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1:00Welcome to The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck, who is back from Hawaii.
1:07Baby Craig, how's Hawaii? I was actually on a medical tourism trip.
1:11I got a facelift. I got peptides injected into my cheeks, so I'm feeling refreshed.
1:15You look it, pal. Yeah. Yeah. You just weren't mogging us enough before?
1:19I said, give me the Anne Hathaway. She looked great in ancient Greece.
1:23Just actually learned to do ancient looms by hand.
1:26Okay, we're going to do running backs today. We're going to do running back rankings.
1:30We're going to do tiers. We're going to do sleep.
1:33That's enough of Craig's vacation. We're just getting ready to run.
1:36Yeah, we're going to do next. Moving on. And then just a reminder, we also do shows during the season.
1:42So in the middle of the season, you can stick with us.
1:46Once you do your draft, you can come back.
1:48We do waivers during the season. We do trade help.
1:51We also just talk about all the dumb shit that happens during the season.
1:55So stick with us before your draft, but also after.
1:58Yeah, we do a company-wide fantasy football league with Bill Simmons and the rest of The Ringer, and we're going to do
2:05a live stream draft on Netflix at the end of August.
2:08It's going to be fun. I feel like an idiot.
2:11Well, I guess that's kind of a loaded question because Jameer Gibbs, do you count him as a big beefy back?
2:17No, if you get a top two pick, that's like privilege.
2:20That doesn't count. I'm talking like outside the top two guys.
2:23There's no conversation there. I'm saying if you're not having a top two pick, are you going to be like running back,
2:30running back to start your draft and feel great about it?
2:33I'll be motivated to take a running back very early.
2:36I don't know about two in a row. That's a whole different discussion.
2:40That changes everything. We can't get that deep into it, really.
2:43But yeah, I think getting one early in the first two rounds is going to be big this year because once you
2:50get into the third, fourth, fifth tier of these running backs, it starts to get kind of scary.
2:55I mean, look, since fantasy football has existed, usually the strategy has remained that if you get one of the best running
3:01backs in the league, you're probably going to win or be in the championship.
3:05Like running backs typically score the most points outside of quarterbacks, but that's a different conversation.
3:10But like if you get one of the best four running backs in the NFL or in fantasy, that is usually the
3:17best strategy to win fantasy football is like you just have Christian McCaffrey and he's the RB one.
3:22That is like, so I would say even when things kind of change, strategies change, if you can just get an elite
3:28running back, that kind of always works every single year as long as they're healthy.
3:33Like that is the best strategy. Get an elite running back.
3:36Yeah. I mean, I even just like, I mean, spoiler, but the first two guys we have here, the tier one, and
3:43again, we're going through tiers because it's basically for lack of a more perfect definition, just basically buckets of guys that you
3:49could put them in any order and draft them in any order.
3:53We wouldn't think you're crazy, even if we might disagree with you.
3:56And the top two, I think is pretty unanimous, which is guys that you could take first overall.
4:01It is Jameer Gibbs to the Lions and B.
4:04John Robinson for the Falcons. But I think to that point, Craig just made those two guys kind of epitomize it for
4:10a lot of reasons, because last year, the literal player that was on the running back on the most teams that won
4:17the championship last year on ESPN was B. John Robinson.
4:20Tristan Cockroft does this article every year where he basically just looks at here's the teams who won the leagues this year.
4:26And the most common running back was B. John Robinson.
4:29The year before that, the most common player period on championship teams was just Jameer Gibbs.
4:34Literally, you're at three times better odds of just winning your league if you just drafted.
4:39It was probably McCaffrey the year before that. Yeah.
4:41Yeah, basically. And so you just go through and like, yeah, it's like nailing your running back is the most important.
4:48Well, phrasing, but like having nailing your pick at running back is the most important part.
4:52Yeah. That part. Did you just say that part?
4:55That was good. That was funny. I didn't know DK knew that part.
4:59Wait, what? No, I didn't say that part. He said pause.
5:02I said pause. Oh, I thought you said pause.
5:05And then after that, you said that part. Now you got to explain, you got to explain that part to me because I don't know what that is.
5:13Oh, fuck. I don't know. How did I hear that?
5:16I didn't say it. It's like a, it's like a Gen Z way to acknowledge like something embarrassing you said in a sentence.
5:22No, I've never heard of that. Now I wish I used it.
5:26Song also. But I think that's probably where it came from.
5:29Anyway, it's hard to go from that to like a serious conversation about fantasy football running backs.
5:34Who do you guys like more? Who are you taking first?
5:37Gibbs. Jameer Gibbs. Yeah. I feel like we flopped.
5:40David Montgomery's gone. Like it's as simple as that to me.
5:43Like I think the offensive line is still solid and they're doing what they can to kind of revamp it in Detroit.
5:50David Montgomery is gone. They brought in Isaiah Pacheco.
5:52But like. He's alive. He's just on a new team now.
5:56Jameer Gibbs. Yeah, you're right. He's not gone from this earth.
5:59David Montgomery and now he's gone. Well, he's 25 years old.
6:02Like I'm like, this is all they do is score touchdowns.
6:05Jameer. All Jameer Gibbs does is score touchdowns. And his counterpart who also had like 10 touchdowns a year.
6:11I'll say it for a third time is gone.
6:14He's not even 25. They're both 24 years old.
6:16And that's the thing is they've both basically been league winning running backs already.
6:20Bijan basically was the league winner last year. Gibbs was the really good way the year before.
6:25And yet this is probably, they might both have a career years this year.
6:30Can't go wrong with either of those. Yeah, yeah.
6:32To be clear, I mean, Tyler Algier also left for Atlanta.
6:35The problem is Atlantic brought in Brian Robinson Jr., who I think is more capable running back in Atlanta than Detroit brought
6:42in Isaiah Pacheco, who's not as good as David Montgomery.
6:45I just think overall, though, it's not even the Montgomery thing to me with Detroit.
6:49It's just I would rather have all season the Lions offense with Jared Goff than I would the Falcons with Tua and Michael Penix as the quarterback.
6:57I agree. That's the difference. Or Michael Penix. Yeah.
7:00And there's, I mean, one part of that's obvious.
7:02But also, just because Tua and Michael Penix in Atlanta, the quarterbacks, they're both lefties.
7:07Like, stylistically, they're not the same. If they inevitably go from Tua to Penix at any point during the season, I do
7:13think they'll have quite the effect on the offense.
7:16Never mind if both get hurt in December, which is, I mean, I feel like they're two of the more fragile quarterbacks in the NFL.
7:23And I also have to say that the Lions thing, what really pushes me over the edge for me, Rich Rebar at
7:30Sharp Fantasy, who has great stats at Warren Sharp's website, Rich Rebar made the point that not only do the Lions have
7:36the easiest schedule in the NFL for real life, but the Lions also have the easiest rushing schedule in the NFL.
7:42They try to project rushing defenses and all these things.
7:45And the Lions are projected to have like the third most points in the NFL this season.
7:50And the Falcons are projected to have the 25th most points.
7:54So if it's just like, well, who's going to score more touchdowns?
7:57It was probably the guy with more consistent quarterback with the easier schedule, with the easier rushing schedule and the team that's
8:04going to be in the red zone more. So I think that to me is what pushes it over for Gibbs, even
8:10though it's not like impossible that B. John has like a Hall of Fame season.
8:14The Lions finished nine and eight last year. I totally memory hold it that they were in last place in the NFC North.
8:21They get a last place schedule this year. So that's a big part of the reason they have the easiest, according to
8:28Warren Sharp, the easiest schedule in the NFL. They go up against the Jets, the Panthers, the Cardinals, Falcons, Titans and Giants among other like among other teams.
8:36And then, you know, they've got a couple of hard games in there here and there.
8:41But yes, they are. They're facing the easiest schedule in the NFL.
8:44This is a easy to me. This is the easy tiebreaker between Bijan and Gibbs.
8:49I think both are great picks. I think the Falcons have a pretty easy schedule, too, from according to, you know, Vegas win totals.
8:56But yeah, the Lions could just actually absolutely go nuclear on offense this year and kind of get back to what they're doing.
9:02The other thing is they love to run in the red zone.
9:06That has been a thing for years. And so there's a strong chance Gibbs just has a ton of touchdowns again.
9:12The one thing I'll say about Gibbs, just because I think everyone's anointing was the number one pick.
9:17And the number one pick kind of hasn't delivered for anybody in like a really like 10 years, if we're being honest.
9:24The one thing I'll say about Gibbs. But you can't just ignore him.
9:28No, no. I'm just I'm just saying like before we just say like he's this perfect prop.
9:33I will say the one thing that you take for granted in Detroit is the offensive line.
9:38That is the biggest question on the whole the whole equation is the Detroit offensive line.
9:42You're you're moving Panay Sewell from right tackle to left tackle the center.
9:46They brought in Cade Mays from Carolina. But like he's missed a lot of time.
9:51Like he's missed like, I don't know, 11 games the past two years.
9:54Like they kept Christian Mahogany at left guard, which I don't think Lions fans wanted to keep.
9:59Amazing name. Many leather bound books. I feel like it was going to be Ron Burgundy or Christian Mahogany and they chose Ron Burgundy.
10:06Christian Mahogany. Christian Mahogany. It does sound like the first name.
10:10It does sound like a like a character in like the Romaness novels or something.
10:14Yeah, it really does. Christian Rockhard Wood. Yeah. Mahogany is the only guy returning in the same position.
10:19But Panay Sewell. Tate Rallage is a right guard.
10:22The point, though, is like there's a lot of the Lions fell apart because the line fell apart and they have an
10:29injury prone center, which was the problem last year.
10:31Panay Sewell is like their best lineman in the league, but he's moving over to left tackle.
10:36So that's a variable. There are variables in the offensive line.
10:39And Jared Goff with has been good at Detroit because the line's been good.
10:44So there is a world where you like Miller.
10:46Yeah. It's like if two is coming out and plays 17 games and just peppers B.
10:51John Robinson, like he's throwing the HN, there's a world that B.
10:54John runs away with it. I just wanted to put it.
10:58I still think we're all and everyone's in on Gibbs, but I'm just saying it's weird to have a number one pick
11:04where the line is the biggest question. But I think everything else.
11:08Yeah. Falcon's offensive line, not terrible. It's pretty solid.
11:10No one named Christian Mahogany, though. I know. Who's the coolest?
11:13They have Matthew Bergeron. That's fine. It's like a Kurt Vonnegut character.
11:17No way. Yeah, it's not as good. That one was not a crowd pleaser.
11:21Anyway, tier two. I wanted to ask you, should this tier be Christian McCaffrey for the Niners, John Taylor for the Colts and James Cook for the Bills?
11:29Or should it just be McCaffrey? I mean, look, Jonathan Taylor was the best running back in fantasy last year when Daniel Jones was playing.
11:37So I think he deserves to be with McCaffrey.
11:39Yeah, I guess the only question in my mind is, does Cook belong in this tier or not?
11:45He's at the NFL in rushing yards. I know.
11:47And I feel like it's mainly just a reputation and perception argument.
11:51He's boring. Yeah. And he's small, I guess, is the other thing.
11:54But Christian McCaffrey is also small, so I don't know.
11:57James Cook, who has, am I getting this number right off the top of my head?
12:02Yeah, 32 touchdowns in the last 33 games. Yeah, he probably belongs in this tier.
12:06And he's kind of, he's weirdly similar to Jonathan Taylor in the sense that he gets a ton of carries.
12:12And when the offense is rolling, he's going to score a ton of touchdowns.
12:16But he's not really all that involved in the passing game.
12:20But both Taylor and Cook. It's ironic because he can catch.
12:23I don't know. He's a good pass catcher. Jameer Gibbs is not big.
12:27I mean, I feel like, is James Cook smaller than?
12:30I want to say, yeah, he came out, when he came out into the NFL, he was 190 pounds.
12:35So he's sub 200. Yeah. And that was part of the reason he didn't go earlier.
12:40But yeah, I mean. I mean, no one. I think when James Cook came out of the league, I think people even
12:46who are high on him would be surprised to hear that James Cook played the NFL and rushing.
12:52Like just period. A hundred percent. I think these are guys you can take to the first round.
12:57McCaffrey, Taylor, James Cook. I asked about McCaffrey because he really is the, he's the real life Ricky Bobby for fantasy.
13:03First or last. Like I would, I would argue that McCaffrey was one of the three most important players to have on your team.
13:10Four of the last seven years. It was essential to have McCaffrey, but every other year he was the most important player to avoid.
13:17He's literally just either destroyed your season or single handedly dragged you to the semifinals with nothing in between on a season by season basis.
13:25It's insane. Great. So we're taking it. We're not taking him this year.
13:28Is that what you're saying? I kind of think no, I actually kind of am against it.
13:33Like McCaffrey, if you were a restaurant, he'd have only five star reviews or one star reviews.
13:38Like there's no three star view of McCaffrey. And I kind of think this year is a one star review because he
13:45led the league in touches last year. He had 413 touches in the regular season.
13:49I think over 450. If you look at the playoffs too.
13:53And I'm like, okay, well, 413 is like an arbitrary number.
13:56But the other two times he went over that, he played like four games the next year.
14:01And I know that's not exactly some like, well, definitely will repeat.
14:04But I'm like, I am hesitant to just assume that as McCaffrey's 30, which I think is overrated as a holistic number.
14:11For McCaffrey specifically, coming off the most touches in the NFL, I'm a little too.
14:15I still probably want the risk outweighs. At some point, the risk outweighs the reward.
14:20The question's where, right? I was going to say, if you say that, but like are you taking McCaffrey behind Jonathan Taylor?
14:26That's the question. So it's Gibbs, Bijan, Puka Nakua, JSN, and Jamar Chase.
14:30I think those are the top five. The question is, where does McCaffrey slot in after that?
14:35I'm dubious to the cult, so I'm afraid of taking John Taylor.
14:38So maybe I do just have him sixth like everyone else with McCaffrey.
14:42It just makes me a little nervous. Yeah, it's like one of those things where you don't want to have the sixth
14:49pick because then you kind of have to take him.
14:52Yes, that's the thing. Do you want someone else to take him?
14:55The upside is like when he's the best player.
14:58Also, all the efficiency is kind of cut off for McCaffrey too, which, you know, I mean, that was just the thing for the overall Niners.
15:05They couldn't really run the ball for the first time.
15:08D-Devitt has made explosive plays. But the other thing I do want to mention while we're on the Niners is I want
15:15to talk about this story from ESPN. So Kyle Shanahan, who's the head coach of the Niners, was in a car crash in the middle of July.
15:23I'm just going to read from this story from ESPN.
15:26So it says 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan suffered significant injuries in a car crash during a summer break in mid-July that will
15:32leave Shanahan limited as the team opens training camp.
15:35I'm deviating from the article. I think it's weird.
15:37They keep talking about him like it's a player.
15:40They keep talking about limited concussion protocol. He's going to be on the sideline, you know, doing some sprints.
15:46It's weird football. There's weird football speak throughout this.
15:48But anyway, the article continues. So Shanahan broke his nose.
15:51He broke three ribs and he broke his hand.
15:54Kyle Shanahan needed his hand. He needed more than 40 stitches in his face and he suffered a severe concussion.
16:00This was on July 14th when he collided with an SUV near his Northern California home.
16:05And then so the police, the other driver did not suffer any of their injuries.
16:09Drugs and alcohol were ruled out. Both drivers were operative police.
16:12No one was cited for anything. And then John Lynch, the GM, said that Kyle Shanahan's recovering well from the injuries, but he still has lingering concussion symptoms.
16:20And he added that not the broken face, not the stitches, not the nose, not the ribs, not the black eyes.
16:27The reason Shanahan's not at camp yet and they have an interim coach, Chris Forrester, is that Shanahan has this severe concussion
16:33and they're going to treat him like a player until he comes back, which I don't know.
16:38I think that's, I mean, that's pretty notable. Like I actually know a couple of people who had issues with concussions and
16:45car accidents, you know, not saying it's one-on-one with Kyle Shanahan.
16:48But like if you think about the lifestyle of a coach where concussions can affect things like ability to focus for 16
16:54hours a day, like reading, spending all these times in your playbooks, like the things coaches have to do.
17:00One of the things you need for concussions to like recover is sleep.
17:04And you think about the lifestyle of coaches who are sleeping in their offices for three hours a day or something.
17:10I don't know. It's interesting that they don't even want him to come back till he's healthy.
17:15So like, you know, who knows how this will go.
17:18But that is, you didn't really think it could get worse for the Niners.
17:22I know. My dad is a huge Niner fan.
17:24And when this came out, he was like, once again, this team cannot catch a fucking break.
17:29It's not. Well, everyone made the same two jokes, which was where is Brandon Ayuken?
17:34How close was it to the substation? Yes. Which is what everyone's.
17:37Number one. I know. Glad he's okay. Yeah. Totally.
17:40Yeah, of course. Glad he's okay. Relatively okay. The term severe concussion really stood out to me.
17:45I'm like, they didn't just call it a concussion, like severe concussion.
17:49Because if it was a regular concussion and they treated him like a player, he'd be back.
17:54Right. But the fact that, I mean, he's still kind of being eased back into this suggests that things are pretty messed up.
18:0040 stitches in his face. I mean, this is.
18:03Well, it also makes you remember that first of all, the NFL doesn't really even use the term severe concussion.
18:09It's weird to even hear. Yes. That's why it jumped out to me.
18:13Who said it? Severe concussion. Was it Schefter? Yeah, I think so.
18:16First. Yeah. It's one of them. They're like, no, no, we need his brain to work.
18:21They only use the word severe for coaches, not players.
18:24Yeah, exactly. The, the. I know. Maybe they're all severe.
18:27I guess like when a player gets knocked unconscious on the field, I would probably consider that a severe concussion.
18:33Right. Give him some smelling salt so they get back in there, son.
18:37Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, we'll see. I mean, it is.
18:40The fact that they have an assistant head coach, they have an interim head coach stepping in for training camp is not nothing.
18:47So, you know, we'll see. It's. Yeah, I don't know.
18:49Yeah, I don't know. There's like no analysis off of that.
18:53It's just like not a great start. It's weird to say.
18:56I think things will probably be fine because you never know.
18:59Knock on wood. Hopefully he's OK. But like, yeah, as horrible as it sounds, I'd like to think that in a month everything will be fine.
19:07But sure. But is there any coach more reliant on their head coach to prop up the entire performance of the team?
19:13Totally. I would argue Shannon even more than McVay and the Rams.
19:17But at least it's like, you know, he's been there for a long time.
19:21It's like institutional knowledge. Hopefully like things can can go without him for a little bit.
19:26But yeah, it's like when Steve Kerr left the Warriors for 20 games and they were fucking awesome with with Luke Walton, you know?
19:33Totally. You guys would have. Everyone was thinking the only thing, the only thing I'll add to the Christian McCaffrey discussion, which
19:39is, I think, important and makes me feel a little bit more at about him as he is like the running back
19:46who is like at least in this area of the draft that is less reliant on just pure volume on the ground.
19:52He gets an insane amount of work in the in the past game.
19:56And I think that's what really separates him and half PBR and PBR particularly.
20:00I mean, he had one hundred and twenty nine targets last year, which was almost 30, like basically almost 30 more than
20:06the next closest guy, which is B. John, you got 100.
20:10So he had he averaged three more touches per game than any other running back last year.
20:15On that note, Rich Rebar had another great stat of McCaffrey.
20:18Christian McCaffrey has 100 catches in a season three times.
20:21Yeah. Every other running back in NFL history has done that four times combined.
20:25He had one hundred and two catches last year, which was sixth in the NFL right behind Amon Ross St.
20:31Brown. He's basically Amon Ross St. Brown and he runs in the passing game.
20:35And he also gets like three hundred carries like it's insane.
20:38What like they how they use him. It's basically Kyle Shanahan, like nihilistic sort of point of view.
20:44I don't know who's going to be alive next week, so I can't tell you who's which he was kind of right.
20:50You know, look, maybe he was on to something with who knows if I'll be alive on Sunday, but he kind of
20:56utilizes his running back in that way, too. We don't know if tomorrow we have tomorrow.
21:01So let's just go ahead and give this guy 30 touches every game.
21:05So, yeah, I think even though like the injury risk is probably as high as you can imagine with any player at
21:11this point in the NFL, you still the value or the potential value that he brings, I think, is worth the risk
21:18because he could win you your league. You know what I'm thinking of?
21:22I just watched Interstellar again because of the Odyssey.
21:24And you know that scene where he's like hitting him in the head with the space suit and he's like, Dr.
21:31Man, there's a 50 percent chance you'll kill yourself.
21:33He's like, those are the best odds I've had in years.
21:36It just like smashes the thing. I'm like, isn't that kind of McCaffrey?
21:40Like if you're kind of like really desperate for a win, part of me is like there's a 50 percent chance you
21:47nuke your league in the first round. But I'm like, fuck it.
21:50If you take McCaffrey and he does it, he has no one.
21:54McCaffrey is her fourth place or fifth place. Like try to win your league.
21:58He's only been a top three running. I think he's been by points per game, like number one or two every year.
22:04He's played more than like seven games. Yeah. So.
22:07So I think he's properly rated, even though. Okay.
22:10So McCaffrey Taylor. Yeah. Those are guys in the first round.
22:13The next one are guys that I think I don't know exactly how to define it.
22:18Guys you could take early round two and you'd probably be happy with.
22:21These are guys I think of as having like obvious league winning upside, but also have an asterisk or two holding them back.
22:28Ashton Gentry running back for the Raiders. Saquon Barkley running back for the Eagles.
22:32Kenneth Walker running back for the Chiefs. Omerian Hampton for the Chargers.
22:36Devon A. Chan for the Dolphins. And then Chase Brown for the Bengals.
22:40This is a funny category. This is a funny grouping because a couple of these guys are like Hall of Fame, former top three fantasy picks.
22:47They're still at the peak of their powers in theory on good teams.
22:51I'm talking about like Saquon and Derrick Henry. And then you have like Chase Brown or like Omerian Hampton, who's very unproven.
22:58Chase Brown. It's actually insane. It's a weird list because you could make the case that Saquon and Derrick Henry should probably
23:04just like bump up to next to James Cook.
23:07Like are James Cook and Derrick Henry and Saquon not in the same tier?
23:11That doesn't really feel right to me. Yes. Even Ashton Gentry, you know, I think Henry and Saquon, to be honest, are
23:17perfectly fine end of first round picks. Like especially both of them.
23:21And I would say Gentry as well. Gentry is going 11th in ADP.
23:25So whether you're in a 10 team or a 12 team league, kind of like end of first round.
23:30But what I think what the first round, you know, we say all the time, you know, you can't win your league in the first round.
23:38You can lose it. You want consistency and you want to be able to bank on your first round pick, right?
23:44You want to kind of know it's going to be fine when you're spending that much money or that much capital on him.
23:51I think Ashton Gentry, again, 11th in ADP. He's the only guy in the first round that's not proven.
23:56That is a projection of what could happen and not a bet on what has happened.
24:01And it's like, say, you know, Jonathan Taylor, Amonra, JSN, Puka, McCaffrey, Chase, B.
24:05John Gibbs. All guys are like, I know what they can do.
24:09Even Derrick Henry and Saquon, you're like, I know what they can do.
24:13Gentry, who I am kind of obsessed with this year because I have stupid offseason brain where I'm like all excited about
24:19something I haven't seen yet when I should probably just take Saquon Barkley.
24:23But the curious thing about Ashton Gentry is that the team was so bad last year and he was fine that you're
24:29like, man, if the team is even middling, how good can he be?
24:33There's such crazy stats about how bad the Raiders were.
24:36Like Solak, Ben Solak had one. Since 2010, a running back has reached 100 carries in a season 737 times.
24:42Ashton Gentry's yards before contact last year ranked 734th.
24:45734th. I mean, it's just- 734 to 737. It just could not have been worse.
24:49And then yet when you look at when he was not hit behind the line of scrimmage, when Gentry had like a
24:55normal carry, he was first in yards after contact per carry.
24:59Give him one step. Yes. All he needs is one step and he is gone.
25:03The reason why I'm comfortable having him in the first round next to all these other people who are very proven is a few reasons.
25:10One, I'm like, I don't care about like his overall numbers last year when you watch him and he had room.
25:17He looked fucking good and he is good and I'm convinced he's great.
25:20Two, the volume is outstanding. If you look at like just backfield carry share, all that stuff like red zone, he is
25:27first in the NFL in terms of like backfield carries inside the 10 yard line.
25:31He's first in the NFL. He's above Derek. Well, with the coaching staff that included Pete Carroll's sons that was flushed and
25:38kind of basically like the whole Raiders season is pinned on the coaching staff to be clear.
25:43I don't know if Kubiak has said he wants to split maybe.
25:46Oh, I don't. I, I'm not worried about that at all.
25:50Like I think Ashton Gentry is capable of doing everything and when we'll get everything.
25:54Um, and then I'll, and obviously factoring in now Kubiak has a play caller and a revamped offensive line.
26:00I just feel like this has all the makings of next year.
26:03Gentry is the fifth pick in drafts and it's a little bit of a risk, I suppose, because everybody else is reliable,
26:10but I'm willing to take the risk. I think.
26:12Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well said, well said. I want to know what you think because for two reasons, one, a lot
26:19of these like year two running backs that explode are round two year two running backs that were first run picks are
26:25like traditionally one of the big easiest players to spot that just exploded to year two and kind of become league winning players.
26:32McCaffrey being a good example in 2019. Where do you land on this?
26:36Cause Clint Kubiak, who's the Seahawks offensive coordinator took over from a year before the Seahawks offensive line and run game was a mess.
26:43And the coach, the coordinator before him, Ryan Grubb kind of had a bad scheme and the Seahawks offensive line was like a bottom five unit.
26:50And then Clint Kubiak came in and went, took them from bad to average.
26:55And then really that unlocked everything for the Seahawks offense along with JSN and the DK Metcalf trade.
27:00And so now you have Clint Kubiak going to the Raiders again.
27:03And I'm curious, how much do you think that's like, like just copy paste?
27:07Like, Oh, he'll just make this offensive line a good again for the Raiders.
27:12Because there are a lot of ifs with the JT thing.
27:15Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a million variables here, but I do think just like the one thing I
27:21keep thinking about with that, that, that Ben Solek stat, which was, you know, basically as bad as you can get in terms of yards before contact.
27:29I do think that Kubiak scheme, the way that he sequences plays, the improvements they'll make on the offensive line.
27:35They go, well, they went and got Tyler Linderbaum.
27:38And I think he could be a real linchpin for like improvement on that defense or on offense.
27:43We've seen in the past in these, you know, sort of wide zone offenses that the center is really crucial to get it.
27:50You know, basically crossing the face of a defender and then sealing him, hooking him and sealing him for away from the
27:56play is like such a massive part when you're, when you're going on these zone run game runs where basically you're trying
28:03to stretch the defense laterally at just start. And if you, if you don't have a center that can get in front
28:09of his guy and kind of seal him off, that can like make the whole thing collapse.
28:14And so there's a chance this is really important and their offensive line improves a lot, but most, most importantly, like they just start running the ball better.
28:22And they also, by the way, might have like a better, um, you know, like more dedication to it.
28:28Just the way that Kubiak's offenses have kind of played over the years.
28:32I think it's just a huge part. Like Kubiak's dad was one of the originators of the, of the zone game.
28:38Like he invented zone again. Yeah. Blocking before them was man.
28:41You, a person gets a guy. Zone running. They invented like Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak and Alex Gibbs in the late
28:48eighties, early nineties invented zone running, which was basically the lineman goes to a space and blocks the area and you block whoever shows up.
28:55But the point of it was to make cornerbacks tackle.
28:58They basically were like all the X's, all the X's and O's on the board can't tackle equally.
29:03Get the running. It's reverse engineering how to make the cornerbacks tackle.
29:07And to your point, I keep thinking about also Gary Kubiak click alive and is definitely consulting for this team.
29:13All these guys have their dads helping. Like I'm just saying, we don't talk.
29:17Mike Shannon still helps the Niners. Gary Kubiak still helps the sons.
29:20Yeah. All these dads helped. Gary Kubiak is younger than like five NFL coaches.
29:24He could be, he'd be the fifth youngest fucking guy who ran for president if Gary Kubiak ran.
29:30They helped their sons. Dude, Jim and John Harbaugh both talked to their dad every day.
29:34So I'm just saying Gary Kubiak invented this shit.
29:37And to that point, DK, I keep thinking about Ashton Gentry making cornerbacks miss tackles.
29:41Like that is what I do keep thinking about.
29:44I like Gentry just getting put on all these tack cornerbacks who can't fucking tackle.
29:49Just the, you know, like if they're, if they're going to be, and I don't know exactly how they're going to design the run game.
29:56Maybe they don't do as much zone as you expect, blah, blah, blah.
30:00There's, there's all these caveats, but if they do focus heavily on getting him kind of in space and letting him, basically
30:06the idea is yes, you want to get corners tackle, but also you want the defense to overplay to the outside and
30:13then opens up cut lanes down the field. And I just feel like Gentry is going to be better at like, like,
30:19like I mentioned before, if he has a couple of steps, he can kind of get his momentum going and then cut
30:26downfield juke break tackles, rip through arm tackles. That kind of thing is like what he's so good at.
30:31If he's like just getting hit in the backfield every time, that's just not his game.
30:36That's like a Derek Henry style thing. He just doesn't have the ability to make guys miss before the line of scrimmage basically.
30:43But I do think every time we saw him get a little bit of daylight last year, he looked like he was shot out of a cannon.
30:51It's kind of the same deal with Omar and Hampton, I think too.
30:54But yeah, I'm excited about what he can do in this offense.
30:58I do think I agree with you, Craig, that it's a massive projection compared to these other guys though.
31:04Yeah. Look, it doesn't, Gentry in the NFL does not look like Gentry in the Mountain West, but you know what?
31:10It's not as big of a gap as I maybe thought.
31:13Like Gentry's best plays last year against NFL defensive players.
31:16He was still dudes were, he was fucking throwing dudes off him.
31:19Like it still took two or three guys to get him down.
31:23He has a ridiculous like center of gravity on him that did translate to the NFL.
31:28So I'm convinced he's great. So we have Gentry as a fringe first, second round pick, you know, kind of in that
31:34range of you took Ashton Gentry over Justin Jefferson.
31:37I don't think anyone would think you're crazy. He also had 55 catches, by the way.
31:41He's a great receiver. He's not a zero in the receiving game.
31:45He was a receiver in high school. He was a receiver in high school, wasn't he?
31:50In Italy, he played at the Volcano High School.
31:52Playing in the giant. Military High School. You know what I'm talking about.
31:56Google Ashton Gentry was a Volcano High School, right?
31:59Because his dad was in the military. Yeah. Oh, my God.
32:02That's that field is crazy. Like in the caldera of a fucking at Paul Kane.
32:06The caldera. Anyway. OK, so Derek Henry, anyone else in this?
32:10I want to talk about Ken Walker because Ken Walker is super MVP for Seattle Left.
32:14Goes to Kansas City. I feel like we have wish casted a better, cooler, explosive running back on the Kansas City for six years now.
32:22And now we finally have it. And DK, is it like too little too late because the Chiefs aren't cool anymore?
32:28Do you think that Ken Walker is going to be?
32:31I think it makes it a buy opportunity here because people are really bored of the Chiefs offense.
32:36There's, you know, they've been kind of an ugly offense to watch the last few years.
32:41Disgusting. Especially relative to what like the early days of Pat Mahomes where he was throwing, you know, 50 plus touchdowns and just going absolutely bonkers.
32:48Can I give you a stat on that to just put a button on it?
32:53Yeah. People probably know this, but Rich Rebar, another Rich Rebar has so many great stats at Warren Shrebsite.
32:58But Kansas City had the few tied with the Vikings for the fewest touchdowns scored from outside the red zone last year.
33:05Period. Like they had for the entire season touchdowns from outside the 20 yard line.
33:09And then Kansas City running backs have one touchdown from outside the red zone.
33:13The past three seasons combined. Ken Walker alone has more than that.
33:17But the point being the Kansas City, like I know we keep saying they're not explosive anymore.
33:22They literally have the worst team in the NFL scoring from outside the red zone.
33:26Yeah. And I think that's why they've made a priority to sign Kenneth Walker.
33:30He's an explosive runner. I think he is. He's a tackle breaking guy.
33:34He can, he can create explosive big plays on the ground.
33:38I think that's massive for him. I think there's a chance that we see.
33:42I mean, I'm going back and looking at Kareem Hunt's numbers early on, early career Kareem Hunt.
33:47I know this was a 2017, but like he had 1300 yards, eight touchdowns.
33:51He was used in the passing game. I do think that is what Ken Walker's role will be.
33:56And he's way faster than Kareem Hunt ever was.
33:59So, you know, if you look at missed tackles forced last year, Kenneth Walker was number one, according to fantasy points.
34:05I mean, Kareem Hunt led the league in rushing his rookie year.
34:08Yeah. So I think this is the way that we can envision it.
34:12That is the upside play. Obviously the down, the, the, the bear like version of this is that he is continues to be injury prone.
34:20Patrick Mahomes is in himself. The offense continues to be really kind of sluggish and, you know, the, and it just doesn't play out that way.
34:27But I do think he has the talent. Ken Walker has the talent to be a really high end fantasy option.
34:33And I think they're going to give him the volume in this, in this offense.
34:38I mean, who, who is he competing with against for touches this year?
34:42It's like Amari DiMarcado and some other random dudes in that backfield.
34:45I think he's going to get the vast majority of the touches.
34:49It is funny that like, not, not long ago, Clyde Edwards Hilaire was the, it was a first round pick in fantasy.
34:55And I don't know what it is about the Kenneth Walker thing that does not fully excite me the way I think I thought it would.
35:03I don't really know what it is, but like, I guess it's that the Chiefs are just maybe in a different era now.
35:10And Mahomes has an ACL injury. The offensive line is still not good.
35:13And this team is just way less explosive and less cool.
35:17And I feel they've been surpassed by like five other, 10 other offenses that are just way cooler than them now.
35:23But there's something about Kenneth Walker on the Chiefs that two, three years ago, I would have freaked out at.
35:29And I'm kind of not now. I think the real answer is it's about Andy Reid and that Andy Reid, who's quietly, is he almost 70 years old?
35:37Andy Reid. Older than Gary Kubiak. Yeah. Andy Reid was at the cutting edge of offense and people were stealing ideas from Andy Reid for a long time.
35:45And that has not been quite as true the last four years.
35:49And like, it's not a knock on Andy Reid because he's a Hall of Fame coach.
35:53And again, he's been doing this for 26 years.
35:56It's like a Belichick thing. It's like, oh, he fell off.
35:59Like staying at the top that long is incredible.
36:02But the league and the rules and the trends, when the Chiefs were at their most successful with Mahomes, the league was
36:08bending toward what Andy Reid has been specialized in for so long.
36:12Like everything happening with receivers, with spacing, with like the running game trickling into it, the passing game becoming an extension of
36:18the running game and being like these quick West Coast things.
36:22That's like Andy Reid's specialty. And as the league has drifted away from that back to, you know what's better than an extension of the running game?
36:30The running game. As the running game is actually back and being under-centered and all these things and the league has drifted
36:36away from Andy Reid's specialty, the Chiefs have fallen off.
36:39And so no one's stealing ideas from them anymore.
36:42And so that I think is what's happening is they're not explosive anymore because the guys who were like at the true
36:48cutting edge are like 30 years his junior. Like Andy, like, you know, Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan.
36:53So I think the Chiefs just, they're middle of the road now schematically instead of cutting edge.
36:58And then they also got rid of Tyreek Hill.
37:01And so it was much cooler when they had like the fastest player ever and the best receiving tight end ever.
37:07And then you added Clyde Edwards-Alaire to it. We're like, oh, cool.
37:11But he wasn't that athletic of a guy, Clyde.
37:13You know what I mean? Right. Now he's supposed to be the straw that stirs the drink because frankly, everyone else in
37:20the Chiefs offense is pretty limited other than Ken Walker.
37:23Would you be more surprised if at the end of this upcoming season, Kenneth Walker is a top five fantasy running back or a fringe top 25?
37:31Like, I think if you take health out of it, I'd be more surprised if he was fringe top 25.
37:37I think he's that good. I just think the health thing is the major question mark as always.
37:42And the Chiefs have a strong offensive line. Like this is where sometimes you have to recalibrate what you think.
37:48Do you guys think of the Chiefs offensive line as a better offensive line than Detroit?
37:52Right. No, I don't. But they are like the Chiefs have way better interior offensive line.
37:57Interior. Yes. Their tackle situation is a mess. But it's weird.
38:00Well, it's weird because Josh Simmons is the left tackle and he's like really good, but also ghosted the team for like
38:07five weeks and no one knew what to do.
38:09Like we don't know. It's just a strange situation.
38:12But I think the Chiefs might be like a running game.
38:15The key to me is that Ken Walker is incredible as a receiver for the screens.
38:20And Andy Reid's huge on screen design still. And Ken Walker is great on that.
38:24And I think that he's going to get a lot of design passes, not just check downs.
38:29But we'll see. I guess what it comes down to it is would you rather have Ken Walker or like Nico Collins, DK?
38:36I think Ken Walker. Yeah, I think so too.
38:39I think he's properly ranked where he is. Do we want to move Henry and Saquon and Gentie up into the other tier or no?
38:46I think so. Just sheerly out of respect? I think Gentie, Barkley, Henry are in a different tier than these next guys.
38:53You think Gentie, Barkley, Henry are in the tier with CMC, Taylor, James Cook?
38:57No, I think they should just be their own tier.
39:00Their own tier? Yeah. Interesting. And then the next tier would be what?
39:04Marion Hampton, Devon A-chan and Chase Brown. Walker, Hampton, A-chan.
39:07Oh, interesting. Brown. That's probably right. Maybe it's splitting hairs a little.
39:10Is there a world in which you're taking Chase Brown over Saquon?
39:14No. So then, there you go. I doubt it, yeah.
39:17But there is a world where you're taking Saquon over James Cook.
39:20So what are we saying in practice here? So the guys you take number one are Gibbs or B.
39:26John Robinson. And then first rounders for sure are like Christian McCaffrey, John Taylor, and James Cook.
39:31Yep. And then we're saying the top of round two, the running backs you should be thinking about are, like if you're
39:37the first pick of round two, you're thinking about Ashton Gentry, Saquon.
39:41Obviously, I like Derek Henry, but I don't think you even have to take him there.
39:45But Henry, and then we're saying that toward the end of round two, you'd be really happy if you got Ken Walker, O'Mearian Hampton, Devon A.
39:53Chan, Chase Brown. Yep. Okay. That actually sounds right.
39:56Yeah. Does that sound right to you, DK? Yeah.
39:58O'Mearian Hampton should not be with Saquon, even though I love O'Mearian Hampton.
40:02Like, you just don't know. It's funny because all we did while you were gone, Craig, was glaze the Chargers.
40:08And yet, O'Mearian Hampton as a player individually, I'm so much more confident in Ashton Gentie than I am in O'Mearian Hampton as a player.
40:15But everything about O'Mearian Hampton's surroundings are so much better.
40:18Like, if Ashton Gentie and O'Mearian Hampton were flipped.
40:21Oh, yeah. Ashton Gentie's like, what? He'd be like the fourth pick in the fucking draft.
40:26Yeah. I mean, like, I probably might take him over McCaffrey with the sixth pick.
40:30But because they're flipped, I don't know what to do with either of them.
40:34There's so much wish casting that Hampton could be everything we want him to be, or the Raiders can.
40:40But no, I agree that, yeah. Hampton's exciting. Hampton is one of the more polarizing.
40:44He's probably the most polarizing player of the top 20, just in terms of like, what do you do with him?
40:50Because there's all this like, well, how much work is he really going to get?
40:55Keaton Mitchell's there. Like, is he actually even good?
40:57All the underlying metrics suggest that he might not even be good.
41:01Wait, can we do a fun game called DK?
41:04Am I making this up or did this really happen?
41:06Because you have not the greatest memory anymore? Sure.
41:09True or false? Najihara's kind of outplayed O'Mearian Hampton.
41:12Even after the eye injury. That can't be true.
41:14That can't be. That simply can't be real. Like Najihara's like, maybe.
41:18A little? That's not what I remember. For five seconds?
41:21I would say probably not. Yeah. All three games?
41:23Yeah. No, Najihara's on a team currently? Well, no, he blew out his Achilles after hurting his eye.
41:29But, you know. No, but I think more. Hampton, I think his first team all bonk.
41:33Which is just, you know, people are six to midnight for him.
41:37But the guy that I actually want to ask you.
41:40We have not talked about this guy. And I don't know what to do with him.
41:45Is Devon Achan. And we have Devon Achan for the Miami Dolphins.
41:48Back to back with Chase Brown for the Bengals.
41:51And I think this is also perfect to have these guys back to back.
41:55Because they're completely opposite. Devon Achan is the sexiest running back imaginable.
41:58He's the fastest running back in the NFL. He's a genuinely elite receiver.
42:02He actually has good running back skills. Like, he's good vision.
42:06He's actually good between the tackles for someone who weighs like 185 pounds or whatever he does.
42:11Like, he has all the running back skills. All the running back speed.
42:14On the absolute worst team imaginable. And the Dolphins are favored to have the worst record in the NFL.
42:20And they are, like, accused of tanking. And the Dolphins are the vaguest favorite to get the number one pick.
42:26And then you have Chase Brown, who's frankly probably one of the more average skill sets in the NFL for running back.
42:32In the absolute sexiest environment imaginable on Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.
42:36In the coolest offense for an average player. Or an elite player in the worst offense in the NFL, maybe.
42:42And I have no idea how the fuck I'm supposed to look at those guys next to each other.
42:47I always lean towards, I'd rather have the guy on the good team, I think.
42:52You know, it's wild. Before it starts, you're, like, giving the good player.
42:56And then the season starts and you're, like, God, I wish I had the guy.
43:00I don't think I would have ever guessed this, but I'm looking, just literally looking at receptions.
43:05Chase Brown had more receptions last year than Devon A.
43:08Chan. The tough thing about these two guys is, like, there is no discount for them.
43:13Like, Devon A. Chan is going 13th overall and Chase Brown is going 15th.
43:17I was going to come into this episode and be like, I'm into Chase Brown.
43:21He's underrated, blah, blah. 15th is not underrated, man.
43:2415th is about as fucking high as he can be.
43:27Like, the thing about him is when he's actually playing with Joe Burrow, he's fantastic.
43:31And I think there's no bigger gap in reputation versus production than Chase Brown.
43:35Yeah. Because nobody thinks about him or talks about him.
43:38But if you just look at last year, he closed 2025.
43:41He played six games with Burrow. In those six games, he was the RB2 in fantasy, Chase Brown.
43:47He was getting 20 touches a game. He had eight touchdowns in six games.
43:51And it's funny because if you go back the year before that even, it's kind of the exact same thing.
43:57He finished his 2024 season with, like, eight games with Joe Burrow when he kind of became a starter.
44:02He was the RB5 over that stretch. So you're like, fuck, man.
44:06Every time this guy's playing with Joe Burrow, he's a top five running back.
44:10And there's almost no competition. A lot of that is defenses being like, does Burrow have the patience to dink and dunk his way down the field?
44:18Like, if we take away Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins, can we just make Burrow hold on and hold?
44:23Is he actually going to have the patience to check it out?
44:27He is by far the third thing. The fourth thing you are thinking about if you're a defense.
44:32You're like, fuck, Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins.
44:35Oh, yeah. I guess Chase Brown's over there. Yeah.
44:38You pick your poison at every defense. It's like him.
44:40We're going to pick him. And he's just like top five every time he starts and finishes a game with Joe Burrow.
44:47It's weird. Yeah. He was over 300 touches last year.
44:50Quietly. He was the RB2 with Burrow. Two. Two.
44:53Two. I think you got to take Chase Brown over Devon HN.
44:56It's as painful as that sounds. I don't have it ranked that way right now, but just talking about it, I think I got to switch it.
45:04It's weird because let me ask if the weird thing about ranking HN2 is that the Dolphins are like the Cardinals.
45:10God, I can't say Dolphins. Even I heard at that time.
45:13Dolphins. Dolphins. Dolphins. Dolphins. Dolphins. Is that a New York accent or do I just have a speech impediment?
45:19It's New York. Dolphins. Golf. The Dolphins. Golf. I don't know why that.
45:23Almond. Almond. That's, I'm right. You're not. Encourage. Almond.
45:25Do I pronounce the letter that's in the word?
45:28Yeah. Oh, don't give me. Don't fucking give me that.
45:31Okay. Most of the time. Like English is not a trillion.
45:34Most of the time. Please. Okay. Find me another word that an L is in the second letter and you don't pronounce it.
45:41Palm. Second letter. In your hand. Second letter of the word.
45:44Third letter. But it's, what? But it's the sound.
45:47Palm. No. A-L-M and almond. Palm. It's the same structure.
45:50Also, it's palm. It's not palm. So you're not even saying that right.
45:54See, really? Palm. There's no way. I've never done it in my life.
45:57Palm? You say L? Palm of your hand. Palm of your hand.
46:01You put on a palm. Lip balm. Palm. Palm of your head.
46:05Lip balm. Palm of your head. Yeah, palm. Palm of your hand.
46:08You're starting to sound like you're from Boston. Palm.
46:11Palm. What's that? Palm of your- Chicken palm. I've never said the L one.
46:15Palm of your hand. Palm. Palm. That's wild. Do you say palm trees?
46:19Palm trees. Oh. What? Palm trees. That's the same word.
46:22You know why? I wonder if that's because- Palm trees.
46:25I do say palm trees. Yeah. But I don't say palm of your hand.
46:29Shit. Oh, wow. All right. I need to know if this is a New King or New York thing.
46:34Spend some time tonight in bed. Think about that.
46:37Ponder the universe. Shit. Anyway, I don't want Devon H.
46:40I- The one thing I'll say is it's weird because- Can I just say one thing about the chance that we regret it?
46:47Okay. You know how like Lamar, the Ravens signed Derrick Henry?
46:50And I think we accurately were like- That was the coolest thunder lightning backfield in NFL history.
46:55We're like, this is thunder and lightning. Lamar's the fastest quarterback.
46:58Derrick Henry's a unique player. Like there's never been anything like this.
47:02There's never been anything in NFL history like a Malik Willis, Devon H.
47:05and Reid option or whatever. Like that's not quite as sexy.
47:09But Malik Willis is the fastest quarterback in the NFL.
47:12And Devon H. is the fastest running back. I would care more if the Dolphins offensive line wasn't so whack and young and inexperienced.
47:19But I keep wondering about like if the Dolphins are going to suck.
47:22And then they'll be down so much every fourth quarter that like Devon H.
47:27is just going to catch all these checkdowns. But the idea of telling people, hey, you got one fantasy league you care about.
47:33Take Devon H. Because he's so good that when they're down 21 in the fourth quarter, he'll get all these checkdowns.
47:39Like I just- The idea of telling people that feels insane.
47:43So I don't know. Yeah, I also just don't know what to make of Bobby Slowick offensive coordinator.
47:48And Kevin Petulo, who was thrown overboard by the Eagles.
47:51I know, Petulo being there. Wait, and is Shea Waldron in Miami or is he in Jacksonville?
47:56He's in Jacksonville. Fade everyone. He's been promoted this year, guys.
47:59Yeah, I don't know. Anyway. The other thing about Cincinnati is like they didn't- They're not- They clearly think it's Chase Brown.
48:06They have- It's still just Samaj P. Ryan, who's 30, and Taj Brooks.
48:09Like- Yep. It's Chase Brown's world. Yeah, that's true.
48:12It's weird. I know. I have like a blind spot with Chase Brown.
48:16Let me like- So these are all second round players.
48:19These are all- If you got them in the second round, at the end of the second round, if Ken Walker, Hampton, H.
48:26Shannon Brown fell, you'd feel great. But paying the price they're going at feels a little weird.
48:31If Chase Brown won the Heisman at Ohio State and was a first round pick and then had the exact same first
48:37three years of his career that he had just had, would he be a first round draft break in fantasy?
48:43Yes. If he won the Heisman at Ohio State?
48:46100%. Same exact statistics on the Bengals. Same situation.
48:48He's probably going eighth. If not higher. Yeah, probably.
48:51But he didn't, Craig. That's fair. Because that matters.
48:54That means like he's not a- it's an environment thing, not necessarily a skill thing.
48:58And if he won the Heisman, I'm assuming he'd have better skill.
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49:53The next tier here is, so we have Josh Jacobs.
49:56We have Jeremiah Love for the Cardinals. We have Breece Hall for the Jets.
50:00Javante Williams for the Cowboys. Kyron Williams for the Rams.
50:03And then, I don't know, we have to edit there.
50:06Because then we have Travis, the artist formerly known as Travis Etienne, who's now Travis Etienne for the Saints.
50:12DeAndre Swift for the Bears. David Montgomery for the Texans.
50:15I kind of think we should cleave it somewhere in the middle there.
50:19These guys are all kind of lead backs with just multiple questions about them.
50:23Yeah, it's starting to get icky. I think there's a really clean top 12 at running back, and then you start to get worried.
50:30People are already pissed about Nate Hackett's quotes about Jeremiah Love.
50:33It's already everyone just mad. Just trolling everyone. These coaches can't help themselves.
50:37He was like, yeah, I'm super excited about James Conner getting in here.
50:41Yeah. You know, Jeremiah Love, he's definitely a rookie.
50:43It's like, okay, come on, guy. I wonder, is there any chance that second half of the season Jeremiah Love's the fifth best running back in fantasy?
50:51Is there any chance of that? Of course. I just think the Cardinals need to be better than I think.
50:57Because the question is just about Matt LaFleur. What if Matt LaFleur was a great coach?
51:02Sorry, I keep getting it wrong. Mike LaFleur. Matt's little brother.
51:05God damn it. I should know that as a little brother.
51:08But it's just that. Mike LaFleur is a way better coach than we think.
51:12His only stint as a coordinator was for the Jazz of Zach Wilson.
51:16I won't punish him because I think Zach Wilson sucks.
51:19My issue with the Cardinals and Mike LaFleur is they have the hardest schedule in the NFL for Warren Sharp.
51:25I don't know if they're favored to win any games.
51:28Maybe like two of the 17. My issue is everyone in the NFC West knows what Mike LaFleur is trying to do better than he does.
51:36Like Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan have a much better understanding of what Mike LaFleur is trying to do on offense than Mike LaFleur does.
51:43And then there's Mike McDonald who just beats the shit out of McVay or it certainly beats the shit out of Shanahan every year.
51:50And so my issue is trying to run a system like you're copying.
51:54I don't know. It's like trying to start a phone company and challenge Apple like Michael for having a set up shop
52:00in the NFC West is like terrible. And you look at everything they're doing and I just I think that's a very
52:07difficult situation to have success with with Arizona. But having said that maybe he's a great coach but I'm just very dubious
52:13that they go out there and also want to put a ton of tread on the tires for Jeremiah Love in a
52:20season that the Cardinals are tanking and probably want to go get a quarterback man.
52:24Like they probably want like 2027 assets. So I'm out on Jeremiah Love.
52:28I feel like long term he's going to have a great career but I feel like this is not what good rookie years look like.
52:35I don't know. But also Gentry's good for the second half.
52:38I don't like he's kind of one of those guys that's probably priced around where he's his ceiling is for this year
52:45because you know like environment wise the Cardinals could be really really bad.
52:49Like they did just resign. They renegotiated a contract with Jacoby Brissett.
52:52So I think he's going to be the starter probably the majority of the season.
52:57But you know they're playing a really really hard schedule.
53:00I think that could even though last year they played a ton of plays and had a ton of passes and things like that.
53:07There's probably going to be fewer possessions. They're not going to move the ball that well.
53:11This is going to be a not very good team.
53:14And then later in the season they might just see what's going on with Carson Beck and then that could be really bad.
53:21Dude, the teams the Cardinals have to play. Chargers week one.
53:24Seahawks week two. Niners week three. The Giants week four.
53:27They're only respite. And then it's Lions, Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs.
53:31We should do an episode in like late August where we've we identify the 10 players we hate the most this season
53:38and determine which one of them is going to be great.
53:41Or just what if you built the whole plane out of it?
53:44What if you just solely made a team out of the players we don't like?
53:49And then that was the key. Like three of them are on the Cardinals.
53:53But yeah, the Costanza team. Yeah, just stack the Cardinals.
53:56Anyone else in this tier stand out to you guys?
53:59I kind of wanted to talk about Javante Williams a little bit who I don't want to say is flying under the
54:05radar because I feel like people know he had a great season last year.
54:09And again, like his prices or where he's going in draft is like fine.
54:13It's like average. He's going. He's going 31st. So like third, fourth round, which maybe even feels a little bit steep.
54:20But like Javante Williams, 26 years old. Last year he had 1,200 yards.
54:23And 13 touchdowns on the Cowboys. Just kind of stepped in.
54:27Was the guy. Looked good. Was good. The Cowboys offensive line seems to be not back to where it used to be with Zeke, but is like improving.
54:35And as a guy who was just always on the field, he was like seventh in goal to go rushing attempts.
54:41He was seventh in snaps inside the five. He was ninth in rushing attempts per game.
54:46He was also fifth in yards after contact per carry.
54:49Like Javante Williams was very good last year on an offense that I trust with a quarterback that I trust in an environment that I trust.
54:56And I guess other than, you know, he had significant injuries earlier in his career, but I'm kind of like, is Javante Williams safe?
55:03Especially because you don't, there's not a lot of competition behind him.
55:07I mean, I think Jaden Blue is kind of projected as the number two guy there.
55:12They have Phil Moffa, Malik Davis, Israel Bonaconda, just a bunch of sort of rando guys.
55:16Um, and Jaden Blue is not the same type of running back.
55:20He's, he's more of like a change of pace type guy.
55:23So yeah, I think Jaden Blue is a change of pace electric game breaker.
55:27He's also getting patted on the back because he's more mature than he was last season when Jaden Blue, uh, he missed
55:34a practice in the middle of October because his custom Nike cleats, I think it was like Nike Balenciaga.
55:39They didn't fit. So he couldn't play. So he was like, I can't practice today.
55:44And like, they're like, you know what? The maturity is coming along.
55:47You think that's fair, Craig? Well, look, if the Balenciaga don't fit, what are you going to do?
55:52You're not going to show up with. That was what Johnny Cockard said.
55:56Yeah. So you must, you must quit. So, uh, the, I, to your point, I think that people look at it and
56:03like, oh, this is like a fragile backfield. Like Javante Williams could lose his job.
56:07But I'm like, I don't know. I think the Cowboys are pretty happy with the bell cow from top down.
56:13I think Jerry Jones, I think, and then frankly, Schottenheimer, uh, Brian Schottenheimer.
56:17I don't know. All these coaches seem pretty comfortable giving me a ton of carries.
56:21It's weird to think the Cowboys could be the best offense in the NFL on that.
56:26They're running back for the Cowboys could just be like outside the top 40 picks.
56:30Yeah. They signed him to an extension. He didn't, he like didn't catch a lot of passes last year, but he's a guy who has in the past.
56:39Like he's had 50 catch seasons, Javante Williams. So this is something I didn't know about Javante Williams.
56:44Once again, citing Rich Rebar, he has great stuff.
56:47If Javante Williams, I didn't realize is one of the least productive receivers ever for running back.
56:52If you just look at guys who had 25 catches in a season, Javante Williams last year had under four yards a
56:58catch, which is the second worst mark ever, which I'm not going to lie.
57:02I didn't realize that he was that bad with the ball in space.
57:06Like the year before that, he averaged 6.7 per catch.
57:09Okay. No. Can we do 6.7, 6.7? We're not engaging anymore with that.
57:13That part. That part? Yeah. I actually agree. Javante stands out as he's like the James Cook guy.
57:18Yeah. I'm just like, I don't know. He'll have the exact same season.
57:22It's like there's every year there's one guy at each position who's regression proof and will actually just be, do the exact same thing.
57:29Someone's going to do it. I like, I look at him and I'm like, I guess once again, other than maybe you're,
57:35you're worried he's going to get hurt. I don't see like a lot of issues there.
57:40I'm like, yeah, I guess I'll just take them.
57:43So does this tier end? We have Josh Jacobs, Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall, who, not for me.
57:48Javante Williams, Kyron Williams. And do we end the tier there?
57:51Probably. And we cut off ETN, Swift, and Montgomery.
57:54We had Travis H in there. But I mean, Alvin Kamara's like not retiring.
57:58We kind of thought he was. I mean, Alvin Kamara.
58:01The Saints thought he was. Dude, the idea that Alvin- Everyone thought he was.
58:05Well, apparently Gail Benson, the owner of the Saints, got involved and she wanted him to stay because she understands about selling tickets, which she's right.
58:12My thing is, are you pulling Alvin Kamara on passing downs?
58:16Like, is he going to be less than the third down back?
58:19I'm like, no way. Right? So are you pulling Alvin Kamara at the goal line?
58:24There's a chance that Travis H. Yeah. Like, there's a chance that Travis H.
58:28And you have to play him every. And again, I'm saying he changed.
58:32He wants the pronunciation of his name reverted back to how his family pronounced it.
58:36I'm very close to just saying no. So I think.
58:39So I think the answer is speaking of people's name, you can't pronounce.
58:43Because pot calling the kettle. Like, I think that Dabo Sweeney, the king of can't pronounce his name, couldn't get Travis H.
58:49And's name right and called him Travis Etienne. And then he had to roll with it because he was at Clemson.
58:55And he just because Dabo couldn't get it right.
58:58Which ironic because I don't think any coaches had a harder name than Dabo Sweeney.
59:02By the way, Travis has a brother, Trevor Etienne.
59:05Did he change his name too? Or is he still going by Etienne?
59:09Oh, interesting. Fuck. He's on the Panthers, right? Yeah.
59:12I'm like, can we ask him what he thinks?
59:14He's probably just like, I don't care. Just tell me.
59:17He's like, I'm not famous enough to be able to do that.
59:21The problem is we have to acknowledge it every time now or else we look like we don't know what we're talking
59:27about to a certain percentage of people. If Devon Achan didn't exist, this wouldn't be an issue.
59:32But because now it sounds like we're just conflating two players every time we're messing up.
59:37Yeah, it sounds like we're dumb. Yes. So I'm very close to just being like, it's Etienne.
59:42To be clear, I am dumb, but it's because I didn't really pronounce the L in Palm.
59:47That's why I'm dumb. But anyway, my problem is I feel like- Are you saying Pam?
59:51It's two M's. Pam? Are you saying Pam? Pam.
59:54Pam. Pam? Oh, there's two M's. No, there's just one M.
59:57I feel like Travis Etienne is probably going to be really- I was really excited about him before Kamara, but the idea
60:04that I could watch him beat David Montgomery and just kind of plod along on first and second down, Kamara gets all
60:10the catches and Kamara gets the goal line work, is like, man, that would suck if you took Travis Etienne in round
60:17four and then he just kind of- Yeah. You know, grind it out 85 yards for not having that many catches and not having- I don't know.
60:25I just- that really- having- you don't want to have a franchise legend around who's like really good at all this.
60:31Catches were three times more than a carry. Etienne had six touchdowns in the air last year.
60:36If those evaporate, it's going to be tough. So I don't know what to do with him.
60:41We'll see how- maybe Kamara's totally washed and is a figurehead.
60:44Maybe we'll see what happens. You're right, Jake, that this tier should be Josh Jacobs, Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall, Javante Williams, and
60:51then Kyron Williams, I think we can discuss because he's a guy who, if you base him off past performance, 100% should be in this tier.
60:58He might even be in the one above that.
61:01Right. But the Blake Corum, is this ever going to happen thing is still in people's minds, even though we've been saying
61:07this, that he's going to lose his job, but he never really does.
61:11I love Corum. It's a mix of two issues I have, which is guys- running backs that coaches love don't just lose
61:18their jobs, but also- Especially because things aren't going wrong for the Rams.
61:21Like, everything's good. You know what I mean? Like, they're great.
61:25Kyron Williams is 25 years old. They extended him.
61:27I don't know why they would make a significant change unless Blake Corum is so undeniably good that they need to force him onto the field.
61:35And I think that's why Kyron should be the tier above, because you wouldn't take DeAndre Swift over Kyron.
61:41You wouldn't take David Montgomery over Kyron. Like, I think the next tier should be, it's lead guys of a committee that you have questions about.
61:48Travis H. Yann, we have to, you know, is he going to get passing and goal line work?
61:53DeAndre Swift for the Bears, which is, you know, I think the- can that happen again?
61:58What happens at left tackle when the Bears don't magically have like a perfect line solution again?
62:03And also just Kyle Monunga. Does he play more at the goal line?
62:07David Montgomery for the Texans, which is like, do the Texans figure out their offensive line?
62:12And can Montgomery actually make it through a whole season as the main guy?
62:16And then I think the question, and then if we want to put Bucky Irving in there, I don't know.
62:22Man, Bucky's fallen so far here. Bucky's in a really interesting conversation to have.
62:26He's, he's, this is an impossible decision with Bucky.
62:28I can't tell where I was at. I originally came in being like, is this guy like a really obvious by low bounce back?
62:36But then I'm like looking at the guys going around him and I'm looking at what Tampa Bay did.
62:41It's so fascinating because his rookie year, I mean, he had 1500 yards, he had eight touchdowns.
62:46He just looked amazing. Fourth round pick in real life.
62:49Who's, he just came out of nowhere and was immediately great.
62:52And then last year, you know, Liam Cohen leaves and then the whole Bucs season was kind of a mess.
62:58Bucky Irving had a bad shoulder injury. He had a foot injury.
63:02There was just a lot going on. Baker got hurt.
63:05The offensive line got hurt. Both tackles were hurt last year.
63:08The two guards had season ending injuries. Like it was a mess.
63:11But now it's like, you know, they brought in Kenneth Walker.
63:15I mean, sorry, Kenneth Gainwell, who they gave two years, 14 million bucks.
63:18The Steelers MVP, Kenneth Gainwell is now on the Bucs and you think, oh, well, I mean, shit, is Kenneth Gainwell going to get all the passing work?
63:27Is Kenneth Gainwell going to get a lot of the stuff inside the 10 yard line?
63:31Which Bucky Irving was not a guy who saw a lot of that work last year inside the 10.
63:37But then you think, well, his rookie year, he was with Rashad Wright and they almost split carries and Bucky Irving was still fantastic.
63:44And the Bucs offensive line is still very good if they're healthy.
63:48So I kind of can't tell which Bucky Irving narrative I want to believe.
63:52I mean, they gave Ken Gainwell 10 million guarantees, 7 million a year.
63:55I think what that money is for is so Baker Mayfield doesn't get that shit kicked out of him.
64:01Like if you just watch Baker last year, his best and worst quality is the willingness to take punishment.
64:07But he does need an outlet. And what the Buccaneers were missing because Rashad White went to Washington.
64:12I think, you know, you say it as a joke, but Gainwell did win the MVP for the Steelers for a reason.
64:18It's hard to win Aaron Rodgers' trust. You have to know your shit as a running back for Aaron Rodgers to have
64:25you in protecting like functionally the end of his career if he takes another hit.
64:29And I think the Bucs need that for Baker because the other running backs in the roster, Sean Tucker is not going
64:36to be that guy in passing down work. And I don't think they can.
64:40I think they feel that Bucky unreliable feels mean.
64:43But like there was weird stuff with his injury.
64:45I think he might have taken a beat to tell them about the full extent of his shoulder.
64:50I don't really understand what happened there. He had a really bad season.
64:54There was also reporting that he was having some issues with like mental health as well.
64:59I think there was like a basically a sprinkling of everything that could go wrong last year with Bucky Irving did.
65:05He still averaged 20 touches a game, which I think is worth saying, which is fourth in the NFL.
65:11He played 10 games, so he didn't play a full season, but he averaged 20 touches per game.
65:16This is to me. It's impossible. We don't know what's going to happen.
65:20It's impossible to tell you what's going to happen.
65:23I think if you look at the rookie year stats, the rookie year advanced stats, Bucky was one of the best running backs in the NFL.
65:30And then his second year advanced stats, he was one of the worst in the NFL.
65:35I think he's probably somewhere in the middle. I think he's probably better than what he was last year.
65:40I do think Gainwell last year, I think he averaged like seven targets a game.
65:45Or what did he have? He had, you know, he's like basically Aaron Rodgers, number two receiver because he, Aaron Rodgers just
65:51wanted to get rid of the ball. Aaron Rodgers was literally dead last in the NFL and attempted air yards per air yards per 10.
65:59Yeah. Ken Walker like turned into Wes Welker last year.
66:02I mean, Ken Gainwell. Yeah. Because Rodgers is doing one and a half reads.
66:06He's looking where he wants to go. And then he gets like, if the second guy isn't there, he throws it.
66:12And Baker Mayfield, by the way, is kind of the exact opposite of that.
66:16Baker is always trying to push the ball down the field.
66:19He's fucking ripping it, man. He just wants to rip it.
66:22Do you want me to do this again? He's fucking ripping passes.
66:26That's all he wants to do. I don't know if he's going to really like be like relying on Gainwell that much.
66:32Does Baker, do you think Baker rips passes more than any other quarterback in the NFL?
66:37And if so, who's number two? Who's number two?
66:40Who rips the second most passes? Fucking Matt Stafford.
66:42Who rips the second hardest? Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford is probably arguably rips passes harder than Baker Mayfield.
66:48If we're being honest. Rips passes later. I love that video of DK just saying Baker rips passes.
66:53He's supposed to get back there and rip passes.
66:56He just wants to. He's going to be ripping passes until the day he dies, man.
67:00But yeah. No, I think. So that to me is like a very big difference in terms of the tenor of the offense, I guess.
67:08It's like Baker Mayfield wants to rip the ball down the field, as stated.
67:12And Aaron Rodgers last year was just trying to get rid of the ball before he gets clobbered.
67:17There's a huge difference. And so I don't know.
67:20And then the other variable here, which we didn't mention, is Sean Tucker is kind of their red zone guy.
67:26He's good. And he's just a hammer looking for a nail.
67:29He just wants to fucking. He just runs through people.
67:32He's an old. He would have fit in with Mike next to Mike Allstott.
67:36Sean Tucker is like this old school guy. He was undrafted, but only he had a heart condition that came out right before the draft.
67:43But he would have been like a fourth or fifth round pick.
67:47Like he just rips carries. Rips carries. So I don't know what the hell to do with Bucky Irving.
67:52I think there's a world in which he gets much closer to what we saw as a rookie.
67:58And he's one of the better running backs in the NFL.
68:01I think that's a distinct possibility. And Kenneth Gainwell ends up not being not all that useful.
68:06He's kind of he goes back to what Rashad White was sort of.
68:10And then. But there's also a world in which Bucky just kind of gets phased out of all the important.
68:16And at least in fantasy, important touches, which is catches and goal line stuff.
68:20So it's it's this is a tough one. We'll have to figure out where to rank Bucky right now.
68:25Are we putting him in? Are we putting him in the same tiers?
68:29Travis H. And Swift and Montgomery. I think it should be with Travion Henderson, Quinshan Judkins, Scadaboo and Mermondre.
68:35Yeah, probably. You don't think all those should. I feel like all those are just together to me.
68:40Like if somebody wanted to take Travion Henderson over David Montgomery, like I have no problem with that.
68:45That's fine with me. OK, I'm OK with that.
68:48The anyone in this tier stand out to you.
68:51It's a funny tier. The one below it? No, it's just so it's H.N.
68:55Swift, David Montgomery, Bucky Irving. We're adding Travion Henderson, Quinshan Judkins, Cam Scadaboo and Stevenson.
68:59I'm not objective. How do you Craig? How do you feel about Scadaboo?
69:03I know I was listening to you guys talk to Josh and Hayden about Scadaboo.
69:07I'm so fucking in on this guy. I want this maniac on my team.
69:12Are you kidding me? I don't give a shit about his ankle injury.
69:15He just did a backflip and fell and he was fine.
69:19That makes me feel good. When Benson Boone does it, little flippy boy, you hate it.
69:23But when Scadaboo does the little flippy boy, you love it.
69:27Does he have a knee or an ankle? He broke his tibia.
69:30He broke his tibia. So both. But it was fine.
69:33He looked fine. Also, he jumped too high. He said he was on a, he didn't realize he was on like a WWE style bouncy mat.
69:41So it elevated him higher than he thought. Anyway, dude, I just want this.
69:45This type of guy wants to score more fantasy points than I want him to.
69:49And he didn't even realize it. Like Cam Scadaboo will fight for every yard.
69:53I want him on my team. He was the RB seven in six healthy games last year.
69:58Like this guy gets six. He gets the ball a ton.
70:01He's a fucking maniac. He can catch passes. He was, by the way, he was on pace to, to be fourth among
70:08all running backs and receiving yards last year. He was on pace for 500 yards.
70:12I'll be at the only, it was only six full games he played.
70:16Cause the other two, he got hurt basically. And he only played four games with Jackson Dart, but like the Tyrone Tracy thing.
70:23I don't care. I think Scadaboo is going to be better with Greg Roman.
70:27And I just want this crazy motherfucker on my team.
70:30Dude, I couldn't agree more. You know how all the old heads in every sport are kind of like, you guys couldn't have played back in my day.
70:38No one's ever said that about Cam Scadaboo. He's just fucking crazy.
70:42And I want him. He's going to be good.
70:44If he's on the field, I guarantee you he will be good.
70:48At fantasy or in real life? Both. I agree.
70:51He's fucking nuts. And that's huge. If he can start the game and finish the game, I see no world in which
70:57he's not scoring 15 fantasy points a game. Like, I just think he's going to, he's going to do it.
71:03They're going to get in the ball. He's crazy.
71:06All of the things that you're saying are true.
71:08And that's the reason I don't want him. Cause he's crazy.
71:11Yeah, dude. I want him. Who cares? That's why like Chuba Hubbard's ranked lower.
71:16Chuba Hubbard probably believes in asthma. That's why we can't rank him as high.
71:20Yeah. Whatever, dude. Scadaboo is your third running back.
71:22He's like the perfect spot for him to be in.
71:25He's just like the crazy wild card on your team.
71:28I want that. Yeah. You need one crazy guy.
71:31I mean, look, I'll be at six games, not a huge sample size, but he was a rookie and he played six games.
71:38Well, wait, speaking of which, did we talk about the- He was the RB7 in those games.
71:43I mean, the team sucked. I have to pull it up.
71:46Did you see the boy math he did with his yards for this year?
71:50You know, I love the idea of Scadaboo doing math.
71:53Did you guys hear this? Is boy math a thing that I missed?
71:57Is that a phrase that I'm not aware of?
71:59Boy math? Oh yeah, there's girl math and there's boy math.
72:03I didn't know that. I don't. Oh, come on.
72:05Please email us examples of girl math and boy math if you're listening.
72:09That would be really great. If any of the seven are listening, I want girl math.
72:14I also want boy math. So Scadaboo, this is- God, I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet.
72:19And I can't believe I get to tell you guys this.
72:23This is a quote from Cam Scadaboo. I had 400 yards and 100 carries.
72:27So when I play 17 games, it's going to be 300 carries for 2,000 yards.
72:31That's wrong. I had 100 carries for 400. It should be 300 carries and 1,200 yards.
72:36Maybe he was factoring in receiving. Look, we can't speculate what he was factoring in.
72:40That makes me like him more. Like he thinks he's going to get to 2,000 even if it doesn't make any sense.
72:47Like I love that. It's like 60% of the time it works every time.
72:51Yeah. Did you also see the Matt Nagy PTSD thing?
72:54No. I wanted this to be fake so bad.
72:56Matt Nagy for the Giants offense. Oh, I did see this.
73:00I saw this. He had a PowerPoint. I can't believe the Giants are still fucking doing own goals from inside their building.
73:06He had the presentation. It was physical, tough, smart, detailed.
73:09Physical, tough, smart, detailed. P-T-S-D. Oh, my God. That's like an arrest in development.
73:13Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
73:16Well, and then did you see Harbaugh's speech that looked like he forgot he had to speak that morning?
73:21Oh, yeah. New York Giants. The New York Giants are in this room.
73:25The Giants. He's vamping while he figures out. Everyone's like, yeah, dude, we've fucked for 20 years.
73:30What are you talking about? It was crickets in there.
73:33Sounds of silence. The only exciting thing anyone said to me is that if Greg Roman only does the run game and
73:40Matt Nagy only does the pass game, they actually could be pretty good together, which made me happy.
73:45So maybe if they just don't speak and they just separately.
73:48I will say the PTSD thing. Just when I was starting to talk myself into fan brain, the Giants will be good.
73:55I'm very worried. I kept waiting for someone to identify it as AI.
73:58And it just, to my knowledge, cannot be emphasized enough.
74:01Enough that chiefs were just like, yeah, you can go.
74:04We're fine. Is the new I got hacked. It was AI.
74:08A hundred percent. Right. A hundred percent. Hacking is like a joke.
74:11Like I was, no one's believed that a long time.
74:14AI. It's like, man, that's a lot of work to prove.
74:17I don't know how to prove that anymore. You watched the John Harbaugh speech on a scale of one to 10, 10 being physically painful.
74:25You have to turn it off. How bad was that speech?
74:28In the context of what an NFL coach should be doing, I thought it was like an eight.
74:33Like NFL coaches are pretty good at this stuff.
74:36Like that's kind of their whole thing. Especially a fucking Harbaugh.
74:39Like on the Harbaugh scale, it might've been a 10.
74:42He's been coaching for like 25 years. Everything his brother says makes me want to run through a wall.
74:48He just like, Jim Harbaugh coughs. And I'm like, I'm ready to go.
74:51And like John Harbaugh speaks. You're like, geez. I was like afraid he was going to get the name of the team wrong.
74:58Like he had to remind himself. He was like, we are the, we're the New York Giants.
75:03And I was like, we're the Giants? We're the Giants, right?
75:06He's like wearing a purple hoodie. He's like, oh wait.
75:09We're the Giants. We're the Giants? We are the San Francisco Giants.
75:13Oh my God. I don't know. There's so many fucking parallels to the Pete Carroll era in Las Vegas.
75:18I'm like starting to get really nervous for the Giants this year.
75:22It's tough. Yeah. He's 63. That's not that old.
75:25Isn't Tom Cruise 63? Yeah. He's fine. He's fine.
75:27Although Tom Cruise is playing an old man in a movie, so.
75:31Dude, that movie, Craig looks insane. Which guy? Well, it's a, it's a made up character.
75:35It's a movie called Digger. You know, he's basically playing Jerry Jones.
75:39That's who he's playing. What? Like an oil guy buys a football team?
75:43I don't think the football team thing is part of it.
75:46He's an oil man. It's like a rich billionaire old oil man from the South.
75:50Who's like fraudulent investments are potentially going to lead to like a cataclysmic climate issue in the world.
75:56But his like behavior and his style, it's like kind of Jerry Jones-ish.
76:00Yeah, yeah. Oh wow. So it's like Landman Jerry Jones.
76:02Yeah. Paul Totley, there will be blood. It's like Landman Jerry Jones made investments that's going to cause like the oceans to
76:09rise so much that the world's going to end.
76:12It's kind of sick. Yeah. Do you see France as a fire cloud?
76:15Excuse me? There are these wildfires in Europe that are super rare.
76:19A lot of once in a century things happening all the time now.
76:23So France says, I was reading the New York Times like just kind of, I wasn't like reading it all smart.
76:29I was just scrolling. I was going to say, okay, flex.
76:32I know I do kind of scroll through the New York Times now.
76:36Reading is like the wrong word. I was scrolling, but like trying to scroll a different app for once.
76:42Yeah. It's like I was playing Wordle, but yeah, it was technically.
76:45I was playing Wordle and by accident, I saw that France had a fire cloud.
76:50I was like, what'd you say? And they said, there is this thing called, so apparently wildfires can create their own weather.
76:56And it said, we're dealing with this rare phenomenon of a pyro cumulonimbus cloud.
77:00It's called a fire cloud. Fire cloud. It's literally a fire cloud.
77:04And it's a cloud not made of fire, but it rains fire instead of rain.
77:08It rains lightning bolts and fire, but not water.
77:11It's like that quote from Armageddon where he's like, okay, so pretty much the scariest environment imaginable.
77:16Okay, got it. Jason Statham. Are you serious? You're joking?
77:19Oh, I'm joking, but like you believe it. I did believe you.
77:22Is it too late to get it in the Tom Cruise movie?
77:26Because that would be great. Green light that fire cloud starring Jason Statham is immediately $200 million.
77:31Lock it in. That's amazing. Dude, I think all the time about this thing.
77:35Shea Serrano said, which is like, why do they give Jason Statham movies names?
77:39Just call it Jason Statham seven. Jason Statham eight.
77:42I'm going to go see Jason Statham nine. Like that would be so much better than having to tell me about like the beekeeper.
77:49All the names like don't even make sense. He has a new movie coming out this summer called mutiny.
77:54It's like, just call it Statham nine. Call it Statham nine.
77:57Like that's fine. I would love Statham 14. Like that.
78:00That's fine. Yeah. I do recommend the beekeeper for parents who don't understand how scams work.
78:05If your parents open phone calls and are like responding to scam texts, just show them the beekeeper.
78:10Okay. Because it's like about that. That's good to know.
78:13I was a Statham fan way back in the day with like Italian job.
78:17Dude, the transformers. Not the transformers. Fuck the transporter and the Italian job back to back.
78:22Dude, handsome Rob and the Italian job is amazing.
78:25Italian job is great. It's been a while since I've seen it.
78:28I should rewatch that movie. It's so good. TK, you seen that?
78:32Which movie? Italian job. Yeah. Have they done that in the rewatchables?
78:35I like that movie. No. Wow. It's a very much movie.
78:39I know. It's kind of a classic. You'd think that.
78:42I mean, Mark Wahlberg. You'd think Charlize is in that movie.
78:45Oh my God. Yeah. It's great. Snatch is my favorite least quotable movie ever because I don't know what anyone's saying at any given time.
78:52But every time they do say something, I remember it.
78:55It's 100% quotable for everything they say that I remember.
78:58I saw this. I don't know if it's true.
79:01I didn't fact check it. But basically, they made Brad Pitt's character, Mickey the boxer, into an Irish traveler because he couldn't get the English accent down.
79:09So then he just said, like, everything he says is unintelligible in the movie.
79:13He's charged. Brad Pitt just... It's an all-time closed captioning movie.
79:16You really need it. Yeah. I hate having that on, but you need it.
79:20It's like what Austin Powers and his dad are trying to speak.
79:24What are they doing? Old English? Shat on a turtle.
79:27Shat on a turtle. Like, that's basically just the Brad Pitt thing.
79:30They're speaking the Cockney rhyming slang. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, that...
79:33Oh, my God. We should do fantasy analysis with them.
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80:13I guess we have to finish these tiers. Where are we at?
80:16First people to ever go from Shashad on a turtle to Chuba Hubbard, who's the running back for the Panthers.
80:22And then we have Jalen Warren, Tony Pollard, Titans, and then Basial Tootin and the Jags.
80:27And then we can keep going if you want.
80:30But I have the tier as basically, if these guys are in your lineup week one, it now starts to feel gross.
80:36Which is like Chuba Hubbard, Jalen Warren, Jadarian Price, or Tony Pollard.
80:40If you're week one, have these guys in your flex, now you're like not feeling sick.
80:44This is like everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face tier.
80:49These are the fringe guys. You talk yourself into them.
80:52The last guys you could probably put in your flex and think it might work out.
80:56You're convincing yourself. You're like Chuba Hubbard. The guy behind him is Jonathan Brooks.
81:01He's played like three games in two years. That's fine.
81:04Jalen Warren, you're talking to yourself in a Hilby, Kenny game, Will Ferron Rogers.
81:08Jaren Price, first round pick for the Seahawks. There are reasons you can find.
81:12You're looking for reasons now instead of finding fears.
81:14You're now kind of looking for a story to tell yourself.
81:18But they could be good. Yeah. DK, what's the Jadarian Price buzz?
81:21You in or you out? It hasn't been great so far yet.
81:25I would say that. Why? We're just getting the shit kicked out of the pass protection.
81:29No, there was like, there was a report yesterday.
81:32So today's Monday the 27th. There was a report I think I saw yesterday that he like missed a pass or two or something.
81:39He was messing up in the passing game. But this was truly the first couple of practices of OTAs or training camp.
81:46We don't have to quite worry about it quite yet.
81:48But it's one of those things where, I mean, last year the Seahawks platooned Kenneth Walker.
81:53And, you know, this guy's a rookie, unproven, didn't have a ton of carries in college.
81:58He might not get the volume that you're really needing from him in this offense.
82:02And that's why I think he's priced where he is.
82:05Even though he's a first round rookie running back, typically those guys would be way higher, I feel like.
82:11But, you know, it's one of those things where you just don't really know how he's going to be used.
82:17It's weird because the Seahawks admitted they kind of wanted to trade back and not take him in the first round.
82:23It's also weird. Also, when I say he's getting the shit kicked out, I don't mean, I guess I should have been
82:29clear because they don't have any pads on. But the Seahawks, if he is able to learn pass protection against the Seahawks
82:36defense in practice, you're ready for anything. But, yeah, I'm a little dubious.
82:40I think he's a better receiver than people think, actually, Jadarian Price.
82:43But I'm skeptical that he'll just like be immediately a receiver.
82:46But, yeah, maybe it ends up being the goal linebacker.
82:49The Seahawks just don't have any other running backs, man.
82:52Because, I mean, Kenny McIntosh is like could be a pass protector, but he tore his ACL like last July.
82:58You got George Alani, who I actually think is good, but he's been a journeyman is the wrong word.
83:04He hasn't done much at the NFL level. Yeah, but he's a late round pick that has come in and shown he's
83:10been pretty good in the times that he's had opportunities, but it's been few and far between.
83:15And Zach Charbonne will come back from an ACL Halloween?
83:18Like they're saying October. I'm like he tore his ACL in the divisional round.
83:22Like, you know, the Seahawks are going to have to go at least six weeks without him.
83:27So I don't know what they're going to do.
83:30Yeah. But it's a weird situation. Tony Pollard just feels like we should be excited, but I'm not.
83:35And then Basial Tootin is the other guy where he reminds me of Colson Loveland, where I thought that Basial Tootin would
83:42be like my number one sleeper entering the season.
83:44And then I just didn't realize how long the line would be.
83:48He's like a top 60 player. And Basial Tootin on some platforms is going over like Joe Burrow and Jaden Daniels, which
83:54is not what I thought would happen. And I feel unprepared to draft him there.
83:59Yeah. I think running backs in general are just going very early this year.
84:03I think like everyone is sprinting to get running backs.
84:06I mean, looking at all, like I said, Chase Brown is going 15th overall in drafts.
84:10Like even Scadaboo, who I just talked about, is coming off a horrible injury, is going 35th overall.
84:16Like these guys are not, you can't really get a lot of value out of any of these guys.
84:21And so I do wonder if the strategy this year is if every analyst at every platform has kind of agreed to go heavy running back.
84:29I do wonder if you're in a three receiver league with a flex, if the move is to go receivers this year, just solely to zag.
84:37It's a little scary. If you're in a two receiver league, it's still tough because I'm like, there's so many good receivers
84:43you can have in those two spots. And the replacement value is so high.
84:47But if you're in a three receiver league, I do kind of wonder, I am thinking about it, where it's like, just
84:54kind of like blindly trust your gut and walk away.
84:57If you have the last pick, I'm like, you could just walk with Justin Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb and not think twice
85:03and just deal with running back later. And again, it's been remarkably a healthy position the last two years.
85:09And part of me is like, maybe avoid the dart throws of who's going to stay healthy, who's not.
85:14But I know it just feels like every one of these guys that you want is going to be like kind of
85:21a reach in terms of where you would expect to get them.
85:24Fun. Like the only guys who are not reaches, I guess, are just the guys who are in the first round because
85:31you literally can't reach to take Tristan McCaffrey or something like that.
85:34So maybe it's like you spend your first round pick on a running back and then you let it sit for a
85:41while and go after a bunch of receivers. Yeah.
85:43The barbell theory. It's like a lot in the beginning and a lot late.
85:47And it's like, you know, we call it a hero running back or whatever.
85:52But I do think maybe one or two running backs in the first three rounds.
85:56And then these guys are not as excited. And you come back around, there are guys like this next group is like
86:02Archie Harvey on the Broncos, who I think everyone wants him to be like Camara.
86:07And I'm like, he's just Aaron Sprouls to me.
86:10I think he's overrated. Blake Corum, who I love, but needs to beat Kyron Williams.
86:14I think if Kyron Williams got hurt, Blake Corum would be great, even though I'm very excited by Blake Corum.
86:20Rico Dowdle, who is on the Steelers now. Aaron Jones on the Vikings.
86:24Jordan Mason on the Vikings. Kyle Monunguy on the Bears, who's like the David Montgomery light for the Bears.
86:29J.K. Dobbins, who I don't think will ever stay healthy.
86:32Rashad. I mean, he's literally never played 12 games in a season at starter.
86:36Rashad White, who's signed with Washington. And then Jonathan Brooks, who's like, if you're going for upside, like on paper, Jonathan Brooks
86:43for the Panthers is a really exciting player. And Jonathan Brooks was the second pick who tours ACL, then retours ACL.
86:49And now he's played three games in two years.
86:52And I'm like, maybe he wins the Panthers job.
86:54But I mean, he had never even played in training camp until this week.
86:58So, yeah, I don't know. I'm very I'm not as excited about this group at all.
87:03I agree. These are all these are all high, high variance guys.
87:07And you can't really expect a whole lot from them.
87:10And like, you know, like what's the Rico Dowdle situation?
87:12Are we excited about that at all in Pittsburgh?
87:15I think it's going to be a continued split.
87:18And I think Jalen Warren is going to get a lot of the passing work.
87:22And Rico Dowdle is going to be the early down guy.
87:25And he'll probably be good. I think Rico Dowdle is good.
87:29And I think he proved that he was good last year and even on Dallas a little bit.
87:34So, like, I think they're going to be a good one-two punch, which has been the case with the Steelers for a while now.
87:41It's this one-two punch thing. Jalen Warren is not a three down guy.
87:45So they kind of need somebody to pair with him.
87:48So, yeah, he'll have moments and he'll be fine.
87:50And I think he'll get a lot of rushing yards.
87:53But passing game, I think we will limit him.
87:56It's not the Steelers' offense. It's the Aaron Rodgers' offense.
87:59And if Aaron Rodgers decides he wants to have Jalen Warren on passing games, passing downs will be Warren.
88:04And if he wants Dowdle on passing downs, it'll be him.
88:08But all the value in this offense is going to be Aaron Rodgers checking the ball down when he doesn't want to get hit.
88:15Jalen Warren, in theory, makes more sense. But Rodgers likes who he likes.
88:19And so we'll have to figure out who his guy is.
88:22And we'll probably know, honestly. But you have to just – I do not want anybody on the Steelers that Aaron Rodgers does not have a rapport with.
88:30It's never worked out well. And like we'll get – as the offseason rolls on, training camp is just starting.
88:36Like we'll get deeper into like sleepers and things that could pop and stuff like that.
88:41But yeah, like these tiers – we'll put these on our Instagram so you can see the official tiers because I'm sure
88:47that it sounded confusing trying to follow this listening to us.
88:50I do want to just mention a couple sleepers to get out of here that I do think are like really good.
88:57People that are like free. Like handcuffed guys like Tyler Algier is like backing up.
89:01You know, Jeremiah – he might play for the Cardinals, which is weird as a – you know, he might be a starter.
89:08We have to figure out what's going on with Tyler Algier and James Conner in Arizona.
89:13Keaton Mitchell could be Devon HN for the Chargers.
89:15He also could be the third down – could lose third down work to Kamani Vidal.
89:20Like there's a lot of sleepers. The guy we have not mentioned is Jonah Coleman, the running back for the Broncos.
89:26He's like not being drafted. I could so easily see Jonah Coleman being like the waiver wire guy of the entire year
89:33solely because the Broncos are expected to be great.
89:35I think Archie Harvey's Darren Sproles and I think J.K.
89:38Dobbins. He's again, literally never played – J.K. Dobbins has never started 12 games in a season.
89:43He's been hurt every year of his career. Jonah Coleman is like Cam Scadaboo.
89:47We joked all draft process. Jonah Coleman is like the thinking man Scadaboo because he has the bulk to be in between the tackles.
89:54He actually does create explosive plays even if he's not fast.
89:58He wins with power. And Jonah Coleman is the pass protection and receiving.
90:01He has the rare mix of things that play as a rookie.
90:05And Jonah Coleman, I'm like when J.K. Dobbins gets hurt, I think Jonah Coleman is like the starting running back for the Denver Broncos.
90:12And he's like not even being taken right now.
90:15So I think that's the guy I like the most as a sleeper.
90:19I like that. I really liked Coleman coming out.
90:21And he does the little things running back in this class.
90:24He's not explosive, but he breaks tackles. He pass protects.
90:27He can catch the football. He's smart. I could see him endearing himself to the coaching staff.
90:32And there's a big variable here, which is Sean Payton's not calling plays anymore.
90:36We'll see how that goes. But yeah, they're expected to be a very good team.
90:41They're going to be protecting a lot of leads, very likely, and trying to run the ball down the stretch in game.
90:47So he's a very interesting one to me. Yeah.
90:50Any other sleepers you guys like before we get to the hot quarterback rankings?
90:54The real reason everyone's here. No. Like? No. Okay.
90:57Hot quarterback rankings. Yes. Let's fucking go. Continued. Respectfully, let's fucking go.
91:00Before we even get to the hot quarterback rankings, we have to talk about something that happened while Craig was in Hawaii,
91:07which is that Jimmy Garoppolo is open to playing after considering retirement.
91:10Kind of ruining everything for us. Oh, no. Jimmy Garoppolo.
91:13The whole reason we did the hot quarterback rankings was because Jimmy G was retiring.
91:18What do we even do if he doesn't retire?
91:20He's not going to be a starter, so it doesn't matter.
91:24I mean, it does matter. Come on. Well, maybe whoever the seven elect as the new hottest, maybe we have to then
91:30put them up against Garoppolo for a new vote.
91:33We could do like UFC as like interim titles.
91:35Like basically like when the contender can't fight, there's like an interim champion.
91:39Yeah. Well, it's like you have to beat the champ, right?
91:42To take the belt. Maybe whoever wins, then we put them up against Jimmy G in a kind of final showdown.
91:48And they'll get slaughtered. Well, maybe. We don't know.
91:51Oh, my God. Okay. So we'll see. He hasn't signed yet.
91:54I think he has to sign. So we're still going to keep going with the hot quarterback rankings.
92:00Can I ask a question? Did the seven vote Shador Sanders?
92:03Is he included in this or no? Some people put Shador and some people just solely out of spite put Deshaun Watson last.
92:10So some people did not include Shador because they didn't think he'll be the starter.
92:14Yeah. Some people had. Yeah. Some people put both.
92:17Some people put neither. But some people put Deshaun Watson last solely to be mad at him.
92:22But if Shador, let's say he did chart high enough, would he be included or no?
92:26No. I can tell you that Shador receives enough votes that he was ranked in this exercise.
92:31It wasn't like eight. Yeah. It was dozens. More than dozens of people.
92:35We had a pretty sizable amount included. Yeah. That is a wild card right there.
92:40Interesting. So with that said, are you guys ready for the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth hottest quarterbacks in the NFL this
92:46season as determined by all seven women to listen to the fantasy football show?
92:50We're getting so fucking close. Yeah. We're going to have Mina Kimes on to do the top four next week.
92:56This is as good as it gets. Top eight.
92:59These are hot men we're discussing. So just to recap, just to recap the hots.
93:03Just do 15. Start with 15 and work your way down.
93:06So the top 15. Well, the sixth team was Jackson Dart.
93:10Oh, that's 16, yeah. 15 was Tyler Shuck. 14 was Jaden Daniels.
93:1313 was Brock Purdy, which DK had 32nd and Craig had like eighth or something.
93:1810th, yeah. Bryce Young was 12. Matt Stafford was 11.
93:21Baker Mayfield's 10. Caleb Williams was nine. A lot of people thought that was too low.
93:25Are you guys ready for the eighth hottest quarterback in the NFL?
93:29Oh, man. Lay it on us. Lay it on us.
93:32Yeah. Craig, did you cheat? Because the answer is it is Shador Sanders.
93:36Oh, is it? Wow. Did you cheat? No, no, no.
93:38To be honest, I had him fourth, and I was worried that he wouldn't be included.
93:43And then we were going to have to be like, well, Shador technically should probably be like a top 10 guy.
93:49I think he's a very handsome dude. He's very handsome.
93:52And I argue eight's a little low. Right. Shador is very handsome.
93:56And if only he were better and not on Cleveland.
93:59I think Deshaun Watson ruined it for Shador. Yeah.
94:01The stink of Deshaun, I think, is on Shador.
94:04It's true. Fuck. It's the Cleveland stink and the Deshaun stink is on Shador.
94:08Also, he's bad. But if he were good, I mean, someone put, they said Shador has a megawatt smile.
94:14Yeah, he's got a great smile. He's got a incredible smile.
94:17It looks real. He doesn't have veneers even. Yeah, right.
94:20He could be like, he's like an actor. This is like, as we get into the top few here, it's like veneers are like fake boobs.
94:28Those things are all natural, baby. Look at those chompers.
94:30They're all natural. They're all natural. Yeah, they feel like bags of sand.
94:34Yeah, I mean, I think he definitely deserves to be on this list.
94:38But yeah, it's tough because he has so many things working against him in that he's next to Deshaun Watson every day.
94:45He's on the fucking Browns. He's also not very good.
94:48The Browns stink. So it's like in a vacuum, he's definitely a good looking dude.
94:52But everything around him is a mess. Can I read you some of the comments The Seven wrote about Shador Sanders?
94:58Please do. Megawatt smile and an unexpectedly measured temperament through the ups and downs of his rookie year help his case for hotness.
95:05But Shador was not alive for 9-11 and is therefore a baby and as such can only be cute and not hot.
95:11The one thing that I did not consider when making my rankings, perhaps naively, is the age thing.
95:17I kind of was just like, does this guy have charisma and is he physically hot?
95:21I did not consider like he's a boy, so I'm not attracted to him.
95:25But he's not babyface. Like Cam Ward is babyface.
95:28Cam Ward could pass as a high schooler. Like Brock Purdy is babyface, but Shador I don't think is.
95:34The other, someone else wrote about Shador Sanders. Hot but selfish in bed.
95:38Okay. By the way, I'm looking this up. He might have veneers, so I take that back.
95:43No. Already? It's hard to know. I mean, who can tell, really?
95:46Let me get my eyes on these warlocks. The way that they sit, Craig, do those look real to you?
95:52I don't know. Interesting. I'm saying maybe he utilized veneers strategically, possibly targeting only highly visible front teeth.
95:57Interesting. It's like when there's a boob job, but they're not like outrageously big.
96:01It's kind of like a tasteful boob job. It's just shape.
96:05Anyway, who knows? It's just shape. I can't tell.
96:07Fuck. Well, that's the sign of a good veneer.
96:10I don't think they are. They are, but that's, I don't know.
96:13I don't think they are. He also has like his dad.
96:17There's like a diva quality to him. You know, there's like a movie star flashy kind of like.
96:22It's one of those where you're like, oh yeah, his dad.
96:25And then you see him and you're like, this man, whether or not you like it, believes that he's like the most
96:32famous and important person in the world. And it's a little infectious.
96:35Yeah. Like he's a likable guy when you hear him talk, if you don't kind of already hate him.
96:41Like he does have charisma, whether you like it or not.
96:44Yeah. I agree. I think he should have been even higher than this, to be honest, but I'm fine with it.
96:50So Craig, where did you have him? I had him fourth.
96:53Yeah. I need to pull up. We also don't talk enough that his dad had the chutzpah to give an interview where
97:00he was like, man, Shador, when he goes number one in the draft, we would never let him go to a team like Cleveland.
97:07And then he fell with the fifth round and then went to fucking Cleveland anyway.
97:11Yeah. Legit worst case scenario. Yeah. Unbelievable. I'm looking at our rankings.
97:15Only TV named. We had him sixth overall, collectively.
97:17I had him sixth. Craig had him fourth. Heifetz a little bit lower, but still in the top 10.
97:23He's a good looking guy. Yeah. There's no shame in it.
97:26I mean, someone else wrote that about Shador. You wouldn't text your friends about it, but you would answer the text.
97:32Okay. I love the extremely specific scenarios. That's great.
97:35All right. What do we got next? Next up.
97:38Number seven. Hottest quarterback. Can you guys guess? I'm going to say Dak Prescott.
97:42Yeah. Or Herbert. Number seven was Jordan Love for the Green Bay Packers.
97:46Oh, Jordan Love. Interesting. This one was my blind spot.
97:49I had no idea how popular Jordan Love would be.
97:52This is... Dude, none of us did. We all kind of had him lower.
97:56We had him 15th, 17th, and 12th. Totally whiffed on this.
97:59I had no clue that women would find Jordan Love so attractive.
98:02Yeah. He looks pretty good in that beanie. These photos are nice photos right here.
98:07The two I'm looking at. Very serious looking. Yeah.
98:09So it's funny you say that. One of the comments on Jordan Love was he looks better when he's stern.
98:15Stern. But I do like that his smile looks a bit like Andy Samberg.
98:19I kind of think he looks like... Andy Samberg.
98:22Wait, what? I don't know. I don't know. Random.
98:25Like a big smile. I always kind of thought he looked like the dragon from Shrek.
98:29Someone wrote that he looks like the asparagus from VeggieTales.
98:32Let me show you this dragon from Shrek. Kind of has like a long, thin face.
98:37That is so random, Craig. Green eyes. Yeah, the green eyes.
98:40You know what I mean? Yeah. That's Jordan Love to me.
98:44I can kind of see it, I guess. Super.
98:46Super specific. He can be a dragon anamorph. What did the seven say about Jordan Love?
98:51Among the comments for Jordan Love, no notes. No.
98:54None. Someone said, you're swiping left. Oh, I just...
98:56I actually got that wrong. There. That was somebody who didn't like him.
99:00Oh. I just put you're swiping and I just read it.
99:03I forgot that was mean. Jordan Love said, he should be hotter than he is and I don't really know what's wrong.
99:10Which I actually thought was also an incredible encapsulation of his actual career.
99:14Hmm. Hmm. That is. It's meta. Someone was like not...
99:17Someone said hot without the aura. Someone also just put hot comma sometimes, which I also thought was really good for his career.
99:23Yeah, I agree with that. Someone wrote not confident enough of a smile.
99:27And then someone said, he's just hot. A man with a nice smile.
99:31Love his smile. Got a sneaky bonus points for having a cute maternity photo with his partner.
99:36I will say though, a lot of the comments were amazingly similar to the actual thoughts on Jordan Love, which are really
99:42good tools, but people wish he could put it all together.
99:46Hmm. Do you think that it makes any difference that his name is Jordan Love?
99:50It's a good name. Like that's a hot name.
99:53It is a good name. Jordan Love. It is...
99:55Would I say that it is the hottest name of any quarterback in the NFL?
100:00Right? That's like the coolest, hottest name. I mean, it has to be.
100:04I mean, he also has a lot of top five votes.
100:07Like he was very popular in this exercise. That's interesting.
100:10Yeah. Because the comments are sort of milquetoast a little.
100:13I know. Yeah. Jordan Love. Well done, sir. Yeah.
100:15Almost very, very, very few bottom 10 votes. These maternity pictures are very cute.
100:19I'll give him that. Just, yeah. He looks, he looks, yeah, he looks really good in this maternity photo, I say.
100:26Handsome. The fatherhood looks good on you, man. There are moments I agree when he looks very good.
100:31And then other moments where I'm like, eh, top 10.
100:34I don't know. He's also, he does his hair differently a lot.
100:37He's very stern and not always smiling. So it does kind of depend on the picture you see.
100:43He does have a lot of different pictures. Like he does have huge variance picture to picture.
100:48Yeah. I have to say. I feel like I don't know very much about him for like.
100:53Yeah. How good he is and the team he's on.
100:56He's pretty quiet. Yeah. Just like, I don't know anything about Jordan Love.
100:59He is from Bakersfield, which is an interesting place.
101:02And also where Derek Carr is from, I think.
101:05Jordan Love. Yeah. This one shocked me. I won't lie.
101:08But I, but he is very tall, but I also feel like height hasn't been.
101:12He's very tall. Worked in. So what's weird about this is I think if people saw them in person, he'd actually go even higher.
101:19Because of his stature? He's six foot four. He's well built.
101:22This was a big miss by us. The fact that we had him 13th collectively.
101:27The biggest. It's a big miss. Oh, is this the biggest miss that we had, Heifetz?
101:31I think so. He can't tell us that. Even Utah State photo is pretty good.
101:36Not including the fact that DK had Brock Purdy 32nd.
101:39Outside of that, probably. Well, that mathematically is going to be hard to beat.
101:4330 seconds. I was a little harsh on him.
101:46All right. Okay. Okay. The sixth hottest quarterback in the NFL.
101:49Just missing the top five hottest quarterbacks in the NFL.
101:52Is none other than Tua Tungo-Vailoa. Yeah, Tua. Really?
101:54The other person I had wondered. Complete blind spot for was Tua.
101:58I think Tua is very handsome. It had never occurred to me.
102:01I didn't even rank him. I had him. Well, I had him 21st.
102:05So I guess I probably should have ranked him higher.
102:08I kind of was just like in my head, he wasn't a starting quarterback at the time.
102:13I think I made this ranking. That's I think that is the thing here.
102:17I had never even looked at him. And then I had to relook.
102:21And I was like, oh, I get it now.
102:24But he's a handsome guy. Never even occurred to me that Tua was handsome.
102:28Are we on veneer watch? No. Let's see. Big, nice smile.
102:31But I don't know if that's. Oh, I don't know.
102:34They're pretty white. They are really white. Maybe he's just got really great dental.
102:38Tua is sixth. He's the sixth hottest quarterback. Sixth hottest quarterback.
102:41I think he does have veneers. Well, he's in Miami.
102:44I mean, Miami. I love that they're the boob job for men.
102:48Like a hair transplant kind of in there, too, I think.
102:51Sure. Sure. Yeah. You know, you think he got a hair transplant?
102:55No, I'm saying veneers and hair transplant. Oh, yeah.
102:57Yeah. Like new things that men can do to improve their looks.
103:01It's very true. Yeah, that's male. I mean, Tua is a nice looking dude.
103:05I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if he's six.
103:08So he's kind of short, too, which is a little surprising.
103:11I guess that doesn't matter in this list is much.
103:14Some of the comments on Tua face. Face card is elite.
103:17OK. Someone said strictly. I have concerns. They said, listen, I have concerns.
103:21Strictly off attractiveness, though, to a strong showing. Very strong.
103:24Yeah. Other comments said to a very hot. Wish he was better at football so he'd be on my TV more often.
103:31OK. Someone said to an attractive man with an amazing smile, even when he has three picks in a concussion.
103:36Yeah. Harsh, but perhaps fair. Someone said, and I thought this was funny.
103:40Someone said to. I wish he talked less to the media.
103:43Right. Right. Right. I think that's that's also echoes his sort of career thing.
103:48Like you just if you if you just be quiet, it'd probably be better off for you.
103:53Yeah. Someone literally said the appeal is there under the right circumstances.
103:56Scheme fits critical. Can absolutely outperform expectations under the right conditions.
103:59Depends heavily on lighting, personality and hoodie selection. Hoodie selection.
104:02So I do think system player. I think he has a good beard situation.
104:06He knows what facial hair works like. If you look up a photo of him without a beard, it's not as good.
104:13I feel like he's got a he figured out his beard.
104:16I feel like he figured out his hair. Good call.
104:19He's got a lot of different hair hairdo styles.
104:22Yeah. But he like pictures. It works. He knows what he's doing.
104:25He knows. Also, when he's look not under Brian Flores to it.
104:29Also, like Bryce Young, happy, smart, does smile like a happy person.
104:32Yeah. Used to smile and be happier. People got mad at him for smiling too much on the sideline.
104:38I think. Exactly. You know? Family man. Sure. He makes you feel safe, but also dangerous.
104:43You know? I never thought about it. He's a handsome guy.
104:46The one with the face paint. The first photo with the face paint, I think, really like I get that's where I get it.
104:53The backwards. I think I would put him. I think I would put him 11.
104:57I would have given him. I'm surprised who is so much higher than like Caleb Williams.
105:02I know. This is probably the most shocking one that we've had so far.
105:06I didn't expect. Love and Tua. They're keeping us guessing the seven, you know?
105:10Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So are you guys ready for top five?
105:14This is the last one, right? Yeah. Craig, by the way, you moving him to 11 moves him to 14 on our list.
105:21Okay. So we're not that far off. I mean, six is high.
105:24Yeah. Okay, fine. We basically called him average and they're saying he's.
105:28Elite. We're saying he's a touch out of the, he's almost the top five hottest quarterback.
105:33Okay. I didn't expect that. Yeah. So who do we have left?
105:36We have like Burrow, Hertz. We have Josh Allen.
105:39We have, we have, we have Dak Prescott. We have Herbert.
105:42We have Trevor Lawrence. I feel like we have not enough people here to make all these, these guys that are your name.
105:49And I don't think Lawrence makes it. By the way, two of my buddies bet $25 that Lawrence would be in the top.
105:55So whatever we're talking here, top eight. So that's, there's a lot of money riding on that one.
106:01I think I have an idea of who the remaining five is.
106:04I just don't know the order. If they want to cut me in on that, no one knows the order.
106:10So if they want to, yeah, loop me in.
106:13Um, we have, so Hertz, Allen, Burrow, Herbert. Dak.
106:15Lawrence, Dak. Those are probably the big, the most notable remaining names.
106:19So yeah, I'm starting to think Trevor Lawrence is not there.
106:22Yeah. And yeah, it's going to be Herbert or Dak next at five is my guess.
106:27You know who I think is kind of a wild card?
106:30Actually, not really, because I think Heifetz already kind of gave this away.
106:34But like, if people were judging it solely on looks, younger Aaron Rodgers, I thought was like a pretty good looking guy.
106:40Yeah. Young Rodgers is fine, but old Rodgers. He's a pretty haggard looking at this point.
106:45Um, anyway, this will be interesting. The ayahuasca is good on the soul, but perhaps not the skin.
106:50But yeah, he was a good looking dude back in the day.
106:54That should be the pot announcement on Instagram. I think the, the things that he's kind of in the two of a
107:00camp, the things that he's said over the last few years, probably not helping a lot.
107:05Like what? You know, you know, Craig, I don't have to say it.
107:09He is inoculated against criticism in this. No, no, no.
107:12Immunized. He's been immunized. Sorry. Immunized. Who is going to be his running mate again?
107:16I can't remember. Probably somebody really smart. Can anyone do an impression of that guy?
107:21With their head on straight. Someone who definitely doesn't have a weird thing for dead animals on the side of the road.
107:27All right. I want to know five. I'm saying Dak or Herbert.
107:31Wait, are we going? Are we doing another one here?
107:34Yeah. I thought we were done. This is bonus points here.
107:37The fifth, the fifth hottest quarterback as determined by the seven is Dak Prescott.
107:41Quarterback. Dak. Dak's good looking. He's got a real beefcake energy.
107:44He does. Did you see the picture of him recently?
107:47His arms are fucking huge. He looks like he looks like a bodybuilder.
107:51Like he could be like a stunt double for the rock.
107:54You know, right? Like he has that build, that frame.
107:57It's a thick boy. He's thick. You guys think of the bald head?
108:01What do you think of the bald head? Like, no, because he had he didn't always have it.
108:06I think it looks great on him. So someone commented that for having no hair, Dak has a good face shape and beard to make it work.
108:14It's true. The beard, like he's got the Statham thing where he looks great with a bald head.
108:19Really great mustache when he wants it. Like this guy could be the new Tom Selleck.
108:24Look at the jawline on this guy. Yeah. No, Dak has.
108:27Dak also is like kind of intense in the energy.
108:30Someone wrote. Love the R. Except when he yells, here we go.
108:34Here we go. Just because, you know, voice cracks a little bit of an ick.
108:38But I otherwise I think this is the I think this is the right answer.
108:43Dak also like in person is like he's just an intense guy.
108:46He's got command. He looks intense. He also he's he's all natural.
108:50Definitely no veneers on this guy. Also has a cool name.
108:53Yeah. Great name. Dak Prescott. Like that's like Vin Diesel.
108:56Dak Prescott. You know, Dak Prescott. Is he going to go into acting after this?
109:00His name is Dakota, right? Yeah. Dakota Rain. Ready?
109:03Oh, no, it's his name is Rain Dakota Prescott.
109:06Oh, yeah. It's Rain Dakota. Good call. Rain Dakota.
109:08I mean, even Rain R. A. Y. N. E.
109:11Is cool. Dude, we're trying to give all these guys cool names.
109:14Dak's just shedding good names. He's got too many.
109:17He should give rain to someone who needs it.
109:20We had to rename a quarterback rain. Rain Love.
109:22Give it to Michael Penix. Michael Rain. Oh, you're making it the last name.
109:27Sure. Why not? Daniel Jones. Rain Jones. Rain Jones.
109:29Now he's cool. I don't like how you changed the name Daniel.
109:33That's kind of rude. Rain Jones is good. What's the insinuation there?
109:36You changed the name Daniel. Yeah, you didn't even go by Daniel.
109:40You were Daniel until you were like 25. No, I'm just saying that's my name.
109:44And Craig chose to choose that. Why don't we call you Daniel on the podcast?
109:49Yeah, well, you're not Daniel. You can call me Daniel.
109:51That's fine. No, it's not. Some of my friends call me Daniel.
109:55Caleb Williams. If I called you Daniel, you would comment on it.
109:59Here, Caleb Williams. It's just like you're mad at me.
110:01Rain Williams. Rain. Oh, I'm thinking of Rain Wilson.
110:04I was trying to be like, who's the famous Rain?
110:07Oh, Rain Wilson. Yeah. Dwight. Dwight. Yeah, that's tough.
110:10Yeah. Do we get any comments? Wait, sorry. We already did those.
110:13No, no. We haven't done a Dak comment. From the sevens?
110:16Okay. Someone just wrote, Dak kind of looks like a shark.
110:20Ooh. Complimentary. I get that. Someone wrote, trying to say this respectfully, but Dak is proportionally captivating.
110:25Okay. I didn't know what that meant, and I wanted to guess.
110:28Trying to say it. If you took away the trying to say it respectfully, I'd think it was a compliment.
110:34Is that like, yeah, I was like, are they saying he's fat?
110:38Are they trying to say this about his bulge?
110:40I don't even know what that means. He seems like he's got a large head, but he's also got a large body, so it's okay.
110:48Yeah, I don't even know what that means, proportionally captivating.
110:51Has this person spent a night with Dak, and they can attest to how proportionally accurate he is?
110:56Who can say? Yeah. I don't know. Someone also said the Lowe's commercials moved him up the list, which again, blew my
111:02mind, because I actually think he's terrible at the Lowe's commercials, but what do I know?
111:07I can't even remember this. Doesn't he also have like a mattress thing?
111:11Doesn't he do mattress commercials? Yeah, he did the sleep number.
111:14Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He did a lot of ads that one year.
111:18Yeah. And then someone just wrote, imagine if he had any charisma whatsoever would do wonders.
111:23I will say this. I think Dak was more punished.
111:26The real comments was how many people were like, I don't want to rank him this high because I hate the Cowboys, but I will.
111:33So I think he overcame the Cowboy bias, which I thought actually spoke volumes.
111:37Totally. I get that. He's a handsome guy. Fourth round pick.
111:40Is he going to be the lowest drafted quarterback in the top five?
111:44Probably by a significant amount. Well, no. Yeah, we got Jalen Hurts as a second rounder.
111:49So yeah. Yeah. Okay. Any other thoughts? So Dak at five, Tua at six, Jordan Love at seven, Shadur at eight.
111:55I was shocked by Jordan Love and Tua. Same.
111:58Dak, I think, is in the right spot. And Shadur, this is why I don't understand women.
112:03I'm just surprised that Shadur is below Jordan Love.
112:05I agree. And Tua. I just. Yeah. But again, I think we young men, I think we're viewing it more objectively.
112:11And I think that they're factoring in other things.
112:14That's true. And I will say, Shadur does on the photo look boyish.
112:18Whereas Jordan Love, he does look more like a man, like an older guy.
112:22Like an older guy. Yeah. I don't know. Dak, I think Dak also looks most like a man than any quarterback.
112:28Dak, if you were going to be like, rank these guys by like, who could chop down a tree?
112:34Yeah. He's bringing on the bacon. This guy. Yeah.
112:36Who could pick me up the easiest? Dak. Make me feel small.
112:40You know what I mean? Yeah, I think you're right.
112:43He's a throwback man. Women just want to be picked up.
112:46You know what I mean? Dak can do it.
112:49Yeah. Who could pick me up, set me on the kitchen counter?
112:52Dak. Yeah. He's going to be good for all these memes.
112:56Yeah. All right. Thank you to The Seven. That's right.
112:58Shouts out to The Seven. You know, there's a great bar in Boston called The Sevens.
113:03We should go there. Ooh. Oh, wow. Okay. And Beacon Hill.
113:06I've been a couple times. Maybe that's our next.
113:09That's where we got to. We should meet The Seven at The Sevens.
113:13Yeah. We'll do a Sevens meetup. Yeah. I'd say we bring Drake May too, but he probably is not old enough to get in the bar.
113:21No. Shador couldn't get in. Brock Purdy. No way.
113:23No. DK would have to say it's his son.
113:26Brock Purdy could be DK's son. Okay. Thank you to all seven of our women listeners who emailed in their rankings.
113:32Once again, great work. The final four next week.
113:35Next job. Woo. We're at the final four. Thank you, DK.
113:38Thank you, Craig, for coming back from Hawaii. I was worried.
113:41Yeah. Yeah. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Abu.
113:44Thank you to Nikhil. Thank you to Austin. Thank you, Carlos.
113:47Thank you, everyone, for listening. Email us for... What did we ask for?
113:51Not Jason Statham related. What do we want? I still want punishments for the Ringer Fantasy Football League.
113:56We have some of those. I'll read them this week.
113:59And did we ask for... What was it? I don't know.
114:03What else did we ask for? Also, by the way, you guys on one of the other episodes that I wasn't on
114:09talking about names that are appropriate to the highest degree.
114:12Usain Bolt. You're right. That's number fucking one. That's a big one.
114:15All time. Tony Hawk and Usain Bolt are as good as it can get.
114:20Yeah. Never topped. I don't remember what I asked for.
114:23So that's too bad. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Millennial Bangers continues.
114:26Guys, it's July 27th. And so I think we only have one more after this, which is sad.
114:31It's been really fun doing this. I'm going to make a playlist, I think, of Millennial Bangers and share it with people.
114:38That's a good idea. I'm going with... We're going back to 2007.
114:41We're hanging out with DJ Feli Fell. Get Buck in Here.
114:44An absolute banger of a song. Get Buck in Here.
114:47Get Buck in Here. It also features P. Diddy, unfortunately, as well as Akon, Ludacris, and Lil Jon.
114:53This song rips. This is like a high school basketball warm-up top 10 song.
114:57It was in that era where if you listen to it...
115:00Just a bit. It's just, we're going to get Buck in Here.
115:03That's basically it. It's like... It's fucking dope. Still bangs.
115:06They don't make beats like that anymore. And it's also like...
115:10It's from the era when you would hit plan a song.
115:13For the first 15 or 20 seconds, it was just all the producers and DJs on it saying their name before the song started.
115:20It was just like, DJ Feli Fell. It was like, I don't think they're ready for this one.
115:25It's like, Akon. DJ Khaled's like, we the best.
115:28It's like there's like 15 seconds of that. And then the song plays.
115:32It was a good era. It was great. There was a time there during the Napster years.
115:37I don't know if you guys got to experience those.
115:40But where a lot of songs would have remixes and all the DJs that would remix the downloaded songs would be shouting
115:46out their names and stuff like that. That's what it was like.
115:50I mean, DJ Khaled got two... He would yell, we the best and DJ Khaled.
115:54Also, he took it from the beginning of the song to every verse and every chorus.
115:59He'd be like, DJ Khaled. We the best. Well, that was like the whole Lil Jon.
116:03What? Akon would do Akon and he would do Convict Music.
116:07Right. So people get in their shit. Well, you got to bring the producer and the label.
116:12You got to get both in. Mike Jones. Come on.
116:15I'm going to be honest. This one wasn't really in my world.
116:18I got to tell you, I've never heard this song.
116:21What? I'm trying. I have been. I'm very honest about this.
116:24Wait till you get to the 18 second mark when the song actually begins.
116:28Elite. I mean, I can see the appeal of this song for sure, but it never really.
116:33It wasn't part of my life. Damn. Also, just the phrase get buck in here is so 2007.
116:39Yeah. Get buck in here. DJ Felly fell. A bunch of white kids running out for California high basketball with the ripoff pants.
116:45Throw those off. This song's going. Everyone's doing layup lines.
116:48Fire it up. Till I Collapse is coming next.
116:51It's great. Till I Collapse. Come on now. Till I Collapse.
116:54Stop. Elite. Elite high school warmup song Till I Collapse as well.
116:58Damn. All right. You did have to build to Till I Collapse because you couldn't just play that first because then I
117:04would just run through a wall 20 minutes to the game.
117:07You had to build to Till I Collapse. Na, na, na, na, na, na.
117:12That is the most. There is no three seconds in humanity that's more important than the beginning of that song.
117:17Till I Collapse, I'm going to go 08. Oh, it's 04.
117:21By Fitz? It's 2002. Holy shit. It's 02. Yeah.
117:23Dude, Till I Collapse, dude. That song. That is like maybe the most important song to my childhood.
117:29Till I Collapse, Banks. Yeah. Like if you could draft songs that you would play before a high school game, like basketball,
117:35football, whatever, like that's the first pick. It's missing a key element though to qualify as a millennial banger.
117:41There needs to be 10% unintentional comedy that comes with the song.
117:44Right. Till I Collapse is just cool. Yeah. It's just cool song.
117:48Get Buck in here is kind of hilarious, but it also bangs, which is why it qualifies.
117:53Dude, Ludacris is on this with Ludacris. This is just like off-brand.
117:56Lil Jon, Akon. Swagger like us. This is Diddy, Akon, Ludacris, Lil Jon.
118:00That's when you can't get Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, Kanye, and Eminem.
118:03Yeah. But wow. Who is DJ Felyfell? Who is this guy?
118:07You don't know DJ Felyfell? I have no idea who DJ Felyfell is.
118:10Man, dude. Who is he? DJ Felyfell. He's a DJ.
118:13No shit. James Andrew Rygart. I have no idea who he is.
118:17I mean, all I know him is by that name.
118:20I have no idea what he does. I don't know anything about him.
118:24He did finer things with Kanye and Jermaine Dupri, fabulous at Neo.
118:27Wait. He peaked atop the bubbling under hot 100 chart?
118:30What the fuck does the bubbling under hot 100 chart mean?
118:33People are just outside the 100. Isn't there a top 200?
118:37I don't know. They'll call you number one in the hot under?
118:40What the hell? Maybe it's like rising stars. I don't know.
118:43He had a cameo as himself in Malibu's Most Wanted.
118:46Hmm. Fascinating. I don't know if that's good or bad, but yeah.
118:50Anyway, if you're going for a run, toss on Get Buck in here.
118:54It'll be a blast. He also did It's Your Birthday Bitch with Lil Jon.
118:58Oh. Lil Jon is a real one of one.
119:00Dude, nobody ever liked him. There's no one like Lil Jon.
119:04Lil Jon made a song that's just called Shots, and it just goes, Shots, Shots, Shots, Shots, Shots, Shots, and it was huge.
119:10That song actually takes me back to, you know, partying and shit.
119:14That one, this one doesn't mean anything to me really, but.
119:17Dude, did you know that Lil Jon is 55?
119:20I mean, yeah, dude, he's been around. Shots, Shots, Shots, Shots.
119:23The song Shots is with, it's LMFAO and Lil Jon, and it's called Shots.
119:27Yeah. Yeah. Also, what was great about 07 in that era was like, all the rap was so happy.
119:33Like, all it was about was like, we're going to go out tonight, we're going to get drunk, we're going to have the best night ever.
119:40This is so fun. Like, that was just all the songs.
119:44Yeah. Like, I feel like early aughts, it was a little angrier, and then it started to move into like, man, we're
119:50just, we're drinking drinks and we're dancing and it's the best.
119:53And that was just like every song. It was fucking great.
119:56You think that's what's wrong with rap now is that the Gen Z rappers don't know how to socialize?
120:02It's too moody, yeah. Yeah. The Gen Z rappers.
120:05None of them drink anymore. It used to just be slow ride of being like, this club can't handle me.
120:11This is so fun. Tao Cruz was like, tonight is dynamite.
120:14Like, that was it. Fucking great. It is very true, Craig.
120:17Like, it started out like the club beats. I don't even know what to call this shit, but like, it's like hip hop.
120:24And the idea was like, it's going to be a club hit.
120:27And it was like, in the club is what I immediately think of first and foremost.
120:32And that song is like more, it's like meaner.
120:35I don't know how to express it, but yeah.
120:37And then, yeah, you get into a few years later.
120:40It's angrier. Yeah. Angrier, yeah. And then it just became like Akon and Jayshan were just like, man, what a good night we're having.
120:47This is awesome. Black Eyed Peas were just like, tonight's going to be a good night.
120:52Did you see that video? I sent you the video on Instagram of Will.i.am explaining like some of the lyrics.
120:58It kind of blew my mind when he's like.
121:01I did see that, yeah. When he was like, what is it?
121:04It's like, Mazel Tov. What's the song? It's I Got a Feeling.
121:08I Got a Feeling. And he's like, Mazel Tov.
121:10And that is a, he said he took that sequence from, oh no, now it's going to bother me.
121:16No, I totally know what you're talking about. Fill up my cup, drink.
121:20Mazel Tov. And he picked this because it's the right amount of synonyms.
121:24It's a reference to Psycho Killer because he's like, it was like.
121:27I mean, syllables, Jesus Christ. The song? Yeah. So it's basically, he's like, he's like, Psycho Killer, Kiss Kiss Say.
121:33And he's like, and he took basically that melody.
121:36He's like, yeah, foreign word with how many syllables?
121:38Kiss Kiss Say, Mazel Tov. So he's like, you don't think you've ever heard anything like that, but you have.
121:44And he had all these references and I Got a Feeling too.
121:48Oh, that's kind of cool, yeah. Psycho Killer. And the other one was, I think, September.
121:52Yeah, I don't know. It kind of blew my fucking mind.
121:56The Earth, Wind, and Fire song? Yeah. Yeah. He was mentioning something about singing the days of the week.
122:01Because that's in my mind. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
122:04Friday, Saturday, Saturday. Saturday. And then Sunday. Sure. Goodbye, everyone.
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