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It’s Brocktober! Previewing Week 4

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1 hr 33 min
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Oct 1, 2026
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Thu, October 1, 2026
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Aaron RodgersBo NixBrock PurdyGeno SmithJeremiyah LoveKyler MurrayNico CollinsAmon-Ra St. BrownBaker MayfieldBrock BowersCaleb WilliamsCam WardCase KeenumChristian McCaffrey
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Aaron Rodgers

PositiveProjection3:00

Rodgers threw for almost 100 yards under pressure in Week 3 against Cincinnati, the most he has thrown under pressure since September 2024 and the third most in the last four years since joining the Jets and Steelers. He threw under pressure, on the move, and downfield, shredding man coverage against Cincinnati. However, Mina Kimes notes this may be a flash rather than sustainable; at 42 years old, it's unprecedented unless you're Tom Brady, and odds are against him playing close to that level for a full 17-game season, especially on a short week against a feisty Browns defense.

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PositiveRole5:00

Rodgers benefited from Mike McCarthy's creative offensive scheme in Week 3, including bunch concepts, motion, play-action, and screen passes designed to attack man coverage. McCarthy called a surprisingly weird and fun offense with full house formations and creative play-calling that Mina Kimes believes is sustainable and worth monitoring going forward.

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NegativeMatchup22:45

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offensive line put together "one of the worst performances by an offensive line" in Week 3, with historically poor pass-blocking metrics. Mina Kimes notes the guard situation is "by far the most dire part of the offensive line," with Aaron Banks injured and other starters struggling. The Packers face the Buccaneers in Week 4, and Kimes questions whether this is the week the Bucs pass rush finally shows up, noting "God knows they'll never have a better opportunity than this one."

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Amon-Ra St. Brown

PositiveMatchup72:26

St. Brown is part of the Lions' elite receiving corps (alongside Jamison Williams) that will face a severely depleted Panthers secondary missing both starting corners JC Horn and Mike Jackson to injury. This creates a significant matchup advantage for Detroit's passing attack.

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Baker Mayfield

NegativeRole24:12

Baker Mayfield is benched for Tampa Bay in Week 4, replaced by backup Jalen Daniels. This marks a significant role change for the Buccaneers quarterback.

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Bo Nix

NegativeMatchup48:50

Bo Nix faced the Jaguars defense last week in the first half when Jacksonville was very good defensively, but in the second half the Jaguars weren't generating enough pressure on Nix, partly due to the Broncos' strong offensive line. This context is relevant for understanding the Jaguars' defensive capabilities heading into Week 4.

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NegativeProjection59:01

Bo Nix's first-half performance is a concern; the Broncos' run game is not good enough (16th in rushing success rate), and if they can't run the ball against the 49ers' weak run defense (29th by success rate), Nix may struggle in the first half. The Broncos' run game has been a constant source of frustration and is not living up to expectations despite Sean Payton's scheme and a strong offensive line.

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NegativeRole59:01

Bo Nix has the 'zoomies' in the first half—he's too hyper and amped up, running around in circles—but calms down by the second half. Mina Kimes theorizes Sean Payton needs to let him run around in a field for 20 minutes before the game to get it out of his system. He looks wired and amped up on the sideline and in pregame shots.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveProjection71:01

Bowers is performing at an elite level as a rookie tight end; Mina Kimes believes he is the best tight end in football. He commands defensive attention as the Raiders' primary receiving threat, with limited other receiving options. Kimes projects Bowers will have approximately 120 yards in Week 4 against the Chiefs despite facing an elite defense.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveMatchup58:38

Brock Purdy and the 49ers offense are the main event in the Broncos-49ers matchup. The 49ers' run defense is a weakness (29th defensively against the run by success rate), but the offense has been strong. Purdy will face a Broncos defense that can be exploited.

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PositiveProjection65:12

Purdy has dramatically improved against the blitz this season; he was 27th in EPA per play against the blitz last year but is now first in the NFL through three weeks. This elite performance against aggressive defenses suggests the 49ers can handle Denver's blitz-heavy approach in Week 4.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeInjury48:48

Caleb Williams did not practice on Wednesday and his status is uncertain for Week 4 against the Jets; Case Keenum is expected to start if Williams cannot play.

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Cam Ward

NegativeProjection51:03

Mina Kimes is not encouraged by Cam Ward's performance through the first three weeks; she watched the Giants game and found it ugly, though he did improve on the touchdown drive in the second half. She views him on a Sam Darnold track—raw talent is evident, but decision-making and accuracy are concerning, and she doesn't think it will happen soon in Tennessee. The offensive scheme doesn't create schematic advantages for him, and the Titans don't ask him to do much, suggesting a lack of trust.

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Case Keenum

PositiveRole48:48

Case Keenum played well in his start against the Eagles and is expected to start again against the Jets if Caleb Williams cannot play. The Bears' passing game may find it harder to dominate this week after catching the Eagles defense by surprise.

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Christian McCaffrey

PositiveRole63:27

McCaffrey is one of two essential players (alongside George Kittle) for the 49ers offense to function effectively; Mina Kimes uses the metaphor that McCaffrey is the 'egg' in Kyle Shanahan's 'chopped' ingredients analogy—as long as one of these two is healthy, Shanahan can scheme an unstoppable offense. The 49ers have been the best offense in the NFL through three weeks, comparable only to the 2023 Miami Dolphins.

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Dak Prescott

NegativeMatchup18:00

Dak Prescott and the Cowboys offense have been terrific so far this season but methodical rather than explosive. Sheil Kapadia notes the Cowboys are one of those teams that can string together drives every single week but may need to hit on big plays against the Texans' strong defense to prevent Hunter and Will Anderson from wrecking the game. The Cowboys sometimes go hyper quick game against good pass rushes, which may not be the right approach against this Texans defense.

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Derrick Henry

NegativeUsage54:04

Derrick Henry's short yardage usage is killing the Ravens' offense; the team should involve Lamar Jackson more in short yardage situations instead of relying on Henry. The offensive coordinator appears to call a lot of Derrick Henry runs reactively the week after getting criticized for not using him enough.

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Deshaun Watson

NegativeProjection6:15

Deshaun Watson was not buying a resurgence after revisiting tape from Week 3 against Carolina. He was 9 for 20 for 61 yards in the first three quarters, threw for 144 yards total, and had three turnover-worthy plays that didn't result in turnovers. Sheil Kapadia is not buying the narrative of improvement and expects potential mistakes against Pittsburgh's strong defense that could cost Cleveland.

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Drake Maye

PositiveRole43:05

Drake Maye should lean into the quick passing game, where he looks comfortable and has not thrown a single interception; he's 10th in success rate on quick game plays. The Patriots should simplify the offense against Buffalo, which allows 41% of quick passes to convert into first downs (28th league-wide), and keep Josh Allen off the field.

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Elijah Dotson

NegativeUsage22:45

Elijah Dotson leads the Buccaneers in pressures with 48 pressures, which ranks 48th league-wide through Week 3. Mina Kimes characterizes the Buccaneers pass rush as "really underwhelming" this season, noting she expected it to be one of the "feistier, more like upstart" units.

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Geno Smith

PositiveMatchup47:42

Geno Smith has been playing quite well through the first three weeks; when he has time, the Jets' playmakers have been incredible. He's a veteran quarterback with Frank Reich as OC, better equipped to handle the Bears' creative blitz schemes on third down. The Jets' offense has been quite good and can keep the game competitive.

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PositiveProjection67:12

Smith looked incredible coming off his injury in Week 3 against the Chargers, displaying confidence and strong arm talent despite an interception late in the game. Mina Kimes was impressed by his performance and believes he is slinging the ball well.

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George Kittle

PositiveRole63:27

Kittle is one of two essential players (alongside Christian McCaffrey) for the 49ers offense to function effectively; Mina Kimes emphasizes that as long as one of these two is healthy, Kyle Shanahan can scheme an unstoppable offense regardless of wide receiver injuries. The 49ers have been the best offense in the NFL through three weeks.

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Isaac Nauta

PositiveProjection72:26

Nauta got going in Week 3 and is part of the Lions' offensive arsenal that will face a severely depleted Panthers secondary. He is mentioned alongside the elite receiving weapons as part of Detroit's offensive firepower.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveProjection45:45

Jamar Chase has been carrying the Bengals offense; two weeks ago he essentially won the game against the Texans single-handedly. The Bengals are now producing explosive plays at the fourth-highest rate in the NFL, and Joe Burrow has the highest EPA on deep passes through three weeks, with Chase and T Higgins as primary beneficiaries of this explosive downfield attack.

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Jalon Daniels

NegativeRole24:12

Jalen Daniels is starting for Tampa Bay in place of Baker Mayfield. Nate Tice is a fan of him not as a starting quarterback but as a playmaker with leg mobility who can do fun things with his athleticism. He started 44 games in college and is described as toolsy and high-energy, though the offensive scheme and coaching context limit bullish projections.

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Jameis Winston

NegativeProjection14:00

Jameis Winston has not looked good in the first two weeks and has really struggled under pressure. Mina Kimes notes the JJ McCarthy trade adds heat on Winston to maintain his job. While the Arizona Cardinals defense is not very good, Winston's arm looks different and the kind of bad has changed—he's not taking downfield shots like he used to, and it just looks bad overall.

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Jameson Williams

PositiveMatchup72:26

Williams is part of the Lions' elite receiving corps (alongside Amon-Ra St. Brown) that will face a severely depleted Panthers secondary missing both starting corners JC Horn and Mike Jackson to injury. This creates a significant matchup advantage for Detroit's passing attack.

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Jayden Daniels

NegativeInjury9:15

Jayden Daniels is practicing Wednesday with return to practice status versus Colts remaining uncertain. Mina Kimes believes the timeline seems way too fast based on what the injury looked like on the field and expresses concern about rushing him back. The elbow injury looked cartoonish, and Kimes doesn't feel great about getting him out there, especially since Marcus Mariota is competent enough to run the offense.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveProjection12:00

Jeremiah Love is coming off a game where the Arizona Cardinals' rushing attack, particularly their duo runs, looked really good against San Francisco. Mina Kimes notes the Cardinals can move the ball on the Giants in a way Tennessee could not, and the run game should have success given the Giants' weak run defense. The Rams ran duo 13 times against New York in Week 2 and averaged close to 8 yards per carry.

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PositiveUsage59:01

Jeremiah Love was giving it to the 49ers' run defense on duo runs in Week 1 against Arizona; the 49ers' run defense is not good and is a weakness despite improvements in other areas. Love's performance suggests the Broncos should be able to run effectively against San Francisco.

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Joe Burrow

PositiveProjection47:21

Joe Burrow has the highest EPA on deep passes through three weeks of the season, leading a Bengals offense that is producing explosive plays at the fourth-highest rate in the NFL. The offense has evolved from a 2021 'bombs away' approach to a more balanced attack, but is now back to creating explosive plays at an elite rate.

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Jordan Love

NegativeProjection25:24

Jordan Love's offense is ranked 29th in offensive success rate through three weeks, an unprecedented low for a Matt Lafleur offense. The inability to run the ball and offensive line struggles have severely hampered the Packers' offensive efficiency.

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Justin Jefferson

NegativeInjury56:20

Justin Jefferson left the Vikings game last week with an ankle injury but is expected to play this week against the Dolphins, though he was not practicing on Wednesday. His absence last week distorted the Vikings' game plan.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveUsage70:35

Walker leads the entire NFL in yards after the catch through three weeks, a key metric in Andy Reid's highly schemed Chiefs offense that emphasizes short passes and YAC. This elite YAC production is central to the Chiefs' fifth-highest explosive play rate despite Patrick Mahomes' league-low 5.8 average pass depth.

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Kenyon Sadiq

PositiveUsage47:42

Kenyon Sadiq has been one of the Jets' incredible playmakers when Geno Smith has time to throw; he's making plays on deep balls and contributing to the Jets' strong offensive performance through the first three games.

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Kyler Murray

PositiveProjection13:00

Kyler Murray and the Cardinals offense have been one of the feistier, more underrated units in the NFL through the first few weeks. The offense is methodical and coordinated, not fluky, with a veteran quarterback. While the run game doesn't create explosives and ranks last in the NFL in that category, the offense can consistently move the ball and string together first downs, making them capable of scoring in the red zone.

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NegativeProjection55:30

Kyler Murray had his lowest success rate in a game for his career last week against the Bucs (ranked 98th out of 98 quarterbacks in drop back success rate); the Vikings' offensive success rate was the second worst of any offense in a game this season with only nine first downs. Murray looked very uncomfortable despite the win. He needs to show improvement against the Dolphins—doesn't need 300 yards, but needs to look like a more competent passer. This is one of the biggest storylines in the NFL to monitor because if Murray can perform like the 15th best quarterback, the Vikings have a real chance to make noise with their strong defense and Brian Flores' coaching.

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Lamar Jackson

PositiveProjection54:14

Lamar Jackson looked incredible last week against the Cowboys; his game was one of the most efficient quarterback performances of any player this entire season. The Ravens create explosive plays and can hit on plays for 25+ yards, making their offense a machine. Jackson's season has the potential to be really special.

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Marcus Mariota

NegativeRole10:00

Marcus Mariota is competent enough to run the Commanders offense if Jayden Daniels cannot play. Mina Kimes notes he didn't look great in limited action but is able to run the offense competently, making him a viable backup option.

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Matthew Stafford

NegativeMatchup41:37

Pressure has been Stafford's kryptonite this year; he struggles with pressure more than most quarterbacks. The Rams are expected to go super run-heavy on early downs to keep Stafford out of high-pressure situations, especially if Nikua is back and Ferguson is out, using 11 personnel to punch the Eagles in the mouth.

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Nico Collins

PositiveDepth Chart21:00

Nico Collins is back and practicing for the Texans in Week 4 against the Cowboys, expected to return to the lineup.

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PositiveRole21:00

Nico Collins is back in practice and expected to play in Week 4 against the Cowboys. Mina Kimes notes the Texans offense is "definitely a much better offense with Nico Collins" and can imagine a scenario where "Nico goes crazy, work in the middle of the field against these safeties." Despite dismissing the Texans' run game and offensive line, Kimes sees Collins as a potential bright spot in the passing game.

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Parker Washington

PositiveUsage31:24

Parker Washington caught a touchdown from Trevor Lawrence last week, exemplifying the Jaguars' success throwing between the numbers where they rank third in EPA per play (0.41). Mina Kimes highlights Washington as one of the receivers benefiting from Lawrence's tight window throws in this area of the field.

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Patrick Mahomes

PositiveProjection70:35

Mahomes is playing at an elite level this season, described as looking 'out of his mind' and 'vintage old self.' His average pass has traveled only 5.8 yards downfield (last in the NFL), yet the Chiefs produce explosive plays at the fifth-highest rate and lead the NFL in yards after the catch. This represents a dramatic shift in offensive philosophy under Andy Reid's return, with Mahomes executing a highly schemed, short-passing attack effectively.

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Travis Hunter

PositiveRole45:45

Travis Hunter's defensive role has expanded significantly week-over-week; he played a career-high 42 defensive snaps last week compared to only 5 on offense, with his role increasing every single week. He now faces Jamar Chase and T Higgins in a matchup that Mina Kimes views as a key fantasy focal point for Week 4.

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Travis Kelce

PositiveUsage70:35

Kelce is among the NFL leaders in yards after the catch through three weeks, a critical component of Andy Reid's highly schemed offense that generates explosive plays despite Patrick Mahomes' league-low 5.8 average pass depth. Kelce is also featured in a potential 'passing the torch' matchup against rookie Brock Bowers in Week 4.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveMatchup30:21

Trevor Lawrence loves throwing between the numbers, and this is a perfect matchup against Cincinnati; the Jaguars rank third in EPA per play (0.41) throwing between the numbers this year, behind only Baltimore and San Francisco. The Bengals' defense has a clear weakness in the spine/middle of the field, with corners being their strength. Lawrence attempts tight window throws between the numbers, and Mina Kimes expects him to exploit this vulnerability, citing his recent touchdowns to Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington as evidence of his precision in this area.

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0:38Shilka Patia, the host, one of the hosts of The Ringer NFL Show.
0:42Welcome back. Thanks for having me. I feel like last time I was here we were ranking some coaches and I already
0:49might have some regrets about where I had Jim Harbaugh, but we don't need to talk about that.
0:54We got week four here coming up. Ooh, now I want to revisit those rankings.
0:59I feel like Reid might be one where he was still high, but we demoted him a little bit.
1:05He might be climbing back up into the rankings.
1:07I think we were both very high in Ben Johnson, and that certainly has aged well.
1:12Yes, feel good about that one. Okay, so as always, we're here to preview the games.
1:17Week four, the quarter point is the, yeah, it's almost, it sort of is the quarter point, whatever.
1:23It's quick math. Of the NFL season, starting to get a little bit more of a feel for these teams.
1:29Some, some good games. Honestly, I, my process is like I do all the schedule and then I send whoever I'm with
1:35the, the games where I think like both of us should cover a side.
1:40And I had like seven and I had to, I always try to get it down to five, but it was hard.
1:46There was some hard cuts, Sheil. There was one that we'll get to later that I think if you were doing this
1:53like before the season, there's no chance you would have thought that, you know, I'll just say it now.
1:59Yeah. I don't know that Raiders chiefs. We would have thought would have been a prolific matchup in week four, but that's, what's fun about it.
2:07There you go. Raiders chiefs. Um, Ben asked me the line on that and I missed, I thought it would be closer than it was.
2:14He had me guess it. And the chiefs were favored on Tuesday by four and a half.
2:19In Vegas, which actually I was like, wow. Okay.
2:22A lot of chiefs respect. Fair enough. All right.
2:25So, uh, I did not give us both Thursday night football.
2:28I just gave it to myself. Two teams coming off of wins though.
2:32An AFC North when, uh, I think last week when they advertised this game, I believe they put up Aaron Rogers and Denzel Ward.
2:39You could always tell a Thursday night game maybe doesn't have like the star power.
2:44If it's not two quarterbacks, and they're just like, Oh, should we do?
2:48But, um, I, I will say this, this game does have more intrigue, particularly after the wins, the Browns we talked about at Tuesday at length.
2:56Uh, I'm I it's just, one's just me. I've got the matchup or I've got the key and I'll just throw it to you.
3:03Shield is week three Rogers for real is what I want to put out there.
3:08So I know you're gonna have thoughts on that, but last week, Aaron Rogers threw for almost a hundred yards under pressure.
3:14That is the most he has thrown under pressure since September, 20, 24th, 24, pardon me.
3:19It is the third most in the last four years since he has started playing or since he has been on, he
3:26was on the jets and, and the Steelers. Um, and I will say again, like he did a lot of things last
3:33week against Cincinnati that I just haven't seen him do in a while.
3:37He threw under pressure. He threw a little bit on the move.
3:40He was throwing downfield. So here we go. Uh, they shredded man coverage against Cincinnati.
3:45Cleveland plays the fourth most man coverage in the NFL.
3:48Can you do it again? Aaron, what do you think?
3:51He did. He was fantastic last week. Yeah. I was watching it.
3:54Cause sometimes I think I caught up with that game, uh, the next day and I saw the numbers.
4:00I'm like, all right, is this, you know, the couple of screens here and there.
4:05And I was like, no, he actually, like you said, pushing the ball downfield, looked mobile, looked athletic.
4:10I think with older athletes, it's like not just football, but older athletes.
4:14There's always like that one time they can get to that point, you know, and they kind of suck you back in
4:21and you're like, Oh, I remember when that person was incredible, but for a 17 game season in football, it's a lot harder.
4:28So was it real? I feel like maybe there's a flash here and a flash there throughout the rest of the season.
4:35I don't think he's going to play close to that level just because it's kind of unprecedented at 42 years old, unless you're Tom Brady.
4:42So I would say the odds are against that, especially on a short week here going up against what looks like a feisty Browns defense.
4:50I would expect it to look a little, little bit different this week.
4:54Sure. We come back to earth a little bit.
4:56The one thing that I do think is sustainable and I'm interested in seeing if it also repeats, uh, this week is
5:03Mike McCarthy calling like a surprisingly weird and fun offense.
5:06Like that was so part of my shock was like Aaron Rogers doing that under pressure.
5:11And then the other part, I mean, the Steelers coming out in a full house formation and then getting that screen to
5:18Warren for 30 yards with Friar moose blocking downfield, Benny Sko's you call him that right?
5:23Slytherin through the V gap on the play action touchdown, all the things he was doing to attack the man coverage with bunch concepts in motion.
5:30Like the Steelers offense was legitimately creative and fun to watch in week three.
5:35That to me feels like something that Mike McCarthy can keep doing at least old head coaches having a moment.
5:41Some are saying, I mean, you know, we'll get to Andy Reed, but Mike McCarthy, everyone thought these guys were washed before the season.
5:48I certainly would never said anything close to that, of course, but you know, some people might've been saying, and yeah, he was good.
5:55There were guys wide open. They were scheming stuff open.
5:58You're at, you're absolutely right. Um, now the first two weeks, they were like the worst offense in the NFL.
6:04So let's look at the three game sample. Let's look, let's see what it looks like going forward.
6:10Made some changes on the offensive line. Got he Hanachor in there, uh, the first round pick.
6:15So maybe it's somewhere in between what we saw the first two weeks and last week.
6:20Yeah. I don't know. Uh, you mentioned old guys kind of coming out of nowhere or having resurgences.
6:25I said earlier this week, I was not buying any Deshaun Watson resurgence after revisiting the tape.
6:31Do you feel however, and that was against Carolina defense.
6:34This is against a much Pittsburgh, better Pittsburgh defense.
6:36Um, in terms of just like, I, I'm sure the Steelers are favorite.
6:40I don't have it front of me, but like, do you think the Browns office can get it going against them?
6:47Or are you just heavy? Are you, are you picking Pittsburgh here?
6:50Yeah, no, we, we did a ringer NFL episode and they were like, you know, Deshaun Watson at least looks like mediocre.
6:57And I'm like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
7:00Let's pump the brakes. I mean, he was like nine for 20 for 61 yards in the first three quarters.
7:06He threw for 144 yards. He had three turnover worthy plays that didn't end up in turnover.
7:11So, um, no, yeah, yeah. I'm, I am, uh, I'm not buying it.
7:15I think Munkin is doing a pretty good job of being like, let me try to just get the most of this out of this bad situation.
7:23But, um, no, I mean with that Steelers front, I think that there could be some mistakes here from Watson in this game that kind of costs Cleveland.
7:32All right. Pittsburgh, it actually has, uh, is only favored by two and a half and it's in Cleveland.
7:37So that's basically a pick him, which is interesting.
7:40Um, I'm on Pittsburgh as well. I gave you a game between two teams that also won last week, the Indianapolis Colts
7:47and the Washington commanders fresh off of upsetting the Goliath Seahawks.
7:50So what's your key in this game? London game, set your alarms.
7:54Here we go. It begins, uh, this week. Yeah.
7:57My, my key is, can the commanders find any success with their run game this week?
8:01That Colts defense has been getting gashed. I mean, they're 30th in DVOA against the run.
8:06They're 32nd in success rate. Ravens ran all over them.
8:09Chiefs ran all over them. Texans. I don't really count, you know, as a, like a professional run game, but even that way, it was horrible.
8:17But, um, like maybe the Bengals run defense performance against Houston, maybe in retrospect, yeah, with that in perspective a little bit.
8:24Yeah. Yes. We're getting some more data points here and we can make, you know, we can clarify some things we thought
8:31maybe after week one, but I did think David Blau sort of under the radar had some nice calls in the second
8:37half of that game against the Seahawks. Listen, it was one of those fluky games where better team turns football over a
8:44lot and, you know, inferior team gets out game by like 180 yards and still wins, but he had a nice screen call.
8:51He had a couple of nice run calls on third and long, including one with Mariota to kind of ice that game.
8:58So I feel like if there's going to be a week where the commanders can say, let's evolve from big below average,
9:04mediocre run game, uh, to something more than that, help out our quarterback a little bit, maybe keep our defense off the field a little bit.
9:12Maybe that's this game that they can find something, uh, on the ground against the Colts.
9:17Um, should be mentioned that commanders quarterback, Jayden Daniels is practicing at Wednesday says Jane Daniels returns to practice status versus Colts remains uncertain.
9:24That seems way too fast based on what that injury looked like on the field shield.
9:29And I do wonder if like, they're like, Oh, we're back in it.
9:33We want a game. It wasn't upset. I, I don't, I don't feel great about getting him out there.
9:39I don't know. I mean, I was on NFL live when Kurt Warner, uh, now I said, I played through that.
9:45I don't know if you caught that comment. Oh, I missed that.
9:49Wow. Uh, and he got, he got a little bit heat for it.
9:53And I try not to be too opinionated about player injuries in general.
9:57It's just not my area of expertise, but that thing looked cartoonish and I just don't know if it's worth it for
10:03either him or for, if, if, if, if it is something he can play through, you know, in, in the coming weeks,
10:10I just don't feel like they should brush it right now.
10:13Especially since Mariota, you know, he didn't look great, but he's, he's competent, you know, he's able to run the offense.
10:20Yeah. I I'm with you. I mean, when that injury happened and Tom Brady started cursing and I was watching the replay
10:27and I was looking at his legs, like, it doesn't look that bad.
10:30What's happening. And then I was like, Oh, okay.
10:33Um, it's, it's the elbow there. So yeah, I guess he's going to try to play through it.
10:39I'm with you. It doesn't feel great. It's like, is this really going to go well?
10:44But, um, I understand him wanting to play, especially people, you know, Hey, he's injury prone and, uh, he's too thin and
10:50all those things that he's probably has in his head.
10:53But yeah, I wouldn't rush him back if I were the commanders.
10:57I'm on Indianapolis in this. Uh, it kind of is similar.
11:00I mean, it's not. Okay. So like, we've got all these like older backups coming in.
11:05This will come up again, obviously throughout today. I just sometimes feel like when you have that first game, sometimes defenses just
11:12don't have the drop on you or what? And you know, it was this incredible upset.
11:17Doesn't it just feel like a prime kind of like, Ooh, Marcus Mario maybe make some backbreaking errors type situation, London rest Indianapolis.
11:24I'm not completely sold on them, but they do at least feel like they're trending in the right direction.
11:29Yeah. It's kind of like the new coach bump, the backup quarterback bump.
11:33It's like first game, maybe it'll go. Okay. After that.
11:36I don't know. I mean, I do think these are relatively even teams, you know, I don't like the commanders defense, but
11:43the Colts defense has not been good at all so far this season.
11:47I trust their offense. I trust Steichen a little bit more, but I think the commanders defense is just like, they have
11:54to hunt turnovers like they did last week because on a down to down basis, they're not going to be good enough.
12:00So he styles looks good though. I will say that.
12:03Um, okay. Speaking of rookies, I'm going to focus on one in Cardinals giants, which is me.
12:09Um, I just wrote, can Jeremiah love mow down this giants run defense because he's coming off a game where I thought
12:15the Arizona Cardinals rush rushing attack, particularly their duo runs, which they leaned into heavily against San Francisco, put a pin on that.
12:22When we get to the 49ers looked really good.
12:25Uh, and I was thinking back and I looked this up week two against New York, the Rams ran duo, uh, 13
12:32times against New York and averaged close to eight yards, a carry doing so now the Rams run game.
12:37All right. Mark's the best in the NFL. And obviously you're fearing the past game too, in a way where you honestly
12:44should be, but like, I think this Cardinals offense, which through the first few weeks of the season has been like one
12:51of the feistier, more underrated units in the NFL can move the ball on New York in a way that Tennessee just could not last week.
12:59Totally. Yeah, no, it's, they have been a surprise early in the season.
13:03Uh, it passes all the statistical, uh, the statistical evidence is there, but you're right.
13:07The run game, they, they don't create any explosives.
13:10It, you know, they're, they're like last in the NFL and all those, but it's just like, Hey, methodical, you want to go get another first down?
13:18We can do that. One more first down. We can do that.
13:22And then it's just like, are they going to score in the red zone or not?
13:27But I do trust them to move the ball when you watch them.
13:31It's not fluky. It looks coordinated. He got the veteran quarterback.
13:34So, uh, Brian Burns goes out for the giants.
13:37I think he's out for the season now there, you know, that front is just like, for how many years have we
13:43looked at it and been like, Hey, you go into a season.
13:47You're like, maybe that front's going to be a little frisky this year.
13:51And it feels like it just has never happened for the giants.
13:55I can either are Ricky Ardell Reese looks good.
13:57Like a lot of the young players look good, but I think like what we're seeing cross league is some of the
14:04situations is not enough to overcome their circumstances per se.
14:07Uh, I didn't get a chance or I refuse to react to the JJ McCarthy trade when it happened in real time.
14:14Um, but I do want to nod to that because obviously it was a big story this week.
14:19He is obviously not going to be starting for the giants this week, or maybe anytime in the foreseeable future.
14:25Um, I do think I wanted to hear your thoughts on this.
14:29James Winston is going to be kind of playing for his job though.
14:33Right? Like, because for the first two weeks, he has not looked good.
14:37He has really struggled under pressure in particular. And while I don't think this Arizona Carlos defense is very good.
14:43Um, I do think there's some heat on like the McCarthy trade.
14:47I only think about it in the context of like, okay, you're probably adding, putting a little heat on Winston if he wants to maintain that job.
14:55And I think just when you don't have a quarterback, you can take a bunch of bites at the apple.
15:01Even if there's like, I don't know what the percentage would be a 5% chance.
15:05You think JJ McCarthy can ever be an average starter.
15:08It's like, he's on a rookie contract. You're trading a fifth round pick.
15:12I just think it makes sense to exhaust all those options.
15:16Even if you're not sure of it, it doesn't mean you think he's amazing.
15:20It doesn't mean he's your quarterback of the future, but you don't have one with Jackson darts injury history here.
15:26So I'm with you. Jameis doesn't look the same physically like the arm, you know, it's, it's a different kind of bad,
15:33but in the past, where's the, yeah, at least it used to be in the past where it's like, okay, cool.
15:39At least we're going to, he's going to take shots downfield and every now and then he'll, you'll give you a drive.
15:46That's exciting at least. And it's not exciting right now.
15:49It just looks bad. Um, yeah. So yeah, I, you know, I, like I said, I don't, I can't get worked up
15:55about fifth round draft pick in general. People are like, well, is this a mistake for New York?
16:01I'm like, no, I don't, who cares? It's a day three pick.
16:05Like, I'm not going to get mad about it, but I'm also not going to tell you it's a brilliant move or
16:11that he's got this like untapped upside because every, every sign, every data point suggests that's not true at this point.
16:18So I don't care. Like, it's fine. It really is fine.
16:21My TV producers are so bad at me. They're like, come on, you got something.
16:26I'm like, I don't, I just can't, I can't guys.
16:29I can't do it. Um, I need like take Viagra or something.
16:32Um, okay. I'm on Cardinals cause I genuinely believe that offense is, it'll be interesting when like the real, like when DVOA
16:39starts kicking in stuff, I want to see, you know, like what it looks like at the midpoint of the year, but
16:46yeah, thus far it's imminently watchable at minimum. So.
16:48Yeah, for sure. Cardinals too. Uh, yeah, sorry. I keep forgetting to pick the games.
16:53Okay. Cardinals at giants. I'm sure Cardinals let's go with that situation on this.
16:57It opened at giants by seven and then now is Cardinals by two and a half, which did that happen after the JJ?
17:04I don't know. Giants at seven. That had to be like maybe before the season or something.
17:09Yeah. That had to be a real look ahead line.
17:12I know. Um, okay. So this is interesting cause I gave you Cowboys Texans, which I think would have been a obvious.
17:19We got to really drill into this game, the battle of Texas.
17:23Part of the reason why I felt like we didn't need to talk about it at length is that I've talked about
17:29both these teams a lot and I just don't know what else to say about the Texans at this point.
17:35How do you feel this way? You're a daily NFL podcaster.
17:39Like, don't you just feel like it's repetitive now when we talk about this offense?
17:43Like what is new? What is new? What is there left to say?
17:47Sorry. I know this is your game, but no, that's okay.
17:51Yeah. I went to the other side of the ball.
17:54Cause you're right. It's like, there's not a lot, uh, new to say about that Texans offense.
17:59It's felt like it's the same conversation for like three years.
18:02Now I was going to go a little game management here because both those coaches disgusted me with the way they did
18:09with the way they handled last week's game games, but you know what?
18:13I went in a different direction and I think it's more interesting.
18:16Cowboys offense versus Texas Steve Texans defense. Great. Yes.
18:19Ken Dallas hunt explosives in the past game. Cause I think that's been a really interesting part of the early season with
18:26this Texans defense is that it almost feels like opponents are resigned to the fact that we're not stringing together nine, 10, 11 play drives against these guys.
18:34They're too physical. Uh, Hunter and Will Anderson are too good.
18:38We're going to run into a mistake at some point.
18:41We're not going to be able to run it, run the ball.
18:44So let's just try to get them downfield. And Josh Allen did a week one, but it's like, it's Josh Allen.
18:51Of course he can do that against anybody. Joe Burrow in week two was interesting because they didn't move the ball consistently,
18:57but he hit on enough explosives where that game ended up being a blowout.
19:02And then even, you know, you look at last week and the Colts had success pushing the ball downfield.
19:07So I think the Cowboys offense has been terrific so far.
19:11This season, but it's been way more methodical than explosive.
19:14They're one of those teams that it feels like can string together those drives every single week.
19:19I'm curious if they can do a little bit better job of, Hey, we don't have to play the way we've been playing.
19:26We got to make sure we hit hit on some big plays against these guys so that Hunter and Anderson don't, don't wreck the game against us.
19:34Yeah. The, the explosives point is really interesting because it did feel almost like the bills didn't lay down the blueprint, but
19:41they showed the league, like you got to attack these guys.
19:44Right. Because it was something we talked about around that game was the defense, the Texans defense last year, opponents had like
19:51maybe the lowest or second lowest time to throw.
19:54It was a lot of quick game because they were so afraid of the pass rush.
19:58And then they have a really good tackling defense that would just kill drives.
20:03Um, so the bills were kind of, it was interesting.
20:06They refused to play into their hands. They said, no, we're going to, we're going to attack.
20:11And then the, the, the bangles, it was, it was a lot out of structure stuff for burrow.
20:16Yeah. Like you said, they attacked and then the cold smash.
20:20I wasn't sure if they would be able to, because of, um, Jones is like mobility being a little bit dicey, but
20:26he did just enough to buy himself time in the pocket so that they could hit on a few as well.
20:33Um, and we know Dallas is absolutely capable of doing that.
20:36Uh, I do wonder Dak and the Cowboys sometimes when they face really good defenses, just go like hyper quick game or a good pass rushes.
20:44I actually think maybe I had a week one.
20:47I had a stat for his quickest time to throw games.
20:50And I want to say one of them was Texans, but I'll have to double check that.
20:55So it's definitely something they do do, but I think your point is important.
20:59Like, I don't think that's the way against this team.
21:03You have to really try to attack them. Um, I will add, okay.
21:06On the, on the Texans note, Nico Collins is back in this game.
21:10Oh, is he? Okay. A very, or he's practicing today.
21:13I assume he's going to be, it seems like that.
21:16It is admittedly a much better offense with Nico Collins.
21:20I know I was kind of pat and dismissive and I still do not believe in this run game.
21:25I don't believe in the offensive line. I don't believe in the other receivers, but you can definitely imagine a game where
21:32Nico goes crazy, work in the middle of the field against these safeties who are just the whole linebackers being am I going to take the Texans here?
21:40Yeah, I am. I'm taking Texas. I'm taking the Texans.
21:44I'm not giving up on them. Oh, and three.
21:46I know they were oh, and three last year.
21:49These have been, you know, two out of three have been coin flip games and their defense is just going to keep them in most games.
21:57And I don't know that the Jaguars are going to run away with that division.
22:01So yeah, I think they are a desperate team here.
22:04Although I guess I probably said that last week, but even more desperate.
22:08I'm like, how many times can I keep picking the freaking Texans and being like, there's no way they start here.
22:15Yeah, there's a desperation. But I mean, if the Cowboys lose this, they're one in three themselves, which is crazy to think about.
22:22But that's all right. Packers bucks. Pretty simple here.
22:25I wrote, is this the week the Packers, the Bucks pass rush shows up.
22:29God knows they'll never have a better opportunity than this one.
22:32So there's the Packers side of that, which I'll get to, which is obviously the aforementioned opportunity.
22:37But the Bucks pass rush has been really underwhelming to me this season.
22:41And I come into the year thought it would be one of the kind of feistier, more like upstart, you know, units
22:48and thus far can see Elijah can see leads the team in pressures 48th league wide.
22:53Yaya Diaby is 83rd. Ruben Bain Jr. didn't play last week, but he is not thus far been a factor.
22:59Green Bay. Meanwhile, we just saw put together one of the worst performances by an offensive line.
23:04I think I've ever seen. Is that overly dramatic?
23:07Ever seen? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it was bad.
23:10I don't, I wouldn't say ever seen, but it was bad.
23:13Yes. I might be wrong. Maybe it was. It's pretty bad.
23:17Statistically. I think not that past Black-Win rate is the end all be all, but I think they said it was the
23:23worst ever, but, um, but the way they've measured that has changed a little bit too.
23:28So I won't stick to that. A lot of, uh, a lot of activity in green Bay.
23:33They signed, uh, McKay Becton, Lakin Tomlinson and Kevin Zeitler of those three guards.
23:38Zeitler at least has played good ball recently. So that's the one where I'm like, okay, that, that could actually help because
23:44the guard situation is by far the most dire part of the offensive line.
23:49Aaron Banks has been hurt. Um, the guy, what's his name?
23:52Oh my God. Monk. Yeah. It was so hard to watch, to rewatch the other one.
23:57Also, uh, Burton, Burton and Monk. That should be a law firm, not the two starting guards.
24:02You could just be making up names. I would have no idea.
24:06Yeah. And I don't know. Uh, it is, it is dire, dire hours in green Bay.
24:11At least they're doing stuff. I will say that I love, I hate it when a team is a nightmare and they're
24:17like, we like the guys in house. We like our ability to develop them.
24:21No, no, there was nothing to like. So at least they're trying stuff.
24:25Um, but yeah, this is it, right? Like if you, if, if Tampa can't get it going this week at us, and
24:32then obviously Tampa has a backup quarterback, Jalen Daniels playing instead of Baker Mayfield.
24:36But if the Bucks defensive line can't feast, then there's no hope.
24:40I don't remember seeing anything like this where you just sign, like normally you look at the veteran offensive lineman and you
24:47work them out and you pick like your favorite one.
24:50They're just like, bring all of them to us.
24:52I mean, Zeitler, Tomlinson, Beckton, two of them could be starting very soon.
24:56I think Tomlinson was, uh, practicing at left guard during practice, uh, according to the athletic.
25:01And then I think Matt Lafleur is like, as soon as Zeitler's ready, he's out there and he's our right guard.
25:08So this is highly unusual. I think they are feeling the heat.
25:11They're feeling the pressure after last week to your point, rightfully.
25:15So kind of miss evaluations on your own guys, where it feels like for years, you would look at the Packers offensive
25:21line before the season and be like, I don't know.
25:24Do I, do I love these guys? But then it'd be like, Nope, they kind of coach them up and figure it
25:31out and end up being good enough. That was even the case this summer, but you know, they didn't evaluate them correctly
25:38because that has really torpedoed their season. I mean, these two teams are 29th and 30th in offensive success rate through three
25:44weeks of Matt Lafleur, Jordan love offense ranking that low is really, uh, unprecedented.
25:49So yeah, this is like full panic mode code red for if the Packers were to lose this game, uh, to the
25:55box with jail and Daniels, I don't even know what the conversation would be like around green Bay next week.
26:01Uh, I think that Packers defense bounces back here after last week.
26:05I genuinely cannot put it. I just can't do it with this offense, the inability to run the ball.
26:11They've got to figure that out too, because you know, I must've just absolutely killed Matt Lafleur not being able to call
26:17like a single, uh, but like they there's, they just can't write.
26:21Like I, it's you, they have to figure out a way to put together at least, um, the threat of running the
26:28football because that was just a nightmare. Um, I can't pick Tampa with Jalen Dan.
26:32I can't do it. I did ask, uh, Nate Tice, our friend, big prospects guy.
26:37He said he's a fan of him, not as a starting quarterback, but he said he's fun.
26:42He, you know, is a bit of a playmaker does stuff with his legs.
26:46So, um, it could be like, you know, he could do some fun stuff out there, but I can't do it.
26:53I'm going to, I'll take green Bay, even though it's just, yeah, it would be great if Kevin Zeitler comes in and saves the day though.
27:01I'll say that. Yeah. It's so funny. I, I texted my friend, Fran Duffy this.
27:05I'm like, well, what do you got on jail and Daniels for me?
27:09Uh, this way you see similar. He's like toolsy, uh, fun, a high energy.
27:13I think he started 44 games in college. He was there forever.
27:17So, um, maybe he'll be a fun new character in our lives, but yeah, with that, Oh, with the offensive scheme design
27:24coaching there, I can't be too bullish on it.
27:26Right. This isn't case Keenum super experienced that walking into a beautiful machine.
27:30This is an offense that was struggling with Baker Mayfield.
27:33So, um, okay. Jags bangles. Finally, a game that you'll merits full attention.
27:37Um, you go first here. I gave you the bangles offense against the Jags defense.
27:42Great matchup. Yeah. What do you have your eye on?
27:45I've got Travis Hunter and the Jaguars DBs against Jamar chase and T Higgins.
27:49I think this is, I know it's not just, Oh, he's going to match up on one of them the entire game.
27:56I understand that's not how football works in 2026, but, uh, the Jags look incredible so far, just kind of on both sides of the ball.
28:04I'm so impressed with how they've played, but this Travis Hunter situation last week, he played a career high 42 defensive snaps, uh, to only five on offense.
28:12So he has, they, they have evolved his role on defense.
28:16I think it's increased every single week. And now he goes up against chase and Higgins who have just sort of carried that bangles offense.
28:23I mean, it has been incredible two weeks ago.
28:26I feel like Jamar chase won that game against the Texans.
28:29You know, it was like him and Dexter Lawrence.
28:32It was really speaking to me about stars can actually just put a team on their back for one week.
28:38So you saw that T Higgins has been incredible as well.
28:41And Joe burrow, this bangles offense, it first came on the scene in 2021 and was like, Oh, it's bombs away downfield.
28:48And then they were like, Nope, teams are going to take that away.
28:52And teams did continue to take that away. They're back to being incredible creating explosive plays.
28:57And I know it's a small sample so far this season, but they're producing explosive plays at the fourth highest rate in the NFL.
29:04Joe burrow has the highest EPA on deep passes through three weeks.
29:08And some of them are throw them up. Chasen Higgins are really good and they're going to make a play.
29:14We saw that last week with Higgins touchdown. So, uh, I'm very excited about this matchup between those wide receivers.
29:20Uh, Travis Hunter, his expanded role. Uh, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun.
29:25Yeah, I, I was, I'm really impressed by the Jaguars defense over the course of the season.
29:30But last week, you know, in against, uh, Denver in the first half, they were really good in the second half.
29:36They just weren't getting enough pressure on Bo Nix and some of that had to do with, you know, obviously the Broncos,
29:43um, offensive line is very good, but it's a defense that like you said, it's probably going to play a lot of
29:50zone Cincinnati faces close to the most zone in the NFL for very obvious reasons.
29:54Um, I'm really interested in that, that front though, because like I said, Josh Heinz Allen, I thought was incredible against new
30:01England, even though they were like throwing bodies at him.
30:04Uh, I wonder what it'll be the Bengals approach in this.
30:07They've been using a lot more two tight end sets as well, uh, which, uh, has allowed them to run the football pretty good.
30:15So I, I think, I think on that side of the ball, it's a pretty like fair fight to be honest.
30:21Um, yeah, I, I feel like on the other side, the Jaguars offense.
30:25Okay. So I'm not like selling Cincinnati per se after last week, after they got carved out by Mike McCarthy, but I
30:32do fear that a lot of the things Pittsburgh did to them in that game are things that Jacksonville can do at
30:38a higher level potentially because of who the Jags have been on offense.
30:42Uh, but my key was attack them between the numbers, which was clearly a priority for Pittsburgh in that game.
30:48And it is very obviously the weakness of this Bengals defense the spine, right?
30:53Cause the corners are quite good. Only 21% of Rogers throws in that game were outside the numbers, which has to be
30:59close to the lowest key, especially over the last few years.
31:03Uh, you know, who loves throwing between the numbers?
31:05Trevor Lawrence loves it. And when he does it, this is just this year, the Jags are a third in EPA per
31:12play behind only Baltimore and San Francisco 0.41 EPA per play throwing between the numbers.
31:17Just close your eyes. And think about some of the throws you saw last week, including the touchdowns to, uh, Jacoby Myers and Parker Washington.
31:24Uh, I, I genuinely believe Cincinnati's probably got to take away the football from him, which is possible, right?
31:30I, when he throws, because he does, he attempts like very tight window throws too between the numbers.
31:35But I feel like Liam Cohen is going to really try to take advantage of that part of the field.
31:42Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson, without the same PR. I mean, it feels like, you know, yeah, the end doesn't get the same
31:48pop, but they never lose the Jaguars. It's like, he's on an incredible run here for a year, uh, and a quarter.
31:55And the offense has been amazing. Like I said, I've been as impressed with them as any other team in the NFL so far.
32:02And yeah, you make a good point with Trevor.
32:05Like when I did, I was actually picturing it when you, you gave me those instructions.
32:10I'm like, all right, let me picture Trevor Lawrence's throws and everyone tight window.
32:14All right. Who is this? It's a different receiver every single time.
32:18Is that Parker Washington? No. Okay. Is that Jacoby Myers?
32:21No. Is that somebody I've never heard of? Okay.
32:23Yep. He just, uh, cut a touchdown as well.
32:26So, uh, I'm with you. I think the Bengals even coming into the season, their defense, it wasn't like they're going to
32:33be top 10, you know, shut teams down. It was like, they need to reach a baseline to give their offense a chance.
32:40And I think that's kind of what this game is about.
32:43I mean, I would be really surprised if we came out of this game and we're like, oh, the Jaguars only had,
32:50you know, 16 first downs or something like that.
32:53Like they're not going to shut them down. Can their pass rush be good enough?
32:57Can they capitalize on whatever mistakes Trevor Lawrence kind of throws their way?
33:01Um, I think that's, and I know you talked about the Jaguars run game I saw earlier this week, which I was looking at the same numbers today.
33:10I'm like, oh man, that is, that is a huge difference from where they were, uh, last year.
33:15So they are a tough offense to defend the Bengals defense just kind of has to give their offense a chance in this game.
33:22I'm going Jacksonville. Um, I just think they're one of the most balanced teams in football.
33:27I do. I just like really love what I've seen on both sides of the ball.
33:32I think they're really well coached. I think they're putting together good game plans, but specifically to my offensive point, I think
33:39that they are a good, this is a good matchup for them.
33:42Yeah. I like the Jaguars, uh, as well here I'm bullish on the Bengals.
33:47Uh, I, I had them winning that division before the season.
33:50I still think they're a good team, a very good team, but I think their defense will just continue to need a little bit more time.
33:58I think the Jaguars are the better team right now.
34:01I'm wondering what I'm going to pick against the J I know they lost to the Broncos, but after this, you have the Eagles Texans.
34:08That's tough Colts, the Ravens do Jags Ravens. It's fine.
34:12Is that Monday night football? It says November 5th.
34:14Oh my God. That's a great game. Whatever it is.
34:17Ooh, buddy. All right. Uh, speaking of the aforementioned Eagles, we are both on this game, Rams Eagles.
34:23Uh, you can go first here. She'll I graciously gave you the Eagles offense against the Rams defense.
34:28Still no miles Garrett in this game. Uh, I think Jalen Watson is definitely out.
34:33So what, what is your key here? Of course, for those who don't know, she'll, uh, follows the Eagles very closely.
34:39In addition to being an NFL podcast, I should have mentioned you are, uh, the host of the, um, really Ringers Philly special.
34:46Okay. I got it wrong last time. Yeah. Um, sorry.
34:49Uh, I want to update ramp. So Jalen Watson is likely out.
34:53And so is Terrence Ferguson. Interesting. Puka Nakua is questionable.
34:56I was going to say, thank you for giving me an opportunity to talk about the Eagles offense, you know, walking down the street and to other parents.
35:04It's like, I just don't have enough chances, uh, to do this.
35:08Uh, my key is, can they find answers with their early down offense?
35:12I mean, first and second down has been a complete disaster for that.
35:16They are 28th in success rate on early downs.
35:19They want to run the ball. They run the ball at the fifth highest rate on early downs.
35:24That's not the only issue, but that has been an issue last week.
35:28Maybe the only bright spot on film from them just getting destroyed by the Chicago bears, their run game in the first
35:35half was as good as it's looked all season long.
35:38The offensive line was moving people. Saquon Barkley had what?
35:4170 plus yards. Yeah. In the first half. So I'm looking at that saying, is that actually something to build on with
35:48this outside zone scheme that we've heard, uh, so much about, or was that just a little fluky first half type deal there?
35:54So I want to bring up something specific to that, that Ben and I got into a little bit, which is something that the bears did.
36:02I would be very surprised if the Rams don't do as well as when Jalen hurts goes under center blitzing, uh, to
36:09both to stop hurts, but also to stop some of those under center runs, which was an issue for Philadelphia.
36:15Sean Mannion didn't seem to have answers for that in this game.
36:19Do you think there are answers for them? If the Rams were to do the same thing?
36:24Yeah, I would think they would need some type of plan B because he had that destroyed them in the second half and that's destroyed them.
36:32You know, their play action game under center flash was a big talking point all summer.
36:37Like, all right, they're moving to this scheme. It's been the worst in the NFL there.
36:42And it's not a high volume. It's a small sample, but it feels to me like every time they run under center
36:48play action and Jalen hurts turns around, there is a defender in his face.
36:52And to what you and Ben were talking about blitzing, uh, those blitzing the a gaps, that's what teams are doing to
36:59destroy some of that, uh, those under center schemes.
37:02And the Eagles haven't had an answer for it quite yet.
37:05So I don't know what they would move to here, but I just feel like they need to get some easy layups
37:12on first and second down and they shouldn't be screens because their screen games are disaster too.
37:17Not a lot's really going, going great for that.
37:20But like Sean Mannion, the Packers offense last year was so good at the short passing game, right?
37:25And it wasn't just screen. They're always so good at finding ways to give the quarterback a little easy buttons that yards after the catch.
37:33Surely there must be some way for him to manufacture that in Philadelphia in response to these blitzes.
37:38I would think that, I mean, you know, the first half of that game, they put together two good drives where Hertz
37:45look comfortable the week before it was the same thing.
37:48So they had these little pockets that look okay, but you know, they played this Rams defense last year and Chris Shula just blitzed them.
37:56And it was a terrible, uh, passing game for the Eagles in that game.
38:00So they need to have some answers and be ready for that in this game.
38:04Was that the Jalen Carter black field goal game?
38:07Or am I thinking of, yeah, I think that was Jordan Davis.
38:11Yeah. They've played a bunch in the last. Yeah.
38:14Jalen Carter had the sack in the playoff game.
38:16Yeah. Uh, yeah. Oh, the playoff game. Yeah. Uh, okay.
38:19Other side of the ball. Uh, all right. So NFL live on Tuesday after the Monday night football disaster, we're talking about,
38:26you know, what we saw from the Eagles defense.
38:29And the thing I think we focused on is something I'm sure that everyone in Philadelphia has noticed, were noticed and was
38:35upset by as well, which is how unbelievably poorly they handled motion in that game.
38:40The bears game, just miscommunications guys playing different coverages, very perplexing stuff from a Vic Fangio defense that I would like to
38:47remind folks last year was second to eat league wide against passes using motion behind only Houston.
38:52So we're talking about this and mid conversation, I pull up the schedule and go, Oh no camera.
38:57What I, what I remembered through their flag this week, because what do the Rams do uh, more so almost than any
39:04team in the NFL, they use motion at the snap.
39:07Uh, so obviously that's a huge key in this game.
39:10I want to ask you a question though about the motion and the handling of it.
39:15Um, so obviously Zach Bond, you know, is who had a tough one, uh, is your middle linebacker there.
39:21But a lot of the miscommunication seems had to do with like Cooper de jean, like not like with the other corners.
39:27It's time to like, maybe re reconfigure the secondary perhaps because safety was a big problem in this game.
39:33Has there been any talk in Philadelphia potentially just, I know they signed Kenny Moore of moving to jean back there.
39:40Do you think that might solve some of these problems?
39:43Like what, what is happening? Like why, what, what was that chill?
39:46I mean, I thought Ben Ben Johnson seemed to have such a great grasp on the Eagles coverage rules and how they
39:53handle stuff like motion and releases and just kind of toyed with them.
39:57And you know, the, the one big one, I think that was Cooper de jean and reek woolen, who is one of
40:04the new members, uh, of the secondary. And they cut, they cut the receiver loose and he gets open for a 41 yard touchdown.
40:11De jean has also been playing with an injury this season.
40:14I think he's been fine the last two weeks, but early on, uh, he didn't, he, yeah, he didn't look as good.
40:21I think Fangio has been very hesitant to move to jean to safety full-time because we've seen him for two years, just
40:28be such a menace in the role that he's in and always be involved, uh, at nickel, playing the run coming downhill, being involved in the action.
40:36So I think it's something they would consider because Fangio obviously doesn't like the safeties.
40:40They were going with a safety rotation at one spot in that game.
40:44And I really think he went into that game being like, it's case Keenum, we're going to stop the run and play action.
40:51In addition to the motion just killed them. I mean, their safeties, their linebackers are firing downhill and Ben Johnson's like, no,
40:58we'll throw the ball with case Keenum. I'm not afraid of this, uh, 38 year old.
41:03He can get it done one night for me.
41:05So there's a little bit of a history of these Eagles defenses under Fangio struggling the first month of the season, him
41:12figuring out the personnel, uh, and then, then going forward.
41:15But the last thing is their pass rush has not been nearly good enough.
41:19I think they had the third lowest time to pressure in the NFL.
41:23Jalen Carter's playing with one hand. He's got a wrist injury.
41:27So yeah, Fangio has got to kind of earn his money a little bit more this year because it's not like, oh,
41:33you have just pro bowl players at every position right now.
41:37Well, pressure has been Stafford's kryptonite this year. And I know everybody always says all quarterback struggle with pressure.
41:43He struggles with pressure more than most. No, just, um, and for me, I think the Rams are just going to go
41:49super run heavy on early downs to try to keep them out of those situations because I think they can, especially if
41:56Niku is back, I could see them. And with Nikua back Ferguson out, if that's how it shakes out, I could see
42:03them going very heavy 11 personnel, get the Eagles to match it and nickel to try to punch him in the mouth and run it down their throats.
42:11Um, so that's something that Philadelphia, you know, who's run defense has been, I know they were okay last week, but a
42:18bit of a question mark early on, they've got to show up.
42:21I just don't love what I saw from this defense last week.
42:25I think your point is like the, I had them as a top four defense.
42:30They'll be better. They got to figure some stuff out, but I'm going with the Rams here.
42:35Yeah. I like the ramps too in this game.
42:38I mean, the quarterbacks they faced case Keenum and cam ward and Jaden Daniels in week one.
42:43Now it's Stafford and McVay and then it's Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen.
42:47So I'm very curious to see how we're talking about this Eagles defense two weeks from now.
42:52If they pull off the upset, it'll be because the defensive line went crazy, which is possible.
42:57You know, Gernard's getting healthier. I thought he had some good moments.
43:01He almost got to case Keenum. Um, all right, I'll be quick on Pat's bills.
43:05I wrote Drake may just lean into the quick passing game right now.
43:09It's the one thing I watch where I feel he looks comfortable, uh, is when the ball comes out quick.
43:15Uh, when not so much when he's trying to push it down field, uh, and it's something that Buffalo has struggled with.
43:22They've allowed 41% of quick passes to convert into first downs, which ranks 28th league wide their bottom 10 in pretty much every metric against that.
43:30Um, I would normally say run on Buffalo, but I don't have confidence in this Patriots rush rushing attack.
43:36So I just feel like right now just simplify things, you know, keep it like clearly the young quarterback is coming off of a really tough stretch.
43:44This is an easier opponent on paper than the three you just face.
43:48Keep it simple, pepper them. Keep Josh Allen off the field.
43:51Yeah. I think you want to settle him down a little bit because just hearing him talk kind of makes me sad.
43:58I'm like, oh man, this guy, so he needs a pep talk.
44:01Like, so I feel like we're going to get a story in new England.
44:06One of those, like Mike Rabel showed him a clip of like his 50 best plays from last year to remind him of who he was.
44:13It feels like Drake may needs that type of sit down meeting at some point this week.
44:19But, um, you know, the one, if you're, if you're a Patriots fans, we're just down in the dump.
44:24I mean, they're 21st in offensive success rate, which is measures.
44:28How often are you producing a positive play? It is the turnovers that have really killed them.
44:33And I know it doesn't, you're like, who cares?
44:36The turnover still count. I understand that. But when you're looking at a small sample, the success rate would indicate that the offense is not completely broken.
44:44They're losing a lot of the high leverage stuff right now, but it's not quite as bad as it might seem.
44:50So I think your plan for them, uh, is a good one against a Bill's defense that has looked pretty vulnerable.
44:57Also when on quick game, I just pulled this up because I feel like it's true.
45:01Drake may interceptions has not thrown a single interception when he's, it's all been longer developing place.
45:07Quick game. He's actually 10th in success rate right now.
45:10So just lean into the strengths. Obviously they don't have confidence right now in their offensive line based on the game plans they're pulling out.
45:17Um, but I do think if they just, just, you know, don't be too ambitious.
45:22This bill's defense has a lot of weaknesses. Uh, I'm taking Buffalo though, to be clear.
45:27So yeah, I got the bills too. Yes. I, I feel I've been agreeing too much, right?
45:32I'm not, I'm going to switch it up on some, I know I, or maybe I thought we would, I thought you
45:39would take the Bengals and I would take the Jags.
45:42I know I'm always high person on the Bengals, but this Jags team has turned me so far this, this year.
45:48All right, let's take a quick break, come back.
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47:30Terms and conditions apply. All right, we're back. Jets Bears is you.
47:33What's your key? I've got the Bears pass rush against the Jets offensive line because it's really felt to me this season when Geno Smith has time.
47:42Their playmakers have kind of been incredible. Watching that game last week, I'm like, oh my gosh, Garrett Wilson, Kenyon Sadiq.
47:48Yeah, he's just throwing it up there to those guys and they're making plays and their offense has really been quite good through the first three games.
47:56So I think if they can protect Geno, we saw at the end of that game against the Lions what kind of
48:03happens when you don't and they create the turnover.
48:06But Bears have not had a great pass rush.
48:08They're 26th in pressure rate. They blitz at a top five rate.
48:12They can get creative when they get you into third down.
48:15I mean, Dennis Allen had the Eagles, Jalen Hurst.
48:18Their heads were spinning in that game on third down.
48:21But I think, you know, Geno Smith, veteran quarterback, Frank Reich, veteran OC, they're better equipped to handle those things.
48:27So yeah, that's kind of where my eyes go towards this game.
48:31We don't know for sure who's starting for the Bears at quarterback as we record this podcast.
48:36But I think the other side of the ball, I think the Jets could really, you know, have a chance at pulling
48:43off the upset or at least keeping it close with their offense.
48:46I want I so it's funny because I just checked on case Keenum's or Caleb Williams is injury.
48:52This is how broken Google is. The first hit I was like, Caleb Williams status was a Fox News story that says
48:58Caleb Williams seemed casually pacing Bears sideline during national anthem.
49:01Oh my God. Googling injuries. Now this is a first world problem.
49:05But for people in the football content space who want to Google injuries before podcasts, it's a complete disaster right now.
49:11I would much if there's a service where you can just text me somebody and just give me updates on the key players.
49:18That's a that might be a business idea for someone.
49:21I do think it'll be case Keenum. I do think that you do.
49:25That's interesting. I mean, it says here, Caleb's not practicing Wednesday.
49:29But what about do you think he would go back to Tyson Bajan if oh, sorry.
49:34Yeah, because that's a hard question. I kind of have gone back and forth on that.
49:38Do you are you like, nope, Keenum played well, leave him in there.
49:42Are you like, all right, we kind of got away with something there, but maybe you're like, you know what, let me ride it out.
49:50I had the viral interviews, got the best moments of my career.
49:54My family got to see me like have this incredible win.
49:57Yeah, maybe just retire. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
50:00Um, I do think like it felt like they just like took the Eagles defense by surprise.
50:05And so I think it'll actually be harder for the Bears passing game to dominate this week.
50:10And I do think, like I said, Gina has been playing quite well.
50:14And I really like the threats receivers more than the Bears corners.
50:18I don't think I can pick the Jets here just because of Ben Johnson, the coaching disadvantage.
50:23Yeah, but I want to but I won't. Yeah.
50:26Will you? I can't I got burned by you know, I felt the same way you did.
50:31It's like a great coach backup quarterback. This always works for the last 2530 years, especially the first time.
50:36No, I think the Jets will keep it competitive.
50:39It will be a feel good loss. Maybe they covered the spread of three and a half, but I will not pick them to win this game.
50:47There's only one game left where okay that I feel like we can separate.
50:52Um, okay. It's not obviously Titans Ravens. It's just mine.
50:55Um, I'll be quick here. I kind of at the point where I really need to see something from Cam Ward to stay on this train.
51:03And I'm not even like on the train, so to speak, because I've, you know, I don't think I've, I've been sure going this off season.
51:10I was, I would say cautiously optimistic and through the first few weeks and after the preseason, I kept dimming it, dimming it, dimming it.
51:18I just watched the giant science game. It's ugly.
51:21Um, I will say on the touchdown drive and in the second half generally, but particularly in the touchdown drive, he did improve.
51:28He looked like he was playing a little faster.
51:31The ball was coming out. He was seeing the field.
51:34Okay. But it's gotta really start looking up. And the thing is like, I, you know, like the skill pairs aren't, don't
51:40look like total world beaters out there and the run game is just kind of meh, but the offensive line is playing good enough.
51:48Uh, like this should be more productive than it's been.
51:51Oh, I also don't like this game, but like I freaking RPOs are killing me, but, um, that's kind of what I wanted to focus on here.
51:59I don't know. What have you thought about cam board so far the first two weeks of the season?
52:05I don't know how you feel about him generally too.
52:08So you can tell me that. Have you had the, have you had the exchange on a group chat?
52:13What did the Titans do if they get the first pick in the draft?
52:18Has that happened? Not yet. Not yet. That's I've had that thought.
52:21I've had that thought already. It feels first. I think they might be the worst coach team in the NFL.
52:27So I do want to cut him some slack just overall.
52:31I have been entirely unimpressed with everything from special teams to in-game decision-making to the offensive scheme.
52:36I was not bullish on the scheme coming in.
52:39Cause I looked at day balls last three seasons and it's like, he had two terrible offenses and then he got fired.
52:45And the quarterback who we couldn't win with went to Indianapolis and looked like a totally different guy.
52:51I'm like, why, why should anybody be so excited that he's going to get the most out of cam word here?
52:57So, um, I don't feel encouraged by cam word.
53:00I see the raw talent for sure, but kind of everything else has worried me from decision-making to accuracy where I kind
53:06of view him on, on the Sam Darnold track at this point where I don't think it's going to happen soon.
53:13I'm not giving up on it for his career.
53:16Like it's not one of those where I don't see it at all, but I don't think it's going to happen soon.
53:22And I'm not sure it's going to happen in Tennessee if, and when it does happen.
53:27The offense is like, they don't really ask him to do much.
53:31They clearly don't trust him, but they're also not creating schematic advantages for him in a way that like put a contrast to the opponent.
53:38I I've found Declan Doyle to the first three weeks to be incredibly enjoyable and actually is doing a really good job.
53:45He obviously has like an all world quarterback. He's been awesome, but like the way he uses a skill players, the way
53:52he gets them open, the way he gets in matchups has been really impressive to me.
53:57And, um, I think the Titans defense is better than their record, but I think Baltimore wins this one pretty handily.
54:03I agree. Yes. The, the Ravens have looked, uh, better coached and I don't know Lamar Jackson.
54:08I don't know if there's an OC, they like, he looks incredible, right?
54:12The way they create explosive plays, um, this year, specifically, even given some of the wide receiver injuries has really been something.
54:19And I love offenses that can do that where it's like, we don't just have to be perfect down after down after
54:25down, because you know what, at some point our quarterback's going to hit on a play for 25 plus yards.
54:32It just makes life a lot easier. He, he last week, Lamar Jackson, I know the kick got all the hype, but
54:38that was like one of the most efficient quarterback games of any, any player this entire season against the Cowboys.
54:44The offense would have machine if they just stopped running Derrick Henry short yardage.
54:49I know the short yardage, short yardage is killing these teams.
54:52How did I say this to somebody was asking me about that?
54:56And I said, I'm pretty sure they just do it because they're getting yelled at.
55:00And then after the, like, I've noticed this in the past with the Ravens, the office coordinators, they always call a lot
55:07of Derrick Henry runs the week after getting yelled at for not doing it enough.
55:11It felt reactionary to me. So I agree. They got bullied.
55:15Don't get bullied. You have Lamar Jackson too. You can involve him in that game.
55:19Who was, Oh my God. I just feel the season he's having is the potential to be really special too.
55:25And all right. Uh, you have dolphins, Vikings, Ken Kyler Murray, look more comfortable.
55:30I think Vikings fans are a little upset with me with some of my tweets, uh, this week about just how bad
55:36that Vikings offensive performance was last week. Me and I don't know how much you've dug into the numbers from that game, but nine first downs.
55:44It was the second worst offensive success rate for any offense in a game this season.
55:49It was Kyler Murray's lowest success rate in a game for his career.
55:53And if you look at every quarterback so far this year, it ranked 98th out of 98 quarterbacks in drop back success rate.
56:00Now I say that as someone who picked the Vikings to make the playoffs and it was bullish on this team.
56:06And I'm happy there three and all, and I get all the caveats.
56:10Listen, he was coming off a concussion. Justin Jefferson leaves the game.
56:14He's still in a new scheme. So I'm not saying that's what we're going to see all season.
56:19It's just kind of like, this is one of the biggest storylines in the NFL to monitor right now, in my opinion,
56:26because if Kyler Murray can perform like the 15th best quarterback or something, the Vikings have a real chance to make some
56:33noise with how good that defense has performed and how good Brian Flores is at his job.
56:38And I just want to see like a step in the right direction.
56:42He doesn't have to throw for 300, but I want to come away from that game that gets an inferior opponent being
56:48like, okay, last week was a tough spot for him.
56:52He looks at least like a more competent passer in this game because he just looked very, very uncomfortable despite their win against the Bucs last week.
57:00It was like three deep passes and a bunch of crap, basically.
57:03Hard to watch. And it's not just Kyler, right?
57:06The run game. That's kind of the more surprise.
57:09I think I thought the Vikings run game with Kyler in particular would look really fun and good.
57:14You know, I just think they brought, well, apparently everyone involved, the Dolphins staff, Mike McDaniel, Frank Smith, they hired him.
57:21I was like, ooh, you get the Viking. The Dolphins run game.
57:24Well, apparently that's not good anywhere anymore. I do think he gets a little bit of grace for the reasons you said coming off the concussion.
57:32Also like hasn't played. Had a weird competition this summer that went on way too long.
57:37So there's just kind of some weird mitigating fact.
57:40They also lost Justin Jefferson in that game and it felt like I'm sure that really distorted their game plan.
57:46So actually let me double check on Justin Jefferson.
57:49I think he's playing this week, but like you said, I need the surface, but I do think good news on Justin
57:55Jefferson's ankle injury, but he's not practicing on Wednesday.
57:58So he might not play in this game, but might be fine.
58:02It's the Dolphins defense, man. I'm there just bad.
58:04So, and then it's Brian Flores against Malik, Willis, poor Malik, Willis and company.
58:09So I will take the Vikings here, but your point is really good because yeah, this is a team that now has
58:15like a pretty clear path towards winning division. The way things are looking with everyone else, Chicago, obviously that one was big
58:22and maybe, you know, getting Kayla back and they'll get back on track, but the Vikings have every chance to be right in there.
58:29So Kyler has to play better. All right. Next game is probably my favorite game of the week.
58:35Broncos Niners. Let's freaking go. Let's go. I want to see this.
58:38I want to see Brock Purdy against this defense.
58:41I want to see Bo Nix. Can he do it in the first half?
58:45I want to see these two sicko coaches go head to head and be super passive aggressive with each other.
58:51Y'all go first. So you're on the Niners offense, which is really the main event in my opinion.
58:57Uh, so here's the, okay. I know I said Broncos offense.
59:00Can Bo Nix, have I told you my theory about him or my, um, Hey, no, let's hear it.
59:06Are you a dog owner? I forgot. I am not.
59:09No. You familiar with the concept of the zoomies?
59:12No, tell me when a dog's like just too hyper, they have this thing called the zoomies where they just like run
59:19around and like they run in a circle. And if a dog has zoomies, you have to take them outside and just
59:25like, let them run around, get it out of their system.
59:29And then they can be like a good dog, a good boy and follow orders and listen to you as such.
59:35Okay. I think with kids sometimes too, like with kids.
59:38Yeah. Totally. I think Sean Payton needs to take Bo Nix out to a field before the game and just let him
59:45run around in a circle for like 20 minutes and then he'll be ready to play.
59:50Cause I feel like that's what he's doing in the first half.
59:53He has the zoomies and then he calms down by the second half.
59:57What do you think of this theory? I love it because when, even when they show the pregame shots or him on
60:04the sideline, yeah, he looks really like, yeah, he's like wired, amped up.
60:08Like what? Yeah. I don't know what his pregame routine is.
60:11Is he, is he drinking coffee? Is he doing something else?
60:14But I think that would be worth a try because we're on what a year and a half of this now.
60:21Um, here's what I want to see in this game from Denver.
60:24Can you run the damn ball? And I say that because I think this Niners run defense is not good.
60:31I understand they've been improved in a lot of ways, but I watching Arizona, I talked about this earlier, Jeremiah love on those duo runs.
60:38He was giving it to them week one, the Rams aforementioned also do a run game was for all of Matt Dafford's foibles in that game.
60:46They were running it down their throats. This is an iron run defense.
60:50That was God awful last year. And I think they're run defense.
60:54I think they're better this year, but that to me is probably the biggest weakness of the entire football team.
61:00Non-substation division, the Broncos run game. I don't understand why it's not better.
61:04Um, it is a constant source of frustration and people are always like, it's the scheme or it's the back since Dobbins.
61:10And I don't know, but like, I really think for Bo and for this offense, they have to find a way to run the football in San Francisco.
61:19Um, because if not, I don't love what he might look like in the first half.
61:24You're right. It is hard to explain. Everybody loves the offensive line.
61:27Everybody it's Sean Payton. He schemed up a run game before in his life.
61:32This shouldn't be new to him, but it was pretty mediocre last year.
61:35And you thought coming into this, this season, maybe it can be better.
61:39And they're 16th in rushing success rates. So to your point, Niners are 29th defensively against the run, if you just go by success rate.
61:47So this would be a get right type game, but yeah, I, if the zoomies aren't a problem, I feel like, you
61:54know, I feel like against the Niners, there's a lot you can kind of do to this Niners defense, just kind of
62:00the state state they're in right now. Um, but you never know what you're going to get from that Broncos offense.
62:07So maybe you're right. Maybe that calms him down a little bit, run the ball early.
62:12And then if he needs to cook a little bit, uh, in the second half or create some explosive plays, you can do it.
62:19Then what do you got on the fun side or not the fun side, but like the, there were like 50 things
62:26on this side, right now I didn't know what to choose.
62:29I wrote down so much we could get into.
62:32Um, I think the, you know, just in terms of this specific week and this specific game, the Broncos defensive backs against
62:38the 49ers wide receivers, where you look at the 49ers wide receiver room, they lost Pierce all free before the season.
62:45They lost dribbling. They lost to Marcus Robinson. They lost Christian Kirk.
62:48Mike Evans, I think is questionable with the rib injury.
62:51I mean, the wide receivers in that game last week, Debo Samuel could Daryl Hodge, Jacob cowing, Jordan Watkins drink.
62:57If you think I made up one of those names, uh, now, but I just think going up against one of the best secondaries in the NFL.
63:06And then I came to, I'm like, I was writing this down and then I'm like, does it matter if you have
63:12like right now, is there a supporting cast where I told you it's Purdy it's Shanahan?
63:17Is that I had, they reached that point where it's like, it kind of might not matter.
63:22You need, um, I've often thought about this. You need one of Kittle and McCaffrey.
63:27If you take out, if, if they were the two players who was hurt, I'd be like, nah, we out.
63:33I can't do this. You just need one of them for me to feel like they can make this work.
63:39The receivers take it or leave it. I mean, it doesn't matter.
63:43It does matter. But like, you know what I mean?
63:46Like if you want me to like, can Kyle, it is like, you know, chopped, right?
63:51Like when they give them the like incredibly random and bizarre ingredients and it's like, can you make a souffle out of
63:57like candy corn and chicken nuggets and eggs? It's like, as long as I got eggs, I can make a souffle.
64:04I, the eggs are Christian McCaffrey in this situation or George Kittle.
64:07One of them has had one of them. I like that.
64:11Yeah, no, that I feel in these coaches like Ben Johnson last week, Shannon, they love when they're shorthanded or, you know,
64:17it's like, Oh, watch what I can do now.
64:20And then they come out and they put, I mean, their offense has looked unstoppable.
64:25First three weeks of the season, um, best offense in the NFL last 10 seasons.
64:29I think the only offense that's been better through three weeks, the 2023 Miami dolphins.
64:34How about that? Sorry, chargers fans. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a shock when they don't score.
64:39So there's a bunch of other stuff we could talk about, um, upfront that battle.
64:43Do they blitz? Do they not blitz? Can they win with four?
64:47But I'm just kind of curious about those great defensive back, mostly great defensive backs against these wide receivers.
64:53Um, the Broncos run defense has been a little hit or miss this year.
64:57The Niners are back to running the football. Well, this season, a lot of the stuff they do and Kyle use check
65:04and the motion game, and maybe he's the egg.
65:07I don't know. Uh, Kayla on black, uh, pretty, as you mentioned, is playing incredibly good football.
65:12I think Denver's got to turn him over. Uh, Talanoa Hufanga.
65:15You have one mission, my man. Yeah. Former Niner.
65:18Who's he's like, like really, really good. I mean, was obviously the superstar of the Sunday night game, but advanced Joseph has
65:24to find a way like Mike McDonald's been really good at this at because pretty amazing, like few games he's had.
65:31He'll push it a little. He'll, he'll try some stuff.
65:34And you as a defense, because of how efficient they are and how they'll slice through you.
65:39When you get those opportunities, you better come down with the football.
65:43So that's it for Denver in my opinion. Yeah.
65:45I think they, they, an aggressive style where they're blitzing a lot, you know, they like to blitz a lot anyway.
65:52I was actually looking at Purdy's numbers last year, which I didn't realize last year, he was 27th in EPA per play
65:59against the blitz so far this year. He's first.
66:01So I know those are noisy numbers and can vary season to season, but I'm with you.
66:06I think if you're the Broncos and you look at your defensive backs against those pass catchers, you're like, we can afford
66:13to maybe throw some bodies at him if our pass rush isn't getting home.
66:17So I think that'll be a big key here to how often they blitz and what happens when they do blitz in this game.
66:25God, I was so heavy leaning San Francisco, but listening to you talk about those D backs and maybe the blitzing.
66:31I still think San Francisco has a lot of matchup advantages.
66:34I think San Francisco's defense, their weakness to me will be going up against teams that can run the football really well.
66:41Denver's just not been that. So I think I'm going to stick with San Francisco, but a little worried now.
66:47I liked the Niners. I was scared about them coming into the season because they had so many older players and I
66:54still wonder what that's going to look like in December.
66:57But right now, while they're healthy, I mean, I don't know how you can really bet against that offense right now, unless you're worried about the turnover.
67:05So yeah, I think this is a nice spot for them at home here.
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69:36I'll be quick here. I'm checking to see if Julian loves back.
69:40God, they need him back. By the way, the safety play was not great.
69:44Um, I'm focused on the other side of the ball.
69:47I wrote, can the Seahawks win the personnel game?
69:50So the Seahawks offense, which is very heavy to tight end offense, similar to the beginning of last year has been very
69:56good passing and very mid to bad running the football so much so that they wouldn't run at the goal line at
70:03all and refuse to give Jerry and price the football.
70:06It's a whole other weird storyline. Um, but also like what your first round draft pick was a running back, he fumbles
70:13and you don't let him touch the football again.
70:15Can we just take a minute to acknowledge that that's a little weird?
70:19It's fair, right? Yeah. I, I think, I mean, coaches are always, I feel like coaches have the different philosophies on the
70:26guy who fumbles, you know, it's like, do you put your arm around them and are like, throw that out the window.
70:33We trust you. We believe in you. Or do you go the other way?
70:37And they're like, you're not getting the ball because you fumbled even separate from the fumbles.
70:42They don't seem to trust him in a lot of situations.
70:45They've been using way more Wilson and Holani. I think that anyone expects this is your first round draft pick.
70:51I know it's like, they just want a super bowl.
70:54So it's like, can we criticize him for anything?
70:57But like that was, there's some other positions that look a little thin right now and not saying I'm not out on him as a player.
71:05I'm just, they're out on like, look how they're using him.
71:08But anyways, what I wanted to say is this, um, Seattle.
71:12So in terms of the personnel game, they use a lot of 12 personnel.
71:16They pass out of it a lot. They're great at it.
71:19Uh, and then when defenses counter that playing nickel, they're actually excellent running the football.
71:24So a lot of their bad run numbers are because even to play a lot of base on them.
71:30I think versus LA, that's just kind of the game you play.
71:33You walk out with two tight ends. If they match it with their LA's about, they play a 42% base.
71:39This is how they've been our last few years, a little bit more nickel.
71:44If they're going to play nickel and dime, you just run on them.
71:47And then if they put a back around the field, you throw on them.
71:52This has been the Seattle offense. Now since Clint Kubiak, Brian Fleury has kind of continued those tendencies.
71:57Um, you just try to get matchups based on personnel.
72:00And I thought Darnold last week, like that wasn't a game I watched live.
72:04I caught up on it the next day. I thought he looked incredible coming off that injury.
72:10I know. Yeah. I know he had the, you know, uh, interception there at the end, but I was like, Oh man, he is, he is slinging it.
72:18He looks confident here. So, uh, I don't know what to make of that chargers defense.
72:23They create all the turnovers last week. That certainly wasn't their fault before that.
72:27I had a lot of questions about them, but they look better.
72:31But, um, yeah, I w I would not, if I were looking for my first win in the season and I was
72:38having the season from hell and it was the biggest disappointment in the NFL, I would not be wanting to go face
72:44Mike McDonald's defense, uh, with that team coming off of a loss.
72:48So I think this is quite a tough spot for the chargers and I don't know what happens if they go.
72:54Oh, and four, if anything happens. I think they have, do they have Houston at no, um, I'm trying to think the schedules.
73:01There's a Baltimore in there. It doesn't get easier.
73:04Yeah. There's a chiefs in there. I think Seahawks Broncos chiefs Rams Texans Ravens.
73:08Holy crap. Yeah, that's right. That's one of those where I feel like when we read out schedules, a lot of times
73:15people will name mediocre teams and I'm like, settle down your name in every team.
73:19No, that actually is legit. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe the Texans.
73:23Um, all right. Got a few more games. Chiefs, uh, Raiders.
73:26You alluded to this. We're both on it. You can go first.
73:30You have the chiefs offense, right? Against the Raiders defense.
73:33Patty Mahomes. I know. Well, this is interesting because this is one where I dove into it a little bit more and there were things that surprised me.
73:41So my key is the Raiders ability to tackle in space because my eye test hasn't matched exactly what the numbers tell me on this chiefs offense.
73:50I don't know about you, but Patrick Mahomes, his average pass this season has traveled 5.8 yards downfield.
73:55That is last in the NFL. That's lower than any quarterback last season, including Aaron Rogers.
74:00Remember that Aaron, that version of Aaron Rogers we watched last year, Pat and my home, Patrick Mahomes, his passes have traveled a shorter distance than those yet.
74:08The chiefs are producing explosive plays at the fifth highest rate, which goes back to what we were mentioning in the beginning.
74:15Andy Reed just coming back and saying, you all said I was washed and I'm not why they leave the NFL in yards after the catch.
74:23Even the nerd stats about, you know, yak over expectation, their first, second or third in all of those.
74:29And do you know, the player, Mina, that leads the entire NFL in yards after the catch through three weeks?
74:35It's Kenneth Walker. It's Travis Kelsey. It's all players in yards after the catch.
74:39So, um, yeah, I'm very interested in this version of the chiefs offense.
74:43Like I'm watching when I watch it, I'm like my homes looks incredible.
74:47They're doing play action and pushing the ball downfield, which that's sprinkled in, but overall it's been kind of a highly schemed
74:54offense that yards after the catch with not a great supporting cast.
74:57And it's been one of the better offenses in the NFL.
75:01So I think the Raiders ability to tackle in space, limit those yards after the catch, uh, is actually going to be a big key here.
75:09If I told you before, not before the season sometime last year, let's say like mid last year, I don't know when
75:15both these teams were kind of in the doldrums and thinking about just what we've seen from them in recent years, that
75:22the Raiders and chiefs were two of the four best play action passing attacks in football through the first four weeks of the season.
75:29Would you have believed me? It's wild. Especially because I don't with Raiders, it's like, Holy crap, what's going on with the chiefs.
75:36That's never, that's just not been Patrick Mahal. This is never, in fact, Dominique, I used to always talk about this.
75:43This was an offense that for many years was worse using play action than, which never happens, right?
75:48Like usually play action is the easy button and numbers go up, but because they were never an under, there weren't an under center team.
75:56There was no commitment to the broader like philosophy of run pass.
75:59They were not good at it. They are running teams with play action right now.
76:04I think in the, the dolphins game at one point, now let me just look it up.
76:09Cause I'm just like, it was so insane. Yes.
76:12He was 11 for 12 for 183 yards and a touchdown.
76:15You see play action. Yeah. It felt like that.
76:18I mean, it felt like every snap was play action guy open in the homes, making a nice play.
76:24This is the play action bowl right now. This really is like, which defense is going to be better at defending play action.
76:31Um, because on the flip side, the Raiders, I talked about this early in the week, have also been an excellent, extremely
76:37well, schemed up play action pass attack. Um, and it actually, I just looked like, so offensively, I mentioned they're both top four defensively.
76:44They're both bottom 10 in play against play action, small samples, whatever.
76:48You don't want to read too much into it.
76:51I think both will be better, but that's both defensive coordinators, uh, smags and Leonard that that's your mission.
76:57You gotta, you gotta stop it this week. Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really excited to see how that plays out.
77:03Uh, on the flip side, I almost said the same thing I did for Aaron Rogers, which is like, is Kirk going
77:10to do this again or whatever, but I just keep it simple.
77:14What's your plan for Brock Bowers, man? What is it?
77:17Oh, this is okay. I talked about how this is a play action bowl.
77:21Is this Travis Kelsey versus a future Travis Kelsey ball passing the torch type game?
77:25Yeah. Like a lantern style. You're facing your younger self than like maybe Travis Kelsey goes crazy because of Brock Bowers.
77:32Yeah. Rock Bowers is like the student has suppressed the master.
77:35I don't know. It's like, I mean, he, I just could not believe what I saw from him last week.
77:41Like he's, do you think he's the best tight end in football?
77:45Yes, I think I do. I mean, I, I wanted to think, cause I know at one point last year before Tucker
77:52craft got injured, I was like, Tucker craft is the best tight end in football.
77:56Uh, he's coming off the injury and that hasn't happened so far this year, but yeah, we just yeah.
78:02Yeah. It depends. I guess what offense, but just in terms of who would I want?
78:07I mean, for a tight end to get that type of volume, that type of attention.
78:12And there's like literally no, I don't want to, you don't be disrespectful to their wide receivers, but there's not other guys.
78:18The defensive coordinators are coming into games against the Raiders saying, Oh, we have to worry about this guy.
78:24And this guy, usually you love to have three of those guys.
78:28They have one of those guys and he's a tight end.
78:31And I still would think he's going to have like 120 yards in this game.
78:36Big Nikobe Dean game as well. Thinking about the Raiders and play action.
78:40He was very, he's been incredible. Yeah. You guys miss him.
78:43You know, I, I actually thought he was going to sign with the Cowboys in the off season.
78:48And I, I feel like the cow, but he will ban that.
78:52He looks like one of the best free agency signings in football right now.
78:56I mean, he's making an impactful play every single week.
78:59All of the Raiders pre-agency looking at them now and just like thinking, looking at the roster and thinking about Linderbaum, the offensive line looks absolutely transformed.
79:08Honestly, like that's been, that was another thing that struck out watching Kurt is just how much better the offensive line looked.
79:14Um, defensively you got Dean, you added, I mean, I guess it was more, I mentioned it was Malcolm Coons who was
79:21already on the roster, but Taron Johnson, Kway Walker, like they've all been competent for them and really helpful.
79:27I'm going to take the chiefs here. However, because I think the chiefs defense has a better chance when going back to
79:33the, who's going to be better against play action.
79:36I have more faith in spags in that defense.
79:39And also Patrick Mahomes is just playing out of his mind right now.
79:43He's just looks really, really like his vintage old self, but your point about the explosives energy.
79:48I'm curious to see if they can throw deep on Vegas, because I think the chiefs defense, some of those numbers are
79:55skewed a little bit by week one because the passing attack was just non-existent week one.
79:59So I do want, I think it's going to keep trending up, up, up and up the way things are going, but
80:06the Raiders can make this a fight. Absolutely. I mean, they've been arguably the best coach team in the NFL.
80:12When, when you're watching a Raiders game and you're like, I've never heard of this guy and he's making an impact that
80:19happens like three times every Raiders game. That means the coaches are doing something with the personnel, getting the most out of those guys.
80:26So yeah, I'm not ready to pick them to go for no, but I don't think they're going to get blown out.
80:33I think it's going to be a game, uh, in the fourth quarter here.
80:37Mike mayor as well. I should have mentioned has been awesome.
80:40All right. We got two more. You are alone on Sunday night football lions, Panthers cat fight.
80:46It's it's, it's just about can Carolina's corners, keep them in this game?
80:50I mean, they had just got devastating injury news this week, both their corners, JC Horn and Mike Jackson out for a while on IR.
80:57They are rolling with a rookie named will Lee and a Caleb Evans.
81:01And here comes Detroit with Amon Ross St. Brown and Jamison Williams and Isaac Tesla got going, uh, last week.
81:07I just, it's kind of like what we, a little bit about like what we talked about with the Broncos, but to
81:14a more extreme degree where I feel like the Panthers have to lean into the variants and just be like, we're blitzing.
81:21How can we create negative plays? If we give up a 50 yard touchdown, so be it.
81:26We need turnovers in this game. I just don't see a path where they have the horses defensively to keep that lion's
81:32offense, which has been a very, very good. And in addition to their run game, Jameer Gibbs has been incredible this season.
81:39I don't think the Panthers can keep up with them.
81:42So I'm very curious about Evero. What's his defensive philosophy.
81:45Again, I would just kind of go crazy, be aggressive, hunt negative plays.
81:49Easy for me to say, you know, my job's not on the line here, but looking at it from afar, it feels
81:56like that's their only chance with this secondary situation against Detroit's offense.
81:59The bears run game week one against Carolina put up close to 300 yards between Deandre on the ground, just the run
82:06game between Deandre Swift, Kyle Manongai, Kayla Williams against this defense.
82:09Carolina is just such a bummer because I do think they could have been, I don't want to like call it on
82:16the season, but the injury started this summer and it's just not stopped and it's, it's important players and that it's just been brutal for them.
82:24Um, and Bryce, it felt like he was constantly under pressure against Cleveland.
82:28Um, you know, the lions defense certainly has its deficiencies and I think, I think Carolina can put up points on them.
82:35The other flip side of watching the jets game is this corner.
82:38It's a pretty, pretty gettable, but yeah, this lions offense against this, it just feels like an outlast situation where, you know,
82:45Carolina can keep punching back, but it's like, you got to score on every drive and a certain point.
82:51It's just too much. It's kind of like, um, the lions bills flip side for the lions, you know, in that game,
82:57they were able to move the ball in Buffalo, but it, all it takes is a couple stops.
83:03So I think Detroit, um, I feel pretty good.
83:06Oh man. Okay. We got one last chance. I assume you're on Detroit as well.
83:10Yes. One last chance. And I do think this is one where we will go.
83:15And I, I, this is, this is to me as a true pick him.
83:19This is the one I agonized over the most.
83:22Okay. Right. Don't you agree? It's close before we revealed.
83:25Yes. After last week, it feels very even. Um, I'll go first here.
83:29I just wrote B John in all caps. Um, because have you watched him, but also, uh, I'm very interested in that
83:35matchup because the saints run defense has been bad now that comes with a big caveat.
83:40The saints run defense has played the lions and the Ravens, two of the three games.
83:45So the, the, the run defense is 29th rushing success weight.
83:48You know, those are two of the, probably the best run games in football.
83:53I think we all agree. And against Vegas, I did think they looked better.
83:57Mike Washington broke off one big run, but they actually had him dead to rights and he just squirreled out of it.
84:04But to me, I do feel like this is like a big test because the saints run defense was actually really good last year.
84:11And I've been watching them kind of wondering, was that spoken mirrors?
84:15Is this just opponents or are we have really taken a step back this season?
84:19Um, Pennix jr. There's a little bit of, I do think the Packers were kind of taken by surprise through over the middle of the field.
84:27They weren't ready for that. Ball was coming out quick.
84:30He was under center, all of it. So I think this week there's a little bit of like, okay, we actually have
84:37some tape on him in this offense. We'll see, but it all starts in the ground.
84:42It all starts with whether or not you can stop Bijan Robinson in any capacity.
84:46That was one of the best offensive performances by any game, any team in a game this season last week.
84:52I mean, that was incredible. Bijan, uh, Drake London, like you mentioned it, Pennix.
84:56So yeah, that is a, uh, that's a good one for man.
85:00Rob Bijan is so, so fun to watch him and him and Gibbs.
85:04It's just like, it feels like they're going to break off a 45 yard run, uh, at any given moment.
85:10So that that's a good one for sure. On the other side of the ball I had, and I can't believe I'm
85:17saying this, the Falcons pass rush against Tyler shop, because I thought the Falcons were going to have maybe the worst pass rush in the NFL.
85:25I thought that Thursday night game was such a great illustration of a coach who can do more with less on one side of the ball.
85:33And maybe the other coach was not able to do that on the other side of the ball.
85:38You know, it's just like, you look at this Falcon step chart and CJ Henderson's I'm like, Oh, he's on the Falcons.
85:45He's looking like an all pro in that game.
85:48And overall this season, the Falcons, uh, I think are what seventh, eighth in, uh, in pressure rates so far this season,
85:54they're up there in time to pressure. So it's been pretty surprising what they've been able to do defensively so far and
86:01shock for as fun as he's been. And he's highly entertaining.
86:04I mean, Tyler shuck in the second half of some of these games looks like the best quarterback in football.
86:10He will take a sack. And that was the issue last year.
86:14His pressure to sack rate was terrible. It hasn't been great so far this season.
86:18And so the Falcons ability to win up front, create those negative plays, uh, and set the saints back, I think is a big key in this game.
86:27Yeah. Kind of similar. The, this is, you know, a big part of these first game early games, like the whole competition thing, right?
86:34Like I want, I'm like, okay, that was the Packers offensive line.
86:38Now I do think that they made the Steelers offensive line look abismal the prior week.
86:43And that's not as bad of a unit at all, even, and obviously they've reshuffled a little bit week one, Miami.
86:49So competition has factored into it a little bit, but they've survived.
86:53These first few weeks in a way I didn't think that they would the pass rush has.
86:58So I think it's a really good thing to shout.
87:01I would note, um, in this last game, uh, I thought Tyler shuck at the left side of the, um, saints offensive
87:08line, a seam Richards really got abused. He's been playing for Calvin banks, Jr.
87:12Let me check on his injury status actually, uh, against the Raiders.
87:16That was a real problem in that game for the saints.
87:19And like you said, yeah. Oh, banks, Jr is not injured reserve.
87:23Jesus. Um, Ooh, don't love that. Um, so yeah, that's, that's a big one.
87:27I do think, um, I think I, I, new Orleans receivers.
87:30I like in this game, as far as that matchup goes, also a renearing Jordan Tyson, potentially coming off of the hammy
87:37at some point soon, because, uh, cause when you think about like Devon Valle has been so great as a, as a
87:44two Juwan Johnson, obviously Chris Olave is the star.
87:46If you throw Jordan Tyson into the mix, suddenly that's a very fun, it's the group we hope they would be, but I think you're right.
87:54It starts in the trenches for New Orleans. Um, but I want to go back to pennants quick before we pick.
88:01Yeah. That's sustainable. Like, did you, or do you feel like that was a little bit like the Packers defense was just not ready for it?
88:08And he's playing so quick, he played so quick in that game.
88:12Once he settled down, he was accurate. Like I said, he was thrown over the middle, which is something he didn't do before.
88:19He looked, it looked like a different version of him.
88:22I did in the summer. I was, you know, thinking about a take of, Hey, Michael Penix might not, there was a
88:29statistical case that we shouldn't, he shouldn't have just been buried after last season.
88:33You know, I think it was like 23rd in EPA per pass play last year, which you're not throwing a parade for
88:40that or hanging a banner, but it's like, there's some level of competence here in the right situation.
88:45And I think with the run game, I think with the more competent offensive coaching staff, I think with the weapons he
88:52has like Drake London, I don't know. I think he can be okay.
88:56If he stays healthy, I, it's not going to look that good, but yeah, I think, I think he can be okay.
89:02With those circumstances, all he has to be is okay for, I mean, this is, this could be for the division right
89:09here with the way things are going with Tampa.
89:12This is a big game. Yeah. This game has a lot of juice.
89:16These fan bases hate each other. It's in new Orleans.
89:19I'll be there. Um, all right. You sound like you're going Atlanta.
89:23I was going to wait to see who you picked and just pick the other two.
89:27All right. Falcons. Let's go. I got the Falcons panics.
89:30I always believed in you. This is truly, I think I'm picking new Orleans in part because it's in new Orleans and I feel like shock hometown crowd.
89:39It's been close games, even in the losses, they're both one and two saints are two and a half.
89:45So it's a pick them at home. This could truly go either way, but I think Brandon Staley can watch last week's
89:51panic state and come together with a good game plan.
89:54And say, don't do that. Don't do what the Packers did.
89:58Yeah. Um, and I'm, I'm not, I'm not selling on shock.
90:01I'm still a shock boy. So that's what we call ourselves.
90:04The shock boys. If you want to join, you can, but you have to be positive about, uh, all right, that's it for the week.
90:12We did. We did finally diverge, even though it felt a little half-hearted at the end.
90:17Well, I forgot I had to pick games if I'm being honest.
90:21So I was just doing them on the fly, going with my gut, bad job out of me.
90:26I'll be better next time. I might just be very persuasive.
90:29Uh, remind folks where people can check out all of your work.
90:33Yeah. Ringer NFL show. And if you have any interest like, uh, Mina's mother-in-law and the Eagles, you can listen to the Ringer's Philly special as well.
90:41She might be a listener. I don't know if not, I should, she's a WIP listener.
90:46I'm on there too. She's, but maybe she's heard me.
90:49I do all. I don't think she listens to the one that I do all Philly, which you guys should check out.
90:56I follow the Eagles very closely because I do a bi-weekly Eagles appearance on Bo will show.
91:01So it's like, and it gives me incentive to like really play close attention to the team.
91:06So I was living and dying on NGS, those failed under center runs in the second half.
91:11Um, all right. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
91:15If you guys, as a reminder, um, my television podcast with David Dennis Jr.
91:19Viewer discretion, continuing with our lanterns coverage, we got one more episode.
91:23We're also covering the traders, which, uh, if you like the traders is a ton of fun to talk about, you can
91:29check that out on youtube.com at Mina Kimes or wherever you get your pods.
91:33Thank you as always to my friends at Omaha productions, Kirsten Sebecki, Owen Saylor, Jack Foster, Tucker Tush.
91:39And I also feel like I should acknowledge why I'm wearing this Jersey.
91:43It is a Yerry Mina Jersey from Columbia. My dad got it for me for my birthday.
91:48It used to say, why Mina? Now it just says Mina.
91:51But so people used to always use it as a meme.
91:55When I did something dumb on the internet, they would send me why.
91:59Anyways, that's why I'm wearing this. If you got to the end.
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