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Fantasy Football Busts, Values & League Winners! | Red, White & Boom (July 4th Edition: Fantasy Football Podcast)

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1 hr 3 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Jul 2, 2026
Published
Thu, July 2, 2026
51
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15
Players mentioned
Topics
A.J. BrownHarold FanninKenneth Walker IIIMike EvansQuinshon JudkinsBreece HallJosh DownsRome OdunzeTrey McBrideCaleb WilliamsZach CharbonnetColston LovelandD'Andre SwiftParker Washington
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A.J. Brown

PositiveBreakout0:44

A.J. Brown is being considered ahead of Drake London, Justin Jefferson, and Nico Collins due to his elite efficiency metrics, high first-read target rate (42.1% in 2024), and transition to the Patriots' under-center heavy offense with Drake May and Josh McDaniels, positioning him as a potential league winner.

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PositiveProjection0:45

A.J. Brown averaged 3+ yards per route run in 2024 with the Eagles and ranks third all-time in yards per route run (behind only Puka Nacua and Tyreek Hill) and first from under center specifically at 4.4 yards per route run, suggesting significant upside in a Patriots offense that runs more under-center plays.

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PositiveRole0:48

A.J. Brown has a 34% career end zone target rate and has never been below 21% in any season, compared to Stefan Diggs' 8% end zone target rate with the Patriots, indicating Brown is an alpha receiver who will command red zone opportunities.

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PositiveValue0:49

A.J. Brown dominated target shares (42.1% first-read target rate in 2024) while playing alongside Devante Smith, a top-15 receiver, and now moves to the Patriots with Romeo Doubs as his only competition, positioning him for elite target volume.

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PositiveProjection0:51

A.J. Brown has been one of the absolute best in the league at creating first downs during his NFL career and had a 42.1% first-read target rate in 2024 (second only to Malik Nabers), metrics that correlate more strongly with future fantasy production than traditional stats.

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PositiveProjection0:52

A.J. Brown is positioned to lead the wide receiver position in scoring with less target competition than ever before, the best passer he's ever played with in Drake May, and a high-scoring, pass-heavy Patriots offense, unless he gets injured or significantly declines.

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NegativeInjury0:54

A.J. Brown may have knee issues; the Rams were reportedly not satisfied with his medicals, and the knee was cited as part of the reason the Eagles didn't get more in trade compensation (20th and 27th round picks), raising health concerns heading into 2026.

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Breece Hall

NegativeProjection0:03

Dave argues Hall is overvalued at 30th overall (RB14) despite averaging only 13 PPR points per game last year, and expects him to underperform in round three because Frank Reich historically underutilizes running backs and the offense won't score many points with Geno Smith at QB.

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NegativeBust0:04

Dave predicts Hall will start the season well against Tennessee in week one but will cost fantasy owners weeks in the second half of the year and is not worth a round three pick, suggesting round five is more appropriate.

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PositiveUsage0:05

Jacob counters that Hall showed strong passing game ability with 6.6 yards per target for his career and 7.3 last year, and may see increased involvement in the passing game if Braylon Allen stays healthy, reducing Hall's rushing workload.

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NegativeProjection0:06

Heath ranks Hall at RB22, lower than consensus which has him around RB16, and gravitates toward riskier picks like Bayshal Tootin or Cam Scadaboo due to Hall's limited upside in the Jets offense.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeValue0:55

Caleb Williams is being drafted as QB6 at 72nd overall, 23 picks ahead of Brock Purdy (who finished top-6 QB in two of last three seasons), 24 picks ahead of Matthew Stafford (2025 MVP runner-up), and 24 picks ahead of Patrick Mahomes and Jackson Dart, making his ADP unjustifiably high relative to proven alternatives.

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NegativeBust0:59

Caleb Williams has accuracy concerns, ranking as one of the lowest in completion percentage (only JJ McCarthy lower), and has only three goal-line carries in his career, limiting his rushing touchdown upside despite his mobility.

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Colston Loveland

PositiveValue0:31

The analyst is drafting Loveland ahead of Trey McBride at tight end, suggesting he prefers Loveland's upside despite McBride's talent advantage.

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D'Andre Swift

PositiveProjection0:37

Swift was the third least efficient in efficiency of movement in 2024 but was well above league average in 2025, and went from dead last in yards over expectation to first in the league, showing dramatic improvement under Eric Bieniemy.

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Harold Fannin

PositiveProjection0:09

Dave highlights Fannin as a boom play at 95th overall (TE8) because he averaged 11.7 PPR points per game on 6.7 targets last year and the addition of new WRs won't significantly reduce his target share.

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PositiveValue0:10

Dave notes Fannin's ADP of 95-103rd overall is amazing value for someone who could finish as a top-five tight end, and he would take him around TE6 in full PPR.

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PositiveBreakout0:12

Jacob emphasizes Fannin's elite athleticism and after-the-catch ability, noting he tied Christian McCaffrey's rookie season record for most receptions with 5+ yards gained after initial contact for any player under 22 since 2015, ahead of Mark Chase and Saquon Barkley.

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NegativeProjection0:12

Jacob notes concerns about Deshaun Watson's historical performance with tight ends under Kevin Stefanski, citing David Njoku's poor 1.22 yards per route run with Watson, and worries that new WRs Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston could reduce Fannin's targets.

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PositiveProjection0:13

Jacob would give Fannin a boost if Shadur Sanders wins the QB job in camp, noting they already have a connection with Shadur throwing to him 33% of the time last year.

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PositiveSleeper0:13

Heath calls Fannin 'by far the most talented player that you can get after pick 100' and loves the value, though he notes he probably would have classified him as white rather than boom.

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Josh Downs

PositiveSleeper0:56

Josh Downs is going as WR44 at 97th overall despite running 80%+ of routes in three games last year and 78%+ of routes in six games in 2024, scoring 19.4+ PPR points in four of those six games, making him a value pick with significant upside if he gets a full-time role.

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PositiveProjection0:57

Josh Downs is expected to move outside more and get increased playing time with the Colts, and on a per-route basis he destroys cornerbacks and gets open consistently, positioning him to finish around WR24 if he gets a full-time role.

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PositiveValue0:57

Josh Downs at WR44 (97th overall) is the value pick to get exposure to the Colts offense, which ranked #1 in the league last year when Daniel Jones was healthy, offering upside at a discount price.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveProjection0:35

Walker ranks running back 23 in explosive plays per game over his first four seasons, putting him in range with elite backs like Shaun Alexander and Brian Westbrook despite splitting a backfield.

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PositiveBreakout0:36

With Eric Bieniemy as offensive coordinator, Walker could become more consistent as a rusher, similar to how Bieniemy improved DeAndre Swift's efficiency and consistency in 2025.

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PositiveProjection0:39

Walker had 6.5 yards per rush last year when given at least one yard before contact, and only Devon Achan had a higher explosive run rate on these runs, showing elite efficiency in space.

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PositiveValue0:41

Walker is being drafted at RB10 overall (16th overall), which aligns with analyst rankings of RB8-RB13, making him fairly valued despite questions about consistency.

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NegativeBust0:41

Walker ranks 51st in rush success rate among running backs since entering the NFL (out of 54 qualifiers), and while some is due to offensive line, he needs to prove he can be more consistent.

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NegativeBust0:41

Kenneth Walker ranks 51st in rush success rate among running backs since entering the NFL out of 54 qualifiers, and has lost touches throughout his NFL career, suggesting he may be a frustrating player for coaches despite his elite speed and ability to break off explosive runs.

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Mike Evans

NegativeProjection0:18

Heath lists Mike Evans as a red (pump the brakes) at 54th overall, suggesting he's being drafted too early despite his fit in Kyle Shanahan's offense.

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PositiveProjection0:20

Jacob strongly disagrees with Heath's red rating on Evans, ranking him at WR20 (plus-five relative to consensus) and highlighting the upside with Kyle Shanahan, noting he and Dan Schneier did a 15-minute breakdown on Evans' historical context and potential.

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NegativeBust0:20

At 33 years old with a history of hamstring issues, Evans is a risky bet to stay healthy and produce as the 49ers' number one receiver. He had only one game with 15+ PPR points in 2025, raising concerns about his ability to bounce back.

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NegativeInjury0:21

Dave expresses concern about Evans' age (33) and history of hamstring issues, worrying that relying on him to stay healthy in the 49ers offense is risky.

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NegativeProjection0:21

Dave notes Evans had only one game with 15+ PPR points in 2025 and is banking on a major bounce-back while staying healthy to be the 49ers' number one alpha receiver.

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PositiveValue0:22

Evans is being drafted around ADP 50, but the analyst is hesitant to spend a top-50 pick on a player who might only play 11 or fewer games and may not see improvement in target volume with San Francisco.

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Parker Washington

PositiveProjection0:05

Jacob has no strong opinion on Parker Washington, describing him as a 'shoulder shrug emoji' at his current ADP of 66th overall (WR32), suggesting fair value.

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Quinshon Judkins

PositiveProjection0:25

Judkins is positioned as a boom player with the potential to score 10+ touchdowns annually, especially with the Browns adding fullback Mike Burton and improving their offensive line.

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PositiveRole0:25

The Browns showed last year they believe in leaning on Judkins in the run game, and with Todd Monken as offensive coordinator, they should maintain at least a 50% rush rate in competitive games.

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PositiveProjection0:27

Despite averaging only 0.4 yards before contact per rush last year (dead last among 250+ rush qualifiers since 2012), Judkins is considered one of the best running backs in his class and could still be productive with improved offensive line play.

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PositiveValue0:29

Judkins is being drafted well below other talented second-year running backs like Devon Henry, Jeremiah Love, and Breece Hall, making him a relative value despite concerns about the Browns' offensive environment.

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PositiveMatchup0:29

The Browns have the easiest schedule in the NFL, which could help Judkins stay in competitive games and receive 22+ carries per game.

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Rome Odunze

PositiveValue0:22

Odunze represents good value at wide receiver 29 with a 23% target share in his first 12 games last year, excellent pedigree, and a strong offensive system, making round five the right landing spot.

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PositiveRole0:24

Odunze had a 23.7% target share in the first 12 games, significantly higher than D.J. Moore's 16.6%, and was on pace for 77 targets before his injury.

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PositiveProjection0:24

Odunze has the eighth most end zone targets per game of any wide receiver over the last two years, tied with Drake London and ahead of several elite receivers, showing he's Caleb's primary red zone target.

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Sam LaPorta

PositiveProjection0:31

Laporta could potentially outscore Trey McBride, making him a viable alternative at the tight end position with more upside.

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Trey McBride

NegativeProjection0:31

McBride's 694 routes run last year (121 more than the next closest tight end) is not replicable, and his per-route efficiency doesn't look special, raising concerns about his production sustainability.

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NegativeBust0:34

McBride's per-route efficiency doesn't look special, and as an accumulator who gets short targets rather than winning downfield or creating yards after catch, he may not be able to maintain elite efficiency if volume decreases.

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NegativeBust0:35

The analyst is nervous about McBride's 2026 outlook and sees clear paths to more upside with other tight ends like Colson Loveland or Sam Laporta, who could easily outscore him.

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Zach Charbonnet

PositiveValue0:41

Zach Charbonnet ranks in the top 20 in rush success rate playing behind the same offensive line as Kenneth Walker, and was one of the few running backs in the league last year who gained positive yards when hit at or behind the line of scrimmage, a skill shared only with Jonathan Taylor and Bijan Robinson.

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PositiveUsage0:41

Charbonnet ranks in the top 20 in rush success rate while playing behind the same Seahawks offensive line as Kenneth Walker, suggesting Walker's lower success rate is more about individual performance than line quality.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play!
0:03Can you believe this? He had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
0:08Off to the races! And he stays on his feet!
0:11He's just gonna go the distance! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.
0:16Well howdy everybody! Welcome to the show. Fantasy Football Today, your holiday edition.
0:20I don't know how long I can keep this stupid hat on because it's messing with my headphones.
0:26But it's 4th of July, almost! It's 2nd of July.
0:29It's our last show before the 4th of July.
0:32We have an awesome topic for you. It's called Red, White, and Boom!
0:36And Jamie Eisenberg is here. And Jacob, we had an email sent around and said, Hey everybody, tomorrow's topic, Red, White, and Boom.
0:43Who are your players? And you wrote Red, White, and Blue.
0:46So you need to honor the topic, Jacob, or you're out.
0:50Sorry about that. Wow, yeah, I definitely do not have the commitment to the bit that you do.
0:55Respect. I told Thomas I had a hat for the occasion.
0:59I got it at Party City like 8 years ago.
1:02And I wear it every 4th of July. Oh, what's up, Dave?
1:06Looks like the kind of hat that a 50-year-old woman with liposuction would wear.
1:10What? Why liposuction? Just, you know, that plastic surgery type of profile.
1:14Okay. I don't think someone would, you know, I don't know.
1:17I just, I'm thinking of, you know what I'm thinking of is like, you know, the woman that's got the big lips.
1:24That's not even liposuction. All right, Dave, no. Lots of plastic surgery.
1:28Stop, stop, stop. You need to really stop, Dave.
1:31Stop. That's what it looks like. Okay. Thank you.
1:33Thank you, Andy. And sick. Dave nailed it. Okay, yeah, Dave.
1:37It did. Entirely inappropriate. Starting the show with a boom.
1:40Someone says, yeah, fireworks are a waste of money.
1:43I'll remind you, where I grew up in Florida, you can go to a store.
1:47Do they still have Neptune? Yes. It's like going to Walmart for fireworks and you can buy industrial strength fireworks, basically.
1:54It's insane. It is insane. I don't know how it's still around, but it's insane.
1:59There's fireworks for sale at the Publix around the corner.
2:02You could buy them from a guy on the corner in a tent.
2:06But they go up in the sky and they go, poof.
2:09Yeah, they go up in the sky and they go, poof.
2:13That's what fireworks do. Well, not all of them.
2:16That's what four-year-olds say they do. Did you know that fireworks are illegal in Hawaii?
2:20I found that out yesterday from my girlfriend. Well, like illegal for you and me to purchase or illegal?
2:26I just don't think they sell them. I think you have to bring them in.
2:31I don't think you sell them in New York, but I could be wrong.
2:35All right, anyway. Red. Here's the explainer for today's show.
2:38Red, white, and boom. Boom. Red means pump the brakes.
2:41This is a player we're avoiding at cost. We're using Fantasy Pro's ADP, PPR.
2:46White, fair ADP. You're going to draft this player if he falls to you.
2:50And boom! Light the fuse. A player you think is going to smash expectations and could win you leagues.
2:56So red, white, and boom. Red, pump the brakes too early.
2:59White, ADP is fair. Boom. We think he's going to hit, smash expectations.
3:03I'm not going to say, I'm going to yell boom every time.
3:07Thank you. All right. I think you should. Let's get started with Dave's red, white, and boom.
3:13Just run through who they are real quick. Red.
3:15Brees Hall. White. Parker Washington. And boom! Harold Fannin Jr.
3:18Let's go. Brees Hall, 30th overall, RB 14. Parker Washington.
3:22That's the white selection. 66th overall, wide receiver 32.
3:24And boom! Harold Fannin Jr., 95th overall, tight end 8.
3:27All right. Go ahead. Let's kick it off with Brees Hall.
3:31Well, we already saw it last year. He averaged 17.4 touches per game, three targets per game, averaged 13 PPR points per game.
3:38And now we're just expecting everything to be cool.
3:41His ADP on Fantasy Pros is 28th. It's 30th in our Fantasy FFT fans only ADP.
3:46This is a round three pick for a guy who wasn't good last year.
3:50Coaching staff changed. They have a new play caller.
3:53He's detrimental to Brees Hall. Frank Reich is the guy he has habitually used multiple running backs.
3:58He's only had a running back get over 15 PPR points per game, three times in 10 years as a play caller.
4:05If you lower that to 13, okay, great. It's four times in 10 years.
4:10This offense isn't going to be any... I don't think it'll be much better with Geno Smith at quarterback.
4:15You can talk about the offensive line all day long.
4:19I still think they're not going to score a lot of points.
4:22I don't like that he had a bunch of touches last year and didn't do well.
4:27Now he's going to get a bunch of touches this year and do better?
4:32Why? I don't get it. And I will even say this.
4:35He will start the season well. Takes on Tennessee in week one.
4:39The schedule of the first half of the year isn't really that bad.
4:43But in the second half of the year, this guy is going to cost you some fantasy weeks.
4:48He's not going to be that good. I don't think he's worth a pick in round three.
4:54I think he's worth a pick in round five.
4:57Ooh, round five. All right. So that's Brees Hall as pump the brakes.
5:01Let me just ask Heath and Jacob. Do you disagree with any of these selections?
5:05Brees Hall as the red, white Parker Washington, boom, Harold Fannin Jr.
5:09I disagree with everything. Really? Wow. Let's go. Terrible list.
5:12How come? No, I don't think I disagree with that.
5:15I don't have a strong opinion on Parker Washington, so I guess white fits perfectly.
5:20It's just kind of a shoulder shrug emoji for me on Parker Washington as of right now.
5:25I don't, I think it's saying it's a little bit inaccurate maybe to say Brees Hall got a lot of touches last year and didn't do well.
5:34Like he was at 13.2 fantasy points per game.
5:36That's pick 30. What's that? Probably RB 15. Well, last year he was about 21 per game.
5:42No, I'm saying this where he's being drafted right now.
5:45Yeah. Pick 30. RB fit 14. RB, RB 14.
5:48So like, yeah, he's always had a hard time scoring touchdowns, but the two seasons prior to this, it was nine and eight last year.
5:55It was five on more touches. I think we probably see him more involved in the passing game.
6:01If Braylon Allen stays healthy because Braylon Allen maybe takes a little bit off of his plate in terms of rushing.
6:08And then Isaiah Davis doesn't have to take some of the passing downs because holes being used so much as a rusher.
6:14Um, he's a guy who has shown us an insane ability in the passing game.
6:196.6 yards per target for his career. 7.3 last year.
6:22Maybe they're just so dumb that they're going to say, no, we really shouldn't throw a debris hole more than 48 times in 16 games.
6:30But I don't really believe that. I think it was just the roles got swapped a little bit when Allen went down
6:37and he had to play a portion of the year with Justin Fields who doesn't really throw to running backs a lot.
6:44But I'm, I'm, I have him ranked pretty much exactly where he's being drafted.
6:48He would have been a white for me. Okay.
6:51I might actually be lower on haul than Dave.
6:54I've got him a running back 22. So him and Deandre Swift are basically just flipped for me.
6:59It looks like consensus has Brees around running back 16 and Swift at running back 22.
7:04I have Swift to run back 16. I think that Brees probably finishes higher than running back 22.
7:10I think the stuff he said there makes sense.
7:13Um, him and Travis Achan are two players who I view similarly where I'm just not drafting them very much.
7:19Because I think that their upside is pretty limited.
7:22Um, and I end up gravitating more towards a bit of a riskier pick where whether that's Bayshel Tootin or maybe somebody
7:29like Cam Scadaboo, um, who I think have more upside.
7:32Um, I've got a tough time getting there with Brees Hall in this offense.
7:36Just for the record, since we're looking at career numbers, Gino is a career running back target rate of 17.6%.
7:42Certainly more of a downfield thrower than a check down guy.
7:46I think that hurts all the running backs in New York.
7:49And I think Isaiah Davis is going to be the passing downs back for the Jets.
7:54He was for a big chunk of last year.
7:57It is absolutely the tendency of Frank Reich to use multiple running backs, one on running downs, one on passing downs.
8:03And now Aaron Glenn wants him to use Braylon Allen as well.
8:07Could you imagine if Brees Hall is a trap back and that they use Allen who's bigger and more physical than Brees Hall at the goal line?
8:16And they use Isaiah Davis on passing downs and he's the one that's getting two and a half targets per game.
8:22And Brees Hall isn't it's coaching malpractice. And I agree with Heath that Brees Hall is absolutely talented.
8:28He's awesome as a pass catcher, but the coaching staff needs to like get hit upside the head and say, listen, man, you've got this talent.
8:36You just paid use them. If I'm drafting somebody in round three with the idea that they're going to get me 13
8:43PPR points per game, I think I'm drafting wrong.
8:45I'm looking for upside to do a lot better than 13 PPR points per game in round three.
8:51Okay. Also, just to the Braylon Allen point, the first four weeks, I think it was when Braylon Allen was healthy.
8:58He was averaging about 13 rush attempts and five targets per game.
9:01After Braylon Allen got hurt, the rush attempts went up to 16 per game.
9:06He fell down to two targets per game. So let's talk about Parker Washington and or Harold Fannin Jr.
9:12Dave, why is Harold Fannin Jr. your boom play?
9:14Harold Fannin is a boom because he was awesome last year.
9:18And even though the Browns drafted two wide receivers in the top 40, I don't think it's going to really pull too many targets away from him.
9:2611.7 PPR points per game on 6.7 targets per game.
9:29He really showed last year and Heath was first to talk about this with Harold Fannin, which is why I'm surprised that
9:36Heath is so low on Harold Fannin. He's really athletic and he proved it in college.
9:41He had the opportunity to do it early on in the year when David Njoka was healthy for the Browns and he
9:48really never let up on that role. Now you're telling me that, and I love Casey Concepcion, but you're telling me that
9:55Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston are going to completely suck away targets from Harold Fannin and leave Fannin with four targets per game.
10:02I don't think that that's likely at all. Deshaun Watson has a career target per career target rate to tight ends of 20.2%.
10:09It's actually 23.4% in his two years in Cleveland.
10:12If he's the guy, I don't mind him looking for Harold Fannin who probably knows exactly where he needs to be and
10:19can do something with the ball after the catch time and time again.
10:23And Todd Monken's track record with tight ends is actually really good.
10:27You go back to 2024 and 2025 with Baltimore, 30.2% tight end target rate under Todd Monken.
10:32It was 23.1% in 2023. Earlier than that in his career, it wasn't as good, but I think Monken has realized, especially
10:39for a quarterback that might need to be eased in to NFL action, or in the case of Shadur Sanders, a quarterback
10:46that's still working to find his way, that a tight end can be his best friend in the middle of the field.
10:53And he's got a great one in Harold Fannin.
10:55I see his ADP that this really baffled me on fantasy pros.
10:59His ADP is 103rd overall. That's an amazing value for somebody who could finish as a top five tight end.
11:05I got him at 95th overall. That's still really good.
11:08I would take him around six in full PPR.
11:11Yeah, tight end ADP is interesting on fantasy pros.
11:14It's like tight end six is Kyle Pitts at 92.
11:17Tight end seven is Laporta at 95. Tight end eight is Fannin also at 95.
11:22So tight end five is Kraft at 82. So it's a long wait after Warren.
11:27Warren at 64, and then it's like Kraft 82, and then you get into the mid 90s with Laporta, Fannin, and Pitts, Laporta, and Fannin.
11:34I love that value for all those guys. Yeah.
11:37So I thought I would be white on Fannin.
11:40I thought I was right in line. But at that range, I'm definitely comfortable taking a shot on Fannin.
11:46There's so many reasons to be concerned, obviously, about the Browns of it all.
11:50And then if you want, you know, the new pass catchers coming in might affect him.
11:55We might see some different types of personnel packages where he gets less playing time than last year.
12:01But at that range, it's pretty much just upside.
12:04And why I'm comfortable taking him is I really think he could be a special player.
12:09My favorite stat on Fannin, there's so many amazing stats that are just like, this guy looks like he could be historically
12:15good, is he tied Christian McCaffrey, rookie season Christian McCaffrey, for the most receptions with more than five yards gained after initial
12:22contact with a defender for any player under the age of 22 dating back to 2015.
12:27So that's 11 years of data that we have available there.
12:31Fannin and CMC tied at the very top above rookie season to Mark Chase, above rookie season Saquon Barkley, in terms of
12:38gains of five or more yards after initial contact.
12:40He's always fighting for more yards. He's so good, man.
12:43Yeah, you know, you mentioned the Deshaun Watson thing and him throwing to his tight ends.
12:48But it is worth noting, like, David Njoku was pretty horrible when Deshaun Watson was the quarterback.
12:54In three years, let's see, 387 routes, David Njoku averaged 1.22 yards per outrun with Deshaun Watson.
12:59That was one of the things is like Watson's tight end target rate looks okay in the league context and looks pretty miserable in the Stefanski context.
13:07He was kind of the one quarterback under Stefanski that did not elevate tight ends.
13:12And so I think part of it is I'm trying to be a little bit consistent in that if I think that
13:19Kevin Stefanski and Drew Petsig matter for Sam Laporta and Kyle Pitts, then I have to think that losing them matters a
13:26little bit for Trey McBride and Harold Fannin. I do think Concepcion and Boston make this receiving core, especially if Deshaun Watson's
13:33the quarterback, more appealing for quarterbacks to throw to.
13:35If Shadur wins this job in camp, then I'm going to give Fannin a boost because they've got that connection already.
13:42Shadur threw it to him 33% of the time last year.
13:45I do agree with everything Jacob said, obviously. I love Harold Fannin.
13:49I was like, bro, it's FOE. I feel like we're overthinking this.
13:53He's literally just by far the most talented player that you can get after pick 100.
13:58Who's even in that conversation? I don't have a problem with that pick 100.
14:02I'm not sure I see the boom. Is what I was saying.
14:06I think I probably would have had Harold Fannin as a white also.
14:10All right. We got to take a break and then we can talk about Parker Washington or we can move on to Heath's Red, White and Boom.
14:18And we'll be right back. And also, I see some people talking about soccer in the chat.
14:24You know, soccer, you were doing so well. You were doing so well.
14:28And then every time, you know, you just remind us of something within you that is so stupid.
14:33Idiot soccer. Parker, we'll be right back on fantasy football today.
14:37You know, we watch. I'm not going to ever call you football.
14:41If you want me to think about calling you football, then you need to man up and watch actual football where guys
14:47are beating the crap out of each other and maybe getting a penalty, but not getting kicked out of a game.
14:54And not able to be replaced and then suspended for the next game because they accidentally stepped on someone's ankle.
15:00Are you kidding me? Like the whole red card thing is so punitive and so unfair.
15:05You want to kick a guy out of a game?
15:08Fine. Let them replace the guy. Playing 10 on 11 is such a stupid rule.
15:13It just changes the game so drastically. And if that's going to be the end result, and it's not like I just learned this yesterday, by the way.
15:22I knew the red card rule. But if that's going to be the end result, you better really do something bad to get a red card.
15:30And he did not do anything even close to something that would warrant getting kicked out of the game, not being able
15:37to be replaced for the rest of the game, and being suspended for at least one more game.
15:42In what is now one of the most important games in U.S.
15:46soccer history, and they don't have arguably their best player because he accidentally stepped on someone's ankle.
15:51What a joke. You are soccer. You are not football.
15:54Football is a real man's game. Wow. USA. USA.
15:57Said by a man wearing a red, white, and blue star.
16:01I think that's kind of the argument from football fans, though, is that you guys just should have chosen a different name
16:08because you created something different from our sport. You're right.
16:11They're not the same thing. But it's not like soccer is trying to call themselves football because of what football is, and they want to be like that.
16:19No. Soccer already was football. You're picking the wrong part of the argument here.
16:24Forget about the football semantics. That was so weak and so lame.
16:27It was a terrible call by the referee. I would imagine he would try and take it back or at least think about taking it back.
16:36He didn't make the call. It was the video.
16:38It was the review guy. That's the person who would probably wish they could take it back.
16:44I just don't. I mean, I'm not a soccer guy.
16:47None of us are. But I do think that stepping with your cleats on the player's Achilles nowhere close to the ball
16:54while challenging is quite often a red card. Yeah, but use your judgment.
16:58He obviously didn't do it on purpose. They were battling for position, and he just came down that way.
17:04And also, I just don't – I do not understand the concept of not letting them replace the player.
17:09Oh, I thought the 10 v 11 was like what made that game so great.
17:14No. Like it was going to be a really boring second half.
17:18And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, it might actually be a game.
17:23It's a dumb rule. Could you imagine that in the NFL?
17:26In any sport. Yeah. It's insane. It can happen in basketball, I think, if too many people fell out.
17:32It happened in Hoosiers. Whatever. They had six guys on their team.
17:36My four are on the floor. My four are on the floor.
17:39That's great. And I think he had a guy he could have played.
17:43Yeah. He was disciplining his own player by not allowing him to come back in.
17:48Very different scenario here. All right. Sorry. In order for this show to move on here, anybody with a strong opinion on – nobody agrees with Heath.
17:57Get out of here. By the way, I have some video evidence today of an NFL player strongly disagreeing with Heath that we're going to show later on.
18:05Do they know what I said? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
18:08Anyway, Parker Washington. That's fun. Yeah. Let's go over to Heath.
18:12Let's go over to Heath's red, white, and boom here.
18:15We'll talk about Parker Washington on a different show.
18:18I'm sorry about that. Heath, who do you have as – Ten minutes on soccer.
18:22Zero minutes on Parker Washington. Who do you – it's topical.
18:26Who do you have as red, white, and boom?
18:29Boom. So I went with a round five theme.
18:31Chose three players from the same round for a red, white, and boom.
18:35My red will surprise no one. It's Mike Evans.
18:38I'm at 54th overall, I believe. Although I'm not sure because you also put 54th overall for Quenchaun Judkins, and I don't
18:45think they're being picked with the same pick. Quenchaun Judkins is – 53 and a half and 54.
18:51Okay. Quenchaun Judkins is my boom at RB23 and 54 overall, and Roma Dunze is my white at 58th overall.
18:57Okay. So Evans too early. Roma Dunze just right.
19:00Quenchaun Judkins, boom. Great value. Could smash expectations. Yeah.
19:03Do we have these screenshots here of – all right, listen.
19:06I want to show you Mike Evans running some routes.
19:09Last game of the year. Okay. Look how open he's getting, and he knows you're dogging him.
19:14So he's going – Oh, does he? Yeah, he knows, man.
19:18Look, it's in the – these are quotes. I didn't make these up.
19:22It says, sup, Heath. I'm wide open. Look at me just abusing this guy for a 13-yard game.
19:27Okay, let's get to the next screenshot. Look how open he – he gets a pass interference on him, and he still
19:34beats the guy for a big game, and he knew.
19:37He goes, no way tomato is your favorite fruit, Heath.
19:41That makes no sense. He knows your terrible takes, Heath.
19:44Okay. All right, so he's open here. Same game.
19:46How do you like me now, Heath? This is just screenshots of Mike Evans getting open, still being good.
19:52Baker Mayfield threw an interception on this play, by the way.
19:56So this was just me having a little fun.
19:59But Evans – I believe he was wide receiver one in fantasy point status charting for separation last year.
20:05Wow. Yeah, well, and they saw the quotes, too.
20:07They know what's up. Anyway, go ahead. So, well, Jacob and Dave, what do you strongly agree or disagree with here?
20:14Pump the brakes on Mike Evans. Evans just right for Romo Dunze.
20:18Boom pick for Quinchon Judkins. They're all going around 55th overall.
20:21I strongly disagree on Evans. He's one of a handful of receivers who I have, like, way above consensus among my top
20:2830, with Parker Washington being one of the others, too.
20:31So Fantasy Pro shows you, like, plus or minus relative to consensus.
20:35They're both plus five. I've got Evans at wide receiver 20.
20:38I think that, you know, obviously the upside is clear with Kyle Shanahan.
20:42But if you want more detail on that, Dan Schneier and I did about a 15-minute breakdown on Beyond the Box score,
20:49like an individual video on Evans that goes into all the historical context and just how good it could be.
20:55Dave, anything from you? I just don't love the fact that a 33-year-old receiver with a history of hamstring issues is now
21:02going to be relied upon in this 49ers offense to stay healthy.
21:06I think he's a great fit for that offense based on his route running.
21:10You're banking on him being – you're banking on him having a bounce back here.
21:15He had one game all year with 15-plus PPR in 2025.
21:18So I'm really hoping that he can step up in a major way and stay on the field and be that number one alpha for the 49ers.
21:27They haven't had that guy at wide receiver in a while unless there's somebody I'm just totally blanking on who's been that guy for them.
21:35Dave, where do you think Baker Mayfield ranked on catchable target rate out of 39 qualified quarterbacks on throws of 10 or more air yards last year?
21:43Probably dead last. Beat to hell. Shadr Sanders was dead last.
21:46Oh, you know what? That makes sense. So he was probably second.
21:50Yeah, 34th. Okay. Okay. That's, you know, I didn't expect Baker to be good.
21:55Also, I – how many of those games – it doesn't even matter who the hell cares how many games Evans played.
22:01I think everybody knows what the red flags are with him.
22:05And taking him – I'm a little behind ADP on Evans just because I don't want to spend a top 50-ish pick
22:12on somebody who I might have for 11 or fewer games and who might not see even like any improvement in target volume in San Francisco.
22:20So he might fit into the offense great, but he might also only give us five games next year of like 14 plus PPR.
22:27I guess – no, that's not even okay. I'm not okay with that in round five.
22:32I was going to pick Romo Dunze as well, Heath, as the white suggestion here, the just right ADP.
22:38And I need there to be enough separation between him and Luther Burden to justify passing on Luther Burden.
22:44And I think it's probably about 15 picks or so.
22:47It's getting close. Yeah, obviously the whole foot thing is concerning.
22:51You said the new normal for him is the bones in his foot have shifted and he has to kind of get used to it.
22:58But wide receiver 29 for Romo Dunze who just got off to a brilliant start last year and had a – I
23:05think it was a 23% target share in his first 12 games.
23:09So, yeah. Anyway, discuss. Yeah, I think for Romo, this just feels like the good middle point between this guy with very
23:16good pedigree, a very good offensive system, and a huge target opportunity.
23:20And also this guy who – maybe it was just – he got hurt, obviously.
23:24But the things kind of went downhill before he got hurt last year.
23:28And honestly, his first two years in the league, if you just look at it in a vacuum, it's a pretty miserable start.
23:35He's just not been what we were hoping he would be.
23:39He and Caleb cannot get on the same page.
23:42He's barely caught half of his targets in his first two years in the league.
23:46And some of that's not his fault. Some of it's Caleb's fault because Caleb kind of sprays the ball a little bit.
23:53But still, Caleb Williams also has great pedigree, could take a leap at any moment.
23:58And Romo Dunze could be his number one wide receiver.
24:01So this is kind of that – there's a low floor.
24:04There's a high ceiling. Round five feels right about right.
24:08I think what's something that people might forget, including myself, is that – you look at the first 12 games of the year.
24:15Odunze had a 23.7% target share. D.J. Moore had a 16.6% target share.
24:19Olamide Zaccheaus, who is no longer on the team, had a 14.2% target share.
24:23So that was another guy who was getting a decent amount of targets.
24:27He was on pace for 77 targets in those 12 games.
24:31Of course, Burden and Loveland weren't doing much. But one thing that I like about Odunze, and he's going to have to
24:37score touchdowns because Heath mentioned his catch rate. His catch rate's around 50% each of the first two years.
24:43He's a high A dot guy. Also a good yak, so that's cool.
24:47He's good at yards per catch. He has the ninth most end zone targets per game of any wide receiver over the last two years.
24:55And the guys ahead of Odunze are Adams, Evans, Marvin Harrison Jr., Deontay Johnson, weird, Justin Jefferson, George Pickens, Jamar Chase.
25:02And he's tied with Drake London. Eighth most end zone wide targets per game.
25:06That's just – that's Caleb's guy. Has been Caleb's guy in the end zone.
25:10But Judkins is your boom. Yeah, I think we talked about this on a show a couple weeks ago or earlier this week maybe.
25:18And just like the two second-year running backs that are coming back from major injuries and where they're currently being drafted.
25:24And Scadaboo is like a round and a half, two rounds ahead of Judkins.
25:29I still think Judkins is a better rusher. And I think that this is still going to be a very good defense in Cleveland.
25:36And if Todd Monken has – and one of the other reasons I'm a little bit concerned about Harold Fannin is I
25:43think if Todd Monken has a choice in a game and it stays competitive, we're probably going to get at least a 50% rush rate.
25:51And they showed last year they believe you can lean on Quinchon Judkins in the run game.
25:56I'm hopeful the offensive line – there's at least reason to hope the offensive line could be a little bit better than it was last year.
26:04That's not a guarantee with the changes that they made.
26:07And he absolutely has a chance to score 10-plus touchdowns every year.
26:11They added a fullback in Mike Burton. That's a signal that they want to run the ball more.
26:17They're going to put a fullback on the field.
26:20I think they love what they've done with their offensive line this offseason.
26:24And yes, you're right. You can't guarantee that it's going to be better, but it's going to be really hard to be
26:30as bad as it was last year between all the injuries and bad play that they had.
26:36I think the Browns deserve props for improving their offensive line.
26:39And you are right. I think that if it's a close game late, you will see a much closer to 50-50 pass
26:46run rate from the Browns versus when they're down 10 points in the fourth quarter and they just have to let it rip through there.
26:54I think there's almost no way it can be as bad as it was last year to your point about the offensive
27:01line, if I can share my screen here. Ashton Jinty only averaged .06 yards before contact per rush.
27:06That's something that we point towards a lot as like, wow, he really had it tough last year.
27:12It's going to be better this year, hopefully under Clint Kubiak, with the Linderbaum addition and everything, should be better for the Raiders, right?
27:19.06 or no, 0.6, ranked 115th out of 115 qualifiers dating back to 2012.
27:24If you lower the qualification to 150 or more rushes in a season, Junkins ranks dead last out of 250.
27:30He averaged .4 yards before contact per rush last year.
27:33Insane. I did a behind-the-boxer profile on him and I'm like, this guy is so good.
27:38He really might be the best running back from this class.
27:42And I still don't know if it's going to matter.
27:45I still don't know if it's going to matter.
27:47Like, I'm not drafting him anywhere. I hate it.
27:50Oh, wow. When would you draft him, Jacob? When would I draft him?
27:54Yeah, what round? Like, I'm okay with him in round four.
27:58Yeah. He reminds me of Tedrow McMillan. Um, so it's like, I don't think it's a bad pick necessarily.
28:04I feel a little bit more comfortable with McMillan because he doesn't have the serious injury that he's recovering from.
28:10Um, but I think most likely this is a young dependable stud who you're going to be okay with most weeks, even though the offense is not good.
28:19But I do worry a lot about what his realistic ceiling is, which is why I was interested to hear what Heath's
28:25case was for him being like the boom player.
28:28Um, just because I think the offensive environment is just so limiting.
28:32Um, so again, it's, it's kind of like, um, Brees Hall.
28:35Um, really there's to me, there's four running backs who stand out as similar and you could throw scatterboo into this.
28:42Um, but I think his role just as a receiver and a red zone threat is a little bit unique, but there's
28:49four running backs who stand out as very similar.
28:52We know, or we feel very convicted that they're supremely talented players, but we're very worried about their offense being like the worst in the whole league.
29:00And what do you do with them for fantasy?
29:03And that's Devon HN, Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall and Quenjohn Junkins.
29:06I have them ranked in that order. Um, but the fact that Junkins is like well below them in terms of cost,
29:13I think is relevant, you know, cause he really might be near that group in terms of talent level.
29:19And if things are just a little bit better in year two, then we could see this 18, 20 touches per game be pretty good for fantasy still.
29:28I think. Yeah. It just, he, you know, he doesn't really catch passes or he didn't last year anyway.
29:34Yeah. I think a little bit better with Shadur Sanders, but I don't know, Heath, have you mentioned about, uh, Judkins?
29:40He has on paper, the easiest, well, the Browns have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
29:45Yeah. I think, I mean, I felt better about this take before the miles Garrett trade, even though I think the Browns
29:52made a very good trade with the miles Garrett trade.
29:55But I, I, before that, I thought, you know, they're, they're probably going to be more competitive than people think they are.
30:02Not because the offense is good. It still could be one of the worst offenses, but I think it's, it's more difficult
30:09for it to be one of the worst offenses if they stay in games and just give it to Judkins 22 times a game.
30:16All right. They're just going to keep getting first downs.
30:19Jacob, you are up. Jacob, why don't you start out?
30:23Tell us what's coming up on beyond the box score.
30:26Sure. Yeah. Thanks. Um, beyond the box score, uh, we've got right now we're really focused on, all these player profiles.
30:32So, um, we're looking at some of the more polarizing players heading into 2026, um, whether that's these year two players like Jenkins or, um, Harold Fennin Jr.
30:41Where we don't really know quite what to make of them next year.
30:45Um, and we've got some profiles out on them.
30:48So you can like binge all this, dig into all of this, um, throughout the season if you want.
30:54Um, and, and, or this draft season, if you want find all that on beyond the box score.
30:59Um, today, Dan Schneier and I are wearing tank tops and we're going to talk about the most underrated wide receivers.
31:06So that's just kind of a for fun show, but we've got a lot of great guests coming on to help us out.
31:13Um, get y'all ready for draft season for sure.
31:16One of them was rich rebar who just does awesome, awesome work.
31:20And I've got some cool stats from rich that I want to share with you in reference to my first red player here, which is Trey McBride.
31:28Uh, which I don't like. Cause I think Trey McBride, we talk about talent.
31:32Like he's one of the most talented players in the league for sure.
31:36Um, I've got him at tight in three. I am drafting Colson Loveland ahead of him.
31:41Not that you ever have to make that decision.
31:44Um, but I'm, I'm quite nervous about McBride. I thought that Heath's points about Sam Laporta potentially outscoring McBride makes a lot of sense.
31:52I think that that's totally realistic. Um, I wanted to talk about that.
31:56You, you mentioned the three tight end usage, um, in from your, your conversation with Ryan Heath about like Vlad McConkie being the next Jackson Smith and Jigba.
32:04And how that personnel package type stuff could benefit him with Mike McDaniel coming over.
32:09So it's not that additional tight ends on the field necessarily boosts any specific position.
32:14Um, it's more so that just having tight ends or full, it's really simple.
32:18Like having tight ends or fullbacks on the field instead of receivers boosts the best players.
32:23Um, not only are those players less likely to draw targets in terms of fullbacks, second and third tight ends and stuff like that.
32:31Um, but also those bigger personnel packages are more likely to sell to a defense that a run might be coming.
32:37And so the, the best play callers, the guys who are really using this well, whether that's Sean McVay or Ben Johnson or low key drew petzing.
32:46I really think is underrated. If you want to listen to that play callers episode that we just did with retriever, we talked about petzing a lot.
32:54I think Detroit's offense is going to set the league on fire sidebar.
32:58Like I, I think that they, it's just going to be insane this year.
33:02Um, it boosts the best players. I think that's a way to sell the run and then get play action looks, get
33:09under center passing, get all this, this kind of, uh, efficiency boosting stuff where you can get your best players in advantageous matchups.
33:16And so last year we saw McBride had a ton of production from these personnel packages.
33:21Only Pukanuku had more receptions from three tight end sets than Trey McBride.
33:25He had a 33% target per route run rate from those personnel packages.
33:29Um, the stat that I think is, that's just a small little thing that I wanted to bring in, in reference to that conversation y'all had.
33:38The, the stat that's more meaningful, I think is just the raw number of routes that Trey McBride ran.
33:43This is from Rich Rebar. Trey McBride ran 694 routes last year, which is 121 more than the next closest tight end.
33:50It's the most routes run by a tight end in the true media database.
33:55The previous high was 623. McBride had 694. The average tight end runs about 32 routes per game per Rich's research.
34:01So basically McBride ran 22 games worth of routes last year, which is just not replicable.
34:06Like all the Arizona stuff is clearly not replicable.
34:09Like, but that in particular, like just the raw volume, it was just busted.
34:13That's not, I mean, everyone else is running 17 games worth of routes and he ran 22.
34:19But what if they go to the Super Bowl?
34:21Maybe they will. So like, uh, Heath brought up like the per route stuff for McBride really doesn't look that special last year.
34:29And that's just true. Like, and it makes sense in an offense.
34:32That's not that good. Not that efficient overall. You aren't going to be able to produce elite efficiency most of the time.
34:39And so if the total volume number comes down and he doesn't somehow increase that efficiency in a big way, which I
34:46don't think that he's that type of a player because the tight ends who typically get to elite efficiency that aren't able
34:53to do it like because of their team are guys who are winning down the field or creating tons of yards after the catch.
35:00McBride doesn't necessarily do either of those things. He's more of an accumulator.
35:04He gets a lot of short targets. And so I am, I'm pretty nervous about what it's going to look like this year.
35:12And I think there are clear paths to more upside with some of the other tight ends around him, even though we
35:18might be a little bit safer than somebody like Colson Loveland or Sam Laporta.
35:23I could see either of those guys outscoring him easily.
35:26All right. We got to take a break here.
35:29So red, white, and boom for Jacob. Red is Trey McBride.
35:32White and boom. We'll find out after this on FFT.
35:35All righty. My, my white is Kenneth Walker. Um, and I'm really curious to get your guys' take on this.
35:42I'm with some early round players. I haven't got a chance to talk about Walker much this off season.
35:47Um, but if you do want to watch a profile, um, he's one of the first ones that we did.
35:54One of these individual profiles way back, um, in the free agency period was Kenneth Walker.
35:59Uh, the obvious appeal with Walker is explosive plays.
36:01Um, and that's really come through in an impressive way.
36:05So he ranks running back 23 in explosive plays per game through an initial four seasons dating back to 2000, which puts
36:11him in a range with some really, really good players.
36:15Like just the head of Sean Alexander, Brian Westbrook.
36:17And that's while splitting a backfield for a lot of that time.
36:21Um, we, we know how good the explosive play potential is and could be in this Kansas city backfield where teams play the past.
36:29That's how it's been for a long time. Um, what I want to talk about is can he potentially increase like the consistency?
36:36And I'm really curious to get Heath's perspective on this specifically as a cheese fan.
36:40So I'm tying this to Eric B enemy. And so if you look at, I dug into all this in this player
36:47profile, we want to get all the specific information.
36:50The golden era of like the Andy Reed run game came under Eric B enemy.
36:55And specifically they had this 2021 team that was insanely efficient.
36:58It was a 54% success rate, which is the third highest mark of any team over the past five seasons on running back runs.
37:06And 70% of the runs gained positive yards before initial contact.
37:09The league average last year was 55%. 70% is the highest of any team during the time I have that data available dating back to 2017.
37:17Heath, do you remember who the running backs were in the 2021 Kansas city chiefs backfield?
37:22Oh man. I wish that you hadn't, um, or you should have asked me at like one sentence earlier because I actually,
37:29while you were talking was like, well, who was the 21, 21 chiefs running back?
37:34And I had already pulled it up. Daryl Williams, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, and Derek Gore jr.
37:39Are the running backs you're not remembering from this 54% success rate team.
37:43I really think B enemy is good at this specifically.
37:46Another area I would point to is Deandre Swift's transformation last year.
37:50So next gen stats has some interesting ways to contextualize what's happening in the running back position.
37:55One of those stats is the efficiency of movement.
37:58So like the amount of space that's covered, it's basically, are they getting vertical?
38:02Um, the amount of space that's covered to get yards basically.
38:05And Swift was the third least efficient in this metric in 2024.
38:09And then in 2025, he was well above the league average in this metric.
38:14So huge change there. Another set they have is yards over expectation.
38:17And Swift was dead last in the percentage of his runs that gained positive yards over expectation in 2024.
38:23And then in 2025, he was first in the league.
38:26And that's really unusual for him. He's kind of been like a Kenneth Walker type where he's like more boom bust.
38:33And then last year we saw him be like Mr.
38:36Consistent. And I think a lot of people would just say, well, yeah, Ben Johnson.
38:41Ben Johnson does the run installs. We've seen him with Ben Johnson before.
38:45You know, this is the first time we ever saw him with Biennemi.
38:49And he looked completely different. And so I'm wondering like what could Biennemi do for Kenneth Walker, who's been one of the
38:56most effective running backs in the NFL when given at least one yard before contact.
39:006.5 yards per rush last year when given at least one yard before contact.
39:05Only Devon Achan had a higher explosive run rate on these runs where there was at least one yard before initial contact with the defender.
39:12The Chiefs have been very good at creating these types of runs.
39:16And I think that has something to do with the way defenses play them.
39:21But also there's a lot of talent on that offensive line.
39:24So I'm really excited for Walker. And I want to hear Heath's thoughts on Eric Biennemi and then all of you if this tracks.
39:31No, I think the stuff you brought about Swift and improving that is really applicable because you're right.
39:37They have early in his career, Swift was more of a Kenneth Walker style home run or two yard loss.
39:43And so I think he could have that same type of positive impact on Ken Walker and he could get more consistent
39:50as a rusher and could have a very effective season.
39:53I think my two questions don't have much to do with the rushing.
39:57It's what's his role in the passing game to be because I don't think Eric Biennemi, when he was there in the
40:04past, the Chiefs really threw to the running back a lot.
40:08And I don't think Walker's probably going to be the third down or two minute drill running back.
40:13And then I don't think anybody's taking red zone rush attempts from him in terms of a running back.
40:19But do the Chiefs continue to do all the Patrick Mahomes stuff they've historically done in the red zone, which really limits
40:26those carries inside the 10 yard line for their lead running back?
40:30But I am I think the stuff you brought up on on Biennemi is really good and makes me more optimistic about him as a rusher.
40:38I think it's worth pointing out that Swift, your one with the Bears had a really bad offensive line.
40:44And then in that offseason, they went out and massively upgraded.
40:47And I think the Seahawks offensive line did well last year and stayed healthy.
40:51But it's just you already mentioned it. The Chiefs, especially on the interior, are really good.
40:56This is such a great setup. I mean, Jamie has him eighth at running back.
41:01So Heath and Dave are more like 12 and 13, I think.
41:05But what is his fantasy pros ADP? RB10. 16th overall, RB10.
41:08So right in the middle of where we all.
41:11You have him 10th, Jacob? He's my white player.
41:14Yeah, I've got him at running back 11. I've got him behind Henry and A-Chan.
41:19I think I might move him ahead of A-Chan potentially.
41:22But yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this up.
41:25It's because I've got all these reasons to think that he could be this boom player.
41:30But for the reasons Heath brought up with the role, uncertainty, transitioning over to a new team.
41:35And also, he's got to prove it. I think that he could do this stuff.
41:40I think Bien-Ami can help him. But at the same time, he ranks freaking 51st in rush success rate among running backs since entering the NFL.
41:48Out of 54 qualifiers. And a lot of that has to do with offensive line and stuff.
41:53But Zach Sharbner ranks in the top 20. Playing behind the same offensive line.
41:57Like, a lot of that is Kenneth Walker. I love the guy to death.
42:02All the advanced stats in terms of avoided taxes and stuff are fun.
42:06But like, he's got to be consistent. Let me ask you a question.
42:10We're talking about success rate. Define success rate. And then, you know, isn't it possible that Sharbner can be a more consistent runner, have higher success rate?
42:18But Kenneth Walker is the guy who can break off the 50-yard run.
42:22And he can do that twice a year. He can have four runs of 30 yards or more or something like that.
42:29And even though on a carry-by-carry basis, it's frustrating.
42:32The success rate might not reflect it. But the production could still be there because he has that elite speed.
42:38For sure. But I do think we've seen him lose touches throughout his NFL career.
42:43And I think that this could have something to do with it.
42:47Is that he might be a frustrating player for coaches a little bit.
42:51Yeah. But yeah, success rate is on first or second down, if a player gains half of the yard is required to first down.
42:58So if it's second and eight, if they gain four or more yards, that's a success.
43:03On third or fourth down, if they gain a first down, that's a success.
43:08And yeah, there are completely different types of players.
43:10The explosives from Walker definitely make him worth getting on the field.
43:14But Charbonnet, I went into this on the Kenneth Walker breakdown on that video.
43:18Charbonnet was one of the few running backs in the league last year who, if you look at their runs where they
43:25were hit at or behind the line of scrimmage, he actually gained positive yards.
43:30And Walker did not. So it's like Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Robinson.
43:33There's very few of these running backs who are able to do it.
43:37And Charbonnet was one of them. He's very, very good at that.
43:41Okay. All right. Boom! Who's your boom player? And I agree with it 100%.
43:45It's a great call. Good job. And by the way, I think you were the most critical of me when I took A.J.
43:52Brown like 16th overall or something like that in a recent draft.
43:56I think that that might be you being a little sensitive and taking that personally because I didn't say anything critical.
44:03I said, wow. I was just surprised. I thought it was cool.
44:06A.J. Brown is my boom. And yes, since Adam Mazur took him in the first round, I have been rapidly approaching that level of enthusiasm.
44:14No, I didn't take him in the first round.
44:17I took him at the one-two turn. Not quite.
44:20Let me see. I think I got the June 2026.
44:23I feel like it was like a top 16.
44:26I took him in fifth pick. So that's 13th, 14th, 15th, 17th overall.
44:30Okay. Yeah. I'm there. I'm considering moving A.J. Brown ahead of Drake London.
44:34I'm considering moving him ahead of Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins for sure.
44:38I think that's where I'm approaching with A.J. Brown.
44:40I think there's tons of reasons to be optimistic.
44:43And I'm going to try not to just ramble for 10 minutes here.
44:47If at any point you want to get into this conversation, please do.
44:51Because there's a lot to think about with A.J.
44:54Brown. But really, it could just be as simple as like, A.J.
44:58Brown's really good. Drake May's really good. Josh McDaniels is good at what he does.
45:03This could be awesome. So A.J. Brown isn't going to like find himself in who's this year's Jackson Smith and Jigba discussions
45:09because he's not an early career receiver. But he really does fit like the exact criteria that Ryan Heath laid out with
45:16Vlad McConkie when he came on your guys show and talked about McConkie as this year's JSN.
45:22He leaves a heavy three receiver set and heavy shotgun style offense to play with the Patriots, which are one of 10
45:28teams with a sub 50% rate of three receiver sets in 2025.
45:32New England ranked eighth in under center dropbacks and ninth in under center play action dropbacks.
45:37I'm focused on under center dropbacks because they are efficiency boosting plays.
45:41And A.J. Brown is just one year removed from averaging three yards per out run in a shotgun heavy offense.
45:47And so, like, if you split it out and I did an episode with Ben Gretch on this, if you want to
45:54check out the former CBS legend, Ben Gretch and I just getting super, super nerdy and deep into the weeds on per route data.
46:01All of this personnel stuff really, really affects it.
46:04And some of these players get boosted in a significant way by playing in more, you know, big personnel under center play action heavy offenses.
46:12That's what we saw early in A.J. Brown's career in Tennessee in Philadelphia.
46:16It wasn't really the case. And still, he averaged over three yards per out run just one year ago.
46:22He's one of nine receivers with a single season yard per out run rate above three during the time that I have that data available.
46:30That's 2019, 1225. And that was with the Eagles just one year ago.
46:34I think people like don't remember how good that season was, I guess, and are like nervous that he's dropped off.
46:40But like, I don't know, man. Again, he's wide receiver three in yards per out run during his time in the NFL behind only Pukanuku and Tyreek Hill.
46:49And he's wide receiver one from under center specifically.
46:52Again, he didn't get very many of those opportunities with the Eagles, but 4.4 yards per out run from under center throughout his career.
46:59Pukanuku is next at 4.3. And then there's a massive drop off Nico Collins at 3.7.
47:04I really think AJ Brown might be just one of the best players in the league and we don't really know it
47:11because he's always been in low volume offenses. So I want to dig a little bit deeper with the per out data.
47:18I want to talk about stuff on digs. Digs last year was.
47:22This is what I said the day after that draft.
47:25I, I, I, I came on the show and Heath wasn't on the show.
47:29Um, but you know, I know you can make the argument.
47:33They really spread the ball out in new England, but they didn't when Stefan digs was on the field.
47:39He just wasn't on the field that much, but he got a ton of targets.
47:43So I was target per out run rate was like top eight.
47:47He was top 10 in almost every like valuable metric basically.
47:50Uh, sorry. Stefan digs was pretty much, pretty much top 10 and all of the per opportunity basis.
47:56Yeah. I'm at my fault. He was, he was 20th in target per out run rate, 24.4%.
48:01But the other stuff yards per out run first down rate.
48:05Um, he was really high. Okay, go ahead. And when he got to be on the field in a full-time role, it didn't drop off at all.
48:13So sometimes like Keenan Allen, for example, they get this really high per route production, but that's because they're coming on to
48:20do specific stuff and they're targeted on those plays.
48:23Diggs just was in a part-time role, I think, cause he's old.
48:27Um, so he was wide receiver 10 in fantasy points per run in this new England offense last year.
48:32And that was with only four touchdowns and still was wide receiver 10 in fantasy points per run.
48:38He had a thousand yards in this part-time role, 68% route share for Stefan digs last year and still a thousand yards
48:45on a property on a per opportunity basis. He was top 10.
48:49I think AJ Brown is better than Stefan digs.
48:51Um, and I think he's going to play more and I think he's going to score more.
48:57So digs had a 19% red zone share and an only 8% of the end zone targets for the Patriots last year,
49:04he played 17 games at 8% of the end zone targets.
49:07AJ Brown has a freaking 34% career rate when it comes to like end zone targets in games that he's played.
49:14That rate has never been below 21% this season.
49:16That was his rookie season when it was 21%.
49:19His red zone target shares as a member of the Eagles have been 24%, 27%, 31%, 34%.
49:24Diggs is rate was 19%. I think AJ Brown is an alpha in a way that digs isn't really.
49:30And he has like no target competition on this team.
49:34Like what's really crazy about the Eagles rates and how high they are, which is basically like league high numbers is he's
49:40playing alongside Devante Smith, who I think pretty much all of us agree is like a top at worst, like a top
49:4715 wide receiver town in the league, like a legitimate, like potential wide receiver, one type of talent.
49:53And still AJ Brown is completely dominating all these target shares.
49:56And now he goes to the Patriots and it's like who Romeo Dobbs, like Romeo Dobbs is a good player.
50:02He was an important, reliable player for the Packers.
50:05He topped out at 21% in terms of target per outrun rate across his four seasons with the Packers.
50:11It was always between 19 and 21%. I think we know who he is.
50:16Dobbs is a competent X receiver who can work down the field and open things up for the better catch and run players.
50:23We've seen Jane Reed, Tucker craft, Christian Watson, all of those guys put up really good numbers on a per opportunity basis.
50:30Cause I do think they benefit from playing alongside him.
50:33He's an ideal wide receiver team. And he's just good enough to get the defense's respect.
50:38Not good enough to make his quarterback lock in on him.
50:41I think we know who the quarterback is going to be locked in on as long as he can stay healthy.
50:48It's it's AJ Brown clearly. And so the last thing I would throw in here is I did an episode with Ryan
50:55Heath recently on beyond the box score where we talked about which stats matter in terms of predicting future fantasy scoring.
51:01Ryan digs into all of the previous year's data and then how strongly it correlated to the next year's fantasy points.
51:08And some really interesting things stood out to me in doing that exercise.
51:12First of which was that first read target rate correlates more strongly with future fantasy point production than actual target rate.
51:18The next two are both about first downs first down per route run rate correlates more strongly than yard per route run rate.
51:25And I think yard per route run rate is generally thought of as like the best receiver stat or one of the best receiver stats.
51:33Just total first downs correlates more strongly than fantasy points per game.
51:37And it, you, I mean, Heath definitely knows this from doing projections and stuff like you pretty much, you pretty much can't beat fantasy points per game.
51:45Like if you just look at last year's fantasy points per game, that's pretty instructive.
51:50You're probably going to do a really good job of just like predicting what's going to happen the next year for the most part.
51:57Just getting first downs, total first downs correlated more strongly.
52:01And if you look at age of Brown, he's been one of the absolute best in the league at creating first downs during his time in the league.
52:09And then he also has these massive first retarget shares again, playing with Devante Smith at a 42% first retarget rate in
52:162024, which was just behind Malik neighbors who was on a giants team that had no one else.
52:22It was my neighbors at 42.8% AJB at 42.1%.
52:25The next highest was Drake London at 35%. Even last year, he was seventh in the league, higher than Trey McBride, higher
52:31than Chris Alave, higher than say flowers or guys who were clearly the top option in their offense.
52:37And AJ Brown had a 35% first retarget rate while playing alongside Devante Smith.
52:41So we're one year removed from wide receiver one in the whole league types of rates from AJ Brown.
52:47And now he gets to play with less target competition than ever before with by far the best passer he's ever played
52:54with in a high scoring and pass heavy offense.
52:57Like unless he's total dust or gets hurt, I think he easily is a strong bet to lead the wide receiver position in scoring.
53:04Hmm. I don't know about leading the position in scoring, but I'm very comfortable with where I drafted him and using taking him over Jefferson is pretty interesting.
53:13Um, definitely could see it. Heath, you've been sort of, uh, cautious with AJ Brown.
53:18Any, any changes in your muted? No, I, um, listen, I, I have been cautious.
53:22I think I've got him, I've got him in round three now.
53:26Um, I hope he's still AJ Brown. I think all the things about Jacob talking about how good AJ Brown was.
53:33And I do think you have to say was because he wasn't last year.
53:37Um, is it's just like you, you hope that he's still the same guy and that the knee is okay.
53:43It's kind of, I was thinking about how he's kind of Mike Evans adjacent.
53:48He's four years younger, so it's not the same argument, but it's older wide receiver who has some injury questions going to
53:55a new team that has not recently been very high in wide receiver targets.
53:59Um, yeah, there's, there's differences to Brown's better than Mike Evans and Brown's younger than Mike Evans.
54:04Um, I do, I do worry about the knee and worry about the health and worry if he's still quite the same guy.
54:11And yeah, just hold on because I think AJ, you're right.
54:15In one sense, like there was a report for what it's worth, a report by Jeff McLean of the Philadelphia inquirer said
54:22the Rams were interested in AJ Brown, but they were not satisfied with his medicals.
54:26And he also said, McLean said that the knee was part of the reason that the Eagles didn't get more for AJ
54:33Brown because people, he went, he went for a 20, 27, fifth round pick and a 20, 28, first round pick.
54:40And people thought that was underpaying or a good value for AJ Brown.
54:44So I think that's really important to know that he might have a knee issue here.
54:49All right, we got to, let's move on to, um, to me.
54:52Yay. Red, white and boom. Red has pumped the brakes going a little too early.
54:57White is perfect draft value and boom is going to exceed that draft value and maybe win your league.
55:03All right. Red, Caleb Williams. He is QB six, 72nd overall.
55:07I love Caleb Williams. I really want to get Caleb Williams going into the off season.
55:11I thought this is a guy I'm going to target.
55:15Maybe he'll be somewhere around 90th overall. Something like that.
55:18No, he's QB six and he's 72nd overall. He's 23 picks ahead of Brock Purdy.
55:22Brock Purdy has finished as a top six quarterback in two of his last three seasons on a per game basis.
55:29He's 24 picks ahead of Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford won the MVP last year and was, I think QB two per game.
55:36Um, right up there. He's a 24 picks also ahead of Patrick Mahomes and Jackson Dart.
55:41So I love Caleb Williams. He could be better than all of them.
55:45I would rank him ahead of all of them.
55:48I'm not willing to take him two rounds earlier than all of those guys.
55:52You know, that would be Purdy Stafford, Mahomes Dart, not to mention Trevor Lawrence is in that mix.
55:58There's just such good quarterback value that I think while I do like, uh, Caleb a lot, I don't think he should
56:04be basically in his own tier ahead of all those other guys.
56:08White. So the, the right ADP is T Higgins 38th overall wide receiver 19.
56:13This is where he's finished on a per game basis in his last five seasons, uh, beginning with 2025 and working backwards
56:1916th per game, fifth per game, 42nd per game, 13th per game and 13th per game.
56:24One bad year in 2023 when Joe Burrow was hurt and Joe Burrow was kind of bad.
56:30Other than that, he's been top 16 per game.
56:32T Higgins is going as wide receiver 19 right now.
56:36It just, it's perfect. I don't think he has huge upside unless that target per out run rate comes back up to where it was in 2024.
56:44That seems a little unlikely, but I think he's a really safe pick in round three and boom, Josh Downs 97th overall wide receiver 44 in ADP.
56:52He ran more than 80% of the routes in three games last year.
56:56And honestly, he didn't do that well, but Daniel Jones was not the quarterback for any of those games.
57:02The year before he ran 78% or more of the routes in six games.
57:07He scored 19.5, 22.2, 19.4, 6.2, 15.1, and 19.4.
57:10That is 19.4 or more PPR fantasy points in four of six games in which he ran 78% or more of the routes in 2024.
57:17They talked about moving Josh Downs outside more. Got to get him on the field.
57:22Obviously, they lose Pittman. I am concerned about Daniel Jones.
57:25I am concerned about the offense. But this is the value pick here.
57:29Of the three wide receiver slash tight ends on this team, wide receiver 44, 97th overall for Josh Downs.
57:35If you want to be a little cautious and get a piece of the Colts offense, which was number one in the
57:42league last year when Jones was healthy, this is the guy to get really good on a per route basis.
57:48And I watched more film last night. Every time I watched Josh Downs, I am amazed at how he just destroys cornerbacks,
57:55gets open, makes people look stupid, and he will have his best year.
57:59And I think, you know, boom is a little crazy.
58:02I don't think he's going to win you your league, but I think he could be somewhere around wide receiver 24.
58:09Okay. Red Caleb Williams, white T Higgins, boom, Josh Downs.
58:12Any disagreements here? I like Caleb Williams this year.
58:15I think your reasoning is fine, though. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot to like a quarterback.
58:21I love Caleb Williams. Somebody had, it could be amazing, but it's, it's about that time of year where I start doing
58:27the, somebody had a good tweet and I can't remember who it was, so I'm not going to give him credit, but
58:34it was basically talking about how the top five quarterbacks are cheaper than they've ever been.
58:39And guys in the Caleb Williams range are more expensive than they've ever been.
58:44Like we just kind of smooshed QB together. And I think that kind of makes sense because you get to a certain
58:50point in the draft where like, do I take a guy who I know is the starting quarterback or do I take maybe Josh Downs?
58:58Um, and most people are going to choose Caleb Williams and all, and the, and the starting quarterbacks over him, but they
59:05also don't want to draft a quarterback in round two so that the elite guys have fallen down.
59:11I think it's hard for me to justify Caleb's ADP, but it is also a pretty easy fix.
59:16He just has to learn how to throw the ball where he wants it to go.
59:21Yeah. He's phenomenal. Um, I'm really excited for him, but, uh, yeah, he's had a, he's not phenomenally, phenomenally accurate.
59:28No, he's one of the lead. JJ McCarthy's the only quarterback who had a lower completion percentage than Caleb Williams.
59:34Um, also he runs a lot, but he doesn't run a lot near the goal line.
59:39So he's not scoring a ton of rushing touchdowns.
59:42Caleb Williams has three goal line carries in his career.
59:45Um, also I think like probably more important, um, than my reaction to those names was Dan's reaction to your soccer ranch.
59:52Yeah. Well, he's, he's, he's wrong. First of all, uh, Dan saying note for Adam while I was heated and ready to rant because of the red card.
60:00It is. It's an example of Adam and me, Dan, not knowing soccer, apparently regardless of intent, it's always a red cleats up.
60:07Well, I was reading an article, I think from the athletic this morning that said there was a little bit of discretion
60:14there that they could have, like they took away a red card from messy earlier in the tournament tournament tournament.
60:20Um, so I don't think it's, it's, but my further point was if that play is what gets you a red card
60:27and a red card gets you disqualified. You can't be replaced and you're suspended for at least one match.
60:33Then red cards are stupid and we need to do something about red cards and how stupid they are.
60:39Dan is stupid too, because he also is already talking smack about tennis.
60:43We're a month and a half away from our match.
60:46I'll be getting waxed this year. According to Dan, I have not closed the gap at all.
60:52The gap is getting wider. How is the gap getting wider when you never play and I play six zero six Oh six two is what he's predicting.
61:00That will not be the case. Um, I feel pretty decent about it, but we'll see, you know, you're lucky that I'm injured.
61:08Dan Schneier. Also, I hope all of you will watch the match.
61:11We're going to stream it. It's going to be fun.
61:14We're going to raise a lot of money. We're going to, I think we should play some doubles with, with Jamie and
61:21Heath personally and make Dave the ball boy, but we'll, uh, we'll figure out creative ways to, uh, to raise some money for St.
61:29I'd love to do that. It's actually, it's July.
61:32I should mention draft a thon is, is coming up.
61:35FFT open is coming up. We're expanding from 2014.
61:37We've gone from eight to 12 to 24 to now 36 leagues in the FFT open.
61:42That means if we sell out all of our spots, we're going to raise $99,000 for St.
61:48Jude is unbelievable. The best thing we do is this draft a thon.
61:52So, um, more info on that. That's that'll be like probably three ish weeks away where we start putting those spots up
61:59maybe a little bit later than that. But if you want to be in the FFT open, you have plenty of opportunities, 36 leagues.
62:06Um, and yeah, then all goes to St. Jude.
62:09Thanks to Jacob Gibbs for coming on. Watch beyond the box score.
62:13Thanks to Heath Cummings for coming on. Watch FFT dynasty.
62:16Dynasty. Thanks for Dave Richard to coming up. Thanks to Dave Richard for coming on.
62:20Watch FFT express in five minutes as Dave and I are going to be recording that.
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