0:00Big show for you here today. It's our midweek show.
0:03We got Nate Tice joining us for a little buy or sell some early season surprises.
0:07We go position by position and talk about some guys who are soaring or maybe are finally bouncing back some surprising scores
0:13so far and whether we are buying that they're going to continue their stunning starts or if we're selling on what they're doing so far.
0:20We talked Jalen Warren. We talked Basial Toon. We talked Aaron Jones at the running back position.
0:24We talked Drake May at quarterback and plenty more.
0:27We got a big wide receiver discussion. A little segment on Parker Washington.
0:30I think you guys are going to like then we preview Thursday Night Football Seahawks Broncos.
0:35You're probably not gonna like that segment as much, especially if you drafted Jalen Waddle because I told you to my bad on that one.
0:41Then Boone joins the show for the verse flex fit check.
0:44We got three wide receivers, three running backs and two tight ends that are on the flex radar.
0:49Should you start him? Should you sit him? All that and more come up on today's show.
0:54Let's get into it. What's going on everyone. I'm Matt Harmon.
0:57Welcome to the Yahoo fantasy forecasted. It is a hell of a day to talk ball and joining me to do just
1:03that is my good friend Nate Tice. Nate, what's going on, buddy?
1:06Not too much. Week six. Nice, nice, nice little games to like, you know, for our preview show tomorrow football three or one.
1:12It was had to dig up. You had to churn it a little bit.
1:16You know, there wasn't some odd. There's a couple obvious games, but even in those obvious games, there's some weak units, Cowboys defense.
1:22But really, no, it's a it's fun. It's a fun week this week.
1:26I feel like it's gonna be a little wacky and wild NFL.
1:29Yeah, I did see for our horse fight game on football three or one tomorrow, which you guys should all be checking that show out.
1:36If you want an in-depth non-fantasy football preview, I do see for our horse fight game.
1:40We've got bears Falcons, which I think we should be in.
1:43I think we should be in the clear Nate, but there is a chance that game is Tyson Bajan versus to a tongue of Iowa.
1:50I think again, I think we're in the clear.
1:52Okay. I think I know. I know pumpkin versus pumpkin.
1:55And it struck midnight very quickly for Tyson Bajan.
1:58And it's always that good reminder of like their backups for a reason.
2:01And then there's a difference between those guys and the dudes, the real starters.
2:05Even if it's just I'm right. I'm writing a piece on the on the bears past catchers right now that I did not finish before the show.
2:12Sorry, editors. I'll get that done after this one's over.
2:15But basically, like the long and short of it is, hey, this is a tale as old as time.
2:20And backup comes in, looks pretty good for a little bit.
2:23Starters get back. Things like might look a little better.
2:26But anyways, we're not talking about the bears. I don't think today, but we are talking about 17 players.
2:31We are either buying or selling after their surprising starts to the fantasy football season.
2:35I've got a ton of wide receiver questions. I can't wait to throw at Nate Tice later in this show.
2:40Then, of course, as always, we will be talking Thursday night football Seahawks versus Broncos.
2:44Oh, that's a conversation I'm not looking forward to, particularly with one of those football teams.
2:49But I am looking forward to the final segment of the show, which is the first flex fit check with Justin Boone,
2:55where we go over some week six flex plays that you guys might be considering.
2:59But without further ado, let's get into the main topic of today.
3:02We're going to talk about 17 players here to determine if they are buys or sells the rest of the season.
3:08I'm going to ask these to you as groups here with the position.
3:11We'll see which ones you get gravitated to first here, Nate.
3:14For quarterbacks, we've got Drake May, who's currently the quarterback eight and trending up after two QB one overall performances.
3:20We've got Tyler Shuck, who is the QB 11 coming off his worst game of the NFL season.
3:24We also have CJ Stroud, who is QB 15 way out kicking his current or will certainly what his fantasy ADP was
3:30this year and obviously just got himself a new target in Marvin Harrison Jr.
3:34So those three guys, which one do you think you are buying the most right now?
3:39What they're putting on tape and like what their highs have been this season?
3:42Drake May, it's kind of hard not to like what you what you see the last couple of weeks, just the balance
3:48of rushing and passing design play shot plays everything.
3:51But I think that with AJ Brown coming back, that also is exciting as well.
3:55They have injuries right now, but it's Chisholm did a nice job for Matt Collins.
3:59Cale Lomu did a nice job for Will Campbell when he went out.
4:02Stevenson getting hurt is not or I'm sorry. Henderson getting hurt is not ideal because he was adding some splashes there.
4:08But again, I am the Stevenson apologist, but I do think that he's doing fine.
4:12But so Drake May to me is the probably the easiest one here.
4:16But can we talk about CJ Stroud, that Texans passing game?
4:19That is actually let's just do it because I feel like the Drake May one is like it's kind of what you guys expected before the season.
4:26It's like he's going to be a guy that's because the rushing ability is going to keep his four pretty high.
4:32He's not going to have the turnovers like he did before.
4:35Stroud, I think what the Texans are leaning into even before the Harrison trade is they're just going to lean into being a spread and shred passing game.
4:42And I think it's going to be pass heavy the rest of the season, even with the defense picking back up.
4:48I think they're just pivoting and they're just like, this is what we are.
4:52We can't run the ball when we run it just to run.
4:55They're almost gonna be like an air raid team.
4:57Like, I really do think that this is gonna be a pass heavy team.
5:01And I think that's what they're like. Our guy right now is playing really well.
5:05He's seeing the game really well. He's pushing the football.
5:08His sack yardage. This is the stat I've kind of really noticed.
5:11CJ Stroud, his first three years took the most yards per sack of all quarterbacks in the NFL.
5:16He was 37 of 37. This year, it's dropped about a yard and a half.
5:20What that means is more average. And I use that stat because he's taking sacks about the same rate, but he's stepping up in the pocket.
5:27He's playing confident again. He's trying throws again, helps have Nico Collins back.
5:31But now this was even before Marvin Harrison Jr.
5:33Got splashed in here that I was still getting optimistic about what this passing tech is and can be.
5:38But now with Marvin Harrison Jr., there's some cool synergy.
5:41I think you and I are on the same page, by the way.
5:44We haven't talked about it at all about how he can fit in there.
5:48But yeah, I think this could be a it's not gonna be always perfect again, but it's gonna be pass heavy and
5:54an explosive passing attack even without his rushing. But they sprinkled in a design run for him in the red zone all
6:00set out of nowhere, which was like, oh, okay, we're doing that now.
6:04But I'm buying what this passing game can be.
6:06Yeah, I had obviously a 45 minute conversation for my YouTube channel with James Coe about Marvin Harrison.
6:11I wrote about Marvin Harrison for my site as well.
6:14I talked about it on this show on Monday.
6:16First time you've ever talked about it. Ever. Ever.
6:19Yeah. Ever. We've had a long extended conversation about Marvin Harrison Jr.
6:22So obviously I've talked about it a ton this week.
6:25I'm sure we'll talk about it tomorrow too, Nate.
6:27So we can kind of maybe save some of our bullets for that one.
6:31But yeah, I agree with a lot of what you said.
6:34We're spread and shred. I think he fits in as the Z receiver here, as you know, I've said, and we'll, I'm sure expand on tomorrow.
6:41But like Jalen Knoll emerging for this team finally, we're gonna have to get Xavier Hutchinson off this depth chart at this point.
6:47Because Jalen Knoll has run more routes than him the last two weeks.
6:51He's been, I think he's run more routes than Kayshawn Bootyer.
6:54It's been pretty close the last two weeks. I know is more in one of these weeks here.
6:58And like, he's been very efficient, been very effective.
7:01What we want to see from him. 64% of the dropbacks the last two weeks, 2.86 yards per route run.
7:06I know you like to see him getting involved as like an insert blocker.
7:10The Texans social media team was highlighting that as well, which was cool to see.
7:14I retweeted a clip from Brandon Thorne, our friend who highlighted that as well.
7:18I mean, look, I know it's like people think, oh, you're fine.
7:21And I saw people in the comments, well, our 5'10 receiver doing that.
7:25That's how we got Tank Dell Hurts. Like, well, no, not really.
7:28Also, Jalen Knoll is a good blocker. And he's a tough, physical, much more sturdy guy.
7:32He's got about 35, maybe more pounds on Tank Dell.
7:35So he can do that stuff. And obviously, he's really good on these big breaking routes.
7:39I love to see Jalen Knolls connect where he finds a void and cover for anyways on what ended up being his touchdown.
7:46And then when he sees, oh, Stroud's in creation mode, he flips it off and runs on a string with him.
7:51And then they find each other. I thought that was really good to see for these guys.
7:56And I don't want to take the cheese too much on the Harrison thing here, but we're showing the clips.
8:01I'm going to say it anyways. I don't want to buy too much of this, but doesn't he already look a little
8:07faster and giving a lot more effort in these practices?
8:10Because back with his Ohio State, buddy. See, some guys, I've always said this.
8:14It's my joke. Seabiscuit the horse had this big fat horse that was his buddy named Pumpkin just to chill him out and calm him down.
8:21That was Jacoby Myers for the whole Jags room last year.
8:24But sometimes a guy needs a pumpkin. And maybe C.J.
8:26Stroud is the pumpkin in a good way for Marvin Harrison Jr.
8:30They have the connection. You said it the same way.
8:32I think Hayden Winks went back to back, you guys talking about it.
8:36And then he comes on to Football 3 on the Sunday recap show.
8:39And then I talk about it. I think we had the without even talking to each other, we had the exact same main point.
8:46It's like he's not an X. Maybe, though, as a Z running in breakers with a quarterback that rips in breakers like his life depends on it.
8:53OK, maybe that is the synergy that we can get back to.
8:56And it kind of could be Ohio State light, just like how Ohio State's been under Ryan Day, where they just spread it out.
9:03They run Y cross over and over. You got the epitome of an X, Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:08And then we both like Jamal Noon. I'm glad he brought up the blocking point because that's why I liked him coming out of college.
9:14It was what if Christian Kirk could block? That was my comparison for him.
9:18And now Xavier Hutchinson drops back down to be the dirty work guy.
9:22I don't know. I can buy into that. And again, underlying stats.
9:25I have my little suplex stat. Of all quarterbacks, there's 26 quarterbacks right now with 100 more pass attempts.
9:30C.J. Stroud is fourth right now. Josh Allen's one.
9:32Brock Purdy's two. Drake Mays three. C.J. Stroud's four.
9:35Goff five. Mahomes six. Burrow seven. Prescott eight. Trevor Lawrence nine.
9:38Matthew Stafford ten. So that's not by mistake that he's ranked up that high.
9:42Those are all the dudes that are playing well right now.
9:45And so let's just lean into it. It's not going to all be perfect, but let's just chuck it, baby.
9:50And I think that's what they realized, too. And weeks two and three, no Nico Collins.
9:54And they weren't playing Noel yet because he was coming off a lot of those injuries.
9:59And that was when he was playing with just guys who just I mean, it's the PPR scam with Dalton Schultz and
10:05a bunch of receivers who don't get open on the boundary.
10:08So I think that's pretty good context there from a fantasy standpoint, too, is QB nine in overall points right now.
10:13So, I mean, there's definitely a lot here from a fantasy standpoint for him to get.
10:18And it's just this is one of those things with these guys.
10:21If the pocket passers are going to throw the football ton and I mean, he has a little bit of rushing juice
10:27does CJ Stroud when he wants to use it.
10:29He just doesn't use it very often. But when these guys are going to throw the ball ton, when they're going to
10:35be in spread concepts like, yeah, he can have Jordan Love, Matthew Stafford, like Kirk Cousins.
10:40All these guys are kind of in the same bucket as Stroud.
10:43It's not too far off of like what Dak Prescott is giving you right now.
10:47I mean, Prescott, I think, can get a little better.
10:50But yeah, I ultimately think this is where this team is going after the Harrison trade.
10:54So he's one of these guys that if you drafted Justin Herbert, whatever, you know, you've gotten off that hopefully by now at this point.
11:01He is definitely someone that I know about my fancy team.
11:04Oh, brother, because because that's how I pivoted. I went from Herbert to Stroud.
11:08I was like, I'm seeing where these are going.
11:10Boom. I'm I am on the I drafted Herbert in the experts league, which is just was I got a lot of problems on that team.
11:17But Herbert was my biggest problem. I pivoted to like Kyler Murray last week.
11:21It was Jacoby reset this week. It's going to be Kirk Cousins.
11:24And I'm hoping like Murray can come back and just keep running like he did before the buy.
11:29So that's where I'm at with that situation here.
11:31I'm not streaming quarterbacks this year. Turns out I am.
11:34Turns out I didn't think I was. But here I am.
11:37But if you are streaming quarterbacks, I think I think we're in agreement that CJ Stroud's in a really good situation here
11:43to be one of those streaming quarterbacks. I just think he's played so much better.
11:47Yeah. Stafford one is kind of where we're at here.
11:50And yeah. And ultimately, too, like Nick Cayley came over from the Rams, and this has been much more of a Patriots team.
11:56You and I have talked about that. But I mean, I think Stroud is pretty equipped to run that, especially now that they have all these eligibles.
12:03I clipped a play on my film burner account where it was against the Cowboys.
12:07And basically, it was. Yeah. Nico runs the vertical X receiver route, which, of course, he stacks and gets open on Duran Bland like everybody does.
12:14Jalen Knoll, kind of the quick little out player who's kind of your check down guy.
12:19And then Xavier Hutchinson was the big end breaker.
12:21I think he kind of should have flattened the route out and gave Stroud a better target.
12:26He doesn't catch it anyways. I'm like, now just imagine that's that's Marvin Harrison instead of Xavier Hutchinson.
12:31I think that looks that looks pretty cool, in my opinion, regardless of what you think about Harrison.
12:36I think it's a nice little upgrade there. OK, so you mentioned Drake May.
12:39I do just want to quickly go back to that one, because, again, he was disappointing to start the season for sure.
12:45We got A.J. Brown coming back here soon. I don't really know what Brown will look like.
12:50It probably won't be this week, but at some point he will be back once he's in the mix here.
12:55Like, what do you think he files in as Kyle Williams showed a little something in limited reps after Chisholm?
13:01I charted A.J. against the Raiders because I'm a sick pup.
13:04So where are we at with this Raider? Excuse me, this Patriots kind of offensive ecosystem that we've had questions about relative to Drake May's performance.
13:11It makes sense. We're talking about, oh, you know, hey, look at the schedule here coming up.
13:15Pretty good schedule here for Drake May. Drake May, the schedule, the narrative lives on.
13:19Yeah, no, actually, part of the optimism is that and it just feels a lot better.
13:24And, you know, I wrote a deep dive on May and the whole Patriots offense and just kind of going like, hey,
13:30you guys can't just keep rolling the ball out and running what you've run for years and years.
13:35And I think McDaniels and Doug Marone, their offensive line coach, they've done a lot of nice things pass game and run
13:41game wise to kind of they're still getting to their staples, but just nice little wrinkles.
13:45And why I bring that all up. I know what May's upside is and what his ceiling is, or at least we've seen that those glimpses of it.
13:52So it's nice that the floor has been risen by the offense a little bit.
13:57It's not just him making miracle throw after miracle throw.
13:59I think Chisholm's first catch was a really nice design where they motioned the running back out, what I call the no man's land.
14:06And you can see the Raiders, Quay Walker going like, I think I have to walk out with a running back.
14:11And then it undresses the defense and may just like, oh, man coverage.
14:15Boom. There's Chisholm for like a 20, 18 yard gain, like right off the bat right there.
14:20There was other plays that Chisholm actually to off a play action where they changed up to design.
14:24They're getting Eli Raritan going a tight end. I'm very high on, but they're actually getting them going on vertical shots as well.
14:31So they're, they've kind of tweaked their personnel. And I think that's even before AJ Brown comes back.
14:36Romeo Dobbs has picked up some OPR, some DPIs now.
14:38That's actually nice. And now imagine AJ Brown being on those vertical elements.
14:42I'm curious of how they kind of move these parts around, but it's not a bad thing.
14:46Like I, that just kind of like how the Texans are.
14:49They don't have maybe the true ace like Nico Collins, but they really do have just enough juice that gets me a
14:55little bit more excited about what this offense could be and not make it as hard on may.
15:00So is he going to be number one every week?
15:03No, but they're playing some weaker defenses. He's always going to have some rushing.
15:07He's, he's scrambling at a high rate. He's a very efficient scrambler right now as well.
15:11He's not taking big hits so that I think that can keep going.
15:15And then the passing game just feels a little bit more alive and the run game actually feels a little bit more alive.
15:21So I've been very encouraged by the past couple of weeks and Bill's defense isn't great.
15:25Raiders defense isn't amazing, but they're tolerable and, and they do some interesting stuff this year.
15:29And, but now we're going against the jets. Who's kind of equivalent, I would say to the Raiders defense, but then the bears defense has weaknesses.
15:36Dolphins defense has a lot going on. Good. Mostly bad.
15:39And then Packers defense is gettable. They're not, but they've been doing some interesting stuff too.
15:44And then they got the lines defense. Like that's just the chunk before the bi-week.
15:48So this should be a nice one. Not true week, week, week defenses, maybe other than the dolphins, but not the Seahawks.
15:54Not even the Steelers defense was actually pretty good.
15:56Not those defenses, the Jaguars defense, which is pretty good.
15:59Like going against maybe some more tolerable schedule here.
16:01Yeah. I just think it matters, especially with the way that offense is designed and other doing some more, some more unique things, which is good.
16:08But I think that's always going to give them an advantage when they go against some of these lesser defenses here.
16:14Let's get to the running backs here. We've got five guys here to talk about.
16:18Jalen Warren is running back 10 in points per game.
16:21Chuba Hubbard is running back six in points per game.
16:23Basial Tootin is running back 14 in overall points, running back 19 in points per game.
16:28Aaron Jones has been unbelievable. Another one of the guys is saving my butt in the experts league.
16:33He is the running back for, excuse me, running back 16 in points per game.
16:37And then Ollie Gordon just dunking on us for having skepticism about him as a waiver wire option.
16:41His last three games has been 12, 12, 14 here.
16:44So of these five guys, who do you think you're buying the most?
16:48Again, what they're putting on tape, their situation, they kind of continue this really strong performance that they're having.
16:53I think the Jalen Warren would be the one man.
16:56That's actually kind of tough. The most I would go with Jalen Warren, but this is hard because I'm going to talk about both sides of my mouth.
17:03So this is one of those where it's like they have to, they're going against the Bucks this week too.
17:09So it's a terrible matchup because the Bucks run defense is really good.
17:12But they have reconfigured their run game. They have started doing stuff that I've been wanting them to do, which is they
17:18should become more of a gap scheme, duo scheme, and just run at you runs with their big, burly, young offensive line.
17:24That's very good. And also with their blocking tight ends and their block, even DK Metcalf, they're blocking receivers right now, but
17:30they just have the Aaron Rodgers conundrum. He's going to always want to get his, and he's going to always want to
17:36do some dink and dunk, but it's like maybe some of these game flows can be good.
17:40Even one where he's barely getting touches, he finishes with that production like he did last week against the Colts.
17:46So I buy into it though. I think they have leaned in.
17:49The Browns game was very telling where they just went, Hey, we're on a duo.
17:53I think their first 10 run plays were duo.
17:56And I think the first couple of weeks before that, they ran it like four or five times.
18:01So I was encouraging to me that was like, they're reconfiguring it.
18:04And why I'm bringing up duo bunches that fits their personnel and it fits his running style really well.
18:09So that's the one I'm buying the most into, even if there's going to be some Rogers frustration where he wants to
18:15do the dink and dunk stuff going against Todd Bowles, especially this week.
18:18But I think long-term there's going to be some real good pop games for him because Warren Warren's a good back, man.
18:24And I think that they're leaning into a run scheme.
18:27That's much better for him. He's okay on zone, but duo and gap stuff is what he's best at.
18:32And they, I think are leaning into that with their whole line.
18:35So yeah, I've been, I've been encouraged what they're doing on offense.
18:39I think it's really good to hear Aaron Rogers talk highly of Jalen Warren.
18:43He also talked really highly of Jeremy Bernard. Like that stuff just really matters with Rogers.
18:47He wants his guys on the field. And if you're not one of his guys, you're not going to get on the football field.
18:53You're not going to get targets. Uh, the last, since week four, Jalen Warren has been on the field for 92% of the snaps.
19:00He's run around on 76% of the dropbacks. He's been targeted on 20% of his routes.
19:04It's not quite at the Kenny Gainwell scam that it was last year, but who cares?
19:09Because Jalen Warren is a significantly better runner, right?
19:11Like he, he fits the scheme to your point that you're talking about here.
19:15So I think it's also, again, some signal here in Mike McCarthy one week ago saying, well, when Rico daddle gets back,
19:21we're going to go back to like kind of a split backfield.
19:24It's gonna be a committee. And then he has this monster game against, uh, the Colts this last week.
19:29And Rogers talks highly about him. And then what do you know?
19:32Mike McCarthy says Jalen Warren is our feature player right now.
19:35Again, that's always tough to trust, but it does feel like there's a storyline building here.
19:40Yep. Again, the Browns game was the one that like stood out to me.
19:43It was like, they're like, Hey, this is the best way we can get taxed this defense.
19:48And that was Warren running right up the gut and doing it in different ways.
19:52Like they're doing different personnel groupings and it just fits what they do.
19:56So, um, or fits their personnel, what they should be doing anyways.
19:59And no. So I, I, that's a great point about Rogers is that it warrants really good in pass pro.
20:04So that's another thing. Rico Donald isn't. So that's another thing.
20:07Rogers is going to trust the guy that's better in pass pro.
20:11So that, that can just lead to always that floor of reps and plays that he's going to be on the field.
20:16I guess. I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I really, would you have thoughts on Basial tootin?
20:22Like every fantasy podcast is talking about Basial tootin as a guy that people should trade for.
20:27You should go buy him. Um, the results haven't quite been there yet, you know, from, uh, these last two games have not really been ideal.
20:34I think he looks great. I think the, the run scheme looks like it fits his style.
20:39So yeah, you do, I guess, do you have any thoughts on, on tootin?
20:42Is he a guy you'd buy or sell rest of season?
20:45It's like, I, this is tough because real football, I'm liking what they're doing, all that stuff, like the usage of him, how he looks real football.
20:53It's not leading to amazing fantasy results though. So it's tough.
20:56It's which one am I, I, I'm buying in that.
20:58He's always going to get those. Like, honestly, what has he been the last 20 something the last few weeks?
21:04That's what it always going to feel like to me, like where it's more running back to ish.
21:09And, you know, he's going to be on the fields for some past pro reps, but then they rotate their backs.
21:14They get Quinn, the Quinn Allen out there and pass pro stuff.
21:18Um, their run game has been good, like it's been successful.
21:21It's been explosive, but they do everything. They pass a ton.
21:24They, they, everybody's got like, Trevor's really the only guy I'm like, want to buy, you know, I know we're going to
21:30talk about some other guys, but it's just one of these things where it's like, it's a good, real football offense.
21:35It's really tough to go like, yeah, this is going to be a fancy smash week.
21:40Cause they lean on different guys every single week.
21:42And, and also they can't get out of their own way.
21:45There's so many tootin plays that have been called back because of holds.
21:49It's penalties that it's like, there's been several explosives that have been called back.
21:52Not that's not his fault at all. So this one's really tough for me where it's like, I was like, if I have them, I'm holding them.
22:00If I can like, but in other senses, I'm like, kind of like, I think there's always gonna be kind of a
22:06ceiling because they spread it around so much. And just what this offense does, uh, like where I'm not going to go,
22:12like he's going to end up running back five for the rest of the year.
22:16But if you have them great, like start them every week, he's going to get touches and they have a pretty good,
22:22they have a really good offense and a good eco.
22:24System for him to always get kind of nice touches.
22:27That's partly why I don't want to overthink this too much.
22:30Like I hear all, all of what you're saying on this.
22:33I mean, some of the reasons to be concerned, but don't you think.
22:36The famous last words, don't you think some of these mistakes, like the holds that won't happen as much or like clean up.
22:43I'll just, just get out of his own way at the goal line with some of these goofball plays that they've called here.
22:49Because if you were like, if you were to tell me, Nate, middle of August, if you were to tell me that
22:55the Jaguars through five weeks are going to be third in zone rushing success rate as a zone based team, which, which
23:01they are, uh, they were going to be fifth in yards after contact per rush attempt.
23:05And Basial Tootin was going to have 61 carries to, uh, excuse me, 82 carries to 28 for Chris Rodriguez.
23:11I'd be like, Oh, Basial Tootin is returning your second round fantasy value.
23:14And the offense is one of the best in the league.
23:17So there's just, this is the thing. There's so many indicators that say, Hey, this should be better than it has been for Tootin so far.
23:24And I don't, I don't, I think you and I both are in agreement that he's not failing the eye test by any means.
23:31So it just feels like it should happen at some point, but he does have some, some questions in terms of just
23:37the targets out of the backfield, the goal line rush attempts that, you know, haven't quite been there yet.
23:42Yeah. And that's, that's the thing too, is the targets out of the backfield is they just have so many miles to feed.
23:48That's like, they don't need them. Yeah. And maybe a week there is that they need them and all that.
23:53But so, I mean, that's a Jacob Gibbs. Yeah.
23:56Great stat here. It's like, he's always got this floor up.
23:59He's going to get the 60 to 80 rushing yards, but it's never feel like there's going to be that 170 yard
24:05to game, 120 yard game with two touchdowns. Like everyone's going to kind of get there.
24:09So that's why it's hard. It's like, I think it's a good floor, but a capped ceiling.
24:14So I know that's why I'm kind of like sound like I'm talking all over the place about them because it's good.
24:20It's just not a huge ceiling razor. I don't know if that's the best way to put it, but that's how I'm going to put it.
24:27Makes complete sense. Last one running back. I want to ask about, unless you've got big thoughts on Hubbard and Gordon, because
24:33this guy feels like a great, maybe a sell high.
24:35Like this is the right moment is Aaron Jones, Minnesota Vikings.
24:38He's been excellent. He's been excellent for this team and is taking a ton of work.
24:43And you and I talked about this, I think on 301 a couple of weeks ago that they just needed to, and
24:49we both have the same conclusion, which is they just needed to take their zone run game and throw it in the trash.
24:55And they kind of have last week on his touchdown.
24:58They pull the guard. There's a, there's a fullback to lead and he just pops up like big time physical run for
25:04quote, old man, Aaron Jones pops that thing into the end zone.
25:07It's just, can this party continue to go on with Aaron Jones's injury history?
25:11He got a little nicked up in that game.
25:13Jordan Mason is coming back. What do you expect this offense to look like upon the return of Jordan Mason when they come back from by this week?
25:21Yeah, this is nothing against Aaron Jones, but this is a, it feels to me like a great sell high because of
25:27Mason coming back because Jones just at his age and his, his touch and injury history, it's always kind of like a ticking time bomb.
25:33It's like, when's it going to happen? When's he going to miss four games?
25:37Like when is it going to happen at this point in the season?
25:41So it's like, if you've got them, like you just mentioned at the beginning of the show, it's like, great.
25:46Like, and I do think that they are figuring out their, their run game and everything.
25:50Like they, that's a great point. I think it was, they had 15 carries zone carries, uh, this past week.
25:56Nice little projection. Oh, by week. That's right. Um, 15 carries zone carries.
25:59And it was like a 33% success rate. And then they had 10 gap or duo carries and it was a 50% success rate.
26:06So it's like, that's just, I test it's just, there's proof there that they're better at this Mason might be kind of hard though.
26:12Cause Mason's always been on a zone runner. Cause that's what just teams he's been on.
26:17Yeah. You would think that he could be good at the gap and duo stuff, but that's never been on offense that he's really leaned into.
26:24So I'm not even sure I can like put my, hang my head on like kind of that analysis, but I do
26:30think it'll become more of a split. Even if Jones is healthy, because just, that's what it is.
26:35Like, I think they want to save touches and save the juice of Jones throughout this entire season.
26:39And I think Mason's just going to eat into a little bit of that.
26:43And I mean, he's getting so many touches so far.
26:46So it's like, he's going to absolutely eat into that in some way, shape or form.
26:50But I do think the Vikings ecosystem is getting healthier and they're figuring out their formula for this season.
26:55Um, like that as an aside. Okay. I lied.
26:58I do want to ask about Ollie Gordon and the dolphins before we move on here.
27:02Um, I, I think Ollie Gordon's a good back.
27:05Uh, my skepticism on Ollie Gordon as a waiver wire option was not that, oh yeah, he's going to, he stinks or anything like that.
27:11It's just, Hey, it wasn't working out for Devon H and how is it going to work out for Ollie Gordon?
27:17Who's not as dynamic of a talent as Devon H and yet the last two weeks, it's really worked out for Ollie Gordon.
27:23Uh, since Devon H and went down 24, 55 at a touch 11, a hundred and touch 1888 at touch.
27:29I mean, 29 touches compared to 11 for Jalen, right?
27:31The last two weeks, if you look at some of the opportunity metrics, 73% of the touches go to Ollie Gordon, sub 28% for Jalen, right?
27:38Uh, he's run a route on 51% of the dropbacks.
27:41Jalen Wright has run a route on under 8% of the dropbacks.
27:44So goal line opportunities. He's, he's been getting there on that.
27:47What are your thoughts on Gordon as a player and any thoughts on the dolphins offense, which obviously stinks from a results
27:53perspective, but maybe from a process standpoint, Nate. Yeah, it's been good process.
27:57Like they actually do some interesting stuff. I talked about this Derek class and yesterday on football three one, where we did silver linings for bad teams.
28:04And I was like, it's their tank is right on schedule.
28:07Yeah. It's, it's their tank is like, this is how a tank should look like.
28:11They're not good, but they're trying to do stuff with their young players.
28:15They're not just running their heads against the wall.
28:17They're doing some really interesting run game stuff. Like they tried stuff against the Vikings rather than just go, Oh, we can't do anything.
28:24Um, and I think they're going to feed there.
28:26And I think, you know, because of the old line coach and because of Bobby Slocke, they're going to be a run first team.
28:33So Ollie Gordon is a Haas. Like he's a big dude.
28:36And I think they're just going to run them.
28:38Like, I, I really do think that. And he's had a little bit, a little bit of pop to him.
28:43Um, and I think that's some of them because with the run game, they do, they don't run as many RPOs as
28:49I thought they were going to, which is a good thing for Gordon, because those are true runs and the runs where
28:55the receivers are blocking the safeties, which can lead to explosive runs as opposed to running a route.
29:00So I do think this is real. If you scooped them up in the waiver wire, way to go.
29:05Jalen Wright has shown that he's not dependable. So that's part of it too.
29:09So it's not like, Oh no, they got a young talent, a guy they want to get touches to.
29:14So yeah, I think if you got Gordon, like have fun with it because I think that's like, there was a great
29:20waiver ad and I think he's going to get a bunch of touches.
29:24It's just more, they're, they're not a good team.
29:26So it's always going to be susceptible to that.
29:29Like, you know, they're going to get, but they play teams like the jets this week, you know, or after the buy.
29:35So I do think that they have some nice matchups.
29:37They play the Colts in a couple of weeks.
29:40So they got the bills a week after that.
29:42So it's not like they're playing a murderers row of defenses.
29:45The Patriots defense is pretty good, but it's not like a murderers row.
29:49So they're going to be in some of these games where he's going to still get those touches, but yeah, have fun
29:55with it because I do think that the offense is trying stuff, even if it's not great.
29:59Yeah. Dolphins are fifth in percentage of runs that come on gap concepts, according to the numbers I have here.
30:05And that feels like a Bobby slow. Like, Hey, you guys said I couldn't do gap scheme when I was in his own.
30:11Yeah. Guess what? I'm going to press that button.
30:13I'm a Shanahan guy. Watch this shit. So, yeah.
30:16And Hey, look, now we've got a big burly back to do it with.
30:20So maybe that's why it's happening for Gordon and not happening for Devon H.
30:23And that was, that was a really good explanation by you there.
30:27Okay. I've saved it long enough here. We're doing wide receivers now.
30:30Okay. Okay. Okay. Here we go. And before we, before we have the list, I told you, and I told producer Colin,
30:36I want to play a little clickbait game here with Parker Washington, who was not one of the guys we were going
30:42to talk about, because I think we've just all established like, yeah, Parker Washington is awesome.
30:46But I want to ask you, Nate, how awesome is Parker Washington?
30:49And I will ask it to you this way.
30:52I'm going to list off wide receivers. You tell me when I should stop when I get to somebody that is not,
30:58is, is not better than Parker Washington, that you wouldn't rank higher than Parker Washington.
31:02Okay. I've, I've, so you, these are, this is the parameters of the clickbait game.
31:06So, so I, so I'm, I'm listening. So I'm saying, tell you to stop when the player is better than Parker Washington,
31:12when the player is no, when the player is that you would take Parker Washington ahead of this guy.
31:17Like, okay. Okay. So like my number one guy is Justin Jefferson.
31:20I assume you're going to say yes. Okay. Yeah.
31:23All right. Number two, Jamar chase. Number three, Jackson Smith and Jigba.
31:26Number four, Puka Nakua. Number five, CD lamb. Number six, Nico Collins.
31:29Number seven. I'm on Ross St. Brown. This is like kind of my personal wide receiver quality rankings, by the way, this
31:35is not the same as mine too. Yeah. We're on the same wavelength here.
31:39We talk a lot. Number eight, Drake London. Number 10, Malik neighbors.
31:42Number nine, Malik neighbors. Sorry. I can count. Number 10, Chris Olave.
31:45Number 11. Don't think about age here. Just think about player.
31:48Mike Evans. Number 12, George Pickens. Number. Now we're getting into a range.
31:52Yeah. Okay. Number 13. Zay flowers. It's a tough one.
31:55Oh, I kind of, I kind of prefer Parker there.
31:57So that's, yeah, we're now we're going to, I kind of prefer Parker and just the weirdest way.
32:02Just some of the other stuff that he can do on top of what's that he can do, but go, What's the next one.
32:09So, cause I want to be here. Wilson. Garrett Wilson.
32:11Oh, I would take Parker over Garrett Wilson. I, Oh, you would take Parker.
32:15Okay. Murder for that. Am I going to get murdered for that?
32:18But that's also real football sets too. I appreciate what Garrett is, but this is the range.
32:23I'm considering Parker Washington in right now. Catches everything.
32:26So he walks inside, outside returns punts. Like this dude rocks.
32:28Like he is a really good wide receiver. I don't know what else to say.
32:33I mean, I mean, I'm going to make, make me stop 30 million, 31 million.
32:3732. My, my next guys were going to be, my next guys are going to be like Tedro McMillan.
32:42You know, you get, you get into like the Jalen Coker zone, T Higgins zone.
32:46Yeah. But I think this is the, this is the Terry McLaurin.
32:49Like this is the aisle we're shopping in here.
32:52It's a top 15 NFL receiver, top 15 NFL receiver.
32:54And I mean, he is right now the wide receiver nine in fantasy.
32:58He's coming off a wide receiver, three level performance from this past weekend.
33:01And if you just go back to December of last year in the regular season to now, so playoffs included, this is
33:07yards per game from, from all wide receivers, Pukunakua, 124, Chris, Talave, one or two JSN 95.
33:12Zay flowers, 94. I'm going to Ross St. Brown, 88.9 Parker, Washington, 85.9 CD lamb, 84.
33:16That's all the guys who are above 80 yards per game in that span.
33:20So top six production, which you could say, Oh, production's inflated because Liam Cohen's offense, whatever, whatever.
33:25But we're saying like, no, he's a, he's a top 15 NFL receiver.
33:28If Garrett Wilson or Zay flowers was producing like Parker Washington in this long, I mean, Zay flowers is kind of producing
33:34at this level, but that's a bad example. Garrett Wilson, or, you know, one of these guys was doing it.
33:39We'd all be like, Hey, George Pickens. He did it last year.
33:43Everybody's totally on board. Like, of course he's that type of process.
33:46He's that type of player. He's that type of prospect.
33:49I mean, Parker Washington is that type of player right now.
33:52So I just want to kind of wanted to get a gauge where you are from like, is this real standpoint?
33:57It certainly feels like you are saying it is very, very real.
34:01Oh yeah. And it's one of these where he does in such different ways every week.
34:05Like there's the, I mean, his hands are phenomenal.
34:07Some of the best in the game, like period.
34:10Doesn't matter. No, no caveats there. Like period contested catches, how he catches over the middle red zone, ed zone stuff, like over the head getting hit.
34:17He gets designs in the red zone in this offense for a reason, because he's so good on those.
34:22There's a reason he's a punt returner because it's just, he's trustworthy and he has a little bit dynamic ability.
34:28I always come back to the Broncos game too, last year where it was just like, he was torching them and some,
34:34you know, a couple of broken plays, but he did it in like three different ways, you know, outbreak or underneath intermediate.
34:40Now he's catching fade balls and go balls and posts and stuff.
34:43So it's a complete receiver. Is he the most, is he the fastest?
34:46No, but he's just really, really good. Like he's just, yeah, he's just good at what he does at playing wide receiver.
34:52And he can just do everything. They ask vertical intermediate underneath screens, blocking just does everything well.
34:57So no, I, that's the thing I'm with you.
34:59I, all that, that's a really tough list because it's like, I think gun to head, I'd be taking like T Higgins,
35:05you know, and probably maybe in Tetra Mcmillan and everything, but it's like, that's the thing he's in that tier.
35:11He's not just like a little though. So in fairness, I know, I know he's just, he's just, but I think that's a great point.
35:17It's just that he is just in that tier of what, whatever you want to call that tier two, whatever, whatever you
35:23want to call that type of group of receivers, but man, he's, he's awesome.
35:27Yeah. It's maybe, maybe bottom. Yeah. Well, you are a sizes.
35:30Come on. I mean, you're like bottom of maybe bottom of tier two, maybe tip, tippy, tippy top of tier three.
35:36Um, you know, well, I know again, if we're being introspective here, I mean, you and I are a long time Parker, Washington guys.
35:42Like I've mentioned this before on the show, but we're texting about park.
35:46Yeah. Texting about Parker, Washington. I can remember like being on, walking on my treadmill in my garage and El Segundo.
35:52And I lived in California. That was like four years ago at this point.
35:55Time flies, baby. I was on when we texted about him.
35:58So funny that we were both working out when texting about him.
36:02Parker, Washington gets the juices flowing. What can, what can we say?
36:05Um, so yeah, we're long time like supporters of Washington, but if you know how this goes sometimes, like does the general
36:11consensus get ahead of even you, when you get like, when you're high on a player.
36:15And I think that kind of has happened, but I think based on what we're seeing so far, we really do buy this.
36:21And, you know, obviously people know I chart routes, the route charts are, are popular.
36:25And Parker Washington, when he was, uh, as a, when he finally got moved from the boundary to the slot and Cohen's
36:31offense last year, he had like a 83% success rate versus zone coverage and reception perception, which by the way would be
36:37like the Garrett Wilson, the Z flowers, like those, that area of players.
36:41But also I don't just chart route folks. I don't just chart routes.
36:44I tweeted this out this weekend. Uh, I chart everything.
36:47Uh, I think it's pretty easy to argue that Parker Washington 2025 was the best open field runner among all wide receivers.
36:53I charted, uh, like he had the lowest percentage of his open field attempts that he was brought down on first contact.
36:59Obviously he is a punt returner that you saw that on the 51 yard touchdown.
37:03And he was in space a lot as a, as a slot based player.
37:07So broke multiple tackles on 25%. He was brought down on first contact on 25% of the plays I charted.
37:12You're at the same rate of broken, like multiple broken tackles and brought them down on first contact.
37:17You're a baller. And he had, uh, the sixth best contested catch rate I charted, but he was the only guy in
37:23the top six that had a above average, like high contested catch rate.
37:27So he had some weird drops last year, but ultimately, yeah, I mean, he's, he's an elite ball winner despite the fact that he's five, 10 and whatever.
37:34Yeah. So even just looking at other underlying stats, like, okay, everybody loves yards per route run.
37:39So this is since the beginning of last year, he's 12th, 12th among all receivers, right?
37:43Like, and it's, it's all the dudes above him.
37:46So George Pickens is 11th. Jamar chase is 13th.
37:48Yeah. He's at 2.2 yards per crystal lava is at 14th, you know?
37:52And so it's like a bunch of those dudes.
37:54I'm on rustling Brown's ninth, which actually is kind of a usage comparison to him as well.
37:59But explosive route explosives per route. He's eight, you know, and again, this is a guy that doesn't just have to live off.
38:05It's not like Alec Pierce, you know, Alec Pierce is going to be up there with a ton of explosives because that's how he, that's how he wins.
38:12Parker does everything. So you mentioned the open field stuff.
38:15And then now he's at in the vertical element as well.
38:18And just like first, first downs per route run, he's at 9%, which is exactly what you want him to be at.
38:24So it's just good yardage. It's guy, he's moving the chains.
38:27Now he's gathering up explosives and now he's getting red zone touches as well.
38:31So it's just a complete receiver right now. And if I had like one criticism, like my, like about, about his profile
38:37from 2025, that didn't necessarily get better. Once he moved into the slot was how much can you consistently win against like
38:43press man coverage, which you get hidden in the slot with this kind of stuff.
38:47I think this year he's taken a massive leap in forward in that regard on these big breaking vertical routes.
38:52So it's kind of just like check, check, check, check, check, check, check, A lot of box.
38:57He is here. We are checking on Parker Washington.
38:59So there's your quick base or his touch, two touchdowns against the Eagles.
39:03One was a bootleg. They broke attack or he made guys, a bunch of guys miss on our new throw.
39:08And then the other is he's a fourth down dunking on, I wouldn't say dunking, but coming down and contested against Rick
39:14Wolin, who's six, four, you know, 200 and whatever pounds has arms, like a pterodactyl.
39:18So it's just like, those are, that's exactly where we're talking about.
39:21So those two different types of touches. And it's funny, sorry, Garrett Wilson was the guy I made him stop.
39:27His other stats, like success rate per route are like literally right there.
39:30Him and Garrett Wilson are right next to each other.
39:33But Parker has more kind of yards per hour.
39:36And so it's kind of funny that they're actually next to each other in these stats too.
39:40Yeah. It's just, I mean, if you think about receiver play, he just is, he's there with, he's one of the toughest
39:46players to cover in the league right now. Cause he gets separation.
39:49He's great route runners. Timing is great with his quarterback too.
39:52I mean, Trevor loves him. I always come back to the interview that I did with Trevor at the Superbowl this year,
39:58where he, I'm like having him scout all of his receivers and he doubles back to talk about how awesome he thinks Parker Washington is.
40:05So there's that. And then, yeah, he's one of the best ball winners in the NFL.
40:09He's one of the best, like when you get the ball in his hands, one of the best players there.
40:15So it's just checking all the boxes. So there's your clickbait segment on, on Parker Washington, just where he ranks among NFL receivers.
40:21So we're clearly buying there. And I desperately need to put him ahead of some of the dudes.
40:26I have him behind in my dynasty ranking. So I need to catch up to my own thoughts on that one.
40:32I apologize to my subscribers out there. Okay. Okay.
40:34Here's the other guys. I just want to like, give you a quick list on, we're not going to talk about all
40:40these players, but give me some of the guys that, you know, you're kind of buying here.
40:45Christian Watson, wide receiver, three, Matthew golden, wide receiver, 11, Denzel Boston, wide receiver, 18, Michael Wilson, wide receiver, 20, Devon, wide
40:51receiver, 23, Stefan Diggs, wide receiver, 29. So who are you most comfortable with their performance relative to what you're seeing on tape and their environment and everything?
40:58The two Packers receivers, obviously they're coming off a huge week, but now that the offensive line is, it's not good.
41:04It's tolerable. It's just not the worst thing we've ever seen.
41:07Yeah. It's not the worst thing we've ever seen.
41:09I'm curious more about their run game and how sticky that is, but I know what Jordan love and how he likes to play.
41:16And he's, I mean, their offense just went, Hey, we're just going bombs away.
41:20Like we're not going to nickel and dime anymore.
41:22Like we are just launching some stuff. And I think Watson's playing phenomenal.
41:26And just like his hands are so much better now.
41:28He's so much more confident, but then golden and they work off each other so well.
41:33Cause both of these guys can be the deep guy.
41:35Both of these guys can be the intermediate guy.
41:38And that's offense is a lot of routes that work deep and intermediate.
41:41And top of it with our guy, Tucker craft is kind of like the cherry on top.
41:46So I'm buying into both of those guys. I'm really buying into Watson.
41:49Cause he still is the number one, but he looks awesome.
41:52Golden to yeah. But golden too, is like, this is what they expected.
41:56This is what they wanted out of him, how much he can bring as well.
42:00So those two, I'm definitely buying with that offensive ecosystem is right now.
42:03Cause again, Oh, it's more about the old line than maybe their ability, but because now the old line is not getting Jordan love killed.
42:10Every time they snapped the ball, that is going to really, really kind of make it all feel a lot better.
42:16I think that makes so much sense. And I don't know if you feel the same way.
42:20I Christian Watson was a guy. I didn't really like early on in his career.
42:25It was pretty mixed on him as a prospect.
42:27He's made so, yeah, he's made so many improvements incrementally.
42:30The last two years after coming back from the ACL, I thought his zone coverage recognition and breaks really improved last year.
42:36This year, I think he's taking a big step forward against man coverage on some of the, I mean, he just runs all these downfield routes.
42:43It's crazy that he's as efficient as he is when he's just running these big vertical breakers.
42:47So I think he's really improved. I'm definitely buying, especially how concentrated it is between Watson and golden.
42:52I think you can totally buy that. That's if there's, it's just them too, which them too, that's it all around.
42:58And they're doing a lot more like 12 with Mark Redman on the field.
43:02So it's like, that's their base personnel. Essentially. It's like those two tight ends with Tucker craft and these two receivers.
43:07And we're just going to, that's, that's a good thing because that means the balls are going to be a lot of balls going their way.
43:14And it's a lot of juicy opportunities down the field.
43:17Yeah. I mean, how often is like Mark Redman even getting a pass route and certainly getting a target?
43:22That's the thing. That's exactly. This is what you want.
43:25You want your teams from a fantasy standpoint, you want these guys to be in heavy personnel packages and you want the
43:31receivers to be getting these big chunky downfield routes, which both of these guys are doing right now.
43:36So these other four players, if you had to pick a hole, like a guy that you think is maybe actually, you're
43:42not buying what they're going to produce rest of season.
43:44Denzel Boston. I feel like Nate's not going to say Denzel Boston, Michael Wilson, Devon Valey, or Stefan digs.
43:50I actually have a Denzel Boston stat from my friend Keegan Avenue next in stats.
43:54I'll look it up in one sec, but no, the one I would sell is Michael Wilson a little bit.
43:59Um, and that's just because, uh, because I just don't really trust that Cardinals offense.
44:03And it's the least explosive offense in the NFL right now.
44:06Like they are like dead last and explosive dropback rate, dead last and explosive run rate or second to last.
44:12I think in that, I know what Jacoby Brissett is.
44:14So it's going to be more, it's going to be a lot of Trey McBride.
44:18Michael Wilson's going to be more underneath. It's just, they have no space in this offense.
44:23Michael Wilson would thrive with a guy that actually we've talked about us now for like three years.
44:27They need a guy to take the top off and then Wilson could really thrive in those kinds of other areas.
44:33So it's just more of like, not no offense to Wilson.
44:36It's more the ecosystem with the Cardinals while solid and efficient.
44:39It's a lot. I don't know. The game scripts are going to be tough.
44:43And on top of it, like there, it's just not going to be an explosive passing game.
44:48That's going to ding him a little bit because it's going to be a lot of like six catches, 54 yards, you
44:53know, as opposed to big blow up weeks. And that's, there's just a cap I think on him this year.
44:59Even if I do like the player a lot and I still like him for dynasty reasons, just more like this season,
45:05just tough sledding with that ecosystem right now. Yeah.
45:07I'm interested to see like when they eventually get to Carson Beck, what it looks like, but that's a total unknown to Brissette.
45:14At least we know what it is. And we know these guys can have some chemistry.
45:18I mean, it's, I, I think it will be fine.
45:21Ultimately with, um, obviously Marvin Harrison jr was playing the sacrificial X receiver role, which I don't, Michael Wilson is not playing that role.
45:27He's not like he's been suddenly put in that position.
45:30He's still the guy. And I, I think Michael Wilson is a really good X receiver.
45:34Uh, and I think he'll get a lot of looks.
45:37It's just the environment here. And this is always going to be the problem with Cardinals receivers is they're going to be
45:43the number two option behind Trey McBride who runs all the gimme layup routes, uh, all the stick and everything like that,
45:49that, that Jacoba set's going to want to get to pretty quickly.
45:52So, um, definitely I, it was a big shock to see him have the performance that he did against Detroit.
45:57I still think it will be okay, but wouldn't be the worst, like sell high moment on Michael Wilson might've been like
46:03the, the time to do it might've been Saturday, uh, before the game with the Marvin Harrison trade room, and all that,
46:09but I still think there's a decent, check it out.
46:12Yeah. I still think there's a decent opportunity, um, to do it here potentially.
46:16And I do think Michael Wilson is a really good player.
46:19I actually want you to save your Denzel Boston, um, stat for football three Oh one.
46:23Cause, uh, Dwayne McFarlane and I just talked about him yesterday.
46:26So we'll, we'll have a full Denzel Boston love fest, uh, on three Oh one tomorrow.
46:30But so I, cause yeah, I mean, he's a tough one.
46:33Dwayne made a really good case yesterday for him to be a fantasy sell high, but I'm not going to say, I mean, Boston's such a stud.
46:41So we'll, we'll talk about him tomorrow. Um, real quick on the tight ends before we move on, uh, Pat Frymuth, tight
46:47end, eight Don Kincaid, tight end, 13, Chigarh Conquo, tight end, uh, 46.
46:50Any of these guys you think like, I mean, Kincaid's interesting to talk about cause his production is completely evaporated.
46:56I have my theories based on just the lack of verticality at receiver and can't get into 13 personnel stuff.
47:01Uh, I talked about that with Hayden and Josh on stats versus film, but any sort of thoughts on Kincaid and what's happened with him of late?
47:08It's now that they, man, there's really the game flow too, for them wasn't as past heavy.
47:13And it was, or at least against the Rams.
47:15And it was more just like, Hey, we're going to run the ball.
47:19And also in that meeting, run the ball. Also have Josh Allen run on scrambles, not even getting rid of the throw.
47:25Um, I thought the Patriots just did a really good job snuffing them out.
47:29That was more like a really good game plan by the Patriots.
47:32Patriots defense is good. Um, and I think the Rams one was more of a game script thing as well.
47:37Uh, and I think the Rams are actually really good against tight ends as well.
47:41Um, just overall this season. So he plays so much time.
47:44So it makes sense. Yeah. And that's tough for Kincaid who wants to win as basically a glorified slot.
47:50Um, so I would put it this way. Kincaid is more of a matchup dependent guy than a, like start him every
47:55week, set him, forget it, which I don't know.
47:58It kind of feels like last year for him.
48:00If I can talk about a guy I want to buy, if you almost, you want to talk more Kincaid is that,
48:06uh, Chig, I, I definitely would say by because it's just how Jane Daniels coming back and what Jane Daniels prefers.
48:12Um, he had a great chemistry with Zach Ertz.
48:14And I think Chig right now is better than Zach Ertz at tail end of Zach Ertz's career.
48:19I know he's playing again for the Eagles, getting vertical routes thrown to him on the outside.
48:24But I, there's, this is one where it's just kind of like, if you want to buy low or just sneaky or
48:30sign them or whatever, or get them off the waiver wire, whatever it is.
48:34I do think that he is going to have great chemistry with Jane Daniels.
48:37Even if I do like Antonio Williams and what he brings to the table and when Terry's out there, what they do,
48:43Chig is going to get a lot of opportunities.
48:46And I think he's got a little dynamic ability to, with some yak afterwards, different than like Zach Ertz tripping after as soon as he catches it.
48:53So that's where like a sneaky kind of buy low or whatever you want to say, like, um, your waiver wire ad for the rest of the season.
49:01Cause I just think the chemistry with Daniels. Yeah.
49:03I mean, tight ends has gone from a lot, a lot of deep central options here.
49:08We've got a lot of interesting ones that is suddenly starting to evaporate again.
49:11So I think Chig or Conqua maybe off the waiver wire can certainly help some people out.
49:16Okay. Good segment on buys and sells. We'd love to see it.
49:19Really good discussion on Parker Washington. That, that, that, uh, that was fun.
49:23Okay. We're going to take a quick break. We come back Thursday night football preview Seahawks Broncos.
49:27We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back Thursday night football Seahawks two and a half point road favorites going to Denver.
49:34We got a 40 and a half point over under here.
49:37Oh my God. If you've liked, if you have enjoyed watching the Broncos offense lately, you're really going to love seeing it.
49:43It's the Seattle Seahawks offense or defense here. Um, Nate, we put Jalen Waddle and the entire Broncos offense in the coping corner with Boone earlier this week.
49:51Um, you have any hope here as they go?
49:53You have any hope here? I, I've already kind of had some notes on this game.
49:57I did a different show. I didn't mean a show and I was, we're previewing it and it was like, all right,
50:03well you can kind of sort of get the zone runs against the Seahawks defense, but the Broncos run game, like they're
50:09actually okay on zone runs, but they, the running backs don't have any juice to like make anything happen.
50:14So it's like three yard gains, three yard gains.
50:17Oh, okay. Um, all right. So backfield targets. Okay.
50:19You can get that with this. There's a Seahawks on some screens and stuff, but when you make the whole boat out
50:25of, that's all you do backfield targets. Yeah. They're going to be kind of clued in on keyed in on that.
50:31So it's more of like a testing, proving ground thing for next narrative game, whatever you want to put it, but it's
50:37against the worst defense that he could try and do it.
50:40The ways to beat the Seahawks defense are beat them over the top and, and just try and be aggressive.
50:45And Nick's just isn't doing that and extending plays, which Nick's is not doing right now either.
50:50And whether that's an ankle thing, whether that's him trying to win from the pocket, I don't know.
50:55It's just one of these where it's like the things that have to change.
50:59Usually when it's like this, all right, all right, get more training wheels for the quarterback.
51:03There do you have, it's our whole thing is training wheels.
51:06Get a changed play caller. They, they already did that improve personnel.
51:09They, they went for waddle. It's like, what other reinforcements do you, do you need?
51:13So we'll see my props while I'm trying to lean on some of this stuff, but the Seahawks defense that plays so
51:19top down, they want you to throw underneath that.
51:22That's literally what their whole game plan is about for quarterbacks to throw underneath.
51:25And then they just tee off on them. So it's, it's like, he's got to do something that he hasn't been willing
51:31to do at least this season, really beyond, but he's got to do it.
51:35That's the only way to create breathing room against the Seahawks defense.
51:38That's still really good. Yeah. To your point with the past catching running backs, too.
51:42I mean, the Broncos throw to running backs, 26 and a half percent of their targets.
51:47That's the most in the league ahead of the San Francisco 49 is who have the, who have Christian McCaffrey.
51:52You don't want to be ahead. The whole office is based on those targets.
51:56Josh Norris had a, had a pretty interesting theory.
51:58I think it was on last week's recap show.
52:01Maybe it was on, um, on stats versus film going after, uh, after week four.
52:05So going into week five, where could they just essentially shelve JK Dobbins and make RJ Harvey kind of the feature player?
52:11Cause he's got more juice and they're already thrown in the ball ton.
52:14And that's exactly the opposite of what happened. Um, I thought it was a good theory and I thought it made some
52:20sense, but then it's exactly the opposite of what happened because like they just slammed, uh, JK Dobbins up the gut for
52:26a bunch of carries that pretty much went nowhere.
52:29And it just, I don't really don't know where this offense goes from here.
52:33It's a nightmare for fantasy. Cause it's so spread out too.
52:36I thought that it would really be concentrated around Jalen Waddle, but it's kind of hard to judge anything from an outcome
52:41target standpoint because the quarterback's like not making the right reads.
52:44This is, you get into this stuff too, where it's like, well, you guys don't know what the reads are, um, which, you know, is fair.
52:51Like we're not in the meeting rooms and everything, but you watch enough concepts.
52:55You watch enough film, you know where it's, it's not supposed to do that against this coverage in this moment.
53:01So yeah, and I, I don't listen. I think some of the stuff is fair, uh, in terms of, okay, again, you
53:07guys don't know where the ball is supposed to go.
53:09I know the ball is not supposed to go to RJ Harvey again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
53:16So, um, I don't know, man, this is really tough.
53:19And I, I don't see a lot of ways where I think at some point, Bo Nix can get back on track
53:25and, you know, be an average quarterback. Cause we've seen him flirt with being an average quarterback.
53:29At times, but I don't think this is the week against the Seahawks.
53:33Nope. Running is how he has to get some, to be more viable, whether as a scrambler or extending plays and not
53:39extending plays where he's leaving the pocket early and then throwing a missile at his running backs feet.
53:44Like it's extending plays and then throwing down the field.
53:46Uh, and he's just not doing that right now, which is what even made him viable before, because he has turned down throws.
53:53That's been his thing throughout his whole career, but he had other ways to make himself kind of like be decent, like you mentioned.
53:59But right now it's just, it's not, it's not.
54:02And it's, but again, it's going against a defense.
54:04That's like, it's the worst defense you could go against right now because they, they're going to just tee off on the
54:10stuff he wants to do and the stuff that he should be doing.
54:14That's not what he's doing right now, which is pushing the ball, especially over the middle, which he does not do, um, either.
54:20So it's just, it's going to be a lot like launch plays and hopefully one of four hits, but he hasn't even
54:26been willing to do the launch plays right now.
54:28It's, it's pretty rough. Uh, yeah. Like his attempts at 10 or more yards, he's 25th right now.
54:33Uh, he's yeah, about 10% below average, like just for comparison.
54:36Uh, he throws 10 or more area yards on 28% of his throws.
54:40Trevor Lawrence throws at 44% of his throws. And that just like feel the difference of their offense is so much.
54:45Because he's willing to push it, push it, push it, especially over the middle.
54:49Other than that, though. yeah, other than that though.
54:51So there's, there's all that goodness. Uh, let's hear my props.
54:54Yes. Let's, let's talk Seattle. Cause most of your props are on the Seahawks and they're the other end of it where
55:00they're the most concentrated, uh, offense in the NFL.
55:03It all goes around Jackson Smith and Jigba. Um, the run game has definitely been disappointing, which is just, I think mostly a running.
55:09I think the running game actually looks pretty well designed and Emmanuel Wilson, when he just follows the holes is, is fine.
55:15Yeah. Right. But it's Emmanuel Wilson, Zach Charbonate, probably not going to return for this game, but they're desperate to get him back soon.
55:22So it feels like Nate, if they're going to have success, it will happen through the past game here.
55:27So I know you got a lot of past game props on this one.
55:31Yeah. And it's more designery. Cause Jason, again, is the ACE it's Millie.
55:34It's Morgan, the auxiliary receivers going. And that's where a lot of the props are.
55:38I'll get the Broncos one out of the way because it's everything we already hit.
55:42Uh, RJ Harvey over three and a half receptions minus one Oh five, because again, the Seahawks push, push, push, push, push their DBs back.
55:49And then they rally and tackle underneath. I can see that bone X going like, okay, here we go.
55:54Throw the RJ. Like, so I can, I can see screens as well.
55:58So RJ Harvey over three and a half receptions, but I've AJ Barner, you know, a, a, our Wednesday show favorite anytime touchdown plus 360.
56:05Um, and also have him over 21 and a half receiving, which is minus one 30.
56:09Last time I checked and went down or up.
56:11Uh, but I do think that the Broncos defense, they're going to be out PS two, probably going to have rally Moss
56:17in their tight end targets is a way to get them.
56:20They're bottom 10 against tight end targets. Um, in terms of EPA and success rate, RJ, RJ, RJ, AJ Barner.
56:26I don't think it's going to be like, yeah, a whole bunch of them.
56:29If I could see a designer play in the red zone, that's what these could be actually in offense is like.
56:35And I could just see him kind of getting one big chunk play, maybe ended up with two or three catches, but
56:41one of them on a big chunk play. Um, uh, Torrey Horton, same thing.
56:45If he plays, I think he is, uh, Torrey Horton, anytime touchdown plus 700, same thing.
56:49So much focus on JSN. One of the auxiliary guys getting going in the red zone and they, they can pop him open.
56:55And for whatever reason, they've had a knack for whether it was Kubiak last year or now, um, uh, with flurry of
57:01kind of getting Torrey Horton targets in the red zone for some reason.
57:05So that's just my one. If you want to bomb like that, I'll throw him in there.
57:10And the same thing, auxiliary receivers, Cooper cup over two and a half receptions.
57:13Cause again, I think there's going to be focused on JSN.
57:16Jason's going to get his, he always gets his, but I think these other guys are going to have some opportunities against this defense.
57:23I mean, yeah, Torrey Horton is probably their, is their biggest receiver.
57:26It's not like that big of a room, obviously cup, um, decently sized thicker guy, but like Horton is taller, lankier.
57:32Uh, he has nice long arms where he can pluck the ball away from his frame.
57:36So that makes sense from just a, a red zone usage standpoint.
57:39It should heat. It just hasn't really happened in terms of him as a full-time player.
57:44Like it's just, it's J it's JSN and, and log out.
57:47How do you feel like Sam Darnold's been playing the last few weeks, uh, going against a team that, you know, obviously
57:53Denver can get after you can, can make things messy there.
57:56They've got injuries and stuff in the secondary for sure.
57:58So there will be open throws, but it does kind of feel like Sam needs a bit of a rebound game here.
58:04He does. I mean, probably his defense is still no joke, but they, he does.
58:08I don't think he's seeing it really well right now.
58:11Um, there he's not really ripping it over the middle.
58:14Uh, he's taking kind of a few more yards on sacks as well.
58:17Uh, like he just, he took two sacks last week against the 49ers on quick game, which is a no, no for a quarterback.
58:24And he took two. So that to me means he's not really trusting what he's seeing and ripping it.
58:29Uh, so I do feel like he's just a little like this, the run game, like you mentioned, I actually think the O-line is playing decent.
58:36The left side's really good, um, for the Seahawks, uh, with the great Zabel and Charles cross, but their formula is the run game is nice.
58:43Floor lifter be about average. Like it was at the end of last year.
58:47And then the past game just says super explosive.
58:49Like Sam Darnold doesn't have to be top 10 and success rate or anything.
58:53That is just be top 18, but he has to be top eight, top 10 and explosive pass rate.
58:58And that's really what's dropped off a little bit this year.
59:01So he's just gotta be willing to rip it, whether it's the Jason or other guys, but that's, I do feel like
59:07he's not seeing it as clean as he was last year or even two years, last two years, I should say.
59:13Yeah. Obviously miss some time, new coordinator. Hopefully things can gel here for Sam pretty soon.
59:17I'm guessing you're taking, uh, Seahawks and you're, and you're laying the points on this one.
59:21You're, you're, you're, you're going to take them to cover.
59:24Yeah. Uh, yeah. And I think it's gonna be a little sloppy.
59:27I think we're gonna get some Thursday night slop here, but I, yeah, but I think, yeah, a little bit of a
59:33rock fight going on in this game. I think it's a bad sign when the final note for a game preview is good uniform matchup.
59:40That means good uniforms. Maybe def. Yeah. Good. In for some slot.
59:43Spark out Michaels a little bit. Maybe I'll Michaels get perked up a little bit to uniforms.
59:48You know, maybe something like that. It's going to take a lot more than that, uh, to get out Michaels perked up these days.
59:54And I don't know that the Broncos offense is going to do it.
59:58I hope we're wrong about Denver's offense because of how invested I am in, uh, in Jalen Waddle.
60:03I really hope we're wrong. So I'm hoping that people can come back and dunk on us for this preview because of
60:09my God, I need a big Jalen Waddle game and an Island game to just get the YouTube comments, get the Twitter comments off my back.
60:16Okay. Nate, you've done it all. You've said it all.
60:19I appreciate you, man. I will see you tomorrow for football three Oh one big time preview.
60:23We tease a lot of stuff already as we always do.
60:26So definitely make sure you guys check out the week six preview on football three Oh one, but we're going to say goodbye to Nate for now.
60:33And when we come back from this break, we've got Justin Boone join us for the flex fit check.
60:39We'll get into that right after this. And we're back.
60:41And here's this week's flex fit check presented by verse.
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60:47The first recharge fleece only at Dick's. And we're very excited to have Justin Boone here with us.
60:52This is a nice little fit for you. Well, matching situation with the hat and the t-shirt.
60:57We love it. Good to see you here. Boone, as always, you're here to help us pick some players on the flex line.
61:03We've got three wide receivers, three running backs, two tight ends.
61:06What's going on, man? How are you doing? It's nice to see you and actually talk to you like this.
61:11We were mixing it up in the social media streets earlier today, a little chirping going on about our expert league, which
61:17has been a ton of fun, man. Like that league has been a good time.
61:21And I like not always when it's me doing the chirping, but when there's other people involved, we've seen a lot of jokes getting thrown around.
61:28It's been good, man. It was fun, but it's good to be on with you now and actually get to see your
61:34face and maybe still throw some chirps here as we go along.
61:38Yeah. Boone and I had to go to couples counseling.
61:40We had to have an HR session after we were chirping at each other on Twitter, just so that we could be calm and normal for this segment.
61:48Cause that is how much things got really heated.
61:50No. Yeah. I mean, listen, well, the truth, Harmon, the truth is that it was producer Colin that really stoked that fire, right?
61:57Because we had our social team put out the pickups for the week.
62:00Producer Colin was the one that jumped in there and started giving everybody a hard time, letting me get Jeremy Bernard off the waiver wire.
62:07That's what was going on. Him that got that going.
62:10So we can blame producer Colin who, I mean, what the Cowboys are struggling right now.
62:14So he's just leaning into being an online troll, I guess is that the path you're taking there?
62:19Producer Colin. I'm guessing. So I'm happy. Number one, I'm always happy to blame producer Colin.
62:23Number two. Yeah. I'm tired of Collins fantasy elitist nonsense.
62:26Like, Oh, this league doesn't have this list. League doesn't have, I'm just absolutely sick of that.
62:30But you brought up Jeremy Bernard. Great transition because we're talking three wide receivers here.
62:35And let's just go ahead and talk Jeremy Bernard first of these three wide receivers.
62:39He was a very popular pickup. I tried to pick up Jeremy Bernard in our experts league because I wanted to get some wide receiver help.
62:46I need it. And yet your team is worse than mine.
62:49So you were able to pick them up. I was not.
62:52That's how, that's how it goes. So because your team stinks more than my team stinks, you got Jeremy Bernard here.
62:57Where are we ranking Jeremy Bernard this week? Boone.
63:00I'm ranking him right now at wide receiver 28.
63:02I have him inside my, my top 30. Definitely somebody that you can get into your lineup.
63:07Some of it. I'm going to be playing in the flex and a few leagues where I got them.
63:12And it comes down to Michael Pittman and Roman Wilson being out, but also like what we've seen from Bernard, right?
63:18You have this intriguing combination of a pretty solid, rookie, a guy that, you know, coming out as a prospect, went to
63:24an interesting spot where he could get opportunity. Now that opportunity has opened up for him here.
63:28And we've seen that proof of concept last week, six catches, 80 yards.
63:32He's now got two games where he's played the majority of the snaps for the Steelers.
63:36That was week two, week five led the team in targets and yards in both of those games.
63:41Now this most recent one, that was a lot better.
63:44The 80 yards was nice back in week two.
63:46He led the team with 35 receiving yards. So it's kind of more by default that he led the team, but regardless
63:52eight targets in one game, nine targets in the other.
63:55That's great volume. We talked in the waiver wire show, Aaron Rogers likes this dude.
63:59That's important. We have their social team, put no pictures of Aaron Rogers, smiling, talking to Bernard, right?
64:04Most quarterbacks, I will not factor that in most quarterbacks.
64:06I would be like, whatever, that doesn't matter at all.
64:09With Aaron Rogers, it like kind of matters when he likes these guys.
64:13So I think that helps his cause and Bernard, certainly somebody that can get into lineups.
64:17It matters a ton, especially with these rookies. I mean, we've seen Aaron Rogers completely shelved rookies before.
64:22It's, it's absolutely a thing that it matters how much that Aaron Rogers likes this guy.
64:26In addition to all the stats you read off there, he ran around on 93% of the dropbacks in week five, which is the led the team.
64:33He was targeted on 29% of the routes again, leads the team.
64:37And I went back and charted this game. There was a couple, like he had a couple of plays, even where Bernard like left it on the field.
64:44And we had to drop like some stuff at the catch point.
64:48I think his releases against press could use a little work, but the routes that he was really good on were all
64:53of these in breaking routes, which is number one, really encouraging to see Aaron Rogers want to throw those routes.
64:59Cause he's at times not wanted to take those shots over the middle.
65:02He trusts Bernard to do it. That's great. Also, those are the routes that you would think Bernard was going to be good on.
65:09I kind of compared it to a Jacoby Myers type of dirty work receiver that can play all over the formation, can
65:15play some X, but is mostly like a big slot Z receiver.
65:18Now the matchup this week against the bucks is maybe a little bit less enticing than the Colts.
65:23I mean, the Colts defense stinks for sure, but the bucks past defense is one you can get Boone.
65:28So I'm with you. I think that's the right ranking range for Jeremy Bernard.
65:32I have a specific question for you on Bernard, but any other thoughts on, on Bernard before we move forward?
65:37Well, yeah, I was going to say with the bucks, right?
65:40We saw last week, George Pickens goes off for 130 yards and a touchdown.
65:44Ryan Florida, 90 yards, Jordan Addison, Denzel Boston. They both went over 90 and a touchdown earlier this season.
65:49So along the line of what you said, you can actually get after this bucks defense for sure through the air.
65:55And it's nice to see the Steelers throwing as much as they are.
65:58It's a big difference from last year. There's seventh and pass attempts this season.
66:02We expected that Mike McCarthy was going to bring some of that along here, but good to see in this offense that there's that much passing opportunity.
66:10And Bernard, a guy who is going to command targets here.
66:13So it all boils down to me being very happy that I got him the expert league and people should be playing him this week.
66:19What was your question on Jeremy Bernard though? Well, just so we real quick before we go to that 12 targets to
66:25DK Metcalf over the course of the year when Aaron Rogers has been blitzed, Jeremy Bernard, nine targets second on the team.
66:31And obviously he's not been a full-time player, 37.5% targets per route.
66:34Obviously that matters going against a Todd Bowles defense that will heat you up.
66:38If he trusts Jeremy Bernard does Aaron Rogers, that's good to see that he can be that outlet receiver.
66:43However, if in this particular game, who are you going to rank higher?
66:47Jeremy Bernardo or Emeka Ibuka? Who's actually coming off a pretty decent game.
66:50I am going to go to the rankings here to make sure that I get this correct term.
66:55And because in terms of, I have Ibuka actually higher just by a couple spots.
66:59He's at wide receiver 25 Bernard at wide receiver 28.
67:02And we should mention, I think it comes more into play when we get to the running backs and we talk about
67:08them, but with four teams on by here, it makes some of these flex decisions a little bit more difficult guys that
67:14you would normally sit might actually get into your lineup.
67:17So it's going to push a few of these guys up into the conversation.
67:21Yeah, I have a Buka on the experts league team and I'm going to have to start him.
67:25Doesn't matter. No Aaron Jones for me this week.
67:28So I'm hoping he can have a decent game here.
67:31Okay. Next one up is we have Roma dunes on the outline, but I'm just going to say Roma dunes and Luther Burton.
67:37Let's both put them together. Cause they're going to be kind of close in rankings to me.
67:41I think they're probably what the production wise, they've been pretty close so far.
67:45So going against the Falcons defense, that's down some of its corners.
67:48We saw as a flowers have a decent game against them.
67:51We saw Rashad Bateman have some moments. Snoop Huntley was able to move the ball consistently as the backup quarterback.
67:57Devontae Walker, they had a backup quarterback come on the field, did the Atlanta Falcons and Huntley immediately targets that guy with Walker in the end zone.
68:04So it sounds like we might get Caleb Williams back this week.
68:07I have a piece coming out for the site about the bears pass catchers that, you know, I've got Mo, one of
68:13our editors messaging me in the middle of this.
68:16Like, Hey, when are you filing your piece? I'm like, Oh, about 30 minutes after the show's over, I guess.
68:21So, okay. We get Caleb Williams coming back. It's two bears wide receivers, pretty good matchup.
68:26What about these guys? Are they in or out of flex consideration?
68:29Yeah, I'd be starting them both this week. There's a bit of a risk because I think the overall idea of what
68:35this offense is going to look like has changed, right?
68:37We thought it was going to be really concentrated.
68:40Now I think we can accept that they're going to spread the ball around a little more.
68:44The rushing attack is going to take on a lot of work here.
68:48But I have right now burden at wide receiver 20 and I have a doomsday at wide receiver 26.
68:53And again, with by weeks, they're getting pushed up a little bit there, but totally more than happy to have both these guys in my life.
69:00We think about it, Harmon. And like, we've been robbed, not getting to see what this bears offense could be.
69:06Cause you have that first game where everything looks pretty good.
69:0959 points against the Panthers just absolutely lights it up.
69:11And you figure like, okay, that Ben Johnson prediction that maybe they could challenge for like the single season points record.
69:17Maybe they could actually do it. And then since then it was the weather game was Caleb getting hurt.
69:22And that it's been back up since then. And if you go back to that, that first game, cause the guy we're
69:28going to talk about was a doomsday. I've always liked burden better.
69:31I feel a little more confident in burden. I don't know where you stand on that.
69:36Now I know before the season, you always talked up a doomsday, but if you go back to that first game, a
69:42doomsday had an okay performance in that one, right?
69:44He was over 50 yards in that game, but he was coming off the injury.
69:48He was not playing a normal amount of snaps, right?
69:51Just 48% of the snaps in that game only ran a route on 55% of the dropbacks in the four games.
69:57Since he's been over an 80% snap share, 84% routes run.
69:59And this past week that was up to 99% of the snaps and 96% of the route.
70:04So we've seen him now get back to the usage that he should be at.
70:08You're getting Kayla back here. Like you mentioned, the matchup is good.
70:11The Falcons are giving up the eighth most fantasy points to receivers at least 50 yards to 10 different receivers through the first five games.
70:18So yeah, give me both of these guys in my lineup, including a doomsday who I normally have ranked second out of those two.
70:25Yeah. I think just burdens role is so much fantasy, so much more fantasy friendly than a doomsday is.
70:30I'm writing about this in the piece. Obviously a doomsday has all these like downfield targets.
70:34This is the right matchup with Kayla Williams coming back to target a player like that.
70:38But I think burden being ranked ahead is probably correct.
70:41That's how I think I'm going to have it this week as well with these two guys, but they'll be pretty close for me.
70:48I mean, yeah, the reality with this offense is in week one, 59 points.
70:51They were so explosive. They were the sixth most explosive offense that week, every week since it's 13 and week to 25th
70:57and week three, 18th and week four, 27th in week five, the explosive plays just haven't been there with the backup quarterbacks as we would expect.
71:04It should hopefully get better with Kayla Williams here.
71:07Yeah. And if I remember correctly, I think there was six rushing touchdowns in that game.
71:11I think Caleb had a couple, I think Swift had three, Mononga had one.
71:15So that's just crazy, right? Normally some of those touchdowns are going to end up in the receiver's hands.
71:20So you figure that could regress a little bit there in this game, really nice projected point total, 50 and a half points.
71:26And Michael Penix looks like he's going to play.
71:29So that helps the potential for a shootout here.
71:31So all of it boils down to, yes, let's get these bears receivers in our lineup.
71:36And then let's reassess after a couple of weeks with Caleb to figure out what this offense is going to look like the rest of the season.
71:43Totally. And we'll just have to see the Kalief Raymond role of it all.
71:47Cause no one projected him to have a seven near 17% target share, 14 and a half percent area yard share, both
71:53of those ranking third on the team. So obviously that will be a big kind of a dip.
71:58He's really dipped these last couple of weeks. So we'll see if that continues in this game against the Atlanta Falcons last receiver to talk about Keon Coleman.
72:05Got the touchdown against the Rams, but that was kind of it going against the Raiders.
72:09Where's he going to rank for you this week?
72:12Obviously, depending on the status of DJ more. So if anyone's checking my rankings, as we're doing the live show here, I've met wide receiver 39.
72:19I was kind of being cautious because wasn't totally sure if DJ more is going to play or not.
72:24We still don't know, but if you think about it, they have a buy the week after, right?
72:29So now that like the iron man streak is over, why would you not just sit more for another game?
72:34Give them a couple more weeks to get healthy.
72:37And then you have them the rest of the way.
72:40So I'm now leaning towards more being out. So as I'm working on my rankings update here on Wednesday, that's going to
72:45be live on the site on Thursday. I'm going to have Keon Coleman up at wide receiver.
72:5032 is where I'm at the moment. I might tweak that a little bit, but more in that range, kind of a
72:56mid to higher end wide receiver three. I think we both like what we saw from him a couple of weeks ago.
73:02Yes. He had another opportunity to show us something this past week.
73:05It's a much tougher matchup going against the Rams.
73:08I think this Raiders game, he is going to be able to get on them.
73:12So I actually like him. I would put him in my lineup as well.
73:16I think he's somebody else that you can start this week.
73:19If more is out, if more plays that changes the game.
73:22And then I'd probably sit Coleman at that point.
73:24I also think the status of Josh Palmer is pretty important here for this team because he, he was able to take
73:30a lot of the X receiver routes against the Patriots the week prior.
73:33And then obviously when Palmer's out, you're not putting Skylar bell in that role.
73:37You're not obviously not putting clear secure in that role.
73:40You're not putting Trent Shurfield in that role. So if Josh Palmer can get back out there, I think that also helps key on Coleman.
73:47Cause he essentially had to go back to the outside on ball receiver.
73:50I haven't seen any updates on Palmer, but someone to at least keep an eye on.
73:55Cause I think that will matter a good bit.
73:57If we can get him back out there. So Coleman can be the off ball, bigger slot option against the Raiders who
74:03play a tunnel, like a ton of nickel coverage.
74:05And he might have some size advantages. Yeah. And I'm not rocking any bills gear today.
74:10No bills had or anything, but for a moment, just let me be a bit of a bills fan here.
74:15I'm worried about this as a trap game for Buffalo, right?
74:18You're coming off this like epic win on Monday night against the Rams.
74:22You have the bi-week a week later, you're staying out on the West coast.
74:25You're going to Vegas for this game. You just watch the Raiders get destroyed by the Patriots.
74:30So maybe you take the foot off the gas a little bit.
74:33You're not as worried about them. It scares me.
74:36This game scares me. I will just say that arm.
74:38I like it. You know, some of us have to stream Kirk cousins this week in leagues that we want, we want to win.
74:45So I would love to see it be a trap game.
74:48The bills defense is not good, man, which helps the past volume of the team overall, even if it didn't help this
74:54past week, Josh Allen, what do you have? Like barely any completions and had all the rushing yards.
74:59So obviously that didn't work out this past week, but I think the Raiders defense has maybe punched above its weight and
75:05been better than people think, but still pretty difference in terms of quality and with what the Rams bring to the table here.
75:11So I'm excited to watch this game and yeah, we'll trap game.
75:14Kirk cousins thrown for four touchdowns. I could see that four touchdowns, multiple touchdowns in each of the first, first four games.
75:20So yeah, he's got that definitely in his bag.
75:23Yeah. I mean, I have to play Kirk cousins, the expert league this week.
75:26That's why we're having this conversation. Okay. Three running backs here to talk.
75:30You're not the only one. Perfect. Three running backs to talk through here.
75:33Let's start with Woody marks at Jacksonville, theoretically, because the game obviously is overseas.
75:37So Woody marks, you're going to be the full time back now with Dave Montgomery out.
75:42Where are we ranking Woody marks? I wouldn't normally have him this high, but because all the bi-weeks, I have an RB
75:4722 and it looks like he's going to get a ton of volume.
75:51You have the coaching staff, like continuously talking him up Harmon.
75:54And I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I'm seeing what they're seeing.
75:58Like they're really pumping his tires. He's improved so much from last year.
76:02I still don't see that guy. That's going to like run away with this job.
76:06Can he be okay in this role? Sure. Is he going to be a decent fantasy play because he's going to get a lot of volume?
76:13Yeah, probably, but I don't think he's someone that's going to come in and elevate this rushing attack.
76:18They've had a ton of struggles with that offensive line.
76:21They can't really get this rush attack going. I don't think that Woody Marks is the answer, but when you get to
76:26like the low end RB two range for fantasy this week, because of the buys and injuries and stuff, it gets ugly really fast.
76:33Like you're looking at Woody Marks there. You're looking at Tony Pollard, who normally is an RB three.
76:38He's up at RB 21 at the moment. My rankings, it gets tough.
76:41And when you think about the other options in this backfield with David Montgomery hurt, they don't really have much like Darugan,
76:47but Wally is more of like a pass catcher and a special teams guy.
76:51Juar Jordan's on their practice squad. We saw him come in last year and flash a little bit.
76:56He's probably more of a guy who could step into some of those Montgomery touches, but I don't think we're overly excited about him.
77:02So a lot of volume coming Mark's way. That makes him a player that yes, you could start, but this matchup is awful, right?
77:09Like if he was getting that kind of volume against an easier opponent, maybe we could push him up inside the top
77:1520, but against the Jags, they're going to have the second fewest fantasy points to running backs.
77:20They haven't let a back go over 40 rushing yards this season in a single game.
77:24So the degree of difficulty, extremely high. It's risky.
77:26He'll probably get some work in the passing game that helps them get there for fantasy and at least gives you an okay flex performance.
77:33But yes, I do think you could play him.
77:36I think you could play him ringing endorsement. The Texans were 10th and pass rate over expected last week.
77:41I think that number is going to continue to go up as we talked about earlier in the week after adding Marvin Harrison, Jr.
77:47And going to more of a spread offense, which I think helps Woody marks.
77:51I mean, I don't know how much Harrison's going to play in this game, but still they'll probably want to start to
77:57introduce some of these concepts and everything like that.
77:59But I think Woody marks could flirt with like an 80% snap share in this game and hopefully can be a little bit of a pass catching option.
78:07Maybe if the team is trailing some dump off situations, you're kind of hoping that Woody marks essentially becomes a mega, like
78:13I would say very poor man's Jalen Warren, right?
78:15Where he gets the other back out of the backfield and it is just on the field all the time.
78:21I don't think Woody is nearly as dynamic a player as Jalen Warren, but you know, kind of a satellite back who
78:27could be involved as the past game option as Zane's pointing out on the screen here, 93% route share.
78:32We've never, never seen Woody marks be much of a pass catcher, even though that was supposed to be his thing coming into the league.
78:39So if he can just be a bit more of a PPR scam, you know, that would be nice.
78:44Yeah. I will say too, if we want to put something else in the positive column for him, he did have a
78:50game where it was all right against the Jags last year and week 10, 80% of the snaps turn that into 81 scrimmage yards and a touchdown.
78:57So you never know Harmon. Maybe he gives you something like that and you end up very happy.
79:02If he finds the end zone, you will be ecstatic this week.
79:05That's kind of what you're hoping for. I think 80 yards from scrimmage touchdown fingers crossed.
79:10I think he's a solid low end running back to definitely a flex.
79:13For me, I've got him in one league. I'll probably be starting him this week, depending on the other options.
79:18Okay. Next one here, Blake Corum, Arizona Cardinals. He punched in the touchdown, but where are we at with Blake Corum on,
79:24in a game where Rams might be controlling this one throughout based on what we seen from the Cardinals of late.
79:30Yeah, you would think so. Rams are 13 point favorites in this game, even though they're on a short week here coming
79:36off that Monday night or against the bills. But yeah, I'm going to continue to move Corum up right now.
79:41I'm at RB 29. I think that's still probably a few spots too low because this is totally a smash spot for him.
79:48You're going to have this short week. There's no reason to give Kyron Williams a ton of work in this one.
79:53He's been great this year, but this is the perfect spot where you get Corum more involved.
79:58And we saw that last year, right? There was two games against the Cardinals last year where we had 14 touches for
80:0469 yards for Corum and one of them, and then 13 touches for 131 yards and two TDs.
80:09I think that's probably like your floor and ceiling outcomes in this game, right?
80:13He's got a chance to just give you enough 69 yards.
80:16You'd be fine with that. Couple catches. Great. That's flex option.
80:19But if he hits that high end outcome, if he finds the end zone, then you're really sound.
80:23So big ceiling for him here. I would absolutely be willing to start him in the flex.
80:28Yep. I think that makes a ton of sense here to me.
80:31Okay. Last running back. And this one's the trickiest conversation.
80:34Amarian Hampton. Amarian Hampton, I feel like is going to be ranked in the low end RB two high end RB three
80:40range for the rest of the season is basically, does he beat that?
80:43Did he score a touchdown? Did he come under it?
80:46He didn't score a touchdown pretty much the rest of the way.
80:49So I have no idea how we predict that going forward.
80:52Boone, I will say this. I don't love reading some headlines that I've seen today about, well, if the chargers do eventually
80:58fire Mike McDaniel mid season, we can get Adam Gase in here calling plays.
81:02I mean, what a world that would be by the way, if Adam Gase actually saved the chargers, that's not going to happen.
81:08I don't think it's going to happen, but it would just be so funny.
81:12Cause Mike McDaniels one coming into the years, one of these like Twitter hype coordinators and Gase is one of the boogeymen.
81:18And what if he saved the chargers? It's not going to happen, but still that's the state of the chargers offense here at this point.
81:25Um, where are we at with Amari and Hampton from a fantasy ranking standpoint?
81:29Well, I would say things can always get worse, right?
81:31So even though it looks bad right now, if Gase took over, it could actually potentially be worse and more chaotic.
81:37But regardless, right now we have this three headed committee in that backfield.
81:41It's been pretty much even snaps. And last week it was actually Hampton that had the fewest of the group.
81:46He was down at 20. I think we had 28 for Kamani Vidal, who we talked about on the waiver wire show.
81:52So it's bad. Now he's still getting a decent amount of touches, but not really doing a ton with them.
81:57He's just kind of saving a few of his fantasy days with a touchdown.
82:01So like you said, even with all these buys, it still puts him in that TD or bust like RB three range,
82:07which is so sad, so far away from where people were drafting him and what we expected from him this year.
82:13So yes, it really just comes down to your options, but he's a guy that I would be trying to sit this week.
82:19I would hope that you can find someone else.
82:22You don't just have to put him out there and cross your fingers that man, this guy could find the end zone or not.
82:28And that's really what your fantasy day is going to come down to.
82:32Okay. Woody marks, obviously definitely a better play than Ryan Hampton.
82:35I'm going to throw some other names out there.
82:37Would you start a Ryan Hampton or Jeremiah love?
82:39Still Jeremiah love, but we're going to keep an eye on him because right before I jumped on with you, I believe
82:45I saw a report that he's sitting out practice today.
82:48So we're going to have to monitor him. Obviously, you know, he's a little bit banged up.
82:53Yeah, he's a little bit banged up at the moment.
82:55So we'll keep an eye on that to make sure he's going to be playing and be healthy enough this week.
83:01But yes, I would still start Jeremiah love. Yeah, I'm just seeing a good timing here.
83:05Universe just saw a post from underdog that Michael for on managing Jeremiah loves injury as much as he wants to battle through.
83:12We're all in agreeance right now. Just give him a little bit of rest and see as the week goes on, what that'll entail for Sunday.
83:19I really just wish him and Ashton Gentry, another guy that's like, yeah, we love Gentry's toughness.
83:23They'll do this. Should have just given these guys like two, three weeks off at the start of the season.
83:29I think we'd be in a better place with both of them.
83:32So super frustrating there. Yeah, go ahead. At least the report on Gentry today was a little more positive that we had
83:38the coach staff coming out and saying that he's actually getting a little healthier here.
83:42I talked the other day about how he's got a good matchup with the bills.
83:46So fingers crossed that maybe he's headed in the right direction, right now, love.
83:50It doesn't seem like it. No, I give him to give Gentry two weeks off.
83:54Just, just give him two weeks off. It'll be fine.
83:57Like, just get, I admire the toughness. I think it's cool.
84:00He, he said he's battling through the coach. I said, he's battling through give him two weeks off.
84:04He'll be, he'll be, you can survive with that over two weeks.
84:08He'll be way better when he comes back. If you don't want me to catch you in the expert league, you're going
84:14to want to have Jeremiah love out there because I have Tyler as year.
84:17So that would give me a nice little flex play.
84:20I have Mike Washington. So maybe I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth.
84:24We're not biased at all. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no.
84:27Listen, I also have Ashton Gentry in two leagues too.
84:30So I, I would like to see him be healthier than he is right now.
84:34Okay. Let's go to tight ends before we wrap it up here.
84:37Dallas Goddard, Carolina Panthers matchup, man, Dallas Goddard Eagles offense.
84:40Eagles not looking so great. Where are we at with Dallas Goddard as a flex play?
84:44Yeah. Tight end nine for me this week. I would be more than willing to start him.
84:49Came back in the last game, played 70% of the snaps and that's lower than normal for him.
84:53Like he's usually up in the nineties. But again, like we talked about with the dunes, a first came back from the
84:59injury, not a full Snapchat share, but he's going to be fine.
85:03And he's going to increase on that. And right now we're monitoring the injuries in that offense, but Saquon Barkley, not practicing today.
85:09Devonta Smith, he's off to the side with trainers.
85:11So not sure if either of those guys are going to be back this week.
85:15I quite like Goddard in this game. I mean, it only turned into six catches for 38 yards, but that's not a bad first game.
85:22When you have the snaps a little lower, when he's not quite as involved as he normally would be.
85:27And Carolina is a real plus matchup here. The seventh most fantasy points allowed to tight ends.
85:32That includes seven for 51 and two TDs to Harold Fannin eight for 84 and a touchdown to Sam Laporta.
85:37That's in the last two games before the Panthers by.
85:40So this is setting up pretty nicely for Dallas Goddard in my mind.
85:44I like that. Yeah. I feel like top, top 10 tight end Dallas Goddard makes a ton of sense to me.
85:49Just the guy that has the best chemistry right now with, with Jalen Hurst, because it's not quite happening with McKay Lemon over the middle of the field.
85:57You know, Dante Wicks has had his moments, but yeah, I think Goddard is interesting for sure.
86:01Okay. Last one we're going to talk about here, and this is the section of my bears article that I haven't finished yet.
86:08So you're going to help me work out my thoughts on this, right?
86:11Colson Loveland, uh, as a flex play here, I don't know that you are going to be, are you going to rank
86:17him in the top 10 tight ends? And if not, do you consider him someone that is flex viable with Caleb Williams coming back here?
86:24Most likely. He might have a good game. It's certainly possible.
86:27I think Caleb coming back gives him his best chance to do that.
86:30Even though in that first game with Caleb, he had no catches, but regardless, I don't want to start him this week.
86:36I would rather keep him on the bench. I'm at tight end 13.
86:40I wouldn't really want to flex them unless you were absolutely desperate, but we want to see how this thing is going
86:46to work out because in that first game, he ran his biggest road share of the season, right?
86:51Like he was more involved in that one. Since then it's gone down.
86:54It was 84% of the dropbacks in week one.
86:57Since then went down to the sixties for three games last week, up into the seventies.
87:01So let's hope that Caleb coming back puts this offense back to what we hope that it would be, or at least something closer to that.
87:08Now, do we expect that Loveland's going to be anywhere near where he was drafted?
87:12Is he going to be a top five fantasy tight end?
87:15I think those hopes can basically be put to rest.
87:18Like I don't think that's going to happen for him, but can you get back to being a starting tight end, a low end tight end one?
87:25Yeah, that's absolutely still in his range of outcomes here.
87:28So no, I would not start him in your flex.
87:31I wouldn't even want to start him in my tight end spot, but I've been very hesitant to put him on the drop list.
87:37When we talk about it on the show on Mondays in my way of work, I'm not doing that yet.
87:42You want to hold onto him. Let's get a couple of games.
87:46Like we talked about with the dunes. Let's see what this looks like with Caleb healthy in some matchups here.
87:51And then we'll go from there and decide what to do with Loveland.
87:55So keep him on your bench. Do not start him this week.
87:58It really is the route chair part of it that has been tough here for Loveland.
88:02To me, I think that's one of the answers.
88:05I know people always come back to this. Like the, I don't, I don't remember a lot of Colson Loveland haters during
88:11draft season, but now that he's been bad, I've seen a lot of them pop up.
88:15Like, yeah, you idiots were so, you know, it's always nice to hear that in hindsight.
88:19I'm sure they had good reasons before this, but like, yeah, he had all of those fantasy points against the, the bangles that were terrible against tight ends.
88:27He didn't really have that many good games. My contention would be that you guys forget that he had two of the
88:33best games of his season, particularly the first playoff game.
88:35Like the, from a usage standpoint, that was where he was really highly involved.
88:39If you look from week 16 on his route percentages, when 81%, 87%, 86%, 91%, 60%.
88:44That was in the division loss against the Rams.
88:46That's 60%. This year, you mentioned week one, almost 90% of the routes in week one against the Panthers.
88:51Then it's 71%, 74%, 72%, 77%. That's been odd.
88:54And I think maybe some of that is because, cause he's still kind of pushing 90% of the snaps against the jets
89:00in week four, when he runs 72% of the dropbacks.
89:02I wonder if some of that is just, he's, he is a good blocker.
89:06I wonder if some of that is because they have a backup left tackle.
89:10Still, Ozzy Trapillo, not back just yet. Maybe he gets unleashed there afterwards.
89:13Cause I mean, he's still playing all over the field.
89:16I mean, he was in the slot on 41% of his snaps in this game against the Packers last week.
89:22He has five targets. Like he just isn't involved yet.
89:24So I, I think you could make an argument that they need to get him more involved to get the offense going.
89:30He's a good young player is what we saw last year.
89:33We'll just have to kind of see. So right now I have him as my tight end 13, which is the ultimate hedge.
89:39Like, yeah, he's not quite a tight end one.
89:42Could you pick up Pat Firemuth and start him against the, the damn bucks?
89:46Sure. Um, but I don't want to put him too, too low.
89:49And I certainly would not advise dropping him just yet.
89:52Yeah, for sure. And this offense might end up being a little more like whack-a-mole than we expected, right?
89:57Where just different guys are going to have big games.
89:59It's going to be a little harder to predict because last year during that stretch you were talking about, Lovin was averaging like 10 targets a game.
90:07Like he was getting so much volume. I don't expect that to be the new norm this year.
90:12It's not going to be that kind of consistency and that kind of usage, but I do have faith that he's going
90:18to get back up into the top 12 on a regular basis at tight end.
90:22Now Atlanta, it's not the worst matchup, but they haven't given up a ton of yards to tight ends either.
90:27They had a couple of guys early in the season, put up some touchdowns on them, but only one tight ends topped 50 yards against them.
90:34That was 59 yards to Juwan Johnson. So again, not the best matchup here.
90:38Another reason to sit him this week. Let's see how it looks.
90:41And then we'll go from there. All right, Poon, great stuff here from you.
90:45Uh, we will be back tomorrow for the show, but we, you and I will be together, uh, on Sunday morning for fantasy football live.
90:52So definitely make sure you tune in for that.
90:54And definitely make sure. I mean, what is your next rankings update?
90:57I know you like schedule these things out. It's like they're big events for you.
91:01So when's the next one coming? I'll be working on them the rest of the night here.
91:06And then I work on them again, Thursday morning before we publish.
91:09So that will be coming out Thursday, late morning, early afternoon at the latest, depending how many hiccups I have along the way.
91:16But, uh, yeah, Thursdays, we'll have an update then.
91:18And then we'll update again before the game kicks off.
91:21Once we get an actives later in the day.
91:23And yeah, man, Herman, that's what my life is right now.
91:26It's just updating rankings and trade value charts. And I love it, man.
91:30It's my favorite part of all this. Yours is rankings.
91:32Mine's is routes. Uh, we're, we're in our own little, our, our, I wouldn't say prisons of our own making because we love doing this.
91:39And we are very lucky to have this job.
91:42Could you imagine having a real job? Could you imagine that?
91:45I could not. I've said it before, but back in the day, I used to like edit the different values for players on Madden.
91:51And I feel like in a weird way, that's what I do as a job now.
91:55Like I'm just kind of tweaking where I think players are and what I think they're going to do and projections and all that stuff.
92:02It always comes back to Madden for me. It was a, yeah, man.
92:06What if, what if I move this, uh, this receiver into the slot and this past concept looks at, and look at, look at what I'm doing now.
92:13That's, you know, I'm charting it out. So yeah, it always comes back to Madden.
92:17Shout out to Madden. Okay. Shout out to you, Justin Boone.
92:20Great show. Shout out to Nate Tice. Hell of a, a hell of a show with him as well.
92:25As mentioned, we will be back tomorrow live on this YouTube channel 4 PM Eastern with Josh Norris for the week six preview.
92:32Until then, we are out.