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0:16Well howdy everybody! Welcome to the show. Fantasy Football Today, your holiday edition.
0:20I don't know how long I can keep this stupid hat on because it's messing with my headphones.
0:26But it's 4th of July, almost! It's 2nd of July.
0:29It's our last show before the 4th of July.
0:32We have an awesome topic for you. It's called Red, White, and Boom!
0:36And Jamie Eisenberg is here. And Jacob, we had an email sent around and said, Hey everybody, tomorrow's topic, Red, White, and Boom.
0:43Who are your players? And you wrote Red, White, and Blue.
0:46So you need to honor the topic, Jacob, or you're out.
0:50Sorry about that. Wow, yeah, I definitely do not have the commitment to the bit that you do.
0:55Respect. I told Thomas I had a hat for the occasion.
0:59I got it at Party City like 8 years ago.
1:02And I wear it every 4th of July. Oh, what's up, Dave?
1:06Looks like the kind of hat that a 50-year-old woman with liposuction would wear.
1:10What? Why liposuction? Just, you know, that plastic surgery type of profile.
1:14Okay. I don't think someone would, you know, I don't know.
1:17I just, I'm thinking of, you know what I'm thinking of is like, you know, the woman that's got the big lips.
1:24That's not even liposuction. All right, Dave, no. Lots of plastic surgery.
1:28Stop, stop, stop. You need to really stop, Dave.
1:31Stop. That's what it looks like. Okay. Thank you.
1:33Thank you, Andy. And sick. Dave nailed it. Okay, yeah, Dave.
1:37It did. Entirely inappropriate. Starting the show with a boom.
1:40Someone says, yeah, fireworks are a waste of money.
1:43I'll remind you, where I grew up in Florida, you can go to a store.
1:47Do they still have Neptune? Yes. It's like going to Walmart for fireworks and you can buy industrial strength fireworks, basically.
1:54It's insane. It is insane. I don't know how it's still around, but it's insane.
1:59There's fireworks for sale at the Publix around the corner.
2:02You could buy them from a guy on the corner in a tent.
2:06But they go up in the sky and they go, poof.
2:09Yeah, they go up in the sky and they go, poof.
2:13That's what fireworks do. Well, not all of them.
2:16That's what four-year-olds say they do. Did you know that fireworks are illegal in Hawaii?
2:20I found that out yesterday from my girlfriend. Well, like illegal for you and me to purchase or illegal?
2:26I just don't think they sell them. I think you have to bring them in.
2:31I don't think you sell them in New York, but I could be wrong.
2:35All right, anyway. Red. Here's the explainer for today's show.
2:38Red, white, and boom. Boom. Red means pump the brakes.
2:41This is a player we're avoiding at cost. We're using Fantasy Pro's ADP, PPR.
2:46White, fair ADP. You're going to draft this player if he falls to you.
2:50And boom! Light the fuse. A player you think is going to smash expectations and could win you leagues.
2:56So red, white, and boom. Red, pump the brakes too early.
2:59White, ADP is fair. Boom. We think he's going to hit, smash expectations.
3:03I'm not going to say, I'm going to yell boom every time.
3:07Thank you. All right. I think you should. Let's get started with Dave's red, white, and boom.
3:13Just run through who they are real quick. Red.
3:15Brees Hall. White. Parker Washington. And boom! Harold Fannin Jr.
3:18Let's go. Brees Hall, 30th overall, RB 14. Parker Washington.
3:22That's the white selection. 66th overall, wide receiver 32.
3:24And boom! Harold Fannin Jr., 95th overall, tight end 8.
3:27All right. Go ahead. Let's kick it off with Brees Hall.
3:31Well, we already saw it last year. He averaged 17.4 touches per game, three targets per game, averaged 13 PPR points per game.
3:38And now we're just expecting everything to be cool.
3:41His ADP on Fantasy Pros is 28th. It's 30th in our Fantasy FFT fans only ADP.
3:46This is a round three pick for a guy who wasn't good last year.
3:50Coaching staff changed. They have a new play caller.
3:53He's detrimental to Brees Hall. Frank Reich is the guy he has habitually used multiple running backs.
3:58He's only had a running back get over 15 PPR points per game, three times in 10 years as a play caller.
4:05If you lower that to 13, okay, great. It's four times in 10 years.
4:10This offense isn't going to be any... I don't think it'll be much better with Geno Smith at quarterback.
4:15You can talk about the offensive line all day long.
4:19I still think they're not going to score a lot of points.
4:22I don't like that he had a bunch of touches last year and didn't do well.
4:27Now he's going to get a bunch of touches this year and do better?
4:32Why? I don't get it. And I will even say this.
4:35He will start the season well. Takes on Tennessee in week one.
4:39The schedule of the first half of the year isn't really that bad.
4:43But in the second half of the year, this guy is going to cost you some fantasy weeks.
4:48He's not going to be that good. I don't think he's worth a pick in round three.
4:54I think he's worth a pick in round five.
4:57Ooh, round five. All right. So that's Brees Hall as pump the brakes.
5:01Let me just ask Heath and Jacob. Do you disagree with any of these selections?
5:05Brees Hall as the red, white Parker Washington, boom, Harold Fannin Jr.
5:09I disagree with everything. Really? Wow. Let's go. Terrible list.
5:12How come? No, I don't think I disagree with that.
5:15I don't have a strong opinion on Parker Washington, so I guess white fits perfectly.
5:20It's just kind of a shoulder shrug emoji for me on Parker Washington as of right now.
5:25I don't, I think it's saying it's a little bit inaccurate maybe to say Brees Hall got a lot of touches last year and didn't do well.
5:34Like he was at 13.2 fantasy points per game.
5:36That's pick 30. What's that? Probably RB 15. Well, last year he was about 21 per game.
5:42No, I'm saying this where he's being drafted right now.
5:45Yeah. Pick 30. RB fit 14. RB, RB 14.
5:48So like, yeah, he's always had a hard time scoring touchdowns, but the two seasons prior to this, it was nine and eight last year.
5:55It was five on more touches. I think we probably see him more involved in the passing game.
6:01If Braylon Allen stays healthy because Braylon Allen maybe takes a little bit off of his plate in terms of rushing.
6:08And then Isaiah Davis doesn't have to take some of the passing downs because holes being used so much as a rusher.
6:14Um, he's a guy who has shown us an insane ability in the passing game.
6:196.6 yards per target for his career. 7.3 last year.
6:22Maybe they're just so dumb that they're going to say, no, we really shouldn't throw a debris hole more than 48 times in 16 games.
6:30But I don't really believe that. I think it was just the roles got swapped a little bit when Allen went down
6:37and he had to play a portion of the year with Justin Fields who doesn't really throw to running backs a lot.
6:44But I'm, I'm, I have him ranked pretty much exactly where he's being drafted.
6:48He would have been a white for me. Okay.
6:51I might actually be lower on haul than Dave.
6:54I've got him a running back 22. So him and Deandre Swift are basically just flipped for me.
6:59It looks like consensus has Brees around running back 16 and Swift at running back 22.
7:04I have Swift to run back 16. I think that Brees probably finishes higher than running back 22.
7:10I think the stuff he said there makes sense.
7:13Um, him and Travis Achan are two players who I view similarly where I'm just not drafting them very much.
7:19Because I think that their upside is pretty limited.
7:22Um, and I end up gravitating more towards a bit of a riskier pick where whether that's Bayshel Tootin or maybe somebody
7:29like Cam Scadaboo, um, who I think have more upside.
7:32Um, I've got a tough time getting there with Brees Hall in this offense.
7:36Just for the record, since we're looking at career numbers, Gino is a career running back target rate of 17.6%.
7:42Certainly more of a downfield thrower than a check down guy.
7:46I think that hurts all the running backs in New York.
7:49And I think Isaiah Davis is going to be the passing downs back for the Jets.
7:54He was for a big chunk of last year.
7:57It is absolutely the tendency of Frank Reich to use multiple running backs, one on running downs, one on passing downs.
8:03And now Aaron Glenn wants him to use Braylon Allen as well.
8:07Could you imagine if Brees Hall is a trap back and that they use Allen who's bigger and more physical than Brees Hall at the goal line?
8:16And they use Isaiah Davis on passing downs and he's the one that's getting two and a half targets per game.
8:22And Brees Hall isn't it's coaching malpractice. And I agree with Heath that Brees Hall is absolutely talented.
8:28He's awesome as a pass catcher, but the coaching staff needs to like get hit upside the head and say, listen, man, you've got this talent.
8:36You just paid use them. If I'm drafting somebody in round three with the idea that they're going to get me 13
8:43PPR points per game, I think I'm drafting wrong.
8:45I'm looking for upside to do a lot better than 13 PPR points per game in round three.
8:51Okay. Also, just to the Braylon Allen point, the first four weeks, I think it was when Braylon Allen was healthy.
8:58He was averaging about 13 rush attempts and five targets per game.
9:01After Braylon Allen got hurt, the rush attempts went up to 16 per game.
9:06He fell down to two targets per game. So let's talk about Parker Washington and or Harold Fannin Jr.
9:12Dave, why is Harold Fannin Jr. your boom play?
9:14Harold Fannin is a boom because he was awesome last year.
9:18And even though the Browns drafted two wide receivers in the top 40, I don't think it's going to really pull too many targets away from him.
9:2611.7 PPR points per game on 6.7 targets per game.
9:29He really showed last year and Heath was first to talk about this with Harold Fannin, which is why I'm surprised that
9:36Heath is so low on Harold Fannin. He's really athletic and he proved it in college.
9:41He had the opportunity to do it early on in the year when David Njoka was healthy for the Browns and he
9:48really never let up on that role. Now you're telling me that, and I love Casey Concepcion, but you're telling me that
9:55Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston are going to completely suck away targets from Harold Fannin and leave Fannin with four targets per game.
10:02I don't think that that's likely at all. Deshaun Watson has a career target per career target rate to tight ends of 20.2%.
10:09It's actually 23.4% in his two years in Cleveland.
10:12If he's the guy, I don't mind him looking for Harold Fannin who probably knows exactly where he needs to be and
10:19can do something with the ball after the catch time and time again.
10:23And Todd Monken's track record with tight ends is actually really good.
10:27You go back to 2024 and 2025 with Baltimore, 30.2% tight end target rate under Todd Monken.
10:32It was 23.1% in 2023. Earlier than that in his career, it wasn't as good, but I think Monken has realized, especially
10:39for a quarterback that might need to be eased in to NFL action, or in the case of Shadur Sanders, a quarterback
10:46that's still working to find his way, that a tight end can be his best friend in the middle of the field.
10:53And he's got a great one in Harold Fannin.
10:55I see his ADP that this really baffled me on fantasy pros.
10:59His ADP is 103rd overall. That's an amazing value for somebody who could finish as a top five tight end.
11:05I got him at 95th overall. That's still really good.
11:08I would take him around six in full PPR.
11:11Yeah, tight end ADP is interesting on fantasy pros.
11:14It's like tight end six is Kyle Pitts at 92.
11:17Tight end seven is Laporta at 95. Tight end eight is Fannin also at 95.
11:22So tight end five is Kraft at 82. So it's a long wait after Warren.
11:27Warren at 64, and then it's like Kraft 82, and then you get into the mid 90s with Laporta, Fannin, and Pitts, Laporta, and Fannin.
11:34I love that value for all those guys. Yeah.
11:37So I thought I would be white on Fannin.
11:40I thought I was right in line. But at that range, I'm definitely comfortable taking a shot on Fannin.
11:46There's so many reasons to be concerned, obviously, about the Browns of it all.
11:50And then if you want, you know, the new pass catchers coming in might affect him.
11:55We might see some different types of personnel packages where he gets less playing time than last year.
12:01But at that range, it's pretty much just upside.
12:04And why I'm comfortable taking him is I really think he could be a special player.
12:09My favorite stat on Fannin, there's so many amazing stats that are just like, this guy looks like he could be historically
12:15good, is he tied Christian McCaffrey, rookie season Christian McCaffrey, for the most receptions with more than five yards gained after initial
12:22contact with a defender for any player under the age of 22 dating back to 2015.
12:27So that's 11 years of data that we have available there.
12:31Fannin and CMC tied at the very top above rookie season to Mark Chase, above rookie season Saquon Barkley, in terms of
12:38gains of five or more yards after initial contact.
12:40He's always fighting for more yards. He's so good, man.
12:43Yeah, you know, you mentioned the Deshaun Watson thing and him throwing to his tight ends.
12:48But it is worth noting, like, David Njoku was pretty horrible when Deshaun Watson was the quarterback.
12:54In three years, let's see, 387 routes, David Njoku averaged 1.22 yards per outrun with Deshaun Watson.
12:59That was one of the things is like Watson's tight end target rate looks okay in the league context and looks pretty miserable in the Stefanski context.
13:07He was kind of the one quarterback under Stefanski that did not elevate tight ends.
13:12And so I think part of it is I'm trying to be a little bit consistent in that if I think that
13:19Kevin Stefanski and Drew Petsig matter for Sam Laporta and Kyle Pitts, then I have to think that losing them matters a
13:26little bit for Trey McBride and Harold Fannin. I do think Concepcion and Boston make this receiving core, especially if Deshaun Watson's
13:33the quarterback, more appealing for quarterbacks to throw to.
13:35If Shadur wins this job in camp, then I'm going to give Fannin a boost because they've got that connection already.
13:42Shadur threw it to him 33% of the time last year.
13:45I do agree with everything Jacob said, obviously. I love Harold Fannin.
13:49I was like, bro, it's FOE. I feel like we're overthinking this.
13:53He's literally just by far the most talented player that you can get after pick 100.
13:58Who's even in that conversation? I don't have a problem with that pick 100.
14:02I'm not sure I see the boom. Is what I was saying.
14:06I think I probably would have had Harold Fannin as a white also.
14:10All right. We got to take a break and then we can talk about Parker Washington or we can move on to Heath's Red, White and Boom.
14:18And we'll be right back. And also, I see some people talking about soccer in the chat.
14:24You know, soccer, you were doing so well. You were doing so well.
14:28And then every time, you know, you just remind us of something within you that is so stupid.
14:33Idiot soccer. Parker, we'll be right back on fantasy football today.
14:37You know, we watch. I'm not going to ever call you football.
14:41If you want me to think about calling you football, then you need to man up and watch actual football where guys
14:47are beating the crap out of each other and maybe getting a penalty, but not getting kicked out of a game.
14:54And not able to be replaced and then suspended for the next game because they accidentally stepped on someone's ankle.
15:00Are you kidding me? Like the whole red card thing is so punitive and so unfair.
15:05You want to kick a guy out of a game?
15:08Fine. Let them replace the guy. Playing 10 on 11 is such a stupid rule.
15:13It just changes the game so drastically. And if that's going to be the end result, and it's not like I just learned this yesterday, by the way.
15:22I knew the red card rule. But if that's going to be the end result, you better really do something bad to get a red card.
15:30And he did not do anything even close to something that would warrant getting kicked out of the game, not being able
15:37to be replaced for the rest of the game, and being suspended for at least one more game.
15:42In what is now one of the most important games in U.S.
15:46soccer history, and they don't have arguably their best player because he accidentally stepped on someone's ankle.
15:51What a joke. You are soccer. You are not football.
15:54Football is a real man's game. Wow. USA. USA.
15:57Said by a man wearing a red, white, and blue star.
16:01I think that's kind of the argument from football fans, though, is that you guys just should have chosen a different name
16:08because you created something different from our sport. You're right.
16:11They're not the same thing. But it's not like soccer is trying to call themselves football because of what football is, and they want to be like that.
16:19No. Soccer already was football. You're picking the wrong part of the argument here.
16:24Forget about the football semantics. That was so weak and so lame.
16:27It was a terrible call by the referee. I would imagine he would try and take it back or at least think about taking it back.
16:36He didn't make the call. It was the video.
16:38It was the review guy. That's the person who would probably wish they could take it back.
16:44I just don't. I mean, I'm not a soccer guy.
16:47None of us are. But I do think that stepping with your cleats on the player's Achilles nowhere close to the ball
16:54while challenging is quite often a red card. Yeah, but use your judgment.
16:58He obviously didn't do it on purpose. They were battling for position, and he just came down that way.
17:04And also, I just don't – I do not understand the concept of not letting them replace the player.
17:09Oh, I thought the 10 v 11 was like what made that game so great.
17:14No. Like it was going to be a really boring second half.
17:18And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, it might actually be a game.
17:23It's a dumb rule. Could you imagine that in the NFL?
17:26In any sport. Yeah. It's insane. It can happen in basketball, I think, if too many people fell out.
17:32It happened in Hoosiers. Whatever. They had six guys on their team.
17:36My four are on the floor. My four are on the floor.
17:39That's great. And I think he had a guy he could have played.
17:43Yeah. He was disciplining his own player by not allowing him to come back in.
17:48Very different scenario here. All right. Sorry. In order for this show to move on here, anybody with a strong opinion on – nobody agrees with Heath.
17:57Get out of here. By the way, I have some video evidence today of an NFL player strongly disagreeing with Heath that we're going to show later on.
18:05Do they know what I said? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
18:08Anyway, Parker Washington. That's fun. Yeah. Let's go over to Heath.
18:12Let's go over to Heath's red, white, and boom here.
18:15We'll talk about Parker Washington on a different show.
18:18I'm sorry about that. Heath, who do you have as – Ten minutes on soccer.
18:22Zero minutes on Parker Washington. Who do you – it's topical.
18:26Who do you have as red, white, and boom?
18:29Boom. So I went with a round five theme.
18:31Chose three players from the same round for a red, white, and boom.
18:35My red will surprise no one. It's Mike Evans.
18:38I'm at 54th overall, I believe. Although I'm not sure because you also put 54th overall for Quenchaun Judkins, and I don't
18:45think they're being picked with the same pick. Quenchaun Judkins is – 53 and a half and 54.
18:51Okay. Quenchaun Judkins is my boom at RB23 and 54 overall, and Roma Dunze is my white at 58th overall.
18:57Okay. So Evans too early. Roma Dunze just right.
19:00Quenchaun Judkins, boom. Great value. Could smash expectations. Yeah.
19:03Do we have these screenshots here of – all right, listen.
19:06I want to show you Mike Evans running some routes.
19:09Last game of the year. Okay. Look how open he's getting, and he knows you're dogging him.
19:14So he's going – Oh, does he? Yeah, he knows, man.
19:18Look, it's in the – these are quotes. I didn't make these up.
19:22It says, sup, Heath. I'm wide open. Look at me just abusing this guy for a 13-yard game.
19:27Okay, let's get to the next screenshot. Look how open he – he gets a pass interference on him, and he still
19:34beats the guy for a big game, and he knew.
19:37He goes, no way tomato is your favorite fruit, Heath.
19:41That makes no sense. He knows your terrible takes, Heath.
19:44Okay. All right, so he's open here. Same game.
19:46How do you like me now, Heath? This is just screenshots of Mike Evans getting open, still being good.
19:52Baker Mayfield threw an interception on this play, by the way.
19:56So this was just me having a little fun.
19:59But Evans – I believe he was wide receiver one in fantasy point status charting for separation last year.
20:05Wow. Yeah, well, and they saw the quotes, too.
20:07They know what's up. Anyway, go ahead. So, well, Jacob and Dave, what do you strongly agree or disagree with here?
20:14Pump the brakes on Mike Evans. Evans just right for Romo Dunze.
20:18Boom pick for Quinchon Judkins. They're all going around 55th overall.
20:21I strongly disagree on Evans. He's one of a handful of receivers who I have, like, way above consensus among my top
20:2830, with Parker Washington being one of the others, too.
20:31So Fantasy Pro shows you, like, plus or minus relative to consensus.
20:35They're both plus five. I've got Evans at wide receiver 20.
20:38I think that, you know, obviously the upside is clear with Kyle Shanahan.
20:42But if you want more detail on that, Dan Schneier and I did about a 15-minute breakdown on Beyond the Box score,
20:49like an individual video on Evans that goes into all the historical context and just how good it could be.
20:55Dave, anything from you? I just don't love the fact that a 33-year-old receiver with a history of hamstring issues is now
21:02going to be relied upon in this 49ers offense to stay healthy.
21:06I think he's a great fit for that offense based on his route running.
21:10You're banking on him being – you're banking on him having a bounce back here.
21:15He had one game all year with 15-plus PPR in 2025.
21:18So I'm really hoping that he can step up in a major way and stay on the field and be that number one alpha for the 49ers.
21:27They haven't had that guy at wide receiver in a while unless there's somebody I'm just totally blanking on who's been that guy for them.
21:35Dave, where do you think Baker Mayfield ranked on catchable target rate out of 39 qualified quarterbacks on throws of 10 or more air yards last year?
21:43Probably dead last. Beat to hell. Shadr Sanders was dead last.
21:46Oh, you know what? That makes sense. So he was probably second.
21:50Yeah, 34th. Okay. Okay. That's, you know, I didn't expect Baker to be good.
21:55Also, I – how many of those games – it doesn't even matter who the hell cares how many games Evans played.
22:01I think everybody knows what the red flags are with him.
22:05And taking him – I'm a little behind ADP on Evans just because I don't want to spend a top 50-ish pick
22:12on somebody who I might have for 11 or fewer games and who might not see even like any improvement in target volume in San Francisco.
22:20So he might fit into the offense great, but he might also only give us five games next year of like 14 plus PPR.
22:27I guess – no, that's not even okay. I'm not okay with that in round five.
22:32I was going to pick Romo Dunze as well, Heath, as the white suggestion here, the just right ADP.
22:38And I need there to be enough separation between him and Luther Burden to justify passing on Luther Burden.
22:44And I think it's probably about 15 picks or so.
22:47It's getting close. Yeah, obviously the whole foot thing is concerning.
22:51You said the new normal for him is the bones in his foot have shifted and he has to kind of get used to it.
22:58But wide receiver 29 for Romo Dunze who just got off to a brilliant start last year and had a – I
23:05think it was a 23% target share in his first 12 games.
23:09So, yeah. Anyway, discuss. Yeah, I think for Romo, this just feels like the good middle point between this guy with very
23:16good pedigree, a very good offensive system, and a huge target opportunity.
23:20And also this guy who – maybe it was just – he got hurt, obviously.
23:24But the things kind of went downhill before he got hurt last year.
23:28And honestly, his first two years in the league, if you just look at it in a vacuum, it's a pretty miserable start.
23:35He's just not been what we were hoping he would be.
23:39He and Caleb cannot get on the same page.
23:42He's barely caught half of his targets in his first two years in the league.
23:46And some of that's not his fault. Some of it's Caleb's fault because Caleb kind of sprays the ball a little bit.
23:53But still, Caleb Williams also has great pedigree, could take a leap at any moment.
23:58And Romo Dunze could be his number one wide receiver.
24:01So this is kind of that – there's a low floor.
24:04There's a high ceiling. Round five feels right about right.
24:08I think what's something that people might forget, including myself, is that – you look at the first 12 games of the year.
24:15Odunze had a 23.7% target share. D.J. Moore had a 16.6% target share.
24:19Olamide Zaccheaus, who is no longer on the team, had a 14.2% target share.
24:23So that was another guy who was getting a decent amount of targets.
24:27He was on pace for 77 targets in those 12 games.
24:31Of course, Burden and Loveland weren't doing much. But one thing that I like about Odunze, and he's going to have to
24:37score touchdowns because Heath mentioned his catch rate. His catch rate's around 50% each of the first two years.
24:43He's a high A dot guy. Also a good yak, so that's cool.
24:47He's good at yards per catch. He has the ninth most end zone targets per game of any wide receiver over the last two years.
24:55And the guys ahead of Odunze are Adams, Evans, Marvin Harrison Jr., Deontay Johnson, weird, Justin Jefferson, George Pickens, Jamar Chase.
25:02And he's tied with Drake London. Eighth most end zone wide targets per game.
25:06That's just – that's Caleb's guy. Has been Caleb's guy in the end zone.
25:10But Judkins is your boom. Yeah, I think we talked about this on a show a couple weeks ago or earlier this week maybe.
25:18And just like the two second-year running backs that are coming back from major injuries and where they're currently being drafted.
25:24And Scadaboo is like a round and a half, two rounds ahead of Judkins.
25:29I still think Judkins is a better rusher. And I think that this is still going to be a very good defense in Cleveland.
25:36And if Todd Monken has – and one of the other reasons I'm a little bit concerned about Harold Fannin is I
25:43think if Todd Monken has a choice in a game and it stays competitive, we're probably going to get at least a 50% rush rate.
25:51And they showed last year they believe you can lean on Quinchon Judkins in the run game.
25:56I'm hopeful the offensive line – there's at least reason to hope the offensive line could be a little bit better than it was last year.
26:04That's not a guarantee with the changes that they made.
26:07And he absolutely has a chance to score 10-plus touchdowns every year.
26:11They added a fullback in Mike Burton. That's a signal that they want to run the ball more.
26:17They're going to put a fullback on the field.
26:20I think they love what they've done with their offensive line this offseason.
26:24And yes, you're right. You can't guarantee that it's going to be better, but it's going to be really hard to be
26:30as bad as it was last year between all the injuries and bad play that they had.
26:36I think the Browns deserve props for improving their offensive line.
26:39And you are right. I think that if it's a close game late, you will see a much closer to 50-50 pass
26:46run rate from the Browns versus when they're down 10 points in the fourth quarter and they just have to let it rip through there.
26:54I think there's almost no way it can be as bad as it was last year to your point about the offensive
27:01line, if I can share my screen here. Ashton Jinty only averaged .06 yards before contact per rush.
27:06That's something that we point towards a lot as like, wow, he really had it tough last year.
27:12It's going to be better this year, hopefully under Clint Kubiak, with the Linderbaum addition and everything, should be better for the Raiders, right?
27:19.06 or no, 0.6, ranked 115th out of 115 qualifiers dating back to 2012.
27:24If you lower the qualification to 150 or more rushes in a season, Junkins ranks dead last out of 250.
27:30He averaged .4 yards before contact per rush last year.
27:33Insane. I did a behind-the-boxer profile on him and I'm like, this guy is so good.
27:38He really might be the best running back from this class.
27:42And I still don't know if it's going to matter.
27:45I still don't know if it's going to matter.
27:47Like, I'm not drafting him anywhere. I hate it.
27:50Oh, wow. When would you draft him, Jacob? When would I draft him?
27:54Yeah, what round? Like, I'm okay with him in round four.
27:58Yeah. He reminds me of Tedrow McMillan. Um, so it's like, I don't think it's a bad pick necessarily.
28:04I feel a little bit more comfortable with McMillan because he doesn't have the serious injury that he's recovering from.
28:10Um, but I think most likely this is a young dependable stud who you're going to be okay with most weeks, even though the offense is not good.
28:19But I do worry a lot about what his realistic ceiling is, which is why I was interested to hear what Heath's
28:25case was for him being like the boom player.
28:28Um, just because I think the offensive environment is just so limiting.
28:32Um, so again, it's, it's kind of like, um, Brees Hall.
28:35Um, really there's to me, there's four running backs who stand out as similar and you could throw scatterboo into this.
28:42Um, but I think his role just as a receiver and a red zone threat is a little bit unique, but there's
28:49four running backs who stand out as very similar.
28:52We know, or we feel very convicted that they're supremely talented players, but we're very worried about their offense being like the worst in the whole league.
29:00And what do you do with them for fantasy?
29:03And that's Devon HN, Jeremiah Love, Brees Hall and Quenjohn Junkins.
29:06I have them ranked in that order. Um, but the fact that Junkins is like well below them in terms of cost,
29:13I think is relevant, you know, cause he really might be near that group in terms of talent level.
29:19And if things are just a little bit better in year two, then we could see this 18, 20 touches per game be pretty good for fantasy still.
29:28I think. Yeah. It just, he, you know, he doesn't really catch passes or he didn't last year anyway.
29:34Yeah. I think a little bit better with Shadur Sanders, but I don't know, Heath, have you mentioned about, uh, Judkins?
29:40He has on paper, the easiest, well, the Browns have the easiest schedule in the NFL.
29:45Yeah. I think, I mean, I felt better about this take before the miles Garrett trade, even though I think the Browns
29:52made a very good trade with the miles Garrett trade.
29:55But I, I, before that, I thought, you know, they're, they're probably going to be more competitive than people think they are.
30:02Not because the offense is good. It still could be one of the worst offenses, but I think it's, it's more difficult
30:09for it to be one of the worst offenses if they stay in games and just give it to Judkins 22 times a game.
30:16All right. They're just going to keep getting first downs.
30:19Jacob, you are up. Jacob, why don't you start out?
30:23Tell us what's coming up on beyond the box score.
30:26Sure. Yeah. Thanks. Um, beyond the box score, uh, we've got right now we're really focused on, all these player profiles.
30:32So, um, we're looking at some of the more polarizing players heading into 2026, um, whether that's these year two players like Jenkins or, um, Harold Fennin Jr.
30:41Where we don't really know quite what to make of them next year.
30:45Um, and we've got some profiles out on them.
30:48So you can like binge all this, dig into all of this, um, throughout the season if you want.
30:54Um, and, and, or this draft season, if you want find all that on beyond the box score.
30:59Um, today, Dan Schneier and I are wearing tank tops and we're going to talk about the most underrated wide receivers.
31:06So that's just kind of a for fun show, but we've got a lot of great guests coming on to help us out.
31:13Um, get y'all ready for draft season for sure.
31:16One of them was rich rebar who just does awesome, awesome work.
31:20And I've got some cool stats from rich that I want to share with you in reference to my first red player here, which is Trey McBride.
31:28Uh, which I don't like. Cause I think Trey McBride, we talk about talent.
31:32Like he's one of the most talented players in the league for sure.
31:36Um, I've got him at tight in three. I am drafting Colson Loveland ahead of him.
31:41Not that you ever have to make that decision.
31:44Um, but I'm, I'm quite nervous about McBride. I thought that Heath's points about Sam Laporta potentially outscoring McBride makes a lot of sense.
31:52I think that that's totally realistic. Um, I wanted to talk about that.
31:56You, you mentioned the three tight end usage, um, in from your, your conversation with Ryan Heath about like Vlad McConkie being the next Jackson Smith and Jigba.
32:04And how that personnel package type stuff could benefit him with Mike McDaniel coming over.
32:09So it's not that additional tight ends on the field necessarily boosts any specific position.
32:14Um, it's more so that just having tight ends or full, it's really simple.
32:18Like having tight ends or fullbacks on the field instead of receivers boosts the best players.
32:23Um, not only are those players less likely to draw targets in terms of fullbacks, second and third tight ends and stuff like that.
32:31Um, but also those bigger personnel packages are more likely to sell to a defense that a run might be coming.
32:37And so the, the best play callers, the guys who are really using this well, whether that's Sean McVay or Ben Johnson or low key drew petzing.
32:46I really think is underrated. If you want to listen to that play callers episode that we just did with retriever, we talked about petzing a lot.
32:54I think Detroit's offense is going to set the league on fire sidebar.
32:58Like I, I think that they, it's just going to be insane this year.
33:02Um, it boosts the best players. I think that's a way to sell the run and then get play action looks, get
33:09under center passing, get all this, this kind of, uh, efficiency boosting stuff where you can get your best players in advantageous matchups.
33:16And so last year we saw McBride had a ton of production from these personnel packages.
33:21Only Pukanuku had more receptions from three tight end sets than Trey McBride.
33:25He had a 33% target per route run rate from those personnel packages.
33:29Um, the stat that I think is, that's just a small little thing that I wanted to bring in, in reference to that conversation y'all had.
33:38The, the stat that's more meaningful, I think is just the raw number of routes that Trey McBride ran.
33:43This is from Rich Rebar. Trey McBride ran 694 routes last year, which is 121 more than the next closest tight end.
33:50It's the most routes run by a tight end in the true media database.
33:55The previous high was 623. McBride had 694. The average tight end runs about 32 routes per game per Rich's research.
34:01So basically McBride ran 22 games worth of routes last year, which is just not replicable.
34:06Like all the Arizona stuff is clearly not replicable.
34:09Like, but that in particular, like just the raw volume, it was just busted.
34:13That's not, I mean, everyone else is running 17 games worth of routes and he ran 22.
34:19But what if they go to the Super Bowl?
34:21Maybe they will. So like, uh, Heath brought up like the per route stuff for McBride really doesn't look that special last year.
34:29And that's just true. Like, and it makes sense in an offense.
34:32That's not that good. Not that efficient overall. You aren't going to be able to produce elite efficiency most of the time.
34:39And so if the total volume number comes down and he doesn't somehow increase that efficiency in a big way, which I
34:46don't think that he's that type of a player because the tight ends who typically get to elite efficiency that aren't able
34:53to do it like because of their team are guys who are winning down the field or creating tons of yards after the catch.
35:00McBride doesn't necessarily do either of those things. He's more of an accumulator.
35:04He gets a lot of short targets. And so I am, I'm pretty nervous about what it's going to look like this year.
35:12And I think there are clear paths to more upside with some of the other tight ends around him, even though we
35:18might be a little bit safer than somebody like Colson Loveland or Sam Laporta.
35:23I could see either of those guys outscoring him easily.
35:26All right. We got to take a break here.
35:29So red, white, and boom for Jacob. Red is Trey McBride.
35:32White and boom. We'll find out after this on FFT.
35:35All righty. My, my white is Kenneth Walker. Um, and I'm really curious to get your guys' take on this.
35:42I'm with some early round players. I haven't got a chance to talk about Walker much this off season.
35:47Um, but if you do want to watch a profile, um, he's one of the first ones that we did.
35:54One of these individual profiles way back, um, in the free agency period was Kenneth Walker.
35:59Uh, the obvious appeal with Walker is explosive plays.
36:01Um, and that's really come through in an impressive way.
36:05So he ranks running back 23 in explosive plays per game through an initial four seasons dating back to 2000, which puts
36:11him in a range with some really, really good players.
36:15Like just the head of Sean Alexander, Brian Westbrook.
36:17And that's while splitting a backfield for a lot of that time.
36:21Um, we, we know how good the explosive play potential is and could be in this Kansas city backfield where teams play the past.
36:29That's how it's been for a long time. Um, what I want to talk about is can he potentially increase like the consistency?
36:36And I'm really curious to get Heath's perspective on this specifically as a cheese fan.
36:40So I'm tying this to Eric B enemy. And so if you look at, I dug into all this in this player
36:47profile, we want to get all the specific information.
36:50The golden era of like the Andy Reed run game came under Eric B enemy.
36:55And specifically they had this 2021 team that was insanely efficient.
36:58It was a 54% success rate, which is the third highest mark of any team over the past five seasons on running back runs.
37:06And 70% of the runs gained positive yards before initial contact.
37:09The league average last year was 55%. 70% is the highest of any team during the time I have that data available dating back to 2017.
37:17Heath, do you remember who the running backs were in the 2021 Kansas city chiefs backfield?
37:22Oh man. I wish that you hadn't, um, or you should have asked me at like one sentence earlier because I actually,
37:29while you were talking was like, well, who was the 21, 21 chiefs running back?
37:34And I had already pulled it up. Daryl Williams, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, and Derek Gore jr.
37:39Are the running backs you're not remembering from this 54% success rate team.
37:43I really think B enemy is good at this specifically.
37:46Another area I would point to is Deandre Swift's transformation last year.
37:50So next gen stats has some interesting ways to contextualize what's happening in the running back position.
37:55One of those stats is the efficiency of movement.
37:58So like the amount of space that's covered, it's basically, are they getting vertical?
38:02Um, the amount of space that's covered to get yards basically.
38:05And Swift was the third least efficient in this metric in 2024.
38:09And then in 2025, he was well above the league average in this metric.
38:14So huge change there. Another set they have is yards over expectation.
38:17And Swift was dead last in the percentage of his runs that gained positive yards over expectation in 2024.
38:23And then in 2025, he was first in the league.
38:26And that's really unusual for him. He's kind of been like a Kenneth Walker type where he's like more boom bust.
38:33And then last year we saw him be like Mr.
38:36Consistent. And I think a lot of people would just say, well, yeah, Ben Johnson.
38:41Ben Johnson does the run installs. We've seen him with Ben Johnson before.
38:45You know, this is the first time we ever saw him with Biennemi.
38:49And he looked completely different. And so I'm wondering like what could Biennemi do for Kenneth Walker, who's been one of the
38:56most effective running backs in the NFL when given at least one yard before contact.
39:006.5 yards per rush last year when given at least one yard before contact.
39:05Only Devon Achan had a higher explosive run rate on these runs where there was at least one yard before initial contact with the defender.
39:12The Chiefs have been very good at creating these types of runs.
39:16And I think that has something to do with the way defenses play them.
39:21But also there's a lot of talent on that offensive line.
39:24So I'm really excited for Walker. And I want to hear Heath's thoughts on Eric Biennemi and then all of you if this tracks.
39:31No, I think the stuff you brought about Swift and improving that is really applicable because you're right.
39:37They have early in his career, Swift was more of a Kenneth Walker style home run or two yard loss.
39:43And so I think he could have that same type of positive impact on Ken Walker and he could get more consistent
39:50as a rusher and could have a very effective season.
39:53I think my two questions don't have much to do with the rushing.
39:57It's what's his role in the passing game to be because I don't think Eric Biennemi, when he was there in the
40:04past, the Chiefs really threw to the running back a lot.
40:08And I don't think Walker's probably going to be the third down or two minute drill running back.
40:13And then I don't think anybody's taking red zone rush attempts from him in terms of a running back.
40:19But do the Chiefs continue to do all the Patrick Mahomes stuff they've historically done in the red zone, which really limits
40:26those carries inside the 10 yard line for their lead running back?
40:30But I am I think the stuff you brought up on on Biennemi is really good and makes me more optimistic about him as a rusher.
40:38I think it's worth pointing out that Swift, your one with the Bears had a really bad offensive line.
40:44And then in that offseason, they went out and massively upgraded.
40:47And I think the Seahawks offensive line did well last year and stayed healthy.
40:51But it's just you already mentioned it. The Chiefs, especially on the interior, are really good.
40:56This is such a great setup. I mean, Jamie has him eighth at running back.
41:01So Heath and Dave are more like 12 and 13, I think.
41:05But what is his fantasy pros ADP? RB10. 16th overall, RB10.
41:08So right in the middle of where we all.
41:11You have him 10th, Jacob? He's my white player.
41:14Yeah, I've got him at running back 11. I've got him behind Henry and A-Chan.
41:19I think I might move him ahead of A-Chan potentially.
41:22But yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this up.
41:25It's because I've got all these reasons to think that he could be this boom player.
41:30But for the reasons Heath brought up with the role, uncertainty, transitioning over to a new team.
41:35And also, he's got to prove it. I think that he could do this stuff.
41:40I think Bien-Ami can help him. But at the same time, he ranks freaking 51st in rush success rate among running backs since entering the NFL.
41:48Out of 54 qualifiers. And a lot of that has to do with offensive line and stuff.
41:53But Zach Sharbner ranks in the top 20. Playing behind the same offensive line.
41:57Like, a lot of that is Kenneth Walker. I love the guy to death.
42:02All the advanced stats in terms of avoided taxes and stuff are fun.
42:06But like, he's got to be consistent. Let me ask you a question.
42:10We're talking about success rate. Define success rate. And then, you know, isn't it possible that Sharbner can be a more consistent runner, have higher success rate?
42:18But Kenneth Walker is the guy who can break off the 50-yard run.
42:22And he can do that twice a year. He can have four runs of 30 yards or more or something like that.
42:29And even though on a carry-by-carry basis, it's frustrating.
42:32The success rate might not reflect it. But the production could still be there because he has that elite speed.
42:38For sure. But I do think we've seen him lose touches throughout his NFL career.
42:43And I think that this could have something to do with it.
42:47Is that he might be a frustrating player for coaches a little bit.
42:51Yeah. But yeah, success rate is on first or second down, if a player gains half of the yard is required to first down.
42:58So if it's second and eight, if they gain four or more yards, that's a success.
43:03On third or fourth down, if they gain a first down, that's a success.
43:08And yeah, there are completely different types of players.
43:10The explosives from Walker definitely make him worth getting on the field.
43:14But Charbonnet, I went into this on the Kenneth Walker breakdown on that video.
43:18Charbonnet was one of the few running backs in the league last year who, if you look at their runs where they
43:25were hit at or behind the line of scrimmage, he actually gained positive yards.
43:30And Walker did not. So it's like Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Robinson.
43:33There's very few of these running backs who are able to do it.
43:37And Charbonnet was one of them. He's very, very good at that.
43:41Okay. All right. Boom! Who's your boom player? And I agree with it 100%.
43:45It's a great call. Good job. And by the way, I think you were the most critical of me when I took A.J.
43:52Brown like 16th overall or something like that in a recent draft.
43:56I think that that might be you being a little sensitive and taking that personally because I didn't say anything critical.
44:03I said, wow. I was just surprised. I thought it was cool.
44:06A.J. Brown is my boom. And yes, since Adam Mazur took him in the first round, I have been rapidly approaching that level of enthusiasm.
44:14No, I didn't take him in the first round.
44:17I took him at the one-two turn. Not quite.
44:20Let me see. I think I got the June 2026.
44:23I feel like it was like a top 16.
44:26I took him in fifth pick. So that's 13th, 14th, 15th, 17th overall.
44:30Okay. Yeah. I'm there. I'm considering moving A.J. Brown ahead of Drake London.
44:34I'm considering moving him ahead of Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins for sure.
44:38I think that's where I'm approaching with A.J. Brown.
44:40I think there's tons of reasons to be optimistic.
44:43And I'm going to try not to just ramble for 10 minutes here.
44:47If at any point you want to get into this conversation, please do.
44:51Because there's a lot to think about with A.J.
44:54Brown. But really, it could just be as simple as like, A.J.
44:58Brown's really good. Drake May's really good. Josh McDaniels is good at what he does.
45:03This could be awesome. So A.J. Brown isn't going to like find himself in who's this year's Jackson Smith and Jigba discussions
45:09because he's not an early career receiver. But he really does fit like the exact criteria that Ryan Heath laid out with
45:16Vlad McConkie when he came on your guys show and talked about McConkie as this year's JSN.
45:22He leaves a heavy three receiver set and heavy shotgun style offense to play with the Patriots, which are one of 10
45:28teams with a sub 50% rate of three receiver sets in 2025.
45:32New England ranked eighth in under center dropbacks and ninth in under center play action dropbacks.
45:37I'm focused on under center dropbacks because they are efficiency boosting plays.
45:41And A.J. Brown is just one year removed from averaging three yards per out run in a shotgun heavy offense.
45:47And so, like, if you split it out and I did an episode with Ben Gretch on this, if you want to
45:54check out the former CBS legend, Ben Gretch and I just getting super, super nerdy and deep into the weeds on per route data.
46:01All of this personnel stuff really, really affects it.
46:04And some of these players get boosted in a significant way by playing in more, you know, big personnel under center play action heavy offenses.
46:12That's what we saw early in A.J. Brown's career in Tennessee in Philadelphia.
46:16It wasn't really the case. And still, he averaged over three yards per out run just one year ago.
46:22He's one of nine receivers with a single season yard per out run rate above three during the time that I have that data available.
46:30That's 2019, 1225. And that was with the Eagles just one year ago.
46:34I think people like don't remember how good that season was, I guess, and are like nervous that he's dropped off.
46:40But like, I don't know, man. Again, he's wide receiver three in yards per out run during his time in the NFL behind only Pukanuku and Tyreek Hill.
46:49And he's wide receiver one from under center specifically.
46:52Again, he didn't get very many of those opportunities with the Eagles, but 4.4 yards per out run from under center throughout his career.
46:59Pukanuku is next at 4.3. And then there's a massive drop off Nico Collins at 3.7.
47:04I really think AJ Brown might be just one of the best players in the league and we don't really know it
47:11because he's always been in low volume offenses. So I want to dig a little bit deeper with the per out data.
47:18I want to talk about stuff on digs. Digs last year was.
47:22This is what I said the day after that draft.
47:25I, I, I, I came on the show and Heath wasn't on the show.
47:29Um, but you know, I know you can make the argument.
47:33They really spread the ball out in new England, but they didn't when Stefan digs was on the field.
47:39He just wasn't on the field that much, but he got a ton of targets.
47:43So I was target per out run rate was like top eight.
47:47He was top 10 in almost every like valuable metric basically.
47:50Uh, sorry. Stefan digs was pretty much, pretty much top 10 and all of the per opportunity basis.
47:56Yeah. I'm at my fault. He was, he was 20th in target per out run rate, 24.4%.
48:01But the other stuff yards per out run first down rate.
48:05Um, he was really high. Okay, go ahead. And when he got to be on the field in a full-time role, it didn't drop off at all.
48:13So sometimes like Keenan Allen, for example, they get this really high per route production, but that's because they're coming on to
48:20do specific stuff and they're targeted on those plays.
48:23Diggs just was in a part-time role, I think, cause he's old.
48:27Um, so he was wide receiver 10 in fantasy points per run in this new England offense last year.
48:32And that was with only four touchdowns and still was wide receiver 10 in fantasy points per run.
48:38He had a thousand yards in this part-time role, 68% route share for Stefan digs last year and still a thousand yards
48:45on a property on a per opportunity basis. He was top 10.
48:49I think AJ Brown is better than Stefan digs.
48:51Um, and I think he's going to play more and I think he's going to score more.
48:57So digs had a 19% red zone share and an only 8% of the end zone targets for the Patriots last year,
49:04he played 17 games at 8% of the end zone targets.
49:07AJ Brown has a freaking 34% career rate when it comes to like end zone targets in games that he's played.
49:14That rate has never been below 21% this season.
49:16That was his rookie season when it was 21%.
49:19His red zone target shares as a member of the Eagles have been 24%, 27%, 31%, 34%.
49:24Diggs is rate was 19%. I think AJ Brown is an alpha in a way that digs isn't really.
49:30And he has like no target competition on this team.
49:34Like what's really crazy about the Eagles rates and how high they are, which is basically like league high numbers is he's
49:40playing alongside Devante Smith, who I think pretty much all of us agree is like a top at worst, like a top
49:4715 wide receiver town in the league, like a legitimate, like potential wide receiver, one type of talent.
49:53And still AJ Brown is completely dominating all these target shares.
49:56And now he goes to the Patriots and it's like who Romeo Dobbs, like Romeo Dobbs is a good player.
50:02He was an important, reliable player for the Packers.
50:05He topped out at 21% in terms of target per outrun rate across his four seasons with the Packers.
50:11It was always between 19 and 21%. I think we know who he is.
50:16Dobbs is a competent X receiver who can work down the field and open things up for the better catch and run players.
50:23We've seen Jane Reed, Tucker craft, Christian Watson, all of those guys put up really good numbers on a per opportunity basis.
50:30Cause I do think they benefit from playing alongside him.
50:33He's an ideal wide receiver team. And he's just good enough to get the defense's respect.
50:38Not good enough to make his quarterback lock in on him.
50:41I think we know who the quarterback is going to be locked in on as long as he can stay healthy.
50:48It's it's AJ Brown clearly. And so the last thing I would throw in here is I did an episode with Ryan
50:55Heath recently on beyond the box score where we talked about which stats matter in terms of predicting future fantasy scoring.
51:01Ryan digs into all of the previous year's data and then how strongly it correlated to the next year's fantasy points.
51:08And some really interesting things stood out to me in doing that exercise.
51:12First of which was that first read target rate correlates more strongly with future fantasy point production than actual target rate.
51:18The next two are both about first downs first down per route run rate correlates more strongly than yard per route run rate.
51:25And I think yard per route run rate is generally thought of as like the best receiver stat or one of the best receiver stats.
51:33Just total first downs correlates more strongly than fantasy points per game.
51:37And it, you, I mean, Heath definitely knows this from doing projections and stuff like you pretty much, you pretty much can't beat fantasy points per game.
51:45Like if you just look at last year's fantasy points per game, that's pretty instructive.
51:50You're probably going to do a really good job of just like predicting what's going to happen the next year for the most part.
51:57Just getting first downs, total first downs correlated more strongly.
52:01And if you look at age of Brown, he's been one of the absolute best in the league at creating first downs during his time in the league.
52:09And then he also has these massive first retarget shares again, playing with Devante Smith at a 42% first retarget rate in
52:162024, which was just behind Malik neighbors who was on a giants team that had no one else.
52:22It was my neighbors at 42.8% AJB at 42.1%.
52:25The next highest was Drake London at 35%. Even last year, he was seventh in the league, higher than Trey McBride, higher
52:31than Chris Alave, higher than say flowers or guys who were clearly the top option in their offense.
52:37And AJ Brown had a 35% first retarget rate while playing alongside Devante Smith.
52:41So we're one year removed from wide receiver one in the whole league types of rates from AJ Brown.
52:47And now he gets to play with less target competition than ever before with by far the best passer he's ever played
52:54with in a high scoring and pass heavy offense.
52:57Like unless he's total dust or gets hurt, I think he easily is a strong bet to lead the wide receiver position in scoring.
53:04Hmm. I don't know about leading the position in scoring, but I'm very comfortable with where I drafted him and using taking him over Jefferson is pretty interesting.
53:13Um, definitely could see it. Heath, you've been sort of, uh, cautious with AJ Brown.
53:18Any, any changes in your muted? No, I, um, listen, I, I have been cautious.
53:22I think I've got him, I've got him in round three now.
53:26Um, I hope he's still AJ Brown. I think all the things about Jacob talking about how good AJ Brown was.
53:33And I do think you have to say was because he wasn't last year.
53:37Um, is it's just like you, you hope that he's still the same guy and that the knee is okay.
53:43It's kind of, I was thinking about how he's kind of Mike Evans adjacent.
53:48He's four years younger, so it's not the same argument, but it's older wide receiver who has some injury questions going to
53:55a new team that has not recently been very high in wide receiver targets.
53:59Um, yeah, there's, there's differences to Brown's better than Mike Evans and Brown's younger than Mike Evans.
54:04Um, I do, I do worry about the knee and worry about the health and worry if he's still quite the same guy.
54:11And yeah, just hold on because I think AJ, you're right.
54:15In one sense, like there was a report for what it's worth, a report by Jeff McLean of the Philadelphia inquirer said
54:22the Rams were interested in AJ Brown, but they were not satisfied with his medicals.
54:26And he also said, McLean said that the knee was part of the reason that the Eagles didn't get more for AJ
54:33Brown because people, he went, he went for a 20, 27, fifth round pick and a 20, 28, first round pick.
54:40And people thought that was underpaying or a good value for AJ Brown.
54:44So I think that's really important to know that he might have a knee issue here.
54:49All right, we got to, let's move on to, um, to me.
54:52Yay. Red, white and boom. Red has pumped the brakes going a little too early.
54:57White is perfect draft value and boom is going to exceed that draft value and maybe win your league.
55:03All right. Red, Caleb Williams. He is QB six, 72nd overall.
55:07I love Caleb Williams. I really want to get Caleb Williams going into the off season.
55:11I thought this is a guy I'm going to target.
55:15Maybe he'll be somewhere around 90th overall. Something like that.
55:18No, he's QB six and he's 72nd overall. He's 23 picks ahead of Brock Purdy.
55:22Brock Purdy has finished as a top six quarterback in two of his last three seasons on a per game basis.
55:29He's 24 picks ahead of Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford won the MVP last year and was, I think QB two per game.
55:36Um, right up there. He's a 24 picks also ahead of Patrick Mahomes and Jackson Dart.
55:41So I love Caleb Williams. He could be better than all of them.
55:45I would rank him ahead of all of them.
55:48I'm not willing to take him two rounds earlier than all of those guys.
55:52You know, that would be Purdy Stafford, Mahomes Dart, not to mention Trevor Lawrence is in that mix.
55:58There's just such good quarterback value that I think while I do like, uh, Caleb a lot, I don't think he should
56:04be basically in his own tier ahead of all those other guys.
56:08White. So the, the right ADP is T Higgins 38th overall wide receiver 19.
56:13This is where he's finished on a per game basis in his last five seasons, uh, beginning with 2025 and working backwards
56:1916th per game, fifth per game, 42nd per game, 13th per game and 13th per game.
56:24One bad year in 2023 when Joe Burrow was hurt and Joe Burrow was kind of bad.
56:30Other than that, he's been top 16 per game.
56:32T Higgins is going as wide receiver 19 right now.
56:36It just, it's perfect. I don't think he has huge upside unless that target per out run rate comes back up to where it was in 2024.
56:44That seems a little unlikely, but I think he's a really safe pick in round three and boom, Josh Downs 97th overall wide receiver 44 in ADP.
56:52He ran more than 80% of the routes in three games last year.
56:56And honestly, he didn't do that well, but Daniel Jones was not the quarterback for any of those games.
57:02The year before he ran 78% or more of the routes in six games.
57:07He scored 19.5, 22.2, 19.4, 6.2, 15.1, and 19.4.
57:10That is 19.4 or more PPR fantasy points in four of six games in which he ran 78% or more of the routes in 2024.
57:17They talked about moving Josh Downs outside more. Got to get him on the field.
57:22Obviously, they lose Pittman. I am concerned about Daniel Jones.
57:25I am concerned about the offense. But this is the value pick here.
57:29Of the three wide receiver slash tight ends on this team, wide receiver 44, 97th overall for Josh Downs.
57:35If you want to be a little cautious and get a piece of the Colts offense, which was number one in the
57:42league last year when Jones was healthy, this is the guy to get really good on a per route basis.
57:48And I watched more film last night. Every time I watched Josh Downs, I am amazed at how he just destroys cornerbacks,
57:55gets open, makes people look stupid, and he will have his best year.
57:59And I think, you know, boom is a little crazy.
58:02I don't think he's going to win you your league, but I think he could be somewhere around wide receiver 24.
58:09Okay. Red Caleb Williams, white T Higgins, boom, Josh Downs.
58:12Any disagreements here? I like Caleb Williams this year.
58:15I think your reasoning is fine, though. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot to like a quarterback.
58:21I love Caleb Williams. Somebody had, it could be amazing, but it's, it's about that time of year where I start doing
58:27the, somebody had a good tweet and I can't remember who it was, so I'm not going to give him credit, but
58:34it was basically talking about how the top five quarterbacks are cheaper than they've ever been.
58:39And guys in the Caleb Williams range are more expensive than they've ever been.
58:44Like we just kind of smooshed QB together. And I think that kind of makes sense because you get to a certain
58:50point in the draft where like, do I take a guy who I know is the starting quarterback or do I take maybe Josh Downs?
58:58Um, and most people are going to choose Caleb Williams and all, and the, and the starting quarterbacks over him, but they
59:05also don't want to draft a quarterback in round two so that the elite guys have fallen down.
59:11I think it's hard for me to justify Caleb's ADP, but it is also a pretty easy fix.
59:16He just has to learn how to throw the ball where he wants it to go.
59:21Yeah. He's phenomenal. Um, I'm really excited for him, but, uh, yeah, he's had a, he's not phenomenally, phenomenally accurate.
59:28No, he's one of the lead. JJ McCarthy's the only quarterback who had a lower completion percentage than Caleb Williams.
59:34Um, also he runs a lot, but he doesn't run a lot near the goal line.
59:39So he's not scoring a ton of rushing touchdowns.
59:42Caleb Williams has three goal line carries in his career.
59:45Um, also I think like probably more important, um, than my reaction to those names was Dan's reaction to your soccer ranch.
59:52Yeah. Well, he's, he's, he's wrong. First of all, uh, Dan saying note for Adam while I was heated and ready to rant because of the red card.
60:00It is. It's an example of Adam and me, Dan, not knowing soccer, apparently regardless of intent, it's always a red cleats up.
60:07Well, I was reading an article, I think from the athletic this morning that said there was a little bit of discretion
60:14there that they could have, like they took away a red card from messy earlier in the tournament tournament tournament.
60:20Um, so I don't think it's, it's, but my further point was if that play is what gets you a red card
60:27and a red card gets you disqualified. You can't be replaced and you're suspended for at least one match.
60:33Then red cards are stupid and we need to do something about red cards and how stupid they are.
60:39Dan is stupid too, because he also is already talking smack about tennis.
60:43We're a month and a half away from our match.
60:46I'll be getting waxed this year. According to Dan, I have not closed the gap at all.
60:52The gap is getting wider. How is the gap getting wider when you never play and I play six zero six Oh six two is what he's predicting.
61:00That will not be the case. Um, I feel pretty decent about it, but we'll see, you know, you're lucky that I'm injured.
61:08Dan Schneier. Also, I hope all of you will watch the match.
61:11We're going to stream it. It's going to be fun.
61:14We're going to raise a lot of money. We're going to, I think we should play some doubles with, with Jamie and
61:21Heath personally and make Dave the ball boy, but we'll, uh, we'll figure out creative ways to, uh, to raise some money for St.
61:29I'd love to do that. It's actually, it's July.
61:32I should mention draft a thon is, is coming up.
61:35FFT open is coming up. We're expanding from 2014.
61:37We've gone from eight to 12 to 24 to now 36 leagues in the FFT open.
61:42That means if we sell out all of our spots, we're going to raise $99,000 for St.
61:48Jude is unbelievable. The best thing we do is this draft a thon.
61:52So, um, more info on that. That's that'll be like probably three ish weeks away where we start putting those spots up
61:59maybe a little bit later than that. But if you want to be in the FFT open, you have plenty of opportunities, 36 leagues.
62:06Um, and yeah, then all goes to St. Jude.
62:09Thanks to Jacob Gibbs for coming on. Watch beyond the box score.
62:13Thanks to Heath Cummings for coming on. Watch FFT dynasty.
62:16Dynasty. Thanks for Dave Richard to coming up. Thanks to Dave Richard for coming on.
62:20Watch FFT express in five minutes as Dave and I are going to be recording that.
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