0:00Big show for you here today. Yes, and truly it is a massive one week five offensive ecosystem check in we've got
0:06four weeks worth of data here so Nate Tice I go through all of the offenses in the NFL.
0:11How efficient are they? How are they getting it done?
0:14We talk schemes. We talk trends. We talk trending up.
0:17We talk trending down teams some really interesting teams in the top 10 of the offensive efficiency metrics right now Saints are getting pretty close.
0:24They're trending way up. Chiefs are back up there.
0:26Panthers are in there. We talk through those teams plus we talk teams that are on the other end not looking so great from an offensive standpoint.
0:34Then we preview Thursday Night Football Cowboys Bucks. Wish I could play some more Bucks pair players in this matchup.
0:39Probably not going to do it. But anyways, we talked through that game.
0:43Then Justin Boone joins the show for the week five flex fit check presented by verse all that and more come up on today's show.
0:50Let's get into it. What's going on everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:53Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast. It is a hell of a day to talk ball.
0:57It is a hell of a day to talk offensive ecosystems.
1:00It's a hell of a day to talk charts and graphs and metrics and data and what our eyeballs have been seeing
1:07on the film so far and joining me to do just that.
1:10Who else could it possibly be here on a Wednesday?
1:13It's Nate Tice. Nate, what's going on, man? Not too much.
1:16Yeah. Quasi quarter poll to sample size. It's growing.
1:18It's relevant. So no, very excited for this. I know we always hint at it right after the four four week show after week four.
1:25And then we can start talking about exactly what these teams are doing.
1:29But no doing great. Great to see you. Yeah, that is what we're going to be doing here today is going to
1:35be our quarter season offensive ecosystem check in. And like I said, we're going to have a ton of graphs and charts
1:41and fake Matt Harmon metrics that have come from my stupid little brain here.
1:45We're going to be talking about all of that stuff in the first part of the show.
1:49Then we've got a TNF preview between two offenses going in very different directions, Dallas Cowboys and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
1:55And then we will unfortunately have to say goodbye to Nate and then welcome in.
1:59And fortunately, being able to welcome in Justin Boone for the first flex fit check for all your flex plays here in week five.
2:06So we've got a busy show here today, Nate.
2:08So let's let's jump right into it. Like I said, every four weeks here on this show, we are going to go
2:14in and look at where offenses stand in the NFL right now.
2:18And I've mentioned this metric many times. My little Frankenstein offensive efficiency score combines a bunch of the metrics that I like to look at.
2:25Here's what goes into the score. You're seeing it on the screen right now.
2:29If you're watching us on YouTube again, all the metrics that I like.
2:32So we've got drop pack EPA rushing EPA points per drive drives that ended to score success rate overall and explosive play rate.
2:39I know you've got the suplex rate. I don't even have a name for this.
2:43I'm just calling it offensive efficiency. Okay, so I'm trying to do a little bit of like we've got success rate and
2:49the explosive play and some other metrics like how often you're scoring so that it doesn't punish one team.
2:54That does it stylistically different than the others. One of these kind of all right, we control the ball.
2:59We move it down the field or you're just this explosive big play team.
3:03So I think, you know, I think looking at this, Nate, we've got the 49ers at one.
3:08We've got the bills at two and we've got the Titans at 31 and the dolphins at 32.
3:13I think we passed the smell test here with this one.
3:16Yeah, I think you did. I know that sometimes even when I'm looking at certain stats, like so sometimes like next gen
3:22stats and true media will have like inverse of each other, like how to read the stats.
3:27And then sometimes I'll just look at other stats like that.
3:30I see on there and go like, that's kind of the smell test check.
3:34And it's like, yeah, is that good success rate or success rate a lot?
3:38Oh, oh, oh, oh, 7.2 yards per carry allowed.
3:40Okay, no. Okay, bad. And usually I use those as kind of the sample set for it.
3:45So now I it's nice to to start getting again.
3:48Again, this is in real football terms for weeks is usually what teams look at as the previous four games to kind of kind of develop game plan.
3:55So previous four games plus previous times that they played if it's a play caller or team set or like that.
4:01But so it's kind of nice to it's like that's it's it feels very real.
4:05It feels like this is definitely smelling the pet or passing the smell test.
4:09Right. And even in the fantasy sense to this is typically where we say, okay, after four weeks, I always reference Adam
4:15Harstad's work on this where after four weeks now we're in the zone of this is going to be more predictive than
4:21our offseason ADP in weeks one week to you kind of start to say, all right, small sample size, whatever.
4:27But at this point, we're starting to accept which teams, you know, and which players that are on those teams are going
4:33to be really valuable and sort of define this fantasy season.
4:36So I wanted to at least to start here and honestly, we're going to jump around all over the place and talk
4:42about a lot of different stuff here. But for starters, I wanted to look at the five teams who have improved the
4:48most in this metric from 2025 to 2026. The Raiders have taken a 19 spot a 19 spot jump here from 32nd to 13th.
4:55So worse than the NFL to hey, we're kind of league average as an offense.
4:59This is the biggest gain by both measures here.
5:02The Panthers have gone from 27th to 9th, a bottom barrel to a top 10 offense through four weeks.
5:07The Saints 28 to 11, the Jets 30th to 18th.
5:10Obviously, they're coming off their worst effort so far this year.
5:13So there is a little bit of context there.
5:15And then the Chiefs have gone from 17 to 4.
5:18So, Nate, I throw those five teams out of you.
5:21The most improved offenses so far from an ecosystem standpoint this year.
5:24Or what stands out to you the most on one of these teams?
5:28The Raiders, because that feels so real in a real football sense.
5:31But also, we're seeing some stats, of course, pop up or fancy numbers pop up with it, especially at Bowers.
5:36But no, that one's real. We kind of assumed this as it couldn't be worse than it was last year with their offensive line coaching.
5:43Just everything, really, with their offense. But it's just how the offensive line improvement, Bowers is cool.
5:48The usage of personnel is very cool. How they use tight ends.
5:51I believe they had 20-something snaps. I'll look it up in a sec.
5:5520-something snaps of just one receiver on the field.
5:58And I know that's kind of the thing. It's like, who are the receivers on this team?
6:02It's like, it looks like it doesn't matter. Because Bowers is the ace.
6:06Michael Mayer is playing really well. Well, and even you saw Ian Thomas get that touchdown.
6:10And again, more real football than fancy there. But Kirk Cousins is playing really confident, really aggressive as well.
6:16So it's not just a check down city. Hopefully get some yak and screens.
6:19It's like, no, he's starting to push the ball a little bit.
6:23And I just think they're using their personnel in really smart ways.
6:26And I'm still bullish on what Ashton Gentry could be this year.
6:29Chiefs are really good on defense, too. Or run defense.
6:32And that's what was more, I think, promising from that game.
6:35Was not only because I had more notes on the Raiders than the Chiefs.
6:39Even though the Chiefs won the game. It was just that, like, that was a tough matchup running the ball.
6:45And they still found other ways to attack it.
6:47I mean, you saw other plays pop off as well.
6:50So really high on Clint Kubiak. High, really, on everybody still.
6:53Or at least the main characters, I should say.
6:55Gentry and Bowers. I do think Gentry is going to start upticking when he gets some softer matchups.
7:00But no, I think this is a real good offense.
7:03And, of course, Bowers is the star of it.
7:06Yeah, the Raiders lead the NFL in plays out of heavy personnel.
7:09So that's with two or fewer wide receivers on the field.
7:12Fullbacks, tight ends, as you mentioned, they get them all in the mix here.
7:16Mike Washington remains one of my favorite kind of bench holds at this point.
7:20Because he's giving them a little pop every now and again.
7:23But also just in case. You're talking about Gentry and the softer matchups.
7:27And that's totally valid. I also just feel like you could tell me if you disagree.
7:31I feel like by the eye test, he just doesn't look quite 100% just yet.
7:35But he's been a good grinder, pass catching back.
7:38He's actually been really, really useful as a pass catcher.
7:40Surprising me. Yeah. Ray had the stat yesterday that they're a historic outlier in terms of how little they are getting from the wide receivers.
7:47They're just getting so much from the two tight ends and Ashton Gentry as a receiver.
7:52To the point, Nate, that Kirk Cousins is the ninth best fantasy scoring quarterback this year.
7:56Kirk Cousins. He's got more fantasy points than Joe Burrow.
7:59He's got more fantasy points than Jalen Hurts, than Trevor Lawrence, than Matthew Stafford, than Jordan Love.
8:04All these guys go down the list. Like, he's, again, QB9 right now.
8:07Playing really good football to the point that, I mean, it's going to...
8:11I did not buy this at all that, oh, they're going to want to start Kirk Cousins for half the year, if not the entire season.
8:18I mean, at this point, we're not trending towards a Fernando Mendoza start anytime soon.
8:22No fault of the rookie. Just like, Kirk Cousins is executing this offense.
8:26And he got called out after week one where Clint Kubiak, you know, quasi called out when he was like, no, how do we get more explosive plays?
8:34Push the ball. And he had a creation play on the Bowers touchdown where he kind of extended it.
8:39He had multiple bootlegs where he was thrown late over the middle, which is like Kirk Cousins is so by the book.
8:45So to see him kind of doing like, I think it's kind of an overplayed word, but Mahomesian type play where he's
8:51like, late, late, throw to the tight end on the week over the middle.
8:55It's like, I don't know, just the aggression and, again, confidence he's playing with.
8:59He's getting whacked, too, as well. But again, I think that spoke more with the Chiefs were doing on defense than anything.
9:05They were blitzing a bunch and Kirk Cousins answered a blitz and it wasn't check down Charlie stuff.
9:10And I agree with the gente receiving stuff because not only check downs, they've designed at least two to three screens to
9:16him a game, not just traditional running back screens.
9:18They had one a couple of weeks ago where he was just split out as like a receiver and they just ran
9:25kind of a smoke screen to him. They went for a nice gain.
9:28So they're trying to get him going. And I agree with you with Mike Washington.
9:32Mike Washington was handpicked by Clint Kubiak. He's perfect for the zone run scheme.
9:36Even if it's a 70-30 split, he's making those tangibles.
9:39And if Gente gets beat up, Gente's got a hard running style.
9:42Mike Washington is like, dare I say, league winner type?
9:45Oh, yeah, baby. So, yeah, no. Oh, yeah. But he is, all the touches he's getting, he's making the most production out of it.
9:52All right, I found my little, so they had 27 plays with one or fewer receivers.
9:5614 of them were dropbacks. 10 of those 14 dropbacks were successful.
10:00Kirk Cousins had a 9.1 net yards per attempt on those.
10:030.53 EPA per dropback. 71% success rate last week.
10:05So it's cool that they can turn the dial.
10:08The Saints game was interesting because they used a mix of personnels as well.
10:11And the Saints defense is way different than the Chiefs defense.
10:14So they're showing just different, you know, Dolphins defense is Dolphins defense.
10:18But they're showing different ways to attack what the defenses are giving themselves.
10:21I'm not saying this is going to be like a top five unit.
10:25But like, if they end up the season like 10th in all the nerd stats, you wouldn't be shocked.
10:30Because they're just doing really good stuff. And I think, I'm really excited for 2027 Raiders.
10:35But 2026 Raiders has been a really fun watch so far.
10:38Defensively too, I know we're doing fancy stuff. But Rod Leonard's doing some good stuff on defense too.
10:43No, it's a well-coached team, cool players, even if it's somewhat imperfect right now.
10:47Yeah, it's just a reminder of what good coaching can do, right?
10:50I mean, because there were obviously some interesting things like idea-wise with the Raiders staff last year.
10:55And then you get into the, you see it all together.
10:58It just doesn't work out. They went from 15th to 5th so far this year.
11:02Very Seahawks-esque. So, I do wonder if they actually might smell a little bit of blood in the water and maybe make a receiver move at the deadline.
11:10But right now, it doesn't feel like they need it.
11:12And why disrupt something that's really working here? Maybe that's the off-season project for this team.
11:17But okay, Panthers, Saints, Jets, Chiefs. Who else stands out to you from this list?
11:21I mean, who they played against was the Chiefs.
11:23And that's very real with the run game. I don't know.
11:27I just, there's, with Taequann Thornton out, it kind of makes it a weird discussion though.
11:31Like in a fantasy sense. It's like, and as long as Kenneth Walker's healthy, yeah, all go.
11:36But just like what we just talked about with Gentry, like Emmitt Johnson's making these, his touches very valid as well.
11:42So again, if, I don't think he'll be available in most leagues.
11:45But if he is, try and swoop him up, Trojan horse it, whatever you want to say, because he's making the touches very valid.
11:51And I'm not trying to jinx all of this, but Kenneth Walker's getting a lot of touches.
11:56And he has been historically a guy that gets banged up.
11:59It's just, it is what it is. But it's one of these things like ride him, ride him right now and we'll see.
12:06Receivers are kind of a mess. I can't tell you, I'm sure you have better insight than I do about how, how that, that can be fantasy relevant.
12:13I think it's more just going to be, to me, it's run the ball, play good defense.
12:18They have a cool defense right now. And on third down in the red zone on shot plays, Hey, Patrick Mahomes, be Patrick Mahomes.
12:25But a lot of it's kind of like split up on who he's focusing on, especially now with Thornton out, Rasheed Rice banged up.
12:31And Xavier Worthy is Xavier Worthy. Like he's never going to be a high touch guy.
12:36It's just going to be selective usage still, even with these circumstances.
12:39I think that's how he's going to be. But so I think the takeaway is Emma Johnson.
12:44That's kind of the guy, if you can somehow snag him up, it might be a thing that you won't regret later in the season.
12:51Yeah. Tyree kill is obviously in the news for a lot of reasons.
12:54I mean, I just don't even know if that's an upgrade.
12:57I'm, I'm with Dan Graziano, which we're showing here.
13:00I'm not buying the Tyree kill as much of an upgrade of what they have at this point, his career.
13:05No idea. You know, certainly other guys I'd be, I'd be open, you know, interested like a Marvin Harrison Jr.
13:11Even a Jerry Judy. Like I've been a big critic of Judy's game, but he can beat man coverage and can be part of making this team explosive.
13:19Like remember Jerry Judy with the 2024 Broncos, where it's just don't do any of that dancing at the line of scrimmage.
13:25Just put your foot in the ground and break it inside off play action.
13:29That would really work for a team this year.
13:31That was last season. They were 26th in explosive play rate.
13:34This year, they're all the way up at fourth.
13:37So that's, we're not looking for Jerry Judy, get 120 targets and matriculate.
13:40Like, no, we want to hit explosive plays. And Judy, I don't know, really know.
13:45I don't really know where his head's at. I don't really know what he has left, but I mean, I'd be, I'd
13:51even be interested in that because the rest of the guys in the room, like we're showing Jalen Royals on the depth chart right now.
13:58Now he's like a Rasheed Rice replacement. I could see him filling into Rice's role if he misses time with the hamstring injury.
14:04And I like Cyrus Allen as a route runner and as a separator, still rookie receiver, day three offense, complicated unit.
14:10I'm definitely interested in him getting more time, but if he has a total red shirt year, that would be not surprising
14:16given just again, he's a day three rookie. So a lot to be excited about in the future, but not sure what it holds right now.
14:23I don't know. I like the Judy idea here for this team.
14:26I do too. More than most more. I like it more than other teams because like what you just said, it's not
14:33a nickel and dime passing game right now. There's a lot of screens.
14:36I get that, but it's not quick game. It's a lot of shots.
14:40And I like Judy better as a shot vertical guy running those big overs, big, deep corners in the slot.
14:45He's a slot vertical guy. That's what he is.
14:48And in this offense, because they do RPOs, don't have to worry about him doing dirty work stuff.
14:53You know, like the other guys can do fulfill that role.
14:56So I know I, you and I have always been on the same page with Judy, but it's one of these where
15:02I actually do like him for the chiefs as a rental more than I would for other teams.
15:07I like Marvin Harrison Jr. Would be the pie in the sky.
15:10But I don't, I don't know what, what, what make of that, but I do like Judy more for them than you would.
15:17I would usually think or assume. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
15:19Just these other three teams here real quick before we move on the jets.
15:23I mean, again, it's just tough because they're coming off a down game, but still really bullish on what, like a guy like Braylon Allen.
15:30I thought he played well. They ran 32 damn plays.
15:33Okay. So what you're not going to get any fantasy value out of that Kenyan Sadiq.
15:37I remain interested in him as long as he'd be healthy.
15:40Garrett Wilson is going to have a nice year.
15:43It is worth pointing out that we, you know, we have the win rate data for Yahoo fantasy leagues right now.
15:48It's not surprising that a lot of the guys that are in the top 15, the list that I read off yesterday
15:55with, with Ray Garvin, they play for these teams.
15:57In addition to like Kenneth Walker, of course, Tedrow McMillan is 13th highest.
16:01Chuba Hubbard is 15th highest. I Jalen Coker was mostly undrafted, but he would definitely be on this list if he was drafted.
16:07Chris Olave was ninth highest. So Panthers saints, when you can get these and the saints have their issues for sure.
16:13You know, and I'm curious what you think about that team right now from a, they can't run the damn football perspective in a defense perspective.
16:20But when you can get it right, these improving offensive ecosystems, you can make big time profit like McMillan, Coker Hubbard, Chris Olave.
16:26Those are going to be some of the best picks that you could make this year because Nate, I I'm buying both
16:33of these two teams remaining sort of at the level that they are at right now where the Panthers are the ninth best offense.
16:39The saints are just outside the top 10. They're 11.
16:42I could see them still both at least still being top 15 offenses, bare minimum.
16:46Um, and also they are paired with somewhat shoddy defenses right now, just because of injury stuff as well.
16:51Uh, no, I am in a fancy sense and just the, I like the pass catchers.
16:56I am all in on the saints right now.
16:58Remember I was talking about with Scott Linehan being a high pass attempts.
17:02I think, and Kevin Moore is not shy about that either.
17:05I think what we see in these last few games, they're just going to keep doing it.
17:10I think this is going to be like a 40 plus 45 plus, maybe 50 plus drop back team almost every single week.
17:16Like they're going to be a shootout team and the defense, how they play it's leaky and it's very, it's a high variance defense.
17:23That's good. If you want the offensive players to score points, I think a lot of is awesome.
17:28I think a Bayley is awesome. I even like Bryce Lance with how their usage and they're trying to get him going.
17:34And Jawan Johnson, who I'm kicking myself. There's a couple of leagues.
17:37I got them, but kicking myself. I, I envisioned all this, like, you know, with him, um, but him and Chuck got great chemistry already.
17:44And the running back stink. The old line stinks, um, right now that they, one of my most disappointing kind of units is that offensive line.
17:51They've had some injuries, but some of the guys have just don't look great anyways.
17:55Um, but I think they're just going to be chucking it and Chuck can handle some of that.
18:00He's, I wouldn't say he's impressed me, but he's.
18:03I'm overwhelmed by him, not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. I kind of, but I like what he's doing.
18:08Yeah. You know what I mean? I like what he's doing.
18:11I'm not like going like, Holy crap. They got an elite guy here, but I'm like, no, this is a competent quarterback
18:17and he can operate what they do. And they got good pass catchers.
18:20So if they're going to play in these kind of what Charles used to say, loony tune games, like, I don't know, man, I'm kind of buying it.
18:28That's what I, this is what all their games are going to feel like.
18:32So in a fantasy sense and just overall, they're doing some interesting stuff.
18:36It's not all perfect, but in a fantasy sense, I'm buying into all the, all the guys in this passing game.
18:41Yeah. And obviously I have the pace score, uh, as well here, if we want to show that graphic where that blends
18:48in no huddle percentage password or expected plays per game seconds per game.
18:51The saints are first. The Panthers are third. So yeah, of course the saints are actually first by a lot.
18:57Uh, then, then it's, then it's the, yeah, then it's the Rams, uh, that's a Rams actually second, you know, which is,
19:03that was a hell of a call out by you.
19:06They have definitely upped the pace this year for sure.
19:08Uh, Panthers are third. And to that point, Devon Bailey is first in the NFL and routes.
19:13Chris Olave is second in the NFL and routes.
19:16Tedder McMillan is tied with Amon Ross St. Brown for fourth.
19:19Your boy, Bryce Lance, uh, is actually seventh in the NFL and routes.
19:22Jawan Johnson is up there, uh, as well. So, you know, just like these guys are out there.
19:27Okay. And if you're out there, you're getting a lot of opportunities and you're a good, credible player.
19:32I'm not, I'm not saying that Devon Bailey is going to be, have the Michael Wilson breakout of last year because I
19:38know Chris Olave is injured right now, but he's a good, he's a good player.
19:42He's that I think has just kind of gotten forgot about after his rookie year.
19:47Um, I remember I was, I just wrote him up in the in season charting tracker on my site, you know, Bailey's rookie season.
19:53I was saying, it's like, this guy looks like the next big time power slot.
19:57And then he just kind of, he fell out, he got traded and then he was hurt last year, but it looks good.
20:04Like he's a good quality zone beater. Shuck hit him on three or so kind of slants, quick crossers where he's hits the top of his drop back.
20:12And that ball is right out to Bailey. Who's open.
20:14He has 90th percentile arms. So he's got the ability to extend and win passes off of his frame.
20:20I think like, again, he leads the NFL in routes.
20:22Michael Wilson led wide receivers and routes last year.
20:25That's how he ended up breaking out. So look, you know, knock on wood, fingers crossed.
20:29I love a lot. They have on a lot of a so many on so many teams.
20:34So I don't want him to miss any time.
20:36He did get pinned at the end of this last game and is missing practice today on Wednesday.
20:41We'll monitor that throughout the week. But yeah, Bailey would be a smash in fantasy.
20:46If a lot, they ever missed time. Not that I want that to happen.
20:49Yeah. And I have to play the Vikings this week.
20:52And I think that that's a steady, like Vikings is a, you want shot guys and kind of the steady hand guys, I guess is the best way.
21:00Cause they don't play much man. So it's zone beaters.
21:03It's even with all the blitzing, it's not man blitzes.
21:06It's not the old Brian Flores blitzes of old.
21:08It's a lot of zone. So you want smart guys that can find soft spots against the zone.
21:13That's right here. Like this is Bailey. That's exactly it.
21:16Yeah. And I know I'm a guy that was super bullish on Bryce Lance, but they have been trying to get him
21:22going and it's, he's not a true, he's a burner.
21:25One of the fastest players in the league right now, but they're using them in more real ways as well.
21:30It's just that they have a nice one, two, which wants him being a three.
21:34So Bryce Lance is an auxiliary player, but they've tried a couple of shots stuff or the ball didn't go to him or they just missed on that.
21:42So we're there. I don't know. It's, it's one of these where I'm just buying into it.
21:47Like I, I just like what's going on there from a fantasy sense.
21:50And it's actually not about, it's always when I watch it on back, I'm like, oh, okay.
21:55Like you're doing some good stuff here. Like shock.
21:58I mean, and just the whole offense. So not surprised by that pace score, by the way.
22:02Like that's how they feel. They do. That's what you do.
22:05A lot of no huddle. And they snap that ball quick.
22:08And they've been in a lot of these shootouts so far.
22:12Yeah. They're just under 16%. No huddle rate, 15.8.
22:14The second place team is the Eagles. That's going really well.
22:1713.5%. So yeah, we'll talk Eagles when we get to some more negative stuff.
22:21Speaking of negative, let's talk about the five offenses that are trending in the wrong direction.
22:25These are the biggest followers from 2025 to 2026.
22:28The Packers are down from six to 27. The Patriots are down from second to 22nd.
22:32The Dolphins are down from 16 to 32nd in the NFL.
22:35The Commanders 13 to 28. The Colts 3 to 17.
22:38Not a ton of surprises here. We can explain what's happened with all these teams.
22:42But I guess I'll first ask you from an optimistic standpoint.
22:45These five teams, if there's one that you could point out and say, I can paint a rosy picture of how this gets better.
22:52Which one would it be? It's the Patriots. Just because what they showed last week, the personnel coming back, AJ Brown.
22:58And they actually showed some new ideas. Hopefully they're not going to play the Bills defense every week.
23:03I want to say this to everyone. The Bills defense is a smash every single week.
23:07It's not a good defense. It's really bad. It's bad.
23:10Which I knew they wouldn't be good, but it's been even worse.
23:13They just don't have anybody. They'd have no DBs to cover anybody with Benford out.
23:17So the Patriots, though, I'm a little more optimistic.
23:20Not just because May played better. They had better scheme ideas, I thought, in this last week against the Bills, which was encouraging.
23:26AJ Brown coming back. Hopefully Eli Raritan stays healthy because he opens up a lot of other stuff for them.
23:32But again, it's one of those. It's like, all right, but who are you buying into?
23:36Like, I'm not going to be buying into Mack Hollins or Pop Douglas.
23:40I guess Chisholm as a dynasty guy. But as in a redraft league, I don't know.
23:44He's actually a lot more real. Other than those big catches, he had some really nice kind of other plays where he was blocking.
23:51He didn't get the ball. So it's one of these where it's like, I do think this offense is going to be
23:57better, but it might just be like if you could buy low on May.
24:01You know, it's not really fancy. Yeah, that's the answer.
24:04Yeah, I don't know how you can buy into this other ways because it's going to be split up.
24:09Now, that's the answer. And maybe if you're a team that's 4-0 or you're 3-1 and you can afford to take on
24:15the risk, because I do think there is some risk that maybe you can ask one of those teams that's not doing
24:21so well in fantasy that took A.J. Brown in the second round.
24:25Hey, give me an eight. Like, I'll give you A.J.
24:27Brown for some of my depth pieces. And maybe like, I think actually that's not too bad of an idea.
24:33Because a lot of what I agree with you, we saw some good stuff schematically.
24:37And actually, this bears out in the static score as well.
24:40They went from 27th in Week 1, 18th in Week 2, 26th in Week 3.
24:44They were 8th in Week 4. So you did see some of those schematic tweaks.
24:48I thought we – yeah, it was really tangible.
24:51It's on paper. And I don't think it's going to come through in the run game.
24:55I think it will have to in the pass game.
24:58I know you've pointed this out. Romeo Dobbs on some of those outcuts.
25:02I mean, the Patriots clearly listened to our pod last week.
25:05So there was that. Fourth down outbreak. I was like, ha-ha!
25:08Yeah. It was – and they diversified. It was there.
25:11I know Stevenson, though, in the run game, they diversified what they did.
25:14They weren't just so heavy on duo. And, of course, like – of course, he's banged up.
25:19But it's one of these where the run game did have a little bit more stuff to it.
25:24I don't think it's going to be great, but it did have a little bit more stuff.
25:29Can I actually share something with you that I noticed I was looking for this up anyways because we're talking about static scores and everything.
25:36And this isn't just relevant to the Patriots. It's actually – motion league-wide is at the all-time high.
25:41I can look back to 2018. It's at 65% this year.
25:44Last year was 50 – or 2023 was 57%.
25:462018 was 46%. Motion at the snaps, all-time high.
25:49Multiple motions at all-time high. But this is the highest difference in terms of non-motion plays now have more of a higher success rate than motion plays.
25:56And it's the highest difference that's ever been on record.
25:59So it's like one of these where it's like, is it revert back?
26:02I'm keeping my eye on it. It's only three or four weeks.
26:06But it is just something I've kept my eye on that.
26:09I was looking that up for other reasons. But I thought that was interesting that non-motion plays is the first time in
26:15years that they actually have a higher success rate than motion plays now, which is – I know we're talking about non-static and static right now.
26:22But I was like, of course. Of course. But, well, something I keep in my eye on.
26:27So just food for thought. But, no, it's a good one.
26:30The static score does include not just motion. It's one of the things.
26:33It also includes play action, under center, race, and heavy personnel.
26:36So static was maybe my just quick way of saying something.
26:40But maybe we'll come up with a different name to not totally confuse it.
26:43But, no, yeah. That's an interesting thought, though. I mean, again, some of these heavy personnel groupings where even if it's just
26:50two receivers on the field and you're under center and it's just like the straight dropbacks from under center with no motion,
26:56I bet those are going to be really efficient plays as we go forward.
26:59And you do see – I mean, the Rams are in tempo like over 20% of their snaps last week.
27:05And it was just one of those where it's like, hey, they're going to get into these pristine calls on defense.
27:11Let's just not let them do that. So I do see a lot of teams actually really messing with kind of some
27:17of their cadence stuff, too, which is – I'm saying – you still have to use more motion, I think, especially in the run game.
27:24But pass game-wise, I do think there is some benefit just going faster as opposed to motion, motion, motion, motion.
27:29Unless you're Kyle Shanahan, then just keep doing what you're doing, bud.
27:33Because you do some good stuff over there, Kyle Shanahan.
27:36I don't know if anybody knows that. Yeah. Like playing the hits.
27:39I mean, a team like the Dolphins is – not the Dolphins.
27:42That's a slip. Well, they actually are using a good bit of all the motion and everything like that.
27:47But I meant the Chargers are doing all that.
27:50That's not working out for them. They could actually be more static, right?
27:54So with anything like this – and I wrote a column with all this stuff, too, that I actually filed before the show.
28:00So shout out to me. Doing my job for once.
28:03Look at you. It's not a catch-all thing. It's not just push the motion button and we're going to be better.
28:09It does matter who your players are, your personnel, the state of your roster.
28:12And I think the Chargers are a great example of a team that is pushing all those – the static score buttons.
28:18But it's just – except under center, they're actually in the gun a good bit, treating Herbert like he's Tua.
28:24But the results are not working out for that team.
28:27So it certainly matters, again, when we have the exact right mix of personnel and everything.
28:31Just one last note of the Patriots. My theory on this team is just that they're a bad team beater from a scheme standpoint and everything.
28:38Good news is they just played the Bills. Bad defense.
28:41Raiders. Fine. Jets. Bears. Dolphins. So a little bit of a mixed bag.
28:45They get the Lions in week 10 before they're by.
28:48So there's going to be some spots where this team, I think, looks much better.
28:52I agree. They're a team that could improve. The Packers are a funny example, Nate, of a team that their offense is definitely cooked, I think.
28:59I mean, again, they're 27. They're way down from six because the run game stinks and everything like that.
29:04But actually, from a fantasy standpoint, because they are also one of these teams that is more static this year, to your
29:10point, but is also playing with a lot more pace.
29:13It's just going to be a print fest for Watson, for Golden, and for Tucker Craft if he can continue to get healthy and improve here.
29:20So from a fantasy standpoint, these three guys are going to eat.
29:24Yeah, and catch football. So these three guys are going to be the Blake Bortles special this year.
29:29Yes. Yeah. Great. That nailed it. That's exactly right.
29:31I know. I think they're going to be chucking it.
29:34Their defense is a little more aggressive. So if I turn to track meets every week as well.
29:39So I haven't rewatched them last week yet, but I did see, at least at the very least, like, I mean, there's
29:45so much good stuff with Golden Watson happening right now, even if it's not all been successful.
29:50But no, just keep buying into those guys. Like, keep buying it.
29:53Jordan Love's going to have some boom games. We'll see how they do with.
29:57I want to watch the run game back. They it was so frustrating that they're like, no, this we're going to go Chris Brooks again.
30:04It's like, just run Caleb Johnson. He's a better running back.
30:07I know he's not great. He's not like, oh, well, that's the thing, though.
30:11You know, I know it's so frustrating. But it's like, what else you got?
30:15Like, you're really going to trot out your past protection back again.
30:18I guess that's what coaches do. But no, Watson, Golden are still like, I'm optimistic about, at least in the fantasy sense.
30:24Just Packers are with that line and just they just don't have much teeth right now.
30:28It's just it's just it's just tough to get to being good circumstances.
30:32So they're going to be chucking it. Yeah, they'll be chucking it.
30:35Those guys will continue to go. Golden is someone that I keep squinting at my dynasty rankings, figuring out what's the exact
30:42right spot for him, because he's just he's been.
30:44So I wouldn't say he's been great this year, but I think he's been solid on tape.
30:49And, you know, if he can continue to improve, there's definitely a lot to go on there.
30:53One of them one other team just I want to ask you about.
30:57I think the commander I think the commanders have improved.
31:00They're a tough team to judge here just because they've had you've played three quarterbacks this year.
31:05OK, that's going to be tough. I do actually think I've seen some decent things from them, but not sure the health
31:11status of Jaden Daniels, not sure the health status of Terry McLaurin.
31:14So that's going to be tough going forward. But I mean, they had Ethan Kaliak Maness out there in week four.
31:20That's going to be tough. So I'm not I'm not sure if you have strong takes on the commanders.
31:25I actually wanted to talk specifically about this Colts team and what to kind of make of that right now, because they
31:31are definitely trending in the wrong direction. By Antonio Williams.
31:34By. Oh, yeah, that guy's good. By. By, by, by, by, by, by, by, by, by.
31:38I'm all I really like him. He's it's the real deal.
31:41It's not just slot stuff either. It's like, no, he's the real deal.
31:45I really like Antonio Williams. So that's my commander's thought.
31:48Oh, line. I'm a little scared with a guy.
31:50Although I Jane Daniels was on the on the market or on the waiver wire that I snatched him up in a couple of leagues.
31:57Even he's going to come out with that robo brace on his left elbow.
32:01But the thing is, we'll see. Oh, line. If you watch the third string quarterback, as I tweeted this, but his last
32:07name is Greek for crash test dummy because he got shellacked and the Colts are not a good pass rush.
32:13And so now they're going to go against teams a little bit better than that pass rush.
32:17So I'm but Jane can run a little bit better.
32:20Yada, yada. So no, but that's kind of just my thoughts on the commanders.
32:24Like, I actually their defense is doing interesting things.
32:27They're a weird team, though, right now. But I would say really weird team.
32:30Yeah. I which I kind of thought before the season.
32:33They just feel. Yeah, I don't know. But Colts wise.
32:36You know, Daniel Jones is still there. They're playing in the rain this week to him and Aaron Rodgers, which will be interesting.
32:42Daniel Jones. Heavy rain with gusts and up to 30 miles an hour, I believe it is.
32:47And it's like 78 percent chance of rain. Daniel Jones still looks like he can't push the ball outside.
32:52They're doing interesting kind of schematic stuff and how to open up their guys in the slot.
32:57But it's just more Jones can't push the ball.
33:00So it's limiting their explosiveness. So it's a very methodical offense.
33:03And he's not a methodical guy. I don't I don't think I'm still buying Jonathan Taylor.
33:07I'm still buying this run game. I think the old line is actually been pretty decent when they run the ball.
33:13Do not trust them to pass protect all the time.
33:16I've been weirded out by Warren, though. Like, I have no idea what to make.
33:20Yeah, I have no idea what. It's weird. Like, I'm watching him.
33:23Like, he just doesn't look as explosive. But it's also his usage is so far outside because they're trying to open up
33:29things for guys in the slot because they have so many slot only guys.
33:33So I know Kenyon Allen didn't play last week, but that's what they were doing.
33:37It was interesting. But it's kind of really limited his effectiveness.
33:40And yeah, I don't know if it's just because Jones can't push it to the outside.
33:45And some of Warren's best routes, at least just off the top of my head, are those sale routes and those outbreakers.
33:51And so now it's like, okay, we'll just have him run under routes.
33:54So it's a lot of four-yard gains, six-yard gains.
33:57And yeah, I don't know. It's been kind of like a weird thing.
34:01PPR-wise, I'm sure it's okay. But it's just one of those things where it's like, I thought we'd get it.
34:06Not really. Yeah. But he's not. Yeah. He's just been a.
34:09That's the thing. Okay, this is a great stat because this is how it feels even.
34:14I didn't even look at his target share. But it's like, all right, other receivers are dropping off.
34:19Alec Pierce is hurt. You're a nickel and dime offense anyways.
34:22Nickel and dime it to Tyler Warren. You know?
34:24Like, why isn't he getting the nickels and dimes?
34:27And I've just really been confused. I know he was banged up.
34:30But no, his usage has been very confusing to me when I watch the Colts.
34:34Yeah. 2.26 air yards per target for Tyler Warren.
34:37His rate of snaps outside have gone up from 10.9 to 14.5.
34:40His rate of snaps in the slot has gone down from 29.8 to 26.8.
34:44You're right. Like, there's more snaps out wide. And I don't really think he's that type.
34:48You know, he's not Brock Bowers. He's not even like a Colson Loveland type.
34:52You know, where you can get him as that mismatch player.
34:55I know Loveland hasn't had the production to start the year.
34:58But they at least have had moments of him doing that type of thing.
35:02Plus last year as well. Plus other guys are eating.
35:05So it's like, yeah, fine. That's fine. You know?
35:07Exactly. Right. I'm fine with Loveland not getting it.
35:10The other guys are getting it. Whereas with the Colts, I mean, even last week, you know, Josh Downs completely disappears.
35:16Because he's the guy that they are having him run those sale routes.
35:19And he's been really effective on those. But then when Jones can't get the ball down the field, it's just, again, I said this earlier in the week.
35:27There were like these think pieces about Josh Downs and like fantasy.
35:30You can never get too high on him in fantasy.
35:33But we can't get high on anybody in fantasy when the offense sucks.
35:37And I kind of think the offense, it doesn't suck because the run game is good.
35:41They're 17th again in this metric. But they've ranked 19th, 8th, 20th, and 18th over the course of the season.
35:47It's just, and a lot of that is the run game on a week-by-week basis.
35:51The run game is good. I think when we parse it out based on, all right, is it passing efficiency or rushing efficiency?
35:57It is much more skewed towards the run game right now.
36:00They're 31st in drop back EPA. They're second in rushing EPA.
36:03I mean, there's your story right there. There it is.
36:06Yeah. No, and that's how it feels when I watch them.
36:09It's like, oh, run game. They're doing great stuff.
36:12And especially with how their defense is, it hasn't been a defense that they just got, it's bend but break defense.
36:17Like that's kind of how it feels right now.
36:20But bend but break as well. So it's not a style that is conducive right now to how Jones has to play
36:26this year, which is, again, a very, and I'm going to use the term again, very nickel and dime.
36:31But you can't live that way if now you have to get in a track meet.
36:36Like you have to generate explosive plays. And Jonathan Taylor is Jonathan Taylor.
36:39The run game is the run game. But it's like, yeah, the math of this team is not there right now.
36:45I will say credit to you on this one where just all throughout camp, you could not go a day on social
36:51media without anybody telling you just how awesome Daniel Jones looked in practice.
36:55And it's like, okay, let's see it in the game.
36:58It's not looking so great in the games. Remember my conspiracy theory that turned out to be true?
37:03They started. So they would show Daniel. Everyone doesn't know.
37:05They'd show Daniel Jones throwing in camp, full body.
37:08You can see everything. And I was looking at his leg and his leg just kept looking limp.
37:13And I was like, man, they can't really push the ball there.
37:16And I mentioned that on a couple of pods.
37:19And all of a sudden, sure enough, Colt started showing videos of Daniel Jones.
37:23And it was edited where everything was quad up.
37:25At first, I was like, okay, no one cares what I'm saying.
37:28And then it was just too much of a thing after a couple of weeks where you couldn't see his foot.
37:34And I was like, this might be something. Because he couldn't drive the ball to the outside.
37:39And sure enough, when I'm watching these games, nothing can get pushed to the outside or down the field.
37:44If he has to hitch up, the play just comes short.
37:47He has to hitch up. He can't hitch up again.
37:50He can't have that second hitch to then push the ball.
37:53So, yeah, it's a very, very tight offense right now.
37:56Chris Ballard is totally sending a third-round pick to the Cardinals for Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:00after he tears up the Lions this week. That'll be the sell-high game for the Cardinals.
38:04That's 100% emotional press move there for Ballard. That's happening.
38:07Okay, let's talk some. Speaking of the Cardinals, the least consistent offenses in these metrics so far.
38:12Five teams stood out here with some variance between their weekly rankings.
38:15The Cardinals, the Bears, the Texans, the Broncos, and the Bengals.
38:18The Cardinals have gone from 12th, 29th, 10th to 23rd.
38:21The Bears, 1st, 27th, 11th, 5th. The Texans, 6th, 28th, 24th, 3rd.
38:24By the way, those two high rankings, that's a Nico Collins stat right there, baby.
38:29All right, so we know that's the thing. All five of these teams, there's a reason for most of them.
38:34Bears, quarterback turnover. Texans, Nico Collins turnover. Broncos, I don't know, Bengals.
38:37The Bengals are the Bengals. They are what they are.
38:40So anything stand out to you from these teams that have been a little bit variable week to week?
38:45No, they're all explainable. I mean, you just nailed it.
38:48Even the 27 for the Bears was, oh, they played the Vikings and Caleb Williams got hurt.
38:53In the rain. In the rain. That's kind of like a throwout game.
38:57And anyone that's a horse racing horse handicapper, it's like rain games or mudder.
39:00Some players are just not mudders. Some offenses aren't mudders.
39:03And you're playing Brian Flores. Not great. The Broncos won, though.
39:06So those negative performances, I think, is more real than anything that's positive.
39:10I mean, now it's easy to say, you know, Bo Nix doesn't push the football down the field, you know, but when
39:16you say it a couple of years ago, you get roasted for it because they're winning games.
39:21Ruin your Thanksgiving. They just ruined my Thanksgiving. The run game is just so dead.
39:25And the whole line's better than that. And it's weird.
39:28It's one of these things I can't put my finger on.
39:31And maybe it's because there's trickle downs. I mean, why is Patrick Mahomes able to hit explosive plays again?
39:36Because now defenders have to worry about the run.
39:38So their eyes are forward. And now they're not worried about moving back.
39:42Or now they're like, oh, shoot, now I have to move back.
39:45For the Broncos, this is the trickle down. Yeah, we see the passing chart right now.
39:50Is that if I'm a defender, if I'm especially how the 49ers play with some too high stuff, top-down stuff, and now
39:56I'm at start at 12 yards as the game goes along, now I'm at nine yards.
40:00Now I'm at eight yards, and I don't have to worry about a threat behind me the entire game because the quarterback's not pushing the ball.
40:07There's that tightness I always talk about, kind of with the Colts as well, except Jonathan Taylor's Jonathan Taylor.
40:13But I do think that maybe Jonah Coleman offers that spark when he comes back, but I don't know.
40:18He's still more of a get-on-base running back. He's not an explosive player running back.
40:22And Bo Nix is Bo Nix. He's the same age as Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy.
40:27This is how he plays. It's just what the results have been the last couple of years.
40:31This is his process. So maybe a spark because so much fire is being lit right now, nationally, locally right now, fan-base-wise.
40:37But also, there's a kind of like leopards, cheetahs don't change their spots.
40:41That could be a little bit of as well, but maybe they have some design plays early just to keep the dogs off.
40:47Hey, J. Waddle, let's launch you one. But this feels more real as far as like, I feel like this is a
40:53bottom, at the very least, a bottom half, not a bottom 10 offense.
40:57That's very tight. And the run game is just so eh right now.
41:01And the passing game is going to be, I think, extremely volatile based on whether Bo Nix hits one or two big plays.
41:07I mean, we know this is a coaching staff that talks.
41:10You know, quite a bit. Certain members are out there.
41:13Yeah. All right. So it definitely felt like a get the message out there that there are plays open.
41:18Okay. Get the message out there that there are guys open down the football.
41:22It sure as hell felt like that this week.
41:25Right. So and sometimes with these, this style of quarterback, I remember a couple of years ago when Jalen Hurts went up
41:31and tore up, he went out and tore up the Steelers defense like late in the season, which was a classic.
41:36Jalen Hurts always tears up these solid defenses, single high.
41:39You're going to get one-on-one looks on the outside.
41:42And Jalen at the press conference was like, yeah, wasn't that what you guys wanted to see?
41:46This happens with these quarterbacks where there's a, not a full-on change of the stripes, but like a quick shootout and get like undo the narrative.
41:54I feel like we'll see that with Bo Nix here any day now where it'll be a, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:59I'm not the check down merchant that I want that you guys are painting me to be, but we'll see if it
42:05changes longterm because they absolutely cannot survive like this.
42:08And I don't know if like more RJ Harvey in the run game is the answer.
42:12I am skeptical, but they can't keep doing like the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and
42:18over again, expect different results for four weeks. Now they pretty much just done the same thing with the run game, with
42:24the Bo Nix check downs, something does have to change here.
42:27And I'm hoping that it's just, obviously we get it.
42:30We get the guy who we traded a first and a third round pick more consistently involved, even if it's, Hey, just, just some layups.
42:37He's got to consistently catch football too. There's that, but the Broncos.
42:40Yeah. A lot needs to change here. I have a share.
42:44I know Hayden said that when you guys did the show on Sunday, that you would just have like all these RJ Harvey stats and check down stats.
42:51I think that's what he said, but the stat I looked up was Bo Nix from the pocket on Sunday.
42:57His average area to the six was negative 4.3, which is incredible, which is like absolutely incredible.
43:02You cannot, unless, especially with guys that aren't, you know, it's not like Supreme yak guys or they're not using the yak
43:08guys, how they should be using you. There's no space in this offense.
43:11And I always use this term. He doesn't let plays breathe.
43:14So it becomes a check down Charlie thing. Yeah.
43:17You met, you mentioned the quarterback thing. Quarterbacks getting a little spark under him.
43:21Same with other coaches with players. I should have bet my life savings that Marvin Harrison jr.
43:25Would catch a touchdown last week. I should have just bet it.
43:29Like I should have just been whether it's trade market or just like, Hey, let's get this guy going.
43:34One of the two. I was like, he's going to catch a touchdown this week.
43:38And sure enough, it was like, sure. I should have just bet it.
43:42Like, cause it was like, that was the easiest bet.
43:45I think I could have made that. They were going to target him in the end zone until I get him going
43:51or, you know, bump up that trade market a little bit.
43:54All right. Before we move on here, just a couple more things I want to hit from these stats and the offensive ecosystem.
44:00We've got to talk about the team that is improving the most in the offensive efficiency metrics, which is no question.
44:06The Atlanta Falcons, they have gone from 26th to first.
44:09If you look at week one, they were 26 this past week.
44:12They were first. They an unbelievable improvement here for the Atlanta Falcons.
44:15Again, their weekly rankings, 26, 32nd, second, and first.
44:18They have been out. Rageously good. The last two weeks, Nate, do you buy this?
44:22Do you sell this? Where do you come down on Michael Penick's greatest offense in the entire NFL?
44:27Well, I'm buying it more than I'm selling it, but I don't think it's like first, like, you know, like going to
44:33be that, but I do think this, the, Hey, the stars are the stars.
44:37And I credit Kevin Stefanski for not overthinking it.
44:39Screw all the auxiliary guys. We got Bajan and we got Drake London.
44:43Let's design every play through them. Every past concept.
44:45Drake London is the primary. And I, and I wish I was making that up.
44:50They are not wasting your time on anybody else.
44:52No cow pits, nothing, not nobody else. John Dotson had the one cool post route.
44:56He did. Okay. You can't, you can't take that away from me.
45:00Yes, I know. I know the immortal John Dotson.
45:02Oh my God. Uh, God, I love his ball skills still.
45:05Um, no, but with, with they, all these concepts I'm watching and there's, they're, they're leaning into what Penick's is good at.
45:11He doesn't throw the ball well over the middle, but he can push the ball and he can launch stuff to the outside.
45:18And if our run game is good enough, and I always talk about, you need something that raises a floor for them.
45:24It's a run game. And that's a ceiling racer too, but passing game wise, let's not do any screens or nickel and diming with Penick.
45:31So let's just let them launch it. Let's just live and die by him launching it.
45:35And that's good. Like I I'm, and they play some juicy defenses coming up.
45:39They got Ravens defense is like gonna get better, but still it's not all the way to there.
45:44Bears defense is more good on third down. They are 49ers defense, which you can pound the rock on.
45:49That's what was so frustrating about the Broncos. They couldn't even run.
45:53We talked about that last Thursday, like run duo.
45:55Oh, Broncos can't. The bucks defense, the bangles defense over the middle, which, okay, maybe that might counteract exactly what I'm saying,
46:01but they have some interesting defenses going against, but I do think the Bajon run game's real.
46:06I think Bill Callahan's got kind of like a little spark under him, old line coaching wise.
46:11And I just really think, I don't think they're going to be like they have in the last two weeks, but they're
46:17going to be much better than what we saw the first two weeks.
46:20So yeah, by on, on Bajon and Drake London, exactly what you expect.
46:24And, you know, I guess Brian Robinson's now the new Tyler Algier.
46:27Guess he can be a kind of flex relevant in certain weeks when they play against some bad run defenses.
46:33I just saw him on one of my waiver wires.
46:36And I, I was just dropping a ton. I'm just, I just dropped a ton.
46:40We'll see if I get him. The waivers have, I was just like, yeah, why this is the exact type of guy I want on my bench.
46:47We've seen the obvious upside. And if there's standalone value, yeah, Brian Robinson's one of the best holds out there for sure.
46:53Okay. Last thing I want to fly here is the offensive efficiency score, static score, the scatter plot here, just because I
46:59think this is just a good final note to land on here.
47:03The teams in the top right quadrant, this is kind of where we want to be.
47:07These are the least static teams and also the most efficient offenses in the NFL.
47:11And I think, again, we're talking about the sniff test, the teams up here, the bills, the Niners, the Ravens, the chiefs,
47:17the Jags, the lions, the bears, the Panthers shock, the Falcons.
47:20Welcome in the Raiders and the Seahawks are kind of barely scratching into that there.
47:25So again, these teams that are pushed, even if again, it's not always, it's not, it doesn't always work right.
47:30Like the dolphins are not very static, the chargers, the Vikings, the Patriots, but Hey, there, you can also tell a story,
47:36Nate, about how those teams, if they can get their stuff together, Colts too, are kind of on that borderline as well.
47:42If they can get their stuff together, they're certainly from a quarterback perspective for the Vikings, you know, the chargers have a lot of problems.
47:49I don't know, but if they can get those, their stuff together, these could be some good by low offenses out there.
47:55Yeah. Especially. I think the Vikings, man, TJ Hawkinson.
47:58I was like, Oh my God, you're getting going now.
48:01The Vikings in the second half, the passing game, actually, they, I know it's the dolphins, but they're actually like kind of
48:07doing, they're kind of such a weird offense right now.
48:09They're trying to do 500 different things. They're, they're throwing stuff against the wall and going like, is this work?
48:15What, what about this? You know, and the second half of the dolphins game, again, dolphins again at home.
48:20I could, I could see the light. I could see a vision of this not being top 10 or 12, but not bottom three.
48:27Like they've been so far this year. Like, I think it's more like the 18th, 20th best offense at times matchup dependent, yada, yada Jefferson coming back.
48:34And then I think the, I've seen Addison get going.
48:37I've seen Hawkinson get going the run game. Now Donovan Jackson, the left guards out.
48:41You don't want to live and die with Aaron Jones.
48:44He's just 30 something years old and he can kind of be boomy, boom, busty, but maybe that's going to be fine, but I can see them.
48:52They've used more shotgun, especially in the run game than they ever have under KOC.
48:56So again, that is something where they're like trying to mold this personnel.
48:59I think it's going to be one that's going to get better that I'm not selling on Jefferson or anything like that.
49:05It's just not going to be, it's going to be a very boom bust offense, which is fine because they have an
49:12awesome defense right now and an awesome special teams.
49:14And that's actually something to be said about the Falcons too.
49:17Sorry. I know we just talked about them, but their defense is legit.
49:21And so because they have a run heavy team with Bajon, Bajon's going to be relevant in a lot of games.
49:27He's not going to get snuffed out in a lot of games because we got to chuck it 500 times to catch up.
49:33So, I mean, like they're going to get the ball back.
49:36They're going to be in a lot of kind of tightish games.
49:39So that is something to be said with the Vikings where they're going to get turnovers inside the 20 and you might
49:45get some nice touchdown looks for some of these guys too.
49:48So they're finding their way, but it's, it's a little imperfect right now.
49:52And again, I'm going to say, I'm hyping up like what I think will be like the 20, 20 second best offense,
49:58but it's all said and done, you know, woo.
50:01Woo. Uh, it's really great right now. They're 25th right now.
50:04So that would be a market improvement. I do.
50:06Yeah, there would be 20, they're 25th in the metric.
50:09So that would be a market improvement there. Um, there are other teams that are, are not, that are static, but are still really efficient.
50:16No surprise. It's the Bengals. It's the Cowboys. You know, these are the teams that you've got the quarterbacks that want to live this way.
50:23And the Cowboys are definitely less static last year.
50:25And I think they could maybe get to more of that stuff as the season goes on.
50:30But yeah, you don't have to worry about that.
50:32The Rams are been more static this year. Again, spread it out, do the tempo stuff.
50:37That's we'll see how that continues to go. Uh, and then the teams that are inefficient and super static all the way
50:43at the bottom left of the chart, it's the Steelers, the commanders, the Titans and the Eagles 32nd in static ranking and 20, uh, 20, 24th and trending.
50:51The wrong way from an efficiency standpoint, I think going to continue to trend the wrong way, considering what's happened with the
50:57offensive line the last couple of days. So I know we'll talk about a lot tomorrow on three Oh one.
51:02So not to go into depth here, Nate, but I am looking at this Eagles team thinking this is quickly becoming a,
51:09to use one of your terms, a zombie team.
51:11It's a zombie team. Yeah, it's definitely a zombie team.
51:14Lane Johnson is a heart and soul player. Um, you know, and it's just one of those things where it's like that,
51:20but not only just as on-field impact, it's just locker room impact.
51:23Now Juergens is, you know, become a scapegoat, but it's just really the whole line has been shoddy this whole year.
51:29The run game has been inefficient unless they played the bears, which I think everybody's going to be able to pop off against the bears run game wise.
51:37Um, so it's just one of these things where now Saquon's hurt, uh, Dallas Goddard is hurt, banged up.
51:42They're playing Zach Ertz. Jalen hurt. If Devante Smith is out there as well as Devante, uh, Dontavian Wicks and Darius Cooper, to his credit are playing.
51:50Those are volatile place. Like Darius Cooper's touched first touchdown was him launching, tipping it up to himself.
51:55Like he's Randy Moss. And then Don, and his second touchdown was him ad-libbing.
51:58Like he should just kept running his over route and he stops middle of his route.
52:03So credit to him for making those plays, maybe interesting and dynasty wise, but I want no part of this offense.
52:09Like I, I want none of it. Uh, it's just, it definitely does not feel, and it's not like the defense right
52:15now, the defense is banged up as well. I don't think it's gonna be a bad defense, but it's not going to be that top five defense.
52:22Not me. Not needle morning. No, it's going to be a goodish defense that I think is going to be susceptible to who they're playing against.
52:29So yeah, I'm selling everything in this. Not that I had much buys in it.
52:34Like the McKay lemon usage, they're trying to get him going, but hurts and hurts and hammer square peg round hole.
52:39Those routes over that he's best at are not what it hurts throws.
52:43And they're not really doing the routes. What I thought that they maybe could use them on sale routes.
52:48Like we talked about fail, big over routes. Yeah.
52:51Hurts is checking those down when they do dial them up for him.
52:54So maybe again, he gets a spark, but they're going to London and they're playing the Jags who are very well game plan.
53:01I know that's just this week, but yeah, I'm a whole hard sell on everything.
53:05Eagles. I'm very excited to talk about that Jags defense with you tomorrow.
53:09I'm I love the way that defense looks right now.
53:11Yeah. Eagles last three weeks, offensive official. Well, okay.
53:14They go 20th in week one, 14th in week two, 21st in week three, 31st in week four.
53:19That's where the Eagles are going. They're not going to a good place right now.
53:23All right. We are going to take a quick break.
53:26When we come back, we're talking Thursday night football.
53:28We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
53:31Thursday night football, Buccaneers at Cowboys. Cowboys are a nine and a half point favorite here.
53:3647 and a half point over under man. Man, this Bucs team, bad vibes.
53:40I, I, I should, I should be able to talk myself into some in Macca, Buka, you know, some, some, some of
53:46this, that, and the other in the past game.
53:48Cause it's the Cowboys. And I just can't do it.
53:51I can't do it. I don't think Jalen Daniels was a disaster by any means last week.
53:56Yeah. He had a couple of picks. Yeah. It's what you expect.
53:59Unwrapped the rookie for agent. I think he looks like a solid NFL backup, maybe potentially.
54:03And just got the ball out. There's just nothing downfield.
54:06And that's the thing about this offense is that they want to hit the primary read, which is going to be a Buka on these big breaking routes.
54:14And just I, Daniels probably doesn't have enough to push it at this point.
54:18Just given where he is in his development. So it's crazy that it's gotten to this point with a Buka that yeah,
54:24backup quarterback, of course, but this is a great matchup and I just can't get excited about this.
54:29Passing game at all right now. Yeah. And it's the thing.
54:32It's like, Oh, but I liked the run game still.
54:35And actually the Cowboys are pretty good against the run and your offense has a guy, a Dak Prescott that can dice up the bullets.
54:42So there's even like, if you wanted to go for that angle, it's like, I don't know about that.
54:47So I think it's Daniels running a lot, which is not good for the receivers, you know, on their stats, which is
54:53also like why I like Jalen Daniels anytime touchdown plus two 90, by the way, could not find his rushing total.
54:59There you go. I looked only on bad MGM.
55:01I'm sorry, but you know, plus two 90 anytime touchdown because the Cowboys are susceptible to scrambles.
55:06They're 27th in EPA to quarterback scrambles right now.
55:09But no, it's passing in wise. It's going to be very, I keep using this term by boom bust.
55:14I think he, he's got a lot of juice in the arm, but like you mentioned, it's not on breaking routes.
55:20He's good on curls, stops and goes, which is, all right.
55:23If you're a defense that wants to play top down, all right, I know what I'm getting.
55:27So let's just not want anyone behind us. Maybe play some catch up later.
55:31You know, maybe get some dirty time stats, you know, if the Cowboys do pull out a lead, but no, it's, it's
55:37hard to buy into anybody with the bucks passing game right now.
55:41Yeah. I mean, they just don't even really run those routes all that much in this offense.
55:45They don't run a lot of those go. I mean, even Ted Hearst is their X receiver and he's a round three rookie from Georgia state.
55:53And he's probably going to draw a lot of Joey Porter in coverage.
55:56He's going to be good to go for this game.
55:59And that's what the way this is going to be.
56:02This is, this is going to be one of those teams where if you have that pure X, they're going to be
56:08able to take that guy away a ton. Cause as we talked about with Porter, he's that Matt zone match turns into man coverage corner.
56:15On the outside. I'm pretty sure. I don't know.
56:17I can't remember off the top of my head, how many stats he, or how many snaps he played, but he didn't allow a catch and coverage.
56:25And there's going to be a lot of that.
56:27We're just, we're going to just go away from him for some of these teams here.
56:32This would be one of those spots. But again, I just, I don't think that it's center.
56:36The synergy is not there. And by the way, like, yeah, I do think Zach Robinson is a, maybe a decent future
56:43as a past game coordinator, but seeing now, you know, cause I think he does some cool stuff.
56:48Like, I think he's objectively good for, yeah, I think he's objectively good for receiver usage.
56:52I think the way he's designed stuff for London and a book has been good, but I don't love the fact that
56:58they just use Michael Penix in the pistol all the time.
57:01And now he's got 14 past attempts under center.
57:04So far this season, he had six, six, you noticed that too, six, you noticed that two years before six.
57:09I know. I was trying to, I tried to excuse that.
57:12I feel like he's the, one of those guys where he's like, yeah, he can't do it.
57:17So we're not going to try it. It's like, well, well, get him on the center.
57:21Try. Especially if a run game like that, like, and you have, like, they do have some decent offensive alignment.
57:27It's like, should have been what they built the whole plane out of.
57:30No, I know it's, and how Baker looked early and he just looked scattershot anyways.
57:35Like, yeah, there was, there's just not a lot of trust in anybody in this offense.
57:39And now they have an undrafted rookie who, again, I do like, like he have like a Tyler Huntley career, but it's more just like, it's Tyler Huntley.
57:47It's not Kurt Warner. You know, it's not, not to that extent.
57:50It's, it's a different, it's not Tony Romo. It's not to that extent of an undrafted guy going like, Ooh, wow, there's some real stuff here.
57:57It's like, he's more, again, it's more fun than good right now, but it's not a total disaster, but yeah, we'll see
58:03how it kind of goes in this matchup. And then Bucky Irving, I mean, from the, I was really excited about his
58:10usage the first couple of weeks, but now they're kind of back to Sean Tucker at the goal line.
58:15We got to get Kenny gain well, more involved.
58:17He caught a touchdown last week. And as you mentioned, if you're going to do something on this Cowboys defense, you're going to throw it.
58:24You're not going to run it. The Cowboys run defense is actually pretty good.
58:28So yeah, it is definitely, it's, it's tough. Okay.
58:31It is really difficult. So that's where the bucks are.
58:33And then for the Cowboys, we know what's going on here.
58:36It's a defense that you said this perfectly. Jack Prescott can pick this thing apart.
58:41He just replaced the blitz. And then you've got Antoine Renfield and Benjamin Morris out for this game.
58:46Cowboys through four weeks, as we're showing on the screen right now, ranks fifth in points per drive.
58:51Like they're, they're a great offense. And I think you can only go further here.
58:55So I think this could, this could easily be the, the George Pickens bounce back game that everybody's been looking for.
59:01Yeah. I think they're gonna be passing a ton.
59:03I think they're going to be, if they get into big bodies, because Bowles likes to match it, they'll be throwing from those big body looks.
59:10Like that's what I like about the Cowboys offense is they can pivot to whatever they need.
59:15And to me, this is a chuck it, not launch it down the field, but quick game, a lot of stuff, get the ball out.
59:22Antoine Winfield jr. Like you mentioned, is out Benjamin Morrison's out.
59:25It was a good corner for them. So I think it's just gonna be pass heavy, maybe some runs down to the low red zone.
59:32And then Tyler Smith might be back. Who's their best offensive lineman.
59:35Tower guidance been playing. Awesome. The left tackle Cooper BB has been playing.
59:39Well, tower Booker has been playing well. Like their whole line is there.
59:42And so, yeah, I'm before the season, I was all in on this Cowboys offense and nothing has dissuaded me.
59:48Like this is now I feel like they're finding their groove actually.
59:51And I'm, I'm very excited to see kind of this next step, but there's seven suplex right now.
59:56And I still don't even think, and that's what they don't live on explosive place.
60:00It's methodical. And then when they have to get explosive in the fourth quarter, they just go, boom, boom, boom and march down the field.
60:07It's, it's a very tough deep or offense to stop.
60:10No matter, even if you have a good unit.
60:13And I don't think the bucks, you know, it's that great right now.
60:16Nevermind. Definitely not. Yeah. They're, they're, they're, they're trending up the Cowboys.
60:20They're 11th, six, 12th, fourth, in terms of the weekly ranking seventh overall, they're, they're going in the right direction for sure.
60:26I think there'll be even higher after this week.
60:28What else you got for this game before we let you go, Nate?
60:32Yeah. Props. I had the Daniels anytime touchdown. And again, if you can find his rushing totals, I would say hard over
60:38on those, you know, maybe if you want all it's over, if you're a true sicko, you know, there's no Denzel Boston ladders this week.
60:45I'm sorry. I mean, that was so much fun to climb last week, but Jake Ferguson over 27 and a half receiving.
60:51I wouldn't go over the over 50. I think the other receivers will get spread out, but I do like him this
60:57week because the bucks are susceptible to tight end targets.
61:00Uh, and actually also speaking of tight end targets, Brevin span forward, anytime touchdown is plus seven 75.
61:05So that's just a fun sprinkle because I do think big bodies usually get these backup tight end looks when they're in
61:11the big bodies, get into the red zone. And I think that'll be, they'll have a lot of plays in the red
61:17zone, whether they're methodical and you can design the kind of tendency breaker.
61:21And then the last one is Ryan Flournoy, my guy, uh, 50 plus receiving is plus two 10.
61:26If you just want to do his over as well, because that's actually pretty smart.
61:30If they play against the blitz, he spreads it out.
61:32But Flournoy gets a lot of touches against the blitz, just on some of their play design.
61:37So I could see him getting peppered a little bit.
61:40If you want to go over his receiving receptions as well.
61:43And again, it's, it's a really good offense. And I'm very excited to watch this matchup actually, even if it's just when
61:49the Cowboys have the ball and maybe Jalen Daniels could do a couple of things fun, but that's where, that's where I'm at with this game.
61:56Good. Yeah. Ryan Flournoy. Yeah. 57% snaps in slots, 5.9 air yards per target.
62:00Like he can be that replace the blitz guy as well.
62:03He's a bigger body receiver, uh, that can be inside out.
62:06So, you know, that makes a lot of sense to me there.
62:10I'm going to just call my shot and say that George Pickens gets in the end zone this game.
62:15I don't know about yardage, anything like that. Just no touchdowns on the year so far.
62:19It feels like there's enough noise, you know, with the whole thing.
62:23I just, one, one goal line touchdown. I see red zone touchdown, incoming here for George Pickens.
62:27I'll call my shot on that one. I like that.
62:30Ryan. Yeah. So I have it up against the blitz this year.
62:33Ryan Flournoy has nine targets. Pickens has 10. CD William has 10.
62:37So it's kind of, it's a very balanced outlook.
62:39Yeah. Yeah, I know. And the explosive player explosives for route there, uh, CD lamb and George Pickens are exactly the same yards per route.
62:46CD lambs, 2.66 Pickens is 2.49. It's just, so again, it's kind of like, all right, pick your poison.
62:51And I, I don't think the, uh, the bucks right now have the horses to keep up with one of them.
62:57I think it's going to be Pickens that pops a little bit.
63:01So I like that as well. All right, Nate, you've done it all.
63:04You've said it all. Appreciate it. Thursday night football, offensive efficiency, static score, under center pace, the whole deal.
63:09We could, this was a true football slash fantasy nerd show for sure.
63:13So great stuff here. I will see you tomorrow for football.
63:16Three Oh one. You guys are definitely going to want to check that out.
63:20It's going to be a really fun preview show.
63:22I've already seen the topics. I'm getting jacked up about that show tomorrow, but for now, we're going to say goodbye to Nate.
63:29We're going to take a quick break. We come back.
63:32We've got Justin Boone and flex plays for week five.
63:34We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
63:37And here is this week's flex fit check presented by verse.
63:40A great fantasy flex player does it all. Just like verse guys where build your lineup of versatile looks fit for whatever the week throws at you.
63:48And look what the week has thrown at us here.
63:51It's Justin Boone back on the Wednesday show. Boone, what's going on, man?
63:54How you doing? What's happening, dude? Feeling good back in the groove here, back inside the top 10 and the fantasy pros, accuracy contest.
64:01You know how much that matters to me and how much time I put in trying to make sure that the rankings are accurate there.
64:08So that was very nice to get back inside the top 10 here after four weeks.
64:12And man, I think in terms of like what we're talking about today, it kind of ties together because like all the
64:18players that are ranked at the top. Yes, you can have some differences, but overall, like it's the same guys that are
64:25normally in like the top 10, the top 15 or so.
64:28It's when you get into like this flex range that it really matters.
64:31And I think that's where like the accuracy comes into play, right?
64:35Can you hit on these flex plays that are going to have the big week?
64:39So we've got to talk through a few of them today and figure it out, Herman.
64:43Yeah. See, this is where, why I'm never going to be good in the accuracy contest.
64:48Cause I sit there and look at the top 10 of the rankings for, I mean, shoot, even honestly, top 15, sometimes, especially at receiver.
64:54I'm like, Oh boy, Nico Collins, Chris, a lot of it.
64:58I don't care. Like you're probably starting both of those guys.
65:01What? You're not going to bench. So that's it.
65:03Just who cares? I'm not, you probably, I'm sure have like, well, actually this is how I'd order these guys very specifically.
65:09That whole deal. That part of it. I know, I know you got it down to a science.
65:14It's just ridiculous. It's, it's full. You should see me, like, especially when it gets to like Saturday and I have all
65:20the information in the brain and I'm just trying to figure out and split hairs between players.
65:25Yeah. It's, it's sad, man. It is very sad, but the results keep showing up.
65:29So I can't say too much. Yeah. Boone is out there.
65:32Like how, how can I find the exact minute difference to be 0.1% more accurate between the Nico Collins, Chris Olave split.
65:38And I'm like, Hmm. Cabernet or Peter Noir. I wonder what I'm going to have next.
65:43Anyways. So that's, that's one hour to Saturday is maybe looking a little different here, which is why Boone you're here.
65:49You need to help me with the first flex fit check.
65:52So we're going to talk three wide receivers, three running backs, two tight ends to discuss whether these guys are good flex
65:58plays or not based on their matchup. You know, we'll, we'll take a look here.
66:02All right, let's start at wide receiver, Josh Downs against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
66:05We were just talking about this with Nate earlier in the show.
66:09I don't love the way this Colts offense looks.
66:11Don't love the way Daniel Jones looks. I am still a big Josh Downs fan.
66:15I'm probably going to still have him ranked inside my top, maybe 30 to top 30 receivers, somewhere between 24 and 30.
66:22How do you feel about Josh Downs going to this week after a down week against the commanders?
66:27Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think you can definitely start him as a flex this week.
66:31We just have to adjust the expectations like a little bit, maybe.
66:35And I say that as somebody who last week was just way too guilty of getting hyped up on the no Alec Pierce and the no Keenan Allen.
66:43And the commanders are a great matchup. And oh my God, he's been getting tons of volume the last couple of weeks.
66:49He's had 70 yards in back-to-back weeks. This dude is going to go off and have over a hundred and a touchdown.
66:55And I ranked him inside my top 20. And that turned out to be a mistake for a variety of reasons, right?
67:01We can talk about how that game script really didn't go to plan because the other team lost their quarterback and that changed the outlook.
67:08But regardless, he didn't pay off in that way.
67:10And I think you talked about it maybe on the panic meter show, just the idea that he's not necessarily that guy, right?
67:17Like him getting over 70 yards in a couple of games.
67:20That's great. That's a great outcome for a player like him.
67:23He's not a true number one receiver in the NFL.
67:26He's just kind of playing one at the moment in this offense because they don't really have another guy to do that.
67:32I'm also very worried though about the Daniel Jones of it all.
67:35And he has not looked good. And this matchup with the Steelers, that scares me a little bit.
67:40Are they going to get to Daniel Jones and cause some havoc, you know, coming back from London and then having to
67:46go to Pittsburgh for this game doesn't really make me feel too good about that.
67:50So we're bringing Josh Downs back to earth. We're putting him back in the range.
67:54Like you said, more of that volume based wide receiver three, but that's definitely somebody that you can put in your flex spot.
68:01Yeah, for sure. And this Steelers team, they'll throw some blitz stuff at you.
68:05They'll play a lot of zone on the back end.
68:07It leads to peppering these short targets and the Colts are all too happy to do that right now.
68:13I mean, yes, this is not 2025 Daniel Jones.
68:15We're talking about here. This is the team ranks 31st in drop back EPA right now.
68:20As I said with Nate earlier, like they're not a good passing team right now, but you can hope for some volume.
68:26I think there will be some volume in this game a little bit more than there was in the last week.
68:32Just a little bit of a fluke performance there, but yeah, I could see another 77 yards type situation for Downs here.
68:38Yeah, for sure. And I always try to factor this in when I'm giving people advice in terms of their lineups is
68:44you're going to look at the players on Yahoo, right?
68:46You're going to see his matchup with the Steelers.
68:49Doesn't look great. The 10th fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
68:52So maybe you're a little bit worried about that, but actually the Steelers have given up some points like other than it's
68:58kind of skewed because that week one matchup with the Falcons and Cooper rush and nobody got home in terms of the passing game in that one.
69:06But since then, Romeo Dobbs, Jamar chase, T Higgins, Denzel Boston, they've all had at least 89 yards against the Steelers defense.
69:12And then Casey Concepcion, who might be a more apt comparison for Downs.
69:15He had five for 64 on eight targets last week.
69:18And that's right in that wheelhouse, right? Harmon, like we're back in that range of like 60, 70 yards.
69:23And that's more than enough. This isn't a week winning player in terms of Josh Downs, but this is a guy that
69:29can definitely fill out a starting spot in your lineup.
69:32Yeah. Maybe he catches a touchdown. Maybe he doesn't.
69:35And that ultimately ends up with where the ceiling outcome is.
69:38Okay. Next guy up here. This is the London game this week, or the England game this week.
69:43We've got Don Tavian Wicks against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
69:45A lot of current news with the Philadelphia Eagles related to the offensive line.
69:49Probably not getting Devante Smith in this game. Where are you at with Don Tavian Wicks from a week five rankings perspective?
69:55So I have my next rankings update going up on Thursday.
69:58So depending when people are listening to this or seeing this, they might already be up.
70:03You can go check that out. But Wicks is one of the biggest followers from the initial rankings.
70:08I had him, I think at wide receiver 33.
70:10And since then, like just everything's gone in the wrong direction, right?
70:14In terms of Lane Johnson retiring. And now this camp Jurgits trade.
70:17And it is a absolute nightmare here for this offense.
70:20Devante Smith, not practicing Saquon Barkley, probably not out there.
70:22Dallas Goddard, not practicing. So doesn't look like any cavalry is coming to help this offense.
70:27That really scares me. They're going up against the Jags who have been pretty good really this year in terms of that
70:33defense and being a legitimate contender where the Eagles are kind of headed in the opposite direction.
70:38So Wicks for me now falling outside of my top 40 receivers in my next rankings update.
70:42It's not solidified yet, but he's going to be somewhere outside of the top 40.
70:46I would basically be scared to play almost anybody in this Eagles offense.
70:50Will Shipley is the one that because all these other backs are probably going to be out, he's going to get some volume.
70:56He's got a role in the passing game. He can still probably get there for you in terms of being an RB
71:03three, but man, do you have any more hope for Wicks?
71:06I would want to sit him just like I'd want to sit basically everybody for the Eagles.
71:10That's where I'm at too, man. By the way, this Jaguars defense is awesome.
71:14I think this is a really, really good team that they close these zone coverage windows.
71:19Travis Hunter cornerback tape was absolutely unbelievable. The last couple of weeks.
71:22I was talking about this one with Hayden and Josh yesterday on stats versus film.
71:26He even has a rep where actually against the guy we're about to talk about here in a minute, just comes down
71:32and pops Dante Myers on the sideline. He's hunters playing extremely well right now.
71:36So even the matchup is another variable here that points me away from Wicks.
71:40Yeah. I'm going to probably have him closer to wide receiver 40 than wide receiver 30.
71:44So I'm with you there. There's going to be some guys I like better.
71:48Even one guy, maybe I Roman Wilson against, against the Colts in that same defense.
71:52I'm going to maybe save those notes for tomorrow's preview show, but he's a guy I might even play over Don Tavian
71:59Wicks, which I did not imagine myself saying that a couple of weeks ago.
72:02Yeah. It doesn't seem like Michael Pittman jr. is going to be out there this week.
72:07So Roman Wilson, definitely getting a bit of a boost there.
72:10Just back to the Eagles quickly before we move on.
72:13Even the sports books are viewing this as them being one of the worst offenses this week, right?
72:18Their implied total at 17 and a quarter implied points.
72:20That's the second worst on the week, Carmen. Like what has happened to this Eagles offense?
72:25So you can't even look at it and say, well, at least they're projected for a decent amount of points.
72:30Somebody's going to get those points. No. And they're going to travel late in the week.
72:35They're going to go out there on Friday. And I mean, it's not the same as traveling to Australia like the Rams did.
72:41And then they just got absolutely smacked around in that one.
72:44But it's probably not a great idea with all these things going on.
72:48Now you're going to show up late in the week.
72:51Like it just seems to be setting up for the Jags to really blow them out in this game.
72:56And that's what's projected right now. They're over a touchdown favorite.
72:59I don't know. Maybe they leave Nick Sirianni over there in Europe.
73:02We'll see. All right. We got to move on from the Eagles before producer JB.
73:06Maybe he's probably just crying. We can't hear him in the ear, but I'm pretty sure I can hear his tears, even though they're not audible.
73:14Okay. Let's go to our last wide receiver. The aforementioned Dante Myers.
73:17Boone didn't have this on my bingo card that we'd be talking about Dante Myers five weeks in the NFL season.
73:23I charted his routes for reception perception. We didn't even have his headshot in the end season tracker had to add that.
73:29So, I mean, that's where we're at here with Myers.
73:32Where's where do you have him in the relative range of flex plays league sizes?
73:36The whole deal wide receiver 36 and rising man.
73:38So that is a start. That is somebody that you could definitely put into your flex spot.
73:43If we find out that both chase and Higgins are going to be out, I think I'll be moving him into my
73:49top 30 on the week in terms of receivers.
73:52And right now, I mean, chase is in concussion protocol.
73:54The, the reports early in the week were like, he has a 50, 50 chance.
73:59It's most guys sit out a week when they're in concussion protocol.
74:02Sometimes they can get cleared and they can actually play, but most guys miss a week.
74:06So I'm projecting him to be out right now.
74:09You look at Higgins and there was a report early.
74:12One of the beat writers was like, he's going to be limited today.
74:15Turns out he didn't practice at all either. So man, it doesn't look like either of these players are going to be out there.
74:22Somebody's going to have to catch the ball against the dolphins.
74:25And Myers showed us last week, like he put up that stat line.
74:29And we have proof of concept already, right? In terms of him getting nine targets, seven catches for 82 yards last week.
74:35That's enough for me to chase it again here.
74:37And it doesn't mean he's going to come through.
74:40We've seen teams basically just run all over the dolphins and not really have to use the receivers that much.
74:45They're also the dolphins defense has been really bad against tight ends.
74:48We'll talk about that more. We get to the tight end flex options in a second, but yeah, he is going to
74:55be Joe Burrell's number one target in this game at worst.
74:58Number two, Mike Gusecki ends up being the number one target.
75:01So he is in play here. A smaller guy, not overly fast, but it's pretty smooth out there.
75:06He looks like he has enough juice. And I think you could play him as a wide receiver three this week.
75:11And this Bengals run game is bad. So they're kind of giving up on the under center stuff.
75:16They're dead last and under center. They're not really able to establish any sort of ground game at this point.
75:2228th. And they probably will be able to against Miami.
75:25I would imagine, but it'll be better, but it's just in their DNA to want to get into the gun and push
75:31it outside, do the whole quick, quick attack thing, which leads into, I think Myers is skill set who also played all over the field.
75:38He was playing some outside on ball snaps. He wasn't just kind of a gimmicky slot based player.
75:43So yeah, I'm, I was intrigued enough with what I saw on tape with Myers to be open to him being kind
75:49of in that range that you talked about there.
75:51And they have a buy in week six. So, you know, you don't want to look at the trap game stuff with the dolphins.
75:58Weird things can happen, but you could probably get by this week, have a buy of a literal by the week after
76:04to get these guys like chase and Higgins healthy coming out of the buy.
76:08Okay. Let's get to the running backs here. We'll stay in that same game.
76:12Your best friend, him of $7 on the waiver wire, Ollie Gordon against the Cincinnati Bengals.
76:16Where are we ranking Ollie Gordon this week? I don't think I'm someone that has take lock that often.
76:22So please help me out here. If I'm coming across, take lock when it comes to this dolphins backfield, but I don't
76:28see Ollie Gordon as a great play this week.
76:30I would be looking to try to sit him.
76:33And I know 102 scrimmage yards and a score.
76:35It was a very solid day. The 53 yard touchdown helped a lot in that one.
76:40The stat line would have looked much more like it did the week before, which is not a ton of production, but
76:46we still count the long runs as well. There's been some talk from the coaching staff that they're going to try to
76:52get Jalen Wright more work this week. And for the record, like Jalen Wright did start that game.
76:57He was out there on the first drive. Then Ollie Gordon got out there.
77:01And then it seemed like Gordon was the more successful one.
77:04And that's what kind of earned him some more snaps as they went.
77:07But this still could go in any direction. I like what we saw from Ollie Gordon last week, but it's hard for
77:13me to get excited about somebody in this dolphins backfield.
77:16That still, I think is up in the air that writes touches could get higher that we could see this be more
77:22of a hot hand situation, which is what I think it was last week.
77:26Don't love the matchup going against Dexter Lawrence and that Bengals defense, which has been a little bit better against the run
77:32this year than they were last year when they were the absolute worst against the run.
77:37So for me, I'm still trying to steer clear.
77:39If I can, it's going to come down to what options you have.
77:43A lot of people out there who are running back needy bid, big, big numbers to try to get him last week.
77:49And if you're in that situation, maybe you have to play him.
77:52But if I can, I'm trying to stay away from Ollie Gordon and that dolphins backfield.
77:57Yeah. Look, I think to your point, not only is this still the worst offense in the NFL, their 32nd in the offensive efficiency metrics.
78:04We talked about in the first part of the show.
78:06They're also dead last in pace score. They do not run a lot of plays.
78:11They're 31st in plays per game. They're 31st in pass rate over expected.
78:14They're 29th and no huddle percentage. They don't, they just don't run a lot of plays.
78:19That's it. Like they, they don't, there's not a lot of opportunity to get touches in this offense.
78:24And if Jalen Wright, who was 31% of the running back touches, Ollie Gordon was 69%.
78:28So that's the thing. You're, you're just, you got to know that it's a very much, you're, you're walking a tight rope with players from this offense.
78:35And the dolphins have the third lowest implied point total on the week at 17 and a half.
78:40So it's again, a situation where do you really want to invest in this?
78:44Are we really chasing that in a backfield where I'm not sure which way this is going to go?
78:50I know a lot of people think after last week that Ollie Gordon's the guy, but yeah, look at the amount of touches, 11 touches last week.
78:57Is he going to get up to 15 this week?
79:00Like maybe is he ever going to get up in the 20 range again?
79:04I don't know. And even if he does the efficiency, like last week was definitely skewed by that one big run.
79:10So for me, if you can, I would try to steer clear.
79:13Yeah. I think I saw Hayden make this point that this is where some of the target share.
79:18And in this case, running back touch share numbers can be less helpful than expected fantasy models.
79:23I believe Hayden was making that point. I saw on social media earlier this week.
79:27Like this is one of those times. Cause yeah, 69% of the rain matches.
79:31Like, Oh yeah, that's work. It's 11. It's 11 touches.
79:33It's, it's 11 touches. That's where the Viking, that's where the dolphins are at at this point.
79:38Where are you going to have him ranked? Like in the, in the, I know we're talking flex plays, but running back
79:44rankings, where do you think you'll slot him? I think I have it open right next to me here.
79:49I was moving him down. I believe he was like RB 37 or 38 for me.
79:54Let's see. All right. So you're pretty, pretty low.
79:56Yeah. RB 36 at the moment. I feel bad.
79:59Cause I actually do kind of like Ollie Gordon, the player.
80:02I just think from an environment standpoint, this is it's, it's really, again, it comes back to mostly the environment, but I
80:08do think he's a really quality back. And I, I'd actually like to see him get more burn.
80:13You're probably going to have this guy ranked higher, but I do talk about another uncomfortable situation.
80:18RJ Harvey at the Los Angeles chargers. Where are you at with Harvey?
80:21I know we talked about him earlier this week, the whole Broncos mess, where you got RJ Harvey this week.
80:27So I think he's like the definition of a flex play.
80:30Like it's not somebody that you want to put in as your weekly RB to, you definitely don't feel comfortable.
80:35If he has to be that, but you can put them in your flex spot.
80:40JK Dobbins. He has struggled and we've talked about it, right?
80:43JK Dobbins has not really come through. We're not getting big yardage.
80:46We're not getting big plays from him. He's barely involved in the passing game.
80:50We also have Jonah Coleman on IR. So it's really setting things up nicely for Harvey.
80:54And we've seen the last couple of weeks. It's not his rushing.
80:58It's just the pass catching. That's getting them. There's 17 targets over the last two games, caught 16 of them for 109 yards.
81:04Meanwhile, he's only rushed nine times for 31 yards, no touchdown.
81:07So you don't like to see that, but JK Dobbins is in the coping corner for a reason, right?
81:12So it doesn't give me a lot of faith that all of a sudden he's going to have a big game, even
81:18going against the chargers, which you would think is a matchup that they should be able to take advantage of, right?
81:24Chargers let the two Cardinals running backs go off for 120 scrimmage yards and a touchdown in week one, the bills, two
81:30running backs over 200 scrimmage yards and a touchdown.
81:33And then Emmanuel Wilson last week, right? 120 scrimmage yards and two TDs.
81:36I don't know if we're going to expect anything like that from this Broncos backfield based on what we've seen from them so far.
81:43The sad thing about this too, Harmon is man, the Broncos are only favored by three points in this game with the
81:49way the Chargers have looked this year. I know divisional games can be a little wonky and strange things can happen, but
81:55going into the season, if I had told you the Chargers would be as bad as they've been in the first month,
82:01you would have thought the Broncos would have been at least touchdown favorites, maybe double digit favorites.
82:06Yeah. Very, very strange in this one. I know the factors in like the, the defensive injuries they have Patrick Sertan and Riley Moss, they're banged up.
82:14So defense might not have the same kind of teeth that normally would, but still man Broncos have some self-respect here, right?
82:20You better blow these guys out of the water.
82:22And if they do that, they need the running backs to get going.
82:26So probably going to get a touchdown from this backfield.
82:29I would imagine. Don't know who that's going to come from, but Harvey is definitely getting the passing work.
82:34I like him as a flex play this week.
82:36He's right around RB 29 for me. Yeah. And I mean, this could just be another one of those check down games for RJ Harvey.
82:43The charters play a good bit of too high coverage.
82:46They do try to put the lid on you from a defensive standpoint.
82:50And Bo Nix is all too happy to not have to not even test that lid.
82:54Don't launch it over the middle. As we saw last week, just check that thing down RJ Harvey over and over again.
83:00We could see a decent bit of that here.
83:03Okay. Last running back. We're going to talk about this is an interesting one.
83:07Tyler Algier against the Detroit lions. We got the Jeremiah love kind of, you know, is he on a percent less workload, the whole deal.
83:13We got that hanging over heads. Plus this is the highest point.
83:17Total projection on the board. This particular game here, lions Cardinals.
83:20Yeah. We got an update right before I jumped on.
83:23I'm trying to go back and make sure that I'm going to get it right here, but the coaching staff saying that
83:29love isn't expected to be bothered by the ankle injury this week, that they're not projecting that to be an issue for him.
83:35Will they still be kind of monitoring his work?
83:38It seems probably like it based on the way things went last week and the way he talked after the game.
83:43But still, even in a pretty good matchup here, as long as love is out there practicing normally, we don't have anything
83:49like that negative about him this week in terms of him being extremely limited or potentially missing time.
83:54Like you did late in that game last week.
83:57Then I think Algiers should also be a sit.
83:59I know he's getting involved. I know he's getting touches.
84:02I know the lions matchup is a decent one, right?
84:05We've seen decent backs go out there and have good games against them.
84:09129 yards and two TDs from Chuba and week two, it was 139 and a touchdown to James cook, even in week
84:15one, like the saints backfield, which hasn't been great.
84:17I mean, Alvin Kamara had like this resurgent game in on Monday night last week, but in week one, the saints running
84:23backs combined for 108 yards and a touchdown. So the lions matchup is great.
84:27And yet I just can't feel confident about Algiers projection in terms of how much he's going to get because this whole
84:33situation is kind of up in the air with love.
84:36So I would be sitting him Harmon. Is that, is that too harsh?
84:40Like based on what we saw last week, it does seem like he's going to have a role.
84:45Would you be willing to actually get him into your flex?
84:48I don't think so. I think that's getting pretty cute.
84:50Now. I mean, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at the running back rankings.
84:54It gets really gross really quick. I mean, even I'm going to probably have Ollie Gordon ranked higher than you do just
85:00because like, okay, we get into the JK Dobbins zone really quickly.
85:04We just talked about that. You get into the Keaton Mitchell zone, the Blake, like Blake Corum, these guys.
85:09I mean, I think Algier, if you're desperate, like you can go touchdown chasing, but I think that's what you're doing is
85:15you're really chasing touchdowns here, which are very, very fickle.
85:18So, okay. Just to put, just to put some context to this, we've talked Harvey, we've talked Gordon, we've talked Algier, put
85:24those guys in order for me, least to most desirable to be in your flex.
85:28Uh, in terms of right now, the way I have it is Harvey first and it's Gordon second and Algier third, but
85:34the last two, they're right next to each other.
85:37They're back to back. So again, trying to avoid them.
85:40If I can, I totally understand though. Don't get mad at me out there.
85:43I get it. If you don't have better options, I got some teams that are struggling at the flex spot as well.
85:50It happens with injuries. We've got bi-weeks going now.
85:52So if you have to play those players, it's fine.
85:55You can, but hopefully you have better options. Yeah, you could do worse, but not much worse basically is, is what you're saying.
86:01Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense there.
86:04Okay. Last two guys, we're going to talk about tight end position here.
86:08Mike Gusecki revenge game against the Miami dolphins. As I told you earlier this week, Mike Gusecki has run the same amount
86:14of routes from the tight end position as you and producer Colin and JB and Jung and me all combined.
86:19Even Steph. Okay. Yeah. We've all run zero routes from the tight end position so far this year.
86:24So is Mike Gusecki. He's a fake wide receiver.
86:27So there's a fake tight end. He's, he's kind of a wide receiver.
86:30Not that anybody wants his reception perception chart. Never get requested for that one.
86:34Anyways, boom. Gusecki flex viable. How good is he relative to Myers?
86:37Even if we're talking about sneaking a bangle into the lineup here.
86:41If both the receivers are out, which again, that's what I'm projecting at the moment.
86:45If both these guys are out, I have Gusecki at tight end nine right now.
86:49And that's the kind of upside we have. We've already scored three touchdowns this season.
86:53Last time he played the dolphins, he scored a touchdown.
86:56He has these big blow up, blow up games.
86:59When there are injuries at receiver that's occurred, even going back to when he was with the dolphins, there'd be guys out.
87:05And all of a sudden Gusecki would come on and be a good fantasy play.
87:09So he's somebody that I think you definitely want to look to get into your lineup, even maybe above.
87:14And this might be like sacrilegious, but even above like the Ollie Gordons and the Tyler, I was years of the world
87:20who are like touchdown or bust RB three flex.
87:23Yeah. I think if you have a top 10 tight end, like Gusecki and in these games this year where he's had
87:29pretty good results, five for 78 and a touchdown, 37 yards and a touchdown, 40 yards in a touchdown.
87:34Like, is that not what the stat line might look like for those running backs that we just talked about?
87:40So he's somebody that certainly can be a flex and he's going against the dolphins.
87:44I hinted at it earlier, just hemorrhaging points to tight ends, the fifth best fantasy matchup for the position this year, four
87:50for 80 and a touchdown to Kittle in week two, 59 and a TD to Kelsey and then 13 for 119 yards to TJ Hawkinson last week.
87:57Just an absurd stat line there. So yes, Gusecki is a quality streamer.
88:01I think he belongs in that low end tight end one conversation and it might surprise people that I would be putting
88:07him over some of the names like we talked about and Ollie Gordon, Tyler Algier, some of those other more traditional flex place.
88:13I'm totally with you on this one though. So every time these receivers miss Gusecki pops up, he essentially just runs all of his routes from the slot.
88:21It's a great matchup. It's an offense that we trust.
88:24I mean, if again, if I'm ranking most likely to have the productive day, I think Gusecki actually is more likely than Myers to have that production.
88:31So just because again, we've seen it with more proof of concept with him.
88:35I know top 10 tight end this week for you.
88:38I think I'm going to be close to that as well.
88:41I bet you're going to have, I mean, what are you going to have him ranked over like Colson Loveland, Harold Fannin?
88:47I mean, probably right. I have him ahead of Fannin.
88:50I have him one spot below Colson Loveland at the moment, but he's right in that range.
88:55I mean, he's right in that range. Yeah. And again, these are the type, that's the type of role Loveland has where he has nine targets last week.
89:02Gusecki could have nine targets in this game pretty easily.
89:05Okay. Last one there. You mentioned him TJ Hawkinson.
89:08Are you chasing the stick route dump off nonsense that we saw from Kyler Murray and TJ Hawkinson last week?
89:13Are you advising people to go in a different direction?
89:16I would go in a different direction, but it really comes down to where Jefferson's at.
89:20And it sounds like he was going to be limited in practice today.
89:24So if he's back out there this week, which I think it's probably trending in that direction.
89:29If he's back out there, then Hawkinson just goes back to being a kind of risky tight end to streamer type, not
89:35somebody that you want to play in the flex.
89:37But I mean, even if Jefferson's out again, does not, this not seem like the Dalton Schultz thing from a few weeks
89:43ago, like Dalton Schultz, the first game without Nico Collins, it was what?
89:4712 catches, 140 yards. Everyone goes out and tries to get that production the next week, but the defensive coordinator, defensive players
89:53on the next team get to see that game tape.
89:56They know exactly what's going to happen. And they just took him out of the game.
90:00They really did. He had like 30 yards in the next game.
90:04So I could see that happening here with Hawkinson, that if Jefferson misses, he ends up being kind of a focal point of the defense.
90:11They take that away and we don't see anything close to that again, but also it kind of seems like Jefferson's going to play this week.
90:18Does it not? I know it's early. We're recording this on Wednesday.
90:21We don't have all the information to go off of, but I'm projecting right now that I think Jefferson's going to play.
90:27Yeah. I mean, he very well might. I would say the one thing that's interesting there is they do have a week six by.
90:34So do they want to give him another week?
90:36Potentially. But I think Jefferson wants to be out there if he's even close to able to be.
90:41He wanted to get back out there in the game against Tampa.
90:45You know, so there's definitely a good, I mean, I would say probably right now it's more likely than not that he, that he's out there.
90:52And anyways, either way, the only thing I would say about just, yes, Jefferson will be back.
90:57That's a big part of it. Kyler Murray, just turning down a ton of throws that were open or just about to
91:03come open over the middle of the field, like the in breakers to Addison.
91:07I get it. If you don't trust Jordan Addison, I don't really trust Jordan Addison either, to be honest, to do that stuff.
91:13So it was just kind of the worst impulses of Murray, which the worst impulses of Murray is just again, hitch route,
91:19hitch route, hitch route to TJ Hawkinson. So I think there's some sustainability there, but I won't have him ranked as a tight end one this week.
91:27To your point, I think it will be Justin Jefferson's back.
91:30Nico Collins is back. That type of tight end does fade away.
91:33So I do think that's a really good analogy by you, but man, we, we ran the whole gamut here with these guys.
91:39We went all the way from Josh Downs to TJ Hawkinson, some, some kind of gross running back plays.
91:45Boone. We did. I think we did the people right in terms of getting their flex spots ready for week five.
91:50For sure. And like I mentioned, go check out the updated rankings, Harmon's mine, Hayden, everybody's are going to be up on
91:56Thursday and updated out there before the Thursday nighter gets going.
92:00So check them all out there. If you have specific ones, you can send us questions, obviously, or just go look who's ranked higher in the rankings.
92:07Yeah. Okay. You can look at Boone's. You can look at Hayden's.
92:10Take a look at Joel's. Take a look at Scott's.
92:13You don't have to look at mine. You don't have to look at mine.
92:17It's fine. I'm doing, doing the best, doing the best I can.
92:20Okay. Which is not very good. So make sure you look at Boone's rankings.
92:24I mean, he's talking about, he's, he's teasing the rankings updates.
92:27Like it's, you know, the Odyssey coming out in theaters or, you know, I don't, I don't even know what movie, what movie's coming out next.
92:34He's, he's teasing it. You know, he's got something coming up here for the rankings update.
92:39Yeah. Mine, mine will be there as well. So definitely make sure you check out Boone's rankings.
92:44And of course, check us on fantasy football live on Sunday morning, as we are deep diving on the rankings, your starts at questions.
92:50I will see you then Boone Sunday morning, but for now, that's going to do it for this show tomorrow.
92:56We will be back 4 PM Eastern on this very YouTube channel.
92:59Josh Norris joins me for the week five preview.
93:02Until then, we are out.