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1st quarter season review: Offenses to BUY and SELL in fantasy rest of season

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1 hr 33 min
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Oct 8, 2026
Published
Thu, October 8, 2026
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Topics
Marvin Harrison Jr.Bijan RobinsonBo NixCaleb WilliamsCeeDee LambChris OlaveDrake LondonGeorge PickensIan ThomasKirk CousinsMichael MayerMichael Penix Jr.Mike Washington Jr.Nico Collins
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A.J. Brown

PositiveRole21:58

Matt Harmon identifies AJ Brown's return as a key catalyst for Patriots offense improvement; Brown coming back opens up more offensive options and schematic flexibility for the team, which showed tangible improvement in Week 4 (8th in pace score after ranking 27th Week 1, 18th Week 2, 26th Week 3).

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Aaron Jones

NegativeRole48:41

Matt Harmon cautions against relying on Aaron Jones as the Vikings' primary running back; at 30+ years old, he is boom-bust and inconsistent, though Harmon suggests this may be acceptable given the Vikings' strong defense and special teams.

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Bijan Robinson

PositiveRole43:57

Under Kevin Stefanski's offensive scheme with the Falcons, Bijan Robinson is the primary focal point of the offense alongside Drake London. The offense is designed to run every play concept through Robinson, with no wasted plays on auxiliary receivers. Stefanski is credited for not overthinking the scheme and committing fully to Robinson as a centerpiece.

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PositiveProjection45:55

Nate Burleson is buying the Falcons' offensive improvement and specifically credits Bijan Robinson's run game as real and foundational to the offense's ceiling. He notes Bill Callahan's offensive line coaching has provided a spark, and Robinson's rushing production is a key reason the Falcons have improved from 26th to 1st in offensive efficiency over the past two weeks. Burleson expects the Falcons to remain much better than their first two weeks, though not quite at the elite level of weeks 3-4.

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Bo Nix

NegativeProjection37:34

Bo Nix struggles to push the football down the field or to the outside, creating a tight, constrained Broncos offense. Harmon notes this is consistent with Nix's process and playing style—he's the same age as Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy but operates with less vertical aggression. The lack of a downfield passing threat creates a trickle-down effect where defenders don't have to respect deep coverage, allowing them to play closer to the line of scrimmage as the game progresses.

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NegativeProjection40:22

Bo Nix's process and play style are consistent with his historical performance; he's the same age as Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy but hasn't shown explosive development. While there may be a short-term spark from coaching changes and national attention, the underlying concern is that 'leopards, cheetahs don't change their spots.' The Broncos offense is at best a bottom-half unit, not bottom-10, but the passing game will be extremely volatile based on whether Nix hits one or two big plays. From the pocket on Sunday, Nix's average air to the sticks was negative 4.3, which is 'absolutely incredible' in a negative sense—indicating no space in the offense and a check-down-heavy approach that prevents plays from breathing.

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Brevin Jordan

PositiveMatchup61:00

Jordan anytime touchdown prop at +775 odds is a sprinkle play; backup tight ends get red-zone looks when Cowboys deploy big-body formations; Cowboys expected to have multiple red-zone plays in this matchup.

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Brian Robinson

PositiveValue46:27

Matt Harmon views Brian Robinson as one of the best bench holds available; he has standalone upside and can be flex-relevant in certain weeks against bad run defenses, similar to Tyler Algier's role. Harmon actively pursued him on waivers as the exact type of player he wants on his bench.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveRole6:00

Bowers is the ace of the Raiders offense; he's the star and primary target despite the team running heavy personnel packages with multiple tight ends and receivers. Matt Harmon notes the Raiders are a historic outlier in how little they get from wide receivers, instead concentrating production through Bowers and fellow tight end Michael Mayer.

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Bryce Lance

PositiveRole18:48

Bryce Lance is seventh in the NFL in routes and is one of the fastest players in the league; Matt Harmon, who was 'super bullish' on him, notes the Saints are trying to get him going with both burner usage and more traditional route concepts. Lance is currently an auxiliary player in a one-two receiver setup but Harmon is 'buying into' the offense's potential to feature him more.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeUsage58:08

Irving's goal-line usage has regressed; the Buccaneers have shifted back to Sean Tucker at the goal line after Matt Harmon was initially excited about Irving's usage in the first couple of weeks, reducing his red zone opportunity share.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeInjury38:48

Caleb Williams suffered an injury during the Bears' Week 3 game against the Vikings in rainy conditions, which contributed to the Bears' 27th-ranked offensive performance that week. The injury occurred in difficult weather that limited offensive execution.

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PositiveUsage47:39

Matt Harmon notes that Caleb Williams and Golden Watson will benefit from the Packers' more static offensive scheme combined with increased pace; the team will be "chucking it" frequently due to a weak run game and aggressive defense, creating a "print fest" for fantasy purposes.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveMatchup59:01

Lamb benefits from Cowboys' pass-heavy game plan against Buccaneers; Matt Harmon expects methodical offensive approach with explosive fourth-quarter execution; Cowboys offense trending upward (11th, 6th, 12th, 4th weekly rankings, 7th overall) and expected to rank even higher after this week.

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PositiveProjection59:05

The Cowboys offense ranks fifth in points per drive through four weeks and is positioned to score even more against the Buccaneers' weak defense. With Antoine Renfield and Benjamin Morris out for Tampa Bay, the Cowboys passing game will have favorable matchups, benefiting their top receivers like Lamb.

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Chris Brooks

NegativeRole50:04

Matt Harmon expresses frustration that the Packers continue to use Chris Brooks as their running back despite him being a pass-protection back, when Caleb Johnson is a better option; this limits the run game and forces more passing volume.

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Chris Olave

NegativeInjury18:48

Chris Olave is currently injured and missing time; Matt Harmon notes this context when discussing Devon Bailey's opportunity, indicating Olave's absence is opening up routes for other Saints receivers.

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NegativeProjection104:54

Chris Olave is mentioned as a top-10 to top-15 receiver in rankings who is likely to be started in most lineups, making him less relevant for flex play analysis and accuracy contest purposes. The context suggests Olave is a consensus starter rather than a flex decision.

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Drake London

PositiveRole43:57

Drake London is the primary receiver in Kevin Stefanski's Falcons offense, with every pass concept designed to feature him as the first option. The offense is built around London and Bijan Robinson with no wasted plays on other receivers, reflecting Stefanski's commitment to maximizing his star playmakers.

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PositiveRole46:06

Matt Harmon expects the Falcons run game to improve significantly from the first two weeks, with Bill Callahan's offensive line coaching providing a spark. Drake London is positioned as a buy alongside the improved Falcons offense.

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Emmett Johnson

PositiveSleeper11:30

Emmitt Johnson is making his touches very productive for the Seahawks, similar to the value Gentry provides. Matt Harmon suggests if Johnson is available in your league, you should 'swoop him up' or 'Trojan horse it,' implying he's undervalued and could be a league-winner type pickup.

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George Pickens

PositiveMatchup59:15

Pickens has a favorable bounce-back matchup against the Buccaneers defense. The Cowboys offense ranks fifth in points per drive through four weeks and will be passing heavily against Tampa Bay's weak pass defense, creating volume opportunities for Pickens.

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PositiveMatchup62:02

Matt Harmon calls his shot on George Pickens scoring a red zone touchdown against Tampa Bay; Pickens has zero touchdowns on the season so far but matches CD Lamb's 2.49 yards per route (Lamb at 2.66), suggesting explosive potential. Harmon believes Pickens will pop more than Lamb in this matchup because the Buccaneers lack the defensive horses to contain both receivers.

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Ian Thomas

PositiveRole5:31

Ian Thomas got a touchdown in the Raiders' improved offense, which is using tight ends heavily with 20+ snaps of single-receiver sets, indicating opportunity for secondary tight end targets.

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NegativeUsage6:00

Ian Thomas got a touchdown in the Raiders' game, though Matt Harmon notes this is more real football than fantasy football value, suggesting limited consistent fantasy upside despite the scoring opportunity.

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Jacoby Brissett

PositiveProjection24:00

Matt Harmon suggests buying low on Jacoby Brissett as the Patriots' quarterback; the offense showed schematic improvements in Week 4 and Brissett played better, making him a potential value target for teams looking to upgrade at QB.

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Jake Ferguson

PositiveMatchup60:45

Ferguson over 27.5 receiving yards is a favorable prop; Buccaneers are susceptible to tight end targets; Cowboys expected to be pass-heavy with quick-game emphasis against Tampa Bay.

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Jalen Hurts

PositiveMatchup58:56

Hurts can pick apart the Buccaneers defense, which is vulnerable to passing attacks. The Cowboys defense (mentioned as a comparison point) ranks fifth in points per drive through four weeks, and Hurts has the arm talent and mobility to exploit Tampa Bay's defensive weaknesses.

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Jalon Daniels

PositiveMatchup60:32

Daniels has anytime touchdown prop at favorable odds; Matt Harmon recommends hard over on Daniels' rushing totals if available; Cowboys offense expected to be pass-heavy with explosive red-zone execution against Buccaneers.

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Jonah Coleman

NegativeRole40:00

Jonah Coleman may provide a spark to the Broncos' run game when he returns from injury, but Harmon tempers expectations: Coleman is more of a get-on-base running back than an explosive player. Given Bo Nix's inability to push the ball downfield, Coleman's limited explosiveness may not fully solve the Broncos' offensive tightness.

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Jordan Love

NegativeProjection49:13

Matt Harmon expects Jordan Love to have boom games given the Packers' increased passing volume and pace, though the weak run game and overall offensive limitations mean consistency will be limited.

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Josh Downs

NegativeProjection104:05

Matt Harmon ranks Josh Downs inside his top 24-30 receivers despite concerns about the Colts offense and Daniel Jones' play. Harmon notes Downs is not a true number-one receiver in the NFL but is playing that role due to lack of alternatives; he's had 70 yards in back-to-back weeks but underperformed expectations (ranked top 20) against Washington due to game script and quarterback issues. Against Pittsburgh, Harmon suggests adjusting expectations downward while still considering him a viable flex play, though he expresses worry about Daniel Jones' performance and the Steelers' pass rush.

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Justin Jefferson

NegativeProjection48:07

Matt Harmon is not selling on Justin Jefferson despite the Vikings offense being boom-bust; he expects the offense to improve from its current bottom-three ranking to around 18th-20th best depending on matchups, with Jefferson's return and the offense's experimental adjustments under KOC.

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Juwan Johnson

NegativeUsage18:48

Jawan Johnson is among the top route runners in the Saints' high-pace, no-huddle offense, indicating significant offensive involvement and opportunity.

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Kenneth Gainwell

PositiveUsage58:30

Gainwell needs more involvement in the Buccaneers offense; he caught a touchdown last week and should be featured more, particularly against a Cowboys defense that is strong against the run and will force Tampa Bay to pass.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveRole11:15

Kenneth Walker remains the lead back for the Seahawks as long as he stays healthy, with the run game being a real strength for the team.

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Kirk Cousins

PositiveProjection7:55

Kirk Cousins is QB9 in fantasy scoring this season, ahead of Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Trevor Lawrence, Matthew Stafford, and Jordan Love. Matt Harmon did not expect the Raiders to commit to Cousins for the full season, but he's executing the offense at a high level with increased aggression and confidence, including late throws over the middle and bootleg plays reminiscent of Patrick Mahomes' style.

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PositiveRole8:45

Cousins is showing increased aggression and confidence in the Raiders offense under new coaching, including late-game throws to tight ends over the middle and answering blitzes without check-down reliance. On 27 plays with one or fewer receivers, 14 were dropbacks with 10 successful; Cousins posted 9.1 net yards per attempt, 0.53 EPA per dropback, and 71% success rate in one week. Matt Harmon notes the Raiders are attacking defenses with different personnel packages and could finish as a top-10 offensive unit.

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Mack Hollins

NegativeValue23:36

Matt Harmon expresses skepticism about buying into Mack Hollins in redraft leagues despite Patriots offensive improvements; while Hollins had some big catches, Harmon does not view him as a reliable fantasy asset going forward.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveProjection13:05

Matt Harmon expresses high conviction that Marvin Harrison Jr. will catch a touchdown, stating he should have "bet his life savings" on it and calling it "the easiest bet" he could have made. The confidence stems from the Cardinals' intent to target him in the end zone under new offensive direction.

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NegativeValue37:34

Matt Harmon predicts Marvin Harrison Jr. will have a sell-high game against the Lions this week, after which Chris Ballard will emotionally trade a third-round pick to the Cardinals for him. Harmon frames this as a panic move by Ballard in response to Harrison's performance against Detroit.

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PositiveProjection42:23

Marvin Harrison Jr. is highlighted as a touchdown-scoring opportunity that the speaker believes was highly probable in recent games. The speaker expresses strong conviction that Harrison Jr. would catch a touchdown, stating 'I should have bet my life savings that Marvin Harrison jr. Would catch a touchdown last week. I should have just bet it,' indicating high confidence in his red-zone and scoring upside despite recent results.

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Michael Mayer

PositiveRole5:31

Michael Mayer is playing really well in the improved Raiders offense, which has shifted to heavy tight end usage with 20+ snaps of single-receiver sets, positioning him as a secondary tight end option in a pass-heavy scheme.

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PositiveRole6:00

Michael Mayer is playing really well as the second tight end in the Raiders' historic heavy-personnel offense that concentrates production through tight ends and running backs rather than wide receivers.

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Michael Penix Jr.

NegativeRole45:05

Michael Penix Jr.'s skill set is driving the Falcons' offensive design under Kevin Stefanski. Penix does not throw the ball well over the middle but excels pushing the ball and launching to the outside. The offense is built to leverage his strengths by avoiding screens and nickel-and-diming plays, instead committing to vertical passing concepts that suit his arm talent.

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NegativeRole57:01

Penix is predominantly used in pistol formation (14 pass attempts under center so far this season, compared to six attempts two years prior), limiting his effectiveness in the offense. Matt Harmon notes the Falcons' reluctance to develop Penix under center despite having a decent run game and offensive line, suggesting a lack of confidence in his ability to execute from that position.

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Mike Washington Jr.

PositiveSleeper7:00

Mike Washington is one of Harmon's favorite bench holds at this point; he's giving the Raiders a pop every now and again and could see increased opportunity if Ashton Gentry doesn't fully recover or faces softer matchups.

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PositiveBreakout9:15

Mike Washington was handpicked by Clint Kubiak and is perfectly suited for the zone run scheme. Matt Harmon describes him as a 'league winner type' given his production on all touches he receives; even in a 70-30 split with Gentry, Washington is making tangible plays and could be available in many leagues.

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Nico Collins

PositiveUsage38:24

Nico Collins' presence drives the Texans' high offensive rankings in weeks where he plays. The Texans ranked 6th, 28th, 24th, and 3rd across four weeks; Harmon attributes the two high rankings (6th and 3rd) directly to Collins' availability and impact on the offense.

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NegativeProjection104:54

Nico Collins is mentioned as a top-10 to top-15 receiver in rankings who is likely to be started in most lineups, making him less relevant for flex play analysis and accuracy contest purposes. The context suggests Collins is a consensus starter rather than a flex decision.

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Quentin Johnston

PositiveBreakout48:34

Matt Harmon notes that he has seen Addison get going in the Vikings offense, indicating emerging production in the passing game as the Vikings experiment with different offensive approaches.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

NegativeRole25:14

Patriots diversified their run game approach in Week 4, moving away from heavy duo usage; Stevenson is banged up but the offensive scheme showed more variety in run-game design, though overall run game is not expected to be great.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeRole40:08

RJ Harvey is being discussed as a potential solution to the Broncos' run-game and offensive stagnation issues. The speaker is skeptical that more RJ Harvey involvement in the run game is the answer, but acknowledges the Broncos need to change their approach. There's also a note that Harvey needs to 'consistently catch football' in addition to being more involved in the offense, suggesting a dual-threat role expectation.

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Ryan Flournoy

PositiveUsage61:21

Flournoy runs 57% of snaps in slot with 5.9 air yards per target; gets peppered with touches against blitz looks due to play design; over 50 receiving yards at +210 odds is a smart prop; bigger-body receiver who replaces blitz coverage.

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PositiveMatchup61:49

Ryan Flournoy operates at 57% snap share in the slot with 5.9 air yards per target; he can function as a blitz replacement with his bigger body and inside-out versatility against the Buccaneers' defense.

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T.J. Hockenson

PositiveBreakout47:58

Matt Harmon highlights T.J. Hockenson as getting going in the Vikings offense, particularly in the second half of the Dolphins game, suggesting the Vikings passing game is starting to click despite the offense's experimental nature.

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Tucker Kraft

PositiveBreakout47:39

Matt Harmon projects Tucker Kraft as a fantasy beneficiary of the Packers' pass-heavy offense, calling it a "print fest" for him if he can continue to get healthy and improve; the team's weak run game and increased pace will drive passing volume.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Big show for you here today. Yes, and truly it is a massive one week five offensive ecosystem check in we've got
0:06four weeks worth of data here so Nate Tice I go through all of the offenses in the NFL.
0:11How efficient are they? How are they getting it done?
0:14We talk schemes. We talk trends. We talk trending up.
0:17We talk trending down teams some really interesting teams in the top 10 of the offensive efficiency metrics right now Saints are getting pretty close.
0:24They're trending way up. Chiefs are back up there.
0:26Panthers are in there. We talk through those teams plus we talk teams that are on the other end not looking so great from an offensive standpoint.
0:34Then we preview Thursday Night Football Cowboys Bucks. Wish I could play some more Bucks pair players in this matchup.
0:39Probably not going to do it. But anyways, we talked through that game.
0:43Then Justin Boone joins the show for the week five flex fit check presented by verse all that and more come up on today's show.
0:50Let's get into it. What's going on everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:53Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast. It is a hell of a day to talk ball.
0:57It is a hell of a day to talk offensive ecosystems.
1:00It's a hell of a day to talk charts and graphs and metrics and data and what our eyeballs have been seeing
1:07on the film so far and joining me to do just that.
1:10Who else could it possibly be here on a Wednesday?
1:13It's Nate Tice. Nate, what's going on, man? Not too much.
1:16Yeah. Quasi quarter poll to sample size. It's growing.
1:18It's relevant. So no, very excited for this. I know we always hint at it right after the four four week show after week four.
1:25And then we can start talking about exactly what these teams are doing.
1:29But no doing great. Great to see you. Yeah, that is what we're going to be doing here today is going to
1:35be our quarter season offensive ecosystem check in. And like I said, we're going to have a ton of graphs and charts
1:41and fake Matt Harmon metrics that have come from my stupid little brain here.
1:45We're going to be talking about all of that stuff in the first part of the show.
1:49Then we've got a TNF preview between two offenses going in very different directions, Dallas Cowboys and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
1:55And then we will unfortunately have to say goodbye to Nate and then welcome in.
1:59And fortunately, being able to welcome in Justin Boone for the first flex fit check for all your flex plays here in week five.
2:06So we've got a busy show here today, Nate.
2:08So let's let's jump right into it. Like I said, every four weeks here on this show, we are going to go
2:14in and look at where offenses stand in the NFL right now.
2:18And I've mentioned this metric many times. My little Frankenstein offensive efficiency score combines a bunch of the metrics that I like to look at.
2:25Here's what goes into the score. You're seeing it on the screen right now.
2:29If you're watching us on YouTube again, all the metrics that I like.
2:32So we've got drop pack EPA rushing EPA points per drive drives that ended to score success rate overall and explosive play rate.
2:39I know you've got the suplex rate. I don't even have a name for this.
2:43I'm just calling it offensive efficiency. Okay, so I'm trying to do a little bit of like we've got success rate and
2:49the explosive play and some other metrics like how often you're scoring so that it doesn't punish one team.
2:54That does it stylistically different than the others. One of these kind of all right, we control the ball.
2:59We move it down the field or you're just this explosive big play team.
3:03So I think, you know, I think looking at this, Nate, we've got the 49ers at one.
3:08We've got the bills at two and we've got the Titans at 31 and the dolphins at 32.
3:13I think we passed the smell test here with this one.
3:16Yeah, I think you did. I know that sometimes even when I'm looking at certain stats, like so sometimes like next gen
3:22stats and true media will have like inverse of each other, like how to read the stats.
3:27And then sometimes I'll just look at other stats like that.
3:30I see on there and go like, that's kind of the smell test check.
3:34And it's like, yeah, is that good success rate or success rate a lot?
3:38Oh, oh, oh, oh, 7.2 yards per carry allowed.
3:40Okay, no. Okay, bad. And usually I use those as kind of the sample set for it.
3:45So now I it's nice to to start getting again.
3:48Again, this is in real football terms for weeks is usually what teams look at as the previous four games to kind of kind of develop game plan.
3:55So previous four games plus previous times that they played if it's a play caller or team set or like that.
4:01But so it's kind of nice to it's like that's it's it feels very real.
4:05It feels like this is definitely smelling the pet or passing the smell test.
4:09Right. And even in the fantasy sense to this is typically where we say, okay, after four weeks, I always reference Adam
4:15Harstad's work on this where after four weeks now we're in the zone of this is going to be more predictive than
4:21our offseason ADP in weeks one week to you kind of start to say, all right, small sample size, whatever.
4:27But at this point, we're starting to accept which teams, you know, and which players that are on those teams are going
4:33to be really valuable and sort of define this fantasy season.
4:36So I wanted to at least to start here and honestly, we're going to jump around all over the place and talk
4:42about a lot of different stuff here. But for starters, I wanted to look at the five teams who have improved the
4:48most in this metric from 2025 to 2026. The Raiders have taken a 19 spot a 19 spot jump here from 32nd to 13th.
4:55So worse than the NFL to hey, we're kind of league average as an offense.
4:59This is the biggest gain by both measures here.
5:02The Panthers have gone from 27th to 9th, a bottom barrel to a top 10 offense through four weeks.
5:07The Saints 28 to 11, the Jets 30th to 18th.
5:10Obviously, they're coming off their worst effort so far this year.
5:13So there is a little bit of context there.
5:15And then the Chiefs have gone from 17 to 4.
5:18So, Nate, I throw those five teams out of you.
5:21The most improved offenses so far from an ecosystem standpoint this year.
5:24Or what stands out to you the most on one of these teams?
5:28The Raiders, because that feels so real in a real football sense.
5:31But also, we're seeing some stats, of course, pop up or fancy numbers pop up with it, especially at Bowers.
5:36But no, that one's real. We kind of assumed this as it couldn't be worse than it was last year with their offensive line coaching.
5:43Just everything, really, with their offense. But it's just how the offensive line improvement, Bowers is cool.
5:48The usage of personnel is very cool. How they use tight ends.
5:51I believe they had 20-something snaps. I'll look it up in a sec.
5:5520-something snaps of just one receiver on the field.
5:58And I know that's kind of the thing. It's like, who are the receivers on this team?
6:02It's like, it looks like it doesn't matter. Because Bowers is the ace.
6:06Michael Mayer is playing really well. Well, and even you saw Ian Thomas get that touchdown.
6:10And again, more real football than fancy there. But Kirk Cousins is playing really confident, really aggressive as well.
6:16So it's not just a check down city. Hopefully get some yak and screens.
6:19It's like, no, he's starting to push the ball a little bit.
6:23And I just think they're using their personnel in really smart ways.
6:26And I'm still bullish on what Ashton Gentry could be this year.
6:29Chiefs are really good on defense, too. Or run defense.
6:32And that's what was more, I think, promising from that game.
6:35Was not only because I had more notes on the Raiders than the Chiefs.
6:39Even though the Chiefs won the game. It was just that, like, that was a tough matchup running the ball.
6:45And they still found other ways to attack it.
6:47I mean, you saw other plays pop off as well.
6:50So really high on Clint Kubiak. High, really, on everybody still.
6:53Or at least the main characters, I should say.
6:55Gentry and Bowers. I do think Gentry is going to start upticking when he gets some softer matchups.
7:00But no, I think this is a real good offense.
7:03And, of course, Bowers is the star of it.
7:06Yeah, the Raiders lead the NFL in plays out of heavy personnel.
7:09So that's with two or fewer wide receivers on the field.
7:12Fullbacks, tight ends, as you mentioned, they get them all in the mix here.
7:16Mike Washington remains one of my favorite kind of bench holds at this point.
7:20Because he's giving them a little pop every now and again.
7:23But also just in case. You're talking about Gentry and the softer matchups.
7:27And that's totally valid. I also just feel like you could tell me if you disagree.
7:31I feel like by the eye test, he just doesn't look quite 100% just yet.
7:35But he's been a good grinder, pass catching back.
7:38He's actually been really, really useful as a pass catcher.
7:40Surprising me. Yeah. Ray had the stat yesterday that they're a historic outlier in terms of how little they are getting from the wide receivers.
7:47They're just getting so much from the two tight ends and Ashton Gentry as a receiver.
7:52To the point, Nate, that Kirk Cousins is the ninth best fantasy scoring quarterback this year.
7:56Kirk Cousins. He's got more fantasy points than Joe Burrow.
7:59He's got more fantasy points than Jalen Hurts, than Trevor Lawrence, than Matthew Stafford, than Jordan Love.
8:04All these guys go down the list. Like, he's, again, QB9 right now.
8:07Playing really good football to the point that, I mean, it's going to...
8:11I did not buy this at all that, oh, they're going to want to start Kirk Cousins for half the year, if not the entire season.
8:18I mean, at this point, we're not trending towards a Fernando Mendoza start anytime soon.
8:22No fault of the rookie. Just like, Kirk Cousins is executing this offense.
8:26And he got called out after week one where Clint Kubiak, you know, quasi called out when he was like, no, how do we get more explosive plays?
8:34Push the ball. And he had a creation play on the Bowers touchdown where he kind of extended it.
8:39He had multiple bootlegs where he was thrown late over the middle, which is like Kirk Cousins is so by the book.
8:45So to see him kind of doing like, I think it's kind of an overplayed word, but Mahomesian type play where he's
8:51like, late, late, throw to the tight end on the week over the middle.
8:55It's like, I don't know, just the aggression and, again, confidence he's playing with.
8:59He's getting whacked, too, as well. But again, I think that spoke more with the Chiefs were doing on defense than anything.
9:05They were blitzing a bunch and Kirk Cousins answered a blitz and it wasn't check down Charlie stuff.
9:10And I agree with the gente receiving stuff because not only check downs, they've designed at least two to three screens to
9:16him a game, not just traditional running back screens.
9:18They had one a couple of weeks ago where he was just split out as like a receiver and they just ran
9:25kind of a smoke screen to him. They went for a nice gain.
9:28So they're trying to get him going. And I agree with you with Mike Washington.
9:32Mike Washington was handpicked by Clint Kubiak. He's perfect for the zone run scheme.
9:36Even if it's a 70-30 split, he's making those tangibles.
9:39And if Gente gets beat up, Gente's got a hard running style.
9:42Mike Washington is like, dare I say, league winner type?
9:45Oh, yeah, baby. So, yeah, no. Oh, yeah. But he is, all the touches he's getting, he's making the most production out of it.
9:52All right, I found my little, so they had 27 plays with one or fewer receivers.
9:5614 of them were dropbacks. 10 of those 14 dropbacks were successful.
10:00Kirk Cousins had a 9.1 net yards per attempt on those.
10:030.53 EPA per dropback. 71% success rate last week.
10:05So it's cool that they can turn the dial.
10:08The Saints game was interesting because they used a mix of personnels as well.
10:11And the Saints defense is way different than the Chiefs defense.
10:14So they're showing just different, you know, Dolphins defense is Dolphins defense.
10:18But they're showing different ways to attack what the defenses are giving themselves.
10:21I'm not saying this is going to be like a top five unit.
10:25But like, if they end up the season like 10th in all the nerd stats, you wouldn't be shocked.
10:30Because they're just doing really good stuff. And I think, I'm really excited for 2027 Raiders.
10:35But 2026 Raiders has been a really fun watch so far.
10:38Defensively too, I know we're doing fancy stuff. But Rod Leonard's doing some good stuff on defense too.
10:43No, it's a well-coached team, cool players, even if it's somewhat imperfect right now.
10:47Yeah, it's just a reminder of what good coaching can do, right?
10:50I mean, because there were obviously some interesting things like idea-wise with the Raiders staff last year.
10:55And then you get into the, you see it all together.
10:58It just doesn't work out. They went from 15th to 5th so far this year.
11:02Very Seahawks-esque. So, I do wonder if they actually might smell a little bit of blood in the water and maybe make a receiver move at the deadline.
11:10But right now, it doesn't feel like they need it.
11:12And why disrupt something that's really working here? Maybe that's the off-season project for this team.
11:17But okay, Panthers, Saints, Jets, Chiefs. Who else stands out to you from this list?
11:21I mean, who they played against was the Chiefs.
11:23And that's very real with the run game. I don't know.
11:27I just, there's, with Taequann Thornton out, it kind of makes it a weird discussion though.
11:31Like in a fantasy sense. It's like, and as long as Kenneth Walker's healthy, yeah, all go.
11:36But just like what we just talked about with Gentry, like Emmitt Johnson's making these, his touches very valid as well.
11:42So again, if, I don't think he'll be available in most leagues.
11:45But if he is, try and swoop him up, Trojan horse it, whatever you want to say, because he's making the touches very valid.
11:51And I'm not trying to jinx all of this, but Kenneth Walker's getting a lot of touches.
11:56And he has been historically a guy that gets banged up.
11:59It's just, it is what it is. But it's one of these things like ride him, ride him right now and we'll see.
12:06Receivers are kind of a mess. I can't tell you, I'm sure you have better insight than I do about how, how that, that can be fantasy relevant.
12:13I think it's more just going to be, to me, it's run the ball, play good defense.
12:18They have a cool defense right now. And on third down in the red zone on shot plays, Hey, Patrick Mahomes, be Patrick Mahomes.
12:25But a lot of it's kind of like split up on who he's focusing on, especially now with Thornton out, Rasheed Rice banged up.
12:31And Xavier Worthy is Xavier Worthy. Like he's never going to be a high touch guy.
12:36It's just going to be selective usage still, even with these circumstances.
12:39I think that's how he's going to be. But so I think the takeaway is Emma Johnson.
12:44That's kind of the guy, if you can somehow snag him up, it might be a thing that you won't regret later in the season.
12:51Yeah. Tyree kill is obviously in the news for a lot of reasons.
12:54I mean, I just don't even know if that's an upgrade.
12:57I'm, I'm with Dan Graziano, which we're showing here.
13:00I'm not buying the Tyree kill as much of an upgrade of what they have at this point, his career.
13:05No idea. You know, certainly other guys I'd be, I'd be open, you know, interested like a Marvin Harrison Jr.
13:11Even a Jerry Judy. Like I've been a big critic of Judy's game, but he can beat man coverage and can be part of making this team explosive.
13:19Like remember Jerry Judy with the 2024 Broncos, where it's just don't do any of that dancing at the line of scrimmage.
13:25Just put your foot in the ground and break it inside off play action.
13:29That would really work for a team this year.
13:31That was last season. They were 26th in explosive play rate.
13:34This year, they're all the way up at fourth.
13:37So that's, we're not looking for Jerry Judy, get 120 targets and matriculate.
13:40Like, no, we want to hit explosive plays. And Judy, I don't know, really know.
13:45I don't really know where his head's at. I don't really know what he has left, but I mean, I'd be, I'd
13:51even be interested in that because the rest of the guys in the room, like we're showing Jalen Royals on the depth chart right now.
13:58Now he's like a Rasheed Rice replacement. I could see him filling into Rice's role if he misses time with the hamstring injury.
14:04And I like Cyrus Allen as a route runner and as a separator, still rookie receiver, day three offense, complicated unit.
14:10I'm definitely interested in him getting more time, but if he has a total red shirt year, that would be not surprising
14:16given just again, he's a day three rookie. So a lot to be excited about in the future, but not sure what it holds right now.
14:23I don't know. I like the Judy idea here for this team.
14:26I do too. More than most more. I like it more than other teams because like what you just said, it's not
14:33a nickel and dime passing game right now. There's a lot of screens.
14:36I get that, but it's not quick game. It's a lot of shots.
14:40And I like Judy better as a shot vertical guy running those big overs, big, deep corners in the slot.
14:45He's a slot vertical guy. That's what he is.
14:48And in this offense, because they do RPOs, don't have to worry about him doing dirty work stuff.
14:53You know, like the other guys can do fulfill that role.
14:56So I know I, you and I have always been on the same page with Judy, but it's one of these where
15:02I actually do like him for the chiefs as a rental more than I would for other teams.
15:07I like Marvin Harrison Jr. Would be the pie in the sky.
15:10But I don't, I don't know what, what, what make of that, but I do like Judy more for them than you would.
15:17I would usually think or assume. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
15:19Just these other three teams here real quick before we move on the jets.
15:23I mean, again, it's just tough because they're coming off a down game, but still really bullish on what, like a guy like Braylon Allen.
15:30I thought he played well. They ran 32 damn plays.
15:33Okay. So what you're not going to get any fantasy value out of that Kenyan Sadiq.
15:37I remain interested in him as long as he'd be healthy.
15:40Garrett Wilson is going to have a nice year.
15:43It is worth pointing out that we, you know, we have the win rate data for Yahoo fantasy leagues right now.
15:48It's not surprising that a lot of the guys that are in the top 15, the list that I read off yesterday
15:55with, with Ray Garvin, they play for these teams.
15:57In addition to like Kenneth Walker, of course, Tedrow McMillan is 13th highest.
16:01Chuba Hubbard is 15th highest. I Jalen Coker was mostly undrafted, but he would definitely be on this list if he was drafted.
16:07Chris Olave was ninth highest. So Panthers saints, when you can get these and the saints have their issues for sure.
16:13You know, and I'm curious what you think about that team right now from a, they can't run the damn football perspective in a defense perspective.
16:20But when you can get it right, these improving offensive ecosystems, you can make big time profit like McMillan, Coker Hubbard, Chris Olave.
16:26Those are going to be some of the best picks that you could make this year because Nate, I I'm buying both
16:33of these two teams remaining sort of at the level that they are at right now where the Panthers are the ninth best offense.
16:39The saints are just outside the top 10. They're 11.
16:42I could see them still both at least still being top 15 offenses, bare minimum.
16:46Um, and also they are paired with somewhat shoddy defenses right now, just because of injury stuff as well.
16:51Uh, no, I am in a fancy sense and just the, I like the pass catchers.
16:56I am all in on the saints right now.
16:58Remember I was talking about with Scott Linehan being a high pass attempts.
17:02I think, and Kevin Moore is not shy about that either.
17:05I think what we see in these last few games, they're just going to keep doing it.
17:10I think this is going to be like a 40 plus 45 plus, maybe 50 plus drop back team almost every single week.
17:16Like they're going to be a shootout team and the defense, how they play it's leaky and it's very, it's a high variance defense.
17:23That's good. If you want the offensive players to score points, I think a lot of is awesome.
17:28I think a Bayley is awesome. I even like Bryce Lance with how their usage and they're trying to get him going.
17:34And Jawan Johnson, who I'm kicking myself. There's a couple of leagues.
17:37I got them, but kicking myself. I, I envisioned all this, like, you know, with him, um, but him and Chuck got great chemistry already.
17:44And the running back stink. The old line stinks, um, right now that they, one of my most disappointing kind of units is that offensive line.
17:51They've had some injuries, but some of the guys have just don't look great anyways.
17:55Um, but I think they're just going to be chucking it and Chuck can handle some of that.
18:00He's, I wouldn't say he's impressed me, but he's.
18:03I'm overwhelmed by him, not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. I kind of, but I like what he's doing.
18:08Yeah. You know what I mean? I like what he's doing.
18:11I'm not like going like, Holy crap. They got an elite guy here, but I'm like, no, this is a competent quarterback
18:17and he can operate what they do. And they got good pass catchers.
18:20So if they're going to play in these kind of what Charles used to say, loony tune games, like, I don't know, man, I'm kind of buying it.
18:28That's what I, this is what all their games are going to feel like.
18:32So in a fantasy sense and just overall, they're doing some interesting stuff.
18:36It's not all perfect, but in a fantasy sense, I'm buying into all the, all the guys in this passing game.
18:41Yeah. And obviously I have the pace score, uh, as well here, if we want to show that graphic where that blends
18:48in no huddle percentage password or expected plays per game seconds per game.
18:51The saints are first. The Panthers are third. So yeah, of course the saints are actually first by a lot.
18:57Uh, then, then it's, then it's the, yeah, then it's the Rams, uh, that's a Rams actually second, you know, which is,
19:03that was a hell of a call out by you.
19:06They have definitely upped the pace this year for sure.
19:08Uh, Panthers are third. And to that point, Devon Bailey is first in the NFL and routes.
19:13Chris Olave is second in the NFL and routes.
19:16Tedder McMillan is tied with Amon Ross St. Brown for fourth.
19:19Your boy, Bryce Lance, uh, is actually seventh in the NFL and routes.
19:22Jawan Johnson is up there, uh, as well. So, you know, just like these guys are out there.
19:27Okay. And if you're out there, you're getting a lot of opportunities and you're a good, credible player.
19:32I'm not, I'm not saying that Devon Bailey is going to be, have the Michael Wilson breakout of last year because I
19:38know Chris Olave is injured right now, but he's a good, he's a good player.
19:42He's that I think has just kind of gotten forgot about after his rookie year.
19:47Um, I remember I was, I just wrote him up in the in season charting tracker on my site, you know, Bailey's rookie season.
19:53I was saying, it's like, this guy looks like the next big time power slot.
19:57And then he just kind of, he fell out, he got traded and then he was hurt last year, but it looks good.
20:04Like he's a good quality zone beater. Shuck hit him on three or so kind of slants, quick crossers where he's hits the top of his drop back.
20:12And that ball is right out to Bailey. Who's open.
20:14He has 90th percentile arms. So he's got the ability to extend and win passes off of his frame.
20:20I think like, again, he leads the NFL in routes.
20:22Michael Wilson led wide receivers and routes last year.
20:25That's how he ended up breaking out. So look, you know, knock on wood, fingers crossed.
20:29I love a lot. They have on a lot of a so many on so many teams.
20:34So I don't want him to miss any time.
20:36He did get pinned at the end of this last game and is missing practice today on Wednesday.
20:41We'll monitor that throughout the week. But yeah, Bailey would be a smash in fantasy.
20:46If a lot, they ever missed time. Not that I want that to happen.
20:49Yeah. And I have to play the Vikings this week.
20:52And I think that that's a steady, like Vikings is a, you want shot guys and kind of the steady hand guys, I guess is the best way.
21:00Cause they don't play much man. So it's zone beaters.
21:03It's even with all the blitzing, it's not man blitzes.
21:06It's not the old Brian Flores blitzes of old.
21:08It's a lot of zone. So you want smart guys that can find soft spots against the zone.
21:13That's right here. Like this is Bailey. That's exactly it.
21:16Yeah. And I know I'm a guy that was super bullish on Bryce Lance, but they have been trying to get him
21:22going and it's, he's not a true, he's a burner.
21:25One of the fastest players in the league right now, but they're using them in more real ways as well.
21:30It's just that they have a nice one, two, which wants him being a three.
21:34So Bryce Lance is an auxiliary player, but they've tried a couple of shots stuff or the ball didn't go to him or they just missed on that.
21:42So we're there. I don't know. It's, it's one of these where I'm just buying into it.
21:47Like I, I just like what's going on there from a fantasy sense.
21:50And it's actually not about, it's always when I watch it on back, I'm like, oh, okay.
21:55Like you're doing some good stuff here. Like shock.
21:58I mean, and just the whole offense. So not surprised by that pace score, by the way.
22:02Like that's how they feel. They do. That's what you do.
22:05A lot of no huddle. And they snap that ball quick.
22:08And they've been in a lot of these shootouts so far.
22:12Yeah. They're just under 16%. No huddle rate, 15.8.
22:14The second place team is the Eagles. That's going really well.
22:1713.5%. So yeah, we'll talk Eagles when we get to some more negative stuff.
22:21Speaking of negative, let's talk about the five offenses that are trending in the wrong direction.
22:25These are the biggest followers from 2025 to 2026.
22:28The Packers are down from six to 27. The Patriots are down from second to 22nd.
22:32The Dolphins are down from 16 to 32nd in the NFL.
22:35The Commanders 13 to 28. The Colts 3 to 17.
22:38Not a ton of surprises here. We can explain what's happened with all these teams.
22:42But I guess I'll first ask you from an optimistic standpoint.
22:45These five teams, if there's one that you could point out and say, I can paint a rosy picture of how this gets better.
22:52Which one would it be? It's the Patriots. Just because what they showed last week, the personnel coming back, AJ Brown.
22:58And they actually showed some new ideas. Hopefully they're not going to play the Bills defense every week.
23:03I want to say this to everyone. The Bills defense is a smash every single week.
23:07It's not a good defense. It's really bad. It's bad.
23:10Which I knew they wouldn't be good, but it's been even worse.
23:13They just don't have anybody. They'd have no DBs to cover anybody with Benford out.
23:17So the Patriots, though, I'm a little more optimistic.
23:20Not just because May played better. They had better scheme ideas, I thought, in this last week against the Bills, which was encouraging.
23:26AJ Brown coming back. Hopefully Eli Raritan stays healthy because he opens up a lot of other stuff for them.
23:32But again, it's one of those. It's like, all right, but who are you buying into?
23:36Like, I'm not going to be buying into Mack Hollins or Pop Douglas.
23:40I guess Chisholm as a dynasty guy. But as in a redraft league, I don't know.
23:44He's actually a lot more real. Other than those big catches, he had some really nice kind of other plays where he was blocking.
23:51He didn't get the ball. So it's one of these where it's like, I do think this offense is going to be
23:57better, but it might just be like if you could buy low on May.
24:01You know, it's not really fancy. Yeah, that's the answer.
24:04Yeah, I don't know how you can buy into this other ways because it's going to be split up.
24:09Now, that's the answer. And maybe if you're a team that's 4-0 or you're 3-1 and you can afford to take on
24:15the risk, because I do think there is some risk that maybe you can ask one of those teams that's not doing
24:21so well in fantasy that took A.J. Brown in the second round.
24:25Hey, give me an eight. Like, I'll give you A.J.
24:27Brown for some of my depth pieces. And maybe like, I think actually that's not too bad of an idea.
24:33Because a lot of what I agree with you, we saw some good stuff schematically.
24:37And actually, this bears out in the static score as well.
24:40They went from 27th in Week 1, 18th in Week 2, 26th in Week 3.
24:44They were 8th in Week 4. So you did see some of those schematic tweaks.
24:48I thought we – yeah, it was really tangible.
24:51It's on paper. And I don't think it's going to come through in the run game.
24:55I think it will have to in the pass game.
24:58I know you've pointed this out. Romeo Dobbs on some of those outcuts.
25:02I mean, the Patriots clearly listened to our pod last week.
25:05So there was that. Fourth down outbreak. I was like, ha-ha!
25:08Yeah. It was – and they diversified. It was there.
25:11I know Stevenson, though, in the run game, they diversified what they did.
25:14They weren't just so heavy on duo. And, of course, like – of course, he's banged up.
25:19But it's one of these where the run game did have a little bit more stuff to it.
25:24I don't think it's going to be great, but it did have a little bit more stuff.
25:29Can I actually share something with you that I noticed I was looking for this up anyways because we're talking about static scores and everything.
25:36And this isn't just relevant to the Patriots. It's actually – motion league-wide is at the all-time high.
25:41I can look back to 2018. It's at 65% this year.
25:44Last year was 50 – or 2023 was 57%.
25:462018 was 46%. Motion at the snaps, all-time high.
25:49Multiple motions at all-time high. But this is the highest difference in terms of non-motion plays now have more of a higher success rate than motion plays.
25:56And it's the highest difference that's ever been on record.
25:59So it's like one of these where it's like, is it revert back?
26:02I'm keeping my eye on it. It's only three or four weeks.
26:06But it is just something I've kept my eye on that.
26:09I was looking that up for other reasons. But I thought that was interesting that non-motion plays is the first time in
26:15years that they actually have a higher success rate than motion plays now, which is – I know we're talking about non-static and static right now.
26:22But I was like, of course. Of course. But, well, something I keep in my eye on.
26:27So just food for thought. But, no, it's a good one.
26:30The static score does include not just motion. It's one of the things.
26:33It also includes play action, under center, race, and heavy personnel.
26:36So static was maybe my just quick way of saying something.
26:40But maybe we'll come up with a different name to not totally confuse it.
26:43But, no, yeah. That's an interesting thought, though. I mean, again, some of these heavy personnel groupings where even if it's just
26:50two receivers on the field and you're under center and it's just like the straight dropbacks from under center with no motion,
26:56I bet those are going to be really efficient plays as we go forward.
26:59And you do see – I mean, the Rams are in tempo like over 20% of their snaps last week.
27:05And it was just one of those where it's like, hey, they're going to get into these pristine calls on defense.
27:11Let's just not let them do that. So I do see a lot of teams actually really messing with kind of some
27:17of their cadence stuff, too, which is – I'm saying – you still have to use more motion, I think, especially in the run game.
27:24But pass game-wise, I do think there is some benefit just going faster as opposed to motion, motion, motion, motion.
27:29Unless you're Kyle Shanahan, then just keep doing what you're doing, bud.
27:33Because you do some good stuff over there, Kyle Shanahan.
27:36I don't know if anybody knows that. Yeah. Like playing the hits.
27:39I mean, a team like the Dolphins is – not the Dolphins.
27:42That's a slip. Well, they actually are using a good bit of all the motion and everything like that.
27:47But I meant the Chargers are doing all that.
27:50That's not working out for them. They could actually be more static, right?
27:54So with anything like this – and I wrote a column with all this stuff, too, that I actually filed before the show.
28:00So shout out to me. Doing my job for once.
28:03Look at you. It's not a catch-all thing. It's not just push the motion button and we're going to be better.
28:09It does matter who your players are, your personnel, the state of your roster.
28:12And I think the Chargers are a great example of a team that is pushing all those – the static score buttons.
28:18But it's just – except under center, they're actually in the gun a good bit, treating Herbert like he's Tua.
28:24But the results are not working out for that team.
28:27So it certainly matters, again, when we have the exact right mix of personnel and everything.
28:31Just one last note of the Patriots. My theory on this team is just that they're a bad team beater from a scheme standpoint and everything.
28:38Good news is they just played the Bills. Bad defense.
28:41Raiders. Fine. Jets. Bears. Dolphins. So a little bit of a mixed bag.
28:45They get the Lions in week 10 before they're by.
28:48So there's going to be some spots where this team, I think, looks much better.
28:52I agree. They're a team that could improve. The Packers are a funny example, Nate, of a team that their offense is definitely cooked, I think.
28:59I mean, again, they're 27. They're way down from six because the run game stinks and everything like that.
29:04But actually, from a fantasy standpoint, because they are also one of these teams that is more static this year, to your
29:10point, but is also playing with a lot more pace.
29:13It's just going to be a print fest for Watson, for Golden, and for Tucker Craft if he can continue to get healthy and improve here.
29:20So from a fantasy standpoint, these three guys are going to eat.
29:24Yeah, and catch football. So these three guys are going to be the Blake Bortles special this year.
29:29Yes. Yeah. Great. That nailed it. That's exactly right.
29:31I know. I think they're going to be chucking it.
29:34Their defense is a little more aggressive. So if I turn to track meets every week as well.
29:39So I haven't rewatched them last week yet, but I did see, at least at the very least, like, I mean, there's
29:45so much good stuff with Golden Watson happening right now, even if it's not all been successful.
29:50But no, just keep buying into those guys. Like, keep buying it.
29:53Jordan Love's going to have some boom games. We'll see how they do with.
29:57I want to watch the run game back. They it was so frustrating that they're like, no, this we're going to go Chris Brooks again.
30:04It's like, just run Caleb Johnson. He's a better running back.
30:07I know he's not great. He's not like, oh, well, that's the thing, though.
30:11You know, I know it's so frustrating. But it's like, what else you got?
30:15Like, you're really going to trot out your past protection back again.
30:18I guess that's what coaches do. But no, Watson, Golden are still like, I'm optimistic about, at least in the fantasy sense.
30:24Just Packers are with that line and just they just don't have much teeth right now.
30:28It's just it's just it's just tough to get to being good circumstances.
30:32So they're going to be chucking it. Yeah, they'll be chucking it.
30:35Those guys will continue to go. Golden is someone that I keep squinting at my dynasty rankings, figuring out what's the exact
30:42right spot for him, because he's just he's been.
30:44So I wouldn't say he's been great this year, but I think he's been solid on tape.
30:49And, you know, if he can continue to improve, there's definitely a lot to go on there.
30:53One of them one other team just I want to ask you about.
30:57I think the commander I think the commanders have improved.
31:00They're a tough team to judge here just because they've had you've played three quarterbacks this year.
31:05OK, that's going to be tough. I do actually think I've seen some decent things from them, but not sure the health
31:11status of Jaden Daniels, not sure the health status of Terry McLaurin.
31:14So that's going to be tough going forward. But I mean, they had Ethan Kaliak Maness out there in week four.
31:20That's going to be tough. So I'm not I'm not sure if you have strong takes on the commanders.
31:25I actually wanted to talk specifically about this Colts team and what to kind of make of that right now, because they
31:31are definitely trending in the wrong direction. By Antonio Williams.
31:34By. Oh, yeah, that guy's good. By. By, by, by, by, by, by, by, by, by.
31:38I'm all I really like him. He's it's the real deal.
31:41It's not just slot stuff either. It's like, no, he's the real deal.
31:45I really like Antonio Williams. So that's my commander's thought.
31:48Oh, line. I'm a little scared with a guy.
31:50Although I Jane Daniels was on the on the market or on the waiver wire that I snatched him up in a couple of leagues.
31:57Even he's going to come out with that robo brace on his left elbow.
32:01But the thing is, we'll see. Oh, line. If you watch the third string quarterback, as I tweeted this, but his last
32:07name is Greek for crash test dummy because he got shellacked and the Colts are not a good pass rush.
32:13And so now they're going to go against teams a little bit better than that pass rush.
32:17So I'm but Jane can run a little bit better.
32:20Yada, yada. So no, but that's kind of just my thoughts on the commanders.
32:24Like, I actually their defense is doing interesting things.
32:27They're a weird team, though, right now. But I would say really weird team.
32:30Yeah. I which I kind of thought before the season.
32:33They just feel. Yeah, I don't know. But Colts wise.
32:36You know, Daniel Jones is still there. They're playing in the rain this week to him and Aaron Rodgers, which will be interesting.
32:42Daniel Jones. Heavy rain with gusts and up to 30 miles an hour, I believe it is.
32:47And it's like 78 percent chance of rain. Daniel Jones still looks like he can't push the ball outside.
32:52They're doing interesting kind of schematic stuff and how to open up their guys in the slot.
32:57But it's just more Jones can't push the ball.
33:00So it's limiting their explosiveness. So it's a very methodical offense.
33:03And he's not a methodical guy. I don't I don't think I'm still buying Jonathan Taylor.
33:07I'm still buying this run game. I think the old line is actually been pretty decent when they run the ball.
33:13Do not trust them to pass protect all the time.
33:16I've been weirded out by Warren, though. Like, I have no idea what to make.
33:20Yeah, I have no idea what. It's weird. Like, I'm watching him.
33:23Like, he just doesn't look as explosive. But it's also his usage is so far outside because they're trying to open up
33:29things for guys in the slot because they have so many slot only guys.
33:33So I know Kenyon Allen didn't play last week, but that's what they were doing.
33:37It was interesting. But it's kind of really limited his effectiveness.
33:40And yeah, I don't know if it's just because Jones can't push it to the outside.
33:45And some of Warren's best routes, at least just off the top of my head, are those sale routes and those outbreakers.
33:51And so now it's like, okay, we'll just have him run under routes.
33:54So it's a lot of four-yard gains, six-yard gains.
33:57And yeah, I don't know. It's been kind of like a weird thing.
34:01PPR-wise, I'm sure it's okay. But it's just one of those things where it's like, I thought we'd get it.
34:06Not really. Yeah. But he's not. Yeah. He's just been a.
34:09That's the thing. Okay, this is a great stat because this is how it feels even.
34:14I didn't even look at his target share. But it's like, all right, other receivers are dropping off.
34:19Alec Pierce is hurt. You're a nickel and dime offense anyways.
34:22Nickel and dime it to Tyler Warren. You know?
34:24Like, why isn't he getting the nickels and dimes?
34:27And I've just really been confused. I know he was banged up.
34:30But no, his usage has been very confusing to me when I watch the Colts.
34:34Yeah. 2.26 air yards per target for Tyler Warren.
34:37His rate of snaps outside have gone up from 10.9 to 14.5.
34:40His rate of snaps in the slot has gone down from 29.8 to 26.8.
34:44You're right. Like, there's more snaps out wide. And I don't really think he's that type.
34:48You know, he's not Brock Bowers. He's not even like a Colson Loveland type.
34:52You know, where you can get him as that mismatch player.
34:55I know Loveland hasn't had the production to start the year.
34:58But they at least have had moments of him doing that type of thing.
35:02Plus last year as well. Plus other guys are eating.
35:05So it's like, yeah, fine. That's fine. You know?
35:07Exactly. Right. I'm fine with Loveland not getting it.
35:10The other guys are getting it. Whereas with the Colts, I mean, even last week, you know, Josh Downs completely disappears.
35:16Because he's the guy that they are having him run those sale routes.
35:19And he's been really effective on those. But then when Jones can't get the ball down the field, it's just, again, I said this earlier in the week.
35:27There were like these think pieces about Josh Downs and like fantasy.
35:30You can never get too high on him in fantasy.
35:33But we can't get high on anybody in fantasy when the offense sucks.
35:37And I kind of think the offense, it doesn't suck because the run game is good.
35:41They're 17th again in this metric. But they've ranked 19th, 8th, 20th, and 18th over the course of the season.
35:47It's just, and a lot of that is the run game on a week-by-week basis.
35:51The run game is good. I think when we parse it out based on, all right, is it passing efficiency or rushing efficiency?
35:57It is much more skewed towards the run game right now.
36:00They're 31st in drop back EPA. They're second in rushing EPA.
36:03I mean, there's your story right there. There it is.
36:06Yeah. No, and that's how it feels when I watch them.
36:09It's like, oh, run game. They're doing great stuff.
36:12And especially with how their defense is, it hasn't been a defense that they just got, it's bend but break defense.
36:17Like that's kind of how it feels right now.
36:20But bend but break as well. So it's not a style that is conducive right now to how Jones has to play
36:26this year, which is, again, a very, and I'm going to use the term again, very nickel and dime.
36:31But you can't live that way if now you have to get in a track meet.
36:36Like you have to generate explosive plays. And Jonathan Taylor is Jonathan Taylor.
36:39The run game is the run game. But it's like, yeah, the math of this team is not there right now.
36:45I will say credit to you on this one where just all throughout camp, you could not go a day on social
36:51media without anybody telling you just how awesome Daniel Jones looked in practice.
36:55And it's like, okay, let's see it in the game.
36:58It's not looking so great in the games. Remember my conspiracy theory that turned out to be true?
37:03They started. So they would show Daniel. Everyone doesn't know.
37:05They'd show Daniel Jones throwing in camp, full body.
37:08You can see everything. And I was looking at his leg and his leg just kept looking limp.
37:13And I was like, man, they can't really push the ball there.
37:16And I mentioned that on a couple of pods.
37:19And all of a sudden, sure enough, Colt started showing videos of Daniel Jones.
37:23And it was edited where everything was quad up.
37:25At first, I was like, okay, no one cares what I'm saying.
37:28And then it was just too much of a thing after a couple of weeks where you couldn't see his foot.
37:34And I was like, this might be something. Because he couldn't drive the ball to the outside.
37:39And sure enough, when I'm watching these games, nothing can get pushed to the outside or down the field.
37:44If he has to hitch up, the play just comes short.
37:47He has to hitch up. He can't hitch up again.
37:50He can't have that second hitch to then push the ball.
37:53So, yeah, it's a very, very tight offense right now.
37:56Chris Ballard is totally sending a third-round pick to the Cardinals for Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:00after he tears up the Lions this week. That'll be the sell-high game for the Cardinals.
38:04That's 100% emotional press move there for Ballard. That's happening.
38:07Okay, let's talk some. Speaking of the Cardinals, the least consistent offenses in these metrics so far.
38:12Five teams stood out here with some variance between their weekly rankings.
38:15The Cardinals, the Bears, the Texans, the Broncos, and the Bengals.
38:18The Cardinals have gone from 12th, 29th, 10th to 23rd.
38:21The Bears, 1st, 27th, 11th, 5th. The Texans, 6th, 28th, 24th, 3rd.
38:24By the way, those two high rankings, that's a Nico Collins stat right there, baby.
38:29All right, so we know that's the thing. All five of these teams, there's a reason for most of them.
38:34Bears, quarterback turnover. Texans, Nico Collins turnover. Broncos, I don't know, Bengals.
38:37The Bengals are the Bengals. They are what they are.
38:40So anything stand out to you from these teams that have been a little bit variable week to week?
38:45No, they're all explainable. I mean, you just nailed it.
38:48Even the 27 for the Bears was, oh, they played the Vikings and Caleb Williams got hurt.
38:53In the rain. In the rain. That's kind of like a throwout game.
38:57And anyone that's a horse racing horse handicapper, it's like rain games or mudder.
39:00Some players are just not mudders. Some offenses aren't mudders.
39:03And you're playing Brian Flores. Not great. The Broncos won, though.
39:06So those negative performances, I think, is more real than anything that's positive.
39:10I mean, now it's easy to say, you know, Bo Nix doesn't push the football down the field, you know, but when
39:16you say it a couple of years ago, you get roasted for it because they're winning games.
39:21Ruin your Thanksgiving. They just ruined my Thanksgiving. The run game is just so dead.
39:25And the whole line's better than that. And it's weird.
39:28It's one of these things I can't put my finger on.
39:31And maybe it's because there's trickle downs. I mean, why is Patrick Mahomes able to hit explosive plays again?
39:36Because now defenders have to worry about the run.
39:38So their eyes are forward. And now they're not worried about moving back.
39:42Or now they're like, oh, shoot, now I have to move back.
39:45For the Broncos, this is the trickle down. Yeah, we see the passing chart right now.
39:50Is that if I'm a defender, if I'm especially how the 49ers play with some too high stuff, top-down stuff, and now
39:56I'm at start at 12 yards as the game goes along, now I'm at nine yards.
40:00Now I'm at eight yards, and I don't have to worry about a threat behind me the entire game because the quarterback's not pushing the ball.
40:07There's that tightness I always talk about, kind of with the Colts as well, except Jonathan Taylor's Jonathan Taylor.
40:13But I do think that maybe Jonah Coleman offers that spark when he comes back, but I don't know.
40:18He's still more of a get-on-base running back. He's not an explosive player running back.
40:22And Bo Nix is Bo Nix. He's the same age as Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy.
40:27This is how he plays. It's just what the results have been the last couple of years.
40:31This is his process. So maybe a spark because so much fire is being lit right now, nationally, locally right now, fan-base-wise.
40:37But also, there's a kind of like leopards, cheetahs don't change their spots.
40:41That could be a little bit of as well, but maybe they have some design plays early just to keep the dogs off.
40:47Hey, J. Waddle, let's launch you one. But this feels more real as far as like, I feel like this is a
40:53bottom, at the very least, a bottom half, not a bottom 10 offense.
40:57That's very tight. And the run game is just so eh right now.
41:01And the passing game is going to be, I think, extremely volatile based on whether Bo Nix hits one or two big plays.
41:07I mean, we know this is a coaching staff that talks.
41:10You know, quite a bit. Certain members are out there.
41:13Yeah. All right. So it definitely felt like a get the message out there that there are plays open.
41:18Okay. Get the message out there that there are guys open down the football.
41:22It sure as hell felt like that this week.
41:25Right. So and sometimes with these, this style of quarterback, I remember a couple of years ago when Jalen Hurts went up
41:31and tore up, he went out and tore up the Steelers defense like late in the season, which was a classic.
41:36Jalen Hurts always tears up these solid defenses, single high.
41:39You're going to get one-on-one looks on the outside.
41:42And Jalen at the press conference was like, yeah, wasn't that what you guys wanted to see?
41:46This happens with these quarterbacks where there's a, not a full-on change of the stripes, but like a quick shootout and get like undo the narrative.
41:54I feel like we'll see that with Bo Nix here any day now where it'll be a, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:59I'm not the check down merchant that I want that you guys are painting me to be, but we'll see if it
42:05changes longterm because they absolutely cannot survive like this.
42:08And I don't know if like more RJ Harvey in the run game is the answer.
42:12I am skeptical, but they can't keep doing like the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and
42:18over again, expect different results for four weeks. Now they pretty much just done the same thing with the run game, with
42:24the Bo Nix check downs, something does have to change here.
42:27And I'm hoping that it's just, obviously we get it.
42:30We get the guy who we traded a first and a third round pick more consistently involved, even if it's, Hey, just, just some layups.
42:37He's got to consistently catch football too. There's that, but the Broncos.
42:40Yeah. A lot needs to change here. I have a share.
42:44I know Hayden said that when you guys did the show on Sunday, that you would just have like all these RJ Harvey stats and check down stats.
42:51I think that's what he said, but the stat I looked up was Bo Nix from the pocket on Sunday.
42:57His average area to the six was negative 4.3, which is incredible, which is like absolutely incredible.
43:02You cannot, unless, especially with guys that aren't, you know, it's not like Supreme yak guys or they're not using the yak
43:08guys, how they should be using you. There's no space in this offense.
43:11And I always use this term. He doesn't let plays breathe.
43:14So it becomes a check down Charlie thing. Yeah.
43:17You met, you mentioned the quarterback thing. Quarterbacks getting a little spark under him.
43:21Same with other coaches with players. I should have bet my life savings that Marvin Harrison jr.
43:25Would catch a touchdown last week. I should have just bet it.
43:29Like I should have just been whether it's trade market or just like, Hey, let's get this guy going.
43:34One of the two. I was like, he's going to catch a touchdown this week.
43:38And sure enough, it was like, sure. I should have just bet it.
43:42Like, cause it was like, that was the easiest bet.
43:45I think I could have made that. They were going to target him in the end zone until I get him going
43:51or, you know, bump up that trade market a little bit.
43:54All right. Before we move on here, just a couple more things I want to hit from these stats and the offensive ecosystem.
44:00We've got to talk about the team that is improving the most in the offensive efficiency metrics, which is no question.
44:06The Atlanta Falcons, they have gone from 26th to first.
44:09If you look at week one, they were 26 this past week.
44:12They were first. They an unbelievable improvement here for the Atlanta Falcons.
44:15Again, their weekly rankings, 26, 32nd, second, and first.
44:18They have been out. Rageously good. The last two weeks, Nate, do you buy this?
44:22Do you sell this? Where do you come down on Michael Penick's greatest offense in the entire NFL?
44:27Well, I'm buying it more than I'm selling it, but I don't think it's like first, like, you know, like going to
44:33be that, but I do think this, the, Hey, the stars are the stars.
44:37And I credit Kevin Stefanski for not overthinking it.
44:39Screw all the auxiliary guys. We got Bajan and we got Drake London.
44:43Let's design every play through them. Every past concept.
44:45Drake London is the primary. And I, and I wish I was making that up.
44:50They are not wasting your time on anybody else.
44:52No cow pits, nothing, not nobody else. John Dotson had the one cool post route.
44:56He did. Okay. You can't, you can't take that away from me.
45:00Yes, I know. I know the immortal John Dotson.
45:02Oh my God. Uh, God, I love his ball skills still.
45:05Um, no, but with, with they, all these concepts I'm watching and there's, they're, they're leaning into what Penick's is good at.
45:11He doesn't throw the ball well over the middle, but he can push the ball and he can launch stuff to the outside.
45:18And if our run game is good enough, and I always talk about, you need something that raises a floor for them.
45:24It's a run game. And that's a ceiling racer too, but passing game wise, let's not do any screens or nickel and diming with Penick.
45:31So let's just let them launch it. Let's just live and die by him launching it.
45:35And that's good. Like I I'm, and they play some juicy defenses coming up.
45:39They got Ravens defense is like gonna get better, but still it's not all the way to there.
45:44Bears defense is more good on third down. They are 49ers defense, which you can pound the rock on.
45:49That's what was so frustrating about the Broncos. They couldn't even run.
45:53We talked about that last Thursday, like run duo.
45:55Oh, Broncos can't. The bucks defense, the bangles defense over the middle, which, okay, maybe that might counteract exactly what I'm saying,
46:01but they have some interesting defenses going against, but I do think the Bajon run game's real.
46:06I think Bill Callahan's got kind of like a little spark under him, old line coaching wise.
46:11And I just really think, I don't think they're going to be like they have in the last two weeks, but they're
46:17going to be much better than what we saw the first two weeks.
46:20So yeah, by on, on Bajon and Drake London, exactly what you expect.
46:24And, you know, I guess Brian Robinson's now the new Tyler Algier.
46:27Guess he can be a kind of flex relevant in certain weeks when they play against some bad run defenses.
46:33I just saw him on one of my waiver wires.
46:36And I, I was just dropping a ton. I'm just, I just dropped a ton.
46:40We'll see if I get him. The waivers have, I was just like, yeah, why this is the exact type of guy I want on my bench.
46:47We've seen the obvious upside. And if there's standalone value, yeah, Brian Robinson's one of the best holds out there for sure.
46:53Okay. Last thing I want to fly here is the offensive efficiency score, static score, the scatter plot here, just because I
46:59think this is just a good final note to land on here.
47:03The teams in the top right quadrant, this is kind of where we want to be.
47:07These are the least static teams and also the most efficient offenses in the NFL.
47:11And I think, again, we're talking about the sniff test, the teams up here, the bills, the Niners, the Ravens, the chiefs,
47:17the Jags, the lions, the bears, the Panthers shock, the Falcons.
47:20Welcome in the Raiders and the Seahawks are kind of barely scratching into that there.
47:25So again, these teams that are pushed, even if again, it's not always, it's not, it doesn't always work right.
47:30Like the dolphins are not very static, the chargers, the Vikings, the Patriots, but Hey, there, you can also tell a story,
47:36Nate, about how those teams, if they can get their stuff together, Colts too, are kind of on that borderline as well.
47:42If they can get their stuff together, they're certainly from a quarterback perspective for the Vikings, you know, the chargers have a lot of problems.
47:49I don't know, but if they can get those, their stuff together, these could be some good by low offenses out there.
47:55Yeah. Especially. I think the Vikings, man, TJ Hawkinson.
47:58I was like, Oh my God, you're getting going now.
48:01The Vikings in the second half, the passing game, actually, they, I know it's the dolphins, but they're actually like kind of
48:07doing, they're kind of such a weird offense right now.
48:09They're trying to do 500 different things. They're, they're throwing stuff against the wall and going like, is this work?
48:15What, what about this? You know, and the second half of the dolphins game, again, dolphins again at home.
48:20I could, I could see the light. I could see a vision of this not being top 10 or 12, but not bottom three.
48:27Like they've been so far this year. Like, I think it's more like the 18th, 20th best offense at times matchup dependent, yada, yada Jefferson coming back.
48:34And then I think the, I've seen Addison get going.
48:37I've seen Hawkinson get going the run game. Now Donovan Jackson, the left guards out.
48:41You don't want to live and die with Aaron Jones.
48:44He's just 30 something years old and he can kind of be boomy, boom, busty, but maybe that's going to be fine, but I can see them.
48:52They've used more shotgun, especially in the run game than they ever have under KOC.
48:56So again, that is something where they're like trying to mold this personnel.
48:59I think it's going to be one that's going to get better that I'm not selling on Jefferson or anything like that.
49:05It's just not going to be, it's going to be a very boom bust offense, which is fine because they have an
49:12awesome defense right now and an awesome special teams.
49:14And that's actually something to be said about the Falcons too.
49:17Sorry. I know we just talked about them, but their defense is legit.
49:21And so because they have a run heavy team with Bajon, Bajon's going to be relevant in a lot of games.
49:27He's not going to get snuffed out in a lot of games because we got to chuck it 500 times to catch up.
49:33So, I mean, like they're going to get the ball back.
49:36They're going to be in a lot of kind of tightish games.
49:39So that is something to be said with the Vikings where they're going to get turnovers inside the 20 and you might
49:45get some nice touchdown looks for some of these guys too.
49:48So they're finding their way, but it's, it's a little imperfect right now.
49:52And again, I'm going to say, I'm hyping up like what I think will be like the 20, 20 second best offense,
49:58but it's all said and done, you know, woo.
50:01Woo. Uh, it's really great right now. They're 25th right now.
50:04So that would be a market improvement. I do.
50:06Yeah, there would be 20, they're 25th in the metric.
50:09So that would be a market improvement there. Um, there are other teams that are, are not, that are static, but are still really efficient.
50:16No surprise. It's the Bengals. It's the Cowboys. You know, these are the teams that you've got the quarterbacks that want to live this way.
50:23And the Cowboys are definitely less static last year.
50:25And I think they could maybe get to more of that stuff as the season goes on.
50:30But yeah, you don't have to worry about that.
50:32The Rams are been more static this year. Again, spread it out, do the tempo stuff.
50:37That's we'll see how that continues to go. Uh, and then the teams that are inefficient and super static all the way
50:43at the bottom left of the chart, it's the Steelers, the commanders, the Titans and the Eagles 32nd in static ranking and 20, uh, 20, 24th and trending.
50:51The wrong way from an efficiency standpoint, I think going to continue to trend the wrong way, considering what's happened with the
50:57offensive line the last couple of days. So I know we'll talk about a lot tomorrow on three Oh one.
51:02So not to go into depth here, Nate, but I am looking at this Eagles team thinking this is quickly becoming a,
51:09to use one of your terms, a zombie team.
51:11It's a zombie team. Yeah, it's definitely a zombie team.
51:14Lane Johnson is a heart and soul player. Um, you know, and it's just one of those things where it's like that,
51:20but not only just as on-field impact, it's just locker room impact.
51:23Now Juergens is, you know, become a scapegoat, but it's just really the whole line has been shoddy this whole year.
51:29The run game has been inefficient unless they played the bears, which I think everybody's going to be able to pop off against the bears run game wise.
51:37Um, so it's just one of these things where now Saquon's hurt, uh, Dallas Goddard is hurt, banged up.
51:42They're playing Zach Ertz. Jalen hurt. If Devante Smith is out there as well as Devante, uh, Dontavian Wicks and Darius Cooper, to his credit are playing.
51:50Those are volatile place. Like Darius Cooper's touched first touchdown was him launching, tipping it up to himself.
51:55Like he's Randy Moss. And then Don, and his second touchdown was him ad-libbing.
51:58Like he should just kept running his over route and he stops middle of his route.
52:03So credit to him for making those plays, maybe interesting and dynasty wise, but I want no part of this offense.
52:09Like I, I want none of it. Uh, it's just, it definitely does not feel, and it's not like the defense right
52:15now, the defense is banged up as well. I don't think it's gonna be a bad defense, but it's not going to be that top five defense.
52:22Not me. Not needle morning. No, it's going to be a goodish defense that I think is going to be susceptible to who they're playing against.
52:29So yeah, I'm selling everything in this. Not that I had much buys in it.
52:34Like the McKay lemon usage, they're trying to get him going, but hurts and hurts and hammer square peg round hole.
52:39Those routes over that he's best at are not what it hurts throws.
52:43And they're not really doing the routes. What I thought that they maybe could use them on sale routes.
52:48Like we talked about fail, big over routes. Yeah.
52:51Hurts is checking those down when they do dial them up for him.
52:54So maybe again, he gets a spark, but they're going to London and they're playing the Jags who are very well game plan.
53:01I know that's just this week, but yeah, I'm a whole hard sell on everything.
53:05Eagles. I'm very excited to talk about that Jags defense with you tomorrow.
53:09I'm I love the way that defense looks right now.
53:11Yeah. Eagles last three weeks, offensive official. Well, okay.
53:14They go 20th in week one, 14th in week two, 21st in week three, 31st in week four.
53:19That's where the Eagles are going. They're not going to a good place right now.
53:23All right. We are going to take a quick break.
53:26When we come back, we're talking Thursday night football.
53:28We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
53:31Thursday night football, Buccaneers at Cowboys. Cowboys are a nine and a half point favorite here.
53:3647 and a half point over under man. Man, this Bucs team, bad vibes.
53:40I, I, I should, I should be able to talk myself into some in Macca, Buka, you know, some, some, some of
53:46this, that, and the other in the past game.
53:48Cause it's the Cowboys. And I just can't do it.
53:51I can't do it. I don't think Jalen Daniels was a disaster by any means last week.
53:56Yeah. He had a couple of picks. Yeah. It's what you expect.
53:59Unwrapped the rookie for agent. I think he looks like a solid NFL backup, maybe potentially.
54:03And just got the ball out. There's just nothing downfield.
54:06And that's the thing about this offense is that they want to hit the primary read, which is going to be a Buka on these big breaking routes.
54:14And just I, Daniels probably doesn't have enough to push it at this point.
54:18Just given where he is in his development. So it's crazy that it's gotten to this point with a Buka that yeah,
54:24backup quarterback, of course, but this is a great matchup and I just can't get excited about this.
54:29Passing game at all right now. Yeah. And it's the thing.
54:32It's like, Oh, but I liked the run game still.
54:35And actually the Cowboys are pretty good against the run and your offense has a guy, a Dak Prescott that can dice up the bullets.
54:42So there's even like, if you wanted to go for that angle, it's like, I don't know about that.
54:47So I think it's Daniels running a lot, which is not good for the receivers, you know, on their stats, which is
54:53also like why I like Jalen Daniels anytime touchdown plus two 90, by the way, could not find his rushing total.
54:59There you go. I looked only on bad MGM.
55:01I'm sorry, but you know, plus two 90 anytime touchdown because the Cowboys are susceptible to scrambles.
55:06They're 27th in EPA to quarterback scrambles right now.
55:09But no, it's passing in wise. It's going to be very, I keep using this term by boom bust.
55:14I think he, he's got a lot of juice in the arm, but like you mentioned, it's not on breaking routes.
55:20He's good on curls, stops and goes, which is, all right.
55:23If you're a defense that wants to play top down, all right, I know what I'm getting.
55:27So let's just not want anyone behind us. Maybe play some catch up later.
55:31You know, maybe get some dirty time stats, you know, if the Cowboys do pull out a lead, but no, it's, it's
55:37hard to buy into anybody with the bucks passing game right now.
55:41Yeah. I mean, they just don't even really run those routes all that much in this offense.
55:45They don't run a lot of those go. I mean, even Ted Hearst is their X receiver and he's a round three rookie from Georgia state.
55:53And he's probably going to draw a lot of Joey Porter in coverage.
55:56He's going to be good to go for this game.
55:59And that's what the way this is going to be.
56:02This is, this is going to be one of those teams where if you have that pure X, they're going to be
56:08able to take that guy away a ton. Cause as we talked about with Porter, he's that Matt zone match turns into man coverage corner.
56:15On the outside. I'm pretty sure. I don't know.
56:17I can't remember off the top of my head, how many stats he, or how many snaps he played, but he didn't allow a catch and coverage.
56:25And there's going to be a lot of that.
56:27We're just, we're going to just go away from him for some of these teams here.
56:32This would be one of those spots. But again, I just, I don't think that it's center.
56:36The synergy is not there. And by the way, like, yeah, I do think Zach Robinson is a, maybe a decent future
56:43as a past game coordinator, but seeing now, you know, cause I think he does some cool stuff.
56:48Like, I think he's objectively good for, yeah, I think he's objectively good for receiver usage.
56:52I think the way he's designed stuff for London and a book has been good, but I don't love the fact that
56:58they just use Michael Penix in the pistol all the time.
57:01And now he's got 14 past attempts under center.
57:04So far this season, he had six, six, you noticed that too, six, you noticed that two years before six.
57:09I know. I was trying to, I tried to excuse that.
57:12I feel like he's the, one of those guys where he's like, yeah, he can't do it.
57:17So we're not going to try it. It's like, well, well, get him on the center.
57:21Try. Especially if a run game like that, like, and you have, like, they do have some decent offensive alignment.
57:27It's like, should have been what they built the whole plane out of.
57:30No, I know it's, and how Baker looked early and he just looked scattershot anyways.
57:35Like, yeah, there was, there's just not a lot of trust in anybody in this offense.
57:39And now they have an undrafted rookie who, again, I do like, like he have like a Tyler Huntley career, but it's more just like, it's Tyler Huntley.
57:47It's not Kurt Warner. You know, it's not, not to that extent.
57:50It's, it's a different, it's not Tony Romo. It's not to that extent of an undrafted guy going like, Ooh, wow, there's some real stuff here.
57:57It's like, he's more, again, it's more fun than good right now, but it's not a total disaster, but yeah, we'll see
58:03how it kind of goes in this matchup. And then Bucky Irving, I mean, from the, I was really excited about his
58:10usage the first couple of weeks, but now they're kind of back to Sean Tucker at the goal line.
58:15We got to get Kenny gain well, more involved.
58:17He caught a touchdown last week. And as you mentioned, if you're going to do something on this Cowboys defense, you're going to throw it.
58:24You're not going to run it. The Cowboys run defense is actually pretty good.
58:28So yeah, it is definitely, it's, it's tough. Okay.
58:31It is really difficult. So that's where the bucks are.
58:33And then for the Cowboys, we know what's going on here.
58:36It's a defense that you said this perfectly. Jack Prescott can pick this thing apart.
58:41He just replaced the blitz. And then you've got Antoine Renfield and Benjamin Morris out for this game.
58:46Cowboys through four weeks, as we're showing on the screen right now, ranks fifth in points per drive.
58:51Like they're, they're a great offense. And I think you can only go further here.
58:55So I think this could, this could easily be the, the George Pickens bounce back game that everybody's been looking for.
59:01Yeah. I think they're gonna be passing a ton.
59:03I think they're going to be, if they get into big bodies, because Bowles likes to match it, they'll be throwing from those big body looks.
59:10Like that's what I like about the Cowboys offense is they can pivot to whatever they need.
59:15And to me, this is a chuck it, not launch it down the field, but quick game, a lot of stuff, get the ball out.
59:22Antoine Winfield jr. Like you mentioned, is out Benjamin Morrison's out.
59:25It was a good corner for them. So I think it's just gonna be pass heavy, maybe some runs down to the low red zone.
59:32And then Tyler Smith might be back. Who's their best offensive lineman.
59:35Tower guidance been playing. Awesome. The left tackle Cooper BB has been playing.
59:39Well, tower Booker has been playing well. Like their whole line is there.
59:42And so, yeah, I'm before the season, I was all in on this Cowboys offense and nothing has dissuaded me.
59:48Like this is now I feel like they're finding their groove actually.
59:51And I'm, I'm very excited to see kind of this next step, but there's seven suplex right now.
59:56And I still don't even think, and that's what they don't live on explosive place.
60:00It's methodical. And then when they have to get explosive in the fourth quarter, they just go, boom, boom, boom and march down the field.
60:07It's, it's a very tough deep or offense to stop.
60:10No matter, even if you have a good unit.
60:13And I don't think the bucks, you know, it's that great right now.
60:16Nevermind. Definitely not. Yeah. They're, they're, they're, they're trending up the Cowboys.
60:20They're 11th, six, 12th, fourth, in terms of the weekly ranking seventh overall, they're, they're going in the right direction for sure.
60:26I think there'll be even higher after this week.
60:28What else you got for this game before we let you go, Nate?
60:32Yeah. Props. I had the Daniels anytime touchdown. And again, if you can find his rushing totals, I would say hard over
60:38on those, you know, maybe if you want all it's over, if you're a true sicko, you know, there's no Denzel Boston ladders this week.
60:45I'm sorry. I mean, that was so much fun to climb last week, but Jake Ferguson over 27 and a half receiving.
60:51I wouldn't go over the over 50. I think the other receivers will get spread out, but I do like him this
60:57week because the bucks are susceptible to tight end targets.
61:00Uh, and actually also speaking of tight end targets, Brevin span forward, anytime touchdown is plus seven 75.
61:05So that's just a fun sprinkle because I do think big bodies usually get these backup tight end looks when they're in
61:11the big bodies, get into the red zone. And I think that'll be, they'll have a lot of plays in the red
61:17zone, whether they're methodical and you can design the kind of tendency breaker.
61:21And then the last one is Ryan Flournoy, my guy, uh, 50 plus receiving is plus two 10.
61:26If you just want to do his over as well, because that's actually pretty smart.
61:30If they play against the blitz, he spreads it out.
61:32But Flournoy gets a lot of touches against the blitz, just on some of their play design.
61:37So I could see him getting peppered a little bit.
61:40If you want to go over his receiving receptions as well.
61:43And again, it's, it's a really good offense. And I'm very excited to watch this matchup actually, even if it's just when
61:49the Cowboys have the ball and maybe Jalen Daniels could do a couple of things fun, but that's where, that's where I'm at with this game.
61:56Good. Yeah. Ryan Flournoy. Yeah. 57% snaps in slots, 5.9 air yards per target.
62:00Like he can be that replace the blitz guy as well.
62:03He's a bigger body receiver, uh, that can be inside out.
62:06So, you know, that makes a lot of sense to me there.
62:10I'm going to just call my shot and say that George Pickens gets in the end zone this game.
62:15I don't know about yardage, anything like that. Just no touchdowns on the year so far.
62:19It feels like there's enough noise, you know, with the whole thing.
62:23I just, one, one goal line touchdown. I see red zone touchdown, incoming here for George Pickens.
62:27I'll call my shot on that one. I like that.
62:30Ryan. Yeah. So I have it up against the blitz this year.
62:33Ryan Flournoy has nine targets. Pickens has 10. CD William has 10.
62:37So it's kind of, it's a very balanced outlook.
62:39Yeah. Yeah, I know. And the explosive player explosives for route there, uh, CD lamb and George Pickens are exactly the same yards per route.
62:46CD lambs, 2.66 Pickens is 2.49. It's just, so again, it's kind of like, all right, pick your poison.
62:51And I, I don't think the, uh, the bucks right now have the horses to keep up with one of them.
62:57I think it's going to be Pickens that pops a little bit.
63:01So I like that as well. All right, Nate, you've done it all.
63:04You've said it all. Appreciate it. Thursday night football, offensive efficiency, static score, under center pace, the whole deal.
63:09We could, this was a true football slash fantasy nerd show for sure.
63:13So great stuff here. I will see you tomorrow for football.
63:16Three Oh one. You guys are definitely going to want to check that out.
63:20It's going to be a really fun preview show.
63:22I've already seen the topics. I'm getting jacked up about that show tomorrow, but for now, we're going to say goodbye to Nate.
63:29We're going to take a quick break. We come back.
63:32We've got Justin Boone and flex plays for week five.
63:34We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
63:37And here is this week's flex fit check presented by verse.
63:40A great fantasy flex player does it all. Just like verse guys where build your lineup of versatile looks fit for whatever the week throws at you.
63:48And look what the week has thrown at us here.
63:51It's Justin Boone back on the Wednesday show. Boone, what's going on, man?
63:54How you doing? What's happening, dude? Feeling good back in the groove here, back inside the top 10 and the fantasy pros, accuracy contest.
64:01You know how much that matters to me and how much time I put in trying to make sure that the rankings are accurate there.
64:08So that was very nice to get back inside the top 10 here after four weeks.
64:12And man, I think in terms of like what we're talking about today, it kind of ties together because like all the
64:18players that are ranked at the top. Yes, you can have some differences, but overall, like it's the same guys that are
64:25normally in like the top 10, the top 15 or so.
64:28It's when you get into like this flex range that it really matters.
64:31And I think that's where like the accuracy comes into play, right?
64:35Can you hit on these flex plays that are going to have the big week?
64:39So we've got to talk through a few of them today and figure it out, Herman.
64:43Yeah. See, this is where, why I'm never going to be good in the accuracy contest.
64:48Cause I sit there and look at the top 10 of the rankings for, I mean, shoot, even honestly, top 15, sometimes, especially at receiver.
64:54I'm like, Oh boy, Nico Collins, Chris, a lot of it.
64:58I don't care. Like you're probably starting both of those guys.
65:01What? You're not going to bench. So that's it.
65:03Just who cares? I'm not, you probably, I'm sure have like, well, actually this is how I'd order these guys very specifically.
65:09That whole deal. That part of it. I know, I know you got it down to a science.
65:14It's just ridiculous. It's, it's full. You should see me, like, especially when it gets to like Saturday and I have all
65:20the information in the brain and I'm just trying to figure out and split hairs between players.
65:25Yeah. It's, it's sad, man. It is very sad, but the results keep showing up.
65:29So I can't say too much. Yeah. Boone is out there.
65:32Like how, how can I find the exact minute difference to be 0.1% more accurate between the Nico Collins, Chris Olave split.
65:38And I'm like, Hmm. Cabernet or Peter Noir. I wonder what I'm going to have next.
65:43Anyways. So that's, that's one hour to Saturday is maybe looking a little different here, which is why Boone you're here.
65:49You need to help me with the first flex fit check.
65:52So we're going to talk three wide receivers, three running backs, two tight ends to discuss whether these guys are good flex
65:58plays or not based on their matchup. You know, we'll, we'll take a look here.
66:02All right, let's start at wide receiver, Josh Downs against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
66:05We were just talking about this with Nate earlier in the show.
66:09I don't love the way this Colts offense looks.
66:11Don't love the way Daniel Jones looks. I am still a big Josh Downs fan.
66:15I'm probably going to still have him ranked inside my top, maybe 30 to top 30 receivers, somewhere between 24 and 30.
66:22How do you feel about Josh Downs going to this week after a down week against the commanders?
66:27Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think you can definitely start him as a flex this week.
66:31We just have to adjust the expectations like a little bit, maybe.
66:35And I say that as somebody who last week was just way too guilty of getting hyped up on the no Alec Pierce and the no Keenan Allen.
66:43And the commanders are a great matchup. And oh my God, he's been getting tons of volume the last couple of weeks.
66:49He's had 70 yards in back-to-back weeks. This dude is going to go off and have over a hundred and a touchdown.
66:55And I ranked him inside my top 20. And that turned out to be a mistake for a variety of reasons, right?
67:01We can talk about how that game script really didn't go to plan because the other team lost their quarterback and that changed the outlook.
67:08But regardless, he didn't pay off in that way.
67:10And I think you talked about it maybe on the panic meter show, just the idea that he's not necessarily that guy, right?
67:17Like him getting over 70 yards in a couple of games.
67:20That's great. That's a great outcome for a player like him.
67:23He's not a true number one receiver in the NFL.
67:26He's just kind of playing one at the moment in this offense because they don't really have another guy to do that.
67:32I'm also very worried though about the Daniel Jones of it all.
67:35And he has not looked good. And this matchup with the Steelers, that scares me a little bit.
67:40Are they going to get to Daniel Jones and cause some havoc, you know, coming back from London and then having to
67:46go to Pittsburgh for this game doesn't really make me feel too good about that.
67:50So we're bringing Josh Downs back to earth. We're putting him back in the range.
67:54Like you said, more of that volume based wide receiver three, but that's definitely somebody that you can put in your flex spot.
68:01Yeah, for sure. And this Steelers team, they'll throw some blitz stuff at you.
68:05They'll play a lot of zone on the back end.
68:07It leads to peppering these short targets and the Colts are all too happy to do that right now.
68:13I mean, yes, this is not 2025 Daniel Jones.
68:15We're talking about here. This is the team ranks 31st in drop back EPA right now.
68:20As I said with Nate earlier, like they're not a good passing team right now, but you can hope for some volume.
68:26I think there will be some volume in this game a little bit more than there was in the last week.
68:32Just a little bit of a fluke performance there, but yeah, I could see another 77 yards type situation for Downs here.
68:38Yeah, for sure. And I always try to factor this in when I'm giving people advice in terms of their lineups is
68:44you're going to look at the players on Yahoo, right?
68:46You're going to see his matchup with the Steelers.
68:49Doesn't look great. The 10th fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
68:52So maybe you're a little bit worried about that, but actually the Steelers have given up some points like other than it's
68:58kind of skewed because that week one matchup with the Falcons and Cooper rush and nobody got home in terms of the passing game in that one.
69:06But since then, Romeo Dobbs, Jamar chase, T Higgins, Denzel Boston, they've all had at least 89 yards against the Steelers defense.
69:12And then Casey Concepcion, who might be a more apt comparison for Downs.
69:15He had five for 64 on eight targets last week.
69:18And that's right in that wheelhouse, right? Harmon, like we're back in that range of like 60, 70 yards.
69:23And that's more than enough. This isn't a week winning player in terms of Josh Downs, but this is a guy that
69:29can definitely fill out a starting spot in your lineup.
69:32Yeah. Maybe he catches a touchdown. Maybe he doesn't.
69:35And that ultimately ends up with where the ceiling outcome is.
69:38Okay. Next guy up here. This is the London game this week, or the England game this week.
69:43We've got Don Tavian Wicks against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
69:45A lot of current news with the Philadelphia Eagles related to the offensive line.
69:49Probably not getting Devante Smith in this game. Where are you at with Don Tavian Wicks from a week five rankings perspective?
69:55So I have my next rankings update going up on Thursday.
69:58So depending when people are listening to this or seeing this, they might already be up.
70:03You can go check that out. But Wicks is one of the biggest followers from the initial rankings.
70:08I had him, I think at wide receiver 33.
70:10And since then, like just everything's gone in the wrong direction, right?
70:14In terms of Lane Johnson retiring. And now this camp Jurgits trade.
70:17And it is a absolute nightmare here for this offense.
70:20Devante Smith, not practicing Saquon Barkley, probably not out there.
70:22Dallas Goddard, not practicing. So doesn't look like any cavalry is coming to help this offense.
70:27That really scares me. They're going up against the Jags who have been pretty good really this year in terms of that
70:33defense and being a legitimate contender where the Eagles are kind of headed in the opposite direction.
70:38So Wicks for me now falling outside of my top 40 receivers in my next rankings update.
70:42It's not solidified yet, but he's going to be somewhere outside of the top 40.
70:46I would basically be scared to play almost anybody in this Eagles offense.
70:50Will Shipley is the one that because all these other backs are probably going to be out, he's going to get some volume.
70:56He's got a role in the passing game. He can still probably get there for you in terms of being an RB
71:03three, but man, do you have any more hope for Wicks?
71:06I would want to sit him just like I'd want to sit basically everybody for the Eagles.
71:10That's where I'm at too, man. By the way, this Jaguars defense is awesome.
71:14I think this is a really, really good team that they close these zone coverage windows.
71:19Travis Hunter cornerback tape was absolutely unbelievable. The last couple of weeks.
71:22I was talking about this one with Hayden and Josh yesterday on stats versus film.
71:26He even has a rep where actually against the guy we're about to talk about here in a minute, just comes down
71:32and pops Dante Myers on the sideline. He's hunters playing extremely well right now.
71:36So even the matchup is another variable here that points me away from Wicks.
71:40Yeah. I'm going to probably have him closer to wide receiver 40 than wide receiver 30.
71:44So I'm with you there. There's going to be some guys I like better.
71:48Even one guy, maybe I Roman Wilson against, against the Colts in that same defense.
71:52I'm going to maybe save those notes for tomorrow's preview show, but he's a guy I might even play over Don Tavian
71:59Wicks, which I did not imagine myself saying that a couple of weeks ago.
72:02Yeah. It doesn't seem like Michael Pittman jr. is going to be out there this week.
72:07So Roman Wilson, definitely getting a bit of a boost there.
72:10Just back to the Eagles quickly before we move on.
72:13Even the sports books are viewing this as them being one of the worst offenses this week, right?
72:18Their implied total at 17 and a quarter implied points.
72:20That's the second worst on the week, Carmen. Like what has happened to this Eagles offense?
72:25So you can't even look at it and say, well, at least they're projected for a decent amount of points.
72:30Somebody's going to get those points. No. And they're going to travel late in the week.
72:35They're going to go out there on Friday. And I mean, it's not the same as traveling to Australia like the Rams did.
72:41And then they just got absolutely smacked around in that one.
72:44But it's probably not a great idea with all these things going on.
72:48Now you're going to show up late in the week.
72:51Like it just seems to be setting up for the Jags to really blow them out in this game.
72:56And that's what's projected right now. They're over a touchdown favorite.
72:59I don't know. Maybe they leave Nick Sirianni over there in Europe.
73:02We'll see. All right. We got to move on from the Eagles before producer JB.
73:06Maybe he's probably just crying. We can't hear him in the ear, but I'm pretty sure I can hear his tears, even though they're not audible.
73:14Okay. Let's go to our last wide receiver. The aforementioned Dante Myers.
73:17Boone didn't have this on my bingo card that we'd be talking about Dante Myers five weeks in the NFL season.
73:23I charted his routes for reception perception. We didn't even have his headshot in the end season tracker had to add that.
73:29So, I mean, that's where we're at here with Myers.
73:32Where's where do you have him in the relative range of flex plays league sizes?
73:36The whole deal wide receiver 36 and rising man.
73:38So that is a start. That is somebody that you could definitely put into your flex spot.
73:43If we find out that both chase and Higgins are going to be out, I think I'll be moving him into my
73:49top 30 on the week in terms of receivers.
73:52And right now, I mean, chase is in concussion protocol.
73:54The, the reports early in the week were like, he has a 50, 50 chance.
73:59It's most guys sit out a week when they're in concussion protocol.
74:02Sometimes they can get cleared and they can actually play, but most guys miss a week.
74:06So I'm projecting him to be out right now.
74:09You look at Higgins and there was a report early.
74:12One of the beat writers was like, he's going to be limited today.
74:15Turns out he didn't practice at all either. So man, it doesn't look like either of these players are going to be out there.
74:22Somebody's going to have to catch the ball against the dolphins.
74:25And Myers showed us last week, like he put up that stat line.
74:29And we have proof of concept already, right? In terms of him getting nine targets, seven catches for 82 yards last week.
74:35That's enough for me to chase it again here.
74:37And it doesn't mean he's going to come through.
74:40We've seen teams basically just run all over the dolphins and not really have to use the receivers that much.
74:45They're also the dolphins defense has been really bad against tight ends.
74:48We'll talk about that more. We get to the tight end flex options in a second, but yeah, he is going to
74:55be Joe Burrell's number one target in this game at worst.
74:58Number two, Mike Gusecki ends up being the number one target.
75:01So he is in play here. A smaller guy, not overly fast, but it's pretty smooth out there.
75:06He looks like he has enough juice. And I think you could play him as a wide receiver three this week.
75:11And this Bengals run game is bad. So they're kind of giving up on the under center stuff.
75:16They're dead last and under center. They're not really able to establish any sort of ground game at this point.
75:2228th. And they probably will be able to against Miami.
75:25I would imagine, but it'll be better, but it's just in their DNA to want to get into the gun and push
75:31it outside, do the whole quick, quick attack thing, which leads into, I think Myers is skill set who also played all over the field.
75:38He was playing some outside on ball snaps. He wasn't just kind of a gimmicky slot based player.
75:43So yeah, I'm, I was intrigued enough with what I saw on tape with Myers to be open to him being kind
75:49of in that range that you talked about there.
75:51And they have a buy in week six. So, you know, you don't want to look at the trap game stuff with the dolphins.
75:58Weird things can happen, but you could probably get by this week, have a buy of a literal by the week after
76:04to get these guys like chase and Higgins healthy coming out of the buy.
76:08Okay. Let's get to the running backs here. We'll stay in that same game.
76:12Your best friend, him of $7 on the waiver wire, Ollie Gordon against the Cincinnati Bengals.
76:16Where are we ranking Ollie Gordon this week? I don't think I'm someone that has take lock that often.
76:22So please help me out here. If I'm coming across, take lock when it comes to this dolphins backfield, but I don't
76:28see Ollie Gordon as a great play this week.
76:30I would be looking to try to sit him.
76:33And I know 102 scrimmage yards and a score.
76:35It was a very solid day. The 53 yard touchdown helped a lot in that one.
76:40The stat line would have looked much more like it did the week before, which is not a ton of production, but
76:46we still count the long runs as well. There's been some talk from the coaching staff that they're going to try to
76:52get Jalen Wright more work this week. And for the record, like Jalen Wright did start that game.
76:57He was out there on the first drive. Then Ollie Gordon got out there.
77:01And then it seemed like Gordon was the more successful one.
77:04And that's what kind of earned him some more snaps as they went.
77:07But this still could go in any direction. I like what we saw from Ollie Gordon last week, but it's hard for
77:13me to get excited about somebody in this dolphins backfield.
77:16That still, I think is up in the air that writes touches could get higher that we could see this be more
77:22of a hot hand situation, which is what I think it was last week.
77:26Don't love the matchup going against Dexter Lawrence and that Bengals defense, which has been a little bit better against the run
77:32this year than they were last year when they were the absolute worst against the run.
77:37So for me, I'm still trying to steer clear.
77:39If I can, it's going to come down to what options you have.
77:43A lot of people out there who are running back needy bid, big, big numbers to try to get him last week.
77:49And if you're in that situation, maybe you have to play him.
77:52But if I can, I'm trying to stay away from Ollie Gordon and that dolphins backfield.
77:57Yeah. Look, I think to your point, not only is this still the worst offense in the NFL, their 32nd in the offensive efficiency metrics.
78:04We talked about in the first part of the show.
78:06They're also dead last in pace score. They do not run a lot of plays.
78:11They're 31st in plays per game. They're 31st in pass rate over expected.
78:14They're 29th and no huddle percentage. They don't, they just don't run a lot of plays.
78:19That's it. Like they, they don't, there's not a lot of opportunity to get touches in this offense.
78:24And if Jalen Wright, who was 31% of the running back touches, Ollie Gordon was 69%.
78:28So that's the thing. You're, you're just, you got to know that it's a very much, you're, you're walking a tight rope with players from this offense.
78:35And the dolphins have the third lowest implied point total on the week at 17 and a half.
78:40So it's again, a situation where do you really want to invest in this?
78:44Are we really chasing that in a backfield where I'm not sure which way this is going to go?
78:50I know a lot of people think after last week that Ollie Gordon's the guy, but yeah, look at the amount of touches, 11 touches last week.
78:57Is he going to get up to 15 this week?
79:00Like maybe is he ever going to get up in the 20 range again?
79:04I don't know. And even if he does the efficiency, like last week was definitely skewed by that one big run.
79:10So for me, if you can, I would try to steer clear.
79:13Yeah. I think I saw Hayden make this point that this is where some of the target share.
79:18And in this case, running back touch share numbers can be less helpful than expected fantasy models.
79:23I believe Hayden was making that point. I saw on social media earlier this week.
79:27Like this is one of those times. Cause yeah, 69% of the rain matches.
79:31Like, Oh yeah, that's work. It's 11. It's 11 touches.
79:33It's, it's 11 touches. That's where the Viking, that's where the dolphins are at at this point.
79:38Where are you going to have him ranked? Like in the, in the, I know we're talking flex plays, but running back
79:44rankings, where do you think you'll slot him? I think I have it open right next to me here.
79:49I was moving him down. I believe he was like RB 37 or 38 for me.
79:54Let's see. All right. So you're pretty, pretty low.
79:56Yeah. RB 36 at the moment. I feel bad.
79:59Cause I actually do kind of like Ollie Gordon, the player.
80:02I just think from an environment standpoint, this is it's, it's really, again, it comes back to mostly the environment, but I
80:08do think he's a really quality back. And I, I'd actually like to see him get more burn.
80:13You're probably going to have this guy ranked higher, but I do talk about another uncomfortable situation.
80:18RJ Harvey at the Los Angeles chargers. Where are you at with Harvey?
80:21I know we talked about him earlier this week, the whole Broncos mess, where you got RJ Harvey this week.
80:27So I think he's like the definition of a flex play.
80:30Like it's not somebody that you want to put in as your weekly RB to, you definitely don't feel comfortable.
80:35If he has to be that, but you can put them in your flex spot.
80:40JK Dobbins. He has struggled and we've talked about it, right?
80:43JK Dobbins has not really come through. We're not getting big yardage.
80:46We're not getting big plays from him. He's barely involved in the passing game.
80:50We also have Jonah Coleman on IR. So it's really setting things up nicely for Harvey.
80:54And we've seen the last couple of weeks. It's not his rushing.
80:58It's just the pass catching. That's getting them. There's 17 targets over the last two games, caught 16 of them for 109 yards.
81:04Meanwhile, he's only rushed nine times for 31 yards, no touchdown.
81:07So you don't like to see that, but JK Dobbins is in the coping corner for a reason, right?
81:12So it doesn't give me a lot of faith that all of a sudden he's going to have a big game, even
81:18going against the chargers, which you would think is a matchup that they should be able to take advantage of, right?
81:24Chargers let the two Cardinals running backs go off for 120 scrimmage yards and a touchdown in week one, the bills, two
81:30running backs over 200 scrimmage yards and a touchdown.
81:33And then Emmanuel Wilson last week, right? 120 scrimmage yards and two TDs.
81:36I don't know if we're going to expect anything like that from this Broncos backfield based on what we've seen from them so far.
81:43The sad thing about this too, Harmon is man, the Broncos are only favored by three points in this game with the
81:49way the Chargers have looked this year. I know divisional games can be a little wonky and strange things can happen, but
81:55going into the season, if I had told you the Chargers would be as bad as they've been in the first month,
82:01you would have thought the Broncos would have been at least touchdown favorites, maybe double digit favorites.
82:06Yeah. Very, very strange in this one. I know the factors in like the, the defensive injuries they have Patrick Sertan and Riley Moss, they're banged up.
82:14So defense might not have the same kind of teeth that normally would, but still man Broncos have some self-respect here, right?
82:20You better blow these guys out of the water.
82:22And if they do that, they need the running backs to get going.
82:26So probably going to get a touchdown from this backfield.
82:29I would imagine. Don't know who that's going to come from, but Harvey is definitely getting the passing work.
82:34I like him as a flex play this week.
82:36He's right around RB 29 for me. Yeah. And I mean, this could just be another one of those check down games for RJ Harvey.
82:43The charters play a good bit of too high coverage.
82:46They do try to put the lid on you from a defensive standpoint.
82:50And Bo Nix is all too happy to not have to not even test that lid.
82:54Don't launch it over the middle. As we saw last week, just check that thing down RJ Harvey over and over again.
83:00We could see a decent bit of that here.
83:03Okay. Last running back. We're going to talk about this is an interesting one.
83:07Tyler Algier against the Detroit lions. We got the Jeremiah love kind of, you know, is he on a percent less workload, the whole deal.
83:13We got that hanging over heads. Plus this is the highest point.
83:17Total projection on the board. This particular game here, lions Cardinals.
83:20Yeah. We got an update right before I jumped on.
83:23I'm trying to go back and make sure that I'm going to get it right here, but the coaching staff saying that
83:29love isn't expected to be bothered by the ankle injury this week, that they're not projecting that to be an issue for him.
83:35Will they still be kind of monitoring his work?
83:38It seems probably like it based on the way things went last week and the way he talked after the game.
83:43But still, even in a pretty good matchup here, as long as love is out there practicing normally, we don't have anything
83:49like that negative about him this week in terms of him being extremely limited or potentially missing time.
83:54Like you did late in that game last week.
83:57Then I think Algiers should also be a sit.
83:59I know he's getting involved. I know he's getting touches.
84:02I know the lions matchup is a decent one, right?
84:05We've seen decent backs go out there and have good games against them.
84:09129 yards and two TDs from Chuba and week two, it was 139 and a touchdown to James cook, even in week
84:15one, like the saints backfield, which hasn't been great.
84:17I mean, Alvin Kamara had like this resurgent game in on Monday night last week, but in week one, the saints running
84:23backs combined for 108 yards and a touchdown. So the lions matchup is great.
84:27And yet I just can't feel confident about Algiers projection in terms of how much he's going to get because this whole
84:33situation is kind of up in the air with love.
84:36So I would be sitting him Harmon. Is that, is that too harsh?
84:40Like based on what we saw last week, it does seem like he's going to have a role.
84:45Would you be willing to actually get him into your flex?
84:48I don't think so. I think that's getting pretty cute.
84:50Now. I mean, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at the running back rankings.
84:54It gets really gross really quick. I mean, even I'm going to probably have Ollie Gordon ranked higher than you do just
85:00because like, okay, we get into the JK Dobbins zone really quickly.
85:04We just talked about that. You get into the Keaton Mitchell zone, the Blake, like Blake Corum, these guys.
85:09I mean, I think Algier, if you're desperate, like you can go touchdown chasing, but I think that's what you're doing is
85:15you're really chasing touchdowns here, which are very, very fickle.
85:18So, okay. Just to put, just to put some context to this, we've talked Harvey, we've talked Gordon, we've talked Algier, put
85:24those guys in order for me, least to most desirable to be in your flex.
85:28Uh, in terms of right now, the way I have it is Harvey first and it's Gordon second and Algier third, but
85:34the last two, they're right next to each other.
85:37They're back to back. So again, trying to avoid them.
85:40If I can, I totally understand though. Don't get mad at me out there.
85:43I get it. If you don't have better options, I got some teams that are struggling at the flex spot as well.
85:50It happens with injuries. We've got bi-weeks going now.
85:52So if you have to play those players, it's fine.
85:55You can, but hopefully you have better options. Yeah, you could do worse, but not much worse basically is, is what you're saying.
86:01Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense there.
86:04Okay. Last two guys, we're going to talk about tight end position here.
86:08Mike Gusecki revenge game against the Miami dolphins. As I told you earlier this week, Mike Gusecki has run the same amount
86:14of routes from the tight end position as you and producer Colin and JB and Jung and me all combined.
86:19Even Steph. Okay. Yeah. We've all run zero routes from the tight end position so far this year.
86:24So is Mike Gusecki. He's a fake wide receiver.
86:27So there's a fake tight end. He's, he's kind of a wide receiver.
86:30Not that anybody wants his reception perception chart. Never get requested for that one.
86:34Anyways, boom. Gusecki flex viable. How good is he relative to Myers?
86:37Even if we're talking about sneaking a bangle into the lineup here.
86:41If both the receivers are out, which again, that's what I'm projecting at the moment.
86:45If both these guys are out, I have Gusecki at tight end nine right now.
86:49And that's the kind of upside we have. We've already scored three touchdowns this season.
86:53Last time he played the dolphins, he scored a touchdown.
86:56He has these big blow up, blow up games.
86:59When there are injuries at receiver that's occurred, even going back to when he was with the dolphins, there'd be guys out.
87:05And all of a sudden Gusecki would come on and be a good fantasy play.
87:09So he's somebody that I think you definitely want to look to get into your lineup, even maybe above.
87:14And this might be like sacrilegious, but even above like the Ollie Gordons and the Tyler, I was years of the world
87:20who are like touchdown or bust RB three flex.
87:23Yeah. I think if you have a top 10 tight end, like Gusecki and in these games this year where he's had
87:29pretty good results, five for 78 and a touchdown, 37 yards and a touchdown, 40 yards in a touchdown.
87:34Like, is that not what the stat line might look like for those running backs that we just talked about?
87:40So he's somebody that certainly can be a flex and he's going against the dolphins.
87:44I hinted at it earlier, just hemorrhaging points to tight ends, the fifth best fantasy matchup for the position this year, four
87:50for 80 and a touchdown to Kittle in week two, 59 and a TD to Kelsey and then 13 for 119 yards to TJ Hawkinson last week.
87:57Just an absurd stat line there. So yes, Gusecki is a quality streamer.
88:01I think he belongs in that low end tight end one conversation and it might surprise people that I would be putting
88:07him over some of the names like we talked about and Ollie Gordon, Tyler Algier, some of those other more traditional flex place.
88:13I'm totally with you on this one though. So every time these receivers miss Gusecki pops up, he essentially just runs all of his routes from the slot.
88:21It's a great matchup. It's an offense that we trust.
88:24I mean, if again, if I'm ranking most likely to have the productive day, I think Gusecki actually is more likely than Myers to have that production.
88:31So just because again, we've seen it with more proof of concept with him.
88:35I know top 10 tight end this week for you.
88:38I think I'm going to be close to that as well.
88:41I bet you're going to have, I mean, what are you going to have him ranked over like Colson Loveland, Harold Fannin?
88:47I mean, probably right. I have him ahead of Fannin.
88:50I have him one spot below Colson Loveland at the moment, but he's right in that range.
88:55I mean, he's right in that range. Yeah. And again, these are the type, that's the type of role Loveland has where he has nine targets last week.
89:02Gusecki could have nine targets in this game pretty easily.
89:05Okay. Last one there. You mentioned him TJ Hawkinson.
89:08Are you chasing the stick route dump off nonsense that we saw from Kyler Murray and TJ Hawkinson last week?
89:13Are you advising people to go in a different direction?
89:16I would go in a different direction, but it really comes down to where Jefferson's at.
89:20And it sounds like he was going to be limited in practice today.
89:24So if he's back out there this week, which I think it's probably trending in that direction.
89:29If he's back out there, then Hawkinson just goes back to being a kind of risky tight end to streamer type, not
89:35somebody that you want to play in the flex.
89:37But I mean, even if Jefferson's out again, does not, this not seem like the Dalton Schultz thing from a few weeks
89:43ago, like Dalton Schultz, the first game without Nico Collins, it was what?
89:4712 catches, 140 yards. Everyone goes out and tries to get that production the next week, but the defensive coordinator, defensive players
89:53on the next team get to see that game tape.
89:56They know exactly what's going to happen. And they just took him out of the game.
90:00They really did. He had like 30 yards in the next game.
90:04So I could see that happening here with Hawkinson, that if Jefferson misses, he ends up being kind of a focal point of the defense.
90:11They take that away and we don't see anything close to that again, but also it kind of seems like Jefferson's going to play this week.
90:18Does it not? I know it's early. We're recording this on Wednesday.
90:21We don't have all the information to go off of, but I'm projecting right now that I think Jefferson's going to play.
90:27Yeah. I mean, he very well might. I would say the one thing that's interesting there is they do have a week six by.
90:34So do they want to give him another week?
90:36Potentially. But I think Jefferson wants to be out there if he's even close to able to be.
90:41He wanted to get back out there in the game against Tampa.
90:45You know, so there's definitely a good, I mean, I would say probably right now it's more likely than not that he, that he's out there.
90:52And anyways, either way, the only thing I would say about just, yes, Jefferson will be back.
90:57That's a big part of it. Kyler Murray, just turning down a ton of throws that were open or just about to
91:03come open over the middle of the field, like the in breakers to Addison.
91:07I get it. If you don't trust Jordan Addison, I don't really trust Jordan Addison either, to be honest, to do that stuff.
91:13So it was just kind of the worst impulses of Murray, which the worst impulses of Murray is just again, hitch route,
91:19hitch route, hitch route to TJ Hawkinson. So I think there's some sustainability there, but I won't have him ranked as a tight end one this week.
91:27To your point, I think it will be Justin Jefferson's back.
91:30Nico Collins is back. That type of tight end does fade away.
91:33So I do think that's a really good analogy by you, but man, we, we ran the whole gamut here with these guys.
91:39We went all the way from Josh Downs to TJ Hawkinson, some, some kind of gross running back plays.
91:45Boone. We did. I think we did the people right in terms of getting their flex spots ready for week five.
91:50For sure. And like I mentioned, go check out the updated rankings, Harmon's mine, Hayden, everybody's are going to be up on
91:56Thursday and updated out there before the Thursday nighter gets going.
92:00So check them all out there. If you have specific ones, you can send us questions, obviously, or just go look who's ranked higher in the rankings.
92:07Yeah. Okay. You can look at Boone's. You can look at Hayden's.
92:10Take a look at Joel's. Take a look at Scott's.
92:13You don't have to look at mine. You don't have to look at mine.
92:17It's fine. I'm doing, doing the best, doing the best I can.
92:20Okay. Which is not very good. So make sure you look at Boone's rankings.
92:24I mean, he's talking about, he's, he's teasing the rankings updates.
92:27Like it's, you know, the Odyssey coming out in theaters or, you know, I don't, I don't even know what movie, what movie's coming out next.
92:34He's, he's teasing it. You know, he's got something coming up here for the rankings update.
92:39Yeah. Mine, mine will be there as well. So definitely make sure you check out Boone's rankings.
92:44And of course, check us on fantasy football live on Sunday morning, as we are deep diving on the rankings, your starts at questions.
92:50I will see you then Boone Sunday morning, but for now, that's going to do it for this show tomorrow.
92:56We will be back 4 PM Eastern on this very YouTube channel.
92:59Josh Norris joins me for the week five preview.
93:02Until then, we are out.

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