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0:00Big show for you here today, Josh Norris and Hayden Winks make their Yahoo Fantasy Forecast debut as we talk through 10
0:06players those two guys are against ADP on. A little positive, a little negative, a little balance on this one.
0:12Is James Cook worthy of a first round pick?
0:15What about Saquon Barkley? Is he going a little bit too low?
0:18And is this Chargers running back overvalued early in drafts?
0:21All that and more coming up on today's show.
0:24Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:27Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast and it is a hell of a day to talk ball.
0:32A little bit of a new era here for the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast.
0:36Not only did you get a great new intro if you're watching with us here on YouTube, new graphics and all that.
0:42We also are welcoming our new friends here to the program.
0:45That's right. Finally making their Yahoo Fantasy Forecast debut.
0:48It is my guys, Josh Norris, Hayden Winks. Boys, what's going on, Josh, since you're the oldest, significantly, I believe the oldest of the three of us.
0:56As you can tell. I'm going to throw it to you first.
0:59Josh, my good longtime friend, Josh Norris, what's going on, man?
1:02Well, I'm not going to report you to HR.
1:05I think that's some sort of violation you just incurred there.
1:08Yeah. What a good note to start this off with.
1:11I am pumped. You just joined our show for the very first time as a coworker yesterday.
1:16And so it's a home and home that I think Matt, we're going to do multiple times every single week from now until the rest of time.
1:24Yeah, that's right. Hayden, it's good to see you.
1:26You got the collared shirt notification here for the first Winks Norris debut on the forecast.
1:31What's going on, man? How you doing? Stoked to be here.
1:34It's always weird to go on a show you've always been listening to.
1:38Feels like you just don't want to mess things up because, you know, this is the show I typically would be go listening to myself after this.
1:46Yeah. Well, you know, that's a high standard and I appreciate it, but I think we're going to do just fine because
1:52we got a fun topic here for your guys's debut episode.
1:55We've got 10 players that you two. That's right.
1:58I'm not doing any work on this, so this is going to be great.
2:02I just get to sit back and toss it between the two of you guys here.
2:07We've got 10 players that you guys are strongly against or avoiding at ADP right now.
2:11So Josh, you've got five. Hayden, you've got five.
2:14I believe there may have been some slight disagreement on the homework here.
2:18Yeah. Hayden, how'd you interpret this prompt? Well, strongly against ADP.
2:21I was like, that sounds negative. So I went with five guys.
2:24I don't like their ADPs. So I think we're going to do a little good cop, bad cop here.
2:30So if I come across very negative, then maybe go watch our channel where I talk positively about some players.
2:35Yeah, this might be a bit of a setup because I only selected players that I am well ahead of ADP on.
2:42So like you said, it's the angel on the shoulder of each of your shoulders right now, Matt.
2:47That's where we do this first show together. Well, that's unfortunate.
2:50Yeah, we don't want to set you guys up as like the positive and the negative guys.
2:55Yeah, definitely go check out the first episode I did with Josh and Hayden on their channel on their podcast feed because
3:02we're pretty much for the most part positive on all those year three guys.
3:06So, you know what? All three of us are really brimming with optimism here.
3:10But since we are doing the optimism, let's start with Josh, your first player that you are strongly against ADP on heading into 2026.
3:17Saquon Barkley and look, this is a positive lens.
3:19He's being drafted right now when you just look at consensus as the running back eight.
3:24It's the 14th overall player. Matt, he's my seventh overall player this year.
3:28I think it's absolutely absurd that Saquon Barkley is being selected behind Ashen Jinty on basically every single platform.
3:33Like the key to everything for the Philadelphia Eagles this offseason is to get their running game back on track.
3:39Like you're going to hear about what can Sean Mannion pluck out of Jalen Hurts?
3:43Like how is Devante Smith going to step into the wide receiver one category that AJ Brown left behind?
3:49What are Makai Lemon, the rookie, and Eli Stowers, the other rookie, going to do this passing game?
3:54None of it matters unless Saquon Barkley gets back to something close to what he did during the 2024 season.
4:00Uh, I think that this is actually incredible value that we're getting from Saquon because what he's going to do when he
4:06gets back on track is change the math. Like him being successful, not just with five, six yard gains, but getting back
4:12to 20, 40, 50 yard gains is that that's going to force defenses in a single high.
4:17And that's what makes the passing attack better, not different play callers, not any of that.
4:22So to me, the entire 2026 season for the Eagles relies on Saquon Barkley.
4:26And I'm drafting him as such in all my leagues this season.
4:30I see the same way. He's my 10th ranked player.
4:32I have him ahead of ADP. I'm drafting him over one of the negative guys I'm going to talk about here in just a second.
4:40He scored one of 11 inside the five yard line carries for touchdowns last year.
4:44That is an offensive line stat. Cam Juergens wasn't himself.
4:47Landon Dickerson wasn't himself. Lane Johnson wasn't even out there for much of the season.
4:51I'm just expecting better health in the offensive line.
4:54Losing Stoutland does stink, but I just think that the veteran presence across the entire offensive line, just with better health this
5:00year, I think is going to pay dividends for Saquon Barkley.
5:03Well, it sounds like I'm a little closer to ADP and the kind of consensus thought, if not like a little bit behind your blow.
5:11I haven't missed. Yeah, I haven't missed my 16th overall player right now is Saquon Barkley.
5:15So I guess, Josh, I would just throw it to you this way.
5:19And I'm glad you are talking about this because we have not really spent enough time on this show talking about the changeover in the Eagles run game.
5:27And we have, as you mentioned, fixated on what the passing game is going to look like with Sean Mannion.
5:33But do you have any concerns with Saquon Barkley?
5:36One, I guess going into kind of the later stages of his career at this point, maybe some small dips in the
5:42efficiency metrics last year that may or may not be meaningful.
5:45But two, like him being more of an outside zone runner in what I think this run game is going to look
5:51like after being historically much more like this is your gap.
5:55This is your hole. Hit it and make those explosive plays.
5:58Yeah, not really, because I just think he's an elite talent that can do everything at a high level.
6:03If you do look at some of the underlying metrics, though, this past season, Saquon was 16th in rushing yards before contact in 2025.
6:10Obviously, that number was second in 2024. He was seventh in explosive runs this past season, which is still quite good with 58.
6:17Again, he was second in 2024 with 77 of those that included touchdown runs of 72, 70, 68, 65, 39, 25 and 23 yards.
6:24Whereas this past season, he only had two touchdown runs longer than 13 yards.
6:28So would I have loved Jeff Stoutland to, again, return and coach this group back to the big success?
6:33Yes. But do I also think that health and continuity and getting all these really good players back on track and, again,
6:40just having injury luck on your side is going to be an even bigger deal?
6:44100%. And so, Matt, I actually think that this is kind of akin to the value that we got with Christian McCaffrey at this time last year.
6:52Like, if you're going to ask me the one player who's drafted later who can finish as the overall best running back
6:58and is not being selected anywhere close to it, I think I'm going to go back to Saquon Barkley because we were
7:05drafting him as such 365 days ago. I think that's a really good point just on we've seen him do it before.
7:11A lot of the guys that are kind of drafted around him at the one-two turn, we're hopeful that they can do that.
7:18Just the fact that he's done it before, to me, I'm going to bring ties in his favor.
7:23Well, you guys have given me a lot to think about.
7:26I don't know if I love that on your first episode here, but I'm going to have to now go and take a look at my rankings.
7:34That makes me a little bit uncomfortable. Also, speaking of uncomfortable, Hayden, you talk about the guy that you are going to
7:40bring up here in a negative sense. I was just in Canton for the Fantasy Football Expo this weekend, and I went
7:47with kind of a stars and scrubs approach in the salary cap draft for the Kings Classic League.
7:52And one of those stars is one of the players you're about to bring up here.
7:56So this might make me a little bit uncomfortable, but let's hear it.
8:00Who's the first player you are strongly against ADP on?
8:03I've got James Cook ranked like 14th, 15th. And on Yahoo, he's the 10th overall pick.
8:08So when we're talking about the first and second rounders, like any difference at all we should talk about because this is
8:14where leagues are largely won and lost. My problem with James Cook is I'm not expecting him to be a full-blown bust.
8:21I just fear that there's not a pathway for him to be a top three scorer at the position.
8:26Last year, he led the NFL in carries per game at 19 rushing yards per game, 98 yards per carry was at 5.1.
8:33So a great number. We know he's good. I just don't think that the volume is going to be there in terms
8:39of the goal line work slash the receptions. Last year, he was 39th in receptions per game at 1.9.
8:45And I think there's like reasons why that the Buffalo Bills are doing that.
8:49You add in the DJ Moore acquisition. I think some of the potential for the receiving work could go to DJ Moore at this point.
8:56Josh Allen's still a knucklehead at the five-yard line himself.
8:59And then we'll just throw maybe one little shade towards the Buffalo Bills.
9:02They lost their offensive line coach. They lost a veteran interior offensive lineman.
9:06You just never know when you're promoting an offensive coordinator to head coach.
9:10There's just maybe a little bit of uncertainty where the Bills have been first, second, and third in every single offensive stat over the last couple of years.
9:18If they're seventh and he's not catching passes, I can see James Cook finishing as like the running back 10 this year.
9:24And I don't want to spend the 10th overall pick if it's going to be hard for me to beat the Jameer
9:31Gibbs team who's drafting in the one spot. This is an interesting one.
9:35I think I agree with your premise, Hayden, that he likely does not have a top three overall scoring back in his outcomes.
9:41At the same time, I think he's kind of fairly priced if you're not aiming for the stars.
9:46Now, I think you could argue from a strategy standpoint, you should be like shooting for the stars at that one, two turn.
9:53Because as we have seen in recent years, some of the best players in phase football, you're still able to draft at
10:0010, 11, 12, 13, whatever it is. They also lost their left guard, you know, in frequency went to the New Orleans Saints.
10:06So there's some continuity there. That's a big deal.
10:09And for as much conversation, we talk about Jalen Hurts and the tush push and scoring every single time from the one or two yard line.
10:16Josh Allen is right on his heels. If not taking that crown, maybe this year as well.
10:21So despite what James Cook scoring 18 and 14 touchdowns over the last few years, there is a possibility that maybe he scores a few fewer.
10:29And that would drastically change his outcome this season.
10:31I guess I kind of disagree with the idea that he doesn't have a top three ceiling, although I think those are some good points.
10:39One, I think offensive line continuity was like that's one starter that they've lost out of the other four they're bringing back.
10:45You know, I think that's probably pretty good when we're talking about most of the offensive line continuity part of it.
10:51The other thing, I mean, look, if you just want to close your eyes and say I'm getting the feature back from
10:57an offense that's going to moonwalk into the top five, top six, as long as Josh Allen has a pulse, then I feel pretty good about that, too.
11:06And the last thing, and I don't want to just buy too much into, you know, camp reports and everything like that,
11:12but we just had Zane on last week. Doing like a training camp news recap update thing like that sort of episode.
11:18And I did like how he brought to the table a lot of reports that James Cook is going to be used
11:25more in the passing game this year. And normally I would kind of just throw that out as, all right, that's what they say all the time.
11:32But it wasn't talking about like, we're going to line up James Cook in the slot, which Hayden, we know like that never happens.
11:39It was more about like Pete Carmichael's coming over here from the New Orleans Saints to be the offensive coordinator.
11:45Long time, obviously he's with the Broncos, but long time with the Saints, the whole deal there.
11:50And that's the same coaching tree that Joe Brady comes off of.
11:54And they've made a lot of use of the running back is like the choice route guy out of the backfield.
12:00And I think there is still a vacuum for a player like that in the offense.
12:04So I've been looking at that kind of receiving upside for James Cook.
12:08And like we haven't fully seen it yet. But remember, like when they drafted James Cook, the whole thought process was like, well, we didn't get JD McKissick.
12:16Like we got to get a receiving back in here.
12:19Let's take James Cook. To be fair, he's not been that player.
12:23He's actually been just a significantly better runner. But I don't know, Hayden, do you think I'm buying in too much to
12:29kind of like a theory here with a late first round pick?
12:32And that might be where I'm going off base on this one.
12:36I think James Cook could catch the ball if they scheme him up.
12:40And like there is, you know, the new OC coming in could lead that to happen.
12:44I think that the other thing we have to kind of account for is he's coming off of, you know, I hate
12:51to be like he came off a huge touch season.
12:54Like you want your running back said touch the ball 342 times.
12:57But he did touch the ball 342 times last year as 190 pounder.
13:01Like that is one thing when, you know, Saquon is doing it all the time.
13:05You know, when someone that small is getting the ball that that often like you do have to kind of worry if
13:11like they do want to give him the rock 350 times again this year.
13:16Yeah, Matt. I also disagree with Hayden. He's still going to be my 12th overall player.
13:20I just you didn't I didn't want Hayden to like be in an island on this.
13:25I was trying to both sides it a little bit.
13:28But just to back up some of the stats.
13:30Yeah, some of the stats. Yeah, I got to back up my dude over here.
13:35You know, as Hayden said, he was second only behind CMC when you combine postseason touches and regular touches.
13:40And then something that you said for Tree Bar is written about where he's averaging 20 fancy points in games that Buffalo
13:46has won over the last two seasons, which is sixth most compared to 10 fancy points in losses, which is running back 26.
13:53Obviously, we expect the Buffalo Bills to be really good and win a whole bunch of games.
13:58But it goes to what you're talking about that unless he is being used more often in the passing game.
14:04I think it was like 49% other passing snaps last year that James Cook played.
14:08Then, yeah, some of those negative game script moments, he gets phased out a bit more often.
14:13Yeah, I mean, regardless of whether we agree or disagree, I think we can all certainly agree that like breaking ties in the first round is really important.
14:21Like you got to get these picks right. And if you can get a big hit here, that is pretty significant.
14:27But let's leave kind of this first round headliner pick range here, Josh, for your next guy.
14:32And let's get back on the positivity track. Who are you against ADP on for your next player?
14:37Terry McLaurin, old faithful here. He's being drafted as wide receiver 24, 55th overall.
14:41Matt, I have him as the 38th overall player at wide receiver 20.
14:45So considerably higher than consensus. Just overall, when we're in these summers talking about the same thing for multiple months, I actually
14:52think there's a hidden edge in correctly predicting how new play callers are going to impact new offenses and especially veterans that
14:58we all think we have figured out. Maybe there's a bit of an untapped section of their game that has been utilized in these last few years.
15:06And I think Terry McLaurin is the perfect example of that.
15:09We know two years ago when Cliff came in and really simplified this commander's offense.
15:13It was good. It worked out. Then it got super stale last year and everything worked against them, especially injuries to Jaden Daniels.
15:20But with Terry, it's just kind of been like, and you know this, Matt from Chartingham, like so stale for multiple seasons.
15:26I mean, he played left wide receiver, I think on the line of scrimmage, on the outside, 74% of the time.
15:32I mean, he's so static. And what do we talk about so often when talking about the best wide receivers across the league?
15:39It's that outside to inside versatility. It's getting him in motion.
15:42It's getting him into stacks. It's giving them free releases and extra space so they can really utilize their skills to accentuate that and make it even better.
15:50You could argue that Terry's never gotten that. And so in this offense that he is clearly the best target getter and
15:57target earner, I think that David Blau, despite calling his plays for the first time, has a real chance to put Terry
16:03McCorn in like top 20, top 15 in terms of like true opportunity at a wide receiver one spot this season.
16:09That would be lovely if it comes true. He's he's played 23 games with James Daniels.
16:14He's the wide receiver 14 on wide receiver 26 usage.
16:17That's using the full PPR scoring there. And obviously in half PPR is a little bit better because his eight odds way down the field.
16:24I'm hopeful that's the case. They still don't have anybody else to throw the ball to here.
16:29So kind of where I have him ranked is the like all those guys, you know, a Mecca, Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson,
16:35like the guys that can have 150 plus targets.
16:38I have those guys ranked ahead. And then like the boom bust here, which is, you know, Christian Watson, Terry McLaurin, Jameson Williams, Roma Dunze, Mike Evans types.
16:46I think you can make a good case that Terry McLaurin belongs at the very top of that is like a really strong fourth rounder.
16:53That's pretty much exactly how I see it is.
16:56He's kind of the headline guy for me in that tier of players like the there is more volatility there.
17:02But I mean, yeah, you're not going to get a lot of pushback from me on positive Terry McLaurin agenda.
17:07And I love the point you brought up, Josh, about it's we all know this, that it's the static kind of just
17:14one side of the field deployment with Jaden Daniels and Cliff Kingsbury the last couple of years for Terry McLaurin.
17:20But I mean, this really does date back deep into Terry's career.
17:23Like I just taped a video for my personal YouTube channel talking about like Nico Collins, how he has real like outlier
17:29deployment as a number one receiver is just pretty much only used at the X receiver position.
17:34And when you look back, like the historic comparisons of guys that are that X heavy, like Terry pops up so many
17:41times because that's just like all he was doing even prior to Cliff Kingsbury getting there.
17:45Like you could argue that this is going to be the most dynamic deployment that Terry's ever seen in his entire career.
17:52He's a good player, should be able to own a ton of targets in this offense.
17:56And as long as Jaden Daniels is healthy, he's tethered to a good quarterback.
18:00So Josh, I think this is another kind of one.
18:03You don't have to think too hard, even if he let you down last year due to some circumstances.
18:09Yeah. And part of the reason he lets you down is I think we have enough evidence at this point over the
18:15last few years, Matt, that if you hold out during training camp and don't get the time on task and reps, that impacts your season.
18:22And we've seen injuries happen because of it. We've seen slow starts happen because of it.
18:27That's exactly what happened to Terry McLaurin. And yeah, I mean, it's not just, you know, moving him around.
18:32I just think this offense, everything that you read from JP Finley or whoever else out there covering the commanders, Ben Standig,
18:39like you're going to get a more balanced offense.
18:41You're going to get more motion. You're going to get more play action.
18:45These are all the easy buttons for wide receiver production.
18:48Again, that Terry just hasn't had. And I swear the first sentence that David Blau uttered when taking over as the play
18:54caller for this team, he said, how do we get Terry McLaurin 10 targets per game?
18:59Yes, I'll take that. I'll do that every single week.
19:02And I think there's a possibility we've approached that this season.
19:05Yeah, I'll take the under on, you know, 170 targets if we're doing the 10 per game.
19:10But I like the intention, the stated intention from David Blau, who I'm pretty Blau curious as well.
19:15Hayden, we'll come back to you for your next one.
19:18And I think of all the ones that are on the list here, this is going to be the least popular with
19:25the people out on social media, the people in the comments section.
19:28So let's hear it. Who's your player that you're strongly against ADP on?
19:32I have a Marion Hampton ring 22nd. He goes 17th on Yahoo.
19:35I'm looking across all the Yahoo rankers. We got six of them right now.
19:39And there's people on good sides here where we have people in the top 12.
19:44And then Matt and I, it looks like we're a little bit lower on Omar and Hampton.
19:49This one I can't see going either way. I'm just looking at the second round.
19:53And I see a lot of running backs who have done this before.
19:57And I'll throw in the Brock Bowers, Drake London types at wide receiver and tight end that I think I would rather
20:03go with than Omar and Hampton, who I view as extremely boom bust.
20:07I thought last year you saw the explosiveness. I like that with Mike McDaniel.
20:11In theory, the Chargers offensive line could be actually good rather than like the worst in the league.
20:16And at the same time, there is a history of a committee backfield approach.
20:20They got Keaton Mitchell back out there. I think that Kimani Vidal is a really good pass protector.
20:25I thought that was one area going back to the Hampton film.
20:29I thought he really struggled in pass protection while being very good as a receiver.
20:33So he could be one of these profiles where you dial him up a couple of times, but he's not playing all
20:40the snaps that we're typically seeing from like someone like Chase Brown, who goes right next to him in ADP, who just
20:46does not come off the field all that much.
20:49So I like Hampton. I'm just worried that he's not quite as good as I was hoping for last year.
20:54And I think that some of the safety of like the Drake London types out there where it's hard to find that
21:01like really stable wide receiver one right now. And I think that those type of guys leave me a little bit.
21:07They made me feel a little bit safer than the Omar and Hampton boom bust nature of this.
21:12Yeah. You guys have done this for long enough where it can be sometimes difficult to separate what you think about a
21:18player versus the awesome environment that he's in. And sometimes you shouldn't like sacrifice your individual view of a player.
21:24And like, I don't love Omar and Hampton as an individual talent compared to a whole bunch of people that view him as, you know, an elite player.
21:32He is so big and so fast. And that combination can be so good.
21:36He does have some other elements as Payton outlined that I don't totally love.
21:40But you know what I do love is freaking Mike McDaniel and his rushing schemes.
21:45And this is one of those situations where I believe that Omar and Hampton is going to get the first crack at it.
21:51I'm hoping that the Chargers offensive line is healthy entering the season, especially with their tackles and their new center.
21:57If that's the case, I trust in Mike McDaniel's, again, schematics here to put Omar and Hampton in a position to succeed.
22:04And when that's the case, good running back scoring has been produced from this offense, right?
22:08I mean, 2025, the running back five in points per game.
22:112024, running back 11 in points per game. 2023, we've got both the running back three and four in points per game.
22:18Mike McDaniel's offense is ranked fifth in yards per rush for running backs, fifth in success rate, and first in explosive run rate.
22:24So, again, I have individual reservations about Omar and Hampton, and yet I am still ranking him as a top 14 talent
22:31this year just because I don't want to be out on Mike McDaniel's offense really at any point in drafts this year.
22:37Yeah, it's tough to be kind of a little lower on Omar and Hampton.
22:41I think running back wise, I can hear an argument to have him ahead of A-chan, ahead of Chase Brown, who I've currently got him with those players.
22:49I'm not totally strongly holding that opinion. But, Hayden, I don't know if you see it the same way, but when I
22:56look at him versus some of the receivers that go in the second round, that's where I've had a tough time boosting him up the overall rankings.
23:03To me, I just feel really good about the receivers in that range and that tier, and that's where I've had the
23:10hardest time getting him up the overall rankings. Yeah, I guess I view him closer to the Jeremiah Love area rather than
23:16the Saquon Barkley, and right now the ADP is just closer to the Saquon Barkley tier.
23:21It's just, there's, obviously I'd rather have Hampton because the offense is so much better than Arizona's, but I just don't think
23:27that those stats coming from the Devon A-chan stuff from the Miami are necessarily going to translate for the charge.
23:33I really love the McDaniel stuff, but some of that stuff is because Devon A-chan is one of the best running backs in the NFL.
23:40So, it's mostly the Drake, London, Brock Bowers. I feel way better about that.
23:44I think Nico Collins is right in that conversation for me as well, where I would rather spend my second round pick
23:51on that tier of wide receiver if I didn't miss out on the running back targets I actually do like in the beginning part of the second round.
23:59Yeah, I can totally see how this doesn't work.
24:01Like, at the end of the season, if you tell me that, you know, Amarn Hampton finishes as the 22nd or 30th
24:08best player in fantasy football, or even worse than that, potentially, I can go back to my thoughts right now and say
24:14it's because of this reason and that reason. At the same time, I also think this is one of those players, if
24:20everything hits right, then you have like a real difference maker in fantasy.
24:24And if we're trying to win our league and be, you know, top one, top two, top three, and like get to
24:31the championship and contend for the finals, I think like this type of environment and a player that fits in the environment
24:37has a chance of like being one of the true difference makers in fantasy football this year.
24:42It's a really good argument. It's a really good argument that I think you can kind of come down on both sides
24:48here on this one because I have zero ecosystem concerns with Amarn Hampton.
24:52Like I just taped the top 10 offenses show on football 301 with Nate, and I had the Chargers at seven.
24:58He had the Chargers at three. Like we're gassed up about the Chargers offense overall.
25:02Obviously, Nate, even more so than I was. And I think it comes down to just like we review on Amarn Hampton as a player.
25:10So I think that's going to be like an evolving conversation over the course of August.
25:14But for now, we're going to take real quick.
25:17Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yep. If you're lower on Amarn Hampton, does that mean you're higher on Keaton Mitchell or is
25:23it just the split in this backfield? You're just not into it all.
25:27I mean, Keaton Mitchell, it's fine. Like you want to take him in the late rounds.
25:32Cool. I don't I think he will be an interesting player that is sprinkled in.
25:36I wonder if this team is just more pass heavy than we're kind of projecting because I think they are quietly kind of loaded with.
25:43Obviously, they have a really good number one receiver, in my opinion, in Lad McConkie.
25:48But I think their role players around in the receiver room are interesting.
25:51Like Trey Harris is an interesting third receiver. QJ is better than people think he is, even if he's a flawed player.
25:58Brennan Thompson, I think, could get sprinkled in. Like they've got three tight ends that could roll out here.
26:03So that's been kind of my concern with the Chargers is that I actually think they're going to be a little more pass heavy than maybe people think.
26:11I just had to ask that Keaton question because, you know, on Twitter, that's the entire conversation.
26:16It's one or the other and they aren't going to coexist.
26:19But I think Keaton's going to kind of have his role.
26:23And then it's the Omar in Hampton. And if he doesn't work out, then kind of Kamani Baidal fits into that stuff.
26:29Yeah, get the Keaton Mitchell name in here. Spoken like a true SEO professional, Josh Norris.
26:34There we go. Okay, we are going to take our first quick break.
26:37We come back. We continue to roll through some players.
26:40Josh and Hayden are against ADP on. We'll get into that right after this.
26:44All right, we're back. Keaton Mitchell in the previous segment.
26:47That's a buzzy Twitter player. This guy is also very buzzy on Twitter.
26:51Basically, every single week that I see this is Josh.
26:54Josh, third player that you are against ADP on.
26:56Let's hear it. Yeah, and again, this is the positive side of the conversation.
27:01Parker Washington drafted his wide receiver 39. So that's around 91st overall right now.
27:05I have him 69th. He's the highest ranked Jaguars wide receiver for me.
27:08And I don't think that that's a hot take.
27:11I mean, he finished last season as their best pass catcher.
27:14Matt, just when going back and rewatching him in preparation for this, he wins small in terms of, I think, quickness and some yards up the catch.
27:22And he also wins big in terms of tight window targets and especially those big, massive crossing routes over the middle of
27:28the field that Liam Cohen really designs so many things around.
27:32That is arguably the most important route that Liam Cohen draws up on a weekly basis.
27:36And then you can just look at, you know, since what, week nine of last season, game number nine for them, when
27:43Jacoby Myers, Brian Thomas Jr., and Parker Washington were all in the field, Parker Washington led the team with 31% of the
27:49target share and had 3.17 yards per route run.
27:51So he plays in the slot. He plays in the outside.
27:55He plays in two wide receiver sets. He plays in three wide receiver sets.
27:59And to me, once he gets an extension during training camp, cross your fingers, I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to
28:05climb up boards prior to week one. I'm looking at all of our rankings and five of the six of us have
28:11him ranked ahead of the 98th overall that he's on Yahoo.
28:15I just think that's that's way too low of an ADP.
28:18We're all way higher than that. He finished way higher than that once he was a starter.
28:23I think his film is good. He's tough. He's got yards after the catch ability.
28:27You can work him over the middle. So I think he's just a tier above the Jacoby Myers of it all.
28:33And I think that a lot of the offense will go to Parker Washington over the middle and then Brian Thomas, obviously, over the top.
28:40And I think those are the two wide receivers that you want in Jacksonville.
28:44And then I think I'm going to be personally fading Jacoby Myers just because I think Parker Washington does similar things.
28:51I just think at a step ahead in terms of his his pace on the field.
28:55Yeah, funny enough here, Josh, I actually have Parker Washington ranked higher than you among wide receivers, but he is the second
29:02Jacksonville receiver for me, because as we talked about last week on your earlier this week on your show with Brian Thomas Jr.
29:08He to me, I think if there's going to be like a massive hit from this receiver room, it will be BTJ.
29:15I think he just because he's the X receiver, he's going to be on the field all the time.
29:20We've seen the highest highs from him among the wide receivers here in the NFL so far in this receiver room.
29:26But I mean, that doesn't mean you have to dislike Parker Washington, because even if you do think as I do, it
29:33is kind of going to be a receiver rotation.
29:35You still want to take your shots. Like I compared this room to the Packers in previous years where it's a bunch
29:41of guys rotating and, you know, somebody's coming on and off the field.
29:45I do think that's going to happen this year for these guys, but you still take your shots on that room.
29:51Okay, because what if I'm wrong about that? And it is just, you know, Brian Thomas Jr.
29:56Parker Washington on the field all the time attached to an offense that, I mean, does anybody not think this Jags offense
30:03is going to be good this year? Year two of Liam Cohen, Trevor showing some good signs last year.
30:08So I'm just curious, Josh, when you went back and watched Parker Washington, like how good of a player do you think he is?
30:15Like real life NFL receiver wise, where could he rank?
30:18I mean, isn't this a question for me to ask you?
30:21Because he'd like probably didn't fit into a bucket for you to ever chart until this offseason, right?
30:26Like your three wide receivers. Chart him as a prospect because I'm a sicko.
30:30Sicko. But even as a prospect, I mean, we talk about athleticism.
30:34He fell through the cracks, yet he is an incredible athlete.
30:37And you see that, I think, on the field.
30:40And he has a developing game. Like the more time he got on the field, Matt, I thought he improved as a player.
30:46And we talked about this on our channel yesterday that, you know, so often we are drafting players based on, you know, the final seven, eight games.
30:54And maybe I'm being guilty of that this time with Parker Washington because prior to Travis Hunter's injury, Parker only had 17
31:01catches for 207 yards and a touchdown in seven games.
31:03And then afterwards, you know, he just leads the team with 640 receiving yards, 41 receptions, and four touchdowns in the final 10 games.
31:10So again, maybe I am looking myself in the mirror and being like, why would you do this?
31:16And I am doing it. And I'm also pulling like the true fantasy ranker card here and going back to back with Parker Washington and Brian Thomas Jr.
31:24in my ranking. Oh, yeah. The hedge rankings, baby.
31:26Listen, you're uncomfortable. You're uncomfortable. That's how I have the Bears this year.
31:30I've got them the hedge ranking as well. And I did have to move Roma Junze ahead of Luther Burden after Hayden mogged me.
31:37He Rome mogged me on the show yesterday. So I couldn't stand for that.
31:41I couldn't stand for that. That can't be allowed to happen.
31:44But yeah, just last word on Parker Washington. The only thing I actually would kind of give your argument more credence here,
31:51Josh, is that I don't think what happened with Parker Washington before Travis Hunter's injury really matters because he wasn't playing as a slot receiver then.
31:58He was playing a lot, but it was as an outside kind of reserve receiver.
32:02He didn't crack 40% of the snaps in the slot until after Travis Hunter got hurt during the bye.
32:08He didn't crack 60% until week 15. And I hate to do this stuff, but I did do it in his profile,
32:14so I'll do it anyways or whatever. If you just look at the games where he did play over 60% of snaps
32:21in the slot, he had like an 85th percentile success rate versus zone coverage.
32:25So I think they found the right role for him to be – I've called him Bud Light Golden Tate in his prospect profile.
32:32Now I just kind of think he's full ABV Golden Tate.
32:35That's the player he most reminds me of. So Hayden, let's get to your third player.
32:40That was way too much positivity on Parker Washington.
32:42Let's get negative here again. Yeah, I got Rico Dowdle.
32:45He goes 78th overall. That just feels pretty rich.
32:48This one just feels fragile to me just based off of the Steelers offense, obviously the Aaron Rodgers of it all.
32:54And then just looking at the tendencies from Mike McCarthy, he has 24 seasons as an offensive coordinator or head coach, which by the way, that's insane.
33:02On average, his offenses have finished 11th in pass attempts, 18th in rush attempts.
33:06They do want to do the three wide receiver set stuff.
33:09They do want to pass the ball quickly. I think that all seems like more Jalen Warren to me than Rico Dowdle.
33:15He's going to get some snaps here, but if he's going to be like the closer, I'm not sure if the Steelers
33:21are like a good enough team where that's going to be a reliable role necessarily.
33:26He has some history with Mike McCarthy, but a lot of that was as a change of pace runner.
33:31I think that Jalen Warren is a better all-around talent.
33:34You look at the money he got, $5 million guaranteed.
33:37That's less than like the Chris Rodriguez is of the world.
33:40So I just think that Jalen Warren is going to be the guy that you have to choose between Warren or Dowdle.
33:47I like Warren. I think he's a better scheme fit here.
33:50You look at what Kenneth Gainwell was able to do last year.
33:53I think Warren's going to absorb a lot of that and still be a nice one-two tandem on the ground here.
33:59So Rico Dowdle just feels a little bit fragile to me, and I want to spend my running back picks ahead of the Rico Dowdle range this year.
34:08Yeah, I totally agree with that. I will add in a moment of honesty here, I have no idea how to rank
34:14Steelers in general other than Michael Pittman Jr. because he can just do what they asked DK Metcalf to do last year.
34:20I mean, I just love to, I am lower than everyone else, all of you and our other colleagues on Jalen Warren.
34:27I'm lower than all of you. Also on Rico Dowdle, that's probably the case here with DK Metcalf at the same time.
34:33Matt, it might go back to like, I just don't want to watch the Steelers every single Sunday.
34:38Like that offense is a brutal, from an entertainment standpoint.
34:41And maybe that's just infiltrating my brain here. My only thing is there is a lot of history and you touched on
34:47it, Hayden, but you know, Mike McCarthy gave Rico Dowdle the ball 275 times back in 2024.
34:52And he finished as the running back 26 in points per game.
34:56And you know, last season we got the 200 plus rushing yard performances on multiple occasions.
35:01I'm not sure if that's going to happen this year on the Steelers with the Jalen Warren-ness of it all.
35:06It took forever for Mike McCarthy to even get Rico Dowdle involved though, that season that he did have a thousand yards.
35:13Like that took a, I remember that because I was on this show talking about it constantly.
35:18Maybe they should just get Rico Dowdle involved. Like it's enough already with Zeke and those other guys.
35:23So yeah, I honestly have my follow-up question to you guys was going to be, is there any Steelers player you're proactively drafting?
35:29Because like I would say no for me, like sometimes I fall ass backwards into Jalen Warren because like, I need kind
35:36of a second running back and a hero running back build.
35:39Sometimes if like I'm going heavy running back early, I need just somebody to be a warm body in the receiver room.
35:45I find myself to Michael Pittman, but sounds like the answer is no for Josh Hayden.
35:50Is there any Steeler your flag planting here? Not DK Metcalf worried about the Michael Pittman.
35:55I don't think Michael Pittman is good enough to clear the bar either.
35:58I think the one is it's just Jalen Warren, but I like the range that he goes.
36:03It's kind of like the last call of running backs to me where you have Chuba, Ramondre, Jalen Warren, Tony Pollard.
36:09Those guys are going to be in your flex spot.
36:12I can guarantee it to start the season. And I think all of them are capable enough players individually where they can keep that the entire season.
36:20All of a sudden there's other injuries around them and they finish as the running back 20 on the season.
36:26So to me, that's where I like. And then also that range, those wide receivers feel risky to me.
36:31And then we get down to the Ricky Pierce, all Josh Downs, uh, Matthew golden, all that tip type of tier wide receiver.
36:38The next couple rounds, I kind of like where Jalen Warren is going and I just don't like it where doubtless.
36:44Making decisions at last call. When has that ever gone wrong for anyone before?
36:48Josh, let's get to your fourth player here that you're against ADP on.
36:52Let's talk Sam Laporta. I don't think Sam Laporta has gotten any attention from anyone this off season.
36:57And I want to change that. All right. He's going as tight end eight around 77, 78 overall.
37:02Uh, I've missed the tight end six. So when you look at the three quarterbacks who have targeted the tight ends at
37:09the highest rate over the last three seasons, so 2023 through 2025, two played for drew Petsing, one played for Kevin Zafanski.
37:15So that's Jacob said at 34%, Kyler at 34% and store Sanders at 32%.
37:19So yes, one interpretation of that is, well, those first two guys through to Trey McBride, he's pretty fricking good.
37:25And then the last one, uh, Shador could only throw to Harold Fannin.
37:29And that was the entire offense. I'll come at it from a different angle.
37:33I'll say it's a foundation of the tree of where this offense comes from.
37:37Norv Turner, Kevin Zafanski, drew Petsing, that the tight end is the primary read on a number of concepts.
37:42You can go back to 2023 and David and Joe who nearly led the Browns in targets that year.
37:48So we have already have a season under our belt where Sam Laporta finishes the tight end one points per game, albeit
37:54a down season for tight ends that year. But this is another case, Matt, where we already have a ton of veterans
38:01on this roster and we have a new play caller coming in after a failed one last year.
38:06And who's going to benefit the most from it in an offense.
38:09It's probably going to score a bunch of points.
38:12To me, that's Sam Laporta of this group. Other than, you know, the obvious I'm on Ross St.
38:17Brown and Jameer Gibbs of where they're being drafted.
38:20I like when these players are being drafted, kind of where their baseline is.
38:24And then if something happens to one of the top guys, they absolutely go crazy.
38:28Like if something happened to a Monro St. Brown, Sam Laporta would be very much a top three ish fantasy tight end.
38:34And JMO. I'll say JMO too, Hayden, because I think there's like some on and off splits of when JMO doesn't have a good game.
38:42That means Sam Laporta has a good game. Yeah.
38:44I really like him in best ball where you don't have to predict when he's going to have his, his touchdowns and
38:51when they're falling behind in the scoreboard. I also want to mention the defense is like still very much up in the air in Detroit.
38:58They're secondary. It's just, they cannot dodge injuries and jail time on that side of the balls.
39:03This is going to be a shootout team. The entire division is completely stacked here.
39:07So I think taking your chances on Sam Laporta is interesting.
39:10I didn't want to make one kind of note, just big picture.
39:14There's like 10, uh, tight ends on Yahoo. Who's have 80 P's inside the top 100.
39:18Just in general, the Titans go way earlier on Yahoo than anywhere else.
39:22And I'm trying to figure out exactly what that means.
39:25I think I'm kind of translating that as like, let's just get Brock Bowers on the team.
39:30Then it's like, we're drafting Tyler Warren in the fourth round and Sam Laporta is going in the fifth round.
39:36Like, let's just pay the premium on Brock Bowers, uh, in the second round and break ties that way.
39:41But it is just interesting. And we'll get to my guide next.
39:45Like they're like all being drafted in the fifties and sixties and then everywhere else are being drafted closer to eighties to 115 overall.
39:52So just a kind of, uh, trend across Yahoo in general.
39:55Yeah, Matt, I think that's from the mindset of, I need to build out my full starting lineup.
40:00So I feel like comfort with a week one starting lineup.
40:03So rather than take your running back three or your tight end or your wide receiver four, it's, you know, filling that tight end slot.
40:11One final point here. This entire off season has been about, you know, heavy personnel sets and 13 personnel and how all
40:17these teams are drafting tight ends high. Um, I would argue that drew Petsing was at the forefront of 13 personnel.
40:23You know, I'm not gonna say Sean McVay took it from him, but that's the case.
40:28When you look at it, like drew Petsing has a third most plays of 13 personnel over the last two seasons, including
40:34the second most passing plays and tied for the most 15 plus yard passing plays out of it at 28, 15 plus yard gains.
40:41So look, I'm not saying that the majority of this offense is going to take Jamison Williams off the field or else
40:47Lions fans are going to yell at me. But in that case, when they do, and it's Amon Ross St.
40:53Brown, I think the other direction that targets our funnel to is going to be Sam Laporta.
40:58And that could be some major explosives for him too.
41:01Yeah, I, I, I don't, I actually have Sam Laporta exactly where you have Josh from like, and I have missed Titan six.
41:08Uh, so, and I want to be taking Sam Laporta this year.
41:11I don't want to over index too much on the drew Petsing part of this because, and this is totally my theory.
41:17I could be very much wrong about this, but my guess is that drew Petsing here is mostly to fix a run
41:24game that I thought was kind of putrid under John Morton last year.
41:28Cause like the passing game generally looked the same from the Ben Johnson era to last year.
41:32Cause I think Dan Campbell's like the guiding force there.
41:35But even if you want to say that, like the, the reason you get to do sort of a choose your own
41:42adventure with Jamison Williams as to like why he had these massive first half, second half splits where in the first half
41:48of the season, he was targeted on fewer than 16% of his routes run.
41:52And it's like, Oh, was that Dan Campbell taking over the play calling?
41:56Or was that because Sam Laporta got hurt? Because in the first nine weeks of the season, Sam Laporta was way more
42:02involved in the offense than Jamison Williams. So I say, I like to say, like, I don't even think you need to
42:09do the drew Petsing, like his history stuff to say, Sam Laporta is a really good pick.
42:14Cause he's already an excellent player within this own offensive ecosystem, but that's, that's a tight end.
42:18It sounds like we all like Sam Laporta Hayden.
42:21You're going to talk about a tight end here that you do not like relative to ADP.
42:26Well, I love watching him. I love them as a prospect.
42:29It's Harold Fanden. I just can't get behind drafting a Browns tight end 70th overall, you know, and then collectively as a
42:36unit here, we have him ranked 89th overall. That's closer to where I have him.
42:40He's going to get the rock plenty. He's a, I think a sensational yards after the catch player.
42:45But I think the big question is Kevin Stefanski was willing to make a kind of exceptions to Harold Fanden, the blocker
42:51is Todd Malkin going to be able to do that.
42:54Do they have another blocking type? If they remove Harold Fanden from like, you know, 10% of the snaps, cause they don't
43:01trust him to be the like inline blocker. Those kinds of things matter to me.
43:05Also, you add a conception who first round wide receiver, who collectively we all absolutely loved him.
43:10Denzel Boston's kind of interesting. Um, and you still have the same offensive line and quarterback concern.
43:15So I like Malkin individually. I thought, uh, you have history with Brock Bowers at Georgia.
43:20You had history, obviously with both the Baltimore tight ends last year.
43:23I think he's a decent play caller here. He does seem so old school that he might be kind of having this
43:29conflict where he's like, I, I like Harold Fanden and the receiver here, but what he provides for me in terms of
43:36the run game and the blocking, I'm not sure if he's going to be able to make all the exceptions that we need him to be.
43:43If he is going to go 70th overall, right next to the Jalen Warren, uh, type of players who are going to
43:50average five, six more points per game, uh, in, in half PPR.
43:53Yep. Matt, going back and watching here, if I did have major questions about the blocking and I think, and maybe another
44:00offense, that would be more of a big deal.
44:02But then you look at the depth chart here for the Browns and after him, it is some guy named Blake White
44:08Hart, then a rookie fifth rounder and Joe Royer.
44:11Then Jack stall Carson Ryan. And then, uh, you have a fullback and Michael Burton.
44:15So I just like, don't know if they have a chance to remove Harold Fanden from like, and that, that was the
44:22big frustration of Monken over the last couple of years, right?
44:25It was, Hey, is this going to be a likely week?
44:28Is this going to be an injuries week? Is it going to be no one?
44:33Cause they just rotate all these tight ends. Uh, I don't think he has that option at this moment with how the
44:39depth chart stacks up at tight end. Yeah. Monken has been such like a offensive chameleon over the course of his long career.
44:46Now at this point, kind of based on who he's like, his offenses at Georgia, super different than the kind of grip
44:52it and rip it offense that he had with like Jameis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
44:56And during those really fun Tampa Bay Buccaneers years, which is really different by the way, than what we saw with the Ravens under Lamar Jackson.
45:04So I wasn't too worried about the idea that Fannin might not be on the field as much, but Hayden, your point
45:10about like the receivers being added here, Boston conception, you own that I think is the, the reason I'm lower than this,
45:17uh, on Fannin as well is because typically we just like, I don't see offenses run through the tight end.
45:22Like we saw last year with the Cleveland Browns.
45:25And usually that happens because the receivers aren't any good.
45:28I mean, we'll see what these guys are obviously rookies coming to the NFL, but even like Jerry Judy might be, I
45:34mean, he can't be any worse than he was last year, honestly, but like conception being in here is an upgrade.
45:40Boston is an upgrade. Like I, I worry that the target total, even if the snaps don't come down Hayden, I worry
45:47that the target total is coming down for Harold Fannin.
45:50Especially because I think Casey conception could, he's like one of the receivers that could just straight up do it all where
45:56I think he can be involved as the underneath guy.
45:59Some of the manufacturer touches that Fannin was obviously very good at.
46:02And I think there's like very real competition just in that part.
46:06And then Denzel Boston's a six foot four guy who could jump in the jump.
46:10And that might be the red zone threat. They're not going to get to the red zone very often.
46:16Then you like worry about the, all right, the last month of the season, like who's going to be starting quarterback for the, for the Browns there.
46:23Like you just never know what the situation is going to look like.
46:27So yeah, if it's healing green, then it's like, forget it.
46:30Like the whole, the whole thing is done. So that's where I'm just looking at the other guys.
46:36I just would rather punt tight end and like actually draft, like just give me Mark Andrews plus Dalton Kincaid, like rounds after.
46:42And I would rather go through that mess than like, I think the 70th overall pick is like still a semi-premium pick and fantasy.
46:49Yeah, it's, it's tough. I have been suspiciously like really hope hopeful about Shador Sanders, who was no good last year, obviously,
46:56because I'm just so, no, I mean, not from like a, I'm not personally invested, but I'm personally invested in these receivers.
47:02Like we talked about Concepcion in Boston. I'm less like, honestly, I just think Shador is their best hope, which is tough
47:08to say, but that's how low I am on Watson.
47:11And that's how fearful I am that why, like we might get to week 15 and Todd Monk is, eh, let's see
47:18what happens with old tailing green out there. And again, like, like Hayden said very well, forget it at that point.
47:24Uh, if it's tailing green, getting a couple of starts at the end of the season, but we're going to take our last quick break of the show.
47:32We come back. We've got two more players. These guys are strongly against ADP on.
47:36We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
47:39We've got two more players to talk through here that these guys are strongly against ADP on, including Josh, your next one.
47:46And I'm going to throw it to you like this.
47:49I honestly, I don't know. I have like no strong feelings about this player this year as a, as a entity and, uh, yeah.
47:55And fantasy. So let's hear it. Where are you at with, uh, Matthew golden green Bay Packers wide receiver.
48:01I mean, I'm kind of along the same lines as you.
48:04I've never been the most pro. Matthew golden guy.
48:07I know some people had him as like the wide receiver one or two in his draft class.
48:12I wasn't one of those people. Um, but I, I just think like the 12th round is just way, way, way too late.
48:19I mean, he's being selected as wide receiver 53 and one 42 overall.
48:22Uh, I have him in the top 100. Um, because this is just an offense.
48:27I want to take dart throws on and, you know, getting him in the 10th, 11th, 12th round is an awesome dart throw.
48:33Like as a rookie, he played 72 snaps and one or two wide receiver sets.
48:38You know, this Matt, uh, Jaden Reed in his career has only eight plays in one or two wide receiver sets.
48:44Um, and so Matthew golden to me while he is kind of an on the ground player who other than, I think
48:50it was one catch against the Cincinnati Bengals didn't show a lot to me after the catch.
48:55There's also that one against the Chicago bears as well.
48:58Yeah. I still think we aren't giving enough credence to him having the ability to improve in his second year.
49:04Uh, first round pick who has blazing speed, who, if he just came down with one fingertip grab in those opening handful
49:10of games when he was healthy, we'd have a totally different opinion of him and he didn't.
49:15And then he got hurt and didn't play. And so we're just getting a major discount on a player with flaws, but
49:21someone Matt, I think at this price and Hayden, uh, that I think could see massive improvements in your tip.
49:27Yeah. I think this is just a screaming value.
49:30It's a dart throw. You can drop them if he doesn't do anything, but I exactly former first rounders on good offenses.
49:36Like usually we're drafting these guys in like the sixties, seventies.
49:39And like, we're talking about after pick a hundred, like well after pick a hundred, uh, on Yahoo in particular right now.
49:46So I like the upside swing on a route basis.
49:49I mean, 16% targets per routes, not terrible. 1.4 yards per route.
49:52This isn't terrible. Those aren't great numbers, but there, there were some coaching comments saying like he wasn't fully grasping the playbook.
49:58Like that's the type of thing where hopefully, during the second season, things begin to slow down.
50:03They start manufacturing some touches to him. I think he can be a good yard after the catch player.
50:09Like he's got a little bit of density to somebody, how, how fast he is.
50:13Um, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he had a couple more moments this year after the catch.
50:19And that one play that he scored that touchdown, he did break up many tackles on that one.
50:24So maybe I'm dreaming of this upside that is like really tantalizing, but I think typically we draft this type of profile way earlier.
50:31I think the reason we, we don't talk about them is because he wasn't like the spreadsheet, uh, spreadsheets, darling as a college prospect.
50:38Um, so I think a lot of people were like, Hey, I told you he stinks.
50:42I remember I told you that as, as a prospect.
50:45Um, and I think it's far too early into his career, uh, to, to, to be coming up with, with those assumptions.
50:52Yeah, I was kind of like a Matthew golden centrist and I still find myself to be like a Matthew golden centrist, I guess a little bit.
51:00I had him wide receiver five in his draft class, uh, behind obviously Hunter was a wild card, but T Mac, a
51:06Buka burden, uh, had those guys all ahead of him.
51:09It was fine. Like same tier prospect as burden.
51:11And then like his rookie year film just didn't move me one way or another.
51:16Like it wasn't so good that I was like, I can't believe they didn't get this guy involved.
51:21And it wasn't so bad that I'm like that look that, that that's a future bust right there.
51:26But all that to say, Josh, I mean, yeah, the ADP is just who cares?
51:31Who cares? Take the shot because it is still a guy who should be an every down player, at least pretty close
51:37to it on an offense that I think could be worse this year.
51:41Like I, I do think the Packers as a team could take a step back.
51:45I'm a little worried about them just roster wise in that really strong division.
51:49But even if that's the case, like they're going to have to throw the football more, which I think is actually good
51:55news for all of these receivers here. Yeah. I mean, just a closing thought.
51:59The frustration has been in previous years of the Packers is you don't know from a week to week standpoint, uh, who
52:06the ball is going to, who's going to be on the field and what scenario these three guys in Christian Watson, Matthew
52:12golden and Jane Reed have to be on the field or else something went terribly, terribly wrong.
52:17And I think Matthew golden's the type that if we get to week one and he has one or two or three
52:24nice catches, either in training camp, these joint practices or in preseason games, then like the rocket ship is in store for
52:30him to climb three or four rounds. And in a lot of home leagues, I see the same way.
52:35I haven't ranked ahead of Jane and read like to me, if you're not in two wide receiver sets and today, like
52:42it's, it's just hard to get there. And I think that Matthew golden is going to open in two wide receiver sets ahead of Jane Reed.
52:49Sorry, Matt hate that, but yeah, whatever. That's fine.
52:52That's fine. Yeah. Hayden, since you just said that I'm going to allow you to close the show by, uh, talking down,
52:58you know, perhaps one of the best players to ever, uh, play the sport here.
53:03So, let's hear it, pal. Yeah. This Patrick Mahomes guy, I've had enough.
53:06Uh, this just comes down to like, you don't have to draft the guy coming off a torn ACL throw into, you
53:13know, who we've been talking about with Rasheed Rice and Kelsey and Xavier worthy.
53:17When there's like, there's like 16 quarterbacks that you can draft, uh, all in that tier, like Brock Purdy, Jackson dart.
53:23Now that Malik neighbors seems to be on the right path.
53:26Bo Nix just added, you know, Jalen Waddle. Uh, he's in that range.
53:30I think in redraft leagues, Kyler Murray is even more intriguing because if he gets benched eight weeks down the road, who cares?
53:36You just pick somebody up, you know, Matthew staffer, just one MVP.
53:40He goes after Patrick Mahomes, uh, Jared Goff, Jordan love.
53:43Like there's just so many names here. I just don't think you have to take the risk with, with Patrick Mahomes.
53:49And I think there'd be more balance on offense than they ever have been before because of the upgrade at running back.
53:55Uh, both tackles are very boom bust right now.
53:58And, uh, he's making progress, but he's definitely not going to be himself this year as a scrambler.
54:03So I don't see the reason to take on the risk.
54:06Yeah. Just, um, I say that I'm not, I'm actually with Hayden here.
54:10So Josh, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to dig myself a hole and have a, uh, you know, comment
54:16that can be clipped about being negative with Patrick from Holmes.
54:20Uh, I, I do buy your point on, um, just the quarterback room entirely that we can draft this year.
54:25It's, it's quite nice. And then your final point on the rushing.
54:29I mean, in just 14 games last year, he, uh, set a career high with 422 rushing yards and five rushing scores.
54:35Uh, and based on the atrophy that we saw in what that left leg, uh, just him walking into training camp.
54:41I'm not sure how much rushing this guy's going to do in, in critical situations and hence why they go out and
54:48make the only big move of the off season for their offense and was assigned Ken Walker, the third.
54:53So, uh, yeah, that there's just like no chance from, for a Mahomes type to get into true difference maker fantasy scoring,
55:00uh, if he's not running with the football and I just don't think he's running with the football this year.
55:05I think this offense and just this team as a whole looks like much more of a rock fight team than Patrick
55:12Mahomes is slinging the football all over the place with like Xavier, unless Cyrus Allen is the greatest receiver of all time, which, you know, there, there's this.
55:20You've been floating every single show we've done. We, it's Cyrus Allen gets brought up, but we might need to do a deep dive.
55:27It's, it's one of these ones where like, I can't really tell what's real and what's a bit anymore, but it's not 0% a bit.
55:34Let's, let's just put it that way with Cyrus.
55:37I mean, he's the, listen, he's their best man coverage, beating receiver on the team.
55:41There it is. It's just the reality of the situation.
55:44Oh, I've actually, I've actually been saying it that I was like, if you get two beers in me, I would say
55:50that he's the best man coverage, beating receiver on the, on the team and zero beers today, today so far.
55:56So yeah, there you go. Boys, this was excellent.
55:59Great. First show here on the forecast together, but of course, folks, make sure you're subscribing to Josh and Hayden's YouTube channel as well.
56:06It's very conveniently named Yahoo fantasy football with Josh and Hayden.
56:09wherever you get your podcasts, YouTube, all those things.
56:11You're going to be seeing a lot more of these two gentlemen on the show through the course of August and the football season.
56:18And on that note, I'm going to be back on Thursday here on this show with Justin Boone.
56:23As we go over our first Yahoo fantasy staff mock draft of the real official fantasy football drafting season.
56:29And I'm going to be able to reveal our full August calendar where again, like I said, you're going to be seeing a lot more.
56:36I mean, you see me every day. So if you're not sick of me already, I don't know.
56:41I don't know what, I don't know what you're doing here, but you're going to be seeing a lot more of Josh and Hayden as well.
56:49Could not be more excited to have these guys on the team.
56:52Could not be more excited that we are officially in fantasy football drafting season.
56:56We're going to see you guys on Thursday with Boone until then we are out.
57:01We'll be right back.
