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0:26Only NFL podcast. One of the hosts heard me talking about Kenneth Walker and said, that's funny.
0:31I call Mina Lenny Walker. That's Lenny. I'm Mina.
0:33Kenneth Walker time. AFC West here to join me for the first time.
0:37Very exciting. I always love having a first time guest.
0:40Hayden Winks of now the Yahoo Fantasy Football Show.
0:43Just happened. You were traded. I was traded. Yeah.
0:45Exciting times over here. The industry is beyond crazy, but it's always a blessing to talk some football on here and got lots of Kenneth Walker notes.
0:53Yeah. And yeah. It's what a stacked division too.
0:56Yeah. I'm really looking forward to doing this because I've been doing these power rankings pods and I did.
1:02Next one comes out Monday with Bill Simmons and I had the chiefs ranked really low.
1:06And then while doing the prep for this, I started like second guessing that in a pretty big way.
1:12And, and, and, and, and, you know, cause I was thinking like, okay, the chiefs are, you know, in retreat, the chargers are rising.
1:19The Broncos have one of the best rosters in football.
1:22The Raiders are, you know, it's different kind of pro season for them.
1:26But the more I worked on the chiefs, the more I felt like there's potential to look really stupid for thinking that
1:32they're going to have a lost season. So let's start with them.
1:36Cause I actually also haven't talked about them that much this off season.
1:40I don't know if you guys like, I, I, I don't know.
1:43Cause they didn't make top 10 or 10 offices, top 10 offices or defenses pod, which again, the chiefs could totally have a top 10 offense.
1:51Right. And we could look completely dumb. Um, and I feel like the chargers have the shiny new thing with Mike McDaniel and the Broncos have Jalen Waddle.
1:59I'm really excited to get into that. And the Raiders have the new quarterback, but the chiefs, you know, it's like, what,
2:06what has there really been to talk about? And then as I looked at this, Hayden, I was thinking like, actually, there's a lot to talk about.
2:13And I'm kind of intrigued by this team. Yeah.
2:16I see it the same way. There's, there's still a lot of like moving pieces here.
2:21Like their entire defensive secondary is pretty much all new.
2:24They added two, uh, picks in the first and second round to help out in the defensive line.
2:29And then whatever we're calling the Rasheed rice off season, the homes coming, coming off torn ACL, uh, Xavier worthy is not rehabbing a shoulder injury.
2:37Um, and then the enemy is back. And then plus their two tackles are pretty inexperienced.
2:41So like this team is, I think pretty difficult to get a good read.
2:46I, I ended up calling them like the most fragile of like the top three in this division.
2:51I can see how this thing goes, right? But I do think there's more question marks with them than the other two.
2:57They're also like a classic positive regression case because of how badly they did, how historically badly they were in close games last year.
3:04One in nine in one score games. Um, I was just looking at FTN football almanac, which I encourage everyone to check
3:11out as always for some of those stats. And another thing that I, I, I didn't, I think I'd forgotten this perhaps,
3:17uh, only one miss on opponent field goals last year, which again is another thing that's not likely to happen again in terms of regression.
3:25In fact, they do, um, FTN always publishes Pythagorean wins, which is basically what the team's record should have been based on point differential.
3:32And the chiefs finished six and 11, but they actually should have been a nine and a half win team according to FTN.
3:39So like, do you hear that and think, okay, maybe Patrick Mahomes should have been nine, 9.5 wins.
3:44We're all nationally way too low on this team.
3:47Yeah. And then also like the last three games, I mean, they were completely unwatchable after Mahomes wasn't out there.
3:52So I think, I think they are a playoff team.
3:55I'm not sure if they should be the outright favorite for, uh, the AFC West.
4:00Um, and yeah, in my intro, I didn't even mention Kenneth Walker, which I do think like has like, yeah, let's get into that.
4:07Ripple effects. Uh, just because I'm going to guess they're not going to have Mahomes like lead the NFL and pass attempts
4:13as they have been, uh, for, for a lot of seasons.
4:17And like rushing borderline. Running. I mean, he like doubled up, I think his yards per game, uh, last year cause he had to.
4:24Um, so I wonder if they're going to go under center.
4:27It's like something that they have like toyed with at time.
4:30I think they have like the interior offensive line to do it.
4:34Um, and maybe this is their way to actually hit on some of these deep passes.
4:38The last couple of years, my homes have been like really like straight up bad throwing the ball down the field.
4:45Maybe they can start bringing safeties into the box because they have Kenneth Walker and then maybe Rasheed Rice and Xavier worthy
4:51can kind of figure this thing out down the field.
4:54But I do wonder if like, we're just going to see Patrick Mahomes under center a little bit more.
5:00I've noticed that in the training camp clips, it's a lot of like turning his back and it's obviously way too early.
5:06You don't know what drills are doing, but like that was like one thing I've been kind of looking at.
5:12Let's talk about that run game because that's the only real change.
5:16That's like, you know, they ran a back or receiver much to everyone's surprise.
5:20Although Stefan Diggs is still out there. We'll see.
5:22Uh, and also tight end, which I actually kind of found to be the more egregious thing when I started looking at
5:29the step chart, but put a pin in that.
5:31The big change was bringing in Kenneth Walker III from Seattle, the Super Bowl MVP.
5:36Um, and, and, and you know what hated that's been, what's often been cited is that they needed to make the run game more explosive.
5:43It's been the least explosive run game in football, 10 yard plus ones.
5:47And they, so they went out and got one of the most explosive backs in the NFL.
5:52I think that's true, but I also think people are sleeping on how bad this run game was and how kind of
5:59artificially inflated it's been by a few things. Um, because so they finished seventh in rushing success rate last year.
6:04Sounds great. You're like, okay, so they weren't explosive.
6:07They're efficient, but when you take out quarterback runs and then short yardage runs, I just literally took out only second and
6:14short, third and short, fourth and short. They dropped to 29th.
6:17And I think like my homes and the fact that they face the most light boxes in football has almost covered up
6:23for how bad this run game has been over the last two years.
6:27Yeah. I mean the success rate threshold, you have to pick up a fourth and fifth yard on first and 10 and
6:34like they cannot get a fourth and fifth yard for their life.
6:37So it's, it's pretty crazy. I had a very similar stat on, uh, for Kenneth Walker when he was not hit behind
6:44the line of scrimmage, uh, since 2022, he's fifth in yards per carry.
6:47And that's one thing I want to mention with Kenneth Walker, those Seahawks offensive lines were not nearly as good as what
6:54should be on paper, at least in the interior plus Josh Simmons with the chiefs.
6:58Like some of these like Kenneth Walker stats could like all of a sudden look a little bit better because I do
7:05think the blocking will just be a little bit better on his end.
7:09And in that same stat yards, uh, per carry when not hit behind the line of scrimmage, the chiefs running backs were
7:1546 and 51st out of 51 running backs. So you're just getting absolutely nothing, um, from them.
7:20And there's this huge history with Andy Reed and running backs.
7:23I was going back to like Jamal Charles, Brian Westbrook to Staley.
7:27And then LaShawn McCoy, the LaShawn McCoy seasons with Andy Reed, like 1800, uh, plus scrimmage yards.
7:32That was his 17 game pace in his final three seasons with, with Andy Reed.
7:36We haven't talked about Andy Reed and running backs in so long.
7:40Cause the chiefs have not had one, but like five years ago, it was like the talk of the town is like this huge history with Andy Reed.
7:48Hmm. I think Kenneth Walker is like a borderline first round pick and fantasy.
7:52And I do think that it's gonna be a huge, huge workload and I'm expecting the career highs across the board for him.
7:59To be fair to that. That is a little bit of an unknown here because Kenneth Walker has not had a huge workload in last year.
8:07Famously was part of rotation until the end. Fresh legs crushed it in down the stretch and in the post season.
8:13I actually think his ascent in the second half of the year had less to do with.
8:18Just having fresh legs and more just the way teams were playing the Seahawks personally and the way they were like stacking
8:24the box in the first half of the season.
8:27And then we're like, Oh, oops, Jason exists and just stopped.
8:30And then there was more room for Walker. But yeah, I think it's not unreasonable to surmise that this is a better situation for him.
8:38You see that at the interior, the offensive line is really strong quietly, by the way, like soon at Tia moving inside and like being really good.
8:46No one really talks about what a great move that was and how incredibly it worked out for the Chiefs.
8:51Josh Simmons, when he played, was very good. 11th, according to FDNs and pressure rate allowed and ranks really high in ESPN's past block win as well.
8:59Right tackle is kind of the question. Jalen Moore, it's unclear what they're going to do.
9:04But still, four out of five is pretty damn good.
9:07And I think the other unknown is what you alluded to, which is, is the run game going to evolve at all
9:14with Eric Biennemi coming back from Chicago? Which has a diametrically, had a diametrically opposite run game, right?
9:19Under center, outside zone. Very different from the Chiefs RPO gun centric run game.
9:23Is he going to bring any of that with him?
9:26I think that's kind of one of the more interesting off seasons because like everything else from the Chiefs offense, as you
9:32said, can they do play more play action? Can they take shots?
9:36Can Patrick Mahomes have time? It all flows to me over whether or not this run game can improve on basement over what we've seen?
9:43Built like that. Like it's one of the freakiest builds ever.
9:47Like he looked at like Washington. Yeah, I know.
9:49He, and he's like lost. I don't know. I, I, I.
9:52He'll figure it out. Yeah. I, I, I am optimistic.
9:55I also think the fact that the Chiefs, the questions about Josh Simmons really aren't off on the field, like to based
10:02on what we saw and the fact that the Chiefs did are throwing everything behind him suggests to me that they're pretty
10:08confident and who would ever question the Chiefs jumped into character.
10:12The receiving group though. Let, I mean, let's get into it.
10:15You know, so the investment is the run game.
10:18I think we both agree it can be better and should be better.
10:21And hopefully there'll be some evolution scheme. They ran it back.
10:25Right. And, um, I, there's a case to be made that this again, digs is still out there possibly, but like that,
10:31this isn't that crazy because rice is only a couple of years removed from being extremely productive.
10:36And when he played last year, he was still fairly productive.
10:39We can get into his limitations as a player.
10:42I'd like to talk about that, but, uh, worthy got banged up on the very first like play of the season and seemingly never bounced back.
10:50By the way, I have it on my dynasty team.
10:53It's a great experience. Uh, and then other than that, uh, you know, there's Taequann Thorne, they decided to retain Jalen Royals,
10:59Cyrus Allen, no, no, you know, no. Yeah. Um, so do you think this was like a objectively awful mistake to just run it back?
11:06Or do you think there's possibility this could be better than what we saw last year?
11:11I mean, they got man sort of lane who I thought was a top 10 pick.
11:16And then, you know, Peter woods. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't the biggest fan of Peter woods who, um, they got later on, uh, in round one.
11:24And then I thought our Mason Thomas, like they needed some pass rush juice.
11:28Like they needed a defensive tackle, a corner and an edge rusher.
11:31That's what they spent their off season doing. They did that.
11:35They need a running back. They did that. You can't figure out everything.
11:39Xavier worthy and Rashid rice have a lot of skill, but they're so flawed.
11:43And like, they just don't beat man coverage all that well.
11:46Like for she rice yards per target versus man coverage over the last two seasons, he's 115th out of 122 wide receivers.
11:52Like that's just like straight up, not good enough.
11:55He only has one contested catch against man coverage over the last two seasons.
11:59He's fantastic against zone coverage. He can really run with the ball in his hands.
12:04He's got more sizing and bounce off some tackles versus a lot of the guys you kind of think in that role.
12:10Uh, but just like, he's not that reliable against man coverage.
12:13Uh, and he's pretty one dimensional. And then with Xavier worthy, like you said, the first snap of the season last year was a run play.
12:21The second play of the game was a handoff to Xavier worthy.
12:24The third play is when he detonated his shoulder.
12:27And then Andy Reed said afterwards, they just had to like rework everything about Xavier where they want him to do a bunch of screens.
12:34They want him to run a bunch of crossers.
12:37And instead they just didn't think that he'd be able to survive on those type of plays.
12:42So they pretty much just like random on a vertical line down the football field.
12:47And when I went back and watched him, he did not look like the fastest player in the NFL.
12:52And I think that makes sense. He had a bummed ankle multiple times in the season.
12:57And obviously you do need your shoulder when you're running.
13:00Uh, uh, and he just did not look like that dynamic of a player.
13:04It's year three. Like we should expect him to kind of take the leap, but they need him because the Travis Kelsey
13:10stuff's not going to be nearly as good. Yeah.
13:13Kelsey's average at the target keeps going down, down, down.
13:16He still, by the way, was the only, uh, chiefs receiver who ranked inside the top 60 in yards per route run
13:23versus man coverage to your point about their inability to beat that.
13:26Um, and that's, you know, like battleship Travis Kelsey at this point.
13:30So like, and him and rice are like a little, I wouldn't say duplicative because rice has so much juice after the
13:36catch is different kind of player, but they're both answers against zone.
13:40That's what she writes is. And he's a very good answer versus zone.
13:43Um, you know, he's somewhat limited, I think as a quote, number one, because he's not going to be man coverage.
13:50He's not going to win with size, not going to win at the line of scrimmage.
13:54But if you can find ways to get him the ball in his hands, there's an explosive play potential.
14:00Problem is like, again, you said it, what, what do you do when they play man?
14:05And it's actually kind of an issue because to rice and or the, maybe are both in the slot best.
14:11I don't know. Like, so I think about where these rookie year when it seemed like down the stretch of that season,
14:17they kind of started finding ways to use him against man, like on like little quick outs and, you know, pick plays and things like that.
14:25And it feels like that was an answer for them.
14:28It wasn't explosive, but it was at least an answer.
14:31If they can get back to that, I think it would be helpful.
14:34Um, I think his health will help him win downfield, but also my homes and him have to like figure out where
14:41these absorb most of the blame for the lack of a deep passing game and the misses.
14:46And then obviously we've seen him like run out of bounds times and, and, and, but my homes misses him a lot too.
14:53It's weird. Right. It's like, it just never, I don't know.
14:56You just don't connect for whatever. I feel like every off season preview, I'm like the deep steps are going to regress
15:02and they'll be back to third in scoring. And then it's like, no, just missed him again.
15:07You know? So like, and you never know with the ACL stuff.
15:11And obviously some of the stuff is out of structure when you're throwing the ball down the football fields, which like go
15:17back to the Tyree kill the days. I would be surprised if we ever get that stuff all the way back.
15:24I do think like the most, I think maybe the most pressure does seem to be like on Xavier worthy to step up.
15:30Like to me, I have a good feel for what like Rashid rice is.
15:35Travis Kelsey is what he is at this point.
15:37Like if they're going to actually take like a big step up this year in the past game, like, I think like
15:44it's time for Xavier worthy to be a first round pick.
15:47Like you look at like the last couple of first rounders that the chiefs have had, it's just like, has not been up to like super bowl standard.
15:55Like they're fine players, but they have not like hit a home run in the first round in a while, depending on
16:02how we're going to view Josh Simmons here. I'm offended that they didn't add a blocking tight end.
16:07I know. Like, I'm just playing at the Dutch.
16:10I don't know. In my, especially like with the run on them in the draft, I was thinking surely they added one
16:16of the like, you know, 20 blocking tight ends that all went in the middle of the draft.
16:21And like, I'm looking at it and it's the same guy.
16:25I actually, I have Jared Wiley also on my, it's a very deep time.
16:29And so I'm still holding on to a tiny prayer that he could become something.
16:33But yeah, it's like you, I, because they just have so little, all the best offenses in the NFL have so much personnel flexibility right now.
16:41And the chiefs just don't, and they didn't even try.
16:44And so I, I think the offensive line is good enough that you can build a much better run game.
16:50And obviously you have Patrick Mahomes, which will always, you're never going to, you're always going to get a decent amount of
16:56light boxes and they can, all the things we've said can improve from there.
17:00But like, I don't understand how you look around the league and see how teams are getting these mismatches and just have zero interest in partaking.
17:08I mean, unless you were like the bangles and the Cowboys where you have two elite receivers fine, but they obviously don't.
17:14So why would you not try to do that?
17:17I don't, I don't understand. I think that's just like, there were more holes on the chiefs roster than we kind of
17:24gave credit for, even like when they were like in it, like to win super bowls, like you're still looking around and
17:30be like, there are some very visible holes. Like, thank goodness they have spags to hide a lot of them on defense
17:36and obviously Mahomes on offense, but like they need to hit on some more draft picks.
17:41Like that's just kind of where they're at. All right.
17:44Well, that's a good segue to the defense. Cause that is, as you said earlier, that was the focus in the draft.
17:51It's gotten much younger. I mean, it's, it's really something to like, look at all of the additions you alluded to to
17:57help Karloftis and Chris Jones, who were just the entire pass rush outside of Chris Jones, who was first in pass rush
18:04win, by the way, last year, still crazy. No other Kansas city defensive tackle ranked in the top 50.
18:09Karloftis was 25th. No other Kansas city edge ranked in the top 50, which is a pretty good encapsulation of what it looked like.
18:16So they added our Mason Thomas speedy juice guy, a little undersized.
18:20Uh, and then Peter woods also a juice guy.
18:22Clearly they, the emphasis was juice. I think it was kind of like, they just want both somewhat flawed prospects, but both
18:29have the potential to add like an injection of explosiveness at the line of scrimmage.
18:33And then they're hoping to get something out of FAU who people forgot a Felix and Dike Zoma was their first round prick.
18:40Uh, they also added Kairos Tonga, which I kind of, yes, great addition there from new England.
18:45The nose tackle very good against the run linebacker group.
18:48You lose Chanel. Otherwise you kind of, which actually not a nothing because they do use a lot of base defense and
18:55they're, they're losing some of their linebackers. And then the corner, the secondary, as you said, a lot of new faces, Watson
19:01and McDuffie out, Noel Williams, full-time starter, man's probably man, sir.
19:04Delane first round pick perfect fit in my mind.
19:07I guess Kahu maybe at nickel, just not Chimari Connor, please.
19:10Uh, and then they brought back old friend, Lajaria Snead.
19:13Oh, they also, uh, added Aloha Gilman to play safety competence and drafted Jaden Kennedy.
19:18So all the additions I mentioned, all of the change, what are you the most excited about?
19:23Like everything I said, if you're Steve Spagnuolo, what is getting you pumped about this roster?
19:27I think the depth on the, the entire defensive line looks better.
19:31Like even like the, the depth at corner does look pretty passable.
19:34I think the thing that doesn't make me the most excited, but makes me like just the most concerned or like, is
19:41just how good is Noel Williams in man sort of lane?
19:44Like, I mean, the bar is extremely high for what they're replacing.
19:48And then Aloha Gilman too, with Brian cook, I thought Brian cook had a lot of, uh, quality snaps for him.
19:54You just kind of trust Spags to figure out the secondary.
19:57And I thought that Noel Williams, like had some like really high end moments, like in man coverage.
20:02And then obviously man sort of lane, like nobody completed a pass against him in the sec.
20:07So I feel probably pretty fine about it. Lajaria Snead as a backup, another off field guy, um, there, um, to me,
20:14just like, all right, Peter Woods are Mason Thomas.
20:16Could one of them be a legit rotational number?
20:19Like I'm not expecting either one of them to be full-time players.
20:23Maybe Omar Norman lots, another one of these like rotational guys.
20:26Yeah. Coming off of, uh, I think it was an ACL injury in week five.
20:30So like they have depth. Those are a lot of names we listed.
20:34Like a couple of them need to be like really good.
20:37And I think that the odds are pretty, pretty favorable.
20:40I, I probably wouldn't rank them as a top 10 defense, but they would not be far off of that.
20:46And I've obviously have all the faith in the world for Spags to kind of figure it out.
20:52Well, speaking of Spags, I think another thing that happened last year, we talked about this a decent amount at the end
20:58of the season was his blitzes just stopped working, which was kind of wild to see.
21:03Um, and I, I, so last year they ranked 25th in sac rate when they blitzed this team, obviously that blitzes a
21:09lot with Spags, which was a 5.7% sac rate.
21:12I mean, the previous three years, they were of around 10% in all of those years.
21:17And I don't know if it's, I, I have to think about it.
21:20Cause I, I should probably go back and look at some of the tendencies and whether they were too predictable, but I
21:27do remember last season vividly just seeing them get picked up and cornerbacks get stonewalled.
21:31Um, so, you know, I think they're hoping perhaps that with some of those additions, they can have more of a four
21:38man rush to make the sacks feel more unpredictable because I think defense is new outside of Chris Jones.
21:43They're really not. And, and Carl just was injured to some of the season.
21:47They're not getting pressure. So they're going to send someone and we have answers for that.
21:52And you just can't live that way the way they did.
21:55Yeah. And that's why I called the chiefs. The most fragile is like, it's also Chris Jones has been like, like you said, like dominant still.
22:03I mean, how much longer can we realistically talk about him?
22:06And he is somebody that like, he deserves to do this.
22:10He does get hot and cold and he kind of saves it for when the games matter the most.
22:15Like he absolutely should be doing that. But at the same time, like he is an older guy.
22:20He's played a million snaps, including the post season.
22:23Like how long is he going to be one of the top three, four defensive tackles in the NFL?
22:29Um, I, I do like the Tonga stuff because we mentioned all the juice Tonga is just like, he totally kicks ass out there.
22:36Like he opened up so much for the Patriots, other defensive tackles, like the fact that you can throw them out there
22:42and let the other guys go crazy. I do think that is a nice body to add here.
22:48So I think there'll be fine. I think really they're good enough to make the playoffs with this defense.
22:53Absolutely. This defense could actually even be like, I'd say top eight unit.
22:57If a lot of things kind of go well, uh, really it's just like, to me, the offense has, they can't be like 10th.
23:04Like this, this offense has to go back to like top five.
23:08I'm not sure if I, if I see it quite yet.
23:11You don't think like top 10 offense, top 12 defense.
23:14Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think the other thing I'll say about this defense is they could be better at the end of the year than the beginning.
23:22Cause of all the change that we talked about and see Spagnuolo and game plan specific.
23:27I really like Mansour Delane just to talk about, I mean, I thought, um, it's so, I, I, I think I was
23:33pushing him as a cheese pick and there were cheese fans that were like, Steve Spagnuolo doesn't need a first rounder.
23:39He can take a six because he's done it so many times.
23:43I just do not subscribe to that kind of thinking.
23:46I, and I think, um, obviously he's had a lot of success elevating undrafted and lower drafted corners, but having a guy
23:52like Delane who I view is, I, I thought was one of the more pro ready prospects in the entire draft, um, just makes life so much easier.
24:01So Spagnuolo in terms of everything else he does.
24:03Uh, I think Delane allows them to, um, I think he's, he, they play both man and zone.
24:09I think he's a very good tackler as well.
24:11I think he's very, just complete. So I, I, I feel like, you know, I, I never, I, I've been burned on
24:18pro ready corners before, but I just feel pretty confident that he can step in.
24:22He's also battle tested. Like that was the thing I liked about the prospect.
24:26He went up against like really good receivers, really talented offenses.
24:30So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm very high on him.
24:32Yeah. 11 pass deflections, zero penalties, zero touchdowns. I mean, it was like, it was like, it was a, it was a clinic.
24:39My, my comp form was, was Derek Stingley. Like this was as, this was like as good as it gets.
24:45All right, let's do the Broncos next. Um, who I keep saying are the favorite.
24:49And then like Vegas, I don't, is like a lot of like FPI and Vegas are kind of lower on that.
24:55I was talking to Bill about this, uh, which is confusing to me because the roster stacked.
25:00There's a couple questions I have both sides of the ball, but it's, they're definitely the most talented roster in the entire division.
25:07Uh, I will say to, you know, I mentioned the chiefs, but that agree with wins.
25:12They were a little lucky 14, three should have been 11 and six, still very good team.
25:17It's very, if you're with that many wins, you're always going to be lower.
25:21Obviously you have to win some close games. Uh, but they finished, uh, 10th and weighted DV away on offense.
25:27And then they added Jalen model. Um, let's start there.
25:30Like how much did you love the waddle edition?
25:33How much do you love him with bone Nix with these receivers?
25:36Do you think it has the potential to take what was like a borderline top 10 offense and vault it into the top 10?
25:43I would put the Broncos as I think my super bowl pick.
25:47I thought their roster is really good. And then in my notes, it's kind of reminded me like when the Eagles added
25:53AJ Brown, like everything was already in place. And just like, all right, if this hits, like we can actually go on a real run here.
26:01And obviously they're in the AFC championship. So, uh, it's not that strong of a take, but with waddle, I mean, it's, it's as textbook as it gets.
26:09Uh, he had 104 catches as a rookie. Like I kind of forgot about how many receptions that was.
26:15And then Tyreek came in and even then he was still wide receiver one and EPA per target from 2022 all the way up until last season.
26:23He's, uh, the wider receiver five and yards per route.
26:26When two was on the field, there's a lot of games where it's like Skylar Thompson types out there.
26:31So once you remove them, he like looks like as, as a borderline top 10 guy.
26:36And then in the offense, a scheme, Bo Nix is first in screen attempts, uh, the last two seasons.
26:42And it's like really not even close to the point that Marvin Mims and Troy Franklin are each averaging a screen per game.
26:48I mean, that's, that's wild stuff. Uh, and obviously Jalen waddle in that department's like as, as good as it gets.
26:54So I think he's going to be spoon, uh, spoon fed a bunch of receptions.
26:59And I do think that he can do some of the downfield stuff, obviously with his speed that Bo Nix, uh, outside the pocket can create.
27:07So, and I'm still hope, hopeful that Bo Nix could take another leave.
27:10I thought the second year was better than the first and I think the third year will probably be better than the
27:17second, except that fricking ankle injury, which who knows?
27:20Yeah. Davis Webb, who's now the play caller, which is one of the unknowns here and how long is before John Payton, uh, takes it away.
27:27If, if anything goes south, but I don't think it will.
27:30I'm not that I know anything about Davis Webb.
27:33I just think this is a, he is such a good group of players to work with.
27:38And also when you have an offensive line, this good, your foundation is so strong.
27:42It's pretty hard to screw it up. Um, but I, he made a comment that kind of, he, he talked about how
27:49he compared waddle joining Denver to potentially Stefan digs and what he did for Josh Allen in Buffalo.
27:54Yeah. And he did it not like a, he wasn't comparing Bo Nix to Josh Allen.
27:59So don't freak out. His point was like a true number one, a truly talented receiver can help develop a quarterback.
28:05And I think that's so important for Bo Nix and his development because waddle hypothetically allows Bo Nix to get much better
28:12at the things he's been bad at. And whether he will, I do not know.
28:16I cannot tell you, right? Like I, I didn't see it coming with Josh Allen, right?
28:21Like it's just not that again, they're very different players.
28:24But my point is like, whether it'll happen, I don't know, but he's been given now everything he needs.
28:29Um, and specifically, I mean, there's a few areas of his game where waddle, I think fills in the gaps.
28:35You talked about the yards after the cash, you know, but I, but the thing, one thing that I kind of like,
28:42I feel like doesn't get talked about as much with Nix as it does with Hertz and Penix.
28:47He really doesn't throw over the middle of the field, uh, last year, fifth lowest percentage between the numbers.
28:53And then when he did, so just on a rate basis, he was 31st in CPOE 30th and first down rate 28th and on target rate.
29:00So not great. And he was very good by the way, on like go balls to court, let's not like back shoulder or face whatever.
29:08Jalen waddle since 2021 between the numbers has been a monster.
29:11Yeah. Now you can say again, that's Michael Gaines knows offense.
29:14Sure. And to a skillset, absolutely part of it.
29:17But I really maintain if you just watch Jalen waddle, he is like the perfect between the numbers player because he is that combination of fast and strong.
29:25He's not the biggest guy, but he's really strong and tough and then gets you yards after the catch that makes him
29:31such a quarterback friendly target against those looks. So, Hey, I just feel like when we talk about the next, can he take that third year leap?
29:39Waddle to me was like, you know, not the perfect player, but like about as good as he gets towards addressing some of the things he struggled at.
29:48Yeah. I had the same exact nose. There was like something like built in like dig routes for, for bonus, but it's like not like back side digs.
29:56It's kind of just like throw this fricking dig routes, like the first read and on those, they would complete some of
30:02them, but the ball would kind of spray, which I always thought was weird with bonus because I view him as like
30:09an accurate quarterback when he's throwing the ball down the field and like all the layups and stuff he hits like that window.
30:16He is just like not felt comfortable with. And that was the case a little bit at Oregon as a definitely in the first couple of seasons.
30:24I hope that gets ironed out. Like the other thing bonus has is not just Sean Payton.
30:29Who's like just as good as Mike McDaniel, if not better as a play caller, the offensive line is like all back.
30:35They had a couple injuries last year and like now the backups have experience and they got, I mean, pro bowlers all across the offensive line.
30:43They're all returning. It's like what Sean Payton does is like coach him up, up front.
30:48So I feel really good about the foundation. And I do think for the warts that Bo Nix has, he is like a very talented guy.
30:55Like he, he evades a lot of sacks. Like he's got that sneaky athletes.
30:59Yeah. And it's not just because of the offensive line.
31:02A lot of it is the offensive line. Like I'm sure he's lowest sack rate.
31:07I don't, I don't have it, but he is actually.
31:10He can run a little bit. I think he avoids negative place, which is really, really important.
31:15Sean Payton's offense. And like, that's not just sacks.
31:17Now, again, part of avoiding negative plays in terms of interceptions is not throwing over the middle of the fields.
31:23Why? Like Jalen hurts, you know, uh, there's a risk aversion there.
31:27Uh, and for sure. But I do think he's one of his talents and it is very important sack evasion, um, and not making like mistakes.
31:34And that's definitely something that's impressive with him. Yes.
31:37And obviously the same thing with hurts, like you said, is when the defense is that good, I'm sure the coaches are
31:43like, just like, don't mess this up. So there's that little element to him.
31:48And maybe they take some more chances because they have waddle throwing or going over the middle versus like Troy Franklin and
31:54these guys, but by the, the Troy Franklin, Marvin Mims, like yards per target numbers are horrific.
31:59So like, we just take some of those targets and go to Jalen wall.
32:03Like we're talking about like a huge upgrade there.
32:06The other thing about bone next, I think his arm strength, I think is also pretty underrated.
32:11I think like the last two years, I think he has the longest completed pass in the NFL.
32:16There's a couple of these like huge shots. It's like 58, uh, air yards.
32:20If you're like looking like in a spreadsheet filter, but also like it's on the other side of the football field and stuff.
32:27So like he does have like a really wicked arm.
32:30It's just like the, you know, the, the development over the middle and stuff like that's where we have to take the next step here.
32:37If we're going to get a top five offense, which I think is possible.
32:42I, I do think this is like one of the biggest moves of the off season from a fantasy perspective.
32:47I would not know what to do with this backfield.
32:50Um, Broncos run game has been, I think consistently disappointing relative to the offensive line.
32:55Like it's not that bad when you look at the numbers, although they were 19th and rushing DBA, but then when you
33:01consider the fact that they have one of the better run blocking offensive lines in football, and there's some also like things they can do.
33:09I really liked it when they use Nate Adkins, um, as part of their heavier groupings.
33:13It is kind of crazy that they're not better.
33:16They were running the ball really well with Jakey Dobbins.
33:19He got hurt. RJ Harvey was inconsistent, but explosive.
33:22Uh, Dobbins returned. And then they also drafted Jonah Coleman to spell him as more of, I imagine like a short yardage, uh, early down back.
33:29Don't know what to make of this group. Yeah.
33:32For fantasy. I was like, I avoid all of them.
33:35This is just Sean Payton's history, like where he uses all three of them.
33:39Like, I think that like Jonah Coleman can be like the Pierre Thomas rule.
33:43And like, that's like 25% of the snaps. I, I, I think it'll be like Dobbins on early downs.
33:49RJ Harvey as like the Darren Sproles. I think the problem with Harvey is he's just, like you said, way too inconsistent.
33:55Uh, next gen stats had him the second highest time, uh, spent behind the line of scrimmage.
34:00There there's just no reason when you have that offensive line, like that is just indecisiveness.
34:05That's what I saw on tape. Like you said, he is really fast, but, um, I just don't think that they trust
34:11him to the point that they gave Dobbins. I think it was like around $10 million this year.
34:17They drafted Jonah Coleman. They were in the market for the Kenneth Walker types, breeze hall, uh, Travis H and all those guys.
34:23Um, and they ended up just going with Jonah Coleman.
34:26And so I think it's gonna be even split, but RJ Harvey's gotta get better.
34:31I think they're, they're probably just want JK Dobbins to run between the tackles.
34:35And then the funness will come from, from waddle instead of, I'm sure they were hoping that was gonna be RJ Harvey in the joker role.
34:43It just didn't work out. I know there was, I remember like last off season.
34:47And everyone was kept trying to just make people the joker.
34:50Like, yeah, it's like the butterfly meme. Is this the joker?
34:54Is Evan Ingram the joker? Evan Ingram obviously didn't do anything in Denver.
34:57There was so much, I feel like I did like 10 NFL live segments on Evan.
35:02I'm trying to the progress. Cause I do think part of that though, I will say some, a lot of it's in
35:09Grimm, but then some of that is the middle of the field stuff.
35:12Candidly. And the, that just not being a big part of.
35:16Oh, Nick's is bag. Um, but yeah, like I, I, I just think waddle is, it's crazy to going back and looking
35:22at, I was looking at all those numbers, like narrowing the frame, expanding it just because, um, so like I use yards per route run a lot.
35:30And for those who don't, most of us do when we talk about receivers and for those who have don't know what
35:37it means, it's a way of capturing, not just how productive a receiver is on a rate basis, but how much they're used.
35:43Right. So like, I guess that is productivity, but it's not just efficiency.
35:47It's also productivity, um, yards per route run, not just yards per catch.
35:51Right. Like a receiver who runs 10 routes is, you know, or who gets targeted 10 times is not going to be rank high.
35:58The fact that waddle ranks so high in yards per route run over the last few years, despite playing with Tyreek Hill is crazy.
36:05Now I will say that offense basically ran through those two players and no one else.
36:10So that also was a factor there. But, uh, I mean, I was looking at yards after the catch because one of
36:16the things about the Broncos offense that I think is notable, they were six in yards after the catch, which is not
36:23surprising because of how many screens they ran. But if you limited it to throws over 10 yards, they dropped to 25th.
36:29So it was basically all screens. Waddle Jalen Waddle on throws over 10 yards over the lat over the course of his
36:36career is second only behind Justin Jefferson in yards after the catch.
36:39So it's, it's not just, Hey, let's just throw the ball in the flat.
36:43It's on like legitimate routes. He will get you.
36:46He will turn a 10 yard throw into a 20 yard one consistently.
36:50And that to me is a skill set that's been missing in this offense.
36:54Yeah. I mean, if they connect on crossers, like everything about this offense is going to be legit.
36:59I mean, they're really good in the screen game, especially when you get Waddle involved.
37:04I think that the offensive line will make them find enough rushing offense.
37:08They have the scripted plays down the football field, like all those big bootleg stuff.
37:12We haven't even mentioned Courtland Sutton and like Courtland Sutton was still dunking on everybody as like a very like reliable X
37:18receiver, like against some of the best corners in the league, just dunking on them.
37:23Like that's a great option to have in the red area.
37:26So yeah, if, if they can hit these crossing routes and you get Waddle speed after the catch, like it's kind of like no notes on the offense.
37:34So it's obviously, that's a big if then statement there, but like 30 year player with Sean Payton with Jalen Waddle skillset.
37:41Like it's not that crazy of a, uh, if then statement to me, the defense fourth and DVOA.
37:46I think I had them fifth or something on my top 10 defenses pod.
37:50Um, mostly returns everyone, uh, outside of, uh, Franklin Myers, who is a good player.
37:55So that's not nothing. Um, but for the most part, they're running it back.
37:59However, Jonathan Cooper, who was part of that very good four man rush opposite.
38:03I think probably second to pressures behind Zach Allen and obviously Benito unknown status.
38:07Uh, I've talked about this a lot. I feel like it's kind of like flying under the radar a little bit when
38:14people are like the Broncos defense is good. Like the pass rush is like, I'm like their second best edge is potentially facing a suspension.
38:21Um, so I do think it is worth, I do think this will be good.
38:25Even if he's to miss any amount of time.
38:28Uh, but as he should, frankly, if you go look it up, but I, I think it's worth talking about the edge
38:34depth because it's a lot of unknowns, dude. Like you got Benito and then after Cooper, there's a lot of players.
38:41There's, these are defensive tackles. Oh, look at that.
38:43Just Q Robinson, who played a little bit, um, but was kind of part of a rotation at Alabama and played behind some studs.
38:50So it hasn't, you know, it was kind of limited exposure there.
38:54Um, let's see. I'm like, I have to Jonah Ellis Ellis.
38:57Jonah Ellis. He was kind of like an off ball linebacker hybrid.
39:01And then guys I've truly never heard of like Dondre Tillman is second behind like Nick Benito.
39:06Like, I don't, I don't know who that is.
39:08So I guess, yeah. Like, do you, does that concern you or I mean, cause this is demons that blitzed a lot,
39:15but was it's, it's an interesting contrast with Kansas city, which I talked about earlier because incredibly effective blitzing.
39:20And then when you take out blitzes also incredibly effective, which I think is part of what made the blitzes so effective
39:27is that the four man rush was devastating. But what if the four man rush isn't devastating?
39:32Can you play as much man coverage as they did last year?
39:35Are you like, obviously the secondary is awesome. So I think that helps a lot, but do you have any concerns?
39:42Yeah. I think the depth upfront is definitely taking a big hit.
39:45And like, that was with Nick Benito being one of the best edges in the league.
39:50And like, you just never know if like you can keep that up as well.
39:54Like I'm assuming that's going to kind of work out, but you just never know.
39:59Uh, they lead the NFL man coverage. Like, I think it was like 55%, like most of the leagues, like at 30%,
40:05like they were like one of the outlier defenses.
40:08And obviously you can win with four. Uh, and you got Sertan, like things could, uh, it gets really easy to play man coverage at that rate.
40:16What I thought was interesting about the Broncos was when they weren't in man coverage.
40:20So keep in mind, they don't run that much zone compared to the rest of the league.
40:25They do have the best success rate, sack rate and EPA per play when they're in zone coverage.
40:31Like their side hustle, they're like the best in the NFL at, um, Sertan wasn't healthy the whole season last year.
40:37So like maybe, you know, that goes up and like, you can, if we are losing Cooper for a little bit of
40:43the season, then, uh, uh, maybe that's more kind of washes itself out.
40:47Their secondary is really good. They still got like a first round corner on the bench.
40:52Their safety is returning linebackers. It's like literally just the edge depth.
40:55It's crazy that they drafted Jada Barron in the first round and Shaquan McMillan said, psych I'm a top 10 nickel.
41:01He was actually, I looked at his fourth and success rate in coverage amongst corners last year, obviously he gets to play
41:08in a very good group, but like, it's not easy to play with Pat Sertan, right?
41:13Like that's in some way, like that's the funny thing about playing with an elite corner is, you know, you're going to get targeted a lot.
41:20And Riley Moss obviously bore the brunt of that.
41:23But, uh, McMillan was fabulous. Um, and he was fun too.
41:26Cause I remember when he first cracked the rotation, it was like, wow, this is a really fun player.
41:32He's kind of got a lot of juice. He's gets his hands on the football, but I think he has continued to develop into a very good corner.
41:40And now they've got this like hilarious, not hilarious, but like this weird problem, which is like, how do we even get barren on the field?
41:48It's, it's a funny one for Denver. Good problem to have.
41:51Good problem to have. I thought they were going to trade McMillan.
41:55Uh, um, I mean, it just made sense or, or trade Riley Moss.
41:58Uh, but Riley Moss is a good player too.
42:01Like, like you said, very battle tested when you're not Patrick Sertan and you got to be the other corner.
42:07Like they're going to throw the ball at you a ton there.
42:10So yeah, it's kind of like one of those wheels on like as if they can really win with four, then obviously
42:17the man coverage on the back end is going to be a little bit easier.
42:21So if that takes a step back, then maybe Riley Moss gets a little bit more exposed and stuff, but they got
42:28good depth in the, in the back seven. Yeah.
42:30I'll say final thing about the Broncos from like a complimentary football perspective, as we talk about the pass rush is, um,
42:37you know, this offense, if the offense improves as I think it's obvious, we think it will, uh, you get leads and the run defense is paramount.
42:45And by the way, they have an incredible run defense, uh, as well.
42:49So I DJ Jones, he's, there's like a football hipster pathion of players that just like every NFL dork loves.
42:55And I feel like DJ Jones, who do we talk about when we talked about the cheese?
43:00Oh, Taka. Yeah. Okay. Well, but Jones is up there where it's like, but they got DJ Jones.
43:05I was like, I love in San Francisco. It was the same way.
43:09So they're, they're just Zach Allen, maybe takes a little bit of a step back as he gets older in terms of, uh, run defense.
43:16But I still think it's a very good run defense.
43:19I'm not worried about the Broncos defense. I know I started with the Cooper stuff just because I do think it is
43:26kind of a sneaky big thing, but I think the offense will mitigate, help mitigate any issues there.
43:31All right. Speaking of the offense, potentially mitigating issues.
43:33Let's take a quick break. Come back and talk about the Chargers offense.
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45:10The Chargers offense. Is the hype too much? Is it too hot?
45:13Because this is probably, this gotta be the most hyped offense in the offseason, right?
45:17Because of Mike Mediano. I mean, that's every year.
45:20It feels like the most hyped offense. I will say this.
45:23I'm very excited about it. There are some things that they do have to figure out.
45:28There's a lot of new pieces there. You know, sometimes the second year is when we see like the tree breakout.
45:34And then you do go back to the stats.
45:37You're like, what's the starting point that we're working with?
45:40They were 26 in EPA per play last year.
45:4323rd and passing EPA per play. And then same thing with rushing at 23rd overalls.
45:47Like the starting point was pretty bad. I'm obviously losing both your tackles and all the other nonsense that Herbert was dealing with in the interior.
45:55It's all new for a reason. But like the starting point, we do have to remember, it's like this was a pretty dysfunctional offense this last year.
46:03So a lot of things have to go right to be a top five offense.
46:07And then you do look at the history. Like whenever a Shanahan tree play caller has like a legit guy quarterback, like
46:13they throw for like 45 touchdowns a year. It's like Burrow, Matt Ryan, the Rogers seasons with before obviously Stafford most, most
46:20recently Baker Mayfield with like Liam Cohen went absolutely crazy.
46:23He's like the trend here is like offenses go Burr when it's a Shanahan guy and a really strong quarterback.
46:29So there's definitely upside here. Uh, as far as last year's disaster, just to kind of get into that for a second,
46:35because you know, whenever we do the Justin Herbert conversation and we'll talk about making excuses for him and whatnot, I was
46:42looking up last year because last year, the offense, both passing attack and the right game were statistically pretty bad.
46:48Uh, when Herbert threw the ball in under two and a half seconds, he was top 10 quarterback, no matter how you
46:54slice it, seventh and success rate, 10th in EPA, et cetera.
46:57When it was over two and a half seconds, everything plummeted to bottom 10.
47:01That's not a Justin Herbert stack. No, that's, uh, indicative of the fact that the charges offensive line at times felt like
47:08a jailbreak on every other play, particularly up the middle.
47:11And that is the one thing I will say to throw a little bit of cold water on, on some of this.
47:17The tackles are back, but we're sure. We're sure.
47:20I mean, the honest, very competent center. And I think McDaniel scheme does cover up interior offensive line play to some degree.
47:27We'll talk about that, but like Cole strange, uh, I guess Jake slaughter, maybe he's going to play guard in the NFL for the first time.
47:34I'm not, that's the one that it's the slaughter thing.
47:37Like Cole strange. Sure. Like one of your guards has to be cold strange.
47:41I like, I totally get it. And we were talking about a rookie player playing out of position.
47:47And, um, I went back and like looked at my, my notes on, on slaughter and great for the wide zone scheme.
47:53Can get out in space and stuff. Problem with anchoring.
47:56The problem with transitioning from center to guard is at guard.
47:59You have to win one-on-ones and pass protection where like you have to anchor where at center, there's a lot fewer snaps.
48:06There's one-on-one when you're just getting walked back. So I think that's going to be a potential issue.
48:11Now, if you're between, you know, Slater and be odd.
48:14Then you have like a decent chance here, but just in general for whatever it is, like there's been way too many free rushers with Herbert.
48:22So I think that Herbert's a very smart player, but for whatever reason, the scheme guys up front making mistakes, Herbert being
48:28surprised, whatever it is, there's been too many free rushers.
48:31And then with the dolphins, they kind of live on the edges with some of these things where they're willing to have
48:38a free rusher because that opens up this layered throw.
48:40And I think Herbert's going to be able to do it.
48:44I saw in like OTAs and in mini camp, they changed up his shock and footwork.
48:48So his other foot is in the front. That means that they can get the quick, the quick game going a little bit.
48:55So I think there's, there's a lot of moving pieces here.
48:58It all makes sense to me. Like this is like the direction they should be going, but you do have to nail
49:05all these things like right away in this kind of loaded divisions.
49:08Like that's where I'm optimistic. I might be even like more optimistic in 2027.
49:13And like, I want to draft these guys in 2026.
49:16Yeah. It might look better at the end of the year than it does at the beginning.
49:21Cause you're right. There's a lot of moving pieces.
49:23It's a pretty significant change. I do want to go back to something I said, which is like McDaniel kind of covers up the guards to some degree.
49:31And I do think, um, the emphasis on let's bring in a center and we have good tackles.
49:37You know, I think the goal here is to just keep Herbert out of obvious drop back situations and win on early downs.
49:44And I think what McDaniel does in the run game, we can talk about what he does in the past game and
49:50what it means for the skill players, which I also think is kind of interesting.
49:54Uh, is he, he, he is when you watch the dolphins offense, it's funny, by the way, I've been reading interviews and,
50:01uh, like, um, Dominic Fox was had interview with John Harbaugh.
50:04And I think I saw someone else. I think it was Ben Johnson.
50:08Everybody's watching the Mike McDaniel run game now from 2026.
50:11How could he not? Um, it's just so much bullshit and it's not, Hey man, go win.
50:16Right. It's so much. It's actually, it's funny. Cause like two, he is able through his primarily, I would say the use
50:22of motions more than anything able to create the illusion of running the football or threatening to run the football when there isn't like, it's so obvious.
50:30They're not going to run the football. It is really remarkable the way he creates conflict.
50:35I just did kind of like over use over generalize, um, conflict run past conflict, conflict from a leverage perspective, conflict from communication, all of it.
50:43So all of which is a, yes, I don't love the guards, but when I consider the fact that they also emphasized
50:49adding big bodies, Kolar, Njoku, Alec Ingold, who I think get ready to see so much goddamn Alec Ingold, man.
50:55Like, yep. Because I just think. McDaniel, even if there's a little bit of a, you know, in past protection, there's some struggles with these guards.
51:03I think McDaniel can really cover up a lot of it with how effective this run game can be.
51:08Um, I love Ryan Hampton. I think he's gonna be really, really good.
51:12I think Justin Herbert's gonna benefit from this, but like, oh, Mary Hampton might be the biggest winner of the entire off season.
51:19Yeah. I mean, all the stretch runs are gonna be fantastic.
51:22Like you said, it was the run game for the dolphins last year.
51:26It was Aaron Brewer who was out in space and just annihilating dudes like every single game.
51:31Like you can just watch a highlight tape from a center and get pumped up.
51:35And then Patrick Paul had a really nice season at left tackle.
51:39So they do have like the right bodies. If you're gonna go like, we're weak at guards.
51:44Well, so were the dolphins. Last year, they had a rookie playing out of position at one of the guard spots and
51:51it was a very tough season over there. Um, so I think they will be able to mask it.
51:56The run game is going to be fantastic. I see it the same way where it's going to be a lot of
52:03rotations at, I mean, they have three running backs.
52:05Not now. Vidal is a good pass protector. So I think he's going to play some of those snaps.
52:11Keaton Mitchell. He was a wanted poster guy. If you guys saw that story from McDaniel, hanging that on the GM's wall,
52:17like I need myself some Keaton Mitchell. So the other name was Alec Engel, though.
52:22It was like Alec Engel. That was my number one wanted.
52:25They signed him the next day on the office of Ortiz was Keaton Mitchell for a reason because he's, he's got some
52:31Devon HN qualities, not to the same extent, but very fast.
52:35Get him on the runs or on the outside.
52:37And to your point, that's exactly what Omarion Hampton kind of is at this point.
52:42He's kind of like almost like Derrick Henry in a way where like, I think that once he gets up to speed,
52:48he's a total pain in the butt. He's got, uh, not the craziest amount of wiggle, but enough wiggle.
52:54I thought he was a pretty indecisive between the tackles.
52:57Like there's one thing I'm a little bit nervous about was just, I think obviously when you're working through, through the trash
53:03of that offensive line, you're going to make some bad decisions.
53:07But for like a first round running back, that was kind of in the back of my head.
53:12So I can see this being a little bit of a committee throwing the fullback three tight ends in there.
53:18Gadston, uh, they got three or four, uh, wide receivers that they're going to rotate in.
53:22It's going to be like every single drive is just going to be something else out there.
53:27I think it's gonna be really hard to game plan against, but it's also gonna be maybe a little bit hard to
53:34execute in the first half of the season. I don't think this is going to be a 11 personnel team very much, but I do think.
53:42Lad McConkie can bounce back from what we saw last year, which I asked.
53:46That's the other thing I want to talk about because rookie season, Lad McConkie looked like the steel of the draft, incredibly productive started.
53:53Once they started using him at all three levels, you saw he was like a legit receiver who could win in a
53:59number of different ways, different routes, explosive, great with the ball in his hands.
54:03And then last year, they kind of, he kind of disappeared.
54:07Um, so I want to get your thoughts on like, did you, do you think it was just, um, him getting supplanted
54:13by Keenan Allen and, or do you, do you think there's anything with McConkie himself that needs to improve?
54:19I think both things happened. Uh, one of the first things was his catchable ball, right on his targets went from 78% to 67%.
54:26It's like already like that's 11% of your passes.
54:28It was just like, not his fault. So like that explains like a lot of it.
54:33He also did have less yards after catch per reception.
54:36And then the big thing was, and this was what surprised me during that rookie season was he was dominating contested catch situations way down the football.
54:44But I was like, if he's going to do this, like, then like he can be whoever he wants in the NFL.
54:51And then last year, I think it was three of 14.
54:54And he's always one of these guys just like picking himself off the ground.
54:58And like, that's always a little bit worrisome for, for his size and his injury history.
55:03Uh, they didn't run them quite as many downfield routes because Quentin Johnson took that big step.
55:08Uh, and then, so he was running a lot of the underneath stuff.
55:11And then obviously Keenan Allen's a little bit more physical underneath.
55:15So some of those passes kind of went there.
55:17So I think like four or five things kind of explain what happened to loud McConkey, but I know what I watched
55:24as a, as a rookie, if you can get back to that, like he's going to have huge, a huge season here.
55:30I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of a rotation, like Trey Harris, a good blocker and maybe loud McConkey
55:37is off the field for a little bit more than we want.
55:40So like for fantasy, uh, rankings, like he goes in the fourth round, like next, like a Mecca, Buka and like Tedrow,
55:47McMillan, Luther burdens, like that type of range. That makes sense to me.
55:51There's a huge ceiling to chase here. Um, but last year, like was not the season I was expecting from him.
55:57Like personally. Yeah. I think it was a mix of things to your point.
56:01Um, one thing I looked up out of curiosity, FTN does you can on their stats, which is not in the guide.
56:07You can filter things by first read. And I was just wanted something I wanted to see was how often McConkey was targeted on first reads.
56:15And it was cut by almost 25% from last year and largely submitted by Allen.
56:19And I think a lot of that was on fair downs and stuff.
56:23And to go back to what I said about Herbert and the two and a half seconds, if it ain't the first
56:30read in this Chargers offense last year, it was part of the reason I think why there was like off target throws.
56:36He had more off target throws to him was because if he was getting targeted later in the progression, shit was going haywire.
56:43So, um, I do think, you know, him being a focal point for McDaniel will help.
56:48I do. And I do think, and there's a lot to like, to like, we talked about the toughness over the middle of the field.
56:55We think, assume the Chargers offense is going to be in way more, you know, in condensed formations.
57:00He has shown, um, the ability to fight through traffic and not downfield, but like on the short intermediate stuff.
57:06I thought his rookie year, he was really, really good at that.
57:10So I liked that too, putting him on the inside man in a bunch, for example.
57:15And then I think, um, defenses keyed in on him a bit more than last season.
57:19He got some like tasty matchups. I thought last year and you saw him beating like backers and when, you know, so
57:26I think, you know, that changed a bit. I'm interested in Johnson in this offense because, um, something that's been like missing
57:32with him since he's come into the NFL is how good he was with the ball in his hands in college.
57:38Think about those crossers TCU and the way he would pull away for massive gains.
57:43And I do wonder if that's something, again, thinking about this offense, the condensed formations, the crosser is working in the middle
57:49of the field, setting up yards after the catch.
57:52If he could also be a beneficiary of that.
57:55Yeah, I, I saw the same way. I thought TCU, I thought he was actually kind of flawed down the football field.
58:01He had like a couple like busted coverages, like in the biggest games of the season.
58:06But for the most part, a lot of his damage was like against like those big 12 defenses underneath where he's his
58:12like long speed that really takes off. So I can see that.
58:16I'm not sure if like, I would like throw him a bunch of screens.
58:20Like I'd rather do that with like lad McConkey.
58:23They're going to do that to like, I would do that to Hampton, like who I thought was pretty good as a receiver.
58:29He was really bad in protection, but like he can catch the football.
58:33Yeah. So I think that you're going to get some of that.
58:37The big thing is the dolphins with McDaniel were third in dropbacks per game with zero to two wide receivers on the field.
58:44And they were 29th, uh, with three plus wide receivers.
58:46So whoever's going to be on the football field, like is going to get the ball a lot.
58:52Like we saw with waddle and Tyree kill. Um, and they do have the Trey Harris was like a second round pick like this last year.
58:59Then they drafted Brendan Thompson, who is super fast and he was playing like X receiver in the sec and like actually had some good moments.
59:07So I'm kind of interested there. Charlie colder caught a bunch of passes in college was behind likely in Mark Andrews, but
59:14I think he's the best blocker on the team.
59:16And there's in theory, a chance that he gets going.
59:19Then Gadsden for like four weeks was like a top five fantasy guy.
59:23So somebody else is going to step up, but behind lad McConkey and Hampton, my guess might be like Keaton Mitchell might
59:30be like kind of like the change of pace guy that gets a lot of, uh, involved.
59:35He's on the dynasty team as well. Uh, yeah, that, that pairing.
59:38Uh, the trio rather of Kolar Gadsden and Joku is, I don't wanna say a budget version, but it reminds me a
59:45bit of Kolar Andrews and or Kolar likely in Andrews with guests and playing the likely role and Joku being, he would
59:51be a diet Andrews and you know, he's still good player.
59:54Um, yeah, a lot of 13, a lot of 21.
59:57I, yeah, fantasy. I wouldn't, I wouldn't Hampton. I would want, and that's about, you know, the receiver unfortunately goes like 14th overall.
60:04So it's like him versus Saquon Barkley. And I'm a little bit concerned at that price tag, but I hear you on the upside.
60:11He'll said that. Yeah. Cause I asked him a Hampton versus Gentry and he was like, I don't know, there's gonna be like a rotation in LA.
60:19Got me a little nervous. Yeah. And I've been like charges offense to the moon defense step back.
60:24And I really wanted to like, first I wanna acknowledge.
60:27I have been like, we're wrong about this charges defense now two years in a row.
60:32No, I've never said they've been bad, but I'm like, there's no way this is a top 10.
60:37I'm looking at it on paper every these last two years.
60:41And I've said, this doesn't look like a top 10 defense to me on paper.
60:45And then they continue to finish in, I think last year they were 10th in DV away.
60:50So now I'm pivoting to Jesse mentor was just him.
60:53And that's why I look stupid and now he's gone.
60:56So maybe I'm finally wrong. Where are we at on that charges fans?
61:00I'm ready to look dumb again. I mean, on paper, it does not look like it should be that good.
61:06It's not bad. Yeah. Not a bad defense. There's good players, but like there's stars.
61:10Yeah. I mean, the past few seasons, I had third in points allowed over the past few seasons.
61:15Like, like if you just looked at it, that is not the third best defense.
61:20Like I think probably mentor or Jesse mentors. Like that's, that's a big thing.
61:24I mean, it was very clear, like even like in college, that mentor was going to be one of the best, like NFL coordinators out there.
61:31Like all the best defenses in the NFL, Seahawks included the Ravens when they were really balling out a couple of years ago.
61:38Like it's this style defense. They can do a lot of zone coverage.
61:42Communication is outstanding there. They play physical. Now the new DC Chris O'Leary, we know not that much about except that Harbaugh sent him back to college.
61:50So he can be a defensive coordinator anticipating that mentor was going to leave.
61:54And then the second mentor does leave. He calls him back to the team to now be the defensive coordinator.
62:00That sounds like a good plan. Like there's a lot, there's like some like, like sense of like, this is like our
62:07next guy, like go send him to the minors.
62:09Like, yes, I was thinking it's like maybe just because I was watching House of the Dragon.
62:14Harbaugh is like the king sending like the next king to go rule a city somewhere in Norn or something.
62:20And they're bringing him. Harbaugh is crazy. I want, I have a take on this.
62:25Okay. So this is way too, I'm sweeping with painting with too white a brush.
62:29I am out on college OCs coming to the NFL.
62:32I am in on college DCs coming to the NFL.
62:35Was that late by the last few years, right?
62:37Like. Yeah. Awesome college defensive coordinators have come and been incredible.
62:41And, and Loliere has NFL experience and he was with the Chargers, but like offensive coordinators, we've had some real busts.
62:47Chip last year. I mean, what the heck was that?
62:50Rub in Seattle. Yeah. Right. So like, don't you feel like a little bit like, you know what?
62:55All right. It's probably gonna work. Like I, I'd be interested in thinking, I mean, it's a lot of that has to
63:02do with the McDonald Harbaugh, like Michigan tree and all that.
63:05But like, I guess I'm a little bit less nervous about it than if it was an offensive guy.
63:10To me, the defensive, like coaching and obviously I have no experience here, but it's so much communication.
63:16Just like watch the game, like how much like linebackers and safeties and corners have to sit there and communicate.
63:22Like you either are really good at communicating to your players to figure that stuff out or you're not.
63:27And because there's not that much man coverage, like you have to be good at that.
63:32And so I'm guessing that's like a huge skillset for, for the NFL defensive coordinators.
63:36And then with the college stuff, like just the splits and you know, the pacing and all that type of stuff.
63:43Maybe the offensive coordinators, like way too big of a change where on defense, it's like, I, we are still just communicating the zone rules at play here.
63:51So that's, that was like the, the big thing I had.
63:54There are some like players that are on and off the team now, like you lose away, but a key message or comes in.
64:01Oh, it was like chasing down so many sacks last year.
64:04Like the last couple of games of the season, like he was like fire boogeyman coming, coming across the field.
64:10Uh, I did like Mesidor. I know that he was older player, but I, I did think that his tape was pretty
64:17solid, kind of a boom bust player. Um, but had like a lot of big time moments and like Khalil Mack still
64:23getting it done, but also 35 years old. And then I liked their young guys in the secondary, like Tar he still.
64:30Um, but we're not talking about like, you know, the top corners in the NFL out there.
64:35It's just like German James and that very unique role.
64:38So yeah, I would guess that they would finish like maybe they are like 10th this year, 12th this year and not,
64:44you know, third in scoring that they have been the last couple of years.
64:48It, the, the, I, I read a little bit up on O'Leary and, um, about what's at Western Michigan and read that
64:55he was like a very aggressive, like a lot of blitzing.
64:58But I also am like, well, when you're outgun talent wise, you're coaching a small school.
65:03I don't really feel like it's transferable because you're just trying to like erase those advantages by creating havoc.
65:08So I don't think that necessarily means the chargers who don't blitz are going to suddenly become this like incredibly blitz heavy man coverage.
65:15It's just not, it's just also not like winter really like did a great job of building it around the skillset of the players he has.
65:23These are zone corners, you know, like the, uh, front, the way you get pressure, he was ran a lot of simulated
65:30pressures obviously, and was very successful in doing so.
65:32And I think, um, you know, I think the thing I would just say like to again, watching them about when I
65:39say they're well coached, like they just always felt like they had like three guys around the ball, you know?
65:45And I think that'll sustain. I mean, it's the same most, it's a lot of the same players with, as you mentioned, a few changes.
65:52Uh, but I do think like you have to acknowledge the loss of mentor and how that could potentially impact the group just like on the margins.
66:00Yeah. And like Tony Jefferson still listed as a starter.
66:03He's been around for a very long time. In Molden?
66:06Um, yeah. Yeah. And they have Genesis Smith. I think it's like 34.
66:10His, his, his birthday is, is older than, older than mine, which if I was playing in the NFL, my, my legs are so sore already.
66:17I can't believe that these guys are able to do this still, but I was looking like with O'Leary Western Michigan ninth
66:24in scoring last year on defense, you know, at Western Michigan.
66:27Uh, so like there's, there's probably something to it.
66:30I just, you know, I thought Jesse mentor was like the second or third best defensive player calling the league last, last year.
66:36So like, I'm guessing O'Leary is not going to be the second or third best.
66:41I would guess. Also, they'll be put in, you know, I talked about situational football with the Broncos.
66:46They'll probably be put in better positions by the offense.
66:49If things go as we suggest. And I look at this group and I still think there'll be good against the run.
66:56They added, they did add Dalvin Tomlinson, Caldwell up front, tired tart, the backers, the same, they're great tackling defense.
67:01So I'm ready to look stupid again. Chargers fans.
67:04I really am. I'm not, I want to be clear.
67:07I'm not saying I, I think the minimum be above an average defense.
67:11I just like talent wise. I always look at that.
67:14I'm like, they were better than the sum of their parts.
67:17I think I'll just say that. I do think it's interesting.
67:20O'Leary, um, like coach James. And that's a good thing too, because he was a safety coach in 224 because James is
67:27the straw that obviously stirs the drink in that defense.
67:30Did he just get paid? Did he just give him a new contract?
67:34I feel like. They should. Yeah. I don't remember.
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69:15Different kind of goals this season for Vegas. I think the most important goal and the thing that has to be accomplished
69:21is putting Fernando Mendoza in a situation where he doesn't, where he can grow and it looks competent.
69:26So let's start there. Is this a good enough situation for Fernando Mendoza?
69:30Or are we just saying Tyler Linderbaum and ignoring everything else?
69:33I mean, I'm not even sure if I can get to that point because I don't even know how much he's actually going to play.
69:41Oh, we're going to play. Come on. How long have we been doing this?
69:45I think he's going to play like half the season.
69:48How long have we been doing this? Do teams stick with that?
69:51Yeah. I would say like week eight. They're by weeks like week 13.
69:55But we might like go half the season with Kirk Cousins and stuff.
69:59The schedule, let me pull it up. Because I remember I always like to look for like the soft spot in the schedule.
70:06And it's actually, it's not a great, the schedule is not set up well for him to play early.
70:11To me, like the difference is like it's Tom Brady is like saying, I didn't do this.
70:16We're not going to do this. Like that's where I think, you know, there's maybe more pressure versus like, you know, Joe
70:23Blow saying like we're going to, this is our plan.
70:26Maybe he'll be busy wrestling or whatever the hell he's doing.
70:29What is, what is going on? I don't know.
70:32Yeah. So through week eight, because then week five, you got a brutal stretch.
70:36You get Patriots, Bills, Rams, Jets. But then you get Niners, Seahawks, Broncos.
70:40Jesus. I mean, the problem is just you're in this division.
70:43So like, yeah, that's where I feel like, you know, maybe it's that Jets game, like kind of early on, you know,
70:49the defense isn't going to be very good. The schedule is what it is.
70:54They're figuring it out on, on offense. If it looks a lot better this year, like, like you just said, that they
71:00don't have, you know, the UCLA Bruins head coach calling plays.
71:03They have the Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator calling plays like that seems good.
71:07Colton Miller shouldn't play four games like he did last year.
71:11And he's been a top 10 guy over the last three years.
71:14According to PFF past blocking grades. Like he's been doing that forever.
71:18Linderbaum's a big signing. They need him to be.
71:20They paid him $9 million more per year than the previous top paid center and Creed Humphrey.
71:25And I'm not sure if he's actually, I know he's not better than Creed Humphrey.
71:30But yeah, so I think Mendoza is going to be a storyline here.
71:34I just fear it's going to be like November or December.
71:37And like at that point, like I don't even need to tune into Raiders games aside for the Brock Bauer stuff.
71:43I feel like, look, okay. It's Clint Kubiak. Going to get a lot of tight ends.
71:48They also, I sneakily think, speaking of like fullbacks, Connor Hayward, they added.
71:52The Seahawks really like using a fullback, Rob Butts, last season.
71:55And I think this run game wouldn't be surprised if we see a decent amount of Hayward too.
72:00I think the offensive line should be better. Although I am very worried about the entire right side.
72:05Yes, very, very much so. But I really wish they added a receiver.
72:09And maybe they will. But right now, Jack Bash, Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor.
72:13It's tough. I have a pet peeve, which is I hate when B guys are like, they like the guys they have.
72:20They shouldn't. They might like him. Could you love somebody though?
72:23Like get something that you love. It's like when, like we should use that language when we know somebody's in an unhappy relationship.
72:30And like they're like, they like the guy they have.
72:33And it's like, do you really? You like him?
72:35Because it's not good enough. I think that it all starts to me over whether this could be a competent run game.
72:42Because we know they're going to run the ball heavily.
72:45Ashton Gentry, their Raiders running backs last year. They're average 1.71 yards before contact for carry, which is worse than the NFL.
72:51Five Adel Hill teams had twice that, including the Denver Broncos, which is insane.
72:55So I think everyone's kind of leaning on can't be that bad.
72:59But is that like a good bar? I think it can't be that bad.
73:03Like, I mean, we do this thing in the offseason, you know, from doing this for like the last, you know, handful of years.
73:10We're like, we kind of like take the positive spin on every team.
73:14And then like, at some point, there's half the league where we're like, I can't.
73:18And I do think the Raiders are obviously going to be atop that list.
73:22Because the glaze stuff at right tackle was really bad.
73:25Jackson Powers Johnson, they just like have not figured that out.
73:29Now, to be frank, it was Pete Carroll's son as the offensive line coach last year.
73:33There's probably a big upgrade coming there. It's like those type of things.
73:37They should get better. But I was going to ask you about Gentry.
73:41Obviously, like he's going to get way better because the offensive line, everything's going to get better.
73:46Obviously, when you're watching him, I saw a difference maker out in the open field and that he was making a lot of guys miss.
73:53He's a pain in the butt to tackle. I'm not sure if I saw like super decisive, super fast foot quickness compared
74:00to, you know, you have to like look at like Saquon Barkley is like, this is what we're trying to aim for.
74:06He's not going to be Gibbs or Bijon. Is he going to be Saquon?
74:10Is he going to be anywhere near that? I had my doubts.
74:14Like, I almost like view him like closer to like, you know, Josh Jacobs.
74:18Which is like a really strong running back. But I had my concerns going back and just watching him like throwing out all of the bad plays.
74:26Be like, is he like, is he an all pro?
74:29Like, are we really sure he's like going to be that guy?
74:32I have a feeling he's going to be a tier below what we were expecting.
74:37With all the obviously caveats that we already provided about how shitty the situation was and how insane everything was in Vegas and how bad it all was.
74:45I thought he looked more elusive than explosive. Definitely.
74:48And if you think about like Clint Kubiak and this being like an under center wide zone run game, I don't know
74:54if he's like the best fit exactly for it.
74:57But I do think if there's some issues with the offensive line, he can help mask those in a way that like
75:03a Kenneth Walker doesn't to be blunt. Kenneth or like, you know, how do I put it?
75:08Like, like Darian Price, who the Seahawks just drafted.
75:11You're like, I get it. Right. One cut. Bam.
75:14And gente to me is I actually feel like I'm trying to think of like what, like Denver.
75:19He'd be awesome. I think I just think I don't know if he's ever going to be like if he's going to
75:26be like one of those, like you said, like those top five explosive play backs.
75:30He's not be John Robinson to me, but I do think he has some creative and eraser or creative potential and erases
75:36some bad plays in a way where he can bring this thing up to average.
75:41I think he's a good back. I think he's good.
75:44Like Brees Hall, I think is maybe somewhat a little bit similar.
75:47I think Brees Hall's got maybe a little bit more juice and gente is a little bit more of a bowling ball.
75:54But the good news with gente is he's a really effective pass catcher.
75:58And I do think they have no choice that they have to get that going more.
76:02He's going to be tasked with pass protection because his backup is Mike Washington.
76:06Like you can't throw out a boom bust style rookie out there.
76:10So he's going to be tasked with playing a bunch of the passing downs.
76:14I know he is good as a receiver there.
76:17And I hope that he just speeds up his own pacing.
76:20I think a lot of the yards before contact numbers was because the offensive line.
76:24But there was some plays. I do think that he was just like his feet were stopped and he's kind of looking
76:31around and then all of a sudden he got hit.
76:34So I think he's a good running back. I'm not sure if he's like going to be an elite one.
76:40And then I think on the flip side, Brock Bowers, like he had a terrible season because of the knee.
76:46There's no question like that. That is a superstar.
76:48How's he going to use him? Because, okay, so like the entire Seahawks offense ran through, you know, Jack, not entire, but
76:55like Jackson, but had like, I'm sure the most targets, this is your account.
76:59You guys look at this stuff closely. I'm sure.
77:02The highest target share by like three or four percentage points.
77:05It was crazy. So your best player is a tight end.
77:08Everybody knows this. And there are offenses where you can flow through that, right?
77:12Like we've seen that model by Arizona. Their best player is a tight end at times in Kansas City.
77:18It's been Travis Kelsey, certainly against certain defensive looks.
77:20But it's not as simple as saying, oh, cool.
77:23He's, we can line him up outside like most of the time or on the backside of and treat him like our number one.
77:30And he is a tight end. It's different. Like, you know, you, the way he is used, obviously I'm not saying I'm not comparing him to JSN.
77:38Nobody thinks that. But like, this is, it's a little bit tricky for me to imagine him getting that level of target that we saw with JSN.
77:46Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the JSN stuff is silly because he was, he became excellent down the field.
77:51Like it plus like the ins and outs, like he was, he had everyone dancing.
77:56So like that's an impossible, not impossible, but it's nearly impossible bar to clear.
78:00I think they can use them like Drake London.
78:03You know, if we're going to throw it, comparing the wide receivers, Drake London would be one.
78:08There's a little bit of Puka Nakua overlap there.
78:10So I do think that like, there is a huge season waiting for Brock Bowers.
78:15My little notes on him, 65 yards per game through his first two seasons are the most to start a two year
78:21career at tight end since at least 2000. Like the next closest guys are like all the hall of famers, your gates,
78:28your Kelsey's Gronk skills, all those type of guys.
78:30So like he's in the right range. He's actually at the very top of that.
78:35And then I was Ryan Paganetti. He's just all of a sudden just blown up on Twitter.
78:40Former staffer for the Eagles doing like analytics and like helping out coaching coaches do game plans.
78:45He was at the Raiders last year and he tweeted, quote, we had a goal last year in Las Vegas of single
78:51season record for catches and targets for Brock Bowers before the week one injury.
78:55And like, that's where I think this thing's going.
78:58Like, I think the defense is going to be mediocre to bad.
79:01And like you said, the wide receivers are terrible.
79:04I think they're only going to run the ball so much behind that offensive line.
79:09Like I think Brock Bowers is going to go absolutely crazy there.
79:12And I do think he's as close to a wide receiver as we see with tight end.
79:17Like, yeah, that's what I think I'm thinking about.
79:20I mentioned Kelsey and McBride. I'm trying to think of like other historical example.
79:24You know what I mean? Of like Kelsey, like three by one step where he's like the guy just in isolation.
79:30Part of the reason that worked is that, I mean, they did that mostly with when Tyreek Hill was well.
79:36I don't know. I just if I'm a defense, like who are you worried about?
79:40Like, I think that's just I understand that he's going to consume like most of the volume here.
79:46And I think like to be clear, like Naylor is a good player.
79:49Besh was clearly underutilized. They all want to play the slot.
79:53Like I like Naylor in the slot. I like Jack Besh as a slot receiver.
79:57Like Trey Tucker is going to be their ex and he is really small.
80:01So like Michael Mayer, he actually did a lot of, you know, tight end stuff in college.
80:06Or a slot stuff in college. Like they have five guys that want to play the slot and they have one or two slot options per snap.
80:14And like Gentry is going to line up out wide on occasion there and run some of those little routes as well.
80:21So it's like this is where Kubiak is looking at this.
80:24Like I just don't have the right guys yet.
80:27This is going to take three, four years. Yeah.
80:29That's just on offense. I just think if they added like one.
80:33Maybe like a problem is like it's like there's extra receivers don't grow on trees, but like if they're fair was.
80:39I mean, they can't do the stuff like their history.
80:42Like the Raiders can't be in the. Like it's like, I just wish they had one more receiver.
80:47That's all. You know, I'm excited for Mendoza. I was very high on him.
80:51Talked about him a lot ahead of the draft Raiders fans.
80:55You know, I'm not going to get into all of that again.
80:58I think. Okay. So just to kind of put a bow on this where we wrap with the Raiders defense.
81:04I think what I'll say about like Ken Mendoza be successful.
81:07Is this good enough? If this run game can approach average so that he's not on third and long.
81:13Then I think yes. But that to me is kind of the barometer here.
81:17And whether or not the run game can approach average.
81:20You're going to need. Much decent play on the right side of that offensive line.
81:24I think for this to work, even with, you know, a full bag, all the big bodies.
81:29Yeah. That's important. I don't like their chances. Yeah.
81:32All right. Defensively. Patrick Graham out. I think people will be surprised to learn.
81:36The Raiders were 14th in defensive DVOA, which we'll get to the Steelers, but tip to Patrick Graham, because he kept the
81:43thing looking competent, despite some real talent deficiencies. And I think deserves a lot of credit for that.
81:48But some interesting splits. They were six in DVOA on first down, 29th on third down.
81:53Uh-oh. Yeah. They were better against the pass in the run, though.
81:56A lot of that had to do with the absence of pressure, I think, and also some real issues on the back end, which we'll get to.
82:04Bring in a new defensive coordinator, Rob Leonard, who has NFL experience.
82:08I think the expectation, reading some of the Raiders coverage, is that it's going to be Mike McDonald-y like.
82:13He was with him in Baltimore. So, you know, we talk about the Mike McDonald defense on this pod, split safety, zone
82:20heavy, light boxes, four-man rush, simulated pressures, just to oversimplify some of the things you might see.
82:25Talent-wise, they did add players. There was a focus here, at the game of the expense of taking a receiver, and also in free agency.
82:32Linebacker room is remade with former teammates, N'Kobe Dean and Kway Walker.
82:36Quiddy Pays, now opposite Max Crosby, but they drafted Kieran Cofford out of Auburn's player I liked.
82:41And then they drafted Jermon McCoy, fourth round, ending his fall.
82:44But otherwise, the secondary, oh, they added Taron Johnson to play.
82:47All right. So, I guess, let's start from with like a positive.
82:51One, you're coming off of an above average, statistically, defensive season.
82:54What do you think is the case for the Raiders defense to continue improving this season?
82:59Like, when you look at that group, like, what makes you think that could happen?
83:03I think just more depth, kind of everywhere, is probably the place to start.
83:07There's a couple seasons there in a row where the secondary was just starting.
83:11Like, all three of the guys, it was really below average.
83:15Like, I really like, like trade on Stoops, their second rounder.
83:18Oh yeah, I should have met him. Yes. He was, like, he was, he was really good that last season.
83:24He kind of played between positions. I think that he can push, uh, Teron Johnson maybe by the end of the season
83:30and like Jermon McCoy, like you never know. Apparently he's going to be ready for, for training camp.
83:35So you don't know what ready means, but like, if that hits, that would be a big deal.
83:41Um, via, even like just like, you know, Eric Stokes, Jeremy Chandler, they at least have like guys that have played, played football before.
83:48Stokes was pretty good last year and they paid him.
83:51Um, and like, it's not always perfect to look at covered stats, but he was actually ninth in passer rating allowed eighth
83:57in success rate and tied for first in yards per snap.
84:01Um, wow. So he was not the problem. The problem was they were 32nd in DVO versus number two wide receivers.
84:07Safety play was bad. And the safety play was also, yeah.
84:10So it was kind of everyone but him. He was decent.
84:13I think either you need Darian Porter to take a leap or you need McCoy to beat him.
84:18You need Johnson to stabilize things or you need Stokes to be, you know, like there's options to your debate about depth.
84:25Um, and then I think the improved linebacker play is massive.
84:28I mean, this is a good linebacker group. Now Walker and Dean, I, not only do I like them as upgrades on
84:35what we saw last year and not losing spleen, I think hurt them.
84:39I like them together. Like I think those two backers fit well.
84:42They're like complimentary players where he can be the signal caller and then Walker can just go and be explosive.
84:48So I, I like this group much better than last season.
84:51Yeah. There's, there's definitely more upside with just in terms of, you know, the, the level of talent there.
84:57So like, yeah, like you said, the, the linebacker play, it's a yin and yang.
85:01And hopefully that makes both of them better. Dean's had some big time injuries, a very unique player, um, as well.
85:07But yeah, Quay Walker is the one where I don't think I would have been the one to sign him to the
85:14contract, but in theory, you know, having him next to the guy he's played football with should help him out.
85:20And then beyond that, even the, the edge rushing group, uh, Quiddy pay really one dimensional.
85:24I think he was 10th in ESPN, uh, run block, or run stuff, win rate, whatever the definition is.
85:30Uh, but it does not have any juice as a pass rusher.
85:34And then K Ron Crawford, I thought was really interesting.
85:37They got him in the third. Yeah. He was, he was really explosive and he would be like out there in coverage.
85:43And then they would loop them inside. And I thought he had like legit moves as a pass rusher.
85:49And I, I guess they traded for, uh, Max Crosby this off season, whatever we're calling that.
85:54It's like, he's back, but off of a torn meniscus that obviously the Ravens didn't like to have.
85:59So it's, it's, it's one of these things where the Raiders defense for the last five years has probably been like with
86:05the worst defense in the NFL on average. They're nowhere near that at this point, but trying to get like a good,
86:12like a read on the situation to me, I found was like too difficult with all the, the moving parts, the Crosby thing.
86:19Okay. So like from what I've heard with Baltimore, the, and I could be wrong here, but it seems like their concern wasn't about this season with him.
86:27Yeah. It's about the future. And so we're talking about this season and for the Raiders, the L is not this season.
86:33It's that either he's going to decline in the future or they won't be able to trade him.
86:39There was no more trade chatter after that. Um, so I think it, you know, the world where like Max Crosby comes back, looks fine.
86:46And everyone's like the Raiders Ravens are liars. And that's not at all like the dynamic, but I do think like, you
86:53know, last year when he played, like he was still amazing against the run.
86:57He's still a good player. Um, even if he's lower, it's like his snaps, like why, like maybe he doesn't have to
87:03play a thousand and a hundred snaps this year because you know, like Malcolm Coons also like that was somebody before his injury.
87:10He was like top 10 and the nerdy metrics as well too.
87:13It's like, like four guys now, or maybe like, maybe Max Crosby should play 846 snaps this year.
87:19that would be another Mike McDonald thing is to use more of a rotation.
87:23Uh, if, uh, Rob Leonard was to go in that direction, but, but McDonald also had a stacked group and this isn't a stacked group.
87:30Um, so, you know, we'll see. I think, success for, I always talk about this with like teams who aren't like competitors
87:37who aren't like contenders or playoff teams. Cause I don't think they're a playoff team.
87:41Success is 99% of it. It was just Mendoza not getting killed back there and looking like a good pick.
87:47But for defense, I think, um, you want a, you want Dean and Walker to work because that was your big move.
87:54And then I would think you'd want like one of these draft picks that we've mentioned to hit, whether it's McCoy's the
88:00dream because of how good his tape was pre injury.
88:03But if it's Stooks or Crawford, you know what I mean?
88:06Like just, if someone looks like a guy, then you at least have start to have like a young core.
88:12You feel good about, especially as Crosby kind of enters the twilight of his career.
88:17yeah. And sometimes with these defensive coordinators, like we just don't see them coming.
88:21And it's like, yeah, in theory that could be Leonard, you know, like I have no notes on Leonard.
88:26Um, but you know, sometimes these guys pop out, out of nowhere and then they are actually very effective.
88:32So it comes from the right tree at least.
88:34Yeah. I was going to say is Mike McDonald might be the new, I had coffee with Mike McDonald.
88:40So it should be. Yeah. That's how good of a coordinator he is.
88:44Like he should be treated as McVeigh. No, I mean fully like, look, it's, it's, that's what I was very high on.
88:50I mentioned O'Leary, not very high, but like it's, there's a case for optimism there.
88:55Um, all right. Well, Hmm. Was that we, did I sound too low in the Raiders?
89:00I, I think. Okay. Just to kind of, you know, I, I really liked the Mendoza pick.
89:05I'm optimistic about him. I think things are getting better.
89:07I think it was the right coach. I am just a little bit apprehensive of the people like that.
89:13There were still missing pieces on both sides of the ball.
89:16I think that's how I would sum it up.
89:19They're way better. They're like, it's like a real organization again.
89:22Um, but you know, we're, we're here for 20, 28.
89:25Yes. Oh, 28. I mean, that's kind of just, we've got to be realistic every once in a while.
89:31All right. Well, it has come the time to rank the teams.
89:34Oh no. Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to talk out loud all off season.
89:39I've been Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders. I feel good about the Broncos as my number one.
89:44You said you have them as a super bowl team.
89:47I have, I was just asked about the AFC and I, and they, the power rankings, they've consistently been the top AFC team.
89:53I just, the team is so like stacked. Um, I'm, I, I, I've, I still feel good about the Chargers, I'm going
90:00to go, I'm going to stick with it. Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs.
90:03Don't love it. Raiders. I see the same way.
90:06Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs. I'll, I'll do the cop out thing.
90:09And this, how annoying I'm going to be. All three make the playoffs.
90:13Hey, you know, they're all, I think I was looking at the markets.
90:16They're all favored to make the playoffs. Really? All three.
90:19Like that's how close this thing is. Like it's about even on who's going to win the division, but all three of
90:26them are, um, more likely than not expected to make the playoffs.
90:29Now all three together. That's a totally different, you know, mathematical equation, but those are three T three, really good teams.
90:36I do think the Broncos, I would make them first though.
90:39The AFC is going to be a beast to untangle.
90:42Cause as I've been doing these power rankings, one thing that's very obvious is the NFC is very top heavy.
90:48And then you can eliminate a lot. The AFC is like.
90:51Fifth, like eight teams that are, you're like, they're good.
90:54So it's hard to, they don't have as much of a middle class as the NFC.
90:59And yeah, like you're like off all three teams from this division, make the playoff.
91:03Who are you cutting Cincinnati? Are you not here to answer that?
91:07I'm only on one preview. I'm out of here.
91:09All right. Remind folks where they can check out your pod.
91:12Uh, yeah. Josh Norris over at Yahoo. We'll be doing shows with Nate Tice, Matt Harmon, Justin Boone and, and the other out there.
91:19It's a really exciting time. They have college football NFC for the first time.
91:24So if you guys are into that type of thing, um, true sicko stuff, Notre Dame plus the, the power four conferences
91:30and obviously all the, the regular Yahoo fantasy stuff out there.
91:33But, uh, first show is, um, the 27th with Matt Harmon.
91:37So that'll be fun. I need to listen. Cause I'm in a dynasty, that dynasty league.
91:41Danny Kelly is also in it. Uh, we've been doing it for years now.
91:45Uh, however, they don't call me the, the, the Howie Roseman of the league, but I did draft Harold fan and junior.
91:52And I actually might, I, I had Kelsey forever.
91:55People love hearing about your dynasty teams. And I, so like I, you know, obviously that's the, he continues to be a
92:01factor for Kansas city, but I, I draft Trey McBride and fan.
92:05And so I've just been like so good drafting tight ends, but my receivers group is awful.
92:10Just atrocious. I'm the same boat. I got, I got pits, but low on pits.
92:14And then I got a Rhonda Gadsden, like the fourth round.
92:17Uh, but my, my wide receiver three is like Keenan Allen.
92:20So he's not even on a football team. So I don't know what happened there.
92:25It's not great. I think I'm, I started. Rashad, not or something even somebody worse.
92:29I can't remember. It's pretty, it's pretty grim. I started Titans era, Tyler Lockett at one point.
92:34It happens. The dynasty of leagues are it's, it's insane.
92:37It's a two quarterback league. I still have, why are we doing this for ourselves?
92:42I still have Derek Carr on my team. I'm holding it onto him.
92:45Yeah. Just in case, just in case. He seems undecided.
92:48Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, uh, that was the AFC West.
92:52Thank you so much for, to Hayden for joining us.
92:55Go check out his podcast. Uh, we'll be back next week to do the NFC South.
92:59Ooh, that division. Uh, and as I mentioned, power ranks, we will continue, uh, until morale improves.
93:04Bill Simmons is up next. Thank you. As always, by the way, to the folks at Omaha production.
93:10Sorry. I was so happy to get off that joke.
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