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0:55The Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck, and we are
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1:09It feels back. It feels back. You see Kyler Murray for like 10 snaps.
1:13You see Joe Burrow for like 7 plays, and you get a little, like it's a tease.
1:18Yeah, Joe Burrow got sacked on the opening pass, and Jackson Dart's in the blue tent, so it kind of feels like we're back.
1:25Jackson Dart. Don't even get me started on Jackson.
1:27Okay, I actually, I was not planning on this.
1:30We're going to start with Jackson Dart because I'm so mad.
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2:45All right, I'm sorry to start with the giants, but Craig, you brought it up.
2:49Well, what's funny is, did you see the quotes from Dart after?
2:53I kind of, I didn't know what to think of it when he was like, I don't know why I'm going to the blue tent so much.
3:00Jesus Christ, I just got tackled. Everybody relaxed. Maybe it's because he was laying there like he was dead for a solid like four seconds.
3:08Maybe that. I think he's averaging a blue tent every two games.
3:11I believe he has 10 games and five tents.
3:14It's 43% of his starts he got blue tented.
3:16It's unbelievable. I think Jackson Dart thinks it's a conspiracy.
3:19He's like, they just want to put me in the tent, man.
3:22And I'm like, no, imagine being the concussion spotter that has to decide that, that like you didn't send him to the tent at this point.
3:30Do you think the tent's going to get sponsored soon?
3:33Like the Cedars-Sinai blue tent? That's a good God.
3:35That's good. Kaiser Permanente. Kaiser Permanente. There we go.
3:38Oh, man. This writes itself. It really does. Wow.
3:40Dude, that's good. Someone write that down. I'm glad I said what you just said, though, because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
3:47Him complaining about going to the tent. The dude laid there like he's like motionless for several seconds.
3:53What do you expect, man? Well, he doesn't remember it, DK.
3:56Jesus. He probably got knocked out. He has no recollection.
3:59Why do you expect him to know that? I mean, he did get drilled.
4:03He got drilled. Well, I actually do think the takeaway from that one is Tyron Tracy just whiffed on that block.
4:09And that's as basic as pass protection gets. That's like high school football.
4:12Line we go left, running back goes right. It's the simplest version of it.
4:16And the irony is Tyron Tracy was a receiving running back.
4:19He's a receiver in college, but he's not big enough to do goal line work and he's not going to do pass down work.
4:26And my takeaway from it was it was cool that Jackson Dart came back.
4:30Amazing off script throw to Malachi Fields, the rookie out of Notre Dame in the end zone.
4:35Awesome. Love Malachi Fields as a compliment to Malik Neighbors.
4:38But my takeaway watching the Giants was Scadabu is back and he's underrated in drafts because I don't know how he got
4:44his strength back, but he's totally normal and he's already a value.
4:48Let's just start with them. We've halfway done it.
4:50I would say that a winner is absolutely Cam Scadabu.
4:53I want that crazy bastard on my team. He looks healthy.
4:56He's playing. Like I think the crazy, he's fucking playing in preseason week one.
5:00The guy broke his leg not that long ago.
5:03His ankle was turned 180 degrees. He's playing. He's doing backflips and Tyron Tracy on the very first, in the very first
5:09quarter, almost got Jackson Dart knocked out of the game.
5:12Like Scadabu is going to be a thing. They're working out Najee Harris this week.
5:17Scadabu was an extremely productive fantasy running back as a rookie in like the four games he played with Jackson Dart.
5:23Like if the two of those guys are on the field, which I know is a massive caveat, he's going to be
5:29good and he's going to be underrated. I agree.
5:31And also, it's funny because preseason, some of it doesn't matter at all, but that's what coaches care about.
5:37Missing a block that's like you learned seven years ago how to do and getting the quarterback crushed is what coaches care about.
5:43I think Scadabu, again, the Pat Corrine rule, he needs a path to seven touchdowns or 45 catches.
5:49Scadabu's got both. And just because he's big and white and runs into telephone poles as a kid, people like he's just
5:55and he broke his leg and did two different places and missed the black backflip.
5:59I think he's kind of an underrated guy. So we have Scadabu right now ranked as like, man, I think we're low on him.
6:06We have him 55th. I think we got to move him up like around and a half.
6:11I think he should be like a top 40, like maybe top 40 player.
6:15I'll remind people right now that last year he played basically six healthy games, four with Jackson Dart, two with Russell Wilson.
6:21In those six games, he was the RB seven.
6:24He was averaging 17 fantasy points per game and he was getting 19 touches a game.
6:28Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. I think, yeah, I agree.
6:31Craig. Wait, hold on. Let's stick on this though.
6:34Would you say Jackson Dart was a winner? Uh, what is DK?
6:37What's the old German word for getting hit so hard that you have to get medically checked and coming in and just immediately throwing a touchdown?
6:45Like, right off. Don't come. But I know I was like worried because then they brought in James Winston.
6:50I thought he I thought his day was done.
6:53And then it was like, whoa, he's back in throwing a touchdown.
6:56It was great. I don't know. I don't think he's a winner necessarily, especially after the stuff he said after the game.
7:03I just feel like the only thing we needed from Dart was to not get concussion checked and he immediately got hit.
7:09So I would say no, not a winner, technically, even though that was a cool throw.
7:14Yeah. Jackson Dart's interesting because there were reports that he's been like messy in camp or whatever.
7:18I do think he's a real gamer. Like, I do think he's it's kind of like a cliche to say, but I
7:25do feel like when Jackson Dart gets on the field, he is legitimately better than he is in practice.
7:30And I'm not sure why. But like, I actually think under the bright lights, he plays better.
7:35He also is a lack of self-preservation out of structure stuff to that.
7:39He's really good at. And that's why he's good at fantasy, because he's scrambling around and doing all that stuff, too.
7:45The touchdown was also going to his offside. It was rolling to his left.
7:49It was an impressive throw. Sue, it was an amazing throw.
7:52Malachi Fields, again, it wasn't so much receiving going on in Notre Dame the last few years.
7:57But I will just say it's nice. Giants have big receivers.
8:00Plaxico Burrus was big. Hakeem Nix was big. It was nice to have a big receiver again opposite neighbors.
8:05If neighbors hits the field again. With that said, we shouldn't have probably started with the Giants.
8:10But Craig, you mentioned Dart, and I just couldn't contain myself.
8:13But Craig, who is your big loser out of preseason week one?
8:17I'm going to go with Jeremiah Love, the rookie running back on the Cardinals.
8:21And I want to discuss this with you guys, because there's a world in which you could say he's maybe a winner,
8:27just based on what we saw from him. But he played a lot.
8:31He got 14 touches, 73 total yards from scrimmage.
8:34And on his 14th and last touch, maybe there would have been more, he injured his ankle, and it now appears as
8:40though he has a high ankle sprain, which is just the last thing you want.
8:44High ankle sprains is one of the most nagging injuries in the NFL.
8:48Sometimes it's enough to derail an entire fantasy season.
8:50We've seen CeeDee Lamb. These guys get hurt in the first month of the season, and you kind of can't recover.
8:56I guess he has a month, and that's nice.
8:59But I want to start with the positives. There was a lot going on on Twitter, and I fully agreed with it,
9:05where everyone was saying that this guy looks like Adrian Peterson.
9:08Yeah. And I got to be honest, I think he did.
9:12The herky-jerky way in which he runs almost kind of looked just aesthetically.
9:15He ran much more kind of, yes, just aesthetically.
9:18Like his size, the way he moved, his kind of violent shaking cuts really look, his like frame, it did look like Adrian Peterson to me.
9:25He looked like he immediately belonged in the NFL, and I was like, wow.
9:29It's tricky because if he hadn't gotten hurt, I almost would have said I would rise him in the rankings a little bit.
9:36Because I'm like, maybe this is a lot of posturing that we've heard from this staff, and they're trying to make their
9:42rookie work hard in the fucking training camp, which is understandable.
9:45And they are going to give him the ball a lot.
9:49Because I thought he looked fantastic. Yeah. I mean, you guys ever notice how sometimes when players change uniforms, it like makes them look either smaller or bigger?
9:57I feel like when Jeremiah Love in the Cardinals uniform, for some reason, he just looks big.
10:02He looks like James Conner out there. He is a big, he's like 6'1".
10:06Like he's a big, he's 6'1", 220. Like he's a tall running back.
10:09But he just looks bigger. He looks larger than life.
10:12But I totally agree, Craig. Like the tweet that I think went kind of viral was like, ball knowers will know exactly who this guy runs like.
10:20And immediately you just, your mind goes to Adrian Peterson, the herky-jerky way that he runs kind of.
10:25And like a lot of really just sharp cuts, really just exaggeratedly sharp cutting.
10:29He caught passes. He was doing everything and just looked like a fully formed running back in the NFL.
10:34Again, high ankle sprain, not great. We have him as our 13th running back.
10:39The guys that we have below him that it's like, okay, so let's factor in the fact that he has the high ankle sprain.
10:45The Cardinals offense, you know, we'll see. Would you really drop him below Heifetz?
10:49So with this ankle sprain, would you drop him below guys like Kyron Williams, Javante Williams, Brees Hall, and Josh Jacobs?
10:55Those are the four running backs we have below him.
10:58Yes or no. I'm not taking Jeremiah Love this year.
11:01Like I'm not going to have Jeremiah Love on my teams.
11:04It's just three strikes, you're out. And again, Jeremiah Love in a vacuum as a player is amazing.
11:09I really think Jeremiah Love is a mix of Reggie Bush, Christian McCaffrey.
11:13I love Jeremiah Love. But three strikes, you're out.
11:16Cardinals are a bad team. Like if you look at the Cardinals schedule, they actually might start 0-11.
11:21That is on the table. They're a bad team.
11:24Jeremiah Love's a rookie. And he has a high ankle sprain.
11:27To your point, CeeDee Lamb last year had a high ankle sprain in week three.
11:31He had the worst season since he was a rookie.
11:34Like a high ankle sprain is a serious injury.
11:36It's a little bit like turf toe where it sounds a lot more whimsical than it is.
11:41High ankle sprain saps your explosiveness. It is like Odell Beckham, Saquon Barkley.
11:45Like all these guys who have bad high ankle sprains don't recover the same year.
11:49It's very difficult. And then if the Cardinals already were going to push Jeremiah Love, they're going to rethink it now.
11:55Because they're going to start 1-9 and they're going to be pushing this rookie who's already missing a month of practice to
12:02then like aggravate a very aggravatable injury that is a high ankle sprain.
12:05I don't see it. And I don't want to deal with it every week.
12:09I don't want to wonder if I should play the injured rookie against the Seahawks or if it's going to be favored by 16.
12:16And I just – so I'm – will I put him below Kyron Williams?
12:20I don't know. I'm going to rank him far enough down that I'll never take him is the truth.
12:26The other thing to talk about here is – well, just to tack on first.
12:30Yeah. You question how many touchdowns they're going to score.
12:33That is the big thing. Does he have a lot of touchdown upside?
12:37I'd say in this offense, probably not. Also, doesn't it help that their first-round pick – or sorry, second-round pick, Chase Besantis,
12:43also tore his MCL or tore his ACL? He's out.
12:46He's out at a Texas A&M. He's out for an extended period of time.
12:50No, he tore his MCL. Chase Besantis is out for the entire season.
12:54And then the third-round pick, Carson Beck, missed this game with a rib injury.
12:58And their fourth-round pick, the defensive lineman, is also out for the season.
13:01So the Cardinals' first four picks in this draft are already hurt.
13:05I just think – and then add in the fact you have – and they might trade these guys or get rid of them before the season starts.
13:13But Algier just signed there. James Conner is still a part of that.
13:16Like, he could siphon off some of the passing game work.
13:20It's just kind of hard to get super excited about Jeremiah Love right now as a fantasy player.
13:25Even though long-term, dynasty-wise, I am more excited than ever about him.
13:28In fact, I probably should have had him higher in all my rankings just because he looked incredible when he was touching the football.
13:35I want to ask you guys a question. My contrarian brain turned on this weekend when everyone was like, the Cardinals are
13:41fucking idiots for giving him 14 touches in the preseason, blah, blah, blah.
13:45I don't know if I believe this, but my contrarian brain was like, why does it matter?
13:50They're not going to fucking win this year anyway.
13:53Like, let him play. You know what I mean?
13:55Like, does it matter that he got hurt? Really?
13:58Not really. I mean, other than selling tickets. What if he tore his ACL?
14:02I mean, it's a fuck that he got hurt.
14:04No, I'm just saying, like, the idea of preserving him for the regular season so he can go 0-11 to start out.
14:11It's like, who gives a fuck? I don't know.
14:13Here's the thing. It's almost surely wrong that I think it doesn't matter.
14:17But, like, my contrarian brain is just basically like, they're not going to win anyway.
14:21Like, why does it matter if they're, like, conserving him for the season?
14:25Marty Drunk, let's have one more. I'm still going to be hungover.
14:28Who cares? Yeah. It's whatever. It's a dumb take.
14:31But, yeah. I feel like they didn't need to play him.
14:34No one would give a shit if he didn't get hurt.
14:37No one's going to be like, I can't believe he got so many touches if Jeremiah Love was not injured.
14:43But, like, also people get mad when they don't play the rookie running backs immediately anyway.
14:48It is a little bit like you can't win with the preseason stuff.
14:51You either don't play people and then you're like, oh, they're rusty at the beginning of the year.
14:57Or you do play them and they're fucking hurt because football is very violent.
15:01The only thing that matters is winning. And also the problem is Michael Fleur is his haircut is unserious.
15:06And so anything he does that goes wrong will be blamed on him.
15:10Also, first of all, for our purposes, you're going to see this a lot here.
15:14It's weird that there is a coach. There are two coaches, brothers.
15:17M LaFleur, whose biggest star on offense is J.
15:20Love. Like, you have the Packers with Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love as the quarterback.
15:24And then Mike LaFleur and Jeremiah Love. So NFL Network had the thing.
15:28M LaFleur says J. Love might miss week one.
15:31And then Packers fans were like, what? Let's keep it on.
15:34We've got M LaFleur and J. Harbaugh right now in the NFL.
15:37It's a problem. Anyway, do you guys disagree? I don't want Jeremiah Love.
15:41I'm going to put him outside the top three.
15:44I don't want him on my team. Like, I don't want my third pick to be a rookie with a high ankle
15:50sprain on the worst team in the NFL. I generally agree with you.
15:54Can we, before we move on to our next winner or loser, can we do a quick name game?
15:59Sure. Jeremiah Love or Josh Jacobs? Let's assume Josh Jacobs plays.
16:02Josh Jacobs. DK? Yeah, probably Josh Jacobs now. Jeremiah Love or Javante Williams?
16:06Neither of the receivers. I'm being honest. It's, it's, I, if I'm not trying to take either, I'm trying to take Ladd McConkie, Emeko Buca, Devontae Smith, T.
16:14Higgins, Chris Alave, George Pickens. That's fair. But like, all those guys.
16:17Jalen Waddle. But let's say it's around later. Like, let's say Javante Williams and Jeremiah Love have now fallen around past where they should.
16:24And you're like, wow, these guys are values. Which one would you take?
16:28Javante, because there's all this stuff that happens to your brain in the offseason.
16:32Your, your brain on offseason is like, Jeremiah Love's so explosive.
16:35Think about the reason. And then it's like the season starts and the Cowboys have the best offense in the NFL and the Cardinals are the worst.
16:43And then you're like, why do I have the running back on the worst team in the NFL?
16:48I want, I wish he had the running back on the best offense.
16:52Yeah. DK, Travis Etienne or Jeremiah Love? Hmm. I think that's where it starts to get close.
16:57This is, I think the area that he should probably like be dropped into.
17:01I would take Love, but he'll be gone by then.
17:04That's the point. Like he'll be gone. Well, we'll see.
17:06I mean, he just has a high angles, right?
17:09There's a chance he drops. You know, we don't know.
17:12I mean, we're going to drop him. To wrap it all up.
17:15It's amazing what the little Q does. A little questionable in the draft room.
17:19It's amazing what that does to people's minds. To tie it up in a little bow here.
17:24Cam Scadaboo or Jeremiah Love? I would take Scadaboo.
17:27Scadaboo. It's a perfect example of how fantasy works.
17:29Scadaboo is, I would, I pretty healthy would take Scadaboo over Love this season.
17:33Yeah. With the high ankle spray now. DK, who's your winner from preseason week one?
17:38Well, this is kind of along the same lines because this was my experience watching the Bills game the other day.
17:44And I turned it on. I watched the replay.
17:46I didn't have any information. I hadn't, like, checked Twitter or whatever.
17:50And I was like, three catches in. DJ Moore.
17:52I'm putting him in the top ten. Like, he is going to go absolutely off this year.
17:57DJ Moore looks awesome. Great connection. Receivers not overall, I assume.
18:00No. Well, I was exaggerating in my own mind is what I'm saying.
18:04Like, basically, I was, like, getting really, really excited about DJ Moore.
18:08So, that was very Buzz Killington of me. Yeah, thanks.
18:10And then he got an injury. The joke you made is factually incorrect.
18:14A guide to dying alone. Yeah. And then, by the way, he did the, like, wave at a guy to come hit
18:20me thing after he caught a pass in the flats.
18:23And he was, like, running after the catch. And he, like, pointed at the defender.
18:28He's like, come on. Let's do this. Easily the best play of the preseason.
18:32Like, preseason? Like, DJ Moore might be back. DJ Moore might be back.
18:35DJ Moore, as a starter, is next level. Yeah.
18:38He's like, the jokers, like, hit me. Speaking of ruining, like, ruining things for no reason, was there a chance that he
18:44was maybe trying to tell one of his guys to block a guy?
18:48Maybe he wasn't actually, like, doing the come on thing.
18:51But anyway. But yeah. So, then he looked great.
18:53I'm like, the Bills offense, obviously, we know this is going to be a high-scoring team.
18:58They kind of have missed a go-to number one receiver, DJ Moore.
19:01I was getting so excited about this based on a very small sample.
19:05And then he gets rolled up on, hurts his ankle.
19:08There is fear that it's a high ankle sprain.
19:11We haven't really heard yet. No, he's fine. Joe Brady, there was a look like a high ankle sprain.
19:16Oh, yeah, coaches are super believable. Yeah. Oh, no.
19:19But when Joe Brady, the coach said he's good to go.
19:22Like Matt LaFleur did with Jeremiah Love, and then it turned out to be a high ankle sprain.
19:27First of all, Mike LaFleur, dangerous because it's a different level.
19:30M LaFleur. Come on. We just went over that.
19:33Come on. I'm never going to not do that.
19:35You're right. I guess I'm just taking his word for it.
19:38But I also think if he said good to go and he has a high ankle sprain, he can't play, it'd be
19:45pretty dumb if he said he's good to go.
19:47And then he just misses practice. I mean, let's let's maybe you're right.
19:51Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I think it'll be OK.
19:55But that was definitely a bit of a buzzkill from watching the first like couple of series because DJ Moore just looked awesome.
20:01And, you know, Josh Allen was doing his thing.
20:04And I just like got really excited about the Bills offense in general watching this preseason game.
20:09I think James Cook I'm like more excited about than ever.
20:12You know, clear Shakir, I think is going to be a good sleeper later in drafts.
20:17But yeah, the DJ Moore thing was kind of a roller coaster ride.
20:20I don't know what to do with him. I think he's a winner on this, but we got to see about the injury.
20:27As long as it's not a high ankle sprain, I think DJ Moore's a winner.
20:31I think he's maybe the most underrated player in fantasy.
20:34I agree. I mean, it's it's been a long time since the Bills have had like a good wide receiver one.
20:40And maybe DJ Moore is like not a top 10 receiver in the NFL, but he's definitely like a top 30 receiver in the NFL.
20:47And the Bills haven't had that in a really long time.
20:50And DJ Moore is like very capable of having twelve hundred yard, nine touchdown seasons.
20:55Like he's done that on shittier teams. I mean, you talk about name game.
20:59I'd rather have DJ. I mean, DJ Moore. I'd rather have DJ Moore of a Roma Dunzey.
21:04I'd take DJ Moore of a Jameson Williams. I'd take DJ Moore of a Luther Burden.
21:08Yeah, I think I would, too, with all those.
21:11Probably need to move him up. Just waiting on this injury, though, is kind of the big thing.
21:16Yeah, I mean, in Heifetz, you saying that like.
21:18A lot of those guys are very like big hype guys, Jameson Williams, Luther Burden.
21:23I do think you're going to be able to get DJ Moore at a very reasonable cost.
21:28It's because people are afraid to take someone who hasn't been good for two years.
21:32And it just comes down to he's the number one receiver.
21:35They're paying him like a Joe Brady's had years with DJ Moore, where DJ Moore had incredible target shares.
21:41And again, they're giving him a bonanza of money.
21:43And it's just people are afraid to rank him high because he's been disappointing for two years in a row.
21:49But it's just the bills got him to be the guy.
21:52Just again, he's just a flowers, but cheaper and better.
21:55Maybe. OK, maybe we'll bump DJ Moore up my well.
21:58No, I mentioned the Giants. I think Scadabo is a winner and dart loser.
22:02Craig, who else is a winner for you for preseason week one?
22:05Dijon Stribling, the rookie on the Niners, wide receiver, I think is probably one of the biggest winners of camp so far.
22:12And it translated right into preseason. He had seven catches for 63 yards in the first quarter and a half.
22:17Granted, like Mike Evans didn't play. There's really there's not a lot going on in the San Francisco wide receiver room.
22:23But Stribling had a lot of hype this offseason as a guy who was like catching on to things very quickly and looked like a pro out there.
22:31He played all three drives with the starters. They pulled him after a quarter and a half.
22:36And like I said, seven catches, 63 yards. Just like looked really good, had really strong hands.
22:41I came down with a deep ball where he went up and got it, landed, held onto the ball.
22:46Had another one where it looks like he just had like great control of the ball and great body control already.
22:53And, you know, Pearsall is out for the year.
22:55They brought in Debo Samuel. Mike Evans has been banged up, but I think he'll be fine.
23:00But I am starting to wonder, you know, we talk about how hard it is for a rookie to break through the Kyle Shanahan system in year one.
23:08Oh, yeah. I don't know. I think I'm buying this a little bit.
23:12I mean, we haven't ranked incredibly low. I think we have to move.
23:15He's outside the top 130 for us. We will absolutely move him up.
23:19But yeah, I do. I am buying this, I think.
23:22I'm with you. I think if you did, it just really depends on what happens with Debo here.
23:27But I think he I think that Shriveling is the wide receiver two on this team.
23:32I think Mike Evans is going to be the wide receiver one.
23:35I think Shriveling is going to move around, be in the slot in terms of just targets.
23:40He might be the second highest targeted guy in this on this team.
23:44There's also just the Kittle variable, which I'm not 100% sure on.
23:47I think that's why we have Shriveling kind of low right now is there's Debo and Kittle.
23:52And where do they fall into this like sort of puzzle?
23:55Is Kittle going to be back for week one?
23:58They're still talking about Kittle trying to take this trip to Australia.
24:01I think Kittle will absolutely miss the Australia game in week one.
24:05And he's just kind of aiming for it as a competitiveness thing.
24:08But Kittle will play in week two. I'm but I believe.
24:11But as for Shriveling, like everything that he did in this game matched the hype that you're hearing from training camp.
24:17Training camp. He looked great. He was coming back to the football high pointing, like Craig said.
24:22And I really liked that they moved him all around the formation.
24:26Basically, like we need to get you some reps inside at the Z.
24:29We got Mike Evans, who's probably going to be the X for most of the most of the time.
24:35And I think there's a real chance that he has a really good year and we're very much underrating him.
24:41I think it's you have to let go of the bias that I think a lot of people had when he came
24:47when the draft happened, that he was like overdrafted or all that.
24:50Like he just looks everything that he's done as a rookie receiver.
24:54If he was drafted like 30 spots later and people weren't like shocked about his draft position, I think we'd be even more excited about this.
25:01He looks fantastic. Trent Williams was talking on the broadcast because like the stars when they don't play actually are talking.
25:07And he was talking about how amazing strip stripling was.
25:10And then he made the best catch of the game during it.
25:14And Trent Williams is like that. He's like, I can't believe you even fell to us, which I know they always say that.
25:20But it's certainly amazing when the guy's talking about it and then the guy does something spectacular.
25:25I will say, number one, they call him the Strib Club, which is just amazing.
25:29Nice. The Strib Club. Two, I think part of the draft stock thing was there's a graveyard of guys that come out
25:36of Ole Miss and like that style of offense in college.
25:39That's like dumb. The receivers is just like a 90% miss rate.
25:42Unlike the receivers that come out of that style of offense.
25:45It just like doesn't always work necessarily. Sometimes you get A.G.
25:49Browns, but a lot more times you get like guys that like don't really have NFL careers at all.
25:54Who are the other highly drafted guys? You have D.K.
25:57Metcalf and A.J. Brown worked. Who else is like taking the top two rounds?
26:01That was a huge miss. Elijah Moore was one.
26:03Not just Ole Miss. I'm talking about like the family of offense.
26:07Yeah. Oh, sure. Here, I could pull up. There's a list.
26:10There's a list. It's a whole thing. I'll never give up on Elijah Moore.
26:14I still think that guy's good. But Stripling, I think this is a great call.
26:18I agree that he's I think Stripling is the perfect receiver.
26:22If Stripling's your fifth receiver on your team, like your third receiver on your bench, then you're perfect because he's going to play.
26:28And if Stripling doesn't play this season, it implies that Mike Evans and Debo Samuel are perfectly healthy.
26:33But I think for the most part, you're right, D.K.
26:36Kyle Shannon red shirts his receivers. But it's hard to break through the system.
26:40But the system has crumbled down to their level.
26:43So like Stripling's going to play. It's like you can't ignore what he's doing.
26:47They literally can't. They don't have enough bodies healthy.
26:49So I think that. Yeah, I think Stripling is a great pick this year.
26:53There's just upside there. Like we like. Like I said, he's ranked 135 for us.
26:58I think he has to be in the top 100 now.
27:01Like him versus a guy like Michael Pittman to me.
27:04Sure. If you play this season 10 times, maybe seven of the Michael Pittman scores more points and can be a more
27:10reliable, like guaranteed nine or 10 points every game.
27:13But there's a 10, 20 percent chance that Dejan Stripling is like the next guy for San Francisco.
27:18And it's worth taking him in that round because of that.
27:21It's where rankings are funny because I don't know if I'm like in my first blush.
27:25I'm like, do I rank Stripling ahead of Pittman?
27:28But in reality, even when we don't, I'm like, well, I'm just going to skip over Pittman, take all the other positions
27:34around him and then wait and then get Stripling later, which is, you know what I mean?
27:39Which is just that's what's going to end up happening.
27:42So he's just he's going to be way better value.
27:45So I like Stripling. But Craig, unfortunately, blood sacrifice in exchange for Stripling.
27:49You lost, I think, for the fifth episode in a row, one of your favorite players of the season.
27:54I really got to start pitching my enemies on this show because then they'll get hurt.
27:59Like the Grim Reaper meme with Craig? Just every guy at the door?
28:02Yeah. What is it? Abuka got the toe. Jordan Tyson with the hamstring.
28:06Who's the other one? Luther Burden. Luther Burden with the groin.
28:09Yeah. Jordan Tyson hurt his hamstring. This is like the fourth time in like two years he's hurt his hamstring.
28:15Um, we, we, we don't have a timetable really, which is not a good sign.
28:19They're like, there was a quote from Kellen Moore that said, we're still in collection mode, which like doesn't sound great to me.
28:26Um, he, it's his right hamstring and he's basically re-injured it like three times in the last year now.
28:31He, he hurt it, uh, leading up to the draft.
28:34Uh, and then he hurt it again during the draft workout.
28:37And then that took three months to recover from.
28:40And then he was finally healthy for July when camp started.
28:43He had two healthy weeks of camp and then he hurt it again.
28:47And so it's basically taking this guy months, not weeks, months to recover from these hamstring injuries, like three months.
28:53And so, you know, the, you can do the easy math.
28:56Like I don't think he'll, I don't know. This is impossible to say.
28:59We don't know how hard it is, but I, it's, it's horrible.
29:03It's a horrible way to start the season for a guy who always hurts his hamstring.
29:08It's the worst thing you could have asked for.
29:10Can I, can I be Buzz Killington? Nah. Rookie receivers going to hamstring specialists in the middle of August.
29:16And when they're saying the situation looks bleak, I'm out.
29:18He's off my board. Unfortunately, I love Jordan Tyson.
29:21If he's fully healthy, Jordan Tyson is one of my favorite players that you could take this year.
29:26Realistically, I think Jordan Tyson's like going to be the new Christian Watson where Christian Watson had all these hamstring issues.
29:32And all he did was make plays, but, and then it would come off.
29:36But Christian Watson went to the university of Wisconsin has this hamstring center.
29:40I don't know if that it's basically what it is.
29:43It sounds very unserious to say at college is a hamstring center, but it's like, they study it.
29:48And guess what? Christian Watson came back from his ACL.
29:51And one of the reasons he's had such a good ACL recovery and he was so good last year was that he
29:57had done all this work and he didn't have the compensatory issues of the ACL.
30:01Well, Jordan Tyson has something going on here and that's okay because we know more about it, but like there's imbalances.
30:07We joked about it, but Alvin Kamara, do your legs weigh the same?
30:11Like there is an imbalance in one of his legs and he's probably going to have to go to this university of
30:17Wisconsin center or somewhere else that's doing it because I think he needs like a more in-depth thing.
30:23But that's also means I'm not going to have him this year, but maybe it's funny that you mentioned Christian Watson.
30:29That was my comp for Jordan Tyson going into the draft.
30:32Partly because of the concern over injuries, you know, because that was a thing in college.
30:36He was basically hurt every season of his college career, which, you know, can be just bad luck and never show up again.
30:43Or it can be something that's just kind of like going on with your body, all the compensatory stuff.
30:48So can I just read this quote from Christian Watson about his own hamstrings just because it's informative?
30:54He said for me, it was really the asymmetry, but this is Rob Domovsky, the ESPN story.
30:58Christian Watson said for me, it was really the asymmetry between my legs comes from a lot of things.
31:04The issues in my past with the hamstrings, not fully recovering from the strength wise.
31:08And so basically he's just saying like you have to change how you're training to get your legs to symmetrical so that there's not issues.
31:15But I do think Jordan Tyson is something like that.
31:18It's so hard. I'm going to move him like 50 spots down.
31:2250? Yeah, he's a rookie. Dude, they can't even put a timetable on his return in the middle of August for the hamstring issue.
31:29You know it's bad. You know it's bad when like Nick Underhill, who covers the Saints really well, he's great.
31:34But like he tweeted, Jordan Tyson did a light jog to the huddle.
31:38And people are like, nice, nice. Okay. He's jogging.
31:41Like, this is good. I'm like, oh, God. We're so screwed.
31:44Here's the problem with drafting Jordan Tyson. If he comes back to practice, everyone's like, yeah.
31:48And then it's like the moment you're watching him and he limps for even one second, you're like, oh, my God, I'm ruined.
31:55I'll never financially recover from this. He's a rookie.
31:58Don't have injured rookies. I think one of the hardest parts about fantasy football is getting excited about a guy for five months of the offseason.
32:05You watch him get drafted. He goes to the team you like.
32:08It's working out in camp. Clips look great. The quotes are great.
32:12And then he has something like this. And you need to just immediately be like, never mind.
32:17I'll see you next year. It is so hard to do that.
32:20The impatience is really difficult. And like, Luther burden hurting his groin.
32:24Yeah, I should just be like, well, that's probably going to affect him.
32:27And I should probably knock him down a bunch.
32:30And I probably just shouldn't draft him. And so one of the hardest parts about it's really the go home to your
32:36wife is like the most important fantasy lesson is like, yeah, you should like probably not take the sexy guy who's injured
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33:33Cam Ward is, I think, especially relative to all the other really pretty clean performances from young quarterbacks this last weekend over the last couple of weekends.
33:41Cam Ward's performance was a little bit worrisome to me.
33:44He went 5 of 12 for 57 yards. It was just a weird, it was a weird game for him.
33:49I mean, he just kept kind of like dropping his arm and trying to do these like little side arm throws.
33:55He was really inaccurate. He was forcing the ball into coverage.
33:59Could not establish any report with Carnell Tate. So people are kind of freaking out about that a little bit.
34:04I don't think it's anything to be alarmed about necessarily, but I think especially relative to how some of these other young quarterbacks played this weekend.
34:12It's like, man, I just wish I would have seen a little bit more from Cam Ward.
34:17Yeah. 2.6 air yards per attempt, by the way, this, which is like, whatever, you don't have to dig into preseason.
34:23That's second base. At that point, you're just being a second baseman.
34:26He's he did. That was dead last among all the quarterbacks this weekend.
34:30So like that is just a little bit worrisome to me.
34:33Cam Ward is funny. Cam Ward. The Yankees called up the shortstop George Lombard, who's like a phenomenon because the Yankees previous
34:39shortstop was literally probably the worst player in the history of baseball to get like three full seasons of that back.
34:45God, because it was pathetic. Like Cal Raleigh batter.
34:48Hey, that's me. Craig. Uh, worse, literally the worst on base percentage in a hundred years to have like full-time playing time.
34:54But then the new guy is just, everyone loves him.
34:57And I just was watching Kim Ward. I was like, man, this looks like way hard, way easy.
35:02George Lombard would make all these throws. That's what I was thinking with Kim Ward.
35:06There's football that some players make football look easy.
35:09And then some players make football look very hard.
35:12And like right now, at least for based on this game, like everything just looked hard for the, for Ward.
35:17So that was just a little bit worrisome. I will say, I love the new uniforms though.
35:22They look cool. Kim Ward kind of plays like uncle Rico a little bit from Napoleon Dynamite.
35:27He like drops his arm. He's like back there, just like flinging it, trying to like win a highlight competition.
35:33Yeah. DK, did it make you, I mean, uh, Cardinal Tate, I think got two targets.
35:37Again, he was the fourth overall pick at receiver after all this stuff about, he's Cardinal Tate, an elite receiver prospect goes
35:44fourth in a draft, gets two targets, no catches.
35:46We're, I mean, we already just talked about how we're going to dock Jordan Tyson, another top 10 receiver in the real
35:53life draft this year, maybe off boards. I don't know what to do with him.
35:57Now it's Cardinal Tate. Are you watching the Titans game?
36:00Be like, it's preseason week one, who cares? Or are you watching that?
36:04Like, I don't really want Cardinal Tate to fall into my lap and draft him.
36:08More of the latter. More of the latter. I think, you know, I did a draft this weekend and Cardinal Tate went
36:14for more than I thought he would. I'm like, man, I don't know.
36:18Like obviously long-term really bullish on him, loved him coming out of the draft, but I can't help but kind of be
36:24a little bit worried about what I saw this weekend.
36:27I'm going to move him down because I'm actually have Cardinal Tate higher than you guys.
36:32Cause I like Tate, I like Ward and I'm, I believe in Brian Dable.
36:36And I think the Titans will be better than people think.
36:39Cause I believe in Robert Sala as that coach and Brian Dable as the coordinator.
36:43However, I've, I'm trying to align with what I actually like my actual behavior.
36:47And I find when I'm doing mock drafts, I do the fantasy draft equivalent of like, when you walk by someone and
36:53you kind of like, you don't want to start a conversation.
36:57You know, you don't want to like, every time I could draft Cardinal Tate, I kind of just like, like just walk right by him.
37:04You're like, oh, I'm getting a phone call. I missed it.
37:07Pretend you're on the phone. Yeah. Just like making my way to Parker, Washington or Christian.
37:11Like anybody. I'm just like, I don't want. You're like, oh no, was Cardinal Tate on the board?
37:17Oh, I must've missed that. Damn it. Whoops. Yeah.
37:19I do agree. I'm taking Wanda late. If I'm getting anybody from that.
37:23Has there been, this is nothing really against Cardinal Tate, but like it's kind of crazy that he was the fourth overall pick.
37:30Like, I feel like that, that weight has not carried with him.
37:33I don't view him that way on this Titans team.
37:36It doesn't. Yeah. He doesn't feel as big time as some previous guys that were in that range.
37:41Like Jamar Chase or something. Like Jamar Chase. That's true.
37:44Jamar Chase went for it. You know, the ironies.
37:46You mean Marvin Harrison. You know, the last top five receiver pick that probably was like pretty meh?
37:52Oh, Corey Davis. Corey Davis to the Titans is the last guy where everyone's like, yeah, well, who cares?
37:57I just to be clear, still very much like Cardinal Tate.
38:00I really, really like him. But like Jamar Chase went, I think fifth.
38:04I don't feel the same way about, you know.
38:07No. They're not in the same stratosphere as prospects.
38:09Chase was the best receiver prospect since like Julio Jones.
38:12Like, I mean, and honestly, we're going to talk about him a lot because Jeremiah Smith is going to be the best receiver prospect since Jamar Chase.
38:20So DK, what are the odds that Kim Ward week two preseason?
38:23It looks like great and completes a 40 yard pass to Cardinal Tate.
38:27And you're like, ah, throw everything out. What are the odds that I said last week?
38:3149%. Okay. We're overreacting to preseason week one where the quarterbacks did two drives or whatever.
38:36So I absolutely could change my opinion. The only thing I want to say in the Titans, Tony Pollard looked like he had juice again.
38:43There was a moment where I was watching Pollard.
38:46Yeah. And I was like, is that the guy that we used to joke was the best player in the NFL?
38:52Looked like he was back. I was kind of excited about the run game, to be honest.
38:57Like Tajay Spears looked good. Tony Pollard looked good.
38:59You know, they scored on, they scored on their first drive for what it's worth.
39:04We just did the best values in your draft last week.
39:07And it was kind of like a name brand off brand thing.
39:10You could kind of do Tony Pollard, Jeremiah Love in terms of like the offensive situations and their workload splits.
39:16Like you could make that. You could. Yeah. Tony Pollard, Jeremiah Love.
39:19You could strain and get there. Honestly, it's not bad.
39:22If Cam Ward learned to check down that like, yeah, Pollard, that's actually pretty funny.
39:27Titans, the other team sneakily has poured into the offensive line if they were good.
39:31I'm not going to take Tony Pollard, but that would be cool if he worked out for someone else.
39:36I'd be happy for them. My, any other things on the Titans?
39:40Cam Ward? Are we concerned or not? We have to decide.
39:43We need action. Not yet. Not yet. Maybe a little.
39:46It would help if. I'm concerned. I like their uniforms.
39:49Again, to be clear, their uniforms look cool. Cam Ward just has a propensity to do really stupid shit and it makes me nervous.
39:55You know how the, have you guys seen those?
39:58There's like a lot, I mean, lived experience, but also studies that say that the decision making part of your brain is pretty removed from logic.
40:06Like the emotional part of your brain is the one that makes decisions and logic is like this whole thing that makes
40:12a case and it doesn't actually affect the decision.
40:14I can say all this want about Cam Ward.
40:17It doesn't matter. It's preseason. I don't think I'll take any Titans until I see Cam Ward look good.
40:22Like if he doesn't look good in the second week, I probably won't take him just because my brain's like, eh, I got the ick.
40:30Yeah. Speaking of the ick, my loser, I would say the second biggest loser of the entire preseason so far is Tua Tungo-Vailoa and the Atlanta Falcons.
40:37I'm out on Tua. Was it that bad? So bad.
40:40I'm out on Tua. It was worse than I feared.
40:43I don't think I had the same reaction, but I mean, not like I was excited about it, but I'm excited to hear about this.
40:50Well, he played eight snaps. He fumbled the second snap of the preseason in shotgun like he didn't know it was coming.
40:57And then Michael Penix pointed at him and it was the first meme of the NFL season is Michael Penix.
41:02There's this photo now. Michael Penix is pointing at Tua like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?
41:08And we're going to use that all year. But I'm trying not to overreact, but I felt it stronger and stronger as
41:14the weekend went that you watch all these other quarterbacks and Tua has none of the mobility or the ability to extend plays that other quarterbacks have.
41:22He's so immobile and is just helpless against interior pressure.
41:25But he has none of the decision making ability of older quarterbacks like as old Stafford or old Roethlisberger or old Aaron Rodgers, like none of the processing.
41:33So he just fucking dirts it. And it's like sad.
41:36It's sad to watch. If you didn't know any better, you'd assume he's like 37.
41:40He's like late career Russ. But it's what Craig said the other day.
41:44It's Tua seconds or less. First read, second read, plays over, doesn't have the arm and defenses know it.
41:49So they're playing up and I'm watching this and I'm like, I'm not taking Drake London in the second round.
41:55I'm not doing it. Now that could burn me because I thought Tua was so bad that Penix could take the job
42:01back a lot quicker than I thought. And so that's why I don't know what to do with the Falcons.
42:07I want to talk to you about it. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm like, we've watched Tua for years now.
42:13And I'm like, he's so physically limited. He can't move.
42:15He can't throw. He can't. It's not just the deep balls where we joke, but it's real.
42:20We're tired. He kills fielding punts, but he can't push it past the hashes.
42:24He can't push the ball to the sidelines. So they just play.
42:28And I'm like, I almost think he's so bad that Michael Penix might come in and make Drake London good.
42:33I don't know. But I thought Tua was horrible.
42:36How much weight is this fumble on second down count?
42:39No, it's not just that. It's like he missed a check down on first and 10 on the next drive.
42:45He's a lefty. The guy's out to his left in the flat.
42:48It's a tight end who went like he went in motion.
42:51You know, he's there and he just misses the check down.
42:54He doesn't even throw it. He would have got a first down on first and 10.
42:59And I'm like, you're supposed to be like a seven year NFL vet.
43:03How the fuck are you missing a check down in the preseason?
43:06You guys think I'm faster than Tua? Yes. You think three, three cone drill, me or Tua, your life's on the line.
43:12Who are you picking? Correct. I don't say that much about pro athletes, but I mean, the man had the Bo Jackson hip injury like six years ago.
43:20I lean much more towards Heifetz on this. Look, it's not like Tua.
43:24Tua was that. 2023 was a long time ago.
43:27It's not like Tua, even with Mike McDaniel, offensive guru, was good last year or the year.
43:32Like it was a mess. He was benched. So I don't know why I'm expecting him to be serviceable now.
43:37I totally agree about Drake London. Michael Penix is, I think, has a shot to play week one and appears to be physically feeling really good.
43:45He's actually been very open this offseason about the mental struggles of the injury stuff and how that's the hardest part.
43:51But if Penix plays, Drake London was like the wide receiver two in fantasy.
43:55And if Tua plays, he might be like the wide receiver 32 in fantasy.
43:59What Tua needs to do is so antithetical to him, which is like toss up these deep jump balls.
44:04Yeah, Drake London needs like alley-oops. And Tua can't get the ball there.
44:08No. He throws the arm punt. Can I also remind you guys how bad Tua is?
44:13Throw it up for him. It is. Honestly, he should arm punt everything.
44:16That should be his nickname, arm punt. Wait, I didn't tell you guys I did this.
44:21So when we say that, like, I know this is a new thing now.
44:25It happened to Russell Wilson. Guys get caught by their team, the Broncos.
44:29The Steelers signed them for a veteran minimum. And it's like the other team's paying the bill for you to go away, right?
44:35Yeah. Yeah. We didn't really – just to remind you how bad Tua was playing.
44:40The Dolphins, the amount of money they're taking to get rid of Tua is like so much larger than all the other
44:46record-breaking things that I went – the Dolphins overall, they're $180 million in dead cap.
44:50Did I tell you guys they built an offense with less money than the Dolphins are taking a dead cap this year?
44:57So this is just Tua, Tyree Kill, Bradley Chubb, and the Jalen Waddell dead money.
45:01You can put together for less money Patrick Mahomes, Jamar Chase, Jackson Smith & Jigwood, Trey McBride, Bijan Robinson, Garrett Bowles, left
45:07tackle, Joe Tooney, left guard, Tyler Linderbaum at center, Quinn Miners, the all-pro right guard, and Panay Suelt right tackle.
45:13And that's like $2 million more than the Dolphins are paying for people to not play for their team.
45:18This is why I'm saying when you sign a player for a lot of money, it's actually a good thing.
45:24Because they're a good player and not a bad player.
45:27The Dolphins are paying the same amount of money to not have Tua as the Ravens are to have Lamar Jackson this year.
45:34Yes. And so when the Falcons are going to trot him out, I'm like, I don't want the Falcons.
45:39And Abijan Robinson is still the second guy. I think Kyle Pitts might be incredible in fantasy this year.
45:44Pitts had a couple catches in this game, yeah.
45:47He's the only guy who's going to catch the ball.
45:50He's the only guy who's going to get open in two seconds.
45:53But anyway, I'm moving London down. I'm moving London outside my top 20.
45:57It has nothing to do with him. I don't necessarily disagree with you, by the way.
46:02I was just kind of playing devil's advocate there.
46:04I was just like, damn, was he that bad?
46:07Because he fumbled that snap? But you're right. It was pretty ineffective.
46:10I mean, their first drive was over before it started.
46:13And also worth noting, Falcons James Pierce Jr., the defensive end was suspended eight games for the NFL.
46:18And he led the Falcons in sacks last year.
46:21So it's not a good start. Craig, who else is a loser for you preseason week one?
46:26It's the Browns and it's Deshaun Watson. And it's all the skilled players on the Browns.
46:30I watched, I don't know why, I watched every single snap that Deshaun Watson took in week one of the fucking preseason yesterday.
46:37Craig's watching the All-22, baby. I was. And I can't believe we're doing Deshaun again.
46:41I think Casey Concepcion is good. I think Denzel Boston is good.
46:45I think Quinchon Judkins is good. And I think Harold Fannin is good.
46:48And I think they're all fucked this year because of Deshaun Watson's going to start.
46:53He's terrible. He has no juice. His arm is weird.
46:56He's so indecisive. He looks completely discombobulated out there.
46:58There was a play where all four wide receivers were open on the field.
47:02He's in the middle of the pocket. He throws to none of them and he gets sacked.
47:07And I'm like, I can't believe we're doing this again.
47:10I don't want to draft any Browns this year, despite the fact that I think all of those players are good.
47:16And if you're a Browns fan, I would hold out hope that you guys are going to fucking tank this year, get
47:22a good quarterback next year, and their offense could be good immediately.
47:26Deshaun Watson was by EPA per play. Austin Gale always said the stat that he was the worst quarterback in Browns history by EPA per play.
47:33Browns history. He was the worst quarterback in Browns history through six games.
47:37Then he tore his Achilles twice. And he came back.
47:40And I mean, first of all, Watson hadn't really played in a game in 22 months.
47:44And he looked like, I thought Watson, there were some plays where it was like, okay, like he actually is faster than
47:51I thought off the Achilles and some better plays.
47:53I also thought there were plays where I thought he had the yips, like forgot how to throw a football.
47:59No, that's been, yeah, that's been happening for a while.
48:02That was happening 22 months ago. I mean, that was Achilles twice.
48:05Yeah, that was happening. I feel like the yips were happening before he tore his ACL twice.
48:10Or sorry, Achilles twice. I just think it's a, I think it's a mess.
48:14And I feel bad for Denzel Boston and Concepcion and Fanning because I think all those guys look good.
48:20Does this, does this mean we want to root for Shudder from a fantasy point of view, root for Shudder to start?
48:26I mean, I think the question is obvious. I think Shudder is not good either.
48:30Well, yeah, sure. I'm not saying he is. You know what's worth revisiting?
48:34Remember the time the Browns just sent Joe Flacco to the Bengals in a trade for like move up 20 spots in the sixth round?
48:41My Tomlin does. Joe Flacco on the Browns with Boston Concepcion, Judd.
48:44That would be a real goddamn team. I still don't really like, why isn't Jameis Winston just starting for the Browns?
48:51Like, I don't really get it. I feel like there are some backup quarterbacks where I'm like, they're just better than any quarterback the Browns have right now.
48:59How much are they paying to Sean Watson this year?
49:01$46 million or something. They ended up getting a cap credit.
49:05They were able to get the years he was off insured, which is a whole thing.
49:09Right, right, right. If you pay for an insurance policy and the guy gets hurt every game, you get a cap credit back.
49:16That's like the new thing. So the Jets got like credited the next year for Aaron Rodgers' season that he missed.
49:22Like, it's almost like a credit card charge being undone.
49:25But the Browns, so they kind of bailed them out.
49:27The Achilles actually kind of bailed them out of the Browns of the Watson contract.
49:32But they all still need to play him. And then I think Jimmy Haslam, the owner, wanted Jadour Sanders.
49:37So they're kind of like tied. But yeah, I don't.
49:40I don't know. 31 other teams that want these Browns players.
49:43But I'm like, I honestly don't want to spend 50 hours watching Deshaun Watson this fall.
49:48No. And yeah. But as we were talking about earlier, you got to be patient.
49:52Like, if you're a Browns fan, just convince yourself that there will only be one more bad year.
49:57And then you're going to get a quarterback. And Deshaun will be gone.
50:01And things will be better. Because I do think everyone around him, they all look like good picks.
50:06Dude, Casey Concepcion looked awesome in this game. He did.
50:09He's the man Boston out of Washington. I mean, the University of Washington.
50:13I will say, Austin made a great point to me that the Browns defense also might suck, which you forget about.
50:19But because Carson Schwestinger was defensive rookie of the year.
50:22But they traded away Myles Garrett. And then Jim Schwartz, the defensive coordinator, basically quit because they didn't give him that coaching job.
50:28And so no Myles Garrett, no Jim Schwartz. If the Browns defense is bad, it could be just as bad as like the Cardinals last year.
50:36But they don't have a Jacoby Brissett. Like, they might just get blown the fuck out if the defense is bad.
50:42Because Watson and Shador are not going to be able to come from behind and even rack up garbage time, I don't think.
50:48Yeah. We'll see. I don't want to count on the Browns getting garbage time stats.
50:53I'm kind of just moving all the Browns down.
50:55I do agree, though. Big picture. This skill group is sick.
50:58And I think next year, any quarterback, well, I don't know about any quarterback wanting to land in Cleveland, generally.
51:04But that is a really good skill group. If you're Cleveland, you take quarterback, and I'm not even kidding, I would take six straight offensive linemen.
51:12Yeah. Because everything else in the offense is set.
51:14This is the first time in my, I think, my lifetime, maybe right after they took Baker, I would say I'm buying stock in the Browns.
51:22Yeah. Any other winners or losers I'm forgetting about?
51:24Mendoza? Yeah. I don't have Mendoza as a winner.
51:27So, I mean, so first of all, Mendoza was the first number one pick to throw a touchdown in his preseason debut
51:33since Baker Mayfield like nine years ago, which I don't know how that's possible.
51:37Is that right? That's funny to me. But yeah, Mendoza, he played four drives.
51:41He had like 100 yards and a touchdown. I just thought Mendoza immediately looked like what we thought he would be, which is the arm strength is there.
51:49He was able to immediately throw like outside the hash.
51:52I thought he mentally recovered. He was in the goal line.
51:55He took a sack. He came back. He's like, he's poised.
51:58He's like, he just looks like an adult, looks like a little baby pro and like a little gazelle learning to run.
52:05And again, Mendoza himself said he's, it's, it's not pretty when he runs, but it gets the job done.
52:10He outran a couple of fourth string defensive ends for a couple first downs.
52:14Like he's fast. He, I could do the rollouts.
52:17And I also think the real winner that I think Mendoza is going to be good.
52:21Kirk Cousins played fine too. I think the real winner of this, I think Jack Betch, Betch, I would say his name wrong.
52:28The receiver to TC really disappointing rookie year last year, but the Raiders used him totally wrong.
52:33I think he's the going to be the receiver that emerges after Brock Bowers.
52:37I think he's going to be the big winner of the Raiders offense.
52:40Yeah. It's going to be really interesting because he hadn't, he hadn't made a lot of buzz in camp.
52:46I don't think like they were talking about other guys.
52:49Yeah. Austin had been telling us that he was having a bad camp.
52:52Yeah. But then as Heifetz alluded to, basically last year, they used Besh as an X receiver.
52:57That wasn't really a strength in college. He's like a big, he's a big slot.
53:02Basically, like he's, he's good over the middle field.
53:04He's good at beating zone coverage, less good at beating man to man, getting off press, getting open, doing the alpha receiver stuff.
53:11But there is this world where he can be a really highly productive receiver who can move around.
53:16He's got a big body, big frame, and he's tough.
53:19And that's kind of what we saw in this game was they ran him.
53:23I think they're running him in the slot and at the Z kind of moving him around, getting him off the line.
53:29And that was the role change that could really benefit him.
53:32I think in my big picture thing is maybe this is just me buying into the, the, the trust I have in
53:39Kubiak and in Clint Kubiak and running this offense, but their offense just looked like it made sense.
53:44You know what I mean? Like they just guys were getting open.
53:47They were distributing the football. They're moving down the field.
53:50They scored two touchdowns in their first couple of drives.
53:53Um, and then like Mike Washington ripped off a huge run.
53:56There, there was just like multiple things to get excited about.
53:59And the operation from an offensive point of view just looked competent.
54:03I thought, I thought Mendoza looked like it wasn't too big for him.
54:06He made a couple of nice throws, nothing to get like too excited about, but again, it was just this offense looked professional.
54:13And sometimes you see the, and, and again, this is like going back to what the cam board thing, like why I
54:19was a little bit worried about the cam board thing.
54:22It's just relative to all these other guys that looked really sharp over the weekend.
54:27Um, that is, that's kind of my takeaway from this game was that like, they just look sharp and that, and that's,
54:33that's important because obviously you just got to keep building on that.
54:36And it reminds me a little bit of like last year when Ben Johnson took over for the, for the Browns and
54:43like his big focus was the details, getting the operation, right.
54:46Getting guys where they need to be standing in the right spot, coming out of the huddle and lining up in the right spot.
54:53Like you saw so much of this last year where the Raiders were just a clusterfuck in, in every way.
54:58And, you know, we, we talked about Pete Carroll being the adult in the room and like helping that raising the floor.
55:05That obviously didn't happen, but I do like, I want to go back to the wall on that because I do think Kubiak can do that.
55:12This is his wheelhouse. You know what I mean?
55:15The offense and running it. Great point DK. Cause the biggest leap in offense can make is like what the chiefs did
55:21with my homes, where you went from above average with Alex Smith to elite.
55:25But the second biggest leap you can make is literally the worst in the NFL to competent average.
55:30Like, and that's what the Raiders might be able to do.
55:33And I know we, Ash and Gentry is obviously like a fringe first round pick.
55:38I'm obsessed with Brock Bowers and probably to my detriment.
55:41So like I have him like 18th. They think overall having said that, I just want to note real quick, Mike Washington jr.
55:47The running back they took out of, sorry, he went to three colleges, Arkansas.
55:51I always get confused. He went to three different colleges.
55:54He's one. Yeah. Arkansas dude. He's so big. He's so fast.
55:57And if Ash and Gentry didn't exist, I'd be fucking obsessed with my I know that was like when he landed in,
56:03in Las Vegas, I was like, damn. Cause he could have been something.
56:07He's six to, he runs a four, three, three.
56:10It's like the Winkle of lost twins. Right. He's like, I mean, I love the, love the combination of him and him and Gentry.
56:17I mean, that offense could have some explosive plays on the ground, which is exactly what they need.
56:22But yeah, I think overall just came out, came out of that game feeling more confident and like the Raiders offense could be something this year.
56:29Hi, Vince. You, you mentioned Jack bash before we move on.
56:32Do you think he's a guy he's ranked like one millionth in most people's rankings right now?
56:37Do you think he's worth in a redraft league?
56:4010, 12 teams. You think he should be drafted?
56:4210. No 12. If you are weak at receiver, like, I think he's a good end of bench player because you'll probably
56:49find out pretty quickly if he's going to be really involved in the offense.
56:53Cause they have like, there's no like number two receiver on the Raiders.
56:56Like it's Brock Bowers is the one, even though he's a tight end.
57:00And then there's like Jalen Naylor and Jack bet.
57:03And I'm like, you will probably know within a couple of weeks if Jack bash is going to be featured and defenses
57:09will probably, if they end up being like, we're not going to let anyone, but Bowers, anyone, but Bowers can beat us.
57:15Jack bash might just win with the savvy old white guys sitting in the zone, man.
57:20Kirk cousins finds him like, especially in a full PPR league.
57:23I think Jack bash. Yes. And you cut him for some running back in week two.
57:28That's fine. Yeah. If you take him in the last round of your draft, you're basically getting ahead of waivers week one.
57:34Yes. When he like has six catches week one and then everybody adds him.
57:38You're just getting ahead of that. Exactly. And so I think we'll move him up to draft.
57:43But I think Mike Washington is also a flyer.
57:46If you're in a 12 team league, like, you know, if anything happens to gente, I also think he can mix it.
57:52People might be annoyed. Gente is going to rotate a little, like Kubiak is the guy who played Kenneth Walker and Charbonnet together.
57:58Like this world. Gente plays a little bit less than you think.
58:02And Mike Washington's just a guy who runs a four, three, just playing.
58:06By the way, and shout out to Nathan Yonke for, from PFF who does incredible tracking of all these games and like talks about where guys are playing.
58:14They had Jalen Naylor. The Raiders did playing at the X spot and then had Bess in the slot.
58:19So that is kind of the domino here that could really matter for Bess.
58:23So the other one I want to ask you about DK, we haven't, I have no idea what you think about this,
58:29but I want to ask you a very simple question because the Seahawks have this weird situation.
58:34Zach Charbonnet, they're pretending we'll play in week one.
58:37And I'm like Zach Charbonnet allegedly had ACL surgery.
58:39He was around February 20th, like late February, which is like supposed to be nine months.
58:44So unless he didn't have ACL surgery, like Zach Charbonnet is going to be after Halloween probably.
58:49So then you have Janaren Price is a rookie who they were like, we won't give a huge workload.
58:54You have George Alani. Who's like a, you know, a passing down.
58:58He has some pop, but barely played last year.
59:00And then Emmanuel Wilson, who came over from green Bay, who's hurt.
59:04Who's going to lead? The Seahawks play the first game of the season against the Patriots Wednesday night.
59:09Who will lead the Seahawks in snaps and touches in the first game of the season?
59:14Probably George Alani. I want to say the obvious answer is this Janaren Price.
59:18He's going to come back and they're going to give him a heavy workload.
59:22And that's, you know, the most obvious thing that will happen, but I really do think, and this goes across all teams,
59:28but especially the Seahawks, like they, in the past, if guy misses parts of training camp, like that really hurts him.
59:34Like the train keeps moving down the tracks. Janaren Price is lower body soreness.
59:38This happened. This happened with, uh, what's his face?
59:40Rashad Penny. Like he got hurt in training camp early on.
59:44And then Chris Carson came on and was like the Seahawks leading running back for a year or two.
59:49Or one out for Craig. Rashad Penny. Aztec. Rashad Penny.
59:52Just, he struggled with injuries a lot, but I mean, that's just kind of one example where if you get hurt, I
59:58think Rashad Penny like hurt his hand and in his first preseason.
60:02And then it like came back to like bite him.
60:05He didn't, couldn't get on the field as much.
60:07And Chris, we almost had it with him. There were moments.
60:10We almost, I mean, dude, he looked amazing at times.
60:13Um, but yes, I think, man, if I, if I'm just being rational, I think it's going to be George Alani.
60:19If it's, you mentioned he's a pass catching guy.
60:22I think he's a good runner. Can you remind people who he is?
60:26There might be people who've never heard that name before.
60:28He, he played at Boise state. He's five 11, two Oh five.
60:32Um, I believe he went undrafted and he's been, he's been kicking around with the Seahawks for a while.
60:37It's hard to spell H O L A N I.
60:40If you're trying to search him like George. Yeah, he did.
60:43He played five years at Boise state and he had over 3,500 rushing yards.
60:47He was productive. I think he's a good player.
60:50We need to rank this man. I think he's going to like play most of the snaps in week one.
60:56If, if Jadarian price is healthy, sure. We'll see if he's healthy, but basically Jadarian prices ranked as if he's like the
61:02only Seahawk that will play significance, like snaps until Charbonne comes back.
61:05Meanwhile, there's a chance that like, he just doesn't.
61:08Yeah. I think the Helani has the experience has his, he's been in this offense for a couple of years.
61:14Every time he's gotten on the field, I feel like he flashes even in like real games.
61:19He'll get like a carrier here, carrier to the here and there.
61:22Um, and he always kind of looked good to me and you know, it's obviously just, he's a late round guy or an undrafted for agent.
61:29You don't expect much from him, but basically early on, especially with, with price missing opportunities during the preseason, if price comes
61:36back this next week and gets back on there, it's probably going to be price.
61:40That's why they draft him in the first round.
61:43But I do think there's a world pretty, pretty, pretty good shot that Helani is kind of like the leading guy week one for the Seahawks.
61:50We'll see. Cause he's a, he's another like maybe late round, like last draft pick, just because in case he like pops
61:56in week one or something and you just cut him, the, you want to find out the answer immediately.
62:02Maybe Jadarian prices and healthy. We'll figure that out, but that's in a few weeks.
62:06So we'll see. Um, do you think I want to mention the Panthers?
62:10I don't know. I think Shuba Hubbard's a loser and Jonathan Brooks is a winner.
62:14So the Panthers running back situation, they let Rico Dowddle go.
62:17He's in Pittsburgh. Now Shuba Hubbard pulls his hamstring.
62:20So the healthy running back is Jonathan Brooks, who has nine carries in two NFL seasons.
62:24Torrey's ACL fixes. Torrey the same ACL twice. Came back.
62:27Yeah. He just immediately got hurt. He's barely played in the NFL.
62:31And so on one hand, Jonathan Brooks was an incredible NFL prospect.
62:34He's supposed to have an amazing mental makeup. He's an amazing person.
62:38He's a great athlete. He's an explosive player. DK, what do you do with Jonathan Brooks where he is like going, I
62:44mean, God, his rankings like all over the place.
62:47Calm. You know, he's a ninth rounder in some places.
62:49We're a little lower on Jonathan Brooks than other places.
62:52And he's like the sleeper du jour. And my question is like, are we underrating the upside of like, what if this
62:59great prospect is just the starting running back for Carolina?
63:01Or is everyone else in like fricking la la land?
63:04And we're like, it's a, like, it's about touches.
63:07And the guy who has nine touches in two years probably won't suddenly get a ton of touches.
63:12I don't know what, I don't know if everyone else is in la la land or if we're just kind of like
63:18not seeing the forest of the trees here. Yeah.
63:21I think this Jonathan Brooks is the perfect example of a fantasy pick where you're not trying to get sixth place.
63:27Like you're trying to win and he might not get you anything this year because he gets hurt immediately again.
63:33And that's that. And you kind of, we've seen that happen before, but then you have seasons where, you know, like Javante
63:39Williams last year came, like had multiple injuries, came back and, and managed to stay healthy and kind of looked like what
63:45we were expecting from, from him when he came out of college, because, you know, like Javante Williams was a highly regarded draft prospect.
63:52Like he was a tackle breaker, explosive, can play in the past game.
63:56And he just kept getting hurt and kind of forgot about him, kind of gave up on him.
64:01And then now he's back. I think there is a world in which Jonathan Brooks is, he just manages to stay healthy.
64:07His doctor told him he has a great ACL.
64:10I don't know what to do with that information, but, you know, like if it, if it is actually surgically repaired and
64:16doing well now, I think he could run away.
64:19He could run away with the doctors told them.
64:21Cause I think the doctors are just trying to make them.
64:25I'm not actually putting any stock in that, but like Hubbard is hurt.
64:28He has a hamstring injury, I believe. Right. And that could be like, that's the reason we're worried about, you know, Jeremiah
64:35love getting hurt in the, in the preseason coming back.
64:38And then Jonathan Brooks just runs away with it.
64:40We saw this last year when Rico Dowdle had a couple of big games.
64:44They did the hot hand approach and then just gave Rico Dowdle the lion's share of the carries.
64:49And this is, could happen with Jonathan Brooks. He was a highly talented, you know, guy coming out of college and he's just had a bunch of injuries.
64:57It's also been, he, he tore it not last year.
65:00He tore it the year before that. Right. He tore it at the end of 2024.
65:05I think what happened. Yeah. He came back too early basically.
65:08And he re tore his ACL. They decided to play it smart with him last year.
65:13Did not bring him back at all. Yeah. So it's been like 19 months, I think since he, almost 20 months since he last tore his ACL.
65:20To be honest with you, I think he's exactly the type of guy you should be taking late in drafts.
65:26I don't care. The ACL thing is obviously a huge risk, but like we've seen, there are plenty of stories where, I
65:32mean, Christian Watson came back like less than a year after the ACL and looked great.
65:37Like we are in a different era with that.
65:39I'm, I'm a little bit less concerned about the fact that he's going to get re-injured.
65:44Like the Panthers, Carolina, like Canales has a history of just like having one running back in the game and feeding that running back.
65:51Chuba Hubbard has gotten a lot of touches by himself.
65:54Rico Dotto was getting like 20 touches by himself.
65:56I think there are not many other guys this late in drafts that have the opportunity to have that.
66:02I think Jonathan Brooks is the player I've most changed my mind on over the last few weeks.
66:07I agree. I think Jonathan Brooks is the kind of player you go for, for upside.
66:12And it's like Jonathan Brooks versus like Jordan Mason for the Vikings, where Jordan Mason is just an early down running back
66:18who could get some touchdowns and be a great serviceable flex for you.
66:22Jonathan Brooks is like, yeah, so you could strike out.
66:24You could also hit home run. And it might be a little dumb, but I agree that like, I I've probably been wrong about him this season.
66:32I'm going to move him up a little bit.
66:35I think he's, he's like, he's a top under, he's the kind of guy that when it gets to the 10th round,
66:41like we always see the first round, you can't win your draft usually, but you can lose it in the first round.
66:47Like you have to be able to see the path and I can see the path with him.
66:53There are other running backs where I just, I can't, he just plays literally the path is he just plays.
66:58And it's good. Like Rico Dowdle. There was a month where Rico Dowdle was like the top scoring running back in the, the most guards in the NFL.
67:06Right? Like Rico Dowdle just did that. If Brooks is better again, the Panthers have spent money on their offensive line, like the interior, cause Bryce young short.
67:14So they spent money at guard. They have like invested a tackle.
67:18Like the Panthers have a beefy offensive line. Yeah.
67:20So I, I, yeah, it's, I think Jonathan Brooks is a player that we should actually move up quite a bit.
67:26Maybe like you, I think if he ends up being your fourth running back, you're cooking.
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68:35because a bonk is a guy that might not do anything, but made you a little horny for a second.
68:41Yeah. We're stepping outside of the like, who will be relevant this year in fantasy territory here.
68:46And who wants to go first? Heifetz, you want to talk about Ty Simpson?
68:50DK? I know you have thoughts on Ty Simpson.
68:53We have to talk about Ty Simpson. I'll bonk Heifetz on Ty Simpson.
68:56Ty Simpson. So again, taken by the Rams and then everyone was shocked overall.
69:00Thought McVay was mad. And then McVay was like, I'm actually super stoked.
69:04And I was pretending because I didn't want to upset Stafford.
69:07And then the Rams traded for Miles Garrett. And they're like, it was because of that the whole time.
69:13I thought Ty Simpson looked great. I thought he looked fine.
69:16Completed 21 of 25 passes, 190 yards, two touchdowns, no picks.
69:19He, all right, great. I'll take great back. He looked good because my bar was low.
69:24However, I, I, I, I wish I'd counted this 21 to 25, 190 yards.
69:28I swear 19 of these completions were just play action rollouts.
69:31Everything was a bootleg and the linebackers just bid on every, and he kind of like, it looked cool from like the sideline angle.
69:38And then you'd like watch behind. You're like, these are pretty fucking wide open throws.
69:42His arm was better than I thought. He's got more zip on it than I remembered.
69:47And I, but I did think he looked like the first half at Bama before he got hurt.
69:52Uh, but it wasn't as cool as it looked like.
69:55I agree. Every pass was like a seven yard little thing to a receiver.
69:59Yeah. And I, he did that very competently, but like, yeah, I was not like, wow, I'm, I'm watching the next guy.
70:05I did not feel that way. I'm glad Craig was the voice of reason that I didn't have to be because he looked fine.
70:12Obviously, but I wasn't like, Holy shit. I saw it.
70:15I was like, I saw it. Cause I didn't, I was doing stuff on Saturday.
70:19I didn't watch the game live. I came back and I was like getting notified.
70:23Like Adam Schefter's tweeting about Ty Simpson and like, everyone's freaking out about how fucking awesome he was.
70:28And then I watched the game. I was like, yeah, he played like clean.
70:32And it was, that was an encouraging game. Like, I think it's all positive.
70:36There's, you can't take a negative from that game.
70:39Of course not. He was good, but like, but maybe other than the fact that he's still playing behind sets and Bennett.
70:45I will say that since it Bennett was the one who started this game, by the way, which is hilarious that we kind of like glossed over that.
70:53I mean, I think that's normal as they make ceremonially have to climb.
70:57He's going to hurt. He's got to earn it.
71:00That's fine. Whatever. I get it. But like Craig said, you know, a lot of the throws were underneath sort of like check down options.
71:07I, he averaged like four yards for air yards per attempt in this game.
71:11So he was very clean, very efficient, did a good job running the offense, like complimentary.
71:15He ran the offense. Well, I didn't quite, I wasn't quite, I was like, people were victory laughing.
71:21This game, like, ha ha, I told you Ty Simpsons the truth.
71:24Like, okay, maybe like just wait on that a little bit, but he did, he did look competent and ran the offense.
71:30Well, I will say that he did everything he was supposed to do.
71:34Yeah. And you just have to take that, I guess that face value, but I was not like, holy shit.
71:40His arm is way different than I thought, or like, he's so much faster and bigger than I thought he looked, he looked fine.
71:47Complimentary. I was, he had a couple throws where it was like, he had more arm than I, like just after watching
71:53all these other games, I thought his arm, but having said that was on two throws again.
71:58Yeah. Yeah. I think the first five completions he had literally the first five completions he had were just play action bootlegs
72:04to who to right to my boy, Max, to Max clear the time.
72:08Claire baby. I was more excited about Max clear.
72:11This is a confirmation bias, of course, but I really liked, I really liked Max clear coming out and I was like, damn, Max clear.
72:18He's awesome. He had seven catches in this game.
72:20Is that not the preseason? You're like the quarterback.
72:23These are like wide open. All of it was a confirmation bias.
72:26And then the tight end, he's fully admitted. The guy you like is catching the ball.
72:31You're like, well, I'm just getting ahead of it.
72:33Yeah. Let's continue on this trend of ridiculous over the top, over reactions to fourth quarter performances.
72:38Drew Haller on the Steelers look kind of good.
72:41Yep. I don't know. I love, I love throw into Kate, Caden wedge.
72:45Jen, we wet Jen, Caden, wet Jen. Yeah. I don't know how to pronounce his name.
72:49I just know he's the guy who took the draft pick call on the golf course.
72:54Like legend. Caden made me wet Jen. Sure. Drew Haller, three touchdowns and three drives.
72:58Arm is obviously a fucking nuke when he wants to unleash one.
73:02Love it, Craig. But, you know, I thought he looked like, again, fourth quarter caveat playing against players who might not even
73:08make NFL rosters, but he looks better than I thought he would look.
73:12Everything. You know, it's like the guy was learning how to stand at quarterback two months ago with Mike McCarthy.
73:17And so I'm like, he, I don't know. He looked all right.
73:21Like I, he's got all the physical tools. If Mike McCarthy can mold this man to like, know how to check down
73:27and know how to read a defense, it could work.
73:30How quickly we've moved on from Will Howard. How quickly.
73:33We shook his hand. Nice, nice guy. Drew Aller, you know, in dodgeball, when she comes in, he's like, Oh, hold on folks.
73:39She's got a cannon. I do think it was interesting that after the game, this is again, just total coach speak, but
73:46Mike McCarthy was like, we saw him as a first round prospect when we came out.
73:50And so far he's done nothing to like, or he's done nothing, but validate that.
73:55Mike McCarthy, who also said he watched every game from the 2020 season.
73:58And then Jerry said he was lying in the first moment with the press.
74:02Look, Drew Aller has to be completely broken down to the studs and rebuilt, but the bones are there.
74:08Yeah. Like he was throwing balls with touch. His like rollout touchdowns were nice little flicks.
74:12Like he, he was accurate. I don't know. Yeah.
74:15Could have been worse. Like he was pretty good.
74:18It's the kind of, these are the two quarter.
74:20This is the philosophical. Phil, I don't know how I said that word.
74:24The philosophical question about what McVay did with taking the Rams quarterback.
74:27I think the people, I think, including some of you guys, but some people just bash the idea that the Rams would
74:34take a quarterback in the first round. They're like, you're trying to win super bowls.
74:38What are you doing? I disagree with that. Like wholeheartedly.
74:41I think taking a quarterback is when you don't need one has basically always been a good idea in NFL history.
74:47Like the adding average is like 85%. It's smart.
74:49If you're not taking it before you need it, you're just assuming you'll get it when you need it.
74:55And then like, that's a bad idea. I also think the idea that Stafford, what if Stafford gets hurt?
75:00And then Ty Simpson comes in and plays. Like there's a lot, like look at Washington.
75:05You mean Stetson Bennett? Well, they're back out. I'm just kidding.
75:08I'm fucking, I'm fucking with you. No, I know what you mean.
75:11I'm just fucking, I'm just fucking. That's actually, I'm just fucking playing devil's advocate.
75:15I think the question was, why did Sean McVay choose a, like a guy that's so not like Stafford where Stafford's superpower
75:22is now the IQ, but it's, it's the fricking arm.
75:25It's the ability to make throws. Other people can't make with his IQ as a superpower.
75:29And the curiosity was Ty Simpson's like mobile Kirk cousins, where there's, which it's like Jared Goff.
75:34It's like, that's the guy you got rid of a guy that can do what he, but can't, he's not a collaborator, right?
75:41He's just like a Brock Purdy. Yeah. And like, is there a ceiling on that?
75:45And like the, the, the assumption is you end up with someone more like what the Packers did, but you're in love.
75:51You get a toolsy guy, teach them to play football because the ceiling's there.
75:55Now there's no right or wrong. McVay's also never developed a quarterback if we're being honest, but it's just, I'm just saying,
76:02well, I'm just saying he tried with Goff and they almost won a Superbowl and then he got Stafford.
76:07So it's his first time in a way picking one.
76:10And I drew Aller is kind of what I thought McVay would do, which is take the guy who can fucking rip
76:16it and just teach him football for three. He's got a nuke.
76:20Yeah. Yeah. And I think McCarthy, I think it's smart.
76:23Craig, when's this guy starting? When's this guy starting for the Steelers?
76:26Well, it's going to be Mason Rudolph if Rogers gets hurt, but there's, there's, I'm, I'm keeping my, keep my eye open.
76:32Peaked. Your interest is peaked. Yeah. There's a little something there.
76:35It moved is my official review of your hour.
76:38Sure. Moved a little. DK, anyone, anyone make it move for you a little?
76:42Yeah. It moved a little when I watched Anthony Richardson play.
76:45Oh, it always does. Of course. I've always, I look, I've, I've liked Richardson.
76:49I'm aware of his shortcomings and I've heard the camp reports that he was recently demoted to third string for the Colts,
76:56but this felt like a trade showcase for the Colts.
76:58And Anthony Richardson played pretty well. I thought he did have one fumble, which wasn't great.
77:03It was on a scramble and he got hit from behind and fumbled it.
77:07But, but I mean, overall he looked pretty good.
77:1011 for 14 for 145 yards. Also rushed 53 times, 53 yards and a TD.
77:14Um, but I mean, it was just kind of like the stuff you saw early on in his career where there's like
77:20flashes where this guy has incredible physical talents. If he could put it together and, and kind of just clean up some
77:26of the other issues, it would be incredible, especially from a fantasy point of view, obviously because he can run and he's a, he's a big, strong athlete.
77:35Um, so I don't know, just, it moved a little watching that.
77:38I, I hope I just want him to get traded so he can kind of get an opportunity somewhere else.
77:44I don't expect him to be a starter this year, but it feels like the Colts have sort of moved on from
77:50him and he wants to leave the Colts. And so let's get this thing done.
77:54Let's get, get him somewhere else. I don't understand why the dolphins or Cardinals would have just sent a fifth round pick for this dude.
78:01I also think the Colts giving rid of him is just being tired of him, but I'm like, I don't know.
78:07I do know where he should go is the, is the damn Browns with Munkin.
78:12Seriously. Well, I, I still think the Eagles are going to end up with the Anthony Richardson.
78:17Every player at the back end of the Eagles roster is what we talk about.
78:21You should do in fantasy football, which is they should be some crazy outlier in some kind of way.
78:26Yeah. And like the Eagles just are like, we'll take the most athletic person we've ever heard of, even if they don't know what football means.
78:34And like, I still can never get over that.
78:36Jordan, my lotto, who's now a top five left tackle.
78:39Didn't know what a quarterback was when they drafted him.
78:42And like, now they have more international pathway players.
78:45They have the Johnny day. Like all these are Johnny Wilson's like six, seven.
78:49I seriously think Anthony Richardson will end up on the Eagles.
78:52I do think the interception was his fault. He doesn't throw a catchable ball.
78:56It doesn't believe in the concept. It went through the guy's hand.
78:59Yeah. It's too hard. Come on. Richardson. Give me a break.
79:03Special. It's like, Hey, can I offer you 200 yards passing 50 yards on the ground?
79:07A couple electric plays and two turnovers. No matter what.
79:10Come on. The ball went through the guy's fucking hand.
79:13It always happens. Almost. Always. That is almost. Goal close.
79:16Oh no, no. Hit the receiver in the hands.
79:18That is almost. You guys catch the fucking ball.
79:21It's almost always the receiver's fault. But yes, I heard Anthony Richardson talk about this.
79:25And the same week I heard Tom Brady talk about it.
79:28I heard Tom Brady give a three minute speech on throwing a catchable football.
79:32Okay. The same week I heard Anthony Richardson say, if I hit you in the hand, you're going to catch it.
79:38Like, I don't care. And then I heard Justin Herbert, like a year later, talk about how he thought it was like Richardson.
79:45And he's like, I realized that was wrong. And I can't just throw it that hard all the time.
79:50And I, I just, now I see it with Richards.
79:53I used to feel that way. Did he get like, I hit him in the hands.
79:58And now I'm like, I just keep thinking about Brady said.
80:01And Gronkowski says, it's a catchable football. Richardson does not have a catchable football.
80:05And he doesn't think he needs to throw a catchable football.
80:08And if someone could just fucking convince him to do it, I think he'd be pretty good.
80:13Okay. I didn't come up with the idea. Tom Brady.
80:16So we actually want a noodle arm guy. We actually want a guy that's not going to throw it hard.
80:22No, you need to throw a different. Don't you have to throw a hundred miles an hour.
80:27If you only got to, you know, anyway, my, it moved for me when I saw Adele Beckham in a Giants uniform again.
80:33That was unbelievable. Oh, that's so sad. Okay. Mr.
80:36Aaron Rogers, Mike McCarthy, come back to her. That was on the Giants more recently than Rogers and McCarthy were together.
80:42Did I say it moved when Mike McCarthy walked into the building?
80:45No, it, it, it reverted into my body when I saw it.
80:49God, just the reverse. Yeah. Yeah. You have to do a hernia check on you.
80:53Uh, any rookie risk. I will say, speaking of Steelers though, I thought Jeremy Bernard, Jeremy.
80:58Oh yeah. I wanted to bring him up. Inspiration for a Jeremy argument.
81:01The germ. The germ. The germ. He should go, he should be number zero, patient zero.
81:06He should be patient zero. It's a great call.
81:08If anyone's with the Steelers, tell Jeremy Bernard to be zero and patient zero.
81:12I, I, I loved him. He's exactly like the Bama tape.
81:16I feel like I got like, he's not, he's nothing special, athletically speed sized, like none of that.
81:21And then you watch him play football and he's always running the great routes.
81:25He always catches everything through his way. He always gets open.
81:28He always gets upfield. And I'm like, slippery. He's a slippery bugger.
81:31He is like the fact that, yeah, it's just, we, there's still not a metric for just a certain type of way that a guy can play.
81:39Like he doesn't have any of those special tools.
81:42And yet he made like two guys miss in a phone booth on the corner of the field on his first catch.
81:48I think he was like running up the right.
81:51Two guys came on top of him. He just like split between them.
81:54And that's just feel that some people have or don't have, regardless of how fast they are.
81:59He does look good. Feel. I, I love Jeremy.
82:02I, I, it's weird. I don't, I don't know if I want him for fantasy.
82:06Cause I actually do think you're again, they called him on get Bama.
82:10Cause he was so mature. So I actually do think he's one of the rare rookies that could win Aaron Rogers over.
82:16I would almost never entertain it. DK Metcalf and Michael Pittman are both missing practice this week.
82:21I still don't think I want Jeremy Bernard. He's a waiver ad.
82:24He's not a draft pick, but I do think he was going to have like an 11 year career.
82:30Like everything about Jeremy Bernard is like he's a pro.
82:33I kind of feel like he fits the Aaron Rogers offense.
82:36Well, too, just give him the ball and let him do stuff.
82:39Like his Rogers is trying to get rid of the ball quickly.
82:43Yes. Yeah. I want to get hit. Uh, I think maybe he could be like their Rasheed Rice type kind of guy.
82:49Totally. Yeah. Yeah. The flip side is Jacoby lane.
82:52Who doesn't necessarily, uh, do any of those things.
82:54He's literally on the Ravens. The right, the right, the right, rival don't know how much he's getting open or doing the
83:01Jeremy Bernard things, but he just is one of the most incredible catching players.
83:05We've in a like years. What's the deal here?
83:07Is he going to be good or not? Is he going to be relevant or not?
83:12The work, this is like a month in now of this guy's amazing.
83:15He, he plays a preseason game. He catches a touchdown.
83:18He has like 40 yards. DK. Fart or shark.
83:21I don't know what I mean. Yeah. But the opposite.
83:24Fart or shark positive. I tend to believe it's real.
83:27I think it's so funny. This is such a classic example.
83:30I've been thinking this all preseason and kind of just all off season that it's like we study all these big name
83:36receivers, Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, Makai Lemon, and the fucking guys that are making the most noise in training camp.
83:42Jacoby lane. He was like a fourth rounder. Cyrus Allen.
83:45He was a fifth, fifth rounder. Caleb Douglas, who was widely panned as the biggest reach in the entire draft for the Dolphins.
83:51We got John scribbling who everyone made fun of, including me for being that for being taken that high, even though I did like him for the record.
83:59I just thought it was like ridiculous that he went 33 overall.
84:03All these rando dudes from the mid rounds are the ones who are like really, really exciting and legitimately could have huge roles with their teams.
84:10I just think it's, it's such a classic example of what a crapshoot the draft is.
84:15And, you know, situation environment are so important for so many of these guys.
84:19And I just think it's, I just think it's a fascinating thing.
84:22Like I did not think Jacoby lane. I was more excited about Elijah Surratt, who I haven't heard a damn thing about in Ravens.
84:29Not having a good camp. Yeah. Also waffle house.
84:32Maybe that in retrospect, that's a bad nickname. Yeah.
84:34So anyways, Jacoby lane, but he looks awesome. He looks real.
84:37And I think the role that he could play in their offense as a big bodied, go up and get it.
84:43He's such the antithesis of Zay, of Zay flowers, where Zay flowers is kind of, you know, moving all over the field.
84:50He's just really explosive and fast and quick and beating guys, um, after the catch and things like that.
84:55And the Jacoby lane is just like, throw the ball in his direction.
84:59He's going to come down with it. Lane lane is, I think his floor is Isaac to slot for the lions where
85:05he has like, the worst case is Jacoby lane has 10 catches this year and three of them make sports center as touchdowns.
85:12Yeah. Uh, I think his ceiling is that he gets all the touchdowns.
85:16We say Zay flowers doesn't catch. And the Jake Toby lane, maybe has 400 yards this year, but like seven touchdowns.
85:22Uh, I do think he can become a real receiver, but he just, he's not going to get off press.
85:27Like he has to be moved around the line.
85:30And that's the problem is like, who's in motion.
85:32He's not going to get off press coverage, but if they can get them in the slot or if they can just
85:39get them offset somehow or in motion for the snap, um, he's an intriguing player.
85:43Cause I, he's, it's like fly paper. It's, it's just, anything goes his way.
85:47Do you think he should be drafted in like a 12 team redraft league?
85:51Probably not. DK. Probably not just because he's going to be behind Zay flowers, probably Rashad Bateman and probably Mark Andrews.
85:57He's more of a dynasty intrigue for me, which speaking of during this very podcast, I just got a trade offer from
86:03our very own Danny Heifetz in our dynasty league.
86:06I was praying you'd find this. Heifetz is offering me a second round draft pick in 2027 for Jordan Tyson.
86:12I was trying to, I got the idea when you said, yeah, it's so hard to like, just not be in the
86:18moment and give up on a guy. Um, no, I will not accept your late second round pick for Jordan.
86:24I just was sure. I don't know. He could never play.
86:27What's up with this hamster? He's seeing like a third specialist.
86:30What's going on? You're right. I mean, first round talent.
86:33If you want to offer me a first, let's talk.
86:36If I, what would I have to offer you?
86:38He's not going to take it, but I'll talk.
86:41Yeah. Craig and I, I once made, uh, we, we had a negotiation and I offered him, I think four first round picks for Justin Jefferson.
86:48This was last year's trade deadline. Yeah. And I offered him four first round picks and we were going back and forth.
86:55And I was like, I'm not going over four first round picks.
86:58That's like enough. I felt it was fair for just Jefferson.
87:01And then I just went to bed. I was like, let me know what you do.
87:06It set it to like six hours. I went to bed and I just went to bed and I woke up and
87:12I was like, wondering if I would have Justin Jefferson or four first round picks.
87:17I think this team was good. So they're, they would all probably be like late first for at least the first couple of years.
87:23And I was like, I got to say, I'm kind of a sneaky GM.
87:27If you kind of look at my squad, kind of drafted some bangers, Tyler shock tootin.
87:32I've been taking guys in the late rounds that have pop quorum saying lad, I kind of have the eye, but where'd you finish last year?
87:39Fourth from last, which by the way, you two scrubs eliminated from our fantasy baseball league.
87:44Me, I'm in. Well, I wasn't going to mention that I won that dinish the league you're talking about, but since you
87:50called me a baseball scrub, I did win the other league.
87:54I'm just, I just showed up one, like five straight made the playoffs.
87:57You two. Yeah. All right. You guys are in Cabo right now.
88:01Any, any other things with these rookie receivers or preseason that you want to hit?
88:05You guys buying Cyrus Allen on the chiefs? Oh, I'm starting to give in.
88:09I do think that the chiefs actually need a player like him.
88:12Sorry. So again, he's the rookie receivers of fifth rounder DK.
88:16Mm-hmm. I think so. Yeah. I, yeah, he looks legit.
88:18Like every time you see him, every time you see a replay of play that he made at practice or, I mean,
88:25in this game for what it's worth, I think the one catch he had was a screen player, just a quick out,
88:31but, um, but yeah, he just moves different. He's really, really twitchy.
88:35And I think the deal is he can get open against press coverage and man coverage, which they don't really have other guys that can do that.
88:42That Cyrus Allen had a catch this week where he just went up and got that ball.
88:47And you know, all I could think was, man, they don't have anyone who does that anymore.
88:52I agree. He, he, he brings like a, like an athleticism that you don't really see.
88:57Rishi Rice and Xavier Worthy are both talented in their own specific ways, but I wouldn't call either of them like super athletic.
89:03Um, so Rishi Rice is athletic, I guess. Oh yeah.
89:06He's fast. I love that Worthy 40 yard dash record is not athletic, but I, yet somehow I knew.
89:12You know what I mean, right? Like he doesn't have that like five tool athleticism.
89:16Your best take is that Xavier Worthy doesn't look that fast.
89:19He doesn't. He doesn't look like the guy who set the record.
89:22Does it look like the fastest player in history?
89:25No, no, uh, no, all these rookie guys are exciting, but I wouldn't take any of them.
89:30Alki fields, the giants, Caleb Douglas. I wouldn't draft anything.
89:33Cyrus Allen. I, Cyrus Allen's a worthy flyer. Like I would pick him just cause where they could get hurt again instantly.
89:39Cause he's 160 pounds. And so Cyrus Allen's the guy of all these rookies that I would actually, if we're playing the,
89:45uh, confirmation bias Olympics, Jonah Coleman looked legit. On his, on his like whatever four runs that he had.
89:51I was like, damn, I wish so much. I didn't have to be against him.
89:55There's really, it's, there's a very serious chance. The Broncos just have the best record in the NFL.
90:00And Jonah Coleman is the lead running back third down and goal and care running back for them.
90:05He just looks like a real NFL running back.
90:08What Craig was saying basically about Jeremy Bernard, which is that he just has a feel for playing football.
90:13That's how exactly how I feel about Jonah Coleman.
90:16He just looks like a running back. He, he knows how to be patient at times.
90:21He knows how to like, uh, you know, bounce, bounce the run.
90:24If he needs to run through a tackle spin move.
90:27Um, he's just got like functional football ability. I can't explain it, but he just looks so good compared, especially compared to
90:33Harvey, who just didn't really do anything in the game.
90:36So I don't know, kind of getting excited about Jonah Coleman.
90:39All right. Can we get to the real, the real, the real loser of the preseason?
90:44Yes. We buried the lead here. The loser of the preseason is Jaden Daniels.
90:48Can you, okay. I need you to explain this to me.
90:51Like I'm five years old. Cause I haven't, I kind of, this, this story has kind of gone over my head.
90:57I didn't like look into it. Tell me what's happening with Jaden Daniels.
91:01Everyone's memeing him to death. The short version is Jaden Daniels revoked LSU's right to use his name, image and likeness.
91:07Cause they issued number five to a five-star cornerback.
91:09And then also he threw a tantrum. He threw a tantrum.
91:13Okay. And cause they gave his number away to another good player.
91:16And when the, I mean, all you need to know is the New York Mets won a game for one and posted.
91:22We, we kept it away from five out of respect for Jaden Daniels.
91:26Like when the Mets are making fun of you, but I, what actually happened, it turns out, I think a booster for
91:32LSU promised a cornerback, a number, and then that Lane Kivita to go with it.
91:37But here's my question for you guys. Is it more embarrassing if Jaden Daniels was like, I'm mad about that.
91:42I'm going to have my lawyers tell LSU to kick rocks.
91:45Or is it more embarrassing if his mom just did it for him?
91:49I mean, mom, I think so too. Yeah. If I'm Jaden Daniels, cause he tried to blame his team and I'm like,
91:56he should just pretend that it was him. He should just be like, I got really mad.
92:00I care about my Heisman. I think your mom just doing that for you is actually, you're a quarterback of a team.
92:07It's incredibly petty. Let me ask you this. Like what Craig, Craig's like, here's, here comes a good question.
92:12No, I don't know. How, what, what do you have to accomplish in college where your number cannot be used again?
92:18He won a Heisman. Yes. They didn't make the national championship.
92:21They didn't win a national championship. Did they make the semifinals?
92:24They didn't make the playoffs. Like, is that more important than the Heisman or do you need both?
92:30Like what, what needs to happen where you can kind of credibly say my numbers off limits forever?
92:35So forever, to be clear. So LSU doesn't retire jerseys.
92:38I think it's just Billy Cannon. Joe Burrow has not been, it's not retired, but they're not reissuing it again.
92:43Sure. Heisman and when undefeated. It's off limits. I would, most schools, if you want a Heisman, you, you would probably reissue it.
92:50I will say this. LSU, like Penn state has a tradition where, and I think NFL teams should do this.
92:56I think retiring jerseys is actually stupid. They should do what LSU does, which is it becomes an honor.
93:01And it's like, they pass it down. Like Abdul Carter asked for Lawrence Taylor's number.
93:05And everyone's like, you have no respect. It's like, no, number 11 gets passed down at Penn state from like Nevorah.
93:11Yeah. It's an honor. Sure. LeVar Arrington to Nevorah Bowman to like, uh, to Micah Parsons.
93:16It's like, it's a, it's a responsibility. You have to uphold the number.
93:20The Cowboys have that with the receivers with 88.
93:22And it becomes like, you have a group chat and like, you're learning.
93:26It's like a fraternity of it's like, so the LSU has done this number.
93:30I think seven, like Patrick Peterson, like all the best players get a number.
93:34So you had two roads. You create a path where like, Hey, number five, you have to uphold the, the, the, the
93:40legacy of number five, or, um, my lawyers have rescinded your ability to use my picture.
93:45And it's like, it's so pathetic. Oh man. This is like when you like, this is just like the same energy as like wiping the monopoly board.
93:53And when you're losing, when you've like officially run out of money and you're like, I just got off.
93:58Yeah. You see the one there? Like, they're going to remove a side of the building from the Pentagon.
94:04It's out of respect for James. Oh, the square.
94:06Um, I don't know. I feel like I do Craig to answer your question.
94:10I do kind of feel like the Heisman should be enough.
94:13Like winning the Heisman is pretty fucking sick. Um, but that being said, the reacting this way to not to them using
94:20your number is really sad because they don't, they just don't retire numbers.
94:23But I do think like, generally if you ask me, is winning the Heisman enough to get your number retired at a college?
94:30I would say, yeah, I think so. Do you guys think you would care enough about this?
94:35It's, it's really hard to say. I can't fathom that level of athletic accomplishment.
94:39It's, I don't know, to be honest. Yeah. I'd like to think no, but I don't know if I was Jane Daniels.
94:45I don't know. You're not a competitive psycho. I don't know.
94:48I'm not in the NFL. I know what you're saying though, where it's like, but he did win the Heisman.
94:54Like you'd think that just winning the Heisman, and you're like, yeah, you don't get that number.
94:59Is there also, do you think there's more to this story?
95:02Do they, wait, did they ask him how it is?
95:05A five-star recruit who has worn five his whole life, and apparently was promised it by someone.
95:10I don't know if, I think it was a booster, not the coach, but he's like, I've worn five my whole life.
95:16And like, you need a five-star recruit. Do you think Jaden is just upset that he wasn't consulted first?
95:22Like, do you think if they had come to him and they're like, hey, this recruit wants five, how do you feel about it?
95:29We obviously want to come to you first out of respect.
95:32Jaden? Right, right. Yeah. Air quotes Jaden. But do you think had they, had they contacted Jaden and his team, this could
95:38have been approved, but under certain more respectful circumstances?
95:41Maybe. I don't know. I, I, I'm embarrassed for everybody.
95:43If I was the corner, you know what I would do?
95:47I'd be like, Jesus, you can take it. That's even more pathetic.
95:50Yeah. I'd be like, Jesus Christ, you care that much?
95:53Fine. I'll be six. Relax. Do you think the commanders are talking shit behind his back?
95:58Do you think they're showing him the memes and he's in on it?
96:01Or do you think they're all like seeing the memes and like, not like laughing, like, like, and then he walks in
96:08the room and they're hiding their phones. Do you think he's texting his mom?
96:12Like mom, everyone's, everyone's making fun of me. He doesn't have to text her.
96:16She's in the room. He has like a job.
96:18She's dude. She's, it's a known thing. She's never more than 30.
96:22He has like social media child's lock on his phone.
96:24So maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know this is happening.
96:28It's true. Otherwise, this is brutal. I mean, all these guys are online all the time.
96:32Like, I don't know how you get through that.
96:35Hopefully being part of the joke or yeah. Or he's just like, dude, my mom's crazy.
96:40Like so annoying. I don't really care. Anyway, let's go play football.
96:43Throw me the ball, please, sir. All right. Other rent, a couple other random things.
96:47This one had hit. First of all, I don't know if you guys saw this, but I don't know who this, how
96:54to say this to man's name, Sierra, right? A cornerback for the bangles and undrafted free agent who made a couple tackles in the bangles preseason debut.
97:01Quit the bangles to pursue an acting opportunity. I did see this.
97:05He, at first I was like, what? And then I saw he went to USC for three of five years.
97:11So LA, and he was actually played LeBron James's son in space jam too, which is not nothing.
97:16What? Yeah. And so he, he couldn't say what the, what the movie was, but he quit to do, he quit to, to, to go do the movie.
97:24Cool. Cool. Cool. I mean, go for it. You know what I mean?
97:28Correct. Pursue your dreams. What movie do you think?
97:30What role would be big enough to just not try to make the corn, the bangles practice squad for me?
97:36No, no, not for someone who's shot. Like, think about the, movies of which you can't remember their names that you've been in.
97:42If this kid had a shot to like, well, I don't know.
97:46Maybe this is probably way too big. I'm trying to think of like, if he could be in like a, like a
97:52bad comic book, Marvel movie as like a top five character, you'd have to do that.
97:57I think like, if he can be like the most irrelevant X-Men and the new X-Men, you have to do it.
98:03I think. Oh, easily. I mean, that's no brainer, right?
98:06Sure. It's longer than an NFL career. Yeah. But if it's like, he's doing Indies and has no leads, I don't know.
98:12I really want to know what it is though.
98:15The, the other thing I had to mention was, you know, it's winners losers, but I also wanted to mention risers and fallers.
98:21And I wanted to just shout out Puka Nuku as a faller.
98:25As then he literally said, he fell through the glass window pane at Michael Rubin's white party.
98:29The problem I have is not that he did it.
98:32You know, it happens to the best of us.
98:35You get a little loose at a party. Windows are actually clear.
98:38So why did this man do Logan Paul's podcast?
98:41Yeah. Is what is his team doing? Having Puka Nuku do Logan Paul's podcast.
98:45Glad you said that. I was shocked because part of it was also like, he went to rehab this year and then he's goes on Logan Paul's show.
98:53And it's like, yeah, I fell through a window pane, you know, like this summer.
98:57I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
99:00I don't know. I guess you can't stop him.
99:02If you wanted to do it, he gets to do it.
99:06But Bill had, Bill had the Tyson zone thing.
99:08They're like, like you would believe any story about Mike Tyson.
99:11And we, I think Puka, we have to induct him into the Tyson zone.
99:15A hundred percent. You can tell me anything happened to him in this offseason.
99:19I would believe it at this point. I just love that he went on Logan Paul's podcast.
99:24His agent's like, Hey man, you've had kind of a wild summer.
99:28Maybe just lay low for a little bit until we get this contract extension worked out.
99:32Oh, you wait, you're going to a Logan, Logan Paul's podcast.
99:35Great. Cool. Cause you always want to be like, what are they thinking?
99:39Went through a door. But Puka is the same thing to me as Kim Scadaboo, where he does something like that.
99:45I'm like, what are you thinking? And then you remember it's like the Simpsons thing with the monkey symbols.
99:51It's like, that's, you know what I mean? Yeah.
99:53Like you go on, if you like look at the show, it's like Logan Paul challenges Puka Nakua to a fight.
99:59I'm like, what are we, what are we doing?
100:02I think lay low. All right. That's my Gen Z.
100:05Cause here's the thing. I feel like, you know, there's like headlines on the internet that like, you're like, who would ever
100:11click on this, but they're like spam texts. And you're like, well, they get sent because boomers click on them.
100:17And you're like, boomers have no idea. And like that, what you just said, that kind of headlines, like a Gen Z.
100:23I had multiple people ask me about the Logan Paul Brady thing being like, did you see that?
100:28Like the slap? That was crazy. Can you believe it?
100:31And I was like, this is all fake. It's all fake.
100:34No, yeah. The, yeah. Brady, who's just been doing press with Michael Rubin for like years now.
100:39Like, I don't think it was like an orchestrated slap.
100:42You could see Logan Paul from a different angle, get his hand in front of it to block it.
100:47He didn't even really get palm to face. No, man.
100:50It's all smoke and mirrors. It's all Hollywood. This segment is brought to you by chat.
100:55GPT, the ringer fantasy football AI sponsor. We looked at the biggest risers and fallers in ADP this week, and I want
101:01to just take you guys through them. So the biggest risers in ADP this week.
101:05So Stefan digs on the commanders, Jacoby lane on the Ravens rookie who catches everything.
101:10And then Marshall Lloyd, who also went to USC, like Jacoby lane, who's the backup running back from the Packers seems to
101:16be beating Chris Brooks out for the backup Packers job.
101:19And Josh Jacobs is a little injured. So Marshall Lloyd has not played a lot cause he's been hurt, but he could
101:25be a guy who rises a lot. Biggest fallers.
101:28Isaac Tesla did not have a good preseason game, had a couple of drops and bobbles that I was, I'm a little upset about Isaac Tesla.
101:35Isaiah Pacheco. Also the lions hurt, hurt his MCL out a month.
101:39Gonna play week one. Not great. And then Jerry Judy for the Browns who is just getting frame mogged by Denzel Boston
101:45in case he can sepcion in Cleveland and has to deal with Deshaun Watson.
101:49Jerry Judy is a, yeah. Jerry Judy has such a weird career.
101:52Jerry Judy, like not long ago, like had a stretcher.
101:55He led the league in NF in receiving yards.
101:58Every time that. Jameis Winston, baby. Jameis. He literally led the NFL in receiving yards for a while.
102:03Every time I get upset about a fantasy pick that I get wrong.
102:07I remember the John Elway took Jerry Judy over Justin Jefferson.
102:10The, the one that jumps out to me most here is probably Marshawn Lloyd.
102:14Uh, he's definitely like a darling in the fantasy communities of people like wish cast him to be good, but he's taking
102:20all the reps right now at the first team.
102:23If Josh Jacobs, I don't know. Do you think Marshawn Lloyd is like one of the better handcuffs, stash picks you can make in drafts?
102:30Kirkland brand. Jonathan Brooks, guy who's barely played football.
102:33That was pretty talented. Yeah. Yeah. I think theoretically he is just because he is looks like the clear cut number two back on that team.
102:40And, you know, came into the NFL. He was highly regarded as a running back coming into the NFL.
102:46I mean, he's super explosive, fast guy with plenty of production, good in the passing game.
102:50So I think theoretically, but again, it's like hard to trust with the injury thing.
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103:13You guys talk to yourself when you're alone. You know, I don't, but I've heard it's really good for you.
103:19Yeah, I do. Legitimately psychologically. It's like actually very good for you to talk to yourself, especially positive self-talk.
103:24It's fascinating. Fascinating science. You will be good at fantasy football this year.
103:28You will be good at fantasy football. Don't well, don't sob.
103:31Don't weep. Right, right, right. You have to pretend to be calm.
103:35You're tricking your brain into believing something. Craig, I will occasionally talk to myself when I'm alone.
103:39And it is kind of nice. Email us at ring of fantasy football, gmail.com.
103:43If you know about talking to yourself, you're alone, either personal experience or just what's going on with that.
103:49And doggone it. People like you. I mean, look at castaway.
103:52You know what I mean? I think I would need a Wilson within like three days.
103:57I'd have to argue with DK. What's your, what object are you picking?
104:00If we had to do the Wilson object draft.
104:03Well, I mean, that could get dangerous. Nothing for sexual pleasure.
104:06I think you're not going to, I don't need to cut in a hole in the coconut or anything.
104:12Okay. I mean, part of me is like a baseball just because you could toss it.
104:16But you're talking about just as a friend to have to talk to.
104:20It needs to be your friend. That has to be somewhat face looking.
104:24You think? Probably. Volleyball's a good one, especially at the beach.
104:27Did he play with the volleyball? I haven't seen castaway in a while.
104:30Does he like? No, he like placed it next to the fire and just like talk to it and stuff.
104:36There's no bumping and setting and spiking. He's not, he's not playing pepper with it.
104:40What is your question? What, what object would you pick to have to be your Wilson?
104:45It's a perfectly normal question to ask. And to be clear, it can't be a blow up sex doll.
104:51No. Okay. It could be, but you can't have sex with it.
104:54Unless we think, unless we think Tom Cruise is, or Tom Hanks is having sex with Wilson.
104:59I don't, I don't think. How long was he there?
105:02A fucking long time. You get lonely. Four years?
105:04I think Bill thinks he was hooking up with Wilson.
105:07What, how does, how does the mechanics of that work, Craig?
105:10I think there's maybe like a, a backdoor situation.
105:13Okay. A small incision was made. Hmm. Okay. It has to be something that feels human.
105:17Like you're right. A, a, a, a, a circle looks like a head.
105:21You can kind of connect with that. If you chose a baseball bat, it's like, can you really kind of personify a baseball bat?
105:28Maybe not. I don't think you can. I don't know.
105:31Oh, football helmet is interesting. Easy to carry. Cause then you can, then you can put it on and you guys are
105:37like hanging out to get, it's like, you're giving them a piggyback ride.
105:41I'm getting inside your head. Yeah. That's not bad.
105:44Let's spin off this planet. Yeah. Cause like a pair of shoes.
105:47It's like, wait, you're not going to become friends with a pair of shoes.
105:51Obviously. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. All right.
105:54All right. Okay. Thank you. DK. Thank you, Craig.
105:56Thank you to Tom Hanks for your work on cast away.
106:00Thank you. Need a kill. Thank you. Cam. Thank you.
106:02Boo. Thank you. Carlos. Thank you. Austin. Thank you everyone for listening.
106:06Email us. We're going fancy football. Gmail.com. We'll take fantasy questions.
106:09We'll also take, what was the things we asked for?
106:12I wanted whatever I said earlier. Send me that.
106:15And we want fantasy punishments for the ringer fantasy football league, which again, live draft.
106:19In less than two weeks. Do we have time, Craig?
106:2211 a.m. Pacific on Friday, the 28th. 11 a.m.
106:24Pacific on Friday, the 28th. We're going to be doing the ringer fantasy football league draft live on Netflix at tune in at 11 a.m.
106:31Pacific 2 p.m. Eastern. Thank you, Lord. Lord. I got one if you want it.
106:36Let's see it. All right. Millennial Bangers continues. The playlist is now live.
106:39Link in the description of the episode. It's out there.
106:42Check it out. I'm going to keep adding to it.
106:45Today. Boy, do I have a gem for the two of you today.
106:49You've come on the right day. The chef has really cooked up something special just for the two of you.
106:55This is from 2010. This is the song, like a G6 from far East movement and the cataracts.
107:00Oh, yes. Which is up there for maybe the most millennial sounding song ever made.
107:04I fly like a G6. I think it had sounded as much before.
107:08Yeah, yeah. Now I'm feeling so fly like a G6.
107:11The way the, like the actual melody of the song is incredibly 2010.
107:14This song also popularizes a couple terms, or at least puts them into the mainstream.
107:19Slizzard, getting slizzard, which is just a remarkable millennial term.
107:22Sizzurp is in this song, sipping Sizzurp in my ride.
107:24Like three, six mafia. Now I'm feeling so fly like a G6.
107:28Just a really, like this song rattles your, your speakers in the car.
107:32When you, when you got the crew jammed in and you're 17 years old, it's a blast.
107:37This song rips. I remember this song coming on in the car when I was a kid and my mom feeling like she had lost all touch.
107:44I don't know you anymore. I remember it. Yeah.
107:47Popping bottles in the ice, like a blizzard. When we drink, we do it right.
107:51Getting slizzard, sipping Sizzurp in my ride. I mean, this is one of those where my mom listened to Fleetwood Mac and I'm bumping this.
107:58I know. I was going to say, my mom loves like rumors.
108:02Like my parents had Leonard Skinner or not Leonard or Led Zeppelin or whatever.
108:06And then we're talking about like a blizzard popping bottles in the ice, like a blizzard.
108:10Really tortured similes. I feel like this. I thought the same thing when I first heard it.
108:15Tortured similes. I can't explain though. Like if you don't know this song, you have to listen to it.
108:21It sounds so millennial. It sounds so 2010. Is there anything lamer than like a white person saying Sizzurp?
108:26I don't know anything about the cataracts. I don't know who that is.
108:30I thought you were making, I honest to God thought you were making that up when you said that.
108:35No, when they do songs, they go, it's the cataracts.
108:38Is that what you're saying? Hip hop duo. Don't know them.
108:41The cataracts. I assumed the woman singing was in that.
108:44I kind of, I'm not, I think my entire life, I thought this song was made by the people who did party rock.
108:51Oh, LMFAO. I just kind of assumed that they made like a G6 and I'm kind of shocked to learn that they did not.
108:58No, it's, it's Far East movement, which is like a, like a Korean hip hop group.
109:02And then the cataracts, which I'm now seeing are two white dudes from Berkeley.
109:06That tracks. Which checks out. That's kind of, that's exactly right.
109:09Far East movement I remember now. Yeah, Far East movement.
109:12Yeah. Dude, I, the amount of DJs that are big, that are just two white dudes, either from like Sweden or the Bay is.
109:19DJ, really the original podcasters. I know. My, my friend Chris and I were always like the greatest job that two white
109:25dudes can have is the chain smokers. That's just, that's it.
109:29It's the best job in the world. Yeah. Like, you, you travel globally.
109:32You are like huge globally. You're just playing clubs and stadiums and all this shit.
109:37You're like not, you can like go to the store.
109:40No one knows who you are. You probably make so much money.
109:43It's just, it's probably the best. Do you rather be chain smokers or Daft Punk?
109:47I mean, similar, very similar. I don't know. They're both great.
109:50The Daft Punk was like trying to be anonymous.
109:53Chain smokers aren't doing that. And so they probably get a little bit more of the, the, the benefits of fame.
109:59So I guess I would take chain smokers. Daft Punk is like cooler and definitely more like, you know, artsy.
110:05These chains, the guy, I never seen the guys who are the chain smokers.
110:09These are the two most average white looking guys.
110:11Like I would never an ability. I could walk by these guys.
110:15They could be my next door neighbor. I would have no idea.
110:18Yeah. These dudes, they look like they host that TCPN podcast.
110:21Like you, whatever that's called. TPPN. Like they could just be anyone.
110:25Like I'm white, but I feel like if I saw these, I feel like if I was like, those are the chain smokers, it would be like racist.
110:33That's just, that's just a white guy with a beard.
110:36Yeah, dude. They're living the fucking dream. I don't know their names.
110:39I don't know how old they are. They don't even have Wikipedia.
110:43You can't even click their names on Wikipedia. Alex, Paul and Drew Taggart.
110:46They don't even have Wikipedia pages for themselves. Alex and Drew.
110:49That's incredible. Also, you know that when they were kind of come up with a name, they were like, this is available.
110:56Like one of the odds that chain smokers wasn't nabbed in the seventies.
111:00I got, I got like a G6 plane right now in my ears.
111:03Damn. G6. Oh my God. Now do you think, do you think who makes G6 Boeing?
111:08Do you think they gave them a G6? Is that a company or a brand?
111:12I don't know. They 100% got to fly around in a G6.
111:16I'm not really an expert on, private jet. They must have a G6.
111:19They must each have a G6, right? It's an, uh, it's a Gulfstream G650.
111:23Weren't we just talking about Gulfstream? No, that was someone else.
111:26We were talking about Globemasters. Oh, Globemaster. No, uh, my friend texted me.
111:30Yeah. And they, they wanted you to know DK that while Globemaster is a big plane, there are like much larger planes.
111:36And they sent me a photo that makes Globemaster look like a little bitch.
111:41Oh, wow. Okay. Can I show you this photo?
111:43So, so you think there's bigger planes named six?
111:46Uh, wait, I know you, when you see this photo, you'll know you got, look at this photo.
111:51I'm going to send it to you right now.
111:53That's a Globemaster next to a real plane. Oh, geez.
111:56What's this other fucking guy? I would think the Globemaster would be the biggest one.
112:01No. What's this other thing? Fucking Galaxy Master. I know that the plane, it's such a bigger plane.
112:06You guys are going to be here in a week, right?
112:09For a couple of weeks. Do you think we're going to get slizzard any night?
112:13No slizzard? Oh man. I certainly hope so. Craig, do you, can you pack scissor as a carrier?
112:18Do you have to check it? Uh, how many ounces is it?
112:22Well, we're going to need a lot. Less than four, I think.
112:25That's not enough for you. Okay. A carrier version.
112:28I think you should check the scissor and then, yeah.
112:31You guys ever double cupped? No, I have not.
112:33How dare you, sir? I don't, how could you say that?
112:36I don't actually know what it means, but it sounds bad.
112:40I was thinking of two girls, one cup. Oh, hell.
112:42My God, you took it from a five to a 10.
112:46I didn't want people to be unclear on what I was referencing there.
112:49Dude. That was what I was thinking of. I really think that, that women don't, don't know the horrific shit that teen
112:56boys used to watch on their, quite literally. No clue.
112:58Yeah. They have no fucking idea the horrors we have seen.
113:02You know what I mean? Like, I mean, the greatest generation had world war two and we had the internet.
113:07We're on lemon party and we're watching two girls, one cup.
113:11Friends would just send you meat spin links and tell you like, there's a snow day tomorrow.
113:15Oh my God. You guys are rattling them off.
113:18I still, to this day, like once a year, a friend will send a dummy link about some fake news story and
113:24it'll take you to like meat spin. Yeah. It's the things we've seen.
113:28We've seen some shit. Yeah. Like there's a, there's a two girls, one cup, like extended universe of like even more horrific shit.
113:35Extended universe. Yeah, dude. I don't want emails about this.
113:37No one contact us. No dummy links. No contacting us.
113:40What is, what's double cup though? Sorry. Double cup is like, it's Cody scissor lean, lean purple drink.
113:46Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.
113:48So not what I was thinking. It's what you think.
113:51Not where, not where my mind went on that one.
113:54I think we're going to have to get you some scissor.
113:57That's what I'm learning. All right. DK is like, I'm not talking about two girls, one cup.
114:02I've never done that. Have you seen that video DK?
114:05I have not. You ever seen kick farts? That was another one.
114:08Now I'm afraid. Cause I don't know what that is.
114:11And that makes me scared. No, I, uh, I, I learned what two girls, one cup was.
114:16And then I didn't, I decided not to watch that.
114:19Well, cause you were too old. Like when you were in high school, you didn't have, you didn't have access to the sicko shit that we could watch.
114:27When did that come out? I feel like it was a thing.
114:31It came out on the internet. Check IMDB. When did it come out?
114:34I think the box office was great. I think it was at can in 04.
114:39When they drop it. Oh my God. This is DK's version of everyone.
114:42When he was in high school, thought Marilyn Manson had taken out a rib.
114:46And we all watched like the fucking crazy videos of the internet.
114:50We were watching real people. Try that. Yeah. Dude.
114:52You know what? One of the enduring legacies of the show is the fact that we talked about porn in the woods.
114:59I still get people talking to me and like bringing up or like tagging me in some story about people finding porn in the woods.
115:06I think my favorite, not the best moment of this pod, but my favorite is after you talking about porn in the
115:12woods for years and insisting that it was real and normal.
115:15Then Craig and I once implied that you had jerked off in the woods and you're like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
115:22How dare you? You were very different, very different concept here.
115:25There's porn. There's porn in the woods that you can just look at.
115:29What is the point of porn? I think it's been collapsed with the internet, to be honest.
115:34Had a thing called the spank bank, Craig. You got to remember it for later.
115:38I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow with the porn in my head.
115:43Well, I would still like to be clear that I was not jerking off in the woods.
115:48All right. That's the line. It's just so funny to me.
115:51Some people probably did. Yeah, dude, I bet. You're walking into the woods to find it.
115:55You don't think a one 14 year old in the history who's found porn in the woods is like, you know what?
116:02No one's around. Speaking of no one's around. Yeah.
116:04I think if DK ever started a band, it would be called porn in the woods.
116:09That should be the name of the thing. It's just a little, like I got to get it quicker.
116:14It's gotta be quicker, more catchy. Oh, you gotta be quicker than that.
116:18Porn woods, wood porn, woods porn. I don't know.
116:21That's that's like, I think porn in the woods place, but yeah, maybe that's just the name of your first album.
116:27Yeah. It was a universal experience. Craig. Goodbye. Everyone must be 21 plus and present in select States for Kansas and affiliation
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