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TNF REAX + 6 biggest fantasy questions we want answered in Week 6

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1 hr 46 min
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Oct 16, 2026
Published
Fri, October 16, 2026
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Colston LovelandJeremiyah LoveCarnell TateCyrus AllenJalen HurtsJaylen WaddleA.J. BrownBo NixBryce YoungCaleb WilliamsCam WardChuba HubbardCole KmetCooper Kupp
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A.J. Brown

NegativeInjury60:27

Week six status for AJ Brown is 'up in the air'—he might play or might not play, creating uncertainty heading into the week.

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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection3:00

Bo Nix finished with 3.96 air yards per attempt in the Broncos' overtime win, marking his 155th-lowest performance among 163 qualifying QBs this season. He also posted 1.2 air yards per completion with zero completed passes beyond the sticks at one point in the fourth quarter. The source notes this is not Nix's lowest air yards per attempt game of the season; he also had 4.5 against the Chargers in a win. Sean Payton clearly does not trust Nix downfield, and Nix himself shows no confidence in his mobility, giving himself up and running out of bounds rather than extending plays.

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Bryce Young

PositiveProjection24:00

Bryce Young is ranked as the QB3 in fantasy through Week 5 and is projected for 21 points against the Eagles in Week 6. The source believes the Panthers can exceed this projection, noting that Young has been excellent against pressure this season, ranking about 15th in pressure-related categories and top 10 when not pressured. The source expects the Panthers to be aggressive offensively under Brad Isakson's play-calling, which has been more aggressive than Dave Canales' previous approach.

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Caleb Williams

PositiveProjection39:00

Caleb Williams is back from injury for the Bears in Week 6. The Bears are projected for 26 points on the road as favorites against the Atlanta Falcons, a favorable matchup for the offense.

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Cam Ward

NegativeProjection61:38

The source raises the question of whether Cam Ward can throw for 270 yards against the Colts, noting he has never achieved that yardage in his NFL career. This is framed as a potential upside scenario dependent on the Titans' ability to compete against Indianapolis.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveProjection59:00

Carnell Tate has been excellent on tape and is in line for a really big week ahead. The source believes it's a close call on tape between Tate and Denzel Washington as to who is the better receiver. However, Tate has had some drops and tracking issues, and he made a quote saying 'I never lose this much in my life' after joining the Titans.

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PositiveMatchup61:05

Tate is being used as a Z receiver, kicking into the slot off motion on about 26% of snaps and averaging 18 air yards per target. The Colts defense is a slot funnel allowing the most yards to receivers lined up inside and allowing big chunky vertical plays; they rank fourth-fewest in yards to receivers lined up out wide. This is a favorable matchup for Tate to chase a good week, as the source recommends starting him against this specific defense.

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Chuba Hubbard

PositiveProjection24:00

Chuba Hubbard is ranked as the RB6 in fantasy through Week 5 and is part of a Panthers offense that has been the second-most fruitful in the NFL through five weeks. The source believes the Panthers can exceed their 21-point projection against the Eagles, though notes it may feel like a slog. Hubbard benefits from the Panthers' aggressive offensive approach under Brad Isakson.

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Cole Kmet

NegativeProjection39:00

Cole Kmet is one of several Bears skill position players being evaluated for Week 6 against Atlanta. The source is ranking him alongside D'Andre Swift, Caleb Williams, Darnell Mooney, Colston Loveland, and others, but does not provide specific analysis or ranking for Kmet in this segment.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeProjection39:00

Colston Loveland is one of several Bears skill position players being evaluated for Week 6 against Atlanta. The source mentions planning to write the shortest section on Loveland due to perceived bad luck, but does not provide specific analysis or ranking in this segment.

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NegativeRole39:34

Loveland has been used as a pass blocker on 13% of his snaps this season, a significant increase from 5.8% in the playoff stretch last year (3.9% in the dominant five-game span). This elevated blocking usage, driven by left tackle rotation and full-slide protections, has limited his receiving opportunities despite leading the NFL in total snaps among tight ends, running backs, and wide receivers. When lined up outside, he has just three catches on six targets for 25 yards this year versus 3.08 yards per route run in the five-game playoff stretch last year.

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NegativeProjection39:34

Despite having the most snaps of any tight end, running back, or wide receiver in the NFL this season, Loveland has underperformed expectations set by his top-40 draft position. The source is dimming the light on his ceiling, noting that if he doesn't produce this week against a high point total with Caleb Williams back, the outlook will be declared unlikely to improve. Ben Johnson's offensive scheme with Williams appears to prioritize other targets (Kalief Raymond, Sam Rauch, Cole Kmet in 13 personnel) over Loveland's out-wide mismatch role.

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NegativeMatchup42:00

Loveland is ranked third among tight ends for this week's matchup, behind Luther Burden and A.J. Dunes, due to the Falcons' defensive weakness against outside receiver production (third most yards allowed to receivers lined up out wide). However, his ranking reflects uncertainty about whether his blocking usage will persist or change with Caleb Williams' return.

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Cooper Kupp

NegativeUsage11:00

Cooper Kupp ran 30 routes for the Seahawks, the second-most on the team behind AJ Barner's 31 routes. However, the source notes that Kupp is not getting a lot of effective catches downfield, which is troubling for a player of his caliber. This reflects the Seahawks' broader offensive depth problem.

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Cyrus Allen

NegativeRole47:01

Day three rookie wide receiver who had a good summer but missed some time; the source notes this is a team that never trusts its rookie wide receivers early on. Allen has run only 10 routes all season and doesn't even have a picture on the source's projections. Coming off a bye week with two weeks to prepare, he's probably got to get a bump in playing time, though even a significant bump would likely result in him becoming a 33% snap player.

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NegativeRole69:01

Cyrus Allen, a day three rookie, had a good summer but missed some time. He is theoretically Rashee Rice's backup, though the Chiefs have a history of not trusting rookie wide receivers early on, which may limit his opportunities.

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D'Andre Swift

PositiveProjection39:00

DeAndre Swift is identified as a definite start for the Bears in Week 6 against Atlanta. The source ranks him as the clear top option among Bears skill position players, ahead of other options like Cole Kmet, Darnell Mooney, Colston Loveland, and others.

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Dallas Goedert

NegativeInjury21:00

Dallas Goedert has missed two games, adding to the Eagles' injury woes at tight end. His absence is part of a cascading series of injuries affecting the Eagles offense in Week 6.

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Denzel Boston

PositiveBreakout60:05

Boston has not yet had a game with more than seven targets but is positioned for higher target volume in future weeks; the source notes he creates separation and wins in tight-window targets despite being perceived as slow or stiff, and is already succeeding in an environment where many others have failed. His style—creating space on hinge routes and forcing defenders to bounce off him—suggests upside for eight, nine, 10, 11, or 12 target games ahead.

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DeVonta Smith

NegativeInjury21:00

DeVonta Smith missed last week and is missing practice in Week 6, likely to be ruled out for the Eagles-Panthers matchup. His absence further depletes an already injury-ravaged Eagles receiving corps.

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DK Metcalf

NegativeRole64:04

DK Metcalf's route running and pass accessibility are less aligned with Aaron Rodgers' preferences compared to Jeremy Bernard's skill set, suggesting Bernard may see more opportunity in the Steelers' quick-access, blitz-beating passing scheme.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection60:15

The source notes that Drake Maye 'is crushing it' and the Patriots' schedule is 'getting lighter,' suggesting the Patriots are 'coming back' as a team. This context supports optimism about the Jets-Patriots matchup from a Patriots perspective.

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Emanuel Wilson

NegativeUsage13:00

Emmanuel Wilson is characterized as the ultimate plotter back who can only hit the holes that are there. He was not giving the Seahawks much in the run game, leading to George Alano getting increased carries late in the game. The source notes Wilson is susceptible to other backs nipping at his heels.

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Jalen Coker

PositiveRole27:00

Jalen Coker is expected to return from injury and run the most routes out of the slot against the Eagles in Week 6. Philadelphia allows a 22% target per route rate to slot receivers (second-most in the NFL), making this a favorable matchup. Coker is part of a highly concentrated Panthers passing attack where the top two receivers (Coker and Ted Romic Millen) were the one through six most target-concentrated duo in the NFL in the first two weeks when healthy. The source expects Coker to slice and dice the Eagles secondary.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeInjury17:00

Jalen Hurts has been ruled out for Week 6 against the Panthers due to a superficial blood clot. According to Ian Rappaport's reporting, the blood clot was found prior to last week; Hurts had calf soreness that typically precedes blood clots. Blood clots can move into different organs, especially the lungs, requiring players to go on blood thinners—which prevents them from playing contact sports due to the risk of multiple car wrecks per game. The timeline for Hurts' return depends on how long he remains on blood thinners and whether the clot moves to different areas. Recent examples include Christian Barmore and Taylor Moten (Panthers), who dealt with blood clots; Moten was sidelined starting in May or June and is just returning this week. This could potentially be season-ending.

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NegativeInjury19:45

Jalen Hurts is dealing with blood clots, a serious health issue that casts a dark cloud over the Eagles' season in Week 6. The source emphasizes that while Jalen's health and well-being are the priority, this injury represents an extreme turn for a Philadelphia offense already beset by multiple disasters including Lane Johnson's retirement, Landon Dickerson's injury reserve stint, Cam Jurgens' trade, Saquon Barkley's missed games, and DeVonta Smith's injury.

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Jalen Royals

NegativeRole68:39

Jalen Royals theoretically runs the Rashee Rice routes and fills that role for the Chiefs, but the source questions whether he is good at football and notes this was his pre-draft opinion based on very limited NFL action so far.

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Jaylen Waddle

NegativeProjection4:00

Waddle led the Dolphins in targets (7) and catches (4) but managed only 24 yards in a game where Bo Nix averaged 3.9 air yards per attempt—the 155th-lowest mark among 163 qualifying QBs this season. The source was highly confident in Waddle's role and route tree preseason but regrets not emphasizing the risk of Bo Nix's limited downfield passing; Nix has regressed since Waddle's arrival and shows no trust in his mobility, relying almost exclusively on checkdowns and swing routes.

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NegativeInjury6:00

Waddle suffered a shoulder injury in the Thursday night game against Seattle, requiring a trip to the locker room early in the game and staying there after halftime. The source characterized this as exactly what the Waddle season needs—another injury scare—in a season already marked by frustration.

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Jeremiyah Love

NegativeInjury48:00

Jeremiah Love is dealing with a preseason high-ankle sprain and is missing his second straight practice heading into week six. If he plays, his usage is expected to be limited due to the Cardinals' cautious approach to his recovery and long-term development.

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NegativeRole52:00

Despite being drafted third overall, Jeremiah Love has seen his role severely limited by the Cardinals' cautious approach to his injury recovery. The source interprets the Cardinals' comments about taking a long view to his career as evidence they are prioritizing his long-term health over immediate fantasy production. Love only has 36 receiving yards this season and was benched in the second half last week when the Cardinals were down by multiple touchdowns, contradicting the preseason theory that he would catch passes in losing game scripts.

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NegativeMatchup54:00

Jeremiah Love faces a brutal schedule ahead with the Cardinals as 12.5-point underdogs this week against the Rams, followed by games against the Broncos, Cowboys, Seahawks, Rams again, and Kansas City Chiefs—all likely to be blowout losses. The source cannot project how many fourth quarters Love will play over the next six games, making him an unreliable fantasy asset despite his draft capital. The Cardinals' pattern of benching him in second halves of blowouts will likely continue throughout this stretch.

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Justin Watson

PositiveRole68:01

With Tyquan Thornton out long-term and Rashee Rice dealing with a hamstring injury, Justin Watson may emerge as the Chiefs' best vertical wide receiver option in the depleted receiver room.

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Kalif Raymond

PositiveProjection44:48

Kalief Raymond has unexpectedly led the Bears in target share (16.7%) and air yard share (14.5%, both ranking third on the team and ahead of Colston Loveland) through five weeks. However, his production has deteriorated in recent games: six targets for 12 total yards in weeks four and five, with declining raw participation. The source expects his target share and air yard share to decline, suggesting his early-season usage was an anomaly and that by December he will settle into a role player status.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveUsage60:47

The source projects this will be 'a massive workload week once again for Kenneth Walker, the third, considering the state is wide receiver' (i.e., Kansas City's receiving corps is depleted). The source suggests a likely scenario is '17 points for Ken Walker, the third and then another touchdown for Travis Kelsey.'

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Luther Burden

PositiveProjection48:00

The source is confident in starting Luther Burden this week, ranking him first among the Bears tight ends/receivers in play, ahead of A.J. Dunes and Colston Loveland. The confidence is based on the Falcons' weakness against outside receiver production (third most yards allowed) and the expectation that if the Bears score as many points as their head coach believes they will, someone other than running backs will be fantastic in the passing game.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeProjection30:00

Marvin Harrison Jr. is making his debut with the Houston Texans in Week 6 against Jacksonville, but the source recommends caution about starting him. Greg Cosell described Harrison's play in Arizona as 'uninspired'—he was a half step too slow, inconsistent in tight window targets, had mental drops, didn't break tackles after the catch, and showed poor blocking effort. The source expects Harrison to run only 50% of routes in his debut, which would not be fantasy-relevant. Even with familiarity with CJ Stroud from college, the source notes he doesn't necessarily know the complicated Texans offense yet. Jacksonville's defense is talented and extremely press-heavy, which is a difficult matchup for a part-time player.

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Michael Pittman

NegativeRole63:52

Aaron Rodgers has not said one positive thing about Michael Pittman during his time with the Steelers, which signals that Jeremy Bernard is likely to be the team's primary wide receiver two going forward rather than Pittman.

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Nick Bowers

PositiveProjection2:00

Nick Bowers delivered an impressive defensive performance for the Broncos against Seattle, executing several inside spin moves to whip around tackles and recording multiple sacks, including one against Charles Cross. The source called it an electric game from Bowers, noting the Broncos defense is missing its best player in Patrick Surtain but Bowers, their second-best player, stepped up immensely.

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Nico Collins

PositiveMatchup32:00

Nico Collins has gone over 100 yards receiving in five of his last six games against Jacksonville, including each of the last four games. The source identifies Collins as a strong play against Jacksonville's secondary, which shows single-high pre-snap and rotates to two-high post-snap, leaving voids in the middle of the field where CJ Stroud excels. Collins can beat press coverage, making him a preferred target over part-time players like Marvin Harrison Jr. in this matchup.

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Rashee Rice

NegativeInjury67:50

Rashee Rice is out with a hamstring injury, creating uncertainty in the Chiefs' wide receiver room and opening the door for other receivers to step into his role.

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Rashid Shaheed

NegativeUsage12:00

Rashid Shaheed led the Seahawks with 107 air yards and was getting vertical looks downfield, making a great play to get the two-point conversion. However, he ran only 20 routes—10 fewer than Cooper Kupp and 13 fewer than Jackson Smith-Nijigba—and is characterized as an up-and-down player who is not a consistent starter for the Seahawks.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeUsage5:00

R.J. Harvey ran only 9 routes in the Broncos' overtime win against Seattle, receiving 4 targets and catching 3 for 31 yards. The source uses this as evidence of the Broncos' severely limited passing attack and lack of downfield aggression under Sean Payton.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeProjection9:00

Sam Darnold posted 3.69 adjusted yards per attempt in the Seahawks' overtime loss, was hit 15 times, took 5 sacks for 38 yards, and threw two egregious interceptions. The source notes Darnold had happy feet in the pocket all night, staring at open receivers downfield but failing to pull the trigger. His second interception in overtime was particularly inexplicable. The source attributes this to Darnold's discomfort and lack of confidence rather than offensive line play, though he was hit 15 times.

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Saquon Barkley

NegativeInjury21:00

Saquon Barkley has missed a full game and three quarters across two other games, and is expected to miss Week 6 as well. His absence is part of a broader Eagles offensive collapse that includes multiple injuries and roster disruptions.

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Travis Kelce

NegativeProjection60:47

The source projects a likely scenario for Thursday Night Football is 'another touchdown for Travis Kelsey' as part of a game script where Kenneth Walker III gets a massive workload.

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Tyquan Thornton

NegativeInjury67:50

Thornton finished week four with a great game and would have been the hottest waiver wire commodity if he remained healthy; however, he is now projected to miss for a very long time due to injury. With Patrick Mahomes playing well and the Chiefs getting single-high coverage looks, Thornton was positioned as their best deep threat before the injury.

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Velus Jones

NegativeUsage14:00

Valus Jones, a 29-year-old converted wide receiver from Tennessee, received 5 touches (4 carries for 20 yards) in the Seahawks' game against Denver. The source gave him a little juice on his touches because nobody else in the Seahawks run game was doing much. Jones is noted as having been in the league not that long despite his age.

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Xavier Hutchinson

NegativeRole32:00

Xavier Hutchinson is expected to be a part-time player in the Texans offense, similar to Keyshawn Booty and other depth receivers. The source notes that if Marvin Harrison Jr. is part-time in his debut, then Hutchinson and other backup receivers should also be part-time players, limiting their fantasy upside in Week 6.

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Xavier Worthy

PositiveRole60:03

The source characterizes Xavier Worthy as 'not a vertical pass catcher' despite his speed; he is 'the perfect and latest example of you have to be more than fast to be a good downfield player.' In tight window target situations, corners work through him and make him play at their speed versus his speed. Most of his production comes from manufactured touches at the line of scrimmage—drags, whips, and quick outs. The source states 'I think we know who Xavier Worthy is at this point' and is waiting for more evidence before buying in, despite a recent tight coverage win.

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Zach Charbonnet

NegativeDepth Chart14:00

The Seahawks desperately need Zach Charbonnet back from injury. The source notes that without him, the run game lacks juice and the entire offense revolves around Jackson Smith-Nijigba. When asked if Charbonnet is worth adding off IR, the source says yes, just to see if he can help, though there's uncertainty about whether he'll be effective coming off an ACL tear.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00Alright, big show for you here today. It is the Week 6 preview show, but before we get into that, we have
0:07to truly put on our big boy pants and slog through a Thursday night solo recap.
0:11Broncos-Seahawks, an abysmal game for the ages. A humiliating performance by the Denver Broncos offense and their quarterback, and yet they win the football game.
0:19It's a thing that happened. I beat myself up for Jalen Waddell, but at least I talk about how awesome Jackson Smith is.
0:26So there's balance in all things. Also, then, it's Josh Norris and the rest of the Week 6 preview.
0:32We have a ton of great stuff there. We do have to talk about the unfortunate Jalen Hurts news and what that
0:38might mean for the rest of the Eagles season.
0:41We talk about the Panthers offense, the return of Caleb Williams, and we take your questions in the Toyota Fantasy Mailbag hotline.
0:48All that and more come up on today's show.
0:51Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Nightcap.
0:55And it is a hell of a night to talk ball.
0:58Man, of all the football games of all time, that was one of them.
1:03A Thursday night special. Broncos 17. Seahawks 14. I mean, yeah, it had to go to overtime, right?
1:08Why not? Why not? Somebody had to win the game.
1:11It ended up being the Denver Broncos after a disturbing offensive performance.
1:15Let's just leave it that way. I guess before we get negative here, and we're going to get negative, we're going to have fun here tonight.
1:23I try to be positive sometimes. I try to keep it simple.
1:26We're not going to do that. We're going to be mean tonight.
1:30We're going to be mean. I see you guys in the YouTube chat, by the way.
1:35Shout out to the YouTube chat. Jalen Waddle is deep fried.
1:38I played Jalen Waddle tonight just to feel something on a Thursday.
1:42C.K. Kennedy didn't feel much. Beautiful stuff. Beautiful stuff.
1:44At least you can make excuses for Cam with it being year two.
1:48I'm assuming Cam Ward. O-line sucks. Coaches suck. Bo Nix is just straight up.
1:52I'm not going to read that. Okay. Here we go.
1:56Positive before we get into the misery of it all.
1:59I thought Nick Benito was awesome in this game.
2:01Denver Broncos defense put a ton of pressure on Sam Darnold.
2:05It really was seriously electric game from Nick Benito.
2:07Several inside spin moves to whip around the tackles.
2:10You got Charles Cross, at least on one of those sacks.
2:13They harassed Sam Darnold all night. Did the Denver Broncos.
2:16I thought that was really legitimately impressive. This defense is missing its best player in Patrick Sertan.
2:22Nick Benito, who's probably their second best player, stepped up immensely in this one.
2:26I thought that was super impressive. Seahawks defense definitely, of course, always has its moments.
2:30It's really tough to play against. Kind of hard to tell what's the Seahawks defense versus what's the Broncos offense.
2:36That's a little difficult to pull apart here. But two good defenses.
2:40Got to acknowledge that. There's no doubt. There's a couple of really big individual performances to talk about, too, including Jackson Smith-Nijigba.
2:47But we will get to all that. But we have to start, as we always do, on the team that somehow won the game.
2:54Because for the most part, unless you tie, unless your quarterback forgets that the clock is going to expire in overtime to
3:01kick the field goal, somebody's got to win the game.
3:04That was what happened tonight with the Denver Broncos.
3:06They won the game. Bo Nix, man, it's just so tough to watch.
3:10It is so, so tough to watch. Right now, results are probably still rolling in.
3:15And yet, Bo Nix, this is here from Robert Mays.
3:18As of right now, True Media has Bo Nix with 1.2 air yards per completion and zero completed passes beyond the sticks.
3:24The Broncos are winning by two scores. I believe that was at some point early in the fourth quarter.
3:30Mays tweeted that out. On the night, Bo Nix averages 3.9 air yards per attempt.
3:35That is not even Bo Nix's lowest air yards per attempt game of the season.
3:39163 qualifying quarterbacks. He's got the 155th, that was tonight, and the 157th.
3:43By the way, if you're wanting to talk about the other quarterback in this game, Sam Darnold, 4.1 air yards per attempt.
3:50So, not a lot of successful downfield passing in this one.
3:53For the Broncos, I mean almost no. No downfield passing whatsoever.
3:56It's just so tough to watch this offense right now.
4:00And you can't tell me for a single second that Sean Payton, Davis Webb, I don't care who's calling the plays.
4:06It's Sean Payton right now. He doesn't trust this quarterback as far as he can freaking throw him, man.
4:12That final drive in overtime, Bo Nix just booting out.
4:15By the way, you know who doesn't trust Bo Nix?
4:18Bo Nix. Does not trust his mobility whatsoever right now.
4:21This is a guy who, say what you want about Bo Nix.
4:24He certainly is someone that was a dangerous runner, an effective runner at times in his career, in his first two years.
4:31I mean, he just has nothing from a mobility standpoint at all right now.
4:35He's just giving himself up, running out of bounds.
4:38It's so brutal to watch this team and this quarterback right now.
4:42And, like, I... Man, the waddle thing is one of the most frustrating misses of my...
4:46Maybe of my entire career doing this professionally. Because I feel like...
4:50You know, I feel like from a process standpoint about the role that he's playing in the offense, I think we got that one right.
4:58You know, he's playing... He's moving all around the formation.
5:01He's running these big vertical routes. And it just is...
5:04It just does not matter whatsoever. I mean, waddle comes out here actually leading the team in targets.
5:09Seven catches. He leads the team in catches with four.
5:12Seven targets, four catches, 24 yards. And it makes it even more frustrating actually watching on Thursday night.
5:18Because Sam Schwartstein does a great job with the Thursday night football next-gen stats broadcast.
5:22You can see there are open players down the field even when you're watching the game.
5:27And Bo Nix is just dirt in these plays.
5:30I joked with my producers that, you know, they finally had Jalen Waddle run the little swing route out of the backfield.
5:36And that got him a target because that's all Bo Nix throws.
5:40The check down, the swing routes and all that.
5:43It's just... I really wish I had put more emphasis when talking about Waddle on the...
5:47Just the risks of Bo Nix playing with this style.
5:50I really thought he would elevate his game with the arrival of Waddle.
5:54He's gotten worse. He's gotten regressed. I don't know how much of it is just like he's coming back from these ankle
6:01injuries that there was clearly some tension between him and the team about that.
6:05I don't know. I really don't know about that part of it.
6:09But, yeah, very frustrated. Very mad at myself on this Waddle thing.
6:13I'm like pissed off at myself more than I normally am about the Waddle call this offseason.
6:18But, you know, we'll see what happens over the course of the season.
6:22Of course, he also had a trip into the locker room early tonight.
6:26Stayed in there a little bit after halftime. Did Jalen Waddle as well with a shoulder injury.
6:31That's like exactly what this Jalen Waddle season needs is a little bit of an injury scare here.
6:36But, yeah, I mean, nothing is going right. Nothing is happening for the Denver Broncos passing game.
6:41I don't really know when it's going to either.
6:44The schedule doesn't lighten up for them at any time here in the next few weeks.
6:49It's just going to be really tough. I don't really know what to say.
6:53Like, I don't like talking about this team. I don't like watching this team.
6:57It's just bad football. It's really, really bad football.
7:00And I think anyone arguing otherwise is just out of their mind.
7:04I mean, R.J. Harvey ran nine routes tonight. R.J.
7:06Harvey ran nine routes tonight. He got four targets, three catches, 31 yards.
7:10I mean, look at this passing chart, man. It's just – I know Seattle's a great defense, but this is what it's looked like all year.
7:18Like I said, this is not Bo Nix's first game under four air yards per pass attempt.
7:23Shoot, the game against the Chargers that they just won, 4.5 air yards per pass attempt for Bo Nix.
7:29So, I really just – I don't even – I don't know what to say about this team.
7:35It's really bad. It's absolutely brutal. I don't know.
7:37Don't like watching this team. Don't like talking about this team.
7:41That's that. From a Jalen Waddle perspective, that's why the entire offense is in the coping corner.
7:46I don't know. It's just really bad football and not sure when it gets better.
7:50The quarterback just has to play better. It's that simple.
7:53It's usually not that simple. And yet, in this case, it actually is that simple.
7:58So, what a frustrating game to watch. What a frustrating situation here.
8:01I got nixed. Yeah. DB2EZ said that in the chat.
8:04You got nixed. Yep, that's right. Yep. I was high on Waddell.
8:08I told you guys to take him. I was wrong.
8:11And like I said, I'm pissed off at myself about it.
8:14Okay. Let's go to the team that lost the game, the Seattle Seahawks.
8:18Number one, this is where we at least get to have some fun as a wide receiver analyst here.
8:24Jackson Smith and Jigba. What a stud, man. Unbelievable player.
8:27He's about eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.
8:30He's sitting on seven catches for 75 yards in what has felt like a quiet game all night.
8:35He goes on to finish 16 targets, 12 catches, 134 yards.
8:39He was electric in this game. What a good player.
8:42This is what elite wide receiver play looks like.
8:44It looks like Jackson Smith and Jigba. The throw that Sam Donovan made to him where he's got a defender, got his arms on him.
8:52He still lays out and catches it. Great player.
8:55He also has the type of catch technique that people get on draft prospects about, but he pulls it off, man.
9:01He pulls it off every single time because he's so good.
9:04He's so talented. Just an incredible player is Jackson Smith and Jigba as elite as it gets.
9:09There's levels to this thing. You can quantify this as what I try to do.
9:14There's levels to this thing, and JSN is at the elite level.
9:18So what a great player. What a great fantasy draft pick.
9:21And yeah, I think the Broncos actually did do a pretty good job keeping him in check early in the game, but
9:28you can't keep an elite player down the entire game.
9:31That's what it is. That's Jackson Smith and Jigba.
9:33The problem for Seattle is that basically nothing else went right here for them.
9:38Sam Darnold is Nate and I talked about this in the preview.
9:41He's just not seeing it well right now. He's not comfortable.
9:45Both of his picks were egregious. First of all, on the one where he throws to Torrey Horton, I could not believe
9:51Kirk Herbstreit was blaming the receiver on that. Is it the best route in the world?
9:56Maybe not. But I mean, Sam is sitting there staring at it, staring at it, and pitter-pattering his feet, which he was doing all night.
10:04Had happy feet in the pocket all night. Not sure what's going on there.
10:08He's sitting there staring at the route. The route is open.
10:11Throw the ball. Throw the ball. And then, oh, he's got to drift that route.
10:16That's a lazy route. Where is he supposed to go?
10:19Yeah, he's drifting the route because the quarterback's holding on the ball for three seconds.
10:23You've got to get rid of that thing, man.
10:26So I thought that was terrible. And then obviously the pick in overtime is even worse.
10:31I have no idea what he's thinking of throwing that ball.
10:34This is the Sam Darnold that does. He rears his ugly head every now and again.
10:39It hasn't really happened consistently in Seattle. Obviously, you've got to wonder he's coming back from the weird glute injury.
10:45Is that part of this that he's just not comfortable?
10:48But, man, they were really able to rattle him all night long.
10:52I thought that was a really impressive game, as I mentioned earlier, up front for the Denver Broncos here.
10:57Ultimately, 3.69 adjusted yards per attempt in this game for Sam Darnold.
11:01Not a good night. By the way, Bo Nix, 3.96.
11:04He was hit 15 times in this game, was Sam Darnold.
11:07And I really don't know how much. I guess I have to do a deeper dive into some of the protection rules and everything.
11:15I don't really know how much to put on Brian Flory.
11:18I thought Flory had been calling it pretty good early on in the season, especially when Drew Locke was in there.
11:24So I really just don't know how much to put on the Brian Flory of it all.
11:30I know that's like an easy Twitter narrative, and I'm sure we'll see that.
11:34I mean, I already did see some of it.
11:36But to me, good Lord. To me, I just think this is a Sam Darnold thing.
11:41Five sacks in this one. Again, hit 15 times.
11:44The sack yards, he was just 38 yards on his sacks.
11:47Just not good enough, obviously, from a game tonight with Sam Darnold.
11:51That's got to disturb you if you're a Seahawks fan.
11:54I guess it doesn't really matter for Jackson Smith and Jigba because he just is immune to some of the chaos that
12:01Sam Darnold is playing with at this point. He's just so good.
12:04It doesn't really matter. So there is that. The other thing I would say about the Seahawks offense, I think we're reaching
12:11a little bit of an inflection point of we're starting to see that it's just not good when this team doesn't have another guy.
12:18Like Torrey Horton, he had the one catch. He's not really involved that much in the offense.
12:23I actually would like to see more of Torrey Horton.
12:26You guys know from the draft process that I did like Torrey Horton.
12:30But, you know, AJ Barner runs the second most routes on this team, 31 routes, 30 routes for Cooper Cup.
12:36You know, Cup is who he is at this point.
12:39He doesn't get a lot of effective catches down the football field.
12:43That's troubling. You know, Rashid Shahi is going to make a play every now and again.
12:48He leads the team with 107 air yards here.
12:51He was getting the vertical looks down through. He made a great play to get the two-point conversion.
12:56But he's an up-and-down player that's not a consistent starter for this football team.
13:00He was out there for 20 routes, which is, you know, again, 10 fewer than Cooper Cup, 13 fewer than Jackson Smith and Jigba.
13:07If Torrey Horton's just a guy that you can't really get out there for every route, I think they're running into a
13:14little bit of a trouble spot with that, especially because their run game is just not good at this point.
13:20George Alani, shout out, suddenly became the hot hand late in this one, and I certainly didn't see that coming.
13:26That's why they went to him late in the game.
13:29You know, it's not like Emmanuel Wilson was really giving him anything.
13:33He's the ultimate plotter back. You know, big lower body can just hit the holes that are there.
13:38He reads things out pretty well. But when you're a back like that, you're going to be susceptible to other guys kind
13:45of nipping at your heels, including Valus Jones. How about that?
13:48Valus Jones. Valus Jones actually got me like a little juice at one point in this game on his five touches.
13:55Because nobody else is doing much. He carries the ball four times for 20 yards.
13:59And yeah, he gave him a little something. Remember old Valus Jones, a converted wide receiver out of Tennessee, an older process.
14:06He's 29 years old right now. He's been in the league not that long.
14:1029 years old. So, yeah, that's the state of the Seahawks run game.
14:14They desperately need Zach Charbonnet back. Jerry Price, they need him back.
14:18They just don't have a lot of juice right now.
14:21It's the entire thing revolves around Jackson Smith and Jigba.
14:24And they just need some other guys to either be consistently utilized, if you want to say it like that, or they need other players to step up.
14:32Because at this point, I think we're running a little bit out of rope here on this version of the Seattle offense.
14:39Because this is not just a this week thing.
14:42This is what it's felt like really each of the last few weeks, which has been Sam Darnold playing in chaos as Sam Darnold does want to do.
14:50It's also, I think, a lack of a consistent second playmaker here.
14:54So, I see something in the YouTube chat from Anthony.
14:57What are we doing with Charbonnet? I haven't been on IR depth, but is it worth it at this point?
15:03Yeah, I mean, I think it's worth it just to see because there's no question that they need something else in the run game.
15:10It's not going to be Emmanuel Wilson. He's just able to hit the hole if it's there.
15:15That is absolutely it. They got to get better than that.
15:18I don't know if it's going to be Charbonnet coming off an ACL tear, but you might as well do it just to find out here.
15:26So, man, that's insane. What an insane game tonight.
15:29I think that's all we got here. I, man, at least it's a long week until we got to watch the Broncos offense again.
15:36What a tough, what a tough one at this point.
15:39All right, that's going to do it for the Thursday Night Football Nightcap.
15:43Did we learn anything from this one? I don't know.
15:46Maybe we made some friends along the way. Maybe we made some friends along the way.
15:51All right, that's going to do it for this one.
15:54I'll check you guys all out in the next video.
15:57All right, that's going to do it for our Thursday Night Nightcap.
16:01Now, on to Josh Norris and the rest of the Week 6 preview.
16:05Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
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16:21And it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
16:24Week 6 NFL. We got Josh Norris in the house.
16:27Josh, what's going on, buddy? Well, I'm ready to talk about things I'm not qualified for.
16:32Like, you know, medical issues, blood clots, all that type of stuff.
16:36I will say, Matt, I can't tell if the season is going slow or fast.
16:40Like, is it good that Week 6 is already here?
16:43Or is it bad that it's only Week 6 started here?
16:47Do you get what I'm saying? I totally get what you're saying.
16:50I was going to say, you're ready to talk about things you're unqualified for.
16:55Isn't that what we do every day? From our little home offices.
16:58You ready to break down why this offensive lineman's not, you know, getting the push he needs in the run game?
17:05Right? Are you ready to talk about that? We're real qualified to do that.
17:09So, nevertheless. I'm really ready to guess for the 17th time why Colson Loveland isn't getting receptions and targets in his direction.
17:15So. I wrote a piece about that. I might not be qualified to do it, but I wrote a piece about that.
17:22So, we will talk about that. We will have some strong opinions potentially about Colson Loveland and his lack of receptions.
17:28We also will be talking about some things we aren't qualified for.
17:32But we'll also be doing all of our usual things here on the preview show.
17:37We've got Josh's six-pack fantasy questions. We've got my three games that no one cares about.
17:41And Toyota fantasy hotline questions is how we wrap it all up.
17:45But before we get to that, Josh teased it a little bit.
17:49We do have some bad news here in fantasy fall.
17:52Jalen Hurts has been ruled out Sunday due to a superficial blood clot.
17:56The team announced there was a long statement that came from Jalen Hurts.
18:00Obviously, this is a really serious situation. And I'm just wishing Jalen the best.
18:04Number one. Hopefully, everything goes smoothly and well for him.
18:07This is super scary, Josh. And obviously, yes, he will miss this game against the Panthers.
18:12And I mean, potentially much more than this. Yeah.
18:14So in these circumstances, I try to listen to every single video out there from insiders that have maybe more information than I do.
18:22And what Ian Rappaport was reporting on this was quite staggering in that they found this blood clot prior to last week.
18:28He mentioned that he had like calf soreness and apparently blood clots.
18:32That's where it typically starts is calf soreness. And then it works its way up.
18:37Now, the issue is when blood clots then go into different organs or different areas of the body, especially lungs and so on and so forth.
18:44And so in order to prevent this, players go on blood thinners.
18:48But obviously, you cannot play a contact sport where there are multiple car wrecks per game with blood thinners.
18:54So it just depends on how long that that Jalen Hurts is going to remain on blood thinners.
18:59And if this blood clot moves into different areas for how long he's going to be sidelined.
19:04And that's scary. I mean, I really hope everything's OK with Jalen Hurts.
19:08This has been a difficult season for him. It's been a difficult season at large.
19:13And we'll talk about this with the Philadelphia Eagles.
19:16But this is one of the circumstances that we rarely see.
19:19Albeit, there are a couple of recent examples of like Christian Barmore.
19:22And even the opposite side in the Panthers and Taylor Moten, who's just coming back this week after dealing with blood clots,
19:29I think starting in May or June of this past year.
19:32I yeah, I feel like it was June. I think it was around then.
19:37So, I mean, this is the thing that could be present for Jalen for multiple months.
19:42Season ending. I mean, it could be the end of the season.
19:45And, you know, again, the priority here is, of course, Jalen's health and his well-being and his future and all of that.
19:52It just is going to hang this dark cloud over a season in Philadelphia that it feels like is over.
19:58It's October 15th. It's week six. And it just feels like it's been one disaster after another for the Eagles.
20:04And obviously, again, this situation is is completely different.
20:07But you do get this with teams sometimes, Josh, where they come in with a certain goal, a certain level of promise.
20:13And it's just very apparent very early that it's not going to go that way.
20:18This is an extreme turn. But I would I mean, I guess I could argue that their Hall of Fame right tackle
20:24deciding three games into the season that it was in his best interest to retire from the game of football is also a pretty big, severe left turn.
20:33So I feel like we've gotten multiple of these for the Philadelphia Eagles so far.
20:37I tried to list out everything that's happened to this team before the start of week six, and I'm not even sure if I covered it all.
20:46And this is just an offense. The Lane Johnson retirement, Landon Dickerson went to injury reserve for a period of time, and
20:52now he's back, but he might not be starting on the team.
20:56Cam Juergens was traded their starting center and then left guard.
20:59The Jalen Hurts blood clots, as we just talked about.
21:02Saquon Barkley has missed a full game and then three quarters and two other games.
21:07He's going to miss this week as well. Devontae Smith missed last week, and he's missing practice right now and is probably out of week six.
21:15Dallas Goddard missed two games. And then Matt, their backup center in Drew Kendall, is going to miss at least one game
21:21as he did last week and maybe even this one, too.
21:25So, like, look, windows to win, as you know, covering the league for so long are real.
21:30And the Eagles won a lot in this window.
21:33And this window seems like it's over. You know, they tried to bring everyone back and it just isn't working out right now.
21:39And when that's the case, someone like Howie Roseman isn't going to do this in small steps.
21:45He's going to, like, hit the reset button over multiple off seasons.
21:48And I think by the end of the 2028 offseason, we'll see, like, a totally new roster here.
21:54I'll be at, you know, maybe three or four locked in roster spots of guys already on the team right now.
22:00So, yeah, none of us could have predicted this level of this slipping away from a franchise that has been one of
22:07the steadiest over the last, you know, 10 years plus.
22:10But here we are. And it's not even week six.
22:13Hasn't even kicked off yet. I think everything you said there is true.
22:17The only two things I would add to that long list of, you know, kind of miserable things happening to this offense.
22:23You could also say, hey, their first round pick of Makai Lemon basically barely practiced this offseason.
22:28Their second round pick in Eli Stowers is just was a complete non-factor in the offseason and is probably going to be a complete non-factor this season.
22:37So those are obviously much more minor issues. But it's just where we've gotten to this point now.
22:42Again, we're looking at the depth chart here if you're watching with us along on YouTube.
22:47And if you are, shout out to you. Subscribe to the channel.
22:51We've got Markel Bell. You know, we've got Willie Lampkin.
22:54We've got Darius Cooper. Damian Pierce. Carson Steele. I mean, this is not what we bargained for with the Philadelphia Eagles offense.
23:00So, yeah, we'll see how it goes. I didn't even mention.
23:04And obviously. Tank Bigsby and Will Shipley on there.
23:06Yeah. Like when we're ahead of week six and Damian Pierce and Carson Steele are listed in the backfield with Tanner McKee.
23:13You know, something has gone wrong. Like the Panthers this weekend are facing the Philadelphia Eagles backups.
23:18That's what's happening. And we're not even, you know, done with a third of the season yet left.
23:23So, like it's crazy what's happening to this Philadelphia Eagles team.
23:27Yeah. It's a preseason roster is what we're looking at right now on the screen for the Philadelphia Eagles.
23:33So, you mentioned the Panthers. That's a good transition from a tough subject to our usual proceedings here on the preview show.
23:39Let's get into Josh's six pack of questions. All right, Josh.
23:43Question number one. We're staying in that game. We're going to the other side of the field here.
23:48Carolina coming off its bye. Yep. The Panthers have the second most fantasy.
23:52I'll call it fruitful offense in the NFL through five weeks.
23:55But are projected for only 21 points against the Eagles this week.
23:59So, Matt, should we trust their pieces less? Or is the market wrong?
24:03Now, when I wrote this question, you know, the Panthers were one-and-a-half point underdogs.
24:07And now they're three-and-a-half point favorites. So, maybe that changes some things here based on the injury news.
24:12But the Panthers do have the quarterback three in Bryce Young.
24:16They're running back six in Chuba Hubbard. And the wide receiver 10-and-11 in Ted Romic Millen and Jalen Coker.
24:22So, Matt, the markets think that this offense will either slog it out or struggle against Vic Fangio's defense.
24:27What do you think? I think maybe a little bit of a slog is in order here.
24:32This defense does feel like it's kind of starting to come back around a little bit in Philadelphia.
24:38I think they played a pretty good game. They gave up two, obviously, massive plays to Parker Washington against Jacksonville on the
24:45other side of the pond there last week. But what are you going to do about that?
24:50I mean, even the one long 50-plus yard touchdown or the long touchdown catch, the one-handed one for Parker Washington.
24:56That was a play where Josh Cameron runs Quinion Mitchell on the sacrificial route.
25:00And then Parker Washington runs the go route off motion.
25:03And, I mean, he's well covered. It's just a great throw from Trevor.
25:07It's a great catch from Parker Washington. There's really no defense for that.
25:11But otherwise, I felt like that was a pretty clean game from them.
25:15I think the front played really well against the run, got after it there.
25:19So I think that it's probably going to be a bit of a slog here.
25:24But I still generally do want to trust the Panthers' offense.
25:27And I could see them clearing 21 points, but it might feel like a little bit of a slog.
25:33For the Eagles defense, it's all about if they create pressure or not.
25:37This is from the Great Ritchie Bar. When the Eagles have gotten pressure, they've allowed a 34% completion rate, which is second best in the NFL.
25:444.6 yards per attempt without a touchdown pass allowed.
25:47Without pressure, they're 20th in the league at completion rate at 73%.
25:51And then 24th in yards per attempt. So I feel like in previous years with Dave Canales calling plays, they might focus
25:57in, hey, all you have to do is play really good defense and run the football.
26:02And, you know, we can win in a one-score game here.
26:06But with Brad Isik calling plays this year, and that's been the conversation this summer and through the first five weeks, I want the Panthers to be aggressive.
26:14Immediately. And I understand that could be pretty difficult against Vic Fangio and Quinion Mitchell and Tariq Woolen and Zach Bond and all these pieces.
26:22But I don't want them to just like go in their shell a little bit and just, you know, try to get
26:28first downs and success rate and grind this thing out.
26:31The reason it feels different this year is because they've attacked every single blade of grass under center, empty, different formations, different personnel groupings.
26:39And I put the pedal to the floor in the first quarter.
26:42And so it sounds like Taylor Moten is going to come back in here at right tackle for Monroe Freeling.
26:48And that could elite and Damian Lewis getting back at left guard.
26:52And so if they can protect Bryce and they haven't done a great job of doing that so far this season, I
26:59would say the Panthers easily top that 21 point total that's projected for them here.
27:03Yeah, we know this team is super concentrated in the first two weeks when we had these receivers healthy.
27:09They were the one, two, three, four, five, six most target concentrated offense between their top two guys.
27:14So very much like any of the top duos in the NFL that you think of there, that was going to Jalen Coker.
27:21It was going to Tedrow McMillan. Getting Coker back obviously is huge.
27:25They could they could slice and dice the Lions with just Tedrow McMillan moving around and all of that.
27:31But I do think this is a nice spot for Coker as well, who I expect to come back and run the most routes out of the slot.
27:39Zane is pointing out here. Philadelphia allows a 22 percent target per route slot receiver second most and is definitely better against the outside receivers.
27:47We know the teams pretty much just try to avoid Quinion Mitchell on that left side.
27:51Like I mentioned, Josh Cameron running the sacrificial route over there last week.
27:55And then Parker Washington gets the big play as the movement guy.
27:59I think we'll probably see some of that here.
28:02And that's where you kind of want to get this team.
28:05Even going back to the Bears game in week three, that was where they tried to attack this team over the middle of the field.
28:13Get yourself against the linebackers. Get your matchups against the safeties.
28:16So I think it's good to get Coker back in here.
28:19Of course, as we know, he's a really good player.
28:22So, yeah, I mean, it's crazy, Josh. I do feel pretty confident about this Panthers team coming off by and actually wonder
28:29if they'll make any sort of tweaks and changes here.
28:32But Matt, you know, just when confidence hits, it comes crashing down with a performance for the Panthers, you know, like just
28:39just when they're favorites in a contest. What their most recent one against the Atlanta Falcons is the last one they've had as favorites.
28:46I think their last dozen. That's that's pretty tough.
28:49I will add. Any quarterback is worse against pressure.
28:51Bryce Young has actually been excellent against pressure this season.
28:54He ranks about 15th in a bunch of these categories and then top 10 when when not pressured.
29:00Luke Fortner is the name I want to mention here.
29:03He's the new center for the team this year, and he kind of gets pushed back way too often.
29:09And we know that, you know, the Eagles have a Jomo.
29:12They have, you know, Jordan Davis. They have a bunch of names.
29:16Jalen Carter. I could go on and on and on.
29:19Yeah. Jalen Carter. Interior galore. So that's something that they need to be wary of.
29:23I'm sure they are. But with how they started, I do wonder if just the markets are not giving the Panthers enough
29:30love based on how good this offense has been from weeks one through through week four.
29:35There's always a team that it takes a little bit for the markets to catch up.
29:39It takes like general consensus a little bit longer to catch up.
29:43And a team that took people by surprise in the first four weeks and has a buy in week five is definitely a good candidate for that.
29:51So this will be a good proving ground game for the Carolina Panthers.
29:55Okay, let's get to your second question here of week six.
29:58Yeah. I mean, we talked about it a hundred times in a hundred different shows, but can you the general people out there start Marvin Harrison Jr.
30:07In his debut with the Houston Texans. Greg Cosell used this amazing term when talking about Marv's time in Arizona.
30:13I know exactly what you're going to say. He called it uninspired, which is just perfect.
30:18You know, that has a negative connotation to it and it should, but it's not crushing him.
30:23It's not calling him bad. It's just uninspired. And that's perfect.
30:26He was a half step too slow. He was not consistent in tight window targets.
30:31He had some stupid mental drops. He didn't break tackles after the catch and he may never do that.
30:36And then I pointed out, you know, a bunch of poor blocking effort moments that he had starting this year.
30:42So Hayden getting, oh, I just called you Hayden.
30:45So Matt getting back to, hey, we're one-to-one now.
30:48You're guilty of it too. You're guilty of it too.
30:51So getting back with his college quarterback, would that make Marvin Harrison Jr.
30:55look inspired here in week six? There's something funny about we're talking about, oh yeah, you're getting back with this comfortable person and you call me Hayden.
31:03There's some like synergy there. But no, this is also hilarious, Josh, because you and I are completely on the same page of this.
31:10I just recorded Football 301 with Nate and I brought up the Greg Cosell quote.
31:15So we are literally reading off the same sheet of music here because I thought that was perfect.
31:20One, because I loved the point that Greg made leading into it is that I never want to try to get into someone's head.
31:27And I tried not to do that too. Obviously, the social media armchair psychologists have been diagnosing Marvin Harrison's routes for the
31:34last like three years or whatever, trying to read this, that, and the other into it.
31:39Okay, that's fine. But I just love that the reality of it is uninspired.
31:43There's no question. And this year, there's probably like hints of it the first couple of years.
31:48This year, it's been pretty much cranked up to 11.
31:51I think we can all now at this point that he's no longer on the football team.
31:56And I think he was pretty classy about how he handled it when asked.
32:01He's like, you know, I'm just going to leave that behind.
32:04I think that, you know, just not speak on that.
32:07Obviously, we know that there was a lot going on there.
32:10And let's just put it that way. So, I mean, Josh, as a clip guy yourself, what have you thought about the
32:17clips so far out of Marvin Harrison as a Houston Texan and some of the practice reps?
32:22Yeah. I mean, the practice reps from training camp with the Cardinals were horrific.
32:26Again, talk about the mental drops and, you know, jogging and all that stuff.
32:31And now it's kind of he might be moving a half speed faster.
32:34He's firing off that ball. I still would move on from the black cleats here, Marv.
32:39Like, I think those aesthetically slow you down. But that's just my two cents on this game, Matt, against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
32:46We talk all the time and you have as well in stats for this film that the Texans should just become a
32:53pass first oriented team and lean into it even more so than they have.
32:57You have to do that against the Jaguars. I think the leading rusher against them has gone for less than 40 yards so far in every single game.
33:05And here's a great stat from Reeves. Jacksonville is one of two teams, the other being Green Bay, to score first in every single game this season.
33:14So that's probably going to happen again here. And if that happens, then you're working from behind and you're throwing the football.
33:20So I'm low key excited to see what will happen here.
33:23But it's not like this Jaguars defense is untalented.
33:26It's very talented and they're extremely talented at one of the cornerback positions.
33:30That's for sure. Honestly, I think Anthony Campanile is emerging as one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL to just straight up.
33:37I mean, if you look at their weekly game plans, they're very, very different.
33:42You know, this is typically the sign of a good defensive coaches.
33:45We don't just come out here and run our system.
33:48Houston kind of does that right. And they have the talent to get away with it.
33:53But Jacksonville, I think, is very talented and yet they kind of run a lot of coverage this week one way and
34:00then they kind of flip it around. The only thing they do consistently is they're one of the highest like press rate teams in the NFL.
34:08They will come out and put their cornerbacks on the line of scrimmage and get physical with receivers.
34:13This is a big and talented group of receivers now in Houston with Marvin Harrison there.
34:18I think the answer to your question is probably no.
34:21I don't think that I would feel confident in starting Marvin Harrison Jr.
34:25in the first game as a Houston Texan. I mean, he might come out here and run 50% of the routes and
34:32that's obviously just not going to be good enough.
34:34And 50% might be overshooting. It might take a couple weeks until he's a full-time player.
34:39Even if he knows the quarterback, he doesn't necessarily know the offense.
34:43And it is kind of a complicated offense. But nevertheless, again, I think Nico Collins can get out there and beat press coverage.
34:50I think Jalen Knoll can get out there and beat press coverage as a slot receiver.
34:55He's been smoking man coverage the last two weeks here on tape.
34:58So this all kind of comes back to even if Marv is a part-time player, okay, then Xavier Hutchinson is a part-time player.
35:05Keyshawn Booty, part-time player. That's what those guys should be.
35:08They should be part-time players. So I think it's going to be a fascinating kind of cat and mouse game with this
35:15Texans offense versus the Jacksonville Jaguars secondary because they can mix coverages so much.
35:19But they'll do a lot of things where they show single high pre-snap, rotate to too high post-snap, and that's going to
35:26leave those voids in the middle of the field.
35:28And CJ Stroud is one of the best middle-of-the-field passers in the NFL.
35:32And we've talked a lot about what do we expect Nico Collins' role to be and Marv's role to be when they
35:39are full-time players, the latter in this offense eventually.
35:42But specifically for this matchup, Nico has gone over 100 yards receiving in five of his last six games against Jacksonville, including each of the last four.
35:50So he kind of has their number here a little bit.
35:53And sure, you know, there's some different pieces on the defense and Campanile hasn't always coached in the last six games for this defense as well.
36:01So yeah, I'm excited to see what happens. And I would use this week despite, I mean, truly horrific.
36:07If you have anything after like the running back 17 or I don't know, the wide receiver 25 this week is Jalen Waddle, according to consensus rankings.
36:15Like, you know, people are looking for scraps at the flex spot, Matt.
36:19So that's why I wanted to bring up Marv's name specifically, even if it's a difficult matchup just because of the capital
36:26they gave up and the comfort he has with the quarterback.
36:29Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a chance that he comes out and has a great game.
36:34Just because of the familiarity with CJ Stroud, I think that really does matter.
36:38And honestly, Josh, I think that really matters in just the prognosis of this trade going forward.
36:43Um, I don't know that I would be like, I'm very excited and very open to a Marv revival, which I might've
36:50been regardless, but I'm much more open to it with this particular situation here in Houston.
36:55Completely agree. Uh, I, I hope I get to eat my words about Marvin Harrison Jr.
36:59Now those words were extremely correct over the last three years.
37:03Uh, but if he goes and does well here and we watch the tape and we see this role and him looking
37:09good, then I am readily, readily able to say, Oh, this situation is so much better than last.
37:15And now he can play, he can play at a high level.
37:18So I hope that happens here for sure. It's an Island game too.
37:22Cause it's the standalone, uh, Sunday morning game, you know, over there in, in London.
37:27So people will be definitely, uh, ready to fire off their take cannons.
37:31My only prediction is that this will be the first film I turn on Monday morning is the Marvin Harrison Jr.
37:37Film, uh, to chart that one, cause if he's, you know, not a full-time player, it'll be pretty quick.
37:43Get through that really, uh, breezy on a Monday morning, but either way, I'm very fascinated to see how it turns out.
37:50Any thoughts on Jacksonville in this game and just going against the, uh, the Texans defense.
37:54It's interesting. Um, I mean, I think the one name to talk about with Jacksonville is Basial Tootin, uh, cause Basial Tootin
38:01has been awesome this season and yet his fancy stats have not been awesome.
38:05And so look, your favorite fancy analysts, including us are just going to call him a buy low for, you know, as long as possible.
38:13He's handled 76 and 89% of the backfield touches over the last two weeks, but you know, his longest runs have been called back.
38:20They aren't running the ball well inside the 10 yard line.
38:23And that's underselling that they've been horrific inside the 10 yard line outside of like the one wildcat touchdown that he had a couple of weeks ago.
38:32And I also want to add that Anton Harrison is now missing.
38:35He moved over from right tackle to left tackle.
38:38And I think their best offensive lineman so far, Walker Little's coming in and Matt, this is not the game that you
38:45want your backup left tackle to come in against, uh, Will Anderson and Danell Hunter.
38:49No, it is not. And getting Aziz Alshay your back last week, it was the Titans obviously, but, uh, that definitely helps
38:56settle down some of those linebackers and coverage and the issues they'd had up the spine so far.
39:01Okay. Let's get to your third question here. Speaking about another player coming back from injury.
39:06I saw Caleb Williams. He's back. Uh, the bears are projected for 26 points this week.
39:11Very nice on the road as favorites against the Atlanta Falcons.
39:14So Matt, I have to ask this question for the sixth straight week.
39:18Do you cross your fingers and start all your bears pieces?
39:22All might be tough. And I know you've again, talked about these guys cause we have to, cause it's a fancy show on each episode.
39:29Um, maybe rank them. Okay. We know we're starting DeAndre Swift, but what about that with burden?
39:34Oh, duns a Loveland and heck. You don't have to throw in clean frame a note in there.
39:40So, so rank those next four. Yeah. So I just wrote about a 2,500 word piece on this exact situation that went live yesterday.
39:47So, uh, we are reading again in 2026. So go check out the article if you want kind of the full thoughts.
39:54Um, I'll, I'll rank at the end. So let me, okay.
39:57Think about this in my, I think about this in my head.
40:01Uh, the, the guy that I actually, um, I was talking with our boss, Jason Klobacca about this after I filed the
40:07piece that I planned on the shortest section being the Colson Loveland one because I was like, Oh, well bad luck, you
40:14know, whatever, just kind of hand waving it away.
40:17Um, but then as I dove into it, the more and more interesting things I found on the Colson Loveland situation, particularly.
40:23And I know, again, I noted this in the article, you guys can go check this out.
40:28He has been blocking. He's been used as a pass blocker way more than I thought.
40:33Now I've seen bears fans get angry at this like chart that I threw in there about, uh, not angry at me,
40:40but angry at the original poster about Colson Loveland, uh, run blocking and how often he's been run blocking.
40:46And they're like, Oh, look at Ben Johnson. He's ruining Colson Loveland.
40:49Why is he being used like Brock Barrett? I'm like, well, number one, two completely different players.
40:54Um, also Loveland rocks as a run blocker and, uh, they run the ball a lot.
40:59Of course he's blocking a lot. However, that's not the interesting part about this.
41:03The interesting part of it is he has stayed into pass block on 13% of his snaps so far.
41:09This year, which during that overall is his rookie season.
41:12It was 5.8% from week 16 to the divisional round.
41:15It was 3.9%. That's the spot I point at Josh that that's where he was just like truly dominant.
41:21And it's because of that stretch that everybody drafted him in the top 40 and he's let everybody down, uh, so far.
41:28The other interesting difference between this year and last year is that in that stretch of games, again, he was used out
41:34wide a ton average 3.08 yards per route run when he was lined up outside in that five game stretch.
41:40So far this year, he has three catches on six targets for 25 yards lined up out wide.
41:46And all three of the catches came in the win over the New York jets.
41:50So Loveland, I think is the trickiest one here.
41:53I'm actually pretty confident starting both burden and a dunze probably narrowly in that order because of how bad the Falcons are against outside receiver production.
42:01They look at the third most yards to receivers line up out wide.
42:05I would say Loveland is third there because he's just the trickiest one to figure out.
42:10Is he past blocking so much because they're starting?
42:12Well, one, they were rotating Braxton Jones and Theo Bennett at left tackle.
42:16And now it's just Theo Bennett because they're waiting for Ozzy Trapilo to come back.
42:21Is he blocking so much? And it was some of these like full slide protections and everything because of that.
42:27Yeah. And it probably, and is that going to change just because Caleb Williams back?
42:31Probably not. So I think he's the trickiest one to figure out here.
42:35Yeah, there's a million different Loveland stats that we can bring up that just makes your skin crawl.
42:41If you drafted him where he was going, uh, here's one Jacob Gibbs actually pointed it out and then Davis Matic reiterated.
42:47And that's how I found it. No running back wide receiver or tight end.
42:52Matt has played more snaps in the NFL this season than Colson Loveland.
42:56Isn't that crazy? He has the most snaps of any tight end running back or wide receiver in the NFL so far.
43:02And look what we have to show for it.
43:05Absolutely. A lot of blocking. And it's like you said, yeah, he's only running around on like 75% of dropbacks.
43:11And then the other thing that doesn't make a lot of sense is when the bears went into 13 personnel last year,
43:18which I feel like anecdotally they're doing even more this year because they're adding Sam Rauch and Cole Komet still out there too.
43:25Loveland last year had a 4.66 yards per route run and a 53% receiving yards market share last season.
43:30But unfortunately, when they get into 13 this year, Ben Johnson has wanted to get, you know, Sam Rauch's screen or manufactured
43:37touch or two each and every game. And then Cole Komet has a couple of explosives out of that.
43:43So I don't know. The season is very long.
43:46We have seen other instances in previous years where five games are slow.
43:49That's a bad pocket of the season. And then 11 or 12 are very, very good.
43:54But I'll, you know, kick the can just one more week.
43:58If it doesn't happen this week for Colson Loveland with this high of a point total with Caleb Williams, you know, really
44:04starting his second real game because we didn't know week two was in a monsoon, then I'll have like declared it's not going to happen for Colson Loveland.
44:13But I am slightly dimming the light a little bit up, maybe more than other people are for Colson Loveland this week.
44:19Yeah. Plays of two or fewer receivers on the field so far this year, 49% seventh most for the Chicago Bears.
44:26Last year, they were higher from a league wide ranking perspective.
44:29They were fourth highest, but it was 42%. So the entire league is using more of these heavy personnel groupings this year.
44:36So I know a good bit of that is, is 13 personnel for sure for this Bears team.
44:41Yeah. Just, I think the thing that is tough with all of this is just that you mentioned the name Kalief Raymond.
44:48No one projected Kalief Raymond through for the first five weeks to have a 16.7% target share and 14.5% air yard share,
44:54both of which rank third on the team and best Colson Loveland.
44:58That part is the trickiest one. Now, I think if you're because in one sense, Josh, the Raymond plays in weeks one
45:05to three were really good and really useful. I think they've been pretty unuseful these last couple of games here.
45:11Six targets, 12 total yards to show for it.
45:14His raw participation has also dipped the last couple of weeks.
45:17So that's one of those things where in December, Colson Loveland might be catching a bunch of passes.
45:22All these guys might be catching a bunch of passes and we're all like, remember when Kalief Raymond was a thing?
45:29And now, and then he's just kind of settled into being a nice role player.
45:33But I mean, the target share and the area yard share absolutely has to come down or it is not going to
45:40happen to the ceiling outcome for any of these guys.
45:43I'll do one more. This might be why Colson Loveland hasn't produced this year.
45:47Okay. And it does go back to we only have two games of Caleb Williams and week one was against the Panthers.
45:54And remember that one, so much of that success was second, third phase plays like truly out of structure, like buying time
46:00because the first stuff, the initial reads were taken away.
46:03And they scored a ton of points on that.
46:06And a lot of that like was what two rushing scores and long ones by Caleb Williams.
46:11And then in week two, again, in bad weather, we know Brian Flores, his defense forces players into protection that we don't typically have in protection.
46:19And they play a bunch of zone behind these rushers.
46:22And so that opened this, you know, middle of the field area for someone.
46:26But that someone was Kalief Raymond much more than Colson Loveland.
46:30And then I think we can not like shoo-shoo away the Tyson Bajan and Case Keenum games because someone scored points.
46:36And, you know, we were a yard away, an inch away for Colson Loveland having a touchdown.
46:41But I just think that Ben Johnson has a different starting of an offense in mind with Caleb Williams, ones that he
46:48believes that can set the NFL record for points per game, points in a season.
46:52And we finally get that back in our lives in week six.
46:56So there's a slight reset, I think, here versus what we've seen in the last three weeks.
47:01Yeah, there's no question about that. I mean, explosive play-wise, they've completely fallen off.
47:05They were sixth best in week one. And some of that obviously was on the ground, but a good chunk of it was through the air too.
47:14And they've fallen way down from an explosive play perspective.
47:17Weeks three to five, they've been 28th in explosive play rate.
47:20We know that's not what Ben Johnson wants to be.
47:23He wants to push the football down the field.
47:26I would say the last thing on Loveland too is just, and I'm curious if you feel the same way.
47:32I would say eye test-wise, particularly looking at, you know, just the clips of where he's been that out-wide mismatch player.
47:38It's just not as great as it was last year.
47:41Not as great as it was last year, which is, it's a five-game sample.
47:45I really, as a good, as what I believe is a good young player, I'm not going to use that to damn the guy either.
47:53So it's just, that would, I just, I think that's more of explanatory why it has happened, not projecting forward, if that makes sense.
48:00It does. Okay. I think we've said everything about the Bears.
48:04I'm still on Luther Burden and, you know, if this team is going to score as many points as their head coach,
48:10who's really freaking good at his job, thinks they are.
48:13Then, you know, someone other than the running backs are going to be fantastic in the passing game.
48:19So we'll see who that is. Getting, getting Caleb Williams back is going to be much better.
48:24But anyways, go to question number four. Here is number four.
48:27Both Ashton Gentry and Jeremiah Love are hurt. Okay.
48:30They were both drafted in the top 12 of running backs as well.
48:34Gentry is likely to play through it. I just saw on my feed that Jeremiah Love is missing his second straight practice.
48:40So keep that in mind here. So Matt, what does this mean for our fantasy lineups?
48:45Obviously, if Jeremiah Love missed the game, he's going to be out.
48:49But this is an interesting one. And we don't have to take it in the tangent of a philosophical question because I
48:56know you just got out of football 301 with a lot of tangents attached to it.
49:00But does this kind of go back to, hey, don't draft guys with injuries in the preseason?
49:05Because I think there's an easy case to be made that both of these players, either by their performance and or coaches
49:12looking out for them, they've been hindered by these preseason high-ankled injuries.
49:16And it's getting to a point where it's truly impacting our fantasy lineups.
49:20It's such a great point. There's one league that I have, and it's one of our, not our experts league, but it's
49:26one of our internal Yahoo leagues where I'm like, you know, let's mess around a little bit.
49:32I'm going to take both Ashton Gentry and Jeremiah Love.
49:35I'm going to take the discount after taking Jamar Chase at the third overall pick.
49:39It's like, wow, then I could potentially get two RB1s.
49:42Not a fun team so far, by the way.
49:45It's mostly Justin Herbert's fault, but I'm also going to blame these two running backs as well.
49:50Now, Gentry's been fine at times. Love, not as much.
49:53But it just every week feels like it degrades a little bit more for Ashton Gentry.
49:58I just want them to give him two weeks off.
50:01They don't have a bye until week 13. He's refusing.
50:04Of course he's refusing. Of course he's refusing. But, I mean, for God's sakes, I know they've just, again, we're showing this on the screen here.
50:12They've discussed this internally. He doesn't want to take the week off, wants to push.
50:16But, I mean, my God, at some point, I do think we're going to get to a situation where, like, it looks bad for Gentry.
50:24Is he, I don't want to say hurting the team, but, I mean, is he hurting his own reputation, resume?
50:30I mean, it just doesn't look great for Gentry right now.
50:33I think it would be good for him to get a beat here.
50:37But the problem is, this week against the Bills, the Raiders, I think, are actually in a great spot to put up a bunch of points.
50:45So, I think they can maybe look at that.
50:48I know Boone was talking about it yesterday as a potential trap game for his Bills.
50:53I think the Raiders are going to agree with a team that's been on the West Coast now for two weeks, you
50:59know, out of their routine, the whole deal. And think about, like, hey, we could win this game.
51:05Why not us? Yeah, I don't want your beautiful and handsome listeners to think I'm advocating for sitting Ashton Gentry here in week six.
51:12I'm doing quite the contrary. Like, they're projected for 24 points, and yes, they're five and a half point underdogs.
51:18But if Ashton Gentry is pushing to play and Clint Kubiak understands that he is hurting, then even if he, I think
51:25he went through practice today and said it's the best he's felt in a while, blah, blah, blah.
51:30Some snaps have to come away. It's either, like, the between the 20s rushing stuff or it's some of the passing down stuff.
51:37And, Matt, I really don't want it to be the passing down stuff because that's actually been where Ashton Gentry over the
51:44last four weeks has gotten it done. You know, he's been the running back 20 over the last four weeks in points
51:50per game, which is not very good. But he's still running back four in target share.
51:55He's third among all backs in receiving yards. He has at least 37 yards through the air in four or five games so far this season.
52:03But again, Clint Kubiak's comments make me think that at some point a chunk of his snaps might be taken away.
52:09And I am a bit nervous that that might be in the passing department, especially when you go back and look at some of his pass protection.
52:18Just not good enough. And that's where, you know, Dylan Lowby is getting snaps over Mike Washington as well.
52:23Yeah, even any hopes of like Mike Washington having a couple moments here seems like that's not going to happen because you have the Dylan Lowby factor.
52:31So I agree with you. I'm much more nervous about Jeremiah Love, though.
52:35100%. Okay, explain why you're a little more nervous about him.
52:39Well, one, obviously he might not play this week, but let's say he does play.
52:43This goes back to more comments and, you know, his note of saying this is going to be the longest year of my life.
52:50Some people laughed at it. Other people took it too seriously.
52:54I am taking it as he understands that there's a long view to his career and that the Cardinals are taking a long view to his career.
53:02And we saw it this past week where the Arizona Cardinals got into their typical script of, hey, we're not going to score points in the first half.
53:10And then we get into the second half and we save your fancy rosters.
53:15But guess who wasn't on the field when they were down by multiple touchdowns in the second half?
53:20It was Jeremiah Love. The guy only has 36 receiving yards this season.
53:2436. In a losing team, in a bad environment, for a guy that's very good at catching the football, that was the process of the pick, right?
53:32For not just the NFL, but for us in fantasy was, oh, when they're losing, he's just going to be out there and catch a bunch of passes.
53:41But if Mike LaFleur and company are taking the long view with him based on this injury and just because he's a
53:47young running back on a bad team and he doesn't play in those second halves and this week they are 12 and a half point underdogs again.
53:56Aren't we just in an exact same similar spot as we were last week?
54:00And he might not play the entire fourth quarter and half the third quarter.
54:04Yes. I'd galaxy brain this one step further to Josh because there was so much heat and eyeballs on the Marvin Harrison Jr.
54:11thing and about how like every, every, after every game, after every moment, even when they win against the Chargers in week one, now it looks like nothing.
54:19But at that moment, it's like, oh, this is one of the biggest upsets of the entire NFL season.
54:25Mike LaFleur and the entire coaching staff is peppered with questions about, well, why didn't Marvin get that?
54:31Why didn't, which is, I think, probably a big reason they're happy to, that this, this divorce happened.
54:36No, no need to stay together for the kids on this one.
54:40I mean, this is going to now happen with Jeremiah Love because it was already kind of starting to happen.
54:46Why didn't this guy play? You're just going to get all these questions and things of that nature.
54:51And now there's starting to become a narrative about, well, this is just what happens when you go to the Cardinals.
54:58I mean, I think Keyshawn Johnson said it. Others have echoed it.
55:01You just go to the Cardinals and your career just dies if you're this superstar player.
55:06So there's going to be this extra attention on it, extra magnification of it, which I think will lead to only more
55:13pressure for him to maybe, again, take a couple weeks off or something like that, which might be good in the long run.
55:20But yeah, this long view thing with Jeremiah Love, I can kind of understand their point on it because, yeah, you should
55:26probably think about what is he going to be like in 2027 and 2028 and beyond.
55:31Right. Right. It's just strange to take a running back third overall and we're in this spot.
55:36It's weird team building. I hear you. I also think, you know, a high ankle sprain when they gave him, what, 14
55:43touches and a half plays a part in this too.
55:46Now, we did get a game. We did get a game.
55:49Sorry. I saw Scott made this point on Twitter.
55:52He's like, the time they had the most intentional usage for Jeremiah Love was that preseason game.
55:57I mean, right now, I don't totally agree with that.
56:00What week four, week three, he had 26 touches.
56:03So I was all in. I thought like this was the brief hall of occasion of Michael floor in with the jets.
56:09And now he's doing it with Jeremiah Love. But ever since then, he's been like the running back 43 and 45.
56:16And look, great people out there. Dwayne McFarlane keeps saying, hey, no one cares that the Arizona Cardinals have now made Jeremiah Love the focal point.
56:24My point is they haven't like they do when they're in games in the first half.
56:29He got 10 of 11 carries. But the whole theory of the of the play for the Cardinals and picking their guys is four quarters of action.
56:37And when you look at their schedule, it's brutal.
56:39OK, they have the Rams this week, 12 and a half point underdogs, just like they were last week.
56:45Then it's the Broncos. They're going to be underdogs.
56:48The Cowboys, probably another 10 plus point underdogs. The Seahawks, another 12 point underdogs.
56:52The Rams again, another 12 point underdogs in the Kansas City Chiefs, another 12 point underdogs.
56:57So I can't tell you how many fourth quarters Jeremiah Love is going to play for like the next six games.
57:03And you can't just have that as a fancy football asset.
57:07You can't do it. You really can't. Oh, that's depressing.
57:10OK, let's get to question number five here heading into week six.
57:13All right. I will make this two thirds of a positive question.
57:17OK, can we? Can we get a rookie wide receiver check in from you, Matt?
57:21Yeah. Three names I'm bringing to the table. Denzel Boston.
57:24Carnell Tate. And Jeremy Bernard. Obviously, Denzel Boston has been the most consistent piece here, despite the surroundings that he has been in.
57:31You know, Carnell Tate goes out there and gets 14 targets and then, you know, catches one of five targets for six yards this past week.
57:39And then Jeremy Bernard is kind of the new guy on the block.
57:43A starter now. Uh, a starter now. Uh, getting two or, you know, there's one against the Jets where he like throws
57:50it behind his back hip and whatever. But, um, what it looks like for Denzel Boston is it looks like one of
57:57the best X receivers in the league. Um, again, on football 301, Nate and I, in a true fixation bros, these two should never podcast with each other.
58:05Uh, he asked the producer, but do it multiple times every week.
58:09Um, and, and I, I live for nothing more, by the way.
58:12Uh, at one point he had the producers bring up, uh, Denzel Boston's next gen route chart.
58:17Um, and you just see the entire middle of the field is completely void.
58:22And I was like, yes. Okay. And then I called to bring it back up.
58:26I'm like, okay, like now this is going to be a 25 minute tangent.
58:30It's like, this is where Deshaun's just like, not, this is, this is the not seeing a chart.
58:36Cause he just completely not seeing the middle of the field, which my point in saying that is that Deshaun will probably play most of the season.
58:44I saw Shador hired an agent. Maybe he's going to get traded.
58:48I don't know. Very Mark. Like of him. Yeah.
58:50Very Marv. Like of him. I wonder what the connective tissue is there.
58:54Anyways. Um, the point of making here is that there's more meat on the bone for Denzel Boston, which is scary to think.
59:01Cause he's been that good. Cause I think he's great on these big in cuts, big routes, posts dagger, the whole deal.
59:08So there's a lot that they can do more with him.
59:11He's great. Um, I think he's pretty much an every week fantasy starter.
59:15Dwayne did make a really good case that he is a sell high.
59:19My heart just can't hear it. Maybe my head recognizes that it's true, but my heart just can't really buy it on Carnell Tate though.
59:27I think Carnell Tate has been excellent. I actually think it's a pretty close call on tape as to who's better between those two guys.
59:34I'm curious if you have a strong take on that tape.
59:38I think his left plays on the field with drops and some maybe just weird tracking moments.
59:43He also had a quote. I don't know if you saw this, that he said, I never lose this much in my life.
59:50Um, welcome to the Titans. Well, uh, well it's only week six.
59:53Get used to it. Um, I actually think he's in line for a really big week.
59:58Carnell Tate, but we can come back to that.
60:01I'm curious. What do you think about these two guys in comparison of each other?
60:05Boston Tate. Yeah. Just, just quickly and Denzel Boston, like you said, there's more meat left on the bone.
60:11I mean, he hasn't had a game of more than seven targets yet.
60:15Like we should in a different season, you know, with a different quarterback, this guy's going to get eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 target games, you know?
60:23And that's going to be sweet when it happens because he's winning just like he did in college.
60:29And it's so perfect when that happens, especially his style, Matt, which, you know, people caught him slow.
60:34And stiff and all this type of stuff, because he's not, might not be, you know, a five, 10, one 82 pound jitter.
60:41He's not Elijah Moore. Yeah. Yes. He might not be the most aesthetically pleasing wide receiver out there, but guess what?
60:47He creates separation and dudes bounce off of him and he wins in tight window targets.
60:52And he actually creates space like the hinge routes that we talked about in stats.
60:57Anyways, Denzel Boston's awesome. And it's, it's pretty cool to see that he's already succeeding in an environment that many others have failed in, in the past.
61:05On Carnal Tate, I went back and watched his five targets here.
61:09The issue with the Titans is there were so many quick pressures that when he got open at the top of his
61:15routes, Cam Ward was already moving off his spot, you know?
61:19And then you have to go to like the second, third elongated windows, all that type of stuff.
61:24Unfortunately, I think that's just the world we're going to live in here.
61:28Now that might change and maybe an upset home run swing of the week is a Tennessee Titans beating the Indianapolis Colts,
61:35or at least making this one competitive because it is a seven point spread.
61:39I will say in the opposite end of that.
61:42I just think Shane Sikin's a good enough coach that he'll take it to like the worst team in the league in the Titans.
61:49So I don't know if I'm, I'm man enough to pick the Titans in that one.
61:54Yeah, I couldn't get there, but could Cam Ward throw for 270 yards?
61:58He's never done that in his NFL career. Could he do that this week?
62:02Could Carnal Tate, who they're using as more of a Z receiver.
62:05So he ends up kicking into the slot off motion on about 26% of his snaps, averages 18 air yards per target.
62:12When he gets into the slot, the Colts are a total slot funnel.
62:16They allow the most yards to receivers lined up inside and they do a lot of these like big chunky vertical plays.
62:23And then they're pretty shut down fourth fewest yards to receivers lineup out wide.
62:27If you're trying to start Carnal Tate, like chase good weeks, this is a week to do it.
62:32Lastly, on Jeremy Bernard, who just got to play that Colts slot funnel defense last week.
62:37He's another one, Josh, that much like Denzel Boston looks like the exact player that you would have thought.
62:43He looks like a dirty work guy, a ton of in breakers, some of the quick outs that Aaron Rodgers likes to throw.
62:50He's about mostly slot, but kind of a Z receiver.
62:53To me, he just looks like a Jacoby Myers type, and that's what I thought he'd be in the NFL.
62:59I think that's what he'll be based on what I've seen so far on tape.
63:03And this is another good spot here this week.
63:06Aaron Rodgers going against a defense that you'll try to find a lot of those blitz replacement throws, quick access stuff.
63:13So it might not be Jeremy Bernard going for a buck 30 or something like that, but could he get a little
63:19slightly scammy eight catch 75 yard game? I totally think that's possible for Bernard.
63:23Yeah. And, you know, check into some wide receiver screens based on the pressure looks and all that type of stuff.
63:30Um, I'm maybe I went overboard on the driven our love and the way for our show this week, just because look.
63:36This rookie class from a running back and wide receiver standpoint has been putrid in comparison to previous years.
63:42Yeah, but oftentimes rookie wide receivers help define second halves of the fantasy season.
63:46I'm never going to compare Jeremy Bernard's talent to Amon Ross St.
63:50Brown or Latin McConkie or what like Brian Thomas Jr.
63:53did and all that type of stuff. But Matt, I think we're at the point where Jeremy Bernard has a likelier chance
64:00than not to hold on to the wide receiver to roll for the for the Pittsburgh Steelers for the rest of the season.
64:07Um, just the way that Aaron Rodgers speaks about him publicly and also apparently in production meetings with Jim Nance and JJ Watt.
64:14And then how Jeremy Bernard has not been a perfect player so far.
64:18He's had drops and miscues and that stuff. And yet Aaron Rodgers isn't sending him to the bench.
64:23He wants him back on the field on the very next snap that he is living with the ups and the downs
64:30and the roller coasters that rookies brings out there.
64:32And that like Aaron Rodgers hasn't said one good thing about Michael Pittman during his time with the Steelers makes me think
64:39that Jeremy Bernard is going to be the wide receiver too for this team moving forward.
64:44And sometimes his passes and where he runs routes are more accessible for a rod than like DK Metcalf's.
64:50So, uh, I understand the Steelers aren't like this high flying offense, but three or four plays per game.
64:55Aaron Rodgers does something cool. And, uh, Jeremy Bernard could be on the end of that.
65:00I co-signed basically everything you just said there. And the last thing I would say is obviously this is not the most
65:07high powered offense in the world, which is why I think it won't be those one of adding Jeremy Bernard off waiver
65:14wires tilted your league or whatever like that. But to your point about I wouldn't compare his talent level to Amon Ross St.
65:20Brown. Again, I'm not saying Jeremy Bernard is going to become Amon Ross St.
65:25Brown, but what would you have said about Amon Ross St.
65:28Brown's, you know, talent level of October 15th of his rookie season?
65:32Yeah, it was a fourth round pick. I really liked Amon Ross St.
65:36Brown. I had him ranked higher than a fourth round pick in my draft rankings, but, um, I certainly didn't expect him
65:42to go the way that he did, but he started off as this like rugged, dirty work player.
65:48And yeah, Jeremy Bernard rugged, dirty work player. So, um, you know, I'm going to get quote graphic here on, uh, Matt
65:54Harmon says Jeremy Bernard is the next, uh, Amon Ross St.
65:58Brown, but you know, you get my, you get what I'm saying here.
66:02Well, Jeremy's just a gamer, you know, like when, when you went back and yeah, you turned on the Alabama tape and
66:08obviously he transferred over from Washington with, you know, the head coach and Brian grub is finally back there at Alabama and all that type of stuff.
66:16But they built their passing offense around him and he did everything.
66:20You know, he caught manufactured stuff. He worked her the middle field.
66:24He did down the field stuff. He did in breakers.
66:27He did outbreak. He did all of it. So, uh, it's not a surprise to me that he's hit the ground running
66:33in the NFL and we'll have some rookie moments.
66:36But, uh, again, I w I was heavily invested in him this week.
66:40That's for sure. All right. We'll get to question number six here before we do a question in the chat, not a
66:47question in the chat from Snoopy step bro. I guess he just wanted to send in Josh looks handsome today.
66:53Matt looks decent, I guess. Wow. You know what?
66:55Snoopy number one. I agree with you. Josh does look very handsome.
66:59He's got a nice collared shirt on. Uh, I, I think Josh has a great face.
67:04Okay. I think Josh is a handsome man. I would say, um, Snoopy.
67:08Honestly, I thought about trimming up today and then I just, I just ran out of time before the shows.
67:14So, you know what? Snoopy good call by you.
67:17I would say decent, not my best. I'm going to watch the film.
67:21I'm going to get better. We'll, we'll, we'll try again.
67:24Um, next week. I promise I'll come into next Thursday's show looking much more handsome.
67:28So apologies to you, Snoopy step bro. Apologies to you, Josh, all the producers.
67:32I gotta be better. Okay. I gotta be the best version of myself.
67:36All right. Question number six. What do we got?
67:39I mean, this one's disgusting, but I'll bring it up.
67:42Um, the chiefs are projected for 25 and a half points.
67:45Off there by week. Matt, do any of their wide receivers matter to us?
67:50Like we just talked about the waiver wire. If Tyquan Thornton, after his great game in, let me do the math week four.
67:57If he finished that healthy. He would have been like the hottest commodity out there.
68:01Right. With how Patrick Holmes is playing right now, how they're getting these single high looks and coverages and how he's their best deep threat.
68:09Well, now he's going to be missing for a very long time.
68:12Rushy rice is off with a hamstring injury. So who is it?
68:16And like, dare I say, is it Justin Watson who was back on this roster?
68:20Like, is he their best vertical wide receiver now?
68:23There's, you know, several teams working out Juju Smith-Schuster.
68:26I think the Chargers, the other team in this game is one of them, which is just a total harbinger of doom.
68:33If your team is working out Juju Smith-Schuster, that's means your wide receiver room is not in a good spot.
68:39I mean, the Chargers also signed MBS. That's a double, double sign of doom right there.
68:43Anyways, former chief receiver. You know, there's some Cyrus Allen pop starting to get back going again.
68:49He was theoretically. Yeah. He's like theoretically Rishi Rice's backup.
68:52Now to me, I think that Jalen Royals runs more of the Rishi Rice routes and is that player for them.
68:58Is he good at football? No, I don't think so.
69:01But I mean, again, theoretically, that's where he fits in.
69:04And at least that was my pre-draft opinion. And based on the very little we've seen of him in the NFL so
69:11far, it's kind of the role he's fulfilled. You know, Cyrus Allen was a day three rookie.
69:16He had a good summer, but also missed some time.
69:19This is a team that never trusts its rookie wide receivers early on.
69:23So they could be forced into this coming off of a bye week, had two weeks to prepare to get him going.
69:29So definitely not saying, I mean, he doesn't even have a picture on our damn projections here.
69:35So not a good sign for Cyrus Allen. But anyways, I would not say they'd like, oh, go pick him up.
69:41But I mean, he's probably got to get a bump in playing time.
69:45He's run like 10 routes all season. Right. Yeah.
69:48I mean, post by rookie bumps. Now, this is an early buy and that would be a big bump towards the end
69:54of the season, you know, and even a bump for Cyrus Allen would be like a 33% snap player.
70:00So we'll see. I mean, it would be great.
70:03I'm just like, you know, I hear from Hayden, this is the Xavier worthy season or this is the Xavier worthy week or I'm intrigued by this.
70:11Xavier worthy just is not a vertical pass catcher.
70:14No, he is fast. But Matt, he is the perfect and latest example of you have to be more than fast to be a good downfield player because.
70:22He like in tight window target situations that he just gets folded like corners just kind of work through him.
70:28They impress coverage. They make him play at their speed versus his speed.
70:32And so, yeah, maybe he'll pop off here and there.
70:35And but most of the stuff is, you know, the drags, the whips, the manufacturer touch at the line of scrimmage.
70:41So I'm just intrigued to see this version of the team and their project for this many points.
70:47I would be totally fine, though, if you know, it's 17 points for Ken Walker, the third and then another touchdown for
70:53Travis Kelsey and we get out of there. It probably is what it's going to be.
70:58And my thought is this is going to be a massive workload week once again for Kenneth Walker, considering the state is wide receiver.
71:06And but yeah, we have seen worthy when Rice not when Rice has not been a part of the proceedings and worthy
71:12has been healthy, which that hasn't like lined up a ton where he does get those manufactured looks, the little whips and
71:19the quick outs and stuff like that. So we might see that from.
71:23And to be fair, he did have a big tight coverage win in the last game that we saw of him, Xavier worthy.
71:30But I think we know who Xavier worthy is at this point.
71:33I'm waiting to see more evidence on that. So definitely interested in what some of these depth receivers for Kansas City can do.
71:40Otherwise, we're probably coming out of this game saying, who are they trading for at the NFL trade deadline?
71:46And then they'll just sign you just miss Schuster.
71:49All right. So with that, let's take our first quick break of the show.
71:53We come back. We've got no one's games of the week.
71:56We'll get into that right after this. All right.
71:59We're back and welcome to no one's games of the week.
72:02Like, you know, these are some sleepy ones this week, Josh.
72:06I'll say that. All right. The lullaby is very fitting.
72:09Although I will say maybe maybe I can stand up a little bit, stick up a little bit for jets at Patriots
72:15because the Patriots look like they're coming back. You know, Drake may the schedules getting lighter and Drake may is crushing it.
72:22All right. That sounds good. Week six status for AJ Brown is quote up in the air.
72:27He might play. He might not. We will see.
72:30Meanwhile, though, the jets, the jets are not good, but they're pretty frisky.
72:34Yeah. But look at that. They're pretty frisky and they're very concentrated.
72:37Okay. Garrett Wilson is on pace for the best season of his career.
72:41Braylon Allen is a bull with the ball and the only guy who touches the ball.
72:46So weirdly, like we do have to set it and forget it.
72:50I would say fantasy starters on the New York jets as they go against the New England Patriots.
72:55Totally. And the Patriots are getting healthier on defense.
72:58I believe that Christian Gonzalez is back for this game.
73:01And Matt, as you have pointed out, Garrett Wilson is playing what the least amount of slot reps that he has seen over the last few years.
73:09So we should get a whole bunch of Garrett Wilson and Christian Gonzalez battles.
73:13And that's fun because Garrett Wilson was fricking outrageous last week.
73:17He was so good. Um, now the jets at every other catchable position, uh, have gone through injuries.
73:22We've seen Adnan Mitchell now have an operation and I'm sure that extends his window to be out a little bit.
73:29Uh, Kenyan Sadiq had an awesome game against the lions was top of the list for us.
73:34The waiver wire then had a zero catch game.
73:36And then what got a concussion last week or head injury.
73:40And he's going to miss this one. And then maybe Omar Cooper comes back.
73:44So it's, it's kind of Garrett Wilson and, and that's it.
73:47So for, you know, Frank Reich evolving, I think a little bit and utilizing these pieces as he should have.
73:53And that jets offense looking really fun for the first two to three weeks.
73:58Uh, if Garrett Wilson kind of gets taken out of that equation, Matt, I am pretty nervous about what this jets offense is going to look like.
74:06I think the good news and cause I've gone back and kind of watched more of this that yes, it's Garrett Wilson's
74:12out wide a ton, but he's being used in these kind of condensed splits, uh, stacks bunches.
74:18Yeah. So even if he's out wide, it's still, you can do some things to get him free releases and hide him a little bit from Christian Gonzalez.
74:26But I imagine Gonzalez is going to track him all over the field, which will make it a tough matchup.
74:32But a lot of that comes back to then what is the game script like for the New York jets?
74:38Are they going to be in kind of catch up mode?
74:41Cause I think this Patriots offense is definitely starting to turn around.
74:45I made the joke about the schedule, but I have always been pretty insistent that this offense is a bad team beater.
74:52Um, and I think the jets defense started out again, looking kind of okay, but has started to tumble back down a
74:58little bit, particularly in the secondary against some of these man coverage looks.
75:02And the Patriots receivers, like they got Kyle Williams going after Chisholm showing a little something, something like he's got pretty decent hands.
75:09Uh, I would say slot based player. Don't love the movement skills, but a player that can certainly take reps in the NFL.
75:16And if they get AJ Brown back, that's a whole nother discussion.
75:20But I think we're getting to a point now with the Patriots pass catchers where I feel a lot better about Drake may.
75:27Well, we do have two, really three injury nuggets.
75:30I think with the Patriots one, we know will Campbell miss part of last game.
75:34I'm not sure he's going to play in this one.
75:37So they get their first round pick. Caleb Lomu stepping in, uh, David Bailey's played really well on the jets, you know, edge rushing spot.
75:45And so that might be a rookie versus rookie battle.
75:48Uh, Trevor and Henderson, two days ago, it was reported that he has a high angle sprain.
75:53It will be out multiple weeks yesterday. He got in a limited practice today.
75:57He was in full pads. Like there was a note from Schefter saying, well, they believe he's a fast healer.
76:03I know he was Wolverine Matt. Like that. That's the quickest thing from a high ankle sprain I've ever, I've ever seen.
76:10So if he's back, that destroys our theory of the play for Romandre Stevenson.
76:14Cause this backfield has been horrific when it's been split into two and has kind of only mattered when it's been one player out there.
76:22Uh, and then the last one, like you said, is AJ Brown, who is back to running at practice.
76:27I think he's kind of going to be a limited participation all week long.
76:32Uh, if he plays, obviously he's in your starting lineup, but if, if he doesn't, it might be more of like a week seven thing here.
76:39Yeah. I probably would prepare for him not to play, but could totally be wrong about that.
76:45Of course, I would guess he's back in week seven, not week six, but we will, we will see about that one.
76:51Um, okay. Next game up here. Steelers at bucks.
76:54Talked a little bit about the Jeremy Bernard aspect of this, which obviously is a big one.
76:59This is another injury nugget though. Cause Rico Dowdle fully participated in practice today.
77:03I would guess he does get back out here.
77:06So we really get to test Mike McCarthy's word here.
77:09Cause he said, Jalen is our featured player right now.
77:12Where do you think Jalen Warren, who's been one of the best?
77:16Um, I mean, number one in the NFL for, for running backs, 490 yards since week three, where do we think he
77:22slots in from like a fantasy standpoint? If Rico Dowdle plays.
77:26Well, and the other part of it is that they face the box and, and truly no one runs on the box.
77:32Uh, they've been still against the run allowing 3.4 yards per carry to back.
77:37That's third best in the league. There are eighth in terms of first down or touchdown rate.
77:42They are fourth in preventing runs of 10 or more yards.
77:45But Matt, the one area to get them is the receiving department.
77:49Obviously they have new linebackers, young linebackers that have been in and out like Josiah Trotter.
77:53And then Alex Anzalone is just a journeyman at that linebacker spot.
77:57Uh, they've allowed 5.4 receptions per games to opposing running backs.
78:00That's the fourth most in the league. And we saw one of those receptions for Jalen Warren last week, go to the house for 50 plus yards.
78:09So yeah, that, that's how they have to get their points here.
78:12Um, I, I totally buy what Mike McCarthy has said, like in the preseason.
78:16And when you read the beat writers, they all said, well, Rico data was going to be the lead ball carrier and
78:23it's going to be a one, two punch. But we go from one, two punch to, like you said, our featured player right now.
78:30So this is unwavering. Uh, it is Jalen Warren is a top 12 running back this week, even in a bad rushing matchup for me.
78:38Yeah. The receiving usage for him should save the day for sure.
78:42He's been targeted, not quite at the Kenny gain.
78:44Well rate, but he's been targeted on a per route basis at a pretty high rate, uh, by Aaron Rogers, who we trust him.
78:52He's going to be out there. Like that's the long and short of it.
78:56Um, really good pass protector. I think Jalen Warren too.
78:59So he should still maintain that job on the bucks side of things.
79:03Obviously big win on Thursday against Dallas Cowboys. We're talking about a slightly different level of defensive quality here going against the Steelers this week.
79:10Yeah. Steelers defense. I think you could argue top five in the league so far and all the fancy boy metrics out there.
79:17Um, look, I was extremely J Jalen Daniels curious after his debut, uh, just, you know, in the aspects of hitting whole
79:24shots and trying to throw down the field in certain areas and the timing of it and buying some extra time.
79:30Uh, it was not actually surprising to me that he looked that good against Collins Cowboys.
79:35Uh, I don't know how this is going to be against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but Matt, we might have like a long
79:42time rostered quarterback in the league at the very least.
79:45And I think you can say that Jalen Daniels, his game on Thursday night was better than any Baker Mayfield performance that
79:51we've seen from the Buccaneers so far this season.
79:54It's a super low bar, but you might not be, um, wrong about that.
79:58But now, uh, Jalen Daniels, they've run a very like quick based passing game with him, get the ball out fast, but that's kept the offense on schedule.
80:07He's made a few mistakes, particularly in the Packers game, but, um, they, they, you know, they've just kept the offense moving, kept it going there.
80:15And I think that, I think that what we've seen so far out of the entire offense again is a little bit of a smoother operation.
80:23By the way, Josh, it's, I can't get this out of my head.
80:27I think this game is going to be the first one that ends, uh, on Sunday.
80:31Oh, I like that. That's my, that's my bold prediction about this game.
80:35The Steelers, we know Rogers loves to play slow, drain out the clock.
80:39This team with, uh, Jalen Daniels under center the last two weeks, fifth highest in terms of rushing rate.
80:45Some of that is him. Some of it's the, just the buck year being of it all quick passes and everything.
80:51I think this is going to be the game that ends the first, uh, ends first.
80:56Okay. So, so we've got that 39 and a half point total, I think also speaks to that as well.
81:02Yeah. That's like the Mark Sessler special that that's the one that he always looks for in terms of, in terms of
81:09like, Hey, which game can I pick? So I can get out of there the quickest, uh, that's a Sessy.
81:15There you go. Yeah. This is the Sessy, the Sessy special here.
81:19Uh, okay. The other part that is interesting though, with this Bucks team, I talked about this with Dwayne McFarlane earlier this week.
81:25This team is like a phone book. They throw to everybody.
81:29They have six players with a target chair over 10% on the team.
81:33Uh, it's one of the least constant. It's actually the least concentrated, um, passing game in the NFL right now, even when everybody is healthy.
81:40Do you feel better about getting a decent box score from Emeka Ibuka on, uh, Thursday night last week?
81:46Or is this still something you're just like not trusting at all?
81:50Not trusting it at all. Uh, I would only start him if I have to.
81:54And again, any wide receiver beyond wide receiver 20 is vile.
81:58Um, Matt, you mentioned so many players, what five have over a 10% target chair.
82:02Six. I couldn't tell you one pass or six.
82:05I can tell you one pass thrown in direction of Chris Godwin this year or one catch that he's made.
82:11You know, is he one of those six qualifying players, you know, like it's, I'm not saying that he is a mistake or a problem.
82:18He just, that is a fact right now. I cannot tell you one play that Chris Godwin has made this season.
82:25Well, he made the one big play and then it got called back due to holding.
82:30Uh, and it was a just, it was a justifiable one.
82:33It wasn't like an, Oh my God, I can't believe they called it.
82:37I think the reason that you don't remember it, Josh, is because, uh, he is 11.7% target share, which is, he's the
82:43last one of the group in terms of the target share there.
82:47But, um, no, wait, excuse me. I have that wrong.
82:50Uh, no, he, but again, he's, his target share is not very high.
82:54And the reality of that is also that his air yard share is even lower than that.
82:59So, uh, 14.4% target share. That's a third most on the team behind Emeka Ibuka and Kate Otten.
83:05Kate Otten's the one I'm like, Kate Otten has an 18.5% target share.
83:09I don't remember any of those plays. Uh, but then he, uh, Chris Godwin has a 5% air yard share, which ranks
83:15behind Ibuka, Godwin, Ted Hurst, and Tez Johnson because they throw these like shot plays to Ted, uh, to Tez Johnson.
83:22So it's just little quick passes to Chris Godwin that just ultimately, if he doesn't break tackles, it's not going anywhere.
83:28I, I honestly, I was wondering if he's like a trade candidate.
83:32I don't know. I don't think anyone wants to take on that contract though, but maybe like some team that needs a
83:38veteran receiver, it's just not happening for Chris Godwin this year, which is not surprising based on how it looked last year,
83:45but he's still a pretty good run blocker in the run game for, uh, Bucky Irving, who is, I think having an
83:52up and down season, but is coming off a really high, high at least.
83:56Yeah. We kind of get rug pulled by this coaching staff and you know, Zach Robinson is completely on my radar.
84:02Yeah. I mean, I understand that they won in prime time.
84:05So people might have this belief that Zach Robinson is doing a good job.
84:10I think he's doing a horrific job. Uh, but who asks me, uh, Bucky Irving, you did.
84:15So I'll talk about it. Like Bucky's really good.
84:18He's very good. Unfortunately, this offensive line hasn't been as good as promised.
84:21Like Graham Barton has really regressed at center, especially in some pass protection stuff.
84:26But the difference in, in Bucky's work has been what two weeks ago, Sean Tucker got some of the goal line stuff.
84:32And then in this game, he had a five yard receiving touchdown Bucky Irving did.
84:37And then a one yard plunge for a second score.
84:40So Matt, this is where we talk about, Hey, this is fake football.
84:44And we try to predict the unpredictable. And if you went based on the previous game, there was no way you would
84:51think that Bucky was going to be the short yardage player for the bucks.
84:55But here we are. And he is. So now we ride with that and that's our, our locked in belief.
85:01And, and I would 100% start him as a running back to in your lineups.
85:05Yeah. Um, I can't believe it got bug pulled by this coaching staff.
85:09What a shock, but yeah, I agree with you.
85:12Bucky has looked really good and, uh, definitely someone I would be starting for sure.
85:17Okay. Last game to talk about in this segment, the Titans, they always find their way here.
85:22Titans at Colts. We got a 44 and a half point total.
85:25I have used all my notes. It's your choice that they find themselves here.
85:30It's that's you. Yeah. This, this is what the universe gives me.
85:33I'm just working off what I got, Josh. What are, what are the games?
85:37I'm supposed to put in this section. Uh, the, the, the, the Browns are playing the Ravens.
85:43Okay. Browns are playing the Ravens. So can't you can't use them.
85:46Um, and I think the Titans, honestly, the Colts have worked their way into the segment.
85:51I w I'm trying not to just pick the Titans every week here.
85:55Um, cause we're to a point where at least they have Carnell Tate and he's interesting to talk about and has some fantasy value.
86:02But that was my only note on the Titans that I had.
86:06And I already used it in the Carnell Tate section earlier.
86:09The only other thing I'll say is I keep seeing Calvin Ridley brought up as a trade candidate.
86:15Nobody is trading for Calvin Ridley. Please, please stop writing that people are going to trade for Calvin Ridley.
86:20He's run 87 routes this year and has eight targets on a team that could use pass catchers.
86:26He's being out targeted by Tony Pollard and Alec Io manner.
86:29Like Gunner Helm has more targets than Calvin Ridley.
86:32Please. The other note here is that Tony Pollard is running back 22 in consensus rankings this week.
86:37There's no bigger sign of a recession indicator than Tony Pollard being running back 22 in consensus.
86:42Like, I don't think he actually exists, you know, but I'm sure he's rostered in 95% of Yahoo leagues out there.
86:49I don't think he actually is a fantasy player.
86:51Like no one has started him. He hasn't been in any lineups and yet he's a top 24 back.
86:57Here we are in week six. Like this really is a stars versus scrubs type season.
87:02And if you have like two of the top 17, they're in an awesome place.
87:07And anyone after that, you're not drafting zero running back next year.
87:10Um, I'm trying to look up exactly a Tony Pollard, not at practice today.
87:14So wonder what that's about. He's somebody who he's somebody who should be traded.
87:19Okay. He's, he's someone who actually probably should be traded, but yeah, to your point, Josh, I know you don't have to do rankings.
87:26Lucky you. Um, I'm gonna say that every week.
87:29Tony Pollard, when you get to the, when you're doing the weekly running back rankings, you get to the Tony Pollard zone
87:35and you're just like, all right, well, this is the last guy.
87:39This is the cliff that he is the representation that you are at the cliff.
87:43Like the last guy that you could talk yourself into.
87:47He's going to see the most work in his backfield.
87:50You know that, but it will not result in any fantasy value, which by the way is what Tony Pollard was in fantasy drafts this off season.
87:58And quite frankly, what he was last off season, this was, and then he went on to be one of the most
88:04productive running backs, uh, in the fantasy playoffs, uh, as well.
88:08I'm trying to look up exactly how many people are starting Tony Pollard.
88:12While I do that, why don't you talk a little bit about Tyler Warren?
88:16Yes. Talk about the Colts. Yeah. So Tyler Warren's role changed last week, uh, prior to the week five game, he had
88:23the lowest a dot of any non running back in the league.
88:26And I thought it was a designated choice, a conscientious choice by or conscious choice by Shane Sykin to get him on
88:33these over routes, these leak patterns, these more downfield shot.
88:36They faked a screen and then he worked to the third level on top of it.
88:41Uh, I think that's necessary. Like who else is pushing coverage off of here?
88:45Uh, who else is attacking these areas of the field?
88:48It's not Josh downs, you know, they're running Laquan Treadwell and Westbrook Akine and these guys.
88:53So I will remain with the idea that I had prior to the season that Tyler Warren, you know, is going to lead this team in receiving.
89:01And he'll do that the rest of the year.
89:04Uh, and then Matt, we finally got like what he did at Penn state in terms of a goal line touchdown.
89:10Now it was that fullback instead of a wildcat, which was a choice like he did at Penn state.
89:16But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm not saying Tyler Warren's going to like jump into the top three tight ends this year, but
89:22at the very least in a game like this, where they're favored by seven points, uh, Tyler Warren's going to be a good asset for your fancy lineups.
89:31I, I gotta see it for a few more weeks, uh, or like at least another week of him actually being used
89:38down the field and him getting the football consistently simply because I just don't trust the quarterback really at all.
89:44Um, at this point, um, cause to your, to your point, I mean, Josh Downs is running the routes down the field.
89:50The quarterback just can't get him the ball. It's a period end of story.
89:54Um, he has one of the lowest catchable target rates while also, um, and it's just like, what are you going to do?
90:01Some of that definitely is obviously Josh Downs is five 90s, a hundred, maybe 175 pounds.
90:06Maybe that's a bit, that's a part of like the contested situation stuff for him.
90:11But I mean, this is a guy who does catch contested passes in the correct areas, but I don't know.
90:17Regardless, it's not going to happen for any of these guys consistently because the quarterback play is so bad and I'm not sure it's going to get better.
90:25Um, in most matchups, this one though, maybe from an edge rush perspective, the Titans don't have very much.
90:31Just real quick before you respond to that, Josh, um, Tony Pollard, 51% of Yahoo leagues.
90:36Tony Pollard is being started in 14% of people have elected to 14% of, of leagues have elected to start him this week.
90:43Plus plus 14 this week. They've, they've, they've decided this is the week for Pollard probably because there's a little green, you
90:49know, icon next to the Colts rushing department. But anyways, that's our update on Tony Pollard.
90:54Yeah. The, those 51% or a hundred percent of them subscribe to ship chasing and, uh, you know, Peter over that and Sean Siegel and that stuff.
91:02That's how you end up with Tony Pollard on your team.
91:06Yikes. Okay. Um, anyways, uh, it's all, it's all in just guys.
91:09It's, it's all, it's all fun. We're allowed to do this.
91:13Uh, Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor has destroyed this matchup over the last three times he's played against them just in full PPR.
91:19This is from Reeves, his worksheet. Uh, he scored 37, 40 and 33 PPR points the last three times he's faced the Tennessee Titans.
91:27So, uh, wheels up, wheels up for JT. Wheels up for JT.
91:30I am open to this Colts, uh, passing offense being functional at some point if the quarterback can just play a little
91:37bit better, but you know, maybe there's an Achilles turnaround at some point here soon.
91:41But, um, yeah, that is what it is with the Colts.
91:45That's why they find themselves in no one's games of the week.
91:48All right. We're going to take a quick break.
91:51We come back. We're taking your questions in the Toyota fantasy hotline.
91:55We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back and welcome to fantasy hotline presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL every week.
92:03We reach out to you, the people, our people, and ask you a pressing question for each week's slate of games.
92:10Our question this week, who do you need a heroic performance from?
92:13That's not an every week starter. Yeah. I need a heroic performance from Kenneth Longer.
92:18You know, we get that. We're talking a non-usual hero who's going to save you because of an injury, a bi-week, whatever.
92:24Let me tell you what, Josh, some brutal names submitted.
92:27Okay. Some real, some real hopeless ones. And we got a few of them into the show here.
92:33Um, I will say though, the first one I could squint at this one.
92:37The first one comes in from Klaus and says, Trey Tucker, I'm all aboard the Trey Tucker train, uh, here in week six of the NFL season.
92:45Josh, I think this one in terms of desperation plays, you know what you're getting into with Trey Tucker.
92:51It's either going to be four for 40, like this exact projection.
92:55It's either going to be three catches for 45 yards, or it's going to be a buck 30 and a touchdown, maybe two.
93:02Uh, and I could see the high range of outcomes this week because that Bill's defense, not very good.
93:07The bills are 30th, allowing a league high 15.2 receptions per game to wide receivers, a 7.8 touchdown rate per game.
93:14Uh, they allow 12.3 yards though per catch to receivers, which is eighth best in the league.
93:19So we know that Trey Tucker's game is all downfield.
93:22If he hits the shot plays, that's a big deal.
93:25Um, on throws, according to retrieve bars worksheet, 20 or more yards down the field, they have allowed, uh, just six of 19 to be completed.
93:33So Kirk is knowing what he sees pre-snap and post-snap and ripping these downfield shots when he's not throwing the ball to Brock Bowers.
93:40Um, all we need is one. That's a Trey Tucker line, right?
93:44When it's a positive, when you have an optimistic lens, all you need is one.
93:48And that can happen in the game where they're projected for 24 points.
93:52That's for sure. 85 targets allowed to outside wide receivers.
93:55The Buffalo bills lead the NFL in that category.
93:58And it just feels like this Raiders passing game, Josh, could go the way of what the, I mean, obviously a poor
94:05man's version of what the Rams did to them on Monday night, where it's a lot of paper cut, paper cut, paper cut, paper cut, paper cut.
94:13Throw it over the top. And obviously if they're going to throw it over the top, they're going to paper cut to
94:19Brock Bowers and they're going to throw it over the top to Trey Tucker.
94:24So again, you know what you're getting yourself into there, but I've seen worse ideas.
94:28Okay. Next one comes in from, uh, palms, something or another.
94:31Yeah. Yeah. Corey Krosky merit JCM. Ooh, you say oof.
94:34Yeah. They even got it. Luke's got the little squirrely eyes, a swirly eyes emoji here.
94:39He knows he's in trouble with JCM. How do you feel about the commander's backfield?
94:44I mean, after the first series we had bill have a 22 yard touchdown.
94:48I'm like, guys, this, this can be it. Like this is the week.
94:52And then, you know, the giants send all that blitzes, you know, zero coverage.
94:56And they had no answer, the commander's offense. And so David Blal's answer was to put Rashad white in, in pass protection
95:03and then throw screens to Deami Brown. You could have better answers.
95:07I feel like, um, and then we also have also Neckler is still an active member of this team.
95:12So Matt zoomed out view. We drafted bill knowing that this was a two person backfield and like the roles were very clear.
95:19And in some ways now it's a three person backfield.
95:22Like Austin, that was getting legit snaps and touches.
95:25Not a lot of them, but some of them in the first half.
95:29And we can't have anything taken away from, from bill crosskey merit right now.
95:33And they're facing the San Francisco 49ers, uh, expected to lose by quite a lot.
95:38Uh, and I hear, you know, the 49ers have a pretty good linebacker in Fred Warner.
95:43So this is a tough one. They, they do, they do.
95:46It's a tough one. Um, I will say JCM is probably going to be above the Tony Pollard replacement line.
95:52They're Tony Pollard cliff line in the rankings, but not by very much, not by very much.
95:57So yeah, you, they're total risk play here for JCM.
96:00And yeah, if you're in a non elite offense and you got the backfield split three ways, it's just a total fantasy disaster.
96:07Um, essentially you're hoping that you're hoping here's a sentence.
96:10You're hoping JCM is going to go the Amarian Hampton path where he just finds his way into the end zone.
96:16Uh, so that's kind of the path you're looking at there for JCM.
96:20Tough, tough break on that one. I will say Matt, if you just, if you look at the points per game, he
96:27is right next to Jeremiah Love and Cam Scadaboo in points per game.
96:31Like we drafted bill at what, like running back 31.
96:34I can't remember how far away that was. Uh, so he's been like a small one player right now, but at the
96:41same time you have almost no, no confidence, but maybe once we get into some bi-weeks and I actually think the commanders are, are another one.
96:48These frisky teams when we bring that up, uh, and maybe future weeks that they might be bill.
96:54So circle back around with this question and I might have a better answer for bill in the future.
97:00Yeah, this is just not a great week for it.
97:03Uh, you mentioned Cam Scadaboo. So let's skip ahead actually on the list here and go to Cam Scadaboo offspring 10.
97:09It feels like he shouldn't be involved in this section and yet kind of has been involved in this level of player,
97:16you know, no passing game work basically needs to score a touchdown.
97:19These are just the most, uh, frustrating backs to have in fantasy as you're just essentially you're counting on that touchdown.
97:26I also saw an interesting quote from John Harbaugh today where he's talking about like, we need to change the offense to fit Jameis Winston.
97:33Stop trying to fit the Jameis Winston into their idea of I'm paraphrasing here and probably butchering it, but like what the
97:40idea of what the offense wanted to be. Except for, you know, the snaps that apparently he's going to increase for JJ
97:47McCarthy because Jordan Roddon reported that Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh believes that that is going to, uh, take this offense and help it.
97:54You know, the, the five or six snaps that JJ McCarthy comes in and run some type of zone read and that stuff.
98:01So what do you think about that, Matt? Yeah, I think, you know what I think about that.
98:06Cam's got to boot. Cam's got to boot is frustrating in that he's coming off a season low 58% of snaps.
98:13But then when you look at the plays, they ran what 84 of them.
98:17So he still had a huge chunk just of raw numbers.
98:20And sometimes we don't look at raw numbers enough and just look at things in percentages.
98:25But like Najee Harris is coming in and in the last three weeks playing and getting five threads and touches compared to Scottie boo six.
98:32However, like this Saints defense is rough. You know, they've allowed a league high 161 yards from scrimmage to backfields.
98:39They've allowed a first down or touchdown on a league high 31% of backfields.
98:43So despite this three person backfield that Cam's got to boot is in, they're only one and a half point underdogs here.
98:49And the Saints just can't stop the run. So I'm in.
98:53I'm playing Cam's got to be this week, even if he only plays about 60% of snaps.
98:58I am as well. Actually, he's going to definitely he will definitely be above the Tony Pollard replacement line.
99:04He'll be above JCM again, not by much, but low end running back to this is the week to chase one of
99:10those touchdowns are projected for 22 points this week.
99:13The New York Giants think they can move the football.
99:16This is a rather high scoring game overall, I think, coming up here between the Saints and the Giants.
99:22So, yeah, it's a good week to chase a touchdown.
99:25But again, you know what you're getting yourself into on that.
99:28OK, we got a three parter here for our next one.
99:31Woody Marks, Jawan Johnson and Jeremy Bernard. Jeremy Bernard.
99:34I think we know how we feel about him.
99:37We talked about him earlier. Jawan Johnson, Woody Marks are the other ones.
99:41They also mentioned he's got Ryan has to start two of Jalen Waddell.
99:45Woody Marks, Jawan Johnson or Jeremy Bernard. We're not going to talk about Jalen Waddell because that game is happening tonight.
99:51And for our audio listeners, I'm not going to curse Jalen Waddell.
99:55OK, so you know how that went. If you're listening to this tomorrow, Woody, Jawan or Jeremy.
100:00Again, we talked about Jeremy Bernard. We both sounds like we both think he's a viable flex play that fits perfectly into this.
100:07How do you feel about Woody Marks? I agree.
100:10Yeah, I wish Woody Marks was getting the starting job in a game that wasn't against the Jaguars.
100:15Again, they have not allowed 40 yards to a single running back.
100:19However, Woody Marks is reeling off 10 plus yard runs at like the 17th highest rate in the league compared to Dave Montgomery, who was the absolute lowest.
100:27So what you have to bank on here with Woody Marks is either some receptions, which he's had, or some type of
100:34an explosive play, which is tough to do. But what he played 98% snaps once Dave Montgomery went down last week.
100:40So as we have learned, there are worse things you can do in your flex spot than have a running back that
100:47plays even close to 85 plus percent of the snaps.
100:50So this is a rough week. I'm starting Woody Marks in at least one league this week.
100:55What about you? I am also going to have to start Woody Marks in at least one week or at least one league this week for sure.
101:03And Jawan Johnson, I think, is pretty much firmly established as a low end tight end one.
101:08Not great, but could do worse. And again, potential high scoring game.
101:12So I like his outlook this week. I would probably rank these options.
101:16Jeremy Woody, Jawan, you feel the same way? Yes.
101:18Yes. Yeah. The Tyler Shuck broken hand is kind of on my radar.
101:22Now, like with the Giants in that game, it sounds like they might be missing Abdul Carter.
101:28And we already know that Brian Burns is out.
101:30Like Abdul Carter is not practicing at this point.
101:33So maybe the Saints, who allowed a ton of pressure last week, will be able to keep their quarterback upright a bit more often in this game.
101:41So to me, it kind of hinges on the injury report, how I'm into Tyler Shuck and Jawan Johnson versus not.
101:48But let's not forget that prior to last week, Tyler Shuck was one of the top five, six scoring quarterbacks out there.
101:54And it's never a good sign when your quarterback is always handing the football off with just one hand and not touching it with his left hand.
102:02But he can still get there this week. That's for sure.
102:06All right. We'll do a couple more here. This one from Eric sends in on these old wide receivers.
102:11I need a rescue from the Bengay and turf tape squad.
102:15Keenan Allen, Kendrick Bourne and Brandon Cooks. Josh, who's your favorite option?
102:18Yeah, that's my routine in the morning is Bengay and turf tape.
102:22Oh, come on. I think it's Kendrick Bourne for me.
102:25What about you? Kendrick Bourne. He's the guy that he's the guy that's playing the most and is playing on, I guess, the most high powered offense.
102:33Keenan Allen's part time player. So and we did we did hear with the 49ers that they did open the practice window for Christian Kirk.
102:41I'm not sure if that means he's going to play this week.
102:44I did not love the Brandon Cook stuff when I went back and watched it.
102:49I understand he scored a touchdown, but he yeah, he kind of moves his age right now.
102:54And Kendrick Bourne did not take over for quote unquote Marvin Harrison Jr.'s snaps in terms of I don't think Matt.
103:00He has a single drop back in 12 personnel at all.
103:04But, you know, he's going to they're going to have to throw a lot in the second half and they're going to
103:10run a lot of three wide receiver looks. And Kendrick Bourne is going to be out there in those looks.
103:16So Kendrick Bourne is topping my list of these three.
103:19I agree with you on that. OK, last one here.
103:22This one's from Derek. Josh Cameron. Look, you guys, you cannot start Josh Cameron.
103:27It's points per effective block league. I love this points per points per pancake league.
103:31You can start Josh Cameron. Otherwise, you can't start Josh Cameron.
103:35However, really good, interesting, useful player for the Jacksonville Jaguars for sure.
103:38Like I said, they used him on a sacrificial go route to take Quinnia Mitchell off the off the off the map.
103:45I mean, could he play more as the season goes on if they trade Brian Thomas Jr.?
103:50Definitely. But for now, not a guy you can consider starting.
103:53Really, really good player. Well, really cool player, but but not a guy you can start.
103:58You know who was awesome in my points per pancake league last week was DK Metcalf.
104:03His double block on springing Jalen Warren was fantastic.
104:06So I'm not sure if like if the opposition like sauce Garner talks crap to DK Metcalf and gets him fired up.
104:12But it certainly made him look like the best blocking wide receiver in the league last week.
104:18Just want to throw it out there and give some credit to the guy.
104:22Well, you know, he's got all that candy energy.
104:24So he had he had a lot pop to be able to put something into the block there.
104:30So you love to see that. All right. Great group of questions here.
104:34If you've got a lineup dilemma, trade debate or league controversy, the fantasy hotline is open all season long.
104:40So send us your toughest questions and we might just feature them in an upcoming episode, especially if they are tough questions
104:46like they were this week with a bunch of guys that are below the Tony Pollard cliff line.
104:52I'm glad we came out of this. I might be using that for the rest of the rest of the season.
104:58Josh, you know, the Tony Pollard cliff line. If you're running back is ahead of here.
105:03You can start them with some degree of confidence.
105:06If it's below the Tony Pollard cliff line, you might be in some trouble.
105:10You might be in some trouble. All right. That is going to do it line before and the Mendoza line and all that stuff.
105:17And now it's the Pollard line. Now it's the the the Pollard Pollard.
105:21I'll work on that one. The Pollard plateau, the Pollard plateau.
105:24That's where the running back. That's where the running back rankings plateau.
105:28And then you're banged the rest of the way.
105:31I don't know if that's perfect. We'll continue to workshop it.
105:34However, however, that is going to do it for us today.
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105:47Josh, great show for you today. We have a packed lineup for the people on Sunday.
105:52As always, we've got fantasy football live in the morning with me, Boone, Hayden and Josh.
105:57Great to have you back this week. Going to be awesome to have the show with Josh in the morning.
106:03Then make sure you're tuned in for the Josh and Hayden recap show with me, Josh, and obviously Hayden on Sunday night.
106:09And then I'll have the solo Sunday night football fantasy nightcap on the forecast channel.
106:14So Sunday, you're going to be here with us.
106:17We're going to be locked in. Until then, we are out.

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