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Trade TARGETS🎯: 17 players to BUY or SELL before it’s too late

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1 hr 33 min
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Oct 15, 2026
Published
Thu, October 15, 2026
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Jaylen WarrenParker WashingtonC.J. StroudDrake MayeMarvin Harrison Jr.Aaron JonesDenzel BostonJaylen WaddleOllie Gordon IIRJ HarveyRome OdunzeXavier HutchinsonA.J. BrownAJ Barner
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A.J. Brown

PositiveRole3:51

AJ Brown's return is cited as exciting news for Drake May's outlook; mentioned in context of Eagles offensive weapons coming back from injury.

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Aaron Jones

NegativeRole0:20

Aaron Jones was discussed as part of the running back buy/sell segment to evaluate whether his early season performance is sustainable or a temporary surge.

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NegativeValue25:05

Jones is a sell-high candidate despite excellent recent performance and increased workload. The Vikings are figuring out their run game, moving away from zone concepts toward gap and duo carries (50% success rate vs. 33% for zone), but Jordan Mason's return from injury will eat into Jones's touches. At his age and with his injury history, Jones is a ticking time bomb for missed games.

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AJ Barner

PositiveProjection55:58

AJ Barner anytime touchdown at +360 and over 21.5 receiving yards at -130 are strong props; the Broncos defense is bottom-10 against tight end targets in EPA and success rate, and Barner could get a red-zone opportunity or big chunk play in a designer play.

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Bo Nix

NegativeMatchup50:40

Matt Harmon is very critical of Bo Nix's recent play against the Seahawks defense. Nix is not pushing the ball downfield; his attempts at 10 or more yards are 25th in the league at about 10% below average, compared to Trevor Lawrence who throws 10+ yards on 44% of his throws. Nix is not extending plays or being willing to launch plays downfield, which are the only ways to beat the Seahawks defense. Harmon notes Nix has flirted with being an average quarterback at times but doesn't think this is the week against Seattle. Nix needs to extend plays and throw downfield (not just scramble early and throw at running backs' feet), which has been his thing throughout his career, but he's not doing it right now. Harmon is skeptical Nix can get back on track this week, calling it 'pretty rough' and noting his lack of willingness to push the ball is a major problem.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection8:45

Brock Purdy ranks second among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating elite performance in this efficiency metric.

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C.J. Stroud

PositiveProjection2:49

Currently QB15, significantly outperforming his fantasy ADP; Harmon is optimistic on the Texans' pivot to a pass-heavy, spread-and-shred air raid offense; Stroud's yards per sack dropped only 1.5 yards from his first three years (37 of 37 average), indicating he's stepping up in the pocket and playing with confidence again; Nico Collins' return and Marvin Harrison Jr. acquisition create synergy for an explosive passing attack; the offense is expected to remain pass-heavy even as defense improves.

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PositiveRole6:06

Stroud's ability to rip in breaking routes and create off-script plays is elevating his receivers' production; his connection with Marvin Harrison Jr., his Ohio State teammate, appears to be particularly strong and is bringing out better effort and speed from Harrison in practice.

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PositiveProjection8:32

C.J. Stroud is QB9 in overall points and ranked fourth among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in the "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), behind Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, and Drake Mays. Matt Harmon attributes this to the Texans' shift toward spread concepts and aggressive passing after the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade, comparing the scheme to Ohio State under Ryan Day. Stroud has some rushing upside but doesn't use it frequently; Harmon groups him with Jordan Love, Matthew Stafford, and Kirk Cousins as pocket passers in similar buckets, noting he's not far off Dak Prescott's current production. Harmon pivoted from Justin Herbert to Stroud in his own league, viewing him as a strong streaming option going forward.

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Caleb Williams

PositiveRole58:27

Caleb Williams is expected to return this week against the Falcons after missing time; his return should improve the Bears' explosive play rate (6th most explosive in week 1 with 59 points, but 13th-27th in weeks 2-5 with backup QBs). The projected point total is 50.5 points, suggesting a potential shootout. With Caleb back, the Bears' receivers should see improved opportunity.

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Chigoziem Okonkwo

PositiveProjection46:47

Matt Harmon is buying Chigoziem Okonkwo as a sneaky buy-low or waiver wire add for the rest of the season. Harmon expects great chemistry between Okonkwo and newly returned quarterback Jayden Daniels, who had great chemistry with Zach Ertz. Harmon believes Okonkwo is currently better than Ertz at the tail end of Ertz's career. Okonkwo is getting vertical routes thrown to him on the outside and has dynamic ability with yards after catch, unlike Ertz who trips after catching it. Even with Antonio Williams and Terry McLaurin in the mix, Harmon thinks Okonkwo will get a lot of opportunities and could help fantasy teams for the rest of the season.

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Christian Watson

PositiveProjection41:06

Matt Harmon is buying Christian Watson, noting his hands are significantly better and he's much more confident. Watson is the number one receiver in the Packers offense, which has shifted to a 'bombs away' approach under Jordan Love rather than nickel-and-diming. Harmon highlights Watson's improved zone coverage recognition and breaks from last year, and this year he's taking a big step forward against man coverage on downfield routes, running big vertical breakers with high efficiency. Watson and Matthew Golden work well off each other as both can be the deep or intermediate option. The improved offensive line (no longer getting Love killed every snap) significantly helps the passing game. Harmon is 'really buying into Watson' given his number-one status and improved play.

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Cooper Kupp

PositiveProjection57:05

Cooper Kupp over 2.5 receptions is a strong prop because the Seahawks will focus on JSN; Kupp should get opportunities against this defense while JSN draws the primary coverage.

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D.J. Moore

NegativeRole60:05

DJ Moore's iron man streak is over and he may sit out this week against the Raiders; with a bye week coming next week, there's no reason not to sit Moore for another game to give him a couple more weeks to get healthy, then have him the rest of the way.

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Dalton Kincaid

NegativeProjection46:47

Matt Harmon notes that Dalton Kincaid's production has 'completely evaporated' recently. Harmon attributes this to lack of verticality at receiver and inability to get into 13 personnel packages. Recent games against the Patriots and Rams featured poor game flow for the Bills' passing game; the Patriots had a good defensive game plan, and the Rams are actually really good against tight ends. Harmon characterizes Kincaid as 'more of a matchup dependent guy than a start him every week, set it, forget it' player, which differs from how he played last year. Kincaid plays a lot of snaps but functions as a glorified slot receiver, making him vulnerable to defensive game plans that key on underneath routes.

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Dalton Schultz

NegativeRole9:54

Dalton Schultz was part of the Texans' limited supporting cast in weeks 2 and 3 when Nico Collins was out and Noel was recovering from injury. Harmon describes this period as "the PPR scam" — a reference to Schultz's PPR-dependent production with receivers who don't get open on the boundary, suggesting his value is limited in the current scheme.

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Denzel Boston

NegativeProjection40:45

Matt Harmon lists Denzel Boston (wide receiver 18) in a group of receivers being discussed for buy/sell analysis. When asked which of the four players (Boston, Michael Wilson, Devon Peoples-Jones, Stefan Diggs) he would sell, Harmon chooses Michael Wilson instead. Harmon defers detailed discussion of Boston to a separate show (Football 301) with Dwayne McFarlane, noting Boston is 'such a stud' and that McFarlane made a good case for a sell-high scenario, but Harmon does not provide his own specific take in this segment.

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PositiveMatchup59:00

Denzel Boston went over 90 yards and a touchdown against the Buccaneers earlier this season, demonstrating that the Buccaneers' pass defense can be attacked through the air.

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Donovan Peoples-Jones

NegativeRole40:45

Matt Harmon mentions Donovan Peoples-Jones (listed as 'Devon' in the context of wide receiver rankings at position 23) in a list of receivers being discussed for buy/sell analysis, but no specific take or analysis is provided in the transcript for this player.

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Drake Maye

NegativeProjection0:20

Drake Maye was discussed in the quarterback buy/sell segment to evaluate whether his early season performance represents a sustainable trend or a temporary surge.

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PositiveProjection2:49

Currently QB8 and trending up after two QB1 overall performances; Matt Harmon views him as the easiest buy among the three quarterbacks discussed, citing balanced rushing and passing design plays; AJ Brown's return adds further excitement despite current injuries to the offensive line.

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PositiveProjection8:45

Drake Mays ranks third among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating elite performance in this efficiency metric.

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Emanuel Wilson

NegativeRole55:03

Emmanuel Wilson is fine when he follows the holes in the Seahawks' well-designed run game, but the overall run game has been disappointing; Zach Charbonate is probably not going to return for this game but the team is desperate to get him back soon.

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George Pickens

PositiveMatchup59:00

George Pickens went off for 130 yards and a touchdown against the Buccaneers last week, demonstrating that the Buccaneers' pass defense can be attacked through the air; this is relevant context for other Steelers receivers like Jeremy Bernard who face the same matchup.

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J.K. Dobbins

NegativeUsage51:40

Matt Harmon notes that despite Josh Norris's theory about shelving JK Dobbins and making RJ Harvey the feature player (because Harvey has more juice and is already being thrown the ball a ton), the Broncos did the exact opposite. They slammed Dobbins up the gut for a bunch of carries that went nowhere, continuing to rely on him despite his lack of effectiveness. This contradicts the logical approach of pivoting to Harvey.

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Jaylen Waddle

NegativeBust0:30

Matt Harmon expressed regret about recommending Jalen Waddle in the draft, acknowledging that the wide receiver has underperformed expectations in the early season, particularly noting the Thursday Night Football Seahawks-Broncos matchup as a difficult situation.

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NegativeMatchup49:11

Matt Harmon and co-host put Jalen Waddle and the entire Broncos offense in the 'coping corner' earlier in the week. The Broncos offense is struggling significantly, with limited ways to attack the Seahawks defense. The running backs lack juice to make plays happen, and backfield targets are being keyed in on by the Seahawks. The Broncos need to beat the Seahawks defense over the top and be aggressive, but Bo Nix is not doing that and is not extending plays effectively. Harmon notes this is a testing/proving ground matchup against the worst defense Nix could face, but the Broncos' offensive limitations make it a difficult spot.

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Jaylen Warren

NegativeRole0:20

Matt Harmon and Nate Tice discussed Jalen Warren as part of their running back buy/sell segment, examining whether his early season performance represents a sustainable trend or a temporary surge.

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NegativeRole0:20

Jaylen Warren (also referenced as Basial Toon in the segment) was part of the running back buy/sell discussion for early season performance evaluation.

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PositiveRole18:09

Since week four, Warren has been on the field for 92% of snaps and run on 76% of dropbacks with 20% route target rate. Aaron Rodgers speaks highly of him, and Mike McCarthy recently stated Warren is the feature player, signaling a shift from earlier committee talk. Warren fits the Jaguars' gap and duo run scheme better than zone concepts, and excels in pass protection, which Rodgers values highly.

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PositiveProjection18:09

Matt Harmon is buying into Warren long-term despite short-term dink-and-dunk concerns against Todd Bowles' defense this week. The Jaguars are leaning into a run scheme that plays to Warren's strengths in gap and duo concepts rather than zone, which should produce real pop games going forward.

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Joe Burrow

PositiveProjection8:45

Joe Burrow ranks seventh among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating strong performance in this efficiency metric.

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Jordan Addison

PositiveMatchup59:00

Jordan Addison went over 90 yards and a touchdown against the Buccaneers earlier this season, demonstrating that the Buccaneers' pass defense can be attacked through the air.

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Jordan Mason

NegativeRole25:05

Mason's return from injury will create a split backfield with Aaron Jones. The Vikings have been successful with gap and duo run concepts (50% success rate) but Mason has only played on zone-based offenses, so it's unclear if he'll thrive in the new scheme. Regardless of Jones's health, Mason will eat into his touch share as the Vikings manage Jones's workload.

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Josh Allen

PositiveProjection8:45

Josh Allen ranks first among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating elite performance in this efficiency metric.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeValue11:00

Harmon drafted Justin Herbert and views him as a problem on his fantasy team, pivoting away from him to C.J. Stroud. He suggests that anyone who drafted Herbert should have "gotten off that hopefully by now at this point," indicating Herbert is underperforming expectations and should be traded or benched.

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Kalif Raymond

PositiveRole58:27

Kalief Raymond's role has dipped significantly in recent weeks; he had a 7-17% target share and 14.5% air yard share, both ranking third on the team, but has really dipped these last couple of weeks. His role will likely continue to decline with Caleb Williams' return and the Bears spreading the ball around more.

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Keon Coleman

PositiveProjection60:05

Keon Coleman is ranked WR32 (pending DJ Moore's status) and is in mid-to-higher-end WR3 consideration; he had a touchdown against the Rams but that was limited production. The Raiders matchup is much more favorable than the Rams, and Coleman should be able to get on them. If DJ Moore sits out (likely given the bye week next week), Coleman's role expands.

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Kirk Cousins

PositiveValue10:30

Harmon groups Kirk Cousins with C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love, and Matthew Stafford as pocket passers in similar fantasy buckets — all throwing the ball frequently in spread concepts. He also mentions Cousins as a potential streaming option for the upcoming week, suggesting he's a viable short-term play.

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Kyler Murray

PositiveValue11:00

Harmon pivoted to Kyler Murray as a streaming option after moving away from Justin Herbert. He expresses hope that Murray can return to his pre-bye form and continue running, suggesting he views Murray as a viable short-term streaming target.

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Luther Burden

PositiveProjection58:27

Luther Burden is ranked WR20 and should be started this week against the Falcons; he has a more fantasy-friendly role than Rome Odunze. With Caleb Williams returning, the Bears offense should spread the ball around more. The Falcons have given up the 8th most fantasy points to receivers, with at least 50 yards to 10 different receivers through the first five games. Burden's role is more fantasy-friendly than Odunze's downfield-target-dependent role.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveRole2:49

Just acquired by the Texans; creates synergy with CJ Stroud in the pass-heavy offense; Harmon was already optimistic on the Texans' passing attack before the Harrison trade, and the addition further bolsters the explosive passing game outlook.

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PositiveRole6:06

Matt Harmon has extensively covered Harrison's fit in the Texans' pass-heavy, explosive passing attack; he fits as the Z receiver running breaking routes with C.J. Stroud, who rips in breakers like his life depends on it, and the connection between the two Ohio State buddies appears to be elevating Harrison's effort and speed in practice.

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PositiveRole8:32

Marvin Harrison Jr. is described as "the epitome of an X" receiver in the Texans' spread offense under Ryan Day-style concepts. Harmon uses him as a reference point for the team's receiver hierarchy and scheme fit, positioning him as the primary outside receiver in a system that emphasizes Y-cross and breaker routes.

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Matthew Golden

PositiveProjection41:06

Matt Harmon is buying Matthew Golden, noting this is what the Packers expected and wanted from him. Golden and Christian Watson work well together as both can fill the deep or intermediate role in an offense running a lot of routes that work deep and intermediate. The improved offensive line helps the entire passing game. Harmon is 'definitely buying' both receivers given the offensive ecosystem and the fact that the line is no longer getting Jordan Love killed every snap.

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Michael Wilson

NegativeProjection43:59

Matt Harmon is selling Michael Wilson, not because of the player himself but because of the Cardinals offense ecosystem. The Cardinals are dead last in explosive dropback rate and second-to-last in explosive run rate, making them the least explosive offense in the NFL. With Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, the offense will be more reliant on Trey McBride, leaving Wilson in more underneath routes. Harmon notes Wilson would thrive with a quarterback who could take the top off the defense, but the Cardinals lack that element. The game scripts will be tough, and the lack of explosiveness will cap Wilson's upside this season, resulting in more 'six catches, 54 yards' performances rather than big blow-up weeks. Harmon still likes Wilson as a player and for dynasty reasons but sees tough sledding this season.

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Nico Collins

PositiveRole4:11

Nico Collins' return is cited as a positive factor in CJ Stroud's improved play and confidence; he's back in the Texans' pass-heavy offense.

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Ollie Gordon II

PositiveProjection27:00

Nate Smith believes Gordon is a legitimate waiver-wire pickup with real upside. The Dolphins are trying interesting things offensively and won't just run their heads against the wall. Gordon has shown pop and will be fed by a run-first offense. The Dolphins have favorable matchups ahead (Jets, Colts, Bills) and Gordon should continue getting touches despite the team's poor record.

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PositiveUsage27:00

Since Devon Etienne went down, Gordon has received 29 touches to 11 for Jalen Wright over two weeks, with 73% of touches going to Gordon versus 28% for Wright. He's run routes on 51% of dropbacks versus under 8% for Wright and is getting goal-line opportunities. The Dolphins are a run-first team under Bobby Slowik and the offensive line coach, and Gordon's size fits their gap-scheme approach better than Etienne's dynamic style.

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Parker Washington

NegativeRole0:27

Parker Washington received a dedicated segment discussion, with Matt Harmon noting the audience will likely enjoy the analysis of this wide receiver's early season performance.

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PositiveProjection30:00

Parker Washington is a top-15 NFL receiver and currently WR9 in fantasy. From December last year through now, he averages 85.9 yards per game, sixth among all receivers (behind Puka Nakua 124, Chris Talave 112, JSN 95, Zay Flowers 94, and Amon-Ra St. Brown 88.9). His hands are phenomenal with elite contested-catch ability, red-zone production, and versatility—he lines up outside, inside, and returns punts. He's a complete receiver who does everything well.

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PositiveRole30:00

When moved to the slot in Cohen's offense last year, Washington posted an 83% success rate versus zone coverage in reception perception, comparable to elite receivers like Garrett Wilson and Zay Flowers. He's the best open-field runner among all wide receivers charted by Smith, with the lowest percentage of open-field attempts brought down on first contact. He gets designed red-zone targets because of his elite contested-catch ability.

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PositiveProjection36:31

Matt Harmon charted Parker Washington as the best open field runner among all wide receivers in 2025, with the lowest percentage of open field attempts brought down on first contact (25%); he broke multiple tackles on 25% of plays charted, matching his first-contact rate. He had the sixth-best contested catch rate Harmon charted and was the only top-six player with an above-average high contested catch rate despite some drops. Since the beginning of last year, he ranks 12th in yards per route run (2.2) among all receivers, 8th in explosive plays per route, and 9th in first downs per route run. Harmon notes he's checking every box: elite ball winner, great route runner, excellent timing with Trevor Lawrence, and one of the toughest players to cover in the league due to separation and route-running ability. Harmon is buying and acknowledges he needs to move Washington ahead of some players in his dynasty rankings.

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Pat Freiermuth

NegativeProjection46:47

Matt Harmon lists Pat Freiermuth (tight end 8) in a group of tight ends being discussed for buy/sell analysis, but does not provide a specific take or analysis for Freiermuth in this segment.

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Patrick Mahomes

PositiveProjection8:45

Patrick Mahomes ranks sixth among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating strong performance in this efficiency metric.

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RJ Harvey

PositiveUsage51:40

Josh Norris proposed a theory that the Broncos should shelve JK Dobbins and make RJ Harvey the feature player because Harvey has more juice and is already being thrown the ball a ton (the Broncos throw to running backs 26.5% of their targets, the most in the league ahead of San Francisco's Christian McCaffrey). However, the Broncos did the opposite, continuing to rely on Dobbins. The theory suggests Harvey could be more effective as the primary back given his receiving volume and dynamic ability.

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PositiveProjection55:42

RJ Harvey over 3.5 receptions at -105 is a strong prop because the Seahawks push their DBs back and rally to tackle underneath, creating opportunities for screens and short passes; Harvey should see volume as a pass-catching option.

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Rome Odunze

PositiveProjection58:27

Rome Odunze is ranked WR26 and should be started this week against the Falcons defense, which is down some corners; the matchup is good and with Caleb Williams returning, the Bears offense should spread the ball around more than expected. The Falcons have given up the 8th most fantasy points to receivers, with at least 50 yards to 10 different receivers through the first five games.

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PositiveUsage58:27

Rome Odunze has returned to full usage after injury; in week 5 he was at 99% of snaps and 96% of routes run, up from 48% snaps and 55% routes in week 1 when coming off injury. With Caleb Williams returning, Odunze should see consistent high-volume usage.

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Sam Darnold

NegativeProjection57:33

Sam Darnold has not been seeing the field cleanly and is not ripping it over the middle; he took two sacks last week against the 49ers on quick game, which indicates he's not trusting what he's seeing. While the Seahawks' O-line is decent and the run game is solid, Darnold's explosive pass rate has dropped this year and he needs to be top-8 to top-10 in explosive pass rate for the offense to work, not just top-18 in success rate.

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Stefon Diggs

NegativeProjection40:45

Matt Harmon lists Stefan Diggs (wide receiver 29) in a group of receivers being discussed for buy/sell analysis, but does not provide a specific take or analysis for Diggs in this segment.

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Tank Dell

NegativeRole5:18

Tank Dell is referenced as a comparison point for Jalen Knoll's blocking ability; while Dell is 5'10", Knoll is a more sturdy, physical blocker with about 35+ more pounds, allowing him to handle insert blocking duties more effectively.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveProjection8:45

Trevor Lawrence ranks ninth among quarterbacks with 100+ pass attempts in Harmon's "suplex stat" (a measure of passing efficiency/volume), indicating solid performance in this efficiency metric.

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Xavier Hutchinson

NegativeDepth Chart5:41

Hutchinson's depth chart standing is in question as Jalen Knoll has run more routes than him over the last two weeks and appears to be taking over his role in the Texans' offense.

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NegativeRole8:38

Xavier Hutchinson has dropped back down to be the "dirty work guy" in the Texans' offense following the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade and Jamal Noon's emergence. Harmon indicates this is a role change reflecting the team's shift toward spread concepts and more explosive receiver usage.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Big show for you here today. It's our midweek show.
0:03We got Nate Tice joining us for a little buy or sell some early season surprises.
0:07We go position by position and talk about some guys who are soaring or maybe are finally bouncing back some surprising scores
0:13so far and whether we are buying that they're going to continue their stunning starts or if we're selling on what they're doing so far.
0:20We talked Jalen Warren. We talked Basial Toon. We talked Aaron Jones at the running back position.
0:24We talked Drake May at quarterback and plenty more.
0:27We got a big wide receiver discussion. A little segment on Parker Washington.
0:30I think you guys are going to like then we preview Thursday Night Football Seahawks Broncos.
0:35You're probably not gonna like that segment as much, especially if you drafted Jalen Waddle because I told you to my bad on that one.
0:41Then Boone joins the show for the verse flex fit check.
0:44We got three wide receivers, three running backs and two tight ends that are on the flex radar.
0:49Should you start him? Should you sit him? All that and more come up on today's show.
0:54Let's get into it. What's going on everyone. I'm Matt Harmon.
0:57Welcome to the Yahoo fantasy forecasted. It is a hell of a day to talk ball and joining me to do just
1:03that is my good friend Nate Tice. Nate, what's going on, buddy?
1:06Not too much. Week six. Nice, nice, nice little games to like, you know, for our preview show tomorrow football three or one.
1:12It was had to dig up. You had to churn it a little bit.
1:16You know, there wasn't some odd. There's a couple obvious games, but even in those obvious games, there's some weak units, Cowboys defense.
1:22But really, no, it's a it's fun. It's a fun week this week.
1:26I feel like it's gonna be a little wacky and wild NFL.
1:29Yeah, I did see for our horse fight game on football three or one tomorrow, which you guys should all be checking that show out.
1:36If you want an in-depth non-fantasy football preview, I do see for our horse fight game.
1:40We've got bears Falcons, which I think we should be in.
1:43I think we should be in the clear Nate, but there is a chance that game is Tyson Bajan versus to a tongue of Iowa.
1:50I think again, I think we're in the clear.
1:52Okay. I think I know. I know pumpkin versus pumpkin.
1:55And it struck midnight very quickly for Tyson Bajan.
1:58And it's always that good reminder of like their backups for a reason.
2:01And then there's a difference between those guys and the dudes, the real starters.
2:05Even if it's just I'm right. I'm writing a piece on the on the bears past catchers right now that I did not finish before the show.
2:12Sorry, editors. I'll get that done after this one's over.
2:15But basically, like the long and short of it is, hey, this is a tale as old as time.
2:20And backup comes in, looks pretty good for a little bit.
2:23Starters get back. Things like might look a little better.
2:26But anyways, we're not talking about the bears. I don't think today, but we are talking about 17 players.
2:31We are either buying or selling after their surprising starts to the fantasy football season.
2:35I've got a ton of wide receiver questions. I can't wait to throw at Nate Tice later in this show.
2:40Then, of course, as always, we will be talking Thursday night football Seahawks versus Broncos.
2:44Oh, that's a conversation I'm not looking forward to, particularly with one of those football teams.
2:49But I am looking forward to the final segment of the show, which is the first flex fit check with Justin Boone,
2:55where we go over some week six flex plays that you guys might be considering.
2:59But without further ado, let's get into the main topic of today.
3:02We're going to talk about 17 players here to determine if they are buys or sells the rest of the season.
3:08I'm going to ask these to you as groups here with the position.
3:11We'll see which ones you get gravitated to first here, Nate.
3:14For quarterbacks, we've got Drake May, who's currently the quarterback eight and trending up after two QB one overall performances.
3:20We've got Tyler Shuck, who is the QB 11 coming off his worst game of the NFL season.
3:24We also have CJ Stroud, who is QB 15 way out kicking his current or will certainly what his fantasy ADP was
3:30this year and obviously just got himself a new target in Marvin Harrison Jr.
3:34So those three guys, which one do you think you are buying the most right now?
3:39What they're putting on tape and like what their highs have been this season?
3:42Drake May, it's kind of hard not to like what you what you see the last couple of weeks, just the balance
3:48of rushing and passing design play shot plays everything.
3:51But I think that with AJ Brown coming back, that also is exciting as well.
3:55They have injuries right now, but it's Chisholm did a nice job for Matt Collins.
3:59Cale Lomu did a nice job for Will Campbell when he went out.
4:02Stevenson getting hurt is not or I'm sorry. Henderson getting hurt is not ideal because he was adding some splashes there.
4:08But again, I am the Stevenson apologist, but I do think that he's doing fine.
4:12But so Drake May to me is the probably the easiest one here.
4:16But can we talk about CJ Stroud, that Texans passing game?
4:19That is actually let's just do it because I feel like the Drake May one is like it's kind of what you guys expected before the season.
4:26It's like he's going to be a guy that's because the rushing ability is going to keep his four pretty high.
4:32He's not going to have the turnovers like he did before.
4:35Stroud, I think what the Texans are leaning into even before the Harrison trade is they're just going to lean into being a spread and shred passing game.
4:42And I think it's going to be pass heavy the rest of the season, even with the defense picking back up.
4:48I think they're just pivoting and they're just like, this is what we are.
4:52We can't run the ball when we run it just to run.
4:55They're almost gonna be like an air raid team.
4:57Like, I really do think that this is gonna be a pass heavy team.
5:01And I think that's what they're like. Our guy right now is playing really well.
5:05He's seeing the game really well. He's pushing the football.
5:08His sack yardage. This is the stat I've kind of really noticed.
5:11CJ Stroud, his first three years took the most yards per sack of all quarterbacks in the NFL.
5:16He was 37 of 37. This year, it's dropped about a yard and a half.
5:20What that means is more average. And I use that stat because he's taking sacks about the same rate, but he's stepping up in the pocket.
5:27He's playing confident again. He's trying throws again, helps have Nico Collins back.
5:31But now this was even before Marvin Harrison Jr.
5:33Got splashed in here that I was still getting optimistic about what this passing tech is and can be.
5:38But now with Marvin Harrison Jr., there's some cool synergy.
5:41I think you and I are on the same page, by the way.
5:44We haven't talked about it at all about how he can fit in there.
5:48But yeah, I think this could be a it's not gonna be always perfect again, but it's gonna be pass heavy and
5:54an explosive passing attack even without his rushing. But they sprinkled in a design run for him in the red zone all
6:00set out of nowhere, which was like, oh, okay, we're doing that now.
6:04But I'm buying what this passing game can be.
6:06Yeah, I had obviously a 45 minute conversation for my YouTube channel with James Coe about Marvin Harrison.
6:11I wrote about Marvin Harrison for my site as well.
6:14I talked about it on this show on Monday.
6:16First time you've ever talked about it. Ever. Ever.
6:19Yeah. Ever. We've had a long extended conversation about Marvin Harrison Jr.
6:22So obviously I've talked about it a ton this week.
6:25I'm sure we'll talk about it tomorrow too, Nate.
6:27So we can kind of maybe save some of our bullets for that one.
6:31But yeah, I agree with a lot of what you said.
6:34We're spread and shred. I think he fits in as the Z receiver here, as you know, I've said, and we'll, I'm sure expand on tomorrow.
6:41But like Jalen Knoll emerging for this team finally, we're gonna have to get Xavier Hutchinson off this depth chart at this point.
6:47Because Jalen Knoll has run more routes than him the last two weeks.
6:51He's been, I think he's run more routes than Kayshawn Bootyer.
6:54It's been pretty close the last two weeks. I know is more in one of these weeks here.
6:58And like, he's been very efficient, been very effective.
7:01What we want to see from him. 64% of the dropbacks the last two weeks, 2.86 yards per route run.
7:06I know you like to see him getting involved as like an insert blocker.
7:10The Texans social media team was highlighting that as well, which was cool to see.
7:14I retweeted a clip from Brandon Thorne, our friend who highlighted that as well.
7:18I mean, look, I know it's like people think, oh, you're fine.
7:21And I saw people in the comments, well, our 5'10 receiver doing that.
7:25That's how we got Tank Dell Hurts. Like, well, no, not really.
7:28Also, Jalen Knoll is a good blocker. And he's a tough, physical, much more sturdy guy.
7:32He's got about 35, maybe more pounds on Tank Dell.
7:35So he can do that stuff. And obviously, he's really good on these big breaking routes.
7:39I love to see Jalen Knolls connect where he finds a void and cover for anyways on what ended up being his touchdown.
7:46And then when he sees, oh, Stroud's in creation mode, he flips it off and runs on a string with him.
7:51And then they find each other. I thought that was really good to see for these guys.
7:56And I don't want to take the cheese too much on the Harrison thing here, but we're showing the clips.
8:01I'm going to say it anyways. I don't want to buy too much of this, but doesn't he already look a little
8:07faster and giving a lot more effort in these practices?
8:10Because back with his Ohio State, buddy. See, some guys, I've always said this.
8:14It's my joke. Seabiscuit the horse had this big fat horse that was his buddy named Pumpkin just to chill him out and calm him down.
8:21That was Jacoby Myers for the whole Jags room last year.
8:24But sometimes a guy needs a pumpkin. And maybe C.J.
8:26Stroud is the pumpkin in a good way for Marvin Harrison Jr.
8:30They have the connection. You said it the same way.
8:32I think Hayden Winks went back to back, you guys talking about it.
8:36And then he comes on to Football 3 on the Sunday recap show.
8:39And then I talk about it. I think we had the without even talking to each other, we had the exact same main point.
8:46It's like he's not an X. Maybe, though, as a Z running in breakers with a quarterback that rips in breakers like his life depends on it.
8:53OK, maybe that is the synergy that we can get back to.
8:56And it kind of could be Ohio State light, just like how Ohio State's been under Ryan Day, where they just spread it out.
9:03They run Y cross over and over. You got the epitome of an X, Marvin Harrison Jr.
9:08And then we both like Jamal Noon. I'm glad he brought up the blocking point because that's why I liked him coming out of college.
9:14It was what if Christian Kirk could block? That was my comparison for him.
9:18And now Xavier Hutchinson drops back down to be the dirty work guy.
9:22I don't know. I can buy into that. And again, underlying stats.
9:25I have my little suplex stat. Of all quarterbacks, there's 26 quarterbacks right now with 100 more pass attempts.
9:30C.J. Stroud is fourth right now. Josh Allen's one.
9:32Brock Purdy's two. Drake Mays three. C.J. Stroud's four.
9:35Goff five. Mahomes six. Burrow seven. Prescott eight. Trevor Lawrence nine.
9:38Matthew Stafford ten. So that's not by mistake that he's ranked up that high.
9:42Those are all the dudes that are playing well right now.
9:45And so let's just lean into it. It's not going to all be perfect, but let's just chuck it, baby.
9:50And I think that's what they realized, too. And weeks two and three, no Nico Collins.
9:54And they weren't playing Noel yet because he was coming off a lot of those injuries.
9:59And that was when he was playing with just guys who just I mean, it's the PPR scam with Dalton Schultz and
10:05a bunch of receivers who don't get open on the boundary.
10:08So I think that's pretty good context there from a fantasy standpoint, too, is QB nine in overall points right now.
10:13So, I mean, there's definitely a lot here from a fantasy standpoint for him to get.
10:18And it's just this is one of those things with these guys.
10:21If the pocket passers are going to throw the football ton and I mean, he has a little bit of rushing juice
10:27does CJ Stroud when he wants to use it.
10:29He just doesn't use it very often. But when these guys are going to throw the ball ton, when they're going to
10:35be in spread concepts like, yeah, he can have Jordan Love, Matthew Stafford, like Kirk Cousins.
10:40All these guys are kind of in the same bucket as Stroud.
10:43It's not too far off of like what Dak Prescott is giving you right now.
10:47I mean, Prescott, I think, can get a little better.
10:50But yeah, I ultimately think this is where this team is going after the Harrison trade.
10:54So he's one of these guys that if you drafted Justin Herbert, whatever, you know, you've gotten off that hopefully by now at this point.
11:01He is definitely someone that I know about my fancy team.
11:04Oh, brother, because because that's how I pivoted. I went from Herbert to Stroud.
11:08I was like, I'm seeing where these are going.
11:10Boom. I'm I am on the I drafted Herbert in the experts league, which is just was I got a lot of problems on that team.
11:17But Herbert was my biggest problem. I pivoted to like Kyler Murray last week.
11:21It was Jacoby reset this week. It's going to be Kirk Cousins.
11:24And I'm hoping like Murray can come back and just keep running like he did before the buy.
11:29So that's where I'm at with that situation here.
11:31I'm not streaming quarterbacks this year. Turns out I am.
11:34Turns out I didn't think I was. But here I am.
11:37But if you are streaming quarterbacks, I think I think we're in agreement that CJ Stroud's in a really good situation here
11:43to be one of those streaming quarterbacks. I just think he's played so much better.
11:47Yeah. Stafford one is kind of where we're at here.
11:50And yeah. And ultimately, too, like Nick Cayley came over from the Rams, and this has been much more of a Patriots team.
11:56You and I have talked about that. But I mean, I think Stroud is pretty equipped to run that, especially now that they have all these eligibles.
12:03I clipped a play on my film burner account where it was against the Cowboys.
12:07And basically, it was. Yeah. Nico runs the vertical X receiver route, which, of course, he stacks and gets open on Duran Bland like everybody does.
12:14Jalen Knoll, kind of the quick little out player who's kind of your check down guy.
12:19And then Xavier Hutchinson was the big end breaker.
12:21I think he kind of should have flattened the route out and gave Stroud a better target.
12:26He doesn't catch it anyways. I'm like, now just imagine that's that's Marvin Harrison instead of Xavier Hutchinson.
12:31I think that looks that looks pretty cool, in my opinion, regardless of what you think about Harrison.
12:36I think it's a nice little upgrade there. OK, so you mentioned Drake May.
12:39I do just want to quickly go back to that one, because, again, he was disappointing to start the season for sure.
12:45We got A.J. Brown coming back here soon. I don't really know what Brown will look like.
12:50It probably won't be this week, but at some point he will be back once he's in the mix here.
12:55Like, what do you think he files in as Kyle Williams showed a little something in limited reps after Chisholm?
13:01I charted A.J. against the Raiders because I'm a sick pup.
13:04So where are we at with this Raider? Excuse me, this Patriots kind of offensive ecosystem that we've had questions about relative to Drake May's performance.
13:11It makes sense. We're talking about, oh, you know, hey, look at the schedule here coming up.
13:15Pretty good schedule here for Drake May. Drake May, the schedule, the narrative lives on.
13:19Yeah, no, actually, part of the optimism is that and it just feels a lot better.
13:24And, you know, I wrote a deep dive on May and the whole Patriots offense and just kind of going like, hey,
13:30you guys can't just keep rolling the ball out and running what you've run for years and years.
13:35And I think McDaniels and Doug Marone, their offensive line coach, they've done a lot of nice things pass game and run
13:41game wise to kind of they're still getting to their staples, but just nice little wrinkles.
13:45And why I bring that all up. I know what May's upside is and what his ceiling is, or at least we've seen that those glimpses of it.
13:52So it's nice that the floor has been risen by the offense a little bit.
13:57It's not just him making miracle throw after miracle throw.
13:59I think Chisholm's first catch was a really nice design where they motioned the running back out, what I call the no man's land.
14:06And you can see the Raiders, Quay Walker going like, I think I have to walk out with a running back.
14:11And then it undresses the defense and may just like, oh, man coverage.
14:15Boom. There's Chisholm for like a 20, 18 yard gain, like right off the bat right there.
14:20There was other plays that Chisholm actually to off a play action where they changed up to design.
14:24They're getting Eli Raritan going a tight end. I'm very high on, but they're actually getting them going on vertical shots as well.
14:31So they're, they've kind of tweaked their personnel. And I think that's even before AJ Brown comes back.
14:36Romeo Dobbs has picked up some OPR, some DPIs now.
14:38That's actually nice. And now imagine AJ Brown being on those vertical elements.
14:42I'm curious of how they kind of move these parts around, but it's not a bad thing.
14:46Like I, that just kind of like how the Texans are.
14:49They don't have maybe the true ace like Nico Collins, but they really do have just enough juice that gets me a
14:55little bit more excited about what this offense could be and not make it as hard on may.
15:00So is he going to be number one every week?
15:03No, but they're playing some weaker defenses. He's always going to have some rushing.
15:07He's, he's scrambling at a high rate. He's a very efficient scrambler right now as well.
15:11He's not taking big hits so that I think that can keep going.
15:15And then the passing game just feels a little bit more alive and the run game actually feels a little bit more alive.
15:21So I've been very encouraged by the past couple of weeks and Bill's defense isn't great.
15:25Raiders defense isn't amazing, but they're tolerable and, and they do some interesting stuff this year.
15:29And, but now we're going against the jets. Who's kind of equivalent, I would say to the Raiders defense, but then the bears defense has weaknesses.
15:36Dolphins defense has a lot going on. Good. Mostly bad.
15:39And then Packers defense is gettable. They're not, but they've been doing some interesting stuff too.
15:44And then they got the lines defense. Like that's just the chunk before the bi-week.
15:48So this should be a nice one. Not true week, week, week defenses, maybe other than the dolphins, but not the Seahawks.
15:54Not even the Steelers defense was actually pretty good.
15:56Not those defenses, the Jaguars defense, which is pretty good.
15:59Like going against maybe some more tolerable schedule here.
16:01Yeah. I just think it matters, especially with the way that offense is designed and other doing some more, some more unique things, which is good.
16:08But I think that's always going to give them an advantage when they go against some of these lesser defenses here.
16:14Let's get to the running backs here. We've got five guys here to talk about.
16:18Jalen Warren is running back 10 in points per game.
16:21Chuba Hubbard is running back six in points per game.
16:23Basial Tootin is running back 14 in overall points, running back 19 in points per game.
16:28Aaron Jones has been unbelievable. Another one of the guys is saving my butt in the experts league.
16:33He is the running back for, excuse me, running back 16 in points per game.
16:37And then Ollie Gordon just dunking on us for having skepticism about him as a waiver wire option.
16:41His last three games has been 12, 12, 14 here.
16:44So of these five guys, who do you think you're buying the most?
16:48Again, what they're putting on tape, their situation, they kind of continue this really strong performance that they're having.
16:53I think the Jalen Warren would be the one man.
16:56That's actually kind of tough. The most I would go with Jalen Warren, but this is hard because I'm going to talk about both sides of my mouth.
17:03So this is one of those where it's like they have to, they're going against the Bucks this week too.
17:09So it's a terrible matchup because the Bucks run defense is really good.
17:12But they have reconfigured their run game. They have started doing stuff that I've been wanting them to do, which is they
17:18should become more of a gap scheme, duo scheme, and just run at you runs with their big, burly, young offensive line.
17:24That's very good. And also with their blocking tight ends and their block, even DK Metcalf, they're blocking receivers right now, but
17:30they just have the Aaron Rodgers conundrum. He's going to always want to get his, and he's going to always want to
17:36do some dink and dunk, but it's like maybe some of these game flows can be good.
17:40Even one where he's barely getting touches, he finishes with that production like he did last week against the Colts.
17:46So I buy into it though. I think they have leaned in.
17:49The Browns game was very telling where they just went, Hey, we're on a duo.
17:53I think their first 10 run plays were duo.
17:56And I think the first couple of weeks before that, they ran it like four or five times.
18:01So I was encouraging to me that was like, they're reconfiguring it.
18:04And why I'm bringing up duo bunches that fits their personnel and it fits his running style really well.
18:09So that's the one I'm buying the most into, even if there's going to be some Rogers frustration where he wants to
18:15do the dink and dunk stuff going against Todd Bowles, especially this week.
18:18But I think long-term there's going to be some real good pop games for him because Warren Warren's a good back, man.
18:24And I think that they're leaning into a run scheme.
18:27That's much better for him. He's okay on zone, but duo and gap stuff is what he's best at.
18:32And they, I think are leaning into that with their whole line.
18:35So yeah, I've been, I've been encouraged what they're doing on offense.
18:39I think it's really good to hear Aaron Rogers talk highly of Jalen Warren.
18:43He also talked really highly of Jeremy Bernard. Like that stuff just really matters with Rogers.
18:47He wants his guys on the field. And if you're not one of his guys, you're not going to get on the football field.
18:53You're not going to get targets. Uh, the last, since week four, Jalen Warren has been on the field for 92% of the snaps.
19:00He's run around on 76% of the dropbacks. He's been targeted on 20% of his routes.
19:04It's not quite at the Kenny Gainwell scam that it was last year, but who cares?
19:09Because Jalen Warren is a significantly better runner, right?
19:11Like he, he fits the scheme to your point that you're talking about here.
19:15So I think it's also, again, some signal here in Mike McCarthy one week ago saying, well, when Rico daddle gets back,
19:21we're going to go back to like kind of a split backfield.
19:24It's gonna be a committee. And then he has this monster game against, uh, the Colts this last week.
19:29And Rogers talks highly about him. And then what do you know?
19:32Mike McCarthy says Jalen Warren is our feature player right now.
19:35Again, that's always tough to trust, but it does feel like there's a storyline building here.
19:40Yep. Again, the Browns game was the one that like stood out to me.
19:43It was like, they're like, Hey, this is the best way we can get taxed this defense.
19:48And that was Warren running right up the gut and doing it in different ways.
19:52Like they're doing different personnel groupings and it just fits what they do.
19:56So, um, or fits their personnel, what they should be doing anyways.
19:59And no. So I, I, that's a great point about Rogers is that it warrants really good in pass pro.
20:04So that's another thing. Rico Donald isn't. So that's another thing.
20:07Rogers is going to trust the guy that's better in pass pro.
20:11So that, that can just lead to always that floor of reps and plays that he's going to be on the field.
20:16I guess. I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I really, would you have thoughts on Basial tootin?
20:22Like every fantasy podcast is talking about Basial tootin as a guy that people should trade for.
20:27You should go buy him. Um, the results haven't quite been there yet, you know, from, uh, these last two games have not really been ideal.
20:34I think he looks great. I think the, the run scheme looks like it fits his style.
20:39So yeah, you do, I guess, do you have any thoughts on, on tootin?
20:42Is he a guy you'd buy or sell rest of season?
20:45It's like, I, this is tough because real football, I'm liking what they're doing, all that stuff, like the usage of him, how he looks real football.
20:53It's not leading to amazing fantasy results though. So it's tough.
20:56It's which one am I, I, I'm buying in that.
20:58He's always going to get those. Like, honestly, what has he been the last 20 something the last few weeks?
21:04That's what it always going to feel like to me, like where it's more running back to ish.
21:09And, you know, he's going to be on the fields for some past pro reps, but then they rotate their backs.
21:14They get Quinn, the Quinn Allen out there and pass pro stuff.
21:18Um, their run game has been good, like it's been successful.
21:21It's been explosive, but they do everything. They pass a ton.
21:24They, they, everybody's got like, Trevor's really the only guy I'm like, want to buy, you know, I know we're going to
21:30talk about some other guys, but it's just one of these things where it's like, it's a good, real football offense.
21:35It's really tough to go like, yeah, this is going to be a fancy smash week.
21:40Cause they lean on different guys every single week.
21:42And, and also they can't get out of their own way.
21:45There's so many tootin plays that have been called back because of holds.
21:49It's penalties that it's like, there's been several explosives that have been called back.
21:52Not that's not his fault at all. So this one's really tough for me where it's like, I was like, if I have them, I'm holding them.
22:00If I can like, but in other senses, I'm like, kind of like, I think there's always gonna be kind of a
22:06ceiling because they spread it around so much. And just what this offense does, uh, like where I'm not going to go,
22:12like he's going to end up running back five for the rest of the year.
22:16But if you have them great, like start them every week, he's going to get touches and they have a pretty good,
22:22they have a really good offense and a good eco.
22:24System for him to always get kind of nice touches.
22:27That's partly why I don't want to overthink this too much.
22:30Like I hear all, all of what you're saying on this.
22:33I mean, some of the reasons to be concerned, but don't you think.
22:36The famous last words, don't you think some of these mistakes, like the holds that won't happen as much or like clean up.
22:43I'll just, just get out of his own way at the goal line with some of these goofball plays that they've called here.
22:49Because if you were like, if you were to tell me, Nate, middle of August, if you were to tell me that
22:55the Jaguars through five weeks are going to be third in zone rushing success rate as a zone based team, which, which
23:01they are, uh, they were going to be fifth in yards after contact per rush attempt.
23:05And Basial Tootin was going to have 61 carries to, uh, excuse me, 82 carries to 28 for Chris Rodriguez.
23:11I'd be like, Oh, Basial Tootin is returning your second round fantasy value.
23:14And the offense is one of the best in the league.
23:17So there's just, this is the thing. There's so many indicators that say, Hey, this should be better than it has been for Tootin so far.
23:24And I don't, I don't, I think you and I both are in agreement that he's not failing the eye test by any means.
23:31So it just feels like it should happen at some point, but he does have some, some questions in terms of just
23:37the targets out of the backfield, the goal line rush attempts that, you know, haven't quite been there yet.
23:42Yeah. And that's, that's the thing too, is the targets out of the backfield is they just have so many miles to feed.
23:48That's like, they don't need them. Yeah. And maybe a week there is that they need them and all that.
23:53But so, I mean, that's a Jacob Gibbs. Yeah.
23:56Great stat here. It's like, he's always got this floor up.
23:59He's going to get the 60 to 80 rushing yards, but it's never feel like there's going to be that 170 yard
24:05to game, 120 yard game with two touchdowns. Like everyone's going to kind of get there.
24:09So that's why it's hard. It's like, I think it's a good floor, but a capped ceiling.
24:14So I know that's why I'm kind of like sound like I'm talking all over the place about them because it's good.
24:20It's just not a huge ceiling razor. I don't know if that's the best way to put it, but that's how I'm going to put it.
24:27Makes complete sense. Last one running back. I want to ask about, unless you've got big thoughts on Hubbard and Gordon, because
24:33this guy feels like a great, maybe a sell high.
24:35Like this is the right moment is Aaron Jones, Minnesota Vikings.
24:38He's been excellent. He's been excellent for this team and is taking a ton of work.
24:43And you and I talked about this, I think on 301 a couple of weeks ago that they just needed to, and
24:49we both have the same conclusion, which is they just needed to take their zone run game and throw it in the trash.
24:55And they kind of have last week on his touchdown.
24:58They pull the guard. There's a, there's a fullback to lead and he just pops up like big time physical run for
25:04quote, old man, Aaron Jones pops that thing into the end zone.
25:07It's just, can this party continue to go on with Aaron Jones's injury history?
25:11He got a little nicked up in that game.
25:13Jordan Mason is coming back. What do you expect this offense to look like upon the return of Jordan Mason when they come back from by this week?
25:21Yeah, this is nothing against Aaron Jones, but this is a, it feels to me like a great sell high because of
25:27Mason coming back because Jones just at his age and his, his touch and injury history, it's always kind of like a ticking time bomb.
25:33It's like, when's it going to happen? When's he going to miss four games?
25:37Like when is it going to happen at this point in the season?
25:41So it's like, if you've got them, like you just mentioned at the beginning of the show, it's like, great.
25:46Like, and I do think that they are figuring out their, their run game and everything.
25:50Like they, that's a great point. I think it was, they had 15 carries zone carries, uh, this past week.
25:56Nice little projection. Oh, by week. That's right. Um, 15 carries zone carries.
25:59And it was like a 33% success rate. And then they had 10 gap or duo carries and it was a 50% success rate.
26:06So it's like, that's just, I test it's just, there's proof there that they're better at this Mason might be kind of hard though.
26:12Cause Mason's always been on a zone runner. Cause that's what just teams he's been on.
26:17Yeah. You would think that he could be good at the gap and duo stuff, but that's never been on offense that he's really leaned into.
26:24So I'm not even sure I can like put my, hang my head on like kind of that analysis, but I do
26:30think it'll become more of a split. Even if Jones is healthy, because just, that's what it is.
26:35Like, I think they want to save touches and save the juice of Jones throughout this entire season.
26:39And I think Mason's just going to eat into a little bit of that.
26:43And I mean, he's getting so many touches so far.
26:46So it's like, he's going to absolutely eat into that in some way, shape or form.
26:50But I do think the Vikings ecosystem is getting healthier and they're figuring out their formula for this season.
26:55Um, like that as an aside. Okay. I lied.
26:58I do want to ask about Ollie Gordon and the dolphins before we move on here.
27:02Um, I, I think Ollie Gordon's a good back.
27:05Uh, my skepticism on Ollie Gordon as a waiver wire option was not that, oh yeah, he's going to, he stinks or anything like that.
27:11It's just, Hey, it wasn't working out for Devon H and how is it going to work out for Ollie Gordon?
27:17Who's not as dynamic of a talent as Devon H and yet the last two weeks, it's really worked out for Ollie Gordon.
27:23Uh, since Devon H and went down 24, 55 at a touch 11, a hundred and touch 1888 at touch.
27:29I mean, 29 touches compared to 11 for Jalen, right?
27:31The last two weeks, if you look at some of the opportunity metrics, 73% of the touches go to Ollie Gordon, sub 28% for Jalen, right?
27:38Uh, he's run a route on 51% of the dropbacks.
27:41Jalen Wright has run a route on under 8% of the dropbacks.
27:44So goal line opportunities. He's, he's been getting there on that.
27:47What are your thoughts on Gordon as a player and any thoughts on the dolphins offense, which obviously stinks from a results
27:53perspective, but maybe from a process standpoint, Nate. Yeah, it's been good process.
27:57Like they actually do some interesting stuff. I talked about this Derek class and yesterday on football three one, where we did silver linings for bad teams.
28:04And I was like, it's their tank is right on schedule.
28:07Yeah. It's, it's their tank is like, this is how a tank should look like.
28:11They're not good, but they're trying to do stuff with their young players.
28:15They're not just running their heads against the wall.
28:17They're doing some really interesting run game stuff. Like they tried stuff against the Vikings rather than just go, Oh, we can't do anything.
28:24Um, and I think they're going to feed there.
28:26And I think, you know, because of the old line coach and because of Bobby Slocke, they're going to be a run first team.
28:33So Ollie Gordon is a Haas. Like he's a big dude.
28:36And I think they're just going to run them.
28:38Like, I, I really do think that. And he's had a little bit, a little bit of pop to him.
28:43Um, and I think that's some of them because with the run game, they do, they don't run as many RPOs as
28:49I thought they were going to, which is a good thing for Gordon, because those are true runs and the runs where
28:55the receivers are blocking the safeties, which can lead to explosive runs as opposed to running a route.
29:00So I do think this is real. If you scooped them up in the waiver wire, way to go.
29:05Jalen Wright has shown that he's not dependable. So that's part of it too.
29:09So it's not like, Oh no, they got a young talent, a guy they want to get touches to.
29:14So yeah, I think if you got Gordon, like have fun with it because I think that's like, there was a great
29:20waiver ad and I think he's going to get a bunch of touches.
29:24It's just more, they're, they're not a good team.
29:26So it's always going to be susceptible to that.
29:29Like, you know, they're going to get, but they play teams like the jets this week, you know, or after the buy.
29:35So I do think that they have some nice matchups.
29:37They play the Colts in a couple of weeks.
29:40So they got the bills a week after that.
29:42So it's not like they're playing a murderers row of defenses.
29:45The Patriots defense is pretty good, but it's not like a murderers row.
29:49So they're going to be in some of these games where he's going to still get those touches, but yeah, have fun
29:55with it because I do think that the offense is trying stuff, even if it's not great.
29:59Yeah. Dolphins are fifth in percentage of runs that come on gap concepts, according to the numbers I have here.
30:05And that feels like a Bobby slow. Like, Hey, you guys said I couldn't do gap scheme when I was in his own.
30:11Yeah. Guess what? I'm going to press that button.
30:13I'm a Shanahan guy. Watch this shit. So, yeah.
30:16And Hey, look, now we've got a big burly back to do it with.
30:20So maybe that's why it's happening for Gordon and not happening for Devon H.
30:23And that was, that was a really good explanation by you there.
30:27Okay. I've saved it long enough here. We're doing wide receivers now.
30:30Okay. Okay. Okay. Here we go. And before we, before we have the list, I told you, and I told producer Colin,
30:36I want to play a little clickbait game here with Parker Washington, who was not one of the guys we were going
30:42to talk about, because I think we've just all established like, yeah, Parker Washington is awesome.
30:46But I want to ask you, Nate, how awesome is Parker Washington?
30:49And I will ask it to you this way.
30:52I'm going to list off wide receivers. You tell me when I should stop when I get to somebody that is not,
30:58is, is not better than Parker Washington, that you wouldn't rank higher than Parker Washington.
31:02Okay. I've, I've, so you, these are, this is the parameters of the clickbait game.
31:06So, so I, so I'm, I'm listening. So I'm saying, tell you to stop when the player is better than Parker Washington,
31:12when the player is no, when the player is that you would take Parker Washington ahead of this guy.
31:17Like, okay. Okay. So like my number one guy is Justin Jefferson.
31:20I assume you're going to say yes. Okay. Yeah.
31:23All right. Number two, Jamar chase. Number three, Jackson Smith and Jigba.
31:26Number four, Puka Nakua. Number five, CD lamb. Number six, Nico Collins.
31:29Number seven. I'm on Ross St. Brown. This is like kind of my personal wide receiver quality rankings, by the way, this
31:35is not the same as mine too. Yeah. We're on the same wavelength here.
31:39We talk a lot. Number eight, Drake London. Number 10, Malik neighbors.
31:42Number nine, Malik neighbors. Sorry. I can count. Number 10, Chris Olave.
31:45Number 11. Don't think about age here. Just think about player.
31:48Mike Evans. Number 12, George Pickens. Number. Now we're getting into a range.
31:52Yeah. Okay. Number 13. Zay flowers. It's a tough one.
31:55Oh, I kind of, I kind of prefer Parker there.
31:57So that's, yeah, we're now we're going to, I kind of prefer Parker and just the weirdest way.
32:02Just some of the other stuff that he can do on top of what's that he can do, but go, What's the next one.
32:09So, cause I want to be here. Wilson. Garrett Wilson.
32:11Oh, I would take Parker over Garrett Wilson. I, Oh, you would take Parker.
32:15Okay. Murder for that. Am I going to get murdered for that?
32:18But that's also real football sets too. I appreciate what Garrett is, but this is the range.
32:23I'm considering Parker Washington in right now. Catches everything.
32:26So he walks inside, outside returns punts. Like this dude rocks.
32:28Like he is a really good wide receiver. I don't know what else to say.
32:33I mean, I mean, I'm going to make, make me stop 30 million, 31 million.
32:3732. My, my next guys were going to be, my next guys are going to be like Tedro McMillan.
32:42You know, you get, you get into like the Jalen Coker zone, T Higgins zone.
32:46Yeah. But I think this is the, this is the Terry McLaurin.
32:49Like this is the aisle we're shopping in here.
32:52It's a top 15 NFL receiver, top 15 NFL receiver.
32:54And I mean, he is right now the wide receiver nine in fantasy.
32:58He's coming off a wide receiver, three level performance from this past weekend.
33:01And if you just go back to December of last year in the regular season to now, so playoffs included, this is
33:07yards per game from, from all wide receivers, Pukunakua, 124, Chris, Talave, one or two JSN 95.
33:12Zay flowers, 94. I'm going to Ross St. Brown, 88.9 Parker, Washington, 85.9 CD lamb, 84.
33:16That's all the guys who are above 80 yards per game in that span.
33:20So top six production, which you could say, Oh, production's inflated because Liam Cohen's offense, whatever, whatever.
33:25But we're saying like, no, he's a, he's a top 15 NFL receiver.
33:28If Garrett Wilson or Zay flowers was producing like Parker Washington in this long, I mean, Zay flowers is kind of producing
33:34at this level, but that's a bad example. Garrett Wilson, or, you know, one of these guys was doing it.
33:39We'd all be like, Hey, George Pickens. He did it last year.
33:43Everybody's totally on board. Like, of course he's that type of process.
33:46He's that type of player. He's that type of prospect.
33:49I mean, Parker Washington is that type of player right now.
33:52So I just want to kind of wanted to get a gauge where you are from like, is this real standpoint?
33:57It certainly feels like you are saying it is very, very real.
34:01Oh yeah. And it's one of these where he does in such different ways every week.
34:05Like there's the, I mean, his hands are phenomenal.
34:07Some of the best in the game, like period.
34:10Doesn't matter. No, no caveats there. Like period contested catches, how he catches over the middle red zone, ed zone stuff, like over the head getting hit.
34:17He gets designs in the red zone in this offense for a reason, because he's so good on those.
34:22There's a reason he's a punt returner because it's just, he's trustworthy and he has a little bit dynamic ability.
34:28I always come back to the Broncos game too, last year where it was just like, he was torching them and some,
34:34you know, a couple of broken plays, but he did it in like three different ways, you know, outbreak or underneath intermediate.
34:40Now he's catching fade balls and go balls and posts and stuff.
34:43So it's a complete receiver. Is he the most, is he the fastest?
34:46No, but he's just really, really good. Like he's just, yeah, he's just good at what he does at playing wide receiver.
34:52And he can just do everything. They ask vertical intermediate underneath screens, blocking just does everything well.
34:57So no, I, that's the thing I'm with you.
34:59I, all that, that's a really tough list because it's like, I think gun to head, I'd be taking like T Higgins,
35:05you know, and probably maybe in Tetra Mcmillan and everything, but it's like, that's the thing he's in that tier.
35:11He's not just like a little though. So in fairness, I know, I know he's just, he's just, but I think that's a great point.
35:17It's just that he is just in that tier of what, whatever you want to call that tier two, whatever, whatever you
35:23want to call that type of group of receivers, but man, he's, he's awesome.
35:27Yeah. It's maybe, maybe bottom. Yeah. Well, you are a sizes.
35:30Come on. I mean, you're like bottom of maybe bottom of tier two, maybe tip, tippy, tippy top of tier three.
35:36Um, you know, well, I know again, if we're being introspective here, I mean, you and I are a long time Parker, Washington guys.
35:42Like I've mentioned this before on the show, but we're texting about park.
35:46Yeah. Texting about Parker, Washington. I can remember like being on, walking on my treadmill in my garage and El Segundo.
35:52And I lived in California. That was like four years ago at this point.
35:55Time flies, baby. I was on when we texted about him.
35:58So funny that we were both working out when texting about him.
36:02Parker, Washington gets the juices flowing. What can, what can we say?
36:05Um, so yeah, we're long time like supporters of Washington, but if you know how this goes sometimes, like does the general
36:11consensus get ahead of even you, when you get like, when you're high on a player.
36:15And I think that kind of has happened, but I think based on what we're seeing so far, we really do buy this.
36:21And, you know, obviously people know I chart routes, the route charts are, are popular.
36:25And Parker Washington, when he was, uh, as a, when he finally got moved from the boundary to the slot and Cohen's
36:31offense last year, he had like a 83% success rate versus zone coverage and reception perception, which by the way would be
36:37like the Garrett Wilson, the Z flowers, like those, that area of players.
36:41But also I don't just chart route folks. I don't just chart routes.
36:44I tweeted this out this weekend. Uh, I chart everything.
36:47Uh, I think it's pretty easy to argue that Parker Washington 2025 was the best open field runner among all wide receivers.
36:53I charted, uh, like he had the lowest percentage of his open field attempts that he was brought down on first contact.
36:59Obviously he is a punt returner that you saw that on the 51 yard touchdown.
37:03And he was in space a lot as a, as a slot based player.
37:07So broke multiple tackles on 25%. He was brought down on first contact on 25% of the plays I charted.
37:12You're at the same rate of broken, like multiple broken tackles and brought them down on first contact.
37:17You're a baller. And he had, uh, the sixth best contested catch rate I charted, but he was the only guy in
37:23the top six that had a above average, like high contested catch rate.
37:27So he had some weird drops last year, but ultimately, yeah, I mean, he's, he's an elite ball winner despite the fact that he's five, 10 and whatever.
37:34Yeah. So even just looking at other underlying stats, like, okay, everybody loves yards per route run.
37:39So this is since the beginning of last year, he's 12th, 12th among all receivers, right?
37:43Like, and it's, it's all the dudes above him.
37:46So George Pickens is 11th. Jamar chase is 13th.
37:48Yeah. He's at 2.2 yards per crystal lava is at 14th, you know?
37:52And so it's like a bunch of those dudes.
37:54I'm on rustling Brown's ninth, which actually is kind of a usage comparison to him as well.
37:59But explosive route explosives per route. He's eight, you know, and again, this is a guy that doesn't just have to live off.
38:05It's not like Alec Pierce, you know, Alec Pierce is going to be up there with a ton of explosives because that's how he, that's how he wins.
38:12Parker does everything. So you mentioned the open field stuff.
38:15And then now he's at in the vertical element as well.
38:18And just like first, first downs per route run, he's at 9%, which is exactly what you want him to be at.
38:24So it's just good yardage. It's guy, he's moving the chains.
38:27Now he's gathering up explosives and now he's getting red zone touches as well.
38:31So it's just a complete receiver right now. And if I had like one criticism, like my, like about, about his profile
38:37from 2025, that didn't necessarily get better. Once he moved into the slot was how much can you consistently win against like
38:43press man coverage, which you get hidden in the slot with this kind of stuff.
38:47I think this year he's taken a massive leap in forward in that regard on these big breaking vertical routes.
38:52So it's kind of just like check, check, check, check, check, check, check, A lot of box.
38:57He is here. We are checking on Parker Washington.
38:59So there's your quick base or his touch, two touchdowns against the Eagles.
39:03One was a bootleg. They broke attack or he made guys, a bunch of guys miss on our new throw.
39:08And then the other is he's a fourth down dunking on, I wouldn't say dunking, but coming down and contested against Rick
39:14Wolin, who's six, four, you know, 200 and whatever pounds has arms, like a pterodactyl.
39:18So it's just like, those are, that's exactly where we're talking about.
39:21So those two different types of touches. And it's funny, sorry, Garrett Wilson was the guy I made him stop.
39:27His other stats, like success rate per route are like literally right there.
39:30Him and Garrett Wilson are right next to each other.
39:33But Parker has more kind of yards per hour.
39:36And so it's kind of funny that they're actually next to each other in these stats too.
39:40Yeah. It's just, I mean, if you think about receiver play, he just is, he's there with, he's one of the toughest
39:46players to cover in the league right now. Cause he gets separation.
39:49He's great route runners. Timing is great with his quarterback too.
39:52I mean, Trevor loves him. I always come back to the interview that I did with Trevor at the Superbowl this year,
39:58where he, I'm like having him scout all of his receivers and he doubles back to talk about how awesome he thinks Parker Washington is.
40:05So there's that. And then, yeah, he's one of the best ball winners in the NFL.
40:09He's one of the best, like when you get the ball in his hands, one of the best players there.
40:15So it's just checking all the boxes. So there's your clickbait segment on, on Parker Washington, just where he ranks among NFL receivers.
40:21So we're clearly buying there. And I desperately need to put him ahead of some of the dudes.
40:26I have him behind in my dynasty ranking. So I need to catch up to my own thoughts on that one.
40:32I apologize to my subscribers out there. Okay. Okay.
40:34Here's the other guys. I just want to like, give you a quick list on, we're not going to talk about all
40:40these players, but give me some of the guys that, you know, you're kind of buying here.
40:45Christian Watson, wide receiver, three, Matthew golden, wide receiver, 11, Denzel Boston, wide receiver, 18, Michael Wilson, wide receiver, 20, Devon, wide
40:51receiver, 23, Stefan Diggs, wide receiver, 29. So who are you most comfortable with their performance relative to what you're seeing on tape and their environment and everything?
40:58The two Packers receivers, obviously they're coming off a huge week, but now that the offensive line is, it's not good.
41:04It's tolerable. It's just not the worst thing we've ever seen.
41:07Yeah. It's not the worst thing we've ever seen.
41:09I'm curious more about their run game and how sticky that is, but I know what Jordan love and how he likes to play.
41:16And he's, I mean, their offense just went, Hey, we're just going bombs away.
41:20Like we're not going to nickel and dime anymore.
41:22Like we are just launching some stuff. And I think Watson's playing phenomenal.
41:26And just like his hands are so much better now.
41:28He's so much more confident, but then golden and they work off each other so well.
41:33Cause both of these guys can be the deep guy.
41:35Both of these guys can be the intermediate guy.
41:38And that's offense is a lot of routes that work deep and intermediate.
41:41And top of it with our guy, Tucker craft is kind of like the cherry on top.
41:46So I'm buying into both of those guys. I'm really buying into Watson.
41:49Cause he still is the number one, but he looks awesome.
41:52Golden to yeah. But golden too, is like, this is what they expected.
41:56This is what they wanted out of him, how much he can bring as well.
42:00So those two, I'm definitely buying with that offensive ecosystem is right now.
42:03Cause again, Oh, it's more about the old line than maybe their ability, but because now the old line is not getting Jordan love killed.
42:10Every time they snapped the ball, that is going to really, really kind of make it all feel a lot better.
42:16I think that makes so much sense. And I don't know if you feel the same way.
42:20I Christian Watson was a guy. I didn't really like early on in his career.
42:25It was pretty mixed on him as a prospect.
42:27He's made so, yeah, he's made so many improvements incrementally.
42:30The last two years after coming back from the ACL, I thought his zone coverage recognition and breaks really improved last year.
42:36This year, I think he's taking a big step forward against man coverage on some of the, I mean, he just runs all these downfield routes.
42:43It's crazy that he's as efficient as he is when he's just running these big vertical breakers.
42:47So I think he's really improved. I'm definitely buying, especially how concentrated it is between Watson and golden.
42:52I think you can totally buy that. That's if there's, it's just them too, which them too, that's it all around.
42:58And they're doing a lot more like 12 with Mark Redman on the field.
43:02So it's like, that's their base personnel. Essentially. It's like those two tight ends with Tucker craft and these two receivers.
43:07And we're just going to, that's, that's a good thing because that means the balls are going to be a lot of balls going their way.
43:14And it's a lot of juicy opportunities down the field.
43:17Yeah. I mean, how often is like Mark Redman even getting a pass route and certainly getting a target?
43:22That's the thing. That's exactly. This is what you want.
43:25You want your teams from a fantasy standpoint, you want these guys to be in heavy personnel packages and you want the
43:31receivers to be getting these big chunky downfield routes, which both of these guys are doing right now.
43:36So these other four players, if you had to pick a hole, like a guy that you think is maybe actually, you're
43:42not buying what they're going to produce rest of season.
43:44Denzel Boston. I feel like Nate's not going to say Denzel Boston, Michael Wilson, Devon Valey, or Stefan digs.
43:50I actually have a Denzel Boston stat from my friend Keegan Avenue next in stats.
43:54I'll look it up in one sec, but no, the one I would sell is Michael Wilson a little bit.
43:59Um, and that's just because, uh, because I just don't really trust that Cardinals offense.
44:03And it's the least explosive offense in the NFL right now.
44:06Like they are like dead last and explosive dropback rate, dead last and explosive run rate or second to last.
44:12I think in that, I know what Jacoby Brissett is.
44:14So it's going to be more, it's going to be a lot of Trey McBride.
44:18Michael Wilson's going to be more underneath. It's just, they have no space in this offense.
44:23Michael Wilson would thrive with a guy that actually we've talked about us now for like three years.
44:27They need a guy to take the top off and then Wilson could really thrive in those kinds of other areas.
44:33So it's just more of like, not no offense to Wilson.
44:36It's more the ecosystem with the Cardinals while solid and efficient.
44:39It's a lot. I don't know. The game scripts are going to be tough.
44:43And on top of it, like there, it's just not going to be an explosive passing game.
44:48That's going to ding him a little bit because it's going to be a lot of like six catches, 54 yards, you
44:53know, as opposed to big blow up weeks. And that's, there's just a cap I think on him this year.
44:59Even if I do like the player a lot and I still like him for dynasty reasons, just more like this season,
45:05just tough sledding with that ecosystem right now. Yeah.
45:07I'm interested to see like when they eventually get to Carson Beck, what it looks like, but that's a total unknown to Brissette.
45:14At least we know what it is. And we know these guys can have some chemistry.
45:18I mean, it's, I, I think it will be fine.
45:21Ultimately with, um, obviously Marvin Harrison jr was playing the sacrificial X receiver role, which I don't, Michael Wilson is not playing that role.
45:27He's not like he's been suddenly put in that position.
45:30He's still the guy. And I, I think Michael Wilson is a really good X receiver.
45:34Uh, and I think he'll get a lot of looks.
45:37It's just the environment here. And this is always going to be the problem with Cardinals receivers is they're going to be
45:43the number two option behind Trey McBride who runs all the gimme layup routes, uh, all the stick and everything like that,
45:49that, that Jacoba set's going to want to get to pretty quickly.
45:52So, um, definitely I, it was a big shock to see him have the performance that he did against Detroit.
45:57I still think it will be okay, but wouldn't be the worst, like sell high moment on Michael Wilson might've been like
46:03the, the time to do it might've been Saturday, uh, before the game with the Marvin Harrison trade room, and all that,
46:09but I still think there's a decent, check it out.
46:12Yeah. I still think there's a decent opportunity, um, to do it here potentially.
46:16And I do think Michael Wilson is a really good player.
46:19I actually want you to save your Denzel Boston, um, stat for football three Oh one.
46:23Cause, uh, Dwayne McFarlane and I just talked about him yesterday.
46:26So we'll, we'll have a full Denzel Boston love fest, uh, on three Oh one tomorrow.
46:30But so I, cause yeah, I mean, he's a tough one.
46:33Dwayne made a really good case yesterday for him to be a fantasy sell high, but I'm not going to say, I mean, Boston's such a stud.
46:41So we'll, we'll talk about him tomorrow. Um, real quick on the tight ends before we move on, uh, Pat Frymuth, tight
46:47end, eight Don Kincaid, tight end, 13, Chigarh Conquo, tight end, uh, 46.
46:50Any of these guys you think like, I mean, Kincaid's interesting to talk about cause his production is completely evaporated.
46:56I have my theories based on just the lack of verticality at receiver and can't get into 13 personnel stuff.
47:01Uh, I talked about that with Hayden and Josh on stats versus film, but any sort of thoughts on Kincaid and what's happened with him of late?
47:08It's now that they, man, there's really the game flow too, for them wasn't as past heavy.
47:13And it was, or at least against the Rams.
47:15And it was more just like, Hey, we're going to run the ball.
47:19And also in that meeting, run the ball. Also have Josh Allen run on scrambles, not even getting rid of the throw.
47:25Um, I thought the Patriots just did a really good job snuffing them out.
47:29That was more like a really good game plan by the Patriots.
47:32Patriots defense is good. Um, and I think the Rams one was more of a game script thing as well.
47:37Uh, and I think the Rams are actually really good against tight ends as well.
47:41Um, just overall this season. So he plays so much time.
47:44So it makes sense. Yeah. And that's tough for Kincaid who wants to win as basically a glorified slot.
47:50Um, so I would put it this way. Kincaid is more of a matchup dependent guy than a, like start him every
47:55week, set him, forget it, which I don't know.
47:58It kind of feels like last year for him.
48:00If I can talk about a guy I want to buy, if you almost, you want to talk more Kincaid is that,
48:06uh, Chig, I, I definitely would say by because it's just how Jane Daniels coming back and what Jane Daniels prefers.
48:12Um, he had a great chemistry with Zach Ertz.
48:14And I think Chig right now is better than Zach Ertz at tail end of Zach Ertz's career.
48:19I know he's playing again for the Eagles, getting vertical routes thrown to him on the outside.
48:24But I, there's, this is one where it's just kind of like, if you want to buy low or just sneaky or
48:30sign them or whatever, or get them off the waiver wire, whatever it is.
48:34I do think that he is going to have great chemistry with Jane Daniels.
48:37Even if I do like Antonio Williams and what he brings to the table and when Terry's out there, what they do,
48:43Chig is going to get a lot of opportunities.
48:46And I think he's got a little dynamic ability to, with some yak afterwards, different than like Zach Ertz tripping after as soon as he catches it.
48:53So that's where like a sneaky kind of buy low or whatever you want to say, like, um, your waiver wire ad for the rest of the season.
49:01Cause I just think the chemistry with Daniels. Yeah.
49:03I mean, tight ends has gone from a lot, a lot of deep central options here.
49:08We've got a lot of interesting ones that is suddenly starting to evaporate again.
49:11So I think Chig or Conqua maybe off the waiver wire can certainly help some people out.
49:16Okay. Good segment on buys and sells. We'd love to see it.
49:19Really good discussion on Parker Washington. That, that, that, uh, that was fun.
49:23Okay. We're going to take a quick break. We come back Thursday night football preview Seahawks Broncos.
49:27We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back Thursday night football Seahawks two and a half point road favorites going to Denver.
49:34We got a 40 and a half point over under here.
49:37Oh my God. If you've liked, if you have enjoyed watching the Broncos offense lately, you're really going to love seeing it.
49:43It's the Seattle Seahawks offense or defense here. Um, Nate, we put Jalen Waddle and the entire Broncos offense in the coping corner with Boone earlier this week.
49:51Um, you have any hope here as they go?
49:53You have any hope here? I, I've already kind of had some notes on this game.
49:57I did a different show. I didn't mean a show and I was, we're previewing it and it was like, all right,
50:03well you can kind of sort of get the zone runs against the Seahawks defense, but the Broncos run game, like they're
50:09actually okay on zone runs, but they, the running backs don't have any juice to like make anything happen.
50:14So it's like three yard gains, three yard gains.
50:17Oh, okay. Um, all right. So backfield targets. Okay.
50:19You can get that with this. There's a Seahawks on some screens and stuff, but when you make the whole boat out
50:25of, that's all you do backfield targets. Yeah. They're going to be kind of clued in on keyed in on that.
50:31So it's more of like a testing, proving ground thing for next narrative game, whatever you want to put it, but it's
50:37against the worst defense that he could try and do it.
50:40The ways to beat the Seahawks defense are beat them over the top and, and just try and be aggressive.
50:45And Nick's just isn't doing that and extending plays, which Nick's is not doing right now either.
50:50And whether that's an ankle thing, whether that's him trying to win from the pocket, I don't know.
50:55It's just one of these where it's like the things that have to change.
50:59Usually when it's like this, all right, all right, get more training wheels for the quarterback.
51:03There do you have, it's our whole thing is training wheels.
51:06Get a changed play caller. They, they already did that improve personnel.
51:09They, they went for waddle. It's like, what other reinforcements do you, do you need?
51:13So we'll see my props while I'm trying to lean on some of this stuff, but the Seahawks defense that plays so
51:19top down, they want you to throw underneath that.
51:22That's literally what their whole game plan is about for quarterbacks to throw underneath.
51:25And then they just tee off on them. So it's, it's like, he's got to do something that he hasn't been willing
51:31to do at least this season, really beyond, but he's got to do it.
51:35That's the only way to create breathing room against the Seahawks defense.
51:38That's still really good. Yeah. To your point with the past catching running backs, too.
51:42I mean, the Broncos throw to running backs, 26 and a half percent of their targets.
51:47That's the most in the league ahead of the San Francisco 49 is who have the, who have Christian McCaffrey.
51:52You don't want to be ahead. The whole office is based on those targets.
51:56Josh Norris had a, had a pretty interesting theory.
51:58I think it was on last week's recap show.
52:01Maybe it was on, um, on stats versus film going after, uh, after week four.
52:05So going into week five, where could they just essentially shelve JK Dobbins and make RJ Harvey kind of the feature player?
52:11Cause he's got more juice and they're already thrown in the ball ton.
52:14And that's exactly the opposite of what happened. Um, I thought it was a good theory and I thought it made some
52:20sense, but then it's exactly the opposite of what happened because like they just slammed, uh, JK Dobbins up the gut for
52:26a bunch of carries that pretty much went nowhere.
52:29And it just, I don't really don't know where this offense goes from here.
52:33It's a nightmare for fantasy. Cause it's so spread out too.
52:36I thought that it would really be concentrated around Jalen Waddle, but it's kind of hard to judge anything from an outcome
52:41target standpoint because the quarterback's like not making the right reads.
52:44This is, you get into this stuff too, where it's like, well, you guys don't know what the reads are, um, which, you know, is fair.
52:51Like we're not in the meeting rooms and everything, but you watch enough concepts.
52:55You watch enough film, you know where it's, it's not supposed to do that against this coverage in this moment.
53:01So yeah, and I, I don't listen. I think some of the stuff is fair, uh, in terms of, okay, again, you
53:07guys don't know where the ball is supposed to go.
53:09I know the ball is not supposed to go to RJ Harvey again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
53:16So, um, I don't know, man, this is really tough.
53:19And I, I don't see a lot of ways where I think at some point, Bo Nix can get back on track
53:25and, you know, be an average quarterback. Cause we've seen him flirt with being an average quarterback.
53:29At times, but I don't think this is the week against the Seahawks.
53:33Nope. Running is how he has to get some, to be more viable, whether as a scrambler or extending plays and not
53:39extending plays where he's leaving the pocket early and then throwing a missile at his running backs feet.
53:44Like it's extending plays and then throwing down the field.
53:46Uh, and he's just not doing that right now, which is what even made him viable before, because he has turned down throws.
53:53That's been his thing throughout his whole career, but he had other ways to make himself kind of like be decent, like you mentioned.
53:59But right now it's just, it's not, it's not.
54:02And it's, but again, it's going against a defense.
54:04That's like, it's the worst defense you could go against right now because they, they're going to just tee off on the
54:10stuff he wants to do and the stuff that he should be doing.
54:14That's not what he's doing right now, which is pushing the ball, especially over the middle, which he does not do, um, either.
54:20So it's just, it's going to be a lot like launch plays and hopefully one of four hits, but he hasn't even
54:26been willing to do the launch plays right now.
54:28It's, it's pretty rough. Uh, yeah. Like his attempts at 10 or more yards, he's 25th right now.
54:33Uh, he's yeah, about 10% below average, like just for comparison.
54:36Uh, he throws 10 or more area yards on 28% of his throws.
54:40Trevor Lawrence throws at 44% of his throws. And that just like feel the difference of their offense is so much.
54:45Because he's willing to push it, push it, push it, especially over the middle.
54:49Other than that, though. yeah, other than that though.
54:51So there's, there's all that goodness. Uh, let's hear my props.
54:54Yes. Let's, let's talk Seattle. Cause most of your props are on the Seahawks and they're the other end of it where
55:00they're the most concentrated, uh, offense in the NFL.
55:03It all goes around Jackson Smith and Jigba. Um, the run game has definitely been disappointing, which is just, I think mostly a running.
55:09I think the running game actually looks pretty well designed and Emmanuel Wilson, when he just follows the holes is, is fine.
55:15Yeah. Right. But it's Emmanuel Wilson, Zach Charbonate, probably not going to return for this game, but they're desperate to get him back soon.
55:22So it feels like Nate, if they're going to have success, it will happen through the past game here.
55:27So I know you got a lot of past game props on this one.
55:31Yeah. And it's more designery. Cause Jason, again, is the ACE it's Millie.
55:34It's Morgan, the auxiliary receivers going. And that's where a lot of the props are.
55:38I'll get the Broncos one out of the way because it's everything we already hit.
55:42Uh, RJ Harvey over three and a half receptions minus one Oh five, because again, the Seahawks push, push, push, push, push their DBs back.
55:49And then they rally and tackle underneath. I can see that bone X going like, okay, here we go.
55:54Throw the RJ. Like, so I can, I can see screens as well.
55:58So RJ Harvey over three and a half receptions, but I've AJ Barner, you know, a, a, our Wednesday show favorite anytime touchdown plus 360.
56:05Um, and also have him over 21 and a half receiving, which is minus one 30.
56:09Last time I checked and went down or up.
56:11Uh, but I do think that the Broncos defense, they're going to be out PS two, probably going to have rally Moss
56:17in their tight end targets is a way to get them.
56:20They're bottom 10 against tight end targets. Um, in terms of EPA and success rate, RJ, RJ, RJ, AJ Barner.
56:26I don't think it's going to be like, yeah, a whole bunch of them.
56:29If I could see a designer play in the red zone, that's what these could be actually in offense is like.
56:35And I could just see him kind of getting one big chunk play, maybe ended up with two or three catches, but
56:41one of them on a big chunk play. Um, uh, Torrey Horton, same thing.
56:45If he plays, I think he is, uh, Torrey Horton, anytime touchdown plus 700, same thing.
56:49So much focus on JSN. One of the auxiliary guys getting going in the red zone and they, they can pop him open.
56:55And for whatever reason, they've had a knack for whether it was Kubiak last year or now, um, uh, with flurry of
57:01kind of getting Torrey Horton targets in the red zone for some reason.
57:05So that's just my one. If you want to bomb like that, I'll throw him in there.
57:10And the same thing, auxiliary receivers, Cooper cup over two and a half receptions.
57:13Cause again, I think there's going to be focused on JSN.
57:16Jason's going to get his, he always gets his, but I think these other guys are going to have some opportunities against this defense.
57:23I mean, yeah, Torrey Horton is probably their, is their biggest receiver.
57:26It's not like that big of a room, obviously cup, um, decently sized thicker guy, but like Horton is taller, lankier.
57:32Uh, he has nice long arms where he can pluck the ball away from his frame.
57:36So that makes sense from just a, a red zone usage standpoint.
57:39It should heat. It just hasn't really happened in terms of him as a full-time player.
57:44Like it's just, it's J it's JSN and, and log out.
57:47How do you feel like Sam Darnold's been playing the last few weeks, uh, going against a team that, you know, obviously
57:53Denver can get after you can, can make things messy there.
57:56They've got injuries and stuff in the secondary for sure.
57:58So there will be open throws, but it does kind of feel like Sam needs a bit of a rebound game here.
58:04He does. I mean, probably his defense is still no joke, but they, he does.
58:08I don't think he's seeing it really well right now.
58:11Um, there he's not really ripping it over the middle.
58:14Uh, he's taking kind of a few more yards on sacks as well.
58:17Uh, like he just, he took two sacks last week against the 49ers on quick game, which is a no, no for a quarterback.
58:24And he took two. So that to me means he's not really trusting what he's seeing and ripping it.
58:29Uh, so I do feel like he's just a little like this, the run game, like you mentioned, I actually think the O-line is playing decent.
58:36The left side's really good, um, for the Seahawks, uh, with the great Zabel and Charles cross, but their formula is the run game is nice.
58:43Floor lifter be about average. Like it was at the end of last year.
58:47And then the past game just says super explosive.
58:49Like Sam Darnold doesn't have to be top 10 and success rate or anything.
58:53That is just be top 18, but he has to be top eight, top 10 and explosive pass rate.
58:58And that's really what's dropped off a little bit this year.
59:01So he's just gotta be willing to rip it, whether it's the Jason or other guys, but that's, I do feel like
59:07he's not seeing it as clean as he was last year or even two years, last two years, I should say.
59:13Yeah. Obviously miss some time, new coordinator. Hopefully things can gel here for Sam pretty soon.
59:17I'm guessing you're taking, uh, Seahawks and you're, and you're laying the points on this one.
59:21You're, you're, you're, you're going to take them to cover.
59:24Yeah. Uh, yeah. And I think it's gonna be a little sloppy.
59:27I think we're gonna get some Thursday night slop here, but I, yeah, but I think, yeah, a little bit of a
59:33rock fight going on in this game. I think it's a bad sign when the final note for a game preview is good uniform matchup.
59:40That means good uniforms. Maybe def. Yeah. Good. In for some slot.
59:43Spark out Michaels a little bit. Maybe I'll Michaels get perked up a little bit to uniforms.
59:48You know, maybe something like that. It's going to take a lot more than that, uh, to get out Michaels perked up these days.
59:54And I don't know that the Broncos offense is going to do it.
59:58I hope we're wrong about Denver's offense because of how invested I am in, uh, in Jalen Waddle.
60:03I really hope we're wrong. So I'm hoping that people can come back and dunk on us for this preview because of
60:09my God, I need a big Jalen Waddle game and an Island game to just get the YouTube comments, get the Twitter comments off my back.
60:16Okay. Nate, you've done it all. You've said it all.
60:19I appreciate you, man. I will see you tomorrow for football three Oh one big time preview.
60:23We tease a lot of stuff already as we always do.
60:26So definitely make sure you guys check out the week six preview on football three Oh one, but we're going to say goodbye to Nate for now.
60:33And when we come back from this break, we've got Justin Boone join us for the flex fit check.
60:39We'll get into that right after this. And we're back.
60:41And here's this week's flex fit check presented by verse.
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60:47The first recharge fleece only at Dick's. And we're very excited to have Justin Boone here with us.
60:52This is a nice little fit for you. Well, matching situation with the hat and the t-shirt.
60:57We love it. Good to see you here. Boone, as always, you're here to help us pick some players on the flex line.
61:03We've got three wide receivers, three running backs, two tight ends.
61:06What's going on, man? How are you doing? It's nice to see you and actually talk to you like this.
61:11We were mixing it up in the social media streets earlier today, a little chirping going on about our expert league, which
61:17has been a ton of fun, man. Like that league has been a good time.
61:21And I like not always when it's me doing the chirping, but when there's other people involved, we've seen a lot of jokes getting thrown around.
61:28It's been good, man. It was fun, but it's good to be on with you now and actually get to see your
61:34face and maybe still throw some chirps here as we go along.
61:38Yeah. Boone and I had to go to couples counseling.
61:40We had to have an HR session after we were chirping at each other on Twitter, just so that we could be calm and normal for this segment.
61:48Cause that is how much things got really heated.
61:50No. Yeah. I mean, listen, well, the truth, Harmon, the truth is that it was producer Colin that really stoked that fire, right?
61:57Because we had our social team put out the pickups for the week.
62:00Producer Colin was the one that jumped in there and started giving everybody a hard time, letting me get Jeremy Bernard off the waiver wire.
62:07That's what was going on. Him that got that going.
62:10So we can blame producer Colin who, I mean, what the Cowboys are struggling right now.
62:14So he's just leaning into being an online troll, I guess is that the path you're taking there?
62:19Producer Colin. I'm guessing. So I'm happy. Number one, I'm always happy to blame producer Colin.
62:23Number two. Yeah. I'm tired of Collins fantasy elitist nonsense.
62:26Like, Oh, this league doesn't have this list. League doesn't have, I'm just absolutely sick of that.
62:30But you brought up Jeremy Bernard. Great transition because we're talking three wide receivers here.
62:35And let's just go ahead and talk Jeremy Bernard first of these three wide receivers.
62:39He was a very popular pickup. I tried to pick up Jeremy Bernard in our experts league because I wanted to get some wide receiver help.
62:46I need it. And yet your team is worse than mine.
62:49So you were able to pick them up. I was not.
62:52That's how, that's how it goes. So because your team stinks more than my team stinks, you got Jeremy Bernard here.
62:57Where are we ranking Jeremy Bernard this week? Boone.
63:00I'm ranking him right now at wide receiver 28.
63:02I have him inside my, my top 30. Definitely somebody that you can get into your lineup.
63:07Some of it. I'm going to be playing in the flex and a few leagues where I got them.
63:12And it comes down to Michael Pittman and Roman Wilson being out, but also like what we've seen from Bernard, right?
63:18You have this intriguing combination of a pretty solid, rookie, a guy that, you know, coming out as a prospect, went to
63:24an interesting spot where he could get opportunity. Now that opportunity has opened up for him here.
63:28And we've seen that proof of concept last week, six catches, 80 yards.
63:32He's now got two games where he's played the majority of the snaps for the Steelers.
63:36That was week two, week five led the team in targets and yards in both of those games.
63:41Now this most recent one, that was a lot better.
63:44The 80 yards was nice back in week two.
63:46He led the team with 35 receiving yards. So it's kind of more by default that he led the team, but regardless
63:52eight targets in one game, nine targets in the other.
63:55That's great volume. We talked in the waiver wire show, Aaron Rogers likes this dude.
63:59That's important. We have their social team, put no pictures of Aaron Rogers, smiling, talking to Bernard, right?
64:04Most quarterbacks, I will not factor that in most quarterbacks.
64:06I would be like, whatever, that doesn't matter at all.
64:09With Aaron Rogers, it like kind of matters when he likes these guys.
64:13So I think that helps his cause and Bernard, certainly somebody that can get into lineups.
64:17It matters a ton, especially with these rookies. I mean, we've seen Aaron Rogers completely shelved rookies before.
64:22It's, it's absolutely a thing that it matters how much that Aaron Rogers likes this guy.
64:26In addition to all the stats you read off there, he ran around on 93% of the dropbacks in week five, which is the led the team.
64:33He was targeted on 29% of the routes again, leads the team.
64:37And I went back and charted this game. There was a couple, like he had a couple of plays, even where Bernard like left it on the field.
64:44And we had to drop like some stuff at the catch point.
64:48I think his releases against press could use a little work, but the routes that he was really good on were all
64:53of these in breaking routes, which is number one, really encouraging to see Aaron Rogers want to throw those routes.
64:59Cause he's at times not wanted to take those shots over the middle.
65:02He trusts Bernard to do it. That's great. Also, those are the routes that you would think Bernard was going to be good on.
65:09I kind of compared it to a Jacoby Myers type of dirty work receiver that can play all over the formation, can
65:15play some X, but is mostly like a big slot Z receiver.
65:18Now the matchup this week against the bucks is maybe a little bit less enticing than the Colts.
65:23I mean, the Colts defense stinks for sure, but the bucks past defense is one you can get Boone.
65:28So I'm with you. I think that's the right ranking range for Jeremy Bernard.
65:32I have a specific question for you on Bernard, but any other thoughts on, on Bernard before we move forward?
65:37Well, yeah, I was going to say with the bucks, right?
65:40We saw last week, George Pickens goes off for 130 yards and a touchdown.
65:44Ryan Florida, 90 yards, Jordan Addison, Denzel Boston. They both went over 90 and a touchdown earlier this season.
65:49So along the line of what you said, you can actually get after this bucks defense for sure through the air.
65:55And it's nice to see the Steelers throwing as much as they are.
65:58It's a big difference from last year. There's seventh and pass attempts this season.
66:02We expected that Mike McCarthy was going to bring some of that along here, but good to see in this offense that there's that much passing opportunity.
66:10And Bernard, a guy who is going to command targets here.
66:13So it all boils down to me being very happy that I got him the expert league and people should be playing him this week.
66:19What was your question on Jeremy Bernard though? Well, just so we real quick before we go to that 12 targets to
66:25DK Metcalf over the course of the year when Aaron Rogers has been blitzed, Jeremy Bernard, nine targets second on the team.
66:31And obviously he's not been a full-time player, 37.5% targets per route.
66:34Obviously that matters going against a Todd Bowles defense that will heat you up.
66:38If he trusts Jeremy Bernard does Aaron Rogers, that's good to see that he can be that outlet receiver.
66:43However, if in this particular game, who are you going to rank higher?
66:47Jeremy Bernardo or Emeka Ibuka? Who's actually coming off a pretty decent game.
66:50I am going to go to the rankings here to make sure that I get this correct term.
66:55And because in terms of, I have Ibuka actually higher just by a couple spots.
66:59He's at wide receiver 25 Bernard at wide receiver 28.
67:02And we should mention, I think it comes more into play when we get to the running backs and we talk about
67:08them, but with four teams on by here, it makes some of these flex decisions a little bit more difficult guys that
67:14you would normally sit might actually get into your lineup.
67:17So it's going to push a few of these guys up into the conversation.
67:21Yeah, I have a Buka on the experts league team and I'm going to have to start him.
67:25Doesn't matter. No Aaron Jones for me this week.
67:28So I'm hoping he can have a decent game here.
67:31Okay. Next one up is we have Roma dunes on the outline, but I'm just going to say Roma dunes and Luther Burton.
67:37Let's both put them together. Cause they're going to be kind of close in rankings to me.
67:41I think they're probably what the production wise, they've been pretty close so far.
67:45So going against the Falcons defense, that's down some of its corners.
67:48We saw as a flowers have a decent game against them.
67:51We saw Rashad Bateman have some moments. Snoop Huntley was able to move the ball consistently as the backup quarterback.
67:57Devontae Walker, they had a backup quarterback come on the field, did the Atlanta Falcons and Huntley immediately targets that guy with Walker in the end zone.
68:04So it sounds like we might get Caleb Williams back this week.
68:07I have a piece coming out for the site about the bears pass catchers that, you know, I've got Mo, one of
68:13our editors messaging me in the middle of this.
68:16Like, Hey, when are you filing your piece? I'm like, Oh, about 30 minutes after the show's over, I guess.
68:21So, okay. We get Caleb Williams coming back. It's two bears wide receivers, pretty good matchup.
68:26What about these guys? Are they in or out of flex consideration?
68:29Yeah, I'd be starting them both this week. There's a bit of a risk because I think the overall idea of what
68:35this offense is going to look like has changed, right?
68:37We thought it was going to be really concentrated.
68:40Now I think we can accept that they're going to spread the ball around a little more.
68:44The rushing attack is going to take on a lot of work here.
68:48But I have right now burden at wide receiver 20 and I have a doomsday at wide receiver 26.
68:53And again, with by weeks, they're getting pushed up a little bit there, but totally more than happy to have both these guys in my life.
69:00We think about it, Harmon. And like, we've been robbed, not getting to see what this bears offense could be.
69:06Cause you have that first game where everything looks pretty good.
69:0959 points against the Panthers just absolutely lights it up.
69:11And you figure like, okay, that Ben Johnson prediction that maybe they could challenge for like the single season points record.
69:17Maybe they could actually do it. And then since then it was the weather game was Caleb getting hurt.
69:22And that it's been back up since then. And if you go back to that, that first game, cause the guy we're
69:28going to talk about was a doomsday. I've always liked burden better.
69:31I feel a little more confident in burden. I don't know where you stand on that.
69:36Now I know before the season, you always talked up a doomsday, but if you go back to that first game, a
69:42doomsday had an okay performance in that one, right?
69:44He was over 50 yards in that game, but he was coming off the injury.
69:48He was not playing a normal amount of snaps, right?
69:51Just 48% of the snaps in that game only ran a route on 55% of the dropbacks in the four games.
69:57Since he's been over an 80% snap share, 84% routes run.
69:59And this past week that was up to 99% of the snaps and 96% of the route.
70:04So we've seen him now get back to the usage that he should be at.
70:08You're getting Kayla back here. Like you mentioned, the matchup is good.
70:11The Falcons are giving up the eighth most fantasy points to receivers at least 50 yards to 10 different receivers through the first five games.
70:18So yeah, give me both of these guys in my lineup, including a doomsday who I normally have ranked second out of those two.
70:25Yeah. I think just burdens role is so much fantasy, so much more fantasy friendly than a doomsday is.
70:30I'm writing about this in the piece. Obviously a doomsday has all these like downfield targets.
70:34This is the right matchup with Kayla Williams coming back to target a player like that.
70:38But I think burden being ranked ahead is probably correct.
70:41That's how I think I'm going to have it this week as well with these two guys, but they'll be pretty close for me.
70:48I mean, yeah, the reality with this offense is in week one, 59 points.
70:51They were so explosive. They were the sixth most explosive offense that week, every week since it's 13 and week to 25th
70:57and week three, 18th and week four, 27th in week five, the explosive plays just haven't been there with the backup quarterbacks as we would expect.
71:04It should hopefully get better with Kayla Williams here.
71:07Yeah. And if I remember correctly, I think there was six rushing touchdowns in that game.
71:11I think Caleb had a couple, I think Swift had three, Mononga had one.
71:15So that's just crazy, right? Normally some of those touchdowns are going to end up in the receiver's hands.
71:20So you figure that could regress a little bit there in this game, really nice projected point total, 50 and a half points.
71:26And Michael Penix looks like he's going to play.
71:29So that helps the potential for a shootout here.
71:31So all of it boils down to, yes, let's get these bears receivers in our lineup.
71:36And then let's reassess after a couple of weeks with Caleb to figure out what this offense is going to look like the rest of the season.
71:43Totally. And we'll just have to see the Kalief Raymond role of it all.
71:47Cause no one projected him to have a seven near 17% target share, 14 and a half percent area yard share, both
71:53of those ranking third on the team. So obviously that will be a big kind of a dip.
71:58He's really dipped these last couple of weeks. So we'll see if that continues in this game against the Atlanta Falcons last receiver to talk about Keon Coleman.
72:05Got the touchdown against the Rams, but that was kind of it going against the Raiders.
72:09Where's he going to rank for you this week?
72:12Obviously, depending on the status of DJ more. So if anyone's checking my rankings, as we're doing the live show here, I've met wide receiver 39.
72:19I was kind of being cautious because wasn't totally sure if DJ more is going to play or not.
72:24We still don't know, but if you think about it, they have a buy the week after, right?
72:29So now that like the iron man streak is over, why would you not just sit more for another game?
72:34Give them a couple more weeks to get healthy.
72:37And then you have them the rest of the way.
72:40So I'm now leaning towards more being out. So as I'm working on my rankings update here on Wednesday, that's going to
72:45be live on the site on Thursday. I'm going to have Keon Coleman up at wide receiver.
72:5032 is where I'm at the moment. I might tweak that a little bit, but more in that range, kind of a
72:56mid to higher end wide receiver three. I think we both like what we saw from him a couple of weeks ago.
73:02Yes. He had another opportunity to show us something this past week.
73:05It's a much tougher matchup going against the Rams.
73:08I think this Raiders game, he is going to be able to get on them.
73:12So I actually like him. I would put him in my lineup as well.
73:16I think he's somebody else that you can start this week.
73:19If more is out, if more plays that changes the game.
73:22And then I'd probably sit Coleman at that point.
73:24I also think the status of Josh Palmer is pretty important here for this team because he, he was able to take
73:30a lot of the X receiver routes against the Patriots the week prior.
73:33And then obviously when Palmer's out, you're not putting Skylar bell in that role.
73:37You're not obviously not putting clear secure in that role.
73:40You're not putting Trent Shurfield in that role. So if Josh Palmer can get back out there, I think that also helps key on Coleman.
73:47Cause he essentially had to go back to the outside on ball receiver.
73:50I haven't seen any updates on Palmer, but someone to at least keep an eye on.
73:55Cause I think that will matter a good bit.
73:57If we can get him back out there. So Coleman can be the off ball, bigger slot option against the Raiders who
74:03play a tunnel, like a ton of nickel coverage.
74:05And he might have some size advantages. Yeah. And I'm not rocking any bills gear today.
74:10No bills had or anything, but for a moment, just let me be a bit of a bills fan here.
74:15I'm worried about this as a trap game for Buffalo, right?
74:18You're coming off this like epic win on Monday night against the Rams.
74:22You have the bi-week a week later, you're staying out on the West coast.
74:25You're going to Vegas for this game. You just watch the Raiders get destroyed by the Patriots.
74:30So maybe you take the foot off the gas a little bit.
74:33You're not as worried about them. It scares me.
74:36This game scares me. I will just say that arm.
74:38I like it. You know, some of us have to stream Kirk cousins this week in leagues that we want, we want to win.
74:45So I would love to see it be a trap game.
74:48The bills defense is not good, man, which helps the past volume of the team overall, even if it didn't help this
74:54past week, Josh Allen, what do you have? Like barely any completions and had all the rushing yards.
74:59So obviously that didn't work out this past week, but I think the Raiders defense has maybe punched above its weight and
75:05been better than people think, but still pretty difference in terms of quality and with what the Rams bring to the table here.
75:11So I'm excited to watch this game and yeah, we'll trap game.
75:14Kirk cousins thrown for four touchdowns. I could see that four touchdowns, multiple touchdowns in each of the first, first four games.
75:20So yeah, he's got that definitely in his bag.
75:23Yeah. I mean, I have to play Kirk cousins, the expert league this week.
75:26That's why we're having this conversation. Okay. Three running backs here to talk.
75:30You're not the only one. Perfect. Three running backs to talk through here.
75:33Let's start with Woody marks at Jacksonville, theoretically, because the game obviously is overseas.
75:37So Woody marks, you're going to be the full time back now with Dave Montgomery out.
75:42Where are we ranking Woody marks? I wouldn't normally have him this high, but because all the bi-weeks, I have an RB
75:4722 and it looks like he's going to get a ton of volume.
75:51You have the coaching staff, like continuously talking him up Harmon.
75:54And I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I'm seeing what they're seeing.
75:58Like they're really pumping his tires. He's improved so much from last year.
76:02I still don't see that guy. That's going to like run away with this job.
76:06Can he be okay in this role? Sure. Is he going to be a decent fantasy play because he's going to get a lot of volume?
76:13Yeah, probably, but I don't think he's someone that's going to come in and elevate this rushing attack.
76:18They've had a ton of struggles with that offensive line.
76:21They can't really get this rush attack going. I don't think that Woody Marks is the answer, but when you get to
76:26like the low end RB two range for fantasy this week, because of the buys and injuries and stuff, it gets ugly really fast.
76:33Like you're looking at Woody Marks there. You're looking at Tony Pollard, who normally is an RB three.
76:38He's up at RB 21 at the moment. My rankings, it gets tough.
76:41And when you think about the other options in this backfield with David Montgomery hurt, they don't really have much like Darugan,
76:47but Wally is more of like a pass catcher and a special teams guy.
76:51Juar Jordan's on their practice squad. We saw him come in last year and flash a little bit.
76:56He's probably more of a guy who could step into some of those Montgomery touches, but I don't think we're overly excited about him.
77:02So a lot of volume coming Mark's way. That makes him a player that yes, you could start, but this matchup is awful, right?
77:09Like if he was getting that kind of volume against an easier opponent, maybe we could push him up inside the top
77:1520, but against the Jags, they're going to have the second fewest fantasy points to running backs.
77:20They haven't let a back go over 40 rushing yards this season in a single game.
77:24So the degree of difficulty, extremely high. It's risky.
77:26He'll probably get some work in the passing game that helps them get there for fantasy and at least gives you an okay flex performance.
77:33But yes, I do think you could play him.
77:36I think you could play him ringing endorsement. The Texans were 10th and pass rate over expected last week.
77:41I think that number is going to continue to go up as we talked about earlier in the week after adding Marvin Harrison, Jr.
77:47And going to more of a spread offense, which I think helps Woody marks.
77:51I mean, I don't know how much Harrison's going to play in this game, but still they'll probably want to start to
77:57introduce some of these concepts and everything like that.
77:59But I think Woody marks could flirt with like an 80% snap share in this game and hopefully can be a little bit of a pass catching option.
78:07Maybe if the team is trailing some dump off situations, you're kind of hoping that Woody marks essentially becomes a mega, like
78:13I would say very poor man's Jalen Warren, right?
78:15Where he gets the other back out of the backfield and it is just on the field all the time.
78:21I don't think Woody is nearly as dynamic a player as Jalen Warren, but you know, kind of a satellite back who
78:27could be involved as the past game option as Zane's pointing out on the screen here, 93% route share.
78:32We've never, never seen Woody marks be much of a pass catcher, even though that was supposed to be his thing coming into the league.
78:39So if he can just be a bit more of a PPR scam, you know, that would be nice.
78:44Yeah. I will say too, if we want to put something else in the positive column for him, he did have a
78:50game where it was all right against the Jags last year and week 10, 80% of the snaps turn that into 81 scrimmage yards and a touchdown.
78:57So you never know Harmon. Maybe he gives you something like that and you end up very happy.
79:02If he finds the end zone, you will be ecstatic this week.
79:05That's kind of what you're hoping for. I think 80 yards from scrimmage touchdown fingers crossed.
79:10I think he's a solid low end running back to definitely a flex.
79:13For me, I've got him in one league. I'll probably be starting him this week, depending on the other options.
79:18Okay. Next one here, Blake Corum, Arizona Cardinals. He punched in the touchdown, but where are we at with Blake Corum on,
79:24in a game where Rams might be controlling this one throughout based on what we seen from the Cardinals of late.
79:30Yeah, you would think so. Rams are 13 point favorites in this game, even though they're on a short week here coming
79:36off that Monday night or against the bills. But yeah, I'm going to continue to move Corum up right now.
79:41I'm at RB 29. I think that's still probably a few spots too low because this is totally a smash spot for him.
79:48You're going to have this short week. There's no reason to give Kyron Williams a ton of work in this one.
79:53He's been great this year, but this is the perfect spot where you get Corum more involved.
79:58And we saw that last year, right? There was two games against the Cardinals last year where we had 14 touches for
80:0469 yards for Corum and one of them, and then 13 touches for 131 yards and two TDs.
80:09I think that's probably like your floor and ceiling outcomes in this game, right?
80:13He's got a chance to just give you enough 69 yards.
80:16You'd be fine with that. Couple catches. Great. That's flex option.
80:19But if he hits that high end outcome, if he finds the end zone, then you're really sound.
80:23So big ceiling for him here. I would absolutely be willing to start him in the flex.
80:28Yep. I think that makes a ton of sense here to me.
80:31Okay. Last running back. And this one's the trickiest conversation.
80:34Amarian Hampton. Amarian Hampton, I feel like is going to be ranked in the low end RB two high end RB three
80:40range for the rest of the season is basically, does he beat that?
80:43Did he score a touchdown? Did he come under it?
80:46He didn't score a touchdown pretty much the rest of the way.
80:49So I have no idea how we predict that going forward.
80:52Boone, I will say this. I don't love reading some headlines that I've seen today about, well, if the chargers do eventually
80:58fire Mike McDaniel mid season, we can get Adam Gase in here calling plays.
81:02I mean, what a world that would be by the way, if Adam Gase actually saved the chargers, that's not going to happen.
81:08I don't think it's going to happen, but it would just be so funny.
81:12Cause Mike McDaniels one coming into the years, one of these like Twitter hype coordinators and Gase is one of the boogeymen.
81:18And what if he saved the chargers? It's not going to happen, but still that's the state of the chargers offense here at this point.
81:25Um, where are we at with Amari and Hampton from a fantasy ranking standpoint?
81:29Well, I would say things can always get worse, right?
81:31So even though it looks bad right now, if Gase took over, it could actually potentially be worse and more chaotic.
81:37But regardless, right now we have this three headed committee in that backfield.
81:41It's been pretty much even snaps. And last week it was actually Hampton that had the fewest of the group.
81:46He was down at 20. I think we had 28 for Kamani Vidal, who we talked about on the waiver wire show.
81:52So it's bad. Now he's still getting a decent amount of touches, but not really doing a ton with them.
81:57He's just kind of saving a few of his fantasy days with a touchdown.
82:01So like you said, even with all these buys, it still puts him in that TD or bust like RB three range,
82:07which is so sad, so far away from where people were drafting him and what we expected from him this year.
82:13So yes, it really just comes down to your options, but he's a guy that I would be trying to sit this week.
82:19I would hope that you can find someone else.
82:22You don't just have to put him out there and cross your fingers that man, this guy could find the end zone or not.
82:28And that's really what your fantasy day is going to come down to.
82:32Okay. Woody marks, obviously definitely a better play than Ryan Hampton.
82:35I'm going to throw some other names out there.
82:37Would you start a Ryan Hampton or Jeremiah love?
82:39Still Jeremiah love, but we're going to keep an eye on him because right before I jumped on with you, I believe
82:45I saw a report that he's sitting out practice today.
82:48So we're going to have to monitor him. Obviously, you know, he's a little bit banged up.
82:53Yeah, he's a little bit banged up at the moment.
82:55So we'll keep an eye on that to make sure he's going to be playing and be healthy enough this week.
83:01But yes, I would still start Jeremiah love. Yeah, I'm just seeing a good timing here.
83:05Universe just saw a post from underdog that Michael for on managing Jeremiah loves injury as much as he wants to battle through.
83:12We're all in agreeance right now. Just give him a little bit of rest and see as the week goes on, what that'll entail for Sunday.
83:19I really just wish him and Ashton Gentry, another guy that's like, yeah, we love Gentry's toughness.
83:23They'll do this. Should have just given these guys like two, three weeks off at the start of the season.
83:29I think we'd be in a better place with both of them.
83:32So super frustrating there. Yeah, go ahead. At least the report on Gentry today was a little more positive that we had
83:38the coach staff coming out and saying that he's actually getting a little healthier here.
83:42I talked the other day about how he's got a good matchup with the bills.
83:46So fingers crossed that maybe he's headed in the right direction, right now, love.
83:50It doesn't seem like it. No, I give him to give Gentry two weeks off.
83:54Just, just give him two weeks off. It'll be fine.
83:57Like, just get, I admire the toughness. I think it's cool.
84:00He, he said he's battling through the coach. I said, he's battling through give him two weeks off.
84:04He'll be, he'll be, you can survive with that over two weeks.
84:08He'll be way better when he comes back. If you don't want me to catch you in the expert league, you're going
84:14to want to have Jeremiah love out there because I have Tyler as year.
84:17So that would give me a nice little flex play.
84:20I have Mike Washington. So maybe I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth.
84:24We're not biased at all. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no.
84:27Listen, I also have Ashton Gentry in two leagues too.
84:30So I, I would like to see him be healthier than he is right now.
84:34Okay. Let's go to tight ends before we wrap it up here.
84:37Dallas Goddard, Carolina Panthers matchup, man, Dallas Goddard Eagles offense.
84:40Eagles not looking so great. Where are we at with Dallas Goddard as a flex play?
84:44Yeah. Tight end nine for me this week. I would be more than willing to start him.
84:49Came back in the last game, played 70% of the snaps and that's lower than normal for him.
84:53Like he's usually up in the nineties. But again, like we talked about with the dunes, a first came back from the
84:59injury, not a full Snapchat share, but he's going to be fine.
85:03And he's going to increase on that. And right now we're monitoring the injuries in that offense, but Saquon Barkley, not practicing today.
85:09Devonta Smith, he's off to the side with trainers.
85:11So not sure if either of those guys are going to be back this week.
85:15I quite like Goddard in this game. I mean, it only turned into six catches for 38 yards, but that's not a bad first game.
85:22When you have the snaps a little lower, when he's not quite as involved as he normally would be.
85:27And Carolina is a real plus matchup here. The seventh most fantasy points allowed to tight ends.
85:32That includes seven for 51 and two TDs to Harold Fannin eight for 84 and a touchdown to Sam Laporta.
85:37That's in the last two games before the Panthers by.
85:40So this is setting up pretty nicely for Dallas Goddard in my mind.
85:44I like that. Yeah. I feel like top, top 10 tight end Dallas Goddard makes a ton of sense to me.
85:49Just the guy that has the best chemistry right now with, with Jalen Hurst, because it's not quite happening with McKay Lemon over the middle of the field.
85:57You know, Dante Wicks has had his moments, but yeah, I think Goddard is interesting for sure.
86:01Okay. Last one we're going to talk about here, and this is the section of my bears article that I haven't finished yet.
86:08So you're going to help me work out my thoughts on this, right?
86:11Colson Loveland, uh, as a flex play here, I don't know that you are going to be, are you going to rank
86:17him in the top 10 tight ends? And if not, do you consider him someone that is flex viable with Caleb Williams coming back here?
86:24Most likely. He might have a good game. It's certainly possible.
86:27I think Caleb coming back gives him his best chance to do that.
86:30Even though in that first game with Caleb, he had no catches, but regardless, I don't want to start him this week.
86:36I would rather keep him on the bench. I'm at tight end 13.
86:40I wouldn't really want to flex them unless you were absolutely desperate, but we want to see how this thing is going
86:46to work out because in that first game, he ran his biggest road share of the season, right?
86:51Like he was more involved in that one. Since then it's gone down.
86:54It was 84% of the dropbacks in week one.
86:57Since then went down to the sixties for three games last week, up into the seventies.
87:01So let's hope that Caleb coming back puts this offense back to what we hope that it would be, or at least something closer to that.
87:08Now, do we expect that Loveland's going to be anywhere near where he was drafted?
87:12Is he going to be a top five fantasy tight end?
87:15I think those hopes can basically be put to rest.
87:18Like I don't think that's going to happen for him, but can you get back to being a starting tight end, a low end tight end one?
87:25Yeah, that's absolutely still in his range of outcomes here.
87:28So no, I would not start him in your flex.
87:31I wouldn't even want to start him in my tight end spot, but I've been very hesitant to put him on the drop list.
87:37When we talk about it on the show on Mondays in my way of work, I'm not doing that yet.
87:42You want to hold onto him. Let's get a couple of games.
87:46Like we talked about with the dunes. Let's see what this looks like with Caleb healthy in some matchups here.
87:51And then we'll go from there and decide what to do with Loveland.
87:55So keep him on your bench. Do not start him this week.
87:58It really is the route chair part of it that has been tough here for Loveland.
88:02To me, I think that's one of the answers.
88:05I know people always come back to this. Like the, I don't, I don't remember a lot of Colson Loveland haters during
88:11draft season, but now that he's been bad, I've seen a lot of them pop up.
88:15Like, yeah, you idiots were so, you know, it's always nice to hear that in hindsight.
88:19I'm sure they had good reasons before this, but like, yeah, he had all of those fantasy points against the, the bangles that were terrible against tight ends.
88:27He didn't really have that many good games. My contention would be that you guys forget that he had two of the
88:33best games of his season, particularly the first playoff game.
88:35Like the, from a usage standpoint, that was where he was really highly involved.
88:39If you look from week 16 on his route percentages, when 81%, 87%, 86%, 91%, 60%.
88:44That was in the division loss against the Rams.
88:46That's 60%. This year, you mentioned week one, almost 90% of the routes in week one against the Panthers.
88:51Then it's 71%, 74%, 72%, 77%. That's been odd.
88:54And I think maybe some of that is because, cause he's still kind of pushing 90% of the snaps against the jets
89:00in week four, when he runs 72% of the dropbacks.
89:02I wonder if some of that is just, he's, he is a good blocker.
89:06I wonder if some of that is because they have a backup left tackle.
89:10Still, Ozzy Trapillo, not back just yet. Maybe he gets unleashed there afterwards.
89:13Cause I mean, he's still playing all over the field.
89:16I mean, he was in the slot on 41% of his snaps in this game against the Packers last week.
89:22He has five targets. Like he just isn't involved yet.
89:24So I, I think you could make an argument that they need to get him more involved to get the offense going.
89:30He's a good young player is what we saw last year.
89:33We'll just have to kind of see. So right now I have him as my tight end 13, which is the ultimate hedge.
89:39Like, yeah, he's not quite a tight end one.
89:42Could you pick up Pat Firemuth and start him against the, the damn bucks?
89:46Sure. Um, but I don't want to put him too, too low.
89:49And I certainly would not advise dropping him just yet.
89:52Yeah, for sure. And this offense might end up being a little more like whack-a-mole than we expected, right?
89:57Where just different guys are going to have big games.
89:59It's going to be a little harder to predict because last year during that stretch you were talking about, Lovin was averaging like 10 targets a game.
90:07Like he was getting so much volume. I don't expect that to be the new norm this year.
90:12It's not going to be that kind of consistency and that kind of usage, but I do have faith that he's going
90:18to get back up into the top 12 on a regular basis at tight end.
90:22Now Atlanta, it's not the worst matchup, but they haven't given up a ton of yards to tight ends either.
90:27They had a couple of guys early in the season, put up some touchdowns on them, but only one tight ends topped 50 yards against them.
90:34That was 59 yards to Juwan Johnson. So again, not the best matchup here.
90:38Another reason to sit him this week. Let's see how it looks.
90:41And then we'll go from there. All right, Poon, great stuff here from you.
90:45Uh, we will be back tomorrow for the show, but we, you and I will be together, uh, on Sunday morning for fantasy football live.
90:52So definitely make sure you tune in for that.
90:54And definitely make sure. I mean, what is your next rankings update?
90:57I know you like schedule these things out. It's like they're big events for you.
91:01So when's the next one coming? I'll be working on them the rest of the night here.
91:06And then I work on them again, Thursday morning before we publish.
91:09So that will be coming out Thursday, late morning, early afternoon at the latest, depending how many hiccups I have along the way.
91:16But, uh, yeah, Thursdays, we'll have an update then.
91:18And then we'll update again before the game kicks off.
91:21Once we get an actives later in the day.
91:23And yeah, man, Herman, that's what my life is right now.
91:26It's just updating rankings and trade value charts. And I love it, man.
91:30It's my favorite part of all this. Yours is rankings.
91:32Mine's is routes. Uh, we're, we're in our own little, our, our, I wouldn't say prisons of our own making because we love doing this.
91:39And we are very lucky to have this job.
91:42Could you imagine having a real job? Could you imagine that?
91:45I could not. I've said it before, but back in the day, I used to like edit the different values for players on Madden.
91:51And I feel like in a weird way, that's what I do as a job now.
91:55Like I'm just kind of tweaking where I think players are and what I think they're going to do and projections and all that stuff.
92:02It always comes back to Madden for me. It was a, yeah, man.
92:06What if, what if I move this, uh, this receiver into the slot and this past concept looks at, and look at, look at what I'm doing now.
92:13That's, you know, I'm charting it out. So yeah, it always comes back to Madden.
92:17Shout out to Madden. Okay. Shout out to you, Justin Boone.
92:20Great show. Shout out to Nate Tice. Hell of a, a hell of a show with him as well.
92:25As mentioned, we will be back tomorrow live on this YouTube channel 4 PM Eastern with Josh Norris for the week six preview.
92:32Until then, we are out.

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