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1 hr 48 min
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Oct 9, 2026
Published
Fri, October 9, 2026
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DeVonta SmithBo NixJalen HurtsKaytron AllenMakai LemonA.J. BrownAaron RodgersAlvin KamaraAntonio WilliamsAustin EkelerBryce YoungBucky IrvingC.J. StroudCarnell Tate
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A.J. Brown

NegativeMatchup31:00

A.J. Brown faces the Jaguars' elite secondary with really good corners who employ man coverage looks that Jalen Hurts traditionally struggles against. While Brown and Devontae Smith would normally be aggressive targets against man looks, the Jaguars will likely employ zone looks with two-high split safety coverage where windows close quickly, similar to what they did against Joe Burrow. The Eagles offense has no clear paths forward from a fantasy standpoint this week.

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Aaron Rodgers

NegativeUsage78:22

Aaron Rodgers still gets frustrated with Roman Wilson on a few snaps per game, but Wilson has been designated as the Steelers' shot player against man coverage. Rodgers will like some of the matchups against the Colts and may fling the ball to Wilson when he sees favorable pre-snap looks.

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Alvin Kamara

NegativeRole49:08

Alvin Kamara's usage could be limited against the Vikings as C.J. Donaldson might play the most snaps among the running backs because he is the Saints' best protection back. This makes it challenging to get on board with the Alvin Kamara scam from last week.

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Antonio Williams

PositiveBreakout57:00

Antonio Williams is their leader in yards per out run against man coverage and has been weaponized really well by David Blau. He looks way faster than coming out of Clemson and is lining up on the outside winning in the intermediate portion and creating actual separation as an outside wide receiver. With a projection of two receptions and 23 yards, he should exceed that. He is a third-round pick and a great post-bye rookie bump candidate. The Commanders' bye is week seven, after which they face the Eagles and Rams.

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Austin Ekeler

PositiveDepth Chart59:01

Austin Ekeler is the Commanders' running back going forward after Katron Allen was cut. The team is riding with Ekeler for the rest of the season.

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Bo Nix

NegativeUsage64:24

Bo Nix has the fourth-highest check-down rate in the NFL at 13.3% among quarterbacks with four starts; he is also second in the NFL in throwaways. This pattern reflects a reluctance to take downfield shots and suggests either physical limitations post-surgery or a fundamental preference for quick dump-offs to running backs like RJ rather than extending plays or scrambling.

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NegativeRole65:32

Bo Nix is not scrambling enough this season; Jack Strand has more scramble yards than Bo Nix year-to-date. Combined with his high check-down and throwaway rates, this suggests Bo Nix is avoiding his mobility entirely, possibly due to post-offseason surgery concerns about avoiding sacks in the same way he historically has.

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Bryce Young

PositiveUsage65:38

Bryce Young leads the NFL in throwaways with 21, but unlike Bo Nix, Young has a 4.9% check-down rate—the lowest tendency to dump off. Young's willingness to throw the ball away and then attack downfield on the next play contrasts sharply with Bo Nix's pattern of avoiding downfield throws.

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Bucky Irving

PositiveUsage2:00

Irving dominated Thursday Night Football with 21 carries for 165 yards and 2 catches for 7 yards, totaling over 170 yards from scrimmage with 2 total touchdowns including a 72-yard run on the first play of the second half. Matt Harmon emphasized Irving's explosiveness and ability to find creases, noting he was one of the best players on the field and calling for Tampa Bay to continue establishing him as the offensive metronome, particularly in critical down-and-distance situations where his intelligence and instincts shine.

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C.J. Stroud

PositiveProjection71:12

CJ Stroud is being started for the second straight week in fantasy lineups. The Titans allow a 73% completion rate (31st in league) and 23rd in yards per attempt, making them a favorable matchup despite their low pass rate allowed due to teams running on them repeatedly.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveProjection73:20

Carnell Tate had a solid game in Week 3 and what would be considered a breakout performance in Week 4, but Matt Harmon is skeptical of his production continuing against the Texans, who have defensive studs that can make bad offenses look horrible. The Texans defense should shut down the Brian Dayball-led Titans offense.

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CeeDee Lamb

NegativeMatchup10:00

Lamb was nearly invisible against Tampa Bay's defense, recording only 2 catches for 9 yards despite being banged up late in the game. Harmon called this result crazy given the matchup advantage Dallas should have had; he noted that Lamb was weaponized effectively against man coverage in the previous week against Houston, but the Cowboys failed to generate clean, quick-hitting passes to him against Tampa Bay's soft zone coverage, representing one of the biggest surprises of Week 5.

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Chase Brown

PositiveValue24:48

Chase Brown is running back 14 in points per game but the Bengals have essentially given up on the under-center run game, forcing him to be good from shotgun where there's a thinner margin for error. However, he's still getting 81-82% of running back rushes and 81% of touches overall. Josh Norris calls him an awesome buy-low this week and suggests trading Luther Burden and Travis Etienne for Chase Brown, believing this is the window to acquire him. The Dolphins matchup is favorable; if Brown is going to have success, it will come this week against Miami. After this week, it will be much more difficult to produce.

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Chris Godwin

NegativeRole5:00

Godwin received a true power concept run during Thursday's game, indicating some schematic involvement beyond traditional receiving routes. However, Harmon noted that the Buccaneers' receivers cannot be thrown to consistently due to the quarterback situation and poorly-designed offense, limiting Godwin's fantasy upside despite his role in the offense.

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Chris Olave

NegativeInjury50:51

Chris Olave's health status needs monitoring after taking a hit late in last week's game. He did not miss practice yesterday, but his status should be monitored. If he plays, he should be started, as he is leading the NFL in routes right now.

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Dak Prescott

NegativeMatchup10:00

Prescott struggled against Tampa Bay's blitz-heavy defense in the first half, with free runners consistently reaching him. Harmon noted the Cowboys' offensive line and game plan were not prepared for Todd Bowles' scheme despite knowing exactly what to expect; the offense came out flat and failed to establish rhythm or quick-hitting passes, which Harmon found disturbing given Dallas' talent and the Buccaneers' defensive weaknesses.

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DeVonta Smith

PositiveProjection14:00

Smith scored his seventh touchdown of the season in Thursday's game, continuing his role as the primary touchdown-scoring running back for Dallas. Harmon described him as a touchdown print fest because he is the only running back consistently touching the ball, making him a great fantasy pick despite the Cowboys' inconsistent offensive execution.

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NegativeMatchup31:00

DeVonta Smith faces the Jaguars' elite secondary with really good corners who employ man coverage looks that Jalen Hurts traditionally struggles against. While Smith and A.J. Brown would normally be aggressive targets against man looks, the Jaguars will likely employ zone looks with two-high split safety coverage where windows close quickly. The Eagles offense has no clear paths forward from a fantasy standpoint this week.

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NegativeProjection40:43

DeVonta Smith is currently wide receiver 13 in points per game despite being injured. Matt Harmon does not view this as a sell-high window; instead, he believes when Smith returns, the Eagles offense will be more functional than it currently is, making him a hold.

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DK Metcalf

PositiveProjection76:40

DK Metcalf is being started in leagues despite the Steelers' offensive inconsistency. He is one of the few reliable offensive weapons alongside Jalen Warren, though the Steelers' success depends on Aaron Rodgers hitting his big plays.

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Drake London

PositiveMatchup47:48

Drake London could have opportunities against the Ravens defense on outbreakers and sale concepts, as there are probably enough weaknesses along the boundary for the Falcons to exploit in this strength-on-strength matchup.

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Dyami Brown

NegativeUsage58:24

De'Ami Brown is out there for 60 percent of snaps for the Commanders, meaning none of the wide receivers unless something shockingly changes will play 85 to 90 percent of snaps due to the rotation.

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Evan Engram

NegativeUsage66:24

Evan Ingram was open on a corner route to the outside with 12 yards of separation and an entire sideline available during the Broncos' first drive, but Bo Nix did not throw him the ball, illustrating the quarterback's reluctance to take open downfield shots.

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George Pickens

PositiveProjection3:00

Pickens scored his first touchdown of the season against Tampa Bay's defense, finishing with over 100 yards on 13 targets (team-leading). Harmon had predicted this TD beforehand and noted that while Dallas' offense was disappointing overall, Pickens found success late in the game on slant routes against the Buccaneers' soft zone coverage, though Harmon felt these easy-button slants should have been deployed much earlier in the game.

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Jake Ferguson

NegativeRole1:30

Ferguson, typically a sure-handed tight end, dropped a critical pass late in Thursday's game that could have ended the contest. Harmon sarcastically noted this was the craziest thing Kirk Herbstreet said all season, highlighting Ferguson's uncharacteristic drop at a crucial moment when the Cowboys were attempting a comeback.

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Jalen Hurts

NegativeProjection30:00

Jalen Hurts has been shut down by man coverage; he went two for nine for 10 yards against the Rams' 55% man coverage in the second half last week. The Jaguars have really good corners and will likely employ similar man looks. Hurts has struggled consistently against zone looks with two-high split safety coverage where windows close quickly. Josh Norris projects Hurts for no more than 135 passing yards this week and expects the Eagles to get blown out. In a super flex league, Harmon would start Hurts only because there's no alternative (Sam Darnold being the only other option), and he wouldn't rank him inside the top 12 quarterbacks.

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NegativeMatchup30:00

Jalen Hurts has been a quarterback to score in only 8 of his past 12 regular season games going back to last season. He struggles particularly against man coverage; he went two for nine for 10 yards against the Rams' 55% man coverage in the second half last week. The Jaguars have really good corners and will employ similar man looks. Additionally, Hurts struggles against zone looks with two-high split safety coverage where windows close quickly. The Jaguars will likely dare Hurts to consistently throw into cover-two holes, similar to what they did against Joe Burrow. Josh Norris projects Hurts for no more than 135 passing yards this week.

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Jalon Daniels

NegativeRole4:00

Daniels managed the game effectively for Tampa Bay with 25 pass attempts and 3.3 yards per carry on his runs, keeping the offense afloat without doing anything spectacular. Harmon credited him for solid game management, timely runs including a good third-down run late in the game, and maintaining balance with Bucky Irving's 21 carries, though Daniels' limited arm talent means the Buccaneers' passing game will likely remain limited.

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Jayden Daniels

PositiveRole57:00

Jaden Daniels gets back for the Commanders this week against the Giants. With David Blau as offensive coordinator, Daniels will have the opportunity to open his playbook with healthy bodies around him, as Blau showed cool things in the first half of the Dallas game and the entire Seattle game with Marcus Mariota.

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Jaylen Warren

PositiveUsage75:23

Jalen Warren has been over 90% of running back touches in each of the last two weeks for the Steelers, making him a workhorse. He has been one of the Steelers' best offensive players this season despite not yet scoring a touchdown, competing favorably with DK Metcalf.

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Juwan Johnson

PositiveUsage50:51

Jawan Johnson should be a starting caliber option for fantasy despite the tough Vikings matchup because the Saints run so many plays and will generate enough volume for their pass catchers. The comparison is made to how the Arizona Cardinals' offense functioned last year with Jacoby Brissett, where their defense was so bad that in second halves it was a light show.

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Kaytron Allen

NegativeDepth Chart59:01

Katron Allen, a sixth-round pick running back for the Commanders, was cut while the podcast was being recorded. The team is going to ride with Austin Ekeler for the rest of the way.

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NegativeDepth Chart59:18

The Commanders waived sixth-round pick running back Katron Allen, removing him from the roster entirely.

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Kenneth Walker III

NegativeRole21:00

Kenneth Walker III is mentioned as one of the top-performing running backs that Matt Harmon has on his fantasy team and hopes doesn't get injured. He's part of the group of elite performers (alongside JSN, Kyron Williams, and Chris Alave) that Harmon expects to continue producing through the season, though chaos and injuries could disrupt any player's trajectory.

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Makai Lemon

NegativeProjection31:00

Makai Lemon, a first-round pick, is having the most predictable slow start of all time. The theory of the case for Lemon was that he would run a lot of out cuts off under-center play action (similar to what the Packers did with Jaden Reed), but the Eagles are not doing any of that stuff at this point. Matt Harmon sees him but notes he should not be the number one perimeter player on the Eagles. There is no clear path forward for Lemon from a fantasy standpoint this week.

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NegativeRole39:36

The theory of the case for Makai Lemon was he would run out cuts off under center play action like the Packers did with Jaden Reed and be a better version of Dante Mewicks at times, but the Eagles are not doing any of that stuff at this point.

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Malik Nabers

NegativeInjury57:36

Malik Nabers is dealing with soreness at practice, described as a different soreness than before. Matt Harmon notes that Nabers is probably the most pessimistic player when it comes to his own injuries, being the most doom and gloom compared to other injured players. There is uncertainty about his status week to week.

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Mark Andrews

NegativeRole44:01

Mark Andrews is sometimes sacrificed as the runoff guy in coverage to open things up for Zay Flowers. In single-high looks, if Andrews can hold the safety, the Ravens can still get explosive plays from Flowers, creating bust potential for the Falcons defense.

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Marvin Mims

NegativeUsage66:34

Marvin Mims was clearing out on a dagger concept play over the middle of the field during the Broncos' first drive, but Bo Nix did not throw the ball to the intended receiver on that play, continuing the pattern of missed downfield opportunities.

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Michael Penix Jr.

PositiveMatchup46:47

Michael Penix Jr. is easily on an island in terms of the percent of his dropbacks that are clean with zero pressure, but he has never really been the most mobile player and is coming off a significant injury. The Ravens defense is a tick above the Packers and Saints defenses the Falcons recently faced, and the Ravens are the best defense in yards per target allowed on play action at 3.9 yards per target. Penix has not yet been consistently pressured at 40 percent of his dropbacks, which is a real test.

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Michael Pittman

NegativeInjury76:56

Michael Pittman has been missing for multiple weeks, opening up secondary pass-catcher opportunities for the Colts. His absence creates a void that other receivers like Roman Wilson or Jeremy Bernard may fill.

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Mike Gesicki

PositiveValue23:00

When Tee Higgins misses time, Gesicki becomes the team's number two wide receiver, running zero routes as an inline tight end and functioning as a big slot receiver. Against Miami's league-high 78% completion rate allowed and 90.5% completion rate on throws within 10 yards, Gesicki's matchup is ideal. He's currently tight end 10 in points per game (16 points week one, 11 points weeks three and four) while playing 50-55% of snaps; snap share could increase to 65-78% if Higgins misses. Historical precedent: tight end 5 when Higgins missed week two 2024; tight end 1 when Higgins played below 75% of snaps in week 13 2024. Matt Harmon projects six-plus catches and expects Gesicki to be a tight end flex play this week.

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Nico Collins

PositiveProjection71:12

Nico Collins was QB1 in Week 4 and QB16 in Week 3 against the Titans, who allow a 73% completion rate (31st) and rank 23rd in yards per attempt. The Texans are airing it out with Stroud and should continue to do so against Tennessee.

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Rico Dowdle

NegativeDepth Chart75:30

Rico Dowdle has a chance to return for the Steelers' game against the Colts after missing time. His return could potentially reduce Jalen Warren's touch share, though Warren's strong recent performance may limit the split.

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Roman Wilson

PositiveProjection77:32

Roman Wilson is in line for a pretty good game against the Colts and is Matt Harmon's bold prediction for the week. He averages 2.53 yards per route against man coverage with 10.9% first downs per route—nobody else is close to those numbers. The Colts are seventh in man coverage rate, creating a favorable matchup for Wilson's shot-play role.

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Saquon Barkley

NegativeRole32:00

Saquon Barkley's fantasy outlook has collapsed due to the Eagles' offensive line injuries. The team has a new starting right tackle, third-string center, and third-string left guard, with only Landon Dickerson potentially returning (though he was horrific in week one). Josh Norris built his Barkley outlook on believing in the Eagles' offensive line consistency, but that foundation has crumbled. The rushing attack stems from the offensive line, and the passing attack stems from the rushing attack; none of that is going to get fixed from here on out. Norris speculates about potential trades to Minnesota, Seattle, or Denver, but acknowledges that without Barkley currently being healthy, any trade scenario is unlikely. For this week, Barkley is injured and unavailable.

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Terry McLaurin

NegativeInjury57:00

Terry McLaurin is not expected to play this week for the Commanders against the Giants, which opens up opportunities for other receivers like Antonio Williams.

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Tez Johnson

PositiveUsage6:00

Johnson had an explosive play on a deep corner route where Cowboys cornerback Deron Bland blew coverage, showcasing a role in Tampa Bay's passing game despite limited overall volume. This play demonstrated Johnson's ability to create explosive moments when given opportunities downfield.

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Treylon Burks

NegativeRole58:24

Traylon Burks is out there for 60 percent of snaps for the Commanders, meaning none of the wide receivers unless something shockingly changes will play 85 to 90 percent of snaps due to the rotation.

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Will Shipley

NegativeProjection30:00

Will Shipley is ranked around running back 27-31 this week, reflecting low optimism. The Jaguars' defensive line is incredible—tall, long, beefy, athletic dudes who stuff gaps and force you to work backwards—and this matchup is against backup offensive linemen. While Shipley looks bigger in the NFL than he did in college and has receiving ability, Jalen Hurts has been shut down by man coverage (two for nine for 10 yards against the Rams' 55% man coverage), and the Jaguars have really good corners. Josh Norris projects Hurts for no more than 135 passing yards, suggesting the Eagles will get blown out. Shipley is a rare player who looks bigger in the NFL than in college, but the matchup and offensive line injuries make him a poor fantasy play.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveUsage43:03

Zay Flowers is getting more slot work than he's ever had in his entire career, with the Ravens getting him on so many linebackers through movement, action out of the backfield, and slot work. Declan Doyle understands Flowers is tiers above any other pass catcher and is getting him the ball in layup ways via 13 personnel and motion concepts that put him on linebackers on short crossing routes with run-after-catch opportunities.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00What's going on everyone? I'm Matt Harmon. Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL.
0:07All season long, Toyota is celebrating the passion, traditions, and unforgettable moments that make football America's obsession.
0:12From fantasy football to every kickoff, rivalry, and Sunday ritual.
0:15And we've got a big show for you here today.
0:18We've got a funny, unless you're a Cowboys fan, a funny, kind of sickly twisted Thursday Night Football solo recap.
0:24Talk about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beating the Dallas Cowboys.
0:27What a pathetic performance by Dallas. Absolutely abysmal, shameful stuff on Thursday Night Football.
0:31However, some silver linings on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers side.
0:34You got Bucky Irving. He balls out. I walk you through all of that.
0:38Then, Josh Norris joins the show and we preview the entire Week 5 slate.
0:42We've got some big ones, a lot of things to talk about, some players trending up, some running back twos that you've got questions about.
0:50We get to all of that on the show.
0:53Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:56Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Nightcap. And it is a hell of a night to talk ball.
1:01Not a hell of a night for producer Colin, for Ray Garvin, for Cowboys Nation.
1:06Because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have beat the Dallas Cowboys 24-16.
1:09I will say, and the text records show this, okay?
1:12I thought the Bucs were going to blow that game at the end.
1:16I thought Todd Bowles was this close to a true Bowles masterclass.
1:19And you know what? Frankly, if it wasn't for Jake Ferguson and some absolute nonsense at the catch point there, I think
1:26they probably would have blown that game. I think the Bucs probably would have blown that game.
1:31And you know what? If that would have happened, I think they would have deserved it.
1:36But because we'll just get right into one of the best performances of the night.
1:40Yeah, maybe me in the chat talking about, you know, what do you guys think about producer Colin?
1:46How do you think he's doing right now? Probably not so great.
1:49Actually, I know not so great based on the pre-show chat.
1:53Anyways, more importantly, one of the best performances of the night was from the guy we're showing on the screen right here.
1:59If you're watching with us on YouTube, Bucky Irving.
2:0221 carries, 165 yards. Two catches? Yeah, that's right.
2:05Over 170 yards from scrimmage. Two total touchdowns. One long 72-yard run.
2:08I want to see what the yards over-expected were for Bucky Irving on that one, okay?
2:13Not 72 yards. Probably like 75. He definitely looked like he was going to get hit in the back, but he finds some creases.
2:20Boom. Runs that thing for over 70 yards. On the first play of the second half.
2:25Emeka Ibuka punches in. A rushing touchdown afterwards. Bucky Irving was one of the best players on the field tonight.
2:31Bucky Irving was awesome. Man, when he is rolling, he is so freaking fun to watch.
2:36And the Cowboys really didn't have a lot of answers for him tonight.
2:39He also rips off an explosive play, the final one of the night.
2:43I mean, just, he was great. So, to take him off at the goal line after he punched in a goal line touchdown.
2:50Yeah, that's right. I'm upset by it. I'm upset.
2:53I was upset by that. Sean Tucker doesn't get it in on the fourth down when they should have just kicked the field goal.
3:00Tampa Bay. They tempt fate on that one by pulling Bucky Irving at the goal line.
3:05And what do we get? We get that nonsense.
3:08But don't worry. The Cowboys, despite going, driving down, getting the touchdown to George Pickens.
3:12Told you guys I was coming, by the way.
3:15You know, I get a lot of stuff wrong.
3:17So, let me victory lap this one moment here.
3:20Told you George Pickens was getting his first touchdown against this Bucs defense.
3:24Which did play better than I would have expected.
3:27We'll get into that in just a second. But, yeah.
3:30I thought Dallas was going to come back and win this one because Bowles tempted fate.
3:34But they were rewarded on the drive after that because Jake Ferguson, I guess, just can't catch football.
3:40I mean, insane stuff. Kirk Herbstreet says, Jake Ferguson, usually a sure-handed tight end.
3:44And that's the craziest thing he's said all season.
3:47And he said some really questionable stuff when the Cleveland Browns were on Thursday in football last week.
3:52We'll leave it at that. Okay. Let's talk about the game here a little bit.
3:57Actionable takeaways on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers side because they won this football game.
4:01You got to give Daniels a lot of credit.
4:03You got to give Jalen Daniels a ton of credit for what he's done.
4:08He's not doing anything spectacular. But keeping the ship afloat.
4:11Taking what's there. Occasionally a pretty nice scramble. There was one on third down at one point in the game where he
4:17tries to get out of the left off left tackle.
4:20And one of those moments where actually I think it was probably the sea gap.
4:25I'd have to go back and look at it.
4:27But that was one of those moments where it's like, okay, these guys in the NFL are faster.
4:33Right? They're a little bit faster than what you're probably seeing in college.
4:37Doesn't quite get the edge there. He gets brought down.
4:40But nevertheless, only 3.3 yards per carry for Jalen Daniels.
4:43Still had some nice timely runs to keep things moving.
4:45Had a really good third down run on one of the final Tampa Bay Buccaneers drives there at the end of the game.
4:52So great stuff from him. I think he has just kept, even in the first game, I know he had the two interceptions against Green Bay Packers.
5:00He was still solid game manager type stuff. Just hand that ball to Bucky Irving.
5:0521 carries for Bucky Irving. 25 pass attempts for Jalen Daniels.
5:08I mean, man. That's good stuff. That's a good balance here.
5:11That's a good balance here. You've got to love to see that.
5:15A couple of receiver runs, like I mentioned here.
5:18Chris Godwin got a true power concept run. Emeka Ibuka had the run as well that ultimately ended up in a touchdown.
5:24I mean, they can't really throw it to him consistently.
5:27Finally, nine targets for 38 yards for Emeka Ibuka.
5:30Obviously, we know it's going to be a slog with the current quarterback situation.
5:34And it's just been not a well-designed offense all season long.
5:37So if you did have to start Emeka Ibuka, you got away with it big time.
5:42There was at least one league where I did have to leave him in at a wide receiver spot because I just
5:49wasn't confident with some of the injuries on Sunday.
5:51So got away with it on that one. He ends up coming away with 14.2 fantasy points in this one.
5:57And again, he leads the team in routes, only 28 routes, 90% route participation.
6:02That's great. Just not a lot there for the Bucs receivers in this one.
6:06But I will say another explosive play to Tez Johnson who's got a role on a deep corner route where Deron Bland blew the coverage.
6:13I mean, Deron Bland and Jake Ferguson, I don't know, man.
6:17There's some tough stuff there. I don't really know what they're going to do about Deron Bland.
6:22Just so many mistakes in coverage. Makes the mistake there.
6:25As our buddy Zane says on the screen here, even when Deron Bland makes a good play, it's a bad play.
6:31He's referring to the third down. What could have ended the game if he just caught that interception bobbles out of his hands.
6:38Probably kind of housed that thing, picked six. We might be talking about a totally different stream here tonight.
6:43So yeah, again, credit to the Bucs. They win this game.
6:47It's a bad defense on the other side of it.
6:50Christian Parker hiring has been one of the most disappointing things about the early NFL season.
6:55That defense is so, so messy. So disorganized on the back end.
6:58They don't pass routes off well. They're guarding space a ton.
7:01Watch a team like the Jacksonville Jaguars in the secondary.
7:04By the way, the original hiring of Anthony Campanelli was not met with a bunch of fanfare and national media hype like the Christian Parker thing was.
7:12And again, I thought process-wise, everything you heard about Christian Parker was supposed to be a good signing.
7:18I'm not blasting him necessarily for this, but you just watch what that defense does in the secondary and how well they
7:24pass routes off and how they're never just guarding grass.
7:27They're always closing off routes, like shutting these zone coverage windows.
7:31And then you watch what Dallas is doing. It's a completely, completely different thing.
7:35And for all of the obvious ways in which the Bucs did not have a passing game advantage in this one, because it's an undrafted free agent quarterback.
7:43He's a young guy. It hasn't been a good offense overall this year.
7:47They still make way too many mistakes up front, blown assignments, penalties, the whole deal.
7:52Like this is a veteran group and they're still making those mistakes.
7:55Despite all that, this is a bad matchup for this Cowboys team because Tampa Bay does at least throw some motions at you shifts.
8:02And just like right now at this point, Dallas on the back end has no idea what to do with those, no idea what to do with those.
8:11So at this point, I think this is where we are with this Cowboys defense for the Bucs offense.
8:16Again, I just want to see them continue to establish Bucky Irving because when they can get him into a rhythm, he is a really, really good player.
8:25And I know we talked about it on the panic meter episode this week that we were worried about Bucky.
8:31I mean, I feel like we had a right to be after the coaching staff said, Hey, we got to get Kenny Gainwell.
8:38We got to get Sean Tucker more involved. And they did get Sean Tucker more involved at the goal line in last week's game.
8:45And they come back here and the failed fourth.
8:47I hope they just ditch that nonsense. There's no reason that a guy like Bucky Irving, who has great vision, great instincts,
8:54finds the lanes in these short area. I don't care how big he is.
8:58I don't care. Stop size profiling your running backs.
9:01This guy's a good short yardage back. I don't, it's just kind of crazy to me.
9:06He's good in the receiving. And maybe he's a smaller player, can't handle it.
9:10He once again was kind of like nicked up with something here tonight.
9:14He's always got a little something going on. So maybe I just want to, you know, take, give him a breather every
9:20now and again, give him a breather on like first and 10.
9:24Take some of those carries away from him. Keep him in for the critical down and distances here, because I think the guy is such a smart player.
9:32I remain a really big fan of his game.
9:35I like a lot of what I've seen from him.
9:38He didn't have any big mistakes here tonight. He will make those every now and again.
9:43So I feel like at this point, Tampa Bay is passing game is probably just not going to be what they wanted it to be.
9:50I feel like that's rather obvious. So the most likely way that they can find a metronome, a consistent beat on offense
9:57is with Bucky Irving at this point. So I'd like to see them continue to give him some more work.
10:03Okay. Upcoming schedule for Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They got the Pittsburgh Steelers week six at home, Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons, Chicago Bears week 10 by.
10:10So a little bit of a mixed bag there.
10:13I'm not coming out of this performance necessarily hyped up about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but they get their first win here.
10:19Nice performance from Bucky Irving. You know, Mecca Buka had a couple of moments, including the rushing touchdown, a couple moments he's probably going to want back.
10:27Other than that, it's just it's just kind of some role players here for Tampa Bay.
10:32Not too shocking on that one. Okay, let's flip it to the other side of the ball here.
10:38I mean, Dallas is offense to start this slow.
10:40I know they put it together in the end and for George Pickens to come away with again, his first touchdown of the year.
10:47He comes away with over 100 yards, 13 targets leads the team.
10:51That's great. But man, to start this slow. So discouraging, so discouraging for Dallas because I've been telling you guys this on the show watching this Bucs defense.
10:59This has not been a good unit at all this year.
11:03And this is a veteran team with an offensive line.
11:06You're getting your one of your best players back.
11:08Obviously, now Tyler Guyton goes down late in the game, but that was late in the game.
11:13I'm talking in the first half. They did not have a lot of consistent answers for the blitz like free runners are
11:20coming at Dak pretty consistently in the first half.
11:23I don't like to see that. That was a disturbing and a really letdown performance for Dallas.
11:28They started a little too slow at times throughout the course of the season.
11:32I feel like we need to keep our eyes on that.
11:35That's a little weird to me. They're also not pushing quite as many of the kind of schematic levers as Nate and I talked about.
11:43Like they've gone from a team that was pretty good in the static score to now they're one of the lower teams in the league.
11:50And that's great when you have these awesome receivers.
11:53You have Dak. He can do all the point stuff at the line of scrimmage, get everybody in the right spots, do the protections, the whole deal.
12:01But things have just been a little bit too shaky from an offensive standpoint for me with how talented this team is.
12:07Tonight was definitely the worst version of it. So I'm maybe overreacting to an island game moment here.
12:13But nevertheless, I feel like we've seen just a little bit too much herky-jerky on that side of the ball.
12:19You definitely felt that here. C.D. Lamb coming away with two catches for nine yards.
12:23Again, I know he was a little banged up on the final drives.
12:27He was rather invisible throughout the night. That is crazy to me considering the type of defense they are going against here where I just watched last week.
12:36They did such an excellent job getting C.D. weaponized in targets against man coverage with the linebackers, the safeties, the nickel corner.
12:42Like Jalen Petrie lined up one-on-one, which is not really his deal.
12:46Those Texans players, even if I pointed out that they have issues up the spine and the linebackers and safeties and coverage,
12:52I mean, they're a way better unit than Tampa Bay who's left these wide-open windows for much lesser quarterbacks consistently this season.
12:59And man, just didn't work out at all for C.D.
13:02Lamb here today. This is going to go down as one of the biggest surprises, in my opinion, of week five.
13:08Really disappointing result for C.D. Obviously, we'll have to go back and watch the tape to see exactly what happened here.
13:14But those throws were just not available for whatever reason.
13:17Not a lot of clean, quick-hitting passes for Dak Prescott to C.D.
13:21Lamb. I was surprised by that, especially considering you know you're coming in here and you're going to face some of those blitzes against Todd Bowles.
13:29Just didn't feel like they were really prepared for that one.
13:32Again, which is really discouraging because you know you're going to get that.
13:36You know exactly what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are under Todd Bowles.
13:39So again, really disappointing on that one. The other thing I would say, too, where they did actually pick on the matchups
13:46that you can get this Bucs defense on is on the perimeter.
13:50With the quick stops, we did finally see some slants to George Pickens.
13:53I feel like that has been missing throughout this season.
13:56And just those easy button slants that we saw Dak and Pickens just completely in sync on last year.
14:02Hadn't seen that as much this year. And it really felt like great point from Ted Wynn here.
14:08It felt like they should have been running those earlier because there is these just a cavern of space that the Bucs
14:14play soft zone, soft off man coverage. Zone that turns into match, whatever you want to say it is.
14:20And Pickens is such an easy answer on those.
14:22They did find those, but it was way too late in the game for my taste.
14:27That is something that they should have come out with a lot earlier.
14:31So I'm just not sure what the game plan was here for Dallas.
14:35Really bizarre contest for them from a game plan perspective.
14:38Devontae Williams gets out here. He gets the touchdown.
14:41There's seventh touchdown so far this year. He's just a touchdown print fest because he's the only running back that touches the ball.
14:48The only running other running back who got involved here outside of Devontae Williams who touched the ball only 14 times in
14:54this game because they had to throw the ball so much.
14:57Being a negative game script, the only running back to touch the ball is fullback Hunter Lepke who had a five yard carry in a short yardage situation.
15:06Devontae Williams is just a great fantasy pick. He will remain a great fantasy pick, but yeah, they didn't really ever establish
15:12a consistent ground game here in this one, which is rather predictable.
15:16But I also don't think they offset that with any easy rhythm, quick passes.
15:20So just a weird and really discouraging night for the Cowboys offense.
15:24We can sit here and throw stones at the Cowboys defense.
15:27I think a lot of people will. It's it's deserved, obviously.
15:30But the fact that the offense came out that flat in this matchup where you have so many advantages on that side of the ball.
15:38I thought that was really discouraging. And it just makes you kind of question everything, in my opinion, with this Cowboys team.
15:44Again, they're an offense first team. They have to be an offense first team to not have the advantages on Todd Bowles there.
15:51I thought was pretty disturbing because I mean, I don't think the Bucks are a good team.
15:56Don't think they're well coached and the defense is problematic.
15:59So that's where we are there. OK, upcoming schedule for the Dallas Cowboys.
16:03We got the Green Bay Packers. We got the Philadelphia Eagles.
16:06We got the Arizona Cardinals. We got the Indianapolis Colts.
16:09San Francisco 49ers in week 10. Titans in week 11.
16:12So a lot of winnable games there for Dallas.
16:15But at this point, at this point, they're not two and three.
16:19Not good. Not good, especially when you have the Eagles in the division kind of going through a little retooling moment here.
16:25So, yeah, producer Colin in the coping corner. Ray Garvin not wearing the cowboy hat, hopefully on Tuesday.
16:31It's a tough time in Cowboys world. And you know what?
16:34You deserve it because that was that was a pitiful effort here by Dallas tonight.
16:38So, yes, official statement from the Yahoo fantasy forecast team.
16:41We have come to the decision, a group decision to place producer Colin in the coping corner.
16:46So that's where we are now. OK, that's going to do it for the Thursday night football solo recap.
16:52Appreciate you guys hanging out here. A lot of interesting takeaways from this one.
16:56Let's get Bucky Irving the ball more and let's get out of here.
17:00Good luck in all your other week five matchups.
17:03All right. Now on to the rest of the show.
17:06The week five preview with Josh Norris. Let's get into it.
17:09What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon. Welcome to the Yahoo fantasy forecast presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL.
17:16All season long, Toyota is celebrating the passion, traditions and unforgettable moments that make football America's obsession.
17:21From fantasy football to every kickoff rivalry and Sunday ritual.
17:24And it is a hell of a day to talk ball and joining me to talk a little football.
17:30It is Josh Norris. Josh, what's going on, man?
17:32How you doing? Matt, last week I came in a bit hot.
17:36Hand up. Came in a bit hot last week.
17:39I'm going to match your energy today. OK, so wherever you put us, that's where I'm at, too.
17:44We're ready to have a great show. I like your energy last week.
17:48I want you to run that back. I enjoyed that.
17:51I think the people enjoyed it, too. There are a few listeners and viewers that say, I've never seen this side of Josh before.
17:58So you know what? I think the people liked it.
18:01I think you should bring that exact same energy back today, my friend.
18:05OK, done. You asked for what you get. We're ready.
18:08Great. I'm excited about that. OK, here's what we do on the preview show every single week.
18:13We've got Josh's six pack of fantasy questions. We've got my three games that no one cares about.
18:18But I'm going to try to make you care about at least something in all of those three matchups.
18:24And we have your questions in the Toyota fantasy hotline.
18:27We've got a great topic that you guys contributed to today.
18:30But before we get to any of that, I want to show a little post here from our friend Lord Reeves.
18:37Rich Rebar himself to just make the note that, you know, we think that we know things right now.
18:42We think we feel really good about this. But weeks one to four, you know, it doesn't really mean anything at this time.
18:49A year ago, you know, some of these hurt my feelings.
18:52Roma Dunze was wide receiver three in overall scoring.
18:55I wish that was still the case. Well, Quentin Johnson was wide receiver four.
18:59Emeka Ibuka, Keenan Allen were top 10 scorers. Ricky Pearsall was fourth in receiving yards.
19:04I wish that was still true instead of seeing things for Ricky Pearsall to be fourth in receiving yards this season.
19:10Somebody clip that. OK, Trey McBride was being outscored by two other tight ends at this point last year.
19:16J.K. Dobbins was fourth in the NFL in rushing yards.
19:19Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert were top five passers.
19:21You get the idea. We still have a long way to go, even if some teams started slowly and are likely feeling the squeeze.
19:29So, yes, of course, you've all seen the stats out there.
19:32We've talked about them. I'm sure our fantasy account is tweeting them out.
19:36You know, if you're this whatever, this percentage, you start you start one in four.
19:40You've got this lower percentage make the playoffs. Don't worry about any of that.
19:44OK, yeah, you lose more games. You have a lower percentage of going to the playoffs.
19:49Breaking news. There's a revelation for you. But you guys out there, you guys are going to be that low percentage.
19:55You're going to get it done. You're going to fight back.
19:59You're going to make the postseason. Don't give up.
20:01Never quit because we've seen some mirages, including your team's maybe slow start.
20:05That's a mirage, too. So, Matt, I am looking, though, at like the top 12 scoring running backs and the top 12 scoring wide receivers.
20:13Those all kind of make sense. You know, I kind of would expect those guys to continue on to produce as as we go along.
20:20So as you were saying all those names, I was kind of like trying to poke and prod and see which of
20:27these might not last through the entire season. And I'm a bit flummoxed.
20:31Like I'm a bit confused of which of these names might not hit.
20:35But I guess that's the point of the next 13 weeks.
20:38We have a whole bunch more surprises, despite thinking that we know everything after the opening four weeks of the season.
20:44That is indeed the point. Right. Right. Yeah, I was feeling really confident in myself about the Odunze and Ricky Pearsall breakouts at this point last year.
20:52Things change. Of course, usually, by the way, guys just get hurt.
20:56Right. J.K. Dobbins was fourth in the NFL. He got hurt.
20:59Emeka Abuka got hurt. That's the thing. Chaos will hit some of these players.
21:03We can't see that coming just yet, but it certainly will come for some of these guys.
21:08Hopefully none of the players we're showing on the screen right now, because I love a lot of these guys.
21:14I have a lot of these guys on my fantasy team.
21:18The Kenneth Walkers, the JSNs, the Kyron Williams, the Chris Alave.
21:21Hopefully none of these guys get hurt, but some guys will.
21:24That's enough little preamble here, Josh. I'm just trying to give the people a pep talk as you're seeing all these like, oh, you started 0-4.
21:32Only 5% chance to go to the playoffs. You guys are going to be the 5%ers out there.
21:37So with that, let's start talking week five here.
21:40Josh, what is your first question of the slate?
21:43Yeah, let me pull it up. First question. Well, I have it here as who replaces Jamar Chase and maybe Tee Higgins
21:49against one of the worst defenses in the league.
21:52However, today in practice, we see Jamar Chase trotting on the field in pads with a helmet.
21:57So maybe this is just a Tee Higgins question.
22:00But Matt, I still think it's extremely important because they're facing off against the Miami Dolphins.
22:04Heavy favorites in this one. The Dolphins from the Great Ritri Bar have allowed a league high 78% completion rate so far this season.
22:12And if you even condense it closer to the line of scrimmage on throws within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, they've allowed a 90.5% completion rate.
22:20So I guess the names I'm throwing at you are the alternatives, right?
22:24At Tee Higgins is out. We're looking at our guy, Dante Myers.
22:27We're looking at Mike Gesicki. We're looking at a few others.
22:31Mitchell Tinsley, if you want, the Colby Youngs. Who is your favorite among that group?
22:35I think it's Mike Gesicki. I think Mike Gesicki is my favorite.
22:39Dante Myers, definitely intriguing. Of course, we talked about him on Stats vs.
22:43Film. Justin Boone and I talked about him on yesterday's episode here on The Forecast.
22:47A guy that I definitely think is a promising and interesting player.
22:51Pretty fascinating in the open field in terms of his burst and explosion.
22:55Some more real wide receiver stuff than I probably expected.
22:58But, I mean, Gesicki, this is a proven thing.
23:00When Tee Higgins misses time, Gesicki just essentially becomes this team's number two wide receiver.
23:05He's run zero routes as an inline tight end, as I've said a couple of times this week.
23:10He's a slot receiver for this team, a big slot receiver.
23:13And when you look at this team right now, they're dead last in under center rate.
23:18They're spreading the field a ton. Some of their heavy personnel vs.
23:22three receiver set data is a little wonky because of the aforementioned Mike Gesicki.
23:26I see a lot of shotgun spread stuff from this team.
23:29Very static. Dead last in motion at the snap.
23:32How is that not just going to be a great matchup against this Dolphins defense where you said they give up so many of these layup completions?
23:40I just feel like Gesicki's coming out of this one with six plus catches and feeling pretty good about it.
23:46A hundred percent. I think he's one of these tight end flex plays that we keep talking about on a weekly basis
23:53that you can have two tight ends in your lineups.
23:56Just, you know, go heavy personnel and fancy football.
23:58That's the trend in 2026. Yeah, I mean, seven point favorites here.
24:02And I have some stats on him filling in for T Higgins over the last two seasons.
24:07Like in 2024, T Higgins missed week two. Mike Gesicki was the tight end five.
24:11T missed weeks eight and nine. Gesicki was the tight end 16.
24:15But then the tight end one. Last year in week 13, T plays below 75% of snaps.
24:20Gesicki is a tight end two. Week 16, the same thing.
24:23And Mike Gesicki is the tight end 13. And it's not like Matt.
24:27The guy hasn't already produced this season. I mean, he's the tight end 10 in points per game right now.
24:33Week one, 16 points, then 11 points and 11 points in weeks three and week four.
24:38And that's with, you know, him playing around 50, 55% of the snaps.
24:42I think that could scoot on up to 65, 78% of the snaps if T Higgins misses this one.
24:48So I'm with you about Mike Gesicki. But we really do have to talk about one of the best stories in the NFL and Dante Myers.
24:55I'll give you the floor. Last point on Gesicki, too.
24:58Never forget that when Joe Burrow was maybe starting to hold the Bengals feet to the fire about keeping his guys.
25:05Ryan's like, we need to get T under contract.
25:07We need to get Chase under contract. And we need to keep Mike Gesicki as a free agent.
25:13It felt kind of one of those moments because he's like me.
25:16Me. Revenge game. By the way, it is a revenge game.
25:19He's an integral part to this team's offense. But yeah, Myers, this team has really kind of been hurting for a true wide receiver three.
25:27Andre Oshavos is obviously on IR. I think he's not really like a needle moving player.
25:32I think Myers can move the needle a little bit here.
25:35Josh, I think he separated pretty well on these kind of quick out routes.
25:39You know, when you look at like the Jags defense, they're particularly good at closing those cover two windows along the boundary.
25:46And so there were some of those throws where it was open for a flash with Myers, but then closed pretty quickly.
25:52Not a lot of yards after catch opportunities. I would say the Dolphins defense very much the opposite.
25:58So I liked what I saw from Myers this week.
26:01This could be one of those moments where in four weeks from now, you and I are talking with each other.
26:07And like, you remember when we spent like 10 minutes talking about Dante Myers and how weird that was.
26:13But for a one week sample size, I do think he's got some decent odds to put up some production here.
26:19At the same time, I mean, football gets kind of stale and just the story of him.
26:24And I won't go into it because I'm sure you talked about the show is truly fantastic from CFL to driving from
26:31Atlanta to Cincinnati to play catch with Joe Burrow and all that type of stuff.
26:35It's a great story. What I do like is that it's not as if these pass catchers have to win deep down
26:42the field or run these multi breaking concepts and all that stuff to score points against the Dolphins off or defense.
26:48Like we outlined 10 yards and in just the layups think of TG Hawkinson last week, Dante Myers.
26:53And we talk about shoestrings all the time was a shoestring away from a super long screen touchdown.
26:59The juice that he has in the first two or three steps is outrageous.
27:03So obviously Jamar Chase is the likeliest player to get a screen out there.
27:07But let's say he's isolated to one side and they have a bunch to the other.
27:12They can check into a call for Dante Myers.
27:14And if the Dolphins can't tackle, then boom, Dante Myers is off the races or run some of these underneath concepts on top of it.
27:22So I agree with you that he is my second play here.
27:25And I think I am starting him in a fancy league this week.
27:29What a time to be alive. Josh Norris starting Dante Myers real quick before we move off of this one.
27:35Where are you up with Chase Brown right now?
27:38You know, he's running back 14 and points per game.
27:41It's not like he's been bad, but they have just essentially given up on the under center run game.
27:47So you're going to kind of have to be good from the gun if you're Chase Brown, which we know that's just
27:53a thinner margin for error from a rush game perspective.
27:56Does any of it matter? Because you're still going to be playing in the Bengals offense.
28:01You're getting 81 to 82 percent of the running back rushes.
28:0481 percent of the touches overall. Like, where are we at with the Chase Brown fantasy outlook right now?
28:10Yeah, I'll be the 72nd fantasy analyst to call him an awesome buy low this week.
28:15And this might be the buy low window for him.
28:18And, you know, I got a haircut today, Matt, while I still have time to get a haircut.
28:23Let's put it that way. Me too. Well, you're in a better situation than I am.
28:28Let's put it that way. I just meant I got a haircut today.
28:32I was only commenting on the first part of your sentence.
28:35The second part, you know, anyways, continue. Okay, sure.
28:38You ever watch Doug? I remember when Doug got a haircut and yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:42Nickelodeon. And he shows up and and they just like do this.
28:46And then they're like, okay, go on your way because he just has those three hairs that stick up.
28:51That's basically me getting a haircut too. Anyways, my my my barber, he's hurting at the running back to position.
28:57And I told him to trade Luther Burden and Travis Achan for Chase Brown and send that one out there.
29:03Uh, now I don't know if that person would necessarily do it, but that is kind of the realm I'm thinking of
29:10sending in trade offers for Chase Brown, because I, I really think that this is the window we can do it.
29:16Because if he's going to have any success, it's going to come this week and gets the Dolphins.
29:22It's going to be much more difficult to do it after that.
29:25I think that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, kind of a I mean, I think Luther Burden's a good player, but
29:32I mean, is he he's not going to make the difference in your fantasy season based on what we've seen so far?
29:38Uh, like Chase Brown potentially could and obviously Travis Achan.
29:41I don't know about all that. So yeah, that's a pretty good trade recommendation by you.
29:46Uh, glad you're talking shop, uh, in the barber shop in terms of fantasy football there.
29:51There you go. Okay. Question number two, Josh, where are we going here for week five?
29:56Oh, the Eagles are in dire straits. All right.
29:58The Eagles are projected for the second fewest points of the week.
30:0217. By the way, Matt, this is a neutral site game.
30:05I guess you could call that in Wendley Stadium in London.
30:09Seven and a half point underdogs. They are to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
30:12So my question to you, are you starting anyone?
30:15Are you starting Jalen Hurts or Makai Lemon or Dontavian Wicks or Will Shipley off the waiver wire?
30:20Or is this just such a falling off a cliff disaster franchise at this moment that we drafted so many of these
30:27players highly that we can't even touch it? I mean, I think I'm, I'm starting Jalen Hurts in a super flex league because there's no alternative.
30:35Like he, he's him and Sam Darnold. That's my options.
30:38There we go. Uh, will I rank him inside my top 12 quarterbacks?
30:41Probably not, but he won't be too far off of that.
30:45I didn't get any Will Shipley, uh, waiver wire exposure.
30:48There was always, always somebody that was a little more excited than me.
30:52And I just go through the, I mean, my God, look at these, look at these receivers, man.
30:57I know I see Makai Lemon, but Colin is first round pick and his slow start is the most predictable thing of all time.
31:04Um, so not shocked by that. Don Tameen Wicks obviously is still a good player, but he should not be the number
31:11one perimeter player, uh, on your football team. So it's just really dark for the Philadelphia Eagles.
31:16I do think the, like the sky is falling narrative on the entire franchise is a little overstated or that they're going
31:22to start selling off all other pieces and everything.
31:25I, I think they're probably going to say, Hey, we've seen four games of this so far this year.
31:31This is not, this is, it's not our year.
31:33And we're probably already starting to think about what's the next era at the quarterback position.
31:38And let's start loading up some draft picks for the future.
31:41I think this team will be fine going forward.
31:44I don't think they're going to be like one of the worst teams in the NFL, but from a fantasy standpoint, I
31:51don't see a single clear cut must start on this group.
31:54Yeah. I think I somewhat disagree that Howie Roseman thinks that this Philadelphia Eagles team is going to be fine this season.
32:01And I think if they get an offer for like a third round pick for safe one Barkley, they might do that.
32:07You know, I'm, I'm not to the point and the Eagles are not going to be to a point where they sell
32:14off, you know, Devante Adams or any of their star defensive players or any of that sort.
32:19Yeah. Kyle Lemon, obviously, or anything like that. But these, you know, older players or ones that they believe might be on a decline.
32:26I am of the opinion that Howie believes that the quickest way to do a reset is to do it all in
32:32one sweep and to do it quickly. In order to do that, you have these draft picks like with everything lining up in 2028.
32:40I think Saquon is going to be 31 years of age at that point.
32:44So I don't know if another team will come calling while he's in with these hamstrings.
32:49But Matt, I mean, it all comes back to the offensive line.
32:52Like my outline and hope for Saquon this season was all built on believing in a franchise that has been one of
32:59the most consistent over the last decade in the NFL.
33:02Understanding that their offensive line was the most important part of the offseason.
33:06All those guys being healthy ahead of week one and in training camp.
33:10And then they go from there and they build on from there.
33:13And here we are in week five. It's a new starting right tackle.
33:17It's a third string center. It's a third string left guard.
33:20And none of those guys are really coming back other than Landon Dickerson, who was horrific in week one.
33:26And we'll even see what a shell of himself he is when he's back on the field.
33:31And so it all starts from there. Like that is where the rushing attack stems from.
33:36And then the passing attack stems from the rushing attack.
33:39And I don't think any of that is really going to get fixed from here on out.
33:44No, I don't either. And I mean, look, you couldn't have seen this coming.
33:48You couldn't have seen this coming when you're talking about Saquon Barkley in August.
33:52I wish I did. Yeah, whatever, dude. That's not your fault.
33:55I mean, I don't think you need to. You don't need to come on this podcast and explain yourself about the Saquon Barkley stuff.
34:03You could not have seen this coming. Nobody could.
34:05Nobody knew Lane Johnson was going to retire after three games.
34:09Crazy. Yeah, I mean, and all respect to him to do it.
34:12He has every right. It's his career. It's his life.
34:15All respect him to do it. But nobody could have seen that coming.
34:19No, I think Landon Dickerson is the first player in NFL history to bench himself for a performance in week one.
34:25So just like it is. It is what it is.
34:28This stuff happens every year. There's always chaos in the NFL.
34:32This is a chaotic situation. Now, I don't know.
34:34I don't know if anybody's calling for soon to be 30 year old Saquon Barkley on a big deal dealing with injuries.
34:41Like who's who's making the call for Saquon Barkley in that scenario?
34:44That's by the way, who's going to make. Let me rephrase that.
34:48Who's going to make the call for Saquon Barkley in that scenario?
34:52And it's going to save his fantasy season. If that's like the copium here.
34:56I've got three teams for you. You ready? First one.
34:59Minnesota Vikings. All right. What if their offense continues to struggle?
35:02He's the jumpstart of that to match their defense and to actually give them a playoff chance.
35:07All right. Number two. What about the Seattle Seahawks?
35:10Jadarian Price. It's been a first round pick at him.
35:13He's banged up. Zach Charbonnet coming back. Sure. But is your backfield going to be Emmanuel Wilson and Zach Charbonnet?
35:19Or do they need the game breaker that they got last year that won them the Super Bowl in Kenneth Walker, the third.
35:26Third team. Denver Broncos. Sean Payton. Not seeking a bit hot, but just everything's not working offensively.
35:31And Matt, I mean, if Bo Nix is going to dump it off 10 times a game, wouldn't it be better to
35:37dump it off 10 times a game to Saquon Barkley instead of RJ Harvey?
35:42Just the thought. We'll talk about the Denver Broncos.
35:44I'm not sure that that's all that great of a situation right now.
35:48But we'll see what comes with that one. But yeah, I like Zane's suggestion of here's my fake trade where the Eagles get another 2028 second.
35:56Like, I actually don't. There's no scenario where they're getting a second round pick for Saquon Barkley because I mean, whoever takes
36:02him probably has to cut him at the end of the year.
36:06And that depends on what he even looks like.
36:09I think this would be much more live, Josh, if he was not currently injured.
36:13If he was going to play some football games, I think this would be a little more live.
36:19But that Viking suggestion is not a bad one.
36:21If they win this week, they're 5-0. They just look at it like, hey, Aaron Jones has been good for us there.
36:28But their zone run game stinks. They're like all their Nate and I were talking about this on 301 today.
36:34All their zone stuff is kind of like it needs to just go in the trash at this point.
36:39But Saquon Barkley has always been a better man gap runner if you look at the history of his rushing efficiency.
36:46So that actually could be a pretty interesting one if that does indeed happen.
36:50I will say, though, for this week, I know you don't rank here at Yahoo.
36:54You got out of that one, which congratulations to you.
36:57But it was never in. Take the compliment. Either way, congratulations to you.
37:01I'm jealous. If you were to rank, though, where would Will Shipley even fall for you as somebody that does have to do the rankings?
37:09I have no idea where to place him. I mean, you get down to kind of the all right.
37:14You get him off the waiver wire. You get into the kind of David Montgomery, you know, maybe one of the Patriots running back zones.
37:22Tony Pollard. I'm inclined to kind of put him there, which is late 20s at the position.
37:27That doesn't really speak a lot of optimism here.
37:30No, not at all. That would be exactly where I was going to put him.
37:34Like, I don't know. Running back 27, 28. It's bile.
37:37I mean, consensus rankings this week, I think have him as like running back 31.
37:42Oh, that's rough. Look, this Jaguars defensive line is incredible.
37:45They are tall, long, beefy, athletic dudes. And they stuff gaps and force you to work backwards.
37:50And again, this is against a whole bunch of backup offensive linemen.
37:53That's rough. You know, Will Shipley is one of those rare players, though, Matt, that actually looks bigger in the NFL than he did in college.
38:01I thought. And he did a whole bunch in college in terms of catch passes and run the ball.
38:07And I understand the NFL. He's kind of been mostly a receiving back.
38:11The other area that has me really concerned is one.
38:14Jalen Hurts has now been a quarterback to score in eight of his past 12 regular season games going back to last season.
38:20And he really got shut down by the Rams and man coverage last week.
38:25They played 55 percent of man coverage in the second half, according to Retrieve Bar.
38:29Jalen Hurts went two for nine for 10 yards.
38:32It's because they have some really good corners against these, let's say, to be desired wide receivers.
38:37And guess what? The Jaguars have some really good corners against these wide receivers again.
38:41So I think it's a question of Jalen Hurts tops.
38:44I don't know, 135 passing yards this week. I think they're going to get blown out.
38:49I honestly think the Jags are going to blow.
38:52Jags might be the best team in the NFL and their defense is fantastic.
38:56I think people probably still aren't talking about how good that defense is.
39:00You mentioned some of the stuff up front. But the back end is just this is the type of coverage to the Jalen Hurts traditionally struggles against.
39:08Sometimes when you get them against these man looks, when you have A.J.
39:12Brown and Devontae Smith. Yeah. Hell yeah. Of course, that's awesome.
39:15But those are the coverages that he would be really aggressive against.
39:19This zone looks that's a lot of the too high split safety stuff where the windows close really quickly.
39:24I mean, they're going to try to, which is kind of what they did with Joe Burrow last week.
39:30They're going to try to dare Hurts to consistently and bait him to throw into the whole shot of cover two.
39:36And we'll see if he can do it to these guys.
39:40You know, it hasn't really happened so far consistently this year.
39:43I mean, even Makai Lemon, the theory of the case for Makai Lemon was he's going to come in here and run
39:49a lot of these out cuts off under center play action, which is what the Packers did really well with guys like Jaden Reed.
39:57He was going to kind of be a better even Dante mewicks at times.
40:01They're not doing any of that stuff at this point.
40:04So I really don't see a lot of paths forward for this Eagles offense from a fantasy standpoint.
40:09I don't think the team will totally bottom out, but I think it is on to the next era.
40:15Last point on all this. Did you see that Nick Sirianni called Damian Pierce a starting level NFL running back?
40:21I did. I did. Maybe that's a statement that Nick Sirianni is living in like 2023 still and not 2026 or whatever
40:27year that Damian Pierce had that was decent. Maybe that's the problem.
40:31You know, maybe he's not up with the times enough.
40:34He's listening to August fantasy football podcast from the 2023 preseason.
40:37That's where he's listening to for the Damian Pierce stuff.
40:40Matt, I do have one more question on this real quick.
40:43Okay. Devontae Smith, I understand he's injured, but he is the wide receiver 13 in points per game right now.
40:49Is this your sell high window on him? No.
40:52See, I think like if he comes back, we're talking about a team that can be functional offensively.
40:57Okay. Mild more than what they're going to be this weekend.
41:01Again, if you're an Eagles fan sleep in on Sunday, JB producer here.
41:05He's an Eagles fan. JB sleep in on Sunday.
41:07You're on the West Coast. Anyways, pal. I don't know if you have to wake up to work, but I'm going to
41:14I'm giving you can tell your boss. I'm giving you permission.
41:17Sleep in Colin. I just gave him permission to sleep in.
41:20All right. Miss the morning stuff. Okay. Don't wake up early to see this because they're going to get smoked.
41:26But going forward, like when you get Devontae Smith back, I think actually that will be I think this will be fine.
41:33Okay. All right. I'll take you to my next question.
41:36Cool. Here it is. How will Declan Doyle fare with a backup quarterback and how will that impact Derek Henry and Zay Flowers?
41:43Again, this is like the injury portion of the program.
41:46But guess what? That is what fancy football does to us because at some point fancy football is all about handling injuries.
41:52So we've already seen other play callers handle backup quarterback so far this year.
41:57Ben Johnson with Case Keenum and Tyson Bajant and back-to-back weeks.
42:00David Blau, we saw with Marcus Mariota. Even Brian Flurry back in week two with Drew Locke.
42:05And now Declan Doyle gets Tyler Huntley. So Matt, the Ravens are actually two and a half point underdogs here to the roaring Atlanta Falcons at this moment.
42:13So what are your expectations here for Baltimore? Do you know the Falcons are third best in success rate on defense right now?
42:20There's four teams under 40%. It's the two teams you think about, Minnesota, Seattle, one and two.
42:25Then it's Atlanta. Then it's Los Angeles. How much of that is competition and everything?
42:30I mean, the last two offenses they played have their weaknesses in New Orleans and Green Bay.
42:35But I still think that they're not complete jokes offensively.
42:38It's not like they're playing against the Dolphins or whatever.
42:41So, I mean, ultimately, I do think this defense is tough to play against.
42:45They're just throwing a ton of heat up front.
42:48Once again, Jeff Ulbrich is pitching some good stuff on that side of the ball.
42:52I think it's going to be tough for Declan Doyle and company with a backup quarterback.
42:57But I would say, like, watching the Zay Flowers stuff right now, Josh, there's so many easy buttons right now.
43:03I'm not taking anything away from Flowers. I'm not taking anything away from Lamar when I say this.
43:08But they get him on so many linebackers just with all the movement stuff, action out of the backfield, slot work, more
43:15of the slot work than he's ever had in his entire career.
43:18So the bar for Tyler Huntley to just to Snoop Huntley to get the ball out to Flowers and just kind of
43:25try to keep the pass rush at bay with Derrick Henry.
43:28And by the way, they've thrown some screens to Derrick Henry this year, which I think has been inspired work.
43:34It's not going to be the most difficult offense to come in here and take the controls of if you're if you're Snoop Huntley, if that makes sense.
43:43It makes sense. Yeah. What I've loved about Declan Doyle so far is he understands that Zay Flowers is tiers above any other pass catcher that they have.
43:51And they're getting him the ball, like you said, in kind of layup ways like they'll go 13 personnel, which keeps base defense on the field.
43:59But then they'll kind of spread it out with that or motion to tight end as a decoy like Durham Smythe, who
44:05is now injured, but like all the way out to wide receiver.
44:09So everyone kicks out there and then that puts Zay Flowers, like you said, on a linebacker and he kind of just
44:15sits over the middle on a short crossing route and then runs after the catch with it.
44:21It sounds so easy when you're saying it, yet it's so difficult for a bunch of these other teams to manufacture these receptions to their wide receivers.
44:29And this was the theory of the play with me and you loving Zay Flowers this year is that Declan Doyle was
44:35going to be able to do it and literally taking concepts from Ben Johnson that he learned last year and implementing him, which is fantastic.
44:43My only point is like Snoop Huntley has never really been a 200 plus yard passer in the last few games that he started.
44:50And in fact, kind of the most game breaking ability that he has is with his legs with 53 and 60 rushing
44:56yards over the last two starts that he had last season.
45:00And I think that's vital here. You know, like you mentioned it with Jeff Ulbrich in this defense.
45:05They've lost our two best edge rushers, but somehow, some way he like lights a fire under them every single time.
45:11And they play relentless and they fly to the ball and the attitude that they play with like really stands out.
45:18And so this is, I think, a pretty tough test for Tyler Huntley to come in in week in week five compared
45:24to the Atlanta Falcons depth chart on paper. Right.
45:27And the Falcons do some disguise coverages. They just typically rotate down to a single high look, which would really benefit Zay
45:33Flowers and some of those shots down the field that they want to take with him.
45:38It's a great point about the tight ends clearing space.
45:41This is why sometimes like the sacrificial player does not always have to be the fastest guy on your roster.
45:47They're like sacrificing Mark Andrews sometimes. I mean, they're there, which is, you know, 31 year old Mark Andrews or whatever.
45:53I mean, but like there are times where he's the runoff guy in coverage and that opens things up for Flowers here.
46:00So in those single high looks, if you can get Mark Andrews to hold the safety and you can still get that
46:07explosive plate of Flowers, there's enough bust potential for this defense that I think Flowers can get at least a couple of explosive plays.
46:14So still starting Flowers, obviously still starting Derrick Henry.
46:16But yeah, the entire just I'm actually curious on the other side of the ball, Josh, that matchup, the Falcons offense against the Ravens defense.
46:24Do you have anything on that one? That's exactly where I was going to take this, because I actually think maybe the
46:30biggest benefit, if the Ravens offense is going to be successful, is if their defense plays the Falcons offense incredibly well.
46:37Obviously, first number one is somehow slowing down the run enough for you to have, you know, a lead on offense.
46:43And that's kind of how you take Bijan out of the game.
46:47But the other part is actually pressuring Michael Penix.
46:49And at times that's easier said than done, right?
46:52Because of the rushing attack and play action off of that, but also just how well this Falcons offensive line has been.
46:59I'm still monitoring like the Jake Matthews injury when he left on, you know, Monday Night Football or whatever it was, Sunday Night Football, whatever it was.
47:07And yeah, I mean, but Michael Penix is easily on an island in terms of the percent of his dropbacks that are
47:13clean, that have zero pressure attached to them. I'm still wondering how he's going to fare when he actually has one of
47:20these games where he is consistently pressured or pressured on, let's say, 40 percent of his dropbacks.
47:25And we just really haven't seen that yet. And he's coming off a significant injury and to me has never really been the most mobile player.
47:33So I understand that everyone is on the Falcons right now as being electric.
47:37And their last two games have been freaking fantastic.
47:39But the last two games have been against, you know, the Packers defense and the Saints defense.
47:45And at least to me, I think the Ravens defense is a tick above that.
47:49Yeah, totally, totally fair on that one. They're also the best defense in terms of yards per target allowed on play action by a decent bit.
47:573.9 yards per target when they face play action.
47:59The second best team is the Rams at 5.1.
48:02The Steelers 5.4. So that's kind of what the Falcons want to do, right?
48:06We've talked you and you, me and Hayden talked about this on stats versus film again.
48:11It's like they're really getting Michael Penix under center, you know, and they're taking those shots off play action, which has been nice to see.
48:19But that's kind of the strength of the Ravens game right now.
48:22So there's some spots. I think if they can get Drake London on outbreakers and sale concepts, there's probably enough weaknesses along the boundary there.
48:30But yeah, it'll be a really kind of strength on strength matchup from that perspective, that side of the ball.
48:36Not so much for the offense in your fourth question in terms of strength on strength with this defensive matchup.
48:42Where are we going here? Yeah, I think this deep into the season, it's all about, hey, this player drafted in the 20s-ish.
48:48Is he for real? Should we continue to start him no matter what the matchup is?
48:53And that brings me to Tyler Shuck, who is the quarterback five in points per game right now.
48:59And he faces Brian Flores and the Minnesota Vikings defense.
49:02So Matt, simple question, who wins that matchup? I mean, I think it's going to be Brian Flores and the Minnesota Vikings defense.
49:08How many ways do you see for the Saints to dig themselves out of that potential hole?
49:14I don't see very many. Their stats against the Blitz are actually some of the worst in the NFL this year are the New Orleans Saints.
49:21Obviously, Brian Flores had to be watching that game on Monday night just licking his chops, baby.
49:26Just excited to get after this offense. Not only that, I think this is tough if you're considering playing Alvin Kamara.
49:33I think C.J. Donaldson might play the most snaps among the running backs this week because he's probably their best protection.
49:39He's going to do his best. Chris Brooks. Yeah, he's their best protection back.
49:43So if you're trying to get on board with the Alvin Kamara scam from last week, that's going to be a little bit challenging here.
49:51So, yeah, just a lot of a lot of interesting wrinkles with this one, but a lot of ways where it's not
49:57great from the Saints offensive perspective against this defense.
50:00A hundred percent. This comes from Taj Seth. If you look at EPA per play on defense, the gap between the Vikings
50:06at number one and the Seahawks at number two is the same gap between the number two Seahawks and the Bengals at number 14.
50:14That just shows what the Vikings and in a tier of their own at the moment they are.
50:19And then it kind of plays perfectly into how bad the Saints have been early in everything.
50:24Like early in games, they're not putting up enough points, right?
50:27Early in series, they're getting to third and longs.
50:30It's never a great sign when you play your best football in third and 12, 13 and 14 situations.
50:36Now, that is very exciting and very cool when you have these shots that Tyler Shuck is, you know, getting blasted and
50:42it's a moon ball that falls into the lap of Chris Olave perfectly or Jawan Johnson perfectly.
50:47Like that's that's awesome television. That's not awesome when you're facing a Minnesota Vikings defense who I think is going to be
50:54very, very prepared for that because that's a that's a tightrope to walk.
50:58You know, I mean, Tyler Shuck, though, again, that maybe he gets home in this is that he's averaging a league high 49 dropbacks per game.
51:05Right. That's like 20 something more than Trevor Lawrence is doing on a weekly basis right now.
51:11They're basically playing different sports, but he is coming off a season high 53 percent pressure rate.
51:16And again, the Vikings defense leads the NFL in pressure rate at 46 percent.
51:20And when blitzed, like you said, the Shuck numbers and attempts are like 22nd and 26th across the league.
51:25So this might be an early submission for the horror movie month.
51:29That is October. The thing is, though, I don't I don't want to go too far on the panic stuff here for
51:36Shuck in the Saints offense, because you mentioned that they run so many plays.
51:40And even if the Vikings are able to gain an early lead, they'll run enough plays.
51:45There will be enough volume for Shuck, I think, to dig out a viable fantasy quarterback performance.
51:50And same for the pass catchers. I mean, I think this is a game where Devon Valey could catch like eight balls
51:56here because they're going to run so many plays.
51:59Do they want to? I mean, Chris Olabe's health status, we've got to monitor that.
52:03You know, it's like he's not missing for injury of practice yesterday, but he did take that hit late in the game.
52:10So keep an eye on that one, of course.
52:13But, you know, if he plays, he's going to you play Chris Olabe.
52:17But just again, the amount of times late in last week's game where the ball is coming out so fast to Valey on these quick slants.
52:24You can do that against this Vikings defense because they send so many extra bodies and they play.
52:30I would say some pretty loose zone coverage on the back end.
52:33So there will be opportunities for Shuck and these pass catchers to get home again because they run so many plays.
52:40We are we're definitely trending towards a fantasy scam with this offense.
52:43We might already have arrived there. You know, again, I made the comparison to Devon Valey, maybe not going to go full Michael Wilson.
52:50He would need a Chris Olabe injury to do that.
52:53And I don't want to have a Chris Olabe injury by any means.
52:57But he's leading the NFL in routes right now, and he's a pretty good player getting that volume.
53:03The Saints offense kind of reminds me of how we ended with the Arizona Cardinals last year with Jacoby Brissett, that their
53:09defense was so bad that in second halves, it was just a light show.
53:13I'm typically not someone that loves, you know, garbage time because garbage time means that you sucked for opening two quarters and then flip the switch.
53:21And oh, now we're good and now we can score points.
53:24But when you're also tied to a play caller who just runs plays at a speedy and relentless rate and then just abandons the run, it totally works.
53:33So to me, the horror film was how many shots and maybe unblocked pressures that Tyler Shuck is going to be hit.
53:39But I am still starting Tyler Shuck. I am still starting Chris Olabe.
53:43I am still starting Jawan Johnson and Devon Valle in a bunch of these matchups because, like you said, the volume should
53:50get them to be starting caliber for us in the end.
53:53Yeah, this year's Arizona Cardinals, I can certainly buy that for the New Orleans Saints.
53:58I mean, a lot of the same variables. They also cannot run the ball, just like those Cardinals could not run the
54:04ball last year, despite anybody's desire and intentions here.
54:07Okay, what is question number five for week five?
54:09Okay, this is a leading question. I'm going to lead the witness.
54:13All right. Who is the most underrated offense on week five and why is it or could it be the Washington Commanders?
54:20Okay, the Washington Commanders this week faced off against the New York Giants.
54:23Four point favorites, a team total of about 23 points.
54:26Matt, they get Jaden Daniels back. Doesn't sound like Terry McLaurin is going to play.
54:31But you and I have been thoroughly impressed in about, let's say, a game and a half of David Blau when he's
54:38had like enough healthy bodies around there. Like, I would say the first half of that Dallas Cowboys game and then the
54:44entire Seattle Seahawks, which is, again, the second most difficult opponent you can have in the league with Marcus Mariota quarterback.
54:50He showed some very, very cool things. And you compare that to who the Giants are defensively, where they rank last in
54:57the NFL and pressure rate at 22%. And then they are quite poor in terms of stuffing the run on early down.
55:04So while this commander's offense averages a league high 8.1 yards needed to gain on third downs, maybe they can remedy that
55:10against the weakness of the Giants and first and second down.
55:13And David Blau can kind of find this sweet spot, this flow state in terms of opening his playbook finally with his healthy quarterback.
55:21And this Giants secondary fourth in fourth most man coverage.
55:24And they really leaned into that last week against the Cardinals.
55:27They're like, we are just going to man up on these receivers to some pretty decent success.
55:32This is a little bit more of a different offense where they get these guys flowing a little bit more horizontal.
55:38And I think they're going to cause some chaos and confusion.
55:41If there's no Terry McLaurin, I think we could see some Antonio Williams moments here.
55:46He's their leader in terms of yards per out run against man coverage.
55:50They've weaponized him really well. I think on tape, the yards per out run is matched up with the success rate and
55:56him actually getting open and creating a ton of separation against man coverage.
56:00He can be a real weapon for them in this matchup.
56:04So, yeah, I just don't really buy the Giants on either side of the ball right now.
56:09Really skeptical. Don't love, by the way, Malik. And, you know, this is how it goes.
56:13Last week, he's like, oh, Malik Nabors is back, baby.
56:16Then this week, he's like, well, I'm a little sore at practice.
56:20It's a different soreness than before. I mean, I kind of think we're going to go back and forth, snip, snap, snip, snap with Nabors constantly.
56:28So I just don't really buy anything on either side of the ball for the Giants.
56:32So I like your theory of the case here that the commanders could indeed be that sleeper offense this week.
56:38I appreciate Malik Nabors optimism, not optimism, his honesty.
56:41But he is probably the most pessimistic player when it comes to his own injuries, like the most doom and gloom of
56:48like, actually, I feel terrible right now. Compared to all these other injured guys that you hear, it's like, it's just a flesh wound.
56:55And then I'm just going to keep playing through it.
56:58Nabors is the exact opposite. I love the Antonio Williams shout.
57:01I was going to make the exact same one.
57:04Now, none of these wide receivers, unless something shockingly changes, is going to play 85 to 90% of snaps.
57:10Because you know this, Matt, we have to pay the tax of De'Ami Brown out there for 60% of snaps.
57:15Traylon Burks out there for 60% of snaps. Somebody's got to get sacrificed.
57:19Correct. But I will absolutely take the over on this Antonio Williams, two receptions, 23 yards.
57:24That is the projection here for week five. He is someone that looks way faster to me than he was coming out of Clemson.
57:31Like, I thought he was more of a slot Tyler Boyd-ish player.
57:35But no, he's lining up on the outside. He's, I think, winning in the intermediate portion and creating actual separation as an outside wide receiver.
57:42I love to see it so far. I want him to, I want people to pick him up.
57:48Because I think as we go along, if we can consolidate this down to three wide receiver names, Antonio Williams could have real fantasy value.
57:55He seems, and you know, third round pick. Like, it doesn't always happen for these guys.
58:00But theoretically, it seems like a great post-by rookie bump type of candidate.
58:04Their bye week is indeed in week seven. They come back and play the Eagles and the Rams.
58:09So, you know, some tougher defenses. We'll see where the Eagles are at that point.
58:14Maybe they've traded everybody. I don't know. Doubt it.
58:16But nevertheless, I really like Antonio Williams. Yeah, I'll take the over on two for 23.
58:21I mean, he should have had that massive touchdown last week for the people who slept in for that Europe game.
58:27He had a long touchdown that was called back due to penalty.
58:31So, yeah, I mean, he's a good player. I think they really like him.
58:35I agree with your notes. I mean, I kind of compared it to more of like a Sterling Shepard type is what
58:42I hoped he would become in the league. It's your favorite player ever.
58:46My favorite player ever who was actually a much more impactful, faster downfield player before he had literally every injury in the book.
58:53But, you know, I was thinking more gritty, reliable slot player for Antonio Williams.
58:57Yeah, he definitely looks more explosive than I thought.
58:59I agree with that. By the way, update on another rookie for the commanders.
59:04Katron Allen was a cut while we were doing this podcast.
59:07So, whoa. Yeah, one of those guys. Unless I'm tripping here.
59:10I mean, I guess they're like, you know what?
59:13Austin Eckler. We're going to ride with Matt Harmon's former co-host for the rest of the way.
59:18Yeah. The commanders waved six-round pick running back Katron Allen, according to Adam Schefter.
59:22That is the thing that happened. Poor went out for Hayden.
59:25This was one of Hayden's favorite prospects in the draft.
59:28This actually kind of brings me to my next point.
59:31Hayden, I know, a weird favorite to have. But Hayden loves his.
59:35If you weigh over 210 pounds and run the football and gain 3.6 yards, Hayden loves you.
59:40I'm sure they're trying to get him back on the practice squad, by the way.
59:45I'm sure. But, yeah. I mean, what a shot.
59:47What a shot on Hayden. I love when Josh comes on this show and just talks about Hayden behind his back.
59:53I want to know what you guys are saying.
59:56Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Okay.
59:59He never talks bad about you during the recaps.
60:02Well, those are only 25 minutes. If those went 28 minutes long, he might get to it.
60:07I got to know what you guys are saying about me after I leave stats versus film.
60:12But we'll talk about that off air. No. I mean, Hayden is the fifth best ranker in the world.
60:17Like, what? Someone has to put him, you know, bring him down to earth a little bit here.
60:23Fair enough. You know? The commanders have been horrible running the football.
60:26Now, it makes sense when you lose your left tackle.
60:29You have to reshuffle your offensive line a little bit.
60:32And, you know, Bill's a second year seventh round pick and all that type of stuff.
60:37But again, the Giants are allowing five yards per carry, 30th with a run of 10 more yards, 30th rate.
60:4312.3% of the time. They're 29th in yards before contact per attempt.
60:47So, this might be a case where a negative versus a negative leans in favor of the offense.
60:52And if that's the case, again, you can be on time, on schedule, open up even more of the playbook on second and third downs.
60:59Because, again, you're ahead of the sticks. I wonder if this team at this point just is going to abandon the run game in a way.
61:07Interesting. They're releasing Catron Allen. You know, Rashad White is back at practice.
61:11He's like a pass-down guy. Eckler is a pass-down guy.
61:14They're keeping him around. And it's just like, yeah, they'll do some performative rush stuff with Ja'Kory Kroski Merritt.
61:20But they're another team that's not really getting under center.
61:23They're in the gun. They do some decent spread stuff.
61:26So, I do wonder if they just might be one of those teams.
61:30They cycle in. I remember Jory in our preseason show with her saying that the commanders viewed their receiver room as the deepest on the team.
61:37And I was like, really? They really do? But to their credit, they've played all these guys.
61:42And, you know, again, it's sacrificial roles for guys like Deami Brown.
61:46Every now and again, Traylon Burks makes a play.
61:49But, you know, Williams, McLaurin, when he's been healthy.
61:51And, oh, my God, why are we showing this ancient video of me?
61:55Bro, Matt! Whoa! Who greenlit this? I mean, what are we doing here?
61:59JB, did you so dirty? Really? After I gave him permission to sleep in on Sunday, JB shows this.
62:05I mean, what was I thinking with that beard?
62:08Josh, what was I thinking with the beard? If you're listening to the audio version of this, we are showing a video.
62:14The first episode of the second season of Eckler's Edge at the Chargers facility.
62:18By the way, Justin Herbert was on that episode.
62:21And he said, you know, outside of football, I live a pretty boring life.
62:25I wonder what Justin Herbert thinks about his outside of football life now.
62:29I don't know. Oh, this is incredible. Oh, gosh.
62:32I'm sure they're cackling in the back. Oh, yeah.
62:34Great. That was fantastic. Don't pull up my stuff.
62:37What year was that? That was 2022? 2020? Maybe 2022.
62:40Oh, gosh. A long time ago. Yeah. All right.
62:43You know what? I don't know what I was thinking with that beard.
62:47I'm glad I trimmed that off. Okay. Let's go to that.
62:50You look fantastic. Then or now? Oh, now. Now.
62:53Okay. Now. Yeah. Not that. Appreciate that. Great. Great.
62:55Now that we're talking about everybody's weaknesses here. Hayden's love of plotter running backs and, you know, my facial hair blindness.
63:02All right. Where everybody's weaknesses have been covered here.
63:04Let's get to the sixth. I didn't say anything about your haircut.
63:08Let's get to the sixth and final question of the week.
63:11Sean Payton will reportedly be more involved in the play calling, Matt.
63:15What will change, if anything, about the Denver Broncos?
63:17I mean, I don't know if you want me to read these, you know, monologues that we have from Ian Rappaport and
63:24Adam Schefter on just the words or lack thereof that they use.
63:28Okay. I want you to read them. From Ian Rappaport.
63:31Broncos coach Sean Payton will be more heavily involved in the offensive play calling this week.
63:35The process will remain collaborative with OC Davis Webb continuing to be a major voice on game day and during the week.
63:42But Payton will have a say. Read between the lines.
63:45Translate that to me. Who do you think is the one who's actually going to be on the headset to Bo Nix
63:51relaying what the play call is and choosing what that play is?
63:55Does it matter? Like, truly, does it matter? Sean Payton to reporters today said, we'll make a change offensively.
64:01I'll call the place. So I guess it's going to be Sean Payton.
64:05Okay. He said that to Adam Schefter. As we are taping the show, he says that.
64:09It doesn't matter, Josh, because is Sean Payton going to call the Bo Nix throw the dig route plays?
64:15Because those plays are on. But Davis Webb has been calling them.
64:19They just have the quarterbacks not throwing. I saved this stat just for you, Josh, because you will appreciate it in one part of the ways.
64:26Okay. Bo Nix is guys who have started four games so far.
64:30He has the fourth highest check down rate, according to fantasy points data, 13.3 percent fourth highest.
64:35He is also second in the NFL in throwaways.
64:38So that is just some disgusting football. Number one in throwaways, by the way, by a lot, is your boy, Bryce Young, 21 throwaways.
64:45But here's the thing. If you're going to throw that ball away, you're going to.
64:49Well, number one, you're pressured. Bo Nix, not as much.
64:52If you're going to throw that ball away, you better come back on the next play and launch that thing.
64:58And Bryce Young is launching that thing. 4.9 percent check down rate for Bryce Young.
65:03I don't love the whole this ethical Hooper. I don't love attaching ethics to the way people play football.
65:09I think it's a little bit. I think it's a little bit weird.
65:12But but what Bo Nix is doing is definitely dishonorable.
65:15Okay. So I don't really know if it makes a difference.
65:19Like, again, Bo Nix was asked about this and he basically said, yeah, I'd rather just dump it off and let RJ
65:25run with it than me run with it. You know, and that's a big part of it that we haven't talked about
65:32enough is that he's also not scrambling either. Uh, Jack Strand has more scramble yards this year.
65:37I think I've said that like three times this week.
65:40So I don't really know what to do. And I don't know if the play caller truly matters.
65:45A lot to hit on there. I love that point that you made because we had a conversation stats versus film about
65:52it of if Bo Nix, uh, in his brain, in his heart, just in his feelings about not wanting to run as much or use his mobility.
66:00This is on the heels of off season surgery, right?
66:03And Bo Nix is calling card so far this season or his career has been avoiding sacks, you know, a low pressure to sack rate.
66:10Typically that has been hoping to find this Goldilocks zone of moving enough or sometimes moving too much in order to avoid that pressure.
66:18If he feels physically that he can't avoid sacks in the same way anymore.
66:22I think that's, what's leading to these quick dump balls.
66:25That's what's leading to these check downs, you know, because Matt, to the first point that you made, what is Sean Payton
66:31going to go out there and call four more dagger concepts that are wide open in the middle of the field and
66:38Bo Nix isn't going to throw them again. Like Davis Webb, there were two on the first drive, Evan Ingram on a
66:44corner route to the outside with 12 yards of separation, an entire sideline, didn't throw it.
66:49And then that dagger concept to Pat Bryant over the middle of the field that Marvin Mim or someone was clearing out
66:56for, and he didn't throw that either. Um, so yeah, it's maybe Sean being in his ear might change this, but something
67:02has to change, uh, in order for this Broncos offense to, to feel fixed again.
67:07And, uh, the charters defense, I think is actually played a little bit better than maybe certainly the way it started this season.
67:14You know, Jacoby verset and the boys tearing them up in week one.
67:18I think it's gotten better and better every single week.
67:21They gave Sam Donald some trouble last week. So it's not exactly just a clean, easy cupcake matchup here for this Broncos
67:27team, especially because they, now the charters will run those two high looks and the middle of the field will be open.
67:34It's just up to the quarterback to take it.
67:36But my kind of theory about football players and really kind of people is that everybody kind of is generally the same throughout the course of their life.
67:45You just get a little more exaggerated one way or the other.
67:48And usually for football players, once you start to experience injuries, you kind of become this fun house mirrors, maybe exaggerated version of yourself.
67:55Bo Nix has always been this way. Bo Nix has always been a turn down, check it down player.
68:01Now it's just worse than ever. And I think because Broncos fans are mad there and because of this play calling thing, there's just more attention on it.
68:10So I'm actually not sure this is going to get better just by putting the play calling duty back with Sean Payton,
68:16but I'm very much open to being wrong in that because I respect Sean as a play caller so much.
68:22Yeah. The only thing I'll say is, you know, Sean during his Bo's rookie season, it would kind of just be some
68:29type of manufactured screen or touch to a wide receiver coming out of the backfield or something at the line of scrimmage.
68:35And then off of that, after they suck everything in, it was shot plays down the field.
68:40I wonder if they're going to kind of get back to that where he really doesn't have the ability to read anything.
68:47It's, Hey, we're going to do a whole bunch of screens to hopefully waddle Marvin Mims, RG Harvey, that type of stuff.
68:53And then we're going to try to hit you over the top and just really get it very basic to what it
69:00was versus, you know, him waxing poetic about Bo Nix prior to last season and basically saying this is the second best
69:07quarterback I've ever coached other than, uh, other than Drew Brees.
69:10Okay. Two last, two last things on this and then we'll go to break.
69:14We'll move on. Okay. One, I think that's a good point that the best thing to do might be, you know, like
69:21kind of strip it down to the studs a little bit here, uh, in terms of the offense, get back to basics.
69:27And then the conversation becomes more of, okay, can you keep doing this with this guy?
69:32Is this your long-term quarterback and all of that?
69:35Um, for our purposes, from a fantasy standpoint, don't really care.
69:38Like, let's just get through this season and get these guys, the football and activate the offense.
69:43I think that might be the way to do it.
69:46The other thing is sometimes when you do the whole, let's promote the, uh, quarterback's buddy, it can work really well.
69:52I think we've talked about the relationship between Brad Edzik and Bryce Young.
69:56That's worked really well. Um, Joe Brady and Josh Allen.
69:59We'll see how it goes over the course of the season, but kind of the same dynamic there.
70:04That's definitely this one. Uh, I think even if Sean Payton says all these nice things about bonus, they've clearly always had a pretty combative relationship.
70:12Your, your boomer boss versus your, you know, Gen Z employee and all that, where maybe Davis Webb just related to Bo Nix better.
70:19We'll see, maybe there's going to be a proof of concept that the combative relationship is actually better than the buddy buddy relationship.
70:26And maybe there's something to that. Like under, under all this dagger and scheme talk, maybe that's as simple as what this comes back to.
70:34So you're saying sometimes people do their best work when they're fearful, they're scared of their superiors and their bosses and all that type of stuff.
70:42Interesting. I like it. You're, you're not wrong. I mean, listen, I'm now very afraid of what the producers are going to
70:48show after that Eckler Eckler's edge video. So I'm going to try to do my best work on this show so that
70:55that no one Googled Josh Norris Elon, or else you'll see some terrifying photographs from, uh, from what I looked like in college.
71:02Let's put it that way. We, we are actually going to do that, but before we get those photos, we are going to take a quick break.
71:10We come back on the other side. We're talking no one's games of the week.
71:14My God, let's hope there's not a fantasy hipsters segment up on the, uh, up on the show.
71:19After that comes up, that's a shout out for the real ones on that note.
71:24Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll, we'll actually get back to some football talk here.
71:30All right, we're back and welcome to no one's games of the week.
71:33The, the lullaby gets me every time and it always leads into a perfect Tennessee Titans game.
71:39All right. And here we are once again, Texans at Titans here in week five, the Texans are seven and a half point favorites.
71:46Both of them are Oh, and four coming into this one.
71:49Uh, Josh, if the thing is, there's actually some fantasy players we care about here, mostly the Texans side of things.
71:55So I present you this game. D'Amico Ryan's taking back play defensive play calling duties.
72:00That'll fix it. Uh, all right. What do we got?
72:03I mean, we've talked now about two head coaches taking over play calling duties for teams that are struggling.
72:08I think we're sensing a theme here. Uh, yeah.
72:11I mean with, with the Texans, I'm actually starting CJ start for the second straight week.
72:16Um, I mean with Nico Collins stride has been the quarterback 16 and he was the quarterback three last week.
72:22Uh, Titans have allowed a 73 completion rate 31st in the league, 23rd in yards per attempt.
72:27Um, they do face the lowest pass rate in the league just because, you know, they're losing and teams just run on
72:34them over and over and over again. But Matt, did the Texans want to run the ball over and over and over again on anyone?
72:41So I just love how they're airing it out with CJ Stroud, uh, for better or for worse, uh, in terms of
72:48their defense, maybe not shutting down the opponent's offense.
72:50But I think the Texans defense will shockingly be great because they're not facing Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Dak Prescott here.
72:57Yeah. Texans are actually fourth, uh, in my pace score.
73:00Uh, they're 10th and no huddle 11th and pastor to rexpected eight and plays per game seven and seconds per play.
73:06I mean, they, they're at least pushing that pace, uh, which is kind of what they have to be at this point.
73:13Also, they've just completely abandoned like any heavy personnel usage.
73:16Maybe some of that is game script related, but I mean, this was a big talking point for them in the off
73:22season that, Oh yeah, we're going to, we draft Marlon Klein.
73:25We signed Foster Moreau. We don't have to do the jumbo stuff that we did last year.
73:31They're, they're pretty much three receivers on the field, which, you know, I'm glad they finally got Jalen Knoll on the field for 70% of the routes.
73:39I think he's going to, he can help the offense, but my God, man, I'm just, it is, it's, it's the CJ Stroud, Nico Collins show.
73:46And I really don't see a lot of other viable alternatives for this team, but that is probably more than enough to
73:53beat this version of the Tennessee Titans. And on their side of it, do you buy Carnell Tate and the production that
74:00he's been able to put up a specific solid game in week three?
74:03I think I got your answer based on the facial expression.
74:07Uh, and then in week four, he actually had what would probably be considered his breakout performance.
74:12Not this week. Again, I understand that there's this belief and sure it's somewhat been proven true because the quarterbacks that they
74:18faced, but, uh, I mean, I still think that this Texans defense has enough studs to make bad offenses, which the Brian
74:25Dayball led Tennessee Titans is a bad offense. Uh, look horrible.
74:28Um, I will say Kamari Lassiter, I think is first in the NFL in terms of penalty yardage allowed at 60.
74:34So if that's like the matchup, maybe that Carnell take can, can win or take advantage of this week.
74:40But again, like you have Will Anderson, you have every other defensive lineman and pass rusher on top of it.
74:46And along with the corners, like, I just think that this is honestly the perfect time for Jamika Ryan to say, Oh
74:53yeah, uh, we got better on defense because now I'm calling place.
74:56Yeah. I think that's very fair. They also don't really have the type of, I mean, they've moved Carnell Tate around a
75:03little bit, but they don't really have that type of movable chess piece, uh, to attack the linebackers attack the safeties.
75:09Is this going to be a big Wanda Robinson game?
75:12Uh, I'm skeptical of that. Okay. Let's get to the next contest here.
75:16We've got Colts at Steelers. I'll start with the Steelers here, Josh, probably the best thing that was happening with Pittsburgh, at
75:23least from a fantasy standpoint, was that Jalen Warren was over 90% of the running back touches in each of the last two weeks.
75:30He's been just the workhorse, but now it sounds like Rico Dowdle might be back.
75:34He's got a chance to return for this game against the Colts.
75:38Do you think Pittsburgh goes back to a straight split here or is the Jalen Warren stuff too good for them to completely turn away from it?
75:46Yeah. I think you could make the argument that Jalen Warren has been their best offensive player this year.
75:51I understand what he hasn't scored a touchdown yet.
75:54Is that, is that still true? Um, but I mean what he's competing with DK Metcalf and that's about it.
76:00Like Jalen Warren has been outstanding so far and the changes along the offensive line here for the Steelers have been great.
76:07Like Maxie Honacher at right tackle, uh, you know, their left side is very good too.
76:12So that's their strength. Um, and it can kind of come down to, okay, is Aaron Rodgers going to hit the two
76:18or three flick of the wrist, big plays that he does on a weekly basis and lets it fly and lets it
76:25rip and dials it back 10 years. Uh, if those hit, then they win those games.
76:29Right. So the Steelers are a tough one. Like I, I have been starting DK Metcalf in leagues and obviously Jalen Warren
76:36is an excellent play, but without Michael Pittman and miss missing for multiple weeks, Matt, I kind of wonder if there's a secondary pass catcher here.
76:44And would that be like Roman Wilson that people could be looking into?
76:48I think Roman Wilson is in line for a pretty good game here.
76:52Um, we do our, we do our bold predictions column.
76:55Uh, he's going to be my bold prediction this week.
76:57Uh, so the thing with Roman Wilson, still not a perfect player for sure.
77:02Aaron Rodgers still gets mad at him every few snaps.
77:05I actually don't know that his snap rate is going to go up in this game, Josh, because last time Michael Pittman
77:11was out, they just like Jeremy Bernard got that role.
77:14He's essentially, I think just going to kind of eventually replace like he'll replace Michael Pittman as long as he's gone or,
77:21and then probably my player from the rest of the way, like Pittman's just not been able to sustain a lot of momentum with this team.
77:29They're pretty samey in terms of archetype. So I think we'll see Jeremy Bernard play more, but Wilson has kind of been
77:35their designated shot player against man coverage. He averages 2.53 yards per route against man coverage, 10.9% first downs per route.
77:41Nobody else is even close to that. And, uh, you think about this Colts defense, they kind of gotten away from it,
77:48but at the same time, they are still seventh in man coverage rate.
77:52So if you picked up Roman Wilson off the waiver wire and you need a wide receiver three, you need a wide receiver kind of flex option.
78:00I think he's got a ceiling to chase here this week.
78:03Roman Wilson or Mike Kosicki? Who would you like to start more this week?
78:07Like to start is a interesting way of phrasing the question.
78:11Um, I think I would like to start Roman Wilson more.
78:14I think Roman Wilson comes through here. Okay. Right.
78:17Wow. I mean, neither of us are really Roman Wilson people.
78:20I remember coming out of Michigan. He was all, yeah, yeah, yeah.
78:24He was all, I'm going to line up on this side and then run this side of the field.
78:29And I'm going to line up from this side and run this side of the field.
78:34That's all I did with these crossing routes over and over and over again.
78:38I mean, that's kind of what he's doing here.
78:41What he's doing. He's running like a great, he's running out route, out routes and dig routes.
78:46He's running away from man coverage. And when, when Rogers likes the matchup pre snap, and he's going to like some of
78:52these matchups against this Colts team, he'll fling him the football.
78:56So yeah, by no means is he a perfect player.
78:59Um, but still he is beating man coverage on tape.
79:02Like his success rate versus man coverage in the games I've charted has been pretty good.
79:07Uh, but still he's one of these guys that gets hung up in zones lost and, and just not always in the
79:13right place at the right time, which is why he's always going to have a bit of a frosty relationship with Rogers.
79:20Uh, but still, so this could go wrong if he makes one fourth quarter mistake and or first quarter mistake and Rogers
79:26gets him out of there after four plays. But still, nevertheless, I do think Wilson is a viable play.
79:32Well, Gusecki is probably a little safer the more that I talk this out, but, um, let's go to the other side
79:38of the ball here with the Colts. What a discouraging offensive performance, uh, against the commanders.
79:43Uh, we talked about it where yes, they won that game and I still somehow came out of that game feeling worse about the Colts.
79:51They will likely get Tanner born a leanie back in this game, which is good.
79:55Cause, uh, they looked like a mess against the blitz in week four really disorganized up front.
80:00Just absolutely going back and reviewing the tape of that one.
80:04There were definitely some designed intermediate, which is about all the Colts can do at this point.
80:09Intermediate shot plays for this team that were just completely destroyed and taken off the field here.
80:14So how are you feeling about this Colts team, their offense at this point?
80:18Well, you can't feel any better than bad, you know, like the Colts are such a departure from where they were at the start of last season.
80:26In fact, Matt, this feels closer to the Phillip rivers led Colts.
80:30And it did the early season. Daniel Jones led Colts last year, you know, everything is just so close to the line of scrimmage.
80:37And it's for a lot of reasons. One, Daniel Jones does not look like the same form that he was.
80:43And that makes total sense coming off this Achilles.
80:45And then number two, you have no like legit field stretchers.
80:49I understand that Laquan Treadwell can sprint and so can Alec Pierce, but in terms of actually being, you know, a real
80:55targets and playing the position differently, like the level of threat is, is quite different between the two.
81:01And especially with Alec Pierce, like as the season went along, he was running more and more of those in breakers and
81:07they were hitting those shots and they just have nothing beyond that.
81:11So like Tyler Warren and his ADOT and where he's being targeted is so, you know, much closer to the line of scrimmage and Josh Downs.
81:19Yeah. And while Josh Downs is lining up more in two wide receiver sets and everyone got that right this summer, it's
81:25not like that's really equaling like needle moving fantasy output games either.
81:29So the Colts are just who they are. And if it's a Jonathan Taylor, you know, being a top two, three score
81:35every single week, then they have a chance. And if not, and this one might not, this might be an, if not
81:42game, then they're going to really struggle and look horrible.
81:45Yeah. We talked about Josh Downs last week. We're getting excited about like, oh man, he got to 70 yards and like,
81:51that's where, that's where it is in this offensive environment.
81:54Like this, if this is theoretically last year's Colts and you've got a 90% snap route player and Josh Downs playing in that, like that's a different version.
82:03But in this version that you can't really get too excited about that.
82:07So, I mean, yeah, I'll feel great if Josh Downs can get to 80 receiving yards in that will feel like a huge win.
82:14Cause I mean, even watching the tape back of the chiefs game, that like, that was a great game, a great offensive
82:20game plan where they get him against man coverage on these breaking routes.
82:24But that's it. Like 15 yards, max 15 yards, max.
82:27So you need to not have the offensive line blow plays up in Daniel Jones, dirt things back and forth.
82:33So it's just, just tough sledding for this team outside of when they can get under center and run with Jonathan Taylor,
82:40but their under center pass game is not great.
82:42Cause Daniel Jones can't move off of torn Achilles.
82:45Who could have seen that coming? Yeah. And what we saw with Daniel Jones last week and what we've seen lately is that he has a fumbling problem.
82:53And then you have TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith and like all these people playing off the edge and running off the edge and going for the football.
83:02Right. So like Daniel Jones has a ball security problem when he faces pressure, when he gets sacked.
83:07And I think that would get exploited here this week.
83:10Yeah. Not feeling great about where the Colts are at this point.
83:14Okay. Final game here. Browns at jets. I feel like Browns and jets usually would be just an easy, no one's games
83:20of the week, but these two teams have been better than we probably expect.
83:25Yeah. The record on the jets one and three Browns three and one, but there's a lot of young exciting players here
83:31on both sides of the ball from a jets perspective.
83:34Josh, I'm, I know we'll talk about Braylon Allen in the next segment, so we don't have to go too deep on
83:41him there, but I'm just kind of willing to throw out what we saw last week.
83:45Cause they ran 32 plays and they will not run 32 plays again this week.
83:50Totally agree with you. I will say the total for this game is at 39 and a half points.
83:56So it's not like the markets believe a lot of points will be scored and we might see longer drives here, but
84:02yeah, I mean, it's stunk when we saw Kenan city go off against the Detroit lions.
84:07Uh, and then he goes out and lays a goose egg and it kind of makes sense when again, they only run
84:1432 plays and then the screen that gets designed for him.
84:17And then the targets that go in his direction are tipped or incomplete and all that type of stuff.
84:22So I believe Adai Mitchell will still be ruled out for this game.
84:26So it's, it's, it's still a very condensed group of fantasy relevant players for us from Garrett Wilson to Braylon Allen to Kenan Sadiq on top of it.
84:35Matt, I feel like there's a lot to talk about here with the Browns.
84:39Unless you have anything left to say about the jets.
84:42I don't. So go ahead. Todd Monk is an awesome fricking coach.
84:45I mean, yeah. How he is already able to win games and went in the margins in these one score contests and
84:52in the fourth quarter to shows you how good Todd Monk is at his job in comparison to all these other teams
84:59that also go through changes along their roster, but maybe it's only one offensive lineman versus all five or one new wide
85:05receiver versus a whole new wide receiver room or, you know, a quarterback that has been the worst quarterback in the league over the last few years.
85:13And maybe you can get them to like the 23rd best quarterback this season.
85:17This is all coaching to me. And it's just Todd Monk and, you know, having this environment that breeds competitiveness and trust
85:24and just the willingness and understanding that, Hey, in these one score contests, I'm going to make the right decisions.
85:30And if you do one thing good, like break contain for Deshaun Watson, rushing for fourth downs or, you know, Denzel Boston,
85:37breaking one tackle and taking it to the house or the defense, you know, making one play on that side of the
85:43ball and shutting down a third or a fourth down conversion, then we're going to have a legit chance in the end.
85:50The Browns should not be as good as they are.
85:53And to me, it's all about the head coach that they picked.
85:56Totally agree. Really like what Todd Monk is doing.
85:59And the fact that, I mean, look at these four.
86:02I mean, we want to throw the two offensive linemen, the rookies that are starting this year, Barber and Fano, left tackle and right guard there.
86:10But look, look at the young players they have.
86:12Harold Fannin, Quinshon Judkins, Casey Concepcion, Denzel Boston. These guys are all hits to varying degrees here.
86:17The two receivers this year. I mean, they're just those are going to be their two guys for the long run.
86:24And they're both awesome. They've both been fantastic. Boston at this point.
86:27Is he just an every week fantasy wide receiver three?
86:30I would posit that he is. Yeah. I mean, I was going to ask you this because, you know, in the opening
86:37two weeks of the season when he was legit going off, he was probably in no one's lineups when he scored 13 and 18 fantasy points.
86:45Now, these last two weeks have not been as good as seven and 11.
86:49So people are kind of chasing those weeks one and two.
86:52But Matt, I know I'm starting him in leagues where, you know, I have Jalen Coker or T-Mac or whoever else in flex spots.
86:59And I feel pretty good about it. Like, this is one of the situations where I think you should feel pretty good
87:06about where the Browns are, even if they're only projected for 19 points.
87:10Uh, and I would say like the Deshaun Watson eye test has been worse than the box score, but sure.
87:16You know, it is what it is. Like Munkin is so good at designing shot plays to Denzel Boston or the layup
87:22stuff to Casey Concepcion that even the shot plays to Concepcion that haven't been there, I think will hit at some point this season too.
87:30Agree. Yeah. There's going to be meat left on the bone with where Watson is at this point, but it's functional.
87:36I think we can let it be that it's functional and that is a huge win for these pass catchers that they are getting functional quarterback play.
87:44Okay. We're going to take our final break of the show.
87:47We come back. We're taking your questions in the Toyota fantasy hotline.
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87:58Every week, we reach out to you guys, ask you one pivotal question heading into the slate of games.
88:04This week, we asked who you needed to step up in your running back to spot because Josh and I talked about this earlier.
88:11Like where does Will Shipley slot? It's between these guys that people actually drafted to be their running back twos.
88:17And there's a lot of running back twos that are not really working out right now.
88:22So with that, let's get let's let's slog through some of these names here.
88:26Josh, first one comes in from JSW Emmanuel Wilson.
88:29But I will pivot to Travian Henderson. If Ramondre Stevenson doesn't play, let's talk about both of these guys here.
88:35First of all, with Travian Henderson, interesting note about the Raiders.
88:38They have struggled a little bit when teams get into gap runs because they play all they play basically nickel to everything there.
88:45I think one or two in terms of nickel percentage on defense.
88:49So they can give up these gap scheme runs now the and it's less of like the explosive runs.
88:54It's actually they're a high success rate team, but they don't give up a lot of explosives.
88:59When you look at Travian Henderson, all he does is explosives, not success rate.
89:03So the Patriots run a lot of gap scheme stuff as well.
89:07So if there's no Ramondre Stevenson, can you trust Travian Henderson as a fantasy back?
89:12Yeah, you have to. I mean, I think Travian Henderson would rank as a top 12 running back if Ramondre Stevenson is out now.
89:19Oh, wow. Is that practice? And well, just from the fact of this is a unified backfield, if it's one person like
89:25and we saw Travian Henderson have the same issues last year, Matt.
89:29And when it was a unified backfield, he still there's enough juice in the tank for him to still be relevant and
89:35as a pass catcher on top of it. So I think that's your answer.
89:40But if the backfield is split, like if Ramondre does play, I am easy playing Emmanuel Wilson over this.
89:45Like I understand it's the 49ers on paper, but their defensive line has gotten beaten up here and there.
89:51The Seahawks are three point favorites here. Emmanuel Wilson shockingly got four targets last week and then two of them was were design screens.
89:58And then one was an escort screen on top of it.
90:01So like if George Holani is getting a little bit more phased out here and Emmanuel Wilson is getting up to like
90:0870% of snaps because Holani had some issues in pass protection last week.
90:12I'm not saying again, the juice is equal to what Travian Henderson brings the table, but Emmanuel Wilson is doing quite a
90:18good job of being a waiver wire fill in and owning a lot of the workload.
90:23Absolutely. And when I watched the Seahawks run game, I think it looks really sound and well designed and it's just they
90:30need a back to execute and that's about what you can expect from Emmanuel Wilson is just execute the assignment.
90:36So yeah, I'll probably rank him as a top 20 option this week.
90:40I also kind of like them mixing Rashid Shaheed in a little bit as a runner.
90:44They ran that toss to him for the 20 yard touchdown against the Chargers.
90:49That was cool to see, but obviously that that slices a little bit away from Emmanuel Wilson, but still they need enough
90:55of a true traditional run game to continue to give him a lot of work.
91:00I would probably take the over on 18 touches here for that we're showing on the screen and the projections, which if
91:06you're getting over 18 touches in an offense, that's good.
91:09That's the guy you're starting in fantasy. Okay. Next one comes in from Kellogg Braylon Allen tease this earlier.
91:15I love just the simple name. No explanation. Just just simple name Braylon Allen.
91:19Yeah, I think it's a great call. He got every single running back touch last week, Josh.
91:24They just were barely on the football field. It's that simple.
91:27I'm sure Isaiah Davis would have gotten more if they ran, you know, 45 plays instead of 32 plays, but you know,
91:34Braylon Allen 100% of the back throw touches. And as Michael F.
91:38Florio points out 94% of snaps. Yeah. I mean, Braylon Allen's a top 16 back this week.
91:43The Cleveland Browns defense is awesome. I believe it's Rutenberg is our defensive coordinator.
91:47He comes from working with Jeff Ulbrich last year.
91:50When you watch these defenses, they play in a very similar style in terms of flying along the field and hitting hard and all that type of stuff.
91:58But yes, Braylon Allen is another one of these where, hey, any back that gets 80 to 85% of the work always
92:04has a chance of falling into the end zone.
92:07And Braylon Allen is up there. That's for sure.
92:10Where is he on the falling into the end zone between farting into the end zone?
92:15David Montgomery scale there for you, Josh. It kind of depends on if I like the player or not, if it's falling or farting.
92:22That's the difference between those two words. Cool. We'll keep a tab on that throughout the course of the season.
92:28But yeah, no, I agree with you on Braylon Allen.
92:31I have him on teams. I'm going to be starting him once again this week and feeling pretty good about it.
92:37Yeah. No Mason Graham potentially in this game too, most likely.
92:40So that's another one here. Okay. Next one comes in from DC tour sauce.
92:44Chuba Hubbard is on pie. Travis HN is on IR.
92:47Jalen Wright, you are my only hope. Oh boy.
92:50What do we think about the Dolphins running back split?
92:53You can rope in Ollie Gordon here as well.
92:56Well, the thing that no one talked about is Jalen Wright actually started this game last week against the Minnesota Vikings.
93:02Like he was the one that was out there for the first series.
93:06So I guess that's kind of on my radar.
93:09And if he does that again, even after what Ollie Gordon did in terms of the two explosive runs and all that
93:15type of stuff, I would guess not. I would assume Ollie Gordon is back and or I should say emerging as the lead ball carrier for this team.
93:24But yeah, I mean, again, I don't want to use the same phrases that we talked about last week, but if Devon
93:30HN isn't hitting explosives, then how can you expect consistently both of these guys to do this?
93:35But Matt, like I talked about on the Sunday morning start sit show, like, Hey, the, the, the biggest sign that Ollie
93:42Gordon was going to do something in week four was that the entire fancy football world said that he wasn't.
93:48So we're doing that again though, this week. Well, I don't know.
93:51There were enough people, uh, victory lapping Ollie Gordon on Twitter.
93:55I saw on Sunday, like a lot of bad advice, but the Ollie Gordon waiver bid.
93:59So there's enough, uh, people out there supporting him.
94:02Maybe that will be good, but yeah, I like, I like Ollie Gordon as a player.
94:07Um, I probably, honestly, I probably like him better as a runner than Jalen Wright.
94:11Uh, but at the same time, this matchup, this matchup against the Bengals will be tricky just because you've typically been able
94:18to beat the Bengals with these perimeter runs. I don't know if that's going to consistently be available for this Dolphins team,
94:25but they do have a big mauling offensive line.
94:27So potentially that could work in their favor. Yeah.
94:30Only note on that is the opposition. When Dexter Lawrence goes off the field, tend to go and hurry up and no huddle to keep Dexter Lawrence off.
94:38Keep him off. Um, yes, keep, keep him off.
94:41And I believe Chris Rodriguez touchdown run last week was when Dexter Lawrence was off the field.
94:46So yeah, he, he is such a pivotal piece, uh, to that defensive line on off splits are outrageous with him on and off the field right now.
94:54All it takes is one play, uh, in fantasy football.
94:57There you go. Okay. Nelson sends in. Sadly, it may have to be Will Shipley.
95:02I already have Brees Hall out and may also be without Ramondre.
95:05So it may come down to Kyron and Shipley as my running backs.
95:09Well, look at it this way, Nelson Kyron right now with double digit targets and leading the NFL and air yards per
95:16target by a decent bit 4.0 air yards per target, by the way, for Kyron Williams.
95:21Okay. Um, leading all running backs. He might score you enough points on his own that if Will Shipley can just get
95:27you five, six, maybe you're good enough. Yep. Matt, I don't want to steal the microphone here or hawk the spotlight.
95:33Um, I am in a worse running back situation than all of these people in the expert league.
95:39Um, I am most likely going to have to start Woody Marks and like maybe Blake Corum in that league because I have.
95:46Yeah. One of our, uh, Chris, Chris Kianci. I, uh, one of the, one of the folks here did send in Woody Marks.
95:53So there is at least another person considering Woody Marks.
95:56We're going to have to start both of them.
95:58Yes, Matt, because I have my three running backs in that league are Ken Walker, Bree Saul and Saquon Barkley.
96:04So I have nothing like I'm already waving the white flag.
96:08I almost pulled everyone out of my starting lineup and just let my opposition, uh, have the victory this week.
96:14That's kind of the state of denial. I am at with, uh, the running back spot.
96:18Who are you, who are you playing this week?
96:21Chris Allen. Chris Allen. I think, I think I'm playing Chris Allen.
96:25Maybe Ray. He doesn't need it. He doesn't need to win.
96:28Oh, you, if it's Ray, you, you have to try against Ray.
96:31Okay. You gotta, you gotta try. Also, you should know this.
96:35You have to try against Ray. Cause I do the recap show with Ray.
96:39So I can't, I can't have you waving the white flag.
96:42If you're playing Ray. Um, yeah, no, you should, are you openly admitting on the show right now that you're not taking
96:49the, the expert seriously that you're not locked in?
96:51I I'm playing Chris, by the way, I am the one that's playing Chris.
96:56So maybe it's Ray. Maybe it's Ray. I'm looking, I'm looking at it right now.
97:00Yes, it's Ray. It's Ray. You can't, you cannot concede a win to Ray.
97:04Also Ray's team's pretty bad. So you might be able to actually just wave the white flag and still accidentally.
97:10It seems a lot better than mine this week.
97:13It seems a lot better than mine this week.
97:16Yeah. Yeah. God, your team does. Your team stinks.
97:18Wow. That's pretty bad. Okay. Anyways. Yeah. He has B.
97:21John. You might outscore your entire team just with B.
97:24John. Considering that running by position. That's pretty brutal right there.
97:28Okay. Um, yeah, Josh, what about Woody Marks? So, cause again, Chris did ask, we are talking about the people here, not just you.
97:35Yes. But what's the logic on Woody Marks? Besides, uh, as Chris says, okay, submission, pray for me.
97:40So you're praying. Chris is praying. We're all praying for Woody Marks to, to, to have a day.
97:45One David Montgomery is washed. Okay. After that week one, he's been abysmal over these last three weeks.
97:51Now you can attach some of that to the offensive line.
97:54However, they are seven and a half point favorites in this game.
97:58I don't think Nick Caley is going to just totally abandon the run as we talked about before.
98:03Uh, and it's already a series by series rotation.
98:06And so what we have seen with Woody Marks over the last two weeks is he scored his touchdowns in the series that he is on the field.
98:14So again, this is like the environment versus the last few that the, I mean, cause they haven't won a game, but
98:21the Texans should get their first win of the season.
98:24And if that's the case, then we get some running back work.
98:27And it wouldn't shock me at all, Matt, if we get to a point in a couple of weeks that Woody Marks
98:34is the first one on the field over David Montgomery.
98:37Oh, you can tell they've wanted to do it.
98:40They keep leaking out. Like we want to split this back foot up.
98:43We want to split this back foot up. I just think Woody Marks hasn't quite done enough to grab the job, but
98:50if he had, he would, he would be starting over David Montgomery.
98:54I'm, I'm pretty convinced, uh, on that one. So pretty sick trade there for the David Montgomery stuff at this point.
99:00Yeah. We talked about Will Shipley earlier. I don't know.
99:03Not feeling great about Don Tavian Wicks was, by the way, was added to the injury report, the hamstring injury as we were taping this show.
99:11So, um, that's all three of the top Eagles receivers that at one point this year have dealt with hamstring injuries.
99:17Don't know what's going on in that room. Not feeling great about that team scoring a lot of points.
99:23So Will Shipley will have to be a PPR scam if he is going to work out here.
99:28Next one comes in from Dom. By the way, I hear your, is that your son crying in the background?
99:34Hearing the state of your fantasy team, Josh, you, you've brought your child to tears.
99:38That's a, that's how bad. Wow. I was meaner than what you said about him.
99:43He's no, no, no. He's, he's catching up on the show and he's at the point that they showed the Eckler interview.
99:49So, you know what? That, that would bring, I mean, that almost brought me to tears.
99:54So I'm with him on that one. Okay. Next one comes in from Dom has, I have a hole at running back
100:01two because I drafted Bowers and needed. Okay. Well now you're just bragging about your team.
100:06They need Keaton Mitchell, uh, to be there running back too.
100:09Well, that's great. You got a great receiver core.
100:12You got Brock Bowers. How are you feeling about starting Keaton Mitchell at the running back two spot this week?
100:17Josh. So I understand some of the underlying metrics and in your underlying metrics league, he might be on the rise because
100:24he had 45% of the backfield touches last week.
100:27But Matt, I just don't think it's going to get to a point with even how bad Omar and Hampton has been.
100:33And I mean, the state of the charters offensive line this week is truly players have never heard of starting along the
100:40offensive line at left tackle and right tackle. So bad.
100:43Um, I, I, I don't think Mike McDaniel is ever going to build his rushing offense around Keaton Mitchell.
100:49Um, you know, he's, he's more of like a glorified role player and like a role player plus, and there's nothing wrong with that on a good team.
100:57He would be getting more points, but I just highly doubt we're going to get to a point with him getting, you
101:03know, 60% of the work and it might get its peak at like 55%.
101:08Yeah, I think that's right. Okay. Next one comes in from Gail going with a Marian Hampton, who yes, now is in
101:14the running back to zone and Brian Robinson Jr.
101:17Unless Saquon has a miracle recovery, he will not.
101:20So you know what the deal is with Hampton at this point.
101:23I want to ask you about Brian Robinson. Do you think how much standalone value do you believe that Brian Robinson Jr.
101:30Has at this point? In teams that they're going to beat up on.
101:34I think the standalone value is actually legitimate. Um, I've been comparing him to maybe this year's version of common guy.
101:40As we saw last year, it kind of was two series to one series.
101:44And then depending again on the drive, when they scored touchdowns, that's where Brian Robinson comes in.
101:49I mean, think about it, Matt. If, if we were in an alternate universe where Kevin Stefanski only wanted one running back to get the ball, like B.
101:58John Robinson would have had five Russians touchdowns on Monday night football.
102:01Like that would have been outrageous, but again, he stuck with what he has here.
102:06And Brian Robinson is a perfectly solid running back to.
102:09And again, like, I don't think that the Falcons are going to score 40 points every single week.
102:14I'm going on a ledge and saying that. And again, they're only projected for 23 and a half this week.
102:20So this is a good test of it. But when we get to these conversations of, Hey, the wide receiver 34 or
102:27this running back to like Brian Robinson might be the running back 20 on the week heading into the season.
102:32That, that, that is, that is not shocking to me.
102:35And for a team that loves to run the ball inside the five yard line, there's a solid chance of a rushing score every single week.
102:43I have a dynasty team and it's a, it's a good team.
102:47It competes every year, but I have never been able to figure out this running back to spot.
102:52Just it's never a Chris McCaffrey is running back one.
102:55So I'm on a ticking time bomb with that one there too.
102:59But I have kept trying to hit on something at running back to Jonathan Brooks was hoping this was going to be his little bounce back year.
103:07That's not happening. Picked up Marshawn load off the waiver wire.
103:10That's not happening. Jonah Coleman drafted it on IR.
103:13The guy that was my running back to for a while when he was the starting running back for the commanders.
103:19And then I couldn't use him last year. It was Brian Robinson.
103:23I think I'm back to Brian Robinson as the running back to in, in this league.
103:27Cause again, if you've just hit chaos at that spot, you're basically hunting a touchdown.
103:32But with the way this team is moving the football right now on the ground, I think you can hunt the touchdown with Brian Robinson.
103:39And so weirdly again, I can't, I mean, when we're talking about these guys like Shipley and Jalen Wright and Woody Morris,
103:46I feel much better about chasing that with Brian Robinson right now.
103:50Yeah. Look, you don't want to play Brian Robinson when the team is underdogs, when they're projected for 21 ish points, but a game.
103:57And even here, it's kind of low 23 and a half, but there'll be others when, you know, the Falcons, like when
104:03they play the saints again, that'll be up to 25, 26.
104:07Brian Robinson is a perfectly fine flex or even running back to in a pinch.
104:11Last one. I want to get you on here just cause we got some news on this before we get out of here.
104:18The one and only was somebody at camp. Scadaboo nursing a sore shoulder, splitting goal and opportunities, but also Kyle Manunga.
104:24It was one of their players here, nursing a sore thumb.
104:27Turns out common guy, according to Jeremy Fowler is dealing with a turf toe injury, placing uncertainty around his availability over the next one to two weeks.
104:36He got a lot of work in a week for a guy that yeah, 30 carries for a guy that's not dealing with turf toe.
104:43So that is definitely a problematic injury there for the Chicago bears.
104:47It absolutely is. And his finger, his thumb was pointed in the opposite direction.
104:51I don't know if you saw that during that game too.
104:54This is oddly worded in that uncertainty of his availability of the next one to two weeks.
104:59And he's hoping to play through it. So unfortunately, it's one of those situations, Matt, that as we get to these injuries
105:06and these bye weeks, like if he suited up and active, you can play common guy.
105:10But then one, you can't expect him to get 30 touches.
105:14But two, if there's a bit of an issue, you know, the turf toe flares up or the thumb injury flares up,
105:20whatever, then you might see an even more decreased snap count versus the 50 50 as we were seeing before.
105:26So I'm kind of a little bit nervous that this might be like running back version of DJ Moore and Lad McConkie
105:33of the frustrations of, hey, he's starting. So you have to start him.
105:37And yet he then only goes on to play like 30% snaps.
105:40Yeah, I share those concerns. And let's hope that Ben Johnson, DeAndre Swift, after Ben Johnson called his fumble egregious, let's hope
105:47they can make up during this week so that DeAndre Swift can get a bunch of work once again.
105:53Okay, you guys got a lineup dilemma, trade debate or league controversy.
105:56The fantasy hotline is open all season long. So send us your toughest questions and we might just feature them in an upcoming episode.
106:03And that is going to do it for us today.
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106:16And Josh, shout out to you, buddy. We will not see you on Sunday morning.
106:21You have a real life event to do. So you will be out on Sunday morning.
106:25However, definitely still check out Fantasy Football Live in the morning with me, Boone.
106:30Hayden is going to be doing the Q&A segment.
106:32And then, Josh, you're back in action for what many people are saying is the best recap show out there right now with you, me and Hayden.
106:40It's been great. You've been a fantastic addition to that.
106:43So the flow is fantastic. And we hit on every single fantasy relevant player for all of you.
106:49So you can watch Red Zone. And then, oh my gosh, this isn't even the worst.
106:53I was going to say, this is a nothing burger.
106:56I mean, yeah, there's some worst ones in college.
106:59This is a nothing burger. This is a nice picture of Josh.
107:03Josh, isn't this your Twitter profile picture that they're showing here right now?
107:07That was a different view. That was a little bit better.
107:10I'm not sure why I picked that shirt. I think that I was hungover during this photo shoot, if we're just being fully honest.
107:17I'm glad you had a good time. I think you look handsome here.
107:21Okay. I just want to say, I think you look nice.
107:24I think you look handsome. You don't have like a weird, rustic looking beard.
107:28I think you look handsome. You know, that after I shaved it and trimmed it down to this, my wife was like, thank God.
107:36I did. I was not. I thought the fantasy hipsters was back in like 2018, but you carried it.
107:41So 2022, it looked like post COVID. I kind of had a little bit of a let's bring the long beard back.
107:48And it was a bad idea. We all made some mistakes during that period, you know, and now we're all, we're all, we're all back.
107:55Well, we're mostly back on track. Okay. We're mostly back on track.
107:59All right. I'm feeling pretty good. Josh is feeling pretty good.
108:02I love doing the recap show with Josh and love the Sunday mornings as well.
108:07So make sure you guys tune in for those shows.
108:10Absolutely electric content. We will see you guys all on Sunday for the best recap show that you could possibly find out there until then we are out.

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