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SNF REAX + Week 5 Fantasy Takeaways

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2 hr 4 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Oct 12, 2026
Published
Mon, October 12, 2026
73
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52
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Topics
Drake MayeJayden DanielsBrock BowersKyle WilliamsTee HigginsCaleb WilliamsCam AkersChase BrownCody WhiteDrake LondonJameis WinstonMichael Penix Jr.Najee HarrisTyrone Tracy
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Antonio Williams

NegativeRole47:19

Williams is a rookie receiver on the Commanders who is viewed as a role player rather than a featured piece in the offense, especially when Stefon Diggs is not playing.

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Ashton Jeanty

NegativeUsage25:52

Ashton Jeanty had 27 yards on 10 carries in the Raiders' win over the Patriots, indicating limited offensive production despite the team's 17-point victory.

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Bijan Robinson

PositiveProjection10:00

Bijan Robinson had a cartoonishly good game with 17 carries for 86 yards and 32 receiving yards; Harmon calls him the best running back in the NFL, period, noting he makes something out of nothing, hits small creases, and gets big plays. Robinson is the center point of the Falcons offense, and without him they would be completely banged up.

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Brian Robinson

NegativeUsage11:00

Brian Robinson came away with only 16 scoreless yards on the night after fantasy owners chased touchdowns over the previous weeks; however, Harmon still views him as one of the best bench holds and a viable flex option in the right game scripts, as the Falcons remain a strong rushing unit overall.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveUsage25:52

Brock Bowers went off for 10 targets, 8 receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown against the Patriots; he was uncoverable throughout the game, facing backup corners (Marcus Jones) due to New England's top two corners being out, and had multiple dunking grabs including a touchdown reception.

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NegativeProjection26:47

Brock Bowers became the second-fastest tight end in NFL history to reach 2,000 receiving yards, trailing only the late Mike Ditka; this milestone underscores his elite production level and trajectory.

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NegativeMatchup27:15

Going forward, Brock Bowers will face top corners on opposing teams due to his elite production and utilization; this represents a significant step down in matchup quality. Week 6 vs Buffalo (Christian Benford) and Week 7 vs Rams (Trent McDuffie) will be tougher assignments, though Jets and 49ers in Weeks 8-9 will also present challenges despite Benford and McDuffie's experience.

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Caleb Douglas

PositiveBreakout68:37

Douglas has barely been seen but flashed in the opening two weeks of the season; he's one of two wide receivers the Bengals can build around despite the team's 0-5 record.

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Caleb Williams

PositiveProjection59:37

Expected to return next week after missing time; his return should unlock the Bears offense, which has been stagnant without him. Matt Harmon notes the Bears had nothing through the air in Week 5 and expects Williams back based on available quotes.

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NegativeMatchup61:46

Williams faces three consecutive road matchups: at the Falcons, Thursday night at the Patriots, and Monday night at the Seattle Seahawks; these upcoming games present a challenging schedule for the young quarterback.

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Cam Akers

NegativeRole34:13

Akers played the majority of snaps in Week 5 (84 total including overtime) but does not have a true bell cow role. Najee Harris and Tyrone Tracy both started drives and received snaps inside the 10-yard line, limiting Akers' red zone monopoly. He fumbled on his final carry in overtime, adding to concerns about his reliability.

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NegativeProjection51:21

Akers is becoming difficult to trust in fantasy going forward. Despite playing 84 snaps in Week 5, he is not receiving the volume in pass-catching that would elevate his value; he was on pace for top-five running back receptions last season but is not tracking that way this year, limiting his ceiling.

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Chase Brown

PositiveBust64:45

Brown failed to deliver in what was positioned as his breakout week against the Dolphins; he carried 13 times for 39 yards, caught 3 passes for 21 yards, and fumbled, continuing a pattern of disappointing production despite being repeatedly discussed as a buy-low candidate.

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NegativeBust64:52

Matt Harmon assesses Chase Brown as a competent NFL starter but not a superstar talent; he doesn't break enough tackles or rip off explosive plays. Despite being drafted 15th overall, his tape doesn't support that draft capital. Week 5 performance was 13 carries for 39 yards, 3 receptions for 21 yards, plus a fumble. Harmon notes the Bengals have abandoned under-center looks (which could have raised his ceiling for explosive plays) within five weeks, and improved defense reduces play volume and compiler receptions. The disconnect is between draft position and actual ceiling—he's a fine goal-line back but not a league-winner.

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Chris Bell

NegativeRole68:44

Bell's best play has been taken away, but the eye test shows promise; he's one of two wide receivers the Bengals can build around for the future.

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Cody White

NegativeUsage25:52

Cody White had minimal production with 2 receptions for 44 yards in the Raiders' win over the Patriots.

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NegativeRole31:15

White is making plays for the Raiders but the team needs additional receiver talent to support Kirk Cousins; he alone cannot carry the receiving corps.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeRole60:00

Mysteriously not involved in the Bears offense despite expectations he would be the focal point. Matt Harmon has changed his priors on Loveland the most because he was expecting him to be central to the offense but he never gets priority looks. The Bears receiving room is crowded with defined roles, and Loveland hasn't grown out of his limited usage.

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Corey Kiner

NegativeRole24:04

Corey Kiner came in as relief for Trevion Henderson after Henderson's ankle injury but fumbled the ball, losing the opportunity to establish himself in the backfield.

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Demario Douglas

PositiveUsage19:00

Demario Douglas had 2 touchdown passes in the Patriots' 45-17 win over the Raiders, contributing to the offensive explosion.

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Drake London

PositiveUsage12:30

Drake London had 11 targets, 7 catches, and 118 yards with dominant third-down production; he had a 43% target share on third down with 5 catches and 86 yards. He was in the slot on 58% of his snaps. Harmon calls him his favorite receiver to watch in the NFL despite not being the fastest, noting he's good at every part of the game except running fast in a straight line.

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PositiveProjection14:00

Drake London leads all wide receivers since 2024 in targets per game on out and corner routes (2.4 per game) and ranks second in yards per game (18.2); he has 78 targets for 601 yards in 33 games, ranking top three in both categories alongside Amon Ross St. Brown, Jamar Chase, and Jackson Smith-Njigba. Harmon ranks him as a tier-two NFL receiver and his favorite to watch.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection19:00

Drake Maye had 4 touchdown passes in the Patriots' 45-17 win over the Raiders; he posted 100th percentile total EPA and 99th percentile points over expectation on completions (22 percentage points). On plays without play action, RPO, or screen passes, Maye had +1 EPA per play. After the game, Maye said he could eat a ham sandwich because he had so much time with protection.

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PositiveProjection19:22

Drake May posted 100th percentile total EPA and 22 percentage points over expectation on completions (99th percentile) in Week 5 SNF. On non-play-action, non-RPO, non-screen plays, he averaged +1 EPA per play. Post-game, May noted he had so much time in protection he could eat a ham sandwich. The Patriots offense felt significantly better with improved pass protection and downfield efficiency compared to earlier in the season.

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PositiveProjection22:49

Drake Maye showed improved play in Week 5 with an average depth of target of almost 12 yards and 3.3 seconds time to throw. Harmon attributes the improvement not to scheme innovation but to better execution across receivers, pass protection, and Maye himself; the offense beat the Bills and Raiders in two of three recent games against a favorable schedule (Jets and Dolphins next).

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PositiveMatchup25:27

With the Patriots hitting a softer stretch of schedule, Drake Maye's fantasy expectations can be ratcheted up in the coming weeks; the offense is straightforward and static, which means it will follow schedule trends cleanly, benefiting pass catchers when facing weaker defenses.

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Dyami Brown

NegativeUsage46:48

Brown was targeted on a screen pass late in the game but fumbled, contributing to the Commanders' fourth-quarter offensive struggles against the Giants' zero blitz defense.

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Dylan Laube

PositiveRole29:59

Laube played more snaps than Mike Washington and scored a goal-line touchdown; likely getting trust-based pass protection reps, indicating increased offensive role and opportunity in the Raiders backfield.

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Emanuel Wilson

PositiveUsage39:03

Wilson received 20 carries for 3.1 yards per carry against San Francisco, securing a goal-line touchdown despite modest efficiency. Matt Harmon notes Wilson's incremental receiving gains (2 receptions in opening three games, 3 last week, 2 this week) continue to build his role. While not explosive in yards after contact or big plays, Wilson can break tackles and find holes; he's a reliable back every week.

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Fernando Mendoza

NegativeRole30:28

Mendoza played only 8 snaps late in the game with a couple of scrambles and fourth-down plays; minimal offensive role at this stage.

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Isaiah Likely

PositiveUsage49:19

Likely had 13 targets for 11 receptions, 94 yards, and two touchdowns, receiving 24% of the Giants' targets and benefiting from the team's quick-tempo fourth-quarter offense against zero blitz looks.

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J.J. McCarthy

NegativeRole49:56

McCarthy played only four snaps in Week 5, all of which were jet sweep/zone read design carries that failed to produce. The Giants' usage of McCarthy appears to be limited to specific gadget plays, with poor execution; one sequence involved a delay-of-game penalty when swapping McCarthy off the field for Winston on third down, suggesting coaching inefficiency rather than a meaningful role expansion.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveMatchup62:18

Chase posted 6 receptions for 77 yards and 1 touchdown against the Dolphins defense, which allowed 90% completion rate on throws 10 yards and short; this matchup profile repeats weekly against Miami's defense that consistently allows easy short throws and occasional deep shots.

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Jahan Dotson

PositiveUsage14:00

Jahan Dotson had 2 catches for 53 yards and made a big 36-yard catch on third down, contributing to the Falcons' strong third-down passing attack alongside Drake London.

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Jameis Winston

NegativeRole47:33

Winston played 79 of 89 snaps in Week 5 and continues to provide volume and opportunity to his receivers despite tape-watching concerns about his play quality. The speaker recommends trusting box score production over tape evaluation when assessing Winston's receivers, as he consistently gets his guys opportunities regardless of performance quality.

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NegativeProjection48:13

Winston played poorly for three quarters but improved in the fourth quarter when the Giants played with quicker tempo and hit on big third and fourth downs against zero blitz looks, scoring 14 points in that quarter.

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Jayden Daniels

NegativeRole41:32

In the Commanders' overtime sequence against the Giants, Jayden Daniels failed to throw the ball away on a critical play with 12 seconds remaining and the clock running down. Instead, he ran directly to the line of scrimmage and got down, allowing the clock to expire and costing the Commanders a chance at a game-winning field goal. Matt Harmon identifies this as either a failure by Daniels to show game awareness or a communication breakdown with the offensive coordinator.

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NegativeRole42:15

Jayden Daniels showed poor game awareness in the final overtime drive against the Ravens, failing to throw the ball away when the play call appeared designed for a throwaway to set up a game-winning field goal. Despite being told in the huddle that the team had no timeouts remaining, Daniels slid after rolling out left and then showed no sense of urgency, ultimately leading to a tie instead of a win in a game the Commanders dominated for three quarters. Daniels acknowledged responsibility post-game, saying "we've got to relay that as an offense. It starts with everyone top down. Ultimately it's on me."

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PositiveUsage45:00

Jayden Daniels was an exceptional scrambler in the Commanders' dominant performance against the Ravens, showing very decisive scrambling directly up the middle rather than stringing plays along the outside. He threw two touchdown passes on scrambles up the middle (38 yards and 26 yards) and was highly effective in the first three quarters when the Commanders built a 27-13 lead after the first drive of the fourth quarter, demonstrating strong mobility coming off his recent dislocated elbow injury.

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PositiveRole45:12

Daniels was decisive and effective running up the middle rather than scrambling to the outside; he scored three rushing touchdowns (38 yards, 26 yards, and a 33-yard opening drive TD by Bill Krosky Merrick) by attacking vertically. He also looked quite good as a thrower when given time and throwing downfield, though he faced a zero blitz defense that the Commanders struggled to answer in the fourth quarter.

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Jaylen Wright

NegativeUsage69:59

Wright had six carries for 11 yards in the game, significantly trailing Ollie Gordon in snap count and opportunity; he's not the lead back in the Dolphins backfield.

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Joe Burrow

PositiveProjection62:24

Burrow threw 4 touchdowns in the Bengals' 31-24 win over the Dolphins on just 190 passing yards, showcasing efficient scoring production in a quick-hitting, shotgun-based offense that has remained consistent over five years.

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Jordan Addison

PositiveMatchup67:18

Addison took a deep shot against the Dolphins defense last week; the Dolphins allow both easy short throws (90% completion rate on 10-yard-and-short throws) and occasional deep plays, creating a repeatable matchup pattern.

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Justice Hill

PositiveUsage7:00

Justice Hill ripped off explosive plays with 4 carries for 73 yards and was a factor on passing downs as usual, contributing to the Ravens' strong rushing attack.

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Kalif Raymond

NegativeUsage59:05

Plays have deteriorated significantly from white-hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst tape in recent weeks, especially in Week 5. The Packers defense shut down the Bears' cutesy plays behind the line of scrimmage, which has been a primary way to get Raymond involved.

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Kirk Cousins

NegativeProjection30:49

Cousins was doing all right in the game but the Raiders lack sufficient wide receiver talent; the team was considered a potential fit for Marvin Harrison before he went to the Texans, highlighting the receiver depth issue.

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Kyle Pitts

PositiveUsage17:00

Kyle Pitts had 5 catches for 42 yards and a touchdown, scoring his first touchdown of the year; however, Harmon is not 100% convinced the touchdown was designed for Pitts, as it appeared to go through multiple receivers' hands. The performance is trending in the right direction after a disastrous stretch, though Harmon notes it was rough even in Penix's first game back.

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Kyle Williams

PositiveUsage19:00

Kyle Williams had 1 touchdown pass in the Patriots' 45-17 win over the Raiders.

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PositiveBreakout20:18

Kyle Williams, not a full-time player, had explosive plays against man coverage in Week 5 SNF, including a touchdown post where he threw up the mailbox for an explosive. He ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks (42% route participation). Matt Harmon noted Williams' releases off the line and downfield route running ability from Washington State are evident, and his little stutter step works at the line against press man coverage in one-on-one situations. However, Harmon cautioned that Williams' size limits him as a full route player and he hasn't been deployed more despite showing talent in preseason and training camp.

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NegativeRole22:24

Williams hasn't been on the field much; he's not yet a full route player in Harmon's view. His size can create explosive plays in press man coverage one-on-one situations when his footwork works at the line, similar to his Washington State profile, but a full breakout isn't expected.

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Luther Burden

NegativeRole59:00

Consistently getting the ball only on gimmicky, Mickey Mouse plays behind the line of scrimmage; no consistent involvement in the Bears offense. Zyra Franklin criticized him post-game for quitting, noting he hasn't made plays in the league. Without Caleb Williams, Burden has been limited to trick plays rather than meaningful offensive touches.

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Mac Jones

NegativeRole21:03

Matt Harmon was open to Ewing theory with Mac Jones regarding the Patriots offense, suggesting the team played better without him in Week 5. The offense felt faster and more explosive with Drake May at quarterback, and Harmon noted the Patriots got a lot faster players on the field without Jones.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveUsage49:42

Nabers received 37% of targets in Week 5 despite rainy conditions and concerns about his health status heading into the game. Despite not looking 100% healthy, he has been producing at a high level over the last two weeks; even at 85% of his normal capacity, he remains better than most other receivers in the league.

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Malik Washington

NegativeUsage21:45

Washington is tied with Justin Jefferson in targets per route run (top 15-ish), but ends up with modest weekly production like six catches for 43 yards; he looks pretty decent but the Dolphins don't run many plays for him, making him a PPR scam of the season.

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Malik Willis

NegativeProjection68:25

Willis threw two inexcusable interceptions—one with a clear check-down available and one across his body after flushing himself out of the pocket—plus a fumble stepping up in the pocket; these are three critical mistakes that will hurt his fantasy value and decision-making.

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Mark Andrews

NegativeUsage5:00

Mark Andrews had a rough night with 6 targets, 4 catches, and 28 yards; the stat line doesn't capture how poor the performance was, as Andrews had multiple drops, a dropped touchdown, and a fumble returned for a touchdown. This poor outing comes after the Ravens extended Isaiah Likely's contract, which Harmon calls a curious decision that now looks poor in hindsight.

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Michael Penix Jr.

NegativeInjury1:30

Michael Penix took a shot to the ribs late in the game and was checked out; his health status needs to be monitored going forward. Harmon questions whether Penix could have completed the game and whether the Falcons might have won or tied if he had stayed healthy.

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PositiveProjection12:30

Michael Penix played much better than expected with 19 completions on 32 attempts for 240 yards and a touchdown; he had an up-and-down game with some inaccurate throws when knocked off his spot, but the broadcast noted he still doesn't look totally confident in his knee when on the move. Despite this, Harmon believes Penix has come in and played much better than anybody would have expected.

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Mike Washington Jr.

NegativeRole29:59

Washington played fewer snaps than Dylan Laube in the game; unclear why he was limited, but likely pass protection concerns led to Laube getting more offensive opportunities.

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Najee Harris

NegativeRole41:01

Najee Harris started a drive inside the 10-yard line in the Giants-Commanders game, indicating he received goal-line or red-zone opportunity touches during the contest.

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NegativeRole50:51

Harris started some drives and received snaps inside the 10-yard line in Week 5, indicating he remains part of the Steelers' red zone rotation despite Akers playing the majority of snaps. This limits Akers' goal-line touches and suggests a committee approach to the running back position.

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Ollie Gordon II

PositiveUsage69:32

Gordon has back-to-back touchdowns with 18 carries and 88 yards; he easily led the team in snaps and is by far the biggest back in the backfield, meaning he will get goal-line work despite limited overall goal-line opportunities.

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Rashod Bateman

NegativeRole3:00

Rashad Bateman had 5 catches for 62 yards and made plays in clutch situations in overtime, though he also had a false start penalty late in the first half. Harmon notes Bateman was used in slot receiver formations as part of offensive coordinator Declan Doyle's diverse scheme, including a play where he cleared space for Zay Flowers on third down.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

PositiveUsage23:43

Ramondre Stevenson dominated the Patriots backfield in Week 5 with 13 carries, 3 receptions, 85 total yards, and a touchdown. He played most of the game after Trevion Henderson suffered an ankle injury in the second quarter, and Harmon notes that if Stevenson continues to see that many snaps, he'll be a reliable fantasy running back.

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Tee Higgins

PositiveMatchup62:18

Higgins barely practiced but played against the Dolphins; the Bengals offense featured quick slant routes over the middle and short throws to Higgins, exploiting Miami's 90% completion rate allowance on throws 10 yards and short.

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NegativeInjury65:55

Tee Higgins entered Week 5 with an adductor/groin injury after going DNP, DNP, then full in practice. Matt Harmon notes the injury status was uncertain (could have gone either direction), but Higgins played through it, running 28 of 34 drop backs. He had a drop and a couple slant wins but nothing substantial. Harmon attributes the quiet performance to the Bengals' young defense allowing Joe Burrow to dink-and-dunk efficiently rather than needing deep shots, similar to how Kittle and Kelsey operate.

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NegativeUsage67:38

Higgins is running very similar routes for explosives; the Bengals are getting layups downfield rather than requiring him to dunk on guys way down the field, suggesting a more efficient route tree focused on high-percentage plays.

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Terry McLaurin

NegativeInjury45:45

McLaurin entered the game with an injury and played only 36 of 62 snaps (58% snap share), limiting his availability despite being the team's leading receiver.

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TreVeyon Henderson

NegativeInjury23:59

Trevion Henderson suffered an ankle injury in the second quarter during a jet sweep or sideline play in Week 5. The severity is unknown, but his injury opened the door for Ramondre Stevenson to play the rest of the game and dominate the backfield.

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Tyrone Tracy

NegativeRole41:01

Tyron Tracy started a drive inside the 10-yard line in the Giants-Commanders game, indicating he received goal-line or red-zone opportunity touches during the contest.

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NegativeRole50:51

Tracy started some drives and received snaps inside the 10-yard line in Week 5, indicating he remains part of the Steelers' red zone rotation despite Akers playing the majority of snaps. This limits Akers' goal-line touches and suggests a committee approach to the running back position.

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Zach Charbonnet

PositiveBreakout40:03

Charbonnet's fantasy stock rose significantly despite not playing a snap, as backup Lonnie Holani had a rough showing (20 carries for 3.1 yards per carry) in his absence. This performance underscores Charbonnet's value as the lead back when healthy and returning from injury.

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Zay Flowers

NegativeUsage3:30

Zay Flowers had 9 targets and 8 catches for 53 yards but was denied a potential 23-yard reception when the Ravens accepted pass interference on the play, wiping off the catch. Harmon notes this was a backbreaking development for fantasy owners despite understanding the strategic decision by Baltimore.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Alright, big show for you here today. It is the Week 5 Sunday Recap.
0:04Man, what a wild Sunday it was. It started all the way this morning over there across the pond.
0:10Jags Eagles gave us a wild one. It started off crazy right away.
0:14It did not let up. That was an insane game.
0:17We talked through that and everything else you need to know with Josh and Hayden for the full recap show.
0:22Plus, I start us off with a solo Sunday Night Football recap.
0:26Ravens, Falcons, give us a pretty exciting one with some big time performances.
0:30from some big time players. Derek Henry scores on a screen pass.
0:33Talk about that for about five minutes. Derek Henry is awesome.
0:37Drake London is also awesome. B. John Robinson, also awesome.
0:40But an injury concern with Michael Penixter. So we talked through all of that.
0:44Then it's the full recap show with me, Josh and Hayden.
0:47All right, big show. All that and more coming up with today's show.
0:51Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:54Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast Nightcap. And it is a hell of a night to talk ball.
0:59Week 5. A long one. All right. We started all the way over there in London with a wild game.
1:05A four penalty start to the game of the slate of games.
1:09Two players ejected. It took us all the way here to just about Monday midnight on the East Coast with a Sunday Night Football game.
1:16That's a great game that we're going to talk about the game that we're going to talk about the game.
1:22We're going to talk through here. Ravens 30, Falcons 23.
1:25This one was fun. It was interesting. It was wild.
1:28And it featured an ending that was truly, truly beyond parody.
1:31I will get to the full game breakdown. But I mean, how can it end?
1:36How can it end with a Tua interception like that?
1:39Michael Penix gets hurt late in the game, takes a shot to the ribs.
1:43He's getting checked out the whole deal. And then we get to a we get to at the end of the game.
1:49And he throws just a backbreaking interception to Kyle Hamilton.
1:52I've I've I got to watch like the all 22, I guess a whole different angle, whatever.
1:57But how does he not see Kyle Hamilton? It looks like his eyes are on Kyle Hamilton the entire way into a throws the interception to number 14.
2:06Like the best player on the defense. One of the best players in the NFL to you can't make that throw of
2:12all the throws at right is Mike Trico saying they've played four quarterbacks in the first five weeks.
2:18Boom to an interception walk off the field. Terrible stuff.
2:21Okay, now let's actually talk about the game now that we've just done through that misery here.
2:26That sadness. Let's talk about the actual football game here.
2:29We'll start with the Ravens because they won this contest.
2:31The Ravens win the game improve. Continue rolling here with Snoop Huntley backup quarterback in for Lamar Jackson.
2:37Really interesting game for a lot of different reasons here on the Ravens side of things.
2:42I think you felt I mean you felt a lot here tonight, but you really felt I think the Declan Doyle impact
2:48here the Ravens brute four and one and this was a pretty clean game all things considered from Tyler Huntley right like
2:55we've seen Tyler Huntley come in here and it's basically just a hey can you scramble around and make things happen for
3:01this Ravens backup quarterback when he's in the game.
3:04That is not what happened here. It's six carries 20 yards a touchdown.
3:08The sneak in overtime to get the win for the Ravens.
3:11Tyler Huntley gets it there. And I mean that really wasn't the big factor his legs here.
3:16I thought Tyler Huntley. He definitely scrambled around. There's no question the mobility helped him, but it was more so scrambling to
3:22reset to throw down the football field to guys like Zay Flowers to guys like Rashad Bateman.
3:27I mean my God, by the way, this game was like catnip for me Rashad Bateman and Jahan Dotson making pretty big
3:34plays in overtime in clutch and clutch clutch situations.
3:37Rashad Bateman, Jahan Dotson. What world are we in?
3:39What world are we in when these guys are getting it done?
3:43By the way, Zay Flowers, nine targets, eight catches, 53 yards.
3:46He actually should have had another catch a 23 yarder, but there was pass interference on the play and the Ravens accepted
3:53the pass interference, which wiped off the Zay Flowers penalty or wiped off the Zay Flowers reception there.
3:58So for those of us, myself included, who have Zay Flowers on our fantasy teams, pretty backbreaking little development on that one.
4:04But I understand it strategically for the Baltimore Ravens as they marched down the football field.
4:09But, you know, again, Tyler Huntley, I thought he was smart, decisive, pretty clean tonight.
4:14Even Rashad Bateman actually did make a couple of mistakes.
4:16Like he had a false start on a play where they're just trying to set up for the field goal at one point late in the first half.
4:25So it wasn't even a perfectly clean night for Rashad Bateman, but he did have his moments here.
4:30Five catches for 62 yards. Again, just contributing to the team.
4:33You know, I'm not going to sit here and do any fantasy analysis on Rashad Bateman, but, you know, my therapist doesn't
4:40even want me to talk about him. And yet here we are.
4:43We're talking about Rashad Bateman because he did make some plays for this team.
4:48And, you know, you saw it again tonight. Like, again, the Declan Doyle effect, getting them on the move, getting these guys in all different formations.
4:55At one point, they actually have Bateman as one of the slot receivers.
4:59And he just has used a clear out space where Zay Flowers runs the slant for the first down on third down.
5:06That was pretty tremendous for the design of the offense.
5:09Again, I think Declan Doyle's just crushed it this year.
5:12So this was a big feather in his cap.
5:14Probably not going to be a member of the Baltimore Ravens very long if I had to guess.
5:19Declan Doyle might be a head coach this time next year.
5:23Declan Doyle, Chargers head coach. Hmm. Maybe people are saying that.
5:26I don't know. But regardless, pretty solid night for Tyler Huntley in the passing game.
5:30Probably the only low light was the Mark Andrews night tonight.
5:34I'm not going to sit here and pile on the guy.
5:37Obviously, Twitter has certainly done that. But it was a rough night for Mark Andrews.
5:41Six targets, four catches, 28 yards. Doesn't really show you exactly how bad it was for Mark Andrews.
5:47At one point in this game, it's like multiple drops, drops, touchdowns, fumbles returned for a touchdown.
5:52Meanwhile, Isaiah likely was balling today for the Baltimore or for the New York Giants.
5:56There's a slip on that one. And I think likely was probably done with the Ravens.
6:01I think he wanted to move on. But, you know, just that contract extension and likely moving on looks pretty bad.
6:07I don't even think it looks bad in hindsight.
6:10I think at the time it was a curious decision for Baltimore.
6:13So that one looks pretty poor. But otherwise, yeah, it was a nice night for the Baltimore Ravens passing game.
6:19But really, I'm bearing the lead here. Derrick Henry, 24 carries, 102 yards.
6:23And most critically, one catch for 18 yards and a touchdown.
6:26I have followed Derrick Henry's career. Obviously, his entire time in the NFL.
6:30One of my favorite players ever. Period. End of story.
6:33On and off the field. Great guy. Love Derrick.
6:36But it has mystified me that he has had all of these different play callers.
6:40Some of them, some of them have not been bozos either.
6:44And yet, no one has just like wanted to throw this guy one to two screen passes per game.
6:49And like, let's just see what happens. Well, that is exactly what my guy Declan Doyle has been doing here for Derrick Henry this year.
6:57And again, in a night where he does not score a rushing touchdown, which is shocking because Derrick Henry has scored seven rushing touchdowns coming into tonight.
7:05He gets the screen pass touchdown because you get him into the open space.
7:09He's still bigger, faster, stronger than most other human beings out there.
7:12He pops into the end zone and just gets it going here.
7:16Yeah, I saw a viral tweet going around last week where it's like, Claude can basically do anything, literally anything for you.
7:22Well, Claude can't stop Derrick Henry when he gets into the open space through the sea gap.
7:27And that's when you just pop the screen pass to him out there.
7:31It just makes no sense why no team wanted to do that for him at this point.
7:36So, yeah, man, you got to love to see Derrick Henry getting that passing game usage.
7:41Justice Hill also ripped off a few explosive plays tonight.
7:44Four carries for 73 yards. He had some nice runs as well, in addition to being a factor on passing downs as he always is.
7:51So, yeah, Derrick Henry would be a first round fantasy pick if we redrafted today.
7:56I can't wait to do this again next summer where people, ah, you know, he's older.
8:00Is this time? Is it time to slow down?
8:03Well, it hasn't been time to slow down just yet.
8:06Most games with 100 plus yards on the ground and a touchdown all time.
8:10Emmitt Smith, 59. Walter Payton, 49. Jim Brown, 45.
8:13Barry Sanders, 45. Derrick Henry, 44. LaDainian Tomlinson, 44.
8:16You know what all of those guys have in common except Derrick Henry?
8:19They are currently enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame on a day.
8:23I don't know. I want to say in the not too distant future.
8:27And yet Derrick Henry at this point, not showing any signs of slowing down.
8:31Maybe it will be in the long distant future for many years from now when Derrick Henry decides to retire because he can't do it anymore.
8:39And then five years after that, Derrick Henry will also join those guys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because he
8:46is one of the best players again of this era.
8:49Absolute superstar. Still one of the best players in fantasy football as well.
8:52So love to see that. This offense in Baltimore is really well designed.
8:56And I love that they took advantage of some of Atlanta's weaknesses.
9:00I think the Falcons defense is feisty. They've gotten a lot out of their front.
9:04They put pressure on quarterbacks, but they do have issues in the secondary.
9:08They have a lot of injuries on the back end.
9:11And I love the Snoop Huntley when he's driving down the field on some of those Rashad Bateman passes.
9:17Then they just get an isolated look to Devontae Walker in the red zone inside the goal line.
9:22They throw him a touchdown there on a back shoulder right as a backup cornerback is coming in.
9:27So that's good work by the play caller to say, hey, we've got a matchup advantage there with our big athletic depth
9:34piece, but big athletic X receiver on a DB that's just coming in here as a reserve.
9:39Let's target that guy. Let's get a touchdown here.
9:42We love that for the Ravens offense. I've been really impressed by this unit so far.
9:46Zay Flowers. Nice, you know. Floor performance tonight. I'm sure this is going to bring down the yards per route run.
9:53Just 53 yards on nine targets. Who cares? Once Lamar gets back in there, he's going to get back to cooking.
9:59There was at least a drop that Flowers had tonight as well, but there are also missed opportunities if we're calling balls
10:05and strikes on this one as well. So look, it's a big night for this Ravens offense.
10:10They escape at the win here because flipping it over to the Falcon side.
10:14I know it ends super disgustingly with the Tua Tunga-Vailoa interception in overtime.
10:18But this was once again a really promising night for the Atlanta Falcons offense.
10:22You don't get the win here. That's going to sting.
10:25That's disappointing because you have to look at the NFC South and think this thing is up for grabs right now if you're the Atlanta Falcons.
10:33Why not you guys? I know you dug yourselves into a hole a little bit, but at the same time, if you'd
10:40won this game, you'd really be feeling good. And why not?
10:43Because other than again, we come out of this game with a Michael Penix injury situation to monitor.
10:48He took a shot, the ribs, the whole deal.
10:51But otherwise, this offense once again looks like a unit that can hang with people.
10:55I remain consistently impressed by what B. John Robinson does.
10:58To use an old Andy Barron's term, shout out to Andy, just a cartoonishly good game from B.
11:04John Robinson. While he only has 17 carries for 86 yards for 32 through the air, I mean, he's just so unbelievable to watch.
11:11He just makes something out of nothing. He hits the small creases.
11:14He gets the big plays. He's the best running back in the NFL to me, period, end of story.
11:20You know, Derek Henry, the aforementioned, even said that going into this game.
11:24B. John's unbelievably good. He's electric in all phases.
11:26He's the center point of their offense. Like without him, they would be completely, completely banged.
11:31And that's all while acknowledging that Brian Robinson is one of the better number two running backs in the NFL.
11:37Now, to that point, if you started Brian Robinson because you've been chasing some of those touchdowns over the last few weeks,
11:43you only come away here with 16 scoreless yards.
11:46Obviously, that's going to sting if it was in your running back two spot, even your flex.
11:51You don't love that. Nevertheless, I still think Brian Robinson is one of the best bench holds.
11:56And in the right game scripts, if you have to, you know, kind of a what the heck flex situation, you can
12:03chase some of those touchdowns because this is still a really good rushing unit overall.
12:07Now, the Ravens run defense, I think, is still a better unit than its pass defense, specifically the pass rush, because there
12:14were a lot of times where Michael Penix was just able to sit back in the pocket and find open receivers on third down.
12:21Specifically, the guy that he was finding quite often was Drake London, who once again comes away with 11 targets, seven catches, 118 yards.
12:28And man, so many of those came on third down.
12:31Drake London was just so good in this game tonight.
12:34He's been so good ever since Michael Penix took the thing over here.
12:38I would he's not the best receiver in the NFL, right?
12:41Obviously, if we're going to sit down and rank players, you know, he wouldn't be there.
12:46I would still posit that he might be my favorite receiver to watch in the NFL.
12:50Drake London, because he's so good at basically every part of the game except running fast in a straight line.
12:56Right. We covered this with the Packers game where he got caught from behind a few times.
13:01Yeah, he's slow. Who cares? OK, who cares? Because he's still able to go out there and get the seven catches, 118 yards.
13:08I mentioned the third down production. You have 43 percent target share on third down tonight from Michael Penix.
13:14Five catches, 86 yards. You wish he got a touchdown here.
13:17That's being a little bit greedy considering how dominant he was in this game tonight.
13:21I mean, everybody in the freaking stadium knows where the ball is going.
13:25They know it's going to number five and they still can't stop it on the critical down and distance situation.
13:31So you love to see that with Drake London.
13:34He's just all over the place on third down.
13:36He was in the slot on 58 percent of his snaps here.
13:40They're doing so much to manufacture the space and the room for him.
13:44Jahan Dotson, who I mentioned, you know, had some moments here tonight.
13:47He had a big 36 yard catch on third down as well.
13:51So it wasn't just Drake London. Two catches, 53 yards overall for Jahan Dotson.
13:55But the stat we have on the screen here right now just really shows one of the things I love about the Penix to Drake London connection.
14:03Outbreaking routes. So on out and corner routes among all wide receivers since 2024, according to fantasy points data, this excludes tonight's game.
14:10Obviously, 2.4 targets per game. That's first among all wide receivers since 2024.
14:1418.2 yards per game. That second total of 78 targets for 601 yards in 33 games.
14:18He's top three in both of the yards and the total yards and total targets just behind guys like Amon Ross St.
14:25Brown, Jamar Chase and the targets. And then it's Amon Ross St.
14:29Brown, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Drake London in the yards.
14:3233 games. Those guys have all played full seasons, essentially.
14:34So that just goes to show you how impressive Drake London has been.
14:38Yeah. Mr. Canice guy in the chat. Jamar Chase is the best wide receiver in the NFL and my favorite to watch.
14:45Totally get it. I think if we're ranking NFL receivers, perfectly fine to have chase number one.
14:50I think Jefferson and Jackson Smith and Jigba are probably two, three somewhere in that order.
14:55I think I shoot. I can even say Justin Jefferson's the best in the NFL.
14:59I think, you know, Pukanuku obviously belongs to conversation.
15:02But Drake London comes up not long after those guys.
15:05If we're talking about tier two NFL receiver, CeeDee Lamb, of course, deserves mention there.
15:09But I probably if we're being honest, I probably love Drake London as a player because he's just another one of these
15:16big wide receivers that people think can't separate. And yet he's open all the time, finds the soft spots in zone on third down.
15:23When we know that man coverage rates go up, he's still able to snap off those out cuts, the corner routes deep
15:29down the football field, even though he's slow. So love Drake London for that reason.
15:34Second round pick. Great second round pick this year.
15:36It was totally justified to be concerned about the quarterback and the offensive environment this year.
15:41But Penix has come back and played way better than I think anybody was expecting here.
15:4619 to 32 for Michael Penix, 240 yards and a touchdown.
15:49Not again, not a perfectly clean game from him.
15:52He's going to spray some throws every now and again when he gets knocked off his spot.
15:57It's a little bit of an up and down journey.
16:00The broadcast is talking about it tonight. He still doesn't look totally, totally confident in the knee and when he's on the move and everything like that.
16:08But nevertheless, I still think Penix has come in here and played much better than anybody would have expected.
16:13And his connection with Drake London is just on point.
16:16So yeah, great stuff from the Falcons passing game there.
16:19You just have to wonder if Penix is able to complete the game.
16:23And we'll obviously keep an eye on his health status here.
16:26We, you know, we'll see what happens on that one.
16:29But you just have to wonder if he was able to complete the game.
16:33Could the Ravens have lost this one to the Falcons?
16:36Could the Falcons have gone down? Maybe even just tied it.
16:40Probably. I mean, God, I don't know that we need two ties in one Sunday.
16:44I personally don't find that appealing. But shoot, it probably could have happened here because that's how good this Falcons passing offense
16:51was looking against a really nice Ravens pass defense from a secondary perspective overall.
16:55Although they don't think they totally have all the horses that they need from a pass rush standpoint to be one of the top defenses in the league.
17:03So we will definitely continue to monitor the Michael Penix health situation.
17:07Oh, one last thing before we leave this one behind.
17:09Five catches, 42 yards and a touchdown for Kyle Pitts.
17:12Kyle Pitts for calling balls and strikes had a couple of nice catches in this one.
17:17A couple of nice little moments for his team.
17:20I'm not 100% convinced, though, that that touchdown was totally supposed to go to Kyle Pitts.
17:25I think it probably was. But it sure felt like it went through two or three guys' hands to get to Kyle Pitts, though.
17:32So he scores his first touchdown of the year.
17:34Good to see if you had to start Kyle Pitts.
17:37I had to desperation start him in a couple of spots.
17:41So, you know, what can you do on that one?
17:44At least it's kind of trending in the right-ish direction for Kyle Pitts these last two weeks.
17:49After it was pretty much a disaster. Obviously, it was a disaster for everybody in the Cooper Rush era.
17:54But even in Penix's first game back, it didn't go so great for Kyle Pitts.
17:59But it's at least been okay these last couple of weeks.
18:02Even if I'm not sure if that touchdown was totally designed for him.
18:06So, big night for Derrick Henry. Big night for Drake London.
18:09Bijan Robinson, one of the best football players on the planet.
18:12And the Ravens are able to scratch out a win here on Sunday Night Football.
18:17To put a cherry on top of one of the more wild weeks of the NFL season.
18:22We're going to have a full recap show here for you guys on the channel.
18:26So, definitely make sure you check out that one with me, Josh, and Hayden.
18:30But for now, that's all from me. I'll catch you guys in the next one.
18:35All right. That's the Sunday Night Football recap. Now, on to the rest of the Week 5 recap show with Josh, Hayden, and me.
18:42Let's get into it. Another week in the books.
18:44I know you all went undefeated because you watched this channel.
18:48And you watch Matt Harmon over on the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast as well.
18:52You went undefeated, but the NFL didn't. Certainly at large.
18:54We had some, I mean, major, major coaching moments to go through.
18:58And maybe most importantly, some breakthrough offenses that we rightfully doubted over the first three or four weeks of the season.
19:04Gap back on track. This is your game-by-game recap show brought to you by Farmers Insurance and Hayden.
19:10Let's start off with one of those teams. The defending AFC champion, New England Patriots, post 45 points on the Las Vegas Raiders.
19:16Win 45-17. Headliner, Drake Maye, four touchdown passes. Kyle Williams, one.
19:20Demario Douglas, two. Are we all the way back?
19:22This felt like last year's Drake May offense where everything was down the football field.
19:27There was a lot of sideline plays in this one.
19:30But ultimately, Drake May had 100th percentile total EPA.
19:32His 22 percentage points over expectation on his completions were in the 99th percentile.
19:37On plays without play action, RPO or screen, just like normal football.
19:40Plus one EPA per play after the game, Drake May said that he could eat a, quote, ham sandwich because he had
19:47so much time out there with protection. What was interesting about the protection was Will Campbell leaves this game in the second quarter with a knee injury.
19:55Remember they drafted Caleb Lomu, not to directly replace him, but kind of be like another kind of swing tackle option.
20:01He goes in there at left tackle and I think plays really outstanding.
20:05But a lot of this stuff from the last year's team, Romeo Dobbs is in.
20:09Kind of like this case on booty roll where he is winning down the football field.
20:14Kyle Williams, not a full time player, but playing a little bit more stutter.
20:18Gore stutter. Go touchdown post where he throws up the mailbox for an explosive.
20:22Both of those are against man coverage. It's at the classic Kyle Williams, by the way, Kyle in his post game press
20:29conferences refers to himself as Kyle in the third person as well.
20:32Great times. It's what you want to see. Yeah, he press man coverage from the line really fast.
20:37Calls him. Calls himself. Kyle. We're on the right track here, but this offense felt a little bit better without like Mac Collins.
20:44Like all of a sudden when you can have some explosives, there's a lot more speed on the field.
20:50Everything just kind of felt a little bit better.
20:53So that long story short, pass protection was awesome.
20:55Drake may bought some time when he needed to, but really it was just kind of the normal drop back stuff was working and everything really was downfield.
21:03I said this week on the forecast that I was 100% open to some, you know, Ewing theory with Mac Collins with this offense.
21:11And I mean, that sounds mean. It sounds disrespectful, but yeah, like we got a lot faster players and Kyle Williams, by
21:17the way, only ran in 14 routes in this game was actually Efton Chisholm who had another sick catch.
21:23I saw today. He was actually the number two receiver might have some Efton Chisholm charting on the docket this week.
21:29So it certainly did Hayden feel like a different Patriots offense.
21:32That's for sure. Matt, I'm just going to go by first names here.
21:36If Kyle did this well, why hasn't, you know, Hayden?
21:39Why hasn't Josh or Mike played Kyle more? Because you and I think Kyle is a very good wide receiver in terms
21:45of lining up on the ball, downfield routes like he ran at Washington state, his releases off the line.
21:51We've seen it in preseason. We saw it during training camp and yet until they're basically forced without AJ Brown and without
21:58Matt Collins, he's not yet out there on the field.
22:01So Hayden, did we get any word that we can actually like utilize our chips that are on the table, our stock
22:07that we've invested in over the previous years in Kyle Williams moving forward?
22:11No, this is just kind of for fun. I would say, I mean, he ran 19 routes on 45 dropbacks.
22:17I mean, unfortunately you just got to play more snaps than that.
22:20There's probably like other reasons why Kyle Williams hasn't been on the field.
22:24I will say like there's other times where Kyle Williams, like his size just comes into play.
22:29He's not a full route player yet in my opinion, but if you're going to play press man coverage and you're going
22:36to leave him in one-on-one situations and his little Sutter step works at the line, it's going to be an explosive.
22:42And we've seen this way too often. That's what he was at Washington state.
22:46So I don't think like a full breakout is coming.
22:49I would just say quickly on the Drake may stuff, his average depth of target was almost 12 yards down the field, 3.3 seconds time to throw.
22:57That was not the 3.3 seconds. Like, you know, with like a Caleb Williams or really close where he's like consistently buying time.
23:04He was just kind of sitting in the middle of the pocket bouncing, bouncing, bouncing and throwing the ball over the middle.
23:10There was a couple of times where he did step up through the ball to Ramondre Stevenson.
23:15Next play quarterback power touchdown to the left side as well.
23:19It's like they were doing a little bit of fun stuff here back.
23:23I can't say that this was like all of a sudden Josh McDaniels like in his bag to me, just that the players played better.
23:30And sometimes I hate being as simple as that.
23:33But I think the receivers, the pass protection and Drake may himself all just played better.
23:37I'm also looking at the box score Hayden or Andre Stevenson, 13 carries and add three perceptions onto that.
23:43Um, you know, 85 total yards with a touchdown.
23:46Meanwhile, Trevion four carries, 22 yards, one catch 16 yards.
23:49Was it that big of a split or did something happen here?
23:52Yeah. Trevion got gets rolled up on. Uh, he was, I think it was like on a jet sweep or another played
23:59towards the sideline, gets rolled up an ankle injury.
24:01That was in the second quarter. Uh, Corey Kiner comes in and fumbles the ball, uh, in relief of, uh, trade beyond Henderson.
24:08And then reminder, Stevenson pretty much plays the rest of the game until it is a garbage time.
24:13So I don't know the severity of the, uh, trade beyond Henderson ankle injury.
24:18Uh, but there's like another reminder. If Ramond is just gonna be out there for that many snaps, he's definitely gonna be a fantasy running back to here.
24:26So the, the ground game I thought was like a little bit better in this one.
24:31You just didn't see anything from the Raiders defensive line, which is kind of surprising with obviously with Max Crosby over there.
24:37Yeah. Just on that real quick, you know, this Raiders defense has probably played better than the some of their parts or
24:44their individual parts so far this season. Like Rod Leonard has been getting a whole bunch of love.
24:49Um, and then you have a game like this where the team just goes nuclear against them.
24:54I'll add Harmon. Like the entire conversation of the opening three weeks of the season, which by the way, the, the Patriots
25:00played the Seahawks and the Jaguars defenses along with the Steelers who are quite good defensively too, uh, was all about how
25:07this offense has taken a step back and individually and watch the plays.
25:11You could say that about Drake, man. It looked, it looked a bit static and up to no good.
25:16Uh, but here they've beaten the bills. They've beaten the Raiders in two of their next three games.
25:22It's the jets and the dolphins on top of this, like I hit the schedule last week.
25:27We're kind of hitting a nice part of the schedule here this season for the Patriots too.
25:32Yeah. I know the schedule is a little bit of a trigger word with this Patriots situation here, but I do think,
25:38and, um, my theory on this offense is just, and it's not just the players, but it's, it's more so the structure
25:45of it to your point, Josh, about how kind of static and straightforward it can be.
25:50Nothing is just you watch it's, it's bogus or it's bad.
25:53It's just, it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty vanilla sounds too harsh, but it just is what it is.
25:58It's a static old school offense. It's kind of a bad team beater, especially when you don't have like needle moving talent at every single position.
26:06So I think it probably will follow that trend pretty cleanly here, which means that if you do have Drake may, if
26:12you have some of these past catchers, I think you can ratchet your expectations up a little bit.
26:18These next few weeks as the schedule is softer.
26:20Hey, now I want to send it over to that other team.
26:24The Raiders just 17 points here. They're also now three and two on the season.
26:28Uh, Brock Bowers goes off 10 targets, eight receptions, 110 yards and a touchdown.
26:32We know the Patriots were without their what top two corners.
26:36But after that, there's a whole bunch of nothing.
26:38I mean, Ashton Gentty 27 yards on 10 carries does as 50 yards on three receptions.
26:43That's Cody white for two for 44 and didn't allow me for four carries for nine yards.
26:48I will say the Patriots top two corners being out definitely did help Brock Bowers because he was facing corners for a
26:55lot of that game and he was dunking on them like, you know, Marcus Jones is what half Brock Bowers height.
27:01So that didn't go well. Well, uh, his big first play, uh, that made him the second fastest tight end NFL history
27:07to get to 2000 yards only trailing the late Mike Ditka there.
27:11And then right after that, another dunking grab this time for a touchdown.
27:15He had a little fumble late in the game yards after catch wise.
27:19But for the entire game, he was, he was uncoverable.
27:22And I do think that we're getting to the point with how he's being utilized, how good he is and how big
27:28of a step down it is to everybody else.
27:31He's going to face the top corner on the team.
27:34Like that's just what's going to happen moving forward.
27:36The Patriots were going to do that and things would have looked probably a lot different if it's Christian Gonzalez instead of like Marcus Jones and these guys.
27:45But I think that's like the point we've gotten, we've gotten with Brock Bowers, which is awesome for fantasy purposes because like
27:51you have to be that good and that productive to like get that treatment.
27:55But like be ready for when we talk about him on podcast, like who is the top corner?
28:01Because that's who he's going to be facing and rightfully so.
28:04That's always easier said than done though, especially when it's a guy that moves around like this with Brock Bowers, like a
28:10team, you know, week six Christian Benford and the Buffalo bills, like they're not going to break their defensive rule and their
28:17defense hasn't been very good this season either way.
28:20But like Christian Benford easier said than done to like break all of your defensive rules to have that guy track Brock Bowers around the field.
28:27It probably would have been different today because the Patriots are one of those teams that will just allow Gonzalez to travel.
28:34But even like Rams in week seven, Trent McDuffie maybe could do that because he's, he's has a lot of experience kicking inside.
28:41So that's one to flag there. But like jets, Niners week eight, week nine, it's definitely going to be easier said than done.
28:47That's the advantage of having a guy like Bowers who's still even in this game is about what?
28:53Like 19, 20% snaps in line. That at least matters a little bit there.
28:57But yeah, I mean, at this point he's just completely, he's completely uncoverable.
29:01I echo pretty much everything Hayden said there. Hey, it's time for our weekly Ashen Jenti check in.
29:06Uh, he is the running back 21 at the moment right now.
29:10He played 53% of the snaps in the first half of the game.
29:13He had a couple of broken tackles on receptions later in the game.
29:17Unfortunately, that's just enough to get Dylan Laube in for the touchdown at the goal line.
29:22So, you know, it's ankle injuries. It's the foot injury after the game.
29:26Kubiak is usually pretty coy with what are you saying?
29:29He's like, yeah, Ashen Jenti is like, he's playing through injuries.
29:32Like he's very tough. It's awesome that he's out there for us.
29:36But you know, they're acknowledging the situation with Ashen Jenti.
29:39He is not the same player that he is.
29:41I think that he can break tackles in the open field.
29:44Like he's a difficult tackle for like defensive backs because he's so thick.
29:48Um, I can't say that he's like extremely fast or any of that.
29:52And there were just some issues up front on the offensive line.
29:56Once again, they're better upfront. Obviously, Clint Kubiak is such an upgrade.
29:59There are certainly still issues here going on. And one of those issues issues was Dylan Laube was playing a lot of
30:06the snaps in this one, even ahead of Mike Washington.
30:09So I don't know the latest on why Mike Washington wasn't playing, but Dylan Laube was out playing in terms of snaps Mike Washington in this one.
30:17I would guess that just trust past protection related there.
30:20But that is just like, this can't be a three kind of three-way backfield.
30:24That would be pretty hard for Ashen Jenti to be a fantasy RB1.
30:28We saw Fernando Mendoza for a little bit in this game.
30:31Any thoughts on what we saw there? The Kirk cousins of it all?
30:35Uh, not really that that, I mean, Mendoza comes in the game really late.
30:39He had a couple of plays over the middle scrambles around on the fourth down, gets kind of stopped down there.
30:45So I, you know, it was only eight, eight plays for Fernando Mendoza.
30:49Uh, I thought Kirk cousins was like doing all right.
30:52They just don't have enough, you know, wide receivers.
30:55Like that's where I initially when we got the Marvin Harrison news and there was like the mystery team for like the
31:0120 minutes, I was like the Raiders could use a little Marvin Harrison.
31:05And obviously he's going to go to the Texans that we know, but like, there's a reason why, you know, I wasn't
31:11the only one talking about the Raiders as a fit there.
31:15Cody white and these guys are making plays here and there, but they really do need somebody else.
31:20Yeah. We'll talk more about the Marv deal as we go along here.
31:24Cause, uh, there's a lot to speak on that.
31:26We learned actually during the Cardinals game that the broadcast brought up here.
31:30Yeah. I mean, the Raiders open three, no, they're oh, and two against the chiefs and the Patriots.
31:36And now they have the bills and the Rams in back to back weeks.
31:40I mean, the number one thing here is when you spend that high of a draft pick on Ashton Gentty, uh, you
31:46can't have a long carry for four yards, you know, even if he has a long catch of 31.
31:52Okay. We open with the reigning AFC champion, Matt, that when he, that means we need to go over to the NFC
31:58champion and actually Superbowl defenders as they lose here at home 32, 29, a narrow call against Cooper cup at the end to continue on that drive.
32:06But they stuck with it on the field. And Matt, I believe I read that there were seven combined turnovers in this game.
32:13The most total turnovers in any game so far this season that feels very on 49ers and Seahawks like this game was wild.
32:20Um, it was one of the best games of the season so far because it was so crazy.
32:25And also some superstars like the guy we're showing on the screen here, Mike Evans just absolutely showed up today.
32:31But yeah, this game had it all. Uh, we had turnovers, as you mentioned, uh, the broadcast pointed this out before the
32:38third quarter is over 38 points off seven turnovers have been this in this game.
32:42That was the most since 2017. So not only were there all these turnovers, two Darnold interceptions, a Purdy interception, George Alani
32:49lost two fumble or he fumbled twice. He lost one of them.
32:52Emmanuel Wilson fumbled. Jacob Cowan fumbled. Deebo Samuel lost a fumble where he also popped his hammy and was done for the day.
32:59Uh, Cowan also got hurt too. So like it had injuries, it had fumbles.
33:03Drake Greenlaw got kicked from the game, uh, for getting into it with the Seahawks here.
33:08So, and yeah, again, it also had these big time players like Mike Evans show up.
33:13Um, just real quick, uh, before we also had that Cooper cup fourth down Jackson Smith and Jigba.
33:18Yeah. Is it a drop? It's a really, really tough catch on third and 10 where he's got to track it over
33:25his shoulder and he's got to kind of cradle, catch it basket, catch it.
33:29He ultimately doesn't make the play, which was stunning because otherwise this was a great game for him.
33:34Five catches, 102 yards and a touchdown. His touchdown.
33:37I freeze framed it and put it out on Twitter.
33:40I was like, this guy's going to score on this play because it does not look like that from the angle.
33:46I mean, he was unbelievable in this game, but ultimately every receiver is going to have drops and, and you know, they're going to have missed opportunities.
33:54He had one at the worst time, but yeah, it was a crazy game with all of these turnovers.
33:59George Kittle didn't have his first catch until about 40 seconds left in the game and I believe dropped his first pass as well.
34:07This was a Mike Evans story here, man. He was awesome for the San Francisco 49ers and he was running clean routes.
34:13He was giving Brock Purdy a massive strike zone on these in breakers where Purdy is so aggressive and so willing to throw with a lot of anticipation.
34:21And again, Mike with just 98th percentile arms, 97th percentile height, weight, the whole deal at the wide receiver position.
34:27Like he's going to be bigger and longer than everybody until he decides to stop playing and he doesn't look like he's
34:34any close to, to, to stop playing right now.
34:36So definitely like, again, a lot of storylines here, but the big one was Mike Evans, probably not a hundred percent healthy dominates for this team.
34:44Speaker 2 And the Debo's injury seems like that's going to be long-term.
34:48So like at this point, it's going to be Mike Evans and Kittle only.
34:52So I kind of fear sometimes like with Mike Evans, like we draft him what, like the wide receiver 25 and redraft.
34:59I think we're like, you know, we're pretty tied to that, but you know, whenever he's out there and actually healthy, I
35:05feel like we should be getting like a lot closer to like wide receiver 12, especially moving forward after he had this kind of breakout performance.
35:13Speaker 2 I'm sure you guys said the same thing.
35:16Speaker 2 I know I said this a lot, like he's going to be ranked as wide receiver 25, but there's no
35:22way he's going to finish his wide receiver 25 on any given week.
35:26He's either going to finish his wide receiver 10 or 12 or wide receiver 40 because he got injured after five players or something like that.
35:34Speaker 2 But yeah, no, I mean, he's so critical to this offense right now.
35:38Cause again, Debo and cowing both got hurt. Didn't return Brandon cooks actually showed up here late in this one.
35:44Speaker 2 He had a touchdown that he had a touchdown that Mike McDonald called a timeout.
35:49And so then they had to redo the play and he catches the touchdown again anyways on a, like the same play
35:56design, but he had to break it off for a scramble with rock pretty there.
36:00I mean, I kind of feel like they're going to need Brandon cooks at this point.
36:05So yes, in other words, they need Mike Evans to stay healthy.
36:08Speaker 2 Can't we do the waiver wire tomorrow night with Joel and talk about Brandon cooks and he just fits in
36:15with the entire conversation that we've had in the opening four weeks of the season.
36:19Yeah. Harmon. I've talked about Mike Evans prior to the season where man, you know, I wish we got a 28 year
36:26old Evans with Kyle Shanahan instead of a 33 year old with, you know, the quad, the groin, the hamstrings, all this type of stuff.
36:33But so far it doesn't matter. And look, we're only five weeks in, but you know, he went six for 49 and one in the opener.
36:41Then we get to week three. He goes three catches, 34 yards and a touchdown last week, five receptions, 76 yards.
36:47And then here seven catches, 113 and one. So obviously you're starting every single week in your lineups.
36:52But Matt, we are at this point now where we have seen crazier things than someone of Mike Evans ability play for
36:5917 games when all of us sat back and said, Hey, Mike Evans isn't going to play for 17 games.
37:05Now again, there's 12 more to go. It's a long, long season left.
37:09But if, if he does play 17, then he is just a different styling of wide receiver.
37:14That's ever been paired with Brock Purdy. Uh, and you, we see it on almost a weekly basis right now, just the
37:20goal line, red zone, throw it up to him.
37:23And like you said, just be bigger than his opponent.
37:26And you know, Kyle Shanahan is an awesome play designer.
37:29That's probably the easiest play call that he has in his cheek.
37:32Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, Brady pointed this out at one point, obviously he played with Mike Evans, but Mike is also such a good route runner.
37:40In addition to the size that he can do things where again, brave someone, how he doesn't usually like his receivers to
37:47take what's ultimately going to be an in breaker and outside release it because you lose the leverage at the top of the route.
37:54But with how good from a timing perspective, Mike Evans is, and again, 98th percentile arms, just bigger than everybody else.
38:00It really doesn't matter here. So yeah, as long as he stays healthy, he's a, he's easily a wide receiver one.
38:06It's just again, how long is he going to play?
38:09Is he going to be available for all 17 weeks?
38:12Matt, just watching both sides of the ball with the Niners here, this, this defense has made more plays than what they
38:19should be given how injured they have been upfront.
38:21They're five and oh, they'd be, you know, the two best teams on paper heading into the season.
38:27Like, are we not giving the four Niners enough credit as like having maybe an argument to be the best team in the NFL right now?
38:34I'm open to it. The offense statistically in the metrics that I like to look at is the best offense in the NFL coming into this week.
38:42I'm sure that's not going to change after this one.
38:45And the defense, I would say, I guess it's probably, it's probably feisty is the way I would, I would say it.
38:52They were opportunistic in this one. They got a lot of turnovers as mentioned.
38:56The Seahawks running backs were just like taking turns, making mistakes and, you know, putting out sloppy tape in this one for sure.
39:03Emmanuel Wilson and George Solani. So I don't know how much of that credit to give to the Niners defense versus, you
39:09know, the, these guys in Seattle making mistakes, but yeah, I think they're feisty.
39:13They're opportunistic, but they're not like a lockdown defense by any means.
39:17You can definitely get this unit at different levels of the field.
39:20Anything else you want to say about Seattle's offense here?
39:23Again, I mean, Emmanuel Wilson in the absence of Judarian price and while waiting for Zach Charbonnet to come back, even if
39:30he fumbles and, you know, you mentioned how Lonnie had to, so it's not like he was going up against a star
39:36student opposite of him, but 20 carries, uh, just for 3.1 yards per pot.
39:41But like we always talk about, if you get the 20 carries, you are most likely to get the goal line touchdown, which you did.
39:48Correct. So he's a running back too every week.
39:51I mean, he's just, he's not going to be not going to wow you, you know, uh, in terms of yards after
39:57contact, he's not going to be absolutely insane in terms of these big, big plays, but he can break tackles.
40:03He finds the holes. He hits it. Um, I would say from a Holani perspective and I like some of what Holani has done.
40:10This was a Zach Charbonnet fantasy stock up without playing a single snap type game.
40:15Cause that was just a really rough showing for him.
40:18Yeah, totally. And I'll add with Emmanuel Wilson. Like I think in the opening three games, he only had two receptions last week.
40:24He had three receptions and then today another two.
40:27So these are just like small incremental things that continue to go in his favor.
40:31All right, we'll move on to one of the calamitous sequences and actions of the week.
40:36Giants 27, commanders 27. We're going to have two separate recaps here.
40:40Okay. First we need to talk about the end of game sequence.
40:43Cause that is the star of the show. Uh, obviously the giants get down to the 24 yard line.
40:49All that they need is a field goal to win because both teams have already had a possession, but the giants kicker
40:55has already missed two on the day, 50 yards and 46 yards.
40:59So hard ball wants to continue to chunk out as many gains as possible.
41:03So cam scatterboot run up the middle. He fumbles the ball.
41:06It's inexcusable on a day where he honestly did very little and Najee Harris and Tyron Tracy, both started drives and soft
41:13snaps inside the 10 yard line in this contest.
41:15Uh, so from there, the commanders get the ball one minute, 55 seconds, no timeouts on their own 24 yard line, 16 yards land immediately to the 40.
41:24That's great. Then they get 35 yards on the next three plays to get them down to the opposing 26 yard line.
41:30There's 55 seconds to go again. Clock is a non factor in terms of needing to drain it because the game ends.
41:37If you just kick a field goal, they just went 51 yards in one minute, but this is where the funkiness comes in.
41:44The commanders hand it off for a gain of two.
41:47They drained the clock down to 12 seconds. Again, the clock should not exist at this point.
41:52They call a drop back and Jane Daniels does not throw away.
41:55Instead. It's like a magnet to midfield. He runs directly to the line of scrimmage gets down and the clock runs out.
42:02So either we have three things here, either Dan Quinn didn't know that he only had two timeouts to start overtime and
42:08not three or David Blau, the offensive coordinator wasn't in Jayden Daniels ear saying anything like throw the ball away, no matter
42:15what, or Jane Daniels is at fault and totally lacked game awareness in a moment where just a throwaway sets them up
42:21for a game winning field goal or Hayden. All three are possibilities here.
42:25Truly one of the stupidest sequences we've seen from two teams in the league and especially for the commanders that leave with
42:32a tie instead of a win in a game that they dominated for the first three quarters.
42:37Speaker 2 I'm sure coaches can communicate more, but looking at the actual play that was called, they slid the entire offensive
42:43line to the right, which is like kind of a designed play to the left to throw the ball away.
42:49And Jaden Daniels just runs up and slides. And then Jaden Daniels awareness after sliding.
42:53There was also no sense of urgency after that.
42:56And to me, that's where I'm like, look, we can yell at the coach.
43:00It's very easy. I Dan Quinn, yada, yada, yada.
43:03But I mean, if you're at the start quarterback, you should know how many timeouts you have before the drive starts, how the drives unfolding.
43:10And to me, just looking at the play call, that's a classic situation.
43:14You roll out to the left, you have a couple seconds and then you throw the ball for either more yards out
43:21of bounds, or you just throw the ball away and then you kick up the field goal.
43:26So to me, that's who's at fault. Jaden Daniels.
43:28I think you can obviously communicate more, but I mean, this is the play call looks like it's supposed to be a throwaway.
43:35Yeah, Matt, just real quick. I want to propose two quotes here, one from Jane Daniels and one from another offensive player starting offensive lineman in the huddle.
43:43Okay. Jane Daniels was asked about the sequence after the game.
43:47He said, quote, we've got to relay that as an offense.
43:50It starts with everyone top down. Ultimately it's on me.
43:53Then Chris Paul, again, starting offensive lineman for this team.
43:56Did the commander's offense know they didn't have any timeouts left in the final drive over time?
44:01He said, yes, that was talked about in the huddle.
44:04Your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I also saw Dan Quinn and look, you could be mad at yourself, obviously take his and smash it on the ground too.
44:12So he was pretty clearly frustrated with what happened on the field.
44:16Yeah. This was just a, you know, a brain fart moment, I guess for the quarterback when you, when you probably can
44:22or somebody, somebody had a brain fart moment when you can't, when you can't have one.
44:27So, I mean, one way or another, what an obnoxious way to ultimately lose that game.
44:32Because yeah, I think for a lot of you from what I saw in this game, which wasn't much, Josh, it did
44:38feel like the commanders were the better team at times.
44:41Yeah. I will add if your head coach doesn't call place, you have to be like perfect in in-game situation.
44:47Yes. I mean, come on. And you know, Harbaugh also doesn't call place.
44:51So this is kind of like them pointing at each other for, for how this game ended.
44:56Okay. So the actual game here, the commanders, like I mentioned, were the dominant team for three quarters.
45:01They were up 27 to 13 after like the first drive of the fourth quarter.
45:06We all wanted to see what Jane Daniels looked like coming off of a dislocated elbow once again, while he scrambled on
45:12the second snap and was an incredible scrambler all day.
45:15He was very decisive directly up the middle instead of like these scrambles that we see stringing it along to the outside
45:22that gave him a 38 yard touchdown up the middle, a 26 yard touchdown up the middle.
45:27Even Bill Krosky Merrick kicked it off with a 33 yard touchdown on the opening drive.
45:31By the way, that ends an 18 game streak with no opening drive touchdown for the commanders.
45:36That streak is finally broken here. Chico Cuoncuo was featured early 12 yards, 25 yard gain, another nice chunk in a split flow action.
45:44Unfortunately, who entered this game with an injury was Terry McLaurin played only 36 of 62 snaps.
45:49But really in the end for this commanders offense, Matt, it got to a point where in the fourth quarter, they had
45:55no answer for a zero blitz and basically went three and out for the final three drives in the fourth quarter as
46:02the giants were trying to work their way back into it.
46:05And the giants kept spamming that over and over and over again.
46:08And then finally, their sequence was, oh, we're going to throw a screen to Deami Brown.
46:13And of course, Matt, he fumbles. Yeah. What a shock there.
46:16It felt like a lot of Terry. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
46:20It felt like a lot of Terry's production came late in the, yeah, we wanted you to be limited, but we got to win this game right now.
46:29Okay. So let's get out there. He's ultimately the leading receiver.
46:32This team just doesn't have a lot. You know, they don't, they don't have a lot, especially when digs is not playing.
46:39I like Antonio Williams, but he's a rookie receiver.
46:41And then these other guys like Brown and trail and Burks, I know Burks had a couple, like at least one decent catch I saw on this one.
46:49But yeah, ultimately like these guys are their role players who shouldn't be featured pieces.
46:54Yeah. The big takeaway was just Jane Daniel is fast.
46:57I mean, they tried to spy him with two of the most athletic linebackers in the league and he just totally outran them.
47:04Tremaine Edmonds was truly a spy. He works his way with his eyes to the right side and then takes off to the left.
47:11Uh, and then Tremaine Edmonds can't catch him on that 38 yarder.
47:14And then the 26 yarder was Arvel Reese doing the exact same thing.
47:18And I mean, Jane Daniels is back in that regard.
47:21And I actually think as a thrower, he looked quite good when, uh, you know, he was given time and threw down
47:28the field, uh, Hayden on the opposite side. As for the giants, maybe this is my evaluation speaking.
47:33I thought James Winston was terrible for three quarters, but then they played really quick in the fourth quarter and hit on
47:39big third and fourth downs against a lot of zero blitz looks.
47:43Uh, and that's when they scored a whole bunch of points, including 14.
47:47Um, now they ran 84 place, but I want to point out that Malik neighbors had 20 targets in this game for
47:5311 receptions and 121 yards in a score. And Isaiah likely had 13 targets, 11 for 94 and two touchdowns.
47:59I will also add that Malik neighbors day could have been even better.
48:03Uh, he before half had a touchdown versus zero blitz that went off his fingertips.
48:08He had another go off his hands in the end zone on in the fourth quarter with zero touch on it.
48:14But Hayden, it was great to see him back to this level.
48:17And despite all the quotes that we get leading up to games, he played 79 of 89 snaps today.
48:23Speaker 2 Yeah, James can play bad and Malik neighbors and likely can go crazy if they're going to get 37 and
48:2924% of the targets and the giants defense, like they're better than they were last year.
48:34They're not way better than last year. That's to me, that secondary still always going to struggle with no Brian Burns and
48:41James is like, you know, even when he's playing bad, he's still going to give his guys opportunities and they're just not
48:47going to design anything for Malachi fields, Dio Johnson.
48:50The running backs, uh, aren't catching passes. So it's kind of one where like, I need to like almost stop watching the
48:56Jamis Winston tape and just trusting that the box score production is going to be there for these guys.
49:02Cause I was a little bit nervous. I'm like neighbors going into this game, really rainy conditions that he wasn't going to have his usual day.
49:10And then, you know, the giants kind of get into this carnival game and that's all for not Speaker 2 0 5,
49:16it feels like if you have Malik neighbors on your fancy team, you need to just do two things.
49:22Don't watch the tape on James Winston. If you're a tape grinder and two just maybe mute Malik neighbors on Twitter.
49:28Like you don't need to hear his, uh, updates going into the game about how he's feeling worse or whatever.
49:34Because I mean, listen, he's an honest guy. I appreciate it.
49:37But yeah, if you can't handle that, it's just like it is what it is.
49:42Cause he gets out there and he's been balling these last two weeks.
49:45I still don't think he looks a hundred percent, which I mean again, 85 or whatever he is, percent of Malik neighbors
49:52is better than a hell of a lot of other receivers out there.
49:56Yeah. I'll also add, there were some weird sequences here in that JJ McCarthy played four snaps and every single time he
50:02came in, it was some type of a jet sweep action slash zone read in the opposite direction.
50:08They were basically giving him design carries that I guess were part of the playbook with Jackson dart and none of them worked.
50:14I mean, they look, they look so stupid. I saw them.
50:18They look, it was the stupidest four snaps ever.
50:20I don't know why they did this. This goes back to, I think some coaching malpractice from the giants in, and there's
50:27even this one weird sequence where it was second and four from the five yard line.
50:32So nearly second and goal. And they do one of these stupid plays from JJ McCarthy on second down.
50:37And then, so they have to jog him off and Jamis onto the field for third and four.
50:43That exchange happens so slowly that they take a delay of game.
50:46So that sets them up on third and nine.
50:49And then Jamis throws a horrific goal line interception.
50:51Uh, that is thankfully called back to, I think a ticky tack defensive pass interference penalty.
50:56So this is not a situation that I think the giants are good.
51:00Uh, the giants still have their issues. And I would even go to cam Scadaboo too, who did play the majority of
51:07snaps, but this is not even close, like a bell cow role.
51:10Uh, because again, I'll reiterate that Najee Harris and Tyrone Tracy both started some drives and also got snaps inside the 10 yard line.
51:17Again, I'm not expecting to play 84 total snaps, but he did.
51:21I think he played every overtime snap and then got four of his 13 carries, uh, in overtime.
51:26But again, the last one equal to fumble. Yeah.
51:29And Scadaboo, he's just not catching nearly as many passes.
51:32Like last, last season, he was on pace to finish top five or so in running back receptions.
51:37And this year is just not adding up. So I think he's getting very hard to trust.
51:42He's, he's definitely more of a flex play than an RB two at this point.
51:46And you know, like it can always get worse if they decide the fumbles and his explosive lack of explosiveness isn't, isn't enough.
51:53Matt, we led the show talking about some offenses that might need fixing.
51:57Well, the green Bay Packers 31 points in week five as they demolish the Chicago bears who are winning with backup quarterbacks.
52:04Not anymore. 31 to seven here. And I see Jordan love three 67, two scores.
52:08I see Christian Watson, one 43, two scores. I see Matthew Golden six for one 23.
52:13I also see Marshawn Lloyd with two touchdowns to talk to me.
52:16Yeah, I'm actually going to start with Marshawn Lloyd just real quick because Kevin Zeitler got his first start in this one at right guard.
52:24They have plugged in these true bandaid fixes along the offensive line.
52:27And I'm not going to say that it's great, but I'm definitely going to say that it's better than what we were getting.
52:34You see 10 carries for 31 yards for Marshawn Lloyd.
52:37That doesn't really tell the story. I think he actually had a couple of nice runs in this one, including on his
52:44touchdown where he showed some patience and some power and physicality to get into the end zone, which was a nice welcome
52:50development for Marshawn Lloyd because I wouldn't say that patience or power have ever really been a part of his game.
52:56And that was on his first touchdown there. So yeah, the run game is at least in this one, not a complete
53:03joke, but the story is of course, the passing game here.
53:06Jordan love had six completions of 25 plus yards.
53:09The most by any quarterback in a game this year.
53:12He had two completions of 50 plus yards. I mean, he was just truly launching that thing.
53:17The first one to Christian Watson on the touchdown just is up the left side.
53:21They kind of lost him in coverage, but big play to Christian Watson.
53:25Christian Watson's second touchdown. I mean, that's one of those where if you actually slow down and watch it, everybody during the
53:32scouting process is going to be like, you can't attack the football that way.
53:36You can't attack the football that way. Look at his hands all stretched out.
53:40He's going to, and then you know what? He just kind of catches it off Dylan Theanaman's back essentially there, which was a great play by Christian Watson.
53:48So two huge touchdowns for Christian Watson in this one, Matthew golden.
53:52Also, he has his biggest explosive play where he just gets on top of jail and Johnson immediately on a corner route
53:58where at the break point of the route, he does a really nice sweet move to, to break it to the outside.
54:05Matthew golden. Also, I mean, this game, a lot of comments after the game that we can get into on both sides here.
54:11Golden. I think I saw this live. I think he might've intentionally run, run onto like run over a bear staffer on
54:18the sideline and then Cairo Santos, the bears kicker tried to trip him.
54:22So these two teams definitely hate each other, which made this game a lot of fun, both before during and after it.
54:28But yeah, also Tucker craft gets a 46 yard catch here.
54:32This was the Jordan love like fire show that we were hoping to see this season and a little bit of, yeah,
54:38the bears defense was kind of getting away with it on some turnovers and some kind of funkiness on the backend disruption up front.
54:45But when you can get protection, which Jordan love got some protection today.
54:49It wasn't perfect. We got some protection. He can absolutely still just launch that thing down the field.
54:54Yeah. That's what we talked about when you live and die by the deep ball.
54:59And like, sometimes like they kind of three and out this thing or those are the occasional interception.
55:04But when this thing's going, like the Packers are like such a blast to watch a couple of those.
55:10Jordan love took some huge hits and because he's so big and strong, he, he jumps off the ground to throw some
55:16of these as well, which I absolutely love. Uh, and to me, you can make an argument.
55:21These top two wide receivers are the fastest top two wide receivers in the league.
55:26I'd have to sit there and like actually think about that.
55:29But Matthew golden is absolutely flying. Christian Watson has, has always been that fast, but these guys have been beating players off
55:35the line of scrimmage, uh, at times, but also like you said, the Christian Watson just dunking on guys as well.
55:42So I'm seeing some motion plays in the replays that I've seen, uh, some fun stuff from, from the floor in this one.
55:48And then Dylan, the enemy had a pretty, pretty tough day in coverage, working over the middle of the field.
55:54I thought they were kind of picking on him.
55:57I mean, yeah, real quick on Matthew golden. Go ahead.
56:00Yeah. Real quick on Matthew golden. Like when he, I mean, I, again, Jalen Johnson has been great this year.
56:06He's kind of been getting dunked on, but that was a true.
56:09If he's even, he's leaving moment for Matthew golden on the big corner route there.
56:14He's playing so much faster and decisive this year and beyond just like kind of natural year two improvement.
56:20I also think the thing that matters a lot for him, he's just in a much more clearly defined role that I
56:26think fits his skillset, uh, where last year they kind of bumped him into all different roles.
56:31And especially once Jaden Reed got hurt to kind of put him into that like slot gimmicky role, which that just is not like golden.
56:38You want them on a straight line and just like snapping off routes.
56:42So I'm buying, uh, what I'm seeing for Matthew golden for sure.
56:46Like it's been more than enough evidence at this point.
56:49A hundred percent. I know the people that watch this channel ended up with a lot of Christian Watson and or Matthew golden, uh, this summer.
56:57Yeah. I'm Matt, this is such a different world that we live in with the Packers wide receivers this year where we
57:03had to deal with like five of their names over the last two years.
57:07And literally it's just two now because the next closest wide receiver was bow Melton for three for 20.
57:13If you want to call him a wide receiver, cause he's been tried out at cornerback on the same roster, you know?
57:19So it's, it's really these two guys and, and that's it at 11.8 yards per attempt for Jordan.
57:25Love is outrageous stuff. His passing chart is so cool where.
57:28You know, the intermediate portion just does not exist for him.
57:31It is everything is 10 yards or lower or 25 yards and deeper.
57:35And we always just talk about him as an ambitious thrower.
57:38And that is 100% the case this week. Okay.
57:41Looking at the bears. Um, they have won games in the past with case Keenum.
57:45They've won a game in the past with Tyson Bay.
57:48Uh, Harmon, look at the box score. They can't win the game when both play.
57:53Did, did Beijing get benched? What happened here? Yeah.
57:55Beijing got benched, um, late in this one. And then case Keenum just kind of comes in for a check down show
58:02basically is the best way I can. It was like at the beginning of the fourth quarter and it was pretty much the two, there were two outcomes.
58:10Once case Keenum got onto the field, he was checking the ball down to running backs or in the flats, or he was getting absolutely obliterated.
58:18And that was something that was really notable in this game.
58:21The Packers got a lot of pressure on these two quarterbacks and just like, especially on, on Beijing, they were just blitzing the hell out of him.
58:29Jonathan Gannon, I thought called a great game all day long.
58:32They dominated the line of scrimmage up front with these guys.
58:36Um, 24% blitz rate. So it wasn't a ton of blitzes, but they were really timing and really well-timed and really effective.
58:42And then once case Keenum came in there, it was just a complete, like I said, pressure show.
58:47He was either getting crushed in the pocket or he was checking the ball down really quickly.
58:52And I also thought too, from a Packers defense perspective, they were just sniffing out all of the cutesy BS behind the
58:59line of scrimmage stuff with the bears. And that was a lot of what they were doing in this one.
59:05The Kalief Raymond plays have gone from white hot in the first three weeks to some of the worst stuff that they're putting on tape these last weeks.
59:13And especially today. Yeah. Three for, especially today. Say like the only way they could really consistently get the ball to Luther
59:20burden is on these like Mickey Mouse gimmicky stuff.
59:22So yeah, honestly, the bears just, they really had nothing today.
59:26They were on the ball decently to start, but then they quickly just fell behind and kind of abandoned that.
59:32They had nothing through the air. That sounds like we're going to get Caleb Williams back next week.
59:37That's just based off of the, some of the quotes that I saw, assuming we do get that back, get him back.
59:43I mean, have we learned anything with Luther burden versus Roma duns a versus Colson level and versus Kalief Raymond?
59:49Was there any reason to move off of any of our priors in this one?
59:54Because once again, like nobody really stands out in this one Colson level and only five targets on all these drop backs as well.
60:01Like, what are we supposed to do with this mess?
60:04Speaker 2 I think I don't want to overreact too much to just like these individual game sample sizes without the quarterback
60:10here in terms of the actual potency of any individual player.
60:14Speaker 2 It has like Luther burden, by the way, Zyra, frankly, Zyra Franklin laid into him after the game because burden
60:20had a quote where he said he wanted to make those guys quit in terms of the Packers.
60:25And Zyra Franklin was like, that guy's not made any plays in the league.
60:30Speaker 2 He's done nothing in the league and he quit today.
60:33Essentially, you know, frankly, like, yeah, there was a lot.
60:36There was some lifelessness from the bears offense late in this game.
60:40I'm not going to say anybody quit, but it was again, he didn't really have any plays beyond the gimmicky stuff at this point.
60:47So that's at least worth worthwhile to think about the Loveland stuff is the one that's really, really hard to explain because
60:53he's just not involved in the office. Speaker 2 He never gets these priority looks and I think he's the one that
61:00I've probably changed the priors on the most because I was expecting him to be the focal point and he's not.
61:06That's the thing that I think really comes away from these stretch of games here is that it really is very crowded in this room.
61:13Everybody has their kind of individual role. I don't really think anybody's grown out of that.
61:18I mean, even for Roma duns day who I love is a separator.
61:22He's kind of in that Deontay Johnson zone right now where he makes just one or two stupid, stupid plays a game
61:28that it's like, well, I can show you the 30 great routes he ran, but you can come right back with a
61:35dumb drop or a fumble that he basically caused on his own here in this one.
61:40So it's tough to defend that like that's just that's where he is.
61:43Loveland's like just mysteriously not involved. Maybe that changes burden.
61:46I think it's just kind of been in the same old role and then Raymond still hanging around here as well.
61:53So my big takeaway is just it's really crowded in this room and I don't know that anybody's gonna fully fully run away with it.
62:00Yeah, it's time for Caleb. They're on the road against the Falcons next week.
62:04Then they quickly turn around on Thursday night football against the Patriots in the defense that they just posted.
62:10Uh, and then it's on the road for Monday night football against the Seattle Seahawks.
62:14Those are the next three. So yeah, it's, it's time to get Caleb back.
62:18Let's talk about the Bengals and the Dolphins. Um, look all week long, you know, me and the waiver show.
62:24I talk up Micah Sicki. I talk about Dante Myers.
62:27Cause of course, Jamar Chase and T Higgins aren't going to play in this one.
62:32Well, Hayden, we were wrong. Uh, both barely practiced this week and both played.
62:36Uh, Jamar Chase is a good one. Chase six for 77 and one touchdown.
62:40And really on the day on just 190 yards, Joe Burrow, four touchdowns as the Bengals win 31 to 24.
62:46And I'll say it the feisty. I won five dolphins, but the dolphins and this season is going directly and likely how they wanted it to.
62:54Well, first of all, on the waiver wire, like Wednesday waiver wire has a good ring to it.
62:59Like that's something that, you know, getting an extra day of, of, of information could be pretty nice.
63:04I'll just throw that out there. If anyone from Yahoo is paying attention.
63:08As well. Um, but yeah, I will say just Sicki scores a touchdown immediately.
63:12Uh, but he had only two targets. So the people that woke up hung over, missed the injury reports, and then all
63:19of a sudden kept Sicki in their lineup. Congrats on your 6.4 points or whatever you have.
63:24And this one, uh, and then Myers as well.
63:26He was still a big part of the story.
63:29Cause he had a really big opening return and then also stepped out of bounds on a kick return at his own five yard line.
63:36So he was still involved in this one. Uh, but the Bengals.
63:40It was the exact same Bengals that we've watched for the last five years.
63:44They don't do any of the under center stuff.
63:47There was three under center, uh, drop backs in this one.
63:50This was quick out to Jamar chase T Higgins on a couple slant routes over the middle later in the game.
63:56Jamar chase way over the top on occasion, but this is get the ball out shotgun throw whatever.
64:02It's the same old story here. Like we are throw away anything, any off season stuff that we talked about.
64:08This is the exact same Bengals offense that we've seen for the last five years.
64:12This is also what every offense is going to look like against the dolphins.
64:16We talked about it on every single ranking show ahead of this matchup that the dolphins were literally allowing 90% completion rate
64:23on throws 10 yards and short and look at exactly where everything is this week.
64:27Oh yeah. And then what TJ Hawkinson did to them last week.
64:31Like they're just allowing these easy, simple throws over and over and over.
64:34And then, yeah, you can take one shot play down the field.
64:38And, and like they did to Jordan Addison last week in here.
64:42And it's just, you know, Jamar chase and rinse and repeat.
64:45This is what you get against the dolphins defense every single week.
64:48Uh, Hayden, I do want to ask you about the running backs actually.
64:52Um, because every single week we also talk about chase Brown being a buy low and we said, Hey, this is the week that it's going to happen.
65:00This is the game. It's going to happen. Uh, 13 carries for 39 yards, three receptions for 21.
65:06Still not good enough. It wasn't good enough. You had a fumble in this one as well.
65:11Samaji P Ryan gets, uh, rookie Jacob Rodriguez on an angle route for a touchdown.
65:15Also there was another touchdown if you go on, on who, uh, against Jacob Rodriguez.
65:20I think that was the sick one. So Jacob Rodriguez, uh, compiling a bunch of tackles, but kind of got lost in coverage in this one.
65:27Uh, yeah, with chase Brown, he's not a superstar talent.
65:30He doesn't break enough tackles. He doesn't, rip off enough explosive plays.
65:34I think he's a competent NFL starter across the board, but there's just a difference between watching him and the other guys that he was drafted next to.
65:42I think it's kind of as simple as that.
65:45The fumble didn't help in this one, but he's never going to be Mr.
65:4950 yard explosive play. He's going to catch a couple passes in the flats for touchdowns.
65:54He's going to, you know, for the most part, be the goal line back here.
65:58Uh, but you know, drafting him 15th overall and like versus how good his tape is.
66:03I think there's probably just a little bit of a disconnect between that.
66:07Uh, he's not like Omarion Hampton where he's like straight up, like might actually be bad.
66:11He's, he's a fine player. Uh, but you know, we should probably aim for a little bit higher of a ceiling than fine.
66:18And I think that's the fact of the matter is they're not going to do the under center stuff where like his
66:25ceiling could, could have raised because they're going to rip off more explosives under center.
66:29That experiments like kind of already dried up within five weeks.
66:32And with their defense, not being the again, tough with the dolphins today, but their defense, not being the stone worst in the NFL.
66:40I think that also just takes off some of the play volume, which allows them to not get those kind of compiler receptions as well.
66:47I guess that would also probably, I mean, you could tell me if I'm wrong here, but that feels like part of the theory as well.
66:55Yep. Totally agree. And Hey, and I know the Bengals are on a buy coming up, but to T Higgins leave this one fine.
67:02Like it seemed to me with chase, you know, getting through concussion protocol.
67:06That one is cut and dry, but T Higgins coming in with an adductor, the groin injury, uh, that seemed, you know,
67:12here or there, that this one could go in that direction.
67:15Yeah. You went DNP, DNP, and then full. And then when I saw the full, I'm like, I'm guessing he's just going to be himself.
67:23He ran 28 of 34, uh, drop backs in this one.
67:26He had a drop, uh, had a couple slant wins, but nothing, nothing substantial in this one.
67:31Um, I think what you said, Josh, like, because the linebackers and the communication on this defense is just, it's by far
67:38the youngest defense in the NFL, uh, and chop Robinson, you get home on occasion as a, as a edge rusher there.
67:44But if you can just kind of like quickly dink and dunk run a couple routes where you kind of just change directions.
67:51Like we've seen Kittle and Kelsey and those guys run like very similar routes for explosives.
67:56If you're just going to get layups like that, like there's really is just no need for like T Higgins to be
68:02dunking on guys way down the field in this one, by the way, that second dot, there's a little white dot on
68:09that Joe burrow, uh, passing chart that went incomplete.
68:11Um, and I think that's a great job. And if you're not going to get a listen from anybody, they're like, we're trying, we're competing.
68:19This isn't good enough. And there's kind of like a no excuses mindset, but also like the head coach and Malik, uh,
68:25Willis stuff like they understand what this team is.
68:28This team could win one game this year. I was looking at their schedule and stuff.
68:33Like it's hard to predict a team to win literally zero games this year.
68:37I don't think this team's getting to three wins.
68:39I think they're that far behind all over the place on both sides of the ball.
68:44But that schedule is not the easiest one. And they're feisty, simply not talented enough.
68:49Yeah, it feels like the Bengals are involved in every game that they play, like one or one and a half score games right now.
68:56And then you look at it. I know we've barely seen Caleb Douglas, but I thought he flashed in the opening two weeks of the season.
69:04Chris Bell, his best play has been taken away, but the eye test is there.
69:08And those are two wide receivers you can build around.
69:11Caden Crocker's a massive human being and paired with Aaron Brewer and Patrick Paul that can make up your left side of your offensive line.
69:18Then on defense, Jacob Rodriguez is already racking up a ton of tackles.
69:22Chris Johnson is flashing at the cornerback spot. Like they've hit on a ton of rookies that you can build around.
69:29And yet they are going 0-5, yet staying competitive on a weekly basis.
69:32We can talk about like the Ollie Gordon of it all.
69:36And yeah, he's back to back now with touchdowns with 18 carries and 88 yards.
69:40And our guy, Malik Washington, Matt, six receptions for 43 yards.
69:43You love to see it as the PPR scam of the season.
69:47But just overall, I think this is going exactly how the long view of the Dolphins should be.
69:52Yeah, the Malik Washington thing is so funny because he's like top 15-ish, like tied with Justin Jefferson in targets per route run.
69:59But every week it ends up with like six catches for 43 yards.
70:03And I think he actually looks pretty decent. It's just they don't run any plays whatsoever.
70:08Yeah, Hayden, any thoughts on Ollie Gordon? Because, I mean, we get Devon Achan out of here and now suddenly the Dolphins run game is cooking.
70:15What's up with that? Yeah, Ollie Gordon had, I mean, he easily led the team in snaps here.
70:21Jalen Wright, six carries for 11 yards. Ollie Gordon had, I would say probably four or five runs that went for about 10-ish yards.
70:28He had a long of 22 as well. He's not going to catch the ball at all.
70:33But he's by far the biggest boy in the backfield, Josh.
70:36And that means he's going to get the goal line work.
70:39There's not going to be that much goal line work in this.
70:43Malik Willis had a goal line touchdown himself in complete garbage time.
70:46The Malik Willis stuff just spent a second on him.
70:49Both interceptions were just like in the inexcusable variety.
70:52Like there was a very clear check down that I thought on the one that got tipped.
70:57And then the other one, he flushes himself out of the pocket, throws kind of across his body for an interception.
71:03He can't be having those plays. There was also a fumble when he was stepping up in the pocket as well.
71:09Those are three very critical mistakes. You'll see some air yards in the spreadsheets here.
71:14Those are absolute prayers down the field. Those should not count.
71:17Those should just be evaporated from the spreadsheets. Malik Washington, he has a carry that goes for 18 yards.
71:23Chris Bell, end around 26 yards up the sideline.
71:25That's a big guy that's running pretty fast. Chris Bell is pretty intriguing, not for fantasy this year, but just like as
71:32a Dolphins fan, if there's anybody left out there.
71:35But yeah, Malik Willis still made a couple plays on the run.
71:38He had an awesome scramble for 39 yards as well.
71:41So like, you know, it's maybe a step down from what I was hoping for with Malik Willis, just watching him, like the consistency.
71:48There's a couple flashes there, but just too many fatal, fatal mistakes.
71:52And I think a lot of them are like squarely because of him.
71:56Matt, prediction time. I think the phrase, I'm Dolphins curious is going to be a very popular one after this season, depending on the quarterback that land.
72:04Just based on what this environment could potentially be in like the story you can write for yourself.
72:09All right. Well, I mean, I did it with the Cardinals this offseason.
72:13I don't know if I got the stomach to do it again two times in a row.
72:18We'll see. Well, I want to send it right back to you for our next game.
72:22The Minnesota Vikings are frickin five and oh, and they beat the New Orleans Saints here 23 to 13.
72:28Now there might be some asterisk on that. What we'll talk about in a moment.
72:33But Matt, the number one question we have to ask ourselves because we knew the Vikings defense was number one in the league.
72:39What about their offense? What is it? At least the box score reads Kyler Murray, 24, 30, 229, one touchdown, just two sacks taken.
72:46I ask this question every week, but Matt, what did we learn in week five?
72:51Yeah, we should definitely come back to the Vikings defense because this actually the game with the Saints went exactly as you'd expect.
72:58Like we could have simmed this one and like everything that we said about it was correct.
73:03But OK, so on the offensive side of it, though, I do think we learned a couple of things about Kyler Murray specifically.
73:09He was he was pretty good in this game and his little safety blanket from last week.
73:15TJ Hawkinson got a concussion basically right away was out for the game completely gone.
73:19Justin Jefferson rules. Not that that's something we didn't know already, but his touchdown.
73:23If you guys haven't seen it, you should definitely go back and watch the replay.
73:28He is in the slot. He gets like kind of tangled up with one defender, gets free, pushes powers through it.
73:34Basically, it's corner out in the back of the end zone.
73:37Three defenders vacuum towards him and he still catches the ball.
73:40So we talked about this on stats versus film where a lot of the offense last week felt like kind of the
73:47worst versions of the Kevin O'Connell boom and bust nature, the Kyler Murray boom and bust nature and Jordan Addison being your lead receiver.
73:54Addison doesn't play in this game, but you get Justin Jefferson back.
73:57That makes a whole hell of a lot of difference.
74:00But Kyler was again. He was pretty solid in this game started out 11 of 11.
74:05I thought he was fast and explosive. This was the best.
74:08I think he's looked as a runner in quite some time.
74:12Once he made a decision to get out of there, the Saints defenders were kind of just pulling their hair out trying to get him on the ground.
74:20He looked again very fast, very explosive and notably today to Kyler Murray was 21 of 24 today for 204 yards and
74:26a touchdown from the shotgun or pistol. He was only three of six for 35 under center.
74:31So there's definitely a little bit of blending of the worlds here in terms of what Kyler Murray wants to do and
74:38what Kevin O'Connell has traditionally done with these quarterbacks.
74:41So you can tell yourself a story that as these guys work more and more together, they can kind of meet in the middle here.
74:48And I kind of have some similar notes on the run game as well.
74:52I agree on the Kyler Murray speed that he had that one scramble to the right sideline that I saw where he was looking so fast.
75:00Um, so completely agree there. And yeah, the 51 rushing yards, like that's how he can kind of maintain like as a top 12 ish quarterback.
75:08Cause we've seen a lot lesser quarterbacks kind of finished that way for, uh, for fans in this offense.
75:13So, uh, looking at the passing chart, not a whole lot over the middle.
75:17Like there's a couple of turndowns that I saw, but Kyler's like ball placement and like ability to kind of throw on the run.
75:24Like if you got Justin Jefferson, a one-on-one and stuff like I don't want to like completely overthink the throwing over the middle stuff.
75:31Like you can throw the ball deep on time to Justin Jefferson.
75:35Like that's going to be able to carry, carry an offense enough given how good the defense is.
75:40Yeah. You're going to leave plays on the field when this is part of it.
75:45But when you have one of the best, if not the best receiver in the entire world, uh, and the run game is humming here.
75:5225 carries for Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is a beast, man.
75:55I know he's not going to say healthy. He even got banged up in this one when he, he, he fumbled, I
76:02think at the goal, yeah, fumbles at the goal line, uh, but returns and later scores a touchdown and his touchdown is a gap run.
76:09There's a puller. It's just true power football. And he barrels his way in there.
76:14So I know he's not here for a long time, but man, he's here for a good time is.
76:19Aaron Jones. So, uh, we'll see what the split looks like when they get back from the buy and Jordan Mason presumably returns as well.
76:27But Aaron Jones has been very good. And I, again, this is a very similar where you've, they want it to be,
76:33I think, outside zone team coming into the year.
76:36They talked a lot about that, but they have slowly, but surely just been ripping those plays out of the playbook and
76:42putting more of these power gap runs in here.
76:45And at least on the Jones part of it, he's responding to that extremely well.
76:50Matt, I have a big picture question to ask you.
76:53So if you need a moment to answer it, I totally understand.
76:56Okay. Our buddy Ian Harditz posted that the Vikings this season, defensive EPA per play number one in the NFL.
77:02That is not a surprise when you watch them on a weekly basis.
77:06And we'll talk about them right now if you want, but offensive EPA per play is 32nd.
77:11So where do you think this Vikings offense can get to?
77:14Like, where do they need to get to in order to match and maybe win the Superbowl because their defense is playing
77:21like a super caliber winning defense right now? Yeah.
77:23EPA wise, they're 32nd. Um, in terms of the metrics that I look again, this is coming into this week.
77:29So I haven't updated the numbers yet, but they're about like, yeah, 25th best offense in the league.
77:35Uh, if you kind of take a amalgamation of amalgamation of all these different metrics, um, their success rates just super low.
77:41They're going to be kind of boom bust. I think if they can get, I don't know about Superbowl.
77:47I mean, Superbowl is a lot. I don't know if I trust this office Superbowl, but yeah, great.
77:52I mean, that's different than playing the best teams in the NFL and kind of doing that in January, which is the
77:59saints are not the best, one of the best teams in the NFL.
78:02We'll talk about this second, but, um, yeah, I would say we got to get closer to like 15 to 17, which,
78:09you know, that is quite a bit of ways to go.
78:12Yeah. And I think part of that defensive NBA, and again, this defense is unreal, but you face Caleb Williams in that
78:19storm and he pulls his hamstring going in for a touchdown.
78:22Then you face this version of Baker Mayfield with Tampa Bay, then you face the dolphins and here you face the saints.
78:28Um, Matt, let's talk about that saints offense. Tyler Shucks 16 of 25 for 96 yards, 3.8 yards per attempt, two interceptions, one sack.
78:35Uh, and I feel like I saw one question if he broke his left hand or not.
78:41And he said, I basically can't reveal that information.
78:43So what it looked like today. It looks like he broke his hand, uh, cause he was landing off the ball with his with one hand all game.
78:51So he probably broke his hand. Um, but yeah, this game wasn't even as close as the final score leads you to
78:58believe if you're looking at the saints offense, cause Jonas Sanker recovered and returned a fumble for 87 yards, which ultimately tied the game.
79:05Uh, and then the Vikings offense was able to put it away.
79:09The saints offenses. I mean, it literally had nothing in this one.
79:12Uh, in the first half, Brian Flores blitz Tyler Shuck on 91% of his dropbacks.
79:17And then they called it. It's the best. It was out.
79:20It was out. Out. Out. And then to put poor salt on the wound, they back off of it only a mere
79:2640% pressure rate in the second half. But next gen stats noticed that they had, they got more pressure on Tyler Shuck when not blitzing than when blitzing.
79:35So, uh, yeah, it was just that offensive line against that front.
79:38We knew it was going to be a mismatch.
79:41It absolutely was a mismatch. They were held the saints offense to a 2.3% explosive play rate.
79:46Just one explosive play on the day, a 16 yarder to Chris Olave.
79:50That is the lowest explosive play rate in a game in the next gen stats era.
79:54So since 2016, uh, is when they're starting that one.
79:57So, I mean, literally again, everything we said about this game, where it was going to be a mismatch.
80:03CJ Donaldson did indeed play the most snaps in the back course because he's the past protection back 100%.
80:09Josh, we talked about that on the preview show, nailed that one.
80:12Uh, and unfortunately, if you started Alvin Kamara and you're hoping for the touchdown scam that went to Kendra Miller, who got
80:19all the work inside the five yard line and punched in his touchdown very early in the game as well.
80:25Oh, I'm just looking at every drive the saints had after their second drive, which was a touchdown of 15 plays 66 yards.
80:31It went three and out three and out fumble in the kickoff interception after 11 yards, uh, punt turnover on downs and interception on the day.
80:39Like yeah, this saints team. Um, again, they played their best ball in third and long situations this season and mostly in second halves of games.
80:47You cannot find yourself in those situations against this Brian Flores defense.
80:50Uh, nope. And so they, they just have to find answers as they go along here because Matt, we like a lot
80:57of the pieces on the saints and they're going to get even better once.
81:01You know, Jordan Tyson comes back eventually, but, uh, at one and four in this whole, I understand the NFC south is what it is.
81:08And every team is going to be eight and eight forever.
81:12Even if eight and eight doesn't exist, uh, you're digging yourself a hole here.
81:16Yeah. I think the offensive line and the state of the run game is too bad for them to be a serious
81:22team, which that's something that they have to look at.
81:25You know, maybe Travis H and gets back, but they weren't using him like that anyways.
81:30But, uh, the Calvin banks injury, that's the, that's the bigger one to me.
81:34It's just, yep. That's, that's too, it's too, they're too unserious along the offensive line at this point.
81:40Like he's almost like allowed that the most pressures sense, uh, the Calvin banks injury, like the backup.
81:45And then looking at this one, the running backs in the tight ends allowed six pressures and you know, you just can't have that.
81:52And that's like a credit to Brian Flores for, you know, just understanding the past protection rules.
81:57But these guys just can't block for new Orleans.
82:00Now real quick, if this is a broken hand and we're, we know the Calvin, Calvin banks isn't coming back for a while.
82:06Like a broken handle for your quarterback. Like, are we talking about the Juwan and veille stuff is like unserious now for fantasy.
82:13Like we, we've seen the highs of that and like, we can't trust him moving forward.
82:18Like if he truly does have a broken hand, like, is this pretty much only crystal lava for, for fantasy purposes?
82:24Yeah. Um, it was his left hand. So not as throwing hand, you know, there is, there is that for Tyler Shuck,
82:31but it's definitely gets a little thinner. Um, he did not look comfortable and his, one of his interceptions today was just like completely baffling.
82:38So it was, it just was a bad day at the office.
82:42I'm, I'm not going to totally give up the ghost on the veille and Johnson stuff.
82:46Um, but I think this one just was, it was a buzzsaw they were predictably going to run into.
82:52So I'm not totally ready to give up, but it is a little concerning for sure.
82:57All right. Speaking of ghosts, I would say. Aaron Rogers found some parts of his game that we thought were dead, but
83:03they came back alive here in week five. Pittsburgh Steelers 34.
83:06See what you're going with that. Indianapolis Colts 22.
83:09Here's where I'm going with it, Matt. You ready?
83:12The Colts kicked five field goals in this game and the Steelers scored four touchdowns.
83:16Simple math will tell you that field goals are worth three points and touchdowns are worth six plus one.
83:22That was the entire difference here. Uh, and also Jalen Warren was a huge fricking difference for the Pittsburgh.
83:27The other is one of Hayden Winks's best shout outs of the summer.
83:31First touchdown, 80 yard swing pass to the house.
83:34Aaron Rogers takes a huge shot in the backfield.
83:37The third one is a huge. Aaron, who flicks it out to Jalen Warren just in time, who outruns the one linebacker that's covering him to the corner.
83:45And he's untouched. the rest of the way thanks to DK freaking Metcalf blocking two separate defenders down the field and spring him.
83:52Maybe just maybe the sauce gardener trash talk this week got DK in his groove from a blocker standpoint and sprung that long touchdown.
83:59The second one, Jalen Warren, 50 yarder, broke two arm tackles at the line of scrimmage and he was straight gone.
84:05The booth, which was Jim Nance, said that we were expecting 17 to 22 touches from Jalen Warren heading into this game.
84:12Uh, Jalen Warren fishes with 21. You love to see it.
84:15Pat Friermuth had two other touchdowns here. And then another nugget that we got from the production meetings is that quote, Aaron Rogers likes Jerry Bernard.
84:23He never fails to mention him in a production meeting with us.
84:26Well, Jerry Bernard, nine targets, six receptions, 80 yards leader among all those wide receivers.
84:30Roman Wilson dislocates his finger on his first target just before halftime immediately ruled out.
84:35So you're going to see Jeremy Bernard painted all over waiver wire columns this week as the headliner, because we know Michael
84:41Pittman is out for multiple weeks and Jeremy Bernard did have one drop, but was a total gamer here.
84:47And every time he gets a chance, he pops up and shows exactly who he is.
84:52So, uh, Hey, now send it over to you.
84:54This Steelers team three and two right now. Uh, they were sick of being 500 and squeaking into the playoffs.
85:00I'm not saying it's like totally different here. They have like the bucks, the saints and the Browns over the next three weeks.
85:07This could be a nice stretch here for the Steelers.
85:10Yeah. To me, this story is just goes to the Jalen Warren.
85:14Like this is like Austin Eckler to me just watching him over the years.
85:18Like they have not committed to him enough. And I really hope that, you know, the last couple of games here with
85:24without Rico Dowdle was the wake up call and that they don't make this a committee.
85:29Like obviously with Jalen Warren, his size, like he probably shouldn't touch the ball 20 times on average.
85:34But could this like not be a 50 50 split between Rico Dowdle and Joe?
85:39They're playing different sports. Like there's no way that Rico Dowdle could hit the explosive plays that Jalen Warren has.
85:45He's good in protection. He's physical. He's pretty quick on top of that.
85:49He knows where he's going. Like I've always thought he's just underutilized.
85:52And like, I really hope with Rico Dowdle returning that they do not put a lid on this.
85:57Like it's not going to be like fantasy RB one status, but could he not be the RB 24 from for the rest of the season?
86:05Like, could he actually be like a top 15 guy like that?
86:09It's so obvious that he's so much better than how this there's used him for like last couple years.
86:14You said the name, uh, Austin Eckler. I want to say, I swear to God, Eckler and I did a segment at
86:21one point where he pointed out, he saw some similarities in Jalen Warren's game to himself, not just cause they're undrafted guys
86:27who were at number 30, but, uh, kind of followed that same path and have that same skill.
86:33So yeah, man, like let's fully unleash Jalen Warren.
86:35We showed some stat on the screen where like he is the first running back since fricking Herschel Walker to have like
86:42an 80 yard touchdown and 50 or by the way, Herschel Walker, our ambassador to the Bahamas.
86:47So that's how long ago that was okay. So yeah, I mean like let's, let's go Jalen Warren.
86:52I mean, he's, he's such a good player and makes this offense actually feel if they're going to do the spread stuff
86:59with Rogers, he's such a way better fit for it.
87:02So, I mean, yeah, I just, I hope we're not just wish casting this Hayden cause it, it does feel like it could be real.
87:09And I will add some of it's under center.
87:12Like I feel like Rogers is going more under center this year than he has in, in the past few years.
87:18This was an interesting dynamic because JJ Watt was in the booth with his brother TJ, obviously on the field and JJ
87:24kept mentioning that Jalen Warren gets better the more touches you give him.
87:28And whenever he talks about the Steelers, I kind of wonder how much of that is through his communication with his brother and maybe what they feel internally.
87:37But Rico sounds like he will be back next week from his dislocated toe.
87:41So we'll see what happens, but it should go in this direction.
87:44That's for sure. Okay. Matt, I want to send this to you, this comment with the Colts.
87:49I think the Colts are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
87:53Like we can throw up the Arizona Cardinals, the Tennessee Titans and the Miami Dolphins as the bottom three.
87:59I understand they're two and three, but I think I would put the Colts next.
88:03Jonathan Taylor is awesome. He was stuffed four times at the goal line.
88:07So Hayden, he's going to be massive in your expected fancy points model this week.
88:11Tyler Warren actually got the rushing score as a fullback.
88:14He also went seven for 83 on a handful of deeper routes today, which is very cool to see in terms of overs.
88:21And he actually had the lowest a dot in the league among all non running backs entering this week.
88:27And that should change. But man, they have nothing else.
88:30Everything is so compact when they're throwing down the field and Daniel Jones just doesn't move like he used to.
88:36The ball dies in him when he throws or it's too overthrown.
88:39It's just not hitting nearly as much as it did last year.
88:43And it makes sense. Like when you're throwing to Keenan Allen, uh, nine times when you're throwing to Laquan Treadwell eight times,
88:49Matt, it just has a whole different feel to it.
88:52And I think the Colts, uh, I think they stink.
88:55Yeah, they suck for sure. Uh, Tyler Warren, 9.9 air yards for target feels like a miracle.
89:00I think it was 2.3 coming into this game.
89:03Uh, so, and yeah, when he had like the rushing touches like, oh, great.
89:07Just more gimmicky stuff for Tyler Warren. So at least there's that, uh, Josh Downs, I saw had a 40 yard explosive play down the field.
89:15He averaged 16.5 air yards per target, but the vertical stuff to Laquan Treadwell just feels sad that this is the state of the offense.
89:22And like, not to your point, Josh, I don't think any of it matters because every time I watch Daniel Jones, I'm
89:29like more disappointed than the previous week. So again, this is one of those things where it's so cute that we can
89:35be in, in the summer, like, oh my God, this guy looks like nothing ever happened to him.
89:41And then you get into a real NFL game and he looks like a quarterback who has always been up and down
89:47and is coming off a torn Achilles. Like he doesn't move like he used to, to your point.
89:52Uh, look at the, the deepest passes of the game.
89:55He went one for 11 on them. So, you know, it's a lot of prayers to Laquan Treadwell to your point, whatever happened to Darius Slayton?
90:03Like, is he ever going to get active and go in there?
90:07Like, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot about that.
90:09I told, well, Nick Westbrook-Akine got a long target here.
90:12So, uh, that's not going to help. Deion Burks.
90:15They're like, they're trying to Deion Burks. Yeah. 43.
90:17Yes. If, if you can run in a straight line, you're going to get a deep target and it's going to go incomplete here.
90:25Yeah. I mean, look on a day where he throws zero interceptions and only takes one sack.
90:30You would think like maybe the Colts are going to be more competitive, but it just comes down to if they get
90:36a penalty or if they fail to gain yards on the ground, which again, John and Taylor only average three yards per
90:43carry here, then you get in these second and third long situations.
90:46And that's how you get into five field goals, right?
90:49Because they can't convert on those third and eights, third and twelves, whatever it is, because they just don't have the horses for it.
90:56Like they tried Josh Downs in two tight window targets down the field.
91:00And then the DB just kind of was draped all over him and knocked it away.
91:05So it's, this is just who they are this year.
91:08And it's, it's pretty unfortunate and it makes sense why they paid Alec Pierce so much money other than, you know, he's really good at football.
91:15It comes down to that. Okay. Houston Texans. There's a lot to talk about here, but first we have to start with
91:22them actually winning a game 26 points. Matt, I see 261 and a touchdown for CJ Stroud along with a rushing score.
91:28Uh, unfortunately I see Xavier Hutchinson having more receiving yards for Nico Collins, but also the running back room.
91:34Woody marks 15 carries for 62 and Dave Montgomery five for 11.
91:38Take this wherever you want. Either the D Mont injury or CJ Stroud actually throwing the football.
91:43Well, with CJ Stroud, there's a couple of amazing plays out of structure, um, that I thought really stood out because obviously
91:49when CJ Stroud has time throwing the ball to Nico Collins over the middle, that's, that's pretty much automatic.
91:55But on the Jalen Noel touchdown, he was flushed to his left throws that ball.
91:59Jalen Noel makes a great play extending his hands away from the defender.
92:03Now Jalen still only has 45% snaps 50% of the routes.
92:06He's only out there in 11 personnel. Pretty much he has, you know, 526 snaps outside of 11 personnel.
92:12So we can't get that excited about Jalen Noel, but he's going to be, uh, uh, the same exact player once we get Marvin Harrison out there.
92:20But there's a couple other throws from CJ Stroud, uh, towards the sideline.
92:24There's a great one, um, to Kaysha on booty.
92:26He also had a zone read touchdown at the two yard line as well.
92:31So there was, it was just like another very clean game for CJ Stroud.
92:35He's very welcoming to the Marvin Harrison. And they obviously played together and had a lot of success in college.
92:41Um, and once again, not a whole lot on the ground.
92:44Woody marks had a 24 yard touchdown, uh, called back on a holding play.
92:48I thought that was a little bit ticky tack.
92:51Uh, but David Montgomery with a groin injury, he was like barely kind of walking to the locker room.
92:56Like to me, that looked like a multi-week injury here.
92:59And I'll just say it again. Woody marks is better than David Montgomery.
93:03Like I've said that after every single game I've watched from the Houston Texans to the point.
93:08Now the Texans reporters who typically don't like to do like too much opinion based, uh, tweeting, they were like, Woody marks
93:15should be the running back for this team. Even when David Montgomery comes back, I'm not predicting that's going to be the
93:21case, but he just moves a step faster. I think he should play like, you know, 60, 75% of the snaps.
93:27There's a couple of screens to him. And then after the game, uh, D'Amico Ryan said, quote, may miss some time on David Montgomery.
93:35So I think this team should be a pass first team with Woody marks as kind of your space back.
93:40Win with defense, win with explosives in the past game, live with the results because the run game results are just never going to be good enough.
93:48Uh, and I think that the Marvin Harrison trade on top of that, like further, further believes, uh, that point for me
93:55because CJ Stroud, I think just playing like really, really high end ball.
93:59Yeah. I'm, I feel like I'm going to be talking about the Marvin Harrison trade a hundred different times in the next three days.
94:06So I don't want to, yeah, I don't want to kind of blow all the notes right now, but I totally agree
94:12with you Hayden that when this was even the thought, you know, from the very weird reporting on Saturday, I'm like out
94:19at brunch with, with my wife and looking at my phone, like what, what are we doing here?
94:24Um, I've had too many mimosas to try to uncover what this means, but, um, yeah, it's just, uh, even thinking about
94:31it then, if it was going to be a Houston Texan, even before seeing this game, which is another great game for
94:37Stroud and the whole deal, this team should just be a total pass first spread, like let CJ Stroud cook.
94:43And I do at least just, you know, Marv obviously is an up and down player, but I wanted to see either
94:50Marv or Nico play fewer snaps at X receiver based on what I've heard from the Texans staff.
94:55My guess is it's going to not about, not with Marv, but my guess is it's going to end up being Harrison, not Nico.
95:02Cause I think they want Nico to stick in that, in that X role.
95:06So, you know, I think this could get really pretty interesting if they just like kind of give the keys to Stroud and abandon the run game completely.
95:15Uh, Matt again, you're going to talk about this 99 more times, but with Marv, does he just check directly into the
95:21role that we expected Jayden Higgins to have open this season?
95:24Yep. Uh, a guy that they can do some X receiver stuff with even last year with Nico and Jayden, they would
95:31kind of have two guys be outside on the ball, uh, with when those two guys were active.
95:36So I think they can obviously do that with Marv, but, um, you look at, uh, Higgins route tree from his rookie year.
95:43It does lean into a lot of the breaking routes that Marv runs and fewer of the kind of vertical stretch stuff that he just absolutely cannot do.
95:51So, um, and I also think there's something to the fact that, you know, Stroud really believes in him because it's pretty,
95:58I'm curious to hear what you heard from the broadcast, Josh with the Cardinals and everything, because it is pretty clear that
96:04man, that relationship was, was bad there. Uh, and even from the beginning, I saw the, the thing that Chris Carter said
96:11about how he bought the fifth, had to buy the 50,000 jug machine, uh, by himself because the Cardinals wouldn't buy it or something.
96:18So it's like right from the bad, right from the beginning.
96:21So obviously Harrison's a guy who's had some up and downs from the mental part of it for sure.
96:27So having his guy there and Stroud believing him, I think that that does help things.
96:31Yeah. Last question on this, Matt. Um, I think one issue with Marv other than just parts of his game is just the volume.
96:39And you know, some people will say it's earned.
96:41Some people say, well, he's just not gotten it, all this type of stuff.
96:45Do you think in this offense, in that role that we're expecting to have, he'll average more than like three and a
96:52half targets, which has kind of been what he's been getting with the Cardinals as of late?
96:57Like what, what are your expectations volume wise opposite Nico Collins and attached to CJ strap?
97:02I will take the over on three and a half targets for sure.
97:05I think we could get somewhere to like six maybe per game.
97:09Um, especially if they do kick up the past attempts because you can hate Marv all you want.
97:14He's better than Kayshawn Booty or, you know, even Xavier Hutchinson who runs like 47% of the routes here.
97:20So I expect him to be a pretty impactful player here.
97:23Well, Josh, Xavier Hutchinson has at least five targets in every single one of these games.
97:28So we can't clear the five mark then like something's like really, really rotten here.
97:32Um, yeah, I think like what Matt said, it's gonna be a version of the Jaden Higgins role that is more intriguing
97:39to me than the Marvin Harrison please went on this go post route stuff.
97:43I just don't think he's fast enough. I think you should utilize them in the ways Matt was talking about.
97:49So I think this is absolutely stock up for Marvin Harrison.
97:52He should be rostered in all leagues. I do think that there's gonna be a chance that he's gonna be, you know,
97:59somewhere in the thirties, I would say like rest of season rankings.
98:02I would say wide receiver 35 or so. I think that's where Jaden Higgins would have ended up, uh, because I think
98:09CJ shrouds playing better than we expected. And I think the ground game has been so bad that they really do have
98:15like no choice to me to be Stroud Collins, Harrison and then Jalen Noll in the slot.
98:20No more Kayshawn, no more Xavier Hutchinson, like those guys, uh, not good enough.
98:24And simple math. He goes from being the third target on the Arizona Cardinals to the second target here, the Houston Texans.
98:31Like that is a positive in the direction here.
98:34And just for everyone at home, it was basically a second round pick that went in the opposite direction.
98:39Plus a late round pick swap. Jake laser got on the broadcast saying that any mention of the Indianapolis Colts or the
98:46Las Vegas Raiders, they were not involved in this trade at all.
98:49It was just with the Houston Texans. And on that note, apparently Marvin Harrison Jr hired an agent to get this trade done.
98:56He did not have an agent prior to this, which I thought was an interesting part that he knew that this was
99:03on the cards or wanted it to happen, uh, and hired an agent to kind of facilitate this.
99:08So yeah, it was, it was very necessary for all sides.
99:11Let's put that one out. Hopefully it hits the ground running and hopefully like his relationship with the quarterback, uh, allows it to hit the ground running.
99:19And, um, I would actually say, Hey, my good job for the Cardinals getting a second round pick this year and not
99:26like a second round pick next year, as we've seen, you know, other teams send and receive recently too.
99:31I think that makes sense. I think, you know, Marv's way better than what he's been recently.
99:36Like, I think that this is going to kind of reset his career.
99:40He's not going to hit the complete ceiling that we have, but there's a lot of second round picks that teams make
99:47at wide receiver that just don't pan out. And I think I would rather have Marv like kind of rejuvenated with C.D.
99:53Stroud who has, you know, I'm familiar with my last night on the trade.
99:57Do you think that the Texans had to win this game for this trade to actually be facilitated, which goes to my point.
100:04The Cardinals had zero expectations for the Titans that they were willing to sit their own player, assuming that the Titans were
100:11going to lose this game, which maybe has never happened before.
100:14And by the way, the Titans were never even close.
100:17I was going to say, can you blame them?
100:20Yes. Talk about the Titans offense, Hayden, because, you know, Cam Ward throws for 170 yards and one interception after, you know,
100:26last week of Cardinal take catching what 14 balls for over 100, whatever he catches one for six on five targets.
100:32That sucks. You can watch an entire Titans game and like not even understand like or have any notes written down like that.
100:39This game just kind of came and went. The big thing was, you know, Daniil Hunter and you know, Daniil Hunter and
100:46will I understand it was just overpowering the left tackle really, really struggled.
100:49There's a 57% pressure rate allowed for the Tennessee Titans.
100:52Cam Ward had a, you know, like a stripped interception fumbled deflection, whatever we want to call it because of Daniil Hunter.
100:59There was a couple like out of, you know, out of structure moments from Cam Ward.
101:04You can go halves without like, you know, just like back to back in pocket in rhythm completions for this offense.
101:10And that's just kind of where this one went.
101:12There was a big deep shot in this one to Cardinal tape that goes just incomplete.
101:17TyJ Spears has a fumble and it's a lot of Tony Pollard.
101:21Like, you know, there's like no level of consistency.
101:23They'll like flash to day ball in the booth and like you just don't know like what exactly like they're even going for.
101:30Um, so you know, it was 170 scoreless passing yards for Cam Ward, um, as expected for brutal sacks.
101:36I don't know what they're trying to be. I don't know what Cam Ward is trying to be.
101:41Um, because he has a big arm, but they don't like really use it down the field all too much.
101:47It's, I don't know, man. Like it's a, it's a terrible football team.
101:51They're nowhere near as good as they should be in the second season with Cam Ward.
101:56Yeah. I'll just add that bad teams stay bad because of ownership.
101:59I think we can point that in the direction of the Arizona Cardinals and we can point that in the direction of the Tennessee Titans.
102:07Like the NFL is all about creating a level playing field through draft picks and free agency.
102:12Everyone gets to spend the same and you should not suck this long.
102:15Um, and when you do, you're going to be a big fan of the team, you're going to be a big fan of the team.
102:23And then, uh, also just hiring the wrong people.
102:26And I think that these two teams have kind of gone through that cycle over the last few years with the Titans,
102:32by the way, they fired three more, uh, senior vice presidents, uh, the chief revenue officers out of there, the senior vice
102:39presidents out of there, the brand marketing vice president out of their vice president of creative out of there, like, you know,
102:45top, top down that includes, you know, trying to sell, uh, some tickets and whatnot for the new stadium.
102:51It's, you know, I think this team just rotten.
102:53Yeah. I think one of the people that they fired was the person in charge of the entirely new logo and branding
103:00and the new uniform on top of this. And then like you're saying, um, they're opening a new stadium next year, uh,
103:06and probably charging a whole lot for it. So.
103:09I don't think cam awards going to be a part of the stadium images.
103:13I think that that's how that's the state of the, who is going to be.
103:18Yeah. Who pick two names quarterback. I don't know.
103:20Uh, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Simmons and like just JC Latham.
103:23That's it. Yeah. Yeah. JC Latham. Yes. JC Latham like this, like, you know, yes, that's about it.
103:28Okay. Well, let's talk about those Arizona Cardinals. Cause they got demolished like you do against the Detroit lions.
103:34I mean, the lines open with three, three and outs and still posted 45 points on the Cardinals.
103:39That's really bad guys. I mean, really bad. Uh, and after those first three and outs and look, the Jared golf got,
103:46I think sacked on his first drop back in each of those first two drives, then they were nails.
103:51Um, and it all happened on third and fourth downs.
103:54Sam Laporta converts a huge fourth and four while taking a big hit.
103:58That gives ultimately puts in the end zone on that first drive that they score.
104:03Uh, by the way, Jameer Gibbs is now tied for NFL history.
104:06Actually, he overtook it, uh, in this game with the most touchdowns before the age of 25 and NFL history.
104:12Uh, he now has surpassed Barry Sanders of the Detroit lions, but Sam Laporta had a day.
104:17I mean, a touchdown five receptions, 88 yards when this team didn't need to do anything in the fourth quarter.
104:23Uh, an awesome catch and run on third and 12 got 11 for that.
104:27Then the next snap, he leaked out for a 31 yard touchdown on fourth and one, but the name to bring up
104:34here, two catches, 47 yards, two touchdowns. Finally, Jameson Williams.
104:37Uh, the first one, a stack with Isaac Tesla, a crossing route versus Buddha Baker who left earlier with a groin injury.
104:43That was on a fourth and four touchdown. We love the aggressiveness from Dan Campbell.
104:48This is when it pays off. The second was on a three level concept, kind of same play that they ran a
104:54few years ago against the Tampa bucks. I remember breaking that down with, I think it was Josh McGon.
105:00It might've been Colt McCoy. Uh, anyways, one-on-one easy, easy, long touchdown and a quiet day, quiet day for Amon Rossi and
105:06Brown, just six or 69 to go along with Gibbs, uh, 151 and two scores.
105:11Um, and then quickly on the Cardinals. I mean, they just sucked.
105:14They were really bad. Uh, yeah. Jacoby gets there in the end with two 92 and three touchdowns.
105:19Congratulations for your second half garbage time when you're down, you know, 35 to seven.
105:24Um, the big talking point though is Jeremiah love 12 carries 22 yards, no catches.
105:28Uh, this was the longest game of his life in the longest season of his life.
105:33Um, I think Jeremiah love our buddy field Yates tweeted out now has negative eight receiving yards over the last two weeks,
105:40Hayden, and he's yet to reach 20 receiving yards in a game this season.
105:44That is like mismanagement for the number three overall pick.
105:47Who's a very good pass catcher for your team.
105:49I mean, this is another one of these, you know, bad teams stay bad and it's all the way to the top.
105:56You know, you're drafting running backs. I love Jeremiah love, but you're drafting running backs third overall when the rest of your team stinks money.
106:03Awesome for like look at his last like three or four draft classes.
106:07They've spent real draft capital trying to fix this defense real cap dollars to try to fix this defense.
106:13And it's just like a walking 40 points allowed.
106:15Um, so yeah, the, the Jeremiah love stuff. What was it a new injury?
106:20Did he look injured? Was this just the rotation that we should expect moving forward?
106:24Like, did we learn anything new from this game about like the status of his ankles?
106:29Legit think he just got phased out. And that's part of the issue with being on a team like this when you're
106:35down 35 to seven, uh, at with, you know, a quarter and a half left to play.
106:40Why would they trot out Jeremiah love again in the longest season of his life?
106:45Which I know we're, we bring up mad that phrase is a joke, but I actually think we saw implemented here.
106:51Like why is a team going to, you know, force feed him check downs and big hits when he's going to be
106:57like a fixture of your franchise for the next few years?
107:01Why do that in the game that you know you're going to lose?
107:04And so that hurts us from a fancy asset standpoint, because he's not getting the gimme stuff.
107:10He's not getting the touchdowns that jacobie brissette throws in the fourth quarter.
107:13Uh, and because of that, he's useless in a game like this.
107:17I still feel like it would be slightly different if he wasn't banged up, but that's kind of like the calculus of
107:23it too, is to your point, why waste these Jeremiah love touches when you're getting obliterated by the Detroit lions.
107:29So yeah, really frustrating if you have Jeremiah love and fantasy just frustrating overall too on this offense that, I mean, I
107:36benefited from the jacobie reset fantasy scam because I started him in the experts league.
107:40So, you know, that was like staring at eight points for forever and then it ends up with 20 plus.
107:46So that's great. That's what it's going to be.
107:49But Tegan, uh, quit Toriano gets two of the, I'm probably pushing that name.
107:53I apologize. Uh, sorry. I'm, I'm sorry. I hate mispronouncing people's names, but I don't know what it sounds like.
107:59Uh, so two, two touchdowns for him. Uh, and those are the early touchdowns two, Trey McBride got his super late.
108:05I saw. Yes. Uh, also if your question is who is replacing Marvin Harrison Jr.
108:10in this offense, uh, Jaylen Brooks got a deep shot on the first series and then he also got a second and
108:16nearly tips into himself for a touchdown. So Jaylen Brooks got run here, but so did Reggie Virgil and then Tegan Quintaro.
108:23Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I charted Reggie Virgil.
108:25Oh, sure. That's a person to me. Well, Jaylen Brooks, I think is like a, uh, 30 year player out of South Carolina.
108:32No fourth year, 30 year. Yeah. 2023 seventh round pick.
108:35Um, truly have never heard of him. Um, Trey McBride had a sick, it was the last touch on the game.
108:41Doesn't matter, but I mean, just a nasty, get both feet in bounds while tipping the ball and juggling it to yourself.
108:48So yeah, I mean, I mean, Kendrick Bourne is also going to be someone that we mentioned on the waiver wire for
108:54better for worse, because this offense is going to be down by a lot.
108:58He's going to run a bunch of routes. He's out there in, you know, the middle of the field territory.
109:04And, uh, he was outperforming Marvin Harrison Jr. in a number of the games earlier this season.
109:09So I don't think his role is necessarily going to change that much, but, uh, you know, at least the pecking order
109:16I think is, is quite clear and they're going to run three players at that other spot and sacrifice them to the
109:22wind sprint gods, uh, for the rest of the game.
109:25That's for sure. I just looked Jalen Brooks is 40 time for six, nine.
109:29I mean, okay. I don't know if I've seen a wide receiver that, I mean, that is historically low for actually getting NFL snaps.
109:37I think the Kendrick Bourne stuff is just going to be PPR scam when the Cardinals have given up their 40th point
109:43of the game and he's trusted and he's not going to get benched this season.
109:47Uh, like, I think he's like fine enough as an individual player and he, he's got, um, the floor experience going back to, you know, beyond the season.
109:56So, you know, he's not going to like, I don't think he's gonna be like a rest of the season, top 30
110:02guy, but like, will he do this five for 70 on eight targets multiple times the rest of this year?
110:08Like, I absolutely think he's going to do that.
110:11That does it for all the games that we were assigned, but let's start it back to Sunday morning and Harmon.
110:17I'm going to throw this to you. Jaguars 19 Eagles 17.
110:20Uh, I know I took a segment of the show talking through the ending of the commanders and giants.
110:26Do you want to take a segment and talk about what happened at the end of this game?
110:31Speaker 2 Yeah. Um, I don't even really know where to begin with what happened in this football game.
110:37The chart really does show it pretty well here.
110:40I turned this game off with eight seconds to go because like, all right, cool.
110:44Um, Eagles kick the field goal. They're going to go ahead and win this one.
110:48Uh, that was not, that was not to be the case, uh, because Jacksonville Jaguars get the return Amir Abdullah, by the
110:55way, shout out to Amir Abdullah gets the return.
110:58Speaker 2 He returns it to field goal range and cam little boots in the game-winning field goal, 19 to 17.
111:04The Jags escaped this one. And I mean it when I say the Jags escaped this one because they shot themselves in
111:10the foot over and over and over again with some of the most outrageous, disgusting penalties you could ever.
111:16I mean, they're like Liam Cohen is a great, he's a great coach and I love Liam Cohen as a coach, but
111:22he is a, he's a hot head and this team kind of plays like a hot head.
111:27You know what I'm saying? So there was that.
111:30And then the goal line in the goal line sequences, dude, they could not call a normal play.
111:35They could not like have a successful play at one point.
111:39Basial tootin does like a full jet sweep when they line up Chris Rodriguez is at the backfield that gets stuff.
111:45Eagles defense actually played a pretty good game here.
111:48They had some of their guys back. Although this game started weird too, because on the kickoff, there were four penalties all
111:54offsetting two players got tossed from that. One of them was Brian Thomas Jr.
111:58Not that Brian Thomas Jr. You guys might not know the Jackson Jaguars employed two players named Brian Thomas Jr.
112:04Brian with a Y Brian, the same number of catches in this game though.
112:08Well, that's part of the goal line BS. I'm jumping all over the place here too, but Brian Thomas Jr.
112:14Should have had a touchdown catch, but he catches a touchdown in college where he only gets one damn foot down.
112:20I cannot believe he did not drag that second foot down when he was good at football.
112:25Yes. Well, maybe in his rookie year, he drags that.
112:28I don't know what to say, but this game will truly break your brain for a variety of different reasons.
112:34It was utter chaos, utter chaos. Matt, my favorite sequence for Jacksonville, they had a delay of game before the Brian Thomas Jr.
112:41Can't get his foot in. And then they have another delay of game right after that.
112:46I mean, I'm surprised Liam Cohen didn't make everybody just start doing wind sprints at that point.
112:51There was also a bad snap for the mixed extra point, but I will say the Eagles, I think kind of botched
112:57this themselves, even before their field goal attempt, they throw a pass to Makai Lemon who runs out of bounds instead of staying in bounds.
113:05And that's the reason why Jacksonville was able to get the ball back at these stays in bounds.
113:10They kick that field goal with no time remaining.
113:13And then I would also say that when they do kick the, um, the, the, the kickoff, that ball gets caught at the 10 yard line only.
113:21Yeah. And that was, I got a full, full steam ahead and he was gone.
113:25And then obviously he gets lucky to be, you know, down with one seconds left.
113:30Uh, but I thought, you know, the Eagles, they should have kicked the ball, but a little bit deeper, uh, then, you
113:36know, catching the ball at the 10 yard line.
113:39And also Makai Lemon did make that mistake of getting out of bounds, uh, on the sequence before.
113:44Seems like Jake Elliott was told to kick the ball in bounds.
113:48Uh, so it can be returned like Nick Siorani said this was all on me.
113:52Is that fair? Yeah. Well, they're a dumb team and you're the head coach.
113:56It's definitely on you, pal. Uh, the Eagles, the Eagles are at a staff from our producer, JB shot at the JB who's an Eagles fan.
114:04So I'm sure he really loves typing this. Uh, Eagles are averaging 4.6 points per game in the second half of games this season.
114:11I mean, they're, they're pathetic, dude. It's, it's so bad.
114:14The game and this, this goes back to your point, Josh, Nick Sirianni is a, he's been an offensive coach that has
114:21like tried to off shoot most of the offense maybe, but medals in that way.
114:25It's hard to say, but also he's kind of the CEO head coach, the culture guy.
114:30And this team is, is so poorly managed in these situations.
114:33They're incredibly stupid. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I don't know where this team goes from here because they were, they were
114:39competitive and they fought in this one. They also have the, the most bizarre looking offensive line you're ever going to see
114:46in your life right now because they have the tiniest dudes on the interior and then massive tackles with bell, uh, and
114:52Markel Bell and Jordan, my lot of. So I don't know a lot of weird stuff going on with the Eagles.
114:59Darius Cooper gets the big play at the wide receiver position.
115:02If you were hunting for wicks or lemon or any of those guys, their offensive line room is basically the Derek Henry
115:08and Mark Ingram meme over and over and over again, just one guy is small.
115:13Yeah. I mean the Eagles offense heading into this game, I think was close to last in terms of the three and out rate.
115:20And then they went three and out three more or five more times in this game.
115:25Um, Oh yeah, Matt, we, we might not get Saquon Barkley next week.
115:29Um, or for the next game I'm reading Damien Pierce, 11 carries will shipley five carries.
115:33Did you glean anything from this now that's noted that you know, the average 1.3 and 1.2 yards per carry a piece?
115:40Yeah. Will ship. We punched in a touchdown and then I think had a foot injury and he was ruled out with
115:46the rest of the, for the rest of the game.
115:49So God, it is, it's just so bleak. They're also leaving an active roster spot for lane Johnson for the entire season.
115:56That's, that's great. Obviously really respectful for a franchise legend, but I guess we're just going to roll with 52 players for the rest of the year.
116:04It feels like they should, they actually could probably use 54 players, not 52.
116:08My theory on Sirianni is like some of these decisions, like he knows how he's going to fire him.
116:14Like might as well hit Cabo in October and November and not see this.
116:18He's not going to be the Eagle coach. Yeah.
116:20Like, honestly, big Dom survives without Sirianni. No, yeah, dude.
116:23Tom has interim head coach. We've seen worse. Oh, he would love it.
116:27We saw Jeff Saturday from ESPN. Why not big Dom?
116:30Why not? Yeah, we got, we did get it.
116:33We did get another big dumb. Just absolutely milks the camera time on this one too, during that for a penalty, two
116:39guys, Trotter gets ejected right at the beginning. He's, he's right there.
116:43So yeah, it's, it's a clown show in Philadelphia right now.
116:46I don't know what to say. One thing I did want to bring up, cause this was a talking point heading into
116:53the week was, uh, Trevor Lawrence throws the ball 39 times here, which was much higher than their average heading into this game, which was about 24.
117:01We always said if they were pushed to the limit in a game, which they really hadn't been so far this season
117:07that we would get something like that. And guess what?
117:10It gives us Parker Washington, nine targets, six receptions, 124 yards and two scores.
117:14So again, in a game like they had last week against Cincinnati, who was horrible against tight ends and, um, Brenton strange gets eight or nine targets.
117:22Then you know, you're condensing 15 down to the running backs and the wide receivers and all that type of stuff.
117:28He might not get there, but then in games where they actually have to be pressed, which they will throughout.
117:34It's so clear that Parker Washington is the top guy.
117:37Okay. Uh, I quickly want to talk about the Broncos and the Chargers.
117:41Cause I got some eyeballs on this. Uh, I wish I hadn't because this was horrible football on top of it.
117:47Um, the Broncos win, the Chargers lose, their own five, uh, Bo Nix is not fixed.
117:52Bo Nix throws 123 yards, 4.6 yards per pop one touchdown.
117:55Uh, early on in the red zone, it was, Hey, let's do a wheel route to JK Dobbins, kind of like an escort screen type thing.
118:03Uh, and then let's do a further pass down the field to RJ Harvey.
118:07Both of those were totally incomplete. Uh, there was another moment where Bo Nix was basically facing a three-man rush and he
118:14just drifts directly into his left tackle and there's a sack.
118:17And there's another time where he tries to scramble and then loses the ball one yard down the field.
118:23And so if you ask yourself, what is Sean Payton's influence on this team?
118:27Uh, Hayden, the number one influence was that little Jordan Humphrey converted a third and eight on the first drive.
118:33That was the only difference that I saw in this entire game.
118:36Um, well, and I'm also learning that JK Dobbins might be a Sean Payton guy as well.
118:41And like, you know, that's only adding so much to this offense.
118:45Like they, if they're gonna like reach the ceiling that they, they can have, like it has to go through Jalen Waddle at some point.
118:52Like I, I, I'm always stunned. They did try.
118:55He had more dropsies today, unfortunately. Oh no. Amazing.
118:57Yes. He's, he's gotten some dropsies. So on the five targets, I think maybe at least two of them were drops.
119:04So it's not good. Not good. It's not good all around.
119:07Not good. You win this game though, because Justin Herbert also sucks.
119:10Uh, he throws for 121 yards, one touchdown, one interception.
119:13Uh, no Patrick Sertan. I don't think Riley Moss played either.
119:17One of the worst interceptions you're going to see all week where there's a flat defender and Justin Herbert throws it directly in him, directly between his numbers.
119:25Great placement, but it's to the other team. Uh, the only positive from this game is that Kamani Vidal takes a touchdown 42 yards.
119:32He gets to the edge, breaks a few tackles, and he's off to the races.
119:36So legitimately that is something that a Martin Hampton has not done in, you know, eight months.
119:42Uh, Keaton Mitchell, I'm not going to say breaks a lot of tackles.
119:45He is what he is. He's fast to the sideline and that's about it.
119:50So Matt, I do wonder at some point if we get to the Kamani Vidal is the answer between a Warren Hampton versus Keaton Mitchell.
119:57Yeah. I had one of my buddies text me today, uh, after the Kamani Vidal 42 yard banger, oh, Hampton owners are fierce.
120:04It's like, dude, Hampton owners are it's over for them.
120:07Like, I mean, if they can't possibly be bad about it.
120:10Yeah. Yeah. Right. Correct. Maybe try some daily fantasy.
120:13I don't know. Something else to entertain yourself during football season.
120:16But yeah, I mean this it's, I'm not doing Justin Herbert defense at all because he makes two or three just ghastly decisions.
120:23And I probably shouldn't have been, you know, gallivanting around Europe during the off season.
120:27Maybe should have been locked in on the new offense.
120:30I don't know something to something to talk about there, but they also have just a true preseason roster out there at the offensive line.
120:37And then all of the receivers are injured. Even Trey Harris coming into this game as the number one, like, Ooh, let's see what he's got.
120:45He gets hurt in here. Theo Weiss, you know, MVS who's always the it's again, it's not MVS's fault, but he's always
120:52the target on these disgusting interceptions for Justin Herbert.
120:54So yeah, it's just, it's all bad in Los Angeles right now.
120:58Yeah. Hayden your namesake gets the touchdown. Hayden Rucci.
121:01Hayden Rucci. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's a big guy right there.
121:04Yeah. Um, but so this tweet says that Lana McConkey was active.
121:08Yeah. I mean, he, I don't think he had a helmet.
121:11He, he just wore shoulder pads and looked like he was, uh, one of the injured players in high school football, but
121:17just wanted to, you know, show off his Jersey number.
121:20That's it. Jim Harbaugh, by the way, every time the media talks to him, he's just like, he's more and more clueless about what's going on here.
121:28So yeah, it's, it's over for these guys to matter.
121:31Yeah. For a guy that like had shown so much fire during his time as an NFL head coach, both the 49ers and the chargers.
121:39Uh, he just seems super annoyed whenever his team comes off the field and all these mistakes, like there's very little energy
121:45exuding from a guy that has been all energy during his entire tenure.
121:49Okay. We'll close by just asking the questions of the New York jets and the Cleveland Browns.
121:54I'm actually looking forward to going back and going through this game because we get Braylon Allen for one 16 and a score.
122:01We get Garrett Wilson for seven for one Oh four and a touchdown.
122:05We get Denzel Boston with an awesome 29 yard touchdown post down the field.
122:09Um, unfortunately Isaiah Bond is the one with three catches for 74 yards.
122:13And I also saw that when Sean Judkins left, uh, with a walking boot after just going 14 carries for 44 yards.
122:19Yeah. Also, unfortunately you're gonna have to fast forward through the first couple of plays.
122:24Casey Concepcion got absolutely obliterated by, uh, Minka Fitzpatrick for like obvious concussion.
122:27Like that was, that was, I thought, you know, borderline, uh, dirty ball.
122:31Cause they were, they were kind of like bickering before that play on top of that.
122:36So truly hate to see that. And then with the quinch on, we just don't know there's, there's a lot of like,
122:43you know, like precautionary boots, but you don't, you don't like to see the boot, uh, on a player coming back from injury already.
122:50So this game was supposed to be pretty rainy and stuff.
122:53I didn't see too much of it, but the guys that we needed to, to score fantasy points mostly did.
122:59At one point I did see a true puddle on the field, so it was definitely rainy conditions, but Denzel Boston is, is awesome.
123:06Uh, Isaiah bond is not awesome. He left a lot of plays on the field, even though he had a couple of,
123:12uh, ones here, but yeah, Denzel Boston, just a true stud.
123:16His touchdown was pretty sweet. All right. That does it.
123:19If you all want to see Matt talk about Marvin Harrison, jr.
123:2299 more times this week, you can do it on his feet.
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123:38But before then it's myself and Joel Smith after Monday night football, uh, with your waiver wire.
123:43So lock in, hit subscribe. Thanks to everyone in the back in Colin and weaves and everyone else helping out with this episode.
123:50Colin. That's a long story. All right. Thank you all for watching and Jamie as well, uh, up the bell.
123:56Everyone talk to you guys soon. See ya.

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