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1:51My name is Danny Heifetz. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck and Jackson Dart might be out for the season.
1:57Football's dumb. Why do we do this to ourselves?
2:00I don't know. Heifetz, are you upset that Jackson Dart, Malik Neighbors, and Cam Scadaboo have been on the field together for
2:07only three and a half percent of the Giants' total offensive plays in the last few seasons?
2:12Three and a half percent. The number I saw was 70 snaps.
2:15Three and a half percent is even worse because now it's like 96 and a half percent.
2:20I mean, yeah, no, it sucks. We're going to go over fantasy trade candidates, buy lows, all that stuff.
2:26We'll do fantasy court. But yeah, the Giants got rocked by the Rams on Monday Night Football.
2:31I don't take that personally. The Giants weirdly could have won the game, but it doesn't matter.
2:36Jackson Dart got hurt in the first drive, and we could talk all about it.
2:40But the fact that the snip-snap emotional toll rollercoaster of, oh, I think his leg is dead, to he's fine.
2:46He's back on the field. He wanted to come back into the game, to it's an MCL sprain.
2:51Lip readers are saying 46 weeks. I hate those people.
2:54They're like, actually, it might be two to four weeks.
2:57Then it's like, JK may be out for the season.
3:00No one will tell me what it is, but it's really bad, guys.
3:04And I'm like, you know what? I don't know whether to be distraught and miserable, or I think my real takeaway from
3:10all this is I am, in retrospect, incredibly grateful for Eli Manning, who became the starting quarterback for the Giants when I
3:17was in fourth grade, and then did not miss another game until I was like a staff writer at the ringer at 24.
3:24That's wild. Whipped, whatever. Both the defensive ends get there at the same spot, right?
3:28And the tackles kind of did their job. He was in shotgun and took a seven-step drop from shotgun.
3:34He should have stepped up. The problem was, you know who was there?
3:38Freaking Aaron Donald and Kobe Turner beat both these guards one-on-one.
3:41And I love Francis Mallory. No, I hope he's great, but got absolutely rocked by Kobe Turner.
3:46Aaron Donald's bear crawling toward Jackson Dart. So he's running back.
3:49Aaron Donald's coming at him like a sea monster.
3:52Yeah. And now this, like, the season's over. And Jameis will play better going forward.
3:56Maybe the Giants scratch out a wild card spot and then, like, get rocked in the absolute best case scenario.
4:02But this whole season's about developing Jackson Dart under the John Harbaugh, you know, renovation that's taking place of this Giants team.
4:09And if Jackson Dart misses the season, it feels like just a lost year, period.
4:13Like, at the very least, it's letting the season lie fallow for John Harbaugh to set culture, I guess.
4:19But, like, the whole season's about Jackson Dart, and this sucks.
4:22Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really tough. I think you start to get into implications for whether Jackson Dart will develop into a
4:28franchise quarterback now because he's missing so much time.
4:31Not only did he, is he going to likely miss all but two games for this season, but he missed games last season.
4:38He was in the, you know, he's in the tent, I think, was like 48% of the games he appeared in.
4:44There's real questions here about durability. Not that that's fair, necessarily, because this was kind of a freak play.
4:49Yeah. You know, he just kind of got hit on both sides and the knee got bent backwards.
4:55But, I mean, it is really tough. You start to have a little bit of doubt creep in that he's actually going to turn into a franchise quarterback.
5:03It's a huge bummer because Jackson Dart, I do think, defied the odds and was, like, immediately good in the NFL, and nobody kind of expected that.
5:11I remember, what pick did Dart go in exactly?
5:14Was he, like, mid-to-day? They traded up to him with the Texans.
5:17They took him 25th, I believe. Oh, 25th. I remember the Steelers passed on him, and I was happy about that.
5:23And then the first time I watched Jackson Dart play, I was like, wow, I think this guy might be good.
5:29And then the more I saw him play, the more I believed it.
5:33And the fact that Neighbors, Scadaboo, and Dart are all good picks.
5:37Scadaboo's great. Neighbors is great. Even the twisting of the knife last night with Neighbors hurting his shoulder, and he looked like he was in extreme pain.
5:45And then he came back in the game, and he was, like, playing in the final two series of the game.
5:51We just got this shoulder injury. It's all super depressing.
5:54It reminds me a little bit of Jayden Daniels, who I'm like, when the guy's on the field, he's good.
6:00But it's just, like, how many years does have to keep passing where it's like, oh, all right, last year, let's try again next year.
6:07Before you know it, it's like, Dart and Jayden Daniels are up for second contracts, and they haven't played that much.
6:13Yeah, football's a thresher. And it sucks. Like, it's just, it's a meat grinder.
6:17It's, yeah. No, this just sucks. I don't have any silver linings.
6:21I don't have anything good to say. Like, even Jameis didn't look like Jameis Winston.
6:25Like, that's depressing. Jameis looked horrible. You're bad. Talking about the game, I don't know if it's even a moot point.
6:32Obviously, the Rams won 28-6. They blew them out.
6:34The defense sucks. It's weird, because the pass rush is awesome.
6:37But, like, the linebackers are a work in progress.
6:40The secondary's terrible. The corners are a disaster, yeah.
6:43I'm really frustrated by the defensive game plan. I don't understand how Colton Hood, a rookie cornerback I'm very excited about, ends
6:49up, like, one-on-one with Devontae Adams at the goal line when he had 12 or 11 touchdowns last year from the one-yard line.
6:56I don't get how there's no safety help in Devontae with a rookie who's in his second career game.
7:02I don't really understand anything going on in defense.
7:04I don't get why Najee Harris is playing on third and two in the most important play of the game for the Giants instead of Scadaboo.
7:12That was, to me, the most unforgivable moment of the entire game.
7:15I was absolutely flabbergasted. It seems like there's, like, no rhyme or reason when Scadaboo was in or out.
7:21The offense was discombobulated. Like, people weren't on the same page.
7:24The play that Jackson Dart got hurt. Everyone was confused.
7:27Like, they came out of the snap. Malik Nabors went to the wrong side of the field, and then didn't move over.
7:34And then Theo Johnson, who's the tight end at Penn State, behind Isaiah Likely, and he's, like, he's got his hands up.
7:40He's like, what are we doing? People didn't know the play.
7:43I don't know if that's why Jackson Dart took the seven-step drop.
7:47But, again, the irony of the play is the tackles kind of did their job.
7:51They're moving those defensive ends. He's supposed to step up in the pocket.
7:55Those guys are, like, 10 yards deep. Dart is too far back.
7:59How much of that's on Dart? How much is that it's third and 12 or whatever?
8:03He's going to buy time. How much of that's, again, Aaron Donald just going through John Runyon like it's nothing, while Kobe Turner's beating Francis Marinoa.
8:11Like, it was just kind of, like, a perfect distillation of the problem, which is the guards are good but not good enough.
8:18The game, the offense looks discombobulated. Like, why it's third and two, and you built this, like, beefy Patrick Ricard, scataboo, multi-tight end lineup with a fullback.
8:26But then third and two, you have three receivers on the field when you barely have three receivers on the team.
8:32Everything's annoying. But, you know, it just sucks to – look at me.
8:36Like, these dying gasps of me trying to talk about the game when it's like, the season's over.
8:41That's the disease of the mind. I'm still thinking about this game they lost by 22.
8:46And I'm like, the season's over. And I'm already clinging to things to think about.
8:50But I don't know. I don't know. It sucks.
8:53I'm sorry. I saw our buddy Scott Barrett. I was actually so earnest.
8:57He's also a Giants fan, Scott Barrett is. And he was like, usually I have to wait until, like, Thanksgiving to be eliminated mathematically from the playoffs.
9:05Like, maybe now this is actually just a good thing.
9:08I don't have to think about the Giants and potential, you know, playoffs or whatever.
9:12I get to just enjoy the rest of the season and watch football for football.
9:16I can, like, watch the Yankees blow it in the playoffs again.
9:20I could watch the Knicks. I'll think about all this time I'll have not watching the Giants.
9:25The annoying thing is, while I'm being delusional, I swear to God the Giants could have won that game.
9:31Like, it should have been 14. Jameis, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like Jameis Winston is not going to be Jameis.
9:38He'll always be Jameis and make dumb decisions. I kind of couldn't believe how many times there was an open receiver that he couldn't hit.
9:45Like, the ball wasn't, like, he had so many open players for touchdowns.
9:49And he either didn't see them or bounced the ball.
9:52And I'm like, man, Jameis, I want you overthrowing these guys, not underthrowing them.
9:56I just, I don't know. It was really sad to watch Jameis unable to pull Trigg.
10:01I'm like, oh my God, there's touchdowns left, right, and center.
10:04But he'll be better with more time, I hope.
10:07But, like, I don't know. I'm just sad. I'm just sad.
10:10Dude, the Rams had a stretch where they had turnovers and back-to-back plays and then a penalty right after that.
10:16Yeah. And they missed the field goal going into halftime.
10:19That's 14-3. I mean, it felt like it was 21-0.
10:22The fact that, I mean, it was a two-score game and a one-score game for decent chunks of this game.
10:27So I totally agree. Like, even if Jameis was decent, he looked like noodle arm Manning out there.
10:33Like, he just couldn't get the ball. Yeah, it was weird.
10:36He kept dirting it. It was, yeah. I agree.
10:39I mean, again, I know it sounds crazy. It was 20-6.
10:42But the Giants kind of should have been winning in the middle of the fourth quarter.
10:47Well, they were hanging. Yeah, they were hanging around long enough.
10:50And then I think the Rams at the end kind of put it away decisively.
10:54Yeah, they had a couple chances to make. Again, and I know I'm just harping on one thing.
11:00But, like, the fact that Najee was in there on that goal line series was, it actually infuriated me.
11:05I don't get it. And I'm not even the Scadaboo lover like you guys.
11:09You guys love him. I totally agree, though, that he sets a tone and the physicality.
11:14And his versatility is so much more important than what Najee brings.
11:17I mean, it's like, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
11:21And then they had him out there in garbage time when they're down, like, 21 points.
11:26Like, oh, now you're going to play him? It just drives me insane when these old coaches have these, like, oh, well, he's our goal line guy.
11:34He's our red zone package guy. It's like, no, just put your best players on the field, you idiots.
11:39That just drove me insane. Is there anyone you would want more than Cam Scadaboo to fucking grind you two yards?
11:45Like, is there anyone who wants two yards more than Cam Scadaboo?
11:49Najee, who was, like, on his couch a couple weeks ago.
11:52Like, I can't believe this. The energy is infectious because Scadaboo, when dark goes down, you need Scadaboo's energy on the team.
11:59Like, never mind. I don't know. The whole thing bothered me.
12:02I do want, I mean, again, the Giants did not deserve to win the game.
12:06The Rams played better. Devontae Adams was unbelievable. Eight catches, 195 yards, two touchdowns.
12:10Easily could have had more. I don't understand how, when Puka Naku is not playing, the Giants just let Devontae crush them.
12:17Like, Devontae got Tyler Newbin, a safety I'm very frustrated with, on a double move where I'm like, I don't understand how
12:23Devontae is getting a 60-yard catch when Puka Naku is not playing.
12:27I don't understand, again, why Devontae's one-on-one at the goal line.
12:30I get why, when Puka's playing, the Rams can get Devontae a one-on-one.
12:34I don't get when Puka's out why the Rams don't even need to put Devontae in motion to get him against a
12:41rookie cornerback who's shading inside to hide the slant.
12:43And then Devontae just does, like, a slant and goes to the pylon.
12:47I'm like, this is the easiest touchdown I've seen him have in years.
12:51I don't get it. But again, they played great.
12:53The other person just have to, you know, Jackson Dart, I don't want to belabor on because we don't know it, but he's probably, it's probably fucked.
13:01The person I want to talk about is Aaron Donald, who, I actually think it's underrated how incredible his performance was in this game.
13:08I kind of think the Dart injury has overshadowed that.
13:11I thought Aaron Donald was unbelievably impactful. And frankly, I assumed that he would have some kind of ramp-up period that didn't really exist.
13:19He played, like, you know, less than half the snaps.
13:21But when he was in the game, the Giants had to double-team him every time.
13:26And when they didn't, he just immediately won. And they had to be running around Aaron Donald or, like, the plays were
13:32designed to leave him unblocked and use the aggressiveness against him.
13:36But among other takeaways, I actually think that if Miles Garrett comes back healthy, I do think the Rams are going to win the Super Bowl.
13:43Because I couldn't believe how immediately good Aaron Donald was on a per-play basis.
13:47Yeah, I mean, he looked like himself, which is all you can really hope for.
13:52Obviously, you know, I think he had only one pressure in the game, but that doesn't kind of capture the impact that he was making.
13:59He was getting double-teamed constantly. He looked good. He looked physical and spry, and he looked like he had push.
14:05He looked like he was fresh. Yeah. And as soon as they get Miles Garrett back, oh, my God.
14:11Yeah. So this was a good reminder of the Rams still being the Rams, and they look great at times.
14:17They did kind of let the Giants hang around.
14:19But overall, they took care of business. They did their thing.
14:22At the end of the game, did you guys see that Sean McVay basically took the blame for the Australia trip?
14:29It was funny. To close his presser, he was like, sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.
14:33And sometimes you have a coach who makes idiotic travel plans.
14:37Something along those lines. He said, sometimes you have a dumbass coach who makes a scheduling plan that puts you in a bad spot.
14:44Right. And then he slaps the podium and walks off.
14:47There you go. There's your sound clip. Bye. You can have it.
14:50He took the blame, even though maybe it wasn't fully his idea or whatever.
14:54But yeah, I don't know. The Rams are fully scary again, in my mind.
14:58Obviously, week one, you're like, what the hell happened to this team?
15:02But what happened was I was texting with my buddies before the game.
15:06I'm like, and they were like, basically, the most likely scenario is the Rams kick their asses and they look like the Rams again.
15:13And I was like, yes. And they did. The person who needs to get calibrated, I think, is Stafford, who, I mean, obviously, Devontae was great.
15:20But I mean, overall, again, I just think the Rams, if everyone's healthy, they will win.
15:25I couldn't believe how good Aaron Donald was. Yeah.
15:28So football's dumb. Anything else on Monday night? Anything else in Jackson Dart?
15:32I'm not thinking of. No, now you can focus on fantasy.
15:35You don't have to worry about rooting for a team.
15:38You know what I mean? Maybe you'll get Jeremiah Smith now.
15:41Like, who knows? So we're going to do by lows for power hour.
15:45But before we do that, I do want to just mention we don't have this person, but I wonder if Malik Neighbors is now a by low.
15:53I was just going to interrupt you and say, I think Neighbors might be a by low candidate just because Jameis played terrible.
16:00But in his entire career, Jameis has been maybe the most like force multiplier in fantasy that we've seen.
16:05Yeah. Like, it's crazy that what element he brings, even though he's not necessarily going to help you win games.
16:11He is a huge, huge variable for fantasy points.
16:14We'll see what happens going forward. He might be throttled by John Harbaugh instead of Brian Dable and coaches that are on offensive or more conservative.
16:21Maybe there's something physical wrong with him. There's arm.
16:24But I agree, TK. I mean, we talked about Jerry Judy.
16:27Jerry Judy catches yards, targets, touchdowns, everything was just double.
16:30Cedric Tillman, who is out cut. And so he's not even he's on a practice squad somewhere.
16:35I don't know. Part of me is like, you have a five day window here where people will be worried about Jameis or Jameis's arm.
16:43The Giants bad vibes. Malik Neighbors had a shoulder injury.
16:45His shoulder is going to be fine. He went back in the game.
16:49And I'm like, man, Malik Neighbors. If you had told us 17 games of Neighbors or 17 games of Jameis or 17
16:56games of Jackson Dart, we would have ranked Neighbors higher if it was with Jameis.
17:00So I kind of think his value is going down as the real value is going to go up.
17:06I am worried about the health. I don't. The shoulder thing kind of freaked me out.
17:11He looked like he was in incredible pain. And then they came.
17:14He came back in. He was also like feels like he's still.
17:18I mean, he's like openly admitted. He's really not 100 percent.
17:21He's like ramping. No, he's not. There's a lot going on there.
17:24So I don't know. I don't know if I would like endorse that with my whole body.
17:29Well, yeah, but I don't think you have to give up as much as you would have because, again, he had one catch for one yard last night.
17:38Like, you know, people are probably panicking. So I think that's and that's kind of a good window into how we want
17:44to do this whole buy low thing, which is we're trying to buy low.
17:48Like, we're not saying that we're going to go through a bunch of players we think you could do with trades.
17:54We usually do this episode next week because I think it's hard to get a trade done after two weeks.
18:00And then after three, everybody's like, oh, and three or one and two wants to do it.
18:05After even two weeks, people usually want to like see their players one more time.
18:10But I don't know if the big start of this year has been more of a disaster than typical years.
18:16There's like six quarterbacks that are out for significant amounts of time.
18:19There's been a lot of like weird fantasy disasters that have already taken place.
18:23So I've already seen trades take place in my leagues.
18:26Trade requests are going around. So we wanted to push it a week earlier because there's just a lot going on.
18:32It feels like desperation is the mother invention. If you want to get trade done, you start with the people at the bottom of the standing.
18:40So oh, and two like that's just like those are the people.
18:44And then I try to try to work backwards from like who's on their team.
18:48But I think just to be clear, we're saying that these people that we're going to talk about are guys that if
18:54you could do your draft over, I think the people who have them are like, I would not take that person straight up.
19:01I regret taking that player and we're basically identifying as you might be able to get for like way less value than
19:08they were drafted even two and a half weeks ago.
19:11Yes. And this will be interesting. I don't think, yeah.
19:14We all kind of submitted our three to four favorite.
19:17Heifetz ranked them. We don't agree on all of these.
19:19Like me looking at this list, I have a couple qualms.
19:23So I'm excited to get into it. We should say, so we're doing this power hour style where every three minutes you'll hear a sound.
19:30We've been experimenting with sounds because TomTom, we can't license TomTom.
19:33So we're figuring out what to do. Last week we tried something.
19:37This week what we're going with is a long time ago when this show was not called the Ringer Fantasy Football Show.
19:43It was called the Dantasy Football Podcast. Great for SEO.
19:46Did you mean fantasy? We had an old producer at the Ringer, Evan Campbell, who made the theme song for that show.
19:53And it was like old school NFL bells mixed with like dubstep.
19:56And we loved it, but it was like a little hot, a little intense.
20:00We changed the name. We kind of changed. But now we've clipped that into a little five second nugget.
20:06And I've kind of always had a nostalgia. We've always kind of loved that song.
20:10So we're going to be doing that today and we'll see how that plays.
20:15It goes hard. So fair warning. It goes hard.
20:17We're really doing like The Bachelor for the Power Hour this year.
20:21We're going to test around. We're doing hometown visits.
20:23Yeah. Yeah. And by the end of the season, we need to find a new Power Hour song.
20:29So we're just going to take it out for a spin.
20:32You know? This is like dating your ex. Yeah.
20:35But yeah. No. It's actually a really good call, DK.
20:38Wow. Yeah. So we're going to do Power Hour style.
20:40Every three minutes you're going to hear this old intro.
20:43It goes. Man. Yeah. That was good. Yeah. It's hardcore.
20:46That gets me excited for football. It feels like we're doing an app for like monster energy.
20:51Yeah. Which we're not. Yeah. Which we're not. We're not doing that.
20:55To be clear. Yeah. We're not. We're going to go through bylaws.
20:58And again, these guys are going to suck. I'm just warning you ahead of time.
21:03And it's going to suck. Let's do it. It's scary.
21:06All right. I'm going first. Number one. Three minutes on the clock.
21:09Colston Loveland and Luther Burden. That's right. The Bears.
21:12It's been a disaster. Colston Loveland has one catch for three yards over two weeks.
21:16I would argue the Tijon, the Baygent news. It might not be Baygent because he's in concussion protocol.
21:22So we might be in Case Keenum territory. I would argue that helps your chances of getting Colston Loveland in a trade.
21:28You can wait a week if you want to get cute.
21:31They're playing the Eagles on Monday Night Football and it might be with Case Keenum.
21:36So it could be a disaster. I mean, it can't really get worse than what Colston Loveland is already doing.
21:42But I almost don't even want to like, I think it's obvious why you'd buy low on him.
21:47He's a talent. We all agree. We think he's a good player.
21:51And his involvement in the offense from like a route participation and a snap standpoint is great.
21:56So I would post him number one. And number two, Luther Burden, who there are a little bit more alarming stats about how many snaps he's playing.
22:03And Kalief Raymond and all the stuff like that.
22:06But if you look at the routes every time Kalief dropped back, Burden, Adunze, and Loveland are all around 75%.
22:12Regardless of how many actual snaps they're playing, when they're throwing the football, all three of them are usually running routes for like three-fourths of the time.
22:20What I will want to say is like, I think the Vikings game you should throw out.
22:25Not because like, I know it's like playing a good defense doesn't just mean you can throw out all the stats.
22:31But the Vikings looks like crazy. They run too high and they defend the slot really well.
22:36Those three things are like a perfect recipe for Luther Burden to not play well.
22:41Burden runs deeper routes. Caleb was 33rd last week in depth of target ahead of only Jack Strand.
22:46And it was a mess that game. And if you just look at week one, he was second on the team with 63 yards and five catches.
22:54So my entire point is like, don't overreact. I do think the Bears are, I actually think that Luther Burden and Colston
23:00Loveland, people are going to be pissed. Especially with Loveland.
23:03And I think you should try to go after them.
23:06Yeah, I think I was the most, uh, little bit cynical about this or not cynical, but like, I have a little
23:13bit of doubt in the back of my mind based on like the way that they're using him.
23:18But when you do look at, when you break it down by routes per team drop back, which is how many routes
23:24you running relative to the amount of times the team is throwing and dropping back to throw.
23:29And you're right, like Burden and Odunze are about the same.
23:33Um, and they're out there a good amount of time.
23:36And I think they're, he's just really not out there when they're running, which is totally fine.
23:41Um, and I think just this is, this is a perfect example of don't overreact to a small sample.
23:46I think the Colston Loveland stuff is probably, we're, we're going to look back on it.
23:51Like, wow, that was crazy. The first two weeks he didn't do anything.
23:55And then, you know, he became a big focal point in the offense.
23:59I think that probably will happen. It's more likely than not to happen.
24:02Um, but yeah, I think people, and also this is really helpful because people who have Loveland are probably freaking out right now.
24:09That's the best part of this is I think you can, you don't have to spend big to get Loveland.
24:15I would guess because people, one catch in three yards in two games, that's like droppable.
24:20If you're, this is a good point, TK. Like some people might just drop him for fucking Dalton Schultz or something.
24:26Exactly. How about that drop? If you could just offer like a regular run of the mill, a Mark Andrews, and then
24:32throw in like a running back or a wide receiver that might like help them, you could probably get Colston Loveland.
24:39Yeah. If you have Colston Loveland, you're probably 0-2 and freaking out.
24:42Yeah. And then you're like, I need a win.
24:45Like I can't go 0-3. I don't know. Case Keenan plays.
24:48You're not going to play Colston Loveland this week.
24:51So you're 0-2. You might not play Colston. Like if Caleb, but if you're 2-0 and you trade for Colston Loveland and
24:57in four weeks, Caleb Williams is back. Yeah. I think this is a really good call.
25:02Um, okay. Next up here. Number two. We're also, wait, we're saying Luther Burden's number two.
25:07I think Colston Loveland is an emphatic endorse because the people who have him aren't going to play him.
25:12Is Luther Burden an equally emphatic endorsement before we move on?
25:15It's not probably an equal because Colston Loveland is like an abject disaster.
25:19Yeah. Burden might be harder to give up, but I do.
25:23I, I, I feel, I still feel confident that much brighter days are ahead.
25:27Number two, then number one, a one B for Loveland and, uh, Luther Burden.
25:31Number two, buy low DK. You set Saquon Barkley running back for the Eagles.
25:35Yeah. So this one is a little hard to stomach.
25:38I know how frustrating it has been to watch the Eagles offense and he's already hurt.
25:43He had a stinger. We don't exactly know the implications for how long he'll be out yet.
25:48But if you look at the first round and basically all the high volume first round running backs, he is the only
25:54one that hasn't even remotely lived up to expectations or is basically been a failure based on where you got him.
26:00And I think I'll just put it this way.
26:03You're not buying confidence in the offense or confidence that the Eagles are going to be the best offense in the NFL or whatever.
26:10You're buying touches. He is going to get touches almost surely as long as he's on the field, he's going to get
26:16like 18 to 20 touches a game. And you can't really trade for that.
26:21Otherwise, like there are no other players right now that you could pay a relatively low price to get that are going to have 18 to 20 touches.
26:29Now, of course, it's not going to be totally cheap.
26:32But if I'm looking at like Omar and Hampton, Cam Scadaboo Plus, Devon H.
26:36And plus, I probably would be trying to make plus you mean plus a person.
26:40Plus, plus. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. It's not like a new streaming.
26:43Cam Scadaboo is a streaming service. They're in Cam Scadaboo Plus.
26:47Sorry, I meant like like packaging Omar and Hampton, Cam Scadaboo, one of these guys to go get Saquon.
26:52Because I think I think number one, Saquon still got his talent and explosiveness and elusiveness.
26:57Like if you look at all the underlying numbers, like he's breaking a lot of tackles.
27:02He's creating yards after the after contact elite level so far, even though it's a small sample.
27:07And so I don't I'm not worried he's like washed or anything like that.
27:11I think right now that the worry is and the reason people might be freaking out about Saquon is the Eagles offense
27:17is still trying to like get its footing. There are totally different looking offense than last year.
27:22They're playing 75 percent of their snaps are in like 11 personnel, which was more like 58 percent last year or something like that.
27:29And they just lost Goddard. So I think that's probably not going to change all that much.
27:34So I don't know. I think the Eagles are still trying to find their footing.
27:39And really what you're doing is you're trading for volume.
27:42And that is, I think, a really important variable here in fantasy.
27:45You cannot there's like very few running backs in the NFL.
27:49They're going to get 18 touches. I think that's fair and that's probably smart.
27:53And if the stinger is nothing and he's going to play, this is probably a smart call because I think Saquon Barkley looks fine.
28:00Like he had a 40 yard run in week one.
28:03I think he looks I don't think he's like washed by any means.
28:07It's just the Eagles offense. My fear is like you're just trading for David Montgomery, a guy who's going to get 18 carries for 48 yards every week.
28:15Right. But I think it's I'm upset because I have Saquon in my main high school week and I'm just like pissed about it.
28:22However, you're probably right. I think they get it.
28:24They have a get right game against the Bears defense this week.
28:28We'll see how that goes. And then, you know, going forward, it's not like a total gauntlet.
28:33They do play the Rams and Jags, which are tough.
28:36No, they have the Cowboys commanders giants. Depending on where you look, they have like the seventh or eighth easiest schedule rest of year for.
28:43Yeah. I think that's huge. Yeah. Hi, Vince. Do you agree with that?
28:47It's probably smart. He's thinking. It always depends whether the person regrets drafting the player.
28:52I know that's just I regret it. I'm telling you, I'm like, what I'm saying is maybe I'm just like that's the point of the exercise.
28:59It's like Craig's emotion right now is what's driving this to me is like, yeah, people might want to just get out.
29:06That's what that is what you're trying to identify is people who are like, I actually would love to sell low because I'm upset.
29:13Like you want the emotional decision Craig was just talking about.
29:16Like, like he never wanted Saquon and now he's stuck with him.
29:20And you're like, I'll fix this for you. And like, I think that's so if you find someone like that.
29:25Like, yeah, sure. Are you screw it? But all of these, I will say just just to remind you, all of these
29:32are a pretty big leap of faith. I think.
29:35Well, that's the thing. It's scary to draft for guys who are doing shitty.
29:39There is. And that's our trade for guys. Yeah.
29:41There are no players where you're like, yeah, no, they haven't been that bad, but you'll get a huge discount on them.
29:48The discount is because they're terrible or the team's really hard to watch.
29:52You know what I mean? Yeah. With that said, would you give up Brees Hall for Saquon?
29:57I don't think Brees because the, the, the jets have been good and he, Brees is so involved in the passing game.
30:03But the guys that I threw out like Hampton, I think I would like Hampton and another piece.
30:08I think I would do that because I'm terrified about the chargers like offense and their schedule.
30:13Wow. That's a guy like Scadaboo pick. I'm proud of you for saying that.
30:18Yeah. I don't think Brees, but I do think guys like Hampton Scadaboo H.
30:22I mean, people are trying to get away from a chance.
30:25So it's probably not going to happen. But, um, and then if, if you want to trade like a receiver, I don't know.
30:32I don't know how high you have to go.
30:34Like I would probably trade Devante Smith. I don't know if that's like not enough.
30:39Maybe you might have to throw in another piece with that.
30:42Um, but like look for a receiver that's had a really hot start to the season and maybe try and get Saquon out of that.
30:49I like it. DK's making calls here. I respect it.
30:52Fence sitter DK is like, fuck yeah. I'd trade Delmarion Hampton.
30:56You guys, you guys started asking me questions and I'm like, I guess I have to start answering stuff.
31:01Number three, buy low three minutes on the clock.
31:04I have Drake London receiver for the Falcons. And if you want to buy a free Kyle Pitts, tight end for the Falcons, who is maybe free.
31:12Not actually recommend. I'm not legally allowed to, uh, recommend Pitts.
31:15Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. The Penix is in.
31:18Drake London has 11 points in two weeks. He's already screaming at fans on the sideline that, uh, I'm going to fuck you up.
31:25And, uh, fans are demanding Jack Strand in two week, in week two.
31:29They're just being like, we demand Strand. We demand Strand.
31:32We demand to be taken seriously. The times are tough right now.
31:36The vibes are bad. And then the Falcons are going to go on Thursday night football.
31:40They're probably going to look terrible because Michael Penix is going to start.
31:44So it's kind of four quarterbacks in two, in three weeks, if you count to a not really playing, uh, having said that.
31:51I think Drake London was overdrafted in the beginning because we kind of knew the first month would be disaster for Atlanta.
31:57And now you could trade from way lower and just get the value for Drake London because Drake London was last season in 11 weeks.
32:05The first 11 weeks, Drake London was literally a top five receiver with the same amount of fantasy points through 11 weeks as Puka Nakua.
32:12Literally tied with Puka. And then here, Drake London hurt his knee.
32:16And then Michael Penix was hurt. And then it was Kirk Cousins.
32:19And the offense is different. So now that Michael Penix is back and his style of just throwing fucking balls, he just throws it up to Drake London.
32:27And that's Drake London's specialty, especially in the end zone.
32:30Drake London has a serious chance to just be a top five-ish receiver again.
32:34But right now the person who has them is looking at, uh, like 70 yards.
32:39And now the Falcons are going to embarrass themselves in prime time.
32:42And there's going to be this 10 day gap of being like, oh my God, Drake London was a terrible pick, but
32:49the Falcons will be practicing for those 10 days.
32:52So I actually think Drake London's a pretty good buy low.
32:55And then even if the person's like, no, I want to see the game.
32:59I think this game's going to go poorly too because there's Penix is no practice time.
33:04But then over the course of the rest of the season, I actually think every game Penix and London will play together.
33:10It'll be pretty good. The problem is, you know, can Penix stay healthy?
33:14But that's the point. It's just a huge discount because the Falcons are the worst team in the league right now.
33:20Is, is there a world in which Penix is a good quarterback?
33:24Are we, are we giving up on him already?
33:26Do you think, or you feel like, yeah, maybe he'll end up being really good.
33:31Like in real life? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, where are you on that?
33:35I guess is my question. I mean, it's funny because I think our draft analysis of Michael Penix and everyone's was pretty
33:41accurate, which is if he had no ACL tears, he would have, he deserved to be a top 10 pick probably top
33:4715, but he had two, which means his next one would be three.
33:51Yeah. And so how do we evaluate that? That's crazy.
33:54And that's honestly, it's exactly what happened, which is if he had had a normal timeline to develop, I actually think he could have been good.
34:02He is 26. He has started 12 games. Yep.
34:05And he's had three ACL tears. So unfortunately the cold rule of the jungle, like, no, I probably don't think he'll be a good NFL like long-term starter.
34:13He started nine games last season, had nine touchdowns, three picks.
34:16I will say the thing that really does make me like this call is that he, I think when he was playing
34:23London had the highest target rate in London was a top five receiver with Penix and before London kind of got banged
34:29up and everything went to shit in Atlanta, I think because you're getting a discount, I'll let this song finish.
34:35Bang. I think because you're getting the discount that Heifetz outlined, like people are just pissed and they want to get rid of them.
34:42It's worth taking the risk on Michael Penix staying healthy.
34:45That's the thing. And again, it could obviously go wrong, but I think that the Falcons are such a laughing stock.
34:51Whoever has Drake London is like, why did I take this player?
34:55And I think they're going to look bad in prime time this week, but that's going to be a result of practice.
35:01Yeah. But the thing is you don't have to flip whoever you took in the third round.
35:06It's not who you're sending away. I think that whoever's Drake London, it's probably going to panic.
35:11Would you trade Jalen Coker for London? That's a good example.
35:14I'm going to throw out like a name. Yeah.
35:17That's a good example. Yes. I think that's a perfect trade because on the surface, you're like, that's a terrible idea.
35:23Well, how long will it take Jalen, Drake London to get as many points as Coker?
35:28But if I told you two weeks ago that two weeks into the season, you could just flip Drake London for my
35:34Jalen Coker, you're like out of principle. Yes. And so I, yeah, that's a good example.
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36:05Craig, you pointed out to me, Drake London's two to one to score a touchdown in this game.
36:11Yeah. He has like the fifth or sixth best odds to score a touchdown.
36:15If you look at what he's done with Michael Penix, scores a lot of touchdowns.
36:19So two to one feels even, even if you don't believe in the Falcons, Penix and Drake London have a proven connection.
36:26Do you think that's because of the 64 games so far this season, the Falcons two games are both in the bottom four for EPA, like expected points.
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37:46Craig. Rasheed Rice. Receiver for the Chiefs. Who's been completely Ken-mogged by Ken Walker so far this season.
37:51He has. And it's a very good point. Because the argument for Rasheed Rice used to be that he was an extension of the run game.
37:59And the Chiefs couldn't run the ball with Kareem Hunt and whoever was there.
38:03Pacheco or whatever. And so Rasheed Rice became the guy that was getting these easy Debo Samuel touches over the middle.
38:09And now Rasheed Rice has six catches in two games.
38:12And what's troubling is that both of those games were Chiefs wins where they scored more than 30 points.
38:18And Rasheed Rice just had six catches. And was kind of just like any other guy on the team.
38:23I'm going to buy the fact that every time in the past that Rasheed Rice has been on the field, he's a top 10 wide receiver in fantasy.
38:32He has been. His last 17 games before this year with the Chiefs, he had 120 catches.
38:37And I'm not super impressed. Or I shouldn't say impressed because I am impressed with Travis Kelsey.
38:42But I don't feel great about any other non-Kenneth Walker option on the Chiefs long term.
38:46Travis Kelsey turns 37 in two weeks. Xavier Worthy hasn't hit 25 yards yet in a game.
38:51And everybody else is ancillary. So I'm like, Rasheed Rice has been incredibly mediocre and super disappointing.
38:56If you can trade, I wrote some names down.
38:59Like, I would trade Christian Watson for him. I would trade Mike Evans for him.
39:03I would trade A-Chan, Brees Hall, Kyron Williams. Like, I am much more willing to...
39:08Oh, those are some aggressive names. I like that.
39:10I'm much more willing to... Travis A-Chan or Devon A-Chan?
39:13Either. I'm much better. But, like, I'm willing to bet that the number one guy on the Chiefs who's been good every
39:20time he's been on the field for the last three years, even though they have Ken Walker, I'm still okay with it.
39:26Are you worried at all that Ken Walker is clearly the number one option at the goal line now, not Rasheed Rice?
39:33And that Rasheed Rice is kind of getting these, like, extension of run game throws that are now just runs?
39:39And then Kelsey also kind of looks better now?
39:41Not really. That's my fear. Rasheed Rice had a red zone touchdown in week one, and they schemed up Xavier Worthy for
39:48a touchdown inside the five-yard line on Sunday. Like, that just...
39:51And Rasheed Rice was open on that play. Yeah, but no one expected Xavier Worthy to catch a football.
39:57They were shocked. That's true. I'm willing to bet on it's okay that the Chiefs have a good run game now.
40:03I think Rasheed Rice is still a great option.
40:06I like this one a lot. I almost submitted this one for myself.
40:09I do think that there is a little... It's a little bit more of a stretch than the other guys that he's going to...
40:16That's why he's lower on this list. Yeah, like, re-inherit his previous volume.
40:20Because I do think Kenneth Walker is a huge factor here.
40:23He's basically taking away a lot of the, like Craig said, extension of the run game stuff.
40:28Kenneth Walker has a 23% target rate right now.
40:31I don't really think that's going to continue all year.
40:34That's the thing, is I think at some point, they're going to want to pull back off the throttle a little bit on Kenneth Walker.
40:41He's averaging 28 touches a game. And I don't know if they want to do that all year long.
40:47They've already talked about Emmitt Johnson getting more touches.
40:50I do think... And the other variable here is Rasheed Rice is still ramping up for an injury.
40:55So I think... I think these are a lot...
40:58There's a lot of factors. There's sort of a lot of variables in the air right now.
41:03But, like, I do think as the year goes on, they're going to ease off of Kenneth Walker a little bit and
41:09then start building more in for Rice as it goes along.
41:12Gannessy, dude. What a time. Would you rather have Drake London or Rasheed Rice?
41:16Rest of the season. Rasheed Rice. The difference is the Falcons suck and Michael Penix will probably get hurt.
41:22Patrick Mahomes or Michael Penix? Yeah. Penix will probably get hurt again and you'll be back to Jack Strand.
41:28That's the issue with Drake London, whereas Rasheed Rice is Patrick Mahomes.
41:31Yeah. Even if London has a higher ceiling, I'd still probably just take Rice.
41:35I think London's value has dropped more from two and a half weeks ago.
41:39But Rasheed Rice, people are... Yeah, people are still concerned.
41:42Okay. Next up, DK. You had George Pickens, receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.
41:46Yeah, I asked you guys about this guy the other day in terms of is he a shart?
41:52Like, we're kind of worried about the beginning of the season for George Pickens.
41:56You know, last year he averaged over 14 points per game and half PPR.
42:00This year he's averaged five and a half points per game.
42:03I don't know if you can expect or even hope for the ceiling that he had last year where CeeDee Lamb was
42:09hurt and he ended up getting just a ton of volume.
42:13But I still think he's got way more potential than what we've seen in the first two games.
42:18I think you're buying low. And people that have him are probably really worried that CeeDee Lamb looks fantastic through two games.
42:24And maybe, you know, the worry is it's just going to be the CeeDee Lamb show the rest of the season.
42:31But I do think if you look under the hood a little bit, Pickens, according to Fantasy Points, Pickens is expected fantasy
42:37points per game is 13.2 points per game and a half PPR.
42:41He's only averaging 5.7. So he's basically just missed out on a few big plays.
42:45He had a big drop in week one. He's drawn a couple of defensive pass interference penalties that could have been big plays for him.
42:52He's still getting a very solid target rate, over 20% and a very solid targets.
42:57First read target rate, again, I think it's like 21% according to Fantasy Points.
43:01So his numbers are still OK. Not last year levels, but still very good.
43:05And I think he's a really, really talented player.
43:08And this is a good passing offense with the Cowboys.
43:11I trust Dak to get in the football. It's basically just gone horrible from the first two weeks.
43:16And people that are panicking on him might want to get rid of him now.
43:20I really think he's a buy. Especially because he's George Pickens.
43:24And if he has three bad games in a row, and you're Dak Prescott, you fear that this guy's just going to check out.
43:31You got to feed him. Right. You got to feed George Pickens.
43:34You got to keep him happy. You don't want the body points to turn.
43:38Yeah. I mean, I think this is... I totally agree.
43:41I mean, Pickens will probably not be as good as he was last year.
43:45He'll be certainly better than he was now. I feel like this is one where you almost need him to play poorly
43:52one more time to actually get him off someone's team.
43:55I think same with Rishi Rice. These guys are good middle tier options here because they're both good players who are young and good offenses.
44:02And they've had underwhelming two games in a row.
44:05I totally agree. If it happens three times in a row, you have a better shot.
44:10Exactly. You need the three strikes. It's like Colston Loveland and Bird and the Saquon.
44:14It's like there's injuries and backup quarterbacks or Saquon has the stinger and isn't playing well.
44:19And now we're like, all right, these are just guys that didn't have good games for a couple weeks.
44:24So I almost think you can start the conversation now and the person's like, I'm not trading him.
44:30And then they play badly again. And you're like, and they're like, okay, maybe I'll trade this guy.
44:35Panic sets in fear. He's just like incredibly talented and in the red zone.
44:39Like the Cowboys have just an offense that you want to be a part of the whole season.
44:44Yeah. DK, would you flip Parker Washington for George Pickens?
44:47Would you be like Parker Washington? Hell no. Truthfully, I don't know if I would trade Parker Washington for anyone right now.
44:54Legitimately, there's probably like four wide receivers. It's like Amonrod, JSN, Jamar Chase, and Puka.
44:58I don't know if there's anyone else. I think Olave, I think my biggest fear, just this is super aside, but like
45:05my biggest fear this year is that Olave is going to be my biggest miss by far.
45:10Because I was, I was worried about the concussions thing, but man, Olave has been incredible.
45:14Would you trade Justin Jefferson? Would you accept Justin Jefferson for Parker Washington?
45:18No. I think I would. I think I would out of principle, and then it would not work out.
45:24And then it would. Like it would go poorly.
45:26I think Parker Washington, he has the second highest target rate so far.
45:30I'm like everything that we thought could happen is happening.
45:33I'm like, I'm not jumping off this. You would.
45:36What about you would trade Parker Washington away for CeeDee Lamb?
45:39Yeah. I think that's like the level you start to like.
45:42It's literally like five guys. Yeah. So we're really saying it's Jamar Chase, JSN, Amon Ra, and CeeDee Lamb.
45:48And then what? You're saying it's in. Alave. You would actually.
45:51If I offered you right now, Justin Jefferson for Parker Washington at a redraft league, you'd just be like, no, I'm good.
45:58Dude, it actually might be five guys. It legitimately might be Amon Ra, JSN, Jamar Chase, Puka, CeeDee Lamb, and then Parker Washington.
46:04Is that right? Alave. Yeah. I think Alave's in there too.
46:08Alave. I would think about. I don't know if I'm doing that automatically.
46:11Yeah. So does that mean he's a sell high?
46:14Probably. I'm like, and one of these. So it's like, does that mean you should.
46:19That's crazy, dude. He's like. I'm just saying like, it's one of those where it's like, should you just kind of sell the, sell the peak?
46:26Yeah. I'd probably take Alave. Alave's really good. But yeah, there's also obviously the elite running backs I would trade for to send Parker.
46:33So we're saying he's the 12th player right now.
46:36Something like that. That's kind of wild. That's wild.
46:39Well, I mean, that's something. It might not be rational, but that's how I feel.
46:43Yeah. That's a good way to put it because that's really what you're going on.
46:47It's how people feel. Speaking of which, my next bylo is I have Travis Achan running back for the Saints.
46:53Ooh, that's a good one. You also think people are panicking like it won't.
46:57And this is a crucial. I'm panicking on this.
47:00This is. So Travis Achan is like 17 carries for 70 yards in two games.
47:04He split work with Kendrick Miller in week one.
47:07He was outtouched 10 to 2 by Alvin Kamara in the first half.
47:11And this is a good example of a couple just principles that I'm going to rely on.
47:16Football principles. They paid Travis Achan the same amount of money as the Chiefs paid Ken Walker.
47:2112-ish, 14-ish million dollars per year. They're going to give Travis Achan the ball.
47:25He's on the field. And the Saints, you know, they're messing around with giving Kamara touches in certain places.
47:31If you look at the game, Travis Achan is so much more juiced than Alvin Kamara.
47:35It's not even funny. He's a good enough blocker to be on the field.
47:40And I will say this. The thing about getting a trade done is we always talk about this.
47:45The blurb test. Which is when you. No one has ever made a trade in fantasy football ever.
47:50Without clicking on the guy's name and reading what it says.
47:53And in the same way that, you know, maybe certain people in the world running the country.
47:58Maybe or whatever are. Influenced by the last thing that was said to them.
48:02Wow, we're getting blurred. The truth is you need the blurb to be negative or you won't really make the trade.
48:09The person won't deal the person if the blurb says it'll be okay.
48:13If the blurb's like, it's going to be bad.
48:15And Travis Achan, like the blurb is like, I don't know, man.
48:19He's losing all these touches. You have to search so high and wide to find anything positive about Achan right now.
48:25I don't know if there's anything written about him positive.
48:28Everyone's panicking. And if you Google Travis Achan, you're like, oh, what happens?
48:32Everyone's like, oh, this is bad. And like, it's going to change.
48:35And so again, I think you get Travis Achan for really cheap.
48:39He might have been someone's fourth pick. And he will be fine.
48:42Like he will not be in a first round running back, but he'll be good.
48:47I'm straight up panicking about Achan right now. This is a great one.
48:50I would be absolutely terrified. Heifetz, who do you think you could give away to get Travis Achan?
48:56I don't know. This is why it's two weeks.
48:58The truth is you need him to be on someone whose team is 0-2 because it's hard to get a running back.
49:05And this is where it's hard to do this because I know it's not helpful unless I say a name.
49:11But the truth is, I feel like no one ever wants to give away a running back for a receiver.
49:17Like if you're like, I'll give you a receiver for this running back.
49:21No one ever wants to do that. So you almost have to figure out something.
49:25Let's throw out some names. So like. How about this?
49:28Like if you want to do a little combo meal.
49:31R.J. Harvey and Debo Samuel. Like would you give those two away to get Achan?
49:35Yeah. Yeah, I would. I think so too. I would.
49:38I think. What about like Terry McLaurin and, you know, a running back like Tootin?
49:43Jalen Warren. Terry McLaurin. Terry McLaurin. That's actually a good example.
49:46I think the short answer is yes, because Terry, while I'm actually bullish that Terry when Jaden comes back, I don't think
49:52Terry McLaurin will have a ton of value with Marcus Mariota.
49:56What about, it does really hit. What about the explosion?
49:59Why did we get rid of it? What about this?
50:01The explosion at the end is insane. DK Metcalf.
50:04Why did we get rid of that drop? DK Metcalf and Quinshawn Judkins.
50:08Ooh. I think you could ask for someone else in that trade back with Travis Achan.
50:13I think if you're giving up Judkins and Metcalf, you're like, Judkins has been.
50:17I think you could do better than that. But I mean, I think, look, I don't think Travis Achan is going to
50:23be like, the Ken Walker situation is not on the table, but I think that he will, the Saints offense is good.
50:30Tyler Shuck is good. But I just. Would you send Jameson Williams straight up for Travis Achan?
50:35I actually, well, that's a good segue. I don't know if you knew this or not, but my next player is also Jameson Williams.
50:42Oh. There we go. So. I don't know what to make of this guy.
50:46Honestly. You know, I've always had something weird about Jameson Williams where I never believe it and I never draft him.
50:52And then he has big games and I just kind of let it happen.
50:56And for some reason, I'm never interested. So he's the biggest boom bust player in fantasy right now.
51:02I think Jameson Williams, he's the player who has like two point games and 30 point games, I think as much as
51:08anyone or two and 20 point games. That is really hard emotionally, but there's a very good mathematic argument that that's better
51:14for you to win games because a weird thing of fantasy is that a lot of the matches aren't that close.
51:21And that having eight points feels better than two, but it usually doesn't matter.
51:25You actually need guys to freaking explode to win.
51:27Explosion games. It's like, it's like the real life NFL where you get an explosive play on any given drive.
51:33You're going to win. Are you going to score points at a very high rate?
51:38A little bit of Ricky Bobby. Like to just look at the ringer league this week, there was one matchup and we'll talk about the league later.
51:46There's one matchup within 10 points and there were like three that were outside 40.
51:50Like that's actually in fantasy a lot more often than not.
51:53But Jameson Williams, he has six catches for 78 yards this season.
51:57And he should have had double that literally like he had a touchdown to like the one yard line.
52:02He had a big drop last week that should have been for 60 yards.
52:07The Lions, the defense sucks. They're going to give the ball a lot.
52:10Jameson, it's going to be a roller coaster. You will start him some weeks and hate him, but he is going to
52:17be a massive part of this offense. And I, I just, the, the, they're just going to be a huge part of
52:23the offense and they're going to have to throw a ton this season because the defense is worse and already banged up.
52:30And I just think they're going to be in constant shootouts like that bills game.
52:34It does feel like Jameson Williams leads the NFL in training camp reports about how he looks different this year.
52:40Yeah. Every, every August it's like Jameson Williams showed up to camp every August.
52:44He looks, he looks electric muscle put on weight.
52:47He understands the offense so much better. Or this is maybe it's the shorts, but like last two seasons, he's basically like
52:53a thousand yards and seven touchdowns each of the last two years, which is like, he's kind of like what I think
53:00people wanted Xavier worthy to be for the chiefs.
53:03And that just never happened. But, but when you catch Jameson Williams on the right game, it is electric.
53:08When he's like on a crosser 20 yards down the field and like rounding up the sideline, there are very few players more electric than him.
53:16Can we play a game right now? I don't know if this timer is going to run it or not, but I
53:22think what, what happens is Jameson Williams is really fast and people's brains break when a receiver is really fast.
53:28So fast. Can I play a game? I just want to know if by NFL standards, you think this receiver is really fast.
53:35Really fast. Okay. Jamar Chase. Yeah. Yeah. Puka Nakua.
53:38No, no. Jackson Smith and Jigba. No. Speed's not his game.
53:41Amon Ross St. Brown. No. CD Lamb. No. Not really.
53:44Justin Jefferson. You see where I'm going with this?
53:46Justin Jefferson. No. Coming out of the draft, it was not considered.
53:50He was a 4-4 guy. What is your point?
53:53Well, I'll keep going. Chris Olave. But your point is that you.
53:56He was fast. George Pickens. Speed is overrated. And I'm saying Jameson Williams to your point, but I think he's a buy
54:03low because he has like 11 points and people are probably mad about it.
54:07And he probably needs another bad week. You can get him.
54:10But my overall point is speed is just overrated in receivers.
54:13And it's more valuable for getting everyone else the ball.
54:16But you recommend him a fast guy. I am in this scenario.
54:20Yeah. But like fast receivers don't work out. Anyway, Jameson Williams.
54:23Take it. Take it. Let me throw out one variable.
54:26And this is something that we talked about in the offseason.
54:29It has to do with Jared Goff and the way that he plays in a dome versus outside.
54:34Okay. In starting on November 15th, the Lions play one game for the rest of the regular season.
54:40And that would be week 17 against Chicago, which whose defense sucks.
54:43Yeah. They play one game outside. I am glad that you brought that up because it's like, would you trade Jameson?
54:49Would you like give away Devonta Smith for Jameson Williams?
54:52Like, of course not. No, I wouldn't. And yet in the fantasy playoffs, like week 15, week 16, week 17, the Eagles
54:59and Devonta Smith are going to face like the Seahawks, then the Texans and like the Niners.
55:04I know they're going to be in Philadelphia in December.
55:07And then, yeah, the Lions are going to be in a dome.
55:10I think if I think in big tournaments where you have to be like the best team out of a thousand or
55:17whatever, worrying about that kind of schedule thing is useful.
55:20But in like a regular 12 team league, you probably getting just got to make the playoffs.
55:25Yeah, you're getting a little cute there. But yes, I do think that does.
55:29That is a big variable because I think golf is way better inside.
55:33He's certainly way better at home. And so that will there's potential for shootout games with those games.
55:38And I think that's where Jameson can show up.
55:41So I'm on the I'm like right in the middle on the fence about this one.
55:45I don't really know what I feel about James Williams.
55:48I'm probably not personally going out and trying to acquire him, but I can see that I can see the math in it.
55:55You have to give it another week, probably. And then the point is, after three bad weeks, people think about benching the player.
56:02And then once they're benching the player, then they're like, well, I might as well trade this fucking guy.
56:07So I think maybe Jameson's one of those guys.
56:10I don't disagree with you saying we disrespected Dan Dan enough.
56:13Oh, Craig, you had Quentin Johnson receiver for the Chargers as a bylaw.
56:17This is a real this is a real bylaw.
56:20Look, this this exercise is look this exercise is kind of basically us saying we're doubling down on our takes that haven't worked out after two weeks.
56:28And I will admit Quentin Johnston is a huge miss of mine.
56:31I know the two of you liked him as well as a show.
56:35We all endorse Quentin Johnson this year. So far this year, he has three catches for 24 yards and no touchdowns in two games.
56:42And a bad drop that people probably saw as well on a great Herbert throw.
56:47He's just a full on bench player at this point.
56:50I don't I can't imagine anyone is starting him in their league.
56:53He's now probably the fifth wide receiver on your roster.
56:56And I'm just like, look, he leads the team in targets and target share.
57:00And I know that Ladd McConkie's banged up, but that might also be the point.
57:05That is a plus. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like in like you could get.
57:09Could you trade Tony Pollard for Quentin Johnson? Probably.
57:11I mean, you could probably trade a defense. You could probably trade like a backup hand, like Tank Bigsby.
57:17You could probably trade for Quentin Johnson. Oh, for sure.
57:20I don't know if I'd give up Bigsby. I think that you could.
57:24I think you could trade a defense for Quentin Johnson.
57:27He's a throw in. You could trade a middling tight end.
57:30You could trade Mark Andrews. Like a running back not doing like a Jalen Warren, a guy who gets like nine points a game.
57:37You could. I don't think you would have to give him up.
57:40I think people are going to cut Quentin Johnson.
57:43Yeah. I think this is a great call, though.
57:46In some leagues, for sure, I could see that.
57:48No other principle than this. Everyone now agrees that the Chargers suck and the Chargers season's over.
57:53Everyone has unanimously declared the Chargers season over, which is when you're like, no, they're probably going to bounce back now because
58:00everyone just has given up and sold all their stock.
58:03And it's like, yeah, Quentin Johnson's like whatever, a notch above free.
58:06It's a good call. They're playing the Bills who, you know, Goff just went nuts, put up 30 on them.
58:12Stroud and the Texans played really well against the Bills in week one.
58:16I'm not saying the Chargers are going to be great in their back or whatever, but it's like he's free.
58:22It's Justin Herbert. It's Mikey Daniel. If you want to take another shot of settle down juice, maybe, just maybe this could work out.
58:29And again, he's like literally free. Any other bylaws from you guys?
58:33I think if you're looking for a quarterback, Dan, we went, oh, we're now getting ahead on Dan, Dan.
58:38Okay. Oh, did it, did it not play? No, it hasn't.
58:41Well, we'll kill it and we're saving time. We'll add time.
58:45Now we'll start three minutes again. Super respect. Super respect.
58:48Okay. Mega respecting it. I think we got to mention at least one quarterback with the amount of quarterback injuries and things
58:54and kind of weirdness that the quarterback situation has had.
58:57Drake may for the Patriots. I feel like people are probably panicking a little bit on this guy and forget.
59:03It's easy to forget. Yeah. It's easy to forget that he was the runner up for MVP last year and he was the QB too.
59:10And also the runner up in fantasy, I believe he was second.
59:14I think the, yeah, exactly. Second, second highest scoring quarterback.
59:17A lot of that had to do with him scrambling a bunch, which he's still doing and him having incredible efficiency and accuracy downfield, which is not happening.
59:25So I do think he was always due for a little bit of regression from what we saw last year.
59:31He was extremely, extremely efficient. And I, and that kind of thing is just not going to happen every single year for most quarterbacks.
59:38But that being said, he went up against two really tough defenses in the Seahawks and the Steelers.
59:43Um, you know, and I think he's, he's going to continue to improve as the year goes on.
59:49Their schedule is not necessarily a gauntlet. I know that they have a first place schedule, but it's not the hardest schedule in the world.
59:56Um, I think people are panicking as, as, as Craig said, and think he just sucks now or thinks he has the yips or something.
60:03Dude, I don't think that's the case. If you look at fantasy totals, just points per game at quarterback dead last Cooper
60:10rush third to two and a half points a game.
60:13Yeah. Second to dead last Aaron Rogers third to dead last.
60:16Drake may that is not going to continue all year.
60:19I do not believe that that will continue. I think he's going to, you don't think he's gonna be the third worst quarterback in the NFL.
60:27Yeah, you're right. I do not think that. Thanks.
60:29That's what I'm telling you right now. I think he's, I think he still has top 10 potential.
60:34All right, but let's talk Turkey who straight up.
60:37Like if you, if you're re-ranking the quarterbacks this year, where is Drake may starting now?
60:42Um, I still think he would be in my top 10.
60:45I let me, I would have to look at the list like, and really feel that out, but yeah, top 10 and,
60:52and I think like the, the idea that I had is, is trading Bryce young for Bryce for, for, for Drake may right now.
60:59Do you think some people might take that? Well, you'd have to add, you'd have to include something.
61:04Bryce may, Bryce young plus a receiver. What is with you and plus?
61:08I feel like I've never heard this from anybody.
61:10I like it. I like it. That sounds good to me.
61:14Oh, I don't know. I thought, I thought that was the thing.
61:17Maybe I read that up. I feel like I've known you for seven, seven years just on this show.
61:23And I feel like I've never heard you say that till today.
61:26You'd probably, well, you know, something good. Like, would you, if you had Bryce, if you had Drake may, would you trade
61:33him away for Bryce young and Jamison Williams? No, no.
61:36Bryce young and Garrett Wilson. I think you have to take, I think I would probably do that.
61:41Yeah. Do that. Okay. But I do, but I'm saying, I think you should go get him is, is what makes it kind of hard here.
61:49I still have a lot of confidence in Drake may from a fantasy point of view.
61:53Um, so you would, you would give up Bryce young and Garrett Wilson to acquire Drake may.
61:58I think that's too steep. I think you can, I think you could get him for less because I think people are panicking about how bad he's been.
62:07Okay. I think you could do Bryce young plus, uh, shit.
62:10I don't know. Throw it or throw it like, like a Roma dunze or something like that.
62:15But Jamison Williams is a no one's doing that.
62:18Yes. No, I would, I would give up Jamison Williams and Bryce.
62:21Sorry if I was confusing there. I would, I would trade Bryce and.
62:25Yeah, but I'm saying, would you give up Drake may for Jamison Williams and Bryce young?
62:30No, no. So who, who would you give up Drake may for?
62:33I'm telling you to trade for Drake may. I know, but you have to think about it from both ways.
62:39I'm saying offer, offer up Bryce young plus like a receiver, uh, you know, Devante, uh, not Devante Adams.
62:45Um, like a J like a Jalen Coker level receiver.
62:48So if you, but so if you have Bryce young, sorry, if you have Drake may, you would give him up for Bryce young and Coker.
62:55No, I don't understand why you're flipping it on me because I'm saying go, I'm going to do this.
63:01I know, but I'm saying the people that are willing to give up Drake may are panicking and which I'm not doing.
63:07So I think it's kind of like a weird way that you're flipping the question, but I understand what you're saying.
63:13I'm just like, he just got used to asking, being asked questions.
63:17You're like, you're like, give it, it's like you're confusing me.
63:20He just got used to questions. I don't understand your tactics.
63:23The whole point is when you make a trade in theory, if you want to make a trade that the other person sees as advantageous for them.
63:31I know, but I'm confident of Drake may and some people are not is what I do.
63:36Do you not understand what I'm saying? I do.
63:39It's just funny to hear you be like, I would not do that.
63:43I'm like, well, okay. I mean, look, DK does have to be unreasonable.
63:47I get what he's saying. I do get it.
63:49Cause you're like, you're, you're going after the people who are panicking and you're not.
63:54So I do get it. This is funny to hear you be like, no shot.
63:58I love that. You're like, yeah, all from Roma dudes.
64:01And they're like, would you take Roma dudes? You're like, no, the bears are on their third quarterback.
64:06Of course I wouldn't do that. I like Drake may.
64:09Some people might hate him at this point. Yeah.
64:12Okay. That was great. I want to mention a few other people that might be good.
64:17Let's that. Trades. All right. The truth is fleecing people is really worth it in fantasy.
64:21It doesn't happen as much as you'd like. Yeah.
64:24Well, it's, it's, I actually think the ability to make trades with people is more valuable over like a longterm with like
64:31in your league with people for 10 or 20 years.
64:34Like you want to do business with these people for a while.
64:37It's not a liquid market. You know what I mean?
64:40It's like, yeah. The anyway, I want to mention a few other people that I don't know if we have the ability
64:47to, or the, the, the, the conviction to be like, these are definitely good by lows, but people that you could get for way cheaper than they went.
64:55And I want to just throw out the charges, as Craig said, I do think that Justin Herbert, if like, like part
65:01of me is like Justin Herbert, I don't know if the charges are going to bounce back, but he's never been cheaper.
65:08Like I, in seven years, Justin Herbert's probably never been cheaper than he is right now.
65:12People would probably give him up too. Yeah. Like, oh yeah.
65:16They're going to, Justin Herbert's not going to be played this week in fantasy.
65:20They're going to bench him. You're like, what? Just, if you still like, just want to buy the dip.
65:25Devon Achan for the Dolphins, who the Dolphins suck.
65:28He hasn't been horrible in fantasy. He's like 10 ish points, but he's at 11 points per game, which is who he's been.
65:35They're giving him the ball a ton. That's another player that like, I think you could instantly acquire for like a lot
65:41less than they initially, you know, he's not like the 15th pick.
65:45Carnal Tate. I don't know if any players values drop more like that.
65:49Do you have wherever you took Carnal Tate? There's like zero chance he'd go there now.
65:53Yeah. I don't know if I believe in it though.
65:56That's the thing. That's why he's in this separate section.
65:59I don't know if I'm like. Educated guest. It's just a smart guest to pick the fourth overall pick in the draft.
66:06Who's a wide receiver rookie who usually rookies do better in the second half of the season.
66:11He's one of those where he'll probably continue to be bad for two more months and then you can get for free in week nine.
66:18We'll all write him off. And then Carnal Tate could be like incredible from Thanksgiving on.
66:23I just want to note that like he's the Titans look so bad.
66:27And the Washington, which Terry McLaurin, Stefan Diggs, Jen Daniels is hurt.
66:30If you think Jen Daniels would come back in a reasonable amount of time, I'm like, man, Terry should have had like
66:37three more touchdowns this season, maybe four over the first two weeks than he already did.
66:41I don't even think I'd play Terry McLaurin until Jen Daniels comes back because I think their connection is so important.
66:48But if Jen does come back this season, we'll see what happens with his elbow.
66:52I'm like, man, Terry could be solid. It's like a thin it's a hard way to live.
66:57But I think that once people see Marcus Mariota play the Seahawks, whoever is Terry McLaurin is going to fucking freak out.
67:03Yeah, the Seahawks have made everybody look terrible. So it's going to be pretty ugly this week.
67:08Our very own Austin Gales just texted us saying that he traded for Justin Herbert and Colston Loveland.
67:14Yeah, I think that's smart. It's like an experiment in value.
67:17It's like you have to be really dispassionate about it or whatever the word is.
67:21It is. It's very rational. Yes. Odds are that those are good trades.
67:25What did Austin give up? I'm sure he'll text us now.
67:28One sec, he said. One sec. He's like, I don't remember.
67:32He's like, I'm too busy grinding trades. Can we talk while we're here about Austin doing trades Catan style, Settlers of Catan,
67:38which is like in Settlers of Catan, you make trades in front of everybody for resources.
67:43Austin makes trades in the group chat in front of the entire league.
67:47Yeah, I kind of like that. It's like an orgy style.
67:50It's just everyone's watching. Yeah, I know that. He just negotiates publicly.
67:53I have a couple dynasty leagues where people will.
67:56Oh, he gave up Chase Brown, Pickens, Tucker Craft and Willis.
67:59Austin's awesome. Oh, that's a lot. Oh, it's a keeper league.
68:03He says, Kostin Loveland's a keeper in round 14 next year.
68:06That makes sense. That actually. Okay. Thank you for that context.
68:09What I was going to say was real quick with the Catan thing.
68:13I have a league where on Sleeper, you can like add a nickname for players.
68:17It's like a format that you can just add a nickname for your own players.
68:22And a lot of people in my leagues will just put a price.
68:262027 second. This is dynasty leagues. So like a 2027 second, 2027 third.
68:29It's like a yard sale. And I love it because it's like, oh, I kind of want that.
68:35I think that's fair. Or you can like try and get a little bit less than that or whatever.
68:40You don't prefer. So you like that better than the app you make us use for this freaking dynasty league we're in.
68:47That's like 30 years old. Looks like the Jurassic Park computer interface that no one can log into.
68:52If it's if you want to go ahead and transfer all the rosters, go ahead.
68:56That's what you can do. If you would let me do that to Sleeper, I would do it.
69:02Okay. Done. Really? I don't want to fucking do it.
69:05You're not going to follow through on this. I'm not the only commissioner, by the way.
69:09It's not my choice completely, but sure. So it's not done.
69:13Well, I will give into that. Yes, I'm fine with it.
69:16If you do the legwork, go for it. You know, this year in our high school league, we switched over from Yahoo.
69:22To Sleeper. And I don't like it as much.
69:25Yeah. I like Yahoo more. And we have no sponsorship attachments to any of this.
69:29This is completely me. I just think Sleeper is like too chaotic.
69:33It's too colorful. It's like everything's Gen Z. Yeah.
69:36Honestly, it's like maybe my old person in me is like coming out.
69:39But like, I just think Yahoo looks more legible.
69:42And Sleeper's like all over the place. And it doesn't look like my team page that I like.
69:47Sleeper, you know those bars that have multiple floors?
69:50Sleeper's like one of those bars. And like one of the floors is like very much my speed.
69:55And the other one, I'm like, I'm too old to be up here.
69:59Yeah. Like the roof is hopping. And I'm like, I can't.
70:02Like this is like a rave. And that's how I feel going through like some of the like other buttons when I hit him by accident.
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70:45Why wait? Okay. Ringer Fantasy Football League. It's going pretty well for Deacon.
70:49And I, we're in first place. We're both undefeated.
70:51And everyone else is one and one except Mallory and Bill who were in last place.
70:56That's right. We all won this week. I kind of had an elite comeback last night.
71:01Last night, Monday night. Who got you that? Devontae?
71:03I had Devontae. It was one of those. Ooh.
71:06Once a season, maybe once every two seasons, you get that night where everything goes weirdly right.
71:11And it's what keeps you coming back. It's like birdieing the 18th hole.
71:15And you're like. Yeah, exactly. It's like that. You hit one shot in golf and you're like, I have to practice.
71:21Totally. I was down 12 and I had Devontae and Sal had Malik Neighbors.
71:25And I'm like, man, Devontae's got to outscore Malik Neighbors by 12 points.
71:29I even joked with you guys, which I now feel bad about.
71:33I'm like, oh, maybe, maybe Malik Neighbors could tweak something.
71:35Maybe get a cramp. Nothing serious. Just enough to kind of knock him out for a little bit.
71:41That literally happened. Because in both you were like, Devontae can never do that.
71:45Devontae had like 25 points at halftime. I ended up beating Sal by like 15.
71:49And I'm now in love with fantasy football. I'm in love with Devontae Adams.
71:53He's back, baby. I feel fucking great. I'm in sixth place, so I can't get too excited.
71:58But Bill and Mal being 0-2 is kind of hilarious.
72:01I think it's funny that Heifetz said we're in first place.
72:05I'm in first place. He's in second place. I know.
72:08Just to be clear. Just to delineate a little bit.
72:11I've scored more points. So I'm in first place.
72:13A lot more points. Heifetz is in second. I mean, that's not how like the Ringer 107 works.
72:18We're all tied. And we just pick who's first or second.
72:22So it's up to me. Did they release the Ringer 107 update?
72:25We literally forgot to make a fifth pick. I tried to submit one before the game started.
72:30They said no. Because there's a deadline that we didn't hit.
72:33But still kind of a... We're not going to win that battle.
72:37We're just making all our picks on Friday now.
72:40Did we go 3-1 despite not having a fifth pick?
72:43We did. And once again, even though we did not make a pick, everyone in this competition is 5-5.
72:48Except Raheem's in last. And Sheila and Billy are in first.
72:51And yet, despite that, they're putting us last. It's literally...
72:54Everyone's at 5-5. And yet Bill, House, and Sal are above us in Tabundo.
72:59And then we're last. Even though we won. And then...
73:01So they're making it look like we're in sixth.
73:04When we're tied for second. Should we do four games every week?
73:08Just four games every week? And then we just save a game?
73:11Basically, we have to go 3-1 every week. Yeah.
73:14Fuck. That would be amazing. And that's like... We probably won't win.
73:17But think about everyone, if we beat anyone, helps that they'll be.
73:21I know. It was just sheer incompetence. But we still went 3-1.
73:24I will say, I'm a little disappointed in the Ringer Fantasy League group chat.
73:29Thought it'd be a little more fiery. I was trying to send some memes on Monday night.
73:34Talking about my resurrection because of Devonta Adams. I didn't give a fuck, Craig.
73:38My quarterback was freaking being... He would have been carted off if Caleb Williams hadn't ruined that.
73:43So he had to walk on his season-ending injury down the tunnel.
73:46And you want me to worry about Devonta Adams?
73:49Well, there's 10 other people in the league that aren't you.
73:52So yeah, I was hoping anybody could text me.
73:55Well, that's a good point. Yeah. I understand why you didn't.
73:58But there's a lot of other people. I just want some...
74:01I want some zest in there. You know what I mean?
74:04Yeah. Yeah. I'll try and help you, Craig. Okay.
74:07I don't know how far we're going to get.
74:10All right. I also want to say, Bill... I was going to say memes didn't work.
74:14Should I apologize to Bill? Because Bill said that...
74:17Well, Bill took Brandon Aubrey in the eighth round.
74:20And I should apologize to Bill because Brandon Aubrey was his second best player this week.
74:24And I beat Bill by 50. And if Bill had not had Brandon Aubrey, I would have beat Bill by 60.
74:31So that was probably a good pick. So the two guys who took kickers in the middle round are two of the
74:37bottom three scoring teams in the league. Yes. Okay.
74:40We'll see. It's a long season, you know? 17 games.
74:43It is indeed. 16, really. Should we do Fantasy Court?
74:46Let's do it. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.
74:50I don't really want to be handcuffed. Night to me is when it's dark.
74:54Yes. Night to me is when it's dark. I'm so happy that's there.
74:57Honestly, just play it again. I'm so happy that's why I'm there.
75:01Just play the fucking thing again. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.
75:06I don't really want to be handcuffed. Night to me is when it's dark.
75:10Damn, I kind of missed the definition of an object now.
75:13We got to have both. We got to put the object back and then get the night to me is when it's dark.
75:20We got to. That's pretty great. All right. This email is from Ben from Northern Virginia.
75:25Benny. Benny. All right. Fantasy Court is in session.
75:27Ben writes, breakfast today. Large glass of water. Two cups of coffee.
75:31An incrustable. And a zin. Okay. This guy is wired.
75:34Weird. Yeah. Wow. Ben writes, my friends from high school and I have been running a dynasty league since we graduated in 2019.
75:40One league member, Steven, was the first guy to realize the benefits of tanking and has turned a couple of terrible years
75:47and some very savvy trades into a team with Josh Allen, B.
75:50John Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, among others. As you can imagine, Steven won the league last year.
75:55But here's the twist. Steven just traded Jameer Gibbs for nothing.
75:58Come on. That is not an exaggeration. The trade literally reads as team A receives Jameer Gibbs.
76:03Steven receives blank. No picks. No nothing. Nothing. Literally nothing.
76:06It was just handed over. Okay. And Steven says it was not an accident.
76:10He said part of me wanted to see if people would veto an obviously bad trade and said that it was a test.
76:17Okay. So the league. Pick him off the tour.
76:20So the league has an uphold. Pick him off the tour, Doug.
76:23He's not breaking any rules. So Ben writes to the emailer, the plaintiff writes that we have this veto policy in the
76:30league where people can vote on whether the trade passes or not.
76:33And the trade did receive the necessary votes to pass.
76:36So they called his bluff. Yeah. Well, because why fucking wouldn't they?
76:40The guy won the league last year and he wants to get rid of one of his best players.
76:46I would accept it too. So Ben writes, here's the reason we voted yes.
76:50Steven is annoying as hell. Yeah. I can't. I'm gathering that already.
76:53I feel like if this guy's trying to pull off a gimmick for fun and there's a call a bluff and he
77:00won the league last year, why would I give a shit if he wants to give up Jameer Gibbs?
77:05Have at it. Exactly. So the commissioner who runs the league like an absolute dictator told the group.
77:11Yeah. Told the group that the trade would not be going through.
77:14Absolutely not be going through. Just because it had the votes, which I mean, it is a little dictator.
77:20Like, um, well, popular vote doesn't always mean you win the election.
77:23Uh, I like, he didn't even stop the count.
77:26He let the count happen. I was like, fuck that count.
77:29Oh, interesting. So the commissioner said, oh, sorry. So the commissioner and several other league members felt it was fair to strip
77:36Steven of some amount of draft capital for accepting the trade in the first place.
77:40No one soberly thought the trade should have gone through, but most league members were on board with Steven losing a second round pick as a punishment.
77:48Wait, Steven is getting Jameer Gibbs back, but losing a second round pick.
77:52That is what they want to do. And, uh, the plaintiff here, Ben writes for background.
77:56Steven essentially spammed every league member with terrible trade offers last year, sending deals like I'll give you Sam Donald in a
78:03second for Drake May in a dynasty league multiple times.
78:06That's some hype and shit. And that, that is, I feel like that type of dedication and aggression is probably why this
78:12guy's winning because one out of every 20 of those is accepted.
78:16And then he has a good team. Just wants it more.
78:19And so he says that Steven got so, it's like so bad with the text last off season that Steven was campaigning
78:26for tight end premium, which is like socialism for tight ends where they get like more points for a catch than other.
78:32All right. You don't need to edit. What is it?
78:35What is it? If not that, that's literally what it is.
78:38I liked that in premium for the record. It's a, uh, participation trophy, literally.
78:42Well, I guess figuratively. Sure. Either way. Apparently he wanted tight end premium so badly, uh, that I, I, this is the
78:49plaintiff said, I told him he could get my vote as long as he never offered me a trade ever again.
78:55Uh, anyway, so apparently this is the context. So the Jameer Gibbs trade was a counter offer sent by a fellow league
79:02member who was so annoyed at Steven's shitty trade offers that this person turned around and offered him, give me Jameer Gibbs and you get nothing.
79:09And Steven, the psycho that he is was like, I just want to, I just want to watch the world burn except.
79:16Yes. And that is what he did. He literally just, Steven was offered giving away Jameer Gibbs for nothing, accepted it, said it was not an accident.
79:24He did it on purpose and it was a test.
79:27And then the league voted on it and passed.
79:29I don't get, I can't, I can't tell you how much I dislike this Steven guy.
79:34I think they should absolutely, absolutely would just quit the league and start a new league with 11 or the 10 other people.
79:41And then DK will be your top. So Ben writes, my actual advice is to stop the league and start a new league with everyone but Steven.
79:49So, and you could even just transfer all the same rosters.
79:52Yeah. It's a sleeper. Ben writes, I land on the side.
79:55Steven should be punished. It's a fairly high buy-in league.
79:58We all take it pretty seriously. And if he wants to punish, he lost Jameer Gibbs.
80:03Well, so I, I agree. I don't see one reason why he can't do this trade.
80:08Like if he, let's be real. If this happened and he was like, oh, it was an accident.
80:13I hit the button by accident. We're like, obviously you didn't mean to do it.
80:17The fact that he's, Steven's admitting. I, yeah, I did that as a test.
80:21And then your test failed. You lost the test.
80:24I don't understand the test. What's the test? He accepted the trade.
80:28Fuck this guy. Actions have, like literally they're saying, well, it's a buy-in, high buy-in league.
80:32We all take it seriously. All right. Well then he shouldn't fucking do it.
80:36And if you guys think it's really important, you shouldn't have fucking voted for it.
80:41So no, I think this is your stupid rule.
80:43He should lose Jameer Gibbs. If Steven won this high buy-in league last year and won thousands of dollars or whatever it
80:50is, and he wants to give up Jameer Gibbs as like a, I'm bored.
80:54Fuck you test. Making a point. Let it happen.
80:57It's a bit. Let it happen. Yeah. I don't know why they're giving him back.
81:01But the guy that gets Jameer Gibbs gains a massive competitive advantage.
81:05But that guy made the request. Who cares? Like good for him.
81:08He stood up. I feel like, yeah, I feel like I'm okay.
81:12Letting that guy reap the rewards. What's nice about this to me is it doesn't set a precedent.
81:17It doesn't set a precedent because no one would do this.
81:20It's not like people are sending player A for no player offers ever.
81:24Can I throw out an idea? It's going to ruin the league in the future.
81:28This is a one-off. I have an idea. I have an idea here.
81:32And this is why we need a fantasy court because only a court can enforce this.
81:37I think everyone in this league probably is like, yeah, he shouldn't get, like Steven shouldn't get Jameer Gibbs back because he should have done that.
81:45That's why they want to punish him. You're saying he goes to waivers.
81:48Well, kind of. But basically, I think the issue with it is what Deke is saying, which is this guy just gets Jameer Gibbs.
81:56That messes the competitive balance. It's a dynasty league.
81:58You get him for his whole career. Here's what I think should happen.
82:02Jameer Gibbs should sit in fantasy escrow. He should sit.
82:05He should not be on anyone's team. Steven doesn't get him.
82:08Nobody gets him. So he's punished because he fucked around and found out.
82:12We're taking him off the board. He should not get Jameer Gibbs.
82:16Jameer Gibbs should be in fantasy escrow. Yeah, he could be on waivers, whatever.
82:20Steven can't play. I don't know the answer. But he sits there for all year.
82:24And then maybe there's something where everyone can make a, I don't know, next year they have to find a mechanism to put Jameer Gibbs up.
82:32Maybe he just goes on waivers and it's like, let the highest bidder win.
82:36And Steven can rebid all of his money to try to get him back.
82:40No, because if you bid anything last week, it's like everyone would just bid the same amount of money.
82:46So it's like, you'd have to, that would be unfair.
82:49I think. I think that you'd have to like have people basically make trade offers and then those like those picks on fire.
82:55I don't know. I don't know the right answer, but I do think you should sit out for the year.
83:01You could do like a blind, a blind bidding auctions situation for next year where like the person, the people can offer three firsts or whatever.
83:09And the highest bidding person wins or something like that.
83:12So this, this reminds me of the, that quarterback that almost came out of college and then ended up not even getting to go back to college.
83:20I'm blanking on his name. The game of the gambling issue.
83:23Yeah. Yeah. When dynasty leagues were trying to. Brendan Soresby.
83:26Yes. Yeah. People were trying to figure out like, what do we do with this fucking guy?
83:31The rookie drafts are already in the past. What does he just go on to waivers?
83:36And I think a lot of leagues I was in were just like, he's just not going to be in the player pool this year.
83:43Just wait. I think, yeah, maybe Gibbs is an escrow for this year.
83:47I like that. And Steven just loses Gibbs for an entire year.
83:50Yeah. Sure. He shouldn't get to this guy this year.
83:53No one gets Gibbs. I mean, yeah, I like that.
83:56I think that is the most fair. If I was the commissioner, I'd probably just kick Steven out.
84:02Just be like, this guy's fucking annoying. I don't want to be in a league with this guy.
84:07Well, now you're just revolting. Now you're just like, well.
84:10He won the league last year and he technically didn't break any rules.
84:14He was just in it. He was just kind of a cock.
84:17I love that DK's like, fuck this guy. I am.
84:20That's why you can't kick him out of the league.
84:23He just won whatever. That's why I'm taking my ball and starting a new league.
84:27Okay. This is a good window into all of our minds.
84:31I don't want to deal with this bullshit. Emails.
84:33Craig asked for emails about sharts because of the high rocks thing.
84:37Dangerous ask, Craig. Kind of like disastrous sharp moments.
84:40So I'm redacting everyone's name unless they said don't because I'm just like, you know, I don't know.
84:45Redacted. Our bone. Actually, you know what? No, sorry.
84:48I'm going to read this one from Max. Okay.
84:50Maxie. And Max starts with, you can use my name.
84:53I've told the story to everyone I know. Okay.
84:56He's proud of it. Max says, backstory. I've always had a bad digestive tract.
85:00Yeah. Come on. What's your email address? Rosmer. I always, Max says, I've always had a bad digestive tract.
85:05And it was normal for me to go four or five days without taking a shit.
85:10Okay. I can't imagine that, but okay. Continue. So Max says, things are better now.
85:15But back in my freshman year of college, probably the worst my digestive problems ever got because I was living in nothing but cafeteria burgers and pizza.
85:23And Max says, I realized at one point that I had not taken a shit for over two weeks.
85:28Wow. That can't be healthy. Max says, I told my friends this, that I had not shit in two weeks.
85:34And they immediately said, you have to go to a doctor.
85:37So Max says, I go to the doctor and she prescribes me prescription strength laxatives.
85:42And the doctor tells me, after I take the laxatives, you know what?
85:46Let's just clear out the day. Yeah. This is like a colonoscopy prep.
85:49Doctor is like clear your schedule. Yeah. So Max says, I go home.
85:53I take the laxatives after my last play of the class of the day in the afternoon.
85:58I'm waiting and I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Nothing. Go to bed.
86:01Wake up. Nothing happened. Well, next day I have an exam at one of my classes.
86:06Starting to feel a rumble in my stomach. I'm like, all right, well, maybe I can get through this test.
86:12It's just like the from the plot of fucking Van Wilder when the guy just takes a shit in a bucket in the middle of a test.
86:20Okay. Continue. Didn't have a bucket. So Max writes, I'm in class going through it.
86:24God. I asked the professor if I can use the bathroom.
86:28I really got to go. Professor says, if you leave the classroom, you have to turn on the test.
86:33You have to turn in the test. Max writes, so I sit back down.
86:37I continue taking my test and all the while I'm farting loud and other people are starting to notice, but I just keep going.
86:44And I'm like three quarters of the way through the test.
86:48And then it just hits me. Prescription strength laxatives.
86:50And again, he hadn't shit in two weeks. And he says, I'm trying to hold it in.
86:55And unfortunately, I begin to just straight shit myself.
86:58I regret having this as a prompt. Just straight shit.
87:01Craig asked. I'm into this. This is great. I'm just the messenger.
87:04So he says, he's just straight shitting himself during the test.
87:08Seems like uncontrollably shitting himself. And he says, I'm now wallowing in my own shit.
87:12Two weeks of shit. And he says, well, I'm already here.
87:15Might as well keep going. So he finishes the test.
87:18What? I, dude, I know. How long was that?
87:21I don't know. There's no way. Everybody, if he has two weeks of shit coming out of him, the smell, the sound,
87:27all of it would be impossible to ignore. Where's it going?
87:31Shame. Where is the shit going? Is it all over the floor around him?
87:35I need these details because this is, otherwise I'm like, bullshit.
87:38This is not true. I bet we could find our, I don't know how big our show is, but I feel like six degrees of separation.
87:46It's going to be like in a news, a news article somewhere.
87:49Someone can find someone else who was in this class.
87:52If Max commented this week, there's 25, maybe 50 other people in this college class.
87:57We could get one of those people to find this show, right?
88:00Someone knows someone. Did he like tuck his pants into his socks and like just, it's just all sitting in his pants.
88:07Well, the fuck are we talking about here? So Max says, I think, yeah.
88:11Did he have like waterproof pants? D pants? Did you guys ever see the Tim and Eric?
88:16Yes. Yes. So good. I'm just seeing her, right?
88:18The see-through pants. The D pants is like the most disgusting and hilarious fucking bit.
88:23Anyway, continue. Is that the end of it? That's it.
88:26No, he says he goes up to the professor to turn the test in at the end.
88:31No way. And the professor says that you can use the bathroom now.
88:35Thanks. And he says, I look at her and I say, I don't need to anymore.
88:39Jesus. And I just let it waft a bit in her direction.
88:43He says, which I know was a dick move, but I was 18.
88:47And he says, after two hours, I got a new set of pants.
88:50I dropped the class, never went back. I mean, you got to move cities at that point.
88:55You got to transfer. Leave the city altogether. No, you can bounce back from that.
89:00That's because it's so ridiculous. It becomes legendary. You become like an icon of the school.
89:05You know, he's more likely to be the president of his frat than he needs to translate.
89:10Oh, my God. So, OK, I have a lot of questions.
89:13I yeah. That's awesome, though. I'm having a very hard time believing.
89:16Also, like, so the teacher just said no. Right.
89:19When he asked if he could leave. He probably I will say, I think it's funny to me.
89:24Couldn't you just get up and leave, though? I love that Max did not have the wherewithal.
89:29I think he's going to fail the test because it was the beginning.
89:33I think Max not having the wherewithal to say, no, I have a doctor.
89:37Like, I have taken prescription strength rexatives. This is important.
89:40Like, it's a medical issue. This is my phone.
89:43I'm going to go to the bathroom for five minutes and I'll be right back.
89:47Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you just shut. Yeah. You know what?
89:50I'm sure there's a lot of legends do. And Max is a legend.
89:54What school is he at? Do we know that?
89:57Where did someone else go? I don't know. I was so confused about this.
90:01They would have just allowed this to happen. Two weeks of it.
90:05Like, do you know how much? That's probably like pounds of shit.
90:08Actually, though. Two weeks. What is all the other fucking people in the class doing?
90:13I love the dink is on the physics of it.
90:16Like, like physically, like space time. Where is it?
90:18All right. Okay. Ready for this? The average adult produces about 14 to 16 ounces of fecal matter every day.
90:24So over two weeks, we're talking about 12 to 14 pounds of weight.
90:28A literal bucket. There's no fucking way. So I don't.
90:31Someone, someone, please, if you were there or you know somebody.
90:34We need to find a friggin witness to this.
90:37Yeah. Shout out to Max. I don't like that.
90:39He put his name on it. Dumbfounded. Yeah. I like that.
90:43Once again, this guy's a legend. If he shit himself in front of his entire class and finished the test, of course, he doesn't care about his name.
90:51He'll tell us his name is Max like, like nothing.
90:54This guy's, this guy is a fucking hero. Please email us.
90:57If you know anyone who may have been in this class for the story, someone listening is like, oh my God, my
91:03friend told me that they were something like this.
91:06I know that. I'm sure we can. Two degrees of separation from the story.
91:10Please email us. If you have more short stories, it's gotta be like that level, Max level.
91:15Please email us. If you have, we want more weird job titles, weird jobs, weird job titles, things like the president of
91:22ice cream, president of ice cream, Matt Ryan, president of football.
91:25Send us those. And yeah, we'll still take short stories.
91:28Fantasy courts and trivia questions. We'll probably have a shit related one.
91:31Yeah. Shit. Wait. Yeah. I don't know. Some poop related one.
91:35You know, we'll have that for trivia. Thank you, DK.
91:38Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you to Kill.
91:41Thank you, Austin. Thank you for listening. Thank you to Max for putting your name on that.
91:46It's incredible. I hope he aced that test. Thank you, Lord.
91:49Lord. 80s month. Yeah. Rolls on. I'm on with one of the most 80 sounding songs ever made.
91:54I'm bouncing back off of Give Me All Your Lovin', which you guys didn't give me a whole lot of lovin' on.
92:01I'm going with Take On Me by AHA. Oh my God.
92:04Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. One of the hardest karaoke songs you could ever sing.
92:08The pitch you need to hit is really impossible.
92:11So, this song is as 80s as it gets.
92:13Let me tell you something about Take On Me.
92:16Okay. Okay. There was this video game called Saints Row.
92:19And Saints Row was for kids whose parents would not buy them Grand Theft Auto.
92:23The only time in the entire game that your character said anything was if you turned to a specific radio channel, your
92:30character would sing the entire song of Take On Me by AHA.
92:33It was the only song in the entire game that your character ever did anything.
92:38And I know every word of the song because of that game.
92:41This one is very 80s. It's so 80s. The synth sounds.
92:44Is that the one that goes? Yeah. It's great.
92:47It's really good. Norwegian band. I don't know anything about AHA.
92:50Same. Did not know they were Norwegian. They were formed in Oslo in 1982.
92:54Sure. Fun name. To be honest, I don't really know any of their other songs.
92:59I think they're one of the great one-hit wonders.
93:02Yeah. I'm not aware of any of their other songs as well.
93:05I mean, the first five seconds of the song, it sounds like I'm just like I'm watching Breakfast Club or something.
93:11It just feels like that. Totally. It's a perfect 80s song.
93:15It does feel like it's a song that the sound is what plays over opening credits of an 80s movie.
93:20I'm sure it has many times. Oh, great call, Craig.
93:23Yeah. Had to get it in there. I had to get it on.
93:27It's a great one. Their Wikipedia photo is from a concert in Madrid where they're playing a palace, Palazzo Vestale Grey.
93:33I don't know what that is, but I do wonder sometimes about these random bands who like you get to live quite the life for a few years.
93:42You know what I mean? Do a private stuff.
93:44Absolutely. Spop around the world. Life of a rock star.
93:47God, be sick. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Aha. Hope is here.
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