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MNF REAX + Post-Week 5 People’s Panic Meter: Are Love, Jeanty fantasy RB busts?!

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1 hr 54 min
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Oct 13, 2026
Published
Tue, October 13, 2026
59
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45
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J.K. DobbinsAshton JeantyBrandin CooksChristian McCaffreyColston LovelandDavid MontgomeryDeebo SamuelGeorge KittleJalon DanielsLuther BurdenMarvin Harrison Jr.Mike EvansBlake CorumBo Nix
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Ashton Jeanty

NegativeInjury63:52

Jeanty is dealing with ongoing injury concerns beyond his preseason ankle injury. He suffered ankle injuries in the preseason, returned for Week 1, but now is dealing with additional injury issues. Harmon is in total panic about Jeanty and wishes he would sit down for a few weeks to fully recover. Jeanty does not have a bye until Week 13, so he won't get rest soon. Clint Kubiak said Jeanty is "beat up" and "it's a testament to how tough he is that he's out there playing today for his teammates." Jeanty responded "unless I can't run, jump, I'm playing." His volume has declined week-to-week: 29 touches Week 1, 25 Week 2, 22 Week 3, 21 Week 4, 13 Week 5 (blowout). He is currently RB 11 in points per game but trending downward.

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NegativeProjection63:52

Jeanty's ceiling is limited due to injury concerns and declining volume. Harmon had him ranked at RB 16 last week but notes that was not low enough. He now projects Jeanty as a high-end RB2 at best, not an RB1, given the way he's playing and the risk that at any moment his injuries could worsen and prevent him from playing.

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Blake Corum

NegativeRole15:00

Blake Corum scored a goal-line touchdown and continues to split carries with Kyron Williams. The split remains mostly the same, with Corum still rotating in on drives, which could be annoying for fantasy purposes when games are tight. However, Kyron Williams' elite receiving usage means he'll accumulate fantasy points even if Corum gets some rushing volume.

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Bo Nix

NegativeRole47:03

Bo Nix is playing poorly and is the root cause of the entire Broncos offense's dysfunction. Matt Harmon emphasizes that until Nix's play improves, none of the Broncos offensive players will hit their ceilings, making the entire offense largely unplayable week-to-week. Harmon notes this is obvious to anyone watching the team and the tape.

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Brandin Cooks

PositiveUsage40:00

Brandon Cooks got into the end zone on Sunday and continues to produce at a high level from the 2015 draft class, though at a different level than Mike Evans. With Deebo Samuel injured, Cooks may see increased opportunity in the 49ers passing game.

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NegativeValue40:53

Brandon Cooks is on the 49ers roster but is only worth targeting in crazy deep leagues given the concentration of the offense toward CMC, Kittle, and Mike Evans.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeBust42:38

Brian Thomas Jr. is in the coping corner, meaning fantasy managers have moved past panic to acceptance of his underperformance.

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C.J. Stroud

PositiveProjection30:00

Stroud is QB 13 in points per game and QB 9 in overall scoring. He ranks second in the NFL in catchable air yards (behind only Jared Goff) and has played well in adverse situations. Boone projects him as a low-end QB1 for the rest of the season with the expanded receiver depth (Collins, Harrison, Jalen Nola). Harmon notes Stroud was a top-10 QB in EPA per play last regular season and is emerging as a guy you can start every week.

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Cam Akers

NegativeBust71:00

Harmon is considering Cam Akers for coping corner, particularly in Dynasty formats. The segment begins with a caller expressing panic about Akers, especially in Dynasty.

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Chase Brown

PositiveValue56:29

Despite disappointing early production as a second-round pick, Matt Harmon is buying low on Brown as a trade target. Brown has played 76% of snaps (vs. 17% for Pirine) and 71% before his Week 5 fumble (vs. 29% for Pirine), showing he remains the lead back. The fumble caused snap share to drop to 48% after, but Harmon compares this to Ramondre Stevenson's fumble situation—Stevenson bounced back the next week. Brown faced tough early matchups (Bucs, Texans, Steelers, Jags run defenses) and fumbled in the one favorable matchup (Dolphins). Last year he was RB 38 through five weeks (8.1 PPG avg) then RB 9 from Week 6 on (17.3 PPG avg). This year he's RB 21 in half-PPR (10.6 PPG) through five weeks. Harmon expects a realistic path to top-15 or top-20 RB production rest of season, especially with bye week coming and potential for cheaper acquisition from frustrated managers.

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Christian Kirk

NegativeInjury41:01

Christian Kirk is on IR for the 49ers and is not expected back soon, making him a stash candidate only in deep leagues with IR spots.

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Christian McCaffrey

PositiveUsage40:00

Christian McCaffrey is positioned to continue receiving concentrated offensive volume for the 49ers, especially with Deebo Samuel sidelined. The offense will continue to lean on McCaffrey, George Kittle, and Mike Evans as primary fantasy assets.

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NegativeRole40:49

CMC is one of the core fantasy pieces in the concentrated 49ers offense and continues to be great for fantasy; he has somehow managed to avoid injuries over the last couple of years despite the team's injury issues.

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Colby Parkinson

NegativeRole19:00

Colby Parkinson returned to the game and was the leading receiving tight end for the Rams, indicating he remains ahead of Tyler Higby in the tight end pecking order despite Higby's recent usage.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeProjection60:54

Harmon is holding Loveland in his expert league (where he also has George Kittle) and recommends holding rather than dropping or selling low. He believes better days are coming and there may be an opportunity to sell higher later. However, he is not putting Loveland in coping corner yet because the Bears have only had one full game with starting QB Caleb Williams (Week 1 was awful with 0 catches on 2 targets, Week 2 was a rain-out where Caleb got hurt, then backups). The offense spread targets more than expected, but Loveland can still be a usable low-end TE1. Harmon wants to see more games with Caleb before making grand proclamations, noting that Tyson Bajan and Case Keenum are not getting these guys to produce downfield.

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PositiveRole60:54

Loveland is not a priority player in the Bears offense despite preseason hype. Route participation dropped from 89% in Week 1 (with Caleb Williams) to 71%, 74%, 72%, and 77% in subsequent games. Matt Harmon notes that while the offense has one full game with starting QB Caleb Williams (59 points scored), Loveland did not pop off and is not a priority enough to redraft in the top 100 picks if starting over today—likely a tight end 9-12 in the 9th-10th round, far from his fourth-round ADP going into the season (as early as third round with summer hype). Loveland had only two targets in Week 1 with Caleb and zero catches. His average depth of target is just 4.4, the lowest among Bears pass catchers, and he has a 50% contested catch rate.

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D.J. Moore

NegativeInjury7:06

DJ Moore missed the entire Monday Night Football game due to a setback from a previous injury. This was his first missed game since 2020. Matt Harmon expects DJ Moore to return the following week after being given a one-week break. His absence forced the Bills into a one-dimensional offensive game plan and limited Dalton Kincaid's involvement.

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Dalton Kincaid

NegativeRole7:06

Dalton Kincaid received only 2 targets for 1 catch and 7 yards, plus a 2-point conversion, despite playing 25 of 33 dropbacks. This is the second consecutive game with minimal targets despite head coach Joe Brady's stated concern after Week 4 that he couldn't leave a game with Kincaid with only two targets. The lack of involvement is particularly concerning because DJ Moore was out the entire game, eliminating any excuse about receiver depth. Matt Harmon views this as a total panic situation if expectations were set for Kincaid to be a top-three set-and-forget tight end, though he acknowledges there are very few such tight ends in fantasy football this year.

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David Montgomery

NegativeInjury30:30

Montgomery is expected to miss a couple of weeks. Boone notes he wasn't playing well even before the injury. The Texans' run game is struggling overall, and the offensive line is better suited for pass protection than run blocking, which may limit Montgomery's upside going forward.

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NegativeBust42:38

David Montgomery is in the coping corner, meaning fantasy managers have moved past panic to acceptance of his underperformance.

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Deebo Samuel

NegativeInjury40:00

Deebo Samuel is expected to miss at least a couple of weeks with a hamstring injury suffered on Sunday in Seattle. With the 49ers' bye in Week 8, he likely won't return until at least Week 9. His absence will concentrate the 49ers offense further onto Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, and Mike Evans.

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NegativeInjury40:36

Deebo Samuel is expected to miss at least through week eight due to injury, with likely return not until week nine at earliest; his absence will concentrate the 49ers offense further toward CMC, Kittle, and Mike Evans.

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Drake London

NegativeRole38:54

Drake London's ceiling is significantly elevated when Michael Penix is on the field; his fantasy value is directly tied to Penix's health. The Falcons offense was awful in the first two weeks without Penix, making London's production dependent on Penix's availability and performance.

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George Kittle

PositiveUsage40:00

George Kittle is positioned to continue receiving concentrated offensive volume for the 49ers, especially with Deebo Samuel sidelined. The offense will continue to lean on Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, and Mike Evans as primary fantasy assets.

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PositiveRole40:49

Kittle is one of the core fantasy pieces in the concentrated 49ers offense and continues to be great for fantasy; health is critical given the team's injury issues.

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J.K. Dobbins

NegativeBust42:38

J.K. Dobbins is in the coping corner; while he scored RB13 last week, his underlying production was weak with only 74 scrimmage yards on 19 touches, and concerns exist that increased work under Sean Payton could increase injury risk given his history of injuries; the upcoming Seahawks defense matchup is not favorable.

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NegativeMatchup43:27

Dobbins faces the Seahawks defense next, which Matt Harmon views as an unfavorable matchup and expresses lack of optimism about his performance in that spot.

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NegativeRole43:40

Matt Harmon is moving J.K. Dobbins into the coping corner, indicating sustained concern about his fantasy viability and role in the Broncos offense.

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NegativeBust46:49

Dobbins received 18 carries in Week 5 that went nowhere, and the Broncos offensive line has not performed as expected. Matt Harmon is frustrated with the entire Broncos offense due to Bo Nix's poor quarterback play, which is preventing all offensive players from hitting their ceilings. Dobbins faces Seattle next, offering little hope for immediate improvement.

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Jalen McMillan

PositiveProjection44:51

Matt Harmon considers Jaylen McMillan the top-ranked player of the 2024 wide receiver class and views that as a settled debate; McMillan has been great throughout the season, distinguishing him from the more volatile performance of other receivers in his class like Buka Mayfield and Matthew Golden.

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Jalon Daniels

PositiveProjection43:57

Jalen Daniels, an undrafted backup quarterback, has looked good in his performance against the Dallas Cowboys defense on Thursday night, keeping the Commanders offense moving effectively.

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NegativeMatchup45:06

Jalen Daniels and the Commanders face the Steelers in Week 6, which presents a different and more challenging defensive situation than the Cowboys.

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James Cook

NegativeUsage1:51

James Cook had two fumbles in the game, including a potential game-ending fumble late in the contest. Despite these critical turnovers, he still finished with 7 carries and was involved in the passing game, but the fumbles overshadowed his performance and generated significant negative social media reaction.

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Jaylen Waddle

NegativeValue60:54

Harmon recommends holding or buying Waddle in a trade package rather than trying to sell him. He notes that everyone has access to the internet and managers will not give up anything good for Waddle or Loveland in a one-for-one trade. Both players are better positioned as buys or holds than as trade-away candidates.

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Jeremiyah Love

NegativeBust67:35

Harmon is moving Jeremiah Love to coping corner. Love is running back 25 in points per game and said "this is going to be the longest year of his life," which Harmon interprets as him fighting through injuries. Love trained hard for the combine, then suffered a preseason injury, and Harmon believes he will never be 100% healthy this season. The Cardinals have taken a long view with Love, and he was scripted out in the last game. Usage has dropped for three straight weeks after one good game where he flashed. Love's bye week is Week 14, so he won't get rest soon. His schedule is brutal: Rams Week 6, Broncos Week 7, Seahawks Week 9, Rams again Week 10, Chiefs Week 11. Harmon expects Love to be a better player next year but is concerned about getting consistent production this year.

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Josh Allen

PositiveProjection0:38

Josh Allen delivered a superhero rushing performance with 121 total rushing yards (107 scrambling yards, career high) and a rushing touchdown on 10 carries, marking his second-most rushing yards in his career. This was his first overtime win in his NFL career after going 0-7 in overtime previously. Allen's performance was critical because the Bills' receiving corps was severely limited without DJ Moore and Josh Palmer, forcing a one-dimensional ground-heavy attack that still succeeded due to Allen's elite scrambling ability and his status as the best emergency option in the NFL.

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Kalif Raymond

PositiveUsage62:08

Raymond has minimal downfield involvement in the Bears offense with an average depth of target of just 5.04, indicating he is not getting the type of deep-ball opportunities expected from the offense.

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Keon Coleman

NegativeRole4:06

Keon Coleman scored a touchdown on a slot receiver route but had to return to the X receiver role due to injuries to DJ Moore and Josh Palmer. The issue is that Coleman is more effective as a move tight end or big slot off-ball Z receiver, and when he's forced into the X role, the 13 personnel packages (which the Bills ran at 35 percent, 27 percent higher than NFL average) become less potent because they lack a man-beating vertical receiver on the outside. This creates four tight ends from a speed perspective on the field, which limits the effectiveness of those packages.

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Khalil Shakir

NegativeUsage1:51

Khalil Shakir finished with 3 catches for 80 yards, including a 57-yard catch-and-run play that nearly put the Bills in position to win before James Cook's fumble. He was a secondary receiving option in a game where the Bills' receiving corps was decimated by injuries to DJ Moore and Josh Palmer, forcing Keon Coleman back to the X receiver role.

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Kyren Williams

PositiveUsage15:00

Kyron Williams received 8 targets for 6 catches in this game and is on pace for a career-high in receptions this season. He's getting real deal receiver usage with 0.13 air yards per target (most in the NFL), indicating he's being used as a primary outlet for short, high-efficiency routes. He already has 27 receptions on the season and is on pace for 75 catches, which is how he'll survive even with Blake Corum rotating in on drives. Scott Pienowski drafted him in the second round of an experts league, and the pick is looking prescient given his elite usage.

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Luther Burden

NegativeRole44:27

Luther Burden has been part of an ongoing debate among Packers and Bears fans regarding his relative performance compared to Matthew Golden; the comparison reflects the volatile and circumstance-based nature of wide receiver performance in the 2024 class.

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PositiveUsage62:08

Burden has not taken a step in downfield productivity. His average depth of target is just 6.7, and he has a 50% contested catch rate, indicating he is not getting opportunities to make plays downfield like the Bears offense was expected to provide.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveRole27:54

Traded to Houston Texans from Arizona Cardinals. Justin Boone sees this as an upgrade from being the third or fourth option in Arizona to the number two option in Houston. The connection with CJ Stroud from their college days is a positive setup. Boone expects Harrison to move from being unranked (WR 45+) to potentially WR 30s in redraft once ramped up, though he remains a WR2 in the Texans' offense behind Nico Collins.

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NegativeValue37:42

Matt Harmon compares Harrison's situation to Amari Cooper's 2015 trade to Dallas—a fourth overall pick whose career began to slip away before a position change to Z receiver revitalized his production. Harmon frames this as the hope the Texans must have if invested in Harrison: that a role adjustment could spark a turnaround, though he notes Cooper was more productive than Harrison on a bottom-line basis. The comparison suggests Harrison's current trajectory is concerning enough to warrant a position change or trade consideration.

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Matthew Golden

NegativeRole44:27

Matthew Golden has become the subject of comparison with Luther Burden in fan debates, with some now arguing he is clearly better than Burden; this reflects the volatile nature of wide receiver performance in the 2024 class where circumstances and matchups drive significant swings in perception.

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Matthew Stafford

PositiveProjection3:00

Matthew Stafford is one of the top five-ish best quarterbacks in the league and demonstrated his elite ability to manipulate zone coverage defenders, which is critical to the Rams' offensive success. He can better manipulate zone defenders than anybody else in the league at this point, enabling the Rams to build entire game plans around underneath zone-beating routes to Puka Nakua.

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Michael Penix Jr.

PositiveInjury38:54

Michael Penix's rib injury is not considered serious according to sources; there is optimism he will be able to play Sunday against the Bears, though the team wants to be cautious and see him practice this week before confirming his Week 6 availability. This is critical for Falcons fantasy assets, as the offense was awful in the first two weeks without Penix and has been more interesting since his return.

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Mike Evans

PositiveUsage40:00

Mike Evans was awesome on Sunday for the 49ers and continues to produce at a high level despite being from the 2015 draft class. With Deebo Samuel sidelined, Evans is positioned to see increased offensive concentration alongside Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle.

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PositiveRole40:49

Mike Evans is one of the core fantasy pieces in the concentrated 49ers offense and continues to be great for fantasy; he is quietly putting up Jackson Smith-Jigbo level receiving efficiency stats on a per-route basis, making him a strong play if he stays healthy.

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Mike Washington Jr.

NegativeRole63:52

Washington is a bench hold in case Jeanty misses time but does not have standalone flex value. He is not a passing-down back, so his usage is limited in game scripts where the Raiders fall behind. In Week 5, he had only 2 touches vs. 16 for Jeanty and 7 for Dylan Lobby. Harmon could not figure out why Washington wasn't used more in the first half to give Jeanty a breather.

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Nico Collins

PositiveRole30:00

Boone describes Collins as an elite receiver and a cornerstone of the Texans offense. However, he notes Collins has a history of missing games—he missed regular season games last year and a playoff game when the Texans lost to New England. The Texans' acquisition of Marvin Harrison Jr. is partly motivated by needing depth at receiver given Collins' injury history. Boone expects Collins to remain in his X receiver role in an expanded passing offense.

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Puka Nacua

PositiveUsage0:18

Puka Nakua received a career-high 24 targets, the most targets for a receiver in at least the last 10 seasons (previous highs: Garrett Wilson and Jamar Chase with 23 each). His long was only 21 yards, indicating the Rams built the entire game plan around him with underneath zone-beating routes. Despite not being 100 percent healthy, Nakua was awesome due to his toughness, elite zone coverage understanding, and Matthew Stafford's ability to manipulate zone defenders. He's being treated as a top-three wide receiver overall in fantasy, with his pre-hernia injury concerns becoming secondary to his elite production.

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Ray Davis

NegativeUsage6:00

Ray Davis was the third-leading receiver for the Bills with 1 catch for 31 yards in a game where the offense was heavily run-focused and the receiving corps was depleted by injuries.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeRole49:07

RJ Harvey has not run away with the Broncos running back job and was never expected to become a workhorse back in this offense. In the two games before Week 5, he received significant passing-game work but does not get many carries and is inefficient when he does. Matt Harmon's panic level on Harvey is lower than on other Broncos players because Harvey's performance aligns with preseason expectations of a complementary back, though he had a bad Week 5.

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Samaje Perine

NegativeRole56:29

Perine has been annoyingly involved in the Bengals backfield, limiting Chase Brown's opportunity. Through five weeks, Brown has only a 74% share of running back touches. Perine's involvement increased significantly after Brown's Week 5 fumble, jumping to 73% of remaining snaps vs. Brown's 48%, as the Bengals used Perine in slot and backfield roles. Before the fumble, Perine had been less involved (17% snaps Week 1-3, 29% Week 4), but the fumble triggered a clear shift in usage.

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Travis Etienne

NegativeBust42:38

Travis Etienne is in the coping corner, meaning fantasy managers have moved past panic to acceptance of his underperformance.

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Ty Johnson

PositiveUsage6:00

Ty Johnson emerged as the second-leading receiver for the Bills with 4 catches for 72 yards on 4 targets in a game where the receiving corps was severely limited. He was one of the few pass-catchers to accumulate meaningful yardage in an offense forced to rely heavily on Josh Allen's scrambling and ground game.

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Tyler Higbee

PositiveProjection18:45

With Terrence Ferguson out and Colby Parkinson returning, Higbee remains the leader in receiving tight end snaps for the Rams. Matt Harmon projects Higbee can continue as a low-end tight end starter given the Rams' upcoming favorable schedule (Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Commanders through Week 11).

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Xavier Hutchinson

NegativeRole31:30

Hutchinson is mentioned as a depth receiver in the Texans' expanded passing offense. Boone expects him to rotate in alongside other receivers in an 11-personnel base, but he is not projected as a primary fantasy option.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Big Show for you here today. It is the Post-Week 5 Peoples Panic Meter.
0:04We've got a lot to talk about there. But before we do that, we have a massive Monday Night Football recap with Hayden Winks.
0:11What a game. Bills 37, Rams 34. This one had absolutely everything between two great teams.
0:15Josh Allen, a superhero, rushing performance on the ground.
0:18Pukun Okua, not just a career high 24 targets, but the most targets we've seen for a receiver since at least the last 10 years.
0:25Just insane stuff from Puka Nakua, Josh Allen, a lot of signature performance to talk through with Hayden in that game.
0:31Then Boone jumps on the show for everything that you love about the Peoples Panic Meter.
0:35We throw some more folks into the Coping Corner, including another entire offense.
0:39Plus we talk about the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade.
0:41Then we wrap it up with a look at this week's top 10 waiver wire selections.
0:46All that and more come up on today's show.
0:48It's a big one. Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone?
0:52I'm Matt Harmon. Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy forecast nightcap.
0:54And it is truly a hell of a night to talk ball because we have an electric Monday Night Football game to talk through here.
1:01And joining me to do just that. Thank God I'm not doing this one solo.
1:06Honestly, I don't I might be yapping myself for 45 minutes here.
1:09No idea what would happen, but thank God I'm not doing that because joining me to talk a little ball is Hayden Winks.
1:15Hayden, what's going on, man? I mean, what an absolute banger of a game that might be the best one we'll have all year.
1:22Yeah, and honestly, in the first half, it looked like it might be kind of a slop fight between these two teams that were supposed to be great.
1:30A lot of penalties, miscues on both sides of the ball, but the game absolutely delivered going into overtime and so many wild sequences to go through here.
1:38Starting with, though, first of all, this is Josh Allen's first win in overtime in his NFL career.
1:43He had been 0-7 in overtime over the course of his NFL career.
1:46So pretty insane stuff. We have a number of like superlatives for certain players to go through here, which we will do throughout the course of the recap.
1:54But again, this one was just completely wild. We had everything.
1:57We had James Cook potential game-ending fumbles, two fumbles tonight for James Cook.
2:01I saw more James Cook fumble stats on my timeline than I was ever bargaining for.
2:05We had a shoestring tackle on Khalil Shakir on a 50-plus-yard catch-and-run play that looked like it was going to be a
2:12sliding doors moment right before that James Cook fumble.
2:14The Rams get the ball back. They drive it down.
2:17Mevis, the kicker for the Rams, misses the kicker.
2:19Rams special teams, you can't make it up. Just letting them down every single big moment here.
2:24And ultimately, the Bills get the ball back. Josh Allen goes superhuman, and they win the football game.
2:29So again, tons to get into here tonight, Hayden.
2:32Rams lose this one 34-37 for the Bills. Let's start with Buffalo.
2:35Where do you want to go first here? Just Josh Allen versus the rest of the world.
2:40We watched all the games on Sunday, and obviously you and I spent a big bulk of the day re-watching a lot of the games today.
2:47And then you get to Josh Allen tonight, and there's a reminder.
2:50Oh, that quarterback performance that you thought was pretty good on Sunday, it looks a lot different when Josh Allen is doing it.
2:57When he's taking off and scrambling, there's no reason he should be that fast that quickly.
3:01And then he has that little kind of one dead leg move to run around Landman like 10 different times.
3:07And this one is the second most rushing yards in his career.
3:10And they really needed it because they had pretty much nothing with all of their wide receivers.
3:15A lot of their chunk plays came from either the slot receivers or their running backs or Josh Allen himself there.
3:21So a very one-dimensional game for the Buffalo Bills.
3:24And still, it didn't matter because he has the best break glass in case of emergency in the NFL.
3:29So just another reminder that if you don't have one of these alien quarterbacks, the margins are so, so, so slim.
3:35And that's against Matthew Stafford, who's one of the top five-ish best quarterbacks in the league himself.
3:39Yeah. Yeah, 107 yards is a scrambler overall tonight for Josh Allen.
3:43That is a career high for him, 121 yards total rushing.
3:46Of course, he gets one of the touchdowns here.
3:48I mean, 10 for 121 and a touchdown is just berserk stuff.
3:52And the crazy thing is, too, I mean, there's so many insane things about Josh Allen.
3:56But obviously, the insane thing here, too, is he never, I mean, he takes massive shots and he just pops right up afterwards.
4:03It's crazy what this guy is in the NFL right now.
4:06And it's a great point about the receivers because this was on my radar right away, Hayden.
4:11It was like, we're back to the last year's receiver core, essentially.
4:14It's Keon Coleman, who I think, you know, obviously he gets the touchdown as a slot receiver, which, I mean, Hayden, you could have run that route.
4:21And you probably could have scored on that one.
4:24It was just a really good design of the play.
4:27Nevertheless, I think it's just he has to go back to that X receiver role with no not just DJ Moore, but also Josh Palmer.
4:34Like he was kind of that sacrificial X. And they've been using Coleman as more of almost like a move tight end
4:40at times, like big slot off ball Z receiver, the whole deal.
4:43He has to go back to that role. Khalil Shakir, good player, but he kind of is what he is.
4:49Again, he has the 57 yarder in this one, which, again, almost put him in position to win the game before the cook fumble.
4:56So many insane sequences there. But yeah, this was a Josh Allen put the cape on and go to work.
5:01Not so much in the first half, but definitely in the second half in overtime.
5:05Yeah. At one point late in the game, well into overtime, the Bills like only have like one or two receptions, like
5:12more than like 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage in this one.
5:15So this was just, it really was a one dimensional game plan.
5:19They ran the ball like two to one, like on early down and starting their, their series plays as well.
5:24Like this was a very one dimensional attack. The ramps like historically just like with that defense really well coached zone defense,
5:30but they are willing to let you run on them.
5:33And for Buffalo, like that worked. And even with their right tackle going to the locker room in this one as well,
5:39which I think that would be kind of a big deal.
5:42Like I think the left tackle has been not quite as dominant as, as before you have one of your offensive linemen leaving in free agency.
5:50Now your right tackles a little bit banged up.
5:52So something to just kind of, kind of keep an eye on moving forward.
5:56But if Josh Allen's going to take off like this and aside from the fumbles for James, that's a big aside.
6:02There were still a lot of, you know, five to 10, 15 yard gains throughout this one.
6:07It's just a really special performance by the Buffalo Bills ground game here.
6:10At one point it was like, uh, and nobody had more than one catch.
6:14It was just Ty Johnson with a couple of catches for 71 yards.
6:18I think it was three catches for 71 yards.
6:20He finishes the day as a second leading receiver, four catches for 72 yards.
6:24I mean, this box score from a receiving standpoint is just obnoxious.
6:28It's three catches for 80 yards for Khalil Shakir.
6:30The 57 yarders, the big one there, Ty Johnson, four for 72 on four targets.
6:34Ray Davis is the third leading receiver on one catch for 31 yards.
6:38And then it's James Cook, seven Kincaid, seven. He had a two point conversion as well.
6:43Keon Coleman, seven. I mean, it's six, zero Skylar Bell gets in the mix here.
6:47Skylar Bell. I don't know what you thought about him as a prospect.
6:50I didn't think he was a guy that was like ready to contribute in the league and probably not a guy that
6:57has a ton of upside in the longterm. So, yeah, it was definitely make chicken salad out of, you know, chicken, you
7:03know what here tonight for Josh Allen. He definitely did it.
7:06Curious on your thoughts about Dalton Kincaid, who comes out of this with two targets, one catch, seven yards.
7:11The two point conversion that I mentioned one week after his play calling head coach Joe Brady says, I can't leave a
7:17game with Dalton Kincaid with two targets. Well, guess what?
7:20But we did it again. This one far more concerning because DJ Moore was not out there for the entire game and
7:26they probably knew that he wasn't going to be suiting up for this one.
7:30So like the game plan, like there's no excuse now.
7:33Like the excuse is just that they just don't think he's good enough or whatever it is.
7:38Like it really is kind of bizarre to me that he's not more involved the way that he is.
7:43Because whenever I see him out in the route, I do think that he's one of the best like moving tight ends in the league.
7:50But in this one, I mean, he's out there for 25 at the 33 dropbacks.
7:54So like it's just the ball is just not going to it was like too hard to tell on the broadcasting exactly why that is.
8:01But man, that is that is staggering stuff. I guess if you're Josh Allen, like you're going to take off and scramble
8:07for, you know, automatic first day on every single time.
8:10Then I get that. But that is that is stunning to only see one reception from them.
8:15I can't do the full splits on this right now because, you know, again, it's like we're just getting the data in live here.
8:22But it does look like they ran 13 personnel at 35 percent, according to Sumer Sports, which is 27 percent higher than the NFL average.
8:29I'm not sure how much of that was run versus pass, anything like that.
8:33But I did see a good post from our buddy, Jacob Sanderson, who also had to screenshot one of the leagues we're
8:39in together, you know, that he was he beat me on a you know, I thought that was a little I thought
8:45that was a little hurtful, Jacob, you know, on the watch.
8:48I have I had Tyron Williams at the goal line.
8:51He's got Puganakua, Matthew Stafford. I mean, that just sort of ahead of me.
8:55I didn't think we needed to post that, but whatever.
8:57He did have a good post, though, on the 13 personnel theory that like when you lose your like you kind of
9:04need a man beating vertical receiver on the outside to really activate those packages.
9:08When that guy becomes Keon Coleman, who again, I think Keon's had a nice year in his more varied role at this point.
9:14But when that guy becomes Keon Coleman, now you almost got four tight ends from a speed perspective on the field here.
9:20And I think that does kind of I'm not saying that that's enough to save Dalton Kincaid from a fantasy standpoint going forward.
9:27But I think getting more back in the mix might make those packages more potent because they were really effective.
9:32And Kincaid specifically was effective out of those the first two weeks.
9:36And that just hasn't really come back here. And obviously more has essentially been banged up since week two and didn't play in tonight's game.
9:43Yeah, I'm assuming DJ Moore will be back the following week.
9:46They just want to give him a one week break here after the setback.
9:50So I understand that theory. I think it does make like football sense to me.
9:54But typically, like I'm on team reduce the target share.
9:57That should be helpful for fantasy and not like he needs the actual guy to spring a more open.
10:02It's like I just want, you know, I want nobody else to throw the ball to just throw the ball to Dalton Kincaid.
10:08That's how I like to get my fantasy points.
10:11I think, you know, I would say panic meter wise for for your show like this would be pretty, pretty high up there.
10:17Would this would be a total panic one? Maybe not a coping corner, but maybe.
10:21Yeah, maybe total panic. Yeah. I mean, certainly if we jacked up the expectations to, oh, this is going to be one
10:28of the top three tight ends, you know, set it and forget it type.
10:31Now, I mean, there are there very many set it and forget it tight ends in fantasy football this year.
10:37Yeah, there's about there's about two of them. One of the guys we were hoping to be has definitely not been that guy in Colson Loveland.
10:44I've had Tyler Warren on teams and that's been kind of a slog.
10:48So, yeah, it's not like there's a ton. It might swing back around for Kincaid, but certainly if we were expecting that
10:54to be the outcome here, I think we're totally panicking on that one.
10:58But and just the Bills offense overall, I think, has felt a little more disorganized and a little more chaotic than maybe
11:04I would have expected after the first two weeks when it kind of felt like Josh Allen had the game in the palm of his hands.
11:11But I am at least willing to be open minded that once we get DJ Moore back in here, it could look
11:17a little bit better and smoother overall. You could tell they showed DJ one time on the sideline and this is his first missed game since 2020.
11:25You could tell that was that was pissing him off.
11:28So we'll see if he can get back here pretty soon.
11:31OK, let's flip over this to the Rams side of things here.
11:34What are your notes for the L.A. Rams? Well, you have to start with Puka Nakua.
11:39We both tweet at the same time. There's a career high for Pukenikua with 21 targets at the time.
11:44He adds another three since we tweeted that one out.
11:47I mean, you can tell he is not 100 percent and they don't care.
11:51And Pukenikua, quite frankly, he doesn't care. And he's still awesome because he's so tough.
11:55He understands zone coverage so well. Matthew Stafford can manipulate zone defenders better than anybody in the league at this point.
12:01And they are like desperate for him because the ground game, like this one of those those weeks where the ground game
12:07wasn't all that explosive, not that successful. Obviously, Blake Corum and Kyron Williams both have goal line touchdowns, but not like a
12:13real like repetitive rushing attack from them. They were really relying on the Pukenikua underneath stuff.
12:18He had 24 targets. His long was only 21 yards.
12:20Like everything was so close to the line of scrimmage.
12:23And that's been a problem for the Buffalo Bills defense.
12:26Christian Benford leaves this game late. But even when he was out there, the other corners in Buffalo are just some of the worst in the league.
12:34And like that's going to be their kind of fatal flaw.
12:37And obviously with Pukenikua, they built the entire game plan around him aside from, you know, the Devontae Adams like goal line touchdowns.
12:43Yeah. Justin Boone, our mutual friend here, of course, he he was he was tilting about this Bill's defense on the Panic Meter podcast earlier today.
12:50He did. We did luckily get some proof of life for Boone.
12:54He did send an LFG text to Colin. So he's excited about this win.
12:58But yeah, this this Bill's defense is a problem, man.
13:00I couldn't believe it. It's one play. Obviously, I haven't seen the all 22 angle.
13:05And to your point, Stafford is so good at manipulating these coverages.
13:08And they do have one of the tight ends.
13:10I think it was Higby just run like a quick hitch to occupy one of those defenders.
13:15But the one out cut for Pukenikua in overtime, I can't believe he's running.
13:19Yeah, I can't believe he's running into a wide open window on the boundary there.
13:23So, yeah, 24 targets for Pukenikua. It's the most for a receiver in at least the last 10 seasons.
13:29The other guys are Garrett Wilson with 23. Jamar Chase with 23.
13:32Him and his teammate Devontae Adams are the only two guys with multiple games of 20 plus targets since 2023.
13:38It just I mean, just outrageous stuff. Yeah, his last 20 spot was against the San Francisco 49ers.
13:43I think that was his rookie season, San Francisco.
13:45Yeah, in 2023, he had 20 targets, 15 catches, 147 yards.
13:48I'm sure, you know, your content at the time.
13:51It's like, man, was that a fluke for the fifth round rookie?
13:54I know I was definitely saying it too. And here we are.
13:58He's got 24 all these years later. 20. That's not a fluke.
14:01I don't care if it's your first game ever.
14:03It's like if you get 20 targets in the game, you're an alpha.
14:07Like you don't need to see more. Yeah, I mean, just like beyond impressive stuff with the whole pre hernia stuff, like
14:13the pre hernia stuff, just like Matthew Stafford's back.
14:16It could all of a sudden just be a thing or it could never be a thing the entire year.
14:21And when he's out there, I don't even think about the pre hernia stuff.
14:25You just trust him as the wide receiver one overall in fantasy.
14:29That's how that's how I'm treating him right now.
14:31And then hopefully the pre hernia stuff doesn't become a massive story later on.
14:35And then with Devante Adams, like even when Puka is out there, it's not the same exact volume, but it's all the volume that you want.
14:42It's like all the red zone goal line stuff.
14:45And once again, we had that here with CJ Gardner Johnson, who, by the way, immediately runs up to after scoring that touchdown.
14:51I'm sure that he was chirping. It was not the cleanest game from CJ as well.
14:56There's a couple of times where CJ was like completely lost in coverage, even like some man coverage reps.
15:01Like he just I think he was responsible for the tight end on a couple of them and was just like running nowhere.
15:07So a very, you know, very troubling game from the Buffalo kind of secondary.
15:11I still think their defensive line has a lot of moments, but just everybody else just does not seem to be on the same page.
15:18So when you have, you know, Matthew Stafford, Puka, Higby and Adams, and then also even Kyron Williams, like these little quick
15:25outs that they do with Kyron and they'll do some choice routes with him.
15:28Obviously, he almost catches that one for a touchdown there.
15:31Those are so valuable. That's like an almost automatic play for them at this point.
15:35Like those little angle routes, they'll do some choice routes from them, sometimes from the slot, sometimes just a little quick out from the backfield.
15:42Like they're really like doubling and tripling down on that this year.
15:46He's going to he's got to be easily on pace for a career high in receptions this year.
15:51Oh, yeah. Eight targets, six catches here tonight, 0.13 air yards per target.
15:55I've been talking about that with Ray on the data dump show where he's been over for the entire season.
16:00So we're going to bring that down a little bit to just most in the NFL, not dramatically most in the NFL
16:06in terms of air yards for Kyron Williams here.
16:09But yeah, he's getting this real deal receiver usage stuff, which is great because they do kind of still need another threat here.
16:15They even mentioned on the broadcast. Yeah, they want to get to to at well some more snaps, which no, they don't.
16:21I mean, he played 30 snaps here, 29 routes.
16:24That's fine, I guess. But it's all there just to clear space.
16:27He finishes the day with one catch for four yards because it totally does feel tight at times with this team.
16:33It doesn't matter all that much when you can pummel 24 targets to one of the best two, three, four wide receivers in football and Puka Nakua.
16:41It's so funny. Like him and JSN are the two guys that it's, you know, Jefferson and Chase, I still think have
16:47to be kind of one and two just because if we're ranking real life receivers because they've done it for multiple years
16:53now, neither one of them is slowing down. You know, they've been, I mean, they've been, they've been great.
16:58JSN and Puka are probably like the next two guys and they're so different.
17:02Like the way they get it done, they, they put up these obnoxious, absurd efficiency numbers, but you know, JSN is so smooth.
17:09He's just like butter out there. He's an elite technician and also has unbelievable body control.
17:13I think Puka Nakua is a great technician, but he's like a power-based player.
17:17So it's so fun that these two guys, they play each other at least two times, maybe three like they did last year, times a year.
17:24Stacking them up together is so fun because they both, again, they, they break the efficiency charts, but they do it in such different ways.
17:31Yeah. It's a lot more like Charles Barkley, like more power forward type of stuff from Puka.
17:36He just, he's so special though. Like the sideline toe tapping stuff, like that's like where he, he shouldn't have that level
17:42of body control and the contested catch ability from him is just wild.
17:46Then the toughness, like there was multiple run plays where he was the guy that was just kicking out a very key defenders over the middle.
17:53So like just a remarkable game from, from Puka there, the Kyron and Blake Corum split was like mostly the same.
17:59I think that even if Blake Corum's going to like, you know, kind of rotate drives, just the fact that they're peppering Kyra Williams to this degree.
18:07And I just checked, he already has 27 receptions.
18:09Like he's typically in the thirties every year. So if he, if he's going to catch 75 passes this season, which he's
18:15on pace for, like that's how he's going to survive.
18:18Even if Blake Corum is like still going to be somewhat annoying when games are tight.
18:23Shout out to Scott Pienowski in our experts league.
18:25Uh, we took Kyron Williams in the second round.
18:28I kind of was raising an eyebrow like the second round for Kyron Williams.
18:32I think he's a great third round pick the second round.
18:35Um, I, Scott hasn't lost yet by the way, folks.
18:37Uh, so we'll be talking about that on the show tomorrow, but there's a reason for that.
18:42So yeah, great pick by Scott. Uh, they're the Rams.
18:45Uh, they get the, again, they get the, uh, they get the Cardinals, the Raiders and the Chargers, the commanders and the
18:51car, the Cardinals up until week 11 by. So yeah, they were due for some maybe cupcake games here.
18:56Uh, and now I think these guys could really put up some insane games here, including Tyler Higby, as long as Terrence Ferguson is out.
19:03Cause Colby Parkinson comes back in this game and he was still the leader.
19:07Receiving tight end. So I think we can continue to ride.
19:10That is kind of one of the low end, you know, tight end starters out there.
19:15So I think you can continue to do that with him.
19:18Bill's schedule upcoming here. Uh, they get the Raiders and Raiders are, you know, both these teams cross here is here coming
19:24up and then they get a week seven by before they come back to a couple tougher games, Ravens Vikings on the other side of that by.
19:32So what a game tonight. Uh, again, just big time performances, but from big time players and ultimately we had to go
19:38pretty deep into overtime before we finally got a win here.
19:41Matt, it's going to be, you know, kind of top of your head, but who would you say is the best team in the NFL right now?
19:49Not record wise, like kind of spinning for it.
19:51It's very close. Like these teams are going to be very high up there.
19:55I would say the Niners and Seahawks obviously are going to be in this conversation.
19:59You can make a case for the Ravens, the cheese.
20:02I mean, there's, it doesn't feel like there's a true like gold star team this year and that there's probably like eight teams in like the eight year.
20:10Like there's been any team that's like firmly stand out above the rest.
20:13Like maybe the Niners offense is so good that you, you would defend them, but I would love to see Lamar Jackson
20:20go toe to toe with Josh Allen and like an MVP race the rest of the season, if he can get fully healthy.
20:26So do you have a good answer for that one?
20:29Yeah. And I thought Jacksonville was in the conversation and then they just had, I just don't trust them as much.
20:35They have like a brain breaking game. That's going to take some time to get the image of Trevor Lawrence losing his, losing his mind.
20:42And I'm saying not like a Trevor Lawrence thing, but losing his mind with the operations there.
20:46So totally get that Kansas city of course is in the mix there, but I feel like they're, I think with all
20:53of these teams, I can sit here and kind of nitpick something like with Kansas city.
20:57I just feel like they're receiving weapons at some point.
21:00We'll come back to bite them for Jacksonville. Their sloppiness will come back to bite them for Buffalo.
21:05The defense can come back to bite them for the Ravens.
21:08I mean, I don't know. Lamar can get a bad case of diarrhea and miss a game or something.
21:13Mark Andrews could come back and bite him like, and that's just the AFC.
21:17And then I think the NFC is really tight at the top.
21:21I would say it's still one of these teams from the West here.
21:24And right now, I guess they'd have to go Niners because I mean, they've beaten both of these teams.
21:30Maybe that's too prisoner of the moment, but don't they also feel like a little bit of a house of cards?
21:35Like how long can they keep getting away with these receiver injuries?
21:39And I think the defense kind of, they play really tough.
21:42They play really hard and physical, which is kind of classic Niners defense, but I'm not sure like if they're talented enough
21:48to be that over the long run there. Yeah.
21:51I think they could get a couple of defensive linemen that kind of pop off.
21:55They're getting like Grayson Halton and stuff, like making some noise here.
21:58But you know, with the Rams, like preseason expectations, the Rams are not as good as that.
22:03I think there's just a couple little things that have not been going their way, but they'll eventually get miles Garrett back.
22:09I am willing to say the Rams at two and three.
22:12It might be the best two and three team ever.
22:15Like this team is still extremely good for sitting at two and three.
22:19They're going to bounce back. The schedule is going to lighten up here and you know, they'll start figuring things out themselves.
22:25Yeah. I think we have a few records that I'm like, I don't know how much I'm buying that, but I think
22:31there are a few of these teams, like even Houston, we'll see if it can come together for them.
22:36They might be the best one in four team I've ever seen.
22:40That's for sure. And their one win is over a lifeless Tennessee Titans team.
22:43So yeah, the NFL is really tight this year.
22:46I think it's going to be a fun rest of the season.
22:49Honestly, I think it's been a blast of a season so far.
22:53And tonight's game was certainly one of the most enjoyable.
22:56Okay. That's it for the Monday night football recap.
22:58Shout out to Hayden Winks. You can catch both of us tomorrow on stats versus film.
23:03And with that, like, yeah, we got to get out of here, man.
23:06I got to go to bed so that I can get up and start grinding this tape.
23:11Okay. So make sure you tune into that one.
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23:17We will catch you all in the next one.
23:19All right. That's our Monday night football recap. Shout out to Hayden Winks.
23:23Great recap there. What an awesome game. Now let's throw it to Justin Boone and the people's panic meter.
23:28The rest of the show. Let's get into it.
23:31It is a hell of a day to talk ball and joining me to do just that is my good friend, Justin Boone.
23:37Boone, what's going on, buddy? What's happening, man? I'm good.
23:40I'm feeling good. A little bit of a humbling week, I would say.
23:43And it's not necessarily like anything that I could have predicted, but I just, man, I get hard on myself.
23:49I get so angry when I get stuff wrong in terms of like projections and rankings and everything.
23:54And like some of the things this week, like Demario Douglas being a top 10 fantasy receiver or, you know, Samajay Pirine
24:00right now before Monday night football being a top 12 running back.
24:04Like no way that we could have projected that stuff.
24:06But regardless, that's what probably fuels me and makes me dig deeper and makes me, you know, figure out ways to refine
24:13the process and get better at it. Honestly, I do need to refine the process and get better because you are still
24:19ahead of me in the expert league. And that is just killing me.
24:22That is like a thorn in my side. But hopefully I'll catch you at some point here.
24:27Yeah, we'll see what happens. Probably not. But no, my team's my team sucks, dude.
24:31And it's funny, Scott, I think is going to go five and oh this week.
24:35I saw it on our weekly editorial calls again.
24:38My team's not that good. It's going to come down to Monday night.
24:42I was like, Scott, I'm looking at the matchup right now.
24:45It's not going to come down to Monday night.
24:47You're going to you're going to win this week.
24:50He's going to be five and oh, and he thinks he thinks his team stinks.
24:54So I actually don't know of anybody other than Hayden, who I think is still, you know, moonwalking down the timeline about how good his team is.
25:01I don't think any of us feel very good about our teams and how many of us can really feel great about our teams right now.
25:09There's a lot of fantasy problems out there, Boone.
25:11There really are. And I think it was good that Scott was kind of honest on that call, though, because if you
25:17look at the points against, he has like 200 fewer points against than the team that's in last place.
25:23So he is getting a little bit lucky in terms of some of these matchups.
25:27It's good that he was realistic about that. I feel OK about the core of my team.
25:32I still got a few things I got to work on my RB2 spot, my flex spot.
25:36But those are the easiest positions to kind of fill along the way.
25:40So I'm coming for you, Herman. I'm excited about that league.
25:43It's going pretty well. Well, if Derek Henry decides to go join the aliens in outer space, which he is actually an alien from outer space.
25:50But if he decides to go back home, then I think I might have something to worry about.
25:56But for now, I feel pretty good about where my team is at.
25:59But like I said, there's a lot of fantasy problems out there in the streets.
26:03We are going to cover a lot of that on today's episode.
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26:28Come along with us on this journey as we try to uncover and fix all of the fantasy problems out there, because
26:34that's what we do every single week here on the Panic Meter Show.
26:38We go through the People's Panic Meter, your submissions to the Panic Meter.
26:41Guys, we should be panicked. Guys, we should not be panicked.
26:44And maybe some players we need to be coping about as we are five weeks through the NFL season.
26:50Then we cover the Duke Cannons waiver wire targets and the players you need to drop.
26:54But before we get into any of that, we have some big news to discuss here.
26:59Talked about it a little bit yesterday on the recap show with Josh and Hayden.
27:03As I said, I think I'm going to be talking about this 99 times between the next few days.
27:08But let's get into it a little bit here, Boone.
27:11I want to hear your thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr.
27:14Officially traded to the Houston Texans. Still pending a physical.
27:17Of course, always is. But the Texans receive Marvin Harrison Jr.
27:20And a 2027 sixth round pick. The Cardinals get back a second rounder and a seventh rounder, both in the 2027 NFL draft.
27:26Pretty good business, I think, for the Cardinals to get a second round pick here.
27:30It was just it was so apparent to me, Boone, that it was time for a divorce between these two parties with
27:37the way he was playing with the way the and again, I think Harrison has been a little unfairly criticized in his first two NFL seasons.
27:44Not so much this year. He was not playing well.
27:47He didn't look fully engaged. It was just time for a divorce.
27:50And now we can kind of clean slate this whole thing for Harrison as he heads to Houston.
27:55So we'll talk a little bit about the Arizona fallout.
27:58But just what is your kind of takeaway from Marvin Harrison Jr.
28:01going to Houston? What are your expectations for him, for Stroud, for Nico, the other pass catchers?
28:06Let's get into it. Well, I felt kind of bad for him over the last couple of seasons because this is one
28:12spot where I think fantasy kind of did him dirty.
28:15Everyone had these massive expectations of him, right? Coming in and redraft and dynasty.
28:19He was going to be this next elite wide receiver, you know, the son of an amazing receiver.
28:24And then it just didn't happen. He wasn't that guy.
28:27And he can still go on to have a great career, but he is not going to be an elite receiver.
28:33That's just not who he is. So this gives him a chance to go from being the third option in Arizona, maybe
28:39the fourth option at times this year in Arizona to now being the number two option in Houston.
28:44I like that for him. I think in redraft now we have a path towards him being a wide receiver for flex, maybe even a wide receiver three.
28:52If everything goes well, the connection with CJ Stroud going back to their college days.
28:56It's a nice setup for him. I will say though, Harmon in dynasty, I'd be trying to capitalize on this.
29:01I'd try to package him with something I'd be selling high because we don't know long-term how this is going to work out.
29:08There's not really a spot for him to be the number one guy in that offensive Nico Collins there.
29:13So I would be trying to take advantage of that in dynasty and move on from him in redraft though.
29:19You could pick them up and stash them and see how this plays out.
29:23I just don't know that he's ever going to be super meaningful for fantasy in terms of like a week winner at league winter type.
29:30I think it really does depend on where Houston's offense goes from here.
29:33And this is just, again, speculating and guessing, but with the way CJ Stroud has played to start this year.
29:39And remember he has two games without Nico Collins this year.
29:42And the offense was dreadful in those two games without Collins, which by the way, I think is a part of why
29:48they make this move because they were just up, you know, what Creek without a paddle.
29:53If they did not have Nico Collins on the field and those two games with their outside receivers being, you know, K.
29:59Deshaun Booty and Xavier Hutchinson. Right. So I think actually having some depth there is key for this team in particular, because
30:05you can basically just, I love Nico Collins. He's an elite.
30:08He is an elite receiver. One of those guys for sure that you can, you can say your watch though, that he's
30:14going to miss a couple of games a year.
30:17Even last year for the Houston Texans, he missed some games in the regular season.
30:21Then he misses the game in the playoffs when they ultimately get obliterated by the new England Patriots.
30:26When Stroud has a complete meltdown game. I don't think they want to find themselves in that situation again.
30:31I think that's part of why they make this trade, but also, but if you just look at again, the way the
30:37Stroud is playing, he's second in the NFL and catchable air yards this year, according to fantasy points data behind only Jared Goff.
30:44He's been playing well. He's been giving these guys opportunities and the run game is not the run game stinks.
30:49The run game is it's so over. Dave Montgomery is going to miss a couple of weeks.
30:54Dave Montgomery wasn't playing well. Anyways, line is better in pass protection than the run game.
30:59I just wonder if we could kind of see this team say, Hey, let's spread the field.
31:03Get a bunch of eligible, eligible out there. Jalen Nola is coming on.
31:07Jalen Nola's had two good games back to back.
31:10They're starting to get him more involved consistently. Like let's go 11 personnel is our base offense.
31:14I'm guessing this is where I'm as a receiver dork.
31:17I won't waste everybody's time on this. They can check out my other shows for this type of stuff.
31:22But as a receiver dork, I'm really fascinated to see.
31:25Is it Collins at X and Harrison at Z or vice versa?
31:29My guess is it's going to be the former, not the latter.
31:32We see Nico in his same role, but we get him out there like X, Z.
31:36And then Nola is the slot. They rotate in Hutchinson.
31:39They rotate in booty because they're a spread offense.
31:42I mean, I could see this being one of the most pass heavy teams in the NFL going forward, which would be
31:48a benefit for all of these guys to have a little bit of fantasy viability.
31:52Does that make CJ Stroud kind of interesting from all this?
31:55I mean, all the focus will be on the skill position, guys.
31:59But it kind of makes me think I agree with you.
32:02CJ Stroud has played pretty well this year. This all of a sudden does make him a little more interesting as maybe
32:08a low end QB one the rest of the season.
32:11I would love to see them go in that direction because, yeah, we're going to talk about David Montgomery much, much later in this episode.
32:18And spoiler, it's not a good section to be in.
32:20We will talk about him at the end of the show.
32:23So I think they should do that, Herman. And it makes me want to go after Stroud a little bit here.
32:29And, you know, the bye weeks are coming up, so you can certainly grab some of these guys as bye week replacements.
32:36But there's a chance now with this group around him, I think the path could be there for him to be a meaningful fantasy piece.
32:43Yeah, it's a great call. Stroud right now is QB 13 in points per game, QB 9 in overall scoring.
32:48I mean, I think this continues for Stroud. I know he turned into a little bit of a meme in the offseason
32:54because he was terrible in the playoffs, but he was a top 10 quarterback in EPA per play last regular season.
33:00So far this year, again, I think he's been very good in adverse situations.
33:04Last two games, admittedly, it's against the Titans and the Cowboys.
33:07And they're both just completely terrible defenses. Obviously, the Titans are just one of I feel bad for Titans fans, man.
33:13It's just so hopeless. But anyways, that's where they are.
33:16I get that. But having Collins back, not even 100%, by the way, I charted both those games.
33:21That guy's not even 100% healthy and he's still a dominant player.
33:24Stroud has been excellent in these two games against bad defenses.
33:27I get that. But this team's not going to be what we expected, right?
33:31We know their defense is not one of the two or three best in the NFL.
33:36They're a good unit, but not a great unit.
33:38They're probably a great unit. They're just not an elite unit.
33:41So they're going to need Stroud to dig them out of some of these holes.
33:45Looks like he's capable of it. I think he's emerging as a guy you can start every single week.
33:51And yeah, just again on the Harrison stuff, I really do think it matters, Boone, that there's a relationship between Stroud and Harrison.
33:57You know, I honestly don't know. I would still be a little maybe skeptical of the Marv stuff if he was maybe going anywhere else.
34:04Like, again, people throughout the Raiders, just for example, as a team.
34:08And I mean, they do need a receiver of Marvin Harrison's archetype, theoretically.
34:11But the fact that he's going to someplace where the quarterback already believes in him and is talking about in some interviews,
34:17like this is one of the hardest workers I've ever been around.
34:21I know the film's been bad on Harrison this year.
34:24I can't defend some of the lackluster routes and the low effort.
34:27But I just think we're going to see a different version of Harrison this like upcoming stretch here with the Texans than
34:33we saw the last, I would say, you know, three or four games with the Arizona Cardinals.
34:38OK, so we had pretty high hopes for Jaden Higgins before the season, before he got hurt.
34:43I was talking about as like potentially a wide receiver three.
34:46That's how he was producing down the stretch last year.
34:48Final answer, Harmon. Like, do you see Marv having that kind of potential in this offense?
34:53Potentially more, potentially less? What do you think? I think he'll be.
34:56The tough part is that I really think Nola is playing well, and I mean, it's this is not a perfect analogy.
35:02I think in an ideal world, this works out for the Texans where you have a one in Nico and then, you
35:09know, kind of a T Higgins type two is what like he's a two, but he's ultimately just a two.
35:14Right. So I think the guess I need more for fantasy.
35:17I'm talking wide receiver. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not wide receiver three in this offense.
35:22Totally, totally. But my point in that was just like, that's easy to say for the two Bengals guys because they don't have a third receiver.
35:29Right. We were getting ourselves excited about Dante Myers and Mike Gusecki because they haven't had that answer as the third receiver.
35:35I think the Texans do have that, which makes the volume question here a little bit different.
35:40I would say probably receiver three in fantasy. I think he ultimately can get into kind of that and look, we're going to talk about guys today.
35:47Josh Downs, right? Like he's in this nebulous zone where every now and again, he has a good week, but like that's
35:53wide receiver three in fantasy right now. So I think that's still setting expectations in a reasonable spot.
35:58It just comes down to do they really let CJ Stroud cook ultimately.
36:02So I would say redraft wise should be rostered everywhere.
36:05I think he, you know, is a guy that we weren't even considering ranking.
36:09I mean, when's the last time you ranked him in higher than wide receiver 45 or something like that.
36:14Marvin Harrison Jr. Anytime this season. It's been a minute.
36:17Yeah, it's definitely been at least a few weeks.
36:19So I think he'll probably, he'll be a guy that I think we can at least get into the thirties at the receiver position.
36:26Once he gets fully ramped up. I think Jalen Noel remains a really good buy dynasty is the more, is the more difficult one.
36:33I've docked Marv into like kind of the thirties in my dynasty rankings.
36:37I'm probably comfortable keeping him there because I'm still relatively aligned with the market, but you think this is a pretty good sell window for Harrison.
36:44I just wonder if anybody is even going to be really wanting to buy, or maybe it will be off the optimism here.
36:50So I had a friend message me last night and ask me what I thought that he should do with Marv and dynasty.
36:57And to me, it's you package him with something else, because if you just try to sell him straight up, I don't
37:03know that you're going to find somebody that's that excited about making that deal.
37:07So I think you try to package him with something else, capitalize on his name being in the headlines on some people
37:13out there talking him up a little bit. And then you try to upgrade at a different position.
37:18That's normally when you have these kinds of volatile assets, you're not sure about packaging with another guy.
37:23If they haven't really been doing it for a while, the odds of them coming through to me, we're playing probabilities here
37:29are usually lower than them actually becoming something really meaningful in your lineup.
37:33So I'm trying to move off of that, especially when it comes to receivers that really haven't lived up to expectations.
37:39That's normally when you want to move on from those guys.
37:42And if you can reset with a draft pick, great.
37:45If you want to move on and package him for a player at another position, I'm fine with that, too.
37:50Yeah, I think that can be a savvy move.
37:53Just depends on, again, what you can get. I think if you're the Texans, you have to kind of hope that this
37:59is like the Amari Cooper trade where you're buying it just the right time when it's really slipping away.
38:04Cooper was more productive than Harrison on just a bottom line basis.
38:08But another fourth overall pick, a guy that ultimately his career started to slip away, got a position change in Dallas to
38:14play more Z receiver, and it went really well for him.
38:17So that's kind of the hope that you have to have if you're invested in Harrison, if you're the Houston Texans, the whole deal.
38:23Again, I literally had a 48-minute conversation about this with James Coe on Reception Perception, the show earlier today.
38:29I could talk about this Marv stuff for a long, long time.
38:32So I don't normally say, hey, go listen to my other shows here.
38:36But I'm going to do it here once and say go check that out if you want longer, more receiver dork thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:43I think we've got as much as we possibly could from just a brass tacks fantasy standpoint on this one.
38:49So let's move on to a couple other quick injury updates before we get into the panic meter.
38:54Michael Penix. Sounds like there's some optimism that he is going to be able to play Sunday against the Bears.
38:59Shepter followed that up with Michael Penix's rib injury not considered serious, according to sources.
39:03Might be able to play for the game against the Bears, but the team wants to be cautious, see him practice this
39:10week before they know whether he will play in week six.
39:13I certainly don't want to see Tua throw another pass for this team again.
39:17I'm good on that after what we got on Sunday night here, Boone.
39:20So that obviously is a situation we're going to have to monitor this week.
39:24Yeah, I don't know if Tua wants to throw another pass in this offense, right?
39:28I think he would be more than happy to hold the clipboard and stay on the sidelines.
39:33So yeah, this would be really bad news for Drake London, who we know his ceiling is just so elevated when Penix is out there.
39:40So fingers crossed, man, because this offense was awful in those first two weeks without Penix.
39:45It's been more interesting since. So we need to keep him upright.
39:48We need to keep him healthy. We're going to hope all week here.
39:52We're going to light candles. We're going to do whatever we have to do to make sure that he's out there so
39:58that all those fantasy assets in that Falcons offense are rolling in our fantasy lineups.
40:02Last thing here real quick, Debo Samuels expected to miss quote at least a couple weeks for the hamstring injury he suffered on Sunday in Seattle.
40:09Man, San Francisco is running out of bodies at the receiver position.
40:13Mike Evans was awesome on Sunday. Debo has been useful for them.
40:16He, of course, now is going to miss some time.
40:19Brandon Cooks got into the end zone. Two ballers from that 2015 class.
40:22Mike Evans and Brandon Cooks still getting it done sort of kind of at very different levels.
40:27You just have to wonder if San Francisco starts sniffing around for a wide receiver at the NFL trade deadline.
40:33Brian Thomas Jr., I don't know. We'll see what happens.
40:36But, yeah, they certainly are hurting at the receiver spot, though.
40:39Yeah, and they have a buy in week eight.
40:41So I don't think we're going to see Debo until at least week nine here, probably.
40:46And it's going to just concentrate the offense even more, right?
40:49Like CMC, Kittle, Mike Evans. These guys are going to continue to be great for fantasy.
40:53Brandon Cooks, that is you got to be in like a crazy deep league to be going after him.
40:59If you want to take some shots on waiver wear guys like Christian Kirk is on this team.
41:04He's on IR. Dazon Stribling. We're not expecting him back for a while here, but he's somebody else you could stash in
41:10an IR spot and hope that he comes back down the stretch and can give you something because he had a big
41:16role in week one before he got hurt. So it's terrible news.
41:19But really, if you're a fantasy manager who has one of these core pieces in San Francisco, you're feeling good about it
41:25as long as they can stay healthy because it seems like that Grim Reaper has been coming for every single guy.
41:31We need Mike Evans to stay out there. We need Kittle to stay out there.
41:35And obviously CMC is somehow sold his soul to the devil the last couple of years and managed to avoid any injuries.
41:42Mike Evans quietly putting up Jackson Smith and Jigbo level receiving efficiency stats on a per route basis.
41:47So, yeah, let's just hope he can stay on that football field.
41:50But OK, that's the news. We had a lot to talk about there.
41:54We've got even more to talk about as we get into the panic meter.
41:58So with that, welcome to the post week five people's panic meter.
42:01Would you say it's time for everyone to panic?
42:03Yes, I would get. Oh, my God. OK, it's happening.
42:06No, no, no, no. Everybody stay calm. All right, we'll get into your panic meter submissions here for this week.
42:12But let's quickly look at the state of the coping corner.
42:15Revisit that one here. Chargers offense, which remember, when we have guys in the coping corner, that means we're not panicking anymore.
42:21We're just coping about these guys. And it is what it is, right?
42:25So we still every week I put the tweet out, Chargers offense, Amarian Hampton.
42:29I'm panicked about it. You're screwed if you drafted Amarian Hampton.
42:32It's over. You're coping. He's in the coping corner.
42:34You're in the coping corner. So that's that. Let's remember what the coping corner is.
42:38OK, Travis Achan, obviously in the coping corner. J.K.
42:41Dobbins, David Montgomery, Emeka Ibuka, Brian Thomas Jr. We did at least get some signs of life from J.K.
42:46Dobbins and Emeka Ibuka. Wide receiver 15 for Ibuka this past week.
42:50RB 13 for J.K. Dobbins. I'm going to go ahead and say, Boone, and you tell me if you disagree.
42:55I don't think either rises to the level of let's take these guys out of the coping corner.
43:00But do you disagree? No, I'm glad you feel the same.
43:03And really, if we took away the touchdowns from these two guys, I don't even think we'd be having the conversation.
43:09Right. Like the yardage was a little bit better, but it wasn't anything super exciting.
43:1374 scrimmage yards for Dobbins took 19 touches to do it.
43:17And now you worry that, OK, if Sean Payton taking the reins and Sean Payton kind of giving him more work, is
43:23this going to increase the odds that potentially Dobbins has that injury that he has every year?
43:27Right. That's concerning. And they get the Seahawks defense next.
43:30And I'm not really hopeful about that matchup for Dobbins.
43:33So that's not great. And then, yeah, Buka needs a little more here before I think we consider him coming out of this.
43:39He scored on a 14-yard run, too. So that was maybe a little bit fluky.
43:44So let's keep all that stuff in mind and let's keep these guys in there.
43:48We're going to slow play this one. Yeah. Crams in the YouTube chat said Buka should be out of the corner now.
43:54I totally disagree. That was a rushing touchdown that he scored on.
43:57Jalen Daniels looks good as a backup undrafted quarterback who played the disgusting Dallas Cowboys defense on Thursday night.
44:03I would love to be wrong because I have a Buka in several leagues, including the Experts League, where I did not start him.
44:09I did start him in another league, and I felt like I got away with it.
44:14Okay? So I'm going to need a few weeks of the offense looking a little bit better in Tampa Bay and, frankly,
44:20doing it against a real defense before I want to take a Buka out of the coping corner.
44:25Because I still didn't see, like, oh, yeah, he's the metronome of the offense.
44:29We can consistently activate him on these downfield concepts.
44:32I'm still going to say a Buka in the coping corner.
44:35And, by the way, just real quick before we get into the rest of this, especially the Dobbins Broncos of it all.
44:41Isn't it so funny how this stuff works, Boone?
44:43There's currently a war going on on Twitter between Packers and Bears fans.
44:47But you idiots, Packers fans saying to Bears fans, you idiots said Luther Burden was clearly better than Matthew Golden.
44:53Now it's so obvious that Matthew Golden is way better than Luther Burden.
44:56And at the beginning of last season, it's like a Buka was way better than any of these guys.
45:02And now it probably – I mean, this is just how it goes at this position, just as we always say.
45:07It's so up and down, up and down. Guys go this way.
45:11They go that way. It's circumstances-based. It's just funny how this class in particular – obviously, McMillan's been great the whole time.
45:17I think we all know he's the top-ranked player of the class, at least to me.
45:21I think that's a settled debate was that way as a prospect.
45:25But these other guys kind of behind him, it's been a little flip-floppy with them.
45:29Yeah, and Buka's just been like this weird enigma ever since last year, right?
45:33That strong start, and then he has the injury and falls off.
45:36And now this year, we haven't really got enough information to go on.
45:40And with Baker being out, that makes it even harder to evaluate here.
45:43So I'm still holding in Dynasty. I'm still pretty hopeful, I think, that he's going to get this right and have a
45:50strong career and be a pretty good fantasy play and a pretty good fantasy starter.
45:54But right now, it's still up in the air.
45:56And having a backup out there, as good as Jalen Daniels has performed and he's kept that offense moving, it's not making
46:03it any easier to try to figure out what Buka is actually going to be the rest of this season and beyond.
46:09Yeah, no. Again, it's nice to see that for Jalen Daniels, but now they play the Steelers in Week 6.
46:14That's a little bit of a different defensive situation there.
46:17Okay, let's talk about the Broncos because we mentioned J.K.
46:20Dobbins taking him out of the coping corner. I'm going to go ahead and just say, actually, I think we should toss
46:26the entire Broncos offense into the coping corner. That's my thought here.
46:29But here's our submissions before I've led the witness maybe with the way I want to get to the conclusion here.
46:35So we'll see if Boone can talk me down.
46:38Jalen Waddell, email comes in from Jeff B. My submission is about Jalen Waddell because he is the one in the Denver offense that I invested in.
46:45But even when Peyton is calling plays, this offense stinks.
46:48Getting back to Waddell, take away Week 2 and he has 10 catches for 66 yards and a touchdown in the other four games.
46:55I want to ride the ups and downs with him, but the downs are very hard to deal with.
47:00Coping are you RJ Harvey? We got an email from Jason C said not a major player, but seriously WTF was that Peyton while we're at it.
47:08All Broncos offensive players are disasters and largely unplayable week to week.
47:11I don't know why anybody in their right mind Boone thought that Sean Payton is going to get in there and he's
47:17just going to call the good plays. He's just going to push the good play button because the issue is the quarterback.
47:23The quarterback is playing poorly right now. Now it's obvious to anybody who's watching this team.
47:28It's obviously to any obviously anyone watching the tape right now.
47:31So until something changes with that, I think this offense is in the coping corner because none of these guys are going
47:37to hit their ceilings with the way Bo Nix is playing right now.
47:41And yeah, really the only one in my opinion that we should even really care about is Jalen Waddle because I'm not
47:47falling for the RJ Harvey PPR scam. JK Dobbins.
47:49Yeah, they got him 18. What is a bunch of carries that went absolutely nowhere.
47:54That's also something to the offensive line is maybe not played quite as well as you thought.
47:58But I don't know, man. I'm just totally done with this offense, but this could just be because of how frustrating I think it's been with Bo Nix.
48:06So you tell me if I'm overreacting here. Well, I wasn't sure what direction you were going to go in.
48:12I am more than happy to put Waddle in the coping corner.
48:15That was my first instinct. I thought the only reason we wouldn't do it is because we spent so much time this
48:21summer talking him up and we might not want to admit that we were totally wrong on that.
48:26But at the moment, it looks like we were totally wrong on that, right?
48:30The results are in here. We have four games where he's been at 35 yards or less.
48:35Three of those games have been under 20 yards.
48:38And yes, you know, he's had a couple of fantasy days that were OK.
48:42He had one good one. He had one that he kind of saved with a touchdown.
48:46But just like Dobbins, I said a second ago, he gets Seattle next.
48:50So do we really expect that he's going to come out and, you know, make us just totally look foolish by having a big game against the Seahawks?
48:57I highly doubt that. So it's been bad. Him, I'm definitely coping corner with.
49:01And I'm OK putting Harvey in the coping corner.
49:04The only reason that I guess my panic level on him maybe wasn't quite as high is what we expect from RJ Harvey this year, right?
49:11I always bring in like the expectations versus reality thing to this.
49:15To me, it was like RJ Harvey was not running away with this job.
49:18He wasn't going to become like a workhorse back in this offense.
49:22He's kind of been like I know he had a bad week this week, but he's kind of been the guy that we expected.
49:29The two games before that, he was getting a ton of work in the passing game.
49:33But he doesn't get a lot of carries. And when he does, he's not really efficient with them, right?
49:38So he's filling that role that I expected. I don't want to spoil something from the waiver wire section, but I will.
49:45And I'll just say that Jonah Coleman is out there, right?
49:48Jonah Coleman is available in like 70% of leagues.
49:50You can stash him in your IR spot. We don't know if a Dobbins injury is going to happen.
49:55And maybe this won't matter because the Broncos offense has been terrible, but I at least would be grabbing Jonah Coleman and
50:02putting him on IR on my team. Just use that spot.
50:05Have him there just in case an opportunity opens up in this backfield.
50:08Because I don't think Dobbins or Harvey have really run away with this job.
50:12And maybe this offense will get better as we go.
50:15But right now, it is not great. So if you want to go coping corner for all of them, that whole team can join the charges in there.
50:23Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, I just we can take players out, right?
50:27We put Drake may hit it. What do you have a one week stint in the coping corner?
50:32Maybe this is what Bo Nix needs to get it done.
50:35But I mean, just with the way we were wrong.
50:38We were wrong about Jalen Waddle. I'm not going to get take locked on this.
50:42And I don't think it's because of Jalen Waddle.
50:44Now, he has had like four drops this year, which is annoying because he's not a guy who's ever had drop problems.
50:51So if we're calling balls and strikes here, there's definitely some times where he's left plays on the field.
50:56But there's so many more open throws that the quarterback is just not taking right now.
51:00It's so again, it is so obvious to anybody who is watching the tape, anyone that is just seeing this with a clear eye right now.
51:08A lot of people have pointed it out. I saw Ben Solak from ESPN did a great video on it.
51:13It's it's mind breaking, brain breaking, like pain inducing to watch Bo Nix play quarterback right now, which, you know, again, I
51:19think we got the role change for Jalen Waddle 100 percent right.
51:23I think he's the clear runaway in terms of like first read targets on the team.
51:27He's the guy they want to build around. The problem is just the quarterback is playing way worse than he has.
51:33He's always had some of these bad habits, but now he's become a worse version of himself.
51:38Hopefully that just gets fixed. Like that's pretty much the story.
51:41That's the coping story. You have to tell yourself the hopium story with Jalen Waddle right now in fantasy.
51:46But yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. I pointed people to drafting Jalen Waddle.
51:50I drafted Jalen Waddle. I'm not enjoying it. And I, you know, I apologize to people who followed our advice, Boone, because
51:56it's it's not been fun right now. That is for sure.
51:59Yeah. And I don't know that there's much more to say on it, Harmon.
52:03I think you nailed it. I have no notes to add there.
52:06All right. Well, then let's get to an offense.
52:09It's a little bit easier to talk about. Saints offense comes in from Dom V.
52:13Perhaps this was me setting the bar a bit too high for them in my head.
52:18And I know that Brian Flores is an evil genius.
52:20But how worried are you about the ceiling of the Saints offense and Chris Olave?
52:25I mean, I'm pretty much like no panic for Chris Olave.
52:28Tyler Shuck, maybe some panic because, you know, he's got this broken hand situation that he's dealing with that he's been kind of cagey about.
52:35You know, the coach. He's has a little cagey about it.
52:38For some reason, the producers wrote Saints running back panic meter level on the outline.
52:42I mean, who cares? Like if you're starting a Saints running back, you're a fantasy.
52:46You're either in a disgusting deep league or your fantasy team is screwed.
52:50So really, I think this is about Chris Olave, Tyler Shuck.
52:53I'm pretty close to no panic on any of these guys.
52:56Do you feel differently? Definitely no panic on Olave.
52:58And I mean, yeah, one bad week in a tough matchup is not going to make us get worried about him.
53:04The only thing that might is that Tyler Shuck injury.
53:07And we're going to have to figure out if that's going to cost him any time or impact him in any way
53:13because it didn't look great last week. It was the mix of both that matchup against the Vikings and having to play through that hand injury.
53:21It's not as throwing hands. So, you know, maybe not quite as concerning, but it's still a problem.
53:26If you're a quarterback out there trying to compete at a high level and you're dealing with a serious injury.
53:31We don't have all the details on it yet, though.
53:34So we'll be monitoring that one this week. But I mean, for Olave, it's been what, like 15 plus fantasy points every week before this week?
53:41Like, let's be pretty happy with that. And I imagine that's going to continue as long as Shuck's not going to miss any sort of like massive time.
53:49The only real concern with me for Shuck would be the injury as well.
53:53So, yeah, I mean, some panic, I guess, because he is hurt and he's not giving us the details.
53:58And the fact that he was cagey about it is a little bit concerning.
54:02But I want to believe that's just him being like a good soldier, right?
54:06Like he's just maybe listen to the coach telling him don't give out information.
54:10And he's just trying to be that guy. So fingers crossed that Shuck's going to be all right.
54:15And then, I mean, should we just like, you know, administratively put the Saints backs in the coping corner?
54:21I know you're saying it doesn't really matter here, but like, yeah, like they should probably be in there.
54:26We don't need to talk about this. And we don't need to talk about it even when Travis H is back because
54:32when he comes back, even before he was gone.
54:34Yeah. OK, there you go. So it's, yeah, three, three back system, a committee all the way.
54:39It was that when he was there. It was been that since he got hurt.
54:43Kamara is not the same guy. He's not able to hold up to these workloads.
54:48He dealt with an injury. That's why this week it didn't look the same.
54:52He wasn't getting the same kind of volume. And let's face it, Monday night, a couple of weeks ago, he got lucky with the touchdowns.
54:59Right. So, yeah, I don't love hearing you make those comments, but it is true because I did have to start Kamara
55:05in that game in the expert league. But, man, I got lucky having him in my flex in the one game where he scores two touchdowns.
55:12I did not have to play him this week.
55:15So fortunately, it all worked out there. But, yeah, all of these guys to the coping corner in that backfield.
55:20Yeah. OK, here's an interesting one to talk about.
55:23I'm not really sure where I stand on it, so I'm curious where you're at.
55:27Email from Eddie G who wants to dissect this particular running back tier.
55:30Let's call it the back end RB1 tier guys that were drafted ninth to 18th overall.
55:35These guys were deemed great value, but there's only been three right answers and three very, very wrong answers.
55:40Congrats if you drafted Ken Walker, Derek Henry, or to a lesser extent, Ashton Gentry.
55:44I'm sorry if you drafted. You should be totally panicking on Chase Brown, Amarian Hampton, Saquon Barkley, or Devon A-chan.
55:50Obviously, A-chan probably wasn't going to be a good pick there anyways, but he obviously got hurt.
55:55What can you do? I don't know. Ollie Gordon now.
55:58I mean, A-chan just had to get him out of there.
56:01Now Ollie Gordon's got them cooking, putting an egg on our face every single week, Boone, talking about him off the waiver wire.
56:07So I don't know. A-chan, that maybe was going to be a loss anyways, but got hurt.
56:12What can you do? Saquon Barkley, same thing. Probably some process mistakes to have him in this area, but nevertheless, just things have gone completely wrong.
56:19You couldn't have predicted a lot of this stuff there either.
56:22Hampton, yeah. Hampton, I mean, I said this in preseason.
56:25He was like, why are you drafting Hampton? Hoping he's going to become Derek Henry.
56:29We can just draft Derek Henry. I still had him ranked as a top 30-ish player or whatever.
56:34So again, ultimately still a bad pick for sure in this spot.
56:38That's why he's in the coping corner. Chase Brown, though.
56:40That's an interesting one here. Where are you at from a panic meter standpoint on Chase Brown, who right now is the
56:47running back 18 in points per game? Samaj P.
56:49Ryan got involved. He's been kind of annoyingly involved here to the point that Chase Brown only has a 74% share of
56:55the running back touches so far for the Cincinnati Bengals.
56:58And he has zero touches inside the two-yard line, 33% inside the five-yard line.
57:02Where are you at on Chase Brown, who's been not a complete bust, but definitely disappointing relative to cost?
57:07I'm at some panic because obviously it hasn't been great.
57:10I think we can explain some of it away with the matchups, which we knew were going to be tough early in the season.
57:17I wrote about him as a buy low candidate.
57:19I thought last week would be a game where he would finally blow up and then he has the fumble.
57:25But if we look at the usage in the weeks before that, and even before the fumble happened in that game, it was all right, Harmon.
57:32He's been playing 76% of the snaps to just 17 for Pirine.
57:36And then in this game before the fumble, it was still 71% of the snaps to 29 for Pirine.
57:41And yeah, Pirine's been like kind of annoying before that, but then the fumble happens and that's when everything flips, right?
57:47Pirine goes to 73% of the remaining snaps. Brown to 48 because they were using them like in the slot a little
57:53bit and stuff and having Pirine in the backfield on some of those snaps.
57:57So he has a bye week this week. I think his manager is probably very upset with what they've gotten so far
58:03and where they had to take him in the second round.
58:06And he hasn't really lived up to that. I'm still buying.
58:09I think this is going to be unpopular, Harmon, but I am still buying him here.
58:14Remember what happened with Ramondre Stevenson a couple of weeks ago, right?
58:17He had the fumble in that game. Everybody was like so worried all the fumbling issues here.
58:22He's going to lose his job. It's going to be Travion Henderson time.
58:25And what happened the next week? Stevenson comes back.
58:28He's the lead back again. And now, I mean, Henderson's a little banged up.
58:32So we'll see how that goes. But it's not like they just wrote him off because he had a fumble.
58:37I don't think that's going to happen here either.
58:40Chase Brown is still the best back in this backfield.
58:43Will Pirine be annoying the rest of the season?
58:45Yes. But I think better days are going to come here for Chase Brown, right?
58:50And if you look at the matchups in the opening month, Bucs, Texans, Steelers, and Jags, some pretty tough run defenses there.
58:56In the one good one that he gets the Dolphins, that's the game that he fumbles.
59:00Yeah. Coming back from the buy, Harmon, I was talking to producer Colin today about some buy low running back options.
59:06And I didn't really get his take on Brown.
59:09I mentioned Brown as a guy that I'd be looking at.
59:12Bashaw Tootin is like the one that just has the lights all around him.
59:16Go get him. There's so much more there. He's in a great offense.
59:19He is going to be fantastic. So if you can convince someone to buy low on him, I would do that.
59:25But Brown's also on that list for me. And I mean, if you look at it like RB 38 through five games
59:31last year, remember what the problem was? There was the burrow injury, but also some very tough matchups.
59:36He was averaging just 8.1 fantasy points per game through those first five weeks.
59:40And then from week six on RB nine averaging 17.3 fantasy points per game and half PPR this year, RB 21 and half PPR averaging 10.6.
59:47So we'll see where this goes after the buy.
59:50But I still think there is a lot of ceiling.
59:53He's going to be better. Harmon, I'd be trying to buy low here because I'm imagining that most managers that are holding him are pretty upset.
60:00Oh, yeah. I think you convinced me. I was a little more panic coming into this.
60:05I'm willing to leave it at some panic. I think that was a really good bit of analysis there.
60:10The only thing I'm just concerned about is that the Bengals are back to their usual ways where it's all gone.
60:16We've let go of the under center run game, which is what I thought might have helped Brown access a little bit more fantasy upside.
60:23But we've also seen Brown thrive in this exact same environment, even if the defense admittedly, is better this year than it
60:29has been in previous years where they could just kind of scam him targets consistently.
60:33So, yeah, right now he is running back running back 18 and points per game.
60:37I think he could climb up to maybe being a use like a more of a useful running back to do you think that's fair?
60:44Do you still see maybe a path to low end running back one output?
60:48No, I think we're probably beyond that. It's possible.
60:51Let's face it. It's possible. He did it last year.
60:54We could see that, but I think the realistic path is more towards him being like a top 15 guy or certainly
61:00a top 20 guy the rest of the season.
61:02And you can probably get him for less than that right now, especially with the bye week coming up.
61:08And it always factors in whether his manager has a winning or a losing record.
61:12If they've been struggling with him in their lineup, they probably have a losing record.
61:16They might need to win right away. That's a reason why you might be able to get him a little cheaper as well.
61:22Yeah, good trade target for teams that are already good.
61:25Maybe don't need a running back too, but maybe he becomes an awesome flex play for you.
61:30I like that for a particular trade target for those type of teams.
61:34And yeah, teams always do some self-scouting during the bye.
61:36Maybe the Bengals do a few things to kind of tweak the levers in their run game and get Chase Brown going because certainly been disappointing so far.
61:44Okay, we're going to take our first quick break.
61:47We come back. We're coming back with more of your submissions to the Panic Meter.
61:51We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
61:54Let's get back into your submissions to the People's Panic Meter, starting with another Colson Loveland suggestion.
61:59This is like become Colson Loveland Monday, as producer Colin was saying during the break here.
62:03Kat Sager just sends in Loveland is cooked. I will say, Boone, I'm willing to go total panic on Loveland still, but
62:09I'm going to hold off on Coping Corner on any of these bears.
62:13I'm going to go total panic on the pass catchers until we see like a longer stretch with Caleb Williams.
62:19I know that obviously we had some games with Caleb Williams to start and Colson Loveland wasn't doing anything.
62:24But ultimately, I'm not. I just feel like we're jumping the gun with any sort of these grand proclamations after this week
62:30five game when Tyson Bajan was terrible and case game just got in there and just checked the ball down and the
62:36bears kind of got dominated along the line of scrimmage.
62:39Like this is I mean, tail as old as time.
62:42Boone backup quarterback comes in, shows a little something.
62:44People start. I saw some think pieces about who Caleb Williams time to throw versus and, you know, no disrespect people doing
62:51this, but like Caleb Williams time to throw versus these other guys.
62:54And then the backup quarterback gets absolutely smoked in a game.
62:57That's his tail as old as time. I think we do need to see Caleb Williams with this team before we make any big proclamations.
63:04But I'm open to hearing your thoughts on Loveland if you feel differently.
63:08I'm also total panic. And I think you and I maybe spend too much time together because my take is pretty much the same here, right?
63:15You have that first game in week one with Caleb.
63:18And yes, it was awful. That was Loveland's worst game from a stat standpoint because it was all zeros across the board, right?
63:24He only had two targets. But then the next week, it's that rain out game.
63:28We can't really even consider that one. And that's the one where Caleb gets hurt.
63:33And then since then, it's been backups and they've just been getting by.
63:36Now, do I think that what we said last week is true, which is that this offense is going to spread it
63:42around more than we thought before the season? Yeah, I think that's kind of how we look at this thing now.
63:48The way it ended last year really seemed like Loveland was going to be a target hog, that he would at least
63:54be one of the top two guys in terms of targets in this offense.
63:58And last year when he was averaging double digit targets over the last four games, including the playoffs there, it really gave us some hope.
64:05So he's not going to be that guy. Can he still be a usable fantasy tight end, a low end fantasy tight end one?
64:12I definitely think that's still in play. So I'm not going to go coping corner yet either, even though it has been so bad.
64:19But what are you going to do? Are you going to drop him right now?
64:23Like, I don't think I would drop him. I'm holding him right now in the expert league.
64:28And I'm lucky enough to have George Kittle in that one because he fell and I didn't want anyone else to get him.
64:34So I ended up getting George Kittle. So I'm OK at the tight end position.
64:38But I'm holding on Loveland because better days are going to come for him.
64:42Maybe there'll be an opportunity for me to sell a little bit higher.
64:46And I think that's what other managers should do, should do, too.
64:49You can't sell him for for nothing right now.
64:52And you can't just outright drop him. Yeah, we did get a chat question in the chat from Chris Hernandez, I believe,
64:58who asked, is it time to move on from Loveland and Waddle?
65:01If so, who do you recommend I target one for one or in a trade package?
65:06Look, you can try to package these guys. Because everybody else has access to the Internet and they are not going to,
65:12you know, you're not getting anything good for Waddle or Loveland.
65:15Both of those guys I would recommend as either holds or, you know, maybe you buy them in like a trade package situation.
65:21If you can get something in that way is what I would do with it.
65:26I would recommend them being more so buys than then you should try to trade them away.
65:30You're not going to get anything good. Tell me if you feel differently, boom.
65:34But the one thing for Loveland here that is an issue, the like 89% route participation in week one.
65:40Every other game since then, it's 71%, 74%, 72%, 77%.
65:42He's just not like a priority player in the offense.
65:45Which to your point, I was willing to bet on all these Bears pass catchers because I thought the ceiling of the offense would be so high.
65:53And look, we've seen one full game with the starting quarterback and they scored 59 points.
65:57I know that these guys didn't pop off in that game, but the ceiling I think is still present when Williams is available.
66:04Even so, though, I don't think Loveland is a priority enough to like if we redrafted today, there's no way I would
66:10take him close to where I had him ranked going to the going into week one.
66:14I don't know. Would he go in the top 100 picks if we were drafting today?
66:19Like, I don't think so. Like, I don't know.
66:21Yeah, like I think he would be down drafted like tight end 10, tight end 12, probably, you know, ninth, 10th round kind of thing.
66:28Nowhere near where he was going, which was like fourth round.
66:31I haven't saw as early as the third round with some of the hype in the summer.
66:36So, yeah, the value now is way down. That's why you're going to sit on this and let's see Caleb back and where this goes.
66:43And I guess the one positive being the usage you talked about.
66:46That was the Caleb game when that was the case, right?
66:50It didn't turn into much because, like I said, there were no catches and two targets and it wasn't really the great
66:56volume that we would hope from him. But at least there was some usage there.
67:00And maybe with Caleb back, maybe it could go back to something close to that.
67:04So a little bit of hope enough to just keep him out of the coping corner for another week or two.
67:10Let's get Caleb back and see where this offense goes.
67:13Yeah, I'm just not going to put any of these guys in the coping corner or anything like that until we get
67:19some more games and more data with Caleb Williams, even in week one.
67:23Just a weird game overall. I will note the one thing that's just tough about this Bears offense right now.
67:28They are only like Roma Dunes is the only guy that is getting downfield targets and making downfield catches.
67:34He has a 13.7 average depth of target on his receptions.
67:37Luther Burden, 6.7. Khalif Raymond, 5.04. Colson Loveland, 4.4.
67:39They're not getting anything in terms of downfield productivity from these guys.
67:42Burden has not taken a step in that regard.
67:45Loveland is not taking a step in that regard.
67:48I think Caleb coming back fixes that. But the question is just like to how much?
67:52Because I mean, it's like, again, everybody's got a couple of drops here, like 50% contested catch rate for Burden, 50% for Loveland.
67:58Dunes actually has the highest contested catch rate, 75%.
68:01So it's just like, you know, we just got to see what this offense looks like from the Caleb Williams standpoint.
68:07Because like spoiler alert, folks, Tyson Bajan's not getting these guys to ball downfield.
68:11Neither is Case Keenum. Yeah, throw out these stats, Harmon.
68:14Like even rattling off stats from the first five weeks on this team.
68:17I think it's kind of pointless. I don't even want to do it.
68:21I want to see Caleb back out there and then we'll compare what happened in week one.
68:26We'll add in some new starts with Caleb and we'll see what those stats look like and then use that moving forward.
68:32I think that's right. Okay, next one here. Ashton Gentry, Blue 40 says, I thought I got a steal with Gentty in the fourth round.
68:39Now every week he's stealing my joy. I'm biting my nails over weekly injury reports, stressing over his efficiency, worried about him
68:45not finishing each game and clinging to Mike Washington Jr.
68:48on my bench like a life raft. I'm at total panic with Gentty just because like I want him to sit down for a few weeks.
68:55And the next guy we're going to talk about too, Jeremiah Love, who I'm actually more worried about from a fantasy standpoint.
69:01But I just wish these guys had, you know, they suffered the ankle injuries in the preseason.
69:06They came back for week one. Great. Now it just feels like it's going to be a thing all season long until
69:12we get these guys to just miss a couple of weeks.
69:15I mean, Gentty now is dealing with stuff beyond the ankle.
69:18Is that like compensation? I agree. Like I hate that we're having this conversation and they unfortunately do not have a bye until week 13.
69:25So it's not like Gentty is going to get a beat here anytime soon.
69:29It's not that Gentty has been a bad fantasy running back by any means.
69:33Yeah. I mean, he's still running back 11 in points per game.
69:36So he's been good, but it doesn't feel like it's trending in the right way.
69:41So again, I feel like I feel bad. I just wish he could take two weeks off Ashton.
69:46Come back and be great. I think that could really help here.
69:49But what's your level of panic on Gentty? Yeah, I'm total panic.
69:52And sometimes you worry that like with high ankle sprains is two weeks even enough.
69:57Like there have been running backs who've suffered ankle sprains and then it affects their efficiency like the rest of the season.
70:03Right. Like it's a very big problem. The other thing too with him, like we've seen his volume go down week after week here.
70:0929 touches in week one, 25 a week to 22, 21, 13 this week because it was a blowout.
70:15And I think they just decided there was no point in putting them out there.
70:19One like maybe little silver lining here. If he's healthy enough is he gets to go against my bills next week and
70:25the bills are going to be coming off a short week after the Monday nighter.
70:29They've been a pretty friendly matchup for opposing running back.
70:32So if he's healthy enough, let's see if he can take advantage in that one.
70:36And if he does, then we'll probably be okay.
70:39The ceiling outcomes might not be within reach unless he does actually like sit down for a little bit here.
70:44And unless he's forced to, it doesn't seem like he's going to.
70:48So if he goes out against the bills next week, if he can't take advantage of that good matchup, then I think we're inching towards coping corner.
70:55But right now it's total panic for me. The thing that I couldn't figure out, Harmon, is why did Mike Washington not get much work in this game?
71:03Why was Dylan Lobby? I know a lot of it came late when it was a blowout and they gave him a bunch of touches.
71:10But Mike Washington was not really used much in the first half, didn't get a lot of work in this game.
71:16That seems strange. I'm still recommending everybody should be holding him in case a gente injury happens.
71:21But I couldn't figure out why he wasn't used to get more touches in the first half.
71:26Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know. I don't really know why they're not using.
71:30I mean, this is running back opportunities. We're showing on the screen here.
71:3416 for Gentry, 7 for Dylan Lobby, 2 for Mike Washington.
71:37I don't know why Washington's not getting more work to just give Gentry like a breather, you know, lessen his load for a little bit.
71:44I do kind of think it makes sense when they fall totally behind.
71:47Like Mike Washington's not a passing down back and Dylan Lobby is kind of a passing down back.
71:52So I think the game script is a part of it here.
71:56So Washington is a guy that maybe we were hoping could have some standalone what the heck flex type value.
72:01I don't really think that's possible. He's just a really good bench hold if Gentry was to ever miss time, which again,
72:08I thought this week they might give him a week off.
72:11Like, can we show the quote that we had earlier from Clint Kubiak and Ashton Gentry both talking about his injuries?
72:17Because I think this really tells the whole story here with Ashton Gentry.
72:20Shout out producers. That was great work. Clint Kubiak on whether Ashton Gentry was hampered by injury.
72:25Yes, Ashton is beat up and it's a testament to how tough he is that he's out there playing today for his teammates.
72:31Gentry follows it up by saying, unless I can't run, jump, I'm playing.
72:35And I think this is just one of those things here where this is the way they feel about it.
72:41Do I think it's maybe smarter? It's week six of a season where the Raiders are good.
72:45They're punching above their weight, but we can maybe take the long view with this player.
72:50I think it probably would be smart, but right now this is a competitive team and they think that having Ashton Gentry
72:56out there gives him a chance to win and the player is always going to want to play.
73:01And so it's just kind of it is what it is from a fantasy standpoint, Boone.
73:05I thought it was quite low on him last week.
73:08I had him at RB 16 and even that really wasn't low enough, right?
73:12So good matchup with the Bills. I got to get need even the rankings and figure out here where I want to have him next week.
73:19But it seems like he's got to be more in that maybe high end RB two range at best.
73:25I don't think we have that RB one outlook for him at the moment, just based on the way he's playing.
73:31And the fact that at any given moment here, he might not be able to run or jump or any of it if his injuries get worse.
73:38All right. So we're going to stay on the same theme here with Jeremiah.
73:42Love. I mentioned this earlier. Jesse Freeman said, Jeremiah.
73:45Love. I thought he was supposed to break out, not break down.
73:48I'm going to make the case that Jeremiah Love should go in the coping corner here.
73:53I think this is so stupid of me to do this.
73:56Like he's a really talented player. They took him third overall the whole deal.
74:00This could easily come back to bite me in the butt.
74:03But he's running back 25 in points per game.
74:05He had the quote where he said this is going to be the longest year of his life.
74:10I think that is just basically him fighting through injuries.
74:13That's my that's the way I read that is it like he trained for the combine.
74:17That's a push on your body. Now he's got to come in here.
74:21He has this injury in the preseason. You know, the whole deal with all of that.
74:26I just don't know that he's going to be ever be 100%.
74:29And this is a team that has kind of sort of taken the long view with Jeremiah Love.
74:34So to me, I feel like he is a guy that next year is going to be a great year for him.
74:40But this year, man, I just ultimately think it's a bad team.
74:43He got kind of scripted out is my guess in this last game.
74:47And he's not 100% healthy. I don't know that we're going to get like an every week starter out of Jeremiah Love.
74:53Do you think I'm freaking out a little bit too much?
74:56I think he's a candidate for the coping corner.
74:59No, I'm coping corner right there with you. A couple other reasons why on top of like the usage dropping for, I
75:05think it's been three straight weeks now after he had that one good game and he flashed and it looked like, all right, he's coming on.
75:12He's going to take over this backfield. A couple other reasons are you mentioned with Gentry, his bye week is week 13.
75:18Maybe he'll get some rest then for Love. It's week 14.
75:22So he's not getting any rest coming up here unless they sit him down.
75:25And then we keep talking about the schedule for this Cardinals offense, right?
75:29Next up is going to be the Rams in week six, Broncos in week seven, Seahawks in week nine, Rams again in week 10, Chiefs in week 11.
75:37Like that schedule is doing him no favors. So I'm very concerned.
75:40Yeah, I think he should be in the coping corner at this point.
75:44All right. Next running back here, Cam Scadaboo, the OG KTG said, I'd be panicking very hard about Cam Scadaboo, especially in Dynasty.
75:50I don't know who the Giants RB1 is in 2027, but he's not on the roster right now.
75:55Now, this past week, Cam Scadaboo is running by 24 in points per game this year, not getting the passing work that
76:02we thought or certainly that he I didn't. I didn't think he was going to be like great of a pick this
76:08year anyways, but he has 12 targets through the first five weeks.
76:11Najee Harris started mixing in last week. Like, you know, these other back, these other backs are getting involved here, which maybe you think is a bad idea.
76:19I don't know. I think Cam Scadaboo is a guy that should be in the coping corner.
76:24Like he's not going to be what we thought he was going to be this year from a fantasy standpoint because he doesn't have the passing game role.
76:32They're kind of mixing in these other backs. And I mean, this offense with Jameis, Jameis is not checking down to the
76:38running backs over and over again like we saw last week, and he doesn't have access to the goal line.
76:43Like, tell me why Cam Scadaboo should not be put in the coping corner.
76:47Yeah, I mean, for me, it was total panic, but he is also somebody that I drafted a little bit of, and I was pushing for him.
76:55I had a bold prediction before the season that I thought he could be a top 15 fantasy back this year.
77:01It does not look like that's going to happen.
77:03And yeah, it's not just Najee Harris getting involved.
77:06We even saw Tyron Tracy Jr. get involved this week.
77:08Najee had six touches. Tyron Tracy Jr. had six touches.
77:11They're eating into that potential upside. One of the cases for Scadaboo was that he was going to have a ton of volume this year.
77:18And I know things changed a little bit when Jackson Dart went down for the season, but man, I'll allow it.
77:24Like, I can't really make a strong case to keep him out of the coping corner.
77:29He is not going to provide the upside that we thought.
77:32Maybe he could still be that low end RB two for you, but he's dangerously falling into that high end RB three
77:38range with a bunch of players that we don't love, like the JK Dobbins of the world.
77:43So yeah, if you want to go coping corner, I can't really make a case against it.
77:47Yeah. I mean, look, just because these guys in the coping corner doesn't mean you need to drop them or, you know, you can't ever start.
77:55It's still sad, Harmon. And it's still sad to see it happen to a guy that we like.
78:00We placed J we put Jalen Waddle in the coping corner along with his entire offense.
78:04After I said, this guy might be the most mispriced player in fantasy football.
78:08Yeah, I was right. He should have not been drafted nearly as high as he was.
78:13So trust me. I get it. I'm not enjoying this exercise either, but we are six.
78:17We are five weeks into the season. Now we do have to start making some tough calls.
78:22I do want to say the one thing in this message in here, this email that the Giants RB1 is not on this team.
78:29I totally agree with that. And I have a friend who has this really intricate keeper league and he's talked about Scadaboo a whole bunch.
78:36And I keep saying that same thing where it's just like, I don't know that long term he has that much of a fantasy future.
78:43I don't know that he's forever going to be that guy.
78:46But I thought this year, based on the players they had in that backfield, that he could get a ton of volume
78:52and it's not really working out like we hoped.
78:54And I always will come back to this. There were all these rumors in the offseason that they wanted Jeremiah Love.
79:00They wanted Kenneth Walker. I think it's just never been like totally settled on Scadaboo.
79:04And he talked about it that after there are 11 guys on the team who are screaming at you, telling you you messed up.
79:11It's your fault. You sold the game. It sucks for the late fumble that he had there.
79:16Maybe that doesn't buy it. Like maybe they try Najee Harris even more next week.
79:20Again, it's not something I would do, but it is what's going on in New York right now.
79:25Okay. Another player to talk about here, Michael Wilson.
79:28Alex L said, crazy take subject is what he sent in with the email.
79:32And I like this. If Michael Wilson stays as the X in the offense with Brissette, I'm panicking that he will go
79:38down to wide receiver three territory after being a high end wide receiver two.
79:42FF bars said Michael Wilson. He was supposed to enter elite territory.
79:45I'm worried that the Paris Johnson injury might have just cooked that offense in a Chargers S kind of way though.
79:51Okay. I'm going to say a couple of things about this, then I'm going to toss it to you.
79:56I have no panic on Michael Wilson. Number one.
79:59Number two. I am worried about the Paris Johnson injury.
80:01That's a good point. What's not a good point is he was supposed to enter elite territory.
80:06No, he's not. Nobody ever said that. Anybody with a brain did not think Michael Wilson was about to be elite receiver in fantasy football.
80:13But, you know, I still think he will be a wide receiver two.
80:17Like, I mean, when we talk about this on fantasy football live, I said like top 20 receiver rest of season for Michael Wilson.
80:24So I don't think he's going to go down to wide receiver three territory to the original email that said because he's
80:30going to stay as the X receiver. He was the X receiver in the offense last year with Jacoby reset.
80:35Like we know he can play X. That's actually where he thrived.
80:39I'm not worried about the X receiver stuff for Michael Wilson.
80:42I actually think that's kind of his best position.
80:44So definitely totally get it. This is like the Josh Downs thing from last week when he's in a really good matchup.
80:50Everybody expects him to do well and he doesn't come through.
80:54It feels extra frustrating. I certainly thought he was going to have a big day against the Lions.
80:59He did not was wrong about that, but his rest of season outlook, I don't think changes too much because of this one down week.
81:06Do you think I'm over or under thinking it?
81:08No, I mean, he had good games the two weeks before that seven catches for 95 and then 11 for 89 and one.
81:15He's tied with CD lamb, six most targets on average this season, 10.2.
81:18So no, we're not worried about him. He is going to be fine.
81:22Yeah. Anyone who thought that he was going to be elite, I think was fooling themselves, but I think there's a chance he could still flirt.
81:29Like you're saying top 20. I think we could potentially see him be like a top 15 guy.
81:34The rest of the way, it's just one down game.
81:37And you always mentioned this. Even the best receivers out there have down games.
81:41It's the nature of the position. So yeah, it was a great spot.
81:44He didn't come through, but he's going to be fine.
81:47No panic. Yeah. I'm not too worried about that.
81:50Okay. Last one. We'll talk about here. Josh downs, Jay Fowler underscore 13.
81:53Josh downs catches by weeks have been two, seven, five, three, three, and they have nobody else.
81:58But Tyler Warren, where the scheme to up touches, there's not going to be any scheme to up touches for Josh downs
82:04because number one, he's a smaller player. They're not going to let him get banged around like that.
82:09He's also their best downfield receiver at this point.
82:12I think he had a 16 average depth of target and 16 yard average depth of targeting this last game.
82:17They need him to hit these big plays. I still have some, I mean, there's gotta be some panic about Josh downs because the Colts offense sucks.
82:25And if you're a receiver that's playing in a bad offense, that's never good.
82:29That being said, I do think when you're looking at the Colts offense, when they go against some of these teams and,
82:35you know, we typically think about this, like, oh, secondaries and all that.
82:39I think with the Colts, with the way Daniel Jones is playing right now, these teams like Washington who blitz a lot
82:45and can mucky like muck things up up front.
82:47And that's a problem. Pittsburgh, same thing. Vikings in week seven, but there are still games for the Colts.
82:53Like, I think there'll be fine against the Titans in week six.
82:56I think there'll be fine against the Cowboys in week nine who are, what did I see?
83:01The producer sent me that Mike Patton is on the defensive staff.
83:04Now let's, let me just go ahead and say right now, that's not going to fix the Cowboys defense week nine for Dallas week 10 Miami.
83:12Like there, I think are still going to be some spots for Josh downs and this team.
83:16But again, some panic, if you think he's going to emerge in every week star, that is not going to happen here.
83:22I think it has to be total panic in terms of the way you're framing it there, right?
83:27Of him being like an every week starter. Cause from what we've seen, like he had those two games where he was over 70 yards.
83:34We talked about them on one of the shows and we just sort of said, like, you have to like readjust expectations.
83:41Any hope that he was moving into like that wide receiver to territory that went away, the 70 yard type games.
83:47That's more of like his ceiling. And can he do better than that?
83:50Yes. But that's kind of more his wheelhouse. And then the last two weeks, it's obviously been less than that.
83:56I think it puts him down more in like wide receiver three flex kind of territory.
84:00And to be honest, Harmon, we're going to get to the waiver wire soon here.
84:04You can pretty much find those kinds of guys every single week on the waiver wire.
84:09So the hope that Downs was going to become more than that, have like a breakout season.
84:14To me, that's all but evaporated. So it makes me have total panic in terms of what the rest of his season
84:20could look like, that he is going to just be this guy that as you laid out there is going to once
84:26in a while and good matchups maybe go off.
84:29But that's not going to feel great for you trying to figure out whether you should play him or not.
84:34And really, you could go to the waiver wire and probably find something comparable.
84:38So yeah, for me, it would be total panic.
84:41I think you're right about that. You've convinced me again.
84:43I will go total panic on Josh Downs. Just not going to happen this year the way we thought because, again, the offense is bad.
84:50And that's all there is to it. Maybe it'll get better if like Alec Pierce can come back late in the year.
84:56Maybe it'll get better if Daniel Jones gets healthier coming back from the Achilles.
85:00But right now, I don't see a lot of optimism here.
85:03And they're another team with a late bye to week 13 bye.
85:07It feels like every team that could use an early bye, like the Panthers and Chiefs were absolutely rolling with.
85:12I mean, obviously, Jalen Coker was missing a game for them.
85:16Rasheed Rice missing, maybe missing some time. He got hurt before the bye.
85:19But like for the most part, did those teams need to take a week off?
85:23They were kind of rolling. And they're the ones that got the week five bye.
85:28I think the Raiders and the Cardinals and maybe the Colts could have used an early bye week.
85:33Just real quick, do you have any concerns about Jonathan Taylor with the way this Colts offense is trending right now?
85:38And he's coming off like a slightly down week where maybe I'm only asking because I have him in my in my death league.
85:45And I was very nervous that I was going to get chopped because Jonathan Taylor had a slightly down week this week.
85:51Any concern about that? No, no serious concerns. Is he going to ever compete with the truly elite guys at running back?
85:58No, of course not. But is he still a very solid like top five, top six running back?
86:03He's going to be fine as long as this offense doesn't go off the rails, as long as Daniel Jones doesn't get hurt again.
86:09And I'm with you that like Alec Pierce, if he comes back and if he can give them something this year that could help all of these guys.
86:17Like, I think that could clear up some things for downs and make him more interesting and obviously would help the offense
86:23as a whole and make Jonathan Taylor a little more interesting as well.
86:27Yeah, look, I respect the hell out of Laquan Treadwell for, you know, hanging around and making a great career for himself.
86:33Yeah, I really don't need like a bunch of vertical targets to Laquan Treadwell at this point in my life.
86:39And that's where the Colts are at. Okay, this is the state of the coping corner coming out of week five.
86:45We have two entire offenses in the coping corner.
86:47Chargers, Broncos. Broncos maybe could get better. Chargers, it's not going to get better.
86:51We have a bunch of running backs in here.
86:53Jeremiah Love joins David Montgomery, Travis A-Chan, Cam Scadaboo.
86:56Also in the coping corner. Remember, J.K. Dobbins is in here already.
86:59His entire team has joined him. And then wide receiver wise, we have Brian Thomas Jr.
87:04and Mecca Ibuka. I think we made some good tough choices to put players in the coping corner who could maybe come back and bite us, Boone.
87:11But we'll see what happens. Yeah, and some guys that we like, too.
87:15That's what really hurts about this. But it's fine.
87:18It's going to be okay, Harmon. You were there to console me when we put Scadaboo in.
87:22And you were there to push me over the ledge when I was like, we should just put Jalen Waddell in the Broncos offense in the coping corner.
87:30Honestly, with the way Bo Nix is playing right now, it was cathartic.
87:34It was cathartic to put that entire Denver Broncos offense in the coping corner.
87:38All right. We're going to take a quick break.
87:40We come back. We get into the waiver wire target.
87:43Some positivity guys trending up. We'll get into that right after this.
87:46All right. Welcome to waiver wire targets presented by Duke Cannon, the soap that is virtually bench proof.
87:51Each week, we provide the top 10 list of Justin Boone's waiver wire targets and also some players that you should consider dropping.
87:58Boone, you teased this one earlier. Number 10 on the list.
88:01Broncos running back Jonah Coleman. Yeah, I want to talk about a bunch of players here.
88:05I'm going to cheat a little bit. Normally do a top 10.
88:09We're going to rope Coleman in with some other guys.
88:12These are all guys who are on IR right now.
88:14You could go pick them up. You throw them in your IR spot.
88:18It's not even costing you anything. Make sure you're using your IR spots.
88:22I see leagues all the time where I have mindful and there's guys on IR that I think should be picked up
88:28and no one's going out and getting them. There are extra roster spots for you to use.
88:33So make sure they are filled unless there's absolutely nobody of value.
88:36But some of these guys are out there. They have value.
88:39You look at Jonah Coleman as one of them.
88:42Jordan Tyson. I know he's rostered in about 49% of leagues right now, but he's going to come back at some point,
88:48probably the second half of the season here for the Saints.
88:51Very promising rookie. So make sure that he's rostered in your league.
88:54James Conner. He's 6% rostered. So he's available almost everywhere.
88:57Who knows what's going to happen here, Harmon, right?
88:59Like maybe he gets traded somewhere. Maybe Jeremiah love the injury stack up and he ends up missing time.
89:05And all of a sudden James Conner has some value.
89:08I'm holding James Conner in the expert league in a waiver spot, kind of hoping for that potential trade.
89:13So, yeah, let's put him in your IR and let's get him off waivers.
89:17So look at those guys. And then another guy, Jacoby Lane.
89:20The team's talking about maybe him being available and coming back this week.
89:24Ravens, promising rookie. Guy that was getting good usage before he got hurt in week one.
89:28Somebody else that you have to pick up. For Coleman, I said my piece on him earlier.
89:33He's eligible to come off IR in week seven.
89:35He's still out there in 70% of leagues. You can get him.
89:39And I think in the second half of the season, we could see him get another opportunity.
89:43Remember when the injuries popped up before he got hurt?
89:46He looked all right with his touches, right? He found the end zone in that game.
89:51So let's see if he gets an opportunity. I think all those guys, Harmon, though, my main point here is they should
89:57be rostered in way more leagues than they currently are.
90:00Yeah, I think that makes total sense. Like 49% roster for Jordan Tyson.
90:03He should be on IR spots at the very least for sure.
90:07I mean, these guys can certainly come back and help you.
90:10So, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
90:13Jonah Coleman, man, just, you know, he could really be something that helps this Broncos offense.
90:17I don't think he'd be a full-on savior, but maybe Bo Nix can play a little bit steadier if there's a run game that's actually on schedule.
90:25That has certainly not happened in Denver so far.
90:27Okay, number nine on the list, quarterback position, Kirk Cousins of the Raiders.
90:31It's always tough to, like, figure out where to put the quarterbacks because it's a little more specific.
90:36It's like, do you need a quarterback? Is your quarterback on by?
90:39So the way these guys, again, some of the other players in the top 10 is difficult.
90:44Well, I normally don't even want to put them in here, but this might tell you kind of how bad the waiver
90:50wire is this week that I'm talking about IR players.
90:53And we have two quarterbacks on this list, not one and not zero.
90:56But for Cousins. Yeah, there's like one good pickup.
90:59Spoiler alert, folks. There's like maybe one or two on this list of top 10 players.
91:03Yeah, maybe one, maybe two. We could make an argument for.
91:07But yeah, let's not ruin it here, Harmon, right?
91:09We got some interesting guys that we could talk about.
91:12And for Cousins, he is coming off his worst game of the season and he went up against the Patriots defense.
91:18It wasn't nearly as good as it was before that.
91:21But prior to that, like he was playing all right.
91:23Top 10 fantasy quarterback on the season through for multiple touchdowns in all four of his first games for the first four games for the Raiders.
91:31The game against the Bills next week. I teased it a bit.
91:34We were talking about Ashton Gentry. This game, very high scoring potentially, right?
91:38Tied for the highest projected point total on the slate.
91:4052.5. That Bills defense, not a very strong one.
91:43So it's only a matter of time before Fernando Mendoza shows up here and takes over.
91:47We saw him get out there in the blowout this week, which I think was another reason probably why Dylan Lobby was
91:54playing late in the game to try to protect Mendoza a little bit in that one.
91:58But Mendoza, I imagine will play in the second half of the season at some point.
92:03Right now, though, this is Kirk Cousins offense, and he was a pretty good fantasy starter for the first four weeks.
92:08I think last week was more of a blip on the radar, and he's going to get back after it against the Bills.
92:15And you really hate that Bills defense, huh? Yeah, man.
92:18Yeah, they got a lot of work to do here.
92:20They really do. And I don't really think maybe this is my maybe this is my reverse jinx thing that I had
92:27last year with tight ends before the Monday nighter.
92:29Right. The Bills are playing Monday night against the Rams.
92:32Maybe that defense will look fantastic in that game now, and then I'll be eating my words.
92:37That was not really a reverse jinx. That was just like a straight up jinx last year with the tight ends.
92:43So we'll see what happens on that. But yeah, no, I mean, they don't have a matchup advantage when it comes to
92:49Brock Bowers or, you know, the way they move him around the passing game.
92:53Do the Buffalo Bills for this week? Not for this week six matchup.
92:56So, yeah, I like her cousins as a quarterback streamer here.
92:59OK, number eight. Raheem Sanders of the Cleveland Browns.
93:02Sell this one to me, Boone. Well, this is sort of just a placeholder to talk about the Browns backfield because Quinshawn
93:08Judkins, he gets banged up in this game. After the game, he's in a boot on his right foot.
93:13Now, remember, that's the same side that he had the season ending ankle injury last year.
93:18So you start to get worried about that. Todd Monkens calling him day to day.
93:22I don't know how confident I feel. We'll see what his practice participation is this week and whether he can play or not.
93:28The funny thing about this is that Raheem Sanders also got hurt in this game.
93:33He injured his hip. So we'll have to find out if he's healthy enough to play this week because the normal number
93:39two back already got hurt earlier this season. That's Dylan Sampson.
93:42And I thought when Dylan Sampson got hurt initially, it was a knee injury that they had talked about.
93:47Like, it's going to be a couple months for him.
93:50But Todd Monkens today saying that there's a chance that they could open his practice window this week.
93:55I still think we're probably a couple weeks away from that happening.
93:58But this all just boils down to we're going to have to pay attention to this backfield.
94:03We're going to have to see what the injuries look like and what the updates throughout the week look like here.
94:09With Sampson out, Raheem Sanders has got an opportunity.
94:12I think he's looked all right in some of his touches that he's gotten.
94:15It's very limited opportunity, but still. So if Judkins can't play in this game, if Sanders is healthy and if Sampson is
94:22not activated this week, there's many things we have to consider here, Harmon.
94:25If all those things come down, then we have Sanders as a potential RB3 that you could play for fantasy.
94:31If Judkins and Sanders can't suit up and if Sampson is still not back, then we're really getting desperate.
94:36Now you're into like Jaleel McLaughlin. Jaleel McLaughlin, baby.
94:39Jare Patterson's on their practice squad. Like it's going to look kind of ugly at that point.
94:43I don't know if you're really going to want to get mixed up in that.
94:48But if we did get a Sanders start, Rocket Sanders could be kind of interesting.
94:52Yeah, I'm open to it. Baltimore's pass defense and rush defense from a coverage standpoint, their pass defense is good.
94:57They have had real issues putting pressure on the quarterback so far, especially on Sunday night against the Atlanta Falcons.
95:03They had issues early on with that one. So this could be a decent Deshaun game.
95:08But I would guess Casey Concepcion probably misses this game after a brutal hit as well.
95:12So that might even push more of kind of the layupy touches to the backfield here if they have to go down that route.
95:19Okay, number seven, Kamani Vidal, one of the heads of the three-headed despicable monster there in the Chargers backfield.
95:24Yeah, you'd never know who it's going to be.
95:27And again, we said the waiver wear this week, not a ton of players that were super excited about.
95:32But we have to talk about Kamani Vidal because this is legitimate now.
95:36Last week, this turned into a total three-man committee.
95:38Snaps were split almost evenly. Unfortunately, this week, it happened again.
95:41That was not a blip on the radar last week.
95:44This is real. This is how they're going to approach this.
95:47It's a hot hand committee. And Kamani Vidal was the one that actually got the most snaps in this game.
95:53He was the one that had the most success, 57 yards and a touchdown, only eight carries here.
95:58So again, this isn't a guy running away with this backfield.
96:01But his snaps have increased, at least for him.
96:03Things are headed in the right direction, 7%, 10%, 25, 35, 42.
96:07So his role is growing. It's not happening for Omerian Hampton.
96:10He has been reduced. He's still getting a decent amount of touches.
96:13But his role is reduced to just being in this three-headed committee here.
96:17You don't feel great about starting any of these Chargers backs.
96:20But Kamani Vidal has gone from someone that was just a pure backup stash option to a guy that you could put out there as an RB3 flex.
96:28The Chargers offense, I know they're in the coping corner, so we don't talk about them.
96:32But it is crazy how down bad it's gotten for this team.
96:35They're truly running out a preseason offensive line. Cole Strange, the guy that was on paper the worst starter of the five, he's the only one that's healthy.
96:43That's where the offensive line is at. So there's that.
96:46And then, I mean, we were both excited about, like, oh, let's see what Trey Harris can do.
96:51Injured right away. I mean, not right away, but injured pretty early on in that game.
96:56They're throwing to, like, MVS and Darius Davis, just complete preseason wide receivers.
96:59And then it's Kamani Vidal, who's supposed to be their kind of, like, pass down back, ripping off an explosive run.
97:05And Justin Herbert is still so bad you can't even really defend him because he makes, like, an indefensible mistake multiple times late in the game.
97:12It's shocking how bad it's gotten for the Chargers that we're talking about Kamani Vidal on the waiver wire.
97:18The antidote here is a trip to face the Chiefs on the road with the Chiefs coming off a bye.
97:23So maybe I should have told people to go out and actually pick up the Chiefs defense with this spot.
97:29Maybe that should have been number seven on the list.
97:32I think they're over the 50% rostered mark. But, yeah, the Chiefs defense is definitely going to be the top defense next week.
97:38If you're watching us on YouTube, you're obviously seeing this.
97:41If you're listening to us on audio, the producers have shown the three-headed dragon meme with Kamani Vidal and Keaton Mitchell as the two fierce dragons.
97:48Then Amarian Hampton is the goofy one. I'm not even sure if Keaton Mitchell and Kamani Vidal have done enough to be
97:54the fierce dragons, but we'll see how it goes.
97:57All right. Sixth player off the waiver wire, Pat Fryermuth, tight end, Pittsburgh Steelers.
98:01So we have two tight ends back-to-back here. One is getting a ton of volume, a ton of targets.
98:06One's kind of getting it done with touchdowns. And both are really making a case to be in the low-end tight end one conversation.
98:13This one's, yeah, Pat Fryermuth. We have all the injuries in the receiving core for the Steelers right now.
98:18So they need guys to catch the ball. We're going to talk about a receiver on their team at some point a
98:24little later here in the waiver wire segment. But Pat Fryermuth is getting it done.
98:29A ton of touchdowns this year, four touchdowns already.
98:31The opportunity is there. Aaron Rodgers clearly looking for him.
98:34So you look at him with a matchup against the Bucs, which is a nice matchup last week.
98:39You could definitely start him with bye weeks really hitting.
98:42We got four teams on bye. He's a guy that you could consider getting into your lineup.
98:46Yeah. Aaron Rodgers has talked him up. He likes him a little bit.
98:50Aaron Rodgers had some great things to say about one of the players we'll talk about later.
98:55And Jalen Warren, which was really encouraging here. Like we need Jalen Warren so firmly in the Aaron Rodgers trust zone because he's been so awesome.
99:02We do not need to see, you know, look, Rico Dowdle, nice complimentary back.
99:06We need to see more Jalen Warren. But we've seen a lot of Pat Fryermuth as a mismatch weapon, essentially kind of
99:12a slot based player for them when they get in these heavy personnel looks.
99:16And I mean, it just was bizarre that Fryermuth completely disappeared from the offense last year.
99:21So I actually think this has been a welcome sign so far.
99:24Yeah, that's great. And then we could move to the next tight end on the list here, too, which is Brent and Strange on the Jags.
99:31Another guy making a pretty strong case here. Eight, at least eight targets in each of the last two games.
99:37That's resulted in top 12 fantasy finishes, you know, seven for 95 in one of them, seven for 68 in the other.
99:43You know, there's obviously a lot of like non elite fantasy tight ends that are kind of vying for spots in the back end of the top 12.
99:51And like I said, I trust the guys more who aren't just like the touchdown merchants.
99:55I would rather have the guy who's getting that kind of volume, that kind of opportunity to come through, especially when it's
100:01in a really good offense, one of the best offenses in the league.
100:05So Brent and Strange, to me, is a guy that could absolutely be picked up.
100:09And let's hope that this kind of volume continues for him.
100:12And Strange was this close to like a big, big game last week.
100:16He got in on Sunday morning. He got tackled on the one yard line a couple of times watching that one.
100:22It was pretty clear. Like he's he might be their second most important pass catcher.
100:26You know, it's Parker Washington. Clearly, number one. He's a stud.
100:29But it's not Brian Thomas Jr. Obviously, Dakota Myers has his role.
100:33Josh Cameron has his role. And then it's Brent and Strange who they gave a contract extension to.
100:38They really, really like him. I'm I'm a big fan of what I've seen from Strange so far.
100:43I kind of think he is a he's trending towards every week.
100:46Just tight end one to me right now. Yeah, absolutely.
100:49If you drafted guys like Colson Loveland and you're worried about it right now, I think Brent and Strange is somebody that
100:55at least is getting the kind of volume that we thought Colson Loveland was going to get.
101:00So he could be somebody you consider starting in your lineup over those kind of players.
101:04All right. Number four on the list. We're back into quarterback streamers.
101:08We're back into the scam zone here. Jameis Winston, New York Giants quarterback.
101:11Don't watch the games. Just look at the stats, Boone.
101:14Yeah, it doesn't necessarily look good, but it's hard to argue with the results here.
101:18Harmon, at least 250 passing yards and three touchdowns in each of the last two games.
101:23It's the Jameis experience, right? It's a wild. It's chaotic.
101:25It's scary at times. If you have him rostered and you're starting him in fantasy and yet he gets the Saints next week.
101:32It's going to be an uptempo matchup. We know how the Saints play.
101:36There should be opportunity here for another solid stat line.
101:38And this is more of a one week kind of start, right?
101:42I like to always highlight this. This isn't necessarily a guy that you're picking up and expecting he's going to be your long term option.
101:49But if you have bi-week issues, injury issues, Jameis in this one, you could get him into your lineup and then you
101:55just hope and pray that it's one of those weeks where the hat line looks good at the end of the day.
102:01Stop laughing. It's hard not to. We're talking about Jameis Winston as the fourth best pickup right now and going into week six.
102:07It's not great. It's not great. You're making a sale job here and you're laughing the whole way through it.
102:139.2 air yards per attempt for Jameis Winston in this past week's game.
102:17EPA per drop back. Yeah, it's solid. It was solid for Jameis.
102:20He put up some stuff. Okay. It could have been worse.
102:23Yards per completion, 9.9 Jameis Winston. He's pushing the ball.
102:26He's pushing the ball at this point to Malik Nabors who had, what, 20 targets in last week's game.
102:31Isaiah Likely. You know, so yeah, Jameis Winston gets to be the guy for now to throw to Malik Nabors.
102:37By the way, did you see your boy JJ McCarthy getting some like design rushing packages?
102:41Did you see that? Talk about. Yeah. Talk about a laugh.
102:44Okay. Like Giants coaching staff. Take those plays and just rip them up.
102:48Throw them in the trash. I don't need to see that ever again on my screen.
102:53Well, Jameis has been a top 12 fantasy quarterback each of the last two weeks.
102:57Let's hope we can keep this going because yeah, I don't want to see JJ McCarthy out there, whether it's in a part-time role, full-time role, anything.
103:04Let's keep the Jameis experience going. I'd rather see him start a game than in that rushing package weirdo stuff.
103:10And I don't want to see him start a game.
103:13Let's put it that way. Okay. Kendrick Bourne, your third pickup here of the week.
103:17Talk to us about Kendrick Bourne. Get a little bump here without Marvin Harrison.
103:21Yeah. I think that the real bump probably came for Jalen Brooks.
103:24He was the one who kind of saw his role change the most with Harrison, not out there.
103:29Cause Kendrick Bourne kind of already was ahead of Harrison in most of these games in terms of the amount of targets he was getting in stuff.
103:37But you like him again, when we talk about trying to go to the waiver wire and find like a, you know,
103:43a flex option, potentially a guy who could be a wide receiver three for you.
103:47I think that's where this comes in for Bourne.
103:50He's not going to be somebody that emerges as like a great starter every single week that you feel super confident having in your lineup.
103:57But, you know, he's doing all right here. I think he's been a pretty productive option so far.
104:02You know, catching five of his eight targets for 70 yards against the lions.
104:06And, you know, part of the reason maybe why we didn't see Michael Wilson come through with as big of a game as we expected in that one.
104:13But that's the second time this season that Bourne's reached those kinds of totals with 70 yards and with at least five catches.
104:20So some harder matchups are on the way here.
104:22I still think he's in that wide receiver four flex position based on the volume that he's going to get now with Harrison out of the way.
104:30Again, I just, I want to temper expectations. I don't want people to go out and spend a ton of their fob
104:36to get these guys, but certainly someone that can help during bye weeks can get into your lineup as even a wide
104:42receiver three out of desperation, but more likely a flex.
104:45Yeah, you could do worse. And, you know, Kendrick Bourne's a solid NFL player.
104:49I still think the offense is going to flow primarily through Trey McBride and Michael Wilson for sure.
104:54But Kendrick Bourne will have his moments. He knows the offense.
104:57We know the whole deal with Kendrick Bourne. Okay, number two player for this week, man, it's gotten so bad for the Eagles backfield.
105:04Damian Pierce, running back Philadelphia Eagles. Before I throw it to you here, Boone, Will Shipley has like a plantar fasciitis injury.
105:10So he got a little bump. He's out of the mix.
105:13I mean, the box score on the Eagles running backs is so depressing from this past week.
105:1840% of Will Shipley's runs went for zero or negative yards.
105:21Damian Pierce, 46% of his runs went for zero or negative yards.
105:24But Damian Pierce, with all that said, tell the people why they should pick up Damian Pierce.
105:29Well, we know how it works when it comes to running backs and fantasy, right?
105:33We're just chasing the volume. And right now with Barkley, with the hamstring, with Bigsby on IR, with Shipley now out as well.
105:40There's an opportunity potentially here. Now, Nick Sirianni said that he was hopeful today that potentially we're going to get Barkley and Devon Smith back.
105:47Again, coaches, players, they're often very hopeful. That doesn't always mean that we're actually going to see those players come that week's game.
105:53So we're going to have to monitor Barkley's status.
105:56Right now, you want to go out and get Pierce.
105:58He would be the next man up. It didn't look great in that game on Sunday for him.
106:03You have 14 rushing yards, 11 carries, negative two yards on two receptions.
106:07That's pretty brutal. But that was a matchup against the Jags, right?
106:10So his next opponent, the Panthers, they've given up at least 75 scrimmage yards to every starting running back that they face.
106:17So if that is Barkley, then we're going to feel pretty good about Saquon Barkley this week.
106:21Even though everything around him in that offense is crumbling, he'll have an opportunity to come through.
106:26If it's not Barkley, it's probably going to get Pearson.
106:29In that scenario, even with how bad things have been for the Eagles, based on the volume that he get, based on
106:35the matchup, I would look at him as a low-end RB2, potentially high-end RB3.
106:39All right. Well, we'll see. Maybe Jaden Blue can get in the mix.
106:43He's on the practice squad. Jaden Blue, maybe the Jaden Blue redemption arc starts now, Boone.
106:47How about that? Oh, no. I'm not very excited about that.
106:50And clearly, I'm not very excited about the waiver wire this week, except for this final guy, Harmon.
106:55Yes, yes. The number one player. Okay. Now this is going to get my juices flowing.
107:00I've been goofing around this whole waiver wire segment.
107:02Well, we're going to lock in for this last pickup, which is Jeremy Bernard, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver.
107:07Boone, tell us why he is number one on the list.
107:10Well, again, there's a bit of a theme with a lot of these players.
107:14A lot of them have been kind of injury-related.
107:17The Steelers receiving core is no different. Michael Pittman Jr.'s on IR.
107:20Roman Wilson now suffering a finger injury. He's going to be out for multiple weeks.
107:24So the opportunity has kind of opened up here for Jeremy Bernard.
107:28We know in this offense, it matters if Aaron Rodgers likes you.
107:31And it really seems like Aaron Rodgers does like him.
107:34There was a ton of stories, even going back to the offseason, about him and Rodgers, some quotes from Rodgers.
107:39He definitely has taken him under his wing. And Bernard seems up for the task.
107:44He wants to learn from Rodgers. And now when he's gotten his opportunities, he's producing it.
107:48We have the proof of concept here, right? Six catches, 80 yards in this game on nine targets in week five.
107:54Really like his potential here, right? He ran a season high 94% of the routes on Sunday.
107:59So to me, Harmon, this is a role that with all these other injuries around with DK Metcalf kind of being the
108:05only other receiver there, this really sets up nicely for him.
108:08Is he going to get that reception perception like stamp of approval?
108:11Oh, listen, the draft process. I kept calling him glue guy Jeremy Bernard, a pro ready, dirty work receiver who's just going
108:17to get the job done, knows the assignments. And so far, it sounds like Aaron Rodgers agrees that evaluation.
108:23The tweet we just had from Josh up there where it mentioned that Jim Nance said Aaron Rodgers, quote, likes Jeremy Bernard.
108:29He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
108:32This report from Nick Farborough covers the Steelers. This is the quote from him.
108:36Aaron Rodgers had an extensive quiz this week for Jeremy Bernard.
108:39Bernard said he asked about coverages in each situation.
108:42The Colts like to run by down a distance area of the field, their players and what their tendencies are by personnel
108:48groupings, how to run specific routes versus different coverages, hand signals and much more.
108:52It sounds like Bernard passed those tests from Rodgers with flying colors.
108:55QB coach Tom Art says it's not common for a rookie to earn that trust, but that trust has come a long way between Bernard and Rodgers.
109:03Quote, the quarterbacks came into one of our meetings this week and said they were just going on and on about how Germ knows the plan.
109:10They said he could call the plays just like a quarterback would.
109:13But this is the exact type of guy he was as a prospect, Boone.
109:17And yeah, Roman Wilson, he got hurt in this past week's game.
109:21But even as I was talking up like, oh, yeah, Roman Wilson could have a nice game here against the Colts.
109:27I even said this to you on Sunday morning.
109:29Jeremy Bernard is the Michael Pittman replacement. In the first quarter of this game, he played 13 snaps, nine routes, which both of those led the team.
109:37He's going to be this kind of big slot flanker receiver.
109:40I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Bernard ends up being the most productive Steelers receiver the rest of the season, like for whatever that's worth.
109:47Yeah. And when we talk about, you know, who is Aaron Rodgers happy with, who's in his doghouse, it certainly seemed like
109:53Michael Pittman was in that doghouse before the injury.
109:56So could this be something that lasts? So we talked about a bunch of guys where I'm mentioning waiver wire pickups that
110:02a lot of them you're just picking up for this week as a biweek fill in an injury replacement kind of thing.
110:08This is one where I could see this actually last and continue.
110:11And we could see him go on to continue being a starting fantasy receiver in your lineup.
110:16So going to bid a little bit more on this one.
110:19We're not breaking the bank, but I would definitely put a solid bid to get Bernard.
110:24Yeah, I really like Jeremy Bernard is again, not a not a guy that's ever going to come.
110:29I'm a superstar necessarily, but glue guy does. It could be he could end up being a Jacoby Myers type is what I would say about Jeremy Bernard.
110:37And that certainly sounds like a player that Aaron Rodgers is going to like sounds like Jeremy Bernard is a player that Aaron Rodgers does really like.
110:44Okay, real quick. Let's talk to the drop candidates here.
110:47If you want to get any of these superstars like Kamani Vidal or Raheem Sanders on your roster, these are the guys you can drop your quarterbacks.
110:55We've got Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold running backs, David Montgomery, Jadarian Price, Jonathan Brooks wide receivers.
111:00The aforementioned Michael Pittman Jr., Chris Godwin, Brian Thomas Jr., tight ends Jake Ferguson, Dalton Schultz.
111:04Boone, I don't know if there's anyone you want to specifically highlight here.
111:08I don't think there's anyone that anyone would disagree with you.
111:11I think BTJ is maybe still an interesting conversation just in case he gets traded.
111:15But otherwise, I think this is pretty straightforward here.
111:17Yeah, Bo Nix has been held under 15 fantasy points and four of his five games this season.
111:23Now he's going up against the Seahawks, so it doesn't look great there.
111:26Justin Herbert prays that he reaches 15 points in a fantasy game this year because he has been unable to do that
111:32in all five games so far, which is just mind-blowing that that offense is as bad as it is.
111:38But now he can at least blame it on those offensive line injuries and the receiver injuries and everything crumbling around him.
111:44David Montgomery, we know he's hurt now. Looks like he could miss some time, but even before that, he wasn't playing very well, right?
111:51His average is 32 scrimmage yards per game since that week one opener when he scored three touchdowns.
111:56And who did he score three touchdowns against Harmon?
111:58The Bills defense. They make everybody look good, so we're piling on them.
112:02And then Brian Thomas Jr., like we're not seeing it happen for him in Jacksonville.
112:06So, yes, if you are holding him, you are only holding him in hopes that he gets traded and gets an opportunity
112:12somewhere else because in Jacksonville, it's falling apart for him.
112:15I mean, one catch for eight yards, two for 17 and a touchdown to kind of save his day.
112:20And then this week, just all zeros. So limited playing time.
112:23Don't see it turning around in Jacksonville. He needs to go somewhere else and get a fresh start, kind of like Marvin Harrison Jr.
112:30It's just crazy how far it's fallen for Brian Thomas Jr., who, again, in this game only runs around on 59% of the dropbacks.
112:37I actually have been saying, like, maybe the Jags should probably just hang on to him because they're one of the best
112:43teams in the league and he presents some tactical value to them.
112:46I guess I'm not even really sure if that's going to be the case.
112:50But, yeah. Interesting waiver wire segment for sure. It's Jeremy Bernard and log out.
112:54Little big man 03 in the chat said, Boone is the goat.
112:57Totally agree. Boone is the goat. And I will stand by that to the end of my days.
113:02All right, Boone. Hell of a show. We did it.
113:05The People's Panic Meter. Coping Corner. We got a bunch of new guys in the Coping Corner.
113:10We'll see how that tracks. Hopefully we motivated Jalen Waddle out of the Coping Corner.
113:14We'll see how that goes. Bo Nix on primetime Thursday night football.
113:18What could possibly go wrong? In the meantime, subscribe to the channel because we've got a big show for you tomorrow.
113:23Data Dump Week 6 with a special guest co-host.
113:26That's right. That's going to be live right here at 4 p.m.
113:29Eastern. Until then, we are out.

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