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0:23For The Ringer Fantasy Football Show, my name is Danny Heifetz.
0:26I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck. And today we are going to talk draft strategy for this year.
0:31We're just going to tell you what to do and who to take because at the end of the day, that's kind of all it is.
0:39And we're going to actually just tell you strategies and then we'll just give you names.
0:43And that sounds about right, right? Yeah. And Heifetz will provide his phone number so when you're actually drafting and you have
0:49a question, you can just call him. I feel like half the battle with being a fantasy analyst is just people just want someone to blame.
0:56So like sit start advice. It's like, I don't know what to do.
1:00So you tell me what to do. And that way I can get mad at you if it's wrong.
1:05We should set up a fire number that you can send, you can take a picture of your drafts and be like, what grade would you give it?
1:13And we just automatically text back A plus. Yeah.
1:15Wow. You crushed it. You got him then? Damn.
1:18I do think historically, if you draft off of our rankings, you get a terrible grade in like whether it's Yahoo or ESPN or whatever.
1:25We're just different. Yeah. Against that site's rankings. And we're like, don't use the site.
1:29So the site's going to hate your draft. Yeah.
1:31But that's the point. So the people get upset.
1:34It's a rite of passage if you listen to our show.
1:37We're going to get a draft strategy and then the end of the show, we're going to have Bill Simmons on.
1:43So Bill Simmons is going to come on. We don't know why.
1:46He just said, I have to talk to you guys about something at the end of your show.
1:51So classic Bill saying, you don't know what the segment is, but I'm going to come on and we're like, okay.
1:57Really? Cool. All right. So we're going to get into that and some news.
2:01Stefan Diggs signed with Washington. But first we're going to take a quick break.
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2:34Draft strategy, Bill Simmons. But first, Stefan Diggs signed with Washington Commanders.
2:37Brandon Ayuk kind of blew that one. Felting knees in a Walmart.
2:41They asked Adam Peters, the GM of Washington, if they ever take social media into account with signing a player.
2:46And he said, oh, yeah, usually not. No. Yeah.
2:49He was like one word, one little phrase at the very end where he was like, usually, usually not.
2:54So the Washington side, Stefan Diggs. I mean, it's interesting to me for the NFC East and for fantasy in general.
3:00But I'm curious. We have to. We purposely did not talk.
3:03Where do you guys want to rank Diggs? We kind of avoided doing it until he signed.
3:08So now that he's on Washington, obviously, Terry McLaurin's the number one and Diggs is two.
3:12DK, where do you want to put Diggs in our rankings at fantasyfootball.deter.com?
3:16I don't know. I think he's probably in. He's probably honestly not that far behind Terry McLaurin now.
3:21I don't know what he does to McLaurin. I think he does drop McLaurin down a little bit.
3:26But I do. I do think he can still play.
3:28You know what I mean? Like, and he's been pretty much everywhere he's gone.
3:32He's been productive and he's elevated the quarterback play.
3:35You know, you can talk about his personality and whether that wears on people.
3:39He's kind of moved around a lot in the league.
3:41Why? Because of the four teams in four years?
3:44Yeah. So he's a little bit of like a mercenary at receiver.
3:47But everywhere he goes, he like I said, he raises the floor.
3:50I feel like of the quarterback and he's probably going to be productive.
3:54So whether that's like, I don't know, in the 80s, where do you guys think?
3:58Like just off the top of my head, I'm like somewhere in the 80s, maybe.
4:02Yeah. Looking around. I do agree. I think 80s.
4:05I basically was like, which guys here looking at fantasy pros ADP?
4:08Like what? I'd take Stefan Diggs over. I'm looking at Chris Godwin at 91.
4:12I'm like, I think I know Stefan Diggs. Would you rather have Cortland Sutton?
4:16It's exactly where he is. I don't know. Michael Pittman.
4:19I'm like, give me Stefan Diggs. Yeah. I think like the 80s, I'm starting to look at Alec Pierce, Jordan Tyson, Parker Washington.
4:25Then I start to slow down. So I think around the late 80s, early 90s range.
4:30Dude, Diggs, there's a world where Diggs is still really good.
4:33And when he was in Buffalo, he was like a perennial, like borderline first round pick, early second round pick.
4:38Like he was up there with CeeDee Lamb and these guys at the end of the first round for when he was in Buffalo.
4:45He's not quite that good anymore, but if you just look at the rate stats, like the ones that matter and yards
4:51per route run and then first downs per route run.
4:54First downs per route run is my favorite receiving stat and probably the best one.
4:58It's also just makes sense. Like how often is a guy getting a first down?
5:02It's like a perfect test receiver. And it also perfectly translates to fantasy football.
5:06Stefan Diggs was fifth last year in first downs per route run.
5:09And the list is like so matches the eyeball test.
5:12First receivers last year in first downs per route run were Puka Nakua was number one.
5:16JSN was number two. Zay Flowers was three. Amon Ross St.
5:19Brown's four. And then it's Stefan Diggs is five.
5:22CeeDee Lamb six. Drake London seven. George Pickens eight.
5:24Nico Collins nine. Jalen Waddell 10. Jamar Chase was 11.
5:27Terry McLaurin 12. George Kittle is 13. Like that totally adds up.
5:30Yeah. And then Diggs is top five and top 10 in yards per route run and first downs per route run everything.
5:37I'm like he's going to run more routes because he was coming off the ACL last year.
5:41That was him coming off of an injury as well.
5:44So and we should say he played all 17 games last year.
5:47He caught 85 balls for a thousand yards for touchdowns.
5:50He tore his ACL in 2024 half or through the season at age 31 or almost 31 I think and came back played a full season.
5:57He'll be 33 in November. She probably has to factor that in a little bit.
6:01Sure. But yeah to me I see him more productive.
6:04Well if you like it. I do productive for fantasy.
6:07Yeah you're right. He's 32 if I. Yeah right.
6:1033 November if you don't like Stefan. I lean towards this is better for Washington than it is like he's a great
6:16fantasy asset now because they rounded out a pretty thin receiving crew there outside of McLaurin and like their rookie Antonio Williams digs slots in really nicely.
6:23I don't I don't know. This doesn't jump out to me.
6:26I feel like he's a he's a flex player.
6:29Yeah. At best to me. I think he's going to be ranked where we're talking about him in every platform.
6:34Like I think he's going to be around like Michael Wilson and the Cardinals and like Michael Pittman and the Steelers.
6:40He's way better than those guys and I he's a player I want like I don't know if I want him on
6:46the Giants in real life because he's a seems like a volatile guy.
6:50But what's one more though you know for the Giants who cares dude you don't like the Odell Braxton Berrios Juju Smith
6:56Schuster competition for the last roster spot. No I think digs he's the exact kind of player I think you should you
7:02should throw a dart at and kind of one of the things we're going to talk about today which is upside and
7:08like Ryan Heath wrote this great article of fantasy points about upside and how upside wins championships and just the idea of
7:14league winning players and we talk about that article Tristan Cockroft writes at ESPN every year of just usually like 20 ish
7:20players that just taking them doubles your chances of making the playoffs just those guys or double your chances at winning a
7:26championship or if you get like a crew league winning guy like triples your chances at winning just because you had them and they had a great season.
7:34Diggs could be one of those 20 man. I just he still has it.
7:38And that's the thing with receivers is like they kind of maintain the level of play longer than you think and then
7:44when they drop off it's like a cliff. But it's not like the slow gradual decline you imagine.
7:49It's kind of like you're good you're good you're good you're good and then you're kind of out of the league and it's I don't know.
7:56It's tough because this group around the 80s and 90s is like either like kind of veterans that have a really low ceiling but maybe a high floor.
8:04I'm talking about like the Cortland Sutton's the Chris Godwin's and the DK Metcalf's.
8:08But then you have like the ceiling is the roof guys where you have like Jordan Tyson sitting there at 86.
8:14Like I would rather have Jordan Tyson than Stephon Diggs I think for what he could be or like Parker Washington sitting there at 87 at NADP.
8:21Even a guy like Alec Pierce who's kind of has a really wide range of outcomes.
8:26I think I would take Diggs over the like Cortland Sutton's and DK Metcalf's but I'd probably rather have like Jordan Tyson and Parker Washington.
8:32Yeah chase the ceiling a little bit more. Yeah.
8:35I think there's also a lot of variance with a lot of these guys like Alec Pierce probably have a lot of
8:41variance week in and week out in terms of like what he's scoring.
8:45His ending his ending stat line probably will look good but it's going to like his points are probably going to come in bunches.
8:51I would say the same for like Michael Wilson.
8:54So yeah it's definitely I mean this is fascinating from a football point of view too.
8:58Like I do think this raises the the ceiling of the whole offense in Washington.
9:02So that's that's another variable that we have to like put together here and it's like does this make like does this change your opinion on Jaden Daniels?
9:10Like does that raise him up a little bit?
9:13Does he pass anybody or is it kind of just status quo?
9:16I think the real life Washington offense. I think the thing about Washington is their offensive lines better than you think and
9:22maybe people don't think about their offensive line at all but they've quietly invested like quite a bit into it because the right tackle of Josh Connerly Jr.
9:30He's like a first run pick out of Oregon.
9:32Cliff Kingsbury's legacy there other than Jaden will be having that guy.
9:36They have Laramie Tunstall at left tackle and then one of the best left tackles.
9:40Yeah. Yeah. They have a random guy named Chris Paul that's actually become a pretty good left guard that I used to joke about being Chris Paul.
9:47He's actually really good and then Sam Cosby is coming towards ACL a couple years ago but I mean he's a good right guard.
9:54They have a good line and then Jaden Daniels.
9:56I really still believe in fully and then now you've McLaurin and Diggs and I just think Diggs is going to play
10:02more because they had him on a snap count off the ACL.
10:06I actually think this is a really good offense so I am more willing to take Jaden Daniels and I don't move
10:12Terry McLaurin down that much because I think that what you lose in volume to him I think that the competent the
10:18players around Terry were bad last year and I mean when Terry got hurt dude it's been at the stat that five
10:24players for Washington caught passes last year that were not on the team when week one began.
10:29That's crazy. That's wild. Yeah. And so I don't know.
10:32I think that it'll open up the offense for Terry more than it will take away to be honest.
10:37I don't need to move him down. It's a nice.
10:40So I think this is good. Yeah, I agree.
10:42The other thing I want to hit do this 49er substation thing.
10:45It's broken contained. I swear to God. This is the biggest story in the NFL.
10:50Kyle you check broke his finger. The other receiver they have.
10:53I can't never pronounce his name. Jacob Cowan. Yeah, I think that's right.
10:56So they're down five receivers now and they're fullback and then George Kittle tours Achilles.
11:00So they're down like 10 skill players in eight days.
11:03Every time the substation just gets bigger every time.
11:06There's literally a meme where somebody makes the substation larger.
11:08It looms larger in the distance every time there's an injury.
11:11Did you guys ever see the fifth element? I feel like we've talked about this, but like the fifth element.
11:17I have not seen the fifth element. The alien scary thing that they're going against.
11:21If you shoot stuff into it, it just gets bigger and more powerful.
11:25Like it like takes the kinetic energy of your weapons.
11:27I think the substation is just absorbing these injuries and it's making him more powerful.
11:32Every time you look. You don't know if the substation.
11:34Him or her. They. Yeah. I feel like pretty soon we're going to see in the background a Mordor looking volcano happening.
11:41That is the meme of it. It's just like, wow, this is going to get out of control.
11:45It's just the eye of Sauron is overlooking. It's so funny.
11:49Dude, the art, but make it sports. Did a thing on it, too.
11:52It's like, dude, I think that's the best one they've ever done.
11:55That was unbelievable. My brother is my painting as hell.
11:58It's actually just called hell. They got me the art, but make it sports as a book and they got it for me for Christmas.
12:05And I might print that one out. They put it into the book for him.
12:09All timer. I think the question for the Niners right now, or I guess the question for people who are thinking about
12:15the 49ers from a fantasy perspective is, are you just fully out now?
12:19Is it over? Is this enough? Are you ready to sit out this season with San Francisco because of the vibe?
12:25Because they're a head coach, almost died in a car accident and has a severe concussion.
12:2920 guys were missing practice the other day because they were injured already and it's early August.
12:34Is it? And the only healthy guy is a 29 year old running back who had bilateral Achilles tendonitis.
12:39Are you just out? What else do you need to see to be out?
12:43How many versions need to be thrown into this volcano until you're like, you know what?
12:48I'm not going to be on this team. Or is it a buy love?
12:51It's early August. I feel like this is the Zach.
12:54Maybe things will be all right. Yeah. I mean, the Pearsall thing is not great.
12:58Like losing one of your top skill players immediately just because for no reason at all.
13:03The thing about Pearsall being out is I feel like he's never been in, you know?
13:07So it's like when I think of the night.
13:10Like how can you miss someone that you've never met?
13:12Dude, the healthiest player. He's never on the field anyway.
13:15So what? Did we really miss him? Austin's with Embiid.
13:18It's like that's boy math. Boy math is, well, Joel Embiid barely plays anyway.
13:22So it's really all gravy if you think about it.
13:25We never had him. How could I miss him?
13:27Yeah. We can't be so back if it was never over.
13:30I just, I don't know how many omens I need, but I have enough.
13:34I just. That famous tweet where it's like tarot card reading lady flips over a card and it's a hot air balloon running into some electrical wires.
13:42And I'm like, is that bad? Like that's the 49ers season thus far.
13:45Well, this actually dovetails nicely into the conversation because does this mean we talked about how we want to take quarterbacks late this year.
13:52Is Brock Purdy off the board for you guys now?
13:55You're just like, I don't want to be up.
13:57I don't want to be in Northern California. I'm a fan.
14:00If I'm being honest, a little. Yeah. Because I Brock Purdy is a video game controller for Kyle Shanahan to play the game through.
14:07And I'm out on. I like, honestly. Yeah. I believe in the Niners every year.
14:11And I, but I am not just going to like automatically as we have done the last seven years, be like, well,
14:17Kyle Shanahan will have a great year with this quarterback no matter what, because he was in a car crash where he
14:23almost died and he still can't read or have multiple people speak to him or listen to loud music.
14:28And also like their healthiest players now are Mike Evans at 34 and George Kittle off his Achilles.
14:33George Kittle is one of the healthier goddamn guys on this team.
14:37And now we're just adding play in week one.
14:39We're just adding years. Because he's just hanging out.
14:42Yeah. Mike Evans is 32, not 34. There's no way that's true.
14:45He's biologically. You're just adding years to Mike Evans.
14:47His biological age is much older. We got to get Brian Johnson to test Mike Evans' biological age.
14:52We should have that as a column on our rankings, age and then like biological age, like change is 29 going on 41.
14:59Look, I do think you're right. Like, I do think I just, this is not a risk worth taking this season.
15:05There's plenty of other options. Quarterback is very deep.
15:07You know, receiver is very deep. It's like, maybe I don't need to take a shot on Bernie and Mike Evans or
15:13whatever the fuck is going on in San Francisco.
15:16I just, yeah. If you want to, if you want to like play final destination with your fantasy team, I just DK,
15:22the other one I saw is that famous tweet that is so funny.
15:25That's someone who's like, I was having a conversation with my neighbor.
15:29And I explained to them that like, yeah, like we keep adopting the stray cats, but the coyotes keep coming for the stray cats.
15:35So then we keep getting new cats from the shelter and, and having the cats.
15:40And you know, it's every month, you know, the cat just keeps getting taken.
15:43And the person was like, it sounds like you're just feeding shelter cats to coyotes every month.
15:48And then he's like, and then my daughter started crying.
15:51They're like, the Niners are just feeding football players to the substation.
15:54They just opened a cafe for coyotes at their house.
15:57The substation just keeps eating players. Yeah. But the quote, okay, here's the thing though.
16:01Everyone's going to be saying that like everybody in your league at home is going to be like the Niners substation.
16:07Don't want to touch that. So everyone will probably fall.
16:10You know what I mean? Like maybe nobody will take Brock pretty, but, but how far does he need to fall before you'd be interested in them?
16:17Uh, well, if I'm taking Purdy, I'm assuming I'm trying to be the last person to take a quarterback.
16:22So I would need to be outside the first 11 rounds.
16:26Cause I don't, is there a huge difference to you between having Purdy and Bo Nix?
16:30I guess not. No. Nat with the current situation that San Francisco is experiencing.
16:34No. What do we talk about? Wait, I just.
16:36With the evil curse that is hovering over San Francisco or Santa Clara?
16:40No. Craig, what's Santa Clara like? Have you been to Santa Clara?
16:43I've never. No, I know. No one's ever been to Santa Clara.
16:47You grew up in the Bay. You grew up in the Bay Area.
16:50By the way, I just think this is hilarious.
16:53Maybe I already said this. Sorry if I did, but San Francisco, truly one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been to.
16:59Like the Bay Area driving around, you're like, this place is fake.
17:02It looks so beautiful everywhere you go. Like whether you're going over.
17:06Santa Clara's not in San Francisco. You're, you know that.
17:08It's like 40 minutes away. No, I know. I'm aware.
17:11That's why I'm saying like, have you ever been there?
17:14But like, it's just so funny to me that they found the ugliest place in the fucking state to have their practice facility.
17:20It's like the inexplicable scientific phenomenon. What happened? Look, I'm not going to pretend like I know a whole lot about Santa Clara.
17:27I've driven through it. I'm sure it's in the South Bay.
17:30I've never. I don't. I didn't spend a lot of time going to the South Bay growing up.
17:35But yeah, it's just kind of there. Dude, the substation.
17:38I have six months ago when there was a Super Bowl in San Francisco.
17:41I was like, this thing's fake. Come on, people.
17:44And now I'm like, who knows? It's just growing stronger.
17:47Stronger by the day. Who knows? It's like the older you get.
17:50Stronger and larger. Religion more. Yeah. Now I'm like, you know what?
17:53Maybe there is an evil spirit. Like Marie Curie was handling radioactive stuff with her hands.
17:58You know what I mean? Sometimes we're, you know, we don't know.
18:01Anyway. Okay. Some people don't want to use like earbuds, ear pods, air pods or whatever.
18:06Like some people just want. I think about that all the time.
18:09I have air pods. Think about the power. How many air pods does this think of power?
18:14Like billions. The whole air pod corded head something.
18:16You know, I took a day and I tried to do my own research.
18:20Sure. Like my boy Rogers. It appears as though there's nothing there.
18:23That wearing air pods is actually not bad for your health.
18:26And that like whatever electromagnetic blah, blah, blah that you think you're transmitting into your brain is like so minuscule.
18:32And that like Wi-Fi routers have even more of that coming out of it.
18:36Yeah. So I don't know. The research I've read, Craig, because I did my own research as well by reading someone else's research.
18:42Yeah. Well, obviously. What am I going to do?
18:45Like what am I going to do? How's my head rot?
18:48How's my head feel after a day? Do I need to go to the moon myself or to believe we went to
18:54the moon or can I trust other people? What I read is like basically your phone emits way more waves of like
19:00potentially harmful waves, like by magnitude, orders of magnitude or whatever.
19:03And they've found that like no connection between your phone and cancer.
19:06So they're like the Bluetooth thing is not going to give you cancer.
19:10I think it's a cool like 90s early aughts vibe to like wear corded headphones.
19:14You're a headphone hipster. Yeah. It's back. Corded headphones is definitely back.
19:17100% it's back. It's like an aesthetic. It's a pain in the ass, but it's an aesthetic and that matters more.
19:23I hate wearing corded headphones. It's the worst. All right.
19:26I want to talk about fantasy strategy for this year because every now and then I just like, we do need to
19:32just tell you kind of what to do or at least how to think about it.
19:36And I want to shout out Ryan Heath at Fantasy Points.
19:39Fantasy Points, a great website. It has Scott Bear is there.
19:42Brett Whitefield's there. Ryan Heath is there. Ryan Heath, kind of like fantasy Ben Solak.
19:47I don't really know how old he is, but he's very good at his job.
19:51I don't know if he's old enough to buy.
19:53He's the one. He's a wonder kind. Yeah. A wonder kid.
19:56Babyface fantasy assassin. Yeah. Yes. Ryan Heath, the babyface fantasy assassin.
19:59He's written a bunch of great articles, Anatomy of the League Winner and Upsides Everything and all these things that Scott Barrett used to write about.
20:07But basically, again, it's the idea that it's power law where it's like, I think Scott Barrett and Ryan always talk about
20:13how they're like, yeah, fantasy is kind of like investing, but not really because there's only one person that freaking wins.
20:18Like, you know, it's like, oh, can't go broke, make it a profit.
20:22Yeah. Fourth place is the same as 10th place.
20:25Then like you can go broke, making it. It doesn't matter.
20:28The point is to come in first. So it's about Ricky Bobby players.
20:31You want guys that are like home runs. You know what I mean?
20:35Like Rob Gronkowski a few years ago might not play and retire, but also might lead tight ends and touchdowns guys like that.
20:41So anyway, I think the way that I think about this and I'm, you know, the simplest way is you can tell
20:47the story of a fantasy season every year by like 20 players, 15, 20 players, you know, and those are the guys
20:53that really mattered when there's a, there's hundreds of other guys that were there and were a part of your team, but
20:59probably didn't win you weeks, weekend and week out.
21:02And there's, there's a handful of guys who really matter every year.
21:05And trying to find those guys obviously is the hard part.
21:08But if you have one of those guys, it's like your chances of winning the whole, the whole league go up exponentially.
21:14The way Scott's tried to say it, I think sometimes it's kind of like you're trying to hit a home runs instead of singles.
21:21But imagine if a home run was worth like three, like three runs every single time.
21:26Like when you draft, you should go up trying to hit an eight run home run.
21:30Yeah. Go up and hit a nine run home run.
21:33That's the swing. Like Otani. So yeah, dude, I saw some video of Otani hitting a home run the other day.
21:39Craig. Good Lord. That guy. I can't do it.
21:41He's fucking unreal, man. Good at baseball. Uh, okay.
21:44Do we want to just lay out our strategies or anything you want to set the table with here?
21:49Or just like how to approach it or what, what do we want to do?
21:53I will say like, I think it can get a little difficult to have a broad strategy that we can recommend to everybody.
21:59It's like, we're mainly going to be talking about like, if you're in a 10 or 12 team league where you start
22:05one quarterback and you do a snake draft, that is largely the most common fantasy league.
22:10So like, that's what we're going to be sticking to.
22:13But even deeper than that, like, you know, there's PPR, there's half PPR.
22:16They're standard. That matters as well in terms of like leaning into guys who catch more passes, running backs who catch more passes.
22:23Um, but I also wanted to bring up. Say real quick on that PPR, half PPR, don't overthink it.
22:28Like for the short answer is if you're like PPR versus half PPR, don't worry about it.
22:33It's not that big of a, it's not that big of a difference.
22:36But PPR versus standard, big difference. Yes. But people don't do that anymore.
22:40People don't do zero catches for a point anymore.
22:42I feel like it's mostly half or full. Some people do.
22:45The thing is, is that know what your league's rules are.
22:48One. Two, know who is in your league. I do think this matters a lot.
22:52Like there are very, not every league is created equally.
22:55Like some leagues it's with your high school buddies for the last 15 years.
22:59You guys are diehard football fans, diehard fantasy fans.
23:02Like, you know, every single sleeper, they know every single sleeper.
23:05You listen into pods, they listen to pods. So like the guys like Luther Burden, you're not going to get a discount.
23:11You're not going to be able to sneak in and get Luther Burden in your high school league because everyone's going to be aware of him.
23:18He's probably going to go for too much. If Luther Burden comes up and there's like seven erections in the room, then
23:24it's like, okay, everyone's been listening to pods all summer.
23:27Yeah. I mean, for, for Craig is he's not going to have any Luther Burden this year.
23:32No, it sucks. It's awful. This is the sick irony of what you do for a living.
23:36All the guys, I'm going to be like a Mecca Buka, Luther Burden, all these guys I like, I'm not going to get any of them.
23:43But yeah. Um, yeah. So no sleepers are sleepers.
23:46Parker Washington, everybody in that league is aware of Parker Washington.
23:49So the boring guys, the older guys, the less sexy guys, maybe you're like your Mike Evans is, I feel like those
23:55are the names that you should probably try to go after the players that just kind of sit at the top of
24:01your draft tracker that nobody wants because they're viewed as boring.
24:04That's that kind of league. Then it's like, if you're in a work league and people want to win because it's fun
24:10for the office and they get bragging rights, but they're maybe not the biggest diehard sports fan.
24:15Like that's a whole other conversation that famous players go way earlier.
24:18Quarterbacks go way earlier. You're Josh Allen's McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, Travis Kelsey.
24:22Like you see quarterbacks going round one in those leagues, even in a single quarterback league, just because like people join the
24:28league, they play and they go, well, shit, I want to get Josh Allen.
24:32They take him 12th overall, even though that doesn't make fun to have this guy.
24:36Yes. They trust ADP more, like whatever platform you're using Yahoo or ESPN or whatever, like they will just take the people closer to the top of that.
24:44So then you kind of can get cute. Then you can wait on guys like Luther Burden who aren't that famous.
24:49So definitely know like how sharp the people in your leagues are.
24:53Cause I think it makes a huge difference in how you draft.
24:56I think that's a great call. And maybe the way we should do this is we start with just the beginning, which
25:02is start with like, try to win a work league, a league where like maybe Josh Allen's going to go with like the 13th pick.
25:09You know what I mean? And maybe we start with that and then we'll be like, okay.
25:14And then what if it's like a sharp, like a somewhat sharper league.
25:17But the other thing I just want to say, that's really important.
25:21And honestly, when people ask me or text me for advice, the thing I always start with, which is what platform are you drafting on?
25:28Like most people are on ESPN or Yahoo or a sleeper.
25:31I feel like these days is the probably 80 plus percent of drafts, but it's just know your platform.
25:36Cause at the end of the day, when the draft is happening and people are, have been measured time and time again,
25:42everyone's worse making a decision with a timer. And so people just look at the rankings in front of them.
25:48Like if you're on ESPN or you're on Yahoo, you're looking at the Yahoo window.
25:52No one wants to scroll down. People are afraid to scroll down.
25:55Even now, I still find myself being like, oh God, I can't draft this guy.
25:59He's 12 spots lower. It's been studied. That would look so bad by me.
26:03It's just so funny. It's like a psychological barrier.
26:06It is a psychological barrier. It's the same reason that people love a discount when you're shopping.
26:10People don't like the idea that you're taking a bad value.
26:13So if you're like with the 78th pick and you're looking at a guy who's ranked 88th and you have to scroll
26:19a little, even if you think that guy's ranked, like it just, it's a hurdle.
26:24So the point being understanding where certain players are ranked differently on platforms like is huge.
26:28So just to give you one example, Kyler Murray for the Vikings on Yahoo, he is a ninth round pick.
26:34He's about the 106th overall player on sleeper. Kyler Murray is a 14th round pick.
26:38He is going behind five different kickers. It's kind of wild.
26:41That's a huge discurpancy. So if you're on Yahoo, you might want to take Jaden Daniels with your fourth round pick.
26:47But if you're on sleeper, you probably don't want to take Jaden Daniels with a fourth round pick.
26:52If you can take Kyler Murray in round 13, you know what I mean?
26:55And so that is, it just understand. It's worth understanding what platform you're on.
26:59I think that. So to Craig's point, know the people you're playing with like rounders, like you play the people, but also
27:05just know what the people are going to be looking at the freaking rankings and understand where those rankings are just off from everyone else.
27:12Yeah. And along those lines, I mean, if you're motivated enough to print out some some rankings that you trust, whether that's
27:18ours, whether, you know, someone that you've had a lot of success with in the past and cross reference it.
27:24Yeah. Against the draft that's happening. It's kind of hard because it goes quick.
27:28But if you just like crossing guys off and as you get to like fifth, sixth, seventh round, you start seeing guys
27:34that are on the physical ranking in front of you, the piece of paper that are like way higher, that are kind
27:40of just staring you in the face. That's the point where you can just say, I don't really care where these guys
27:46are ranked on, you know, the list in the whatever platform you're drafting on.
27:50And you can just start scooping up really good value.
27:53Yeah. Vlad McConkie's 25th in your rankings, but he's 45th in the platforms rankings you're using.
27:57It's OK if you take him 32nd. It's not a you know, it's a reach on the platform, but it's not.
28:03It's actually a value for your ranking. That's kind of what I'm saying is like it's validation that you're not actually reaching on this player.
28:10So, yeah. Sanity check. Do you guys feel like you still actually want people to print out a piece of paper and cross it off with a pen?
28:18Yeah, I think it helps me. Honestly, I do that every every year.
28:21So here's the extra layer I'll add to our advice this year.
28:25I mean this. Figure out what your printer plan is, because now it's like a disaster plan.
28:29What are you going to do in an emergency?
28:32It's like, you know where a printer is? How are you going to print?
28:36Have you tested it? Have you plugged it in?
28:38Like, because if you don't, you're not going to print it.
28:41Does Kinko still exist? Is that a thing? You're going to drive and pay money?
28:45That's a great question, DK. I don't know. It's like Blockbuster.
28:48Staples? FedEx? Staples still, yeah. They probably just probably go to like Starbucks now and print something.
28:53I don't know. I feel like that. Do they print stuff?
28:56I don't know. I feel like they should. Honestly, that would be a draw to a coffee shop.
29:01Kind of like a hidden value there. Printers are wild, because the printers are one of the few technologies no generation ever figured them out.
29:08I know. No people are just like- What are the most challenging machines to operate of all time?
29:13Machines. It's the printer. I got one right there.
29:16It's like, I feel like I'm doing witchcraft every time I'm trying to get that thing.
29:20If somebody shows up to your house and is just like, can I print something?
29:24I'm like, fuck. We're screwed. I don't know. It's going to take us an hour.
29:28I told you there's a Trump aide that they call the human printer because he wants everything printed.
29:33He won't read anything on a screen. She has five different printers.
29:37She has to bring three of them with her at all times.
29:40It's her entire job. It's just figuring out how to print anywhere in the world.
29:44She's got a mobile printer she brings with her?
29:47That's kind of cool. Multiple mobile printers, because they all break.
29:50They're always breaking. They don't have any parts. It's like late Soviet Union.
29:53They're running out of parts. They can't fix these things.
29:56I love it. There's a few legendary Hollywood guys who are older and they don't use technology and they need to have their emails printed out.
30:03Sabin. Oh, Nick Sabin. Yeah. Nick Sabin never used email.
30:06I always find that to be just fucking fascinating.
30:08No. There's a person out there who has to print Martin Scorsese's emails.
30:12My brother always said this about every election. He's like, can I get one person running for president who's used email?
30:18I know. One person who has a Gmail. Anyway.
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30:43Moving on. Strategy. Okay, so that's the table. Let's just like, I think the strategy, we go position by position, but in
30:49a nutshell, I think you should wait on quarterback unless an elite one kind of falls into your lap.
30:54And I feel the same way about tight end and stronger.
30:57That unless Brock Bowers or Trey McBride or Colson Loveland, or maybe Tyler Warren falls into your lap, I think you should
31:04be the last person to take a tight end and resist the urge to be the ninth and take a tight end the 10th or 11th round.
31:11And you should probably take a quarterback maybe in the 10th or 11th round, unless one of a specific group falls into your lap.
31:18And you should probably be taking five receivers in the first 10 rounds, and you should try to get one of the
31:24top 12 running backs at least, and maybe two of the top 12 running backs.
31:28So probably two running backs in the first three rounds, but at least one running back in the first three rounds.
31:34Five receivers at the first 10 rounds. And then in there, it's like, wait on quarterback, wait on running back.
31:39And you're trying to load up on running backs and receivers.
31:42And then if a great, amazing value falls to your tight end or quarterback, you can do that.
31:47Otherwise wait. And like, is that the simplest way to explain what we think about this season?
31:52I think so. I feel the most strongly about waiting on quarterback and getting running backs early.
31:57I think those are the two pillars that I'm going to follow this season.
32:01I do think this is the deepest quarterback has ever been since we started this show.
32:05So there's always the caveat of like, it shouldn't be a hard and fast rule.
32:09You got to be like nimble. When you're in a draft, shit can change and you got to figure it out.
32:15Like if Josh Allen's sitting there in the fourth round, you should probably take him.
32:19What about in the third? I was actually wondering about that while you guys, while Heifetz was laying it out, like what
32:25does that mean when they fall into your lap?
32:28So I wanted to ask you this. So I want to ask you guys, let's start with quarterback because I think on
32:34paper, we were saying you should wait on quarterback.
32:36You should wait on quarterback because there's so many good ones.
32:39And again, what it comes down to is there's so many guys that can run now that, it just.
32:45The advantage. Yeah. The advantage, the elite dual threat guys.
32:47I have a Josh Allen philosophy of when I would take him if you want it.
32:52I would. Yeah. That's exactly what I want to know.
32:55I think there's 12 running backs I want and I want two of them.
32:59I think there's an easy cliff and I think it ends right around Derrick Henry, depending on your ranking.
33:04Like it's basically the chase Brown to Kenneth Walker to Derrick Henry.
33:07That range. Is Josh Jacobs in that? Jeremiah Love in that or no?
33:11No. I think it stops right before Jeremiah Love and Josh Jacobs and Kyron Williams.
33:15So there's a top 12 starts with Jameer Gibbs and B.
33:18John. It's Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, Ashton, Jente, A.
33:20Chan Hampton, Derrick Henry, Saquon Barkley and Kenneth Walker and Chase Brown.
33:24For me, I want two of those 12. If, if I have the opportunity to take either Josh Allen or one of
33:30those 12, I'm taking one of those 12. If the 12 are gone and Josh Allen is there, I would take Josh Allen roughly.
33:36I like that. Would you say this? Would you say the same about like a Brock Bowers or Trey McBride?
33:42No. Okay. I'm, I'm less keen on, on really reaching for one of them, which we can get into when we talk about tight ends.
33:49Okay. But if Brock Bowers was there in the third round, you'd take Brock Bowers, right?
33:53Third round. Absolutely. Yes. But it's like, if we're, I mean, these, these running backs I'm discussing are basically get drafted by
33:59the end of, by the middle of the second round.
34:02I don't know if I need to take Brock Bowers like 18th in my draft.
34:06I agree. So I, I, I, I have thought about it more and more.
34:10I agree about getting the running backs. And just because what it comes down to, to get Ryan Heath wrote a great
34:16article of fantasy points where it comes down to running backs in the second running backs early, generally are the guys that
34:22can break your league and like getting Ash and Jensie, getting chase Brown guys that can catch a ton of passes or
34:29run for a lot of touchdowns and hopefully high scoring offenses or offenses that score more than you think you a league winning player.
34:35The way Ryan defined it, which I thought was smart was basically, are you scoring five points more per game than we
34:41kind of thought you would based on where you went, which is a shorthand of being like, are you kind of getting
34:47almost the equivalent of a touchdown per week in value more than we thought?
34:51Not literally a touchdown, but the equivalent of six points, five points, six points.
34:55And you probably need to catch a lot of passes in the participation trophy PPR leagues, or you need to score a lot of rushing touchdowns.
35:02So that's like Derrick Henry on the Ravens team that I, the Ravens don't a good example of the Ravens.
35:08I don't think play a playoff team from last year to like November.
35:11So the Ravens, I mean, they could start nine and one and have all these Derrick Henry game scripts and you need
35:18something like that, or you need chase Brown catching a ton of dump offs from Joe Burrow or Ashton Gentty catching a
35:24ton of dump offs from Kirk cousins. And that is kind of why we feel so strong about these early running backs.
35:30But having said that, yeah, Bowers doesn't fall to me.
35:33And like, if those running backs Craig are gone, that I do want Brock Bowers and maybe Trey McBride solely.
35:38Cause I do feel like I kind of like them a little more than the receivers in the third round where I
35:44feel weird taking like Chris Olave or George Pickens over Trey McBride when I'm Trey McBride has it.
35:49Even though I don't love the Cardinals, the idea that Trey McBride could just be better than them at the tight end spot kind of makes me queasy.
35:57You know what I mean? Yeah. The thing you want to get them to tight ends.
36:01I feel like we all agree about quarterback. It's like, yeah, well, no, the quarterback, I want to name the players though.
36:07So we're like, oh, we'll wait on quarterback. My question is that the players that I'm looking at are Jalen hurts kind
36:14of like, like, like I want Jalen hurts, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert.
36:17I'm perfectly comfortable with those guys to be my quarterback.
36:20Jaden Daniels, if he falls, but I feel like he won't.
36:23And I basically there's like Jalen hurts. Who's been like the tush push.
36:26If they bring it back, you could just have 15 rushing touchdowns in theory.
36:30And it is highest ceiling thing. And he's going 70th.
36:33Trevor Lawrence, I think has like some of the top five, most rushing fantasy points per game last few years.
36:38Like he can run way more than you think Herbert.
36:41Like you just need someone who can run, but one of those guys will fall.
36:45Yeah. Like I basically am thinking like there's the top six guys, which I think everybody generally has is Josh Allen, Lamar,
36:51Drake, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels and hurts. I'm comfortable getting the bottom six, like Caleb Dak, Dart, Herbert, Lawrence, Stafford darts, maybe
36:58a little bit risky, but like Caleb Dak, Prescott, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence.
37:01I don't know. You could weave in Bo Nix, Brock, Pretty Stafford.
37:05Like I'm, I'm totally fine with any, most of those guys.
37:08I think if you, if you wanted to wait even past that and just do the real true late round quarterback process
37:14or strategy that was popular, you know, six or seven years ago, to me, it's Malik Willis or Kyler late.
37:19And then if, if those guys don't work out, if, if, if Malik Willis has like a Justin Fields type of season
37:25where he just can't complete a pass and he's benched by week seven, so be it.
37:30Then you can stream after that. I mean, Daniel Jones, Jacoby Brissett, I was looking at this.
37:34They're, they're scoring from last year. Obviously Jones coming off a major injury, but you know, they were, they were basically averaging
37:41one to two points less per game than the guys who are ranked six to 12 last year in terms of like,
37:47yeah, so it's like you're losing a point or two a game on average and you can just stream based on, on matchup or whoever.
37:54And there's, there's, especially in one quarterback leagues, obviously this is different than super flex, but you know, I, I do think
38:00you can probably get away with streaming if, if, if your late round pick doesn't work at quarterback.
38:05I feel like if, if you want to take a guy like Malik Willis, I think you need to chase it with like a Jared Goff.
38:12Yeah. Stafford. A hundred percent. Or Stafford. I mean, if Stafford's still there, absolutely.
38:16Yeah. Um, even like a darn working out. Yeah.
38:18It's like, and you want somebody consistent and you just plug in Jared Goff, get you two 50 yards and two touchdowns every week.
38:25Yeah. Here's the key question to me though. Cause we actually are higher on the quarterbacks than a lot of these platforms.
38:31Cause here's the question. I think we're talking about like, again, like, like an office league or something.
38:36Yahoo and ESPN have it like where Lamar Jackson's like the 50th player.
38:40The second quarterback will be the 50th player. And in my experience, there's no way that that happens.
38:45Like there's no way that 10 or 12 teams are going to go four rounds and one person of a quarterback.
38:50I think quarterbacks always go up higher. Yeah. And so I think it, even though we're higher than other platforms on quarterbacks,
38:56it's weird because I'm wondering if we should move our quarterbacks back or if we kind of reflect like more really like
39:03what it's actually going to look like. You know what I mean?
39:06Uh, that's like the one question I have is because we're like, Oh wait, but realistically, like we have Lamar Jackson, like outside the top 30.
39:13Uh, but I also don't think you'll get him at that spot if that makes sense.
39:17So I think that's the, the question is like, it's, it's weird because whatever site you're on, I just, the quarterbacks are
39:24going to, I think people will be scrolling and kind of picking them.
39:27They always go earlier. There are quarterbacks always go earlier.
39:30If you think you're going to be able to get Lamar or Josh Allen at a bargain, it's rare that you can
39:36do that, which is why I think our rankings almost reflect like the reality of when they go.
39:41I think that the way I, it's funny too, to be like, well, we'll just wait until they're a good value.
39:47I don't know what that means, but I, the way I think of it for you guys is I need the quarterback
39:53or tight end to be mogging the other people around them.
39:56Right. And like, I can't explain it, but the point is like, it needs to get, we need like Lamar Jackson or like Luther Byrd or Josh Jacobs.
40:04You're like, oh man, that's a good question. But when it's like Jalen Hurts or Tony Pollard.
40:08A hundred percent. I'm like, it's just like the, the, the, the, the eye tests, like taste in your mouth comparison where
40:15you're just like, do you want Javante Williams or Josh Allen?
40:18At a certain point, you're like, fuck it. I'd rather just have Josh Allen.
40:21Trevor Lawrence or Cortland Sutton. Well, sure. I'm like, give me Trevor Lawrence.
40:25And I think that's like, it should feel, you, it feel very easy to be like, oh my God, this guy is so much better than that.
40:33But if you're like, oh, Brock Purdy or Roma Dunze, you're like, well, maybe Roma Dunze actually could be something special this year.
40:39But I think that's great. It's kind of like a, not a hard and fast rule.
40:43It's just kind of like a, say the two names out loud.
40:47Say the two names out loud. And if you feel silly for, and if you're like, would I ask another person that,
40:53or would I feel silly, then that's when you take the quarterback?
40:56Yeah. Which, and I think, I actually feel that way about the tight ends too, where it's like Brock Bowers or O'Mearian
41:02Hampton or Brock Bauer, you know what I mean?
41:05And you're like, you should probably take O'Mearian Hampton.
41:07You have to think about it. But when it's like Brock Bowers or Devante Smith.
41:11Yeah. I'm like, well, shit, Brock Bowers could just do Devante Smith's numbers.
41:15Give me Brock Bowers. And that's how I feel about the tight ends.
41:19Colston Loveland or, I mean, yeah, Derrick Henry could be a real thing.
41:22I'm like, give me Derrick Henry. Colston Loveland or Garrett Wilson.
41:25I'm like, I don't want to watch the Jets.
41:28I want to watch the Bears. Yeah. Tight end every year to me is just the most fascinating position because everybody tries to figure it out, myself included.
41:35You want to be the genius. You get sucked in by the tight end five, even though he's probably just going to score nine points.
41:42Like the tight end 15. Ryan Heath, again, at Fantasy Points, when he mapped out tight end, he went through basically like,
41:48all right, what are the most common traits for the tight ends on your playoff roster?
41:53So he basically looked at like the most common tight ends on over 50% of playoff rosters.
41:58And he had like six main points, which was that, okay, these quote unquote league winning tight ends in a given year always had these qualities.
42:05Got over eight targets a game. The year before that, they averaged five to seven targets a game.
42:10Oh, interesting. Yeah. Half of them were in year two of their career, which is like very specific.
42:15Like out of every other year combined, it was 50% and then year two, 50%.
42:19They ran around 30 routes per game, which is a lot.
42:22Only McBride and Bowers did that last year and Colston Loveland over the last few games.
42:26They're on offenses that do not have multiple other pass catchers going in the top 60 ADP.
42:31And they're on teams that score 25 points a game, like just straight up offenses, not fantasy, like real life good teams.
42:37And so it's an intriguing list and it kind of allows you to go through and like look at who qualifies, who checks what boxes.
42:44And I have to say, unfortunately, fellas, like I know that we're saying like it's McBride or Bowers or wait.
42:50I am sucked in by the sirens of like the top six or seven.
42:54I'm like kind of like, fuck, there are guys here I like.
42:57And I would take a gamble, to be honest.
42:59Like I can get into a few if you want.
43:02Like to me, looking at a guy like Sam Laporta, who might be the sneaky number two option in the passing game.
43:08I don't think it's Jameson Williams, but you could argue it's Jameer Gibbs, but he's on a super high scoring offense.
43:14They're projected to score the third most points in the league.
43:17They have an easy schedule. He's young. He's done it before.
43:20His offensive coordinator is Drew Petsing, who just did with in Arizona, what with Trey McBride for the last two years.
43:26And I'm looking at ADP with Sam Laporta. Here are the guys Sam Laporta is going around.
43:31Let's do the name test. Sam Laporta or RJ Harvey, Chuba Hubbard, Rico Dowdle, Tony Pollard.
43:35But to me, I'm like, I would rather take a risk on Sam Laporta, who had 10 touchdowns his rookie season.
43:41And in a way that Ryan kind of mapped it out, which I thought was very interesting, is he was like, basically look at it this way.
43:48When you're considering taking a tight end, just treat them like a running back and be like, what are the odds that
43:54they can score 14 or 15 fantasy points a game?
43:57Whoever you think is more likely to do that, you should just take that person because there's no reason why you should be treating them differently.
44:04And 14 to 15 points is like a low end RB1.
44:07That's like probably closer to like a league winning type guy when you take them this late in the draft.
44:13So when I'm looking at Sam Laporta versus RJ Harvey, I'm like, who do I think is more likely to have a
44:19season where they score 14 points a game? I'm like, fuck it.
44:22Maybe I just take Sam Laporta. Yeah. Tight ends weird this year because I think another thing that in the past that
44:29has worked is the worst bets you can make in fantasy are usually you're like, you don't get one of the first
44:35six tight ends or maybe you don't get the first eight.
44:38And you're like trying to force that be like, oh, who's the ninth best tight end?
44:42Who's like that like lower middle tier of like, you know, like I always think of it as like David and Joku, Evan Engram, wherever they were going.
44:50And you're like, well, I'll take Tim because I don't have a tight end.
44:54Yeah. Like if you, if you map it out, it sounds crazy to be like, well, I got the eighth best tight end instead of the 16th.
45:01That sounds good. But in reality, the difference is the eighth best tight end and the 16th best tight end is like less than a point per game.
45:09Like it doesn't matter. And you should just wait.
45:11The weird thing about doing that this year is you're like, well, in the past, it's going to work.
45:17But now this year, but you look and the group this year is Kyle Pitts, who is unlike any other tight end,
45:23Sam Laporta, who had one of the better rookie year tight ends ever.
45:26And then Harold Fannin, who on a like, dude, there is an incredible stat from Ian Harditz at fantasy life.
45:32That if you just sort by like receivers, pass catchers with like missed tackles forced, the best marks from the last five
45:38years are just Debo Samuel three times and Harold Fannin.
45:41And he had like the most cat. He had like one of the most hits, one of the five most targets or
45:47I think target rate for a rookie tight end ever.
45:50So it's like all these like crazy outlier profiles are in that spot.
45:53Now Harold Fannin had the, one of the best, he led all of college football in yard in what yards per route run.
46:00You have Kyle Pitts is the best tight end prospect ever at the time.
46:04And then Sam Laporta. And it's like, well, and then you look at the, it's like 50% of league winning tight ends are year two of their career.
46:11You're staring down the barrel at Harold Fannin, Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland.
46:15Yeah. And you're like, man, I've come around to Loveland.
46:18I mean, Loveland's going to be, I think, awesome.
46:20He's just going really early. He's really creeping up.
46:23So if you do the name test with Colston Loveland, it gets tricky.
46:26But a guy like Tyler Warren, you're like, man, look at the options around him.
46:30It's like, you have a banged up Alec Pierce.
46:33This guy might be the number one option in the passing game.
46:36You know, it's his second year in the league.
46:39The ADP, it's like, he's going around guys like Tootin, Swift, David Montgomery.
46:42Who do you think is more likely straight up to just score more points per game?
46:47Tyler Warren or David Montgomery? You make that bet.
46:49Another guy is like Tucker Craft, who's going around 70th in drafts.
46:53Tucker Craft, before he got hurt last year, looked like he was going to be the next George Kittle.
46:58And he tore his ACL. He's recovered well from it.
47:01He apparently looks great. And he's on a good offense.
47:03I would say the competition around him is not obvious.
47:06It's not like there's clear Jamar Chase's around Tucker Craft and Green Bay.
47:10And you look at the guys going around him around 70th.
47:13It's like Tucker Craft or Jadarian Price. Tucker Craft or Jalen Warren.
47:16Tucker Craft or RJ Harvey. I don't know. I'm a little intrigued by like the top seven tight ends.
47:21And I'm probably falling right into the trap. But it's, I do think this year, the top seven are like younger and
47:27hungrier and sexier than usual, I think. And you can make a better case for them breaking out.
47:32And it's not just like 30-year-old Mark Andrews is the tight end five.
47:36It's like, no, 25-year-old Tucker Craft or 23-year-old Colston Loveland is the tight end five.
47:40Well, Loveland's third, but I agree with what you're saying.
47:43It's a much sexier group than usual. Like, I mean, if Harold Fannin were on 29 or 30 other teams, Harold Fannin would be a top 50 player.
47:51Harold Fannin had one of the better seasons you can have as a rookie tight end in Cleveland amid all the chaos.
47:57It's just Cleveland holding him back. As a player, if Harold Fannin was on the Patriots, we'd be talking about him as a fourth-round player.
48:04It's weird. I agree. But the flip side is, don't you just want to wake 11 rounds and get Mark Andrews?
48:10Well, what I was going to say about this, the way that I was thinking about this the whole time, Craig was
48:16kind of explaining the guys that he's into, which I totally agree with pretty much everything you were saying there, Craig.
48:21Like, when you do the name test based on where these guys are going in drafts, I'm like, I want the tight
48:28end in almost every one of those situations. And when it comes to league winners, which is what we're kind of talking
48:34about today, like, you know, first, you ain't first, you're last.
48:37I think you probably need to take a tight end in those areas rather than wait because the rest of the guys
48:43down this list, to me, are much more floor plays.
48:46Guys that'll just get you seven or eight points a game.
48:49You know what I mean? Like, the Jake, the Jake Ferguson's of the world, the Dalton Schultz of the world.
48:54These guys are probably not going to win you your league.
48:57They're the number three or number four option on their team, but they're also probably not going to get you zeros.
49:03I think, I don't know where Mark Andrews lands, Heifetz.
49:06I think he could be the type of guy who has a massive season again and scores 12 touchdowns because that's what he's done in the past.
49:13Or he's been, that's like sort of the role he's played now.
49:17Isaiah likely he's gone. So he's theoretically going to play more.
49:20You limited competition. He's done it before, you know, all that stuff.
49:23The things working against him are just like the age.
49:26Like it's usually like, why? Cause he's almost 31.
49:28Almost. 31. So he would be the guy that I circle as kind of maybe the one later, like really late round
49:34tight end who could win you your league. The other guy, I think.
49:38What about Isaiah likely? George Kittle. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting.
49:41Yeah. I feel like there be none of the like criteria really make, he's been a part-time player.
49:46So it's like hard to say like, you know, how, well, how many targets was he getting last year?
49:51It's like, well, he was always splitting time. So he's a little bit of an outlier.
49:56I agree. And I think he's on the Giants now.
49:58He's on the Giants now. I think a guy like Dalton Kincaid, who the only thing working against him is just the routes.
50:05Other than that, basically when he's on the field and he runs routes, he's fucking awesome.
50:09And he's a high scoring team. Yeah. So you can, who are the other tenants that you like?
50:14Um, well, if you go by kind of some of the criteria that Craig laid out, high scoring team, you know, um, limited competition, limited competition, limited competition.
50:22I think Kincaid is a really interesting one. Like the, the arithmetic is seriously, just if he plays more, he's probably going to smash.
50:29Um, and then the other guy I kind of think about, and this doesn't, he doesn't fit the mold of limiting competition,
50:35but Terrence Ferguson for the Rams who, um, you know, they drafted him in the second round.
50:39He really didn't do a whole lot in his rookie year, but McVay sort of revolutionized the way that teams not revolutionized,
50:46but he, he, they were using 13 personnel, three, three tight ends.
50:49More than just about anybody. Um, and if a Devante Adams gets hurt or Puka Nakua gets hurt, like there's a solid
50:55chance Terrence Ferguson kind of could step up and be the number two receiver on this team.
51:00And so I think he's the type of guy who could be sort of a dark horse out of nowhere.
51:05Um, you, I don't know if he could be a league winner necessarily.
51:09I think he could. I a hundred percent agree with you.
51:12He's free. He will not. Terrence Ferguson probably won't be drafted in any leagues you're in.
51:16And he's, I completely agree. He's like has the most upside of any of the late tight ends.
51:21The guys. So he would, he would probably be the guy that I think of.
51:25I do think Jake Ferguson kind of the same math where if one of the top receivers on the Cowboys gets hurt,
51:31Jake Ferguson could have like eight or nine targets a game and really kind of fit some of the molds in terms of high scoring team.
51:39Number two option on the offense. And he's proven in the past that he can catch a lot of passes.
51:44I think basically it was just hurt all of last year.
51:47Dak Prescott has a history of throwing to the tight end position.
51:51He's very comfortable throwing over the middle of the field.
51:53So he could be a sleeper. And then I don't know past that.
51:57I think it's more like floor play type of guys.
52:00Like Greg Dulcich is like a really deep sleeper because he might be the top option in the Dolphins passing game.
52:06But yeah, like that Greg Dulcich. Yeah. Dulcich and Ferguson, I think are DK are perfect sleepers at tight end.
52:11The problem with Dulcich is like, you think they're going to score any points?
52:15Like you just have to hope that this team is going to score points.
52:19They're not going to pass very much and they're not going to score very many points.
52:23But they're free. DK is talking about guys that are probably going to get added on waivers after week one that I
52:29think are perfect guys to have on your team in week one.
52:33And you cut them if they don't do anything, but there's a chance that they lead the team.
52:38Like that's a real sleeper. I think a Ronda Gadsden to me is a guy that like you can draft him super
52:44late, wait for three weeks, see if it's a thing.
52:47And if it's not, you can drop him. But like a guy who quietly just had 660 yards as a rookie.
52:52And you talk about competition outside of a lot of Conkey.
52:55I wouldn't say it's daunting. I know they brought in David and Joe Kusso.
52:59Like the whole thing might be stupid, but I'm like Mike McDaniel, what he did to John who Smith, what he did to Darren Waller.
53:06Like, you never know. Well, Ronda Gadsden could turn his 600-yard rookie season into something much bigger second year with McDaniel.
53:12And it's like he immediately becomes like a top 10 tight end overnight.
53:16But again, it might completely not work out. He might not play enough and you can just drop him.
53:21But I think that's another guy I'd be willing to take a shot on.
53:25Yeah. So running back strategy. Are we kind of in agreement that there's basically about a top 12 running backs that you
53:31want to 13, depending if you want Josh Jacobs in the air and Jeremiah Love.
53:35But there's 12 or 13 running backs. I want two of them.
53:38And you need – you really want to get one of them just because your life is just so much easier.
53:44And ideally maybe two. Yeah. If you get two of the top 13 running backs and we have our rankings up.
53:50I don't have to read them all. But like it ends, you know.
53:54And then after that, you want to probably load up on receivers.
53:57Yep. Right? I have a question. If you get – just from a – in a snake draft, if you have the
54:03first or second pick, you get B-gen or Gibbs.
54:05And then you come back, you're, you know, whatever it is, 24th or third or whatever.
54:10What do you do in that scenario, Craig? Because then you're staring at probably not a running back again.
54:15Maybe a quarterback or maybe a receiver at that point.
54:18Is that probably what you're doing? Yeah. It's why I think first round pick is tricky this year because I don't think
54:24you'll be able to get another one of those elite running backs.
54:27So, I don't know. It turns into like best player available.
54:30It's like, yeah, if Brock Bowers or there's an A.J.
54:33Brown or a Nico Collins or somebody like Drake London is there, you're going to have to do it.
54:38But it's why, you know, if you're in the middle – if you have like fifth pick, you get McCaffrey.
54:44Second round, you go get Chase Brown. And then in the third and fourth round, there are still guys like Nico Collins and Malik Nabors sitting there.
54:51I would much rather do something like that. But you're right, DK.
54:55Like the first pick or the second pick, you might just get one guy.
54:59Yeah. Then it kind of changes the strategy. If Derrick Henry falls to me, you can get Jameer – I mean, in
55:05Yahoo, I think Derrick Henry is going 34th or something.
55:08And I'm like, if you can get Derrick Henry – if you can get Derrick Henry in your second round, I'm fine with that.
55:14Because like I really think running back gets nasty.
55:17It does. You can start moving down the ranks here.
55:19You're looking at like – I don't know. Like you can take risks with dudes like Quinshon or Trevion Henderson or Tootin and Bucky Irving and David Montgomery.
55:27But it's like relying on those guys to be your number two dude is risky.
55:31Now, the flip side is maybe you end up with Amon Ross St.
55:35Brown in the first round and then maybe you get a running back.
55:39But then it's like, oh, you ended up with Trey McBride and then Lamar Jackson fell because – I don't know, whatever.
55:45And then you're like, oh, I need another running back.
55:47Yeah. There are still plenty of guys I like.
55:50Again, to the spirit of the Ryan Heath article, I think there are certain guys like Basial Tootin for the Jaguars is
55:56a big guy that if he ends up getting a lot of Travis Etienne's carries in Jacksonville, he could be really good.
56:02Maybe he does more passing down work. I still like Romandre Stevenson as just an undervalued player to play a lot.
56:08Jordan Mason is like a very cheap player that will just probably lead the Vikings in carries and touches and probably just get more goal line work.
56:15And the Vikings had almost no goal line carries and he's just like a very boring player that enables you to have like a more aggressive build elsewhere.
56:23The one random player I want to throw out as a true sleeper we haven't talked about at all is Jonah Coleman
56:29for the Broncos, who I just think by the end of the year will probably just be the starting running back in Denver.
56:36He's gotten some buzz early on. Yeah. I think there's a misunderstanding of the Denver backfield.
56:40I think people want R.J. Harvey to be Alvin Kamara.
56:43R.J. Harvey is Darren Sproles. And Jonah Coleman is like, I just, Jake is to me the next Jakey Dobbins.
56:48But Jakey Dobbins has never played 13 games in a season.
56:51I think Jakey Dobbins will be very productive for Denver and he'll probably get hurt at some point, which I don't mean
56:58to be mean, but he's never not gotten hurt.
57:00Right. And then Jonah Coleman is this Kim Scadaboo mold of a big guy who gets all the goal line carries and
57:06can do short yardage, but he can catch and block.
57:09That's hard to find an NFL player who is big enough to be obvious goal line candidate and also can block and has good receiving routes and hands.
57:17And Jonah and Sean Payton said he's not like a rookie.
57:20And Sean Payton doesn't mind red shirting a rookie if they're like immature.
57:23But Jonah Coleman's like a leader. I think he's of another free player.
57:27Well, Pat Bryant actually at receiver who I think could just be starting at the end of the year as like the
57:33Michael Thomas rookie year role from the Saints 10 years ago.
57:36So I don't know. I think Jonah Coleman's good running back late.
57:39Keaton Mitchell's like an upside guy. But yeah, I think five.
57:42Yeah. I was going to say Coleman kind of fits the mold of it.
57:46And I said this during the draft period that he reminded me a little bit of Bucky Irving in a lot of ways where he's not fast.
57:54He didn't even run. I believe it was your comp.
57:57The thinking man's Kim Scadaboo with him. Oh, yeah, that too.
58:00But like from a prospect point of view, because I do think they both run really hard and break a lot of
58:06tackles and are sort of low center center of gravity type runners.
58:09But like from a prospect point of view, Coleman reminds me of Bucky rookie or Bucky that who wasn't hurt all of last year.
58:16That because number one, he's not fast. That was like a huge knock on him.
58:20He didn't I don't believe he ran the combine.
58:22He was worried about running really slow, obviously. But I mean, if you look at some of the underlying stats and the
58:28same with Bucky Irving, like breaking a ton of tackles, really elusive.
58:32And with with Coleman, good and pass pro good in the passing game, good hands, good vision in space.
58:37Basically, the knock is like he's he's small. I guess Coleman is short and slow.
58:41And that usually isn't like a great combination in the NFL.
58:44But I do think he has sort of just a combination of traits that could work in the NFL and sometimes does work in the NFL.
58:51But but again, like and he was a day three pick.
58:54So it's kind of hard for those guys to find the field.
58:58If he gets the opportunity, though, I feel like he's the type of guy who can grab a hold that job and hold on to it.
59:05So I think it's top 12 running backs. Get get a couple and make your life easier.
59:10Yeah, receivers. Yeah. And we were saying get five of the top 10 receivers because as Ryan, he's article pointed out, like
59:16there's basically never just been a true league winning receiver.
59:18That's five of the top 10 receivers. I mean, sorry, five of the five receivers in the first 10 rounds as a
59:25shorthand, a rule of thumb of after the first 10 rounds, it's just harder to find a guy that will contribute.
59:30For the most part, we know the first 120, 130 picks.
59:33Those receivers are going to be the guys. And I think we've talked about a lot.
59:38And I'll just read a bunch of names. And you guys tell me who stands out to you.
59:43I think Devante Smith, Lad McConkie, Christian Watson, Luther Burden, Jalen Waddle is on Denver now.
59:47James Williams, the Lions, Terry McLaurin for Washington. I think D.G.
59:50Moore on the Bills, like Brian Thomas of the Jaguars, Stefan Diggs in Washington now.
59:55Like those are guys that jump out to me.
59:57And if there's 20 receivers that we think could be, you just want to get as many of them as you can
60:03and hope that a few pop and that you're able to start those guys each week.
60:08Yeah. As you go down. So I kind of circled a few guys early rounds, like second or third round.
60:13Maybe I was looking at get one of Pickens, Nico or neighbors.
60:16To me, those guys have immense upside. If things fall right with neighbors, it's if he's healthy with Nico.
60:22It's like if Stroud is even remotely good this year, then Nico could absolutely go bananas.
60:26And then I think Pickens is the bet is maybe he's just better than CD or at least has a better connection with Dak Prescott.
60:33And he's in a high flying, high scoring offense in the middle.
60:36I'm really happy for Pickens, man. I'm happy. I love that we're here.
60:40Like, I love that. I can't believe that we're like, well, there's just the world in which George Pickens is better than CD Land.
60:47It's fucking awesome. George Pickens is so good. I'm happy.
60:49I couldn't tell for a second if you were doing a bit or not.
60:53No, no. Genuine. I'm happy he got off the Steelers and is succeeding and hopefully gets a bunch of money because he's fucking great.
61:00Yeah, he's really, really good. As you go down, like, and again, this is like finding one or two of these six
61:06guys like Devante Smith, Mecca, Buka, Burden, Waddle, McLaurin, McConkie.
61:09Those guys, I think said all those guys. I totally agree with those as targets.
61:13And then as you get later down the draft, Parker Washington, Josh Downs is really interesting to me with the Colts because he takes over.
61:20Michael Pittman's gone. Alec Pierce is injured currently at the moment.
61:23And we don't really know if he's going to inherit a bigger target volume type role.
61:27I think there's a chance, like Heifetz said on the last show, that he could just stay doing what he did last
61:33year, which is taking the top off the defense.
61:36And then another guy that I think is interesting, and this is a capitulation in some ways because I have not been
61:42a huge fan of him, but Gwynn Johnson for the Chargers feels like a solid bet to make where he's going in drafts.
61:48Because, again, it's just I'm thinking I think of the McDaniels offense, Mike McDaniels offense in Miami, where a lot of it
61:54was catch and run or get the ball out quickly and let the guy do things in space.
61:59Find ways to get a guy some runway and he can take advantage of it.
62:04That's what we saw a little bit of Waddle, and that's definitely what we saw with Tyreek.
62:08And Gwynn Johnson, even though he's totally different size-wise than those guys, is a run after the catch.
62:13He's a freak athlete. If he gets some space, you're not going to catch him.
62:17Obviously, the hands are a little suspect. That's kind of probably just going to be a thing for him.
62:23I think he has gotten a little bit better.
62:25But he has kind of the skill set where he could sneakily have a lot of production in this offense, I think.
62:31And people are maybe just picturing that Ladd McConkie is sort of going to take back over as number one.
62:37I think there's a chance where this is just like a 1A, 1B in that offense.
62:41Yeah. So I think there's a lot. Right receiver is so nice because you can go through every round and there's like two guys.
62:48I'm like, oh, Christian Watson. Like you can do that for the first like nine rounds.
62:52So it's really a position you do not need to rush on.
62:56And I'm guilty. Sometimes it's awesome to have Jamar Chase on your team.
62:59Sometimes that feels fucking cool. Yeah. And you don't like you.
63:02I think there are certain positions like for like draft slots where it makes more sense to go wide receiver.
63:08Where like sometimes you kind of have to take one if you have like the fourth pick.
63:13Sometimes you kind of just got to take Jamar Chase if he's there.
63:16And you got to kind of make it work.
63:19And if you're lucky, you can still get two of those top 12 running backs.
63:23But yeah, it kind of all depends on where you're picking.
63:26All right. We're going to bring in Bill in a moment.
63:29But first, anything else you guys just want as we wrap this up draft strategy where it's like wait on quarterback unless
63:35you get a really cool one around some losers.
63:37Wait on tight end unless you get a really cool one around some guys that aren't so exciting.
63:42Try to get as many great of the top 12 running backs as you can.
63:47And then just like load up on receivers because some of them will be great.
63:51And the more receivers you have, the more likely you get one of the ones that pop off.
63:56I think that's right. Which position or which rule are you most likely to deviate from in the moment?
64:01The whole time you're talking about Bowers, I was like, oh, shit, I'm going to I'm going to totally fall for this
64:07and take Bowers in the second round. Just because he's 14.
64:10He's just fucking awesome. He's the type of player he is fun to have on your team.
64:15So I think it's really it's going to be tempting.
64:18He is a maybe not a siren song because I think he will be good.
64:22But I mean, last year he kind of ruined a few of my drafts just because he got hurt.
64:27But yeah, he's awesome. Mine. Mine. Yeah. Mine will probably be taking like Tucker Craft and being like, I figured it out.
64:33That was easy. That's probably going to be me.
64:36Sam Laporta fell. That'll probably be me. I think there's a there's a I don't know what the word is.
64:41It's just like a bias thing where Craig, because you were on craft early.
64:45And I feel like you kind of now. I took him last year in the ringer league and you're like on the craft corner.
64:52And then you kind of it's like you have to you have to have that payoff for you.
64:57So you're now going to probably like reach on a player that's that's more expensive now than he was last year.
65:03You're like the Colts in real life where you started hot.
65:06You're like run it back. We'll just pick up exactly where we left off.
65:09No problems. That's how I am with a chance because I was on a chance so early.
65:14And now I'm like, I just need to get him.
65:17It's part of my brand. I even if like the Dolphins offense is going to suck ass this year, like I still want a chance.
65:24Part of your brand. What do you stand for?
65:26Yeah, I like the little tiny, really fast guys.
65:29That's me and Jaden Daniels. I'm like, I'm going to say wait on quarterback.
65:33And then we're like, oh, God, he's so cool.
65:35Oh, Jaden in the fourth. Especially now with digs, man.
65:38Remember the time he went 88 percent on fourth down.
65:41I want that guy. All right. So, yeah, there's there's our strategy for 2026.
65:45It's easier to give you advice than actually follow our own.
65:48So, you know what? Just, you know, it's your team.
65:50So just do some mock drafts and just make a team you can live with.
65:55That's another piece of good advice. Do some mock drafts.
65:57It actually does help. All right. Let's bring in Bill Simmons.
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66:24All right. Well, we're now joined by Bill Simmons, who you just said you want to talk to us about something and
66:30we have no idea what you wanted to tell us.
66:33First of all, it's weird to be on here.
66:35I don't know if I'm being judged if I'm like one of the best looking over 50 sports podcasters if that list has come out yet.
66:42That's a new list. Where I rank my top four.
66:45I'm a, you know, I'm a, I'm a wife guy.
66:48You are. That counts for me. Public wife guy.
66:50Yeah. Kids. Love your kids. You got dogs. Real family man.
66:53Those are good points. I dress like Justin Herbert where it just looks like I get free stuff and then I don't have a stylist or anything.
67:01Um, yeah, this pod's really gone off the rails.
67:03It's an honor to be here. Um, Maxim, Maxim magazine, the podcast.
67:07Yeah. Yeah. Maxim mag bringing it back 25 years later.
67:09I had a, every year I have a terrible fantasy idea.
67:12That's actually pretty good. And this year I came up with one and I was going to throw it at you guys
67:19and Craig doesn't even know what it is. Um, so I was thinking of the concept of like in, cause I watched
67:25survivor this year of when you can like, um, kind of stick it to somebody that you're competing against.
67:30Right. Um, so it's like, how would that work in fantasy?
67:33And I was doing my QB. I did a normal podcast with Mina.
67:37I'm like, you guys, you guys did the crazy version of a podcast.
67:40I just ran QB. You talked about football. I felt like she had more material.
67:44She was, there was like a three hour director's cut with Mina where she was going through backups.
67:49Um, anyway, I had this idea cause there's three terrible quarterback.
67:52I gave them minus twos on my, uh, my QB tears, the Cleveland Browns who have Watson or Santa, who knows who
67:58they're, where they're going to end up. Atlanta. It's so grim.
68:01I don't think two or Penix are going to play.
68:04It's it, it, it might be Cooper rush. Um, so there's two.
68:08And then the jets of the third one. And I was thinking, wow.
68:11So what a win for the Steelers that they're not in there.
68:14That's all. No, you're not. You Rogers was a straight zero, um, which is fitting zero points for me for Roger.
68:20But I was thinking, should you have to draft one week of one of those three team situations?
68:25And then you have to pick over the course of a 14 week regular season when you start one of the things.
68:31Right. Cause initially I was thinking it would be really fun if you could draft you basically like you're in the 12th round of your draft.
68:39And it's like with my 12th round pick, I take week 12 of the Cleveland Browns.
68:43Right. And they're playing like the Texans and you could then draft that.
68:47And then when I'm playing Danny Kelly in week 12, I make him, he has to start the Browns.
68:52And it's like this huge advantage for me in head to head fantasy football.
68:56Right. It's a reverse, you know, card, but it's too hard.
68:59You can't do it with the websites. The websites I don't think would be able to pull it off.
69:04It gets complicated. People have to add and do math.
69:07So I think the move is you have to draft one of these guys and you know, during 14 weeks, like I drafted week seven, the jets.
69:14I just know that's coming in my week seven.
69:17Am I strategic now? Do I do where I have, like, I also have Joe Burrow.
69:21Do I then draft, like there's a Joe Burrow bye week.
69:24And it's like, oh, I need the jets for that week.
69:27Cause I'm going to lose anyway. Cause I don't have Joe Burrow.
69:31Is there something here where you have like this grenade quarterback that you basically have to deal with for one of the 14 weeks?
69:37Do you like this idea? It's like chopped where you have to like mix in some disgusting ingredient to your middle to try to make it work.
69:45So basically how it would work is like, okay, so you can take any quarterback on the Browns, the jets or the Falcons.
69:51You just get the teams, the teams. So it's in one of your, during your draft, you just draft the Browns.
69:57So like we're doing our ringer fantasy draft on the 27th.
70:00There's maybe there's 14 possible weeks where you could draft one of those three QBs, but you have to assign the week.
70:06But as we're doing the draft, maybe there's a week where you're like, you know what?
70:11Actually the, the Browns playing the Bengals defense. Like they might actually be able to put some, some stats up.
70:16I kind of want to grab week seven home at Cleveland Thursday night.
70:20You know, they're going to put up points and maybe you take that in the 12th round because that's going to be an advantage for you.
70:27But this goes back to when we were at Grantland, the bad QBL, the bad QB draft and trying to figure out like how to incorporate bad quarterbacks.
70:35I just love the idea of having like, oh, this is going to be great.
70:39I have Atlanta, Atlanta week 10, they're playing New Orleans.
70:42And then Tua throws like three pick sixes and just single-handedly ruins your week.
70:45I don't know. I feel like there's something here.
70:48Tell me where I'm wrong. So I like the idea where you, you give it to your opponent, but do you have to choose your opponent right away?
70:56Or do you choose them like at some point down the line?
70:59You're saying it's like you, you pick like week five.
71:02The grenade idea. Browns are playing the Bengals. And so I will draft the Browns quarterback situation for week five.
71:07And I have to start them week five. Yeah, because I guess the way to do this on the website is nobody's going to have those three quarterbacks.
71:15Like nobody's going to have a Browns, Jets or Atlanta quarterback on their roster.
71:19So if I'm playing Craig in week five, I'm going to be like, you know what?
71:23I am using my hammer this week. You don't get to start Lamar Jackson against me.
71:28Actually, you'll be starting Geno Smith. But I still feel like there should be scarcity with the guys.
71:33Oh, I see. I didn't realize you give it to your opponent.
71:36That's fine. First of all, if I said scarcity, I would just be like run off this podcast.
71:41That's all I'm going to say. But I'll leave it at that.
71:44Scarcity? Yeah. It's okay. And scarcity? We have pronunciation dyslexia.
71:47No, you're in my support group, I Fitz. I'm the only one who's as bad as yours.
71:52This raises a larger conversation about fantasy leagues where it's like, do you like the gimmick league or do you like to play it straight?
71:59You know what I mean? Like in the ringer league, we already did this weird thing last year where you drafted your
72:05own punishment and everybody had a different punishment. Should we lean into the gimmicks and like get weird or do you play it straight?
72:12Right. I like the idea of the grenade. My immediate tweak would be what if instead of being like, we're going to take the Browns in week 12?
72:19Because I think what that takes out is if a team's better than you think or like sometimes a lot of injuries
72:25hit and then you're like, oh my God, like the Rams, Stafford's hurt.
72:29The Rams are playing Ty Simpson. He's the worst quarterback ever.
72:32Like McCarthy last year with the Vikings. I think what if it's as simple as the highest scoring team each week can
72:38just pick another team in the league that they're not playing that week.
72:42And like you have to start a quarterback of our choosing this week.
72:45Oh, it's like a perk. Yeah. So like if Sal's team has the highest scoring points, it's like Sal could just be
72:51like, yeah, you know what Heifetz was mean to me this week?
72:55Heifetz has to play Schuder Sanders this week. Or it's just a pick.
72:58Or it's just every, each player in the league, like all of us, you each get one, one time you get to
73:04give a shitty waiver wire quarterback to your opponent.
73:07So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's somebody who's starting, but like on Friday was not picked up by anybody.
73:13Yeah. And I could just be like, oh, Schuder Sanders is getting the start this week in Houston.
73:18Yeah. This is it. I'm using my grenade. I'm giving it to Craig and I'm going to cripple Craig's team this week.
73:24Like imagine it's week 13. We're all battling for the playoffs.
73:27I haven't used my grenade yet. Yeah. You saved it.
73:30I've saved it. I'm playing Heifetz and I go, oh shit.
73:33It's Carson Beck's first start this week. Right, right.
73:35Against the Texans. You have to start Carson Beck against me.
73:38Heifetz has to start Carson Beck against me. Yeah.
73:41I guess the waiver wire does make it where I just text you and say, hey, sorry, dude.
73:46I'm using my grenade this week. Yeah. And it has to be a quarterback that is starting.
73:50It has to be a quarterback that's going to start that week.
73:54But you can pick anyone on the waiver wire.
73:56Yeah. The only problem, I guess, is that when a super flex league, how many quarterbacks will be on the waiver wire?
74:02I guess the shitty ones will still be on the waiver wire.
74:06I don't know. I think that's the only concern is part of me wants the ability to pull it off someone's bench.
74:12Like if Carson Beck's there, I kind of want the ability.
74:15Nope. Screw it. We're getting eminent domain. The worst matchup.
74:18I also think it'll be funny with the grenades when people use them because Craig will overthink it and save it to
74:24week 14, but then he'll already be out of the playoffs.
74:27I'll be four and eight by then. Yeah. Yeah.
74:29But House will just immediately use it. Like week two, he'll be like, oh!
74:33He just won't be able to wait to put his grenade on somebody.
74:37He's trying to build momentum to begin the year.
74:39Yeah. He'll just be so excited to use it.
74:42He won't be able to keep it in his pocket.
74:44What's nice is what we can do is, is now like that our listeners are hearing this, send us ideas on how to perfect this idea.
74:52Email us at ringerfantasyfootball at gmail.com to tell us how to use the grenades.
74:56I think the grenade, it's a great idea. I think the grenade is the idea too.
75:00It's like you're throwing a grenade at someone. The only other thing I was thinking is, could it be QB or defense?
75:06Defense. You get your grenade on either, but I could be like, oh, Dolphins going against the Cowboys this week.
75:12You will have the Dolphins defense. It's good too.
75:14But I think QB is more, I think QB has the higher upside of just being completely tortured as the guys, you
75:20know, they're like, let's go to Cleveland. Another bad play by Shadar Sanders.
75:24And meanwhile, like the guy you're going against had to start him.
75:27If I had to predict, Sal's going to love this.
75:30Yeah, Sal's going to love this. And Sean's going to hate it.
75:33No, Sean's going to be like, this is bullshit.
75:36We're going to give Sean Geno Smith in like week 13 and he'll lose because of it.
75:40He'll quit the league. He'll be pissed. Storm out of the tech.
75:44He'll leave the text chat. But I think I'm interested to see what your listeners think.
75:48And I do feel like there's something here. The only other thing I have to say is Denzel Boston, who was 45
75:54to one yesterday for rookie of the year. And I couldn't wait anymore.
75:58I had to get in on it. I saw something in the training camp yesterday and I was just like, I have to have some Denzel Boston.
76:05So he was 45 to one. It's dropping now.
76:08But the quotes and stuff afterwards, nothing's better than August.
76:11People like, oh my God, he actually levitated above the field.
76:14I watched him climb the uprights and catch the last pass.
76:17It's just amazing. People are so in on him now.
76:19I don't think any one player has more hype than Denzel Boston right now.
76:23It's also hard because sometimes the hype is actually warranted.
76:26Sometimes you can just tell immediately that a player is going to be awesome.
76:30And then sometimes it's like Cason Williams and he just looks awesome in the preseason.
76:34And then he gets cut. You know what I mean?
76:37Like you just there's there's no in between. I feel like you had the best you had.
76:42The Russell Wilson one was the best one ever.
76:44Like that whole training camp every single day was like it was like, what's going on?
76:49Why are they talking about him? Yeah, people knew about Russell Wilson by after the first rookie camp that they were like, oh, this guy's legit.
76:56The other guy I was thinking of that you knew immediately because he was just making plays every single camp was Doug Baldwin.
77:02He was undrafted. And then all of a sudden he had like, I don't know what it was, 900 yards his rookie year.
77:09I believe the Boston hype though. I'm actually I thought he fell way further than he should have.
77:13It's interesting that he's getting way more hype than Casey Concepcion.
77:17He might he might have not been. He's down to 40 to one today.
77:20Yeah. But when you think about it, like who would you bet on for rookie of the year, which ties into some
77:27of the fantasy stuff we've all talked about. But because I don't think it's going to be Jeremiah Love.
77:32I don't I two other running backs. Fernando Mendoza is probably not going to play enough.
77:36Yeah. So it's much more wide open this year.
77:39I don't think it's going to be any. There's no tight end prospect.
77:42Tyson will get hurt. Yeah, he's already hurt. So Tate would be probably the safest pick.
77:47But, you know, Boston would have the thing where he does not have a quarterback.
77:51Yeah. I mean, it's there's like Makai Lemon, but like Makai Lemon has gotten zero hype compared to Boston.
77:56No, I earlier in this episode, I love Jonah Coleman for the Broncos is 60 to one.
78:01And that's the guy that I'm like, if Jakey Dobbins goes down to week three, I think you get a three and
78:07a half months of Jonah Coleman is the starting running back on a team that could win 13 games for Denver.
78:13And in a year, if the Raiders actually don't play Mendoza for a long stretch, then like that's kind of what it
78:19would take is Mendoza not playing or playing and not playing well.
78:22Well, one last year, right? Was it Tate last year?
78:25Didn't he end up winning it? He did win.
78:27I think he did. I think he came back.
78:30More importantly, who's the hottest rookie? That's another conversation all my friends and I are having.
78:34You're right. Tate did win. Yeah. The only guy I think Jordan Tyson with like, I don't know, Olave, Olave's health, like
78:40Jordan Tyson might just be fucking great. And if Tyler Shuck is good and the Saints offense is good and Jordan Tyson
78:47has 1100 yards, I think he could win. Yeah.
78:49There's got to be a new name. You guys are coming on my pod to do the I like that guy awards or whatever we call them.
78:57But there's got to be a new name for the guy everyone has completely given up on because of some sort of
79:03physical stuff like Olave last year, who then was really good.
79:06And everybody was like, yeah, he's had too many concussions.
79:08I'm out. But then people ignore him every year.
79:11I feel like no one talks about Chris Olave because they just think he's going to get a concussion.
79:16Well, I wonder if Tua is that guy this year.
79:19Yeah. Tua, he could be the starter just the whole year.
79:22I think he's going to play 70. He might play 17 games for the Falcons this year.
79:27Yeah. He won't be on my team. I think the guy this year that I can't talk myself into because he'll just always get hurt is Xavier Worthy.
79:34I think he's the new version of that. He's already hurt.
79:38I just. Yeah. Yeah. That guy. If I, if I tackled Xavier Worthy, he might sprain his ankle.
79:43I don't think I can buy into that. It is funny when you read the August pieces and I read a Xavier Worthy thing today.
79:49And it's almost like being at a cocktail party where people are offering you appetizers.
79:54Like, would you like a pigs in the blanket?
79:56It's like, I think I would. And I was, I was seeing the Xavier Worthy.
80:00There was an article about like nothing went right for him last year.
80:04He got hurt in the first game in the first half.
80:07I was like, yeah, he really did. Maybe he's really good.
80:10Maybe he just had the year from hell. I started, my brain started going there, but that's the best thing about August.
80:16You start thinking Denzel Boston is Terrell Owens. It's a great time.
80:19Things are heating up. Let me ask you for the ringer fantasy league.
80:23Do you like the punishment system where everybody drafts their own punishment?
80:26Do you like that or no? You think it should just be one punishment?
80:30I think it would be more fun to open it up to the listeners for what the punishment should be after where
80:36we give them like seven choices and they vote.
80:39I'd like to bring in the fans. We had, someone did email in and say it should be the, the, I don't
80:45know that we can come with a better, but they were like the est, like the EST as in like the sourest,
80:51the, the, like just basically just a bunch of superlatives for like this, like having eat this sourest candy or the hot,
80:57maybe in the hottest chicken wings or the hottest, it's hot sauce and everything has to be like the worst version of something.
81:03Is there any way to replicate Matt Damon having to listen to the sirens in the Odyssey?
81:08Is there, could that be a punishment? Yeah. What concert do we force you to go?
81:13We tie somebody around a pole with rope and something terrible happens.
81:16I'll just record an album of me like singing 2000 songs or something.
81:19And then just make Sal listen to it for like 12 hours or something.
81:23We make Bill watch like, like Captain America, Civil, Winter Soldier.
81:26I'd rather quit the week. Maybe it's just Heifetz and I mispronouncing confusing names.
81:30Just, just long, long names that have more than 10 letters.
81:33We make Bill do Captain America month on the rewatchable.
81:36He has to do all four in a row.
81:39Who would win? If Heifetz and I went head to head with, uh, with a speech dyslexia sports thing, who would win?
81:45It's pretty bad. Who's, who's worse? Um, my experience is Heifetz.
81:48Heifetz. Yeah, I think it's Heifetz. Mine's worse, but I think people correct me more.
81:52So you keep yours for longer. But like Bill's like Bill will say Corey Barker instead of Curry Barker, which is not like him.
81:59He's not, he didn't mispronounce it. He just got it wrong.
82:02Heifetz is actively mispronouncing words that he's reading and knows how to spell.
82:05Well, that's because Heifetz and I are both writers.
82:08We, our brains, we move like a writing. I don't know why it doesn't happen to Danny, but yeah, I've, I've always done it.
82:14I've always had this issue. Speaking of which, do you pronounce the L in almond?
82:18This is a big deal. No, it's all, isn't it almond?
82:22Yeah. Almond. You pronounce the L, you do. Almond.
82:24Who doesn't pronounce the L? Danny? Who do you think?
82:27Who do you think? No, also apparently a majority of Americans don't pronounce the L.
82:31I think it's an East coast thing or something, but there are apparently a large swath of people that say almond and not almond.
82:38If you go to any dictionary, the pronunciation guides says the L is silent and they still are mad at me.
82:43What do you do for, for A-U-N-T? Haunt? Oh, aunt.
82:46Oh, I say, I say, I, I say, I say, I say aunt.
82:50I say aunt. Yeah. My family says aunt. Yeah.
82:52I say aunt. But a lot of people are aunt and, and haughty about it.
82:56Yeah. Yeah. Wait, if it's, you're saying that you say aunt.
82:59I kind of, I think I weave in and out of both.
83:03I think you say aunt. Honestly. I say aunt, aunt, I don't know.
83:06I say a lot of words wrong. I mean, God, they never let it go.
83:11I said maestro instead of maestro once about Ben Johnson.
83:13I never heard the end of that one. Um, how did you say Grantland?
83:17Is there a Grantland? Is there a, how many words are there to say Grantland?
83:21People have messed that one up. People will say what, Grantland?
83:24Grantland. Grantland. If you say Grantland. I love Grantland.
83:27Grantland. We didn't say the Lent. Adam Friedland has the same thing.
83:30Yes, it's just like Adam Friedland. It's not Friedland.
83:33But most people see it and they want to say Friedland, but it's Friedland.
83:37It's Friedland. Yeah. Yeah. See, it's the kind of stuff you learn.
83:40All right. Open it up to your listeners. I'm interested to see what they think.
83:44Emails at ringerfantasyfootballgmail.com for punishments. And then are snake drafts still booger eater drafts?
83:48Are we doing a booger eater draft for this?
83:50Yeah, we're doing. Yeah. I'm kind of coming back on snake drafts.
83:54Oh, yeah. Just because I'm getting older and stupider.
83:56I'm coming back. So were you wrong before or are you like eating boogers now?
84:00I'm just dropping back down to where the booger ears are.
84:03It's a safer place. It's better. It's bliss, you know?
84:06I think this is one of the great fantasy years of all time.
84:10Wow. Like there's a complete, it's almost like what's happened in movies with where movies got really good this year and we
84:16started moving away from, you know, superhero movies and terrible ideas.
84:19And we're actually like building around creative people. Yeah.
84:21Now that we have so many good quarterbacks, it's completely unleashed fantasy again.
84:25And it's. And good play callers. Now it's like we're building around Ben Johnson and Mike McKinnon and all these guys.
84:31There's real strategy again. It's not just like, oh, I have a $60 running back and then let me, let me get lucky with receivers.
84:38It's like, do I want to spend money on a quarterback?
84:41Do I want to back an entire offense? There's like five, six offenses.
84:44You can just be like, I'm getting everyone on this offense.
84:47Do you want to go the old school way?
84:50I like where we are with it. And there's the rookies are really hard this year too.
84:55You can't just be rolling the dice with, I think rookies and especially rookie running backs like you could in the past.
85:01It's nice that like Trevor Lawrence is a great coach and Liam Cohen and like Caleb Williams is the number one pick
85:07that has Ben Johnson and even Kyler. Seriously. Like number one pick.
85:10A lot of like the most talented quarterbacks are working with the most respected coaches.
85:14Yeah. Right. And listen, sleep on Drake May, your own risk, everybody.
85:18Where are you on the Patriots? They're going to be good.
85:21What are we doing? They're going to be better than they were last year.
85:25They have more talent. They have the same coaching staff for the second year.
85:28Their schedule is a little harder. Fine. But the team is better.
85:32There's no question. They have more talent. Is a little part of you.
85:35AJ Brown and the team. Is a little part of you happy that like the big coach story of the offseason is
85:41now Kyle Shanahan as opposed to your guy? Listen, it was nice to take some pressure off my guy Vrabes.
85:47No one's talking about it anymore. Now it's the substation.
85:50There's one person. One person is talking about it, Craig.
85:53Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, true. Think about the things that bump Vrabel off.
85:56Aaron Rodgers, the substation, all the San Francisco stuff.
85:58Aaron Donald, Mayer may not come back. That's just going on day after day after day.
86:03Justin Herbert's like in la-la land with his new fiance.
86:06Justin Herbert's canoodling on the sidelines. That's been great.
86:08Yeah. Now there's some good people just realized Tampa didn't fire their coach last year.
86:12That's been a fun one. It's like, wait, Todd Bowles is still the coach.
86:16I thought he lost his job. Nope. He has his job.
86:19And then like the really stupid stuff like Lamar revenge season.
86:22Lamar is going to try harder this year. Like I always love that narrative of, oh, now that new coach, he's going
86:28to really, he has something to prove. He's nothing to prove.
86:31He won two MVPs. The only thing he has to prove is how far can he go in the playoffs.
86:37It's not, I don't think his mindset's going to, do you guys think anything's going to be different about Lamar?
86:42I don't know. We do this every year with both Josh Allen and Lamar.
86:46It's like, this is the year they got to get to a Superbowl or it's over.
86:51And then they don't get to a Superbowl. Then the next year happens.
86:54Like what could they have done differently in preparation or anything?
86:57Like in basketball, sometimes they got like, there'll be a year where like Luca can come in and be 30 pounds, you
87:03know, in better shape or Joel Embiid. It's like, oh my God, those guys got, but you can't, you can't not be
87:10in shape when you're the quarterback, right? When you're Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, you're not going to become fat.
87:15If anything, I think being fatter is better. I feel like most of the great quarterbacks of all time are not ripped.
87:21I know. I usually, I don't like, I like when they have a little extra padding.
87:26I wish Drake May was 20 pounds heavier. I know.
87:28Caleb lost weight. I don't know if you saw that.
87:31He lost like 10, 15 pounds. Looks great. I did.
87:34Listen, you guys expounded on it in the hottest quarterback section.
87:37Yeah. He's, he made a, made a run in the top seven.
87:40It was unexpected. It was a Cinderella story. You could argue he should be four now after the weight loss, but it looks really good.
87:47I didn't, I didn't really appreciate or like the borough ranking at all.
87:51Hmm. You think he's too high or too low at number three?
87:54I have a 21 year old daughter, um, who has been on my podcast many times.
87:59And if she came home with Joe Burrow, I'd be upset.
88:02I'd be like, this guy seems like a goober.
88:04What's going on with this dude? Yeah. Is this going to be your boyfriend?
88:08I don't know. There's something, something off with him.
88:11Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be psyched about that. We always talk about this hypothetically.
88:14If we had as much money as Joe Burrow, would we buy a Batmobile?
88:18And you actually can talk to this. Would you buy a Batmobile?
88:22Yeah. Joe Burrow spends his money like a, like a middle schooler.
88:25Is it like a LaMilla Ball penthouse situation? I just saw that.
88:28I couldn't believe. The Josh Baskin penthouse. He was like the kid in big.
88:32He is. Well, the idea that Joe Burrow bought his lineman katanas is like the funniest thing to me.
88:37I got you really cool swords. It's funny. He looks like Macaulay Culkin a little bit.
88:42And he kind of lives like Kevin in Home Alone when his parents are gone or he's just eating ice cream every day and ordering pizza.
88:49Like that is kind of how Burrow lives. Maybe this was overlaps with what you already did.
88:54But the single coolest quarterback is another interesting rankings.
88:56We talked about this. What was it? Heifetz thought we were saying Mahomes is cooler than somebody.
89:01Well, no. I said Mahomes was cool and you and Craig were appalled at me.
89:05I don't think Mahomes is cool. I think Baker Mayfield is one of the cooler quarterbacks.
89:10I think it has to be only judged by how cool they are to their teammates in command of the locker room and the huddle.
89:16And just Baker. Ability to have people follow them, I think is what it is.
89:21I think Josh Allen has that. A hundred percent.
89:23Not positive about Burrow. I think it's Allen. I think it's Baker.
89:26It's Rogers. Rogers had it. There's no question. Yeah.
89:29He probably still has it. I actually think Roethlisberger had it for a while.
89:33What? As his play declined and declined. But I do think he was a big jump on my back.
89:38Rivers was one of the best ones. That's why he kept getting hurt all the time.
89:42Yeah. Rivers is a good one. Rivers was good.
89:45Like a leader of men. The leader of men draft is...
89:48Leader of men. We really had those in the 70s and 80s.
89:51I felt like we had more of those. These guys that were like, I'll leave my leg on the field for you.
89:57Yeah. I'll just play with the other one. Who was the best?
90:01Who was the defining guy on that? Leader of men?
90:04Yeah. I mean, I would say Montana. That's what I was thinking too.
90:07Marino and Elway were both good with this too.
90:10Marino... I think Marino was... Everyone was afraid of him.
90:12Supposedly Phil Simms was pretty good at this. Like some of these guys that were like kind of like, you know, above
90:18average quarterbacks, but the leadership and tangible smart stuff pushed it over the top.
90:22Heifetz can... There was some good Phil Simms stuff.
90:25Yeah. Simms... It's funny because like Jeff Hostetler ended up winning one of the Super Bowls, which is funny.
90:30Sims... True. That team was loaded though. The more you heard Phil Simms speak as an announcer, I think the less the
90:36lore got to me in the past. It was like...
90:39Like the Brady thing. Yeah. Exactly. I will say Tom Brady...
90:42I hate to say this, but Tom Brady is the answer here.
90:45Because DK, I thought... I still think my favorite thing, summing up Tom Brady's career is what DK said, which he compared
90:51him to Alexander the Great that people would... Because he never lost a battle everyone thought with him.
90:56He couldn't die. And that really was the Buccaneers.
90:59Yeah. Everyone's just like, well, Tom Brady's on my side, which I thought you saw in the World Cup with Argentina.
91:05All the Argentinian players are like, well, we have Messi.
91:08We're going to win the game. And you saw that on the other teams they play where they're like, yeah, they're probably going to tie the game.
91:15And like England screwed up England's whole thing is because they had Messi and everyone...
91:19Like you can't... Like the confidence, having a great guy like that, like so much of execution is confidence.
91:24Yeah. And it's the thing that it seems like with the Eagles is the question with Jalen Hurts, even though he's already won a Super Bowl.
91:32But they're still like that. When you have those QBs where there's still like that little bit of doubt.
91:37You know? Cam Ward might have it for all we know.
91:40Like there's some young guys that if they have better teams around them, we'll see if it comes out.
91:45But it's an interesting time for QBs. It does feel like there's about to be a shift with this class, this entrenched class that we had.
91:52But there's this next group coming. Like Caleb might by the end of the year be one of the five best QBs in the league.
91:59Or he might just be exactly like he was last year.
92:02Who knows? It's weird that a lot of the quarterbacks that have been like the guys for the last so many years are like 30 now.
92:10It's just weird that Mahomes and Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson are all like 30 or turning 30.
92:15We don't have a ton of sample sizes of like a bunch of mobile quarterbacks aging.
92:19With wear and tear. Yes. But we don't really know like what Lamar at 35 or Josh Allen at 35 will look like.
92:25Well, the history for Lamar is not that favorable for the guys that run a lot.
92:30Allen, I think, is excluded from all this because he's superhuman.
92:33He's basically like having an outside linebacker playing quarterback.
92:35Yeah. But Lamar is a little more of a normal body.
92:38And, you know, I was shocked by his rushing stats last year were like half of what they were at his peak.
92:44And is that like an aberration or is that just where we're headed with him?
92:49I know. I completely. I took him in the fantasy, the Ringer Fantasy League, and he ruined my entire season because he was genuinely hurt.
92:56He was definitely very hurt, but looked horrible in the pocket.
92:59I mean, he took so many sacks. I mean, it just like completely sapped his skill.
93:03But I do think, I don't know. I mean, I'm probably going to bet on him to bounce back than I am
93:09him to be just terrible all of a sudden.
93:12It's usually every other year, right, for him? He's 29.
93:14Burrow is another every other year guy. It's an even year, which means the Bengals are going to be good.
93:20Usually in the odd years, they get injured. Hey, the last time Burrow was in the playoffs, I was trying to think,
93:26what were we all doing in 2022? We were still wearing masks here and there.
93:30What's going on? Like, it was a while ago.
93:33Burrow gets a lot of slack from everybody. It's pretty interesting.
93:36Well, the Bengals. They're like a Giannis situation. The Bengals, they're going to be a team trying to keep a superstar because
93:42if the Bengals miss the playoffs this year, I think they went very in.
93:46I think they're afraid Burrow might leave. I think other executives think that the Burrow might want out.
93:51And it's very much like trying to placate Luca or trying to be honest where they need to keep Joe Burrow wanting to play in Cincinnati.
93:58Do they? That is that is. Yes, they do.
94:00Yes. If they miss the playoffs four years in a row.
94:03Yeah. I think other teams are wondering if he'll want to leave.
94:07You're looking at him, aren't you? He fits. You're thinking about it.
94:10He'd be a great stealer. There's all. Everybody's already connecting him to the Rams.
94:14Like future Rams quarterback, Joe Burrow. Yeah. With the Rams with all their first round picks, they have just ready to make it.
94:20What could they possibly do? No first round picks.
94:23Well, Ty's in Aaron Donald's contract. Yeah. Danny, do you think.
94:26The Bengals quarterback. I was watching Get Up this morning because I woke up super early for God knows why.
94:31I had coffee and I didn't want to go outside yet because it was still dark.
94:36So I put on Get Up. And they did a segment about if Aaron Donald comes back to the Rams, will this
94:42be one of the greatest defenses ever? And Greeny was ripping off the defenses.
94:46And I was just like, what's going on? Like, even if they have Aaron Donald, would this, would they even be one
94:52of the best defenses of this decade? Like they have two awesome guys, but like for an 11 person defense, I wouldn't,
94:58they're not going to be like the first defense drafted in fantasy or anything.
95:02I don't think. I think it's going to be Houston.
95:05I mean, yeah. Going into the season, even if Donald comes back, you still look at the Seahawks.
95:10You still look at the Texans, probably a couple other teams.
95:13But I do think Donald is going to be good.
95:15Like, I do think he's still going to be really good, which is terrifying.
95:19They're going to use him here and there. I mean, they're going to probably keep him super limited to try and just make it to the playoffs.
95:27Just passing downs. Yeah. I think, I don't know.
95:29I mean, first of all, they did trade Trent McDuffie, who was a first team all pro cornerback a couple of years ago.
95:36I would say this, Bill. I think the question is if Aaron Donald is able to get back to how good he was.
95:42Let's just say it's possible because Cam Hayward's older than him.
95:45Cam Hayward's made second team all pros. So let's just say if Aaron Donald does.
95:49Aaron Donald's the best defensive tackle of the 21st century.
95:52And Miles Garrett might be the best pass rusher of the 21st century.
95:56And if they play together, they make everyone else better.
95:58And so I don't know if they will. It's certainly, I think one of the better defense, like automatically there have the
96:04potential to just be dominant because it's, they, those are two just scheme breaking players.
96:09But that's a different question though. The two guys together as like one of the best duos we've ever had.
96:14I don't think that, I don't think that translates to this is one of the best defenses ever.
96:19It's a season long versus one game kind of question.
96:22I feel like, like if it's the playoffs and it's, you have Aaron Donald and Miles Garrett for one series, you might take that over any defense.
96:29It's like having Mariano Rivera. Right. I would take the Texans or, you know, Seattle.
96:34Well, Danny's starting to get worried about the Seahawks.
96:36I can see it in his eyes. No, I, I'm.
96:39And Minori's waits to get surgery. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to get it now.
96:43Hey, Danny didn't like that. God, this is terrible, man.
96:46And like Aaron Donald, he left. You got it.
96:48You can't come back. You're not allowed to do that.
96:51It's like Dr. Loomis. You're out of my life.
96:54He was dead. We buried him. You know, you can't come back.
96:57It's not allowed. I just really want him to go find something else that he loves.
97:02He's definitely coming back. Oh, he's coming back. Yeah.
97:04Yeah. It's, I think this can be the most fun football season from a, I don't know what the F's going to
97:10happen standpoint that we've had since COVID. Yeah. I really think you could make a case for like six AFC teams.
97:16Seattle versus the Rams is great. Bears, Lions, Packers.
97:18That whole division is awesome. Eagles versus Cowboys. Like you go on down the line.
97:23It's, this is going to be sick. And, and guess what?
97:26The NFC South is going to be as awful as always.
97:29We have that too. Right. That too. Awesome. Bill, thank you so much for coming on.
97:33Email us at ringofantasyfootballachiever.com for grenades. We're going to, we're going to figure out how to sharpen this idea for grenades and how to just wield shitty quarterbacks.
97:41Grenades and mid fifties sports podcasters, the hottest. Like who's your competition?
97:44Like Colin. I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Who's my competition?
97:47Stephen A. Exactly. You know, come on. Greeny. Rich Eisen.
97:50There we go. Yeah. He's fast. He's the whisters thing.
97:52All right. Thanks guys. It's your fourth time. Yeah.
97:55Awesome. Thank you. Good to see you. All right.
97:57Thank you to DK. Thank you to Craig. Thank you to Bill for joining us.
98:02Thank you to Gahau who had to set up Bill's setup in the middle of that or else it would never have happened.
98:08Just clutch. Just unbelievable. Gahau the hero. The hero.
98:10The hero. The hero. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Abu.
98:13Thank you to kill. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos.
98:16Thank you, everyone for listening. Email us to ringer fantasy football.
98:19Gmail dot com punishments that people will actually do for the ringer fantasy football league.
98:23Email us grenades and whatever. How to figure that out.
98:26That bill idea for quarterbacks. There's something there. I really do.
98:29There's something there. Really? Something there. It needs. I think you got to make it simple.
98:33We need to be able to explain it in a couple sentences.
98:37It can't just be the whole. I agree. Thank you, Lauren.
98:40Lauren, DK, you want in on the Millennial Bangers, I'm told.
98:43I want back in, baby. I want to keep being able to do this.
98:47You're getting itchy without Lauren. I'm going to give a shout out to our good friend, T.I.
98:51Oh, wow. Whatever you like. 2008. Sure. You can have whatever you like.
98:55Okay. I don't know why, but that just really puts me at, Craig, it's right what you're saying.
99:00It's like a happy song. Things are great. This is the best day ever.
99:04We're drinking. We're gambling. T.I. was so big at this exact time period.
99:08This is because he had live your life. You can have whatever you like.
99:11Which was crazy. Great. Yeah. And then, oh, dude, dead and gone.
99:15Yeah. With Timberlake. Dude, T.I. is a great call, DK.
99:18There are some lyrics in Whatever You Like that are quite provocative, Daniel.
99:21Are they really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like what, Craig?
99:24Let's hear it. Look, you can have whatever you like if you're with T.I.
99:28That is the message, and he means it. I don't need to get into the particulars.
99:32Maybe there's people listening with children. But you can look up the lyrics for yourself.
99:36Let's just say things are hot and heavy when you're hanging out with T.I.
99:40You getting all shy now? We once read the entire lyrics of the song My Dick on this show.
99:45Craig, I said put it in my mouth on the last show.
99:49I feel like it's always me doing it, so somebody else needs to do it.
99:53Yeah, DK, read it. DK doesn't get shy about these things.
99:56Brain's so good, I swore you went to college?
99:59What do you mean by that? In the first chorus, kind of read the middle lines in the first chorus.
100:04Is it though? I gas up the jet for you tonight?
100:07No, wait. Hold on. Right before that. Read it, Craig.
100:10It's actually not that bad. I'm just, there was something the other day where like I was talking about something online, and
100:16Liz watched it, and she's like, why is it always you saying that shit?
100:20And I was like, it is always me. Stacks on deck, Patron on ice.
100:24We can pop bottles all night. Baby, you can have whatever you like.
100:27Late nights. Oh, yeah. Okay. Late. I remember this.
100:30Late night sex. So wet and so tight. There we go.
100:33There we go. So wet and so tight. He's just describing, you know, what he's feeling.
100:37Yeah, literally. Yeah. I love song lyrics, man. It's the best.
100:40Late night sex. So wet and so tight. It was worth it for me to hold off.
100:45Good addition though, DK. Yeah. That song just takes me back.
100:48That's all I got. Great. You're a little freak.
100:51Shouts out 2008. As always. I want your body.
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