0:00Big Show for you here today. It is the Post-Week 5 Peoples Panic Meter.
0:04We've got a lot to talk about there. But before we do that, we have a massive Monday Night Football recap with Hayden Winks.
0:11What a game. Bills 37, Rams 34. This one had absolutely everything between two great teams.
0:15Josh Allen, a superhero, rushing performance on the ground.
0:18Pukun Okua, not just a career high 24 targets, but the most targets we've seen for a receiver since at least the last 10 years.
0:25Just insane stuff from Puka Nakua, Josh Allen, a lot of signature performance to talk through with Hayden in that game.
0:31Then Boone jumps on the show for everything that you love about the Peoples Panic Meter.
0:35We throw some more folks into the Coping Corner, including another entire offense.
0:39Plus we talk about the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade.
0:41Then we wrap it up with a look at this week's top 10 waiver wire selections.
0:46All that and more come up on today's show.
0:48It's a big one. Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone?
0:52I'm Matt Harmon. Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy forecast nightcap.
0:54And it is truly a hell of a night to talk ball because we have an electric Monday Night Football game to talk through here.
1:01And joining me to do just that. Thank God I'm not doing this one solo.
1:06Honestly, I don't I might be yapping myself for 45 minutes here.
1:09No idea what would happen, but thank God I'm not doing that because joining me to talk a little ball is Hayden Winks.
1:15Hayden, what's going on, man? I mean, what an absolute banger of a game that might be the best one we'll have all year.
1:22Yeah, and honestly, in the first half, it looked like it might be kind of a slop fight between these two teams that were supposed to be great.
1:30A lot of penalties, miscues on both sides of the ball, but the game absolutely delivered going into overtime and so many wild sequences to go through here.
1:38Starting with, though, first of all, this is Josh Allen's first win in overtime in his NFL career.
1:43He had been 0-7 in overtime over the course of his NFL career.
1:46So pretty insane stuff. We have a number of like superlatives for certain players to go through here, which we will do throughout the course of the recap.
1:54But again, this one was just completely wild. We had everything.
1:57We had James Cook potential game-ending fumbles, two fumbles tonight for James Cook.
2:01I saw more James Cook fumble stats on my timeline than I was ever bargaining for.
2:05We had a shoestring tackle on Khalil Shakir on a 50-plus-yard catch-and-run play that looked like it was going to be a
2:12sliding doors moment right before that James Cook fumble.
2:14The Rams get the ball back. They drive it down.
2:17Mevis, the kicker for the Rams, misses the kicker.
2:19Rams special teams, you can't make it up. Just letting them down every single big moment here.
2:24And ultimately, the Bills get the ball back. Josh Allen goes superhuman, and they win the football game.
2:29So again, tons to get into here tonight, Hayden.
2:32Rams lose this one 34-37 for the Bills. Let's start with Buffalo.
2:35Where do you want to go first here? Just Josh Allen versus the rest of the world.
2:40We watched all the games on Sunday, and obviously you and I spent a big bulk of the day re-watching a lot of the games today.
2:47And then you get to Josh Allen tonight, and there's a reminder.
2:50Oh, that quarterback performance that you thought was pretty good on Sunday, it looks a lot different when Josh Allen is doing it.
2:57When he's taking off and scrambling, there's no reason he should be that fast that quickly.
3:01And then he has that little kind of one dead leg move to run around Landman like 10 different times.
3:07And this one is the second most rushing yards in his career.
3:10And they really needed it because they had pretty much nothing with all of their wide receivers.
3:15A lot of their chunk plays came from either the slot receivers or their running backs or Josh Allen himself there.
3:21So a very one-dimensional game for the Buffalo Bills.
3:24And still, it didn't matter because he has the best break glass in case of emergency in the NFL.
3:29So just another reminder that if you don't have one of these alien quarterbacks, the margins are so, so, so slim.
3:35And that's against Matthew Stafford, who's one of the top five-ish best quarterbacks in the league himself.
3:39Yeah. Yeah, 107 yards is a scrambler overall tonight for Josh Allen.
3:43That is a career high for him, 121 yards total rushing.
3:46Of course, he gets one of the touchdowns here.
3:48I mean, 10 for 121 and a touchdown is just berserk stuff.
3:52And the crazy thing is, too, I mean, there's so many insane things about Josh Allen.
3:56But obviously, the insane thing here, too, is he never, I mean, he takes massive shots and he just pops right up afterwards.
4:03It's crazy what this guy is in the NFL right now.
4:06And it's a great point about the receivers because this was on my radar right away, Hayden.
4:11It was like, we're back to the last year's receiver core, essentially.
4:14It's Keon Coleman, who I think, you know, obviously he gets the touchdown as a slot receiver, which, I mean, Hayden, you could have run that route.
4:21And you probably could have scored on that one.
4:24It was just a really good design of the play.
4:27Nevertheless, I think it's just he has to go back to that X receiver role with no not just DJ Moore, but also Josh Palmer.
4:34Like he was kind of that sacrificial X. And they've been using Coleman as more of almost like a move tight end
4:40at times, like big slot off ball Z receiver, the whole deal.
4:43He has to go back to that role. Khalil Shakir, good player, but he kind of is what he is.
4:49Again, he has the 57 yarder in this one, which, again, almost put him in position to win the game before the cook fumble.
4:56So many insane sequences there. But yeah, this was a Josh Allen put the cape on and go to work.
5:01Not so much in the first half, but definitely in the second half in overtime.
5:05Yeah. At one point late in the game, well into overtime, the Bills like only have like one or two receptions, like
5:12more than like 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage in this one.
5:15So this was just, it really was a one dimensional game plan.
5:19They ran the ball like two to one, like on early down and starting their, their series plays as well.
5:24Like this was a very one dimensional attack. The ramps like historically just like with that defense really well coached zone defense,
5:30but they are willing to let you run on them.
5:33And for Buffalo, like that worked. And even with their right tackle going to the locker room in this one as well,
5:39which I think that would be kind of a big deal.
5:42Like I think the left tackle has been not quite as dominant as, as before you have one of your offensive linemen leaving in free agency.
5:50Now your right tackles a little bit banged up.
5:52So something to just kind of, kind of keep an eye on moving forward.
5:56But if Josh Allen's going to take off like this and aside from the fumbles for James, that's a big aside.
6:02There were still a lot of, you know, five to 10, 15 yard gains throughout this one.
6:07It's just a really special performance by the Buffalo Bills ground game here.
6:10At one point it was like, uh, and nobody had more than one catch.
6:14It was just Ty Johnson with a couple of catches for 71 yards.
6:18I think it was three catches for 71 yards.
6:20He finishes the day as a second leading receiver, four catches for 72 yards.
6:24I mean, this box score from a receiving standpoint is just obnoxious.
6:28It's three catches for 80 yards for Khalil Shakir.
6:30The 57 yarders, the big one there, Ty Johnson, four for 72 on four targets.
6:34Ray Davis is the third leading receiver on one catch for 31 yards.
6:38And then it's James Cook, seven Kincaid, seven. He had a two point conversion as well.
6:43Keon Coleman, seven. I mean, it's six, zero Skylar Bell gets in the mix here.
6:47Skylar Bell. I don't know what you thought about him as a prospect.
6:50I didn't think he was a guy that was like ready to contribute in the league and probably not a guy that
6:57has a ton of upside in the longterm. So, yeah, it was definitely make chicken salad out of, you know, chicken, you
7:03know what here tonight for Josh Allen. He definitely did it.
7:06Curious on your thoughts about Dalton Kincaid, who comes out of this with two targets, one catch, seven yards.
7:11The two point conversion that I mentioned one week after his play calling head coach Joe Brady says, I can't leave a
7:17game with Dalton Kincaid with two targets. Well, guess what?
7:20But we did it again. This one far more concerning because DJ Moore was not out there for the entire game and
7:26they probably knew that he wasn't going to be suiting up for this one.
7:30So like the game plan, like there's no excuse now.
7:33Like the excuse is just that they just don't think he's good enough or whatever it is.
7:38Like it really is kind of bizarre to me that he's not more involved the way that he is.
7:43Because whenever I see him out in the route, I do think that he's one of the best like moving tight ends in the league.
7:50But in this one, I mean, he's out there for 25 at the 33 dropbacks.
7:54So like it's just the ball is just not going to it was like too hard to tell on the broadcasting exactly why that is.
8:01But man, that is that is staggering stuff. I guess if you're Josh Allen, like you're going to take off and scramble
8:07for, you know, automatic first day on every single time.
8:10Then I get that. But that is that is stunning to only see one reception from them.
8:15I can't do the full splits on this right now because, you know, again, it's like we're just getting the data in live here.
8:22But it does look like they ran 13 personnel at 35 percent, according to Sumer Sports, which is 27 percent higher than the NFL average.
8:29I'm not sure how much of that was run versus pass, anything like that.
8:33But I did see a good post from our buddy, Jacob Sanderson, who also had to screenshot one of the leagues we're
8:39in together, you know, that he was he beat me on a you know, I thought that was a little I thought
8:45that was a little hurtful, Jacob, you know, on the watch.
8:48I have I had Tyron Williams at the goal line.
8:51He's got Puganakua, Matthew Stafford. I mean, that just sort of ahead of me.
8:55I didn't think we needed to post that, but whatever.
8:57He did have a good post, though, on the 13 personnel theory that like when you lose your like you kind of
9:04need a man beating vertical receiver on the outside to really activate those packages.
9:08When that guy becomes Keon Coleman, who again, I think Keon's had a nice year in his more varied role at this point.
9:14But when that guy becomes Keon Coleman, now you almost got four tight ends from a speed perspective on the field here.
9:20And I think that does kind of I'm not saying that that's enough to save Dalton Kincaid from a fantasy standpoint going forward.
9:27But I think getting more back in the mix might make those packages more potent because they were really effective.
9:32And Kincaid specifically was effective out of those the first two weeks.
9:36And that just hasn't really come back here. And obviously more has essentially been banged up since week two and didn't play in tonight's game.
9:43Yeah, I'm assuming DJ Moore will be back the following week.
9:46They just want to give him a one week break here after the setback.
9:50So I understand that theory. I think it does make like football sense to me.
9:54But typically, like I'm on team reduce the target share.
9:57That should be helpful for fantasy and not like he needs the actual guy to spring a more open.
10:02It's like I just want, you know, I want nobody else to throw the ball to just throw the ball to Dalton Kincaid.
10:08That's how I like to get my fantasy points.
10:11I think, you know, I would say panic meter wise for for your show like this would be pretty, pretty high up there.
10:17Would this would be a total panic one? Maybe not a coping corner, but maybe.
10:21Yeah, maybe total panic. Yeah. I mean, certainly if we jacked up the expectations to, oh, this is going to be one
10:28of the top three tight ends, you know, set it and forget it type.
10:31Now, I mean, there are there very many set it and forget it tight ends in fantasy football this year.
10:37Yeah, there's about there's about two of them. One of the guys we were hoping to be has definitely not been that guy in Colson Loveland.
10:44I've had Tyler Warren on teams and that's been kind of a slog.
10:48So, yeah, it's not like there's a ton. It might swing back around for Kincaid, but certainly if we were expecting that
10:54to be the outcome here, I think we're totally panicking on that one.
10:58But and just the Bills offense overall, I think, has felt a little more disorganized and a little more chaotic than maybe
11:04I would have expected after the first two weeks when it kind of felt like Josh Allen had the game in the palm of his hands.
11:11But I am at least willing to be open minded that once we get DJ Moore back in here, it could look
11:17a little bit better and smoother overall. You could tell they showed DJ one time on the sideline and this is his first missed game since 2020.
11:25You could tell that was that was pissing him off.
11:28So we'll see if he can get back here pretty soon.
11:31OK, let's flip over this to the Rams side of things here.
11:34What are your notes for the L.A. Rams? Well, you have to start with Puka Nakua.
11:39We both tweet at the same time. There's a career high for Pukenikua with 21 targets at the time.
11:44He adds another three since we tweeted that one out.
11:47I mean, you can tell he is not 100 percent and they don't care.
11:51And Pukenikua, quite frankly, he doesn't care. And he's still awesome because he's so tough.
11:55He understands zone coverage so well. Matthew Stafford can manipulate zone defenders better than anybody in the league at this point.
12:01And they are like desperate for him because the ground game, like this one of those those weeks where the ground game
12:07wasn't all that explosive, not that successful. Obviously, Blake Corum and Kyron Williams both have goal line touchdowns, but not like a
12:13real like repetitive rushing attack from them. They were really relying on the Pukenikua underneath stuff.
12:18He had 24 targets. His long was only 21 yards.
12:20Like everything was so close to the line of scrimmage.
12:23And that's been a problem for the Buffalo Bills defense.
12:26Christian Benford leaves this game late. But even when he was out there, the other corners in Buffalo are just some of the worst in the league.
12:34And like that's going to be their kind of fatal flaw.
12:37And obviously with Pukenikua, they built the entire game plan around him aside from, you know, the Devontae Adams like goal line touchdowns.
12:43Yeah. Justin Boone, our mutual friend here, of course, he he was he was tilting about this Bill's defense on the Panic Meter podcast earlier today.
12:50He did. We did luckily get some proof of life for Boone.
12:54He did send an LFG text to Colin. So he's excited about this win.
12:58But yeah, this this Bill's defense is a problem, man.
13:00I couldn't believe it. It's one play. Obviously, I haven't seen the all 22 angle.
13:05And to your point, Stafford is so good at manipulating these coverages.
13:08And they do have one of the tight ends.
13:10I think it was Higby just run like a quick hitch to occupy one of those defenders.
13:15But the one out cut for Pukenikua in overtime, I can't believe he's running.
13:19Yeah, I can't believe he's running into a wide open window on the boundary there.
13:23So, yeah, 24 targets for Pukenikua. It's the most for a receiver in at least the last 10 seasons.
13:29The other guys are Garrett Wilson with 23. Jamar Chase with 23.
13:32Him and his teammate Devontae Adams are the only two guys with multiple games of 20 plus targets since 2023.
13:38It just I mean, just outrageous stuff. Yeah, his last 20 spot was against the San Francisco 49ers.
13:43I think that was his rookie season, San Francisco.
13:45Yeah, in 2023, he had 20 targets, 15 catches, 147 yards.
13:48I'm sure, you know, your content at the time.
13:51It's like, man, was that a fluke for the fifth round rookie?
13:54I know I was definitely saying it too. And here we are.
13:58He's got 24 all these years later. 20. That's not a fluke.
14:01I don't care if it's your first game ever.
14:03It's like if you get 20 targets in the game, you're an alpha.
14:07Like you don't need to see more. Yeah, I mean, just like beyond impressive stuff with the whole pre hernia stuff, like
14:13the pre hernia stuff, just like Matthew Stafford's back.
14:16It could all of a sudden just be a thing or it could never be a thing the entire year.
14:21And when he's out there, I don't even think about the pre hernia stuff.
14:25You just trust him as the wide receiver one overall in fantasy.
14:29That's how that's how I'm treating him right now.
14:31And then hopefully the pre hernia stuff doesn't become a massive story later on.
14:35And then with Devante Adams, like even when Puka is out there, it's not the same exact volume, but it's all the volume that you want.
14:42It's like all the red zone goal line stuff.
14:45And once again, we had that here with CJ Gardner Johnson, who, by the way, immediately runs up to after scoring that touchdown.
14:51I'm sure that he was chirping. It was not the cleanest game from CJ as well.
14:56There's a couple of times where CJ was like completely lost in coverage, even like some man coverage reps.
15:01Like he just I think he was responsible for the tight end on a couple of them and was just like running nowhere.
15:07So a very, you know, very troubling game from the Buffalo kind of secondary.
15:11I still think their defensive line has a lot of moments, but just everybody else just does not seem to be on the same page.
15:18So when you have, you know, Matthew Stafford, Puka, Higby and Adams, and then also even Kyron Williams, like these little quick
15:25outs that they do with Kyron and they'll do some choice routes with him.
15:28Obviously, he almost catches that one for a touchdown there.
15:31Those are so valuable. That's like an almost automatic play for them at this point.
15:35Like those little angle routes, they'll do some choice routes from them, sometimes from the slot, sometimes just a little quick out from the backfield.
15:42Like they're really like doubling and tripling down on that this year.
15:46He's going to he's got to be easily on pace for a career high in receptions this year.
15:51Oh, yeah. Eight targets, six catches here tonight, 0.13 air yards per target.
15:55I've been talking about that with Ray on the data dump show where he's been over for the entire season.
16:00So we're going to bring that down a little bit to just most in the NFL, not dramatically most in the NFL
16:06in terms of air yards for Kyron Williams here.
16:09But yeah, he's getting this real deal receiver usage stuff, which is great because they do kind of still need another threat here.
16:15They even mentioned on the broadcast. Yeah, they want to get to to at well some more snaps, which no, they don't.
16:21I mean, he played 30 snaps here, 29 routes.
16:24That's fine, I guess. But it's all there just to clear space.
16:27He finishes the day with one catch for four yards because it totally does feel tight at times with this team.
16:33It doesn't matter all that much when you can pummel 24 targets to one of the best two, three, four wide receivers in football and Puka Nakua.
16:41It's so funny. Like him and JSN are the two guys that it's, you know, Jefferson and Chase, I still think have
16:47to be kind of one and two just because if we're ranking real life receivers because they've done it for multiple years
16:53now, neither one of them is slowing down. You know, they've been, I mean, they've been, they've been great.
16:58JSN and Puka are probably like the next two guys and they're so different.
17:02Like the way they get it done, they, they put up these obnoxious, absurd efficiency numbers, but you know, JSN is so smooth.
17:09He's just like butter out there. He's an elite technician and also has unbelievable body control.
17:13I think Puka Nakua is a great technician, but he's like a power-based player.
17:17So it's so fun that these two guys, they play each other at least two times, maybe three like they did last year, times a year.
17:24Stacking them up together is so fun because they both, again, they, they break the efficiency charts, but they do it in such different ways.
17:31Yeah. It's a lot more like Charles Barkley, like more power forward type of stuff from Puka.
17:36He just, he's so special though. Like the sideline toe tapping stuff, like that's like where he, he shouldn't have that level
17:42of body control and the contested catch ability from him is just wild.
17:46Then the toughness, like there was multiple run plays where he was the guy that was just kicking out a very key defenders over the middle.
17:53So like just a remarkable game from, from Puka there, the Kyron and Blake Corum split was like mostly the same.
17:59I think that even if Blake Corum's going to like, you know, kind of rotate drives, just the fact that they're peppering Kyra Williams to this degree.
18:07And I just checked, he already has 27 receptions.
18:09Like he's typically in the thirties every year. So if he, if he's going to catch 75 passes this season, which he's
18:15on pace for, like that's how he's going to survive.
18:18Even if Blake Corum is like still going to be somewhat annoying when games are tight.
18:23Shout out to Scott Pienowski in our experts league.
18:25Uh, we took Kyron Williams in the second round.
18:28I kind of was raising an eyebrow like the second round for Kyron Williams.
18:32I think he's a great third round pick the second round.
18:35Um, I, Scott hasn't lost yet by the way, folks.
18:37Uh, so we'll be talking about that on the show tomorrow, but there's a reason for that.
18:42So yeah, great pick by Scott. Uh, they're the Rams.
18:45Uh, they get the, again, they get the, uh, they get the Cardinals, the Raiders and the Chargers, the commanders and the
18:51car, the Cardinals up until week 11 by. So yeah, they were due for some maybe cupcake games here.
18:56Uh, and now I think these guys could really put up some insane games here, including Tyler Higby, as long as Terrence Ferguson is out.
19:03Cause Colby Parkinson comes back in this game and he was still the leader.
19:07Receiving tight end. So I think we can continue to ride.
19:10That is kind of one of the low end, you know, tight end starters out there.
19:15So I think you can continue to do that with him.
19:18Bill's schedule upcoming here. Uh, they get the Raiders and Raiders are, you know, both these teams cross here is here coming
19:24up and then they get a week seven by before they come back to a couple tougher games, Ravens Vikings on the other side of that by.
19:32So what a game tonight. Uh, again, just big time performances, but from big time players and ultimately we had to go
19:38pretty deep into overtime before we finally got a win here.
19:41Matt, it's going to be, you know, kind of top of your head, but who would you say is the best team in the NFL right now?
19:49Not record wise, like kind of spinning for it.
19:51It's very close. Like these teams are going to be very high up there.
19:55I would say the Niners and Seahawks obviously are going to be in this conversation.
19:59You can make a case for the Ravens, the cheese.
20:02I mean, there's, it doesn't feel like there's a true like gold star team this year and that there's probably like eight teams in like the eight year.
20:10Like there's been any team that's like firmly stand out above the rest.
20:13Like maybe the Niners offense is so good that you, you would defend them, but I would love to see Lamar Jackson
20:20go toe to toe with Josh Allen and like an MVP race the rest of the season, if he can get fully healthy.
20:26So do you have a good answer for that one?
20:29Yeah. And I thought Jacksonville was in the conversation and then they just had, I just don't trust them as much.
20:35They have like a brain breaking game. That's going to take some time to get the image of Trevor Lawrence losing his, losing his mind.
20:42And I'm saying not like a Trevor Lawrence thing, but losing his mind with the operations there.
20:46So totally get that Kansas city of course is in the mix there, but I feel like they're, I think with all
20:53of these teams, I can sit here and kind of nitpick something like with Kansas city.
20:57I just feel like they're receiving weapons at some point.
21:00We'll come back to bite them for Jacksonville. Their sloppiness will come back to bite them for Buffalo.
21:05The defense can come back to bite them for the Ravens.
21:08I mean, I don't know. Lamar can get a bad case of diarrhea and miss a game or something.
21:13Mark Andrews could come back and bite him like, and that's just the AFC.
21:17And then I think the NFC is really tight at the top.
21:21I would say it's still one of these teams from the West here.
21:24And right now, I guess they'd have to go Niners because I mean, they've beaten both of these teams.
21:30Maybe that's too prisoner of the moment, but don't they also feel like a little bit of a house of cards?
21:35Like how long can they keep getting away with these receiver injuries?
21:39And I think the defense kind of, they play really tough.
21:42They play really hard and physical, which is kind of classic Niners defense, but I'm not sure like if they're talented enough
21:48to be that over the long run there. Yeah.
21:51I think they could get a couple of defensive linemen that kind of pop off.
21:55They're getting like Grayson Halton and stuff, like making some noise here.
21:58But you know, with the Rams, like preseason expectations, the Rams are not as good as that.
22:03I think there's just a couple little things that have not been going their way, but they'll eventually get miles Garrett back.
22:09I am willing to say the Rams at two and three.
22:12It might be the best two and three team ever.
22:15Like this team is still extremely good for sitting at two and three.
22:19They're going to bounce back. The schedule is going to lighten up here and you know, they'll start figuring things out themselves.
22:25Yeah. I think we have a few records that I'm like, I don't know how much I'm buying that, but I think
22:31there are a few of these teams, like even Houston, we'll see if it can come together for them.
22:36They might be the best one in four team I've ever seen.
22:40That's for sure. And their one win is over a lifeless Tennessee Titans team.
22:43So yeah, the NFL is really tight this year.
22:46I think it's going to be a fun rest of the season.
22:49Honestly, I think it's been a blast of a season so far.
22:53And tonight's game was certainly one of the most enjoyable.
22:56Okay. That's it for the Monday night football recap.
22:58Shout out to Hayden Winks. You can catch both of us tomorrow on stats versus film.
23:03And with that, like, yeah, we got to get out of here, man.
23:06I got to go to bed so that I can get up and start grinding this tape.
23:11Okay. So make sure you tune into that one.
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23:17We will catch you all in the next one.
23:19All right. That's our Monday night football recap. Shout out to Hayden Winks.
23:23Great recap there. What an awesome game. Now let's throw it to Justin Boone and the people's panic meter.
23:28The rest of the show. Let's get into it.
23:31It is a hell of a day to talk ball and joining me to do just that is my good friend, Justin Boone.
23:37Boone, what's going on, buddy? What's happening, man? I'm good.
23:40I'm feeling good. A little bit of a humbling week, I would say.
23:43And it's not necessarily like anything that I could have predicted, but I just, man, I get hard on myself.
23:49I get so angry when I get stuff wrong in terms of like projections and rankings and everything.
23:54And like some of the things this week, like Demario Douglas being a top 10 fantasy receiver or, you know, Samajay Pirine
24:00right now before Monday night football being a top 12 running back.
24:04Like no way that we could have projected that stuff.
24:06But regardless, that's what probably fuels me and makes me dig deeper and makes me, you know, figure out ways to refine
24:13the process and get better at it. Honestly, I do need to refine the process and get better because you are still
24:19ahead of me in the expert league. And that is just killing me.
24:22That is like a thorn in my side. But hopefully I'll catch you at some point here.
24:27Yeah, we'll see what happens. Probably not. But no, my team's my team sucks, dude.
24:31And it's funny, Scott, I think is going to go five and oh this week.
24:35I saw it on our weekly editorial calls again.
24:38My team's not that good. It's going to come down to Monday night.
24:42I was like, Scott, I'm looking at the matchup right now.
24:45It's not going to come down to Monday night.
24:47You're going to you're going to win this week.
24:50He's going to be five and oh, and he thinks he thinks his team stinks.
24:54So I actually don't know of anybody other than Hayden, who I think is still, you know, moonwalking down the timeline about how good his team is.
25:01I don't think any of us feel very good about our teams and how many of us can really feel great about our teams right now.
25:09There's a lot of fantasy problems out there, Boone.
25:11There really are. And I think it was good that Scott was kind of honest on that call, though, because if you
25:17look at the points against, he has like 200 fewer points against than the team that's in last place.
25:23So he is getting a little bit lucky in terms of some of these matchups.
25:27It's good that he was realistic about that. I feel OK about the core of my team.
25:32I still got a few things I got to work on my RB2 spot, my flex spot.
25:36But those are the easiest positions to kind of fill along the way.
25:40So I'm coming for you, Herman. I'm excited about that league.
25:43It's going pretty well. Well, if Derek Henry decides to go join the aliens in outer space, which he is actually an alien from outer space.
25:50But if he decides to go back home, then I think I might have something to worry about.
25:56But for now, I feel pretty good about where my team is at.
25:59But like I said, there's a lot of fantasy problems out there in the streets.
26:03We are going to cover a lot of that on today's episode.
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26:28Come along with us on this journey as we try to uncover and fix all of the fantasy problems out there, because
26:34that's what we do every single week here on the Panic Meter Show.
26:38We go through the People's Panic Meter, your submissions to the Panic Meter.
26:41Guys, we should be panicked. Guys, we should not be panicked.
26:44And maybe some players we need to be coping about as we are five weeks through the NFL season.
26:50Then we cover the Duke Cannons waiver wire targets and the players you need to drop.
26:54But before we get into any of that, we have some big news to discuss here.
26:59Talked about it a little bit yesterday on the recap show with Josh and Hayden.
27:03As I said, I think I'm going to be talking about this 99 times between the next few days.
27:08But let's get into it a little bit here, Boone.
27:11I want to hear your thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr.
27:14Officially traded to the Houston Texans. Still pending a physical.
27:17Of course, always is. But the Texans receive Marvin Harrison Jr.
27:20And a 2027 sixth round pick. The Cardinals get back a second rounder and a seventh rounder, both in the 2027 NFL draft.
27:26Pretty good business, I think, for the Cardinals to get a second round pick here.
27:30It was just it was so apparent to me, Boone, that it was time for a divorce between these two parties with
27:37the way he was playing with the way the and again, I think Harrison has been a little unfairly criticized in his first two NFL seasons.
27:44Not so much this year. He was not playing well.
27:47He didn't look fully engaged. It was just time for a divorce.
27:50And now we can kind of clean slate this whole thing for Harrison as he heads to Houston.
27:55So we'll talk a little bit about the Arizona fallout.
27:58But just what is your kind of takeaway from Marvin Harrison Jr.
28:01going to Houston? What are your expectations for him, for Stroud, for Nico, the other pass catchers?
28:06Let's get into it. Well, I felt kind of bad for him over the last couple of seasons because this is one
28:12spot where I think fantasy kind of did him dirty.
28:15Everyone had these massive expectations of him, right? Coming in and redraft and dynasty.
28:19He was going to be this next elite wide receiver, you know, the son of an amazing receiver.
28:24And then it just didn't happen. He wasn't that guy.
28:27And he can still go on to have a great career, but he is not going to be an elite receiver.
28:33That's just not who he is. So this gives him a chance to go from being the third option in Arizona, maybe
28:39the fourth option at times this year in Arizona to now being the number two option in Houston.
28:44I like that for him. I think in redraft now we have a path towards him being a wide receiver for flex, maybe even a wide receiver three.
28:52If everything goes well, the connection with CJ Stroud going back to their college days.
28:56It's a nice setup for him. I will say though, Harmon in dynasty, I'd be trying to capitalize on this.
29:01I'd try to package him with something I'd be selling high because we don't know long-term how this is going to work out.
29:08There's not really a spot for him to be the number one guy in that offensive Nico Collins there.
29:13So I would be trying to take advantage of that in dynasty and move on from him in redraft though.
29:19You could pick them up and stash them and see how this plays out.
29:23I just don't know that he's ever going to be super meaningful for fantasy in terms of like a week winner at league winter type.
29:30I think it really does depend on where Houston's offense goes from here.
29:33And this is just, again, speculating and guessing, but with the way CJ Stroud has played to start this year.
29:39And remember he has two games without Nico Collins this year.
29:42And the offense was dreadful in those two games without Collins, which by the way, I think is a part of why
29:48they make this move because they were just up, you know, what Creek without a paddle.
29:53If they did not have Nico Collins on the field and those two games with their outside receivers being, you know, K.
29:59Deshaun Booty and Xavier Hutchinson. Right. So I think actually having some depth there is key for this team in particular, because
30:05you can basically just, I love Nico Collins. He's an elite.
30:08He is an elite receiver. One of those guys for sure that you can, you can say your watch though, that he's
30:14going to miss a couple of games a year.
30:17Even last year for the Houston Texans, he missed some games in the regular season.
30:21Then he misses the game in the playoffs when they ultimately get obliterated by the new England Patriots.
30:26When Stroud has a complete meltdown game. I don't think they want to find themselves in that situation again.
30:31I think that's part of why they make this trade, but also, but if you just look at again, the way the
30:37Stroud is playing, he's second in the NFL and catchable air yards this year, according to fantasy points data behind only Jared Goff.
30:44He's been playing well. He's been giving these guys opportunities and the run game is not the run game stinks.
30:49The run game is it's so over. Dave Montgomery is going to miss a couple of weeks.
30:54Dave Montgomery wasn't playing well. Anyways, line is better in pass protection than the run game.
30:59I just wonder if we could kind of see this team say, Hey, let's spread the field.
31:03Get a bunch of eligible, eligible out there. Jalen Nola is coming on.
31:07Jalen Nola's had two good games back to back.
31:10They're starting to get him more involved consistently. Like let's go 11 personnel is our base offense.
31:14I'm guessing this is where I'm as a receiver dork.
31:17I won't waste everybody's time on this. They can check out my other shows for this type of stuff.
31:22But as a receiver dork, I'm really fascinated to see.
31:25Is it Collins at X and Harrison at Z or vice versa?
31:29My guess is it's going to be the former, not the latter.
31:32We see Nico in his same role, but we get him out there like X, Z.
31:36And then Nola is the slot. They rotate in Hutchinson.
31:39They rotate in booty because they're a spread offense.
31:42I mean, I could see this being one of the most pass heavy teams in the NFL going forward, which would be
31:48a benefit for all of these guys to have a little bit of fantasy viability.
31:52Does that make CJ Stroud kind of interesting from all this?
31:55I mean, all the focus will be on the skill position, guys.
31:59But it kind of makes me think I agree with you.
32:02CJ Stroud has played pretty well this year. This all of a sudden does make him a little more interesting as maybe
32:08a low end QB one the rest of the season.
32:11I would love to see them go in that direction because, yeah, we're going to talk about David Montgomery much, much later in this episode.
32:18And spoiler, it's not a good section to be in.
32:20We will talk about him at the end of the show.
32:23So I think they should do that, Herman. And it makes me want to go after Stroud a little bit here.
32:29And, you know, the bye weeks are coming up, so you can certainly grab some of these guys as bye week replacements.
32:36But there's a chance now with this group around him, I think the path could be there for him to be a meaningful fantasy piece.
32:43Yeah, it's a great call. Stroud right now is QB 13 in points per game, QB 9 in overall scoring.
32:48I mean, I think this continues for Stroud. I know he turned into a little bit of a meme in the offseason
32:54because he was terrible in the playoffs, but he was a top 10 quarterback in EPA per play last regular season.
33:00So far this year, again, I think he's been very good in adverse situations.
33:04Last two games, admittedly, it's against the Titans and the Cowboys.
33:07And they're both just completely terrible defenses. Obviously, the Titans are just one of I feel bad for Titans fans, man.
33:13It's just so hopeless. But anyways, that's where they are.
33:16I get that. But having Collins back, not even 100%, by the way, I charted both those games.
33:21That guy's not even 100% healthy and he's still a dominant player.
33:24Stroud has been excellent in these two games against bad defenses.
33:27I get that. But this team's not going to be what we expected, right?
33:31We know their defense is not one of the two or three best in the NFL.
33:36They're a good unit, but not a great unit.
33:38They're probably a great unit. They're just not an elite unit.
33:41So they're going to need Stroud to dig them out of some of these holes.
33:45Looks like he's capable of it. I think he's emerging as a guy you can start every single week.
33:51And yeah, just again on the Harrison stuff, I really do think it matters, Boone, that there's a relationship between Stroud and Harrison.
33:57You know, I honestly don't know. I would still be a little maybe skeptical of the Marv stuff if he was maybe going anywhere else.
34:04Like, again, people throughout the Raiders, just for example, as a team.
34:08And I mean, they do need a receiver of Marvin Harrison's archetype, theoretically.
34:11But the fact that he's going to someplace where the quarterback already believes in him and is talking about in some interviews,
34:17like this is one of the hardest workers I've ever been around.
34:21I know the film's been bad on Harrison this year.
34:24I can't defend some of the lackluster routes and the low effort.
34:27But I just think we're going to see a different version of Harrison this like upcoming stretch here with the Texans than
34:33we saw the last, I would say, you know, three or four games with the Arizona Cardinals.
34:38OK, so we had pretty high hopes for Jaden Higgins before the season, before he got hurt.
34:43I was talking about as like potentially a wide receiver three.
34:46That's how he was producing down the stretch last year.
34:48Final answer, Harmon. Like, do you see Marv having that kind of potential in this offense?
34:53Potentially more, potentially less? What do you think? I think he'll be.
34:56The tough part is that I really think Nola is playing well, and I mean, it's this is not a perfect analogy.
35:02I think in an ideal world, this works out for the Texans where you have a one in Nico and then, you
35:09know, kind of a T Higgins type two is what like he's a two, but he's ultimately just a two.
35:14Right. So I think the guess I need more for fantasy.
35:17I'm talking wide receiver. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not wide receiver three in this offense.
35:22Totally, totally. But my point in that was just like, that's easy to say for the two Bengals guys because they don't have a third receiver.
35:29Right. We were getting ourselves excited about Dante Myers and Mike Gusecki because they haven't had that answer as the third receiver.
35:35I think the Texans do have that, which makes the volume question here a little bit different.
35:40I would say probably receiver three in fantasy. I think he ultimately can get into kind of that and look, we're going to talk about guys today.
35:47Josh Downs, right? Like he's in this nebulous zone where every now and again, he has a good week, but like that's
35:53wide receiver three in fantasy right now. So I think that's still setting expectations in a reasonable spot.
35:58It just comes down to do they really let CJ Stroud cook ultimately.
36:02So I would say redraft wise should be rostered everywhere.
36:05I think he, you know, is a guy that we weren't even considering ranking.
36:09I mean, when's the last time you ranked him in higher than wide receiver 45 or something like that.
36:14Marvin Harrison Jr. Anytime this season. It's been a minute.
36:17Yeah, it's definitely been at least a few weeks.
36:19So I think he'll probably, he'll be a guy that I think we can at least get into the thirties at the receiver position.
36:26Once he gets fully ramped up. I think Jalen Noel remains a really good buy dynasty is the more, is the more difficult one.
36:33I've docked Marv into like kind of the thirties in my dynasty rankings.
36:37I'm probably comfortable keeping him there because I'm still relatively aligned with the market, but you think this is a pretty good sell window for Harrison.
36:44I just wonder if anybody is even going to be really wanting to buy, or maybe it will be off the optimism here.
36:50So I had a friend message me last night and ask me what I thought that he should do with Marv and dynasty.
36:57And to me, it's you package him with something else, because if you just try to sell him straight up, I don't
37:03know that you're going to find somebody that's that excited about making that deal.
37:07So I think you try to package him with something else, capitalize on his name being in the headlines on some people
37:13out there talking him up a little bit. And then you try to upgrade at a different position.
37:18That's normally when you have these kinds of volatile assets, you're not sure about packaging with another guy.
37:23If they haven't really been doing it for a while, the odds of them coming through to me, we're playing probabilities here
37:29are usually lower than them actually becoming something really meaningful in your lineup.
37:33So I'm trying to move off of that, especially when it comes to receivers that really haven't lived up to expectations.
37:39That's normally when you want to move on from those guys.
37:42And if you can reset with a draft pick, great.
37:45If you want to move on and package him for a player at another position, I'm fine with that, too.
37:50Yeah, I think that can be a savvy move.
37:53Just depends on, again, what you can get. I think if you're the Texans, you have to kind of hope that this
37:59is like the Amari Cooper trade where you're buying it just the right time when it's really slipping away.
38:04Cooper was more productive than Harrison on just a bottom line basis.
38:08But another fourth overall pick, a guy that ultimately his career started to slip away, got a position change in Dallas to
38:14play more Z receiver, and it went really well for him.
38:17So that's kind of the hope that you have to have if you're invested in Harrison, if you're the Houston Texans, the whole deal.
38:23Again, I literally had a 48-minute conversation about this with James Coe on Reception Perception, the show earlier today.
38:29I could talk about this Marv stuff for a long, long time.
38:32So I don't normally say, hey, go listen to my other shows here.
38:36But I'm going to do it here once and say go check that out if you want longer, more receiver dork thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:43I think we've got as much as we possibly could from just a brass tacks fantasy standpoint on this one.
38:49So let's move on to a couple other quick injury updates before we get into the panic meter.
38:54Michael Penix. Sounds like there's some optimism that he is going to be able to play Sunday against the Bears.
38:59Shepter followed that up with Michael Penix's rib injury not considered serious, according to sources.
39:03Might be able to play for the game against the Bears, but the team wants to be cautious, see him practice this
39:10week before they know whether he will play in week six.
39:13I certainly don't want to see Tua throw another pass for this team again.
39:17I'm good on that after what we got on Sunday night here, Boone.
39:20So that obviously is a situation we're going to have to monitor this week.
39:24Yeah, I don't know if Tua wants to throw another pass in this offense, right?
39:28I think he would be more than happy to hold the clipboard and stay on the sidelines.
39:33So yeah, this would be really bad news for Drake London, who we know his ceiling is just so elevated when Penix is out there.
39:40So fingers crossed, man, because this offense was awful in those first two weeks without Penix.
39:45It's been more interesting since. So we need to keep him upright.
39:48We need to keep him healthy. We're going to hope all week here.
39:52We're going to light candles. We're going to do whatever we have to do to make sure that he's out there so
39:58that all those fantasy assets in that Falcons offense are rolling in our fantasy lineups.
40:02Last thing here real quick, Debo Samuels expected to miss quote at least a couple weeks for the hamstring injury he suffered on Sunday in Seattle.
40:09Man, San Francisco is running out of bodies at the receiver position.
40:13Mike Evans was awesome on Sunday. Debo has been useful for them.
40:16He, of course, now is going to miss some time.
40:19Brandon Cooks got into the end zone. Two ballers from that 2015 class.
40:22Mike Evans and Brandon Cooks still getting it done sort of kind of at very different levels.
40:27You just have to wonder if San Francisco starts sniffing around for a wide receiver at the NFL trade deadline.
40:33Brian Thomas Jr., I don't know. We'll see what happens.
40:36But, yeah, they certainly are hurting at the receiver spot, though.
40:39Yeah, and they have a buy in week eight.
40:41So I don't think we're going to see Debo until at least week nine here, probably.
40:46And it's going to just concentrate the offense even more, right?
40:49Like CMC, Kittle, Mike Evans. These guys are going to continue to be great for fantasy.
40:53Brandon Cooks, that is you got to be in like a crazy deep league to be going after him.
40:59If you want to take some shots on waiver wear guys like Christian Kirk is on this team.
41:04He's on IR. Dazon Stribling. We're not expecting him back for a while here, but he's somebody else you could stash in
41:10an IR spot and hope that he comes back down the stretch and can give you something because he had a big
41:16role in week one before he got hurt. So it's terrible news.
41:19But really, if you're a fantasy manager who has one of these core pieces in San Francisco, you're feeling good about it
41:25as long as they can stay healthy because it seems like that Grim Reaper has been coming for every single guy.
41:31We need Mike Evans to stay out there. We need Kittle to stay out there.
41:35And obviously CMC is somehow sold his soul to the devil the last couple of years and managed to avoid any injuries.
41:42Mike Evans quietly putting up Jackson Smith and Jigbo level receiving efficiency stats on a per route basis.
41:47So, yeah, let's just hope he can stay on that football field.
41:50But OK, that's the news. We had a lot to talk about there.
41:54We've got even more to talk about as we get into the panic meter.
41:58So with that, welcome to the post week five people's panic meter.
42:01Would you say it's time for everyone to panic?
42:03Yes, I would get. Oh, my God. OK, it's happening.
42:06No, no, no, no. Everybody stay calm. All right, we'll get into your panic meter submissions here for this week.
42:12But let's quickly look at the state of the coping corner.
42:15Revisit that one here. Chargers offense, which remember, when we have guys in the coping corner, that means we're not panicking anymore.
42:21We're just coping about these guys. And it is what it is, right?
42:25So we still every week I put the tweet out, Chargers offense, Amarian Hampton.
42:29I'm panicked about it. You're screwed if you drafted Amarian Hampton.
42:32It's over. You're coping. He's in the coping corner.
42:34You're in the coping corner. So that's that. Let's remember what the coping corner is.
42:38OK, Travis Achan, obviously in the coping corner. J.K.
42:41Dobbins, David Montgomery, Emeka Ibuka, Brian Thomas Jr. We did at least get some signs of life from J.K.
42:46Dobbins and Emeka Ibuka. Wide receiver 15 for Ibuka this past week.
42:50RB 13 for J.K. Dobbins. I'm going to go ahead and say, Boone, and you tell me if you disagree.
42:55I don't think either rises to the level of let's take these guys out of the coping corner.
43:00But do you disagree? No, I'm glad you feel the same.
43:03And really, if we took away the touchdowns from these two guys, I don't even think we'd be having the conversation.
43:09Right. Like the yardage was a little bit better, but it wasn't anything super exciting.
43:1374 scrimmage yards for Dobbins took 19 touches to do it.
43:17And now you worry that, OK, if Sean Payton taking the reins and Sean Payton kind of giving him more work, is
43:23this going to increase the odds that potentially Dobbins has that injury that he has every year?
43:27Right. That's concerning. And they get the Seahawks defense next.
43:30And I'm not really hopeful about that matchup for Dobbins.
43:33So that's not great. And then, yeah, Buka needs a little more here before I think we consider him coming out of this.
43:39He scored on a 14-yard run, too. So that was maybe a little bit fluky.
43:44So let's keep all that stuff in mind and let's keep these guys in there.
43:48We're going to slow play this one. Yeah. Crams in the YouTube chat said Buka should be out of the corner now.
43:54I totally disagree. That was a rushing touchdown that he scored on.
43:57Jalen Daniels looks good as a backup undrafted quarterback who played the disgusting Dallas Cowboys defense on Thursday night.
44:03I would love to be wrong because I have a Buka in several leagues, including the Experts League, where I did not start him.
44:09I did start him in another league, and I felt like I got away with it.
44:14Okay? So I'm going to need a few weeks of the offense looking a little bit better in Tampa Bay and, frankly,
44:20doing it against a real defense before I want to take a Buka out of the coping corner.
44:25Because I still didn't see, like, oh, yeah, he's the metronome of the offense.
44:29We can consistently activate him on these downfield concepts.
44:32I'm still going to say a Buka in the coping corner.
44:35And, by the way, just real quick before we get into the rest of this, especially the Dobbins Broncos of it all.
44:41Isn't it so funny how this stuff works, Boone?
44:43There's currently a war going on on Twitter between Packers and Bears fans.
44:47But you idiots, Packers fans saying to Bears fans, you idiots said Luther Burden was clearly better than Matthew Golden.
44:53Now it's so obvious that Matthew Golden is way better than Luther Burden.
44:56And at the beginning of last season, it's like a Buka was way better than any of these guys.
45:02And now it probably – I mean, this is just how it goes at this position, just as we always say.
45:07It's so up and down, up and down. Guys go this way.
45:11They go that way. It's circumstances-based. It's just funny how this class in particular – obviously, McMillan's been great the whole time.
45:17I think we all know he's the top-ranked player of the class, at least to me.
45:21I think that's a settled debate was that way as a prospect.
45:25But these other guys kind of behind him, it's been a little flip-floppy with them.
45:29Yeah, and Buka's just been like this weird enigma ever since last year, right?
45:33That strong start, and then he has the injury and falls off.
45:36And now this year, we haven't really got enough information to go on.
45:40And with Baker being out, that makes it even harder to evaluate here.
45:43So I'm still holding in Dynasty. I'm still pretty hopeful, I think, that he's going to get this right and have a
45:50strong career and be a pretty good fantasy play and a pretty good fantasy starter.
45:54But right now, it's still up in the air.
45:56And having a backup out there, as good as Jalen Daniels has performed and he's kept that offense moving, it's not making
46:03it any easier to try to figure out what Buka is actually going to be the rest of this season and beyond.
46:09Yeah, no. Again, it's nice to see that for Jalen Daniels, but now they play the Steelers in Week 6.
46:14That's a little bit of a different defensive situation there.
46:17Okay, let's talk about the Broncos because we mentioned J.K.
46:20Dobbins taking him out of the coping corner. I'm going to go ahead and just say, actually, I think we should toss
46:26the entire Broncos offense into the coping corner. That's my thought here.
46:29But here's our submissions before I've led the witness maybe with the way I want to get to the conclusion here.
46:35So we'll see if Boone can talk me down.
46:38Jalen Waddell, email comes in from Jeff B. My submission is about Jalen Waddell because he is the one in the Denver offense that I invested in.
46:45But even when Peyton is calling plays, this offense stinks.
46:48Getting back to Waddell, take away Week 2 and he has 10 catches for 66 yards and a touchdown in the other four games.
46:55I want to ride the ups and downs with him, but the downs are very hard to deal with.
47:00Coping are you RJ Harvey? We got an email from Jason C said not a major player, but seriously WTF was that Peyton while we're at it.
47:08All Broncos offensive players are disasters and largely unplayable week to week.
47:11I don't know why anybody in their right mind Boone thought that Sean Payton is going to get in there and he's
47:17just going to call the good plays. He's just going to push the good play button because the issue is the quarterback.
47:23The quarterback is playing poorly right now. Now it's obvious to anybody who's watching this team.
47:28It's obviously to any obviously anyone watching the tape right now.
47:31So until something changes with that, I think this offense is in the coping corner because none of these guys are going
47:37to hit their ceilings with the way Bo Nix is playing right now.
47:41And yeah, really the only one in my opinion that we should even really care about is Jalen Waddle because I'm not
47:47falling for the RJ Harvey PPR scam. JK Dobbins.
47:49Yeah, they got him 18. What is a bunch of carries that went absolutely nowhere.
47:54That's also something to the offensive line is maybe not played quite as well as you thought.
47:58But I don't know, man. I'm just totally done with this offense, but this could just be because of how frustrating I think it's been with Bo Nix.
48:06So you tell me if I'm overreacting here. Well, I wasn't sure what direction you were going to go in.
48:12I am more than happy to put Waddle in the coping corner.
48:15That was my first instinct. I thought the only reason we wouldn't do it is because we spent so much time this
48:21summer talking him up and we might not want to admit that we were totally wrong on that.
48:26But at the moment, it looks like we were totally wrong on that, right?
48:30The results are in here. We have four games where he's been at 35 yards or less.
48:35Three of those games have been under 20 yards.
48:38And yes, you know, he's had a couple of fantasy days that were OK.
48:42He had one good one. He had one that he kind of saved with a touchdown.
48:46But just like Dobbins, I said a second ago, he gets Seattle next.
48:50So do we really expect that he's going to come out and, you know, make us just totally look foolish by having a big game against the Seahawks?
48:57I highly doubt that. So it's been bad. Him, I'm definitely coping corner with.
49:01And I'm OK putting Harvey in the coping corner.
49:04The only reason that I guess my panic level on him maybe wasn't quite as high is what we expect from RJ Harvey this year, right?
49:11I always bring in like the expectations versus reality thing to this.
49:15To me, it was like RJ Harvey was not running away with this job.
49:18He wasn't going to become like a workhorse back in this offense.
49:22He's kind of been like I know he had a bad week this week, but he's kind of been the guy that we expected.
49:29The two games before that, he was getting a ton of work in the passing game.
49:33But he doesn't get a lot of carries. And when he does, he's not really efficient with them, right?
49:38So he's filling that role that I expected. I don't want to spoil something from the waiver wire section, but I will.
49:45And I'll just say that Jonah Coleman is out there, right?
49:48Jonah Coleman is available in like 70% of leagues.
49:50You can stash him in your IR spot. We don't know if a Dobbins injury is going to happen.
49:55And maybe this won't matter because the Broncos offense has been terrible, but I at least would be grabbing Jonah Coleman and
50:02putting him on IR on my team. Just use that spot.
50:05Have him there just in case an opportunity opens up in this backfield.
50:08Because I don't think Dobbins or Harvey have really run away with this job.
50:12And maybe this offense will get better as we go.
50:15But right now, it is not great. So if you want to go coping corner for all of them, that whole team can join the charges in there.
50:23Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, I just we can take players out, right?
50:27We put Drake may hit it. What do you have a one week stint in the coping corner?
50:32Maybe this is what Bo Nix needs to get it done.
50:35But I mean, just with the way we were wrong.
50:38We were wrong about Jalen Waddle. I'm not going to get take locked on this.
50:42And I don't think it's because of Jalen Waddle.
50:44Now, he has had like four drops this year, which is annoying because he's not a guy who's ever had drop problems.
50:51So if we're calling balls and strikes here, there's definitely some times where he's left plays on the field.
50:56But there's so many more open throws that the quarterback is just not taking right now.
51:00It's so again, it is so obvious to anybody who is watching the tape, anyone that is just seeing this with a clear eye right now.
51:08A lot of people have pointed it out. I saw Ben Solak from ESPN did a great video on it.
51:13It's it's mind breaking, brain breaking, like pain inducing to watch Bo Nix play quarterback right now, which, you know, again, I
51:19think we got the role change for Jalen Waddle 100 percent right.
51:23I think he's the clear runaway in terms of like first read targets on the team.
51:27He's the guy they want to build around. The problem is just the quarterback is playing way worse than he has.
51:33He's always had some of these bad habits, but now he's become a worse version of himself.
51:38Hopefully that just gets fixed. Like that's pretty much the story.
51:41That's the coping story. You have to tell yourself the hopium story with Jalen Waddle right now in fantasy.
51:46But yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. I pointed people to drafting Jalen Waddle.
51:50I drafted Jalen Waddle. I'm not enjoying it. And I, you know, I apologize to people who followed our advice, Boone, because
51:56it's it's not been fun right now. That is for sure.
51:59Yeah. And I don't know that there's much more to say on it, Harmon.
52:03I think you nailed it. I have no notes to add there.
52:06All right. Well, then let's get to an offense.
52:09It's a little bit easier to talk about. Saints offense comes in from Dom V.
52:13Perhaps this was me setting the bar a bit too high for them in my head.
52:18And I know that Brian Flores is an evil genius.
52:20But how worried are you about the ceiling of the Saints offense and Chris Olave?
52:25I mean, I'm pretty much like no panic for Chris Olave.
52:28Tyler Shuck, maybe some panic because, you know, he's got this broken hand situation that he's dealing with that he's been kind of cagey about.
52:35You know, the coach. He's has a little cagey about it.
52:38For some reason, the producers wrote Saints running back panic meter level on the outline.
52:42I mean, who cares? Like if you're starting a Saints running back, you're a fantasy.
52:46You're either in a disgusting deep league or your fantasy team is screwed.
52:50So really, I think this is about Chris Olave, Tyler Shuck.
52:53I'm pretty close to no panic on any of these guys.
52:56Do you feel differently? Definitely no panic on Olave.
52:58And I mean, yeah, one bad week in a tough matchup is not going to make us get worried about him.
53:04The only thing that might is that Tyler Shuck injury.
53:07And we're going to have to figure out if that's going to cost him any time or impact him in any way
53:13because it didn't look great last week. It was the mix of both that matchup against the Vikings and having to play through that hand injury.
53:21It's not as throwing hands. So, you know, maybe not quite as concerning, but it's still a problem.
53:26If you're a quarterback out there trying to compete at a high level and you're dealing with a serious injury.
53:31We don't have all the details on it yet, though.
53:34So we'll be monitoring that one this week. But I mean, for Olave, it's been what, like 15 plus fantasy points every week before this week?
53:41Like, let's be pretty happy with that. And I imagine that's going to continue as long as Shuck's not going to miss any sort of like massive time.
53:49The only real concern with me for Shuck would be the injury as well.
53:53So, yeah, I mean, some panic, I guess, because he is hurt and he's not giving us the details.
53:58And the fact that he was cagey about it is a little bit concerning.
54:02But I want to believe that's just him being like a good soldier, right?
54:06Like he's just maybe listen to the coach telling him don't give out information.
54:10And he's just trying to be that guy. So fingers crossed that Shuck's going to be all right.
54:15And then, I mean, should we just like, you know, administratively put the Saints backs in the coping corner?
54:21I know you're saying it doesn't really matter here, but like, yeah, like they should probably be in there.
54:26We don't need to talk about this. And we don't need to talk about it even when Travis H is back because
54:32when he comes back, even before he was gone.
54:34Yeah. OK, there you go. So it's, yeah, three, three back system, a committee all the way.
54:39It was that when he was there. It was been that since he got hurt.
54:43Kamara is not the same guy. He's not able to hold up to these workloads.
54:48He dealt with an injury. That's why this week it didn't look the same.
54:52He wasn't getting the same kind of volume. And let's face it, Monday night, a couple of weeks ago, he got lucky with the touchdowns.
54:59Right. So, yeah, I don't love hearing you make those comments, but it is true because I did have to start Kamara
55:05in that game in the expert league. But, man, I got lucky having him in my flex in the one game where he scores two touchdowns.
55:12I did not have to play him this week.
55:15So fortunately, it all worked out there. But, yeah, all of these guys to the coping corner in that backfield.
55:20Yeah. OK, here's an interesting one to talk about.
55:23I'm not really sure where I stand on it, so I'm curious where you're at.
55:27Email from Eddie G who wants to dissect this particular running back tier.
55:30Let's call it the back end RB1 tier guys that were drafted ninth to 18th overall.
55:35These guys were deemed great value, but there's only been three right answers and three very, very wrong answers.
55:40Congrats if you drafted Ken Walker, Derek Henry, or to a lesser extent, Ashton Gentry.
55:44I'm sorry if you drafted. You should be totally panicking on Chase Brown, Amarian Hampton, Saquon Barkley, or Devon A-chan.
55:50Obviously, A-chan probably wasn't going to be a good pick there anyways, but he obviously got hurt.
55:55What can you do? I don't know. Ollie Gordon now.
55:58I mean, A-chan just had to get him out of there.
56:01Now Ollie Gordon's got them cooking, putting an egg on our face every single week, Boone, talking about him off the waiver wire.
56:07So I don't know. A-chan, that maybe was going to be a loss anyways, but got hurt.
56:12What can you do? Saquon Barkley, same thing. Probably some process mistakes to have him in this area, but nevertheless, just things have gone completely wrong.
56:19You couldn't have predicted a lot of this stuff there either.
56:22Hampton, yeah. Hampton, I mean, I said this in preseason.
56:25He was like, why are you drafting Hampton? Hoping he's going to become Derek Henry.
56:29We can just draft Derek Henry. I still had him ranked as a top 30-ish player or whatever.
56:34So again, ultimately still a bad pick for sure in this spot.
56:38That's why he's in the coping corner. Chase Brown, though.
56:40That's an interesting one here. Where are you at from a panic meter standpoint on Chase Brown, who right now is the
56:47running back 18 in points per game? Samaj P.
56:49Ryan got involved. He's been kind of annoyingly involved here to the point that Chase Brown only has a 74% share of
56:55the running back touches so far for the Cincinnati Bengals.
56:58And he has zero touches inside the two-yard line, 33% inside the five-yard line.
57:02Where are you at on Chase Brown, who's been not a complete bust, but definitely disappointing relative to cost?
57:07I'm at some panic because obviously it hasn't been great.
57:10I think we can explain some of it away with the matchups, which we knew were going to be tough early in the season.
57:17I wrote about him as a buy low candidate.
57:19I thought last week would be a game where he would finally blow up and then he has the fumble.
57:25But if we look at the usage in the weeks before that, and even before the fumble happened in that game, it was all right, Harmon.
57:32He's been playing 76% of the snaps to just 17 for Pirine.
57:36And then in this game before the fumble, it was still 71% of the snaps to 29 for Pirine.
57:41And yeah, Pirine's been like kind of annoying before that, but then the fumble happens and that's when everything flips, right?
57:47Pirine goes to 73% of the remaining snaps. Brown to 48 because they were using them like in the slot a little
57:53bit and stuff and having Pirine in the backfield on some of those snaps.
57:57So he has a bye week this week. I think his manager is probably very upset with what they've gotten so far
58:03and where they had to take him in the second round.
58:06And he hasn't really lived up to that. I'm still buying.
58:09I think this is going to be unpopular, Harmon, but I am still buying him here.
58:14Remember what happened with Ramondre Stevenson a couple of weeks ago, right?
58:17He had the fumble in that game. Everybody was like so worried all the fumbling issues here.
58:22He's going to lose his job. It's going to be Travion Henderson time.
58:25And what happened the next week? Stevenson comes back.
58:28He's the lead back again. And now, I mean, Henderson's a little banged up.
58:32So we'll see how that goes. But it's not like they just wrote him off because he had a fumble.
58:37I don't think that's going to happen here either.
58:40Chase Brown is still the best back in this backfield.
58:43Will Pirine be annoying the rest of the season?
58:45Yes. But I think better days are going to come here for Chase Brown, right?
58:50And if you look at the matchups in the opening month, Bucs, Texans, Steelers, and Jags, some pretty tough run defenses there.
58:56In the one good one that he gets the Dolphins, that's the game that he fumbles.
59:00Yeah. Coming back from the buy, Harmon, I was talking to producer Colin today about some buy low running back options.
59:06And I didn't really get his take on Brown.
59:09I mentioned Brown as a guy that I'd be looking at.
59:12Bashaw Tootin is like the one that just has the lights all around him.
59:16Go get him. There's so much more there. He's in a great offense.
59:19He is going to be fantastic. So if you can convince someone to buy low on him, I would do that.
59:25But Brown's also on that list for me. And I mean, if you look at it like RB 38 through five games
59:31last year, remember what the problem was? There was the burrow injury, but also some very tough matchups.
59:36He was averaging just 8.1 fantasy points per game through those first five weeks.
59:40And then from week six on RB nine averaging 17.3 fantasy points per game and half PPR this year, RB 21 and half PPR averaging 10.6.
59:47So we'll see where this goes after the buy.
59:50But I still think there is a lot of ceiling.
59:53He's going to be better. Harmon, I'd be trying to buy low here because I'm imagining that most managers that are holding him are pretty upset.
60:00Oh, yeah. I think you convinced me. I was a little more panic coming into this.
60:05I'm willing to leave it at some panic. I think that was a really good bit of analysis there.
60:10The only thing I'm just concerned about is that the Bengals are back to their usual ways where it's all gone.
60:16We've let go of the under center run game, which is what I thought might have helped Brown access a little bit more fantasy upside.
60:23But we've also seen Brown thrive in this exact same environment, even if the defense admittedly, is better this year than it
60:29has been in previous years where they could just kind of scam him targets consistently.
60:33So, yeah, right now he is running back running back 18 and points per game.
60:37I think he could climb up to maybe being a use like a more of a useful running back to do you think that's fair?
60:44Do you still see maybe a path to low end running back one output?
60:48No, I think we're probably beyond that. It's possible.
60:51Let's face it. It's possible. He did it last year.
60:54We could see that, but I think the realistic path is more towards him being like a top 15 guy or certainly
61:00a top 20 guy the rest of the season.
61:02And you can probably get him for less than that right now, especially with the bye week coming up.
61:08And it always factors in whether his manager has a winning or a losing record.
61:12If they've been struggling with him in their lineup, they probably have a losing record.
61:16They might need to win right away. That's a reason why you might be able to get him a little cheaper as well.
61:22Yeah, good trade target for teams that are already good.
61:25Maybe don't need a running back too, but maybe he becomes an awesome flex play for you.
61:30I like that for a particular trade target for those type of teams.
61:34And yeah, teams always do some self-scouting during the bye.
61:36Maybe the Bengals do a few things to kind of tweak the levers in their run game and get Chase Brown going because certainly been disappointing so far.
61:44Okay, we're going to take our first quick break.
61:47We come back. We're coming back with more of your submissions to the Panic Meter.
61:51We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
61:54Let's get back into your submissions to the People's Panic Meter, starting with another Colson Loveland suggestion.
61:59This is like become Colson Loveland Monday, as producer Colin was saying during the break here.
62:03Kat Sager just sends in Loveland is cooked. I will say, Boone, I'm willing to go total panic on Loveland still, but
62:09I'm going to hold off on Coping Corner on any of these bears.
62:13I'm going to go total panic on the pass catchers until we see like a longer stretch with Caleb Williams.
62:19I know that obviously we had some games with Caleb Williams to start and Colson Loveland wasn't doing anything.
62:24But ultimately, I'm not. I just feel like we're jumping the gun with any sort of these grand proclamations after this week
62:30five game when Tyson Bajan was terrible and case game just got in there and just checked the ball down and the
62:36bears kind of got dominated along the line of scrimmage.
62:39Like this is I mean, tail as old as time.
62:42Boone backup quarterback comes in, shows a little something.
62:44People start. I saw some think pieces about who Caleb Williams time to throw versus and, you know, no disrespect people doing
62:51this, but like Caleb Williams time to throw versus these other guys.
62:54And then the backup quarterback gets absolutely smoked in a game.
62:57That's his tail as old as time. I think we do need to see Caleb Williams with this team before we make any big proclamations.
63:04But I'm open to hearing your thoughts on Loveland if you feel differently.
63:08I'm also total panic. And I think you and I maybe spend too much time together because my take is pretty much the same here, right?
63:15You have that first game in week one with Caleb.
63:18And yes, it was awful. That was Loveland's worst game from a stat standpoint because it was all zeros across the board, right?
63:24He only had two targets. But then the next week, it's that rain out game.
63:28We can't really even consider that one. And that's the one where Caleb gets hurt.
63:33And then since then, it's been backups and they've just been getting by.
63:36Now, do I think that what we said last week is true, which is that this offense is going to spread it
63:42around more than we thought before the season? Yeah, I think that's kind of how we look at this thing now.
63:48The way it ended last year really seemed like Loveland was going to be a target hog, that he would at least
63:54be one of the top two guys in terms of targets in this offense.
63:58And last year when he was averaging double digit targets over the last four games, including the playoffs there, it really gave us some hope.
64:05So he's not going to be that guy. Can he still be a usable fantasy tight end, a low end fantasy tight end one?
64:12I definitely think that's still in play. So I'm not going to go coping corner yet either, even though it has been so bad.
64:19But what are you going to do? Are you going to drop him right now?
64:23Like, I don't think I would drop him. I'm holding him right now in the expert league.
64:28And I'm lucky enough to have George Kittle in that one because he fell and I didn't want anyone else to get him.
64:34So I ended up getting George Kittle. So I'm OK at the tight end position.
64:38But I'm holding on Loveland because better days are going to come for him.
64:42Maybe there'll be an opportunity for me to sell a little bit higher.
64:46And I think that's what other managers should do, should do, too.
64:49You can't sell him for for nothing right now.
64:52And you can't just outright drop him. Yeah, we did get a chat question in the chat from Chris Hernandez, I believe,
64:58who asked, is it time to move on from Loveland and Waddle?
65:01If so, who do you recommend I target one for one or in a trade package?
65:06Look, you can try to package these guys. Because everybody else has access to the Internet and they are not going to,
65:12you know, you're not getting anything good for Waddle or Loveland.
65:15Both of those guys I would recommend as either holds or, you know, maybe you buy them in like a trade package situation.
65:21If you can get something in that way is what I would do with it.
65:26I would recommend them being more so buys than then you should try to trade them away.
65:30You're not going to get anything good. Tell me if you feel differently, boom.
65:34But the one thing for Loveland here that is an issue, the like 89% route participation in week one.
65:40Every other game since then, it's 71%, 74%, 72%, 77%.
65:42He's just not like a priority player in the offense.
65:45Which to your point, I was willing to bet on all these Bears pass catchers because I thought the ceiling of the offense would be so high.
65:53And look, we've seen one full game with the starting quarterback and they scored 59 points.
65:57I know that these guys didn't pop off in that game, but the ceiling I think is still present when Williams is available.
66:04Even so, though, I don't think Loveland is a priority enough to like if we redrafted today, there's no way I would
66:10take him close to where I had him ranked going to the going into week one.
66:14I don't know. Would he go in the top 100 picks if we were drafting today?
66:19Like, I don't think so. Like, I don't know.
66:21Yeah, like I think he would be down drafted like tight end 10, tight end 12, probably, you know, ninth, 10th round kind of thing.
66:28Nowhere near where he was going, which was like fourth round.
66:31I haven't saw as early as the third round with some of the hype in the summer.
66:36So, yeah, the value now is way down. That's why you're going to sit on this and let's see Caleb back and where this goes.
66:43And I guess the one positive being the usage you talked about.
66:46That was the Caleb game when that was the case, right?
66:50It didn't turn into much because, like I said, there were no catches and two targets and it wasn't really the great
66:56volume that we would hope from him. But at least there was some usage there.
67:00And maybe with Caleb back, maybe it could go back to something close to that.
67:04So a little bit of hope enough to just keep him out of the coping corner for another week or two.
67:10Let's get Caleb back and see where this offense goes.
67:13Yeah, I'm just not going to put any of these guys in the coping corner or anything like that until we get
67:19some more games and more data with Caleb Williams, even in week one.
67:23Just a weird game overall. I will note the one thing that's just tough about this Bears offense right now.
67:28They are only like Roma Dunes is the only guy that is getting downfield targets and making downfield catches.
67:34He has a 13.7 average depth of target on his receptions.
67:37Luther Burden, 6.7. Khalif Raymond, 5.04. Colson Loveland, 4.4.
67:39They're not getting anything in terms of downfield productivity from these guys.
67:42Burden has not taken a step in that regard.
67:45Loveland is not taking a step in that regard.
67:48I think Caleb coming back fixes that. But the question is just like to how much?
67:52Because I mean, it's like, again, everybody's got a couple of drops here, like 50% contested catch rate for Burden, 50% for Loveland.
67:58Dunes actually has the highest contested catch rate, 75%.
68:01So it's just like, you know, we just got to see what this offense looks like from the Caleb Williams standpoint.
68:07Because like spoiler alert, folks, Tyson Bajan's not getting these guys to ball downfield.
68:11Neither is Case Keenum. Yeah, throw out these stats, Harmon.
68:14Like even rattling off stats from the first five weeks on this team.
68:17I think it's kind of pointless. I don't even want to do it.
68:21I want to see Caleb back out there and then we'll compare what happened in week one.
68:26We'll add in some new starts with Caleb and we'll see what those stats look like and then use that moving forward.
68:32I think that's right. Okay, next one here. Ashton Gentry, Blue 40 says, I thought I got a steal with Gentty in the fourth round.
68:39Now every week he's stealing my joy. I'm biting my nails over weekly injury reports, stressing over his efficiency, worried about him
68:45not finishing each game and clinging to Mike Washington Jr.
68:48on my bench like a life raft. I'm at total panic with Gentty just because like I want him to sit down for a few weeks.
68:55And the next guy we're going to talk about too, Jeremiah Love, who I'm actually more worried about from a fantasy standpoint.
69:01But I just wish these guys had, you know, they suffered the ankle injuries in the preseason.
69:06They came back for week one. Great. Now it just feels like it's going to be a thing all season long until
69:12we get these guys to just miss a couple of weeks.
69:15I mean, Gentty now is dealing with stuff beyond the ankle.
69:18Is that like compensation? I agree. Like I hate that we're having this conversation and they unfortunately do not have a bye until week 13.
69:25So it's not like Gentty is going to get a beat here anytime soon.
69:29It's not that Gentty has been a bad fantasy running back by any means.
69:33Yeah. I mean, he's still running back 11 in points per game.
69:36So he's been good, but it doesn't feel like it's trending in the right way.
69:41So again, I feel like I feel bad. I just wish he could take two weeks off Ashton.
69:46Come back and be great. I think that could really help here.
69:49But what's your level of panic on Gentty? Yeah, I'm total panic.
69:52And sometimes you worry that like with high ankle sprains is two weeks even enough.
69:57Like there have been running backs who've suffered ankle sprains and then it affects their efficiency like the rest of the season.
70:03Right. Like it's a very big problem. The other thing too with him, like we've seen his volume go down week after week here.
70:0929 touches in week one, 25 a week to 22, 21, 13 this week because it was a blowout.
70:15And I think they just decided there was no point in putting them out there.
70:19One like maybe little silver lining here. If he's healthy enough is he gets to go against my bills next week and
70:25the bills are going to be coming off a short week after the Monday nighter.
70:29They've been a pretty friendly matchup for opposing running back.
70:32So if he's healthy enough, let's see if he can take advantage in that one.
70:36And if he does, then we'll probably be okay.
70:39The ceiling outcomes might not be within reach unless he does actually like sit down for a little bit here.
70:44And unless he's forced to, it doesn't seem like he's going to.
70:48So if he goes out against the bills next week, if he can't take advantage of that good matchup, then I think we're inching towards coping corner.
70:55But right now it's total panic for me. The thing that I couldn't figure out, Harmon, is why did Mike Washington not get much work in this game?
71:03Why was Dylan Lobby? I know a lot of it came late when it was a blowout and they gave him a bunch of touches.
71:10But Mike Washington was not really used much in the first half, didn't get a lot of work in this game.
71:16That seems strange. I'm still recommending everybody should be holding him in case a gente injury happens.
71:21But I couldn't figure out why he wasn't used to get more touches in the first half.
71:26Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know. I don't really know why they're not using.
71:30I mean, this is running back opportunities. We're showing on the screen here.
71:3416 for Gentry, 7 for Dylan Lobby, 2 for Mike Washington.
71:37I don't know why Washington's not getting more work to just give Gentry like a breather, you know, lessen his load for a little bit.
71:44I do kind of think it makes sense when they fall totally behind.
71:47Like Mike Washington's not a passing down back and Dylan Lobby is kind of a passing down back.
71:52So I think the game script is a part of it here.
71:56So Washington is a guy that maybe we were hoping could have some standalone what the heck flex type value.
72:01I don't really think that's possible. He's just a really good bench hold if Gentry was to ever miss time, which again,
72:08I thought this week they might give him a week off.
72:11Like, can we show the quote that we had earlier from Clint Kubiak and Ashton Gentry both talking about his injuries?
72:17Because I think this really tells the whole story here with Ashton Gentry.
72:20Shout out producers. That was great work. Clint Kubiak on whether Ashton Gentry was hampered by injury.
72:25Yes, Ashton is beat up and it's a testament to how tough he is that he's out there playing today for his teammates.
72:31Gentry follows it up by saying, unless I can't run, jump, I'm playing.
72:35And I think this is just one of those things here where this is the way they feel about it.
72:41Do I think it's maybe smarter? It's week six of a season where the Raiders are good.
72:45They're punching above their weight, but we can maybe take the long view with this player.
72:50I think it probably would be smart, but right now this is a competitive team and they think that having Ashton Gentry
72:56out there gives him a chance to win and the player is always going to want to play.
73:01And so it's just kind of it is what it is from a fantasy standpoint, Boone.
73:05I thought it was quite low on him last week.
73:08I had him at RB 16 and even that really wasn't low enough, right?
73:12So good matchup with the Bills. I got to get need even the rankings and figure out here where I want to have him next week.
73:19But it seems like he's got to be more in that maybe high end RB two range at best.
73:25I don't think we have that RB one outlook for him at the moment, just based on the way he's playing.
73:31And the fact that at any given moment here, he might not be able to run or jump or any of it if his injuries get worse.
73:38All right. So we're going to stay on the same theme here with Jeremiah.
73:42Love. I mentioned this earlier. Jesse Freeman said, Jeremiah.
73:45Love. I thought he was supposed to break out, not break down.
73:48I'm going to make the case that Jeremiah Love should go in the coping corner here.
73:53I think this is so stupid of me to do this.
73:56Like he's a really talented player. They took him third overall the whole deal.
74:00This could easily come back to bite me in the butt.
74:03But he's running back 25 in points per game.
74:05He had the quote where he said this is going to be the longest year of his life.
74:10I think that is just basically him fighting through injuries.
74:13That's my that's the way I read that is it like he trained for the combine.
74:17That's a push on your body. Now he's got to come in here.
74:21He has this injury in the preseason. You know, the whole deal with all of that.
74:26I just don't know that he's going to be ever be 100%.
74:29And this is a team that has kind of sort of taken the long view with Jeremiah Love.
74:34So to me, I feel like he is a guy that next year is going to be a great year for him.
74:40But this year, man, I just ultimately think it's a bad team.
74:43He got kind of scripted out is my guess in this last game.
74:47And he's not 100% healthy. I don't know that we're going to get like an every week starter out of Jeremiah Love.
74:53Do you think I'm freaking out a little bit too much?
74:56I think he's a candidate for the coping corner.
74:59No, I'm coping corner right there with you. A couple other reasons why on top of like the usage dropping for, I
75:05think it's been three straight weeks now after he had that one good game and he flashed and it looked like, all right, he's coming on.
75:12He's going to take over this backfield. A couple other reasons are you mentioned with Gentry, his bye week is week 13.
75:18Maybe he'll get some rest then for Love. It's week 14.
75:22So he's not getting any rest coming up here unless they sit him down.
75:25And then we keep talking about the schedule for this Cardinals offense, right?
75:29Next up is going to be the Rams in week six, Broncos in week seven, Seahawks in week nine, Rams again in week 10, Chiefs in week 11.
75:37Like that schedule is doing him no favors. So I'm very concerned.
75:40Yeah, I think he should be in the coping corner at this point.
75:44All right. Next running back here, Cam Scadaboo, the OG KTG said, I'd be panicking very hard about Cam Scadaboo, especially in Dynasty.
75:50I don't know who the Giants RB1 is in 2027, but he's not on the roster right now.
75:55Now, this past week, Cam Scadaboo is running by 24 in points per game this year, not getting the passing work that
76:02we thought or certainly that he I didn't. I didn't think he was going to be like great of a pick this
76:08year anyways, but he has 12 targets through the first five weeks.
76:11Najee Harris started mixing in last week. Like, you know, these other back, these other backs are getting involved here, which maybe you think is a bad idea.
76:19I don't know. I think Cam Scadaboo is a guy that should be in the coping corner.
76:24Like he's not going to be what we thought he was going to be this year from a fantasy standpoint because he doesn't have the passing game role.
76:32They're kind of mixing in these other backs. And I mean, this offense with Jameis, Jameis is not checking down to the
76:38running backs over and over again like we saw last week, and he doesn't have access to the goal line.
76:43Like, tell me why Cam Scadaboo should not be put in the coping corner.
76:47Yeah, I mean, for me, it was total panic, but he is also somebody that I drafted a little bit of, and I was pushing for him.
76:55I had a bold prediction before the season that I thought he could be a top 15 fantasy back this year.
77:01It does not look like that's going to happen.
77:03And yeah, it's not just Najee Harris getting involved.
77:06We even saw Tyron Tracy Jr. get involved this week.
77:08Najee had six touches. Tyron Tracy Jr. had six touches.
77:11They're eating into that potential upside. One of the cases for Scadaboo was that he was going to have a ton of volume this year.
77:18And I know things changed a little bit when Jackson Dart went down for the season, but man, I'll allow it.
77:24Like, I can't really make a strong case to keep him out of the coping corner.
77:29He is not going to provide the upside that we thought.
77:32Maybe he could still be that low end RB two for you, but he's dangerously falling into that high end RB three
77:38range with a bunch of players that we don't love, like the JK Dobbins of the world.
77:43So yeah, if you want to go coping corner, I can't really make a case against it.
77:47Yeah. I mean, look, just because these guys in the coping corner doesn't mean you need to drop them or, you know, you can't ever start.
77:55It's still sad, Harmon. And it's still sad to see it happen to a guy that we like.
78:00We placed J we put Jalen Waddle in the coping corner along with his entire offense.
78:04After I said, this guy might be the most mispriced player in fantasy football.
78:08Yeah, I was right. He should have not been drafted nearly as high as he was.
78:13So trust me. I get it. I'm not enjoying this exercise either, but we are six.
78:17We are five weeks into the season. Now we do have to start making some tough calls.
78:22I do want to say the one thing in this message in here, this email that the Giants RB1 is not on this team.
78:29I totally agree with that. And I have a friend who has this really intricate keeper league and he's talked about Scadaboo a whole bunch.
78:36And I keep saying that same thing where it's just like, I don't know that long term he has that much of a fantasy future.
78:43I don't know that he's forever going to be that guy.
78:46But I thought this year, based on the players they had in that backfield, that he could get a ton of volume
78:52and it's not really working out like we hoped.
78:54And I always will come back to this. There were all these rumors in the offseason that they wanted Jeremiah Love.
79:00They wanted Kenneth Walker. I think it's just never been like totally settled on Scadaboo.
79:04And he talked about it that after there are 11 guys on the team who are screaming at you, telling you you messed up.
79:11It's your fault. You sold the game. It sucks for the late fumble that he had there.
79:16Maybe that doesn't buy it. Like maybe they try Najee Harris even more next week.
79:20Again, it's not something I would do, but it is what's going on in New York right now.
79:25Okay. Another player to talk about here, Michael Wilson.
79:28Alex L said, crazy take subject is what he sent in with the email.
79:32And I like this. If Michael Wilson stays as the X in the offense with Brissette, I'm panicking that he will go
79:38down to wide receiver three territory after being a high end wide receiver two.
79:42FF bars said Michael Wilson. He was supposed to enter elite territory.
79:45I'm worried that the Paris Johnson injury might have just cooked that offense in a Chargers S kind of way though.
79:51Okay. I'm going to say a couple of things about this, then I'm going to toss it to you.
79:56I have no panic on Michael Wilson. Number one.
79:59Number two. I am worried about the Paris Johnson injury.
80:01That's a good point. What's not a good point is he was supposed to enter elite territory.
80:06No, he's not. Nobody ever said that. Anybody with a brain did not think Michael Wilson was about to be elite receiver in fantasy football.
80:13But, you know, I still think he will be a wide receiver two.
80:17Like, I mean, when we talk about this on fantasy football live, I said like top 20 receiver rest of season for Michael Wilson.
80:24So I don't think he's going to go down to wide receiver three territory to the original email that said because he's
80:30going to stay as the X receiver. He was the X receiver in the offense last year with Jacoby reset.
80:35Like we know he can play X. That's actually where he thrived.
80:39I'm not worried about the X receiver stuff for Michael Wilson.
80:42I actually think that's kind of his best position.
80:44So definitely totally get it. This is like the Josh Downs thing from last week when he's in a really good matchup.
80:50Everybody expects him to do well and he doesn't come through.
80:54It feels extra frustrating. I certainly thought he was going to have a big day against the Lions.
80:59He did not was wrong about that, but his rest of season outlook, I don't think changes too much because of this one down week.
81:06Do you think I'm over or under thinking it?
81:08No, I mean, he had good games the two weeks before that seven catches for 95 and then 11 for 89 and one.
81:15He's tied with CD lamb, six most targets on average this season, 10.2.
81:18So no, we're not worried about him. He is going to be fine.
81:22Yeah. Anyone who thought that he was going to be elite, I think was fooling themselves, but I think there's a chance he could still flirt.
81:29Like you're saying top 20. I think we could potentially see him be like a top 15 guy.
81:34The rest of the way, it's just one down game.
81:37And you always mentioned this. Even the best receivers out there have down games.
81:41It's the nature of the position. So yeah, it was a great spot.
81:44He didn't come through, but he's going to be fine.
81:47No panic. Yeah. I'm not too worried about that.
81:50Okay. Last one. We'll talk about here. Josh downs, Jay Fowler underscore 13.
81:53Josh downs catches by weeks have been two, seven, five, three, three, and they have nobody else.
81:58But Tyler Warren, where the scheme to up touches, there's not going to be any scheme to up touches for Josh downs
82:04because number one, he's a smaller player. They're not going to let him get banged around like that.
82:09He's also their best downfield receiver at this point.
82:12I think he had a 16 average depth of target and 16 yard average depth of targeting this last game.
82:17They need him to hit these big plays. I still have some, I mean, there's gotta be some panic about Josh downs because the Colts offense sucks.
82:25And if you're a receiver that's playing in a bad offense, that's never good.
82:29That being said, I do think when you're looking at the Colts offense, when they go against some of these teams and,
82:35you know, we typically think about this, like, oh, secondaries and all that.
82:39I think with the Colts, with the way Daniel Jones is playing right now, these teams like Washington who blitz a lot
82:45and can mucky like muck things up up front.
82:47And that's a problem. Pittsburgh, same thing. Vikings in week seven, but there are still games for the Colts.
82:53Like, I think there'll be fine against the Titans in week six.
82:56I think there'll be fine against the Cowboys in week nine who are, what did I see?
83:01The producer sent me that Mike Patton is on the defensive staff.
83:04Now let's, let me just go ahead and say right now, that's not going to fix the Cowboys defense week nine for Dallas week 10 Miami.
83:12Like there, I think are still going to be some spots for Josh downs and this team.
83:16But again, some panic, if you think he's going to emerge in every week star, that is not going to happen here.
83:22I think it has to be total panic in terms of the way you're framing it there, right?
83:27Of him being like an every week starter. Cause from what we've seen, like he had those two games where he was over 70 yards.
83:34We talked about them on one of the shows and we just sort of said, like, you have to like readjust expectations.
83:41Any hope that he was moving into like that wide receiver to territory that went away, the 70 yard type games.
83:47That's more of like his ceiling. And can he do better than that?
83:50Yes. But that's kind of more his wheelhouse. And then the last two weeks, it's obviously been less than that.
83:56I think it puts him down more in like wide receiver three flex kind of territory.
84:00And to be honest, Harmon, we're going to get to the waiver wire soon here.
84:04You can pretty much find those kinds of guys every single week on the waiver wire.
84:09So the hope that Downs was going to become more than that, have like a breakout season.
84:14To me, that's all but evaporated. So it makes me have total panic in terms of what the rest of his season
84:20could look like, that he is going to just be this guy that as you laid out there is going to once
84:26in a while and good matchups maybe go off.
84:29But that's not going to feel great for you trying to figure out whether you should play him or not.
84:34And really, you could go to the waiver wire and probably find something comparable.
84:38So yeah, for me, it would be total panic.
84:41I think you're right about that. You've convinced me again.
84:43I will go total panic on Josh Downs. Just not going to happen this year the way we thought because, again, the offense is bad.
84:50And that's all there is to it. Maybe it'll get better if like Alec Pierce can come back late in the year.
84:56Maybe it'll get better if Daniel Jones gets healthier coming back from the Achilles.
85:00But right now, I don't see a lot of optimism here.
85:03And they're another team with a late bye to week 13 bye.
85:07It feels like every team that could use an early bye, like the Panthers and Chiefs were absolutely rolling with.
85:12I mean, obviously, Jalen Coker was missing a game for them.
85:16Rasheed Rice missing, maybe missing some time. He got hurt before the bye.
85:19But like for the most part, did those teams need to take a week off?
85:23They were kind of rolling. And they're the ones that got the week five bye.
85:28I think the Raiders and the Cardinals and maybe the Colts could have used an early bye week.
85:33Just real quick, do you have any concerns about Jonathan Taylor with the way this Colts offense is trending right now?
85:38And he's coming off like a slightly down week where maybe I'm only asking because I have him in my in my death league.
85:45And I was very nervous that I was going to get chopped because Jonathan Taylor had a slightly down week this week.
85:51Any concern about that? No, no serious concerns. Is he going to ever compete with the truly elite guys at running back?
85:58No, of course not. But is he still a very solid like top five, top six running back?
86:03He's going to be fine as long as this offense doesn't go off the rails, as long as Daniel Jones doesn't get hurt again.
86:09And I'm with you that like Alec Pierce, if he comes back and if he can give them something this year that could help all of these guys.
86:17Like, I think that could clear up some things for downs and make him more interesting and obviously would help the offense
86:23as a whole and make Jonathan Taylor a little more interesting as well.
86:27Yeah, look, I respect the hell out of Laquan Treadwell for, you know, hanging around and making a great career for himself.
86:33Yeah, I really don't need like a bunch of vertical targets to Laquan Treadwell at this point in my life.
86:39And that's where the Colts are at. Okay, this is the state of the coping corner coming out of week five.
86:45We have two entire offenses in the coping corner.
86:47Chargers, Broncos. Broncos maybe could get better. Chargers, it's not going to get better.
86:51We have a bunch of running backs in here.
86:53Jeremiah Love joins David Montgomery, Travis A-Chan, Cam Scadaboo.
86:56Also in the coping corner. Remember, J.K. Dobbins is in here already.
86:59His entire team has joined him. And then wide receiver wise, we have Brian Thomas Jr.
87:04and Mecca Ibuka. I think we made some good tough choices to put players in the coping corner who could maybe come back and bite us, Boone.
87:11But we'll see what happens. Yeah, and some guys that we like, too.
87:15That's what really hurts about this. But it's fine.
87:18It's going to be okay, Harmon. You were there to console me when we put Scadaboo in.
87:22And you were there to push me over the ledge when I was like, we should just put Jalen Waddell in the Broncos offense in the coping corner.
87:30Honestly, with the way Bo Nix is playing right now, it was cathartic.
87:34It was cathartic to put that entire Denver Broncos offense in the coping corner.
87:38All right. We're going to take a quick break.
87:40We come back. We get into the waiver wire target.
87:43Some positivity guys trending up. We'll get into that right after this.
87:46All right. Welcome to waiver wire targets presented by Duke Cannon, the soap that is virtually bench proof.
87:51Each week, we provide the top 10 list of Justin Boone's waiver wire targets and also some players that you should consider dropping.
87:58Boone, you teased this one earlier. Number 10 on the list.
88:01Broncos running back Jonah Coleman. Yeah, I want to talk about a bunch of players here.
88:05I'm going to cheat a little bit. Normally do a top 10.
88:09We're going to rope Coleman in with some other guys.
88:12These are all guys who are on IR right now.
88:14You could go pick them up. You throw them in your IR spot.
88:18It's not even costing you anything. Make sure you're using your IR spots.
88:22I see leagues all the time where I have mindful and there's guys on IR that I think should be picked up
88:28and no one's going out and getting them. There are extra roster spots for you to use.
88:33So make sure they are filled unless there's absolutely nobody of value.
88:36But some of these guys are out there. They have value.
88:39You look at Jonah Coleman as one of them.
88:42Jordan Tyson. I know he's rostered in about 49% of leagues right now, but he's going to come back at some point,
88:48probably the second half of the season here for the Saints.
88:51Very promising rookie. So make sure that he's rostered in your league.
88:54James Conner. He's 6% rostered. So he's available almost everywhere.
88:57Who knows what's going to happen here, Harmon, right?
88:59Like maybe he gets traded somewhere. Maybe Jeremiah love the injury stack up and he ends up missing time.
89:05And all of a sudden James Conner has some value.
89:08I'm holding James Conner in the expert league in a waiver spot, kind of hoping for that potential trade.
89:13So, yeah, let's put him in your IR and let's get him off waivers.
89:17So look at those guys. And then another guy, Jacoby Lane.
89:20The team's talking about maybe him being available and coming back this week.
89:24Ravens, promising rookie. Guy that was getting good usage before he got hurt in week one.
89:28Somebody else that you have to pick up. For Coleman, I said my piece on him earlier.
89:33He's eligible to come off IR in week seven.
89:35He's still out there in 70% of leagues. You can get him.
89:39And I think in the second half of the season, we could see him get another opportunity.
89:43Remember when the injuries popped up before he got hurt?
89:46He looked all right with his touches, right? He found the end zone in that game.
89:51So let's see if he gets an opportunity. I think all those guys, Harmon, though, my main point here is they should
89:57be rostered in way more leagues than they currently are.
90:00Yeah, I think that makes total sense. Like 49% roster for Jordan Tyson.
90:03He should be on IR spots at the very least for sure.
90:07I mean, these guys can certainly come back and help you.
90:10So, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
90:13Jonah Coleman, man, just, you know, he could really be something that helps this Broncos offense.
90:17I don't think he'd be a full-on savior, but maybe Bo Nix can play a little bit steadier if there's a run game that's actually on schedule.
90:25That has certainly not happened in Denver so far.
90:27Okay, number nine on the list, quarterback position, Kirk Cousins of the Raiders.
90:31It's always tough to, like, figure out where to put the quarterbacks because it's a little more specific.
90:36It's like, do you need a quarterback? Is your quarterback on by?
90:39So the way these guys, again, some of the other players in the top 10 is difficult.
90:44Well, I normally don't even want to put them in here, but this might tell you kind of how bad the waiver
90:50wire is this week that I'm talking about IR players.
90:53And we have two quarterbacks on this list, not one and not zero.
90:56But for Cousins. Yeah, there's like one good pickup.
90:59Spoiler alert, folks. There's like maybe one or two on this list of top 10 players.
91:03Yeah, maybe one, maybe two. We could make an argument for.
91:07But yeah, let's not ruin it here, Harmon, right?
91:09We got some interesting guys that we could talk about.
91:12And for Cousins, he is coming off his worst game of the season and he went up against the Patriots defense.
91:18It wasn't nearly as good as it was before that.
91:21But prior to that, like he was playing all right.
91:23Top 10 fantasy quarterback on the season through for multiple touchdowns in all four of his first games for the first four games for the Raiders.
91:31The game against the Bills next week. I teased it a bit.
91:34We were talking about Ashton Gentry. This game, very high scoring potentially, right?
91:38Tied for the highest projected point total on the slate.
91:4052.5. That Bills defense, not a very strong one.
91:43So it's only a matter of time before Fernando Mendoza shows up here and takes over.
91:47We saw him get out there in the blowout this week, which I think was another reason probably why Dylan Lobby was
91:54playing late in the game to try to protect Mendoza a little bit in that one.
91:58But Mendoza, I imagine will play in the second half of the season at some point.
92:03Right now, though, this is Kirk Cousins offense, and he was a pretty good fantasy starter for the first four weeks.
92:08I think last week was more of a blip on the radar, and he's going to get back after it against the Bills.
92:15And you really hate that Bills defense, huh? Yeah, man.
92:18Yeah, they got a lot of work to do here.
92:20They really do. And I don't really think maybe this is my maybe this is my reverse jinx thing that I had
92:27last year with tight ends before the Monday nighter.
92:29Right. The Bills are playing Monday night against the Rams.
92:32Maybe that defense will look fantastic in that game now, and then I'll be eating my words.
92:37That was not really a reverse jinx. That was just like a straight up jinx last year with the tight ends.
92:43So we'll see what happens on that. But yeah, no, I mean, they don't have a matchup advantage when it comes to
92:49Brock Bowers or, you know, the way they move him around the passing game.
92:53Do the Buffalo Bills for this week? Not for this week six matchup.
92:56So, yeah, I like her cousins as a quarterback streamer here.
92:59OK, number eight. Raheem Sanders of the Cleveland Browns.
93:02Sell this one to me, Boone. Well, this is sort of just a placeholder to talk about the Browns backfield because Quinshawn
93:08Judkins, he gets banged up in this game. After the game, he's in a boot on his right foot.
93:13Now, remember, that's the same side that he had the season ending ankle injury last year.
93:18So you start to get worried about that. Todd Monkens calling him day to day.
93:22I don't know how confident I feel. We'll see what his practice participation is this week and whether he can play or not.
93:28The funny thing about this is that Raheem Sanders also got hurt in this game.
93:33He injured his hip. So we'll have to find out if he's healthy enough to play this week because the normal number
93:39two back already got hurt earlier this season. That's Dylan Sampson.
93:42And I thought when Dylan Sampson got hurt initially, it was a knee injury that they had talked about.
93:47Like, it's going to be a couple months for him.
93:50But Todd Monkens today saying that there's a chance that they could open his practice window this week.
93:55I still think we're probably a couple weeks away from that happening.
93:58But this all just boils down to we're going to have to pay attention to this backfield.
94:03We're going to have to see what the injuries look like and what the updates throughout the week look like here.
94:09With Sampson out, Raheem Sanders has got an opportunity.
94:12I think he's looked all right in some of his touches that he's gotten.
94:15It's very limited opportunity, but still. So if Judkins can't play in this game, if Sanders is healthy and if Sampson is
94:22not activated this week, there's many things we have to consider here, Harmon.
94:25If all those things come down, then we have Sanders as a potential RB3 that you could play for fantasy.
94:31If Judkins and Sanders can't suit up and if Sampson is still not back, then we're really getting desperate.
94:36Now you're into like Jaleel McLaughlin. Jaleel McLaughlin, baby.
94:39Jare Patterson's on their practice squad. Like it's going to look kind of ugly at that point.
94:43I don't know if you're really going to want to get mixed up in that.
94:48But if we did get a Sanders start, Rocket Sanders could be kind of interesting.
94:52Yeah, I'm open to it. Baltimore's pass defense and rush defense from a coverage standpoint, their pass defense is good.
94:57They have had real issues putting pressure on the quarterback so far, especially on Sunday night against the Atlanta Falcons.
95:03They had issues early on with that one. So this could be a decent Deshaun game.
95:08But I would guess Casey Concepcion probably misses this game after a brutal hit as well.
95:12So that might even push more of kind of the layupy touches to the backfield here if they have to go down that route.
95:19Okay, number seven, Kamani Vidal, one of the heads of the three-headed despicable monster there in the Chargers backfield.
95:24Yeah, you'd never know who it's going to be.
95:27And again, we said the waiver wear this week, not a ton of players that were super excited about.
95:32But we have to talk about Kamani Vidal because this is legitimate now.
95:36Last week, this turned into a total three-man committee.
95:38Snaps were split almost evenly. Unfortunately, this week, it happened again.
95:41That was not a blip on the radar last week.
95:44This is real. This is how they're going to approach this.
95:47It's a hot hand committee. And Kamani Vidal was the one that actually got the most snaps in this game.
95:53He was the one that had the most success, 57 yards and a touchdown, only eight carries here.
95:58So again, this isn't a guy running away with this backfield.
96:01But his snaps have increased, at least for him.
96:03Things are headed in the right direction, 7%, 10%, 25, 35, 42.
96:07So his role is growing. It's not happening for Omerian Hampton.
96:10He has been reduced. He's still getting a decent amount of touches.
96:13But his role is reduced to just being in this three-headed committee here.
96:17You don't feel great about starting any of these Chargers backs.
96:20But Kamani Vidal has gone from someone that was just a pure backup stash option to a guy that you could put out there as an RB3 flex.
96:28The Chargers offense, I know they're in the coping corner, so we don't talk about them.
96:32But it is crazy how down bad it's gotten for this team.
96:35They're truly running out a preseason offensive line. Cole Strange, the guy that was on paper the worst starter of the five, he's the only one that's healthy.
96:43That's where the offensive line is at. So there's that.
96:46And then, I mean, we were both excited about, like, oh, let's see what Trey Harris can do.
96:51Injured right away. I mean, not right away, but injured pretty early on in that game.
96:56They're throwing to, like, MVS and Darius Davis, just complete preseason wide receivers.
96:59And then it's Kamani Vidal, who's supposed to be their kind of, like, pass down back, ripping off an explosive run.
97:05And Justin Herbert is still so bad you can't even really defend him because he makes, like, an indefensible mistake multiple times late in the game.
97:12It's shocking how bad it's gotten for the Chargers that we're talking about Kamani Vidal on the waiver wire.
97:18The antidote here is a trip to face the Chiefs on the road with the Chiefs coming off a bye.
97:23So maybe I should have told people to go out and actually pick up the Chiefs defense with this spot.
97:29Maybe that should have been number seven on the list.
97:32I think they're over the 50% rostered mark. But, yeah, the Chiefs defense is definitely going to be the top defense next week.
97:38If you're watching us on YouTube, you're obviously seeing this.
97:41If you're listening to us on audio, the producers have shown the three-headed dragon meme with Kamani Vidal and Keaton Mitchell as the two fierce dragons.
97:48Then Amarian Hampton is the goofy one. I'm not even sure if Keaton Mitchell and Kamani Vidal have done enough to be
97:54the fierce dragons, but we'll see how it goes.
97:57All right. Sixth player off the waiver wire, Pat Fryermuth, tight end, Pittsburgh Steelers.
98:01So we have two tight ends back-to-back here. One is getting a ton of volume, a ton of targets.
98:06One's kind of getting it done with touchdowns. And both are really making a case to be in the low-end tight end one conversation.
98:13This one's, yeah, Pat Fryermuth. We have all the injuries in the receiving core for the Steelers right now.
98:18So they need guys to catch the ball. We're going to talk about a receiver on their team at some point a
98:24little later here in the waiver wire segment. But Pat Fryermuth is getting it done.
98:29A ton of touchdowns this year, four touchdowns already.
98:31The opportunity is there. Aaron Rodgers clearly looking for him.
98:34So you look at him with a matchup against the Bucs, which is a nice matchup last week.
98:39You could definitely start him with bye weeks really hitting.
98:42We got four teams on bye. He's a guy that you could consider getting into your lineup.
98:46Yeah. Aaron Rodgers has talked him up. He likes him a little bit.
98:50Aaron Rodgers had some great things to say about one of the players we'll talk about later.
98:55And Jalen Warren, which was really encouraging here. Like we need Jalen Warren so firmly in the Aaron Rodgers trust zone because he's been so awesome.
99:02We do not need to see, you know, look, Rico Dowdle, nice complimentary back.
99:06We need to see more Jalen Warren. But we've seen a lot of Pat Fryermuth as a mismatch weapon, essentially kind of
99:12a slot based player for them when they get in these heavy personnel looks.
99:16And I mean, it just was bizarre that Fryermuth completely disappeared from the offense last year.
99:21So I actually think this has been a welcome sign so far.
99:24Yeah, that's great. And then we could move to the next tight end on the list here, too, which is Brent and Strange on the Jags.
99:31Another guy making a pretty strong case here. Eight, at least eight targets in each of the last two games.
99:37That's resulted in top 12 fantasy finishes, you know, seven for 95 in one of them, seven for 68 in the other.
99:43You know, there's obviously a lot of like non elite fantasy tight ends that are kind of vying for spots in the back end of the top 12.
99:51And like I said, I trust the guys more who aren't just like the touchdown merchants.
99:55I would rather have the guy who's getting that kind of volume, that kind of opportunity to come through, especially when it's
100:01in a really good offense, one of the best offenses in the league.
100:05So Brent and Strange, to me, is a guy that could absolutely be picked up.
100:09And let's hope that this kind of volume continues for him.
100:12And Strange was this close to like a big, big game last week.
100:16He got in on Sunday morning. He got tackled on the one yard line a couple of times watching that one.
100:22It was pretty clear. Like he's he might be their second most important pass catcher.
100:26You know, it's Parker Washington. Clearly, number one. He's a stud.
100:29But it's not Brian Thomas Jr. Obviously, Dakota Myers has his role.
100:33Josh Cameron has his role. And then it's Brent and Strange who they gave a contract extension to.
100:38They really, really like him. I'm I'm a big fan of what I've seen from Strange so far.
100:43I kind of think he is a he's trending towards every week.
100:46Just tight end one to me right now. Yeah, absolutely.
100:49If you drafted guys like Colson Loveland and you're worried about it right now, I think Brent and Strange is somebody that
100:55at least is getting the kind of volume that we thought Colson Loveland was going to get.
101:00So he could be somebody you consider starting in your lineup over those kind of players.
101:04All right. Number four on the list. We're back into quarterback streamers.
101:08We're back into the scam zone here. Jameis Winston, New York Giants quarterback.
101:11Don't watch the games. Just look at the stats, Boone.
101:14Yeah, it doesn't necessarily look good, but it's hard to argue with the results here.
101:18Harmon, at least 250 passing yards and three touchdowns in each of the last two games.
101:23It's the Jameis experience, right? It's a wild. It's chaotic.
101:25It's scary at times. If you have him rostered and you're starting him in fantasy and yet he gets the Saints next week.
101:32It's going to be an uptempo matchup. We know how the Saints play.
101:36There should be opportunity here for another solid stat line.
101:38And this is more of a one week kind of start, right?
101:42I like to always highlight this. This isn't necessarily a guy that you're picking up and expecting he's going to be your long term option.
101:49But if you have bi-week issues, injury issues, Jameis in this one, you could get him into your lineup and then you
101:55just hope and pray that it's one of those weeks where the hat line looks good at the end of the day.
102:01Stop laughing. It's hard not to. We're talking about Jameis Winston as the fourth best pickup right now and going into week six.
102:07It's not great. It's not great. You're making a sale job here and you're laughing the whole way through it.
102:139.2 air yards per attempt for Jameis Winston in this past week's game.
102:17EPA per drop back. Yeah, it's solid. It was solid for Jameis.
102:20He put up some stuff. Okay. It could have been worse.
102:23Yards per completion, 9.9 Jameis Winston. He's pushing the ball.
102:26He's pushing the ball at this point to Malik Nabors who had, what, 20 targets in last week's game.
102:31Isaiah Likely. You know, so yeah, Jameis Winston gets to be the guy for now to throw to Malik Nabors.
102:37By the way, did you see your boy JJ McCarthy getting some like design rushing packages?
102:41Did you see that? Talk about. Yeah. Talk about a laugh.
102:44Okay. Like Giants coaching staff. Take those plays and just rip them up.
102:48Throw them in the trash. I don't need to see that ever again on my screen.
102:53Well, Jameis has been a top 12 fantasy quarterback each of the last two weeks.
102:57Let's hope we can keep this going because yeah, I don't want to see JJ McCarthy out there, whether it's in a part-time role, full-time role, anything.
103:04Let's keep the Jameis experience going. I'd rather see him start a game than in that rushing package weirdo stuff.
103:10And I don't want to see him start a game.
103:13Let's put it that way. Okay. Kendrick Bourne, your third pickup here of the week.
103:17Talk to us about Kendrick Bourne. Get a little bump here without Marvin Harrison.
103:21Yeah. I think that the real bump probably came for Jalen Brooks.
103:24He was the one who kind of saw his role change the most with Harrison, not out there.
103:29Cause Kendrick Bourne kind of already was ahead of Harrison in most of these games in terms of the amount of targets he was getting in stuff.
103:37But you like him again, when we talk about trying to go to the waiver wire and find like a, you know,
103:43a flex option, potentially a guy who could be a wide receiver three for you.
103:47I think that's where this comes in for Bourne.
103:50He's not going to be somebody that emerges as like a great starter every single week that you feel super confident having in your lineup.
103:57But, you know, he's doing all right here. I think he's been a pretty productive option so far.
104:02You know, catching five of his eight targets for 70 yards against the lions.
104:06And, you know, part of the reason maybe why we didn't see Michael Wilson come through with as big of a game as we expected in that one.
104:13But that's the second time this season that Bourne's reached those kinds of totals with 70 yards and with at least five catches.
104:20So some harder matchups are on the way here.
104:22I still think he's in that wide receiver four flex position based on the volume that he's going to get now with Harrison out of the way.
104:30Again, I just, I want to temper expectations. I don't want people to go out and spend a ton of their fob
104:36to get these guys, but certainly someone that can help during bye weeks can get into your lineup as even a wide
104:42receiver three out of desperation, but more likely a flex.
104:45Yeah, you could do worse. And, you know, Kendrick Bourne's a solid NFL player.
104:49I still think the offense is going to flow primarily through Trey McBride and Michael Wilson for sure.
104:54But Kendrick Bourne will have his moments. He knows the offense.
104:57We know the whole deal with Kendrick Bourne. Okay, number two player for this week, man, it's gotten so bad for the Eagles backfield.
105:04Damian Pierce, running back Philadelphia Eagles. Before I throw it to you here, Boone, Will Shipley has like a plantar fasciitis injury.
105:10So he got a little bump. He's out of the mix.
105:13I mean, the box score on the Eagles running backs is so depressing from this past week.
105:1840% of Will Shipley's runs went for zero or negative yards.
105:21Damian Pierce, 46% of his runs went for zero or negative yards.
105:24But Damian Pierce, with all that said, tell the people why they should pick up Damian Pierce.
105:29Well, we know how it works when it comes to running backs and fantasy, right?
105:33We're just chasing the volume. And right now with Barkley, with the hamstring, with Bigsby on IR, with Shipley now out as well.
105:40There's an opportunity potentially here. Now, Nick Sirianni said that he was hopeful today that potentially we're going to get Barkley and Devon Smith back.
105:47Again, coaches, players, they're often very hopeful. That doesn't always mean that we're actually going to see those players come that week's game.
105:53So we're going to have to monitor Barkley's status.
105:56Right now, you want to go out and get Pierce.
105:58He would be the next man up. It didn't look great in that game on Sunday for him.
106:03You have 14 rushing yards, 11 carries, negative two yards on two receptions.
106:07That's pretty brutal. But that was a matchup against the Jags, right?
106:10So his next opponent, the Panthers, they've given up at least 75 scrimmage yards to every starting running back that they face.
106:17So if that is Barkley, then we're going to feel pretty good about Saquon Barkley this week.
106:21Even though everything around him in that offense is crumbling, he'll have an opportunity to come through.
106:26If it's not Barkley, it's probably going to get Pearson.
106:29In that scenario, even with how bad things have been for the Eagles, based on the volume that he get, based on
106:35the matchup, I would look at him as a low-end RB2, potentially high-end RB3.
106:39All right. Well, we'll see. Maybe Jaden Blue can get in the mix.
106:43He's on the practice squad. Jaden Blue, maybe the Jaden Blue redemption arc starts now, Boone.
106:47How about that? Oh, no. I'm not very excited about that.
106:50And clearly, I'm not very excited about the waiver wire this week, except for this final guy, Harmon.
106:55Yes, yes. The number one player. Okay. Now this is going to get my juices flowing.
107:00I've been goofing around this whole waiver wire segment.
107:02Well, we're going to lock in for this last pickup, which is Jeremy Bernard, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver.
107:07Boone, tell us why he is number one on the list.
107:10Well, again, there's a bit of a theme with a lot of these players.
107:14A lot of them have been kind of injury-related.
107:17The Steelers receiving core is no different. Michael Pittman Jr.'s on IR.
107:20Roman Wilson now suffering a finger injury. He's going to be out for multiple weeks.
107:24So the opportunity has kind of opened up here for Jeremy Bernard.
107:28We know in this offense, it matters if Aaron Rodgers likes you.
107:31And it really seems like Aaron Rodgers does like him.
107:34There was a ton of stories, even going back to the offseason, about him and Rodgers, some quotes from Rodgers.
107:39He definitely has taken him under his wing. And Bernard seems up for the task.
107:44He wants to learn from Rodgers. And now when he's gotten his opportunities, he's producing it.
107:48We have the proof of concept here, right? Six catches, 80 yards in this game on nine targets in week five.
107:54Really like his potential here, right? He ran a season high 94% of the routes on Sunday.
107:59So to me, Harmon, this is a role that with all these other injuries around with DK Metcalf kind of being the
108:05only other receiver there, this really sets up nicely for him.
108:08Is he going to get that reception perception like stamp of approval?
108:11Oh, listen, the draft process. I kept calling him glue guy Jeremy Bernard, a pro ready, dirty work receiver who's just going
108:17to get the job done, knows the assignments. And so far, it sounds like Aaron Rodgers agrees that evaluation.
108:23The tweet we just had from Josh up there where it mentioned that Jim Nance said Aaron Rodgers, quote, likes Jeremy Bernard.
108:29He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
108:32This report from Nick Farborough covers the Steelers. This is the quote from him.
108:36Aaron Rodgers had an extensive quiz this week for Jeremy Bernard.
108:39Bernard said he asked about coverages in each situation.
108:42The Colts like to run by down a distance area of the field, their players and what their tendencies are by personnel
108:48groupings, how to run specific routes versus different coverages, hand signals and much more.
108:52It sounds like Bernard passed those tests from Rodgers with flying colors.
108:55QB coach Tom Art says it's not common for a rookie to earn that trust, but that trust has come a long way between Bernard and Rodgers.
109:03Quote, the quarterbacks came into one of our meetings this week and said they were just going on and on about how Germ knows the plan.
109:10They said he could call the plays just like a quarterback would.
109:13But this is the exact type of guy he was as a prospect, Boone.
109:17And yeah, Roman Wilson, he got hurt in this past week's game.
109:21But even as I was talking up like, oh, yeah, Roman Wilson could have a nice game here against the Colts.
109:27I even said this to you on Sunday morning.
109:29Jeremy Bernard is the Michael Pittman replacement. In the first quarter of this game, he played 13 snaps, nine routes, which both of those led the team.
109:37He's going to be this kind of big slot flanker receiver.
109:40I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Bernard ends up being the most productive Steelers receiver the rest of the season, like for whatever that's worth.
109:47Yeah. And when we talk about, you know, who is Aaron Rodgers happy with, who's in his doghouse, it certainly seemed like
109:53Michael Pittman was in that doghouse before the injury.
109:56So could this be something that lasts? So we talked about a bunch of guys where I'm mentioning waiver wire pickups that
110:02a lot of them you're just picking up for this week as a biweek fill in an injury replacement kind of thing.
110:08This is one where I could see this actually last and continue.
110:11And we could see him go on to continue being a starting fantasy receiver in your lineup.
110:16So going to bid a little bit more on this one.
110:19We're not breaking the bank, but I would definitely put a solid bid to get Bernard.
110:24Yeah, I really like Jeremy Bernard is again, not a not a guy that's ever going to come.
110:29I'm a superstar necessarily, but glue guy does. It could be he could end up being a Jacoby Myers type is what I would say about Jeremy Bernard.
110:37And that certainly sounds like a player that Aaron Rodgers is going to like sounds like Jeremy Bernard is a player that Aaron Rodgers does really like.
110:44Okay, real quick. Let's talk to the drop candidates here.
110:47If you want to get any of these superstars like Kamani Vidal or Raheem Sanders on your roster, these are the guys you can drop your quarterbacks.
110:55We've got Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold running backs, David Montgomery, Jadarian Price, Jonathan Brooks wide receivers.
111:00The aforementioned Michael Pittman Jr., Chris Godwin, Brian Thomas Jr., tight ends Jake Ferguson, Dalton Schultz.
111:04Boone, I don't know if there's anyone you want to specifically highlight here.
111:08I don't think there's anyone that anyone would disagree with you.
111:11I think BTJ is maybe still an interesting conversation just in case he gets traded.
111:15But otherwise, I think this is pretty straightforward here.
111:17Yeah, Bo Nix has been held under 15 fantasy points and four of his five games this season.
111:23Now he's going up against the Seahawks, so it doesn't look great there.
111:26Justin Herbert prays that he reaches 15 points in a fantasy game this year because he has been unable to do that
111:32in all five games so far, which is just mind-blowing that that offense is as bad as it is.
111:38But now he can at least blame it on those offensive line injuries and the receiver injuries and everything crumbling around him.
111:44David Montgomery, we know he's hurt now. Looks like he could miss some time, but even before that, he wasn't playing very well, right?
111:51His average is 32 scrimmage yards per game since that week one opener when he scored three touchdowns.
111:56And who did he score three touchdowns against Harmon?
111:58The Bills defense. They make everybody look good, so we're piling on them.
112:02And then Brian Thomas Jr., like we're not seeing it happen for him in Jacksonville.
112:06So, yes, if you are holding him, you are only holding him in hopes that he gets traded and gets an opportunity
112:12somewhere else because in Jacksonville, it's falling apart for him.
112:15I mean, one catch for eight yards, two for 17 and a touchdown to kind of save his day.
112:20And then this week, just all zeros. So limited playing time.
112:23Don't see it turning around in Jacksonville. He needs to go somewhere else and get a fresh start, kind of like Marvin Harrison Jr.
112:30It's just crazy how far it's fallen for Brian Thomas Jr., who, again, in this game only runs around on 59% of the dropbacks.
112:37I actually have been saying, like, maybe the Jags should probably just hang on to him because they're one of the best
112:43teams in the league and he presents some tactical value to them.
112:46I guess I'm not even really sure if that's going to be the case.
112:50But, yeah. Interesting waiver wire segment for sure. It's Jeremy Bernard and log out.
112:54Little big man 03 in the chat said, Boone is the goat.
112:57Totally agree. Boone is the goat. And I will stand by that to the end of my days.
113:02All right, Boone. Hell of a show. We did it.
113:05The People's Panic Meter. Coping Corner. We got a bunch of new guys in the Coping Corner.
113:10We'll see how that tracks. Hopefully we motivated Jalen Waddle out of the Coping Corner.
113:14We'll see how that goes. Bo Nix on primetime Thursday night football.
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