0:00Big show for you here today. It is the Week 5 Data Dump with Ray Garvin.
0:05We got a ton to get into today. We have a surprise retirement to discuss right off the rip here.
0:11Lane Johnson ends his career. Philadelphia Eagles, their offense already not looking so good.
0:16Definitely not going to get any better than what we have seen so far without Lane Johnson.
0:21Ray and I talked through that. All the stats you need to know heading into Week 5.
0:26Some rookie receivers on the rise. Some run games that might present some hidden value.
0:31Plus, we got a recap of our Yahoo Fantasy League.
0:34Your boy took his first loss, and I'm going to try to take it with some dignity.
0:39All that and more caught up on today's show.
0:42Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? I'm Matt Harmon.
0:46Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast, and it is a hell of a day to talk ball, and joining me to do
0:52just that is my guy, Ray Garvin. Ray, what's going on, man?
0:56Matt, I'm feeling good. Feeling good. There was some news that we'll talk about here in a second, but the biggest news
1:03that I know you won't discuss because you are – I don't want to call you a hater, but you don't like
1:10some of the pre-show banter when me and producer Colin talk about the Cowboys.
1:14Tyler Smith, all pro guard, back for the Dallas Cowboys.
1:17We are rolling, baby. Winning big last Sunday. Thursday night matchup I'm excited for.
1:22I'll be at that game, by the way. So, yeah, I'm feeling great.
1:26I'm feeling great right now. Cowboys are flying high inside of the riveting NFC East.
1:31Yeah, for a second there, I was going to, you know, just begrudge you for taking the mantle from actual real NFC
1:37East offensive line news that is cataclysmic here for a certain team in the division.
1:42Yeah, and yet, that is a good note that you're going to be at the game on Thursday.
1:48I'm going to actually text you after that game and get your live scouting report so that I can talk about it on the Thursday night recap.
1:56How does that sound? That sounds good, baby. I got you.
2:00I got you. Okay, perfect. Yeah, we have everything that we usually do here on the Tuesday show.
2:05It's the 10 stats. You need to know the data dump.
2:09Of course, we also have the Yahoo Fantasy League recap at the end of the show.
2:14But as Ray said, we had some massive news that happened.
2:17Thankfully, it's bad news for the player and the team might be good news for the player.
2:22You know, we'll talk about it. We'll see. But it's not great news for Eagles fans.
2:27However, it is good timing because our very first topic of the day is going to be on that particular team.
2:34So without any further ado, welcome to the week five data dump.
2:38Yes, science. My calculations are correct. You're going to see some serious.
2:42Yes. As mentioned, it's not great news for the Philadelphia Eagles, but it is good timing for us, Ray, because your first
2:48data point was going to be about the Philadelphia Eagles.
2:52And then literally five minutes before we went live here on the YouTube channel, Lane Johnson posts on Twitter that he is retiring.
2:59He said, Philadelphia, you are truly the city of brotherly love, the best fans and the most prideful city in the entire world.
3:06I've given it all for 14 years, season after season, pushing my body to the max and tirelessly working my craft to
3:13not only live up to the legacy of the guys that came before me, but to set a new standard of success
3:20for the best franchise in all of sports. Goes on to say he wanted to D you wanted deeply to gut it out for one more year.
3:28But I think at this point, his body just can no longer take it here.
3:33And, you know, it was the warning signs were coming here, Ray, that something was up right with Lane Johnson.
3:39When we had a late news on Sunday morning, he was going to be inactive for a personal reason.
3:45Brandon Graham, as we talked about on the recap show, theorized that he might be ready to announce his retirement.
3:51That is indeed what has happened. So we don't always talk about offensive lineman news on the fantasy show, even though we absolutely should much more often.
4:00This is a big deal here. This is one of the needle moving offensive linemen in the NFL.
4:05The on off splits are crazy high with him, Ray.
4:08And we're officially going to be off for a long time.
4:12The rest of time here, because Lane Johnson is retiring from the NFL and leaving the Philadelphia Eagles.
4:17Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, I do believe that coming into the season, there were question marks whether he was going to play or not.
4:26There was some ambiguity and he ended up deciding to come back and play.
4:30But four weeks into the season, this is so tough because they have been together the entire training camp cycle with him playing right tackle.
4:38And to adjust this on the fly, in the middle of the season, I, whew, this is rough for a Philadelphia Eagles
4:45team and offense that have not been good. It doesn't get, I'll tell you this, Matt.
4:50I can't tell you what happens when they plug in Markel Bell, rookie tackle from the University of Miami.
4:56But I can assure you of this, it does not get better losing Lane Johnson.
5:00And this is rough for Philadelphia. Yeah, it really is rough.
5:04And man, it's just, you did feel, like you said, you felt this kind of coming where Lane Johnson said he'd want,
5:11this was going to be his last year, no matter what.
5:14But just physically can't do it. And this guy's been at the top of the profession for a long time.
5:20He's an instant hall of famer as soon as he's eligible.
5:24So he's done. And this is an offensive line that's really struggled, Ray.
5:28The entire identity of this offense is supposed to be built on the run game.
5:32They're supposed to be more of an under center team this year.
5:36The under center stuff is not happening for them.
5:39The offensive transition is not happening for them. They are a rough watch right now.
5:44And to your point, it's not going to get better here without Lane Johnson.
5:48Lane Johnson can be 80% of himself and still be significantly better than a vast majority of the starting tackles in the NFL.
5:55So looking at the depth chart right now, this is just not the unit that was supposed to be, right?
6:02We're severely downgraded here. Really, it's just Jordan Mailata right now, the stalwart left tackle.
6:06Tyler Steen is in his correct position, but that's it.
6:09And Steen is probably there on paper when everybody was supposed to be healthy this year.
6:14Their worst starting offensive lineman. Not a bad player necessarily, but their worst starting offensive lineman.
6:19So shocking news here on the Lane Johnson retirement and just has massive trickle down effects.
6:24So with that, with that in the background, let's talk more about why the Eagles offense has been a disaster so far, Ray.
6:32Yeah, Matt, this is one where, again, I'm trying to put our minds back into what our expectations were coming into the season.
6:39And regardless if you or I thought that they were going to be an elite offense, I don't think anybody predicted that
6:46they would be as bad as they are right now.
6:49So let me give you some points here about Philadelphia's offense.
6:52I'm sure we've seen a lot of them. Their offense right now, they are third overall in the NFL in wide receiver
6:59target share, but yet only tied for 15th in overall wide receiver targets.
7:03They direct 68% of their targets to the wide receiver position, which is third highest in the NFL, but only 72 collective
7:10targets to the wide receiver position this season, which is tied for 15th.
7:14So a huge share of this offense is producing ordinary volume.
7:17They are averaging almost one and a half punts per offensive scoring drive, fourth worst in the NFL.
7:23That is approximately 55% more punts per score than the league average of 0.94.
7:27Philly runs about 57 and a half plays per game, which is 26 versus a league average of 62, 18 fewer plays across four games.
7:35Neither phase works consistently for this offense. 38% passing success rate, 29th.
7:3937% rushing success rate, 26th. Both of those sit below league average of about 45.3 and 41.7% respectively.
7:45They are converting only 36% of their third downs, which is 27th.
7:48And they gain about 4.7 yards per play, which is 27th.
7:52The offensive struggles are both like just it's, it's, it's, they struggle.
7:56They're not creating any type of plays. And this is just breaking down like high level, how they played throughout this season.
8:02If we go to like second half offense, listen to this.
8:06The Eagles with 172 yards of total offense, right?
8:09Their lowest total in a game in 12 years is what happened this past weekend.
8:1368 net passing yards in week four. Lowest total in a regular season game in the last 23 years.
8:19And here's the kicker, man. Based on success rate, this Eagles offense, it is the worst offense.
8:25It's the worst Eagles offense has performed through four weeks of a season.
8:29This century, the century as like 50 years plus 50 more years.
8:32The worst this offense has performed via success rate through the first four weeks of a season.
8:38It is so bad yet. We're looking around. Do we play Wicks?
8:42Do we play lemon? What do we do with this week with Will Shipley?
8:46Like the answer right here, Matt Harmon, it might be nobody besides like, I always keep saying Jalen hurts is good for Jalen hurts.
8:53And that's about it. This is gone from concerning to bad to full blown panic real fast in a month of the NFL season.
9:01Yeah, we had total panic on the Eagles offense yesterday on the panic meter show.
9:06I'm sure you're going to have the same in the column.
9:09And I mean, is Jalen hurts even good for Jalen hurts at this point?
9:13He's not had a true, you know, bottom out fantasy season here, but he's not been close to what you wanted.
9:20I mean, he had the 24.7 points in week one when everybody was healthy and that's great.
9:25But, um, Tennessee in week two, 16 points, Chicago, 12.6 Rams this past week, 13.5.
9:30I don't think he's got the juice to run anymore.
9:33Um, as a design runner, I think that's just steadily been gone down, like going down and they're not doing any of that at this point.
9:41So is, is Jalen hurts even a guy that we can rank as a must start in fantasy?
9:47I would argue no here because Ray, not only in everything, all everything we're saying here, which is obviously all bad.
9:53But the other thing that's, that's rough here too, is that, I mean, this Jags defense that they're playing week five is awesome.
10:01I'll talk about more of that in a second here, but do you think we can even rank Jalen hurts as a starting fantasy quarterback this week?
10:09No, no. The answer is no. You pointed something out just a second ago, the rushing for hurts.
10:15Like that's always been sort of his saving grace is despite the fact, whatever you want to say about him throwing the football, passing efficiency.
10:22We knew he was never going to be Aaron Rogers.
10:26He, you could count on his legs. You could count on him to score touchdowns like the tush push that they're not
10:32even in position to use it because they're not at the goal line to do any of that.
10:38Now you talk about losing Lane Johnson, you're inserting.
10:41And if I'm not mistaken, the tackle that's starting now in place of Lane Johnson, and I'm going back to the college football.
10:48Well, he was at Miami, but I don't even think he was there.
10:52Like he wasn't like a highly rated recruit. Markel Bell, when he was at my, this is not a good tackle.
10:59He's, he's a, he's a project, he's a project tackle.
11:02This is somebody they probably wanted to see. Yeah.
11:05He's huge behind Lane Johnson, but I, I'm looking at this, look at the screen, Matt, like where?
11:10Yeah. I don't even know what to say about this right now.
11:14This has gone from bad to worse to abysmal real fast.
11:17I mean, yeah, not just not a lot of good players here.
11:21And I think that's kind of the reality of the situation with where the Eagles are.
11:26I mean, we'll see what will Shipley is, but that's where we're at from a running back perspective.
11:32That's obviously their third string guy. Devante Smith being out is a Jenga piece type of player.
11:37That's how good he is. You know, Darius Cooper runs 91% of the routes in week two did make a couple of
11:44sick catches, but I'm not sure that he's somebody that you want running 91% of the routes in week four.
11:50Makai Lemon has just been a total nothing burger so far, which I think is predictable because he's a rookie receiver that
11:57missed a ton of time in training camp. But what's your level of panic on the fact that there's all this opportunity
12:04in the world for Lemon to get going. And I mean, we've just really seen almost nothing at this point.
12:10They're not running enough plays. It's three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, right?
12:17Like there's just, I'm not trying to, we get accused on this show of being fear mongers, but right now you need to be fearful.
12:25And looking around from Lemon to Wicks, you know, whenever Devante Smith is back, like there just needs to be some significant improvements on this team.
12:33And losing, I don't want to call him Hall of Fame, but a perennial Pro Bowl caliber right tackle, one of the best right tackles of his era.
12:42Can we call him Hall of Fame? Can we go there?
12:45Can we go? I just, I don't want the O-line enthusiasts coming at us, but a Hall of Fame level player in the middle of the season, Matt.
12:54This is, it's this, football is not like Madden.
12:57Okay? In Madden, you can just sub out a player, put somebody else in and just continue to play the game and it works well.
13:05Like this is going to take some time to get, to get right.
13:09And for fantasy, I just don't think we have enough time to really depend on any Eagle right now.
13:15And I'm looking at Devante, I'm staring at Devante Smith.
13:18Like even when he's back, he's a lower end fantasy option for us and probably will not hit the expectation level that we had.
13:25Yeah, I'm still open to Smith being good once he gets back, but when is he going to get back?
13:31It's a hamstring injury. You know, he's definitely going to miss this week and he maybe missed the week six game against the Carolina Panthers back in Philadelphia.
13:40That's a tough part of all this too, by the way, in the middle of everything happening with this team right now,
13:47all the chaos, all of just the poor play on the field.
13:51And now they're dealing with the Lane Johnson retirement.
13:54They got to get on a frigging plane and go to England.
13:57They're playing, they're playing the Jags and Tottenham this week.
14:01So, and like I said, that Jags defense is awesome.
14:04Okay. Going back and watching the Bengals film, I can't believe I'm saying this, but charting Dante Myers for reception perception, the
14:11Bengals wide receiver three, really interesting player. I was just so impressed with that Jags defense, just how quick they closed these holes in zone coverage.
14:19I mean, you know, I was a huge Travis Hunter enthusiast as a wide receiver prospect.
14:24After watching him play cornerback these last two weeks, I'm like, I don't need to ever see him play wide receiver again.
14:31That's how good he's been as a cornerback. He's been fan freaking tastic.
14:35Even one of the plays where they allow a first down to Myers, Myers turns around and Travis Hunter is right there to pop him on the sideline.
14:43I mean, he's playing great. The whole secondary is electric right now.
14:47They just closed these windows against zone coverage so quickly.
14:50I'm not sure the Wicks lemon hurts passing attack matches up well here with this team right now.
14:56So yeah, I mean, they need, I don't know what they need, but they come back and then they get the Panthers,
15:03the Cowboys, the commanders and the giants for their week 10 by the schedule is, you know, it's, it's fine.
15:09Like from a defense perspective, those are not the toughest defenses in the entire NFL, but I need like a prove it
15:16game from this Eagles offense at this point. And I'm just not sure we're getting one this week.
15:21Matt, just real quick. What is your confidence level with Will Shipley?
15:25And we're just assuming that they're probably gonna have to call somebody up.
15:29Damian Pierce, Jaden blue. How do you feel about Shipley this week?
15:33I mean, God, I hope you're not in a position where you got to start Will Shipley.
15:38I mean, all right. Now I have him as my running back 27 to 29.
15:43You know, you're, you're looking at, again, this is, this is assuming that he's going to be the guy, which I think is a bad assumption.
15:51I'm not even sure about that. But, you know, I'll certainly slot him in around that.
15:56RJ Harvey, Ja'Cory Kroski, Merritt, Dave Montgomery, Ramondre Stevenson's owners.
15:59Like, I don't know. I'm really excited about any of these options.
16:03Like, maybe he outperforms some of those players. But the Jags run defense has been really strong as well.
16:09So just not a lot of positive indicators coming out of Philadelphia right now.
16:13My last thing just to say about this, two last things.
16:17One, definitely, you know, I'm not going to be full on panic mode on Makai Lemon from a dynasty standpoint, but certainly
16:24not getting off to the start that you want here.
16:27You know, is there a new coaching staff in town next year?
16:31I think we might get to that question here pretty soon.
16:34Lastly, just wish Lane Johnson all the best. Just, you know, in his announcement, he talked about, like, his mental health, essentially,
16:41and how he feels he just is not in the space to give his all to his team and everything.
16:47It's just, it's a constant reminder. These guys are human beings.
16:51They're dealing with a lot. And this is somebody that has absolutely put his body on the line consistently for this team.
16:57And, you know, just one of the, I mean, he's one of the best offensive linemen of my kind of football conscious era.
17:05Right. And just a great player for such a long time.
17:08Just wish him all the best in retirement. Ray, you know, it's always a constant reminder.
17:13These guys are, these guys are human beings. Can I say something to that real quick?
17:18And I don't know if you heard, I don't know if it's his podcast, but Todd Gurley was on a show with
17:25Eric Kendricks and Anthony Barr this week, talking about just how he could do regular things once he stopped playing football.
17:31And he was just talking about washing like a bar of soap.
17:35And he was like, just being able to lift my arms up.
17:39And he said, you don't realize these things until you're done playing.
17:43But he said, he's watching the NFL running backs today thinking like, why the hell was I ever doing that for as long as I did?
17:51And they asked him, do you ever regret it?
17:54Do you regret leaving when you did? And he said, absolutely not.
17:57And that was one of the best running backs that we could remember right during our time, Todd Gurley.
18:03So good for Lane Johnson. It sucks that it's happened right here, but you got to listen to your body and wish him all the best.
18:11No doubt. And hope the Eagles can get it together now without him.
18:16But that is going to be a tall task.
18:18We'll continue to monitor the way that offense performs over the next two weeks.
18:23Okay. My first data point is actually a list from our Yahoo internal data.
18:27I have 15 players here that have a higher than 55% win rate on Yahoo Fantasy through the first four weeks of the season.
18:35Essentially, these are the best picks you could make here.
18:38Number one is Kenneth Walker. All these guys, again, are about 55% here.
18:42So they're only 15. Kenneth Walker is number one.
18:45Jackson Smith and Jigba. Kyron Williams. CeeDee Lamb. Jameer Gibbs.
18:48Derek Henry. Javante Williams. How about that? Josh Allen.
18:51Chris Olave. George Kittle. B. John Robinson. Devontae Adams.
18:53Teddero McMillan. Christian Watson. And Chuba Hubbard. Two Panthers in the top 15.
18:57What do you know? Yeah, the one guy who does stand out here is, and this is something we've been talking about, the best potential late round values.
19:06I guess two of them here, you know, outside the top four or so rounds.
19:11It's Chuba Hubbard and it's George Kittle. Just, it's almost a cautionary tale for betting on guys who have just been hurt to not stay hurt.
19:19That's the Chuba Hubbard story because we got excited about Jonathan Brooks.
19:23People got excited about Jonathan Brooks. Well, unfortunately, he's on IR.
19:26We know the story there. Hubbard's been balling. And for Kittle, it's, well, I don't even know what to say.
19:32I mean, the guy tore his Achilles not that long ago at the end of last season in the playoffs.
19:39And he's ripping off 50-yard touchdown catches. Catching runs on screens against the Denver Broncos.
19:43So it's kind of two sides of the injury coin there.
19:47But obviously a lot of great players here, Ray.
19:50Any reaction to an individual player or trend from this list?
19:53This is such a cool list. I'm glad you brought this up, Hartman.
19:57I mean, we probably could do a whole show just talking through these players relative to ADP.
20:02I guess my first thought is, okay, you've got some big dogs.
20:06JSN, first-round pick. Bijan Robinson, first-round pick. Jameer Gibbs, first-round pick.
20:10Obviously, right? They're there. They're coming off the board early.
20:13I'm looking at some of the other players. CeeDee Lamb.
20:16I think that's an interesting one, Matt. Because a lot of people said, eh, why take CeeDee at the back of the
20:23first when you get George Pickens in the third or the fourth round?
20:27And, you know, right now that's not looking good.
20:30Well... That's not looking great. You know, Kenneth Walker, again, this is one where I just...
20:35I said it during our draft. I said it during the summertime.
20:38People overthought this one. You know, we had wanted Kansas City to have a running back for years.
20:44We chased bad ones from Carson Steele to Isaiah Pacheco to Clyde Edwards-Elair.
20:48And then they finally went out and got one that was pretty good.
20:52And what do you know? Number one. Pretty doggone good Kenneth Walker.
20:56And then, you know, you look at some of these other ones.
21:00And I'm curious your perspective from a receiving standpoint.
21:02When you're looking at Olave, McMillan, Christian Watson. I know I was a big tech guy coming in.
21:08I'm like, look, I'm not worried about Bryce. He's the one.
21:11Now, obviously, his performances past week with Jalen Coker being out has probably helps that number out some.
21:17But you look at him and Watson and Olave, like, there were bets on the offense, bets on the quarterback.
21:23Like, we didn't really know what we were getting out of Tyler Shuck.
21:27But Olave's been great. McMillan has got an opportunity.
21:30Christian Watson looks like he stepped up to be a number one wide receiver for that team.
21:36You know, I think there's a little bit of everything on this top 15 list.
21:40You've got late-round values. You've got mid-round values. You've got your superstars at the top.
21:45I just think this is a really, really cool list.
21:48Right here to look at. Because there's a chance that you on your fantasy rosters have multiple of these guys on your team.
21:55And golly, Matt, what if you have two or three of these guys?
21:59Four of them, potentially. You're cruising. Very much so.
22:02Like, at the turn, you could have grabbed CeeDee Lamb and Kenneth Walker.
22:06You could have grabbed Kenneth Walker and Derrick Henry.
22:09I mean, looking at the... I'm looking back at consensus ADP right now on Fantasy Pros just to get a glimpse of the entire industry.
22:17By the way, shout out to us. We did beat this drum with Kenneth Walker that he was a pick at the turn.
22:24He went 13th overall off the board on Yahoo Drafts.
22:27That was the highest across the industry here. But he's the 16th overall player in consensus ADP.
22:32Again, yeah. CeeDee Lamb was the 11th overall player off the board.
22:36You could have grabbed a CeeDee Lamb and a Kenneth Walker.
22:40He'd be filmed. Great. 15th overall off the board is Kyron Williams.
22:43Javante Williams is 29th off the board. You know, Chris Olave is a third-round pick.
22:4827th overall off the board. You could have grabbed three of those guys very realistically.
22:53Had an excellent start. You know, yeah. Olave was a great pick.
22:56Talked about him a lot this summer as somebody that was really rising.
23:00And then that fourth round, the fourth to fifth round wide receivers, we talked about that area a ton that there was going to be some big hits.
23:09There were going to be some big misses. And then there were going to be some guys that just got on base.
23:16I think guys like Garrett Wilson, you know, he's gotten on base.
23:20DJ Moore when he's healthy, he's gotten on base.
23:23Terry McLaurin is starting to get there at this point.
23:26But the big hits have been McMillan and it's been Christian Watson.
23:30And there's been some – and Devontae Adams, by the way, who wasn't someone that anybody was really excited about.
23:36We know that Pukunakua has obviously missed a lot of time here.
23:40So some of this stuff is going to look different.
23:43I mean, guys like Devontae Adams, maybe they don't last on this list.
23:47You know, we'll see about Chris Olave. I mean, I think a lot of these guys have great sustainability.
23:53But it's the players, I think, up towards the top.
23:56There's always some season-defining players. I think Kenneth Walker, JSN, Kyron Williams, to your point last week with all the receiving usage, that kept up once again.
24:04Very prescient analysis from you this past week. CD Lamb, these guys.
24:08These are going to be the players that define fantasy football, I think, this season.
24:13Can I get your thoughts on Josh Allen? The only quarterback on this list, Josh Allen.
24:18And the age-old kind of expression and fantasy, you know, shout-out to JJ, late-round QB.
24:22You don't have to draft one early because you can get a bunch of replaceable guys later.
24:28Like, just gut feel. Is he – like, how – I know we're being reactionary here, but like, what is he worth, Matt?
24:35If you don't have JSN or Puka, like, is he worth a second-round pick?
24:39Like, if we had to redo a redraft league today, like, what is Josh Allen truly worth?
24:45Positional value be damned. You don't get Gibbs. You don't get Bijan.
24:48Like, what's he worth right now, in your opinion?
24:51Yeah, I mean, I think he goes right where he went.
24:55You know, 21st off the board, 22nd in Yahoo drafts, 20th in some others, 20th.
24:59I think that's where he goes. Second-round pick? That's where – he – there is a gap between him and everybody else.
25:06And, look, the last two weeks haven't been as great for Josh Allen, but, oh, boo-hoo.
25:11You know, you're going to get a couple of low-ish games.
25:15But from a season-long standpoint, he is the best quarterback in fantasy by a good bit here.
25:20He's averaging 27.9 – just under 28 points per game.
25:23QB 2, Brock Purdy, who was an eighth-round pick, which, again, that's a huge shout-out to him.
25:28But 25 points per game. Then it drops to Bryce Young, 22 points per game.
25:33Caleb Williams, 22.5. If you're noticing, I haven't said the names.
25:36Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, that next tier of quarterbacks, right?
25:40That's the thing that when you're doing the early-round quarterback stuff – Drake May, obviously, great last week.
25:45But he was an early-ish-round quarterback, mid-round quarterback that is letting people down.
25:49Those are the guys that have really hurt you this year.
25:53Not that Joe Burrow's been bad. Not that Lamar's been bad.
25:56But it's just relative to the position value around them when you can get even better performances from a guy like Brock Purdy.
26:0355% win percentage. QB 2 on the season, as I mentioned.
26:07Jared Goff, 53% win percentage. Tyler Shuck, 52%. Bryce Young was undrafted.
26:10I mean, you can find these guys later on.
26:13Yeah, I totally agree. You know, you've got a hit on the right one.
26:18I think you nailed it. Where you really feel the pain is if you did draft Jaden Daniels right after Josh Allen
26:25or Drake May right after Josh Allen trying to chase it.
26:28And then you missed out on that round 3-4 running back receiver.
26:32And if you did that, you probably did not take another quarterback later.
26:36You're like, oh, I got Jaden. Right? I didn't get Josh Allen, but I've got Jaden Daniels, so I'm fine.
26:42So I think that's where you feel that pain a little bit more.
26:46But overall, this is – Matt, we need to bring this one back up again.
26:51You know, maybe in a couple of weeks we run this one back.
26:55I really like this list. And hopefully, if you are watching this or listening to this, you've got three of these guys.
27:02And you're feeling pretty good in your leagues right now.
27:05Yeah, we'll definitely do this again after eight weeks.
27:08This is sort of the quarter point check-in. We'll do a halfway check-in on the win percentage.
27:13So, yeah, I definitely was the one who obviously did the hard work to pull this data.
27:18I totally didn't just take this screenshot from our fearless leader, Jason Klabaka, on the group email.
27:24I totally didn't do that. I did all the work here for sure.
27:28No, we'll run those numbers once again after the next four weeks of the season.
27:32But, Ray, let's get to your second data point here heading into week five.
27:37Yeah, Matt, I ran some numbers as well. And you will appreciate this one because it's about the Las Vegas Raiders.
27:43So, I looked at some individual team data from 2009 to October 6, 2026.
27:48And there has not been an offense through four weeks over 544 team offensive seasons where the top three target earners for
27:55a team have been two tight ends and a running back.
27:58Michael Mayer, 24 targets. Brock Bowers, 24 targets. Ashton Gentry, 24 targets.
28:02Those are your three leading target earners inside of this Las Vegas Raiders offense.
28:06No wide receiver. You got Trey Tucker right on the outside at 23.
28:10Bowers has reached this 24 target total in two games.
28:13Vegas ranks last in wide receiver target share in the NFL, 41.9%.
28:17First in tight end target share, 37.5%. It's RBs and tight ends collectively are receiving 58% of the targets inside of this Raiders offense.
28:25When you look at the target share overall last week for Las Vegas, it's just tight end, tight end, tight end.
28:31Ashton Gentry, Ashton Gentry, Ashton Gentry. This is wild to me.
28:35Like, I was like, has this ever happened before?
28:37And I can't go as far as to say ever.
28:40But in 544 team season studies from 2009 to 2025, to get to week four and you do not have a wide
28:47receiver as one of your top three target earners?
28:50Absolutely wild. So the fantasy takeaway here. I get that they've got a difficult matchup against the New England Patriots.
28:56But I do think that Michael Mayer, in conjunction with Brock Bowers, with Ashton Gentry, like you might have all three of these guys in play.
29:05And a big part of that reason, Matt, is because Brock Bowers really isn't a tight end.
29:10Like, the reality is he's kind of like a wide receiver.
29:13He's split out. He's out wide. He's in the slot.
29:16He's not your traditional inline tight end. But just to see those numbers of no team has done what Clint Kubiak is doing right now.
29:242009, I was still in undergrad. Matt, and I'm a little older than you.
29:29I don't want to date myself. I know I look young, right?
29:32But I'm a little older than you. I was in undergrad during that time, at least from when the study can go back and pull data that's consistent.
29:41Like, what do you think about Mayer and Bowers and Gentry and this team just running everything through their tight ends and running backs right now?
29:49First of all, I graduated high school in 2009.
29:52Went to my freshman year in college, 2009. So you're not that much older than me, pal.
29:57You know, don't worry. You're not that old. Wait, I graduated college in 2009.
30:02Yeah, no, no, no, no. Look, you're old, but you're not that old is what I'm saying here, okay?
30:08So, yeah, you're fine. No, but the Brock Bowers part of it is the biggest deal, how different this is.
30:14Because, yes, so far this season, he has run or he's been a tight end on the left side of the formation on 8% of his snaps.
30:22He's been a tight end on the right side, like a true inline guy on 6% of his snaps on the right.
30:29So, you know, you're looking at 14-ish percent, 14, 50% of his snaps there, right?
30:34So that's very unique, of course, when we're talking about the Brock Bowers situation here.
30:39Yeah, he's a totally different animal than your typical tight end.
30:42I mean, for comparison's sake, Michael Mayer, been a tight end on the left for 33%, been a tight end on the right for 45%.
30:50He's much more of a true inline guy. Only 4.8% of his snaps has been lined up out wide, 15% in the slot.
30:57For Bowers this year, it's 47% wide, 37% slot, 1.8% backfield.
31:00He's a movable chess piece. Now, listen, I've said this a lot.
31:04I am not charting Brock Bowers for reception perception until he's got a WR next to his name.
31:10So if his agent wants to get in touch with me, I'm totally down to do that.
31:15We want to work that contract out. Let's do it.
31:18I'm going to continue to lobby for that one.
31:21But for the most part, he's a move tight end that moves all across formation as a mismatched nightmare.
31:27He's not lining up as the X receiver necessarily.
31:30They're going to sacrifice some of these other guys to do that.
31:34But he's running real deal routes down the football field.
31:3732% target share so far this year when he's been active.
31:4034% air yard share. 10 air yards per target.
31:43He's not just getting these little Mickey Mouse dump off looks.
31:46In order to pull off the true tight end offense where you do run through these two guys, you have to have
31:53a unicorn type player, which is what Brock Bowers is.
31:56But because the two tight ends are integral to their offense, I mean, they're definitely going to be some weeks where Michael
32:03Mayer has a game like he did last week where he has just some kind of layup bunny hop catches.
32:10And I guess the question here, Ray, is what's the sustainability factor to all of this?
32:15You know, can they continue to be this really efficient, effective offense where I'm looking at my offensive efficiency metrics right now?
32:21I mean, the Raiders are one of the biggest overperformers relative to last year.
32:26They're 15th in the NFL. They were 17 spots higher than where they finished last season in these metrics.
32:32So they're definitely like, can they sustain that? Can this continue to go without a wide receiver really emerging here?
32:38I think that is the million dollar question. And when I'm looking at the usage, I'm just, I'm following what has been done.
32:45And Trey Tucker's right behind him. So I'm not, I don't want, it's literally, listen, this is Meriden.
32:51Yeah, he's a good player. But overall, there's nobody else, right?
32:54Jalen Naylor doesn't really get used. You and I both like Jack Besh's skill set, but he's not, they're not deploying him
33:01in a way that it's going to be fantasy relevant.
33:04Yeah, they're just, they're not. So I'm focusing on what they're doing and what we saw weeks one through three, 12 personnel for the Raiders.
33:1232.3% weeks one through three. And a lot of that, you know, you've got two weeks without Brock Bowers.
33:18In week four, that 12 personnel usage jumped up to 58%.
33:21So maybe they feel a lot more confident. Hey, Brock can do it.
33:25Mayer is good in this kind of traditional tight end role.
33:29He's a very good player as well. But it might be a byproduct of them not feeling confident in their wide receiver core.
33:36And the, in the under, the, the, the hidden sort of usage inside of this offense is Ashton Gentry.
33:42The fact that he's at 24 targets, right? So Bauer's going to get his, Gentry's going to get his.
33:48And then you've got Mayer kind of battling it out with, with Trey Tucker.
33:52And it feels like Kirk Cousins. And if we just go back to when Cousins was, was dealing, like he throws to the tight end.
34:00Cousins is, Cousins is trying to get that ball out quick.
34:04Cousins ain't trying to hold the ball and run around and do all of these things.
34:09So can it sustain? I do think that this week will be a really good test, a really good test on the road against New England.
34:17I don't know if Christian Gonzalez is going to play or not.
34:20And that would have been a really good battle to see him versus Brock Bowers if they would actually line him up against Bowers.
34:28Which, I'd say maybe. They're not doing a lot on the ground.
34:32They can't really run the ball. So it feels like they've got to throw the football right now.
34:37And you've got a good offensive play caller in Kubiak.
34:40If I had to bet on it right now, Matt, I would give more credit to them being able to sustain some level of this versus not.
34:49Because they just don't have the receiver to go out there and deploy in that way.
34:54Yeah, they really don't. And, I mean, it was a good game plan against Steve Spagnuolo, too, to attack, get some of the DBs off the field.
35:02I haven't looked at the exact percentage of what was dime and nickel and base defense and everything.
35:08But, you know, get some of the linebackers on the field, split some of those safety looks with the linebackers in this past week's game.
35:16Yeah, if you have a shutdown corner in Christian Gonzalez, can you park him on Brock Bowers all day?
35:22That's easier said than done. Especially if all of a sudden, you know, Clint Kubiak says, okay, in this game, Brock Bowers
35:29is going to be an inline tight end. Because he can do that stuff, too.
35:33You're right. Like two inline guys. And that makes it almost impossible then without just completely destroying your defensive rules to have
35:40a guy like Christian Gonzalez on that player. So a couple other interesting notes about Brock Bowers before we move on here.
35:47He's run an in route, like a dig route, on 19% of his route so far.
35:52This is, by the way, not going to help my argument that he's a tight end and not a wide receiver.
35:59So I'm going to do it anyways, though, because, you know, I'm a man of the people.
36:0419% in route rate so far. That is compared to guys who have actually been on the football field a lot.
36:10You know, Terrence Ferguson, 45 routes, 13% in route rate.
36:14Colson Loveland, 13%. George Kittle, about 13%. Michael Mayer, by the way, is at 12.6%.
36:18So there are some similarities there. But you look at the average depth of route.
36:23We talked about this stat last week. The Dawson Knox, the second tight end for the Buffalo Bills, 57 routes.
36:29So a little bit of a small sample size.
36:32He leads the NFL there. Then it's Harold Fannin, 9.9.
36:35According to fantasy points data, Jake Ferguson, 9.4. Mike Gusecki, who's an actual fake tight end at 9.0.
36:41And then it's Brock Bowers at 8.5. So he is running some real deal downfield routes.
36:46It's because he's such a unicorn that they are able to pull this off.
36:50But yeah, the Gentry receiving usage. I wanted to just come back to that one before we move on here, Ray.
36:57What do you think Gentry looks like to you?
36:59To me, he still looks like he's just not all the way back back from that ankle injury just yet.
37:06But his receiving usage is saving him. Yeah, he's not all the way back.
37:10I thought he had some really good runs last Sunday.
37:13That outcut where he got down the field for, I don't know how many yards it was, 20-something yards.
37:19It felt like an eternity because he's had no space.
37:22But no, he doesn't look 100%. But he's there for the dump-offs for Kirk Cousins.
37:27They're using him a little bit down the field in his receiving usage.
37:31And when I'm looking at the Trinity for running backs and which ones are the best right now, he's got the second
37:38highest usage score of all running backs in the NFL right now.
37:42So he does not look 100%. No rushing touchdowns for Gentry this year, which is a little disappointing.
37:47But if you want to look at this glass half full, I mean, he's still getting a ton of touches.
37:54He's the primary receiving back. So if he can get healthy, watch out down the stretch for Las Vegas.
37:59Can we show that Ted Wynn tweet one more time here?
38:03Raiders giving Mike Washington more carries and using Gentry as a passing down back.
38:07Gentry just doesn't look healthy, so this approach makes sense.
38:10Washington is not good in passing situations. It's a great point by Ted.
38:14This is why I kind of said that to me, it's Mike Washington is the poor man's Kenneth Walker in this situation if we're doing the Seattle backfield.
38:23And Ashton Gentry is kind of the souped-up Zach Charbonnet.
38:26You know, he's the useful, like, pass blocker, dump-off receiver right now.
38:30But he's actually been getting some real explosive stuff in the past game, which is, I suppose, a little more Kenneth Walker-esque there.
38:37But this is going to dovetail us right into my second data point.
38:41I looked at team rushing efficiency versus fantasy production for running backs through their first four weeks to try to kind of identify some outliers here.
38:49So this is on running back runs only. For rushing efficiency, I combined their rank and explosive run percentage, EPA per rush,
38:56and success rate to look at these. And some interesting outliers emerge in terms of guys that are playing in these environments
39:03that have been pretty efficient from a rush perspective, but not as much from the fantasy standpoint.
39:09The biggest outlier is the Pittsburgh Steelers, who from – they have a 17-point gap.
39:13They're 10th in rushing efficiency, but 19th in overall the average of their rushing efficiency ranks.
39:18So, excuse me, their fantasy point totals. They're 27th, excuse me, the correct number there.
39:2327th in total running back fantasy points, but they're 10th in terms of rushing efficiency here.
39:28So, Ray, we've talked about this last week. Jalen Warren, as long as he continues to be the feature back there, I
39:35think is still an undervalued fantasy asset. Yeah, and can we just talk ball right now?
39:40He looked good. I'm looking at him run. Jalen Warren versus Cleveland, he looked really good.
39:45If he had not hit that landmine the week before, he had had a long touchdown to add to this total.
39:51And they don't really have – with Rico Dattel being out, that absolutely helps him.
39:56There were a couple of plays inside of that game, Matt, that I'm watching.
40:00Aaron Rodgers, there was a play where there was pressure barreling down on him.
40:05And Warren steps up there and gives him time to throw the ball.
40:09It wasn't complete down the field, but that level of confidence and trust that he can – he will put his nose
40:16in there to attack one of those blitzing linebackers, how good he's been on the ground.
40:21We just need – we just need him to get in the end zone.
40:25But I am – he is one of the ones where you don't – you don't really like Pittsburgh's offense.
40:31It's not fun. It's not sexy. But this should be a locked and loaded RB on your roster, whether you're putting him
40:38in your RB2 spot, you're putting him in your flex spot.
40:42Jalen Warren is absolutely in play every single week.
40:44And I do want to give a little credit to Aaron Rodgers who looked good the past two weeks.
40:50When you look at his numbers the past two weeks versus Cleveland and Cincinnati, you're like, okay, this is passable right here.
40:57So Jalen Warren definitely – and you see right here, 97%.
41:01They bring Travis Homer in last week for like two carries just to give him a break.
41:06But it's all Jalen Warren. Like you can't ask for anything more.
41:10I like this call out and bringing this up because he's been really good on the field.
41:15Yeah, he's my 10th ranked running back going into week five.
41:19As long as there's no Rico Dowdle, we'll see when Dowdle comes back.
41:23Mike McCarthy said continue to be a committee approach for as long as we can ride this ride.
41:28And then maybe it's a sell-high situation with Warren.
41:31But the rushing environment has been good. Again, from an efficiency standpoint in the average of the rankings, they're 10th, whereas they're
41:3827th in the total points for running backs right now.
41:41So this week against the Colts, it's a good week for him to get involved as a receiver, especially because when the
41:48Colts play all that man coverage, they leave a linebacker on Jalen Warren.
41:52I could see him having some big plays as a receiver.
41:55A couple other ones to call out here too where from a fantasy point perspective, there's a pretty decent gap between them
42:02and where they rank from an efficiency standpoint. Again, if we can show the graph here, like the Titans are in that
42:09quadrant, but I mean they're 17th in rushing efficiency.
42:12Are you really that excited there? See, if that's a situation, if it can consolidate to one guy like it has in
42:19Pittsburgh, maybe then it could be interesting. But when it's split two ways between Pollard and Spears and they get Singleton involved
42:26there now and again, that's going to be a pass.
42:29The Packers, they've started to split that up. So you need that to consolidate.
42:3332nd in fantasy points, 22nd in efficiency. Big whoop there.
42:36The Broncos actually have a pretty decent gap. I know we're talking to Broncos back in one of your sections on the other side of the break.
42:45The Eagles are kind of interesting because they're 19th in running back rush efficiency, but is that going to be the Will Shipley thing?
42:52Two other positive call outs. Rams, Bills, great environments.
42:55Actually, their fantasy points are even lagging a little bit behind that.
42:59Continue to stash the backups on those teams. Blake Corham is a pure backup to Kyron Williams, but continue to stash him,
43:06even maybe as a fill-in trade type candidate. And then maybe some, Basial Tootin, by the way, another guy.
43:12The Jags are really high here from a rush efficiency perspective and from a point standpoint.
43:17But again, fourth in efficiency, seventh in points. There's still more to go for Basial Tootin.
43:22And then real quickly on the other end, just some running backs who are maybe on the negative side.
43:28Cam Scott with the Giants. Chase Brown with the Bengals.
43:31Not a lot of points. Not a lot of efficiency.
43:34And then Ashton Gentry as well. We just talked about him.
43:37But any concern for some of those guys down there?
43:40Yeah, and I kind of don't get this Scadaboo thing because one of his calling cards coming out of college was how
43:47good, I believe, in his class he was the most efficient receiving running back in his class.
43:53It wasn't Ashton Gentry. I'll tell you that right now.
43:56Coming out of Boise State, it was Cam Scadaboo.
43:59And the fact that they don't use him in the receiving game, I don't know if that's a Winston thing.
44:05I don't know if it's a Matt Nagy offensive thing.
44:08But that's a little disappointing because if we could depend on Cam to get his, let's just be conservative.
44:1414 to 16 touches a game. And then you could pencil in.
44:18And I'm not even going crazy, Matt. Five, six targets for Scadaboo.
44:21Like get him more involved in the receiving game.
44:24I think we'd all feel a lot better about Cam Scadaboo.
44:28So that's a little disappointing there. Chase Brown, I mean, the receiving is really saving him.
44:33He has not been good on the ground as a rusher.
44:36And I do want to just call out because I still don't think the market has really arrived on Tootin because of
44:43some, especially last week, had a couple of plays called back.
44:46But if I could get him, if I could move David Montgomery, a Travion Henderson, like we can go on and on to get him.
44:54Like this is your quintessential just end of season league winning type running back because all the other stuff is there.
45:01The defense is good. The offense is good. We're not worried about anybody else.
45:05Like I want Tootin. I want Basil Tootin, Matt.
45:08Yeah, it's a great call out. I'm with you there.
45:11It's only going to get better for him. The fact that the defense is so good, the fact that he's consolidating the work.
45:18That's what we love to see. Yeah, for Scadaboo, they're 32nd in rushing efficiency so far.
45:23Like they have not been a good run game as the New York Giants.
45:28And Jameis Winston is not providing any sort of resistance there as well in the past game.
45:33So we'll see how that goes. Real quick, just on Chase Brown.
45:37The Bengals, they've given up on their little offseason project of like, oh, hey, we're going to be more of a run team.
45:44We're going to get under center. They're first and pass rate over expected.
45:48They're dead last and under center. So it's going to have to be the receiving.
45:53It's going to have to be that way for Chase Brown.
45:56Run out of the gun. Figure it out. We'll see how it goes for Chase Brown.
46:01But definitely that does take away some of the upside case for a player who went in the second round in most fantasy drafts.
46:08Okay, we're going to take a quick break. We're going to talk about one of those running backs I mentioned for the Denver Broncos.
46:16We'll get into that right after this. All right, we're back.
46:19Ray, I mentioned the Denver Broncos on the other side here in terms of there's a decent gap between their fantasy points and their rushing efficiency.
46:28Not that they've been a good running team. However, they have been scoring some points because a certain running back of theirs
46:34has been pretty involved in a different phase. That's the guy you're going to talk about for your third data point.
46:41Yeah, if I were going to tell you that this running back was only going to have 12 carries through the first
46:48four games, you'd be like, no, thank you. But RJ Harvey, we're right back to the running back receiving cheat code.
46:54He is the NFL's most frequently targeted route runner, and he's only got 12 carries.
46:5921 targets on 50 routes, 42%. Highest amongst 250 qualified NFL pass catchers, minimum 26 routes.
47:04Zay Flowers is next at 40%. 10 targets last week on 19 routes.
47:08It's about 53% more than half of his routes.
47:11Ended with a ball thrown his way, and he got you 10 targets, 68 yards.
47:16Only seven carries for 25 yards, but still 19.3 PPR points without a touchdown.
47:20Bo Nix, 33% of his week four, 33% week four check down rate, led all qualifying quarterbacks.
47:25His full season rate, 19%, which is third highest in the NFL.
47:29And on top of that, Bo Nix's scramble rate is down this year to around 2%.
47:34The past two seasons, he was hovering around 7%.
47:37Denver leads the NFL in RB target share at 28%, and RB targets with 35.
47:42We saw that rise to about 37% in week four.
47:45So again, kind of piggybacking on Kyron Williams last week.
47:48Like, R.J. Harvey, 12 damn rush attempts, not much.
47:51He's not going to give you anything on the ground.
47:54But this is, and what I want from you, Matt, I know you'll comment on Harvey.
47:59Like, I think this is what's hurting some of the pass catchers as well, is the fact that so much of Denver's offense is going to R.J.
48:07Harvey instead of those targets flowing to a Waddle, to a Cortland Sutton, to a Pat Bryant.
48:13Like, you're really hoping that, you know, Harvey's not getting it, but the fact that he is drawing so much opportunity on a per-route basis.
48:20I track usage. I track Trinity. Right now, when you're looking at running backs across the league, there are only a handful better than him.
48:28It's Gibbs, it's Kyron Williams, it's Chase Brown, and it's R.J.
48:32Harvey while only having his dead last in air yards.
48:35Negative 12.3% air yard share, but it doesn't matter because he's just getting so much opportunity.
48:40Yeah. Man, it's disgusting football going on in Denver.
48:43You're completely right about that this is why these pass catchers aren't popping off right now.
48:48And it's been all over the timeline. People have been noticing this too.
48:52I think some Broncos fans and people who cover the team posting clips of these concepts are coming open.
48:58You know, they're running a ton of dagger, what's supposed to be these big in-cuts over the middle of the field where you clear it out.
49:06One guy clears it out and one guy runs an in-cut under it.
49:10And Bo Nix is not throwing it, just taking the check down.
49:13It's crazy stuff. This stat from Kyle Posey. Bo Nix had 42 attempts in, he said today, this was the game week four.
49:21His average up to target was 5.3, three yards worse than the NFL average.
49:25He was 5 of 13 against the Blitz for 32 yards, 2 for 10 on passes beyond 10 air yards.
49:31So obviously one of those was a waddle drop, but for the most part, it's just not even trying to push it
49:38down the field, not pushing it over the middle.
49:41And the lack of scrambling too, I think maybe it's concerning that he's had all these ankle injuries over the course of his career.
49:48That's a lot of surgeries there. That's definitely an issue at this point.
49:53So now RJ Harvey could be the fantasy beneficiary of that, and that has definitely happened so far with all the check downs, the targets.
50:00Ray, do you think there's any rushing upside here coming though for Harvey?
50:04Because like J.K. Dobbins at this point, that's not happening.
50:08If he could consolidate any of that work as a rusher, there's a path for him to be a Jalen Warren type.
50:14I just don't know if Harvey has the goods as a rusher.
50:18What do you think? Yeah, I want to say sure, Matt.
50:22I do. I want to say sure, but I think we've seen exactly how Sean Payton wants to deploy him.
50:28And if you go back to the way that he's used running backs in the past, like he's got a guy that's
50:35going to run the ball, and he's got one that's going to catch the ball.
50:39And I think what ends up happening is once Jonah Coleman is back, like that's him and J.K.
50:45Dobbins are going to split between the 20s rush attempts and running it up the A-gap.
50:50Harvey will get a few, but it's been pretty clear through a month through the season how they want to deploy Harvey.
50:57And it is through the air. It's Bo Nix not scrambling.
51:00It's checking the ball down. Now you've got a defense who's going to be down both their starting corners in Riley Moss and Patrick Sertan.
51:08So you're hoping that Nix can volume his way, but negative 12% air yard share for R.J.
51:13Harvey. It's all behind the line of scrimmage. Like we talk so much about the PPR scam and those slot receivers getting
51:20– now it's like the PPR running back scam because – Oh, yeah.
51:24You're seeing it happen now. And I want to say yes, but the logical takeaway is R.J.
51:30Harvey, this is his role. He is going to be a receiving running back who gets a few touches out of the backfield.
51:37And you're hoping that you can just survive and live off of that because he's not even scoring touchdowns right now.
51:43Yeah, they play the Chargers this week due to the Denver Broncos.
51:47They are eighth in terms of too high percentage.
51:50They'll give you some stuff when you play cover one, but for a single high safety.
51:55So that middle of the field, if you're going to do too high, that middle of the field is going to be open.
52:02Bo Nix, throw the passes. Let's see it. Okay?
52:05Because, yeah, this R.J. Harvey stuff, it's great, but it's not leading to a good offense.
52:10That is for sure. So interested to see if there's anything more there for Harvey to get.
52:15I'll tell you where there is going to be a lot of passing, Ray Garvin, theoretically.
52:20That is the Detroit Lions traveling to Arizona to take on the Cardinals.
52:24This looks like a pure print fest for both of these passing games.
52:28The Lions allow the most fantasy points to quarterbacks on the season, and they rank ninth in pass rate over expected.
52:35The Cardinals, meanwhile, have allowed the fifth most fantasy points to quarterbacks, and they, as an offense, rank 12th in pass rate over expected.
52:43So two teams that want to throw the ball, two defenses that are more than happy to let you throw all over them.
52:50Probably not more than happy about it, but they're certainly not doing anything to stop you on the other side here.
52:56So I think we know, okay, Lions, St. Brown, of course, probably another good week to chase a Jamison Williams ceiling.
53:03Sam Laporta, Jared Goff, yes, yes, yes, those guys are in your line.
53:07Maybe even Isaac Tesla can get a couple of nice plays down the football field.
53:12We'll see. On the Cardinals side of it, Michael Wilson, 30 targets over the last two weeks combined.
53:17He has been eating from a volume standpoint. Trey McBride, the Lions allow the most fantasy points to tight ends so far this year.
53:25Obviously, Trey McBride is going to be awesome. If Jacoby Brissett has time, because one thing to notice at Paris Johnson, biceps
53:32tear, he's out for the rest of the season.
53:34That's certainly not good for this offense. That's a big variable here.
53:38But if he has time, he could be a viable quarterback streamer.
53:42So I ask you all this, Ray Garvin, the name I haven't mentioned yet.
53:46Do you have the fortitude, the wherewithal to start Marvin Harrison Jr.
53:50as a wide receiver three, rank him as a wide receiver three against a Lions team that they have the 10th most
53:57in terms of single high percentage, according to fantasy points data.
54:00Maybe there's a one or two shot plays. We have seen when it's a single high look.
54:06Jacoby Brissett, maybe it's not always a good ball, but he will at least give Marv a chance.
54:11Do you have the fortitude to rank Marvin Harrison Jr.
54:14as a wide receiver three this week? The answer is no, I do not.
54:19I do not. I just flat out, I don't.
54:22At the start of the game last week, it felt like, okay.
54:25I think it was their first series. He scored their first touchdown, right?
54:29He opened the game with the touchdown, and you're like, okay, Marvy.
54:33I mean, he hits everybody with the, shh, be quiet, I hear you talking.
54:38And you know what? That's what happened for him the rest of the game was, shh, be quiet because you're not involved.
54:44No. Even against this Lions team, I'm looking at this usage right now.
54:48Marvin Harrison Jr.'s Trinity score, 4.64, below league average at this point of 5.13.
54:53Team target share, 8.1%, below league average of 12.2 for the wide receiver position.
54:57Area yard share is fine. League average, 18.3. He's at 21.6.
55:01He is still just, I don't get it. I don't understand.
55:04I don't know why, but he is just not a part of this offense.
55:08Like, it should, if there were going to be a week where you're like, this is my last, my last ride on the Metro Card Marv Express.
55:17This is it. It would be this week. Like, this would be the week, but I can, if we said, if we
55:24had the time, Matt, I could name 36 receivers I'd rather start over Marvin Harrison Jr.
55:29I, 1,000% could name 36 of them that I'd rather start over Marv.
55:33So, I like this for McBride. I love it for Michael Wilson.
55:37I like it for Jeremiah Love. I'm just done.
55:39I'm just done on this experience and the comments that continue to come out.
55:44Well, Michael Wilson got paid a lot. He's not arguing about his two targets, his two receptions.
55:49And we've got Trey McBride. I just... Game 30 right after.
55:53Yeah. Yeah. I want to, Matt, but I just, I can't make sense of it.
55:57And I don't know if you can. I don't know if you've seen anything from a charting perspective.
56:03I just look at the usage. But the usage says find somebody else.
56:07I've got 30, at least 34 receivers ahead of Marvin Harrison, which is, that's less than the two weeks prior.
56:13You know? It was about 40 or so. So, you know, I think what you're, to your point there, just never going
56:20to be a consistent guy in this offense with the way he's being used as that vertical X receiver.
56:26He had two catchable targets all day. I mean, the one that, um, the one that Jacoby Reset threw up to him,
56:33like deep downfield where he threw an interception, complete lollipop.
56:36And, you know, Jacoby Reset's definitely turning down some open throws to Marv, but I also think he's gotten off to the
56:43slowest start of his career from an individual perspective as Marvin Harrison.
56:47But if there was ever going to be a week, this is the week.
56:51So, um, look, there are buys this week, two teams on buy.
56:55I don't know if anybody was starting Xavier Worthy, but you were starting Rasheed Rice, his chiefs receiver, he's on the buy this week.
57:02Tadaro McMillan's on the buy this week. Jalen Coker's on the buy this week.
57:07I've heard of worse ideas than chasing another touchdown for Marvin Harrison Jr.
57:11I'll just leave it at that. But either way, definitely a big time fantasy performance coming for a lot of guys, maybe
57:17not Marv, but a lot of guys in this matchup, a lot of passing coming here for this particular game.
57:24Okay, Ray, let's get to some young wide receivers who maybe aren't disappointing right now.
57:28Boston, these two rookies own the NFL's biggest shares of downfield opportunity.
57:32Week four, Carnell Tate, a whopping, depending on the data service you look at, 72 to 73%, 70 plus percent of Tennessee's air yards.
57:40Unreal. Denzel Boston, 63% of Cleveland's air yards. First and second amongst qualifying wide receivers.
57:44CeeDee Lamb was third with 58.7%. Carnell Tate, he owns 52.4% of Tennessee's air yards this season.
57:50And Denzel Boston, 51% of Cleveland's ranking second and third amongst qualifying wide receivers in the entire NFL in week four.
57:56Now, we're not looking at Cleveland or Tennessee saying these are great offensive environments because we know that they're not.
58:02But if you're going to get that much downfield work, if you're going to command, Matt, 70% is absurd.
58:08Like, I had to look this up a couple of times because, oh, is this right?
58:13Like, is something wrong here? This is ridiculous. If you're going to get 50 plus percent of your team's air yards, it
58:20doesn't matter if it's Carnell Tate, Deshaun Watson, whomever throwing the ball, you're probably in a good position to get some isolated one-on-one looks.
58:28And as long as you can convert and we think these are good receivers, you're going to score some points.
58:34So I'll just say I like the direction that these two rookies are going in.
58:39Casey Concepcion is still really good. Wondell Robinson is fine.
58:42But I just wanted to highlight this because in a class of disappointing rookies, these two are kind of shining a little
58:49bit despite the situations and the cards they've been dealt with their quarterbacks.
58:53Yeah, no question. These two guys have looked good.
58:56Boston's put it in the box score. Tate finally had his big game last week.
59:00Could have been even bigger. He dropped at least one pass.
59:04Cam Ward still, it's not a good watch with the Titans offense.
59:07Okay, there is that. But Carnell Tate has definitely looked really good to me.
59:12I've charted a couple of his games here. He wins on these breaking routes, as we're showing here on the screen.
59:18Some corners, some in cuts, some post routes, some crossers.
59:22He's looked nice. He's looked the part so far.
59:24Just overall efficiency has been targeted on 26% of his routes.
59:28He's averaging 2.16 yards per route run in a gross offense.
59:31We'll take it. Like I said, he's dropped about three or so passes, depending on how you want to chart it over the course of the season.
59:40So he hasn't even had a touchdown yet. There's more coming for Carnell Tate.
59:44Now, I do wish he wasn't playing the Houston Texans this week, because if you're thinking about the way that you're going
59:51to attack this Texans defense, you're going to get them on the move.
59:55You're going to get their linebackers in coverage. The safety is the whole deal.
59:59So to that point, though, Calvin Ridley and Alec Iomannor have kind of been more of the sacrificial exes than Carnell Tate.
60:06In the games I've charted for Tate, he's been off the ball on 38% of his snaps.
60:12You know, they'll get him in motion. They'll get him free releases.
60:15So hopefully they can do a little bit of what CeeDee Lamb got for the Dallas Cowboys.
60:21And hopefully it's not OK. This is how we spam Wanda Robinson this week.
60:25But that always makes me nervous with the Tennessee Titans coaching staff, because I don't think a lot of good stuff's going on from a scheme perspective there.
60:34No, and that's the thing. The scheme is not great.
60:37I don't think that the overall offense is great.
60:40And I agree with you. I don't believe Cam Ward has been good either.
60:44But when you just look at the usage inside of this offense, it's one of the things that I track.
60:50The usage is great for Carnell Tate. So it's one of those things he feels like what Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave
60:57and Drake London were for the first couple of years of their career, where the counting numbers were good.
61:03The usage was good, but the production was lagging because of the quarterback play.
61:07And then once they figured that out, now you're talking about Olave and London and Garrett Wilson being some of those top receivers in the NFL.
61:16So just following the usage, his target volume has increased every week of the season.
61:20And when you track that and follow it enough, like that, you just, that happens, right?
61:25If you keep getting thrown the ball nine, 10 times a game, you'll have a week or two where you end up producing.
61:32So just really wanted to shout out both Denzel Boston and Carnell Tate, who by far, when you're looking at the usage
61:39for rookie receivers, the best two in the class and some of the underlying metrics, including the area yard share, not just
61:46best in the class, best in the NFL. So would you start Carnell Tate or one of the Bears guys, Odunze, Luther Burden in week five?
61:54It's a tough one, right? I'm looking at my rankings right now.
61:58Yeah, I like Rome. I think I'm still a big Rome guy.
62:02I'm probably going with the better situation with Rome and Burden or Odunze.
62:06Yeah, Burden and Odunze. I'd start Carnell Tate over Marv in a heartbeat.
62:10I'll tell you that. Him and Denzel Boston. Him and Denzel are starting over Marv.
62:15Oh, yeah, for sure. I actually have Boston ranked higher than both of all those guys this week because, you know, Odunze
62:22had the game last week over 90 yards, one of his best games in a while against that jet defense that you can get on the outside.
62:30And a lot of them is like quick out routes in routes from the boundary.
62:35And that's the routes that Denzel Boston has been running really well at this point.
62:39I think Boston looks great. Could be a good Casey Concepcion game.
62:43He's played well, but like he's running a lot of the routes in the intermediate middle of the field where Boston's been the boundary guy.
62:51And that's just where Watson is seeing it better at this point.
62:55So I think that connection, that chemistry is worth chasing here this week.
62:59So I actually like both of those guys, Boston and Tate and as wide receiver starters this week.
63:04I just think Carnell Tate kind of a wide receiver three and then Boston, I think is a certified wide receiver two this week.
63:12The guy's a baller, man. He's a really, really good player.
63:15No question about that. Okay. Speaking of wide receiver efficiency, that is for my fourth data point here.
63:21Pull up the chart on this one. I posted it on Twitter today.
63:25Wide receivers who have gained a first down on more than 11% of their yards.
63:30I assume 11% of their routes so far this season among guys who've run a route on over 50% of their team drop back.
63:37So they've been out there for more than 50% of the routes.
63:41These are the guys. JSN, CD lamb, Mike Evans, Drake, London, T Higgins, Chris Olave, DJ Moore, Debo Samuel, Lad McConkie, Garrett
63:48Wilson, Keon Coleman, Kalief Raymond, Jacoby Myers. I'll just give you some quick takes here.
63:52JSN, CD lamb. They're off to elite starts. They're two of the best receivers in the NFL.
63:58London and Olave have been, I think, all pro worthy.
64:01Those guys have been just fantastic this season. Please stay healthy.
64:04Mike Evans, T Higgins, right? When these guys are out there, we know they're really good.
64:09They can be metronomes of their offense. DJ Moore and Lad McConkie have been exactly what their new offenses have needed, but
64:16they have only run a route on 52 and 59% of the drop backs respectively.
64:21That's just been a bummer. The efficiency has been there for both those guys.
64:25They've made plays when available. They're just not available.
64:28And then Keon Coleman, Kalief Raymond, Jacoby Myers, and Debo Samuel have all been really quality role players so far.
64:34So these are the guys who have been the most efficient with their opportunities while being on the field for at least 50% of the routes.
64:42Anybody grab you here from this list, Ray? Am I allowed to say Keon Coleman?
64:47I'm just the old eye test. The old eye test.
64:50He looked as good as I've ever seen him play last week.
64:54And I get it. That's a one-week sample size where nobody started him.
64:58Nobody in the world started him. But DJ Moore, banged up, shoulder injury, probably play like he always does.
65:04But this is a guy where, you know, if you're banking on that Josh Allen and this Buffalo offense, like I am intrigued by Keon Coleman.
65:12I'm not ready to proclaim him to be some next level breakout star.
65:16But just watching him play football last week, he played really good.
65:20And I want to give him his credit for playing really good last week.
65:24The usage when I'm looking at Trinity, very good for Keon Coleman last week.
65:29So, you know, obviously JSN and those guys. But yeah, I'm 7.26 above league average usage.
65:34Everything. Air yard share, 35%. Target share, 22.6%. 33.2% of the overall offensive production for the Buffalo Bills last week.
65:40That was better than Chris Olave, Malik Neighbors, Amon Ross St.
65:43Brown in a one-week sample size, DK Metcalf, Romo Dunze.
65:47So, I like to see him on this list, right?
65:50I like seeing him on this list. And it's something that I don't know if I have the stones to start him this week.
65:57But he's definitely, I'm watching. I'm noticing Keon Coleman and want to see him continue to push forward.
66:03Yeah, I talked about this with Boone yesterday. The usage for Keon from a pre-snap deployment perspective is different.
66:09He is no longer out there as the X receiver on every single snap.
66:13And this is what he needed. This is what he needed to be a good player.
66:18He needed to be moved around. He's off the ball more.
66:22He's even used kind of tight to the core at times.
66:25You know, Brock Bowers-ish. Can we say he's getting some Brock Bowers usage?
66:29Is Keon Coleman. That's exactly what we wanted to see.
66:32He shouldn't have just been this vertical X receiver.
66:35However, his route tree has really changed here. His go-route percentage went from 28% in year one, 21% in year two.
66:42It's down to 14% so far this year. He's running a lot more of the out routes, which I think he has looked good on.
66:49He had a really good play on an out or a corner route against the Patriots this past week.
66:55And it's showing up in the efficiency data. I mentioned 11% first downs per route.
67:00He was at 6.8% and 8.3% in his first two years.
67:031.3 yards per route in 2025. He's at 2.4 so far this season.
67:07So definitely, definitely a change for Keon. And that makes him somebody we consider, we can consider if DJ Moore misses this week.
67:15Okay, I mentioned that Ladd McConkie has kind of been what he was supposed to be when he's been on the field.
67:22He hasn't been on the field yet, which is a huge bummer for the Chargers.
67:26But Ray, for your fifth and final data point, you got a Chargers note for us as well.
67:32Yeah, this is, let me just say that the Chargers are doubling down on a bad rushing attack.
67:37Okay? They run 52% of neutral scripted plays, sixth highest, despite ranking 28th in rushing EPA per play.
67:43Their preferred approach produces bottom five efficiency. They pass almost nine percentage points less often than expected.
67:48The NFL's second most run-heavy tendency after adjusting for game situations, only Atlanta is lower.
67:53That tendency intensified. Negative 7.1 pass rate over expected in weeks one through three became negative 13.1 in week four, a further six-point percentage shift towards the run.
68:02Check this out, Matt. They take 35.3 seconds between neutral situation snaps.
68:06The league's fifth slowest pace. So you're talking about infrequent passing is compounded by slow tempo.
68:11The complete offense ranks 31st in EPA per play, negative 0.123.
68:14Passing efficiency is also poor, 24th in the NFL.
68:17So you're talking about a team that's slow. They can't run.
68:20But you know what? We'll just keep doing it.
68:23It doesn't matter. I am the offensive genius that is Mike McDaniel.
68:27And it doesn't matter. We'll keep running it. It would be okay if they gave it all to Omarion Hampton.
68:33But I'm almost positive the head coach came out this week and said, it's best for our team to use three running backs.
68:40We talk about the Eagles and how disappointing that offense has been.
68:44We're going to talk about it all year. I can't tell you how this one is probably the most disappointing of all.
68:51The Chargers. And they just keep running and running and running despite the fact that they can't run.
68:56They can't run. And they just keep doing it every single week.
69:00I don't get it. I don't get it, Matt.
69:03Yeah. The three running backs split just reeks of, I don't know, got to try something else.
69:08Throw something at the wall. See what sticks. You know?
69:11And maybe it is Keaton Mitchell. I don't know.
69:14Maybe he'll give them a spark. But they need something.
69:17And you know who else doesn't seem to know?
69:20Jim Harbaugh does not seem to know. Have you seen these, like the press conferences with Harbaugh at this point?
69:26He's fighting with, not even fighting, just talking to the reporter.
69:30Like that sounds more like an insult than a question.
69:33When asked about Justin Herbert and the hits he's been taking, his just got that thousand yard stare at the press conferences.
69:40I've been talking about it. Like he doesn't have any answers.
69:43This whole coaching staff just looks like they're pre-fired.
69:46It's completely over. It looks like it doesn't. It's just a matter of, yeah.
69:51Yeah. Remember coming into week one when there was the headline, I think it was Ian Rapport had this, that Mike McDaniel
69:57is now going to be able to really fully open.
70:01Like he's going to be able to run concepts he never could have dreamed of because Justin Herbert is his quarterback now.
70:07Oh, they're going to change Herbert's footwork. Where is any of that?
70:11Where is any of that? All I'm thinking about is like, Hey, Mike, maybe Justin Herbert should have been gallivanting all over
70:18Europe with his, with his girlfriend and if it's fiance now in the off season, maybe should have been a practice.
70:25Jim Harbaugh. I was like, no big deal. Herbert's a warrior.
70:28He's a human, he's a human cyborg warrior. So it's like, Oh my God, enough, like enough with the platitudes.
70:34Show me something on the field. We got nothing with this team.
70:38Yeah. Fantasy takeaway. Like, yeah. What Q, who was QJ compared to?
70:42Who did, who did Mike McDaniel say QJ reminded his, Julio Jones under his, remember when his drive step was going to F up the league.
70:50It's like all of the, all of the headlines are so brutal.
70:54Just. I say all this to say, and I think that the, the tweet was on the screen, the routes and the, the snap percentage.
71:01It's a nightmare. Like if you've got Hampton, you're, he fell in, he got in the end zone this week.
71:08So you're happy about that. This is concerning. I don't know what the recommended advice is.
71:13Joe alt was banged up in the game. I don't know if he's going to miss time now.
71:18It's just not good for anybody. It's not good for lad.
71:22It's not good for Hampton. It's not good for Herbert.
71:25Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason they're in the coping corner on our panic meter.
71:29I don't know for the column. Do you have a coping corner?
71:33Cause I know you write the panic meter. I talked about, yeah, I put, I put, I didn't put, I put him total panic.
71:41So I just, I'm saving the coping corner. Cause I know y'all did it, but I put them in total panic for Justin Herbert in this offense.
71:49And that, that piece came out earlier today. So I'm right in line with you all.
71:54And it's just disappointing. Again, Hampton was drafted high.
71:57Herbert was drafted high. Lad McConkie there. You wanted him to be your locked and loaded wide receiver too, with wide receiver one type upside.
72:05And it has nothing to do with the skillset of lad.
72:08It just looking at they're slow. They want to keep slamming the ball up the middle.
72:13It's just, it's tough all the way around for, for the chargers as an offensive unit.
72:18Tough. A few things here. One, I guess I just outed myself for not reading again in 2026.
72:24When I asked you if, you know, you have the coping corner in the column and you're like, Hey, yeah, it's a, it's coming here.
72:31So, you know, that's on me. It's okay. It came out early.
72:35It's my bad. Came out earlier today. It came out early.
72:39Okay. Yeah. I've been busy. I'm going to get, I'm going to read it.
72:43I'm going to read it later. Cause I am reading again in 2026.
72:47I'm reading some books. Okay. I'm reading some articles.
72:50You know, it's, it is what it is. Not just reading tweets.
72:54That's for sure. One last thing. I usually hate the if man meme.
72:58We showed that meme earlier. The, the, the, the if man thing, this is the first year it's, it's really applicable for Justin Herbert.
73:05Like maybe if he had been at practice in the off season, and maybe if Mike McDaniel, you know, and Jim Harbaugh
73:12had some answers, maybe we could have had something if it had all happened for the chargers.
73:17This is the first year we can do the if man thing with Justin Herbert.
73:22Okay, here we are. All right. Let me give you a one last quick one before we have to go to break
73:29and talk through, uh, our league on the other side of the break here.
73:33Uh, Brent strange. We might have a quiet little breakout for Brenton strange here as a fantasy tight end.
73:39His route participation is kicked up every single week.
73:4264%, 81%, 84%, 85%. He had five targets in weeks one and two combined 13 each of the last two weeks.
73:49Obviously he ripped up the Bengals defense cause they can't cover anybody up the spine.
73:53You know, who else has been having issues doing that?
73:56The Philadelphia Eagles issues at line. Linebacker, Jihad Campbell, not doing a lot on the field.
74:01You know, you can search on social media to see what he's been up to actually.
74:06Okay. So that's what, that's what Jihad Campbell's up to.
74:10Uh, he's not been covering anybody up the spine.
74:12Andrew McCuba, not a great season so far for him.
74:16Uh, you got Cooper, Degene, not playing so great as the nickel corner.
74:20They've had issues up the spine. Brent strange. I think if you're in desperate, a tight end, you're, you're, you're hurting a little bit.
74:27He's running around on 85% of the dropbacks. He is absolutely out there.
74:31Uh, and we've got him ranked outside the top 20 in consensus rankings on fantasy pros.
74:36I saw today. Uh, I, I moved Brent strange up closer to like tight end 14.
74:41So if you've been hurting at the position, you drafted Kyle pits and you're taking the L on that one.
74:47You're in the coping corner. Cause of Kyle pits.
74:50I think Brenton Strange is a fantasy starter this week.
74:53Yeah, this one is, I'm glad you pulled this one because I don't think most people would, would immediately sort of recognize this.
75:01You see the week. Ah, okay. Brent strange had a big game, but I'm looking at the overall team usage for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
75:08Number one in usage is Parker Washington, uh, right around 13 points per game, 6.2 Trinity score, but number two in Jacksonville, it's not a running back.
75:16It's not BTJ. It's not Jacoby Myers. It's Brent and strange 6.0 score, which is above league average.
75:22Significantly air yard share, 16.8% team target share around 18%, 10 and a half percent of the overall offensive production.
75:28He's second on the team in usage. So yeah, I mean, I don't know why people are so low, on them because
75:35outside of Parker Washington, like this is their, their next highest prioritized weapon to get the ball to in the receiving game.
75:42So really good pull here, Matt Harmon. And I am going to, as the hashtag says, trust the Trinity on this one.
75:49And I'm going to move Brent and strange up my rankings for the week against Philadelphia.
75:54This is a good pool right here. 27% rostered in Yahoo league.
75:58So waivers run tonight. Maybe go check out some Brent and strange.
76:01If you're hurting at the tight end position. Yeah, man, good player.
76:05I think they gave him a contract extension in the off season.
76:09They like him. This is an offense where, Hey, if you're just hurting for tight ends, look for a good offense.
76:16That's going against a decent matchup here. The funnel to the middle of the field.
76:20That is pretty much been the Philadelphia Eagles so far.
76:23So you could definitely do worse than some Brent and strange.
76:27Okay. Let's take our final break of the show.
76:30We come back. We're talking through the Yahoo expert league.
76:33We'll get into that. All right, we're back and it is time.
76:36Welcome to the Yahoo fantasy expert league recap. Are we still calling it an expert league?
76:41It's hard to say because I am no longer.
76:44Yes. I'm no longer undefeated. I lost this week.
76:47And you know what? I knew I was going to lose this week because I was talking way too much trash on the show.
76:55I was having way too much fun. I had dinner with my buddy, drew him and his wife, Molina.
77:01We had dinner with them over the weekend and he even in real life, congratulated me for being three and O.
77:07And I was like, you just jinxed me pal.
77:10Cause he's seen the league on Instagram. I was like, it's over.
77:14I knew for sure I was going to lose this week.
77:17I did lose this week. I allowed Joel Smith to get off the schneid here.
77:22Got his first win. They're writing here in the copy.
77:25He, he, he, he took down Harmon without much stress wins with ease.
77:29I'm not, I'm not saying it was without much stress.
77:32I'm sure Joel was stressed about it. Yeah. He had some big games from Bryce young, Malik neighbors, Nico Collins.
77:38Okay. Um, I definitely have, I have some things to figure out here.
77:42Okay. I got some issues. I got some quarterback issues.
77:46Um, Mr. If man himself, it was my quarterback that I drafted.
77:49I gotta, I gotta get Justin Herbert off this roster.
77:52I gotta get Kyler Murray off this roster. My best player might be, um, Michael Wilson.
77:57I mean, my God, what's going on here, Ray?
78:00I mean, listen, you need it. This was just the, this one was just a little tap on the, on the backside
78:07to just calm you down a little bit. You had done a little too much talking the first month.
78:13So just bring you back to reality a little bit.
78:16But ultimately I think, you know, once you, like you didn't have a bad Josh, Josh Downs, let every, I'm not even
78:23gonna say Josh Downs, let everyone down. Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, everyone down because I mean the matchup was prime for, you know what?
78:31If Downs was going to stink, at least Tyler Warren should smash, but none of, neither of them did anything.
78:37So we blame Daniel Jones for that. And, uh, yeah, Joel, Joel had a good performance, man.
78:42You know, Nico came back. He kind of knew what was going to happen there.
78:47Gibbs didn't go off, but Nico and Malik neighbors really, really helped propel him in this one.
78:52By the way, uh, Joel, I saw offered me a trade today of Bucky Irving for Michael Wilson.
78:58So Joel, you think you're going to beat me and then try to take one of my good players.
79:04All right. Harmon couldn't beat no three team without its best player.
79:07Jalen Coker. Yeah. Okay, Joel. All right. All right.
79:10Listen, Joel's feeling himself. All right. Joel's feeling himself and you know what he should.
79:15He's got a good team. I'm not trading you, Michael Wilson for Bucky Irving.
79:19I'm not putting Bucky Irving as a total panic player on the show yesterday and then turn around and trade Michael Wilson, the goat.
79:27I don't think so. Joel. Okay. You're not going to just beat me and then raid my roster of the good players.
79:34That's not going to happen. Okay. So we're going to go ahead and decline that.
79:38Joel, you can just, you can just, you can just withdraw that trade.
79:42Don't even have me decline it. Just withdraw it and we'll keep it moving.
79:47We'll pretend it never happened. All right. Let's go on to the next matchup here.
79:51Ray. I know you don't want to talk about it, but we got to talk about it.
79:57Scott Pienowski. He does remain undefeated. The only unbeaten team.
80:00Cause I lost and we'll get to max. He also lost this week.
80:04He dropped Ray Garvin to one and three as Ray.
80:07I mean, we've got a mess here. You've got, you got, you got a mess to clean up.
80:13All right. You got, got a lot going on here.
80:16You lose again. Parker Washington, let you down. Your boy, George Pickens.
80:20You don't get points for the DPI's. Scott Pienowski's wagon continues on.
80:23Yeah. I need, I need the producers to pull up the full screen.
80:27Cause I've got, there's something disturbing going on here in this league.
80:31Now, can, can they pull up the full, the full league where you see all the scores real quick?
80:37I really need to see this and I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you know.
80:42There are three teams who failed to score triple digits.
80:45And all three of us are brothers. The, my brothers, the three black guys failed to hit triple digits.
80:51We got to do better. Collectively as a people, we got to do better.
80:55Titus. I know the NBA is back. You got to do better brother.
81:00Oh, and four. That's not going to Chris Allen.
81:02Yay. One since week one. And here I go failing to score triple digits.
81:07Okay. Listen, George Pickens. He's got to be better.
81:10Parker Washington. One point. Dalton Kincaid. One point. There's no, I don't know what to say.
81:15Right. I had the stream defense. This week. Harmon.
81:17I'm trying, man. I'm trying, dude. This is a, I don't know what to say.
81:22It's just us this week. It's just, it's just, we're together.
81:25We got, we got to do better. We got to do better.
81:29I'm going to just let that one. I'm just going to let that one fly.
81:34All right. I'm not, I'm not going to add to that.
81:37Ray said everything that needed to be said. Yeah.
81:40He's distracting from his terrible team by bringing that up.
81:43I don't know what to say. I'm going to keep it moving here.
81:47We're going to, we're going to go to the next one.
81:51We're going to go to the next matchup. Boone continues to surge.
81:55Speaking of Dan Titus, who, yeah, I guess it's NBA season.
81:58So Dan is checking out. He's not paying attention anymore.
82:01Dan started Matt Collins with a straight face. What's going on here?
82:05This is, this is absolutely outrageous. Okay. So also man, Jamar chase has really let Dan Titus down.
82:10He thought, remember Boone took, oh man, this is ironic.
82:14Cause again, this is the match. Remember Boone took Jonathan Taylor and thought he's like, I can't guess.
82:19I'm just going to take Jamar chase. Well, Jamar chase has let him down big time so far this year.
82:25Not, I mean, what are you going to do concussion?
82:29It's the whole deal, but yeah, Boone's got Emmanuel Wilson, Alvin Kamara solving his running back to problem at this point.
82:35I, he's got Jalen hurts doesn't have a perfect roster, but he might be soaring a little bit right now, man.
82:42Those waiver wire pickups just pan off. And Boone said, I'm done.
82:45He took Colston Loveland out of the lineup and George Kittle did exactly what he needed to do.
82:51Alvin Kamara. Who saw that coming? I mean, 20 points for Kamara.
82:55Disgusting. Just, I think this is good. Just decision-making because if I'm looking at, I'll be like, I'll play gain.
83:01Well, I'll play Al's year. That's why Boone is one of the best in the industry.
83:06And you just look at Titus. I mean, Chase Moore, Travis Kelsey, Matt Collins was the least of his concerns in this one.
83:13I mean, two points from Moore, four points from Chase to Blake Corum.
83:17Oh man. Just again, you know, he's getting ready for that, that Joker, Joker and, and, and LaMelo ball.
83:23and those things it's, it's NBA fantasy for Titus right now.
83:2712th place. It's not looking good. I don't know who any of those people are.
83:31So we'll, we'll, we'll move on there. Yeah. I got to start grinding their waiver wire like Boone.
83:37Okay. I've been looking at my roster and be like, we're all set here.
83:41We're not. Boone is trending up. Harmon trending down.
83:44We don't like that. Eric Edholm wins the ballot battle of the Eric's here in our next one.
83:50Eric Proton's one in three at homes, two and two.
83:53Yeah. I mean, at home's got a pretty decent team here coming up.
83:57Carnell Tate is, is surging. Puka Nakua is back.
84:00Trey McBride. He's got the two old man tight end thing going on here.
84:04The bench is a little rough for Eric. Go to at home.
84:08He's got the man. Maybe I need to try.
84:11Oh God. Maybe I need to offer at home a trade for one of his quarterbacks.
84:16He's got two. I've got zero, but yeah, just been bad luck for Proton so far.
84:21He's got facial tootin. Maybe I can get facial tootin off his hands.
84:25I don't know. There's some good team. There's some good players on both these teams, but are they the main contenders?
84:31We'll see Ray. Yeah. This is right here. I'd be screaming median if I were, if I were Froden because you get 130 points.
84:39And I mean, Monunga 27, Dobbs 28, 20.8, Mondray 17.
84:42Like he could, even if he wanted to, he probably couldn't have plugged all those.
84:47I guess he could. Omari on Hampton. You just, it just hindsight is 2020, but man, that's a lot of points on the bench.
84:54And then the other Eric just had a great, I mean, Puka being back helps.
84:59He didn't get anything from McBride. He went to double tight end.
85:03He went double tight ends with McBride and Mark Andrews and still, still got it done.
85:08So it'll be interesting to see what, what old Eric F does here in week five, but 130 points, man.
85:14That's a, you know, glass half full, I guess.
85:17All right, next one up. Hayden's turtlenecks escape with a win over Chris Allen, who peaked too early, talked a lot of trash after that week one win.
85:25That is his only win so far this season.
85:28And yet Hayden's team. I mean, Chuba Hubbard rocks Jackson Smith and Jigba 10 points.
85:33Big deal. He crushes it every other week. It was kind of a, again, a narrow escape here for Hayden.
85:39Chuba Hubbard is carrying this team. He's got to stop starting Bo Nix.
85:43I mean, there's gotta be something you could do about that.
85:47Hey, Hayden's got Marvin Harrison Jr. On his team.
85:50Maybe he's got the fortitude to start him this week.
85:53I'm going to go ahead and say, probably not.
85:55So I'm noticing a little theme here. These kickers, if you can land the right kicker, that is a little bit of a cheat code.
86:03I mean, 16 points for, for fair Baron. You look at Chris's squad.
86:07Honestly, there's nothing he could have done differently. I mean, it's littered of zeros on the bench.
86:13So there's, you know, when you're starting Jawan Jennings, poof, my goodness.
86:16It is just, there's nothing he could have done.
86:19There's nothing that would have changed the outcome. Cause he wasn't going to sit lad for Chris Godwin.
86:25That wasn't going to happen. Harvey was fine. Tucker Kraft was fine.
86:29And then, yeah, you look at, you look at the turtleneck over there.
86:33He went double tight end as well. Uh, with likely in Waller and survive that one, that, that kicker spot.
86:39I need to go grind the kickers. I need to go do that.
86:43Trace Mack and getting it done. Oh man. That's when, you know, your fantasy season over when you say, I got to go grind the kickers.
86:51So it's over for Ray. It's not over for Josh just yet because he took down Max.
86:56Josh is a team takes down Max for Max's first loss of the season.
87:01And let's face it. Josh needed to win this game.
87:04Okay. Josh has been very right about Kenneth Walker and very wrong about Saquon Barkley.
87:09But didn't matter this week because 145 points for Josh.
87:12Little bit of trouble though, right? Cause T Higgins banged up.
87:15He's got Denzel Boston on the bench. So there's something going on there.
87:19That's good to see. Meanwhile, Max finally paid the price for the onesie situation here, even though Brock Bowers and Josh Allen had solid outings for sure.
87:28Yeah. We needed, we needed Max to come down off that high horse.
87:32I've seen him tweeting away too. He is, he's been feeling himself a little Matt Harmon-esque about the start to the season.
87:39So getting, getting, getting, getting Josh to, to, to take care of business.
87:43That's good. But unfortunately for Josh, Saquon Barkley hurt Kenneth Walker on by, you know, Reese Hall hurts.
87:48Sadiq with the zero. And he's got to deal with me this week.
87:52Josh Norris. He's got to deal with old Ray Garvin.
87:55Oh, so we are going to go best foot forward.
87:59See what I'm saying? these kickers, man, I've got to, Hey, what's the score in here?
88:0419 points, 14 points from the kicker. I am.
88:06You can laugh at me all you want. I am grinding the hell out of that kicker wire this week.
88:13I am. Soon as we get done with this show, I'm putting bids in for kickers because that is, I got to do better.
88:20I got to do better. Josh is going down this week.
88:24Well, I mean, yeah, you might be able to take down his zombie team.
88:28Congratulations, Ray. You might finally have a responsibility. I'm going to take a look at the standings.
88:33Here's a look at the standings right now. Scott Pianowski, the only undefeated team, just absolutely dominating right now.
88:39502 points. Hayden also has 507 points. He's three and one.
88:43Then it's max. Then it's me, Boone, Josh in the fifth and the sixth spot.
88:47And then, you know, there's everybody else. There's the other guys that are kind of hanging out here.
88:53Okay. So yeah, the other guy, you know, they're in the league.
88:57They're in the league. You know, that's what that they're in the league.
89:01That's how it goes. I've got no other comment, but y'all see it.
89:05We're going to do. I'm going to hit up Chris and Titus after this and say, we're, we got to get it together.
89:12Fellas, we got to get it together. Yeah. I got nothing else.
89:16Okay. I've got nothing. I definitely, I definitely got nothing else.
89:19If that, if that, I got nothing else too.
89:22Okay. That's going to do it for today's show.
89:25Hell of a show from Ray Garvin here. That was a blast.
89:29Love to see it. Great show. Shout out again to Lane Johnson.
89:32Epic career. You did it, buddy. What a, what a bummer to see him go, but the Eagles will miss him.
89:39That is for sure. Okay. That's going to do it for today's show tomorrow.
89:43Nate Tice and Justin Boone. Will join me for a fun one at 4 PM Eastern, right here, live on the YouTube channel.
89:50Until then we are out.