0:00Big Show for you here today, Jory Epstein, a serious NFL reporter, joins me to discuss everything that she learned from her
0:0616 training camps that she went to on her training camp tour this summer.
0:09Yeah, that's right, 16 training camps. What a ton of work that she put in to get us some great insight from a ton of different teams.
0:16What does the Vikings offense look like under Kyler Murray?
0:19How are the Chargers integrating all their different talent in with Mike McDaniel?
0:22We also do a deep dive on some teams that changed over offensive coordinators.
0:26She's got some great stuff on the Eagles offense.
0:28You guys are going to want to hear that.
0:30Plus the Ravens as well. I mean, all that and more.
0:33So much more coming up on today's show. Let's get into it.
0:36What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon. Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast presented by Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL.
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0:49Oh boy. You gotta love to see it. And it is a hell of a day to talk ball because I am
0:55not in my little box at home in the home office.
0:57I'm out and about. I'm in the world. I'm in the big city, New York.
1:01And I'm with one of my best friends. Best.
1:04Wow. Jory Epstein. Jory, what's going on? How you doing?
1:06Matt, great to be here. Great to be elevated to one of your best friends, not just your friends.
1:11I'm excited to be here. We've got a great show in store, a great studio.
1:15Let's do this. The studio is great. It's a great time to talk ball because training camps are kind of winding down, you know?
1:21The preseason is winding down and the regular season is frighteningly close.
1:24And because of that, you, Jory, who are a serious individual, are your NFL reporter, senior NFL reporter?
1:29Whatever you call me to answer to it. Okay, great.
1:31Well, you are a serious real deal reporter, whereas I am just a fantasy knucklehead, you know, talking into my podcast, Mike,
1:37about, well, this guy might play this many snaps, this, that, and the other.
1:40You're actually on the ground talking to the people and the players and the coaches and all of the things.
1:45You've been to 16 training camps, Jory, 16 in the last month.
1:49So I'm going to ask you the most pressing fantasy questions we have for all of them, and you're going to get them all correct.
1:55That is absolutely what's going to happen. How else could this go?
1:58How else could this go? And then at the end of the show, we're going to answer your questions that you felt
2:04like you did not get answered from training camp in our Toyota fantasy hotline.
2:07However, before we get to any of that, yes, I must remind you all that it is a very exciting time here because it's coming up.
2:14We'll be right back. Live edition of the Yahoo fantasy forecast.
2:17You're getting ready for your draft. This is the place to be.
2:20Okay. Bring your friends, bring your enemies. I don't care.
2:22Bring your best friends. I can't bring my best friend, Jory, unfortunately, because you're a real reporter and you have real work to do.
2:29You're serious, real reporter. You have work to do, but I'm going to be there and I'm going to see you all
2:34there in Amherst, New York on Saturday, August 29th at 3 p.m.
2:37So, Jory, 16 training camps, your training camp tour.
2:40Number one, how do you feel spiritually and emotionally after doing all of that?
2:43I think unwell is the only correct answer, but you know what?
2:46It is exciting. I do love this and I kind of get competitive with myself.
2:50How many teams can I get to each year?
2:52So, last year I got to 17 between OTAs and training camp.
2:55This year when you add in the three from OTAs, I'm at 19.
2:59And it's helpful because it's not just about the stories I'm writing now.
3:02It's me with general managers, coaches, and players to try and understand, hey, in week five when all of a sudden this
3:08guy has a breakout season, what should I know?
3:10In week seven when unfortunately someone gets hurt, what do I need to know about the depth around them?
3:15In week two when the offense isn't quite there, that new coordinator, what's he actually going for?
3:19A very logistically ambitious trip. It really is. So, okay, the 16 teams that you've been to for training camp, and what
3:25a graphic, by the way, from the producers. I mean, producer Colin, it was definitely Jason Jung that did it, and Colin's going to take credit for it.
3:32But producer Colin, Jason Jung, JB, and the boys just absolutely crushing it with this camp graphic here.
3:37Vikings, Bears, Colts, Bengals, Packers, Browns, Cowboys, Chargers, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Broncos, Ravens, Commanders, Eagles, Steelers.
3:41We are going to get at least a note on all of these teams, but let's start.
3:45I'm going to go a little division by division here.
3:48Let's start in the NFC East, and we'll start with Washington first, Jory.
3:51Everyone has been talking about the red flags with the commanders' offensive line.
3:54I feel like we got a little doom and gloom on yesterday's show at the very end with Nate.
3:59I mean, we see our tweet here from Nikki Javala.
4:02This is the worst she's ever seen the commanders' offensive line in years.
4:05Inoperable offensive line is what Nikki is saying. Again, Nate had them as one of his units that he's most concerned with.
4:11So with that as a backdrop, what did you see?
4:13What did you hear in Washington? Yeah, the offensive line is a problem.
4:17You don't want to lose a guy like Laramie Tunsil.
4:19There's a reason they invested in a guy like him.
4:22They did sign DJ Humphries for some part of the rotation this week.
4:25But I think when I look at it, they tell me their receiver group is the deepest on the team.
4:30That's what they believe. The deepest position on the team.
4:33Really? Yeah, I don't know if that's good or bad.
4:35You can decide whether that just says something more about the other positions of the receivers.
4:39Wait, so real quick, when were you there? This week.
4:42Oh, this week. So this is obviously post-Diggs signing.
4:44Yeah, this is post-Diggs signing. I was there on Tuesday.
4:47It kind of all runs together. And they really felt that their receiver group is their deepest on the team.
4:52And I think they feel like they have a different group of complements.
4:55When you have Terry McLaurin going deep, you have Stephon Diggs kind of moving the chains.
4:59They got Luke McCaffrey. I think that they feel like those guys are going to complement each other nicely, particularly in this new offense.
5:05More under center. More play action. My question is, okay, if Jaden Daniels can stay healthy, I think that he can have a bounce back year.
5:12I don't think his talent fell off last year.
5:14I think the guys around him. I think the supporting cast.
5:17And I think his health were the problems. But to have all this under center and play action, you kind of need
5:23a line that can allow you to be under center and running play action.
5:26And so that is what I worry about. And I don't know that we're going to see that.
5:31I also think there's an element of a lot of camps I visit.
5:34And I would say the commanders are not exactly this.
5:37But part of it is, well, maybe your defense is ahead of your offense at some point.
5:41Your offense ahead of your defense. So sometimes what you're seeing, yes, you're going to have to play all the teams during the season.
5:47But I do think you can get a little bit skewed in what you've got.
5:51So I don't know. This offensive line does concern me.
5:54And I think the other pieces are there. The question is, if you can't get the protection, what can you do with them?
6:00And the other thing, and I'm curious is how the vibe of the coaching staff felt.
6:04Because the other part of this that I think everything you mentioned there about them being more under center.
6:09And look, Terry McLaurin and Stephon Diggs are probably in the reception perception Hall of Fame.
6:13Certainly Diggs. Terry McLaurin is definitely in the Hall of Very Good.
6:16I love these guys. I was ahead of consensus on these guys before they really had their big season.
6:21And I like their rookie, Antonio Williams. I know he's been impressive lately in camp, maybe kind of slow burn there.
6:26But I would say the rest of the room I maybe am squinting at a little bit.
6:31I don't know if they talked to you about the Traylon Burks experience and how they feel about that, that he's like
6:36maybe a starter for them in two receiver sets.
6:38I don't know. Anyways, but the point of all that is to say I want to be optimistic about this offense.
6:44But I do feel like the David Blau of it all is one of those things where in March, that seems really cool.
6:50They're like, oh, this guy is former backup quarterback.
6:52You know, it comes from like playing under Ben Johnson, more under center play action, all that.
6:56But then you get into camp and it's a big transition for a coach who doesn't have a lot of experience.
7:02Yeah. So two things I'll say is, first of all, he's been in the building for a few years.
7:07And I do think that makes a difference. The teams like Davis Webb at the Denver Broncos and here, it's very different
7:12than when I go to the Eagles and see Sean Mannion, who could have a lot of success, but he's having to
7:18learn the personnel and the personalities at the same time.
7:20When Dan Quinn was hired for the commanders, he intentionally had this staff where he's like, I want to make sure if
7:26we lose guys, he thought it would be Cliff Kingsbury to a head coaching job, not to whatever the assistant role he's
7:32in on the Los Angeles Rams is. But he wanted to make sure that he didn't have to put completely new faces
7:37in there to understand the skill sets. So David does have some familiarity.
7:41It's still going to be his first time calling plays.
7:43And that's a really big shift. And like you said, he is young.
7:47He's not that far removed from playing. One thing I think we should keep an eye out for is, so I was
7:52talking to David Blau this week when I was there and I reminded him, or I asked him about his magic love where he's really into card tricks.
7:59At card tricks, he likes the sleight of hand element of it.
8:02And I asked him how that translates to him as a play caller.
8:06And he was like, look to me, trick plays are normal plays.
8:09So he does think that you got to kind of energize your guys and keep people off balance, both because sometimes they'll
8:14work and because the threat of a trick play is something he wants for defenses.
8:18So I think we're going to see some creativity.
8:21Obviously, we'll have to see if it works. But I do think that when I asked Jaden Daniels that he was like, yeah, I would agree.
8:27That's how he feels about it. So I'm excited to see is it week one?
8:31Is it week two? Is it week three? Maybe some are in the playbook, but they don't make it to the game.
8:37Keep an eye out for that. Interesting. OK, I'm definitely going to be watching that, especially because if it doesn't go well
8:42for the commanders, I'm maybe thinking some like Joe Bluth magic memes.
8:45I'm thinking Michael Scott magic memes. There's a lot of material to work there.
8:49You're ready to go. If it doesn't work out for the commanders.
8:52But like I said, I do want to be open minded because this is a really interesting and talented team.
8:57We're looking at the depth chart right now. The Diggs-McLauren combo is interesting.
9:01Chico Conquo was a really cool pickup, I think, for them.
9:03And the backfield, Jory, from a fantasy standpoint, is one of those that these are like the latest two stars.
9:08Whoever the starter is, Ja'Kory Grosky-Meritt or Rashad White.
9:11And I'm curious if you have any insight there.
9:13You heard anything on that. They're one of the latest starting running backs going in fantasy right now.
9:18So if you get this one right, like that could be a potential big area of profit.
9:22It just again, the line is the thing that's most concerning right now.
9:25Right. And I think I just could have a lot of trouble trusting a running game when the line's not there.
9:31It doesn't really matter who's doing it. Especially a pass protection back like Rashad White.
9:35He needs to be available back there. And I think that kind of might dampen the Ja'Kory Grosky-Meritt sort of hype in from a fantasy standpoint.
9:41But you mentioned the Eagles. I want to go there next.
9:44Sticking in the NFC East. You're in Philadelphia. New system.
9:47New offensive coordinator. A lot of change going on in Philly right now.
9:50What'd you see there? Yeah, it was funny. When I met with left tackle Jordan Milata yesterday, I didn't even bring up
9:56Jalen Hurts' interceptions because he didn't really throw money when I was there.
9:59But I guess he'd had a couple, including a pick-six the night before at the scrimmage.
10:03And then there was the one that the Eagles famously tweeted out, Quinnen Williams intercepting Jalen Hurts.
10:07And I think because the angle of the camera was much more on Jalen Hurts than on the defense, everyone's like, are you subtweeting your quarterback?
10:14What's going on? As if no one can have a defensive highlight in training camp.
10:18Thank you. Thank you. Like Quinion Mitchell plays for the team too.
10:21Right, right, right. It wasn't like another team's cornerback.
10:23That's NBA brain working now in Dora. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about that.
10:27But what I thought was funny is that I just asked how Jalen was doing.
10:31And I asked Jordan Milata for an example of a play that reflects with this offense.
10:35Jordan kind of brought that up unprompted. And he said that he thinks those interceptions are actually key to them this year.
10:41Because I was there one year, I think it was last year, when Jalen Hurts hadn't thrown an interception the entire camp
10:47in 11-on-11 until the last day he threw one.
10:49And then they didn't have a great offensive year.
10:51And so you kind of go from that to being like, if you're not trying things during training camp, particularly when you're
10:57in a new offensive system, it's a problem. And Jordan said that Jalen was setting that tone that, yeah, you can make
11:02these mistakes, but I'll come back from the interception and I'll throw a touchdown later on.
11:07I think that the Eagles offense under Sean Mannion has huge boomer bust potential.
11:10I can't figure out which one it's going to be.
11:13I was actually asking them if they think they could figure out.
11:16But Jordan's like, some days we've looked terrible. He used more colorful language than that.
11:20Some days we looked great. The offensive line will be totally different in what they're doing this year.
11:24I mean, Jordan's talking about, he's like, I thought we were aggressive.
11:27Turns out we weren't. I think to me, the question is passing game.
11:31From two years, I mean, they had multiple top 10 offensive years for a lot of years.
11:35Last year, they fall to, I think it was like 19 and 24 in points and yardage.
11:39So then you look at the passing game. It wasn't really that different last year.
11:43It was the running game just falling off an absolute cliff of about 70 yards per game.
11:48So my question is, can this more aggressive style of offensive line play and the way they're going to clear the lanes
11:53actually set up Saquon Barkley to have success? And to me, that's everything.
11:56It's not about Devonta Smith. I think Devonta is always going to be very good, whether he's going to be elite or very good.
12:03Maybe you can debate that. But I'm not that concerned about the depth or the versatility of their receiver.
12:07And they've got Dontavian Wicks in there. They really are high on Hollywood Brown.
12:11They've got Makai Lemon, obviously, coming from the first round.
12:14To me, it's, are you getting Saquon going? Because if you're not, you're probably not going to have a lot going in
12:19the pass game because they're just going to be able to really get on your guys.
12:23And so that, to me, is the big question.
12:26That's a great point because Josh Norris has brought this up many times that as much as we, and I know I'm
12:31certainly guilty of this, have been obsessed about, like, what is the passing game going to look like?
12:36It's going to look so different with Jalen Hurts in a new look offense, the whole deal.
12:40You mentioned I'm fascinated by Devonta Smith without A.J.
12:43Brown. Makai Lemon, really interesting player. I'm still leaving the candle lit for Dontavian Wicks.
12:46I'm definitely a star. Or the Eagles. Oh, that's good to hear.
12:49Yeah, because I have heard the same thing. They're really high on him.
12:53They give him the one-year extension. So definitely some of my old takes need to be justified by the Dontavian Wicks late, late breakout here.
12:59But does any of it matter if they can't run the football?
13:02Probably not. And again, Saquon Barkley is a first-round pick in fantasy football drafts.
13:06Yeah, I feel like the Eagles have just continued to try and follow the Christian McCaffrey San Francisco 49ers model.
13:11It's like, first you get that running back who's obviously got running back and receiving game potential.
13:15And you say, yeah, the running back market relative to the receiver market is depressed.
13:19And so if we pay top tier for the running back market, it's still going to be way cheaper than getting a receiver.
13:25Then they say, well, you know what? Saquon in our offense was just too predictable.
13:29I talked to head coach Nick Sirianni, and he's like, defenses were throwing too much junk at us, and we didn't have anything to throw back at them.
13:36We didn't have the answers. They feel like this offense, so it's Sean Mannion coming from that Shanahan-McVay system, which is different
13:42from what they've done the last five years. A hundred percent.
13:45Is going to give them more answers to the questions.
13:47It asks more of everybody. It also helps them have more cues.
13:50It's much more time-based, as you know. I mean, I'm telling you things you know.
13:54But I think that that's going to be interesting because we talk every year about Jalen Hurts with a new play caller.
14:00He's only had the same play caller once, from season to season, one season his whole pro career, and that dates back to high school and college.
14:07He never had it. And so he's always going through these changes, but this is a different change.
14:11This is not new play caller, same concepts. This is, hey, here's what you've got to do.
14:16You've got to read with your feet all of those elements in terms of it is based off the timing.
14:21You have to throw that anticipatory throw whether or not your sugar guy is there.
14:24Yeah, it's such a fascinating football experiment, right? Because it would be disingenuous to say anything other than Hurts is going to have to adjust to this.
14:31It just is. It's very, very different. What is the level of faith that he can be someone who does adjust to it?
14:37I think everyone thinks he can be, but will he be?
14:40And I know that's kind of semantics right there.
14:42But, I mean, look, everyone's high on his work ethic, high on his ability to change.
14:47I think the fact that he's had to change offensive coordinators or at least offensive play callers every single year for basically
14:52the last decade makes it so it's not brand new to him needing to change.
14:56But the level of change is higher. And so I think he's saying I need to try these anticipatory throws even if
15:02Rick Willen is picking me off in practice because I need to know what's going to happen.
15:06I need to know is this the soft spot in the defense that I can pick on or is this too risky?
15:12So I wonder. I mean, I think it helps for them.
15:14They're playing the Washington Commanders in week one. All due respect to the Washington Commanders.
15:18Well, not only that, but they're playing the Titans in week two.
15:21Yeah, I didn't go through a full schedule. Like three?
15:24Like it's a really soft start. That's actually exactly what they want because to me there's this question of I covered the
15:30Cowboys when you almost didn't want them if you were a Cowboys fan to win the first two games because the city
15:35would get so high that it was just too high to block out the outside noise.
15:39It wasn't really about the players. It was just they got really high on them.
15:43In Philly, it's a little bit different where if you lose early in Philly, everyone's sure that Jalen's gone, Nick's gone.
15:48It'd be really uncomfortable. Both of them are high pressure cities, but the way the pressure manifests is very different.
15:54And so I think having those earlier looks so the offense can at least ideally be functional is what you need to
15:59be able to have the late success there. I really just am so fascinated by this Eagles team because I think they
16:05could be one of those right answer offenses in fantasy where, you know, obviously, again, you have to pay a first rounder for Saquon Barkley.
16:11That's that. But even Jalen Hurts is a guy that I probably started as a bottom tier two quarterback and then actually
16:17updating my rankings last night in the hotel room down the street.
16:20I flipped him up towards more of the top there because I actually kind of like a lot of what you're saying.
16:26And I buy into this as well that those throwing those interceptions in practice is him testing like the Raptor testing defenses in Jurassic Park.
16:32We're like, can I get away with it here?
16:34Like, where are the weak spots? And he's not a guy that has been a very anticipatory throw over the course of his career.
16:40I mean, like they run a lot of go routes and stop routes in the previous iteration of this offense.
16:46I can back that up with some of my receiver charting because those are the throws that Jalen has been really good
16:51on, which kind of just, hey, I'm going to let that thing fly.
16:55And my guy's going to make a play on it.
16:57That's really different with a lot of the in breakers, the outbreakers.
17:00And my Don Tavion Wicks, once again, bring this up like the former Packers, I mean, the Packers offense where he comes from.
17:06Obviously, Sean Manning comes from. They really weaponized Don Tavion Wicks last year as that kind of outbreaking route like to the
17:12field from the slot outbreakers, the whole deal. That does require some anticipation to throw that before it breaks.
17:17So it is kind of encouraging, actually. I the more I look at Hurts, the more I'm buying in on him as
17:22somebody that if I'm taking one of those higher tier quarterbacks, which I haven't really been because it's so deep this year.
17:28But if I do, Hurts is one of the guys that does tempt me.
17:31Yeah, I think there's two elements. There's first I want to read you this quote from Jordan Milota because I think it
17:37speaks to what you're saying about interceptions. When I talked to him yesterday, so that would be Wednesday because today is Thursday.
17:43It is Thursday. I get lost a lot. I've taped two shows that are going out like Labor Day.
17:48Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jordan told me, everyone's talking about all the picks and stuff, but it's not about that.
17:53Is he executing what coach is trying to get him to do?
17:56And he is. And I think before, this is the most interesting part to me, he would be a little hesitant to be like that.
18:02But now there's no fear. This year, he's not afraid of making mistakes.
18:05When you're learning something new, that's how you have to be.
18:08You've got to have thick skin. So I think they're saying this.
18:11If you just say, we're all trying something new, it comes off a little cliche.
18:15If you say, last year he was more hesitant to do that, that's a totally different idea.
18:20And it's not necessarily a knock on Jalen Hurts.
18:22It might be because the offense was more hesitant.
18:24So I think you have that element. The second thing let's keep in mind is that the Eagles, going back to the
18:30idea that they felt defenses were throwing stuff at them they couldn't solve, part of that was this kind of predictability of their offense.
18:36And it wasn't just in terms of the playbook.
18:38It was in terms of their blocking schemes, their formations, all of that.
18:42And so now Jordan's telling me, like, you want their alignments, their formations are going to be much more married in terms of the run in the pass.
18:49And so hopefully that creates a little more indecision on the defense that does allow Saquon to hit that lane.
18:54That does allow Jalen to get to the time to have the read that he's looking for.
18:58That's what's so good and why you kind of want to force a guy like Hurts into a system like this because
19:04when you can marry that run in the pass game, it just makes everything really dangerous.
19:08Last thing before we move on from the Eagles here, do you get a sense of what Sean Mannion is like as a guy?
19:14You know, because a lot of times we get caught in the scheme part of it.
19:18I know I certainly do. But one of the reasons I love your work and love your reporting so much is you
19:24really focus on, like, the human side of it.
19:26And that can really be the thing that makes or breaks, like, does a big transition like this work?
19:31Yeah. But can the coordinator pull it off from a human perspective?
19:34I was really impressed with Sean Mannion. I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to talk to him at camp.
19:40I did end up talking to him. And I was doing some Eagles reporting but some league-wide reporting, including for a story
19:46I have on how quarterbacks decide when to take the check down, when to go for the big play, and how the risk-reward.
19:51And the way he was taking me through the fundamentals of the footwork.
19:55And he's like, and here's step one, and here's what you do with your feet.
19:59And here's step two, and here's what it looks like with threes.
20:02And here's step three. It was so impressive. I literally asked him after, did you have a meeting where this was the topic recently?
20:08Because I feel like I'm looking at a PowerPoint that you're reading.
20:11That's how clearly you're discussing it. So I think there's the teacher element.
20:14Jordan Milata's like, he's crazy. He'll just throw all this stuff at it.
20:18But it's fun because if we figure it out, we have the answers.
20:21So crazy and just like a really un—he's super willing to throw a lot at them.
20:25But I think personally, he just seemed super personal as well and also has that, hey, he was in Los Angeles when
20:31McVay got there right around that time. I mean, he's been around a lot of coaches in a lot of different systems
20:36where he kind of feels like that younger voice, very recent former player that will connect with guys.
20:41Yeah, that is really good to hear. All of this is definitely, like I said, making me think I need to bump
20:47some eagles up my fantasy rankings here. Honestly, part of the reason I asked that, like, what is he like as a
20:52guy question is because I think our next team that we're talking about here, which is the Dallas Cowboys, again, seeking the NFC East.
20:58I think a lot of the way that they were able to pull it off last year—I mean, look, they didn't have a successful season.
21:05But offensively, they were really, really good. It's because like Brian Schottenheimer turned out to be one of those guys, you know, from a head coaching perspective.
21:12He was really suited to that role. But again, you were in Dallas.
21:15What are we thinking as we look at the Cowboys here?
21:18I'm glad you mentioned that about Brian Schottenheimer because I had someone tell me during training camp a line that I thought
21:23really stuck with me, which is that if you have the infrastructure to support guys across the personality spectrum and across the
21:29spectrum of, hey, some guys are going to be better off the field, some are not, then you have a business advantage
21:35because you have more employees who you're going to be able to fit into your system.
21:39So that sense, George Pickens—look, George Pickens is not like—he doesn't have off-field criminal stuff.
21:43I'm not suggesting that. He's not a bad guy.
21:45He's just a different dude. But we do all know that things didn't end ideally in Pittsburgh off the field.
21:50Because of Brian Schottenheimer, because of Dak Prescott, and because of the culture they've created, it seems, and we have one year
21:56of evidence so far, that they can support George Pickens.
21:58And that allows them to have an advantage because not every team wants George Pickens because they don't think the infrastructure is going to allow him to thrive.
22:05From an on-field standpoint, I mean, I think the Cowboys are like, we don't know if we're going to have George Pickens
22:11and CeeDee Lamb a year from now, so let's make sure to max out this year.
22:15And that's not the exclusion of their other weapons.
22:17Obviously, Javante Williams is coming off a 1,200-yard season.
22:20You've got Jake Ferguson. You have Ryan Flanoy. I have to get Camden Brown into this show because that guy is turning heads at Cowboys camp.
22:26And one day you will agree with me and producer Colin.
22:29Okay, can we peel the curtain back here a little bit because we actually haven't said the name Camden Brown.
22:34This is like an off. Well, that's on you that you haven't said the name yet.
22:38Okay, well, why don't you just quickly tell the people who Camden Brown is?
22:42You know, he's just this rookie guy. He's just flashing out of, what is it, Mississippi, I believe.
22:47I should really have done my homework before saying his name on the show.
22:50But every single day he's making plays. Like, you go to certain camps and there's one in Pittsburgh and one here that I'm like, who is this guy?
22:57And how does he have plays day after day after day?
23:00And if you go to the Cowboys reporters and their videos on Twitter, every single day he's got acrobatic catches.
23:05And I think he's really working his way into a role the way that Ryan Flanoy did.
23:10Yeah, Camden Brown is an American football wide receiver for the Dallas Cowboys and the National Football League, parentheses, NFL.
23:15He played college football for the Auburn Tigers and the Georgia Southern Eagles.
23:18He is 6'2", 204. He's 22 years old. Undrafted free agent this year.
23:21But, yeah, listen, I will say, again, this is one of these, like, producer Colin little hype bunnies that he's texting me about all the time.
23:28And I have not brought it up. Not yet, but I'm sure he will soon.
23:32But to credit producer Colin, I hate to do this, but to credit Colin, he was telling me about Ryan Flanoy for a long time.
23:38He was like, you're going to love this guy.
23:41You're going to love this guy. And he actually really does pass the reception perception sniff test.
23:45So credit to him on that. But Camden Brown, again, undrafted free agent.
23:48You know, something to watch out for. Louisiana, that originally, not Mississippi.
23:51I always confuse those two. But CD was excited that he's a Louisiana guy.
23:55Okay, incredible. All right, so that's their, like, number five maybe receiver.
23:58But their number one and number two receiver, CD Lamb, George Pickens.
24:01I remember talking to CD in February. And, you know, I've talked to him many times over the years.
24:06I think he's, like, got the right personality, too, as a number one to, like, have an alpha, too.
24:11And, like, a really, really high-end, too, there as well.
24:13I think those guys go well together. At least that's my sense of it.
24:17But I really think, Jory, this offense is just absolutely going to cook this year.
24:21I'm really excited about both of these players. Any reason to be hesitant at all?
24:25Only because we all think it's going to cook this year.
24:28Am I, like, a little hesitant? But I think from an on-paper standpoint, absolutely.
24:31I think that what's interesting to me about what you're saying is, yes, CD Lamb told me he was, like, at Jerry, pay George Pickens.
24:38Like, let's get it done. He wants to. It's better for both of them.
24:41They're each getting more attention. I will say, last year we primarily saw CD as the 1A and George as the 1B or 1A kind of A.
24:48It is going to be interesting what the dynamic becomes.
24:51Do you think that flips at all? If that flips.
24:53You think it's possible? I think from a talent standpoint and a chemistry standpoint during this training camp, it appears George Pickens
24:59was a little bit ahead of CD Lamb. It was interesting because when I go to these camps and I'm only there
25:04for a day or two, I see what it's there and then I'll go ask, but I'll be like, hey, Dak, you and CD were really connecting today.
25:12Is that how it's looked the whole camp? And as you can see, if you look at reporting, it's not.
25:17They were not on the same page quite as much as Dak and George.
25:20Now, Dak, the day I was there, really intentionally was like, I'm going to get CD involved.
25:25I'm going to get him on a go route early in practice because once you get him on, then he kind of
25:30gets in that zone and it continues to work.
25:33So I would say I have a lot of confidence that George, again, assuming health from everyone, can really ball out.
25:38But I think that Dak knows that the offense will be at its best when all of those guys are involved.
25:43And so I still think he's going to want to split between CD and George, obviously, depending on who's on them.
25:49And I think that even offensive coordinator Clayton Adams told me, he's like, we were seeing really creative defensive looks last year
25:54because everyone's like, how do we defend both of these guys at the same time?
25:58Yeah, I get that. And I mean, look, I have these guys in the same tier from a fantasy standpoint.
26:03They're both going obviously really, really high. It's definitely the highest one and two receiver across the industry here.
26:08But I like CD as a late first round pick, but he's in that same tier as George Pickens.
26:13So if Pickens does outscore Lamb, just like straight up, I do think that is within the range of outcomes.
26:18Last thing real quickly, just from an alignment standpoint, they've talked more about moving George around this year.
26:23He quite literally can't move around less. He had the lowest slot percentage of any receiver that ran 200 or more routes last year.
26:29So do you think there's any sense that like it won't be just as straight up?
26:33Pickens is the X, Lamb is the Z because he took the fewest percentage of snaps in the slot, you know, on
26:39the other hand of his entire career. So what do we look like from a formational standpoint here?
26:43I mean, maybe. I still kind of think that he's best as an X.
26:47So he kind of just those catches he can make on the sideline are exactly what you want from him.
26:52And CD has that versatility. Maybe even move him around a little bit, but I don't see him moving around quite as much as CD.
26:58Yeah, that's my sense. And the good news is he actually doesn't have to to still be a really good player.
27:04Right. Because he is that classic, classic George Pickens X receiver.
27:07Yes. All right, we are going to take our first quick break.
27:10We come back. We're talking more training camps that Jory has been to.
27:13We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
27:16We're continuing to get the full intel from Jory here after her training camp tour.
27:20I mean, let's tell you what. You set the standard pretty high in that first segment.
27:24Okay, that was really good. We might have maybe should have done that one last.
27:28Don't say that. No, that was great. It's going to only get better from here.
27:31And we're going now to some NFC and AFC North teams combining these together.
27:35We're going to start in Green Bay here. I'm really excited about this offense this year.
27:39Potentially maybe throwing the football a little bit more, running with a little more pace.
27:43What did you see when you were in Green Bay?
27:45Yeah, I think what's interesting to me, first and foremost, is Matthew Golden.
27:49Because I think Matthew Golden had a mix of that size and speed last year.
27:53He didn't get a lot of opportunities. And now you say, okay, we don't have Romeo Dobbs here anymore.
27:57We don't have Dontabian Wicks here anymore. Yeah, there's still a lot of mouthfeet.
28:01I have a question for you. Romeo Dobbs plus Dontabian Wicks, no longer with them.
28:05How many combined targets do you think they got last year?
28:08Oh, I mean. Mr. Reception Perception. That's really unfair of you to put me on the spot like this.
28:13I think they probably, they at least got 120 plus combined.
28:15Oh, that's good. Okay, 131. Good work. Very, very close.
28:18And didn't even knock the microphone when we did the knuckles.
28:21So I think if you say, yeah, 131 targets that have to go somewhere, assuming it's the same number, I think Matthew Golden's getting a lot of them.
28:28When I was there early on in training camp, Jordan Love was going to him a lot.
28:32And it wasn't that he was looking for him because he was Matthew Golden.
28:36It's, hey, the ex-receiver for the Packers just moves around a lot, has a lot of versatility.
28:40There's just so much that they're expecting out of Matthew Golden.
28:43And so I think last year, part of it was the acclimation to the NFL.
28:47Part of it was the confidence. Part of it is I'm a little biased because I have a feature coming out on
28:53him this coming week on Yahoo Sports. Oh, all right.
28:55So you should read it. And we are reading again in 2026, people.
28:58Love it, love it. We're reading because we're serious journalists.
29:01Yes. And so, but I think part of it is once you get that first touchdown, Jordan Love told me, he's like
29:07all year last year with Matthew Golden. I was like, we're going to get you one.
29:11We're going to get you one. And then finally in the playoffs against the Bears, they got him.
29:15And I think that's what he needed to kind of take off right away this year.
29:19I don't think it was this element of, I mean, if you don't have the touchdown last year, you really have a
29:25different level of confidence the entire offseason. So I think that Matthew Golden's skill set, his now familiarity with the offense, what Jordan Love wants out of him.
29:32Yeah, obviously you still have Christian Watson. You still have other guys in the room.
29:36Of course, Tucker Craft is coming back, but you need to kind of see where he's at at the beginning of the year.
29:42I do think that Matthew Golden's the one I'm watching, particularly when, from a running back standpoint, I mean, what's going to, yeah.
29:48Right. We just found out news not long before we started recording today.
29:51At 340, this came in. Packers running back Josh Jacobs, according to Adam Schefter, now has been charged with misdemeanor battery and
29:57misdemeanor criminal damage to property, according to Wisconsin court records.
29:59Again, we shall see what happens from an availability standpoint with Josh Jacobs.
30:03But honestly, Jory, even without this, and this is obviously a huge red flag, he has like basically every other red flag
30:08in the book from a running back standpoint this year.
30:11The offensive line, and just typically projecting for fantasy, the offensive line probably has taken a step back this year.
30:16I think it looks worse on paper now than it did the previous two seasons.
30:20The defense is almost certainly, without Micah Parsons at the start of the year, going to be a lesser unit than we were probably expecting.
30:26And a lot of touches, getting a little bit older, coming off of a down season.
30:30Like, that's just red flag, red flag, red flag.
30:33At a running back position. I, to me, I don't know if you've got any sense of this, and I want to
30:38come back to the Matthew Golden point for sure.
30:41I just get the sense that this looks like a team that could be stylistically and tendency driven a little bit different this year from a run-pass ratio.
30:48How often, like, they're playing with a lot of pace in the preseason.
30:51They look like a team that could just throw the football straight up more this year.
30:55Yeah, I think they're going to need to. I think you obviously want some degree of balance, or if not balance, some
31:01degree of contribution from the run game. And there are certainly people there who are high on Marshawn Lloyd.
31:06That's kind of what we're going to have to see, what he looks like when it's actually real regular season play.
31:11But I think they're going to need to. And I think that Jordan loves at a stage in his career where he's able to support that.
31:18We saw Aaron Rodgers get there. Jordan's really at a point where Matt LaFleur is letting him take more control of the offense, have more input into it.
31:25I talked to Jordan about that, and he said he watched how much input Aaron had into the offense and to kind
31:31of push back on Matt, I like this, I don't like this, and wanted to get there.
31:35And Jordan feels like he's there now. And so I do think that there's going to be more on Jordan Love this year, and he's ready for that.
31:42This is one of those offenses, too, that I think can be like a sneaky right answer value in fantasy because so
31:48many of these guys go so late, Jordan. I mean, Christian Watson is the first pass catcher off the board at wide receiver 30.
31:54And they gave him a lot of money this offseason.
31:56Some of it may be a little bit funny money.
31:59They've got to protect themselves a little bit. Who amongst us doesn't have a little bit of funny money?
32:04But, yeah. Excuse me. I misspoke, actually. Since we got more positive injury news about Tucker Craft, he goes off the board
32:0960th overall over the last seven days in Yahoo.
32:12Christian Watson, 68. Then there's a big drop-off to Jaden Reed at 116.
32:15Then Jordan Love at 124. And then Matthew Golden all the way down at 126.
32:19So, based on what you're telling me, which I already am, but maybe even more so, you need to have Matthew Golden
32:25going a little bit higher than that 126 pick.
32:27I would. Yeah. Not just because of the feature.
32:29In part because of the feature, but not only because.
32:32No. I do think that they believe in him.
32:34And as Jordan told me when I asked him, like, hey, are you trying to get Matthew a little more involved?
32:39Is that why he was so involved in the practice I was there?
32:43And he's like, no, I'm a quarterback. While I'm going through my reads, I'm staying true to my progressions.
32:48But my progressions keep leading me to Matthew Golden based off the way he's getting separation.
32:52I think to be able to get the separation and have that speed he has, I do think that he's sort of
32:57figuring out how to take the traits he has and apply them and thrive with them at the NFL level.
33:02And the really interesting thing about Matthew Golden is, I kind of wrote this in his reception perception profile, that basically the
33:08conclusion at the end of the rookie season is I kind of find myself to be a little bit of a Matthew Golden centrist.
33:14Okay. Like, the way that his numbers come out here, it's kind of, it's not one of those, it's like, oh my
33:20God, this guy was so, so good. Like, they really made a mistake not getting him the football more.
33:25But it's also not so bad that it's like, this guy's going to be a bust.
33:29Because there's actually some indicate, like, 51st percentile success rate versus press.
33:32I think that's why he's now been in that X receiver role, because it allows them to keep Jaden Reed on the
33:38move, allows them to keep Christian Watson as the Z receiver.
33:40So he's playing a really important role for this offense this year.
33:43And, like, again, I want to kind of be open-minded to him being a much better player in year two than what he showed.
33:50Because also, Jory, and I think you brought up, like, the X receiver point and Jordan Love kind of finding him.
33:55He's essentially, like, last year he kind of had to play a little bit of Reed's role as that, like, slot move around guy.
34:01I chart him with 38% snaps in the slot.
34:03That, to me, doesn't really fit his game. This more just like, hey, run a straight-line vertical breaking route tree.
34:09That's going to fit his game a little bit more.
34:11What if you look at it, and I'm looking at my numbers here.
34:14So Matthew Golden had 361 yards, no touchdowns in the regular season.
34:17His touchdown came in the playoffs. If you look at Romeo Dobbs, who's obviously not with them anymore, he had 724 yards and six touchdowns.
34:24But their cash percentage, very similar, 65.9 to 64.7.
34:26And their yards per target, which is what I was really interested in because obviously the targets were so different.
34:31Matthew Golden had 8.2 yards per target. Romeo Dobbs had 8.5.
34:34Again, none of them are getting quite to the Tucker Craft, Christian Watson, when they were available.
34:38But I do think in the opportunities, like, if you projected out to more targets, maybe you do get 700-plus yards or
34:44800-plus yards, which is what Romeo Dobbs had because of how similar their numbers were, whether or not their styles are the same.
34:50Yeah, I have him 12 spots ahead of his current ADP, Matthew Golden.
34:53I think he's just like a really easy click right now.
34:56Okay, let's stick in this. Actually, we're going to skip Minnesota because we have a question about them in the hotline segment later.
35:02So we'll come back to Minnesota. Spoiler. Yeah, spoiler, because you've got a really good note there that I do want to get to.
35:08But let's go to the Ravens here. Declan Doyle, new offensive coordinator there.
35:12This is another offense. I can't wait to see how it plays out.
35:15What do you got for Baltimore? Yeah, so Declan Doyle, we should keep in mind, kind of started under Sean Payton in New Orleans.
35:21Sean Payton liked him enough that he brought him to the Denver Broncos as the tight ends coach.
35:26Then he goes under Ben Johnson as offensive coordinator, not play caller.
35:29And now he's with the Ravens as their play caller.
35:31Despite the fact that Jesse Minner, the Ravens head coach, had never worked with Declan before, but he saw what Ben Johnson was doing.
35:37When I did a feature on Declan last year, a lot of people described him as like another Ben Johnson.
35:43Obviously, he doesn't have the experience of Ben at this point, but very similar in terms of his philosophies and the detail-oriented element.
35:48And now you bring him to Baltimore. It's interesting to me because his whole career has been very tight end forward.
35:54Like last year in Chicago, Ben Johnson was a tight ends coach.
35:57Declan was a tight ends coach. They draft Colston Loveland in the first.
36:00They've got Cole Komet. So it was very tight end forward.
36:03I can't really tell. I'm not super convinced that the Baltimore personnel makes it make sense to kind of keep doing that.
36:09I do think with Lamar, it's a little bit interesting because I believe they've been switching him from like a right foot
36:14forward quarterback to a left foot forward quarterback in order to have the timing be a little more precise relative to the
36:20offense that Ben was running and Declan's now running.
36:22And so to me, even though they've been very praiseworthy and very encouraged by how Lamar has transitioned, they are transitioning some of the muscle memory.
36:29And so the same way that during training camp, there's been a little bit of a time to adjust.
36:34And now he's there. You got to wonder, will the muscle memory be there right away week one?
36:38Or will it take a few weeks before he really gets acclimated to feeling his full self in this offense?
36:43Yeah, I think you're kind of bringing up a point here that this is an offense I am interested in.
36:49I'm excited about to just kind of see how it looks like under Declan Doyle.
36:52Because I think his background is really interesting. And by the way, I just looked this up like Jesse Minter never played
36:58against Ben Johnson as a coach throughout the last couple of years when he was the Chargers coordinator.
37:03Again, I could be wrong about that. I just really looked it up because I looked it up quickly.
37:08I don't think they ever played against either. It was interesting because you would think like when Mike McDonald went out and
37:13hired Clint Kubiak, he's like, this scheme gives me trouble.
37:16So just interesting that those never really like collided in that way.
37:19But clearly a guy like Jesse Minter, who in my opinion is one of the best, certainly past defense minds in the NFL.
37:25Like when I watch receivers, Jory, and they go against that Chargers secondary, like they're just squeezing zone coverage routes.
37:30It's really fascinating that he pinpointed this offensive kind of coaching tree that he wanted to pluck from.
37:34But my point here is that like you're kind of bringing up a good note here that this is a pretty big
37:40transition for the quarterback, even if we don't think about it in the same way of like Jalen Hurts' transition earlier.
37:45Yeah, and so like he's definitely had moments at camper with the timing, with the left foot forward, like Durham Smythe was timing.
37:51The way that Lamar has his peripheral vision has been really impressive to Durham in terms of how he's seeing the rollouts.
37:57I think there's a lot that Lamar can do.
37:59I also think that you just got to wonder a little bit about the transition.
38:03Now, one of the things we should keep in mind is obviously we've seen Lamar in his first year under new offensive coordinators.
38:09He's won MVPs. I think that that would be a little bit of an unrealistic starting point for us to see that.
38:15On the other hand, they could have gotten like most young coaches like Jesse Minter would have said, I want a former head coach on offense.
38:21I want like a Cliff Kingsbury type on offense because then he can kind of be the head coach of the offense.
38:27I'll be the head coach of the defense. Yeah, you have some culture, et cetera, et cetera.
38:31That's not what they did because they felt like for Lamar to be at his best, he kind of needed someone a
38:37little bit younger and more likely to connect with him.
38:39And so Lamar and Declan do seem to be connecting very well.
38:43I mean, Declan was telling me about a day where it was one of their off days.
38:47Lamar came in to watch film in his office and they go from 2 to 530 p.m.
38:51And so they're definitely building that rapport. But is the system going to feel immediately natural?
38:55On one hand, you have to wonder if it takes time from the right foot forward to the left foot forward in the passing game.
39:02On the other hand, it's Lamar Jackson. They're like, why am I doubting Lamar Jackson?
39:06I shouldn't be. Especially now that he's healthy. He pointed out, like, they were just getting a question, I think I saw
39:11this week, where it was like, you didn't run a lot last year.
39:15He was like, yeah, I was injured all year.
39:17Right. So now that he's healthy, hopefully that helps too.
39:19Just on the starting point here, like getting off to a fast, slow start as we talk about the Eagles.
39:25At Indy, Saints, Cowboys, Titans, at Falcons the first five weeks of the season.
39:28Not bad. Week six, the Cleveland Browns. Like, there's definitely some spots where I think they could look.
39:33I'd be interested to see what this defense looks like against Brandon Staley, actually, because I think Staley did a really good job.
39:39But it is at least a home game in week two against the Saints.
39:42Last thing about the Ravens here. I know the receivers are really excited about playing in this offense.
39:47They've all seemed to, when they've talked about it, really, you know, more movement, more multiple alignments, the whole deal.
39:52Did you see anything or hear anything about their rookie receiver, Jacoby Lane?
39:55Because, like, everybody has been hyped about that guy.
39:58There has been a lot of hype on him.
40:00I probably should have focused more on him and less on, like, Jesse Minter wrapping Eminem for the team.
40:05But, yes, definitely a lot of positive encouragement. And I think also— You're not going for that easy clickbait, Joy.
40:10I think also just having the same way that Colston Loveling came in last year and obviously was talented, but also, like,
40:15defenses didn't yet know what to have for him.
40:18And I use him because Declan Doyle was in Chicago last year.
40:21I think having a young guy who is getting this level of hype but defenses don't yet know everything about him, that's a huge win for a team.
40:28And we have seen with Zay Flowers, I mean, they know what they're doing with receivers.
40:32Yeah, Zay Flowers. They didn't always, but we're getting there.
40:35They're getting a little bit better. Yeah. We shall see with the Jacoby Lane thing.
40:39Okay, Cincinnati, same division here. What are your notes from the Bengals?
40:42Yeah, first of all, I keep thinking back to last year when I was at Bengals camp and offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher I was talking to.
40:48And I asked him, what else did I not ask you that you think I should know?
40:53I regularly ask them, he's like, Chase Brown's going to be a household name.
40:56And they were high on Chase Brown then, they're high on Chase Brown now.
41:00Good. To me, the most interesting part of their receiver group, which obviously we don't really need to learn a whole lot
41:05on Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins in that group, is that for so many years the Bengals offense has been light years ahead of their defense.
41:12And not only does that matter in terms of the number of points they're going to score, it also matters in terms
41:18of the work they're getting in training camp. So let's start with training camp.
41:21In training camp, the day I was there, the defense looked a lot better.
41:25I mean, I talked to Jamar Chase after and he was kind of frustrated because he was like, these DBs were just
41:31playing so much more confidently because Dexter Lawrence is at the line of scrimmage creating so much problems for Joe for the pocket.
41:36And so I think that these receivers should be getting better work than they've gotten in the preseason and recent years.
41:42On the other hand, when you're talking fantasy perspective, I believe the Bengals' ideal world is that Joe Burrow is not playing
41:47hero ball in the way he does and that their offense is not scoring as many points as they do because the
41:53offense has just been, it's had so much on his shoulders for so many years.
41:57And they haven't won at all. I guess they made it to the Super Bowl in 2021 season.
42:01They haven't gotten back there yet. 2020 season? 2021 season.
42:04And so I think when you look at it, they don't want Joe to be doing these insane things a week, too.
42:10They want him to save it for the playoffs.
42:12And I do wonder, I think they're hoping the defense is stable enough that their offense can be a little more conservative than it has been.
42:19And it's really interesting because they are the number one team if you look at like how high their fantasy players are going.
42:25They have the fourth overall pick in ADP right now in Jamar Chase.
42:28They have the 16th overall pick in ADP in Chase Brown.
42:31They have the 33rd overall pick in ADP in T.
42:33Higgins. That is like if you just aggregate it, average it out.
42:36That's the lowest number, like golf score, you know, lowest number wins.
42:39That's the lowest for a team there across the league.
42:42And it's like if that defense is better, can that happen in that way?
42:46I think they're hoping it doesn't. Interesting. That is really fascinating.
42:48Last thing. I want to ask you, though. Yeah, okay.
42:51How do you factor Joe Burrow's health into your fantasy drafts?
42:54I mean. This isn't a one-year thing. No, it's not.
42:56I hope for him it's not this year. And I do think part of what they want, obviously they want the offense to still be great.
43:03They want the defense to be better. But they also want the offense to be different, right?
43:07They want it to – that's been a clear drumbeat from training camp too, that they're playing more under center, kind of
43:13less like get in the gun and spread it all out and do that because that puts a lot of pressure on
43:19the offensive line, puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback.
43:21And that's when you take more – I think you end up taking more punishment than you should when you play in
43:27that style in today's NFL because teams are just so good with like the pressure packages, the blitzes, the simulators, the creepers, all that.
43:33It's really, really difficult. So part of what I think they want to do is also, by the way, hey, our run
43:39game will be better if they marry the run and the pass together by your quarterback getting under center and running that
43:44style of offense so that it's not like third and eight and teams can go hunt Joe Burrow in that way.
43:50So it's one of those things where I do think, to your point, we're kind of ranking as if like the defense
43:55will still be bad and the quarterback will play all 17 games.
43:59Do both of those things happen again this year?
44:01That's kind of the question. You're saying you don't think so.
44:04I don't think that Joe Burrow's health and the defense combination will look like it did last year.
44:08That will definitely maybe be a little bit of an upset from a fantasy standpoint.
44:12That is pretty fascinating there. Real quick on the Steelers because we already talked about their running back situation in the hotline
44:18segment, but I know you have a note about the passing game that you want to get to here.
44:23Yeah, I sat down with DK Metcalf when I was there and he told me that last year he felt like in
44:28some ways he was walking on eggshells, not because someone made him feel that way, but just because it was a new team.
44:34He wasn't comfortable with it. It's Aaron Rodgers, four-time MVP in the house.
44:37He didn't really feel like he could have that dialogue two ways.
44:41Again, not because Aaron made him feel that way.
44:43That was just DK's feelings. Now he feels a lot more comfortable.
44:46So I'm only there for snapshots in training camp, but I was at the Steelers' first training camp practice last year.
44:51Went on the first throw of camp. Aaron targeted DK and he got picked off.
44:55Fast forward this year, I'm there maybe a week in, and he's going to DK all the time, and they're making quite a few paths or completions.
45:02So I expect the connection to be better. One, because their dialogue's better.
45:05Two, they've had experience. Three, Michael Pittman's now there, and so you have to take attention away from it.
45:10I think DK kind of knows where he fits in that offense now.
45:14So I'm not saying that some limitations he hasn't had throughout his career are going to disappear, but I do think that
45:19they will be more on the same page. And I think when you have the mind of Aaron Rodgers, it's almost one
45:25of your biggest challenges is being on the same pages, guys, because your mind's all the way up here.
45:30Yeah, this is one I totally don't buy, Jory.
45:32Okay. Because you said the name Michael Pittman. To me, when the games get going here and Aaron Rodgers is under pressure
45:38and the whole deal, he's going to do what he's done the last few seasons, which is get that ball out fast.
45:43And to me, they can say, as we're showing on the screen right now, Mike McCarthy says we're going to move DK
45:49Metcalf around the formation more this year. Okay, you're probably not.
45:52He's probably going to play X receiver most often.
45:54He's going to be outside boundary guy on the line of scrimmage running the vertical route tree, which is just harder to
46:00access those throws when your quarterback wants to get it out quick.
46:03They'll definitely do some designer stuff for DK because you want to get the ball in his hands and rumble after the
46:08catch, like slants and quick hitters and all that.
46:11But to me, again, late down in distances, quarterback wants to get the ball out of his hands quickly.
46:16Those are Michael Pittman throws. Michael Pittman is going to be the safety valve of this offense.
46:20You know Mike McCarthy. Slant flat. Slant flat. Slant flat.
46:22Okay. That's going to be a lot of DK on the slants, but Michael Pittman on the flats, which is those access throws that Rodgers wants.
46:29So I think Michael Pittman leads this team in catches for sure and maybe receiving yards this time.
46:34Okay, I understand where you're coming from. And in some ways, if Aaron and DK do anything, then maybe DK has so much attention on him.
46:40Plus Aaron's not what he used to be in the pocket.
46:43So I can see where you're coming from. The last note I'll say is that the whole no tackling in practice, fireless physical.
46:49I really started to realize on this year's training camp tour how much practices are dictated by whether the head coach is
46:55an offensive guy or a defensive guy. And I think you see that.
46:58And I know we're going to get to Seattle.
47:00So I'll have a note on that there. I'm like, we didn't get to that yet.
47:04But I do think that this offense is going to look better than it has in training camp, whether or not it's
47:10better than it had been in the regular season, because the rules are a little bit easier for them.
47:15Yes, that is like a huge context note when you're looking at practice overall and like especially tracking results and all that.
47:21It's just very different from a game environment. I don't need to tell people that.
47:24All right, we are going to take another quick break.
47:27We come back. We've got more training camp tours.
47:29We'll get into that. All right. All right, we're back and we have more training camp information you need to know to get from Jory here.
47:36But before, real quick, just want to acknowledge D.
47:38Dan's the man in the YouTube chat. Just a question on DK Metcalf that we just got.
47:43So since this related to the segment before the break, I'll hit it here really quickly.
47:4710-man half PPR, Devontae Adams and Corlin Sutton or Metcalf for George Pickens.
47:50You think this is a fair deal? Would you add Sutton or Metcalf to the trade here?
47:54I'll just say this right now. So just give me the George Pickens side of this.
47:58Okay. I am usually in favor of the just the one great player as opposed to two, like one good player, Devontae
48:04Adams, and one okay fantasy asset here. So for me, I don't know which side of the trade you're on here.
48:09D. Dan's the man. But just the pick inside is the one that I want.
48:13All right. So we want the pick inside of this thing here.
48:16Two okay sides for one great side. Usually, I want that from a fantasy standpoint, especially preseason.
48:21You don't know if you need two receivers. You probably just need one great one.
48:25That's going to move the needle for you more.
48:27And I would just say I'd rather have DK Metcalf than Corlin Sutton.
48:30And we're going to talk about the Broncos later.
48:32You are okay with DK Metcalf again? I'm just related to Corlin Sutton.
48:36And we're going to get to why. I'm a little less excited about Sutton this year when we get to your Broncos
48:41discussion because there is a player I'm really excited about.
48:44But before we get to that, we've got two teams to hit right now.
48:48Real quick on the Browns. Honestly, we have weirdly talked a lot about the Browns on this show because I'm such a big Casey Concepcion guy.
48:54And I do love Denzel Boston as well. But what did you see when you were there?
48:59Yeah, I think you go there. And again, I embedded with them for the drafts.
49:02I was there for their pre-draft strategy meetings as well as for the first round when they took Casey Concepcion.
49:08I was in their draft room and then had heard them talking a lot about Denzel Boston.
49:12And I think that the Browns' belief is they can't say it out loud, but they're in a rebuild.
49:17If anyone hasn't figured that out, I'd like to break the news to you.
49:20And so I think when you say that, you say if they're trying to realistically be a competitive team by 2027, their
49:26goal is if they can get a quarterback with the two first round picks for 2027, have all the pieces ready around that.
49:32So that brings us back to Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston, who they think are the receivers that will allow them to
49:38be competitive, even if it's not this year with this quarterback.
49:40I think when I look at it, you have Casey, who he's explosive.
49:44He's twitchy. They love how he can separate. They like that quickness.
49:47They've considered him versatile, slot, parameter, punt returns. And then you have Denzel Boston, who again, Casey, 6'1", 190 pounds.
49:52Denzel Boston, 6'4", 215. So he's a big guy.
49:54And I think they complement each other nicely. So you still have guys like Quinchon Junkins in the room.
49:59They do believe their offensive line is going to allow more functionality than it has in recent years.
50:04Obviously, we'll have to see if that bears out.
50:06But I think when I look at those two receivers, I don't think there's going to, it's not going to take time for them to earn trust.
50:13I mean, Casey had a great airborne catch in the end zone when I was there for practice one day.
50:18Denzel was really like lighting it up early. I think I got a like from me on the old Twitter machine.
50:23Yeah, yeah. Denzel was really lighting it up early before I was there.
50:27So I think both of those guys have the potential to get off to a quick start, assuming the offense is functional.
50:32Yeah, this is what I've said about the Browns ever since I was in this studio right after the draft was Browns fans invest in NFL Pro.
50:39Okay, this is going to be a great offense to watch back on tape because you're going to see Todd Monk can do a lot of cool stuff.
50:46Yeah. With Casey Concepcion, you're going to see Denzel Boston running some pretty nice routes for a big X receiver like that guy can separate.
50:53The problem is the results on Sundays from a fantasy standpoint might not be all that great because the quarterback situation.
50:58Right. I think them getting off to a fast start basically means the opportunities they get, they'll go well.
51:03But if you have an offense with a lot of three and outs, for example, they might not have that many opportunities.
51:09So it's going to be difficult. This team's not quite there.
51:12I also think in the past they had a defense with Myles Garrett.
51:15I do really like Jared Burris. And so I think this defense should still be a very good defense, but it might
51:20not be quite where it was last year. I factor that in a lot when thinking about how to rank Quinchon Judkins,
51:26who I think they want to maybe get him more involved in the passing game, but probably is like an early down
51:32banger for a bad team with a defense that maybe doesn't totally have what it used to, like keeping them in the same closer game scripts.
51:38There's that. And then secondly, to the Casey Concepcion point, a movement guy like him, he's going to get a lot of those layup easy targets.
51:45And from a fantasy standpoint, he will stack weeks because of that.
51:48Even if you know there's another ceiling there, this was like Zay Flowers early in his career, obviously a much better team.
51:54And of course, Todd was with Zay Flowers, but it's like they were giving him so many of those like screens, designer,
51:59easy button touches, but you know that he's way more than that.
52:02I ultimately think that we'll see a lot of Casey in from a fantasy standpoint this year will be okay.
52:08You'll know there's more to it. Yeah. And I also think, I mean, quarterback obviously matters here, both for quarterback position itself and for how it affects receivers.
52:15I would be shocked if Shadur doesn't start at some point this season.
52:18I would say week three, two road games, week three, they're at home.
52:21That's when Shadur starts. Yeah, it's definitely a popular answer and I think it has a lot of truth.
52:26I think that Deshaun's first two games will influence that.
52:29I don't think right now Shadur gets the week three start.
52:32I think what becomes complicated, and I've said this a couple of times is what if the offense is looking good, but
52:37they have two losses until the fans are mad?
52:40Or what if they're winning, but the offense looks really dysfunctional?
52:42Or Deshaun, maybe he was able to do things pre-snap, but post-snap it doesn't look that good anymore.
52:47I think some of these things become, like the gray area is actually more the problem because if somehow they look great, obviously he's playing.
52:53If somehow they look, not somehow, if they look terrible, obviously you have that situation that you need to figure out.
52:59And the Browns are going to want to know what they have in Shadur Sanders by the end of the year so
53:04that when they get to the 2027 draft, they know what they have in house already.
53:09So I would think Shadur would start more games than Deshaun this year.
53:12The question is, is that starting week three? Is it starting week six?
53:15And the first two weeks will really influence that.
53:18Well, we shockingly kind of know who's going to be starting for the Indianapolis Colts in week one.
53:22That's going to be Daniel Jones after what everybody has just talked about as this most miraculous recovery of all time for
53:28an Achilles tear, which is pretty crazy that he's going to be out there for week one after tearing that thing in December, right?
53:34I mean, that's modern medicine, baby. What a time to be alive.
53:37All right, so we got a lot of questions, though, about this Colts team because there's the Daniel Jones of it all.
53:43They're a lot of interesting pass catchers. What do you got for the Colts here?
53:46Yeah, I mean, obviously, Tyler Warren's the most exciting story they have, in my opinion.
53:50And I think that... Okay. Okay. No, I don't disagree.
53:53Look, I really like Tyler Warren from a fantasy standpoint this year.
53:56He's the guy that I keep saying screws up my draft plans because I want to be taking running backs and wide
54:02receivers in that 40 to 50 range. But then you see Tyler Warren, and you're like, ooh, that guy's going to get
54:07what I think you're about to say. A lot of opportunities this year.
54:11That's where I'm kind of conflicted is, on one hand, defenses know what Tyler Warren is now.
54:15And so you would think that the defensive attention would reflect that a little bit more perhaps than it did last year,
54:20especially at the beginning of last year. But then on the other hand, everyone tells me, Shane Steichen really believes in what
54:26Tyler Warren can do and how having him out there challenges defenses.
54:29If the linebacker is a cornerback, how are you defending him?
54:32Because it allows you to sort of hide the formations a little bit more.
54:36So I do still believe there's going to be a lot going on.
54:39As it relates to Daniel Jones, actually, look, good kid, easy to root for anyone's health.
54:43When I was there, which was early in training camp, he was not 100%.
54:47He was playing, but he wasn't 100%. And so I'm a little bit curious because we do historically see when guys have
54:52tears, particularly Achilles tears, the first year back, even if they're technically able to play, the league sentiment for a long time
54:58has been that first year you're not going to be 100%, but that second year you should be able to be.
55:03So you can come back from it, but the first year is going to be slow.
55:07Maybe he's fine. I think what I worry about is he ended up with the Achilles tear because of the fracture in
55:13his other leg and the compensation of that when he played through it.
55:16So I think that if I'm the Colts, I just really want to make sure let's not try and play through this.
55:22If we think that we're at 80, if you're at 80%, is that what you want to do to this guy?
55:27And how does that impact his performance? How does that impact his mobility?
55:31Because he is so tough and he is willing to do whatever it takes, no matter how he's feeling.
55:36But then he had to suffer the consequences last year when he ended up with what was likely a compensation injury.
55:41Sure. And I mean, I think that training camp is the worst time of year for the optimism of, oh, that guy's out there.
55:47Yeah. But he's not, like he's physically a person with the last name Jones and number 17 on his jersey, but he
55:53might not be the exact same person once you actually, again, get into the games.
55:57I think we always fall into that trap in training camp.
55:59Lastly, though, and by the way, Nate has been like, yeah, look at his foot in this training camp video.
56:04So he's been a little suspicious about that too because the constant drumbeat from Colts And what he had at, his footwork was not totally clean.
56:11Yeah, like a little bit just different looking, like maybe compensating again from that Achilles injury.
56:15I would be remiss, though, if we left this Colts section, if I didn't ask you about anything on my guy, Josh Downs.
56:21He's a player that I'm so excited about heading into this season.
56:24He is one of like my guys from a reception perception standpoint.
56:27Really excited about his opportunities here without Michael Pittman.
56:30Right. Keenan Allen on the roster, sure. But I mean, I think Josh Downs is in a really nice position to take a step forward.
56:36What does the staff think? Yeah, they definitely have felt like they could move on from Michael Pittman because of what Josh Downs has done.
56:42Now, Keenan Allen is not coming in so that they could together be Michael Pittman.
56:46It's more, okay, we needed some sort of veteran guy later in camp.
56:50He had the Shane Steichen familiarity. But I do think they're high on Josh Downs.
56:53I just think, you know, are all the pieces going to fit together?
56:57Because there's a lot of health questions for that team right now.
57:00There's a lot of health questions. He's a health question.
57:02Alec Pierce. Alec Pierce is a health question. He just got taken off.
57:06Tyler Warren. Yeah, he's dealt with injuries. I mean, it's just they are one of those teams where we know what the ceiling is.
57:12We saw it last year. Like a historic points per drive standpoint.
57:15I kind of hope they get back to it.
57:17How fun is it when they're there? It was so out of nowhere.
57:21Oh, yeah. Yeah, and there's so many talented receivers.
57:23Like this is one of those teams that I'm thinking about a lot because I feel like I missed out on it
57:28last year by not trusting a really good play call and a really good coach on like his pick of the quarterback situation here.
57:35Because I just and I was kind of take locked on the idea of I said it a lot last year.
57:40Tell me how like this doesn't go where it's Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson competing in training camp.
57:45Like how it doesn't go both these guys start games and everybody gets fired at the end of the year.
57:50We saw it not go that way, even though multiple quarterbacks did start.
57:53Yeah, because Daniel Jones was just like he was this sounds like mean when I say it, but he's the right type of quarterback for a coach.
58:00It's just like, OK, buddy, I'm gonna get you just get to the line scrimmage.
58:04This is where the ball is supposed to go.
58:06Just execute my vision. And that is like he's a perfect fit for Shane Steichen in that way.
58:11Yeah, and I also think from an offensive line standpoint, there are some pieces around him when he was in New York
58:16that just really didn't allow Daniel Jones to do a whole lot.
58:19Some years were better than others, but there were a lot of question marks around him.
58:23So I do think that Shane Steichen goes a little bit under the radar.
58:27But I think it's worth remembering that as much as we talk about the Vikings, who I know we're going to get
58:33to in the hotline, and we talk about how they let Sam Darnold go.
58:36One of the reasons they let Sam Darnold go last year was because they had Daniel Jones there at the end of that same year.
58:43And they believed they would be able to keep Daniel Jones in house to compete with J.J McCarthy.
58:47So the same way that Shane Steichen goes a little under the radar, in my opinion, Kevin O'Connell gets a lot of credit.
58:53And I like Kevin O'Connell a lot. And he was high on Daniel Jones.
58:57He thought that he was a guy worth keeping and worth paying.
59:00The Colts just paid him a little more. So I do think that when Daniel Jones left the Giants, we saw that
59:05there was a market for him that probably exceeded what I was expecting.
59:09Yeah, and I think Daniel's a better fit in that Steichen offense than the O'Connell offense.
59:13So I think that worked out for our guy Daniel Jones.
59:16His bank account certainly would agree with me. Okay, we're going to take another quick break.
59:20We come back. More training camps that Jory went to.
59:22We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
59:25Let's get into some AFC slash NFC West trips here for our final section.
59:29Let's start in the NFC West. Seahawks. You mentioned earlier about the physicality from practice.
59:33What did you notice when you were there? What I noticed is that going back to this idea that practices often reflect
59:38the head coach and whether the head coach is an offensive head coach or a defensive head coach, I sat down with
59:44Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Brian Flory, who had previously been with the tight ends and involved in a bunch of the scheme under Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco.
59:51And he had this great line before I got there that I asked him about.
59:55He was like, it seems like every single practice scenario.
59:57I'm like backed up, no time on the clock, no timeouts.
60:00And I keep wondering who burned through all these timeouts.
60:03And it was such a great line because it's like, where are these scenarios coming from?
60:07But it kind of speaks to the way that Mike McDonald challenges the Seahawks offense because Flory's coming from a Kyle Shanahan team.
60:13And Kyle Shanahan does not run a soft practice.
60:15He runs a very intense practice, but it probably tilts a little bit to the offense in terms of how it's called in the situations that you're in.
60:22And then you go to Mike McDonald, a defensive coach, and he's like, I'm going to put you in the worst possible
60:28situation and see how you can get yourself out of it because this is training camp.
60:32And maybe if you get yourself out of it now, you can do it in the regular season.
60:37So that was kind of what someone who was not with the Seahawks last year noticed about the way they structure practice.
60:42As it pertains to what they're going to do on the field, Clint Kubiak goes to Las Vegas.
60:47So we have a new offensive coordinator. But they wanted to make sure that they kept that Shanahan-McVay system and particularly the
60:53Shanahan-San Francisco ideas that Sam Darnold was already familiar with and had a lot of success.
60:57They bring in Brian Flory from San Francisco. And I expect that the principles will be very similar.
61:01This is not a Jalen Hurts, you're switching systems.
61:04This is an earlier in Jalen Hurts career when you have a new coordinator running essentially the same system.
61:08One thing Brian Flory said in camp that I don't know if he more meant this philosophically or practically is that he really likes two running back looks.
61:16And he thinks that even though a lot of formations around the league are going to either it's more tight ends and
61:21bigger or you're getting all these receivers on the field because it's such a passing game now.
61:26He really likes how two running backs who have different styles on the field at the same time can create hesitation.
61:31Now, this is a team that doesn't have their Super Bowl running back because I think he's with the Kansas City Chiefs right now.
61:37So you need to have the people to do this.
61:40We did take Jadarian Price in the first round though.
61:42Yeah, Jadarian Price is there. He was not fully healthy when I was there and so you kind of have to figure
61:48out how quickly he can get caught up. Obviously, Zach Charbonnet, what's his health going to look like?
61:52Like I'm trying to sort through is this a two running backs is great because no one's fully ready to take on
61:58that load or is it we actually like what it does to the defense or a little bit of both?
62:03Yeah, there's such a fascinating offense this year because the coordinator changeover and Brian Flory is like a really fascinating guy like very interesting background.
62:10You know, he's like the director of football research for the Dolphins for a while.
62:13He started out coaching on the defensive side of things, but he's like a collegiate quarterback.
62:18Really, really interesting background of a guy there, but he comes from San Francisco and of course keeps all that familiarity there,
62:23which I think is really good for Sam Darnold.
62:25Like Sam Darnold is a really good fit in this offensive system.
62:29He's one of these guys where you don't want to get him like frazzled post-snap.
62:32But, you know, you don't want to make too many decisions post-snap.
62:35It's like, hey, get up there and, you know, if it's this coverage, this is your first read, like blah, blah, blah, blah, the whole thing.
62:42Like very kind of – this comes off derogatory when you then do like the pointless, where do I rank this guy like league-wide, quarterback-wise?
62:49But on this team, he can execute these assignments because it's just like he's a good fit for this.
62:53Just don't ask him to do too much that he's not comfortable with.
62:57But they probably won't, and they – Jory have like some interesting maybe ascending players like Rashid Shaheed now with the full offseason with this team.
63:03Jadarian Price, if he can get running like and getting up here and going if he's healthy, he could be a big
63:09change force like Elijah Arroyo in year two. There's just a lot here I think to be excited about this offense.
63:14And from a fantasy perspective, people are really basically drafting Jackson Smith and Jigba, kind of mid-round pick on Jadarian Price, and that is it.
63:21Cooper Kupp? No. I mean, people draft Cooper Cupp, but like they should not draft Cooper.
63:25Okay. Don't you think Cooper Cupp has kind of transitioned into his like coach on the field slash like useful blocker role?
63:31Like he's just not really – I still think he's useful for like football purposes.
63:34For football. Yeah. Oh, totally. Well, Nate and I just did a show yesterday talking about like the 10 players who are better in real life than fantasy.
63:42Yeah. And we joked that Cooper Cupp has kind of gone from being like a fantasy superstar to that type of player.
63:47And I think that – again, but that makes the offensive ecosystem feel complete.
63:51That's a good point. Like still 12.6 yards per reception last year, 593 yards, but only two touchdowns.
63:55Exactly. And like not a lot of targets, not a lot of opportunities.
63:59Right, right. Because he's there to block and like set things up for JSN.
64:02He's there so Jackson Smith can get like a 30% target share, which I think is really the key for this whole thing.
64:08So let's go to another team in the NFC West, Brian Flory's former team, San Bernardino's former team, 49ers.
64:13I mean, we kind of have to talk about the man of the hour here, DeJong Stribbling.
64:17Really interesting player. What did you see from him?
64:20Yeah, I sat down with DeJong Stribbling and talked to him.
64:23And I think, first of all, this is a guy who – not to get cliche about the mindset, but it was
64:28right after his really productive preseason game. And when I asked him about it, all he could tell me is like, I missed assignments.
64:34I have to get so much better. And I think it was Shanahan who had kind of – Well, I was going
64:40to say, that was what I saw Shanahan talking about.
64:42He's like, I don't really care about preseason. Like, he's got to clean some stuff up.
64:47Right, right, right. And George Kittle said this. George is like, Kyle's not afraid to go after everyone.
64:51He went after DeJong Stribbling in the meetings in front of everyone.
64:54I think that when I talked to general manager John Lynch, he's kind of like – First of all, obviously, they were
65:00not so concerned about what other teams thought. Sure, there are some teams I've talked to who are more like, yeah, maybe mid to late second.
65:07But there weren't – the teams I'm talking to are not like this is a fourth-round pick.
65:11I think when a guy is going from school to school and college, he's not always able to show everything.
65:16And then when you look at what Lane Kiffin was doing, like there was some tempo stuff that didn't allow him to run the full route tree.
65:23That is what John Lynch believes. And so I think that – Oh, I can tell you that.
65:28Yeah, and as I say to some of the reception perception guy.
65:31So I think that John Lynch's belief was that you had to work harder to scout DeJong Stribbling because he had been in different systems.
65:37And some of them were a better fit for him and asked him to do more.
65:41But I think that they felt like he had that ability.
65:44And perhaps most importantly, Brock Purdy definitely trusts this guy.
65:46Nice, yeah. I mean it's obviously – so I see what he does in preseason games.
65:51So when I'm there for practices, I mean Brock was going to him quite a bit.
65:55You can tell me if this is like too much narrative scouting here.
65:58But I look at Stribbling as a guy that – you know, you read like Dane Brugler's write-up of him in The Beast.
66:04He's talking about like from a military background, like really good kid, gets great character reports.
66:08And then like I can back this up from watching him.
66:11He's like a high football character player too where he gives a ton of effort, catches everything.
66:15He blocks for his teammates. He gets – he almost never goes down on first contact.
66:19So like number one, all of that sounds like a Kyle Shanahan receiver.
66:23And some of the stuff that they've maybe gone through with receivers the last few years would maybe inform them to skew into a type like this.
66:30Right. I think personality-wise this guy is much more Christian McCaffrey than he is Debo Samuel or Brandon Ayuken.
66:34Even they've had some guys – like they've had guys like Jawan Jennings who are much more like I'm going to be the bully on the field guy.
66:42Well, he's kind of like souped up Jawan Jennings is who he kind of – From the play style you're saying.
66:47Yeah. But from a personality, it's much more Christian McCaffrey like going to do everything right vibes so far.
66:52So far, yeah. So I mean the hype on Stribbling is pretty crazy from a fantasy perspective.
66:56I mean from a social media perspective. But there is a reason for it and I'm glad to hear the people that
67:02you talked to believe he was a day two pick because that's what I had him ranked as.
67:06You know, as a prospect, I had him ranked as a day two player.
67:10He just goes on literally the first pick of the second day which is maybe aggressive but still like he was a
67:16day two player that got drafted on day two.
67:18Yeah, two notes on that. First of all, I do think there were some teams that were not in the market for
67:24a receiver that were much higher on him than people realize.
67:26I also think it's interesting because, again, going back to when I was in the Browns draft room, Andrew Berry had told
67:32my time, their general manager, that 2024 draft, 2025 draft, there kind of seemed to be this consensus on a lot of
67:38picks across the league, not across the media. Because, you know, there's a lot more data available.
67:42There's a lot more information. The way people were scouting seemed to be more similar and so they were arriving at more of the same conclusions.
67:49The Browns, for example, who ended up getting Casey, Concepcion, and Anzal Boston when they would have been happy to get one
67:54and didn't think they could necessarily get to relative to where they picked, were surprised that those guys were available in part
68:00because they thought that other people would be higher on them than they were.
68:03So I do think particularly at receiver in this age of guys switching schools that there is going to be less consensus on sharing guys.
68:10That doesn't mean they're not going to be ready.
68:12Yeah, and guys coming out a little bit later too.
68:15It skews some of the, like, statistical modeling, which I think is a lot of what led to Stribbling being, quote, like
68:20a reach in some methods and models there. All right, last one we're going to talk about here because you went to
68:26the Chargers, you went to the Rams, two LA teams, but they're going to come up in the hotline segment.
68:31Broncos, talk to you about Jalen Waddell and what we're seeing there because, and Bo Nix and the whole deal because, like,
68:37my God, Jory, I have been really high on Jalen Waddell ever since that trade happened.
68:41Yeah, they're very high on Jalen Waddell and they're very high on how he can be that speed element.
68:46They've kind of been missing in the burner. They're excited that they no longer feel like they can't throw to Patrick Sertan's side of the defense in practice.
68:53Interesting. And I think what's interesting is there's a play, I think it was in the preseason game, I wrote about this,
68:59where Jalen Waddell almost, like, kind of stops before getting the ball.
69:02And it's because he's so fast that it's like he was running too fast.
69:05And so I think that Bo Nix is going to continue to be acclimated from him, but that was, like, a 35-yard
69:11catch or something like that on third and five in the preseason game.
69:14Obviously, it's a preseason game, but I think it reflects how when you really need that yardage, they feel like he can do it.
69:20And he also, I believe, got something like 23 yards after the catch on that play.
69:24So they think it's going to be on the front end and they think it's going to be on the back end too.
69:30Well, and that was really fun to watch that play too because one of the biggest reasons I'm excited about Waddell is
69:36that when he was in Miami, because they did a lot of role catering to time and kill, Jalen Waddell was often
69:42the ex-receiver, like, the outside on-ball player. And that doesn't really, like, he can play, obviously he can play that position.
69:47We've seen him be really efficient while doing that.
69:49But he really is that, like, move, slot, Z receiver, which Sean Payton has talked about him as that guy.
69:54And on that play that you're talking about there, that was one where he motions into the slot, he's off the ball,
70:00and he runs a vertical route at the seam.
70:02And I was like, this is exactly what I've been talking about for months.
70:06Which, by the way, they are saying they're going to use a lot more emotion.
70:10That's what the defense is telling me. So, I mean, everyone and their mom is saying they're going to use more emotion, more under center, more play actions.
70:17It's going to make for that what you will.
70:19But I do think that it's still going to be the Sean Payton offense generally, but I think that Davis Webb is
70:25going to modernize it a little bit. Yeah, I'm really excited to see what the Davis Webb, like Bo Nix, Sean Payton dynamic looks like.
70:31But one thing I know for sure is that, like, when Jalen Waddell is available in the fourth round of my fantasy
70:37drafts, if he's there and I'm on the clock, I'm taking him there every time.
70:41I really think he is going to be one of the guys that defines this season from a wide receiver.
70:46Yeah, I think that's a good one. Yes, and to check it, it was 35 yards, but it was 23 before the catch, 12 after.
70:52So, again, they're going deep with him, but he's still able to tack it on.
70:56And he was able to tack on 12 yards after the catch, even though he didn't catch it in stride.
71:01Pretty exciting stuff. They've really needed a player like that.
71:04It's almost like why you go out and give a first round pick, third round pick, and a nice little trade package for a guy like this.
71:11And then you give him a lot of targets.
71:13That's usually how it works out. All right, we're going to take our last break.
71:17We come back. Your questions, plus more camp visits, all combined in the Toyota mailbag.
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71:27Every Thursday, we are taking your most pressing questions for Fantasy Hotline.
71:30And today, we asked because we have an elite, serious, professional reporter here who was at all these training camps who said,
71:36you people out there, you folks at home, what's your most pressing question you have about a player or situation from training
71:42camp that you feel you did not get answered?
71:44We're going to answer it today between your reporting and my whatever's going on up here.
71:48Men's knowledge. Known idiot fantasy takes. We're going to try to combine all that together and give the people the right answer.
71:54We're going to start in Los Angeles with the LA Rams.
71:57Again, a camp that you are at, Jory. At Greg Fear 2.
72:00Love to read the Twitter handle. Says, McVay has always had a bell cow back as far as I can remember, but this year seems different.
72:06How involved will Blake Corum be in the Rams backfield?
72:09Will it be 50-50 because of blowouts and the Rams resting current?
72:12Or will Corum legitimately earn touches? Thanks, Matt. Love the content.
72:15I can see why this one made it in because they said something nice about me and the show.
72:20Love the content. That was mostly Colin reading that and saying, love Colin's content because he thinks this is all about him.
72:25I was thinking the biggest unanswered question is like, who all loves your content?
72:29And now we're getting an answer of like this guy.
72:31Greg Fear 2. If you love the content, let us know in the YouTube comments.
72:35Okay? We really need the validation. Okay. So on the Rams part is, I think the question here in terms of how
72:41much will Blake Corum be involved, Jory, is kind of how much like explosives is this offense looking to find?
72:46Because Kyron's been a good success rate player, but Corum has brought more explosive playability.
72:50So what do you think about like the explosive play potential of this offense?
72:53Yeah, it's so interesting because I think first of all, obviously all this starts with Matthew Stafford and what his threat is.
72:59Well, he's coming off an MVP season in which last year he didn't practice in training camp because he had an injured back.
73:05And then he went on to be MVP. So like, forget his age.
73:08I feel like the ceiling is so high for him.
73:11And you have Puka who is on a contract year.
73:13So you have that. McVay always evolves. I feel like anytime we're like, this is what McVay is going to do.
73:19It's just like a lack of humility when we're saying that, because that's the thing that makes him so great.
73:24It's as much as we say the Shanahan McVay system, McVay's system is an evolving system.
73:28And he's always really different last year from what it was in 2017.
73:31And so we keep hearing, oh, 13, they're going to have this heavy personnel.
73:35And I think they will. And the question is, what does that look like for the run game?
73:39But I think they're blocking with, if you have that 13 personnel, should be really interesting.
73:44Yeah. And I think from a Blake Coran perspective, he likely will eat a little bit more into Kyron Williams workload.
73:49I don't know that it would ever be true 50, 50, but the reality is like both of these backs are good
73:55picks this year because if one, and this applies to Kyron too, if Kyron was to miss time, Blake Coran would obviously be a huge winner there.
74:01But on the inverse, Blake Coran missed any time.
74:04Like they just traded Jarquez Hunter for 2-2 Atwell today.
74:06So I kept telling you guys like 2-2 Atwell was not going to be involved in the Dolphins receiving court.
74:11Was right about that. Like their young guys are way more interesting.
74:15But yeah, like Jarquez Hunter is not there. It's going to just be like the Kyron Williams show if anything happens to Blake Coran.
74:21Let's go to the next question here. We're sticking in.
74:23Can I say one last thing? Sure. I think we'd be disingenuous to not mention that Miles Garrett and their new cornerbacks
74:29should allow the defense to get off the field more quickly.
74:32And so I'm curious to end up having a couple more offensive possessions a game because of what your defense can do.
74:37That's a really good point. It's something we don't talk enough about from a fantasy standpoint that actually, if your defense is
74:43good, it allows your offense to get more drives in.
74:46So that could be really interesting for this Rams team.
74:48Okay. Next one comes in from at donkey underscore dealer.
74:51I've been looking for a donkey dealer. Well, good.
74:53You can hit this person up. What is going on with Aranda Gadsden?
74:56Does he have a role in the Chargers offense or does he get buried by Mike McDaniel?
75:01I want to hear what you have to say about the Chargers.
75:04I will just say quickly. Yeah. What's going on with Aranda Gadsden is he is going to get buried by Mike McDaniel
75:09because Gadsden is like a, is a Tino. He's a tight end in name only.
75:13He's like Mike Gusecki. And what happened with Mike Gusecki when Mike McDaniel got to Miami, he's like, I need actual real tight ends.
75:19I need blockers, which is why like Charlie Kolar is going to play more snaps.
75:23David and joke who's going to play more snaps.
75:25So yeah, Gadsden can't draft him to fantasy. Maybe something changes, see what happens.
75:29But for now, I think it's gonna be a lot of those two guys.
75:33He'll be on the field a little bit and be a matchup nightmare, but not enough to be like a fantasy factor necessarily.
75:39So when you look at some of the other players and just like the structure of this offense, what did you kind of see from that?
75:45Yeah. I would say the context to keep in mind in terms of how everyone will perform is that Mike McDaniel firmly believes in the quick game.
75:52He believes I don't trust any offensive line, even if they're talented in the NFL against the guys that are coming on the defensive line.
75:58And so I need to get the ball out.
76:01You saw how quickly Tua got the ball out all the time, which means a lot more of the quick game.
76:06And so yes, they're hoping for yards after the catch, but I don't think they're going to air it out deep as much.
76:12And if you look at Justin Herbert, since he got in the league, no one has had more sacks, more quarterback hits, more pressured.
76:18And that's what the Chargers are going to be solving for, which we already see why they need to, because Tyler Biotish is already out for the season.
76:25And so we're already injured long-term. I believe it's out for the season.
76:29So, yeah. So I just think that that's what you got to figure out is that the yards before the catch, I think is going to go down.
76:36The question is what's the yards after the catch can all play.
76:39Well, and luckily they are top two receivers, Lad McConkie, Quentin Johnson, are guys who can break tackles.
76:44Lad, like I compare him to Tyler Lockett as like a route runner and as a separator, but obviously people think of
76:49like late career Tyler Lockett, just giving himself up after the catch.
76:52I'm thinking like Tyler Lockett when he was an incredible returner.
76:55And Lad McConkie is a guy that broke a lot of tackles in college and can be a returner as well.
77:00So he's a good fit here. And QJ is a good fit here too.
77:04I kind of compare QJ, Jory to, I don't know if you remember that, like Arthur Smith season in 2020 with the Titans where AJ Brown was awesome.
77:11He was number three in the NFL in yards per outrun.
77:14Corey Davis was number five in the NFL in yards per outrun that year because it's like you get all these heavy
77:20personnel packages, but you're really just looking for explosives to the receivers.
77:23So both these guys are in interesting positions from a redraft ADP standpoint.
77:26Anything else on chargers or should we? Just on Arthur Smith, because you mentioned him, Johnny Smith got signed by the Packers.
77:32And I didn't know that Johnny Smith was allowed to play without Arthur Smith.
77:35I thought he was going to go back to Ohio State.
77:38Yeah. I mean, that would have been nice because Josh says something on the Bold Predictions show, I believe, that we pre-taped earlier today for Labor Day.
77:45And that was proven right actually by the John or Smith signing like 20 minutes later.
77:49So that's going to be fun when you guys see that like in a week or so from now.
77:54Okay. I want to skip ahead and go to Minnesota.
77:57If we can get that tweet up here, producers, because Jory was at that camp and we did say we're going to come back to it.
78:03Look at these guys. They're so good. At Moose FFB, is Kyler Murray actually a viable quarterback to support the players going around him from a fantasy standpoint?
78:10Haven't heard much of his performance since being named starter.
78:13You were in Minnesota. What did you see from the Kyler Murray experience?
78:16Yeah, I think we got to start off by the context for Kyler Murray this season and for the Vikings this season
78:22is that, yes, this is still a Kevin O'Connell offense, but they hired Frank Smith, who worked under Mike McDaniel in Miami to revitalize the run game.
78:29And they're all super impressive that I talked to Aaron Jones about this.
78:32I talked to Justin Jefferson and they think that that is really going to allow them to have a level of balance.
78:38And so when you say, well, Kyler, does that really fit what KOC is doing?
78:42I think that Kyler's run threat paired with new run game principles is probably more of a problem for defenses than Kyler's
78:47run threat with the Vikings offense as it looked last year.
78:50I'm interested to see this fit. I think it was pretty clear for me, even when I was there on their first
78:56day of practice and there had not been a decision yet at quarterback, that they believe the ceiling was much higher with
79:01Kyler and that's what they wanted to go for.
79:04I think Kyler is going to be very motivated.
79:06I think you and I talked at the combine this year about how I had people telling me, Kyler's the guy you
79:12might not want to put on your team, but you don't want to play against nothing.
79:16You don't want to put him. I'm not trying to trash the guy, but like he's not Patrick Mahomes right now, but
79:21that he's such a problem for defenses that they can't stand game planning against him.
79:25And now you put him with Justin Jefferson, among others.
79:28I think there's a lot they can do. I will say he and Jordan Addison were more on the same page when
79:33I was there than he and Justin Jefferson. It was early in camp.
79:37So that's not necessarily what it's going to look like next month.
79:40That was what it looked like when I was there.
79:42And I think the fascinating thing about Kyler is that we've seen the rushing drop off of late.
79:47You know, 29 carries for 173 yards, obviously got injured and, you know, soft benched last year in 2024, 78 for 572, 2023, four for 244.
79:54He used to have like 133 carries, 819 yards in his second season, 11 rushing touchdowns, 88 carries in 2021.
79:59I think one of my, one of my theories is like, they've signed Kyler.
80:02It's a one year deal. They're really intent. And I agree with you about fixing this run game.
80:07I think this is the Kevin O'Connell feels like he gives lip service to like fixing the run game every year, but
80:13this year, they've actually made like a coaching move to go.
80:15You mentioned Frank Smith. That's a big one to fix this thing.
80:18I really feel like Kyler is going to be a big part of the design run game.
80:23Cause it's like, it's here on a one year deal.
80:25You know, if it works out, it works. If not, move on.
80:28I think there's the design run game, but also like those are his rushing yards.
80:32You still have the times he escapes the pocket and throws downfield.
80:35And I feel like if they say, it kind of just keeps the defense honest a little bit, because I think that
80:41part of Kyler's legs is going to be actually running.
80:43And a lot of it is going to be extend the play and get downfield.
80:47I remember talking to one of his college offensive linemen back at the combine when they were coming out and he was
80:53just like blocking for Kyler is such a pain.
80:55Cause you just like the play is never over.
80:58And again, this is not Kyler six years ago.
81:00I get that, but I do think that fearing Kyler going out will create some more opportunities.
81:04Last one here. This is from at Jonathan doe seven was national Jalen Coker day.
81:08Just a one year thing. I was like, what is this?
81:11Because I was like, what the hell are we talking about here?
81:14And they linked a tweet that I posted last year, a video of a mad Mick Mads Mikkelsen, the actor doing that, like dancing on the street.
81:21You ever seen that, that mean that I'm looking at it right now from our show.
81:25So great job producers. Excellent. Great job producers. Me all day during this, what's now known as national Jalen Coker day.
81:30I said this last year, because this is the year that, or this is the day last year that Adam Thielen was
81:36released by the Panthers or not released, was traded to the Minnesota Vikings.
81:39So I was able to celebrate like Jalen Coker was now going to take Adam Thielen's job.
81:44You know, this, this was a, but unfortunately I think we, it actually wasn't Jalen, national Jalen Coker day because Jalen Coker
81:49got hurt like right after this and missed the, with the quad injury and missed the first part of the season.
81:55So maybe out of respect for Jalen Coker, we should stop having national Jalen Coker day.
81:59Well, national Jalen Coker day is now the anniversary of his eruption game against the Rams in the playoffs.
82:04Okay. That's probably because, uh, yes, because unfortunately we didn't get to see the lift off until later in the season.
82:09Yeah. I remember this because I posted this. And then two days later, my wife and I were on our annual end of summer trip.
82:15And I got the alert about Jalen Coker being, you know, having to go on IR because of this injury after we
82:21hiked to the top of like one of the Shenandoah, Shenandoah mountains.
82:24And I was like, Oh, can I just throw my damn phone right off this after getting this newsletter?
82:29It was like, wow, I'm so detached from the world.
82:32This is my end of summer trip. Football. It's a whole day, whatever.
82:35And then that's the newsletter I got. I want to just literally throw my phone off the top of the mountain.
82:40But so that's why I didn't really celebrate today because now it's kind of a hurtful thing, but we will celebrate Jalen Coker based on every other day.
82:47Well, I'm attempting to get a hike in on Sunday as it's like Mondays are our anniversary.
82:52So I'm sure that when all those cuts come through and someone gets cut, I too will have a national somebody day
82:57of why I'm hurt because you just toss that phone right off the mountain.
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83:31I know I love it. And I also know that I love having Jory on the show.
83:36This has been absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate you classing up this show with your serious reporting and serious journalism.
83:41Jory, thanks for stopping by. It was awesome being on with you, Matt.
83:44I feel like we should have like made a little more fun of you calling yourself a known idiot, but we have another day for that.
83:51I am a known idiot, you know, so it is what it is.
83:54All right. That's just how this whole thing goes.
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83:59If you're, if you're going to be behind a microphone for way too many hours during the day, you got to have
84:05at least a little bit of self-awareness. People are listening for some reason other than because you're an idiot.
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