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2:25My name is Danny Heifetz. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck.
2:28And we're going over all the games from week three of Sunday of week three of the NFL season.
2:34And we're going to start with Rams-Broncos, the Sunday day football game that just concluded.
2:39I think the Rams were robbed. That was really weird because the Rams totally intercepted a pass at the end of the Broncos game-winning drive.
2:46And then they called a foul on the Rams defensive back who intercepted a pass, even though it was clearly, clearly a foul on the Broncos.
2:54And so on one hand, I think the Rams were robbed, like unambiguously.
2:58I would agree with that. The receiver, was it Pat Bryant?
3:01Who was it? Troy Franklin? Yeah, Pat Bryant. It was Pat Bryant.
3:05He was flopping. Incredible acting job. Yeah. He did a great job.
3:08It was successful. But that was a remarkable interception by the Rams.
3:12When you bring in Terry, and Terry's like, yeah, I don't know.
3:15I can see anything. I don't see anything that would indicate that was a foul by the defender.
3:21I don't, again, it bears repeating. We haven't talked about it yet in 2026.
3:25When they bring in the ref specialist, and he's like, my job is to clear things up and let you know what me as an expert thinks.
3:33And he's like, that was a pick. It's ridiculous that we can't change the call to what the specialist tells 25 million Americans is the correct call.
3:41And yet, it's not allowed. I don't get it.
3:44Terry McCulley should just be in charge of the process.
3:47Like, they should just let him make the decision.
3:49It would be clear to everybody. I will say this.
3:52I don't want to complain about this too much because the reality is, and DK, I'm curious what you think.
3:58This was a ball don't lie. Whether it's cosmic, I don't think it's intentional or a conspiracy, but this is ball don't
4:05lie for the 2018 NFC Championship game, which is the worst foul call in my lifetime in any sport, which is when
4:11the Saints committed the defensive pass interference that was not called.
4:15And literally, the Rams went to the Super Bowl instead of the Saints because of the worst call I've ever seen.
4:21That was Sean Payton versus Sean McVay and the Rams.
4:24And it was Bill Vinovich was the same ref.
4:27Now, it wasn't the same like lower level ref that made the mistake, but it was Bill Vinovich, Sean Payton, Sean McVay, everyone like same people.
4:34So I'm like, yeah, the Rams kind of went to a Super Bowl because of this.
4:39So who cares? But everything at the end of this game was weird, including the Broncos clock management at the goal line.
4:46Frankly, they were lucky. I don't know why they let the Rams even have so much clock at the end.
4:52Everything about it was weird. I almost feel like coaches are regressing.
4:55They mismanaged it. Yeah, I feel like we're moving now away from using probabilities and advanced analytics.
5:00It's like now people are like, you know what?
5:03I know cigarettes are bad. I'm just going to do it.
5:06Like, I don't know why you wouldn't try to burn clock there.
5:10The first play was a pass and there was like 45 seconds left.
5:14The Rams had a timeout. Like they ran multiple passes.
5:17Why would you not just run the ball into the middle of the line as many times as you can to burn timeouts and burn time?
5:25Don't understand. Sean Payton's a Bill Parcells guy. Bill Parcells was like the clock management guy.
5:29And then it became Bill Belichick. And then I think honestly became Vrabel.
5:33And it's like this lost art. The Broncos are one of the last teams I would expect to make that mistake of the first.
5:40They're first and one at first to go at the one.
5:44And they do the play action rollout. And I'm like, run the ball.
5:48And if you get stuff, that's good. Because then you have like take a timeout with 18 seconds left.
5:53Run it three more plays or two more plays.
5:56Get in or kick the field goal. But if you score a touchdown, the Rams can't get the ball back.
6:02Giving Stafford the ball 45 seconds was insane. We saw so much bad clock management this week in this season.
6:08And it does feel like the coaching version of like this skill that is going extinct.
6:13I don't understand it. It's like armchair clock management stuff that you're sitting at home and it feels obvious.
6:18And you're watching these NFL head coaches not do things that you think are very clear.
6:23DK, do you think we're losing recipes here? Oh my God.
6:26Okay. I mean, I don't know if this is like a larger meaning for the rest of the league, but it was
6:33an incredibly frustrating end to the game. I did think, I will say on a positive note, there was times during the
6:39game where I was like, man, these defenses are just trading blows.
6:43Like it was a really fun defensive game from both teams.
6:46I thought both teams had some big plays. Obviously, that Hufanga 66 yard pick six late in the game was really exciting.
6:53Then he had the other pick that sealed the game.
6:56Broncos 130 to 26. I should have said that.
6:59Right. And I don't know. It was just the defenses were playing really hard and I thought the Broncos comeback was really impressive.
7:05They were like, it felt like they were kind of out of it.
7:09They were down 16 to nothing and it just felt like they had no juice whatsoever.
7:14And they came back and tied the game up.
7:17Then it turned into kind of a back and forth game.
7:20The end of the game was just a clusterfuck from, you know, in from so many different angles.
7:25I thought the fact that Knicks didn't get in on that touchdown that they called back to.
7:31I was like, dude, you have to get in there.
7:34That is so ridiculous. Well, this is my soapbox.
7:36Craig's soapbox is that appealing to the TV ref who doesn't agree with the NFL refs is insane.
7:42My soapbox is that if you need to look at the same angle of replay more than three times, it's neither clear nor obvious.
7:49If you need the NBC people to stitch together to the millisecond, two different angles.
7:53And then I'm staring at it. It looks like an optical illusion of it's his foot touching the white or not.
7:59I can't tell if it's six inches above or grazing it.
8:03And I'm like staring at it and they're like, yep.
8:06Over. He didn't make the end zone. I'm like, he clear.
8:09Nothing about this is obvious. Terry McCallis comes in.
8:12Terry's like, well, we have these two angles. Now that you're watching the simultaneous angles, but it's the same game speed.
8:18So now you can clearly see that Bo Nix's foot.
8:21I'm like, you can't clearly see anything. Maybe I'm just an idiot.
8:25You have no fucking idea if his foot is touching the ground right now.
8:29I'm glad you said, you guys couldn't tell either, right?
8:32Like I kind of had no idea if it was three inches above or not.
8:36Not for the angle that they showed. I think they kind of guessed a little.
8:41I think it should have been a touchdown. It was so close.
8:44It should have just been a touchdown in my opinion.
8:47When it's within a millisecond, it's like the old technology will not save you.
8:51You're always going to have to make a judgment call.
8:54Common sense is like, yeah, stick with the touchdown.
8:57We're talking about a quarter of an inch in a millisecond here.
9:01Anyway, so I am glad that the Broncos probably deserved to win on that play.
9:05The foul not being called was insane. But also the Rams kind of screwed themselves too.
9:10I mean, Stafford threw a boneheaded pick six. You guys aren't baseball people, but Stafford reminds me so much of Max Scherzer.
9:17They show that stat of Stafford is the most pick sixes ever, 33.
9:20And that really kind of is maybe the reason they lost this game.
9:24And Max Scherzer is like the king of the solo shot.
9:28Max Scherzer is just one of the best pitchers of all time, but would always give up these solo home runs because he's challenging people.
9:35And it's like a similar energy to what Stafford has.
9:38It was pretty cold blooded though. When Stafford came back and went right down the field and led the drive.
9:44It was a really cool Stafford game until he did the pick six.
9:48I also want to shout out the Vontae Adams, Pat Sertan, old school, incredible, old head receiver versus number one cornerback alpha dog match all night.
9:56That was incredible. It was incredible. And I want to point out, we can, I would love to transition this into a Jalen Waddle conversation.
10:03We can talk about more of the game at large.
10:06Cause I do agree with DK that I thought this was a chess match of a game.
10:11I thought there was like big plays and turnovers.
10:14And it was because both these teams are talented and there's like, you're figuring each other out in real time.
10:20And I thought it was like an actual, it was a great, like full chess match where sometimes the offense would win.
10:26And sometimes the defensive would win for both teams.
10:29And that was really entertaining. But the Sertan and Devontae Adams thing was great because sometimes you think like, Oh, when the
10:36best corner in the league is on your receiver, you consider benching them in fantasy.
10:40But Devontae is so good. And you trust Stafford and McVay and Devontae to make it work.
10:45And it is cool to see even when you're, I mean, Sertan basically shadowed him.
10:50I think it was like one catch Devontae had was when he was zoned coverage without Sertan on him, but it was basically.
10:57And went for like 60 yards. Yes. But the rest of it was like Devontae had like six catches for 80 yards on Sertan.
11:04And it was like a mano-a-mano thing. But it was nice to see sometimes when that happens, you're like, well, we're just
11:10going to like, he's going to be a decoyal game because we don't want to throw at Sertan.
11:16But because Sean McVay is like, well, he's the best receiver on our team.
11:20We're going to throw it to him. We'll make it work.
11:23You'd think that if you have a good player like Jalen Waddell, you could also try to do that.
11:29And yet the Broncos just aren't interested in that.
11:31He had two catches today for 24 total yards.
11:34And it's just different philosophy. He had two catches for 10 yards and a carry for 14 yards.
11:40And it's just different. He did a two point conversion, which doesn't count as a catch.
11:44Right. Okay. Sure. Right. Actually, it's five points, not three.
11:47But it's just, I actually think it's fascinating how some offensive game plans are like, no matter what, we will tailor it
11:54to get our best players the ball. And other game plans are like, we're going to take what the defense gives us.
12:00And if that means not our best players, it's not our best players.
12:04I find it interesting. Yeah. It's who versus how.
12:07Like the Rams are going to get the ball to Devante and Puka.
12:11It's just a matter of how. And then the Broncos are going to get the ball to the open person.
12:17It just depends on who. Exactly. And the Broncos won the game.
12:20So I'm not going to, I'm not like criticizing, you know, Sean Payton wins a lot of games, but it is fascinating.
12:27It was an interesting game. Davis Webb. I mean, the first three quarters, the Broncos were out of it.
12:33It was 16 to nothing. This felt like it was going to be a blowout.
12:37It felt like the Broncos. It looked like the Rams were going to win this game 31 or nothing.
12:43And then all of a sudden the Broncos go down, they score.
12:46I mean, the Broncos ended up getting this. I mean, the two point conversion to the road and make it 16 to 16.
12:53I feel like you never see that happen. No.
12:56Yeah. And then there were so many things. Bo Nix at one point, I think had three passes batted down in like
13:03a five minute span in the fourth quarter. It was like a big snip snap game.
13:07Like Wallace, that cornerback on the Rams ended up giving up a huge touchdown or a huge completion to Sutton before he had a pick.
13:15Like there was just so much going on and back and forth.
13:18But there was a weird discrepancy at the end of the third quarter where the clock ran out and then Stafford screaming
13:25and they're like, there's no time left. And Torrico's like, actually, they're putting a second back on.
13:30And then Torrico's like, never mind. We're going to commercial.
13:33He came back and said that if the play clock and the game clock both show the same number at any point
13:40at the end of the quarter, you can't get a delay of game.
13:43That's a rule. I didn't know that was Venn diagram between the two added to the list of things.
13:49I didn't know was a literal rule. Yeah. This game very well could have been the Super Bowl.
13:54Last year, Denver versus the Rams. Do you guys feel like these teams are Super Bowl contenders this year?
14:00Both of them right now, based on how they look.
14:03I do. Yeah. Super Bowl contender in the sense that they could make the Super Bowl and I wouldn't be surprised.
14:09Yeah. But I think the Rams look a lot better than the Broncos, even though they lost, which I don't know how to explain that.
14:17I mean, Tyler Higby was a huge part of this game.
14:20I feel like it's tied in for the Rams because Terrence Ferguson got hurt pretty early on.
14:25Is it weird? Is that weird and contrarian? It'd be like the Rams look better to me, even though the Broncos won?
14:32To me, that's always the story with the Broncos.
14:34The Broncos never looked that good and then they win the game.
14:38Yeah. Honestly, they're kind of like the lame Knicks.
14:41It's like Bo Nicks in a nutshell. Oh, Bo Nicks.
14:44It should be the Bo Nier Knicks. You never KS.
14:47Yeah. Yeah. They play three shitty quarters and then they win the goddamn game.
14:51That's so good. And then we're talking about how Bo Nicks stinks during the game and then, oh, wait, actually he won.
14:57Oh, they won. They scored 30 points and they won.
15:00Yeah. But it's like that was the entire year last year.
15:04Did you see your guy on SNL? Yeah, I did.
15:07It was rough. He, look. It was bad. Brunson?
15:09No. It was. It's not his specialty. I watch every SNL.
15:13I think it was like the worst SNL I've seen in half a decade.
15:17And it's not Brunson's fault, but it was tough.
15:20I was surprised. They had a long time to write him a lot of jokes.
15:24And I was, honestly, it is amazing to me.
15:27The biggest cheer of the whole night was just showing OG and Anobi.
15:31Yes. The most popular person in the history of New York City.
15:34And there was a sketch where Jalen was like shooting balls in like trash or like paper balls into a trash can
15:41and he like made the last one and everybody cheered.
15:44But it was, it made you appreciate like when Peyton Manning is on SNL.
15:48The best joke of the entire SNL was Jalen Brunson saying that this will be like my title run where the first
15:54three quarters of the episode is going to suck and then the ending will be great.
15:59But that is basically the Denver Broncos. I like that.
16:02Bo, New York Knicks. The only other thing I want to say from this, unless you guys have anything, is that Mike
16:09Tirico noting that the Rams owner, Stan Kroenke, owns so many sports teams that it's sometimes he has five teams playing on the same day.
16:16Not only that, 311 days a year he has a team playing a game that he owns.
16:21I, that one really took me a bath. 311 days a year?
16:25311 days a year? That's, that's crazy. Uh, yeah.
16:28The only other thing I'd like to shout out in this game, there was a couple of things.
16:33One, Kyron Williams continues to be great every year and he's incredibly dependable.
16:37Printing money. Super good in the passing game. And also.
16:40Oh, I think the game winning touchdown was supposed to go to him.
16:44Stafford was looking for, I think, for Kyron at the end there.
16:47Yeah, yeah. And then, man, you know, we, we, we joke about how some receiving groups are quite bad.
16:53Miami, you know, the poor Niners, guys are dropping like flies.
16:56Dude, the Rams? Like when you, if Devonta Adams like has a cramp, it's good.
17:01It's like Kanata Mumpfield. Mumpfield. Who had 93 yards in a touchdown today.
17:05Sounds like a Roald Dahl made up disease. Kanata Mumpfield.
17:08He's just stuck in a giant peach. Yes. And like, that is literally it.
17:12I mean, it is really, really crazy out there.
17:15And they're depending when Devonta is 50 yards down the sideline.
17:18I'm like, dude, do not pull a hamstring. Like you're all they have.
17:22Well, it's like the Rams. They, they're starting lineup for Sunday football was just 13 person.
17:26It was three tight end lineup was their starting personnel for the Sunday football.
17:31And then Terrence Ferguson went down immediately. It's like, man, it's, it's Davis Allen.
17:35It's Tyler Higbee. It's Kanata Mumpfield. And it's 33 year old Devonta Adams.
17:39It's remarkable. They look as good as they do.
17:41They really are stars and scrubs team. So yeah, Rams are one and two.
17:46Yeah, it's weird. Okay. I like the bow New York Knicks.
17:49Okay. When I get to winners and losers elsewhere.
17:52This was a crazy overall day. I believe they did.
17:55Did they do football? Did Tariqa throw out at the end there that this was the most one score games in a single day in NFL history?
18:03He said there was 11, I believe. That is crazy.
18:06Especially when you consider the idea that they all could cut one score games.
18:10Generally speaking, could all be coin flips. Like, it's kind of funny to think 11 results in one day kind of could have flipped.
18:17There is one place we have to start though, Craig.
18:20Yeah, we're going to travel down to Brazil because my loser of the day is the Dallas Cowboys who lost to the Ravens 34 to 31 in Rio.
18:28They lost on a game losing field goal as time expired by Tyler Loop.
18:32Nance had a great call. A trio in Rio, which was great.
18:36He just improvised that. Still got it. He wrote that days ago.
18:40Yeah. I promise. Knowing that they were going to kick field goal to win?
18:44I don't know. I think there'd be field. It happens in football sometimes.
18:48I'm sure you have some things prepped and he thinks about it.
18:51You know, these guys are pros. You got to have your time.
18:55You think when Jim Nance is doing the Masters winning thing, he's just thinking of that in the moment?
19:01I think he just improvised. I do think some of the greats just have it.
19:05It just comes to you. Yeah. And maybe now he's so grizzled.
19:09Maybe he's like, it'll be fine. I'll figure it out on air.
19:12There's no chance. He just thought of trio in Rio.
19:15Maybe he did. It's not that hard. Come on.
19:18Trio in Rio rhyme. Come on. It's not like fucking Shakespeare over here.
19:22I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, look, this was a really entertaining game.
19:27This was a great game. Dallas was up early and then Baltimore came back and then Baltimore was up and then Dallas
19:33came back and then Nance and Watt on the broadcast were talking about how all the Ravens do is blow games and
19:40how this was going to happen again. Chargers East.
19:43Chargers East. And then Dallas, similar to Sean Payton.
19:45And it's like, I don't know what these coaches are fucking doing with the way that they manage the clock.
19:51Dallas was, it was, the game was, they were down three, correct?
19:55Now I'm getting myself confused. They were down three and they, it was second and goal from the eight yard line with 20 seconds left in the game.
20:03The Cowboys have the ball. They're down three. Dak runs the ball for three yards.
20:08They call a timeout. So now they're, it's third and goal from the five and there's 14 seconds left.
20:13And so they decide to throw the ball away over George Pickens head in the end zone.
20:18Now making it fourth down with, with 10 seconds left and they kick a field goal to tie the game.
20:24And now the Ravens get the ball back with seven seconds to go.
20:28And then Dallas decides to kick the ball through the, the kickoff through the end zone so that Baltimore just gets the
20:35ball without having to return the kick and burn time.
20:38They throw a deep shot to Zay Flowers, get the ball down, spike it, kick a field goal, lose the game.
20:44Like if they would, if they had forced them to just return the kick, the game probably would There's like 10 things
20:51you could say that like would have won Dallas the game because it's like, if your plan was to just throw the
20:57ball away over Pickens, why call the timeout? Why not wait until two seconds left and just kick the field goal?
21:04Like, cause Pickens was open by the way. That's the worst part is Dak said after the game that the coverage they
21:10play 99% of the time George Pickens is covered.
21:13The problem was on this 1% of the time, George Pickens was super open and Dak was an autopilot.
21:18The call was to throw it away. I think the call was to throw it away unless Pickens was open.
21:24Schottenheimer kind of said, he's like, I overcoached him.
21:27He's like, I overcoached him in the moment. Basically saying, look, if you're not a hundred percent certain, just chuck the ball out of bounds, which I think.
21:35Schottenheimer's taking the blame. Right. Because they were like, yeah, if it's not open, throw it away real quick.
21:41And I think Dak overindexed on that. There was 14 seconds left.
21:45And then like, I mean, it was amazing to see what Kirk Cousins did today from like getting what he was, how
21:51far he went down the field in like 12 seconds.
21:54And it reminds me of that 19 seconds when the Cowboys couldn't get the ball spiked in 19 seconds.
22:00And Dak had 14 seconds to work with. You can't take a sack.
22:04The game, you can't take a sack. So it's like you only have so long, but if you just fire that ball to Pickens, game's over, touchdown.
22:12Totally. Or again, kick the ball, make the Ravens guy return the ball and run.
22:16Well, that's the worst of all. Three or four seconds off the clock, game's over.
22:21They were in that situation because they had a false start at first and goal at the one, just like they're just
22:27at the two, like the Ravens did. But the kickoff return and again, so the Cowboys end up tying the game and
22:34they kick the Ravens the ball back with, I think was seven seconds.
22:38Yeah. I think that's the worst coaching decision of the entire year.
22:41And it will stay that way. And there are dumber things.
22:45Did you watch it? He fucking bombed it. It like went into the stands.
22:49They were like, Aubrey, fucking let loose. Have at it.
22:52I think that's the worst coaching decision of the year because you're basically deciding, because again, DK, as you always say, analytics,
22:58whatever, the entire endpoint goal of analytics is just, can you calculate what the other team doesn't want you to do?
23:05If you could take the entire temperature of like their deepest fears, what do they want you to do?
23:10All the Ravens wanted in that situation was a touchback because if you don't get a touchback, it's the only thing they need.
23:17You have to return the kick for a touchdown.
23:20There's like no other option. The odds they return it for a touchdown are like minuscule.
23:25The odds that they complete. The odds that they returned it for a touchdown are much less than completing a 25 yard
23:31pass and then getting to kick a field goal.
23:34Exactly. And that's the thing is the Ravens, it's wrong on every count.
23:38The touchback goes to the 35. The kickoff returns probably not going to get to the 35.
23:43So it's goes further and it doesn't cost you any time.
23:46So the Ravens, Jesse Minter, the coach of the Ravens said this after the game.
23:51If you give us the touchback, we only have to go 15 yards to kick a field goal.
23:56And the, you know who understands this better than anyone?
23:59Dallas, who has Brandon Aubrey, who's made a kick from the 50.
24:03So it's like doing that. You were like, it's, it, you just coach brain.
24:07There was so much coach brain today where you're like, well, the kickoff and like, what if they return and they have some weird kickoff?
24:14You know what the problem is? The Cowboys were bleeding players in the secondary.
24:18All their defensive backs in Dallas were hurt. And what did they do?
24:22They ended up having a miscommunication and they got the, the, the ball debatement and they got the timeout the second left.
24:29But literally if they just squib kicked, anyone in Madden would have understood immediately.
24:33Just do the kickoff. Don't let the offense come on the fucking field.
24:37I don't know how Brian Schottenheimer has been in the NFL his entire life since he was a child basically.
24:43And didn't understand in that situation. It's just, it's mind blowing.
24:46It's the first game in the Superbowl era where both teams kicked the field goal in the last 10 seconds of the fourth quarter.
24:53How about the Solek stat? Ben Solek had this.
24:56The Ravens game winning drive with seven seconds of the clock is the shortest game winning drive of all time.
25:02In the entire ESPN database, which goes to 1978.
25:05It's the shortest game winning drive ever. I'm not sure it could be shorter.
25:09Maybe six seconds. Like, I don't know what else you, if you could really get away with.
25:14That's about as fast as you could ever go.
25:17Maybe in theory, but at some point you can only go 30 yards so fast.
25:21Yes, this is if you think the Cowboys have had some of the worst losing games I've seen.
25:27I know the Ravens do this all the time.
25:29They lose games. But the 19 not able to take a spike in 19 seconds the same weekend.
25:35The Chiefs got the 13 seconds and beat the Bills like they had that again.
25:39The season any verse the Niners and Zeke Elliott was lined up at fucking center.
25:44I don't know. Schottenheimer's done a good job with Dallas, but Christian Parker, the defensive coordinator for Dallas.
25:49I don't know this. This one took a village because there were so many problems with this Dallas sequence.
25:55Again, players to Javante fumbled on fourth and one Jake Ferguson fumbled a shovel pass.
25:59There was a holding that negated a big George Pickens play that led to a Brandon Aubrey field goal.
26:05But that was then blocked. That's football. That happens in every game.
26:08You can decide whether you kick the kickoff inbounds or out of bounds that you have control over that.
26:14You can't control whether players fumble or not. The problem is not.
26:18The problem to me is that my brother and I, I feel like we knew this at eight years old.
26:24I'm not being mean. It's just true. There are plenty of eight-year-olds who know to just end the game here on the kickoff.
26:30The odds of the kickoff return are so much smaller than a 20-year completion.
26:35I don't understand how it happened. Can I ask a quick question?
26:38Okay. In the moment, it felt a little generous that they did give him that extra second.
26:43Did you guys feel that way? No. No. Yes, with the TV broadcast.
26:47When I saw Zay, was it Zay or Rashad Bateman?
26:50I forget. It was Bateman. Bateman. When Bateman went down, when he caught it and kind of like knee to the ground, there was like two seconds.
26:58And it went down to one. Oh, so I was like...
27:01It was Zayfla. I was wrong with Zayfla. Yeah, there was enough time.
27:05He went down and it was like two to one.
27:08I thought it was fair. It felt that way, DK, because there was this dramatic flare of the field goal line popping up as he hit the ground.
27:17That was crazy. And like... He was like right on it.
27:20You'd be like, oh, they didn't get it. But I'm like, you can't hear Lamar, Jesse, everyone's screaming for a timeout.
27:26You know what I mean? No, I know, I know.
27:29I'm just kind of shit-starring a little. But the line did just pop up.
27:33In basketball, if it's a close game and the opposing team is shooting free throws, if you're on the rebounding, like if
27:40you're on defense, you can tell the ref, hey, ref, on a miss, we're calling a timeout as soon as we get the rebound.
27:47And the ref's like, got it. And so you almost don't even have to do it.
27:52They're like, no. It's almost weird that you can't do the same in football where it's like, hey, ref, the second we
27:59catch the ball in our house, it will be a timeout.
28:02But the coaches do that all the time. It's the same.
28:05I don't know the basketball was 100%. No, no, look.
28:08Look when Lamar put the tee up. And it's like, yeah, but isn't it...
28:12Shouldn't it just be automatic? But to my understanding, when you're talking about basketball, is they're telling the ref so that when
28:19that happens, the ref looks at them. But you still have to call the timeout.
28:23It's not like some automatic thing. Yeah, no, sure.
28:26But like the ref is staring right at you.
28:29They do that in football at a time. Like when they do the clock down, the coaches, like let's say they're like
28:35bleeding the clock down to kick a field goal two seconds.
28:39They're telling the referee at the beginning, I'm going to call timeout with two seconds left.
28:43Yeah. And then they do it at two. Like they're telling referees that.
28:47But it's just funny that like, can't you just say timeout, timeout, timeout for six seconds?
28:52And so you're always saying it? Like, why do they have to check to me?
28:56Like, can't you just be doing this the whole play?
28:59Yeah. You know what I mean? It's kind of dumb.
29:02I just think it's funny because like how many times during games have you seen a coach like sprinting down the sideline trying to find a fucking ref?
29:11I know. Like it's quite literally when they say he was awarded a timeout.
29:15It should be a Jeopardy button that you can press.
29:18And then like, yeah. They were like really on top of that to get the timeout.
29:23The ref has to be like, where's a coach?
29:25We have to see the coach. It's so stupid.
29:28Bruce Arians always. Yeah, it's so true. Like some of these guys are walking around with like these things, like they got
29:35the World War II, like the D-Day like radios with them.
29:38And it's like, you'd think they could have the Jeopardy button.
29:41Yeah. I mean, this is a sport where if you want to challenge the replay where there's 40 state of the art
29:48cameras going to 100 million people, you have to throw a red sock.
29:52A beanbag, really? So anyway, yeah, the Cowboys, that was brutal.
29:55But I do want to I want to let you guys have anything else in that game.
30:00No, great game. I want to go positive. And I want to I want to say my winner of the week is the Las Vegas Raiders.
30:08The Raiders. Sorry. The 3-0 undefeated Las Vegas Raiders.
30:10Raiders. I was a bad Berman. Raiders beat the Saints 35 to 27.
30:14Raiders are 3-0, which is how many games the Raiders won all of last season.
30:19They've already won that many this season. And the only undefeated teams in the AFC are the Bills, the Chiefs and the Raiders.
30:26And I want to just say, as I was talking to Austin Gale earlier today, Tom Brady fixed the Raiders by hiring Clint Kubiak.
30:33He nailed this pick as head coach. And the Raiders look awesome.
30:36They look like a professional football team, which I haven't felt that way about the Raiders in a very long time.
30:43Been a minute. Kirk Cousins is playing professional quarterback and they're calling professional offensive calls and they have good players and they're smart and they're making right decisions.
30:51And they look like a competent football team. It's awesome.
30:54I think when the Raiders are good, the NFL is better.
30:57A hundred percent, Craig. And it's been so long since they were good.
31:01Yeah. The Raiders are awesome, dude. They're such a fun franchise.
31:05Yeah. I mean, I know I'm biased, but isn't basketball a little more fun that the Knicks are good?
31:10No. No. Well, fuck you guys. I had a great time.
31:13What are you talking about? No, I'm kidding. Yes, I totally agree.
31:17I usually tend to like when famous big market teams are good.
31:21The Raiders are just like, there's so many Raiders fans.
31:24And Kirk Cousins is the only quarterback this season of three passing touchdowns in each game.
31:28Dude, Cousins has nine touchdowns. He's first in the NFL in touchdown passes.
31:32He was born to play in the system. Like this whole McVay-Shanahan thing.
31:36Also, the wrong franchise Mendoza started. Like this is working.
31:39This experiment of like, we're going to bring in the established veteran to coach up the rookie.
31:44This is like going swimmingly. And because if the Raiders were 0-3 right now, it'd be like, when's Mendoza coming?
31:50And now he's going to, he might not have to play all year.
31:54Yeah. And you have Brock Bowers, the football robot from heaven is back.
31:58He's an absolute monster. Bowers looked amazing today. 10 catches, 116 yards and a touchdown.
32:0212 of Kirk Cousins' first 25 passes were for Brock Bowers.
32:0612 of his first 25, which is ridiculous. Solak had also this great stat.
32:10Brock Bowers has as many games. We should call this something.
32:13A deco, whatever. A 110-100, which is one touchdown, 10 catches, 100 yards, which we need to name.
32:19And Bowers has as many of those games. One touchdown, 10 catches, 100 yards over the last three years as every other
32:25tight end in the NFL combined in that span, even though Bowers was hurt for a lot of the period.
32:31Like he's unbelievable. And every big play was for him.
32:34And everything he did was such a high degree of difficulty.
32:37He's always effortlessly open. And the defense is a little weird, but they at least make massive plays when they need to.
32:44Yeah. The Raiders are like a havoc team on defense.
32:47They have their top 10 in pressures. They're, I think, fourth in sacks through three games.
32:52I do think it is worth noting. And sorry, Austin.
32:55They did beat the Dolphins and Chargers in weeks one and two.
32:58This seems like the most legit win that they've had.
33:01The Chargers are an absolute mess. And then the Dolphins are quite literally tanking.
33:05But overall, you have to feel great about what Kubiak has brought, the energy this team has.
33:11I mean, this was like legit the worst team in the NFL last year.
33:15Now they look really competent, as you guys noted.
33:17Bowers, bringing Bowers back and having him healthy, just a game changer for them.
33:22Like the way that they can kind of move him around the formation, you know, line him up out wide.
33:28He's basically, you know, like their number one receiver.
33:30Heifetz, you talked about this all offseason. He's not really a tight end.
33:34He's like their number one receiver. He's Travis Kelsey, basically.
33:37He's not exactly Kelsey's size. But I mean, he's a receiver at tight end.
33:41The thing I love about Kubiak, and this is something I talked about last year, the year before, is I just really like that.
33:48This is, again, part of the reason why I fucking am just so annoyed with the Broncos.
33:53Kubiak knows how to use his good players. Like, I've got this really, really fucking talented guy.
33:59I'm going to make him the focal point of the offense.
34:02Sure. It's a crazy idea. It just might work.
34:05You know why? You know why? I think the simplest answer is that Sean Payton's been coaching in the NFL more or
34:11less as long as Clint Kubiak's been alive. Like, Sean Payton's been a football coach for Clint Kubiak's entire life, like 40 years.
34:18And the Sean Payton thing, it's like trying to tell your parents to do anything.
34:22Like, you ever try to tell your dad to do something?
34:26Never. You're like, tell Sean Payton. Give it to your players.
34:29It's long enough. Yeah. It's just hard. Yeah, the Raiders.
34:32And again, this is a weird stat and probably dumb.
34:35I don't care. I just was like, whoa, Optus Sports said this.
34:39The only other team to ever get the number one pick and hire a new head coach in the same year and
34:45then start 3-0 was the Green Bay Packers with Vince Lombardi.
34:48Wow. Which caught my eye. But yeah, the Raiders.
34:51They named a trophy after that guy, didn't they?
34:54Did they? Tremendous looking trophy. Yeah. The Raiders played the Chiefs next week.
34:58We're also 3-0, which is really fun. Yeah. It's the biggest Raiders game in a minute.
35:02So shout out to the Raiders. Tika, who's your winner?
35:05Sure. I got to shout out the Jacksonville Jags for being big-time winners this week.
35:10Just demolished the Patriots. Like, it was an embarrassing game for the Patriots.
35:14The Jags now, through Cohen's first 20 regular season games, are 15-5.
35:17Incredible start for Cohen. I think he has been an absolute game-changer for that franchise.
35:22Obviously, this franchise has had some really rough goes with coaches, players, all that stuff going back years.
35:27Like, they were the embarrassment of the NFL at times.
35:30And they look to me like an absolute buzzsaw.
35:33Since the start of last year, the two players with the most total touchdowns are Josh Allen and Matt Stafford.
35:39Trevor Lawrence is directly behind them with 45 total touchdowns since the start of last season.
35:44Sorry, did I say Trevor Lawrence? Trevor Lawrence is.
35:46I think Lawrence's turnaround under Cohen has been really incredible.
35:49The way that he's transformed this offense. They just feel to me like...
35:53It's kind of like what we were talking about with the Raiders.
35:57This is a professional team now. They are very competent.
36:00And I trust them to be in the right place and do the right things.
36:04For the first time, it feels like forever. Except for Trevor Lawrence taking a knee at the one-yard line.
36:10That was like... I don't know if I've ever seen someone pull up and say, I'm not going to score when there's eight minutes.
36:17There's eight minutes left in the game. That's a guy who's not used to winning.
36:22I got to tell you. I don't know what to do.
36:25Did he think it was like a three? Did he not catch the other parts of the letter?
36:30Like, eight minutes left in the game. He's pulling up on the one.
36:34An intrusive thought I had during this game was as impressive as the Jaguars are.
36:39Trevor Lawrence thinking that he needed to not score there.
36:42I kind of think he'll never win a Super Bowl.
36:45Oh, that really? Okay. I couldn't... There's something about it where there are a handful of scenarios, but there are scenarios, plenty
36:51of them, where you would not score a touchdown and take a knee at the one.
36:56And fucking zero of them are with more than four minutes left in the game.
37:00And there were eight. And he's a quarterback who's in his sixth year, and I think it was weird that he didn't
37:07know how much time was in the game, and he admitted that afterward.
37:11However, I don't want to win his brain. It was weird, though, that he's like, oh, there's eight minutes left.
37:17I'm like, you're the quarterback. What do you mean there's eight minutes left?
37:21Of course, there's eight minutes left. Let him live.
37:23He's kind of a... Didn't we call him a blockhead last year, Trevor Lawrence?
37:28It's just a weird thing to not know. But they played great.
37:31They looked great. Parker Washington, amazing touchdown today. Every week now, Parker Washington does like two or three incredible things.
37:37They're running the ball better. Tootin, I actually think, looks kind of good.
37:41I was a little unimpressed with Tootin. I think he's getting better.
37:45Oh, I think Tootin's looked really good. Yeah, Tootin looked good.
37:48They're doing all this with Brian Thomas Jr. doing basically nothing.
37:51Travis Hunter had a pick. They're playing him more at corner, which I think is the correct move.
37:57And that paid off today. Did you guys see the weird thing with Josh Allen, Josh Hines Allen, the ball after the Travis Hunter pick?
38:04What happened there? Yeah, he wanted the ball that Travis Hunter caught, and then the ball guy from the NFL wouldn't give
38:11it to him, and then they had a weird thing.
38:14This man assaulted me. He's like, this man pushed me.
38:17You can't touch me. This man accosted me. Which, like, maybe that's the rule.
38:21You're, like, not allowed to go up. I'm sure that is the rule.
38:25Like, the official NFL ball holder guy, you can't, like, fuck with him.
38:28But it was a really funny interaction. He's like, don't touch it.
38:32You touched me. You can't do that. He's like, I just want the ball.
38:36He's like, no. It was in Jacksonville, too. Very weird.
38:39He's like, I just want to give the ball to my friend.
38:43He key intercepts me. He's like, you can't get away from me.
38:46This is on camera. Oh, my God. He, like, kind of Karen'd him.
38:50He, like, pulled out his phone. It was very Karen.
38:53You're being recorded right now. I'll sue you. He's on the cell phone calling the cops.
38:58He hit me. He wants the ball. You always kind of wondered who does call the numbers on the billboards for the personal injury lawyers.
39:05You know what I mean? Oh, I think a lot of people call those.
39:10Probably. All right. Well, you get on the phone.
39:12I always wondered, like, when are you actually getting Jacob himself on the phone?
39:17Like, I think he has, like, a team of, like, 500 lawyers or I don't know how many that are actually handling all these cases.
39:24Like, when does it rise to the top where Jacob's taking the case?
39:28Is it Jacob? Because I always think there's top dog law.
39:31Call Jacob is the one I'm thinking about. There's Tiger Lawyer.
39:34There's, what are they? Like, there's so many. Oh, in L.A., it's called Jacob, I feel like, is a big one.
39:41A Law Tigers. That's who I was thinking of.
39:43They're motorcycle lawyers. There's a Law Tigers. Isn't there a Jacoby and Myers law firm?
39:48Yeah. Yes. In Los Angeles. It's, like, so random.
39:51Email us about the random law firms. I'm sure someone here is thinking about these random injury lawyers.
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41:41The real loser of the day is Drake May.
41:44It's getting worrisome. I have to tell you, Craig, a couple weeks ago, you said that your intrusive thought was that Drake
41:51May looked like Carson Wentz and might just be Carson Wentz.
41:54Yeah. And that has gone from intrusive thought for me to something I just couldn't.
41:58Kind of worry about now. Once or twice a year, I get my hands on one player and I'm like, I just start to feel something.
42:06It was Bruce Hall two or three years ago.
42:09There's just, there's just something about Drake May that doesn't look right.
42:12And I don't, I don't, I don't think he's hurt.
42:15And I actually genuinely feel like he has the yips, like really deeply has the yips.
42:20Mentally, I think something is wrong and it's, it's metastasizing every week and it's getting worse and maybe he'll get through it,
42:27but he looks completely lost out there. They have zero flow.
42:30So the Jaguars beat the Patriots 35 to six.
42:33If we did not say that's 35 to six, the Patriot again, literally every single game in the NFL today was competitive in the fourth quarter.
42:40Even Chiefs dolphins was close at some point in the fourth quarter, except Patriots Jaguars, which was over so quickly.
42:46Read some of the Pat stats out there. There's some crazy stuff.
42:50All right. So the basics here, Drake May, two picks, two fumbles under 200 yards.
42:54Drake May leads the NFL in interceptions through three weeks.
42:57He already has six interceptions this season. Drake May had eight all over the last regular season.
43:03You know, they have Mike and when he was hurt.
43:06Then the Greg Van Root and replaced him as hurt too.
43:09Mike Vrabel self is saying my concern level for this team is very high.
43:13That's a quote from Mike Vrabel. But then there are stats that are even fucking worse, which is this.
43:19These that's just like the moose boosh. Drake May or this one's from Doug Clawson.
43:23The Patriots offense has scored 29 points and 30 drives this season, which is the fewest points per drive by any team
43:30through three games since the first three starts of Zach Wilson's career with the Jets in 2021.
43:35So the Patriots are where you want to be.
43:37Zach Wilson, rookie year 2021 points per drive pace.
43:40The other one that blew my mind was another one from Doug Clawson, who said that Drake May has nine fumbles and
43:4710 interceptions since the beginning of the playoffs. And Drake May is the first player with nine fumbles and 10 picks in
43:53a seven game span since Jameis Winston in 2019, which was the 30 for 30, 30 touchdown, 30 interception season.
43:59Oh my God. So in two weeks, we've gone from Craig saying Drake May is kind of like Carson Wentz sometimes to
44:06Drake May actually dragging the Patriots down to somewhere between rookie Zach Wilson and Jameis Winston, 30 touchdown, 30 pick season.
44:12I mean, Carson Wentz at least tore his ACL, you know, and he came back and had eight touchdowns in one pick in his first four games back.
44:20Drake May might be hurt. I will say this.
44:23Doug Kide, our guy, Doug Kide, did point out that Drake May might just be hurt.
44:28Like he might've just injured his shoulder in that Broncos AFC championship game.
44:32And he just kind of hasn't been the same.
44:35He's been hurt. You're saying, oh, okay. Like not, he's not hurt this year.
44:39You're saying it's the same injury from last year.
44:41Basically, he's still recovering and maybe something's wrong. Why is he not on the injury report then?
44:46Because they fucking lie. Interesting. Also, when's a shoulder healthy?
44:49From a certain, like when's a shoulder healthy? I don't know.
44:53Like, I don't know. And that's the thing. Is it mental?
44:56Is it physical? I don't know. But he, I mean, again, the plays Drake made today, zero, zero.
45:01There's a phantom fumble. The ball flies out of his hand.
45:05Dude, that play, Craig was talking about getting the ick.
45:08That's the type of play that will change your opinion on a man.
45:12There was blood on the ball for the record, which is just bizarre.
45:15It's funny because, so it was Jared Wilson in the center, apparently had blood on the ball.
45:20But it's funny to say that there's literally blood on Drake May's hands.
45:24There's literally blood on his hands. That's the excuse.
45:27By the way, did you see the college coach?
45:30Who was it? Yeah. The Minnesota coach? Did you see that?
45:33Did you see that? Blood on his face? No.
45:36The head coach of the Minnesota football team, they won.
45:39And he was like celebrating with his player. And the guy had blood on his mouth.
45:43And the coach grabbed the blood, wiped the blood off of his player's face and put it on his own face.
45:50Like a warrior. Yeah. PJ Fleck, he's fucking crazy.
45:52So fucking insane. That's the craziest shit I've ever seen.
45:55Honestly, I half expect Scadabo to do that before this season ends.
45:59Oh my God. And then he punched through the guy's chest, grabbed his heart, pulled it out, beating still in his hands.
46:06Kalima! He was like, God damn it. Dipped him into a pit of fire in a metal cage.
46:11And then he put it in a doggy bag, wrapped it up, and gave it back to the guy.
46:17So I'm in three leagues. That's from Dumb and Dumber.
46:20I'm in three fantasy leagues. I'm in a high school league.
46:23I'm in a college league. I'm in my beloved Ringer League with you two and Bill Simmons and the gang.
46:29In all those leagues, in all three leagues, I have either Drake May or Justin Herbert.
46:34I put all my marbles on those two guys.
46:36And I have to say, for all of those people out there who are in the same situation as me, who have
46:43Drake May, who took him early, he's putting money on him, even Justin Herbert.
46:47I don't know. What do you do? What do I do?
46:50It's funny you ask. Do I just start Jacoby Brissett?
46:53Am I picking up Daniel Jones off waivers? I was like, I will lose every single...
46:58You can't win when your quarterback scores four points a game, which is what Drake May is doing.
47:03Drake May is the second to last scoring quarterback in fantasy, only above Jameis Winston.
47:08Jameis Winston, bless his heart, is averaging four fantasy points a game.
47:12Drake May is above him at seven. Seven points a game is what Drake May is doing through three weeks.
47:18You can't win like that. There's nothing I can do.
47:21I could start fucking Rashad Bateman instead of him.
47:23Should I just do that? Do tell me. What do I do?
47:27I'm in a league with Jackie's family now. None of them have really played fantasy at all, except Jackie and her dad.
47:33And Jackie's mom last week cut Drake May. Just straight up cut him.
47:37So I added Drake May and I played him.
47:40Yeah. And then now I'm going to lose to her.
47:43I think you have four points today. Yeah. And I'm like, do I just cut Drake May too?
47:48You're not cutting him, but I don't know if you're starting him.
47:52But should we? You shouldn't cut him. But here's the thing.
47:55Should we? Why? Why do we keep ourselves in this prison of, well, you can't.
48:00We can do whatever the fuck we want. Should we just cut him, Craig?
48:04No, because the only thing worse than having Drake May on your bench or starting Drake May and losing with him is cutting him.
48:11And then he goes back to MVP form. And you're like, wow, I got the worst.
48:16I don't think the MVP form is coming back.
48:18I'll be totally honest. I think the schedule thing, I think it's a mix of a bunch of things.
48:24The schedule is way harder. Obviously, they played, the Patriots played a bunch of bad defenses and like, you know, you know, backup quarterbacks.
48:31And they just kind of rode the way, got the Super Bowl and they were well coached.
48:36But Drake May, for whatever it is, you know.
48:39Bill's been talking about Josh McDaniels and whatever you want to call it, arrogance, whatever with the offense and the way it's being designed.
48:46But I mean, again, even if you say fine, blood on the ball for the phantom fumble.
48:51I mean, he missed Pop Douglas for a wide open touchdown.
48:55They're at the goal line. Drake May rolls out and throws like one of the worst interceptions I've seen from him.
49:01Very Carson Wentz interception where he just throws it right to Travis Hunter in the goal line.
49:06It should be 14-10 touchdown. The guy wasn't even open.
49:09Like, I don't know what he's doing. But again, he's like Drake May is thinking too much and he's seeing too little.
49:15It's like he has no confidence. He has no rhythms.
49:18Feet are a mess. He just doesn't seem to.
49:21He's always pressing at the wrong times. He doesn't see open receivers.
49:25And then it's 21-3. Similarly, completely clean pocket. And he just good form, like just steps up, throws and just throws interception.
49:31Like he's going to Kyle Williams. It's like, where are you even going?
49:35This guy's completely covered. It's like he has no idea what's happening in front of him.
49:40DK, I want to ask you, because you're a level-headed person.
49:43You're a calm, rational individual. So the Patriots have played in Seattle.
49:47Then they play the Steelers. And then they play the Jags.
49:50Three good teams. Yeah. I would say Seattle and Pittsburgh are great defenses.
49:54Jacksonville, I don't know. Maybe not an average defense.
49:57But now, we talk about Drake May's schedule merchant last year.
50:00The next six games, seven games, here's the Patriots schedule.
50:03They're playing Buffalo, the Raiders, the Jets, the Bears, the Dolphins, the Packers, and then the Lions.
50:08That is an easy schedule in terms of pass defense.
50:11Points scored, all that stuff. Are we at the point?
50:14When the Bills, I mean, unless you're like Justin Herbert, you know, you should be able to score against the Bills.
50:20So I'm asking you, like, do you think it's over where, like, yeah, you're starting Jacoby Brissett.
50:25You're starting Daniel Jones. Like, you are starting the league average quarterback above Drake May now.
50:30I think, yeah, I don't know, man. Because I had him as a buy low coming into this week.
50:36And obviously, that looks like a terrible call. He could buy lower now.
50:40I want to say that I think he will not look like this all year.
50:44I'm starting to worry that calling him a buy low was a mistake for sure.
50:49Let me ask you this right now, straight up.
50:51Geno Smith for Drake May in fantasy. Do you do it?
50:55The next two weeks, I would play Geno Smith over Drake May for the next two weeks looking at the Jets schedule.
51:01Man. Drake May's broken. Like, he's broken. I'm sorry.
51:04Honestly, you could convince me that Sam Darnold exercised the seeing ghosts thing and how Drake May's seeing ghosts.
51:09DK, would you start Deshaun Watson or Drake May next week?
51:13This is where we are. The fact you had asked the question.
51:16Horrific. Speaks volumes. Deshaun Watson is averaging 18 points a game.
51:20Drake May's averaging 7. So much shit changes weekly in the NFL and wildly swings in one direction or the other.
51:26I do kind of feel like we're probably overreacting to this.
51:29But the whole thing, because Craig was talking about, you know, he just sees something.
51:34He gets like the ick about it. I saw this rant.
51:37There's like an account I follow on Instagram that's just like people who, why'd you get the ick about someone?
51:43And one of them was, I saw him stomp at a pigeon and the pigeon didn't flinch.
51:48And I was just like, for some reason, like Drake May throwing that bloody ball and it just flopping out of his
51:55hand to me was like that version of a nick where I'm like, God, I don't know if I can move past this moment now.
52:02Like, why did I call this guy a bi-lo?
52:05Drake May was like three months away from winning the MVP.
52:08I know, dude. That was like in 2026. That was this year.
52:12Several months ago. Things change. I think he'll be okay.
52:15I think he'll, I think he will bounce back.
52:17I don't, thank God he didn't win the MVP.
52:20Very strong. Because this would have, this is like unprecedented, right?
52:23Don't envy. Like, has an MVP ever done something like this right after the year after?
52:28I mean, when should be the example. Exceedingly rare.
52:31When was also going to win the, but he was going to.
52:34He was, he was, he was being talked about as an MVP candidate, like midway through the year.
52:40He didn't finish second. He didn't finish second in voting.
52:43I, yeah, I DK. Or maybe he did. I don't, I don't retract the Drake May.
52:47I, uh. Well, when Scott hurt. By low. He missed too many games.
52:51So that he like started to drop down. But I think it would have been like first or second.
52:57Craig. I just want to, I just want to keep track of the idea that every week we have these talks and
53:04then the next week something completely opposite happens. And it happens all the fucking time.
53:08And I just think he'll be fine ultimately. But it's.
53:11He's a young player. I think his mechanics are kind of fucked up right now.
53:15Craig, you mentioned it. He just looks like he has the yips.
53:19The way he throws is very elongated and weird.
53:22It's like he's regressing in mechanics too. So I think, but they have a lot of work to do.
53:27But I do think he's a talented enough player.
53:30He'll get right. He hasn't played well in a really long time.
53:34Yeah. But like, I'm just, I would say, I don't know if he's really played well since week 17 of last season.
53:40It's concerning. Yeah. My other winner, and I'm going to pair this with a we're so back, is, is, is the, it's
53:47the, they are the we're so back. It's so over team of the decade.
53:51And it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. And this week they are so back.
53:55I love, I love just watching Craig go on the rollercoaster ride all season.
53:59It's fucking hell. It's my favorite thing in the world.
54:02But it's great. It's great. Craig, literally last week, I want to state for the record, it's so over for Aaron Rodgers.
54:08This is like seven days ago. You could go back to last year.
54:12It was the same thing. Flip flop, snip snap.
54:15Every other week I was like, I'm sick of this Rodgers bullshit.
54:18It's over. And then I'm like, he looks great.
54:21Steelers are going to the Super Bowl. Yeah. We picked the Bengals in Ringer 107.
54:26The Steelers beat the Bengals 30 to 27 today.
54:28Aaron Rodgers had 300 yards, three touchdowns. He had, he had a pick that totally wasn't his fault.
54:34The offensive line looked great. Rodgers had tons of time in the pocket.
54:38They could run the ball. Jalen Warren looked electric.
54:40He looked like Kenneth Gainwell 2.0. They're making big plays.
54:43Even though DK Metcalf tried to ruin the game once again, they still managed to win.
54:48It was awesome. They're making plays on defense. They, they, they, the muffed punt, Ben Skoranek came flying in like a bat
54:55out of hell to recover the muffed punt. Derek Harmon, sack fumble, Joe Burrow to end the game.
55:00The Steelers are great. Rodgers are throwing deep. 85 completions, 20 yards tied for the most he's ever done with the Steelers.
55:07This new rookie right tackle looked good. They switched things up on the line.
55:11Everything was cooking. They brought, they could have put up more points.
55:14There's a lot of stuff left on the table.
55:17And yet they're playing the Browns on Thursday and they're going to lose.
55:21Can't wait for that. This was a real, like things don't ever change game.
55:25The Bengals defense was just totally back to earth.
55:28Just somehow just completely helpless before Aaron Rodgers. And then the Steelers also just have decided, they just never covered Jamar Chase.
55:34The Steelers have never once decided to cover Jamar Chase.
55:37I don't know if they know he exists. The Steelers have a, have a wide receiver one problem.
55:43The Steelers never cover the best receiver on the other team, which is a bold strategy.
55:47It's so bizarre. I, I, I, DK, we had the inverse, they're the inverse Broncos.
55:52It'd be cool if we had somebody to put on him, maybe like an all pro type corner, but.
55:58DK, as someone who like, at one point I felt like you actually had a strained relationship with your father because of
56:04how your father felt about DK Metcalf on the Sparks.
56:07Oh yeah. This was a classic, classic. So for, if you didn't see the game, late in the game, Jalen Warren had
56:14like a, I don't know, 85 yard run or something to get him to like the five, the yard line.
56:20And, and for no reason at all, it was, it's like the meme where it's like, no one, no one at all.
56:26DK Metcalf fucking strangling a guy for no reason.
56:29The guy didn't even want to make the tackle.
56:32Like he didn't even want to do anything. Um, yeah, I will say.
56:36And then he like scored a touchdown later. And then I was like, this is like classic DK Metcalf where it's like,
56:42he drives you absolutely insane and then scores a touchdown.
56:45He was wide open. I don't know what to feel about this.
56:49He was wide open on the touchdown and I was shocked he caught it.
56:53Yeah. But the, I will say the holding penalty on him was kind of bullshit.
56:57The ref was like 30 yards away and I, I was shocked they called it.
57:02However, he's grabbing shoulder pads on a cornerback that doesn't want to make a tackle.
57:06I don't know. He did this all the time with the Seahawks.
57:10Totally. But he drove people insane. The announcers, they brought in like one of them, Gene or somebody and everybody kind of
57:16agreed it was a really soft call, but I'm, but I'm not letting him get away with it.
57:22DK DK Metcalf. I'm not because this is the type of shit he does all the time.
57:27You know what I mean? He's a bitch. He's a bitch.
57:30He's a bitch. Wrong situation at the wrong time.
57:33Too many times. Yep. I, the, the, the Steelers get also the Bengals.
57:37They should be a little embarrassed that they lost this game.
57:40This is the stat that went around that Joe Burrow, when, when the Bengals are losing and are in the fourth quarter,
57:47what are they there under Zach Taylor? The coach, they're like one in 30.
57:51Um, it was like, it was like five and 60 or something like that.
57:55I don't know. I don't know. If the Bengals are losing in the fourth quarter, they basically never win.
58:01The weird thing is how like Burrow was like awesome.
58:04Other than that fumble. I mean, Burrow played a really good game.
58:07Yeah. Does anyone have a wider Delta in the perception of how clutch they are and how many times they've actually won
58:14a game while losing than Joe Burrow? Yeah. I love Joe Burrow, but like Joe Burrow, it has been years since he
58:20actually came back and won a game. Like it feels like it's been a very long time.
58:25When Rogers is kept clean, you guys got to admit.
58:28You have to admit he still looks. Craig, but you could say that about so many quarterbacks.
58:33If there's no pressure, this guy can make some throws.
58:36Yeah. So can every fucking quarterback. He has like a top seven arm in the league when he's kept clean.
58:42Yeah. And he insists on playing with this style that is like impossible to execute and then no one can execute it.
58:49And then he's like Michael Pittman. And then he's mouthing clearly mouthing.
58:53He's like, this motherfucker sucks ass. I told you he sucks ass.
58:56That was like wide receiver. But yeah. I don't know.
58:59But like, I just, he insists on this style that only like three of his friends can play.
59:05And then it's like, does it work? And then they bring in Mike McCarthy to appease him.
59:10And then it takes two weeks, one loss. And he's like, well, Mike's got to call less shitty plays.
59:15Basically. He's the cause of and solution to all of his problems.
59:19Um, I would like to say we can, we, we don't have to talk, get into the Aaron Rodgers thing.
59:25Darnell Washington is my favorite player in NFL history.
59:27He's so fun to watch. We should be all like, I will do anything to watch him and Scadaboo should just be on the same team.
59:35They need to give Darnell Washington 10 targets a game.
59:38And I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm being a hundred percent serious.
59:42You know, we were just talking about like how the Rams, even though Sertan was there, it's like they figure out, I
59:49think Devonta Adams had like 13 targets today. They should be doing that to Darnell Washington.
59:53The entire game plan should be, how do we get this horse the ball?
59:58Yeah, dude. You can't tackle him. He's a Clydesdale.
60:00I don't think I've ever seen an offensive player that is harder to tackle in my life.
60:05Genuinely. He's scary. Like he defies physics. Yeah. The Bills, is there a reason the Bills should do that?
60:11Every time he catches the ball. They laugh. Everyone laughs when he's running.
60:15Oh my God. It's so ridiculous. It actually is the only time where I'm like actually worried for the health of the defender trying to make the tackle.
60:23I know. He's a, he's a menace out there.
60:26He actually led the team in receiving today. Yeah.
60:29Three catches for 67 yards. Don't you guys feel like you're usually worried for the guy with the ball?
60:34You're like, oh, they're all trying to hit you.
60:37Yeah. And then Darnell has the ball. I'm worried.
60:40I'm like, that linebacker's going to get fucked up.
60:42He, he's really testing the limits of like, how big can you be while still being able to like move and run and be somewhat nimble?
60:50Like he's really pushing that limit. Yeah. He's like a thought experiment.
60:54He's now just an offensive lineman. It's pretty remarkable.
60:56God. Okay. Time for a problem of the day.
60:59Complimentary. Yeah. Who's a, who's a, who's a problem out there?
61:02You know, there's a problem. Jameer Gibbs is a problem.
61:05He's a fucking problem. He's a problem. No, he actually is a problem though.
61:10He is a problem. Wow. Every, everyone in like my drafts who always like spends, it's like you have the first pick
61:16or it's usually an auction when somebody spends like $65.
61:19I'm like, you can have them. And then the season starts and I'm like, that was, that was a fucking steal.
61:25Oh, he's going to score three touchdowns every game.
61:28Jameer Gibbs, 27 touches, 164 yards, three touchdowns. Hat trick, 38 points and a half PPR.
61:33He's the number one running back in the week.
61:36Jameer Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Kings of the hat trick.
61:38I mean, the Lions beat the Jets 31, 24.
61:41The Jets kind of blew it at the end, but Jameer Gibbs, all the touchdowns, you know, he had one just kind of standard at the goal line.
61:49He had a third and five screen or that he kind of ran in, but he had one that for like 20
61:56yards out where he just, the play was called one way.
61:59And then the Jets just destroyed the play and blew it up.
62:03And there were like three Jets in the backfield.
62:05And Jameer Gibbs just did the Reggie Bush, planted a foot, and then just outran everyone and just ran to the other
62:12side of the field and scored a touchdown like it was college football.
62:16Which you just don't do. His feet are so quick.
62:19The way he changes direction is so rare. It's him and him and Bijan are both.
62:24It's watching those guys. You feel like you're watching one of the all time best at the position.
62:29I do. It's crazy how quick he is. I mean, Gibbs is, you know, there's just, there's every week, there's some stat
62:36about how Jameer Gibbs is the youngest player to score this many touchdowns, multi-touchdown games, blah, blah, blah, every single week.
62:42But I do feel like between Gibbs and Bijan, and Bijan is a better all around running back because Gibbs is still
62:48kind of the liability and pass protection and Bijan's a great protector and also probably better in the open field.
62:54But I do feel watching Gibbs and Bijan, I feel the way I feel like people probably felt watching Barry Sanders or
63:01watching Walter Payton where I'm like, this guy, even though I've seen all these other running backs, is just on a different plane.
63:08Yeah. It's unbelievable. He, you know, Heivitz, you talk a lot about like, you need explosive weeks to win a week in fantasy.
63:15Like, you need players who can explode. Jameer Gibbs is not even just like your classic, like a James Cook where it's
63:21like, look at 18 points every week. James Cook will literally erupt.
63:25Like, he is one of those players where you know by the second quarter.
63:29Sorry, Gibbs is one of those players where like, you know, by like the second quarter, I was playing against him this week.
63:36He is single-handedly the reason I'm going to lose this week because I was just like, this is one of those games.
63:42Like, they're just going to keep giving the ball.
63:45They have no solution for him and he will get 40 points in fantasy.
63:49They have no one else on their team either.
63:52He's averaging 27 touches a game. I mean, they have like a couple of random guys, NPCs that they will give the
63:59ball to every once in a while. But, yeah, he's incredible.
64:02He's so incredible. I love watching him. He has by far the most receiving yards among all running backs through three weeks.
64:08156 yards. And he's good. He's really good in the pass game, obviously, too.
64:13So, just a special player. DK, who's your problem of the week?
64:16Problem! Dude, JSN, once again, fucking problem. We were just talking about Gibbs.
64:20JSN's averaging more points per game than Gibbs is.
64:23JSN is averaging 30 points a game. Josh Allen is averaging 31 points a game.
64:27JSN is like a cheat code in fantasy right now.
64:30He's ever, he's, I saw this stat. This is incredible.
64:33Two players ever have had 120 plus yards and are receiving, like one plus receiving touchdown through the first three games of the season.
64:40The two players are Jackson Smith and Jerry Rice.
64:43Like, I mean, what he's doing is insane. Obviously, he did this two games with Drew Locke.
64:48Now, Darnold's back and he did it again today.
64:51He's on pace for 2,300 yards and 34 touchdowns.
64:54Is that good? He leads the league and catches yards and touchdowns right now.
64:58He already has, if you stop the season now, he would have better receiving stats than anyone on the entire Jets team last year.
65:05Yeah, he has 405 yards receiving already. That's like what Garrett, that's more than what Garrett Wilson did all like in seven or eight games last year.
65:13And also many other Jets players who played all season.
65:16Like he has, he would have been the best Jets receiver statistically only in three games.
65:21I mean, he has 30 more points than Amon with St.
65:24Brown and Amon with St. Brown's the second best receiver in fantasy.
65:28The whole thing is incredible. I know the Seahawks lost, but I just had to give JSN props because.
65:33What happened with that? Crazy ass game. Why did you lose to Marcus Mariota in Washington?
65:38Dude, well, I went on Ben Standig's pod last week and he was like, he covers the commanders and he was like,
65:45what is the way that the Seahawks lose this game?
65:48And we immediately agreed. It's like the Seahawks make stupid turnovers.
65:51Like that's the way that they make. That's the way they lose this game.
65:55I also will say Marcus Mariota was throwing some fucking dimes.
65:58He was on fire. A couple of touchdowns that he made were really tough throws.
66:03He made a couple of really clutch throws late in the game.
66:06He made the game ceiling run on a keeper.
66:09Yeah, they just couldn't get. They couldn't get the Marcus Mariota offense off the field late in the game.
66:15The Seahawks had a chance to win this game.
66:17They like late in the third, early fourth. I was like, oh, Seahawks are going to end up winning it.
66:23It'll be an ugly win, but they'll win. And then the commanders just kept making plays.
66:28I was actually really impressed with Mariota in particular, but Terry McLaurin was incredible in this game.
66:33The commanders defense made enough plays to kind of put themselves in position.
66:37The Seahawks made a couple of huge errors. Darnold threw two picks and then Janarian Price fumbled.
66:42So three turnovers. It was just a it was like a perfect storm for the Seahawks losing what should have been an
66:49easy win for them against a team with a backup quarterback.
66:52Yeah, Mariota throwing a touchdown to Traylon Burks in 2026 over the Seattle Seahawks.
66:56Yeah. I didn't really see that. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, you have to say the Seahawks secondary is really banged up, has been all year.
67:04But this one, they lost Julian Love. He got hurt in practice this week.
67:08So they were especially then there. But that's not an excuse.
67:12They made some really terrible mistakes in this game.
67:14Yeah. They were out gained. Washington was out gained 437 to 258.
67:18They still won. But because the turnover battle was three to zero.
67:22Also, to me, I think the most worrying part with Seattle is they can't run the ball.
67:27Yeah. Like their leading rusher today was Jadarian Price with 15 yards.
67:30Yeah, he fumbled. He fumbled on either the first or the second drive and then they benched his ass until the second quarter.
67:37This whole plan is not made any sense to me either because the idea of we'll wait for Zach Charbonne to come
67:44back for like from the ACL tear he had in February.
67:47Yeah. And like he'll come back for Thanksgiving. It's just a strange plan.
67:51I don't really understand what they're doing at running back.
67:54I agree. But I agree. It was it was a really bad game.
67:58And also that last drive. They just needed to really stop.
68:01They had two chances. They needed Washington to not get two first downs and they couldn't like they give up a terrible
68:08Rashad White getting the first down on 39. They had him dead to rights.
68:12Yes. Yeah, that is brutal. And then the keeper of the call at the end to seal the game was perfect.
68:18But yeah, Mariano played great. He played really well.
68:21But yeah, it was that was that was they should not have lost that game.
68:25No. Craig, who's your problem? Brock Birdie's kind of a problem, dude.
68:29Yeah. Yeah. He's having an insane year. Brock today.
68:31He's like almost perfect. Brock today was the best quarterback in fantasy.
68:35300 yards, four touchdowns, no turnovers. He's the number two quarterback in fantasy on the season.
68:40Ten touchdowns, one turnover. He's also the only quarterback in the league who hasn't been sacked pretty much.
68:45Zero sacks. Zero sacks. He's just like I think he's I think it's Josh out in him right now for the MVP.
68:52He looks so in control. He looks so smart, accurate, athletic.
68:55He had a 40 yard touchdown run today. That was called back.
68:59That was like a really impressive. He just rips the ball to whoever's that.
69:03That was because that was a kiddo thing, too.
69:06And that was kind of a ticky tack. Yeah.
69:08But dude, it's like these Niners receivers are dropping like flies.
69:11Today, the Niners finished the game and the receivers were Debo Samuel, Jacob Cowling, Kaderil Hodge, and Jordan Watkins.
69:17Those were the receivers because Mike Evans went out with a chest injury.
69:21You know, Pearsall, Stripling, Christian Kirk, Demarcus Robinson, all these guys are out.
69:25Their most healthy players, George Kittle, who's 31 and coming off an Achilles.
69:29Coming off an Achilles. And it doesn't matter. Brock Purdy just keeps fucking ripping it.
69:33He is so good. The 49ers are down five receivers and seven defensive linemen in three weeks.
69:38And then Brock Purdy's basically made the Niners offense as good as any team in the NFL.
69:43I agree. The MVP is Josh Allen and Brock Purdy through three weeks.
69:47And I don't think it's actually particularly close between them and everybody else.
69:51Purdy has been incredible. The same reason that I felt that he was not the MVP a couple of years ago because of all the talent around him.
70:00It is unbelievable the level of play he has maintained for this team amid all these injuries.
70:05I mean, it's tough for the nerds. I wish Justin Herbert could ever play as well as Brock Purdy's last three games.
70:11I know. Craig, I think you said it. The way he's under control at all times, I think is really what stands
70:18out to me through three weeks is there's never been a moment where he looks phased whatsoever.
70:23Even when your pressure is coming, like the fact he hasn't been sacked is crazy.
70:27He just finds a way to kind of get out of a play or extend the play, get out of the pocket, run.
70:34You know, I've been calling him a sneaky little shit.
70:37That touchdown run that he had, he was absolutely sneaky little shit.
70:41They got called back. Probably should have just been a touchdown.
70:44But he turned around and threw a touchdown pass to Kittle, I think, on two plays later or something like that.
70:50Yeah. And it's like this is the story of the 49ers.
70:54They just they keep losing guys and they just keep going.
70:57It doesn't seem to like affect them. It's crazy.
71:00It's crazy. It's crazy. They're out of spots on their IR.
71:03Craig was right about this on the season. Craig was right where he was like, nothing matters.
71:08The injuries, Cal Shannon, car crash, none of it matters.
71:11Brock Purdy is great. And it's Craig didn't even go far enough.
71:14This is like the best season Brock Purdy has had to begin a year.
71:19Like, Sheil Kapati had this stat, our colleague Sheil.
71:21The best performance by any player EPA per play this season or EPA per drop back is Brock Purdy this week.
71:28And the second best one's Brock Purdy last week.
71:30He's just so efficient. Four touchdowns, almost 300 yards.
71:33There's so many stats with Purdy right now. And just in every situation, it's second half.
71:38It's third and long. It's explosive passes. It's under pressure.
71:41It's everything. But the thing about it that's crazy is the thing you just said, DK.
71:46The Niners, even by 49ers standards, the injuries are out of control.
71:49And this is a team that at this point, I actually feel like has had five different seasons just wiped out due
71:56to injuries since in the last 10 years. And even by their standards, the Nick Bosa has a calf injury and needs
72:02to go in injured reserve, but they can't put him in injured reserve because you can only activate so many people to return from IR.
72:10And they're like running out of spaces. And then they lose Mike Evans and Trent Williams in this game.
72:15And they're two weeks into two and a half.
72:18They were less than three full games into the season.
72:21And they were like, we can't even put our most expensive defender on IR because we wouldn't be able to bring him back.
72:28It's insane. And look, you can point out that their schedule, they played the sleep deprived Rams and then they played Miami and Arizona.
72:35So it hasn't maybe been the toughest situation. And they're playing Denver and Seattle the next two weeks.
72:40And they're very depleted. So maybe things will feel very differently in San Francisco two weeks from now.
72:46Well, without Trent Williams, without Jacob. Yeah. Without, I mean, they're going to be down a lot of people.
72:52But right now, Brock is playing as good as anybody.
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73:30Why wait? DK, any other people a problem? You guys, the Vikings defense is an absolute problem.
73:35Yeah, Flores. Flores is making life absolute hell for opposing quarterbacks so far this year.
73:40They're scoring a ton of points in fantasy. That's the reason I bring it up.
73:44They're averaging 14 points per game. They've had 17 points in each of the last two games.
73:49They're winning people weeks just by having the Vikings defense.
73:5214 points per game is twice as many as Drake May scores every week.
73:56That's crazy. So, in ranks, I didn't check this after Sunday Night Football, so just bear with me.
74:02But in the NFL, the Vikings are first in sacks, first in quarterback hits, first in blitz rate.
74:0767% blitz rate, which is unheard of. The next closest team is 45%.
74:11They're truly out here playing Madden. They are just blitzing.
74:14They're sending it on every snap. It's actually insane.
74:17Their first in EPA per play on defense, first in success rate on defense, second in points per game allowed.
74:23Brian Flores played Madden as a kid. You can tell.
74:26He's a second in points. They're just so, so good.
74:29And this is one of those things where in fantasy, we're going to have to start paying attention to who's playing the
74:35Vikings every week and downgrading them significantly. The Vikings, I mean, it's just they make life so difficult.
74:40And it just seems like opposing quarterback can't really figure out what to do against these guys.
74:46The best way to explain the Vikings is, you know, you can't see the rain when the game's going on.
74:52Like even Rams Broncos, you couldn't really see it was raining, right?
74:55Whenever the Vikings are playing, I'm kind of like, it's raining, right?
74:59Something's weird. Why are they like? I'm watching this Baker.
75:02Baker sucks. And I'm like, God, it must be pouring.
75:05I'm like, nope. 80 and sunny. By the way, the Vikings beat the Bucs 23 to 16.
75:10Made Baker a living hell. Baker versus Kyler. It was kind of disgusting.
75:14Horrible get. Nasty. The Vikings on offense. We don't need to talk about the Vikings offense.
75:18Well, I mean, the Vikings got hurt and it seems a little concerning.
75:22Like, yeah, that didn't seem great. Kyler throws every ball off his back foot.
75:26The entire game plan was like, I'm just going to chuck it to Jordan Addison.
75:31Hope he catches it. They have they don't look good at all.
75:35Yeah. It was funny seeing Kyler and Baker Mayfield play each other.
75:38Obviously, both went to Oklahoma. Heisman number one pick.
75:41And both are short and both now are in the waning era of their athleticism where they can't just run around and make shit up like they could.
75:49So it just looks really sad when they play a team with a better like with an advantage in the line of scrimmage.
75:56Because my God, Kyler and Baker. It's almost like they need to play to break and they need to create shit.
76:02But they just don't have that anymore. It was really ugly.
76:06And something about them playing each other. It was very eye opening about how desperate both their styles are.
76:11And it's cool when it works. But holy shit, it doesn't work all the time now.
76:16Literally, it's unsuccessful. The success rate in this game was one of the lowest combined success rates in years.
76:22And Flores is just absolutely sending it. He's like the defensive coordinator version of Happy Gilmore where he's like, what if I
76:28just wind up and hit the golf ball? I could hit it even farther.
76:32He's like, I'll just blitz seven guys every single play.
76:35He's like the vibe that you get watching a movie like Uncut Gems is like how he is just at all times.
76:42This is how I win. It's like, this is how I get all my money back.
76:47I'm just going to send eight players today. Or whatever.
76:50Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. What I have is the way you said that the way that you framed it is I thought was perfect.
76:57The way that Baker looks on every drop back.
77:00It's just it looks like a desperation fourth and 10 with the game online.
77:04But it's like every snap. It feels like the way that he plays.
77:08Every play is hard. Yeah. Is it so over for me?
77:11This is my it's so over transition. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
77:14It's so over with them right now. They're 0-3.
77:17Baker dislocated his thumb on his right hand, his throwing hand on the last play of the game or last play offensive play of the game.
77:25Now they have Jalen Daniels, who is an undrafted rookie free agent out of Kansas as their starting quarterback.
77:30Which like what? What's going on there? The backup quarterback is an undrafted kid?
77:35He won the competition. He was the first undrafted free agent to just win a backup job for week one outright in a really long time.
77:42Don't feel good about that. And if only someone could have known that Baker would get hurt.
77:47I wish we had talked about it because, you know, it's one of those like it's weird to talk with the undrafted
77:54free agent rookie winning a backup job. But even when it happened, people were like that.
77:59That is really weird. Yeah. And I wonder if they're going to maybe sign a veteran.
78:04They have to. Yeah. And it's one of those where it's like you feel so.
78:08Well, here's I guess the way I'd say it is this is the shit that happens when Todd Bowles and a coach
78:15know that they are in a short, short, short term situation.
78:18And when you have any semblance of even a medium term future, you would never be like, yeah, plan B is fucking
78:24someone who didn't get drafted this year is insane.
78:27But Todd Bowles is just like living a quarter mile at a time because he's going to get fired if they don't make the playoffs.
78:35There is no long term plan like a long term plan should be what the Bears have, which is you have Tyson
78:41Bajan, who is a guy who knows your offense that is athletic and mobile can move and is not perfect, but it works really hard.
78:49Everyone respects him. And the third quarterbacks case Keenum, who's a goddamn coach who's getting paid to be like a player.
78:55He's mentoring the box having this situation is just just downstream of everyone knows the deal, which is like it's going to
79:01be house cleaning if it goes wrong. I don't know.
79:04This was sad. I think it's tough because last year, I know I for me, at least I chalked up a lot
79:11of Baker's problems to just injuries on the offensive line and injuries that he was fighting through.
79:16But this year ostensibly is like relatively healthy, at least until today.
79:20And he just plays again. He plays every play feels like a desperation fourth and 10.
79:24He has he has the highest pressure to sack rate in the NFL.
79:28Well, let's say Baker's injuries are like Burroughs injuries.
79:31They're a function of how he plays, which I don't be like, it's his fault, but it's a choice.
79:37You got to make the decision to take those hits.
79:40You got to give it to the Bucs for not having an offensive coordinator.
79:44They're not that bad. You know what I mean?
79:47Like for the fact that they don't have plays called.
79:50It's they're not that bad. Like they don't. It's just like pointing to his hand.
79:54Yeah. They don't they don't call plays. I don't know if you guys know that.
79:58It's like the John Mulaney joke, like L.A. Pretty good city for no mayor.
80:03Right. Like that's the Bucs. Not a bad team for no play caller.
80:07It's pretty. It's pretty. You know, it's hard. He just forgot.
80:10He has no idea what his receivers are going to do.
80:13That's hard. They forgot to bring one in again.
80:16That's why they have an undrafted backup. Like, you know what I mean?
80:20The coordinator would have thought of that. Yeah. They have no coordinator.
80:23So you got to give it to him. Can I give you an intrusive thought of the Bucs while we're here, too?
80:30Sure. Did you guys see Baker writhing in pain while he like before you knew it was wrong?
80:35You could hear him screaming. You saw him screaming, right?
80:38Yeah. Thumb. Heifetz. Come on. I'm just saying this is not how I feel out of it.
80:43It's not a take. I'm sure it hurt. My intrusive thought, my unwanted ideation.
80:47He's a bitch. It's a finger. When he was holding the thumb, my unwanted ideation was that was if my fingers hurt.
80:54People are going to make fun of the Caleb thing that that was worse.
80:58I don't feel that way. But my first thought was, huh.
81:01Didn't think. I thought he had broken his clavicle.
81:04Like, I thought he had broken bones. I'm just saying, I'm a bitch.
81:08That's fine. I just thought it was like, considering how much Caleb became a meme all week, I'm like, well, that was pretty similar, if not worse.
81:16I mean, it's a fun take, but because it's Baker is where I push back.
81:21He is like top five toughest quarterbacks in the league.
81:24So if he tells me he's in pain, I believe it.
81:27It's not a take. It was an intrusive thought.
81:30My first thought was he grabbed his thumb. I was like, stop.
81:33What? Wait, he just hurt his finger? Okay. Dude, I got a paper cut on my thumb three days ago, and I can't live my life.
81:41I can't do anything. Legitimately, like my entire life got 20% harder.
81:44I can't do anything. I reached into a travel bag once and accidentally sliced my finger on my razor and hit it
81:51like five little tiny slices, and I think it set me back like a month at my job.
81:56Yeah. Like, I don't know how people... Thumbs, it turns out, really important.
82:00Like, half the reason human beings are the apex predator on the planet.
82:04That was the best part of that Jalen Brunson SNL was they played the video of Josh Hart shoving his thumb up
82:11Jalen Brunson's ass on the day as for winning the title.
82:14Yeah. So anyway, it's over for the Bucs, but I just want to say for literally not having a play caller, they're doing okay.
82:21They don't call plays. Yeah. Another team who does have a play caller.
82:25It is so unbelievably over for the Chargers. It's been over.
82:28I don't know if it's ever been more over.
82:31I hate this team. It quite literally has never been more over than it is right this minute.
82:36I hate them. I don't want anything to do with them.
82:40I hate this professional football team. I hate having Justin Herbert.
82:43I hate having O'Meary and Hampton. It's awful. It's an awful experience.
82:47Everything feels hard. Everything is difficult. And it's awful.
82:49And I don't think they're getting better. I'm out.
82:52I want to sell. I don't care if I lose money on the deal.
82:56I want out. There's a bubble. There's a bubble.
82:59Should that be the episode this week? Sell low.
83:01Buy high, sell low. Sell low. Buy high, sell low.
83:04It's over. Find a new show. The Chargers lost to the Bills by eight points, even though the Bills had five turnovers.
83:11This is like the all-time Chargers-ing. Oh, there's a lot.
83:14There's a lot of Chargers-ing over the years. Heifetz wrote a whole article about it.
83:18They won the turnover battle by four. This isn't a top 20 Chargers loss of the last 15 years.
83:24I'll have you know. I could literally pull up the 20 games.
83:28But this is really bad. Things have never been worse.
83:31They won the turnover battle by four. And they scored 16 points.
83:34This is the stat. This, we really, I want to keep track of this year.
83:39This is the early contender for statistic of the year.
83:42Which is, this, well, I mean, this one came from Evan Abrams.
83:45Since 2013, teams who had five turnovers and won the turnover battle by four are three and 81.
83:51And all three of the teams that lost are the Chargers.
83:54You know what? My response to all this is touche, NFL.
83:57I didn't see this coming. Drake May, Justin Herbert, I didn't see this coming.
84:01You always keep me guessing. I like to think I have a feel.
84:05I was dead wrong. My life ruined this year.
84:08My fantasy seasons are ruined. Because I had no idea that Justin Herbert and Drake May would be a disaster.
84:14And that this Chargers thing is just an absolute catastrophe.
84:17I had no idea. So, kudos. Touche. I feel like we've spent so much time in them.
84:22I don't even want to do it. I do want to shred them a little.
84:27We talked to them so much. They deserve it.
84:29They settled for two field goals. I mean, the Bills started fumble, punt, pick, pick.
84:34The Chargers were good in the first half. The Chargers settled.
84:37Scored, yeah. They settled for two field goals. And they missed one.
84:41So, they're only up 10 to nothing after three turnovers.
84:44The Chargers ran on third and five and then punt, which isn't just about that.
84:48But it suggests that Mike McDaniel either ran on third and five hoping to get five yards or thought they'd go front and forth down and didn't.
84:56Either one's a little concerning. Because I think Ben Johnson and the Bears run for it.
85:01And the Lions used to run for it on third and five all the time.
85:05But they're going to go for it on fourth down as long as they get, like, three yards.
85:11So, you have to be on the same page to do that.
85:14That's concerning. Chargers second and goal at the one.
85:17Got two straight false starts. That was just fucking stunning.
85:20The Bills' new stadium is loud as hell. Quentin Johnson dropped an incredibly, like, the game on the line, season on the line, third down.
85:27That was, like, wide open in his hands. Bread basket.
85:30Really crushing. Joe Ault leads the entire NFL in penalties.
85:33Literally any player, not just linemen. Joe Ault has the most penalties in the NFL.
85:38Sorry to interrupt you, but did you see the graphic that they had during the game where it was, like, Joe Ault?
85:44He's just, like, flexing. Oh, he's, like, going like this.
85:47He's, like, flexing. And then, like, the graphic under him was, like, tied for the NFL lead with six penalties.
85:53I'd be pissed if I did that if I was a player.
85:57They're, like, yeah, just pose. We'll use this for, like, your intro.
86:01And then they're, like, fucking worst player ever. And you look like an idiot.
86:05It's, like, oh, my God. They really fucked you on that.
86:08They're, like, yeah, Joe Ault, you're good enough. Like, there's no negative press about you.
86:13It's fine. You can flex. What's going to happen?
86:15Yeah, flex on. My God. And then, yeah, Brady called Herbert's interception over the middle of Meatballs up, which it was, because Herbert just had safety blindness.
86:23It just didn't see the safety over the middle of the field in the inside.
86:28Why would you look? Yeah, no, it's terrible. And we should move on.
86:32Herbert's a disaster. Hampton's a disaster. Hampton doesn't. Not only is a man Hampton bad in fantasy, a man Hampton does not
86:38look like a special player at all, even when he gets the ball.
86:42Right. Hampton has some of the worst vision in the league.
86:45Hampton. And again, worth reminding you. He's just running into shit.
86:49You know the fig beetles? You know those beetles that, like, they're kind of big and they just run into shit?
86:55That's what O'Marrion Hampton is. He's big, strong, fast.
86:58They don't know where. They're drunk. He's just running into things.
87:01Reminds me of Leonard Fournette a little bit, where I used to call him.
87:05He was like, what are the, you go to the fair and like, you get into the crash cars.
87:11I can't remember what that's called. Bumper cars. Bumper cars.
87:14And they, the way that they like operate is like, you just can go straight.
87:18And then if you like have to turn, you have to like reverse and you go all wonky.
87:24And it's just like, they drive all erratically and stuff.
87:27That's like what he looks like. It really, honestly, Hampton is a lot like the things we have with Fournette.
87:33You're right. I, the, the charges, it's also worth remembering.
87:36Lad's a disaster. Quint Johnson's a disaster. The whole thing's a goddamn disaster.
87:39Yeah. They didn't even want to draft to Marion Hampton.
87:42They tried to trade back with the Eagles at the time.
87:46If pro football talk reported this, the Eagles and charges agreed on a trade and the charges are going to trade back.
87:52And then the Eagles didn't follow the paperwork. So they drafted to Marion Hampton.
87:56And that doesn't mean they didn't like him. No.
87:59Well, they, he was the highest player on the board, but I'm like, yeah, it's, they probably shouldn't have done that anyway.
88:06God. God. Okay. Craig, who's so over? So back.
88:08Gino Smith is kind of so back. You know what I mean?
88:12On the jets. It's a mini. We're so back.
88:15Cause the jets are one in two, but it's not his fault.
88:18Gino Smith looks poised. He looks good. He looks like an adult.
88:22He's, he's, he's ninth in the league in passing.
88:25He already has no, he has no interceptions this year.
88:28Gino Smith through three games. You can make the case.
88:30There's some, if you, if you go through, you could kind of make the argument.
88:35This is the best first three games of a season.
88:38A jets quarterback has ever had. Yeah. That's how good he's playing.
88:42He's fifth in the league in passer rating right now.
88:45Yes. Gino like looks great. And the offensive line looks great.
88:48And they're one in two. There's a lot of bad coaching that that's taken place.
88:52The defenses let stuff up. Gino has been awesome.
88:55Straight up. His touchdown pass. He did fumble away the game today, but.
88:59That's his only turnover of the season. He has no picks.
89:02He has one fumble on the season. The jets could be three and oh.
89:06Very easily. Yes. The jets are playing well. Aaron Glenn is an impediment, but yeah, the Gino things worked way better than we think.
89:13And I was hard on Frank Reich to begin the year, and it's been way better than I thought.
89:19Gino was the number three quarterback in fantasy today behind Brock Purdy and Sam Darmley at 26 points.
89:25Yeah. Kenyon Sadiq might be a thing, you guys.
89:27Kenyon Sadiq looked really good. He had an incredible touchdown.
89:30Yeah. I was super dubious in Kenyon Sadiq. It all it took was sacrificing Mason Taylor into a volcano.
89:36You got to do what you got to do, you know?
89:39But yeah. He dipped his heart out and dipped him into a pit of fire.
89:44Exactly. Put a little. It's like a marshmallow. Get a little crisp on the inside.
89:48You got Kali Mad. God. Another team that's so back.
89:51I think the Browns are so back. They're actually playing very well right now.
89:55The Browns are kind of back. The Browns are two and one.
89:59The Browns are above 500. I kind of love Todd Monken.
90:02He's got some fuck you to him. Yeah. Todd Monken has got some fuck you.
90:07Deshaun Watson's playing like a real quarterback. He ran 11 times to 45 yards.
90:11144 yards, whatever. He had a huge interception reversed on a penalty that he kind of flopped on.
90:16But Watson had two touchdowns. One of Harold Fannin to win the game.
90:20Like, you know, actually rolling left, spinning it, like throwing right, throwing end zone.
90:24Like kind of looked like the old Deshaun Watson.
90:27Like as a runner was pretty good. Like shockingly competent overall.
90:30And the Browns were the Browns. I mean, the defense.
90:33Mason Grant. Defensive tackle that, again, the Browns moved back and got in the Travis Hunter trade, which, again, that it looks
90:40worse and worse as time goes on. But Tej Seth had this great stat.
90:44The Browns pressure price on 30 of 47 dropbacks today.
90:4730 of 47. They're like the Browns won 21 to 18.
90:50It's crazy. Let me ask you this. Just consider this for a second.
90:54Is what is happening right now actually kind of the worst case scenario for Cleveland?
90:59Oh, yeah. You could argue that. Is it not the most Browns thing of all time that just when everyone's like, we're
91:05so fucking done with this guy, Deshaun Watson, get him out of my face.
91:09Oh, it's a great quarterback year in college. Awesome.
91:12We'll just suck for one more year. We got good receivers.
91:15We got a lot to build on. And then Deshaun Watson is going to be kind of decent.
91:21And you're going to go six and 11 and have the 11th pick and just ruin everything.
91:26It's a good point. The Browns, just looking at the people who are playing in this game for the Browns, everyone's so young.
91:33Quinshot Judkins, 22. Raheem Sanders is 23. Harold Fenn is 22.
91:36Casey Concepcion is 22. Denzel Boston is 22. Mason Graham is 23.
91:39Spencer Fano is 21. And it's like, yeah, they probably should have a quarterback that is young and with them in their cohort.
91:46And then, yeah, you're right. Deshaun Watson is going to play well enough.
91:50Imagine if they bring Deshaun Watson back. How weird that would be.
91:54It kind of sucks that right now the Browns fans have to be like talking themselves into coming back around to Deshaun Watson.
92:01Like that's where they are right now. After the game, Deshaun Watson's talking about how he got emotional because he had to
92:07leave for a game because he flopped after he threw a pick.
92:11And then he flopped and got a roughing the passer penalty that flipped the game that Panthers fans are mad about.
92:17But I don't care because there's also crazy face mask on him that they ignored.
92:22But then he left and Shador came in and they went back in and the fans cheered for Deshaun Watson.
92:28And he's like, oh, good. We're all good. Browns fans, email us.
92:31If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If you're like, screw you.
92:34We have two wins and I'm having a good time.
92:37And I like watching the Browns win. That's totally fair.
92:40But I want to know. I want to know how the vibes are in Cleveland.
92:45I think it's more important to change the culture and change the vibes than to figure out the quarterback right now.
92:51Email us at ringerfantasyfootball at gmail.com. I do want to know what Browns fans think.
92:55It's weird. It's a weird situation. Real quick question.
92:58Good. They deserve that. On the Browns. Do you guys remember Jerry Judy?
93:02He's on the Browns. Well, you know, it's funny when Brady was talking about how Jackson Smith and Jake was super power is like keeping his shoulders level.
93:10All I could think of is how Jerry Judy is the worst player in the NFL at that.
93:16Jerry Judy is still playing for the Browns. I just wanted to make that clear.
93:20I hate Jerry Judy as much as there are very few players I hate that have done like, well, I just hate him.
93:27I hate Jerry Judy. How did he? What did he do today?
93:31He had nothing. He sucks. What did he do?
93:33Finished dead last? He has 26 yards on the year.
93:36I actually hate him. I hate Jerry Judy. It's okay that because no one drafted him, but I just wanted to point
93:43out that he's actually still technically on the team.
93:45Sometimes I think about being wrong on Jerry Judy in the past and then I remember, you know who else was wrong?
93:52John Elway. Yeah. Which makes me feel better. All right.
93:55Let's get serious here. Two years ago, Jerry Judy had 90 catches, 1,200 yards.
93:59Craig, it's time for America's Favorite Segment. Fart or Shart?
94:02DK, let's go to Houston where David Montgomery is absolutely ruining my life and the lives of millions.
94:08David Montgomery disguised his mediocrity in week one by scoring three touchdowns.
94:11And since then, he has 60 yards rushing. And that's about it.
94:15The Texans lost today in 1917. They fell to 0-3.
94:18Today, David Montgomery had 11 rushes for 33 yards.
94:20And he's irrelevant now, really, in fantasy. So, DK, I ask you, David Montgomery, fart or shart?
94:25I think it's a shart because I don't see this offensive line getting any better.
94:30I totally agree. He's averaging 2.8 yards per carry.
94:33He's averaging 35 yards rushing a game. Oh. The other thing that makes it hard, too, is that Woody Marks is playing quite a lot.
94:40So, not only is he not picking up any yards and not doing anything of note other than that first game when
94:47he scored three touchdowns, he's losing a lot of snaps to Woody Marks.
94:51And he doesn't have, like, a goal line role.
94:53They're just kind of, like, rotating drives. And it's going to be just really hard to trust him week in and week out.
95:00Basically, like, plugging him into your lineup. I think you absolutely can bench David Montgomery.
95:05And I think if you have any options that seem better, they probably are.
95:09Again, the Colts had given up 1,000 yards in two weeks, which hadn't happened in like 10 years.
95:14And the Texans really struggled to move the ball on them today.
95:18I was incredibly disappointed by Houston overall today. I think this is shart, too.
95:22I agree. All right. Who you got? There's a couple other names here that I would like you to pick.
95:28Let's do a rapid fire fart or shart. There's some smells here.
95:31There's some smelly situations. Can we do a lightning round fart or shart?
95:35Sure, sure. It's either going to be, very quickly, fart or shart.
95:39Okay. Pet McMillan, two catches, 17 yards today. Fart.
95:42Okay. That's all. He's been good in the first two games.
95:45This one was just against a really good defense that held him to do nothing.
95:49Every running back on the Packers. Shart. Are any of them a fart?
95:53No, they're all sharts. The Packers run game is a shart.
95:57Yeah. The offensive line is not fixable. Jadarian Price on Seattle.
96:00Fart or shart? Ooh. I fear it's a shart.
96:03I want to spend just a little bit of time on this because I think it is important.
96:08He's obviously a first round pick. We had high expectations for him coming in.
96:12He now has lost two fumbles in three games.
96:15This was a big issue for him in college.
96:17This was one of the reasons he was playing behind Jeremiah Love a lot of the time.
96:23Obviously, Jeremiah Love, super talented. But he was losing key fumbles in key situations.
96:27The Seahawks, by the way, lost one fumble all of last year, and it was by George Helani.
96:32They did have like three total or something like that from their running backs.
96:36And so this is a huge problem. They benched him after he lost his fumble until the second half.
96:42And I get, you know, like at the end of the day, he's averaging four points a game.
96:47And Zach Charbonnet is coming back soon. So this is tough.
96:51And last but not least, we hit on him before, but Omerian Hampton for the Chargers.
96:55Fart or shart? This one to me is not as egregious, but it's kind of a shart.
97:00He's this is now a full blown running back by committee.
97:04Kamani Vidal was in in this game. He's not catching any passes.
97:07I think he has like two catches this year.
97:10Hampton does. And he doesn't look very good. And the Chargers are disaster.
97:14And the Chargers have an incredibly difficult schedule. So I'm very worried.
97:17Other than that, he's great. Yeah, I'm very worried.
97:20A real poo poo platter across the board today.
97:23These are his names. Okay. We only had one fart.
97:26And we had four sharts, one fart. Not great.
97:28Drake Mays is probably a fifth shart. Yeah. A lot of sharts.
97:32We'll get to him later in the episode. Intrusive thoughts.
97:35Craig, what are your intrusive thoughts today? Look, for as much as I enjoy watching football, and they've done a great job
97:42figuring most of it out, I do think there is one fatal flaw that pisses me off every time I see it.
97:48And it is the underthrown deep ball that inevitably causes a defensive pass interference.
97:52I think it's just like a bug in the system.
97:55And I hate it. And it happened again today.
97:58It happens almost every week. And it's like, the corner doesn't know what to do.
98:03He's just chasing a receiver who has to slow down because it's a severely underthrown ball.
98:07He runs into him, PI, 40 yards. And I just hate it.
98:11I hate watching it. It's kind of like- The Joe Flacco special.
98:14It's kind of like rear-ending a car is always your fault, except if the law was to like, you were supposed to chase cars or something.
98:22You know what I mean? It's like- Get as close to the car as you can.
98:27But don't touch it, idiot. Like, it's kind of insane.
98:30You're like, tailing it as close as possible. Yeah, and they could slam on the brakes at any time.
98:36And if they do, it's your fault. Yeah, it's just- It is insane.
98:40I just hate- I don't know. It really bothers me.
98:43I'm like, we have to figure this out. I wish that- Yeah, you're right.
98:47They need to figure something out with that. They should just not call it.
98:51It's all right. If they try, they would just write a rule that would then be like completely spun off into a
98:57direction that none of us saw coming. It would just ruin the sport for a year.
99:02So that would be cool. DK, any intrusive thoughts?
99:05I don't know if this is an intrusive thought or just like a real thought.
99:09I feel like teams should run the hook and ladder like four or five times a game.
99:14Why is there not more hook and ladders? Because coaches are afraid.
99:18I've yet to see a hook and ladder fail.
99:21I know. It's so true. It's like, worst case, it's like four yards.
99:25That's not true, obviously. They're unprepared. Yeah. I don't know.
99:28The 49ers- Debo and Mike Evans, yeah. The 49ers ran a hook and ladder early in the game.
99:33By the way, Debo, this is a weird stat.
99:36Debo had 80 yards and a touchdown, and he had zero catches, which is like the most yards of a receiver ever without a catch.
99:43Yeah. So it's pretty sweet. That's a weird quirk.
99:46Roger Sherman had that, by the way. The hook and ladder thing, it is like Kelsey just, again, the coolest play ever
99:52that Kelsey should have beaten the Chiefs. The Chiefs should have beaten the Bills in that Kelsey hook and ladder play, and then Kadarius Tony was offside.
100:00And you guys were like, oh, I'll take you to.
100:03I'm like, he was on the other side of the football.
100:07He has one job. Let's re-litigate that. It was so funny to me.
100:11But the flip side, but you're right about the hook and ladder thing, because the other part of this that no one
100:17does anymore is that when we were kids, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed would practice.
100:22They would do hook and ladders on defense. Unlike interception.
100:25Like, they would lateral the ball. Like, Ed Reed would get a pick six, and they would fucking lateral it to Ray
100:31Lewis and all these other guys in the Ravens defense.
100:34And it worked every time. And every time the Ravens got the ball, they scored like half the time they scored a touchdown.
100:41And then no defense has ever been authorized by a coaching staff to ever do that ever again, even though it worked for the Ravens half the time.
100:49I feel like there's maybe, you know, seven or eight hook and ladders a season.
100:54Maybe it's more. Maybe it's like 15. But that's, you know, I'm like, there should be.
100:59That should be a big part of the game plan, like a screen pass.
101:03We're just running a hook and ladder. Yeah. Ben Johnson messed around.
101:06He does it quite often. Yeah. Yeah. They're good.
101:09Yeah. Ben Johnson will do it to get like eight yards on 36.
101:13A lot of people do it on third and long.
101:16But I'm like, you just do that on first down.
101:19Yeah. I don't know. They can't stop it. Flex category here.
101:22The Colston Loveland cut corner. I would like to announce Jaguars 135 to six.
101:26And surely you would check the box score and think, well, Brian Thomas must have had at least 10 receiving yards, right?
101:33Nope. One catch for eight yards in the game that Jacksonville won by 29.
101:37Was he hurt in this game? Did he get hurt?
101:40No, he just sucks. He played 30. I think I saw he played 35% of snaps.
101:45He played actually fewer snaps than Josh Cameron. Yeah.
101:48Josh Cameron. Who has now scored two touchdowns in his short NFL career.
101:52He's a rookie from six round rookie. It's yeah, it's it's pretty much it's Joe over with Brian Johnson.
101:57I don't know what's going on there. They should have traded him in the offseason.
102:02I think Brian Thomas, but Brian Johnson. Yeah. Brian Johnson's new thing is he's learning.
102:06He's going to dunk. You guys, did you see this?
102:09Yeah. He was like, I can't live forever, so I might as well just dunk.
102:14He's lowering the bar slightly from living forever to dunking.
102:17Yeah. Equally impossible for him. But I'm into it.
102:19He'll have equal success. If you could dunk, I feel like you could die happy.
102:24Man realizes he'd rather dunk than live forever. It's like, I can't believe it took him 50 years to realize that shit.
102:30Okay. Best quote of the day. Craig, did Brady say anything weird?
102:34Brady in a very self-aware manner said miss pistol instead of piss missile because piss missile is inappropriate to say on a broadcast.
102:41So he, after a great throw by Josh Allen, maybe it's not like illegal, but perhaps frowned upon.
102:46I don't know. Yeah. Said miss pistol. And I, he actually like handled it in a way that wasn't annoying.
102:52And I was like, okay. Do you think he realized that he's still saying piss?
102:57Piss, like you say, it can't say piss because piss missile.
103:00So you say miss pistol. Like he's still saying piss.
103:03Yeah. But he's not saying, he's not saying piss.
103:06He's saying piss. Which is a fake word. I know it's piss.
103:09It's right there. Which is a fake word. Yeah.
103:12But you know, some, some, some words, the first half of the word is a bad word.
103:17But if you pair it with the second half of the word, it's no longer a bad word.
103:22Perhaps. I just made I have a yawn with my miss.
103:26Piss. Yeah. That's fucking so boring. Christ. That's how bored Brady was watching Justin Herbert.
103:30He's like, I'm going to say miss pistol. Just call it.
103:33Well, so I, I gotta, I gotta bring a celebration of the weekend.
103:37I gotta go. NFL was fine. They took Jamar Chase's, you know, fake people elbow thing out.
103:42We have to talk about the Texas game. Colin Simmons is this great pass rusher for Texas.
103:47Did a sack celebration over the weekend. Did you guys see this?
103:51Yeah. Yes, I did. It's actually the wildest one I've ever seen.
103:55Speaking of a piss missile. He pretended to take, he took, he sacked the quarterback, pretended to take his dick out and piss on the quarterback.
104:02And then he raised his hands when he got a flag.
104:06Like, what? And then he's like, whoa, whoa, what did I do?
104:09What did I do? I, I, I. DK Metcalf level play right there.
104:13We should, we were joking. We should rebrand. We should rebrand this.
104:17We should be like, no, he's watering the garden.
104:19I mean. Whipping your dick out and piss. He literally mimed, unzipping, grabbing his dick, holding it with two hands and pissing everywhere.
104:26Isn't there a, aren't these, aren't some guys now doing it where they score and they like mime, like hitting it from the back?
104:33Isn't that a celebration right now too? Even that is more subtle than taking your dick out and then holding it while
104:40you piss on the guy's prone, writhing dead body.
104:43I love this, like the like underground, like, like group of people that are, of these players like figuring out ways to
104:49have inappropriate celebrations to get back at the leagues.
104:52I think it's so, it's like seeing what they can get away with.
104:56There's like a whole system. Later in the Texas game, the running back did what I believe is Gooch swiping himself, like,
105:02like grabbing his balls, smelling it and passing out onto the ground.
105:06Did you see that one? No. Yeah. He like grabbed his balls.
105:09What? And then he smelled it. That's a celebration.
105:12And then he like fell backward onto the ground, which I assume everyone says on the team says his balls smell.
105:18I don't know. No, he's doing Mary Catherine Gallagher.
105:21That's all. It's just, I don't know. I have no idea what's happening in the Texas locker room.
105:26Being a college coach must be so fun. Even T Higgins, like hearing T Higgins explain to people's elbow as if they're
105:33not like just trying to drop dick with the arm.
105:36And I'm like, man, these guys are just 22 and you're trying to do all this scheming and all this stuff.
105:42And the guys are just like, man, I got an idea.
105:46I'm going to take my dick out and piss on the court.
105:49I'm going to unzip my pants. All they think about is like, what am I going to do if I score or do something cool?
105:57Like, what is my move? Fuck the game plan.
105:59Like, I just was trying to get in the end zone so I could piss on my son.
106:05This is like, we're wondering why Jeremiah Love didn't even know who Jared Goff was.
106:09Yeah. I think Jeremiah Love did the hitting it from the back when he scored today.
106:14Dude, I, you know, it's funny because what it really comes down to, I swear to God, is what the NFL owners get mad about.
106:21Like the peace sign with Tyree Kill, that became a thing because the Giants owner, John Marrow, was mad that he did that.
106:28And so they added it. But I do think none of these men are going to figure out what any of these things mean.
106:35Yeah. All right. Worst coach decision of the day.
106:38Domeika Ryans pulled an Aaron Glenn. Uh-oh. And Domeika Ryans didn't get any shit for it because Domeika Ryans is really hot
106:45and nobody wants to make fun of him. But I just don't understand why these defensive coordinators cannot manage the clock.
106:51What happened? Tell us what happened. The Texans. So, well, I'm glad you asked, DK.
106:55Okay. I demanded, really. I didn't even ask. Colts have the ball at midfield.
107:00There's over a minute left. And the clock's running down.
107:03And Domeika Ryans waits 36 seconds to call a timeout.
107:06Literally burns 36 seconds. And then the Colts end up kicking a field goal to go up two points.
107:11So now the Texans get the ball back with down two points.
107:15And the Texans have 16 seconds. And if their head coach had just called a timeout earlier, the Texans would have had like 51 seconds.
107:22And instead of 51 seconds, they had 15. So you know what happened?
107:26The Texans lost because they had to throw a fucking Hail Mary.
107:30The Texans have Kaimi Fairbairn, who is their kicker, who can make a kick from the 50-yard line.
107:35All they would have had to do is get 51 seconds to get to the 50-yard line.
107:40And instead, they had 15 seconds and they couldn't even get to their own 50 because their coach didn't realize they would
107:47need 36 seconds left or decided they wouldn't. And it's one of those things where you're kind of like, what do these people do all week?
107:55They're just game planning. And they don't even like, I truly don't understand how there is a scenario where the clock is
108:01ticking and they could not be like, hey, Domeika, we need a call timeout right now.
108:06Or he's just like, oh, great. I don't get it.
108:09But these defensive coordinators, the defensive coordinator brain, where they just want their defense to win the game.
108:14And maybe he's thinking, we'll just get a sack and they won't be able to kick a field goal at all.
108:21But it is unbelievable how little thoughts some of these teams spend on clock management at the end.
108:26It is crazy that once a week, there is an egregious coaching clock mismanagement.
108:30Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know. I wish I had something more eloquent to say than it's sometimes their football, it's
108:37so much more complicated and they put more thought into it than you could ever think about things like, like how to
108:43stop a run, like how, how are, which defenders go to which place in a run?
108:48There are four hour arguments coaches could have about this.
108:51And then it's like, should we call a timeout with a minute left?
108:55And they're like, who knows? I, I, I, it's like how the CIA can't get enough staplers in the building.
109:01I just, you know, it's, it's the duality of man.
109:04Also, Hyphens, we, we have a crossover of the century because we, you know, we have the Colston Loveland cut corner, but
109:10then we also have the two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and they're, they're kind of merged this week because the
109:17Falcons scored 35 points and beat the Packers on Thursday night football.
109:21And the Falcons have like 500 yards of offense.
109:23Surely Kyle Pitts had a lot of yards. Surely Kyle Pitts did anything and you'd be wrong.
109:28Cause he had one catch for five yards. Surely Kyle Pitts had more than one point.
109:33No. Oh wait, Michael Panix is back and they scored 35 points.
109:37Surely he, he, he's worth having on my team this year.
109:40You're wrong. Yeah. It was hard to even get too tight into how to score Kyle Pitts in a lot.
109:46Cause Kyle Pitts was the 50th ranked tight end this week.
109:49One, 32 teams. Kyle Pitts on the season has 20 yards and two catches.
109:53Two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in a lot.
109:56Josh Cuevas, Elijah Higgins and Drew Sample. Josh Cuevas?
109:59Is he real? He's like the third, third tight end on Baltimore.
110:03You see a grip on SNL? Who knows? Elijah Higgins is on the Cardinals.
110:07Who's the other guy? Drew Sample's on the Bengals.
110:10Oh, Drew Sample's sure. I guess I'll take Cuevas who I didn't know existed.
110:14No, he outscored Kyle Pitts. He did. That's just so funny.
110:17It's just too good to be true. Kyle Pitts on the season is, I actually had to double check this.
110:23Cause I was like, I actually didn't know if this could like literally be true.
110:27Cause it sounds impossible. Kyle Pitts on the season is the 60th ranked tight end.
110:32Kyle Pitts has three points in the entire year.
110:35Is he the most annoying player of all time?
110:37I think. Yeah. Dude, this dude has. Cause he's somehow convinced us to be like interested in him for like years and years and years now.
110:45It seems like decades. Kyle Pitts almost had a thousand yards receiving.
110:49He had 88 catches last year. The best take I had that I abandoned was I had a tattoo last year that said, don't rank Kyle Pitts.
110:57Do not put him in the top 200. And that turned out to be the best fantasy advice we could have given
111:03this year is don't even fucking rank the guy.
111:06What's his stat line? How many catches? On the entire season.
111:09He had three games. Two catches for 20 yards.
111:12Three games. In three games. He was drafted before Jamar Chase.
111:15Yes. That is literally a fact. I mean, and look, I, I loved him and I just, it's just so frustrating.
111:21He's the most annoying player in, in all of football.
111:24So maybe ever. DK, this is a really, would you say he's good?
111:28No. What? I don't know. No, he looks really.
111:31He looked. He looked better last year. He looked pretty good.
111:34He had three good games. No, this is the problem with the averages.
111:38He had three good games. And one really, really, really good game against the Bucs.
111:43$4 million deal this summer. Well, they're fucking stupid.
111:45They shouldn't have done that. This is crazy. 36 million guaranteed.
111:49So this is a really big week for the burn book.
111:52So the burn book, last two weeks, we burned AJ Brown week one.
111:56There's never been an easier burn book. This is the easiest one of the season.
112:00There's a, there's a, there's a lot of competition.
112:03Kyle Pitts, one catch for five yards. Brian Thomas had one catch for eight yards.
112:07Brian Thomas is not playing for me. This book is named after Kyle Pitts.
112:12Kyle Pitts is not on any starting rosters. Neither is Brian Thomas.
112:15So you want to burn who I'm thinking of?
112:18We're burning Drake May. Yeah. Yeah. We're obviously burning the guy who almost won the MVP last year, who was averaging four points a game in fantasy.
112:26Is that bad? I can't, I can't talk. Kyle Pitts.
112:29I can't say anything right now because I literally just said he was a buy low, but it is a buy low because it's never been lower.
112:37It's free. He's an even buy lower now. If you believe in Drake May, like wholeheartedly, then he can't be in the burn book.
112:44A burn book is burned to us. Don't believe in him wholeheartedly anymore.
112:48I did coming into this game. This was a tough one.
112:51It's hard to come back from that. The fact like what Heifetz said, I think you said he's broken.
112:57Like I had that a couple of times today.
113:00I was like, oh, he's actually really not good anymore.
113:03Like his shoulder might just be worse than we thought the whole time, the whole year.
113:07Yeah. If he's hurt, that would be the good example.
113:10But I think Drake May is the story of the season in terms of like you can talk about all of the
113:17Josh Allen and Brock Purdy or Jackson. But like the negative story of the season is Drake May in fantasy bar none.
113:24I think probably true. I think it's Love Loveland.
113:26They were in the Super Bowl. The problem with Drake May is that if you're a Patriots fan, you now hope it's
113:33a physical issue because if there's nothing physically wrong with the shoulder, then he has mentally regressed to the point where there
113:39is like a huge problem with his development or that he was never actually that good as it seemed.
113:45And last year was kind of an illusion and a lot of really luck, a huge luck on deep passes.
113:51It's but it's, it's, it's like you almost hope that something's wrong with the shoulder because at least that could heal.
113:57Drake May has one passing touchdown this year. He has one.
114:01I mean, he has, I mean, dude, I, he has six interceptions.
114:04He has seven turnovers in one touchdown. Travis Hunter's caught more passes from Drake May than Trevor Lawrence.
114:10Dude, on passes over 20 yards downfield, Drake May's got one, one completion and three interceptions.
114:14Oh wait, no, that's Justin Herbert. Sorry. Honestly, Drake May.
114:17Our big, our big talented boys are not doing well right now.
114:21All right. Block heads. Drake May had 3.7 points today.
114:243.7. I know. I don't use any decibels. 3.7 today.
114:27All right. We'll burn Drake. But Drake May, you're in the burn book.
114:31Two Patriots. Bummer. Two Patriots. Oh God. Two out of three.
114:34Fits. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig.
114:37Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Nikhil. Thank you, Austin.
114:39Thank you for listening. Email us at ringerfantasyfootballatgmail.com. Browns fans, I want to know how you feel.
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114:55Lauren, 80s month. I believe I'm up. Yeah. I'm going with Everybody Have Fun Tonight by Wang motherfucking Chung.
115:01Wow. Good call out. You know that tune? Oh yeah.
115:04Wang Chung. I don't know that one. Hi, Fit?
115:06I don't know if I'm looking it up. I don't know.
115:10You'll know it. What? You'll sing it. It couldn't sound more.
115:13When you play the song, it sounds like you're walking to a club in 1983.
115:17Give me a go. Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody have fun tonight.
115:21Everybody Wang Chung tonight. Everybody. Everybody. And you would think to yourself, Wang Chung, where's this band from?
115:26They're English. They're from London. Yeah. Everybody have fun tonight.
115:29Everybody Wang Chung tonight. They also do the song To Live and Die in LA, which is the theme song of the
115:36movie To Live and Die in LA. And that is also a crazy 80s sounding song.
115:41It was also the beginning song of the John Mulaney talk show.
115:44If you watched that. I did. Does that ring a bell?
115:48This all is very 80s. Yeah. Bill, when we did To Live and Die in LA, Bill had a section where he
115:54talked about Wang Chung, and I don't know why it always stuck with me because he went, Wang, motherfucking Chung.
116:00And now that's like the only way I say that band's name.
116:04It's good. It's good stuff. All the comment. I'm watching this and people are saying that the song made it into Grand Theft Auto 6.
116:11Oh. Wait, which one? What song did you just say?
116:14Everybody have fun tonight? Everybody have fun tonight. Oh, nice.
116:17It's on the soundtrack for GTA 6. I don't know how people know that.
116:21I guess it came out. I wish we didn't get sued by playing music because it would be so awesome if every
116:28outro of this could just be the song. God, can you imagine?
116:31If Wang Chung was taking us out? Someday, Craig.
116:34Someday. Get in touch with us, Mariah, et cetera.
116:37Yeah, we just have to develop personal relationships with every band on earth.
116:41Yes. So that they would allow us to license their music for free.
116:45They want to have us do that. It becomes undeniable as a marketing opportunity for them.
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