goes out for the giants.
13:37I think he's out for the season now there, you know, that front is just like, for how many years have we
13:43looked at it and been like, Hey, you go into a season.
13:47You're like, maybe that front's going to be a little frisky this year.
13:51And it feels like it just has never happened for the giants.
13:55I can either are Ricky Ardell Reese looks good.
13:57Like a lot of the young players look good, but I think like what we're seeing cross league is some of the
14:04situations is not enough to overcome their circumstances per se.
14:07Uh, I didn't get a chance or I refuse to react to the JJ McCarthy trade when it happened in real time.
14:14Um, but I do want to nod to that because obviously it was a big story this week.
14:19He is obviously not going to be starting for the giants this week, or maybe anytime in the foreseeable future.
14:25Um, I do think I wanted to hear your thoughts on this.
14:29James Winston is going to be kind of playing for his job though.
14:33Right? Like, because for the first two weeks, he has not looked good.
14:37He has really struggled under pressure in particular. And while I don't think this Arizona Carlos defense is very good.
14:43Um, I do think there's some heat on like the McCarthy trade.
14:47I only think about it in the context of like, okay, you're probably adding, putting a little heat on Winston if he wants to maintain that job.
14:55And I think just when you don't have a quarterback, you can take a bunch of bites at the apple.
15:01Even if there's like, I don't know what the percentage would be a 5% chance.
15:05You think JJ McCarthy can ever be an average starter.
15:08It's like, he's on a rookie contract. You're trading a fifth round pick.
15:12I just think it makes sense to exhaust all those options.
15:16Even if you're not sure of it, it doesn't mean you think he's amazing.
15:20It doesn't mean he's your quarterback of the future, but you don't have one with Jackson darts injury history here.
15:26So I'm with you. Jameis doesn't look the same physically like the arm, you know, it's, it's a different kind of bad,
15:33but in the past, where's the, yeah, at least it used to be in the past where it's like, okay, cool.
15:39At least we're going to, he's going to take shots downfield and every now and then he'll, you'll give you a drive.
15:46That's exciting at least. And it's not exciting right now.
15:49It just looks bad. Um, yeah. So yeah, I, you know, I, like I said, I don't, I can't get worked up
15:55about fifth round draft pick in general. People are like, well, is this a mistake for New York?
16:01I'm like, no, I don't, who cares? It's a day three pick.
16:05Like, I'm not going to get mad about it, but I'm also not going to tell you it's a brilliant move or
16:11that he's got this like untapped upside because every, every sign, every data point suggests that's not true at this point.
16:18So I don't care. Like, it's fine. It really is fine.
16:21My TV producers are so bad at me. They're like, come on, you got something.
16:26I'm like, I don't, I just can't, I can't guys.
16:29I can't do it. Um, I need like take Viagra or something.
16:32Um, okay. I'm on Cardinals cause I genuinely believe that offense is, it'll be interesting when like the real, like when DVOA
16:39starts kicking in stuff, I want to see, you know, like what it looks like at the midpoint of the year, but
16:46yeah, thus far it's imminently watchable at minimum. So.
16:48Yeah, for sure. Cardinals too. Uh, yeah, sorry. I keep forgetting to pick the games.
16:53Okay. Cardinals at giants. I'm sure Cardinals let's go with that situation on this.
16:57It opened at giants by seven and then now is Cardinals by two and a half, which did that happen after the JJ?
17:04I don't know. Giants at seven. That had to be like maybe before the season or something.
17:09Yeah. That had to be a real look ahead line.
17:12I know. Um, okay. So this is interesting cause I gave you Cowboys Texans, which I think would have been a obvious.
17:19We got to really drill into this game, the battle of Texas.
17:23Part of the reason why I felt like we didn't need to talk about it at length is that I've talked about
17:29both these teams a lot and I just don't know what else to say about the Texans at this point.
17:35How do you feel this way? You're a daily NFL podcaster.
17:39Like, don't you just feel like it's repetitive now when we talk about this offense?
17:43Like what is new? What is new? What is there left to say?
17:47Sorry. I know this is your game, but no, that's okay.
17:51Yeah. I went to the other side of the ball.
17:54Cause you're right. It's like, there's not a lot, uh, new to say about that Texans offense.
17:59It's felt like it's the same conversation for like three years.
18:02Now I was going to go a little game management here because both those coaches disgusted me with the way they did
18:09with the way they handled last week's game games, but you know what?
18:13I went in a different direction and I think it's more interesting.
18:16Cowboys offense versus Texas Steve Texans defense. Great. Yes.
18:19Ken Dallas hunt explosives in the past game. Cause I think that's been a really interesting part of the early season with
18:26this Texans defense is that it almost feels like opponents are resigned to the fact that we're not stringing together nine, 10, 11 play drives against these guys.
18:34They're too physical. Uh, Hunter and Will Anderson are too good.
18:38We're going to run into a mistake at some point.
18:41We're not going to be able to run it, run the ball.
18:44So let's just try to get them downfield. And Josh Allen did a week one, but it's like, it's Josh Allen.
18:51Of course he can do that against anybody. Joe Burrow in week two was interesting because they didn't move the ball consistently,
18:57but he hit on enough explosives where that game ended up being a blowout.
19:02And then even, you know, you look at last week and the Colts had success pushing the ball downfield.
19:07So I think the Cowboys offense has been terrific so far.
19:11This season, but it's been way more methodical than explosive.
19:14They're one of those teams that it feels like can string together those drives every single week.
19:19I'm curious if they can do a little bit better job of, Hey, we don't have to play the way we've been playing.
19:26We got to make sure we hit hit on some big plays against these guys so that Hunter and Anderson don't, don't wreck the game against us.
19:34Yeah. The, the explosives point is really interesting because it did feel almost like the bills didn't lay down the blueprint, but
19:41they showed the league, like you got to attack these guys.
19:44Right. Because it was something we talked about around that game was the defense, the Texans defense last year, opponents had like
19:51maybe the lowest or second lowest time to throw.
19:54It was a lot of quick game because they were so afraid of the pass rush.
19:58And then they have a really good tackling defense that would just kill drives.
20:03Um, so the bills were kind of, it was interesting.
20:06They refused to play into their hands. They said, no, we're going to, we're going to attack.
20:11And then the, the, the bangles, it was, it was a lot out of structure stuff for burrow.
20:16Yeah. Like you said, they attacked and then the cold smash.
20:20I wasn't sure if they would be able to, because of, um, Jones is like mobility being a little bit dicey, but
20:26he did just enough to buy himself time in the pocket so that they could hit on a few as well.
20:33Um, and we know Dallas is absolutely capable of doing that.
20:36Uh, I do wonder Dak and the Cowboys sometimes when they face really good defenses, just go like hyper quick game or a good pass rushes.
20:44I actually think maybe I had a week one.
20:47I had a stat for his quickest time to throw games.
20:50And I want to say one of them was Texans, but I'll have to double check that.
20:55So it's definitely something they do do, but I think your point is important.
20:59Like, I don't think that's the way against this team.
21:03You have to really try to attack them. Um, I will add, okay.
21:06On the, on the Texans note, Nico Collins is back in this game.
21:10Oh, is he? Okay. A very, or he's practicing today.
21:13I assume he's going to be, it seems like that.
21:16It is admittedly a much better offense with Nico Collins.
21:20I know I was kind of pat and dismissive and I still do not believe in this run game.
21:25I don't believe in the offensive line. I don't believe in the other receivers, but you can definitely imagine a game where
21:32Nico goes crazy, work in the middle of the field against these safeties who are just the whole linebackers being am I going to take the Texans here?
21:40Yeah, I am. I'm taking Texas. I'm taking the Texans.
21:44I'm not giving up on them. Oh, and three.
21:46I know they were oh, and three last year.
21:49These have been, you know, two out of three have been coin flip games and their defense is just going to keep them in most games.
21:57And I don't know that the Jaguars are going to run away with that division.
22:01So yeah, I think they are a desperate team here.
22:04Although I guess I probably said that last week, but even more desperate.
22:08I'm like, how many times can I keep picking the freaking Texans and being like, there's no way they start here.
22:15Yeah, there's a desperation. But I mean, if the Cowboys lose this, they're one in three themselves, which is crazy to think about.
22:22But that's all right. Packers bucks. Pretty simple here.
22:25I wrote, is this the week the Packers, the Bucks pass rush shows up.
22:29God knows they'll never have a better opportunity than this one.
22:32So there's the Packers side of that, which I'll get to, which is obviously the aforementioned opportunity.
22:37But the Bucks pass rush has been really underwhelming to me this season.
22:41And I come into the year thought it would be one of the kind of feistier, more like upstart, you know, units
22:48and thus far can see Elijah can see leads the team in pressures 48th league wide.
22:53Yaya Diaby is 83rd. Ruben Bain Jr. didn't play last week, but he is not thus far been a factor.
22:59Green Bay. Meanwhile, we just saw put together one of the worst performances by an offensive line.
23:04I think I've ever seen. Is that overly dramatic?
23:07Ever seen? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it was bad.
23:10I don't, I wouldn't say ever seen, but it was bad.
23:13Yes. I might be wrong. Maybe it was. It's pretty bad.
23:17Statistically. I think not that past Black-Win rate is the end all be all, but I think they said it was the
23:23worst ever, but, um, but the way they've measured that has changed a little bit too.
23:28So I won't stick to that. A lot of, uh, a lot of activity in green Bay.
23:33They signed, uh, McKay Becton, Lakin Tomlinson and Kevin Zeitler of those three guards.
23:38Zeitler at least has played good ball recently. So that's the one where I'm like, okay, that, that could actually help because
23:44the guard situation is by far the most dire part of the offensive line.
23:49Aaron Banks has been hurt. Um, the guy, what's his name?
23:52Oh my God. Monk. Yeah. It was so hard to watch, to rewatch the other one.
23:57Also, uh, Burton, Burton and Monk. That should be a law firm, not the two starting guards.
24:02You could just be making up names. I would have no idea.
24:06Yeah. And I don't know. Uh, it is, it is dire, dire hours in green Bay.
24:11At least they're doing stuff. I will say that I love, I hate it when a team is a nightmare and they're
24:17like, we like the guys in house. We like our ability to develop them.
24:21No, no, there was nothing to like. So at least they're trying stuff.
24:25Um, but yeah, this is it, right? Like if you, if, if Tampa can't get it going this week at us, and
24:32then obviously Tampa has a backup quarterback, Jalen Daniels playing instead of Baker Mayfield.
24:36But if the Bucks defensive line can't feast, then there's no hope.
24:40I don't remember seeing anything like this where you just sign, like normally you look at the veteran offensive lineman and you
24:47work them out and you pick like your favorite one.
24:50They're just like, bring all of them to us.
24:52I mean, Zeitler, Tomlinson, Beckton, two of them could be starting very soon.
24:56I think Tomlinson was, uh, practicing at left guard during practice, uh, according to the athletic.
25:01And then I think Matt Lafleur is like, as soon as Zeitler's ready, he's out there and he's our right guard.
25:08So this is highly unusual. I think they are feeling the heat.
25:11They're feeling the pressure after last week to your point, rightfully.
25:15So kind of miss evaluations on your own guys, where it feels like for years, you would look at the Packers offensive
25:21line before the season and be like, I don't know.
25:24Do I, do I love these guys? But then it'd be like, Nope, they kind of coach them up and figure it
25:31out and end up being good enough. That was even the case this summer, but you know, they didn't evaluate them correctly
25:38because that has really torpedoed their season. I mean, these two teams are 29th and 30th in offensive success rate through three
25:44weeks of Matt Lafleur, Jordan love offense ranking that low is really, uh, unprecedented.
25:49So yeah, this is like full panic mode code red for if the Packers were to lose this game, uh, to the
25:55box with jail and Daniels, I don't even know what the conversation would be like around green Bay next week.
26:01Uh, I think that Packers defense bounces back here after last week.
26:05I genuinely cannot put it. I just can't do it with this offense, the inability to run the ball.
26:11They've got to figure that out too, because you know, I must've just absolutely killed Matt Lafleur not being able to call
26:17like a single, uh, but like they there's, they just can't write.
26:21Like I, it's you, they have to figure out a way to put together at least, um, the threat of running the
26:28football because that was just a nightmare. Um, I can't pick Tampa with Jalen Dan.
26:32I can't do it. I did ask, uh, Nate Tice, our friend, big prospects guy.
26:37He said he's a fan of him, not as a starting quarterback, but he said he's fun.
26:42He, you know, is a bit of a playmaker does stuff with his legs.
26:46So, um, it could be like, you know, he could do some fun stuff out there, but I can't do it.
26:53I'm going to, I'll take green Bay, even though it's just, yeah, it would be great if Kevin Zeitler comes in and saves the day though.
27:01I'll say that. Yeah. It's so funny. I, I texted my friend, Fran Duffy this.
27:05I'm like, well, what do you got on jail and Daniels for me?
27:09Uh, this way you see similar. He's like toolsy, uh, fun, a high energy.
27:13I think he started 44 games in college. He was there forever.
27:17So, um, maybe he'll be a fun new character in our lives, but yeah, with that, Oh, with the offensive scheme design
27:24coaching there, I can't be too bullish on it.
27:26Right. This isn't case Keenum super experienced that walking into a beautiful machine.
27:30This is an offense that was struggling with Baker Mayfield.
27:33So, um, okay. Jags bangles. Finally, a game that you'll merits full attention.
27:37Um, you go first here. I gave you the bangles offense against the Jags defense.
27:42Great matchup. Yeah. What do you have your eye on?
27:45I've got Travis Hunter and the Jaguars DBs against Jamar chase and T Higgins.
27:49I think this is, I know it's not just, Oh, he's going to match up on one of them the entire game.
27:56I understand that's not how football works in 2026, but, uh, the Jags look incredible so far, just kind of on both sides of the ball.
28:04I'm so impressed with how they've played, but this Travis Hunter situation last week, he played a career high 42 defensive snaps, uh, to only five on offense.
28:12So he has, they, they have evolved his role on defense.
28:16I think it's increased every single week. And now he goes up against chase and Higgins who have just sort of carried that bangles offense.
28:23I mean, it has been incredible two weeks ago.
28:26I feel like Jamar chase won that game against the Texans.
28:29You know, it was like him and Dexter Lawrence.
28:32It was really speaking to me about stars can actually just put a team on their back for one week.
28:38So you saw that T Higgins has been incredible as well.
28:41And Joe burrow, this bangles offense, it first came on the scene in 2021 and was like, Oh, it's bombs away downfield.
28:48And then they were like, Nope, teams are going to take that away.
28:52And teams did continue to take that away. They're back to being incredible creating explosive plays.
28:57And I know it's a small sample so far this season, but they're producing explosive plays at the fourth highest rate in the NFL.
29:04Joe burrow has the highest EPA on deep passes through three weeks.
29:08And some of them are throw them up. Chasen Higgins are really good and they're going to make a play.
29:14We saw that last week with Higgins touchdown. So, uh, I'm very excited about this matchup between those wide receivers.
29:20Uh, Travis Hunter, his expanded role. Uh, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun.
29:25Yeah, I, I was, I'm really impressed by the Jaguars defense over the course of the season.
29:30But last week, you know, in against, uh, Denver in the first half, they were really good in the second half.
29:36They just weren't getting enough pressure on Bo Nix and some of that had to do with, you know, obviously the Broncos,
29:43um, offensive line is very good, but it's a defense that like you said, it's probably going to play a lot of
29:50zone Cincinnati faces close to the most zone in the NFL for very obvious reasons.
29:54Um, I'm really interested in that, that front though, because like I said, Josh Heinz Allen, I thought was incredible against new
30:01England, even though they were like throwing bodies at him.
30:04Uh, I wonder what it'll be the Bengals approach in this.
30:07They've been using a lot more two tight end sets as well, uh, which, uh, has allowed them to run the football pretty good.
30:15So I, I think, I think on that side of the ball, it's a pretty like fair fight to be honest.
30:21Um, yeah, I, I feel like on the other side, the Jaguars offense.
30:25Okay. So I'm not like selling Cincinnati per se after last week, after they got carved out by Mike McCarthy, but I
30:32do fear that a lot of the things Pittsburgh did to them in that game are things that Jacksonville can do at
30:38a higher level potentially because of who the Jags have been on offense.
30:42Uh, but my key was attack them between the numbers, which was clearly a priority for Pittsburgh in that game.
30:48And it is very obviously the weakness of this Bengals defense the spine, right?
30:53Cause the corners are quite good. Only 21% of Rogers throws in that game were outside the numbers, which has to be
30:59close to the lowest key, especially over the last few years.
31:03Uh, you know, who loves throwing between the numbers?
31:05Trevor Lawrence loves it. And when he does it, this is just this year, the Jags are a third in EPA per
31:12play behind only Baltimore and San Francisco 0.41 EPA per play throwing between the numbers.
31:17Just close your eyes. And think about some of the throws you saw last week, including the touchdowns to, uh, Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington.
31:24Uh, I, I genuinely believe Cincinnati's probably got to take away the football from him, which is possible, right?
31:30I, when he throws, because he does, he attempts like very tight window throws too between the numbers.
31:35But I feel like Liam Cohen is going to really try to take advantage of that part of the field.
31:42Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson, without the same PR. I mean, it feels like, you know, yeah, the end doesn't get the same
31:48pop, but they never lose the Jaguars. It's like, he's on an incredible run here for a year, uh, and a quarter.
31:55And the offense has been amazing. Like I said, I've been as impressed with them as any other team in the NFL so far.
32:02And yeah, you make a good point with Trevor.
32:05Like when I did, I was actually picturing it when you, you gave me those instructions.
32:10I'm like, all right, let me picture Trevor Lawrence's throws and everyone tight window.
32:14All right. Who is this? It's a different receiver every single time.
32:18Is that Parker Washington? No. Okay. Is that Jacoby Myers?
32:21No. Is that somebody I've never heard of? Okay.
32:23Yep. He just, uh, cut a touchdown as well.
32:26So, uh, I'm with you. I think the Bengals even coming into the season, their defense, it wasn't like they're going to
32:33be top 10, you know, shut teams down. It was like, they need to reach a baseline to give their offense a chance.
32:40And I think that's kind of what this game is about.
32:43I mean, I would be really surprised if we came out of this game and we're like, oh, the Jaguars only had,
32:50you know, 16 first downs or something like that.
32:53Like they're not going to shut them down. Can their pass rush be good enough?
32:57Can they capitalize on whatever mistakes Trevor Lawrence kind of throws their way?
33:01Um, I think that's, and I know you talked about the Jaguars run game I saw earlier this week, which I was looking at the same numbers today.
33:10I'm like, oh man, that is, that is a huge difference from where they were, uh, last year.
33:15So they are a tough offense to defend the Bengals defense just kind of has to give their offense a chance in this game.
33:22I'm going Jacksonville. Um, I just think they're one of the most balanced teams in football.
33:27I do. I just like really love what I've seen on both sides of the ball.
33:32I think they're really well coached. I think they're putting together good game plans, but specifically to my offensive point, I think
33:39that they are a good, this is a good matchup for them.
33:42Yeah. I like the Jaguars, uh, as well here I'm bullish on the Bengals.
33:47Uh, I, I had them winning that division before the season.
33:50I still think they're a good team, a very good team, but I think their defense will just continue to need a little bit more time.
33:58I think the Jaguars are the better team right now.
34:01I'm wondering what I'm going to pick against the J I know they lost to the Broncos, but after this, you have the Eagles Texans.
34:08That's tough Colts, the Ravens do Jags Ravens. It's fine.
34:12Is that Monday night football? It says November 5th.
34:14Oh my God. That's a great game. Whatever it is.
34:17Ooh, buddy. All right. Uh, speaking of the aforementioned Eagles, we are both on this game, Rams Eagles.
34:23Uh, you can go first here. She'll I graciously gave you the Eagles offense against the Rams defense.
34:28Still no miles Garrett in this game. Uh, I think Jalen Watson is definitely out.
34:33So what, what is your key here? Of course, for those who don't know, she'll, uh, follows the Eagles very closely.
34:39In addition to being an NFL podcast, I should have mentioned you are, uh, the host of the, um, really Ringers Philly special.
34:46Okay. I got it wrong last time. Yeah. Um, sorry.
34:49Uh, I want to update ramp. So Jalen Watson is likely out.
34:53And so is Terrence Ferguson. Interesting. Puka Nakua is questionable.
34:56I was going to say, thank you for giving me an opportunity to talk about the Eagles offense, you know, walking down the street and to other parents.
35:04It's like, I just don't have enough chances, uh, to do this.
35:08Uh, my key is, can they find answers with their early down offense?
35:12I mean, first and second down has been a complete disaster for that.
35:16They are 28th in success rate on early downs.
35:19They want to run the ball. They run the ball at the fifth highest rate on early downs.
35:24That's not the only issue, but that has been an issue last week.
35:28Maybe the only bright spot on film from them just getting destroyed by the Chicago bears, their run game in the first
35:35half was as good as it's looked all season long.
35:38The offensive line was moving people. Saquon Barkley had what?
35:4170 plus yards. Yeah. In the first half. So I'm looking at that saying, is that actually something to build on with
35:48this outside zone scheme that we've heard, uh, so much about, or was that just a little fluky first half type deal there?
35:54So I want to bring up something specific to that, that Ben and I got into a little bit, which is something that the bears did.
36:02I would be very surprised if the Rams don't do as well as when Jalen hurts goes under center blitzing, uh, to
36:09both to stop hurts, but also to stop some of those under center runs, which was an issue for Philadelphia.
36:15Sean Mannion didn't seem to have answers for that in this game.
36:19Do you think there are answers for them? If the Rams were to do the same thing?
36:24Yeah, I would think they would need some type of plan B because he had that destroyed them in the second half and that's destroyed them.
36:32You know, their play action game under center flash was a big talking point all summer.
36:37Like, all right, they're moving to this scheme. It's been the worst in the NFL there.
36:42And it's not a high volume. It's a small sample, but it feels to me like every time they run under center
36:48play action and Jalen hurts turns around, there is a defender in his face.
36:52And to what you and Ben were talking about blitzing, uh, those blitzing the a gaps, that's what teams are doing to
36:59destroy some of that, uh, those under center schemes.
37:02And the Eagles haven't had an answer for it quite yet.
37:05So I don't know what they would move to here, but I just feel like they need to get some easy layups
37:12on first and second down and they shouldn't be screens because their screen games are disaster too.
37:17Not a lot's really going, going great for that.
37:20But like Sean Mannion, the Packers offense last year was so good at the short passing game, right?
37:25And it wasn't just screen. They're always so good at finding ways to give the quarterback a little easy buttons that yards after the catch.
37:33Surely there must be some way for him to manufacture that in Philadelphia in response to these blitzes.
37:38I would think that, I mean, you know, the first half of that game, they put together two good drives where Hertz
37:45look comfortable the week before it was the same thing.
37:48So they had these little pockets that look okay, but you know, they played this Rams defense last year and Chris Shula just blitzed them.
37:56And it was a terrible, uh, passing game for the Eagles in that game.
38:00So they need to have some answers and be ready for that in this game.
38:04Was that the Jalen Carter black field goal game?
38:07Or am I thinking of, yeah, I think that was Jordan Davis.
38:11Yeah. They've played a bunch in the last. Yeah.
38:14Jalen Carter had the sack in the playoff game.
38:16Yeah. Uh, yeah. Oh, the playoff game. Yeah. Uh, okay.
38:19Other side of the ball. Uh, all right. So NFL live on Tuesday after the Monday night football disaster, we're talking about,
38:26you know, what we saw from the Eagles defense.
38:29And the thing I think we focused on is something I'm sure that everyone in Philadelphia has noticed, were noticed and was
38:35upset by as well, which is how unbelievably poorly they handled motion in that game.
38:40The bears game, just miscommunications guys playing different coverages, very perplexing stuff from a Vic Fangio defense that I would like to
38:47remind folks last year was second to eat league wide against passes using motion behind only Houston.
38:52So we're talking about this and mid conversation, I pull up the schedule and go, Oh no camera.
38:57What I, what I remembered through their flag this week, because what do the Rams do uh, more so almost than any
39:04team in the NFL, they use motion at the snap.
39:07Uh, so obviously that's a huge key in this game.
39:10I want to ask you a question though about the motion and the handling of it.
39:15Um, so obviously Zach Bond, you know, is who had a tough one, uh, is your middle linebacker there.
39:21But a lot of the miscommunication seems had to do with like Cooper de jean, like not like with the other corners.
39:27It's time to like, maybe re reconfigure the secondary perhaps because safety was a big problem in this game.
39:33Has there been any talk in Philadelphia potentially just, I know they signed Kenny Moore of moving to jean back there.
39:40Do you think that might solve some of these problems?
39:43Like what, what is happening? Like why, what, what was that chill?
39:46I mean, I thought Ben Ben Johnson seemed to have such a great grasp on the Eagles coverage rules and how they
39:53handle stuff like motion and releases and just kind of toyed with them.
39:57And you know, the, the one big one, I think that was Cooper de jean and reek woolen, who is one of
40:04the new members, uh, of the secondary. And they cut, they cut the receiver loose and he gets open for a 41 yard touchdown.
40:11De jean has also been playing with an injury this season.
40:14I think he's been fine the last two weeks, but early on, uh, he didn't, he, yeah, he didn't look as good.
40:21I think Fangio has been very hesitant to move to jean to safety full-time because we've seen him for two years, just
40:28be such a menace in the role that he's in and always be involved, uh, at nickel, playing the run coming downhill, being involved in the action.
40:36So I think it's something they would consider because Fangio obviously doesn't like the safeties.
40:40They were going with a safety rotation at one spot in that game.
40:44And I really think he went into that game being like, it's case Keenum, we're going to stop the run and play action.
40:51In addition to the motion just killed them. I mean, their safeties, their linebackers are firing downhill and Ben Johnson's like, no,
40:58we'll throw the ball with case Keenum. I'm not afraid of this, uh, 38 year old.
41:03He can get it done one night for me.
41:05So there's a little bit of a history of these Eagles defenses under Fangio struggling the first month of the season, him
41:12figuring out the personnel, uh, and then, then going forward.
41:15But the last thing is their pass rush has not been nearly good enough.
41:19I think they had the third lowest time to pressure in the NFL.
41:23Jalen Carter's playing with one hand. He's got a wrist injury.
41:27So yeah, Fangio has got to kind of earn his money a little bit more this year because it's not like, oh,
41:33you have just pro bowl players at every position right now.
41:37Well, pressure has been Stafford's kryptonite this year. And I know everybody always says all quarterback struggle with pressure.
41:43He struggles with pressure more than most. No, just, um, and for me, I think the Rams are just going to go
41:49super run heavy on early downs to try to keep them out of those situations because I think they can, especially if
41:56Niku is back, I could see them. And with Nikua back Ferguson out, if that's how it shakes out, I could see
42:03them going very heavy 11 personnel, get the Eagles to match it and nickel to try to punch him in the mouth and run it down their throats.
42:11Um, so that's something that Philadelphia, you know, who's run defense has been, I know they were okay last week, but a
42:18bit of a question mark early on, they've got to show up.
42:21I just don't love what I saw from this defense last week.
42:25I think your point is like the, I had them as a top four defense.
42:30They'll be better. They got to figure some stuff out, but I'm going with the Rams here.
42:35Yeah. I like the ramps too in this game.
42:38I mean, the quarterbacks they faced case Keenum and cam ward and Jaden Daniels in week one.
42:43Now it's Stafford and McVay and then it's Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen.
42:47So I'm very curious to see how we're talking about this Eagles defense two weeks from now.
42:52If they pull off the upset, it'll be because the defensive line went crazy, which is possible.
42:57You know, Gernard's getting healthier. I thought he had some good moments.
43:01He almost got to case Keenum. Um, all right, I'll be quick on Pat's bills.
43:05I wrote Drake may just lean into the quick passing game right now.
43:09It's the one thing I watch where I feel he looks comfortable, uh, is when the ball comes out quick.
43:15Uh, when not so much when he's trying to push it down field, uh, and it's something that Buffalo has struggled with.
43:22They've allowed 41% of quick passes to convert into first downs, which ranks 28th league wide their bottom 10 in pretty much every metric against that.
43:30Um, I would normally say run on Buffalo, but I don't have confidence in this Patriots rush rushing attack.
43:36So I just feel like right now just simplify things, you know, keep it like clearly the young quarterback is coming off of a really tough stretch.
43:44This is an easier opponent on paper than the three you just face.
43:48Keep it simple, pepper them. Keep Josh Allen off the field.
43:51Yeah. I think you want to settle him down a little bit because just hearing him talk kind of makes me sad.
43:58I'm like, oh man, this guy, so he needs a pep talk.
44:01Like, so I feel like we're going to get a story in new England.
44:06One of those, like Mike Rabel showed him a clip of like his 50 best plays from last year to remind him of who he was.
44:13It feels like Drake may needs that type of sit down meeting at some point this week.
44:19But, um, you know, the one, if you're, if you're a Patriots fans, we're just down in the dump.
44:24I mean, they're 21st in offensive success rate, which is measures.
44:28How often are you producing a positive play? It is the turnovers that have really killed them.
44:33And I know it doesn't, you're like, who cares?
44:36The turnover still count. I understand that. But when you're looking at a small sample, the success rate would indicate that the offense is not completely broken.
44:44They're losing a lot of the high leverage stuff right now, but it's not quite as bad as it might seem.
44:50So I think your plan for them, uh, is a good one against a Bill's defense that has looked pretty vulnerable.
44:57Also when on quick game, I just pulled this up because I feel like it's true.
45:01Drake may interceptions has not thrown a single interception when he's, it's all been longer developing place.
45:07Quick game. He's actually 10th in success rate right now.
45:10So just lean into the strengths. Obviously they don't have confidence right now in their offensive line based on the game plans they're pulling out.
45:17Um, but I do think if they just, just, you know, don't be too ambitious.
45:22This bill's defense has a lot of weaknesses. Uh, I'm taking Buffalo though, to be clear.
45:27So yeah, I got the bills too. Yes. I, I feel I've been agreeing too much, right?
45:32I'm not, I'm going to switch it up on some, I know I, or maybe I thought we would, I thought you
45:39would take the Bengals and I would take the Jags.
45:42I know I'm always high person on the Bengals, but this Jags team has turned me so far this, this year.
45:48All right, let's take a quick break, come back.
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47:30Terms and conditions apply. All right, we're back. Jets Bears is you.
47:33What's your key? I've got the Bears pass rush against the Jets offensive line because it's really felt to me this season when Geno Smith has time.
47:42Their playmakers have kind of been incredible. Watching that game last week, I'm like, oh my gosh, Garrett Wilson, Kenyon Sadiq.
47:48Yeah, he's just throwing it up there to those guys and they're making plays and their offense has really been quite good through the first three games.
47:56So I think if they can protect Geno, we saw at the end of that game against the Lions what kind of
48:03happens when you don't and they create the turnover.
48:06But Bears have not had a great pass rush.
48:08They're 26th in pressure rate. They blitz at a top five rate.
48:12They can get creative when they get you into third down.
48:15I mean, Dennis Allen had the Eagles, Jalen Hurst.
48:18Their heads were spinning in that game on third down.
48:21But I think, you know, Geno Smith, veteran quarterback, Frank Reich, veteran OC, they're better equipped to handle those things.
48:27So yeah, that's kind of where my eyes go towards this game.
48:31We don't know for sure who's starting for the Bears at quarterback as we record this podcast.
48:36But I think the other side of the ball, I think the Jets could really, you know, have a chance at pulling
48:43off the upset or at least keeping it close with their offense.
48:46I want I so it's funny because I just checked on case Keenum's or Caleb Williams is injury.
48:52This is how broken Google is. The first hit I was like, Caleb Williams status was a Fox News story that says
48:58Caleb Williams seemed casually pacing Bears sideline during national anthem.
49:01Oh my God. Googling injuries. Now this is a first world problem.
49:05But for people in the football content space who want to Google injuries before podcasts, it's a complete disaster right now.
49:11I would much if there's a service where you can just text me somebody and just give me updates on the key players.
49:18That's a that might be a business idea for someone.
49:21I do think it'll be case Keenum. I do think that you do.
49:25That's interesting. I mean, it says here, Caleb's not practicing Wednesday.
49:29But what about do you think he would go back to Tyson Bajan if oh, sorry.
49:34Yeah, because that's a hard question. I kind of have gone back and forth on that.
49:38Do you are you like, nope, Keenum played well, leave him in there.
49:42Are you like, all right, we kind of got away with something there, but maybe you're like, you know what, let me ride it out.
49:50I had the viral interviews, got the best moments of my career.
49:54My family got to see me like have this incredible win.
49:57Yeah, maybe just retire. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
50:00Um, I do think like it felt like they just like took the Eagles defense by surprise.
50:05And so I think it'll actually be harder for the Bears passing game to dominate this week.
50:10And I do think, like I said, Gina has been playing quite well.
50:14And I really like the threats receivers more than the Bears corners.
50:18I don't think I can pick the Jets here just because of Ben Johnson, the coaching disadvantage.
50:23Yeah, but I want to but I won't. Yeah.
50:26Will you? I can't I got burned by you know, I felt the same way you did.
50:31It's like a great coach backup quarterback. This always works for the last 2530 years, especially the first time.
50:36No, I think the Jets will keep it competitive.
50:39It will be a feel good loss. Maybe they covered the spread of three and a half, but I will not pick them to win this game.
50:47There's only one game left where okay that I feel like we can separate.
50:52Um, okay. It's not obviously Titans Ravens. It's just mine.
50:55Um, I'll be quick here. I kind of at the point where I really need to see something from Cam Ward to stay on this train.
51:03And I'm not even like on the train, so to speak, because I've, you know, I don't think I've, I've been sure going this off season.
51:10I was, I would say cautiously optimistic and through the first few weeks and after the preseason, I kept dimming it, dimming it, dimming it.
51:18I just watched the giant science game. It's ugly.
51:21Um, I will say on the touchdown drive and in the second half generally, but particularly in the touchdown drive, he did improve.
51:28He looked like he was playing a little faster.
51:31The ball was coming out. He was seeing the field.
51:34Okay. But it's gotta really start looking up. And the thing is like, I, you know, like the skill pairs aren't, don't
51:40look like total world beaters out there and the run game is just kind of meh, but the offensive line is playing good enough.
51:48Uh, like this should be more productive than it's been.
51:51Oh, I also don't like this game, but like I freaking RPOs are killing me, but, um, that's kind of what I wanted to focus on here.
51:59I don't know. What have you thought about cam board so far the first two weeks of the season?
52:05I don't know how you feel about him generally too.
52:08So you can tell me that. Have you had the, have you had the exchange on a group chat?
52:13What did the Titans do if they get the first pick in the draft?
52:18Has that happened? Not yet. Not yet. That's I've had that thought.
52:21I've had that thought already. It feels first. I think they might be the worst coach team in the NFL.
52:27So I do want to cut him some slack just overall.
52:31I have been entirely unimpressed with everything from special teams to in-game decision-making to the offensive scheme.
52:36I was not bullish on the scheme coming in.
52:39Cause I looked at day balls last three seasons and it's like, he had two terrible offenses and then he got fired.
52:45And the quarterback who we couldn't win with went to Indianapolis and looked like a totally different guy.
52:51I'm like, why, why should anybody be so excited that he's going to get the most out of cam word here?
52:57So, um, I don't feel encouraged by cam word.
53:00I see the raw talent for sure, but kind of everything else has worried me from decision-making to accuracy where I kind
53:06of view him on, on the Sam Darnold track at this point where I don't think it's going to happen soon.
53:13I'm not giving up on it for his career.
53:16Like it's not one of those where I don't see it at all, but I don't think it's going to happen soon.
53:22And I'm not sure it's going to happen in Tennessee if, and when it does happen.
53:27The offense is like, they don't really ask him to do much.
53:31They clearly don't trust him, but they're also not creating schematic advantages for him in a way that like put a contrast to the opponent.
53:38I I've found Declan Doyle to the first three weeks to be incredibly enjoyable and actually is doing a really good job.
53:45He obviously has like an all world quarterback. He's been awesome, but like the way he uses a skill players, the way
53:52he gets them open, the way he gets in matchups has been really impressive to me.
53:57And, um, I think the Titans defense is better than their record, but I think Baltimore wins this one pretty handily.
54:03I agree. Yes. The, the Ravens have looked, uh, better coached and I don't know Lamar Jackson.
54:08I don't know if there's an OC, they like, he looks incredible, right?
54:12The way they create explosive plays, um, this year, specifically, even given some of the wide receiver injuries has really been something.
54:19And I love offenses that can do that where it's like, we don't just have to be perfect down after down after
54:25down, because you know what, at some point our quarterback's going to hit on a play for 25 plus yards.
54:32It just makes life a lot easier. He, he last week, Lamar Jackson, I know the kick got all the hype, but
54:38that was like one of the most efficient quarterback games of any, any player this entire season against the Cowboys.
54:44The offense would have machine if they just stopped running Derrick Henry short yardage.
54:49I know the short yardage, short yardage is killing these teams.
54:52How did I say this to somebody was asking me about that?
54:56And I said, I'm pretty sure they just do it because they're getting yelled at.
55:00And then after the, like, I've noticed this in the past with the Ravens, the office coordinators, they always call a lot
55:07of Derrick Henry runs the week after getting yelled at for not doing it enough.
55:11It felt reactionary to me. So I agree. They got bullied.
55:15Don't get bullied. You have Lamar Jackson too. You can involve him in that game.
55:19Who was, Oh my God. I just feel the season he's having is the potential to be really special too.
55:25And all right. Uh, you have dolphins, Vikings, Ken Kyler Murray, look more comfortable.
55:30I think Vikings fans are a little upset with me with some of my tweets, uh, this week about just how bad
55:36that Vikings offensive performance was last week. Me and I don't know how much you've dug into the numbers from that game, but nine first downs.
55:44It was the second worst offensive success rate for any offense in a game this season.
55:49It was Kyler Murray's lowest success rate in a game for his career.
55:53And if you look at every quarterback so far this year, it ranked 98th out of 98 quarterbacks in drop back success rate.
56:00Now I say that as someone who picked the Vikings to make the playoffs and it was bullish on this team.
56:06And I'm happy there three and all, and I get all the caveats.
56:10Listen, he was coming off a concussion. Justin Jefferson leaves the game.
56:14He's still in a new scheme. So I'm not saying that's what we're going to see all season.
56:19It's just kind of like, this is one of the biggest storylines in the NFL to monitor right now, in my opinion,
56:26because if Kyler Murray can perform like the 15th best quarterback or something, the Vikings have a real chance to make some
56:33noise with how good that defense has performed and how good Brian Flores is at his job.
56:38And I just want to see like a step in the right direction.
56:42He doesn't have to throw for 300, but I want to come away from that game that gets an inferior opponent being
56:48like, okay, last week was a tough spot for him.
56:52He looks at least like a more competent passer in this game because he just looked very, very uncomfortable despite their win against the Bucs last week.
57:00It was like three deep passes and a bunch of crap, basically.
57:03Hard to watch. And it's not just Kyler, right?
57:06The run game. That's kind of the more surprise.
57:09I think I thought the Vikings run game with Kyler in particular would look really fun and good.
57:14You know, I just think they brought, well, apparently everyone involved, the Dolphins staff, Mike McDaniel, Frank Smith, they hired him.
57:21I was like, ooh, you get the Viking. The Dolphins run game.
57:24Well, apparently that's not good anywhere anymore. I do think he gets a little bit of grace for the reasons you said coming off the concussion.
57:32Also like hasn't played. Had a weird competition this summer that went on way too long.
57:37So there's just kind of some weird mitigating fact.
57:40They also lost Justin Jefferson in that game and it felt like I'm sure that really distorted their game plan.
57:46So actually let me double check on Justin Jefferson.
57:49I think he's playing this week, but like you said, I need the surface, but I do think good news on Justin
57:55Jefferson's ankle injury, but he's not practicing on Wednesday.
57:58So he might not play in this game, but might be fine.
58:02It's the Dolphins defense, man. I'm there just bad.
58:04So, and then it's Brian Flores against Malik, Willis, poor Malik, Willis and company.
58:09So I will take the Vikings here, but your point is really good because yeah, this is a team that now has
58:15like a pretty clear path towards winning division. The way things are looking with everyone else, Chicago, obviously that one was big
58:22and maybe, you know, getting Kayla back and they'll get back on track, but the Vikings have every chance to be right in there.
58:29So Kyler has to play better. All right. Next game is probably my favorite game of the week.
58:35Broncos Niners. Let's freaking go. Let's go. I want to see this.
58:38I want to see Brock Purdy against this defense.
58:41I want to see Bo Nix. Can he do it in the first half?
58:45I want to see these two sicko coaches go head to head and be super passive aggressive with each other.
58:51Y'all go first. So you're on the Niners offense, which is really the main event in my opinion.
58:57Uh, so here's the, okay. I know I said Broncos offense.
59:00Can Bo Nix, have I told you my theory about him or my, um, Hey, no, let's hear it.
59:06Are you a dog owner? I forgot. I am not.
59:09No. You familiar with the concept of the zoomies?
59:12No, tell me when a dog's like just too hyper, they have this thing called the zoomies where they just like run
59:19around and like they run in a circle. And if a dog has zoomies, you have to take them outside and just
59:25like, let them run around, get it out of their system.
59:29And then they can be like a good dog, a good boy and follow orders and listen to you as such.
59:35Okay. I think with kids sometimes too, like with kids.
59:38Yeah. Totally. I think Sean Payton needs to take Bo Nix out to a field before the game and just let him
59:45run around in a circle for like 20 minutes and then he'll be ready to play.
59:50Cause I feel like that's what he's doing in the first half.
59:53He has the zoomies and then he calms down by the second half.
59:57What do you think of this theory? I love it because when, even when they show the pregame shots or him on
60:04the sideline, yeah, he looks really like, yeah, he's like wired, amped up.
60:08Like what? Yeah. I don't know what his pregame routine is.
60:11Is he, is he drinking coffee? Is he doing something else?
60:14But I think that would be worth a try because we're on what a year and a half of this now.
60:21Um, here's what I want to see in this game from Denver.
60:24Can you run the damn ball? And I say that because I think this Niners run defense is not good.
60:31I understand they've been improved in a lot of ways, but I watching Arizona, I talked about this earlier, Jeremiah love on those duo runs.
60:38He was giving it to them week one, the Rams aforementioned also do a run game was for all of Matt Dafford's foibles in that game.
60:46They were running it down their throats. This is an iron run defense.
60:50That was God awful last year. And I think they're run defense.
60:54I think they're better this year, but that to me is probably the biggest weakness of the entire football team.
61:00Non-substation division, the Broncos run game. I don't understand why it's not better.
61:04Um, it is a constant source of frustration and people are always like, it's the scheme or it's the back since Dobbins.
61:10And I don't know, but like, I really think for Bo and for this offense, they have to find a way to run the football in San Francisco.
61:19Um, because if not, I don't love what he might look like in the first half.
61:24You're right. It is hard to explain. Everybody loves the offensive line.
61:27Everybody it's Sean Payton. He schemed up a run game before in his life.
61:32This shouldn't be new to him, but it was pretty mediocre last year.
61:35And you thought coming into this, this season, maybe it can be better.
61:39And they're 16th in rushing success rates. So to your point, Niners are 29th defensively against the run, if you just go by success rate.
61:47So this would be a get right type game, but yeah, I, if the zoomies aren't a problem, I feel like, you
61:54know, I feel like against the Niners, there's a lot you can kind of do to this Niners defense, just kind of
62:00the state state they're in right now. Um, but you never know what you're going to get from that Broncos offense.
62:07So maybe you're right. Maybe that calms him down a little bit, run the ball early.
62:12And then if he needs to cook a little bit, uh, in the second half or create some explosive plays, you can do it.
62:19Then what do you got on the fun side or not the fun side, but like the, there were like 50 things
62:26on this side, right now I didn't know what to choose.
62:29I wrote down so much we could get into.
62:32Um, I think the, you know, just in terms of this specific week and this specific game, the Broncos defensive backs against
62:38the 49ers wide receivers, where you look at the 49ers wide receiver room, they lost Pierce all free before the season.
62:45They lost dribbling. They lost to Marcus Robinson. They lost Christian Kirk.
62:48Mike Evans, I think is questionable with the rib injury.
62:51I mean, the wide receivers in that game last week, Debo Samuel could Daryl Hodge, Jacob cowing, Jordan Watkins drink.
62:57If you think I made up one of those names, uh, now, but I just think going up against one of the best secondaries in the NFL.
63:06And then I came to, I'm like, I was writing this down and then I'm like, does it matter if you have
63:12like right now, is there a supporting cast where I told you it's Purdy it's Shanahan?
63:17Is that I had, they reached that point where it's like, it kind of might not matter.
63:22You need, um, I've often thought about this. You need one of Kittle and McCaffrey.
63:27If you take out, if, if they were the two players who was hurt, I'd be like, nah, we out.
63:33I can't do this. You just need one of them for me to feel like they can make this work.
63:39The receivers take it or leave it. I mean, it doesn't matter.
63:43It does matter. But like, you know what I mean?
63:46Like if you want me to like, can Kyle, it is like, you know, chopped, right?
63:51Like when they give them the like incredibly random and bizarre ingredients and it's like, can you make a souffle out of
63:57like candy corn and chicken nuggets and eggs? It's like, as long as I got eggs, I can make a souffle.
64:04I, the eggs are Christian McCaffrey in this situation or George Kittle.
64:07One of them has had one of them. I like that.
64:11Yeah, no, that I feel in these coaches like Ben Johnson last week, Shannon, they love when they're shorthanded or, you know,
64:17it's like, Oh, watch what I can do now.
64:20And then they come out and they put, I mean, their offense has looked unstoppable.
64:25First three weeks of the season, um, best offense in the NFL last 10 seasons.
64:29I think the only offense that's been better through three weeks, the 2023 Miami dolphins.
64:34How about that? Sorry, chargers fans. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a shock when they don't score.
64:39So there's a bunch of other stuff we could talk about, um, upfront that battle.
64:43Do they blitz? Do they not blitz? Can they win with four?
64:47But I'm just kind of curious about those great defensive back, mostly great defensive backs against these wide receivers.
64:53Um, the Broncos run defense has been a little hit or miss this year.
64:57The Niners are back to running the football. Well, this season, a lot of the stuff they do and Kyle use check
65:04and the motion game, and maybe he's the egg.
65:07I don't know. Uh, Kayla on black, uh, pretty, as you mentioned, is playing incredibly good football.
65:12I think Denver's got to turn him over. Uh, Talanoa Hufanga.
65:15You have one mission, my man. Yeah. Former Niner.
65:18Who's he's like, like really, really good. I mean, was obviously the superstar of the Sunday night game, but advanced Joseph has
65:24to find a way like Mike McDonald's been really good at this at because pretty amazing, like few games he's had.
65:31He'll push it a little. He'll, he'll try some stuff.
65:34And you as a defense, because of how efficient they are and how they'll slice through you.
65:39When you get those opportunities, you better come down with the football.
65:43So that's it for Denver in my opinion. Yeah.
65:45I think they, they, an aggressive style where they're blitzing a lot, you know, they like to blitz a lot anyway.
65:52I was actually looking at Purdy's numbers last year, which I didn't realize last year, he was 27th in EPA per play
65:59against the blitz so far this year. He's first.
66:01So I know those are noisy numbers and can vary season to season, but I'm with you.
66:06I think if you're the Broncos and you look at your defensive backs against those pass catchers, you're like, we can afford
66:13to maybe throw some bodies at him if our pass rush isn't getting home.
66:17So I think that'll be a big key here to how often they blitz and what happens when they do blitz in this game.
66:25God, I was so heavy leaning San Francisco, but listening to you talk about those D backs and maybe the blitzing.
66:31I still think San Francisco has a lot of matchup advantages.
66:34I think San Francisco's defense, their weakness to me will be going up against teams that can run the football really well.
66:41Denver's just not been that. So I think I'm going to stick with San Francisco, but a little worried now.
66:47I liked the Niners. I was scared about them coming into the season because they had so many older players and I
66:54still wonder what that's going to look like in December.
66:57But right now, while they're healthy, I mean, I don't know how you can really bet against that offense right now, unless you're worried about the turnover.
67:05So yeah, I think this is a nice spot for them at home here.
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69:36I'll be quick here. I'm checking to see if Julian loves back.
69:40God, they need him back. By the way, the safety play was not great.
69:44Um, I'm focused on the other side of the ball.
69:47I wrote, can the Seahawks win the personnel game?
69:50So the Seahawks offense, which is very heavy to tight end offense, similar to the beginning of last year has been very
69:56good passing and very mid to bad running the football so much so that they wouldn't run at the goal line at
70:03all and refuse to give Jerry and price the football.
70:06It's a whole other weird storyline. Um, but also like what your first round draft pick was a running back, he fumbles
70:13and you don't let him touch the football again.
70:15Can we just take a minute to acknowledge that that's a little weird?
70:19It's fair, right? Yeah. I, I think, I mean, coaches are always, I feel like coaches have the different philosophies on the
70:26guy who fumbles, you know, it's like, do you put your arm around them and are like, throw that out the window.
70:33We trust you. We believe in you. Or do you go the other way?
70:37And they're like, you're not getting the ball because you fumbled even separate from the fumbles.
70:42They don't seem to trust him in a lot of situations.
70:45They've been using way more Wilson and Holani. I think that anyone expects this is your first round draft pick.
70:51I know it's like, they just want a super bowl.
70:54So it's like, can we criticize him for anything?
70:57But like that was, there's some other positions that look a little thin right now and not saying I'm not out on him as a player.
71:05I'm just, they're out on like, look how they're using him.
71:08But anyways, what I wanted to say is this, um, Seattle.
71:12So in terms of the personnel game, they use a lot of 12 personnel.
71:16They pass out of it a lot. They're great at it.
71:19Uh, and then when defenses counter that playing nickel, they're actually excellent running the football.
71:24So a lot of their bad run numbers are because even to play a lot of base on them.
71:30I think versus LA, that's just kind of the game you play.
71:33You walk out with two tight ends. If they match it with their LA's about, they play a 42% base.
71:39This is how they've been our last few years, a little bit more nickel.
71:44If they're going to play nickel and dime, you just run on them.
71:47And then if they put a back around the field, you throw on them.
71:52This has been the Seattle offense. Now since Clint Kubiak, Brian Fleury has kind of continued those tendencies.
71:57Um, you just try to get matchups based on personnel.
72:00And I thought Darnold last week, like that wasn't a game I watched live.
72:04I caught up on it the next day. I thought he looked incredible coming off that injury.
72:10I know. Yeah. I know he had the, you know, uh, interception there at the end, but I was like, Oh man, he is, he is slinging it.
72:18He looks confident here. So, uh, I don't know what to make of that chargers defense.
72:23They create all the turnovers last week. That certainly wasn't their fault before that.
72:27I had a lot of questions about them, but they look better.
72:31But, um, yeah, I w I would not, if I were looking for my first win in the season and I was
72:38having the season from hell and it was the biggest disappointment in the NFL, I would not be wanting to go face
72:44Mike McDonald's defense, uh, with that team coming off of a loss.
72:48So I think this is quite a tough spot for the chargers and I don't know what happens if they go.
72:54Oh, and four, if anything happens. I think they have, do they have Houston at no, um, I'm trying to think the schedules.
73:01There's a Baltimore in there. It doesn't get easier.
73:04Yeah. There's a chiefs in there. I think Seahawks Broncos chiefs Rams Texans Ravens.
73:08Holy crap. Yeah, that's right. That's one of those where I feel like when we read out schedules, a lot of times
73:15people will name mediocre teams and I'm like, settle down your name in every team.
73:19No, that actually is legit. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe the Texans.
73:23Um, all right. Got a few more games. Chiefs, uh, Raiders.
73:26You alluded to this. We're both on it. You can go first.
73:30You have the chiefs offense, right? Against the Raiders defense.
73:33Patty Mahomes. I know. Well, this is interesting because this is one where I dove into it a little bit more and there were things that surprised me.
73:41So my key is the Raiders ability to tackle in space because my eye test hasn't matched exactly what the numbers tell me on this chiefs offense.
73:50I don't know about you, but Patrick Mahomes, his average pass this season has traveled 5.8 yards downfield.
73:55That is last in the NFL. That's lower than any quarterback last season, including Aaron Rogers.
74:00Remember that Aaron, that version of Aaron Rogers we watched last year, Pat and my home, Patrick Mahomes, his passes have traveled a shorter distance than those yet.
74:08The chiefs are producing explosive plays at the fifth highest rate, which goes back to what we were mentioning in the beginning.
74:15Andy Reed just coming back and saying, you all said I was washed and I'm not why they leave the NFL in yards after the catch.
74:23Even the nerd stats about, you know, yak over expectation, their first, second or third in all of those.
74:29And do you know, the player, Mina, that leads the entire NFL in yards after the catch through three weeks?
74:35It's Kenneth Walker. It's Travis Kelsey. It's all players in yards after the catch.
74:39So, um, yeah, I'm very interested in this version of the chiefs offense.
74:43Like I'm watching when I watch it, I'm like my homes looks incredible.
74:47They're doing play action and pushing the ball downfield, which that's sprinkled in, but overall it's been kind of a highly schemed
74:54offense that yards after the catch with not a great supporting cast.
74:57And it's been one of the better offenses in the NFL.
75:01So I think the Raiders ability to tackle in space, limit those yards after the catch, uh, is actually going to be a big key here.
75:09If I told you before, not before the season sometime last year, let's say like mid last year, I don't know when
75:15both these teams were kind of in the doldrums and thinking about just what we've seen from them in recent years, that
75:22the Raiders and chiefs were two of the four best play action passing attacks in football through the first four weeks of the season.
75:29Would you have believed me? It's wild. Especially because I don't with Raiders, it's like, Holy crap, what's going on with the chiefs.
75:36That's never, that's just not been Patrick Mahal. This is never, in fact, Dominique, I used to always talk about this.
75:43This was an offense that for many years was worse using play action than, which never happens, right?
75:48Like usually play action is the easy button and numbers go up, but because they were never an under, there weren't an under center team.
75:56There was no commitment to the broader like philosophy of run pass.
75:59They were not good at it. They are running teams with play action right now.
76:04I think in the, the dolphins game at one point, now let me just look it up.
76:09Cause I'm just like, it was so insane. Yes.
76:12He was 11 for 12 for 183 yards and a touchdown.
76:15You see play action. Yeah. It felt like that.
76:18I mean, it felt like every snap was play action guy open in the homes, making a nice play.
76:24This is the play action bowl right now. This really is like, which defense is going to be better at defending play action.
76:31Um, because on the flip side, the Raiders, I talked about this early in the week, have also been an excellent, extremely
76:37well, schemed up play action pass attack. Um, and it actually, I just looked like, so offensively, I mentioned they're both top four defensively.
76:44They're both bottom 10 in play against play action, small samples, whatever.
76:48You don't want to read too much into it.
76:51I think both will be better, but that's both defensive coordinators, uh, smags and Leonard that that's your mission.
76:57You gotta, you gotta stop it this week. Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really excited to see how that plays out.
77:03Uh, on the flip side, I almost said the same thing I did for Aaron Rogers, which is like, is Kirk going
77:10to do this again or whatever, but I just keep it simple.
77:14What's your plan for Brock Bowers, man? What is it?
77:17Oh, this is okay. I talked about how this is a play action bowl.
77:21Is this Travis Kelsey versus a future Travis Kelsey ball passing the torch type game?
77:25Yeah. Like a lantern style. You're facing your younger self than like maybe Travis Kelsey goes crazy because of Brock Bowers.
77:32Yeah. Rock Bowers is like the student has suppressed the master.
77:35I don't know. It's like, I mean, he, I just could not believe what I saw from him last week.
77:41Like he's, do you think he's the best tight end in football?
77:45Yes, I think I do. I mean, I, I wanted to think, cause I know at one point last year before Tucker
77:52craft got injured, I was like, Tucker craft is the best tight end in football.
77:56Uh, he's coming off the injury and that hasn't happened so far this year, but yeah, we just yeah.
78:02Yeah. It depends. I guess what offense, but just in terms of who would I want?
78:07I mean, for a tight end to get that type of volume, that type of attention.
78:12And there's like literally no, I don't want to, you don't be disrespectful to their wide receivers, but there's not other guys.
78:18The defensive coordinators are coming into games against the Raiders saying, Oh, we have to worry about this guy.
78:24And this guy, usually you love to have three of those guys.
78:28They have one of those guys and he's a tight end.
78:31And I still would think he's going to have like 120 yards in this game.
78:36Big Nikobe Dean game as well. Thinking about the Raiders and play action.
78:40He was very, he's been incredible. Yeah. You guys miss him.
78:43You know, I, I actually thought he was going to sign with the Cowboys in the off season.
78:48And I, I feel like the cow, but he will ban that.
78:52He looks like one of the best free agency signings in football right now.
78:56I mean, he's making an impactful play every single week.
78:59All of the Raiders pre-agency looking at them now and just like thinking, looking at the roster and thinking about Linderbaum, the offensive line looks absolutely transformed.
79:08Honestly, like that's been, that was another thing that struck out watching Kurt is just how much better the offensive line looked.
79:14Um, defensively you got Dean, you added, I mean, I guess it was more, I mentioned it was Malcolm Coons who was
79:21already on the roster, but Taron Johnson, Kway Walker, like they've all been competent for them and really helpful.
79:27I'm going to take the chiefs here. However, because I think the chiefs defense has a better chance when going back to
79:33the, who's going to be better against play action.
79:36I have more faith in spags in that defense.
79:39And also Patrick Mahomes is just playing out of his mind right now.
79:43He's just looks really, really like his vintage old self, but your point about the explosives energy.
79:48I'm curious to see if they can throw deep on Vegas, because I think the chiefs defense, some of those numbers are
79:55skewed a little bit by week one because the passing attack was just non-existent week one.
79:59So I do want, I think it's going to keep trending up, up, up and up the way things are going, but
80:06the Raiders can make this a fight. Absolutely. I mean, they've been arguably the best coach team in the NFL.
80:12When, when you're watching a Raiders game and you're like, I've never heard of this guy and he's making an impact that
80:19happens like three times every Raiders game. That means the coaches are doing something with the personnel, getting the most out of those guys.
80:26So yeah, I'm not ready to pick them to go for no, but I don't think they're going to get blown out.
80:33I think it's going to be a game, uh, in the fourth quarter here.
80:37Mike mayor as well. I should have mentioned has been awesome.
80:40All right. We got two more. You are alone on Sunday night football lions, Panthers cat fight.
80:46It's it's, it's just about can Carolina's corners, keep them in this game?
80:50I mean, they had just got devastating injury news this week, both their corners, JC Horn and Mike Jackson out for a while on IR.
80:57They are rolling with a rookie named will Lee and a Caleb Evans.
81:01And here comes Detroit with Amon Ross St. Brown and Jamison Williams and Isaac Tesla got going, uh, last week.
81:07I just, it's kind of like what we, a little bit about like what we talked about with the Broncos, but to
81:14a more extreme degree where I feel like the Panthers have to lean into the variants and just be like, we're blitzing.
81:21How can we create negative plays? If we give up a 50 yard touchdown, so be it.
81:26We need turnovers in this game. I just don't see a path where they have the horses defensively to keep that lion's
81:32offense, which has been a very, very good. And in addition to their run game, Jameer Gibbs has been incredible this season.
81:39I don't think the Panthers can keep up with them.
81:42So I'm very curious about Evero. What's his defensive philosophy.
81:45Again, I would just kind of go crazy, be aggressive, hunt negative plays.
81:49Easy for me to say, you know, my job's not on the line here, but looking at it from afar, it feels
81:56like that's their only chance with this secondary situation against Detroit's offense.
81:59The bears run game week one against Carolina put up close to 300 yards between Deandre on the ground, just the run
82:06game between Deandre Swift, Kyle Manongai, Kayla Williams against this defense.
82:09Carolina is just such a bummer because I do think they could have been, I don't want to like call it on
82:16the season, but the injury started this summer and it's just not stopped and it's, it's important players and that it's just been brutal for them.
82:24Um, and Bryce, it felt like he was constantly under pressure against Cleveland.
82:28Um, you know, the lions defense certainly has its deficiencies and I think, I think Carolina can put up points on them.
82:35The other flip side of watching the jets game is this corner.
82:38It's a pretty, pretty gettable, but yeah, this lions offense against this, it just feels like an outlast situation where, you know,
82:45Carolina can keep punching back, but it's like, you got to score on every drive and a certain point.
82:51It's just too much. It's kind of like, um, the lions bills flip side for the lions, you know, in that game,
82:57they were able to move the ball in Buffalo, but it, all it takes is a couple stops.
83:03So I think Detroit, um, I feel pretty good.
83:06Oh man. Okay. We got one last chance. I assume you're on Detroit as well.
83:10Yes. One last chance. And I do think this is one where we will go.
83:15And I, I, this is, this is to me as a true pick him.
83:19This is the one I agonized over the most.
83:22Okay. Right. Don't you agree? It's close before we revealed.
83:25Yes. After last week, it feels very even. Um, I'll go first here.
83:29I just wrote B John in all caps. Um, because have you watched him, but also, uh, I'm very interested in that
83:35matchup because the saints run defense has been bad now that comes with a big caveat.
83:40The saints run defense has played the lions and the Ravens, two of the three games.
83:45So the, the, the run defense is 29th rushing success weight.
83:48You know, those are two of the, probably the best run games in football.
83:53I think we all agree. And against Vegas, I did think they looked better.
83:57Mike Washington broke off one big run, but they actually had him dead to rights and he just squirreled out of it.
84:04But to me, I do feel like this is like a big test because the saints run defense was actually really good last year.
84:11And I've been watching them kind of wondering, was that spoken mirrors?
84:15Is this just opponents or are we have really taken a step back this season?
84:19Um, Pennix jr. There's a little bit of, I do think the Packers were kind of taken by surprise through over the middle of the field.
84:27They weren't ready for that. Ball was coming out quick.
84:30He was under center, all of it. So I think this week there's a little bit of like, okay, we actually have
84:37some tape on him in this offense. We'll see, but it all starts in the ground.
84:42It all starts with whether or not you can stop Bijan Robinson in any capacity.
84:46That was one of the best offensive performances by any game, any team in a game this season last week.
84:52I mean, that was incredible. Bijan, uh, Drake London, like you mentioned it, Pennix.
84:56So yeah, that is a, uh, that's a good one for man.
85:00Rob Bijan is so, so fun to watch him and him and Gibbs.
85:04It's just like, it feels like they're going to break off a 45 yard run, uh, at any given moment.
85:10So that that's a good one for sure. On the other side of the ball I had, and I can't believe I'm
85:17saying this, the Falcons pass rush against Tyler shop, because I thought the Falcons were going to have maybe the worst pass rush in the NFL.
85:25I thought that Thursday night game was such a great illustration of a coach who can do more with less on one side of the ball.
85:33And maybe the other coach was not able to do that on the other side of the ball.
85:38You know, it's just like, you look at this Falcon step chart and CJ Henderson's I'm like, Oh, he's on the Falcons.
85:45He's looking like an all pro in that game.
85:48And overall this season, the Falcons, uh, I think are what seventh, eighth in, uh, in pressure rates so far this season,
85:54they're up there in time to pressure. So it's been pretty surprising what they've been able to do defensively so far and
86:01shock for as fun as he's been. And he's highly entertaining.
86:04I mean, Tyler shuck in the second half of some of these games looks like the best quarterback in football.
86:10He will take a sack. And that was the issue last year.
86:14His pressure to sack rate was terrible. It hasn't been great so far this season.
86:18And so the Falcons ability to win up front, create those negative plays, uh, and set the saints back, I think is a big key in this game.
86:27Yeah. Kind of similar. The, this is, you know, a big part of these first game early games, like the whole competition thing, right?
86:34Like I want, I'm like, okay, that was the Packers offensive line.
86:38Now I do think that they made the Steelers offensive line look abismal the prior week.
86:43And that's not as bad of a unit at all, even, and obviously they've reshuffled a little bit week one, Miami.
86:49So competition has factored into it a little bit, but they've survived.
86:53These first few weeks in a way I didn't think that they would the pass rush has.
86:58So I think it's a really good thing to shout.
87:01I would note, um, in this last game, uh, I thought Tyler shuck at the left side of the, um, saints offensive
87:08line, a seam Richards really got abused. He's been playing for Calvin banks, Jr.
87:12Let me check on his injury status actually, uh, against the Raiders.
87:16That was a real problem in that game for the saints.
87:19And like you said, yeah. Oh, banks, Jr is not injured reserve.
87:23Jesus. Um, Ooh, don't love that. Um, so yeah, that's, that's a big one.
87:27I do think, um, I think I, I, new Orleans receivers.
87:30I like in this game, as far as that matchup goes, also a renearing Jordan Tyson, potentially coming off of the hammy
87:37at some point soon, because, uh, cause when you think about like Devon Valle has been so great as a, as a
87:44two Juwan Johnson, obviously Chris Olave is the star.
87:46If you throw Jordan Tyson into the mix, suddenly that's a very fun, it's the group we hope they would be, but I think you're right.
87:54It starts in the trenches for New Orleans. Um, but I want to go back to pennants quick before we pick.
88:01Yeah. That's sustainable. Like, did you, or do you feel like that was a little bit like the Packers defense was just not ready for it?
88:08And he's playing so quick, he played so quick in that game.
88:12Once he settled down, he was accurate. Like I said, he was thrown over the middle, which is something he didn't do before.
88:19He looked, it looked like a different version of him.
88:22I did in the summer. I was, you know, thinking about a take of, Hey, Michael Penix might not, there was a
88:29statistical case that we shouldn't, he shouldn't have just been buried after last season.
88:33You know, I think it was like 23rd in EPA per pass play last year, which you're not throwing a parade for
88:40that or hanging a banner, but it's like, there's some level of competence here in the right situation.
88:45And I think with the run game, I think with the more competent offensive coaching staff, I think with the weapons he
88:52has like Drake London, I don't know. I think he can be okay.
88:56If he stays healthy, I, it's not going to look that good, but yeah, I think, I think he can be okay.
89:02With those circumstances, all he has to be is okay for, I mean, this is, this could be for the division right
89:09here with the way things are going with Tampa.
89:12This is a big game. Yeah. This game has a lot of juice.
89:16These fan bases hate each other. It's in new Orleans.
89:19I'll be there. Um, all right. You sound like you're going Atlanta.
89:23I was going to wait to see who you picked and just pick the other two.
89:27All right. Falcons. Let's go. I got the Falcons panics.
89:30I always believed in you. This is truly, I think I'm picking new Orleans in part because it's in new Orleans and I feel like shock hometown crowd.
89:39It's been close games, even in the losses, they're both one and two saints are two and a half.
89:45So it's a pick them at home. This could truly go either way, but I think Brandon Staley can watch last week's
89:51panic state and come together with a good game plan.
89:54And say, don't do that. Don't do what the Packers did.
89:58Yeah. Um, and I'm, I'm not, I'm not selling on shock.
90:01I'm still a shock boy. So that's what we call ourselves.
90:04The shock boys. If you want to join, you can, but you have to be positive about, uh, all right, that's it for the week.
90:12We did. We did finally diverge, even though it felt a little half-hearted at the end.
90:17Well, I forgot I had to pick games if I'm being honest.
90:21So I was just doing them on the fly, going with my gut, bad job out of me.
90:26I'll be better next time. I might just be very persuasive.
90:29Uh, remind folks where people can check out all of your work.
90:33Yeah. Ringer NFL show. And if you have any interest like, uh, Mina's mother-in-law and the Eagles, you can listen to the Ringer's Philly special as well.
90:41She might be a listener. I don't know if not, I should, she's a WIP listener.
90:46I'm on there too. She's, but maybe she's heard me.
90:49I do all. I don't think she listens to the one that I do all Philly, which you guys should check out.
90:56I follow the Eagles very closely because I do a bi-weekly Eagles appearance on Bo will show.
91:01So it's like, and it gives me incentive to like really play close attention to the team.
91:06So I was living and dying on NGS, those failed under center runs in the second half.
91:11Um, all right. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
91:15If you guys, as a reminder, um, my television podcast with David Dennis Jr.
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91:39And I also feel like I should acknowledge why I'm wearing this Jersey.
91:43It is a Yerry Mina Jersey from Columbia. My dad got it for me for my birthday.
91:48It used to say, why Mina? Now it just says Mina.
91:51But so people used to always use it as a meme.
91:55When I did something dumb on the internet, they would send me why.
91:59Anyways, that's why I'm wearing this. If you got to the end.
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