0:00Alright, big show for you here today. It is the Week 5 Sunday Recap.
0:04Man, what a wild Sunday it was. It started all the way this morning over there across the pond.
0:10Jags Eagles gave us a wild one. It started off crazy right away.
0:14It did not let up. That was an insane game.
0:17We talked through that and everything else you need to know with Josh and Hayden for the full recap show.
0:22Plus, I start us off with a solo Sunday Night Football recap.
0:26Ravens, Falcons, give us a pretty exciting one with some big time performances.
0:30from some big time players. Derek Henry scores on a screen pass.
0:33Talk about that for about five minutes. Derek Henry is awesome.
0:37Drake London is also awesome. B. John Robinson, also awesome.
0:40But an injury concern with Michael Penixter. So we talked through all of that.
0:44Then it's the full recap show with me, Josh and Hayden.
0:47All right, big show. All that and more coming up with today's show.
0:51Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:54Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Nightcap. And it is a hell of a night to talk ball.
0:59Week 5. A long one. All right. We started all the way over there in London with a wild game.
1:05A four penalty start to the game of the slate of games.
1:09Two players ejected. It took us all the way here to just about Monday midnight on the East Coast with a Sunday Night Football game.
1:16That's a great game that we're going to talk about the game that we're going to talk about the game.
1:22We're going to talk through here. Ravens 30, Falcons 23.
1:25This one was fun. It was interesting. It was wild.
1:28And it featured an ending that was truly, truly beyond parody.
1:31I will get to the full game breakdown. But I mean, how can it end?
1:36How can it end with a Tua interception like that?
1:39Michael Penix gets hurt late in the game, takes a shot to the ribs.
1:43He's getting checked out the whole deal. And then we get to a we get to at the end of the game.
1:49And he throws just a backbreaking interception to Kyle Hamilton.
1:52I've I've I got to watch like the all 22, I guess a whole different angle, whatever.
1:57But how does he not see Kyle Hamilton? It looks like his eyes are on Kyle Hamilton the entire way into a throws the interception to number 14.
2:06Like the best player on the defense. One of the best players in the NFL to you can't make that throw of
2:12all the throws at right is Mike Trico saying they've played four quarterbacks in the first five weeks.
2:18Boom to an interception walk off the field. Terrible stuff.
2:21Okay, now let's actually talk about the game now that we've just done through that misery here.
2:26That sadness. Let's talk about the actual football game here.
2:29We'll start with the Ravens because they won this contest.
2:31The Ravens win the game improve. Continue rolling here with Snoop Huntley backup quarterback in for Lamar Jackson.
2:37Really interesting game for a lot of different reasons here on the Ravens side of things.
2:42I think you felt I mean you felt a lot here tonight, but you really felt I think the Declan Doyle impact
2:48here the Ravens brute four and one and this was a pretty clean game all things considered from Tyler Huntley right like
2:55we've seen Tyler Huntley come in here and it's basically just a hey can you scramble around and make things happen for
3:01this Ravens backup quarterback when he's in the game.
3:04That is not what happened here. It's six carries 20 yards a touchdown.
3:08The sneak in overtime to get the win for the Ravens.
3:11Tyler Huntley gets it there. And I mean that really wasn't the big factor his legs here.
3:16I thought Tyler Huntley. He definitely scrambled around. There's no question the mobility helped him, but it was more so scrambling to
3:22reset to throw down the football field to guys like Zay Flowers to guys like Rashad Bateman.
3:27I mean my God, by the way, this game was like catnip for me Rashad Bateman and Jahan Dotson making pretty big
3:34plays in overtime in clutch and clutch clutch situations.
3:37Rashad Bateman, Jahan Dotson. What world are we in?
3:39What world are we in when these guys are getting it done?
3:43By the way, Zay Flowers, nine targets, eight catches, 53 yards.
3:46He actually should have had another catch a 23 yarder, but there was pass interference on the play and the Ravens accepted
3:53the pass interference, which wiped off the Zay Flowers penalty or wiped off the Zay Flowers reception there.
3:58So for those of us, myself included, who have Zay Flowers on our fantasy teams, pretty backbreaking little development on that one.
4:04But I understand it strategically for the Baltimore Ravens as they marched down the football field.
4:09But, you know, again, Tyler Huntley, I thought he was smart, decisive, pretty clean tonight.
4:14Even Rashad Bateman actually did make a couple of mistakes.
4:16Like he had a false start on a play where they're just trying to set up for the field goal at one point late in the first half.
4:25So it wasn't even a perfectly clean night for Rashad Bateman, but he did have his moments here.
4:30Five catches for 62 yards. Again, just contributing to the team.
4:33You know, I'm not going to sit here and do any fantasy analysis on Rashad Bateman, but, you know, my therapist doesn't
4:40even want me to talk about him. And yet here we are.
4:43We're talking about Rashad Bateman because he did make some plays for this team.
4:48And, you know, you saw it again tonight. Like, again, the Declan Doyle effect, getting them on the move, getting these guys in all different formations.
4:55At one point, they actually have Bateman as one of the slot receivers.
4:59And he just has used a clear out space where Zay Flowers runs the slant for the first down on third down.
5:06That was pretty tremendous for the design of the offense.
5:09Again, I think Declan Doyle's just crushed it this year.
5:12So this was a big feather in his cap.
5:14Probably not going to be a member of the Baltimore Ravens very long if I had to guess.
5:19Declan Doyle might be a head coach this time next year.
5:23Declan Doyle, Chargers head coach. Hmm. Maybe people are saying that.
5:26I don't know. But regardless, pretty solid night for Tyler Huntley in the passing game.
5:30Probably the only low light was the Mark Andrews night tonight.
5:34I'm not going to sit here and pile on the guy.
5:37Obviously, Twitter has certainly done that. But it was a rough night for Mark Andrews.
5:41Six targets, four catches, 28 yards. Doesn't really show you exactly how bad it was for Mark Andrews.
5:47At one point in this game, it's like multiple drops, drops, touchdowns, fumbles returned for a touchdown.
5:52Meanwhile, Isaiah likely was balling today for the Baltimore or for the New York Giants.
5:56There's a slip on that one. And I think likely was probably done with the Ravens.
6:01I think he wanted to move on. But, you know, just that contract extension and likely moving on looks pretty bad.
6:07I don't even think it looks bad in hindsight.
6:10I think at the time it was a curious decision for Baltimore.
6:13So that one looks pretty poor. But otherwise, yeah, it was a nice night for the Baltimore Ravens passing game.
6:19But really, I'm bearing the lead here. Derrick Henry, 24 carries, 102 yards.
6:23And most critically, one catch for 18 yards and a touchdown.
6:26I have followed Derrick Henry's career. Obviously, his entire time in the NFL.
6:30One of my favorite players ever. Period. End of story.
6:33On and off the field. Great guy. Love Derrick.
6:36But it has mystified me that he has had all of these different play callers.
6:40Some of them, some of them have not been bozos either.
6:44And yet, no one has just like wanted to throw this guy one to two screen passes per game.
6:49And like, let's just see what happens. Well, that is exactly what my guy Declan Doyle has been doing here for Derrick Henry this year.
6:57And again, in a night where he does not score a rushing touchdown, which is shocking because Derrick Henry has scored seven rushing touchdowns coming into tonight.
7:05He gets the screen pass touchdown because you get him into the open space.
7:09He's still bigger, faster, stronger than most other human beings out there.
7:12He pops into the end zone and just gets it going here.
7:16Yeah, I saw a viral tweet going around last week where it's like, Claude can basically do anything, literally anything for you.
7:22Well, Claude can't stop Derrick Henry when he gets into the open space through the sea gap.
7:27And that's when you just pop the screen pass to him out there.
7:31It just makes no sense why no team wanted to do that for him at this point.
7:36So, yeah, man, you got to love to see Derrick Henry getting that passing game usage.
7:41Justice Hill also ripped off a few explosive plays tonight.
7:44Four carries for 73 yards. He had some nice runs as well, in addition to being a factor on passing downs as he always is.
7:51So, yeah, Derrick Henry would be a first round fantasy pick if we redrafted today.
7:56I can't wait to do this again next summer where people, ah, you know, he's older.
8:00Is this time? Is it time to slow down?
8:03Well, it hasn't been time to slow down just yet.
8:06Most games with 100 plus yards on the ground and a touchdown all time.
8:10Emmitt Smith, 59. Walter Payton, 49. Jim Brown, 45.
8:13Barry Sanders, 45. Derrick Henry, 44. LaDainian Tomlinson, 44.
8:16You know what all of those guys have in common except Derrick Henry?
8:19They are currently enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame on a day.
8:23I don't know. I want to say in the not too distant future.
8:27And yet Derrick Henry at this point, not showing any signs of slowing down.
8:31Maybe it will be in the long distant future for many years from now when Derrick Henry decides to retire because he can't do it anymore.
8:39And then five years after that, Derrick Henry will also join those guys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because he
8:46is one of the best players again of this era.
8:49Absolute superstar. Still one of the best players in fantasy football as well.
8:52So love to see that. This offense in Baltimore is really well designed.
8:56And I love that they took advantage of some of Atlanta's weaknesses.
9:00I think the Falcons defense is feisty. They've gotten a lot out of their front.
9:04They put pressure on quarterbacks, but they do have issues in the secondary.
9:08They have a lot of injuries on the back end.
9:11And I love the Snoop Huntley when he's driving down the field on some of those Rashad Bateman passes.
9:17Then they just get an isolated look to Devontae Walker in the red zone inside the goal line.
9:22They throw him a touchdown there on a back shoulder right as a backup cornerback is coming in.
9:27So that's good work by the play caller to say, hey, we've got a matchup advantage there with our big athletic depth
9:34piece, but big athletic X receiver on a DB that's just coming in here as a reserve.
9:39Let's target that guy. Let's get a touchdown here.
9:42We love that for the Ravens offense. I've been really impressed by this unit so far.
9:46Zay Flowers. Nice, you know. Floor performance tonight. I'm sure this is going to bring down the yards per route run.
9:53Just 53 yards on nine targets. Who cares? Once Lamar gets back in there, he's going to get back to cooking.
9:59There was at least a drop that Flowers had tonight as well, but there are also missed opportunities if we're calling balls
10:05and strikes on this one as well. So look, it's a big night for this Ravens offense.
10:10They escape at the win here because flipping it over to the Falcon side.
10:14I know it ends super disgustingly with the Tua Tunga-Vailoa interception in overtime.
10:18But this was once again a really promising night for the Atlanta Falcons offense.
10:22You don't get the win here. That's going to sting.
10:25That's disappointing because you have to look at the NFC South and think this thing is up for grabs right now if you're the Atlanta Falcons.
10:33Why not you guys? I know you dug yourselves into a hole a little bit, but at the same time, if you'd
10:40won this game, you'd really be feeling good. And why not?
10:43Because other than again, we come out of this game with a Michael Penix injury situation to monitor.
10:48He took a shot, the ribs, the whole deal.
10:51But otherwise, this offense once again looks like a unit that can hang with people.
10:55I remain consistently impressed by what B. John Robinson does.
10:58To use an old Andy Barron's term, shout out to Andy, just a cartoonishly good game from B.
11:04John Robinson. While he only has 17 carries for 86 yards for 32 through the air, I mean, he's just so unbelievable to watch.
11:11He just makes something out of nothing. He hits the small creases.
11:14He gets the big plays. He's the best running back in the NFL to me, period, end of story.
11:20You know, Derek Henry, the aforementioned, even said that going into this game.
11:24B. John's unbelievably good. He's electric in all phases.
11:26He's the center point of their offense. Like without him, they would be completely, completely banged.
11:31And that's all while acknowledging that Brian Robinson is one of the better number two running backs in the NFL.
11:37Now, to that point, if you started Brian Robinson because you've been chasing some of those touchdowns over the last few weeks,
11:43you only come away here with 16 scoreless yards.
11:46Obviously, that's going to sting if it was in your running back two spot, even your flex.
11:51You don't love that. Nevertheless, I still think Brian Robinson is one of the best bench holds.
11:56And in the right game scripts, if you have to, you know, kind of a what the heck flex situation, you can
12:03chase some of those touchdowns because this is still a really good rushing unit overall.
12:07Now, the Ravens run defense, I think, is still a better unit than its pass defense, specifically the pass rush, because there
12:14were a lot of times where Michael Penix was just able to sit back in the pocket and find open receivers on third down.
12:21Specifically, the guy that he was finding quite often was Drake London, who once again comes away with 11 targets, seven catches, 118 yards.
12:28And man, so many of those came on third down.
12:31Drake London was just so good in this game tonight.
12:34He's been so good ever since Michael Penix took the thing over here.
12:38I would he's not the best receiver in the NFL, right?
12:41Obviously, if we're going to sit down and rank players, you know, he wouldn't be there.
12:46I would still posit that he might be my favorite receiver to watch in the NFL.
12:50Drake London, because he's so good at basically every part of the game except running fast in a straight line.
12:56Right. We covered this with the Packers game where he got caught from behind a few times.
13:01Yeah, he's slow. Who cares? OK, who cares? Because he's still able to go out there and get the seven catches, 118 yards.
13:08I mentioned the third down production. You have 43 percent target share on third down tonight from Michael Penix.
13:14Five catches, 86 yards. You wish he got a touchdown here.
13:17That's being a little bit greedy considering how dominant he was in this game tonight.
13:21I mean, everybody in the freaking stadium knows where the ball is going.
13:25They know it's going to number five and they still can't stop it on the critical down and distance situation.
13:31So you love to see that with Drake London.
13:34He's just all over the place on third down.
13:36He was in the slot on 58 percent of his snaps here.
13:40They're doing so much to manufacture the space and the room for him.
13:44Jahan Dotson, who I mentioned, you know, had some moments here tonight.
13:47He had a big 36 yard catch on third down as well.
13:51So it wasn't just Drake London. Two catches, 53 yards overall for Jahan Dotson.
13:55But the stat we have on the screen here right now just really shows one of the things I love about the Penix to Drake London connection.
14:03Outbreaking routes. So on out and corner routes among all wide receivers since 2024, according to fantasy points data, this excludes tonight's game.
14:10Obviously, 2.4 targets per game. That's first among all wide receivers since 2024.
14:1418.2 yards per game. That second total of 78 targets for 601 yards in 33 games.
14:18He's top three in both of the yards and the total yards and total targets just behind guys like Amon Ross St.
14:25Brown, Jamar Chase and the targets. And then it's Amon Ross St.
14:29Brown, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Drake London in the yards.
14:3233 games. Those guys have all played full seasons, essentially.
14:34So that just goes to show you how impressive Drake London has been.
14:38Yeah. Mr. Canice guy in the chat. Jamar Chase is the best wide receiver in the NFL and my favorite to watch.
14:45Totally get it. I think if we're ranking NFL receivers, perfectly fine to have chase number one.
14:50I think Jefferson and Jackson Smith and Jigba are probably two, three somewhere in that order.
14:55I think I shoot. I can even say Justin Jefferson's the best in the NFL.
14:59I think, you know, Pukanuku obviously belongs to conversation.
15:02But Drake London comes up not long after those guys.
15:05If we're talking about tier two NFL receiver, CeeDee Lamb, of course, deserves mention there.
15:09But I probably if we're being honest, I probably love Drake London as a player because he's just another one of these
15:16big wide receivers that people think can't separate. And yet he's open all the time, finds the soft spots in zone on third down.
15:23When we know that man coverage rates go up, he's still able to snap off those out cuts, the corner routes deep
15:29down the football field, even though he's slow. So love Drake London for that reason.
15:34Second round pick. Great second round pick this year.
15:36It was totally justified to be concerned about the quarterback and the offensive environment this year.
15:41But Penix has come back and played way better than I think anybody was expecting here.
15:4619 to 32 for Michael Penix, 240 yards and a touchdown.
15:49Not again, not a perfectly clean game from him.
15:52He's going to spray some throws every now and again when he gets knocked off his spot.
15:57It's a little bit of an up and down journey.
16:00The broadcast is talking about it tonight. He still doesn't look totally, totally confident in the knee and when he's on the move and everything like that.
16:08But nevertheless, I still think Penix has come in here and played much better than anybody would have expected.
16:13And his connection with Drake London is just on point.
16:16So yeah, great stuff from the Falcons passing game there.
16:19You just have to wonder if Penix is able to complete the game.
16:23And we'll obviously keep an eye on his health status here.
16:26We, you know, we'll see what happens on that one.
16:29But you just have to wonder if he was able to complete the game.
16:33Could the Ravens have lost this one to the Falcons?
16:36Could the Falcons have gone down? Maybe even just tied it.
16:40Probably. I mean, God, I don't know that we need two ties in one Sunday.
16:44I personally don't find that appealing. But shoot, it probably could have happened here because that's how good this Falcons passing offense
16:51was looking against a really nice Ravens pass defense from a secondary perspective overall.
16:55Although they don't think they totally have all the horses that they need from a pass rush standpoint to be one of the top defenses in the league.
17:03So we will definitely continue to monitor the Michael Penix health situation.
17:07Oh, one last thing before we leave this one behind.
17:09Five catches, 42 yards and a touchdown for Kyle Pitts.
17:12Kyle Pitts for calling balls and strikes had a couple of nice catches in this one.
17:17A couple of nice little moments for his team.
17:20I'm not 100% convinced, though, that that touchdown was totally supposed to go to Kyle Pitts.
17:25I think it probably was. But it sure felt like it went through two or three guys' hands to get to Kyle Pitts, though.
17:32So he scores his first touchdown of the year.
17:34Good to see if you had to start Kyle Pitts.
17:37I had to desperation start him in a couple of spots.
17:41So, you know, what can you do on that one?
17:44At least it's kind of trending in the right-ish direction for Kyle Pitts these last two weeks.
17:49After it was pretty much a disaster. Obviously, it was a disaster for everybody in the Cooper Rush era.
17:54But even in Penix's first game back, it didn't go so great for Kyle Pitts.
17:59But it's at least been okay these last couple of weeks.
18:02Even if I'm not sure if that touchdown was totally designed for him.
18:06So, big night for Derrick Henry. Big night for Drake London.
18:09Bijan Robinson, one of the best football players on the planet.
18:12And the Ravens are able to scratch out a win here on Sunday Night Football.
18:17To put a cherry on top of one of the more wild weeks of the NFL season.
18:22We're going to have a full recap show here for you guys on the channel.
18:26So, definitely make sure you check out that one with me, Josh, and Hayden.
18:30But for now, that's all from me. I'll catch you guys in the next one.
18:35All right. That's the Sunday Night Football recap. Now, on to the rest of the Week 5 recap show with Josh, Hayden, and me.
18:42Let's get into it. Another week in the books.
18:44I know you all went undefeated because you watched this channel.
18:48And you watch Matt Harmon over on the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast as well.
18:52You went undefeated, but the NFL didn't. Certainly at large.
18:54We had some, I mean, major, major coaching moments to go through.
18:58And maybe most importantly, some breakthrough offenses that we rightfully doubted over the first three or four weeks of the season.
19:04Gap back on track. This is your game-by-game recap show brought to you by Farmers Insurance and Hayden.
19:10Let's start off with one of those teams. The defending AFC champion, New England Patriots, post 45 points on the Las Vegas Raiders.
19:16Win 45-17. Headliner, Drake Maye, four touchdown passes. Kyle Williams, one.
19:20Demario Douglas, two. Are we all the way back?
19:22This felt like last year's Drake May offense where everything was down the football field.
19:27There was a lot of sideline plays in this one.
19:30But ultimately, Drake May had 100th percentile total EPA.
19:32His 22 percentage points over expectation on his completions were in the 99th percentile.
19:37On plays without play action, RPO or screen, just like normal football.
19:40Plus one EPA per play after the game, Drake May said that he could eat a, quote, ham sandwich because he had
19:47so much time out there with protection. What was interesting about the protection was Will Campbell leaves this game in the second quarter with a knee injury.
19:55Remember they drafted Caleb Lomu, not to directly replace him, but kind of be like another kind of swing tackle option.
20:01He goes in there at left tackle and I think plays really outstanding.
20:05But a lot of this stuff from the last year's team, Romeo Dobbs is in.
20:09Kind of like this case on booty roll where he is winning down the football field.
20:14Kyle Williams, not a full time player, but playing a little bit more stutter.
20:18Gore stutter. Go touchdown post where he throws up the mailbox for an explosive.
20:22Both of those are against man coverage. It's at the classic Kyle Williams, by the way, Kyle in his post game press
20:29conferences refers to himself as Kyle in the third person as well.
20:32Great times. It's what you want to see. Yeah, he press man coverage from the line really fast.
20:37Calls him. Calls himself. Kyle. We're on the right track here, but this offense felt a little bit better without like Mac Collins.
20:44Like all of a sudden when you can have some explosives, there's a lot more speed on the field.
20:50Everything just kind of felt a little bit better.
20:53So that long story short, pass protection was awesome.
20:55Drake may bought some time when he needed to, but really it was just kind of the normal drop back stuff was working and everything really was downfield.
21:03I said this week on the forecast that I was 100% open to some, you know, Ewing theory with Mac Collins with this offense.
21:11And I mean, that sounds mean. It sounds disrespectful, but yeah, like we got a lot faster players and Kyle Williams, by
21:17the way, only ran in 14 routes in this game was actually Efton Chisholm who had another sick catch.
21:23I saw today. He was actually the number two receiver might have some Efton Chisholm charting on the docket this week.
21:29So it certainly did Hayden feel like a different Patriots offense.
21:32That's for sure. Matt, I'm just going to go by first names here.
21:36If Kyle did this well, why hasn't, you know, Hayden?
21:39Why hasn't Josh or Mike played Kyle more? Because you and I think Kyle is a very good wide receiver in terms
21:45of lining up on the ball, downfield routes like he ran at Washington state, his releases off the line.
21:51We've seen it in preseason. We saw it during training camp and yet until they're basically forced without AJ Brown and without
21:58Matt Collins, he's not yet out there on the field.
22:01So Hayden, did we get any word that we can actually like utilize our chips that are on the table, our stock
22:07that we've invested in over the previous years in Kyle Williams moving forward?
22:11No, this is just kind of for fun. I would say, I mean, he ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks.
22:17I mean, unfortunately you just got to play more snaps than that.
22:20There's probably like other reasons why Kyle Williams hasn't been on the field.
22:24I will say like there's other times where Kyle Williams, like his size just comes into play.
22:29He's not a full route player yet in my opinion, but if you're going to play press man coverage and you're going
22:36to leave him in one-on-one situations and his little Sutter step works at the line, it's going to be an explosive.
22:42And we've seen this way too often. That's what he was at Washington state.
22:46So I don't think like a full breakout is coming.
22:49I would just say quickly on the Drake may stuff, his average depth of target was almost 12 yards down the field, 3.3 seconds time to throw.
22:57That was not the 3.3 seconds. Like, you know, with like a Caleb Williams or really close where he's like consistently buying time.
23:04He was just kind of sitting in the middle of the pocket bouncing, bouncing, bouncing and throwing the ball over the middle.
23:10There was a couple of times where he did step up through the ball to Ramondre Stevenson.
23:15Next play quarterback power touchdown to the left side as well.
23:19It's like they were doing a little bit of fun stuff here back.
23:23I can't say that this was like all of a sudden Josh McDaniels like in his bag to me, just that the players played better.
23:30And sometimes I hate being as simple as that.
23:33But I think the receivers, the pass protection and Drake may himself all just played better.
23:37I'm also looking at the box score Hayden or Andre Stevenson, 13 carries and add three perceptions onto that.
23:43Um, you know, 85 total yards with a touchdown.
23:46Meanwhile, Trevion four carries, 22 yards, one catch 16 yards.
23:49Was it that big of a split or did something happen here?
23:52Yeah. Trevion got gets rolled up on. Uh, he was, I think it was like on a jet sweep or another played
23:59towards the sideline, gets rolled up an ankle injury.
24:01That was in the second quarter. Uh, Corey Kiner comes in and fumbles the ball, uh, in relief of, uh, trade beyond Henderson.
24:08And then reminder, Stevenson pretty much plays the rest of the game until it is a garbage time.
24:13So I don't know the severity of the, uh, trade beyond Henderson ankle injury.
24:18Uh, but there's like another reminder. If Ramond is just gonna be out there for that many snaps, he's definitely gonna be a fantasy running back to here.
24:26So the, the ground game I thought was like a little bit better in this one.
24:31You just didn't see anything from the Raiders defensive line, which is kind of surprising with obviously with Max Crosby over there.
24:37Yeah. Just on that real quick, you know, this Raiders defense has probably played better than the some of their parts or
24:44their individual parts so far this season. Like Rod Leonard has been getting a whole bunch of love.
24:49Um, and then you have a game like this where the team just goes nuclear against them.
24:54I'll add Harmon. Like the entire conversation of the opening three weeks of the season, which by the way, the, the Patriots
25:00played the Seahawks and the Jaguars defenses along with the Steelers who are quite good defensively too, uh, was all about how
25:07this offense has taken a step back and individually and watch the plays.
25:11You could say that about Drake, man. It looked, it looked a bit static and up to no good.
25:16Uh, but here they've beaten the bills. They've beaten the Raiders in two of their next three games.
25:22It's the jets and the dolphins on top of this, like I hit the schedule last week.
25:27We're kind of hitting a nice part of the schedule here this season for the Patriots too.
25:32Yeah. I know the schedule is a little bit of a trigger word with this Patriots situation here, but I do think,
25:38and, um, my theory on this offense is just, and it's not just the players, but it's, it's more so the structure
25:45of it to your point, Josh, about how kind of static and straightforward it can be.
25:50Nothing is just you watch it's, it's bogus or it's bad.
25:53It's just, it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty vanilla sounds too harsh, but it just is what it is.
25:58It's a static old school offense. It's kind of a bad team beater, especially when you don't have like needle moving talent at every single position.
26:06So I think it probably will follow that trend pretty cleanly here, which means that if you do have Drake may, if
26:12you have some of these past catchers, I think you can ratchet your expectations up a little bit.
26:18These next few weeks as the schedule is softer.
26:20Hey, now I want to send it over to that other team.
26:24The Raiders just 17 points here. They're also now three and two on the season.
26:28Uh, Brock Bowers goes off 10 targets, eight receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown.
26:32We know the Patriots were without their what top two corners.
26:36But after that, there's a whole bunch of nothing.
26:38I mean, Ashton Gentty 27 yards on 10 carries does as 50 yards on three receptions.
26:43That's Cody white for two for 44 and didn't allow me for four carries for nine yards.
26:48I will say the Patriots top two corners being out definitely did help Brock Bowers because he was facing corners for a
26:55lot of that game and he was dunking on them like, you know, Marcus Jones is what half Brock Bowers height.
27:01So that didn't go well. Well, uh, his big first play, uh, that made him the second fastest tight end NFL history
27:07to get to 2000 yards only trailing the late Mike Ditka there.
27:11And then right after that, another dunking grab this time for a touchdown.
27:15He had a little fumble late in the game yards after catch wise.
27:19But for the entire game, he was, he was uncoverable.
27:22And I do think that we're getting to the point with how he's being utilized, how good he is and how big
27:28of a step down it is to everybody else.
27:31He's going to face the top corner on the team.
27:34Like that's just what's going to happen moving forward.
27:36The Patriots were going to do that and things would have looked probably a lot different if it's Christian Gonzalez instead of like Marcus Jones and these guys.
27:45But I think that's like the point we've gotten, we've gotten with Brock Bowers, which is awesome for fantasy purposes because like
27:51you have to be that good and that productive to like get that treatment.
27:55But like be ready for when we talk about him on podcast, like who is the top corner?
28:01Because that's who he's going to be facing and rightfully so.
28:04That's always easier said than done though, especially when it's a guy that moves around like this with Brock Bowers, like a
28:10team, you know, week six Christian Benford and the Buffalo bills, like they're not going to break their defensive rule and their
28:17defense hasn't been very good this season either way.
28:20But like Christian Benford easier said than done to like break all of your defensive rules to have that guy track Brock Bowers around the field.
28:27It probably would have been different today because the Patriots are one of those teams that will just allow Gonzalez to travel.
28:34But even like Rams in week seven, Trent McDuffie maybe could do that because he's, he's has a lot of experience kicking inside.
28:41So that's one to flag there. But like jets, Niners week eight, week nine, it's definitely going to be easier said than done.
28:47That's the advantage of having a guy like Bowers who's still even in this game is about what?
28:53Like 19, 20% snaps in line. That at least matters a little bit there.
28:57But yeah, I mean, at this point he's just completely, he's completely uncoverable.
29:01I echo pretty much everything Hayden said there. Hey, it's time for our weekly Ashen Jenti check in.
29:06Uh, he is the running back 21 at the moment right now.
29:10He played 53% of the snaps in the first half of the game.
29:13He had a couple of broken tackles on receptions later in the game.
29:17Unfortunately, that's just enough to get Dylan Laube in for the touchdown at the goal line.
29:22So, you know, it's ankle injuries. It's the foot injury after the game.
29:26Kubiak is usually pretty coy with what are you saying?
29:29He's like, yeah, Ashen Jenti is like, he's playing through injuries.
29:32Like he's very tough. It's awesome that he's out there for us.
29:36But you know, they're acknowledging the situation with Ashen Jenti.
29:39He is not the same player that he is.
29:41I think that he can break tackles in the open field.
29:44Like he's a difficult tackle for like defensive backs because he's so thick.
29:48Um, I can't say that he's like extremely fast or any of that.
29:52And there were just some issues up front on the offensive line.
29:56Once again, they're better upfront. Obviously, Clint Kubiak is such an upgrade.
29:59There are certainly still issues here going on. And one of those issues issues was Dylan Laube was playing a lot of
30:06the snaps in this one, even ahead of Mike Washington.
30:09So I don't know the latest on why Mike Washington wasn't playing, but Dylan Laube was out playing in terms of snaps Mike Washington in this one.
30:17I would guess that just trust past protection related there.
30:20But that is just like, this can't be a three kind of three-way backfield.
30:24That would be pretty hard for Ashen Jenti to be a fantasy RB1.
30:28We saw Fernando Mendoza for a little bit in this game.
30:31Any thoughts on what we saw there? The Kirk cousins of it all?
30:35Uh, not really that that, I mean, Mendoza comes in the game really late.
30:39He had a couple of plays over the middle scrambles around on the fourth down, gets kind of stopped down there.
30:45So I, you know, it was only eight, eight plays for Fernando Mendoza.
30:49Uh, I thought Kirk cousins was like doing all right.
30:52They just don't have enough, you know, wide receivers.
30:55Like that's where I initially when we got the Marvin Harrison news and there was like the mystery team for like the
31:0120 minutes, I was like the Raiders could use a little Marvin Harrison.
31:05And obviously he's going to go to the Texans that we know, but like, there's a reason why, you know, I wasn't
31:11the only one talking about the Raiders as a fit there.
31:15Cody white and these guys are making plays here and there, but they really do need somebody else.
31:20Yeah. We'll talk more about the Marv deal as we go along here.
31:24Cause, uh, there's a lot to speak on that.
31:26We learned actually during the Cardinals game that the broadcast brought up here.
31:30Yeah. I mean, the Raiders open three, no, they're oh, and two against the chiefs and the Patriots.
31:36And now they have the bills and the Rams in back to back weeks.
31:40I mean, the number one thing here is when you spend that high of a draft pick on Ashton Gentty, uh, you
31:46can't have a long carry for four yards, you know, even if he has a long catch of 31.
31:52Okay. We open with the reigning AFC champion, Matt, that when he, that means we need to go over to the NFC
31:58champion and actually Superbowl defenders as they lose here at home 32, 29, a narrow call against Cooper cup at the end to continue on that drive.
32:06But they stuck with it on the field. And Matt, I believe I read that there were seven combined turnovers in this game.
32:13The most total turnovers in any game so far this season that feels very on 49ers and Seahawks like this game was wild.
32:20Um, it was one of the best games of the season so far because it was so crazy.
32:25And also some superstars like the guy we're showing on the screen here, Mike Evans just absolutely showed up today.
32:31But yeah, this game had it all. Uh, we had turnovers, as you mentioned, uh, the broadcast pointed this out before the
32:38third quarter is over 38 points off seven turnovers have been this in this game.
32:42That was the most since 2017. So not only were there all these turnovers, two Darnold interceptions, a Purdy interception, George Alani
32:49lost two fumble or he fumbled twice. He lost one of them.
32:52Emmanuel Wilson fumbled. Jacob Cowan fumbled. Deebo Samuel lost a fumble where he also popped his hammy and was done for the day.
32:59Uh, Cowan also got hurt too. So like it had injuries, it had fumbles.
33:03Drake Greenlaw got kicked from the game, uh, for getting into it with the Seahawks here.
33:08So, and yeah, again, it also had these big time players like Mike Evans show up.
33:13Um, just real quick, uh, before we also had that Cooper cup fourth down Jackson Smith and Jigba.
33:18Yeah. Is it a drop? It's a really, really tough catch on third and 10 where he's got to track it over
33:25his shoulder and he's got to kind of cradle, catch it basket, catch it.
33:29He ultimately doesn't make the play, which was stunning because otherwise this was a great game for him.
33:34Five catches, 102 yards and a touchdown. His touchdown.
33:37I freeze framed it and put it out on Twitter.
33:40I was like, this guy's going to score on this play because it does not look like that from the angle.
33:46I mean, he was unbelievable in this game, but ultimately every receiver is going to have drops and, and you know, they're going to have missed opportunities.
33:54He had one at the worst time, but yeah, it was a crazy game with all of these turnovers.
33:59George Kittle didn't have his first catch until about 40 seconds left in the game and I believe dropped his first pass as well.
34:07This was a Mike Evans story here, man. He was awesome for the San Francisco 49ers and he was running clean routes.
34:13He was giving Brock Purdy a massive strike zone on these in breakers where Purdy is so aggressive and so willing to throw with a lot of anticipation.
34:21And again, Mike with just 98th percentile arms, 97th percentile height, weight, the whole deal at the wide receiver position.
34:27Like he's going to be bigger and longer than everybody until he decides to stop playing and he doesn't look like he's
34:34any close to, to, to stop playing right now.
34:36So definitely like, again, a lot of storylines here, but the big one was Mike Evans, probably not a hundred percent healthy dominates for this team.
34:44Speaker 2 And the Debo's injury seems like that's going to be long-term.
34:48So like at this point, it's going to be Mike Evans and Kittle only.
34:52So I kind of fear sometimes like with Mike Evans, like we draft him what, like the wide receiver 25 and redraft.
34:59I think we're like, you know, we're pretty tied to that, but you know, whenever he's out there and actually healthy, I
35:05feel like we should be getting like a lot closer to like wide receiver 12, especially moving forward after he had this kind of breakout performance.
35:13Speaker 2 I'm sure you guys said the same thing.
35:16Speaker 2 I know I said this a lot, like he's going to be ranked as wide receiver 25, but there's no
35:22way he's going to finish his wide receiver 25 on any given week.
35:26He's either going to finish his wide receiver 10 or 12 or wide receiver 40 because he got injured after five players or something like that.
35:34Speaker 2 But yeah, no, I mean, he's so critical to this offense right now.
35:38Cause again, Debo and cowing both got hurt. Didn't return Brandon cooks actually showed up here late in this one.
35:44Speaker 2 He had a touchdown that he had a touchdown that Mike McDonald called a timeout.
35:49And so then they had to redo the play and he catches the touchdown again anyways on a, like the same play
35:56design, but he had to break it off for a scramble with rock pretty there.
36:00I mean, I kind of feel like they're going to need Brandon cooks at this point.
36:05So yes, in other words, they need Mike Evans to stay healthy.
36:08Speaker 2 Can't we do the waiver wire tomorrow night with Joel and talk about Brandon cooks and he just fits in
36:15with the entire conversation that we've had in the opening four weeks of the season.
36:19Yeah. Harmon. I've talked about Mike Evans prior to the season where man, you know, I wish we got a 28 year
36:26old Evans with Kyle Shanahan instead of a 33 year old with, you know, the quad, the groin, the hamstrings, all this type of stuff.
36:33But so far it doesn't matter. And look, we're only five weeks in, but you know, he went six for 49 and one in the opener.
36:41Then we get to week three. He goes three catches, 34 yards and a touchdown last week, five receptions, 76 yards.
36:47And then here seven catches, 113 and one. So obviously you're starting every single week in your lineups.
36:52But Matt, we are at this point now where we have seen crazier things than someone of Mike Evans ability play for
36:5917 games when all of us sat back and said, Hey, Mike Evans isn't going to play for 17 games.
37:05Now again, there's 12 more to go. It's a long, long season left.
37:09But if, if he does play 17, then he is just a different styling of wide receiver.
37:14That's ever been paired with Brock Purdy. Uh, and you, we see it on almost a weekly basis right now, just the
37:20goal line, red zone, throw it up to him.
37:23And like you said, just be bigger than his opponent.
37:26And you know, Kyle Shanahan is an awesome play designer.
37:29That's probably the easiest play call that he has in his cheek.
37:32Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, Brady pointed this out at one point, obviously he played with Mike Evans, but Mike is also such a good route runner.
37:40In addition to the size that he can do things where again, brave someone, how he doesn't usually like his receivers to
37:47take what's ultimately going to be an in breaker and outside release it because you lose the leverage at the top of the route.
37:54But with how good from a timing perspective, Mike Evans is, and again, 98th percentile arms, just bigger than everybody else.
38:00It really doesn't matter here. So yeah, as long as he stays healthy, he's a, he's easily a wide receiver one.
38:06It's just again, how long is he going to play?
38:09Is he going to be available for all 17 weeks?
38:12Matt, just watching both sides of the ball with the Niners here, this, this defense has made more plays than what they
38:19should be given how injured they have been upfront.
38:21They're five and oh, they'd be, you know, the two best teams on paper heading into the season.
38:27Like, are we not giving the four Niners enough credit as like having maybe an argument to be the best team in the NFL right now?
38:34I'm open to it. The offense statistically in the metrics that I like to look at is the best offense in the NFL coming into this week.
38:42I'm sure that's not going to change after this one.
38:45And the defense, I would say, I guess it's probably, it's probably feisty is the way I would, I would say it.
38:52They were opportunistic in this one. They got a lot of turnovers as mentioned.
38:56The Seahawks running backs were just like taking turns, making mistakes and, you know, putting out sloppy tape in this one for sure.
39:03Emmanuel Wilson and George Solani. So I don't know how much of that credit to give to the Niners defense versus, you
39:09know, the, these guys in Seattle making mistakes, but yeah, I think they're feisty.
39:13They're opportunistic, but they're not like a lockdown defense by any means.
39:17You can definitely get this unit at different levels of the field.
39:20Anything else you want to say about Seattle's offense here?
39:23Again, I mean, Emmanuel Wilson in the absence of Judarian price and while waiting for Zach Charbonnet to come back, even if
39:30he fumbles and, you know, you mentioned how Lonnie had to, so it's not like he was going up against a star
39:36student opposite of him, but 20 carries, uh, just for 3.1 yards per pot.
39:41But like we always talk about, if you get the 20 carries, you are most likely to get the goal line touchdown, which you did.
39:48Correct. So he's a running back too every week.
39:51I mean, he's just, he's not going to be not going to wow you, you know, uh, in terms of yards after
39:57contact, he's not going to be absolutely insane in terms of these big, big plays, but he can break tackles.
40:03He finds the holes. He hits it. Um, I would say from a Holani perspective and I like some of what Holani has done.
40:10This was a Zach Charbonnet fantasy stock up without playing a single snap type game.
40:15Cause that was just a really rough showing for him.
40:18Yeah, totally. And I'll add with Emmanuel Wilson. Like I think in the opening three games, he only had two receptions last week.
40:24He had three receptions and then today another two.
40:27So these are just like small incremental things that continue to go in his favor.
40:31All right, we'll move on to one of the calamitous sequences and actions of the week.
40:36Giants 27, commanders 27. We're going to have two separate recaps here.
40:40Okay. First we need to talk about the end of game sequence.
40:43Cause that is the star of the show. Uh, obviously the giants get down to the 24 yard line.
40:49All that they need is a field goal to win because both teams have already had a possession, but the giants kicker
40:55has already missed two on the day, 50 yards and 46 yards.
40:59So hard ball wants to continue to chunk out as many gains as possible.
41:03So cam scatterboot run up the middle. He fumbles the ball.
41:06It's inexcusable on a day where he honestly did very little and Najee Harris and Tyron Tracy, both started drives and soft
41:13snaps inside the 10 yard line in this contest.
41:15Uh, so from there, the commanders get the ball one minute, 55 seconds, no timeouts on their own 24 yard line, 16 yards land immediately to the 40.
41:24That's great. Then they get 35 yards on the next three plays to get them down to the opposing 26 yard line.
41:30There's 55 seconds to go again. Clock is a non factor in terms of needing to drain it because the game ends.
41:37If you just kick a field goal, they just went 51 yards in one minute, but this is where the funkiness comes in.
41:44The commanders hand it off for a gain of two.
41:47They drained the clock down to 12 seconds. Again, the clock should not exist at this point.
41:52They call a drop back and Jane Daniels does not throw away.
41:55Instead. It's like a magnet to midfield. He runs directly to the line of scrimmage gets down and the clock runs out.
42:02So either we have three things here, either Dan Quinn didn't know that he only had two timeouts to start overtime and
42:08not three or David Blau, the offensive coordinator wasn't in Jayden Daniels ear saying anything like throw the ball away, no matter
42:15what, or Jane Daniels is at fault and totally lacked game awareness in a moment where just a throwaway sets them up
42:21for a game winning field goal or Hayden. All three are possibilities here.
42:25Truly one of the stupidest sequences we've seen from two teams in the league and especially for the commanders that leave with
42:32a tie instead of a win in a game that they dominated for the first three quarters.
42:37Speaker 2 I'm sure coaches can communicate more, but looking at the actual play that was called, they slid the entire offensive
42:43line to the right, which is like kind of a designed play to the left to throw the ball away.
42:49And Jaden Daniels just runs up and slides. And then Jaden Daniels awareness after sliding.
42:53There was also no sense of urgency after that.
42:56And to me, that's where I'm like, look, we can yell at the coach.
43:00It's very easy. I Dan Quinn, yada, yada, yada.
43:03But I mean, if you're at the start quarterback, you should know how many timeouts you have before the drive starts, how the drives unfolding.
43:10And to me, just looking at the play call, that's a classic situation.
43:14You roll out to the left, you have a couple seconds and then you throw the ball for either more yards out
43:21of bounds, or you just throw the ball away and then you kick up the field goal.
43:26So to me, that's who's at fault. Jaden Daniels.
43:28I think you can obviously communicate more, but I mean, this is the play call looks like it's supposed to be a throwaway.
43:35Yeah, Matt, just real quick. I want to propose two quotes here, one from Jane Daniels and one from another offensive player starting offensive lineman in the huddle.
43:43Okay. Jane Daniels was asked about the sequence after the game.
43:47He said, quote, we've got to relay that as an offense.
43:50It starts with everyone top down. Ultimately it's on me.
43:53Then Chris Paul, again, starting offensive lineman for this team.
43:56Did the commander's offense know they didn't have any timeouts left in the final drive over time?
44:01He said, yes, that was talked about in the huddle.
44:04Your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I also saw Dan Quinn and look, you could be mad at yourself, obviously take his and smash it on the ground too.
44:12So he was pretty clearly frustrated with what happened on the field.
44:16Yeah. This was just a, you know, a brain fart moment, I guess for the quarterback when you, when you probably can
44:22or somebody, somebody had a brain fart moment when you can't, when you can't have one.
44:27So, I mean, one way or another, what an obnoxious way to ultimately lose that game.
44:32Because yeah, I think for a lot of you from what I saw in this game, which wasn't much, Josh, it did
44:38feel like the commanders were the better team at times.
44:41Yeah. I will add if your head coach doesn't call place, you have to be like perfect in in-game situation.
44:47Yes. I mean, come on. And you know, Harbaugh also doesn't call place.
44:51So this is kind of like them pointing at each other for, for how this game ended.
44:56Okay. So the actual game here, the commanders, like I mentioned, were the dominant team for three quarters.
45:01They were up 27 to 13 after like the first drive of the fourth quarter.
45:06We all wanted to see what Jane Daniels looked like coming off of a dislocated elbow once again, while he scrambled on
45:12the second snap and was an incredible scrambler all day.
45:15He was very decisive directly up the middle instead of like these scrambles that we see stringing it along to the outside
45:22that gave him a 38 yard touchdown up the middle, a 26 yard touchdown up the middle.
45:27Even Bill Krosky Merrick kicked it off with a 33 yard touchdown on the opening drive.
45:31By the way, that ends an 18 game streak with no opening drive touchdown for the commanders.
45:36That streak is finally broken here. Chico Cuoncuo was featured early 12 yards, 25 yard gain, another nice chunk in a split flow action.
45:44Unfortunately, who entered this game with an injury was Terry McLaurin played only 36 of 62 snaps.
45:49But really in the end for this commanders offense, Matt, it got to a point where in the fourth quarter, they had
45:55no answer for a zero blitz and basically went three and out for the final three drives in the fourth quarter as
46:02the giants were trying to work their way back into it.
46:05And the giants kept spamming that over and over and over again.
46:08And then finally, their sequence was, oh, we're going to throw a screen to Deami Brown.
46:13And of course, Matt, he fumbles. Yeah. What a shock there.
46:16It felt like a lot of Terry. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
46:20It felt like a lot of Terry's production came late in the, yeah, we wanted you to be limited, but we got to win this game right now.
46:29Okay. So let's get out there. He's ultimately the leading receiver.
46:32This team just doesn't have a lot. You know, they don't, they don't have a lot, especially when digs is not playing.
46:39I like Antonio Williams, but he's a rookie receiver.
46:41And then these other guys like Brown and trail and Burks, I know Burks had a couple, like at least one decent catch I saw on this one.
46:49But yeah, ultimately like these guys are their role players who shouldn't be featured pieces.
46:54Yeah. The big takeaway was just Jane Daniel is fast.
46:57I mean, they tried to spy him with two of the most athletic linebackers in the league and he just totally outran them.
47:04Tremaine Edmonds was truly a spy. He works his way with his eyes to the right side and then takes off to the left.
47:11Uh, and then Tremaine Edmonds can't catch him on that 38 yarder.
47:14And then the 26 yarder was Arvel Reese doing the exact same thing.
47:18And I mean, Jane Daniels is back in that regard.
47:21And I actually think as a thrower, he looked quite good when, uh, you know, he was given time and threw down
47:28the field, uh, Hayden on the opposite side. As for the giants, maybe this is my evaluation speaking.
47:33I thought James Winston was terrible for three quarters, but then they played really quick in the fourth quarter and hit on
47:39big third and fourth downs against a lot of zero blitz looks.
47:43Uh, and that's when they scored a whole bunch of points, including 14.
47:47Um, now they ran 84 place, but I want to point out that Malik neighbors had 20 targets in this game for
47:5311 receptions and 121 yards in a score. And Isaiah likely had 13 targets, 11 for 94 and two touchdowns.
47:59I will also add that Malik neighbors day could have been even better.
48:03Uh, he before half had a touchdown versus zero blitz that went off his fingertips.
48:08He had another go off his hands in the end zone on in the fourth quarter with zero touch on it.
48:14But Hayden, it was great to see him back to this level.
48:17And despite all the quotes that we get leading up to games, he played 79 of 89 snaps today.
48:23Speaker 2 Yeah, James can play bad and Malik neighbors and likely can go crazy if they're going to get 37 and
48:2924% of the targets and the giants defense, like they're better than they were last year.
48:34They're not way better than last year. That's to me, that secondary still always going to struggle with no Brian Burns and
48:41James is like, you know, even when he's playing bad, he's still going to give his guys opportunities and they're just not
48:47going to design anything for Malachi fields, Dio Johnson.
48:50The running backs, uh, aren't catching passes. So it's kind of one where like, I need to like almost stop watching the
48:56Jamis Winston tape and just trusting that the box score production is going to be there for these guys.
49:02Cause I was a little bit nervous. I'm like neighbors going into this game, really rainy conditions that he wasn't going to have his usual day.
49:10And then, you know, the giants kind of get into this carnival game and that's all for not Speaker 2 0 5,
49:16it feels like if you have Malik neighbors on your fancy team, you need to just do two things.
49:22Don't watch the tape on James Winston. If you're a tape grinder and two just maybe mute Malik neighbors on Twitter.
49:28Like you don't need to hear his, uh, updates going into the game about how he's feeling worse or whatever.
49:34Because I mean, listen, he's an honest guy. I appreciate it.
49:37But yeah, if you can't handle that, it's just like it is what it is.
49:42Cause he gets out there and he's been balling these last two weeks.
49:45I still don't think he looks a hundred percent, which I mean again, 85 or whatever he is, percent of Malik neighbors
49:52is better than a hell of a lot of other receivers out there.
49:56Yeah. I'll also add, there were some weird sequences here in that JJ McCarthy played four snaps and every single time he
50:02came in, it was some type of a jet sweep action slash zone read in the opposite direction.
50:08They were basically giving him design carries that I guess were part of the playbook with Jackson dart and none of them worked.
50:14I mean, they look, they look so stupid. I saw them.
50:18They look, it was the stupidest four snaps ever.
50:20I don't know why they did this. This goes back to, I think some coaching malpractice from the giants in, and there's
50:27even this one weird sequence where it was second and four from the five yard line.
50:32So nearly second and goal. And they do one of these stupid plays from JJ McCarthy on second down.
50:37And then, so they have to jog him off and Jamis onto the field for third and four.
50:43That exchange happens so slowly that they take a delay of game.
50:46So that sets them up on third and nine.
50:49And then Jamis throws a horrific goal line interception.
50:51Uh, that is thankfully called back to, I think a ticky tack defensive pass interference penalty.
50:56So this is not a situation that I think the giants are good.
51:00Uh, the giants still have their issues. And I would even go to cam Scadaboo too, who did play the majority of
51:07snaps, but this is not even close, like a bell cow role.
51:10Uh, because again, I'll reiterate that Najee Harris and Tyrone Tracy both started some drives and also got snaps inside the 10 yard line.
51:17Again, I'm not expecting to play 84 total snaps, but he did.
51:21I think he played every overtime snap and then got four of his 13 carries, uh, in overtime.
51:26But again, the last one equal to fumble. Yeah.
51:29And Scadaboo, he's just not catching nearly as many passes.
51:32Like last, last season, he was on pace to finish top five or so in running back receptions.
51:37And this year is just not adding up. So I think he's getting very hard to trust.
51:42He's, he's definitely more of a flex play than an RB two at this point.
51:46And you know, like it can always get worse if they decide the fumbles and his explosive lack of explosiveness isn't, isn't enough.
51:53Matt, we led the show talking about some offenses that might need fixing.
51:57Well, the green Bay Packers 31 points in week five as they demolish the Chicago bears who are winning with backup quarterbacks.
52:04Not anymore. 31 to seven here. And I see Jordan love three 67, two scores.
52:08I see Christian Watson, one 43, two scores. I see Matthew Golden six for one 23.
52:13I also see Marshawn Lloyd with two touchdowns to talk to me.
52:16Yeah, I'm actually going to start with Marshawn Lloyd just real quick because Kevin Zeitler got his first start in this one at right guard.
52:24They have plugged in these true bandaid fixes along the offensive line.
52:27And I'm not going to say that it's great, but I'm definitely going to say that it's better than what we were getting.
52:34You see 10 carries for 31 yards for Marshawn Lloyd.
52:37That doesn't really tell the story. I think he actually had a couple of nice runs in this one, including on his
52:44touchdown where he showed some patience and some power and physicality to get into the end zone, which was a nice welcome
52:50development for Marshawn Lloyd because I wouldn't say that patience or power have ever really been a part of his game.
52:56And that was on his first touchdown there. So yeah, the run game is at least in this one, not a complete
53:03joke, but the story is of course, the passing game here.
53:06Jordan love had six completions of 25 plus yards.
53:09The most by any quarterback in a game this year.
53:12He had two completions of 50 plus yards. I mean, he was just truly launching that thing.
53:17The first one to Christian Watson on the touchdown just is up the left side.
53:21They kind of lost him in coverage, but big play to Christian Watson.
53:25Christian Watson's second touchdown. I mean, that's one of those where if you actually slow down and watch it, everybody during the
53:32scouting process is going to be like, you can't attack the football that way.
53:36You can't attack the football that way. Look at his hands all stretched out.
53:40He's going to, and then you know what? He just kind of catches it off Dylan Theanaman's back essentially there, which was a great play by Christian Watson.
53:48So two huge touchdowns for Christian Watson in this one, Matthew golden.
53:52Also, he has his biggest explosive play where he just gets on top of jail and Johnson immediately on a corner route
53:58where at the break point of the route, he does a really nice sweet move to, to break it to the outside.
54:05Matthew golden. Also, I mean, this game, a lot of comments after the game that we can get into on both sides here.
54:11Golden. I think I saw this live. I think he might've intentionally run, run onto like run over a bear staffer on
54:18the sideline and then Cairo Santos, the bears kicker tried to trip him.
54:22So these two teams definitely hate each other, which made this game a lot of fun, both before during and after it.
54:28But yeah, also Tucker craft gets a 46 yard catch here.
54:32This was the Jordan love like fire show that we were hoping to see this season and a little bit of, yeah,
54:38the bears defense was kind of getting away with it on some turnovers and some kind of funkiness on the backend disruption up front.
54:45But when you can get protection, which Jordan love got some protection today.
54:49It wasn't perfect. We got some protection. He can absolutely still just launch that thing down the field.
54:54Yeah. That's what we talked about when you live and die by the deep ball.
54:59And like, sometimes like they kind of three and out this thing or those are the occasional interception.
55:04But when this thing's going, like the Packers are like such a blast to watch a couple of those.
55:10Jordan love took some huge hits and because he's so big and strong, he, he jumps off the ground to throw some
55:16of these as well, which I absolutely love. Uh, and to me, you can make an argument.
55:21These top two wide receivers are the fastest top two wide receivers in the league.
55:26I'd have to sit there and like actually think about that.
55:29But Matthew golden is absolutely flying. Christian Watson has, has always been that fast, but these guys have been beating players off
55:35the line of scrimmage, uh, at times, but also like you said, the Christian Watson just dunking on guys as well.
55:42So I'm seeing some motion plays in the replays that I've seen, uh, some fun stuff from, from the floor in this one.
55:48And then Dylan, the enemy had a pretty, pretty tough day in coverage, working over the middle of the field.
55:54I thought they were kind of picking on him.
55:57I mean, yeah, real quick on Matthew golden. Go ahead.
56:00Yeah. Real quick on Matthew golden. Like when he, I mean, I, again, Jalen Johnson has been great this year.
56:06He's kind of been getting dunked on, but that was a true.
56:09If he's even, he's leaving moment for Matthew golden on the big corner route there.
56:14He's playing so much faster and decisive this year and beyond just like kind of natural year two improvement.
56:20I also think the thing that matters a lot for him, he's just in a much more clearly defined role that I
56:26think fits his skillset, uh, where last year they kind of bumped him into all different roles.
56:31And especially once Jaden Reed got hurt to kind of put him into that like slot gimmicky role, which that just is not like golden.
56:38You want them on a straight line and just like snapping off routes.
56:42So I'm buying, uh, what I'm seeing for Matthew golden for sure.
56:46Like it's been more than enough evidence at this point.
56:49A hundred percent. I know the people that watch this channel ended up with a lot of Christian Watson and or Matthew golden, uh, this summer.
56:57Yeah. I'm Matt, this is such a different world that we live in with the Packers wide receivers this year where we
57:03had to deal with like five of their names over the last two years.
57:07And literally it's just two now because the next closest wide receiver was bow Melton for three for 20.
57:13If you want to call him a wide receiver, cause he's been tried out at cornerback on the same roster, you know?
57:19So it's, it's really these two guys and, and that's it at 11.8 yards per attempt for Jordan.
57:25Love is outrageous stuff. His passing chart is so cool where.
57:28You know, the intermediate portion just does not exist for him.
57:31It is everything is 10 yards or lower or 25 yards and deeper.
57:35And we always just talk about him as an ambitious thrower.
57:38And that is 100% the case this week. Okay.
57:41Looking at the bears. Um, they have won games in the past with case Keenum.
57:45They've won a game in the past with Tyson Bay.
57:48Uh, Harmon, look at the box score. They can't win the game when both play.
57:53Did, did Beijing get benched? What happened here? Yeah.
57:55Beijing got benched, um, late in this one. And then case Keenum just kind of comes in for a check down show
58:02basically is the best way I can. It was like at the beginning of the fourth quarter and it was pretty much the two, there were two outcomes.
58:10Once case Keenum got onto the field, he was checking the ball down to running backs or in the flats, or he was getting absolutely obliterated.
58:18And that was something that was really notable in this game.
58:21The Packers got a lot of pressure on these two quarterbacks and just like, especially on, on Beijing, they were just blitzing the hell out of him.
58:29Jonathan Gannon, I thought called a great game all day long.
58:32They dominated the line of scrimmage up front with these guys.
58:36Um, 24% blitz rate. So it wasn't a ton of blitzes, but they were really timing and really well-timed and really effective.
58:42And then once case Keenum came in there, it was just a complete, like I said, pressure show.
58:47He was either getting crushed in the pocket or he was checking the ball down really quickly.
58:52And I also thought too, from a Packers defense perspective, they were just sniffing out all of the cutesy BS behind the
58:59line of scrimmage stuff with the bears. And that was a lot of what they were doing in this one.
59:05The Kalief Raymond plays have gone from white hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst stuff that they're putting on tape these last weeks.
59:13And especially today. Yeah. Three for, especially today. Say like the only way they could really consistently get the ball to Luther
59:20burden is on these like Mickey Mouse gimmicky stuff.
59:22So yeah, honestly, the bears just, they really had nothing today.
59:26They were on the ball decently to start, but then they quickly just fell behind and kind of abandoned that.
59:32They had nothing through the air. That sounds like we're going to get Caleb Williams back next week.
59:37That's just based off of the, some of the quotes that I saw, assuming we do get that back, get him back.
59:43I mean, have we learned anything with Luther burden versus Roma duns a versus Colson level and versus Kalief Raymond?
59:49Was there any reason to move off of any of our priors in this one?
59:54Because once again, like nobody really stands out in this one Colson level and only five targets on all these drop backs as well.
60:01Like, what are we supposed to do with this mess?
60:04Speaker 2 I think I don't want to overreact too much to just like these individual game sample sizes without the quarterback
60:10here in terms of the actual potency of any individual player.
60:14Speaker 2 It has like Luther burden, by the way, Zyra, frankly, Zyra Franklin laid into him after the game because burden
60:20had a quote where he said he wanted to make those guys quit in terms of the Packers.
60:25And Zyra Franklin was like, that guy's not made any plays in the league.
60:30Speaker 2 He's done nothing in the league and he quit today.
60:33Essentially, you know, frankly, like, yeah, there was a lot.
60:36There was some lifelessness from the bears offense late in this game.
60:40I'm not going to say anybody quit, but it was again, he didn't really have any plays beyond the gimmicky stuff at this point.
60:47So that's at least worth worthwhile to think about the Loveland stuff is the one that's really, really hard to explain because
60:53he's just not involved in the office. Speaker 2 He never gets these priority looks and I think he's the one that
61:00I've probably changed the priors on the most because I was expecting him to be the focal point and he's not.
61:06That's the thing that I think really comes away from these stretch of games here is that it really is very crowded in this room.
61:13Everybody has their kind of individual role. I don't really think anybody's grown out of that.
61:18I mean, even for Roma duns day who I love is a separator.
61:22He's kind of in that Deontay Johnson zone right now where he makes just one or two stupid, stupid plays a game
61:28that it's like, well, I can show you the 30 great routes he ran, but you can come right back with a
61:35dumb drop or a fumble that he basically caused on his own here in this one.
61:40So it's tough to defend that like that's just that's where he is.
61:43Loveland's like just mysteriously not involved. Maybe that changes burden.
61:46I think it's just kind of been in the same old role and then Raymond still hanging around here as well.
61:53So my big takeaway is just it's really crowded in this room and I don't know that anybody's gonna fully fully run away with it.
62:00Yeah, it's time for Caleb. They're on the road against the Falcons next week.
62:04Then they quickly turn around on Thursday night football against the Patriots in the defense that they just posted.
62:10Uh, and then it's on the road for Monday night football against the Seattle Seahawks.
62:14Those are the next three. So yeah, it's, it's time to get Caleb back.
62:18Let's talk about the Bengals and the Dolphins. Um, look all week long, you know, me and the waiver show.
62:24I talk up Micah Sicki. I talk about Dante Myers.
62:27Cause of course, Jamar Chase and T Higgins aren't going to play in this one.
62:32Well, Hayden, we were wrong. Uh, both barely practiced this week and both played.
62:36Uh, Jamar Chase is a good one. Chase six for 77 and one touchdown.
62:40And really on the day on just 190 yards, Joe Burrow, four touchdowns as the Bengals win 31 to 24.
62:46And I'll say it the feisty. I won five dolphins, but the dolphins and this season is going directly and likely how they wanted it to.
62:54Well, first of all, on the waiver wire, like Wednesday waiver wire has a good ring to it.
62:59Like that's something that, you know, getting an extra day of, of, of information could be pretty nice.
63:04I'll just throw that out there. If anyone from Yahoo is paying attention.
63:08As well. Um, but yeah, I will say just Sicki scores a touchdown immediately.
63:12Uh, but he had only two targets. So the people that woke up hung over, missed the injury reports, and then all
63:19of a sudden kept Sicki in their lineup. Congrats on your 6.4 points or whatever you have.
63:24And this one, uh, and then Myers as well.
63:26He was still a big part of the story.
63:29Cause he had a really big opening return and then also stepped out of bounds on a kick return at his own five yard line.
63:36So he was still involved in this one. Uh, but the Bengals.
63:40It was the exact same Bengals that we've watched for the last five years.
63:44They don't do any of the under center stuff.
63:47There was three under center, uh, drop backs in this one.
63:50This was quick out to Jamar chase T Higgins on a couple slant routes over the middle later in the game.
63:56Jamar chase way over the top on occasion, but this is get the ball out shotgun throw whatever.
64:02It's the same old story here. Like we are throw away anything, any off season stuff that we talked about.
64:08This is the exact same Bengals offense that we've seen for the last five years.
64:12This is also what every offense is going to look like against the dolphins.
64:16We talked about it on every single ranking show ahead of this matchup that the dolphins were literally allowing 90% completion rate
64:23on throws 10 yards and short and look at exactly where everything is this week.
64:27Oh yeah. And then what TJ Hawkinson did to them last week.
64:31Like they're just allowing these easy, simple throws over and over and over.
64:34And then, yeah, you can take one shot play down the field.
64:38And, and like they did to Jordan Addison last week in here.
64:42And it's just, you know, Jamar chase and rinse and repeat.
64:45This is what you get against the dolphins defense every single week.
64:48Uh, Hayden, I do want to ask you about the running backs actually.
64:52Um, because every single week we also talk about chase Brown being a buy low and we said, Hey, this is the week that it's going to happen.
65:00This is the game. It's going to happen. Uh, 13 carries for 39 yards, three receptions for 21.
65:06Still not good enough. It wasn't good enough. You had a fumble in this one as well.
65:11Samaji P Ryan gets, uh, rookie Jacob Rodriguez on an angle route for a touchdown.
65:15Also there was another touchdown if you go on, on who, uh, against Jacob Rodriguez.
65:20I think that was the sick one. So Jacob Rodriguez, uh, compiling a bunch of tackles, but kind of got lost in coverage in this one.
65:27Uh, yeah, with chase Brown, he's not a superstar talent.
65:30He doesn't break enough tackles. He doesn't, rip off enough explosive plays.
65:34I think he's a competent NFL starter across the board, but there's just a difference between watching him and the other guys that he was drafted next to.
65:42I think it's kind of as simple as that.
65:45The fumble didn't help in this one, but he's never going to be Mr.
65:4950 yard explosive play. He's going to catch a couple passes in the flats for touchdowns.
65:54He's going to, you know, for the most part, be the goal line back here.
65:58Uh, but you know, drafting him 15th overall and like versus how good his tape is.
66:03I think there's probably just a little bit of a disconnect between that.
66:07Uh, he's not like Omarion Hampton where he's like straight up, like might actually be bad.
66:11He's, he's a fine player. Uh, but you know, we should probably aim for a little bit higher of a ceiling than fine.
66:18And I think that's the fact of the matter is they're not going to do the under center stuff where like his
66:25ceiling could, could have raised because they're going to rip off more explosives under center.
66:29That experiments like kind of already dried up within five weeks.
66:32And with their defense, not being the again, tough with the dolphins today, but their defense, not being the stone worst in the NFL.
66:40I think that also just takes off some of the play volume, which allows them to not get those kind of compiler receptions as well.
66:47I guess that would also probably, I mean, you could tell me if I'm wrong here, but that feels like part of the theory as well.
66:55Yep. Totally agree. And Hey, and I know the Bengals are on a buy coming up, but to T Higgins leave this one fine.
67:02Like it seemed to me with chase, you know, getting through concussion protocol.
67:06That one is cut and dry, but T Higgins coming in with an adductor, the groin injury, uh, that seemed, you know,
67:12here or there, that this one could go in that direction.
67:15Yeah. You went DNP, DNP, and then full. And then when I saw the full, I'm like, I'm guessing he's just going to be himself.
67:23He ran 28 of 34, uh, drop backs in this one.
67:26He had a drop, uh, had a couple slant wins, but nothing, nothing substantial in this one.
67:31Um, I think what you said, Josh, like, because the linebackers and the communication on this defense is just, it's by far
67:38the youngest defense in the NFL, uh, and chop Robinson, you get home on occasion as a, as a edge rusher there.
67:44But if you can just kind of like quickly dink and dunk run a couple routes where you kind of just change directions.
67:51Like we've seen Kittle and Kelsey and those guys run like very similar routes for explosives.
67:56If you're just going to get layups like that, like there's really is just no need for like T Higgins to be
68:02dunking on guys way down the field in this one, by the way, that second dot, there's a little white dot on
68:09that Joe burrow, uh, passing chart that went incomplete.
68:11Um, and I think that's a great job. And if you're not going to get a listen from anybody, they're like, we're trying, we're competing.
68:19This isn't good enough. And there's kind of like a no excuses mindset, but also like the head coach and Malik, uh,
68:25Willis stuff like they understand what this team is.
68:28This team could win one game this year. I was looking at their schedule and stuff.
68:33Like it's hard to predict a team to win literally zero games this year.
68:37I don't think this team's getting to three wins.
68:39I think they're that far behind all over the place on both sides of the ball.
68:44But that schedule is not the easiest one. And they're feisty, simply not talented enough.
68:49Yeah, it feels like the Bengals are involved in every game that they play, like one or one and a half score games right now.
68:56And then you look at it. I know we've barely seen Caleb Douglas, but I thought he flashed in the opening two weeks of the season.
69:04Chris Bell, his best play has been taken away, but the eye test is there.
69:08And those are two wide receivers you can build around.
69:11Caden Crocker's a massive human being and paired with Aaron Brewer and Patrick Paul that can make up your left side of your offensive line.
69:18Then on defense, Jacob Rodriguez is already racking up a ton of tackles.
69:22Chris Johnson is flashing at the cornerback spot. Like they've hit on a ton of rookies that you can build around.
69:29And yet they are going 0-5, yet staying competitive on a weekly basis.
69:32We can talk about like the Ollie Gordon of it all.
69:36And yeah, he's back to back now with touchdowns with 18 carries and 88 yards.
69:40And our guy, Malik Washington, Matt, six receptions for 43 yards.
69:43You love to see it as the PPR scam of the season.
69:47But just overall, I think this is going exactly how the long view of the Dolphins should be.
69:52Yeah, the Malik Washington thing is so funny because he's like top 15-ish, like tied with Justin Jefferson in targets per route run.
69:59But every week it ends up with like six catches for 43 yards.
70:03And I think he actually looks pretty decent. It's just they don't run any plays whatsoever.
70:08Yeah, Hayden, any thoughts on Ollie Gordon? Because, I mean, we get Devon Achan out of here and now suddenly the Dolphins run game is cooking.
70:15What's up with that? Yeah, Ollie Gordon had, I mean, he easily led the team in snaps here.
70:21Jalen Wright, six carries for 11 yards. Ollie Gordon had, I would say probably four or five runs that went for about 10-ish yards.
70:28He had a long of 22 as well. He's not going to catch the ball at all.
70:33But he's by far the biggest boy in the backfield, Josh.
70:36And that means he's going to get the goal line work.
70:39There's not going to be that much goal line work in this.
70:43Malik Willis had a goal line touchdown himself in complete garbage time.
70:46The Malik Willis stuff just spent a second on him.
70:49Both interceptions were just like in the inexcusable variety.
70:52Like there was a very clear check down that I thought on the one that got tipped.
70:57And then the other one, he flushes himself out of the pocket, throws kind of across his body for an interception.
71:03He can't be having those plays. There was also a fumble when he was stepping up in the pocket as well.
71:09Those are three very critical mistakes. You'll see some air yards in the spreadsheets here.
71:14Those are absolute prayers down the field. Those should not count.
71:17Those should just be evaporated from the spreadsheets. Malik Washington, he has a carry that goes for 18 yards.
71:23Chris Bell, end around 26 yards up the sideline.
71:25That's a big guy that's running pretty fast. Chris Bell is pretty intriguing, not for fantasy this year, but just like as
71:32a Dolphins fan, if there's anybody left out there.
71:35But yeah, Malik Willis still made a couple plays on the run.
71:38He had an awesome scramble for 39 yards as well.
71:41So like, you know, it's maybe a step down from what I was hoping for with Malik Willis, just watching him, like the consistency.
71:48There's a couple flashes there, but just too many fatal, fatal mistakes.
71:52And I think a lot of them are like squarely because of him.
71:56Matt, prediction time. I think the phrase, I'm Dolphins curious is going to be a very popular one after this season, depending on the quarterback that land.
72:04Just based on what this environment could potentially be in like the story you can write for yourself.
72:09All right. Well, I mean, I did it with the Cardinals this offseason.
72:13I don't know if I got the stomach to do it again two times in a row.
72:18We'll see. Well, I want to send it right back to you for our next game.
72:22The Minnesota Vikings are frickin five and oh, and they beat the New Orleans Saints here 23 to 13.
72:28Now there might be some asterisk on that. What we'll talk about in a moment.
72:33But Matt, the number one question we have to ask ourselves because we knew the Vikings defense was number one in the league.
72:39What about their offense? What is it? At least the box score reads Kyler Murray, 24, 30, 229, one touchdown, just two sacks taken.
72:46I ask this question every week, but Matt, what did we learn in week five?
72:51Yeah, we should definitely come back to the Vikings defense because this actually the game with the Saints went exactly as you'd expect.
72:58Like we could have simmed this one and like everything that we said about it was correct.
73:03But OK, so on the offensive side of it, though, I do think we learned a couple of things about Kyler Murray specifically.
73:09He was he was pretty good in this game and his little safety blanket from last week.
73:15TJ Hawkinson got a concussion basically right away was out for the game completely gone.
73:19Justin Jefferson rules. Not that that's something we didn't know already, but his touchdown.
73:23If you guys haven't seen it, you should definitely go back and watch the replay.
73:28He is in the slot. He gets like kind of tangled up with one defender, gets free, pushes powers through it.
73:34Basically, it's corner out in the back of the end zone.
73:37Three defenders vacuum towards him and he still catches the ball.
73:40So we talked about this on stats versus film where a lot of the offense last week felt like kind of the
73:47worst versions of the Kevin O'Connell boom and bust nature, the Kyler Murray boom and bust nature and Jordan Addison being your lead receiver.
73:54Addison doesn't play in this game, but you get Justin Jefferson back.
73:57That makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.
74:00But Kyler was again. He was pretty solid in this game started out 11 of 11.
74:05I thought he was fast and explosive. This was the best.
74:08I think he's looked as a runner in quite some time.
74:12Once he made a decision to get out of there, the Saints defenders were kind of just pulling their hair out trying to get him on the ground.
74:20He looked again very fast, very explosive and notably today to Kyler Murray was 21 of 24 today for 204 yards and
74:26a touchdown from the shotgun or pistol. He was only three of six for 35 under center.
74:31So there's definitely a little bit of blending of the worlds here in terms of what Kyler Murray wants to do and
74:38what Kevin O'Connell has traditionally done with these quarterbacks.
74:41So you can tell yourself a story that as these guys work more and more together, they can kind of meet in the middle here.
74:48And I kind of have some similar notes on the run game as well.
74:52I agree on the Kyler Murray speed that he had that one scramble to the right sideline that I saw where he was looking so fast.
75:00Um, so completely agree there. And yeah, the 51 rushing yards, like that's how he can kind of maintain like as a top 12 ish quarterback.
75:08Cause we've seen a lot lesser quarterbacks kind of finished that way for, uh, for fans in this offense.
75:13So, uh, looking at the passing chart, not a whole lot over the middle.
75:17Like there's a couple of turndowns that I saw, but Kyler's like ball placement and like ability to kind of throw on the run.
75:24Like if you got Justin Jefferson, a one-on-one and stuff like I don't want to like completely overthink the throwing over the middle stuff.
75:31Like you can throw the ball deep on time to Justin Jefferson.
75:35Like that's going to be able to carry, carry an offense enough given how good the defense is.
75:40Yeah. You're going to leave plays on the field when this is part of it.
75:45But when you have one of the best, if not the best receiver in the entire world, uh, and the run game is humming here.
75:5225 carries for Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is a beast, man.
75:55I know he's not going to say healthy. He even got banged up in this one when he, he, he fumbled, I
76:02think at the goal, yeah, fumbles at the goal line, uh, but returns and later scores a touchdown and his touchdown is a gap run.
76:09There's a puller. It's just true power football. And he barrels his way in there.
76:14So I know he's not here for a long time, but man, he's here for a good time is.
76:19Aaron Jones. So, uh, we'll see what the split looks like when they get back from the buy and Jordan Mason presumably returns as well.
76:27But Aaron Jones has been very good. And I, again, this is a very similar where you've, they want it to be,
76:33I think, outside zone team coming into the year.
76:36They talked a lot about that, but they have slowly, but surely just been ripping those plays out of the playbook and
76:42putting more of these power gap runs in here.
76:45And at least on the Jones part of it, he's responding to that extremely well.
76:50Matt, I have a big picture question to ask you.
76:53So if you need a moment to answer it, I totally understand.
76:56Okay. Our buddy Ian Harditz posted that the Vikings this season, defensive EPA per play number one in the NFL.
77:02That is not a surprise when you watch them on a weekly basis.
77:06And we'll talk about them right now if you want, but offensive EPA per play is 32nd.
77:11So where do you think this Vikings offense can get to?
77:14Like, where do they need to get to in order to match and maybe win the Superbowl because their defense is playing
77:21like a super caliber winning defense right now? Yeah.
77:23EPA wise, they're 32nd. Um, in terms of the metrics that I look again, this is coming into this week.
77:29So I haven't updated the numbers yet, but they're about like, yeah, 25th best offense in the league.
77:35Uh, if you kind of take a amalgamation of amalgamation of all these different metrics, um, their success rates just super low.
77:41They're going to be kind of boom bust. I think if they can get, I don't know about Superbowl.
77:47I mean, Superbowl is a lot. I don't know if I trust this office Superbowl, but yeah, great.
77:52I mean, that's different than playing the best teams in the NFL and kind of doing that in January, which is the
77:59saints are not the best, one of the best teams in the NFL.
78:02We'll talk about this second, but, um, yeah, I would say we got to get closer to like 15 to 17, which,
78:09you know, that is quite a bit of ways to go.
78:12Yeah. And I think part of that defensive NBA, and again, this defense is unreal, but you face Caleb Williams in that
78:19storm and he pulls his hamstring going in for a touchdown.
78:22Then you face this version of Baker Mayfield with Tampa Bay, then you face the dolphins and here you face the saints.
78:28Um, Matt, let's talk about that saints offense. Tyler Shucks 16 of 25 for 96 yards, 3.8 yards per attempt, two interceptions, one sack.
78:35Uh, and I feel like I saw one question if he broke his left hand or not.
78:41And he said, I basically can't reveal that information.
78:43So what it looked like today. It looks like he broke his hand, uh, cause he was landing off the ball with his with one hand all game.
78:51So he probably broke his hand. Um, but yeah, this game wasn't even as close as the final score leads you to
78:58believe if you're looking at the saints offense, cause Jonas Sanker recovered and returned a fumble for 87 yards, which ultimately tied the game.
79:05Uh, and then the Vikings offense was able to put it away.
79:09The saints offenses. I mean, it literally had nothing in this one.
79:12Uh, in the first half, Brian Flores blitz Tyler Shuck on 91% of his dropbacks.
79:17And then they called it. It's the best. It was out.
79:20It was out. Out. Out. And then to put poor salt on the wound, they back off of it only a mere
79:2640% pressure rate in the second half. But next gen stats noticed that they had, they got more pressure on Tyler Shuck when not blitzing than when blitzing.
79:35So, uh, yeah, it was just that offensive line against that front.
79:38We knew it was going to be a mismatch.
79:41It absolutely was a mismatch. They were held the saints offense to a 2.3% explosive play rate.
79:46Just one explosive play on the day, a 16 yarder to Chris Olave.
79:50That is the lowest explosive play rate in a game in the next gen stats era.
79:54So since 2016, uh, is when they're starting that one.
79:57So, I mean, literally again, everything we said about this game, where it was going to be a mismatch.
80:03CJ Donaldson did indeed play the most snaps in the back course because he's the past protection back 100%.
80:09Josh, we talked about that on the preview show, nailed that one.
80:12Uh, and unfortunately, if you started Alvin Kamara and you're hoping for the touchdown scam that went to Kendra Miller, who got
80:19all the work inside the five yard line and punched in his touchdown very early in the game as well.
80:25Oh, I'm just looking at every drive the saints had after their second drive, which was a touchdown of 15 plays 66 yards.
80:31It went three and out three and out fumble in the kickoff interception after 11 yards, uh, punt turnover on downs and interception on the day.
80:39Like yeah, this saints team. Um, again, they played their best ball in third and long situations this season and mostly in second halves of games.
80:47You cannot find yourself in those situations against this Brian Flores defense.
80:50Uh, nope. And so they, they just have to find answers as they go along here because Matt, we like a lot
80:57of the pieces on the saints and they're going to get even better once.
81:01You know, Jordan Tyson comes back eventually, but, uh, at one and four in this whole, I understand the NFC south is what it is.
81:08And every team is going to be eight and eight forever.
81:12Even if eight and eight doesn't exist, uh, you're digging yourself a hole here.
81:16Yeah. I think the offensive line and the state of the run game is too bad for them to be a serious
81:22team, which that's something that they have to look at.
81:25You know, maybe Travis H and gets back, but they weren't using him like that anyways.
81:30But, uh, the Calvin banks injury, that's the, that's the bigger one to me.
81:34It's just, yep. That's, that's too, it's too, they're too unserious along the offensive line at this point.
81:40Like he's almost like allowed that the most pressures sense, uh, the Calvin banks injury, like the backup.
81:45And then looking at this one, the running backs in the tight ends allowed six pressures and you know, you just can't have that.
81:52And that's like a credit to Brian Flores for, you know, just understanding the past protection rules.
81:57But these guys just can't block for new Orleans.
82:00Now real quick, if this is a broken hand and we're, we know the Calvin, Calvin banks isn't coming back for a while.
82:06Like a broken handle for your quarterback. Like, are we talking about the Juwan and veille stuff is like unserious now for fantasy.
82:13Like we, we've seen the highs of that and like, we can't trust him moving forward.
82:18Like if he truly does have a broken hand, like, is this pretty much only crystal lava for, for fantasy purposes?
82:24Yeah. Um, it was his left hand. So not as throwing hand, you know, there is, there is that for Tyler Shuck,
82:31but it's definitely gets a little thinner. Um, he did not look comfortable and his, one of his interceptions today was just like completely baffling.
82:38So it was, it just was a bad day at the office.
82:42I'm, I'm not going to totally give up the ghost on the veille and Johnson stuff.
82:46Um, but I think this one just was, it was a buzzsaw they were predictably going to run into.
82:52So I'm not totally ready to give up, but it is a little concerning for sure.
82:57All right. Speaking of ghosts, I would say. Aaron Rogers found some parts of his game that we thought were dead, but
83:03they came back alive here in week five. Pittsburgh Steelers 34.
83:06See what you're going with that. Indianapolis Colts 22.
83:09Here's where I'm going with it, Matt. You ready?
83:12The Colts kicked five field goals in this game and the Steelers scored four touchdowns.
83:16Simple math will tell you that field goals are worth three points and touchdowns are worth six plus one.
83:22That was the entire difference here. Uh, and also Jalen Warren was a huge fricking difference for the Pittsburgh.
83:27The other is one of Hayden Winks's best shout outs of the summer.
83:31First touchdown, 80 yard swing pass to the house.
83:34Aaron Rogers takes a huge shot in the backfield.
83:37The third one is a huge. Aaron, who flicks it out to Jalen Warren just in time, who outruns the one linebacker that's covering him to the corner.
83:45And he's untouched. the rest of the way thanks to DK freaking Metcalf blocking two separate defenders down the field and spring him.
83:52Maybe just maybe the sauce gardener trash talk this week got DK in his groove from a blocker standpoint and sprung that long touchdown.
83:59The second one, Jalen Warren, 50 yarder, broke two arm tackles at the line of scrimmage and he was straight gone.
84:05The booth, which was Jim Nance, said that we were expecting 17 to 22 touches from Jalen Warren heading into this game.
84:12Uh, Jalen Warren fishes with 21. You love to see it.
84:15Pat Friermuth had two other touchdowns here. And then another nugget that we got from the production meetings is that quote, Aaron Rogers likes Jerry Bernard.
84:23He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
84:26Well, Jerry Bernard, nine targets, six receptions, 80 yards leader among all those wide receivers.
84:30Roman Wilson dislocates his finger on his first target just before halftime immediately ruled out.
84:35So you're going to see Jeremy Bernard painted all over waiver wire columns this week as the headliner, because we know Michael
84:41Pittman is out for multiple weeks and Jeremy Bernard did have one drop, but was a total gamer here.
84:47And every time he gets a chance, he pops up and shows exactly who he is.
84:52So, uh, Hey, now send it over to you.
84:54This Steelers team three and two right now. Uh, they were sick of being 500 and squeaking into the playoffs.
85:00I'm not saying it's like totally different here. They have like the bucks, the saints and the Browns over the next three weeks.
85:07This could be a nice stretch here for the Steelers.
85:10Yeah. To me, this story is just goes to the Jalen Warren.
85:14Like this is like Austin Eckler to me just watching him over the years.
85:18Like they have not committed to him enough. And I really hope that, you know, the last couple of games here with
85:24without Rico Dowdle was the wake up call and that they don't make this a committee.
85:29Like obviously with Jalen Warren, his size, like he probably shouldn't touch the ball 20 times on average.
85:34But could this like not be a 50 50 split between Rico Dowdle and Joe?
85:39They're playing different sports. Like there's no way that Rico Dowdle could hit the explosive plays that Jalen Warren has.
85:45He's good in protection. He's physical. He's pretty quick on top of that.
85:49He knows where he's going. Like I've always thought he's just underutilized.
85:52And like, I really hope with Rico Dowdle returning that they do not put a lid on this.
85:57Like it's not going to be like fantasy RB one status, but could he not be the RB 24 from for the rest of the season?
86:05Like, could he actually be like a top 15 guy like that?
86:09It's so obvious that he's so much better than how this there's used him for like last couple years.
86:14You said the name, uh, Austin Eckler. I want to say, I swear to God, Eckler and I did a segment at
86:21one point where he pointed out, he saw some similarities in Jalen Warren's game to himself, not just cause they're undrafted guys
86:27who were at number 30, but, uh, kind of followed that same path and have that same skill.
86:33So yeah, man, like let's fully unleash Jalen Warren.
86:35We showed some stat on the screen where like he is the first running back since fricking Herschel Walker to have like
86:42an 80 yard touchdown and 50 or by the way, Herschel Walker, our ambassador to the Bahamas.
86:47So that's how long ago that was okay. So yeah, I mean like let's, let's go Jalen Warren.
86:52I mean, he's, he's such a good player and makes this offense actually feel if they're going to do the spread stuff
86:59with Rogers, he's such a way better fit for it.
87:02So, I mean, yeah, I just, I hope we're not just wish casting this Hayden cause it, it does feel like it could be real.
87:09And I will add some of it's under center.
87:12Like I feel like Rogers is going more under center this year than he has in, in the past few years.
87:18This was an interesting dynamic because JJ Watt was in the booth with his brother TJ, obviously on the field and JJ
87:24kept mentioning that Jalen Warren gets better the more touches you give him.
87:28And whenever he talks about the Steelers, I kind of wonder how much of that is through his communication with his brother and maybe what they feel internally.
87:37But Rico sounds like he will be back next week from his dislocated toe.
87:41So we'll see what happens, but it should go in this direction.
87:44That's for sure. Okay. Matt, I want to send this to you, this comment with the Colts.
87:49I think the Colts are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
87:53Like we can throw up the Arizona Cardinals, the Tennessee Titans and the Miami Dolphins as the bottom three.
87:59I understand they're two and three, but I think I would put the Colts next.
88:03Jonathan Taylor is awesome. He was stuffed four times at the goal line.
88:07So Hayden, he's going to be massive in your expected fancy points model this week.
88:11Tyler Warren actually got the rushing score as a fullback.
88:14He also went seven for 83 on a handful of deeper routes today, which is very cool to see in terms of overs.
88:21And he actually had the lowest a dot in the league among all non running backs entering this week.
88:27And that should change. But man, they have nothing else.
88:30Everything is so compact when they're throwing down the field and Daniel Jones just doesn't move like he used to.
88:36The ball dies in him when he throws or it's too overthrown.
88:39It's just not hitting nearly as much as it did last year.
88:43And it makes sense. Like when you're throwing to Keenan Allen, uh, nine times when you're throwing to Laquan Treadwell eight times,
88:49Matt, it just has a whole different feel to it.
88:52And I think the Colts, uh, I think they stink.
88:55Yeah, they suck for sure. Uh, Tyler Warren, 9.9 air yards for target feels like a miracle.
89:00I think it was 2.3 coming into this game.
89:03Uh, so, and yeah, when he had like the rushing touches like, oh, great.
89:07Just more gimmicky stuff for Tyler Warren. So at least there's that, uh, Josh Downs, I saw had a 40 yard explosive play down the field.
89:15He averaged 16.5 air yards per target, but the vertical stuff to Laquan Treadwell just feels sad that this is the state of the offense.
89:22And like, not to your point, Josh, I don't think any of it matters because every time I watch Daniel Jones, I'm
89:29like more disappointed than the previous week. So again, this is one of those things where it's so cute that we can
89:35be in, in the summer, like, oh my God, this guy looks like nothing ever happened to him.
89:41And then you get into a real NFL game and he looks like a quarterback who has always been up and down
89:47and is coming off a torn Achilles. Like he doesn't move like he used to, to your point.
89:52Uh, look at the, the deepest passes of the game.
89:55He went one for 11 on them. So, you know, it's a lot of prayers to Laquan Treadwell to your point, whatever happened to Darius Slayton?
90:03Like, is he ever going to get active and go in there?
90:07Like, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot about that.
90:09I told, well, Nick Westbrook-Akine got a long target here.
90:12So, uh, that's not going to help. Deion Burks.
90:15They're like, they're trying to Deion Burks. Yeah. 43.
90:17Yes. If, if you can run in a straight line, you're going to get a deep target and it's going to go incomplete here.
90:25Yeah. I mean, look on a day where he throws zero interceptions and only takes one sack.
90:30You would think like maybe the Colts are going to be more competitive, but it just comes down to if they get
90:36a penalty or if they fail to gain yards on the ground, which again, John and Taylor only average three yards per
90:43carry here, then you get in these second and third long situations.
90:46And that's how you get into five field goals, right?
90:49Because they can't convert on those third and eights, third and twelves, whatever it is, because they just don't have the horses for it.
90:56Like they tried Josh Downs in two tight window targets down the field.
91:00And then the DB just kind of was draped all over him and knocked it away.
91:05So it's, this is just who they are this year.
91:08And it's, it's pretty unfortunate and it makes sense why they paid Alec Pierce so much money other than, you know, he's really good at football.
91:15It comes down to that. Okay. Houston Texans. There's a lot to talk about here, but first we have to start with
91:22them actually winning a game 26 points. Matt, I see 261 and a touchdown for CJ Stroud along with a rushing score.
91:28Uh, unfortunately I see Xavier Hutchinson having more receiving yards for Nico Collins, but also the running back room.
91:34Woody marks 15 carries for 62 and Dave Montgomery five for 11.
91:38Take this wherever you want. Either the D Mont injury or CJ Stroud actually throwing the football.
91:43Well, with CJ Stroud, there's a couple of amazing plays out of structure, um, that I thought really stood out because obviously
91:49when CJ Stroud has time throwing the ball to Nico Collins over the middle, that's, that's pretty much automatic.
91:55But on the Jalen Noel touchdown, he was flushed to his left throws that ball.
91:59Jalen Noel makes a great play extending his hands away from the defender.
92:03Now Jalen still only has 45% snaps 50% of the routes.
92:06He's only out there in 11 personnel. Pretty much he has, you know, 526 snaps outside of 11 personnel.
92:12So we can't get that excited about Jalen Noel, but he's going to be, uh, uh, the same exact player once we get Marvin Harrison out there.
92:20But there's a couple other throws from CJ Stroud, uh, towards the sideline.
92:24There's a great one, um, to Kaysha on booty.
92:26He also had a zone read touchdown at the two yard line as well.
92:31So there was, it was just like another very clean game for CJ Stroud.
92:35He's very welcoming to the Marvin Harrison. And they obviously played together and had a lot of success in college.
92:41Um, and once again, not a whole lot on the ground.
92:44Woody marks had a 24 yard touchdown, uh, called back on a holding play.
92:48I thought that was a little bit ticky tack.
92:51Uh, but David Montgomery with a groin injury, he was like barely kind of walking to the locker room.
92:56Like to me, that looked like a multi-week injury here.
92:59And I'll just say it again. Woody marks is better than David Montgomery.
93:03Like I've said that after every single game I've watched from the Houston Texans to the point.
93:08Now the Texans reporters who typically don't like to do like too much opinion based, uh, tweeting, they were like, Woody marks
93:15should be the running back for this team. Even when David Montgomery comes back, I'm not predicting that's going to be the
93:21case, but he just moves a step faster. I think he should play like, you know, 60, 75% of the snaps.
93:27There's a couple of screens to him. And then after the game, uh, D'Amico Ryan said, quote, may miss some time on David Montgomery.
93:35So I think this team should be a pass first team with Woody marks as kind of your space back.
93:40Win with defense, win with explosives in the past game, live with the results because the run game results are just never going to be good enough.
93:48Uh, and I think that the Marvin Harrison trade on top of that, like further, further believes, uh, that point for me
93:55because CJ Stroud, I think just playing like really, really high end ball.
93:59Yeah. I'm, I feel like I'm going to be talking about the Marvin Harrison trade a hundred different times in the next three days.
94:06So I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to kind of blow all the notes right now, but I totally agree
94:12with you Hayden that when this was even the thought, you know, from the very weird reporting on Saturday, I'm like out
94:19at brunch with, with my wife and looking at my phone, like what, what are we doing here?
94:24Um, I've had too many mimosas to try to uncover what this means, but, um, yeah, it's just, uh, even thinking about
94:31it then, if it was going to be a Houston Texan, even before seeing this game, which is another great game for
94:37Stroud and the whole deal, this team should just be a total pass first spread, like let CJ Stroud cook.
94:43And I do at least just, you know, Marv obviously is an up and down player, but I wanted to see either
94:50Marv or Nico play fewer snaps at X receiver based on what I've heard from the Texans staff.
94:55My guess is it's going to not about, not with Marv, but my guess is it's going to end up being Harrison, not Nico.
95:02Cause I think they want Nico to stick in that, in that X role.
95:06So, you know, I think this could get really pretty interesting if they just like kind of give the keys to Stroud and abandon the run game completely.
95:15Uh, Matt again, you're going to talk about this 99 more times, but with Marv, does he just check directly into the
95:21role that we expected Jayden Higgins to have open this season?
95:24Yep. Uh, a guy that they can do some X receiver stuff with even last year with Nico and Jayden, they would
95:31kind of have two guys be outside on the ball, uh, with when those two guys were active.
95:36So I think they can obviously do that with Marv, but, um, you look at, uh, Higgins route tree from his rookie year.
95:43It does lean into a lot of the breaking routes that Marv runs and fewer of the kind of vertical stretch stuff that he just absolutely cannot do.
95:51So, um, and I also think there's something to the fact that, you know, Stroud really believes in him because it's pretty,
95:58I'm curious to hear what you heard from the broadcast, Josh with the Cardinals and everything, because it is pretty clear that
96:04man, that relationship was, was bad there. Uh, and even from the beginning, I saw the, the thing that Chris Carter said
96:11about how he bought the fifth, had to buy the 50,000 jug machine, uh, by himself because the Cardinals wouldn't buy it or something.
96:18So it's like right from the bad, right from the beginning.
96:21So obviously Harrison's a guy who's had some up and downs from the mental part of it for sure.
96:27So having his guy there and Stroud believing him, I think that that does help things.
96:31Yeah. Last question on this, Matt. Um, I think one issue with Marv other than just parts of his game is just the volume.
96:39And you know, some people will say it's earned.
96:41Some people say, well, he's just not gotten it, all this type of stuff.
96:45Do you think in this offense, in that role that we're expecting to have, he'll average more than like three and a
96:52half targets, which has kind of been what he's been getting with the Cardinals as of late?
96:57Like what, what are your expectations volume wise opposite Nico Collins and attached to CJ strap?
97:02I will take the over on three and a half targets for sure.
97:05I think we could get somewhere to like six maybe per game.
97:09Um, especially if they do kick up the past attempts because you can hate Marv all you want.
97:14He's better than Kayshawn Booty or, you know, even Xavier Hutchinson who runs like 47% of the routes here.
97:20So I expect him to be a pretty impactful player here.
97:23Well, Josh, Xavier Hutchinson has at least five targets in every single one of these games.
97:28So we can't clear the five mark then like something's like really, really rotten here.
97:32Um, yeah, I think like what Matt said, it's gonna be a version of the Jaden Higgins role that is more intriguing
97:39to me than the Marvin Harrison please went on this go post route stuff.
97:43I just don't think he's fast enough. I think you should utilize them in the ways Matt was talking about.
97:49So I think this is absolutely stock up for Marvin Harrison.
97:52He should be rostered in all leagues. I do think that there's gonna be a chance that he's gonna be, you know,
97:59somewhere in the thirties, I would say like rest of season rankings.
98:02I would say wide receiver 35 or so. I think that's where Jaden Higgins would have ended up, uh, because I think
98:09CJ shrouds playing better than we expected. And I think the ground game has been so bad that they really do have
98:15like no choice to me to be Stroud Collins, Harrison and then Jalen Noll in the slot.
98:20No more Kayshawn, no more Xavier Hutchinson, like those guys, uh, not good enough.
98:24And simple math. He goes from being the third target on the Arizona Cardinals to the second target here, the Houston Texans.
98:31Like that is a positive in the direction here.
98:34And just for everyone at home, it was basically a second round pick that went in the opposite direction.
98:39Plus a late round pick swap. Jake laser got on the broadcast saying that any mention of the Indianapolis Colts or the
98:46Las Vegas Raiders, they were not involved in this trade at all.
98:49It was just with the Houston Texans. And on that note, apparently Marvin Harrison Jr hired an agent to get this trade done.
98:56He did not have an agent prior to this, which I thought was an interesting part that he knew that this was
99:03on the cards or wanted it to happen, uh, and hired an agent to kind of facilitate this.
99:08So yeah, it was, it was very necessary for all sides.
99:11Let's put that one out. Hopefully it hits the ground running and hopefully like his relationship with the quarterback, uh, allows it to hit the ground running.
99:19And, um, I would actually say, Hey, my good job for the Cardinals getting a second round pick this year and not
99:26like a second round pick next year, as we've seen, you know, other teams send and receive recently too.
99:31I think that makes sense. I think, you know, Marv's way better than what he's been recently.
99:36Like, I think that this is going to kind of reset his career.
99:40He's not going to hit the complete ceiling that we have, but there's a lot of second round picks that teams make
99:47at wide receiver that just don't pan out. And I think I would rather have Marv like kind of rejuvenated with C.D.
99:53Stroud who has, you know, I'm familiar with my last night on the trade.
99:57Do you think that the Texans had to win this game for this trade to actually be facilitated, which goes to my point.
100:04The Cardinals had zero expectations for the Titans that they were willing to sit their own player, assuming that the Titans were
100:11going to lose this game, which maybe has never happened before.
100:14And by the way, the Titans were never even close.
100:17I was going to say, can you blame them?
100:20Yes. Talk about the Titans offense, Hayden, because, you know, Cam Ward throws for 170 yards and one interception after, you know,
100:26last week of Cardinal take catching what 14 balls for over 100, whatever he catches one for six on five targets.
100:32That sucks. You can watch an entire Titans game and like not even understand like or have any notes written down like that.
100:39This game just kind of came and went. The big thing was, you know, Daniil Hunter and you know, Daniil Hunter and
100:46will I understand it was just overpowering the left tackle really, really struggled.
100:49There's a 57% pressure rate allowed for the Tennessee Titans.
100:52Cam Ward had a, you know, like a stripped interception fumbled deflection, whatever we want to call it because of Daniil Hunter.
100:59There was a couple like out of, you know, out of structure moments from Cam Ward.
101:04You can go halves without like, you know, just like back to back in pocket in rhythm completions for this offense.
101:10And that's just kind of where this one went.
101:12There was a big deep shot in this one to Cardinal tape that goes just incomplete.
101:17TyJ Spears has a fumble and it's a lot of Tony Pollard.
101:21Like, you know, there's like no level of consistency.
101:23They'll like flash to day ball in the booth and like you just don't know like what exactly like they're even going for.
101:30Um, so you know, it was 170 scoreless passing yards for Cam Ward, um, as expected for brutal sacks.
101:36I don't know what they're trying to be. I don't know what Cam Ward is trying to be.
101:41Um, because he has a big arm, but they don't like really use it down the field all too much.
101:47It's, I don't know, man. Like it's a, it's a terrible football team.
101:51They're nowhere near as good as they should be in the second season with Cam Ward.
101:56Yeah. I'll just add that bad teams stay bad because of ownership.
101:59I think we can point that in the direction of the Arizona Cardinals and we can point that in the direction of the Tennessee Titans.
102:07Like the NFL is all about creating a level playing field through draft picks and free agency.
102:12Everyone gets to spend the same and you should not suck this long.
102:15Um, and when you do, you're going to be a big fan of the team, you're going to be a big fan of the team.
102:23And then, uh, also just hiring the wrong people.
102:26And I think that these two teams have kind of gone through that cycle over the last few years with the Titans,
102:32by the way, they fired three more, uh, senior vice presidents, uh, the chief revenue officers out of there, the senior vice
102:39presidents out of there, the brand marketing vice president out of their vice president of creative out of there, like, you know,
102:45top, top down that includes, you know, trying to sell, uh, some tickets and whatnot for the new stadium.
102:51It's, you know, I think this team just rotten.
102:53Yeah. I think one of the people that they fired was the person in charge of the entirely new logo and branding
103:00and the new uniform on top of this. And then like you're saying, um, they're opening a new stadium next year, uh,
103:06and probably charging a whole lot for it. So.
103:09I don't think cam awards going to be a part of the stadium images.
103:13I think that that's how that's the state of the, who is going to be.
103:18Yeah. Who pick two names quarterback. I don't know.
103:20Uh, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Simmons and like just JC Latham.
103:23That's it. Yeah. Yeah. JC Latham. Yes. JC Latham like this, like, you know, yes, that's about it.
103:28Okay. Well, let's talk about those Arizona Cardinals. Cause they got demolished like you do against the Detroit lions.
103:34I mean, the lines open with three, three and outs and still posted 45 points on the Cardinals.
103:39That's really bad guys. I mean, really bad. Uh, and after those first three and outs and look, the Jared golf got,
103:46I think sacked on his first drop back in each of those first two drives, then they were nails.
103:51Um, and it all happened on third and fourth downs.
103:54Sam Laporta converts a huge fourth and four while taking a big hit.
103:58That gives ultimately puts in the end zone on that first drive that they score.
104:03Uh, by the way, Jameer Gibbs is now tied for NFL history.
104:06Actually, he overtook it, uh, in this game with the most touchdowns before the age of 25 and NFL history.
104:12Uh, he now has surpassed Barry Sanders of the Detroit lions, but Sam Laporta had a day.
104:17I mean, a touchdown five receptions, 88 yards when this team didn't need to do anything in the fourth quarter.
104:23Uh, an awesome catch and run on third and 12 got 11 for that.
104:27Then the next snap, he leaked out for a 31 yard touchdown on fourth and one, but the name to bring up
104:34here, two catches, 47 yards, two touchdowns. Finally, Jameson Williams.
104:37Uh, the first one, a stack with Isaac Tesla, a crossing route versus Buddha Baker who left earlier with a groin injury.
104:43That was on a fourth and four touchdown. We love the aggressiveness from Dan Campbell.
104:48This is when it pays off. The second was on a three level concept, kind of same play that they ran a
104:54few years ago against the Tampa bucks. I remember breaking that down with, I think it was Josh McGon.
105:00It might've been Colt McCoy. Uh, anyways, one-on-one easy, easy, long touchdown and a quiet day, quiet day for Amon Rossi and
105:06Brown, just six or 69 to go along with Gibbs, uh, 151 and two scores.
105:11Um, and then quickly on the Cardinals. I mean, they just sucked.
105:14They were really bad. Uh, yeah. Jacoby gets there in the end with two 92 and three touchdowns.
105:19Congratulations for your second half garbage time when you're down, you know, 35 to seven.
105:24Um, the big talking point though is Jeremiah love 12 carries 22 yards, no catches.
105:28Uh, this was the longest game of his life in the longest season of his life.
105:33Um, I think Jeremiah love our buddy field Yates tweeted out now has negative eight receiving yards over the last two weeks,
105:40Hayden, and he's yet to reach 20 receiving yards in a game this season.
105:44That is like mismanagement for the number three overall pick.
105:47Who's a very good pass catcher for your team.
105:49I mean, this is another one of these, you know, bad teams stay bad and it's all the way to the top.
105:56You know, you're drafting running backs. I love Jeremiah love, but you're drafting running backs third overall when the rest of your team stinks money.
106:03Awesome for like look at his last like three or four draft classes.
106:07They've spent real draft capital trying to fix this defense real cap dollars to try to fix this defense.
106:13And it's just like a walking 40 points allowed.
106:15Um, so yeah, the, the Jeremiah love stuff. What was it a new injury?
106:20Did he look injured? Was this just the rotation that we should expect moving forward?
106:24Like, did we learn anything new from this game about like the status of his ankles?
106:29Legit think he just got phased out. And that's part of the issue with being on a team like this when you're
106:35down 35 to seven, uh, at with, you know, a quarter and a half left to play.
106:40Why would they trot out Jeremiah love again in the longest season of his life?
106:45Which I know we're, we bring up mad that phrase is a joke, but I actually think we saw implemented here.
106:51Like why is a team going to, you know, force feed him check downs and big hits when he's going to be
106:57like a fixture of your franchise for the next few years?
107:01Why do that in the game that you know you're going to lose?
107:04And so that hurts us from a fancy asset standpoint, because he's not getting the gimme stuff.
107:10He's not getting the touchdowns that jacobie brissette throws in the fourth quarter.
107:13Uh, and because of that, he's useless in a game like this.
107:17I still feel like it would be slightly different if he wasn't banged up, but that's kind of like the calculus of
107:23it too, is to your point, why waste these Jeremiah love touches when you're getting obliterated by the Detroit lions.
107:29So yeah, really frustrating if you have Jeremiah love and fantasy just frustrating overall too on this offense that, I mean, I
107:36benefited from the jacobie reset fantasy scam because I started him in the experts league.
107:40So, you know, that was like staring at eight points for forever and then it ends up with 20 plus.
107:46So that's great. That's what it's going to be.
107:49But Tegan, uh, quit Toriano gets two of the, I'm probably pushing that name.
107:53I apologize. Uh, sorry. I'm, I'm sorry. I hate mispronouncing people's names, but I don't know what it sounds like.
107:59Uh, so two, two touchdowns for him. Uh, and those are the early touchdowns two, Trey McBride got his super late.
108:05I saw. Yes. Uh, also if your question is who is replacing Marvin Harrison Jr.
108:10in this offense, uh, Jaylen Brooks got a deep shot on the first series and then he also got a second and
108:16nearly tips into himself for a touchdown. So Jaylen Brooks got run here, but so did Reggie Virgil and then Tegan Quintaro.
108:23Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I charted Reggie Virgil.
108:25Oh, sure. That's a person to me. Well, Jaylen Brooks, I think is like a, uh, 30 year player out of South Carolina.
108:32No fourth year, 30 year. Yeah. 2023 seventh round pick.
108:35Um, truly have never heard of him. Um, Trey McBride had a sick, it was the last touch on the game.
108:41Doesn't matter, but I mean, just a nasty, get both feet in bounds while tipping the ball and juggling it to yourself.
108:48So yeah, I mean, I mean, Kendrick Bourne is also going to be someone that we mentioned on the waiver wire for
108:54better for worse, because this offense is going to be down by a lot.
108:58He's going to run a bunch of routes. He's out there in, you know, the middle of the field territory.
109:04And, uh, he was outperforming Marvin Harrison Jr. in a number of the games earlier this season.
109:09So I don't think his role is necessarily going to change that much, but, uh, you know, at least the pecking order
109:16I think is, is quite clear and they're going to run three players at that other spot and sacrifice them to the
109:22wind sprint gods, uh, for the rest of the game.
109:25That's for sure. I just looked Jalen Brooks is 40 time for six, nine.
109:29I mean, okay. I don't know if I've seen a wide receiver that, I mean, that is historically low for actually getting NFL snaps.
109:37I think the Kendrick Bourne stuff is just going to be PPR scam when the Cardinals have given up their 40th point
109:43of the game and he's trusted and he's not going to get benched this season.
109:47Uh, like, I think he's like fine enough as an individual player and he, he's got, um, the floor experience going back to, you know, beyond the season.
109:56So, you know, he's not going to like, I don't think he's gonna be like a rest of the season, top 30
110:02guy, but like, will he do this five for 70 on eight targets multiple times the rest of this year?
110:08Like, I absolutely think he's going to do that.
110:11That does it for all the games that we were assigned, but let's start it back to Sunday morning and Harmon.
110:17I'm going to throw this to you. Jaguars 19 Eagles 17.
110:20Uh, I know I took a segment of the show talking through the ending of the commanders and giants.
110:26Do you want to take a segment and talk about what happened at the end of this game?
110:31Speaker 2 Yeah. Um, I don't even really know where to begin with what happened in this football game.
110:37The chart really does show it pretty well here.
110:40I turned this game off with eight seconds to go because like, all right, cool.
110:44Um, Eagles kick the field goal. They're going to go ahead and win this one.
110:48Uh, that was not, that was not to be the case, uh, because Jacksonville Jaguars get the return Amir Abdullah, by the
110:55way, shout out to Amir Abdullah gets the return.
110:58Speaker 2 He returns it to field goal range and cam little boots in the game-winning field goal, 19 to 17.
111:04The Jags escaped this one. And I mean it when I say the Jags escaped this one because they shot themselves in
111:10the foot over and over and over again with some of the most outrageous, disgusting penalties you could ever.
111:16I mean, they're like Liam Cohen is a great, he's a great coach and I love Liam Cohen as a coach, but
111:22he is a, he's a hot head and this team kind of plays like a hot head.
111:27You know what I'm saying? So there was that.
111:30And then the goal line in the goal line sequences, dude, they could not call a normal play.
111:35They could not like have a successful play at one point.
111:39Basial tootin does like a full jet sweep when they line up Chris Rodriguez is at the backfield that gets stuff.
111:45Eagles defense actually played a pretty good game here.
111:48They had some of their guys back. Although this game started weird too, because on the kickoff, there were four penalties all
111:54offsetting two players got tossed from that. One of them was Brian Thomas Jr.
111:58Not that Brian Thomas Jr. You guys might not know the Jackson Jaguars employed two players named Brian Thomas Jr.
112:04Brian with a Y Brian, the same number of catches in this game though.
112:08Well, that's part of the goal line BS. I'm jumping all over the place here too, but Brian Thomas Jr.
112:14Should have had a touchdown catch, but he catches a touchdown in college where he only gets one damn foot down.
112:20I cannot believe he did not drag that second foot down when he was good at football.
112:25Yes. Well, maybe in his rookie year, he drags that.
112:28I don't know what to say, but this game will truly break your brain for a variety of different reasons.
112:34It was utter chaos, utter chaos. Matt, my favorite sequence for Jacksonville, they had a delay of game before the Brian Thomas Jr.
112:41Can't get his foot in. And then they have another delay of game right after that.
112:46I mean, I'm surprised Liam Cohen didn't make everybody just start doing wind sprints at that point.
112:51There was also a bad snap for the mixed extra point, but I will say the Eagles, I think kind of botched
112:57this themselves, even before their field goal attempt, they throw a pass to Makai Lemon who runs out of bounds instead of staying in bounds.
113:05And that's the reason why Jacksonville was able to get the ball back at these stays in bounds.
113:10They kick that field goal with no time remaining.
113:13And then I would also say that when they do kick the, um, the, the, the kickoff, that ball gets caught at the 10 yard line only.
113:21Yeah. And that was, I got a full, full steam ahead and he was gone.
113:25And then obviously he gets lucky to be, you know, down with one seconds left.
113:30Uh, but I thought, you know, the Eagles, they should have kicked the ball, but a little bit deeper, uh, then, you
113:36know, catching the ball at the 10 yard line.
113:39And also Makai Lemon did make that mistake of getting out of bounds, uh, on the sequence before.
113:44Seems like Jake Elliott was told to kick the ball in bounds.
113:48Uh, so it can be returned like Nick Siorani said this was all on me.
113:52Is that fair? Yeah. Well, they're a dumb team and you're the head coach.
113:56It's definitely on you, pal. Uh, the Eagles, the Eagles are at a staff from our producer, JB shot at the JB who's an Eagles fan.
114:04So I'm sure he really loves typing this. Uh, Eagles are averaging 4.6 points per game in the second half of games this season.
114:11I mean, they're, they're pathetic, dude. It's, it's so bad.
114:14The game and this, this goes back to your point, Josh, Nick Sirianni is a, he's been an offensive coach that has
114:21like tried to off shoot most of the offense maybe, but medals in that way.
114:25It's hard to say, but also he's kind of the CEO head coach, the culture guy.
114:30And this team is, is so poorly managed in these situations.
114:33They're incredibly stupid. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I don't know where this team goes from here because they were, they were
114:39competitive and they fought in this one. They also have the, the most bizarre looking offensive line you're ever going to see
114:46in your life right now because they have the tiniest dudes on the interior and then massive tackles with bell, uh, and
114:52Markel Bell and Jordan, my lot of. So I don't know a lot of weird stuff going on with the Eagles.
114:59Darius Cooper gets the big play at the wide receiver position.
115:02If you were hunting for wicks or lemon or any of those guys, their offensive line room is basically the Derek Henry
115:08and Mark Ingram meme over and over and over again, just one guy is small.
115:13Yeah. I mean the Eagles offense heading into this game, I think was close to last in terms of the three and out rate.
115:20And then they went three and out three more or five more times in this game.
115:25Um, Oh yeah, Matt, we, we might not get Saquon Barkley next week.
115:29Um, or for the next game I'm reading Damien Pierce, 11 carries will shipley five carries.
115:33Did you glean anything from this now that's noted that you know, the average 1.3 and 1.2 yards per carry a piece?
115:40Yeah. Will ship. We punched in a touchdown and then I think had a foot injury and he was ruled out with
115:46the rest of the, for the rest of the game.
115:49So God, it is, it's just so bleak. They're also leaving an active roster spot for lane Johnson for the entire season.
115:56That's, that's great. Obviously really respectful for a franchise legend, but I guess we're just going to roll with 52 players for the rest of the year.
116:04It feels like they should, they actually could probably use 54 players, not 52.
116:08My theory on Sirianni is like some of these decisions, like he knows how he's going to fire him.
116:14Like might as well hit Cabo in October and November and not see this.
116:18He's not going to be the Eagle coach. Yeah.
116:20Like, honestly, big Dom survives without Sirianni. No, yeah, dude.
116:23Tom has interim head coach. We've seen worse. Oh, he would love it.
116:27We saw Jeff Saturday from ESPN. Why not big Dom?
116:30Why not? Yeah, we got, we did get it.
116:33We did get another big dumb. Just absolutely milks the camera time on this one too, during that for a penalty, two
116:39guys, Trotter gets ejected right at the beginning. He's, he's right there.
116:43So yeah, it's, it's a clown show in Philadelphia right now.
116:46I don't know what to say. One thing I did want to bring up, cause this was a talking point heading into
116:53the week was, uh, Trevor Lawrence throws the ball 39 times here, which was much higher than their average heading into this game, which was about 24.
117:01We always said if they were pushed to the limit in a game, which they really hadn't been so far this season
117:07that we would get something like that. And guess what?
117:10It gives us Parker Washington, nine targets, six receptions, 124 yards and two scores.
117:14So again, in a game like they had last week against Cincinnati, who was horrible against tight ends and, um, Brenton strange gets eight or nine targets.
117:22Then you know, you're condensing 15 down to the running backs and the wide receivers and all that type of stuff.
117:28He might not get there, but then in games where they actually have to be pressed, which they will throughout.
117:34It's so clear that Parker Washington is the top guy.
117:37Okay. Uh, I quickly want to talk about the Broncos and the Chargers.
117:41Cause I got some eyeballs on this. Uh, I wish I hadn't because this was horrible football on top of it.
117:47Um, the Broncos win, the Chargers lose, their own five, uh, Bo Nix is not fixed.
117:52Bo Nix throws 123 yards, 4.6 yards per pop one touchdown.
117:55Uh, early on in the red zone, it was, Hey, let's do a wheel route to JK Dobbins, kind of like an escort screen type thing.
118:03Uh, and then let's do a further pass down the field to RJ Harvey.
118:07Both of those were totally incomplete. Uh, there was another moment where Bo Nix was basically facing a three-man rush and he
118:14just drifts directly into his left tackle and there's a sack.
118:17And there's another time where he tries to scramble and then loses the ball one yard down the field.
118:23And so if you ask yourself, what is Sean Payton's influence on this team?
118:27Uh, Hayden, the number one influence was that little Jordan Humphrey converted a third and eight on the first drive.
118:33That was the only difference that I saw in this entire game.
118:36Um, well, and I'm also learning that JK Dobbins might be a Sean Payton guy as well.
118:41And like, you know, that's only adding so much to this offense.
118:45Like they, if they're gonna like reach the ceiling that they, they can have, like it has to go through Jalen Waddle at some point.
118:52Like I, I, I'm always stunned. They did try.
118:55He had more dropsies today, unfortunately. Oh no. Amazing.
118:57Yes. He's, he's gotten some dropsies. So on the five targets, I think maybe at least two of them were drops.
119:04So it's not good. Not good. It's not good all around.
119:07Not good. You win this game though, because Justin Herbert also sucks.
119:10Uh, he throws for 121 yards, one touchdown, one interception.
119:13Uh, no Patrick Sertan. I don't think Riley Moss played either.
119:17One of the worst interceptions you're going to see all week where there's a flat defender and Justin Herbert throws it directly in him, directly between his numbers.
119:25Great placement, but it's to the other team. Uh, the only positive from this game is that Kamani Vidal takes a touchdown 42 yards.
119:32He gets to the edge, breaks a few tackles, and he's off to the races.
119:36So legitimately that is something that a Martin Hampton has not done in, you know, eight months.
119:42Uh, Keaton Mitchell, I'm not going to say breaks a lot of tackles.
119:45He is what he is. He's fast to the sideline and that's about it.
119:50So Matt, I do wonder at some point if we get to the Kamani Vidal is the answer between a Warren Hampton versus Keaton Mitchell.
119:57Yeah. I had one of my buddies text me today, uh, after the Kamani Vidal 42 yard banger, oh, Hampton owners are fierce.
120:04It's like, dude, Hampton owners are it's over for them.
120:07Like, I mean, if they can't possibly be bad about it.
120:10Yeah. Yeah. Right. Correct. Maybe try some daily fantasy.
120:13I don't know. Something else to entertain yourself during football season.
120:16But yeah, I mean this it's, I'm not doing Justin Herbert defense at all because he makes two or three just ghastly decisions.
120:23And I probably shouldn't have been, you know, gallivanting around Europe during the off season.
120:27Maybe should have been locked in on the new offense.
120:30I don't know something to something to talk about there, but they also have just a true preseason roster out there at the offensive line.
120:37And then all of the receivers are injured. Even Trey Harris coming into this game as the number one, like, Ooh, let's see what he's got.
120:45He gets hurt in here. Theo Weiss, you know, MVS who's always the it's again, it's not MVS's fault, but he's always
120:52the target on these disgusting interceptions for Justin Herbert.
120:54So yeah, it's just, it's all bad in Los Angeles right now.
120:58Yeah. Hayden your namesake gets the touchdown. Hayden Rucci.
121:01Hayden Rucci. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's a big guy right there.
121:04Yeah. Um, but so this tweet says that Lana McConkey was active.
121:08Yeah. I mean, he, I don't think he had a helmet.
121:11He, he just wore shoulder pads and looked like he was, uh, one of the injured players in high school football, but
121:17just wanted to, you know, show off his Jersey number.
121:20That's it. Jim Harbaugh, by the way, every time the media talks to him, he's just like, he's more and more clueless about what's going on here.
121:28So yeah, it's, it's over for these guys to matter.
121:31Yeah. For a guy that like had shown so much fire during his time as an NFL head coach, both the 49ers and the chargers.
121:39Uh, he just seems super annoyed whenever his team comes off the field and all these mistakes, like there's very little energy
121:45exuding from a guy that has been all energy during his entire tenure.
121:49Okay. We'll close by just asking the questions of the New York jets and the Cleveland Browns.
121:54I'm actually looking forward to going back and going through this game because we get Braylon Allen for one 16 and a score.
122:01We get Garrett Wilson for seven for one Oh four and a touchdown.
122:05We get Denzel Boston with an awesome 29 yard touchdown post down the field.
122:09Um, unfortunately Isaiah Bond is the one with three catches for 74 yards.
122:13And I also saw that when Sean Judkins left, uh, with a walking boot after just going 14 carries for 44 yards.
122:19Yeah. Also, unfortunately you're gonna have to fast forward through the first couple of plays.
122:24Casey Concepcion got absolutely obliterated by, uh, Minka Fitzpatrick for like obvious concussion.
122:27Like that was, that was, I thought, you know, borderline, uh, dirty ball.
122:31Cause they were, they were kind of like bickering before that play on top of that.
122:36So truly hate to see that. And then with the quinch on, we just don't know there's, there's a lot of like,
122:43you know, like precautionary boots, but you don't, you don't like to see the boot, uh, on a player coming back from injury already.
122:50So this game was supposed to be pretty rainy and stuff.
122:53I didn't see too much of it, but the guys that we needed to, to score fantasy points mostly did.
122:59At one point I did see a true puddle on the field, so it was definitely rainy conditions, but Denzel Boston is, is awesome.
123:06Uh, Isaiah bond is not awesome. He left a lot of plays on the field, even though he had a couple of,
123:12uh, ones here, but yeah, Denzel Boston, just a true stud.
123:16His touchdown was pretty sweet. All right. That does it.
123:19If you all want to see Matt talk about Marvin Harrison, jr.
123:2299 more times this week, you can do it on his feet.
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123:35And stats versus film that we have on Tuesday.
123:38But before then it's myself and Joel Smith after Monday night football, uh, with your waiver wire.
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123:50Colin. That's a long story. All right. Thank you all for watching and Jamie as well, uh, up the bell.
123:56Everyone talk to you guys soon. See ya.