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1:17What a play! Can you believe this? You have no idea.
1:21It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races!
1:24And he stays on his feet! He's just gonna go the distance!
1:27Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:30Wait, wait, don't talk, don't talk. Hold on. Dan.
1:32We're on the air. We're waiting for you. BTV went late.
1:35Can I get a street yard link? It's not in my email.
1:39It sucks. That can't be true. Tell him it's from Sam, not Thomas.
1:43It's from Sam. We're on the air right now.
1:45We're having this conversation in the air. I don't get it.
1:48He's gonna curse. Why are we doing this? He's definitely on the email with the street yard link.
1:53And now I can tell you, it's mailbag time!
1:56Adam and Jamie are here. We were waiting for Dan.
1:59Dan, Beyond the Box Square went late. I'm sorry.
2:01I'm gonna make fun of him now. Beyond the Box Square went late.
2:05Nobody sent me a stream yard link, of course.
2:07He did get a stream yard link. Here he is.
2:10Stream yard is the program we use to record our podcast.
2:13You all right over there, buddy? No, Beyond Stress for other reasons, but okay.
2:17This is gonna be a doozy. I'm gonna make you feel better.
2:21In the last 30 minutes, I walked into a spider web and freaked out, because I hate that.
2:26And I ate what I thought was a grape, but it was actually a tomato, and it was disgusting.
2:31Like, it was a fine tomato, but when you think you're eating a grape, and you eat it, and it's a tomato?
2:37Because it was like one of those purple-y tomatoes, like, looked like a grape?
2:41Oh, it was horrible. I don't know that I've ever seen a grape that looked, a tomato that looks like a grape.
2:48That's a first for me. Well, there are grape tomatoes.
2:50Yeah, but this was like, it looked like a long grape.
2:53I was like, this is an oddly shaped grape, and then I ate it, and it was definitely not a grape.
2:59Anyway, welcome to the show, Dan. I just had to do like 25 minutes worth of stuff in 10 minutes, and I went over by 7 minutes.
3:07So I'm not doing great, but with that said, I'm happy to talk mailbag today.
3:11I'm happy to talk auction strategy as well. So excited for the show.
3:15All right, so here's what's... Dan, just wait. I got about 10 articles to send you today.
3:20Oh, that's awesome. That's all. I love when the articles drop like yesterday, like 7 p.m.
3:24I get notifications for four articles that come in.
3:27It's like, all right, well, do I have a chance to spend my night how I plan to, or no?
3:32Yeah, well, Dan is a... No, why am I complaining?
3:35We have the greatest job in the world. So I take all that back.
3:39Let me resettle, recalibrate. Shush, shush, shush. Important stuff here.
3:42And coming up, we have an auction talk. We're going to do that in the second half of the episode.
3:48We'll get mailbag first, auction talk, second half of the episode.
3:51We're going to tell you how to win your auction league.
3:54But even more important, I keep forgetting about this.
3:56We have our Leftovers League. It's our other podcast league.
3:59We're drafting September 2nd at 8 p.m. Eastern. If you want to be in the league, we have some spots available.
4:05Please email fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Put Leftovers League in the subject line.
4:08September 2nd, 8 p.m. If you can't make it, don't submit.
4:11Fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That's our email address for everything. But put Leftovers League in the subject line.
4:15Heath and I share a team. And then we compete against nine other people.
4:19We have like five spots left, I think. Anyway, it's 10 teams.
4:23I believe it's half PPR. And it's Superflex. All right.
4:26Did you steal that from me? Or did I steal it from you?
4:29The Leftover League. The calling it the Leftover League.
4:32It was sort of thrust upon me by someone at work.
4:35I didn't want to call it the Leftovers League.
4:37That's what I call all the leagues that I do for the people that you never let in.
4:42I know. I know. This used to be the For the People League, but whatever.
4:47Oh, that's what you used to call it. So you did steal it from me.
4:51That's right. No, I did steal it from you.
4:54Someone higher up made me call it the Leftovers League.
4:56Oh, that's so terrible. That's copyright infringement. You owe me money.
4:59All right. Let's get into the show. I'll do my Leftover Leagues too.
5:03Don't worry for everybody that Adam shuns. I didn't give some notes on the earlier Friday show, but Adam Schefter expressed optimism
5:09that Alec Pierce will be ready for week one.
5:12The Raiders haven't named their starting quarterback yet, although by the time you hear this, maybe they will have.
5:17Travion Henderson expected for week one. The Rams acquired Tutu Atwell from the Dolphins for running back Jarquez Hunter.
5:23Sean McVay said that was about having wide receiver depth, not about a possible Pukinacua suspension.
5:27That was the strangest trade I think I've ever seen.
5:30I was on the set for CBS Spotlight, whatever we call it, on HQ, and I'm sitting there with Dave and I go, this is a joke, right?
5:38It's like a fake Schefter account. Well, it's Dean Conner season.
5:41You know who that is, Adam? No, I don't know who that is.
5:45A little UDFA running back for the Rams that looks pretty good on preseason tape.
5:49That might be the reason they traded Jarquez. I don't know.
5:52Okay. I was going to say the Dolphins don't really need any more wide receivers.
5:56They're good there, so they can get rid of Tutu Atwell.
5:59To be fair, I didn't really know who that was either, Connors, but Jacob put me on to him.
6:05Okay. I'm sure he'll be great. Can you name the top five receivers on the Dolphins depth chart without looking?
6:10Yes, but let me tell you, Wando Robinson's being evaluated for a concussion.
6:14Isaiah Pacheco seems like his MCL was fine, but he has a back injury, so that's disappointing.
6:19Mike McDonald said that wide receiver Torrey Horton's injury is not a long-term one.
6:23Dolphins, we've got Chris Bell back. We've got Demario Douglas.
6:26We've got... Wrong already. Dan, you're up. Not Demario Douglas.
6:28What on there? Unofficial depth chart you're talking about?
6:31Caleb Douglas. Top five receivers on the team. Doesn't have to be the order.
6:35Adam Pacheco. No, come on. I got this. How is Bell wrong?
6:38Bell, Douglas, Malik Washington. First names. Jalen. Jalen Tolbert.
6:41Who's the fifth? Who is that? Do they even have anyone else on that depth chart?
6:45Another Jalen. Jalen. Jalen. Hopefully soon to be Jalen Hyde.
6:48Former first-round pick in the NFL draft. I can't...
6:51I don't know why I'm drawing a... Former first-round pick in the NFL draft.
6:55Yes. The Vikings celebrated it very profoundly. Oh, Jalen Naylor.
6:58Wow. Oh, he's on that team? Oh, my God.
7:00You're terrible. Not Naylor. Jalen Rager. Jalen Rager. Jalen Rager.
7:03Jalen Rager is the Rager. Yeah. All right. Justin Jefferson.
7:06Yeah, pick before Justin Jefferson. Okay. Draft-a-thon questions. Emails.
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7:33Now, next question is from Tyler in New York City.
7:36A key way to ID potential breakouts is to find underrated offenses.
7:39Last year, it was the Colts, at least prior to the Jones injury.
7:43Who are your top three offenses that you think are being underrated and you might want to target players on in drafts?
7:49The Vikings are the first and foremost for me.
7:51Been on them all offseason. There is obviously downside if Kyler is no longer seeing the field well and not playing at
7:58a high level, but they have a really easy schedule and they've been kind of slept on ADP-wise all offseason, with the exception of Jefferson.
8:05The Saints? No one seems to have any concerns about Tyler Shuck.
8:08Well, I mean, there's concerns. Otherwise, we'd be ranking him higher.
8:11And I think looking at this offense in a more favorable light, I think really the only two players that are getting
8:17drafted as starting fantasy options are Alave and Travis HN, and they have a pretty impressive resume, each of them.
8:23So, you know, the loss of Tyson doesn't make things better for Shuck and the Saints.
8:28That being said, I've said this a few times.
8:30Kellen Moore's history as a play caller, his quarterbacks have all scored when they've been the starter for the majority of the season.
8:37All average, excuse me. 21 points per game or more.
8:39And that's basically what Shuck was when he was the starter the second half of the season.
8:44Yeah, so the Saints, I would say, honestly, I would say the Colts again.
8:48People, you know, probably down on them a little bit.
8:51And I'm concerned about them, but they could be very good.
8:54And I would say the Packers passing game with a possibility of a Josh Jacobs suspension with just, I just feel like
9:00they're not going to run the ball quite as much as usual.
9:04And I want to tell you since 2022, when both Christian Watson and Jaden Reed entered the league, here are the top
9:10five wide receivers and fantasy points per target. Jaden Reed is number one.
9:14Jalen Naylor is number two. He's not on the Dolphins, though.
9:17Christian Watson is number three. Jamison Williams is four.
9:19And Keyshawn Booty is five. You have a very efficient offense.
9:22And I would say the passing game for the Packers to me is perhaps an underrated one because they are very efficient,
9:29but they just don't throw that much. I think they'll throw more this year.
9:33Tampa Bay, I think they bounce back. I think what we're looking for is clearly for what the teams that fit the
9:39bill last year, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Chicago is quarterback play that fans are questioning, not believing in and great offensive line play and
9:45great offensive scheming is really the combo there. So I mentioned the Vikings there.
9:49They're fit that bill perfectly. I think from the scheme, offensive line, questionable quarterback play.
9:53Jamie mentioned Tampa. They're they're expected. I'm trying to find out like I'm trying to figure out a nut saints are a good one.
10:00And I mean, I wouldn't put them now. I don't think the Giants qualify because the coaching standpoint, uh, uh, there's really,
10:06I mean, if you're looking down the board offensive line and scheme being a plus the Steelers, maybe if McCarthy can get
10:12back his magic from a schematic standpoint, we saw it with Schottenheimer.
10:16Um, I would say that the main culprits are the ones Jamie and I brought up earlier though.
10:21Okay. And I do think the Giants qualify from a personnel standpoint.
10:24Like they could take a big jump where I worried about, but it's Matt Nagy.
10:29Yeah. All right. Thank you for the question, Tyler.
10:31Much appreciated. Next up gamer, Eric, who is in the channel gamer, Eric, and I had an email exchange yesterday where he misquoted Rocky IV.
10:38I didn't want to embarrass him, but I'm going to embarrass him.
10:42He misquoted Rocky four. He's a big movie guy.
10:44So that's surprising. Yeah. He was pretty embarrassing. He's in the chat right now.
10:48And I think he has never done an auction.
10:51Let's see. He said hard to believe I've been playing for 25 years and still no auction.
10:55And, um, he said that as commissioner, one of the managers suggested this week, we should do an auction.
11:01We've had a hard enough time getting people to stay two to three hours for an in-person snake draft.
11:06What are some tips to overcome this? Um, so yeah, like how do you, we're going to talk more about auctions later.
11:12This is the only auction part in the first half of the show, but how do you get people to stay and
11:19have fun for two to three hours? Cause it is a long event, Dan.
11:22Are you talking about for an in-person live auction or an in-person done on the website auction?
11:27Um, they're very, two different things. I think he's talking about, I think he's, I don't know.
11:32I think he's talking about in-person. He said in-person snake draft.
11:35I would say the first thing you should do is make sure it's still on the online app.
11:40You all guys all get together, but do it online.
11:43Cause online will move it along and keep it going faster.
11:46Especially it's your first auction. It's pretty risky to do it offline.
11:50So keep it online and look the way it goes.
11:52It's pretty at this point, like from an online auction standpoint, it goes the time it's supposed to go.
11:58Will it go longer than a snake? Yes, but it's only, I bet.
12:01Like, I mean, just judging on our auction that we do every year, Jamie, that Dave organizes, what do we lose?
12:07An extra 35, 30 to 45 minutes, maybe an hour at most.
12:11Not really. Um, that's a lower rostered elite player league, but you know, you, you're going to just add 30 to 60
12:17minutes as far as like keeping people engaged. It's up to you.
12:20Like, is your league into fantasy football? And are they nerds about fantasy football?
12:24Cause if not, they shouldn't do an auction. If they are, then they're going to be engaged the entire time.
12:30The auction is the most engaging way to play fantasy football by far.
12:34You need to be aware of every single bid.
12:36You need to have in your mind a value on every single player.
12:40There's no zoning out like you can do in a snake.
12:43That's not true. You can zone out. If you spend money early, you could zone out, I guess, technically, but you should
12:49always be looking to hunt for value in auction.
12:52That's the whole point of an auction. Yeah. But if there's a player that you just don't want or can't use, like
12:58if you have, you zone out, but his bid is over within seconds or minutes.
13:02Yeah. Yeah. You can zone out. I think the, the, the best way to make it more entertaining is to do it
13:08in person because then you're, you're, you're engaging with everybody and you're seeing how people are acting and reacting to bids.
13:14And clearly if you do it as a draft party, you know, you're getting to spend time with your friends, which is,
13:21you know, the best part of this. And if, if you like, I don't, I don't disagree with Dan about, you know,
13:27maybe doing it online, but still like, if you can find a way to get somebody to be an auctioneer, like that's just the jokes are endless.
13:34We did that last year and that it worked out really well.
13:38It, yeah, it's, it's actually, I, it's kind of a must.
13:41You don't want someone in the league being the auctioneer.
13:44That's tough. It's too, I should come up for your auction this year and we'll play some tennis, Adam.
13:49September. We're, we're set. It's going to be next week.
13:52We're trying to figure out the spot for me in the league.
13:55Maybe. Maybe. Oh, that would ruin Adam's advantage. No, I mean, you got to take down the auction expert, you know?
14:01All right. Um, I guess I just, one more suggestion.
14:04If you are intimidated by the time is I think we've done this in baseball before.
14:09You could take like the top, you have to figure it out.
14:12Like you're in a 12 team league. You do eight rounds with that's 96 players.
14:16You could take the 96 top players, however you determine it by ADP or whatever, and do auction for them and then do the rest snake draft.
14:24Yeah. Afterwards. You also, if you want to get done quickly, just spend all your money and don't care about your dollar bits.
14:30You could go studs and dods, right? And zone out or whatever.
14:34Yeah. Zone out. All right. Here's an email at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com from Nick.
14:37Nick says, Hey, Otto, Reggie, Maurice, and Sam from an underrated TV show.
14:41Otto, Reggie, Maurice, and Sam. Sam from an underrated TV show.
14:44I'm supposed to be the guy who knows TV.
14:46Rocket power. I have no idea. Oh, rocket power.
14:49Were you too old for rocket power? That was right in my age range, Adam.
14:53Yeah. Oh, Schaefer is like all about rocket power.
14:56I could see. Yeah. I was about to hop on and say rocket power, but you beat me to it.
15:01Schaefer's such a, if I could just look at Thomas Schaefer, I would, and someone said, Thomas Schaefer's a rocket power fan.
15:08I'd be like, that checks out a hundred percent.
15:10He looks like the people in the show to some extent.
15:13And he probably still calls people shoobies. You know what a shoobie is?
15:17No, but this is great. I love it. Yeah.
15:19I know what a shoobie is. Thomas does, obviously.
15:22Adam must be a shoobie then. Adam is. Adam a hundred percent would be a shoobie.
15:27He would be. He would be. He's like, that's a Glock shoobie.
15:30All right. The question is, why do you have Brock Bowers ahead of Trey McBride?
15:34I think Bowers is in a spot where he could lead the NFL in targets.
15:38I think he could have an opportunity to be among the reception leaders.
15:42You're talking about a guy that had an elite profile as a rookie battled through a PCL injury last year.
15:48I think if he had sat out and maybe came back at the end of the season, instead of trying to play
15:54through it, we would have gotten the best of ours.
15:57But you saw that one game against Jacksonville. I love Trey McBride.
16:00I just think we're gonna have a better run game in Arizona than we had last year.
16:05You're going to get more opportunities. Remember, a lot of what McBride did at the end of the season was without Marvin Harrison.
16:11So you got Harrison and what should be a better version of Michael Wilson there.
16:16So given the receiving core for the Raiders, they both have questionable quarterbacks in my mind.
16:20I think there's more upside for Brock Bowers. Slightly, but more.
16:23Okay. Yeah. I mean, Bowers is like, you know, he's just sitting there on like the tight end beach and then McBride comes in.
16:30He's a total shoobie. Yeah. McBride wouldn't be a shoobie, but you, you, you would.
16:34Yeah, I would. I looked, I Googled. The other question was, I'll give this one to Dan.
16:39Why are we not higher on Chris Olave? After Shuck took over, he was sixth in points per game.
16:45Why is he ranked 11th, especially with Jordan Tyson's injury?
16:47I think not only six in points per game, I think he's like wide receiver three overall or something.
16:53After Shuck took over, I saw that stat yesterday from Dave Kluge.
16:56I guess the reason to not be more excited about him is his injury history with the concussions.
17:01The fact that he's hurt right now. We have very little information based off of that.
17:06And thirdly, the fact that he's not hurt. Oh, he's fine completely.
17:09He came down and practiced and they just said he got the wind knocked out of him.
17:14Okay, good. Cause I hadn't heard any updates on that.
17:17That's good. Um, and then for me, the main one, which has nothing to do with injuries, which is like, if you,
17:23if you look at it like this, I mean, there's just no way that the schedule they had at the end of
17:29the season, this is a big thing for Shuck too.
17:32It just cannot possibly repeat itself. It was a dead Panthers defense, a dead Jets defense, a dead Falcons defense.
17:38And then one other, like it was literally like the five of the worst defenses in the NFL they're matching up against.
17:44So if you care about that and you think that factors in because you're worried about, you know, we're saying he was
17:50wide receiver six, but it's over a very small sample size, sample size included four games against the worst defense in the NFL.
17:57Then that is something you should factor into why you wouldn't want to draft a Meyer.
18:01Yeah. Great point. And there's also a lot of great players around him.
18:05I was about to say, I mean, there's so many guys, what are you gonna do?
18:09You'll put ahead of CD lamb and George Pickens.
18:12He was better than was better than lamb last year.
18:15All right. Let's take a break. Thank you very much for the email, Nick.
18:19Oh, wait, wait. Let Eric guess. What's the ad?
18:21What is it? The ad. That's our new game.
18:24I guess the ad. Pretty soon we're gonna have live reads from Dan on here too.
18:28We did last week. Oh, we did. That's right.
18:31Yeah. No, this is this. My Z Biotics finally made the show.
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21:34And we are back. Okay, this one is from...
21:36I have no name here. Jamie, this is a quick one here.
21:39Hey, Buzz, Woody, and Rex. Oh, please tell me you know that, Dan.
21:43Obviously Toy Story. Yeah, Toy Story. Minions? I'm kidding.
21:46Okay. One of the few movies I've ever seen.
21:48What do you think of pairing the Carolina backfield?
21:51I've been seeing Brooks and Hubbard going rounds eight and nine and ended up with both of them in a couple mocks.
21:57Yeah, you know, that's the spot to, you know, take a chance on two players from the same backfield that we just
22:03don't have any idea of how it's all going to look.
22:06I think you could make it, it's a little bit earlier, but the Steelers backfield, you can do it with the Commanders backfield.
22:13You can do it with... I'm trying to think there's any others.
22:16You could do it with the Vikings. Oh, the Vikings.
22:19Yeah, that's a good one. You can look at all those, you know, duos and just see how it shakes out early in the season.
22:26And I think in the case of the Panthers, like, both can end up being flex options for you, you know, with
22:32Brooks most likely the first and second down guy, and then Hubbard working in and rushing downs and also being the passing downs guy.
22:39But I think, like, the Commanders, you know, if their offensive line holds up and what Rashad White does in the passing
22:45game, you know, same thing with the Vikings guys and what they'll be able to do, I think, in tandem.
22:51It's very easy to take chances on those backfields, especially if you take two running backs early and then you're looking for your third.
22:58If that's your third and your fourth, it's not a bad way to go.
23:02Tim in Radford, Virginia is really upset because he's got an outstanding commissioner in every way, except his commissioner still uses non-decimal scoring.
23:08Ugh. Yeah, and that produces more ties. Ties are settled by bench points, which seem absurd.
23:13What? Yeah, ties settled by bench points, that's worse.
23:15I actually don't hate that. No, that's horrible. Why should players not worthy of starting status ever determine an outcome?
23:21Am I crazy to be so against non-decimal scoring?
23:23Is there a benefit I'm missing? And I don't know if you've seen this, but in our email system now, sometimes we
23:30get AI-generated responses that we can use. So AI would have said to Tim, you're definitely not crazy.
23:35Non-decimal scoring is brutal and definitely outdated. There's really no benefit to it.
23:38Decimal scoring is the only way to go to avoid those unnecessary ties.
23:42I am with you on this one. Yeah, there is no benefit to non-decimal scoring.
23:46So just it's a simple cut and dry case here.
23:49And the bench scoring thing, I mean, that's- To some degree, I'd argue that this commissioner is not that great because he's doing this.
23:56Here's an email from- What are the three qualities you look for to a good commissioner?
24:00That's like- It is the opposite of Adam Azer in the Big Burger League.
24:04Is that what we're looking at? You just reminded me of the scene from the movie Road Trip.
24:09Or how about collecting dues and paying out on time?
24:12Is that a key one? JB's paying dues. JB's paying payouts from 2023.
24:16How do you think I brought it up? I did the audacity.
24:19I finally got paid on the Superflex League. I won the audacity.
24:23He's like, do you want me to just roll it over?
24:26Roll it over? I mean, come on. I want to feel like I want something.
24:30I said, do you want to put your entry fee in for this year?
24:34I thought you said roll it over. No. I had this discussion with Jack in the office.
24:39We both were just stunned by that whole question.
24:41But it's okay. We love it. That was while you quoted me incorrectly.
24:45Exactly. I thought I heard roll it over. That's what he said.
24:48So I blame Jack. Okay. So this email is from anonymous and he says, hello, bearded Adam and burping Dan.
24:54I feel like we are severely underestimating the value of Mark Andrews this year.
24:58Declan Doyle was a tight ends coach before being an OC.
25:01He has a history at Iowa with Kittle and Hawkinson.
25:04He most recently worked with Ben Johnson who produced great seasons with Laporta and Loveland.
25:08Yeah. Are we, are we underestimating Mark Andrews? And he's related to Mike Ditka.
25:12Underrating him, it's hard to say. Like, you know, when you start to compare him to the tight ends that are going
25:18directly in front of him, which I think in ADP, he's still tight end 13 or 14.
25:23So he's in that range with Dalton Kincaid. I would take him ahead of Kincaid.
25:27But are you taking him ahead of Travis Kelsey?
25:30Are you taking him ahead of George Kittle? Are you taking him ahead of Isaiah Likely?
25:34Are you taking him ahead of Dallas Goddard? You know, I would say he's behind all those guys because he just came
25:41off one of his worst seasons, maybe his worst season ever since his rookie campaign.
25:45So really comes down to and, you know, just to tie in our draft-a-thon, we had that wonderful moment where Scott Fish pulled in two random people.
25:53I know some people like Dan thinks it was planted, but two random people at Universal Studios.
25:57And one of them asked about Jacoby Lane and, you know, can he score five touchdowns?
26:02I don't know what the over-under is. You were insane for even thinking that Jacoby Lane is scoring five touchdowns.
26:08You don't think Jacoby Lane can score five touchdowns?
26:10I think he could. I think if I were going to bet the over-under on four and a half touchdowns, I'm 100%
26:16taking the under on a rookie wide receiver for the Baltimore Ravens scoring five touchdowns.
26:21But that's like his profile, though. But what I'm getting at is like that's the type of player that could ruin Mark
26:27Andrews because you need Andrews to kind of go back to what he was two years ago.
26:32You need him to be like Dallas Goddard. He's not going to still be an elite catch target yard guy.
26:37He's going to be a touchdown guy. And you need eight-plus touchdowns, I think, for him to crack the top 12.
26:43So I did a draft last week where I was picking on an end at the 12th spot.
26:48Whiffed on tight end. He was the best available option.
26:51I'm hoping he's going to score eight touchdowns. I'm hoping he's going to be the second guy in terms of targets for this team.
26:58But that could be all over the place because Bateman's had a strong camp.
27:02And again, Lane's going to be a factor here.
27:04So I know you're rooting for everybody. But I'm rooting for Mark Andrews.
27:08I hope he leads the team in targets. So I think he's just a good fallback option.
27:13I don't think he's somebody you should go and say, I have to target Mark Andrews.
27:17Well, the Ravens don't target Mark Andrews. He's played 17 games, two straight seasons.
27:21And he has 69 targets in 2024 and 70 targets in 2025.
27:25But I will say this to Anonymous. He just needs to get that target per route run rate up.
27:30And he needs to run more routes. But if he gets 90 targets, I think he's going to be really good.
27:36If he gets 70 targets, that's extremely difficult. And it's two straight years of full seasons with 70 targets.
27:41Yeah. That's tough. Now here's one from Tom in Minnesota.
27:44And he says, is David Njoku being completely overlooked as a potential tight end sleeper?
27:48He's not even ranked on CBS. He's tight end 30th on tight end 30 on fantasy pros.
27:53And yeah, all indications are Gadsden is not being seen as a starter.
27:57Charlie Kohler is. Yeah. Yeah. So now Njoku. Okay.
27:59You're not feeling it with Njoku. No, I mean, three tight ends.
28:03He'll probably rotate in with Gadsden and Kohler. Kohler getting the most.
28:06And then they'll run some 11 personnel stuff too because they have three good receivers.
28:10So no. I think Kohler's the guy if you're looking for like a really deep sleeper dart throw type of guy.
28:16Like it just sucks for Gadsden, you know, because he showed some promise last year.
28:21It sucks for Njoku who has had a, you know, good fantasy profile for us for the last five or six years.
28:27And both these guys, I don't think are going to get the opportunities that they're, they're used to getting and that we would like to see them get.
28:35So no. Sean Hellyer is in a slow draft and he has Christian McCaffrey.
28:39He wants to know if he should get Christian McCaffrey's handcuff and who that is.
28:43Based on last night, it looks like it's Kalen Black because he came in first.
28:47But Jordan James, who's missed time with injury and is now back after missing most of the training camp was right after him.
28:54And he looked good too. I thought I watched their tape because Jacob did a cup.
28:58I thought they both looked good. So I think it's anyone's guess.
29:02I think they went into this thing, wanting it to be Jordan James.
29:05My lean is now it's Kalen Black because Black has looked so good in the preseason and training camp and has proved to them.
29:12I can handle some of the receiving responsibilities. But we know for one thing, like at least from reading between the lines,
29:18Shanahan has mentioned that he doesn't want it to be like the situation it's been in the past where it's like I
29:24bring on the RB too and he's so one dimensional.
29:27They know we're running the ball. He wants someone who can catch and be a runner.
29:32And to me, based on their college profile, that's easily James.
29:35But if they feel comfortable given what Black has shown in camp in the preseason that he can be a receiving option,
29:41it's going to be Black, I think. I would guess that if McCaffrey gets hurt, it's both of them.
29:46Plus, you're going to get – I think this is one of those.
29:50They got so much flack for their draft night of Stribbling and Black.
29:54I know. They're going to try to prove us wrong.
29:57And they just would be the type of team that we're going to use Kalen Black, maybe in tandem with McCaffrey, not
30:03to the level that it's going to hurt McCaffrey that way.
30:06But we're going to put Black on the field.
30:08He's the first guy. Because they know James will handle the job if Black struggles in terms of being the second guy, right?
30:15They have, I think, enough faith in James that they can go to him.
30:19It's almost like when you draft to play a quarterback, we've got to play the veteran guy first because it's easier to go to the younger guy next.
30:27So draft capital, age favors James. He's actually younger than Kalen Black.
30:30He's 22. Black is 25. Draft capital, though, Black was a third-round pick.
30:34James was a fifth-round pick. So I would lean toward Kalen Black as well.
30:38I have a slightly different take than Dan on what we saw last night in the preseason game.
30:43Yes, Jordan James came in right after Kalen Black.
30:45But Kalen Black played each of the first two series and played, I think, every single snap.
30:50He did. And then his night was just over.
30:53And Kalen Black came in with the backup. And Jordan James came in with the backups.
30:57But then the second play of the game, I don't know if Kalen Black ran the route incorrectly.
31:02But he and Mac Jones weren't even close on a really short pass.
31:06And then later in the game, he got completely blown up in pass protection.
31:10So I didn't think it was that great of an outing for him.
31:14Not to say James would have done much better.
31:16James is a lot more explosive, I think, than Black.
31:19But, you know, I just... He is... Kalen Black last night was clearly ahead of Jordan James.
31:24Was that because James is ramping up? Because of the injury?
31:27That could be... And I just remember two years ago when McCaffrey played four games, I think we felt like it was
31:33going to be a split there as well. I remember...
31:36You know, I don't remember exactly what we said.
31:39But I remember that being said on the show.
31:41And it wasn't. It was Jordan Mason as a workhorse who had almost no involvement in the passing game.
31:47But he was getting... He was probably getting like...
31:49He was on pace for over 300 carries. So...
31:52That was also, though, Garendo's rookie season. And then he took over after Mason got hurt.
31:56Yeah. But it's Kalen Black's rookie season. But yeah.
31:59All right. Anyway... And Garendo, for what it's worth, could still be a factor too.
32:03He's on the pup list with a chest injury.
32:05Right. If he's healthy at any point, then it could be two or three guys.
32:10All right. Well, that's all the emails I have.
32:12Except for, of course... The Fantasy Cops! Here we go.
32:15Wait. Stop it now. Stop it. Yeah. Now both of you do your impressions.
32:19Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm still closer.
32:22That's how bad my hearing is. Jamie, come on.
32:25Who's closer? Huh? Who's closer? Oh, it's you by the way.
32:28Thank you. Wow. Wow. I mean, I am tone deaf and now I know.
32:32I thought, I always thought I lived my life thinking I was tone deaf.
32:36Now I know for sure that I am. Yeah.
32:38You said... I think it's Dan. What? Wow. Let's go, Thomas.
32:42Oh my gosh. Adam is way better. Adam wins.
32:44Adam... No chance. It's Dan. No chance. Thank you.
32:47Oh, wow, Sam. You're not... Dan, you are not the only tone deaf person on the podcast.
32:51Congratulations. You and Jeff have a lot in common.
32:54You guys are so... Thomas and Dan were bonding there for a little bit.
32:58You guys are the biggest shoobies I've ever met.
33:01All right. Here we go. This is from Sean.
33:0316-team keeper league. Four divisions. The top two teams from each division make the playoffs regardless of record.
33:08And we can keep three different player positions and team owners can also trade future year draft picks for players and the trade deadlines week eight.
33:15So I started out two and five. My season looked bleak.
33:19So I traded a few of my top players to the top two teams in my division.
33:23And I got both of their first round picks and a third round pick.
33:27My thoughts were fire sale for my team this year, meaning 2025, and extra picks for 2026.
33:32And that would not only help me, but hurt my division opponents because they don't have their first round picks.
33:38But here's the problem. The league commissioner announces to the league after the week eight trade deadline that next year, 2026, we're
33:44going to shuffle the teams and create new divisions.
33:47There was no vote for this. I immediately contacted him and said that I, and I assume others, have made trades in
33:53their division this year with the purpose of having an advantage next year.
33:56And I went on and explained in detail why I made decisions and why I felt deciding to shuffle the divisions now
34:03was a bad idea and not really fair, especially mid season and after the trade deadline.
34:07He didn't care. He said he made the decision and it was final.
34:11He said, if I don't like it, I don't have to play next year.
34:15I then tried to explain how I was more or less forfeiting in 2025 a $250 league fee.
34:20And that was all for the purpose of setting up for next year.
34:24So then he booted me from the league immediately and kept my league fee, refused to respond or take any of my calls.
34:30Was the commissioner out of line even before he kicked me out?
34:33Was I right in my thought that he should have had a league vote before the season starts and make the change after the season?
34:41Would love your thoughts. First of all, I want to start by saying I'm angry at Frank in the chat.
34:46Now is Dan, the commissioner league? Yes, I would never do anything like this in my life.
34:51And I've been commissioner of multiple leagues, including my home league, which is going into year 20.
34:56Will I kick someone out for inactivity or poor play and making horrible trades?
35:00Maybe, but not in this regard. I won't just kick someone out because he doesn't agree with a ruling I made.
35:06And this is a terrible decision by the commissioner.
35:08You have to you can't just rule on something without pulling the league when usually when you're going to make a big
35:14change like this, it has to be in effect the year after.
35:18That's usually how good commissioners do it. So, yeah, obviously this is terrible.
35:21I also don't really understand this, Adam and Jamie.
35:24Like, is this a friend league or is this just like it is or no?
35:28No, that's the same. Like, who does this? Because this doesn't happen in friend groups.
35:32You can't take somebody's money. He's a jerk. He's a jerk.
35:36Unless it's not a friend league. And it's just like this is like, oh, I met some guys online.
35:41I'm taking this 250 and I'm laughing to the bank.
35:44I don't know. He's a jerk. I mean, that's illegal.
35:47So, yeah, I think. Yeah, I'm confused, though. Didn't he say he made the decision after the week eight trade deadline?
35:53The commissioner. Yeah. Like, so this guy makes a trade tank, basically tanking this year, getting two first round picks next year,
35:59weakening his future opponents in the same. I got all that.
36:02And then after the trade deadline, the commissioner says, oh, we're reshuffling the divisions.
36:06You're not going to be in the same divisions.
36:08Crazy. Yeah, you can't do it. Right. But he's doing that for 2020.
36:12I just because you guys are saying he has to do it after the season.
36:16So he wasn't doing it after week eight for the rest of the 2025 season.
36:21He was doing it for 2026. Yeah. But if people are.
36:24I'm not saying he's right. I'm just trying to get the timeline.
36:27No, you're right. It didn't mean that it was after the trade deadline or before the next season started.
36:32He needed to do it farther enough in advance where no draft pick, you know, were.
36:37Well, I don't think that unless he was purposely trying to ruin this particular manager's situation.
36:41I don't know if that was the case. Like, we don't know.
36:45Like, it could be like, hey, I'm tired of the same divisions for the last 10 years.
36:50I think we should shake it up a little bit.
36:52Should put it to a vote, obviously. Can't just make that decision arbitrarily.
36:56But I don't know if like if this the personal email to us is just saying, oh, he's doing it to screw
37:02me over because I took draft picks away from other players in my division.
37:06Like that would be very crappy if that was the decision.
37:09Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to get rid of some of these fantasy cops to make time for some auction talk.
37:16So let's go. Never get rid of the fantasy.
37:18Don't get rid of cops. We'll do less. No, no, no, no, no.
37:22I'm not good. Oh, damn it. I forgot to play.
37:25Jamie, it's Friday afternoon right now. You know what tonight is?
37:28There's no way Dan knows what that's from. No idea.
37:31All right. What is that from? A movie called The Greatest Opening Scenes in Movie History.
37:35Yeah. The Last Boy Scout. The last what? Boy Scout.
37:38Dan, you will love it. There's never been a football scene where there's 45 defenders on the field.
37:43It's so crazy movie. All right. The question here is from KC.
37:46In a redraft league, we get to keep one keeper in the round they were drafted in the prior year.
37:52Our commissioner just announced that he's making a trade with another team.
37:55He's keeping Jameer Gibbs in round one, but he drafted James Cook in the third round, and now he's trading James Cook
38:02in exchange for Fab and a late round pick swap.
38:04But he isn't keeping James Cook. So technically, he isn't on the team.
38:08What do you guys think? Should you only be able to trade the person you're keeping?
38:13You should only be able to trade the person you're keeping.
38:16This is a cut and dry one. Okay. But then you don't have any keepers?
38:20No, you're trading your keeper for somebody else's keeper.
38:23But he was trading for Fab and a late round pick swap.
38:26I mean, unless that's something that's established. Like you can do obviously some different amendments to your keeper rules where you're going
38:32to keep two players until X date, and then it's down to one player if you want to make trades to do that.
38:39But I think if you're just in a one keeper league, it's got to be I'm keeping Gibbs, and I'm keeping Gibbs
38:45for a first round pick, but I want to get James Cook for a third round pick.
38:50So I'm going to trade Gibbs to get the first round pick back, and I'm going to get James Cook.
38:55So let's say like you have Gibbs and your pick 10, right?
38:59So I don't know. It doesn't make sense. But you get my point.
39:02Like you want to get a better pick in round one.
39:05Yeah. All right. That's it for the fantasy cops.
39:08We'll try to do more next show, but we've got to save some time for auction.
39:13I'm going to take a break and come back and tell you how to win your auction league.
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39:21What's the ad? I can't keep doing this. Come on.
39:24All right. We'll be right back. How much time do we spend on this podcast talking about value?
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40:10Hey, before we jump back into the show, let's take a quick break.
40:14But not just any break. This is a refreshing break with Snapple.
40:18We all know about Snapple's iconic real facts. So let's take a minute to go over some of my faves.
40:23Snapple Real Fact 1-9-8-3. The first player drafted to play pro football never played in the league.
40:28Snapple Real Fact 1-1-1-9. The Grand Canyon could hold about 900 trillion footballs.
40:32Snapple Real Fact 2-0-6-4. The first college football game broadcast on TV was on September 30th, 1939.
40:36Snapple Real Fact 1-8-9-6. The tradition of playing football on Thanksgiving originated with college football in 1876.
40:41So grab a Snapple, take a second, and enjoy the moment.
40:44Because let's be honest, this might be the most refreshing part of your day.
40:48Snapple, make your break more interesting. All right, now let's get back to the show.
40:53How to win your auction drafts, your auction leagues.
40:55Auctions are the most fair way to draft. Everyone's got an opportunity to get every player in the player pool.
41:01Real quick, why don't we talk more about auctions?
41:03I think it's very difficult. I think every auction is so unpredictable and has a life of its own.
41:09You're doing a snake draft. You're going to have a pretty good idea of who's going to be available to you at different points in the draft.
41:16Auction is tough. They just are their own living, breathing thing, it seems.
41:20And yeah, it's hard to do a lot of content around it.
41:23But they are super fun. We got this comment earlier in the show that says, Dan gets no credit on this show for anything.
41:30I think that was after his pretty horrible Fantasy Cops rendition.
41:33But he should get a lot of credit for his auction advice.
41:37So what are some tips you want to give right out of the gate, Dan, for winning your auction?
41:42We do this show every year, literally around this exact time on the mailbag.
41:46So I don't want to repeat any of the tips yet.
41:49I want to start with something new I haven't talked about on the show, which I think gives you a really good opportunity to build out everything.
41:57So first thing you can do, and this is for people who are playing in repeat auction leagues.
42:02I think that'll be the majority of the people listening and wanting advice.
42:05Look at last year's auction results, go player by player, and fill out by your rankings.
42:10And I'm sure you have rankings, or I hope by this point you have rankings, if not create rankings.
42:15Fill out what, let's say, the QB1 went for last year, what the QB2 went for last year, QB3 and down.
42:21What the RB1, RB2, RB3. Fill them out, the pricing from last year, and then build out your entire draft board and your auction strategy based on that.
42:29This is the best way that I've learned how to play auctions.
42:33So I'll know, if I like a lot of the receivers in that Waddle range, that Waddle-Abuca range, well, they went for
42:3913, 14 last year, and I could build them out, start placing them wide receiver two, wide receiver one.
42:44And then you get a feel for how you want to build your auction out.
42:48And in a sense, you can have multiple builds.
42:51So I'll do that for one build. Then I'll do another build.
42:54This is the build if I buy Bowers. This is the build if I buy whatever it may be, buy Gibbs or whoever it may be.
43:02And you come up with eight or nine different strategies on a separate sheet in Google Sheets, all based on your projected salaries for the wide receiver two.
43:10And use ADP. Do not use your rankings to rank it down.
43:13Use the most updated ADP. This will give you a great sense and feel for how to build your roster out, what you can do.
43:20And it'll stop you from doing things like overexposing yourself early in an auction and then panicking and having to kind of like reel off a strategy mid-draft.
43:28Because what that could lead to at times is you ending up with money at the end of your auction, which is
43:34the worst possible scenario, or you just having no way to recover at the end of your auction.
43:39If you build it out in a certain way and you create eight to nine or ten multiple builds, it will give
43:45you all sorts of contingency plans to create a great draft and not be left over with money at the end.
43:51Okay. That's really good advice. Do you really do all that?
43:54I do all that by hand. I'm sure there's an AI way to do this, which sucks, but I kind of enjoy it, though.
44:01It's kind of fun to look back at last year's results and be like, this guy went for this, and then find your values that you like, right?
44:09Yeah. And I would just say, if this sounds intimidating to you, you don't have to do it.
44:14Dan loves it, right? And I think a lot of people do.
44:18I remember when we were kids, I would handwrite all of my rankings and cross it out as I crossed everybody off
44:24the list as we were doing drafts, and I enjoyed that.
44:27I don't do it anymore because it would be pointless, but you don't have to do all that work.
44:32I really don't do any preparation going into my auction.
44:35I'm playing in a somewhat casual league, my auction league.
44:38I would do more prep if I were playing against Dan and Jamie and all that, but you don't have to do everything Dan said.
44:45But that is really cool advice, really great advice.
44:48I think just one thing maybe to modify it to make it simpler for people that aren't as into it as Dan
44:54is, like you can just, the second part of it, I think once you go through the cost of the players from
45:00last year, you just kind of tie that into tiers.
45:03Like I would get rid of the ADP part of that.
45:06I would just tie it into whatever tiers like you look at.
45:09So if you tier players yourself, if you use a tier system that other people use, that's I think just an easier
45:16way to sort of marry the two things. So like if you want to see what the players went for last year,
45:22and then you just start to tier those guys.
45:24So knowing that, okay, that waddle group that Dan referenced, like there's six players in that tier that I like.
45:30So I know I'm going to try and get one of those guys.
45:34And that's kind of a neat, I think just easier way to sort of make it happen for you.
45:39And one thing I see in the chat. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
45:42No, no, no. If you want to keep going, go for it.
45:46I was going to say one thing I see in the chat, which I think some people do like to do, and
45:52that's why there are such things as bidding wars and auctions.
45:55Someone said there have to be players you're willing to go higher on.
45:59I actually find that my best teams and all of my championship teams are the teams where I draft players in my
46:05auction that I didn't go in wanting. It's that I drafted them that I looked at my tiers, I have my tiered
46:11rankings, and this guy's for some reason going for $12 in a range of $18 guys.
46:16I didn't like him, but I went for him because of the value.
46:19And then if you continuously do that throughout an auction, you end up having a better chance to win, in my opinion,
46:26by letting the board fall to you. That's the beauty of the auction to me.
46:30It's that you can let the board fall to you.
46:33Top two or three tier and then live in sort of like a middle tier for all these guys.
46:38So it's almost like you're getting one sort of superstar or one borderline superstar at a running back, a wide receiver spot.
46:44I think the onesie positions are easy to target in auctions unless you're going for the top two or three guys.
46:50So if you love Laporta, Warren, Kraft, likely, just as it goes down, you'll be able to get those guys a lot cheaper than you think.
46:58If you love Dak and Lawrence and Caleb and all those quarterbacks, you'll get them much cheaper than you think.
47:03You let other people spend for Josh Allen and Brock Bowers and McBride unless you just really want those guys.
47:09Because if those guys are nominated early, people get a little too overexcited and they tend to spend more than they need to on those onesie spots.
47:16Yeah, I mean, that's definitely something I do. I'm actually trying to pull up my draft results from my auction last year.
47:23I can show you the team I put together.
47:25And the team, it wasn't great, I think, on draft night, but it doesn't end on draft night.
47:30So I like to get... Ooh, JSN for 11.
47:33That was a great pick. Nice. Good job. I tried...
47:36$100 or $200? $100. Nico for 21. I'll show you.
47:38I'll share the screen. But... Notepad. What's that? Notepad.
47:41It is true, though. Like, for me, like, after I have that all valued out, like, I don't use anything in my draft but my rankings.
47:48I just... I've always been a use-my-own-rankings kind of guy.
47:51I trust... I mean, I do this. I trust myself.
47:54So I think there are people who go a step further.
47:57If you want to take this even further, a couple of my friends have, like, Excel slash Google Sheets where it, like,
48:03adjusts based on the auction live and tells you where the values are going to be.
48:08You can take it a step further for sure.
48:10All right. So I will share... First, I'll share my three tips for winning your auction.
48:15Okay. And then I'll share the team I did last year, which I don't really think I followed my rules because it
48:21just probably didn't work out that way. Because you have to adjust.
48:25You can't just like... You do have to adjust, yes.
48:27All right. So let's... So my three tips for winning your auction.
48:31I try to get at least two great players.
48:33Now, easier said than done in a shallower league.
48:36I play at a 12-team auction, two running backs, two receivers, two flex, one quarterback, one tight end.
48:41It's a fairly normal size league. I try to get at least two great players.
48:45For me, that would be like two of the top 27, eight-ish, something like that.
48:49No, probably more like 25, 26-ish. But whatever it is for you, I want to get...
48:54There's no way I'm walking out without one unless it's just crazy prices.
48:58But I'd like to... So if you got Omari and Hampton and A.J.
49:01Brown, you'd be happy? I'd be very happy. Gotcha.
49:04Very happy. It doesn't have to be Jameer Gibbs and whatever, but I'd be very happy with that.
49:09I've always find the value... Anyway, before you go on, how much of your budget do you allot for those two players?
49:15So if it's... It changes if it's Gibbs, Bijan, and...
49:18Let's go anywhere from player 10 overall through 28 overall, whatever your number is.
49:22More like 25, 26. Tell me what you think.
49:24I think 50%. 45 to 55%, somewhere like that, depending on how things are going.
49:29When you said that, my number was 40%. 40?
49:31Yeah. Okay. First of all, if I get two great players, I'm probably a $1 or $2 quarterback guy.
49:37And I might be a $1 or $2 tight end guy.
49:40Yeah. And this is all of a $100 budget.
49:42And if you do that, then you can really spend up on two or more players.
49:47But I think the value in these drafts is usually the guys that are a little boring, like a DJ Moore or a David Montgomery.
49:54They could go for $4 late in your draft.
49:56No one's excited to nominate them. So they get nominated late.
49:59And not a lot of people have money at that point.
50:03I love to save money. I love to have money at the end.
50:06In a shallower league especially. You still have good players who are going to be nominated at the end.
50:12So I don't want to run out of money.
50:14I like to be a bully at the end and take all the guys I want.
50:19Yeah. I'm going to show you who I did that with last year.
50:22It was, sorry, I'm going to get rid of this.
50:25It was, of course, Isaiah Pacheco. I was so excited about it.
50:29I had $12 left. I remember it was my last player.
50:32He's like a $3 or $4 player, $5 player, whatever.
50:34I spent $12 on him just to get him.
50:37But yeah, I love to have money at the end because in that league, Tony Pollard for nine, that's probably a reach.
50:43That's probably late draft too. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, not to be like a Debbie Downer, Adam, but to me, I
50:49would consider that a poorly managed option. I was going to say the same thing.
50:54Well, okay. I understand that wasn't ideal, but I had Trevor Lawrence for one and Tyler Warren for two.
50:59Right. But if you took that $13 that you spent on Christian Kirk and Isaiah Pacheco and instead got two really good $7 players, $6 players.
51:06Look, man, there's always going to be in auctions.
51:09There's always going to be in retrospect that could have spent differently.
51:12This wasn't the best auction I did, but I got JSN for 11.
51:16I got Hampton for 15. Those were good values.
51:19And Trevor Lawrence for one and Tyler Warren for two were great values.
51:22And you don't have to- Hey, moment, I'll take this off the screen.
51:26This is not a great- Well, it's just not a great auction.
51:29I mean, some of the players you have here- Hey, look, it happens, man.
51:33I mean, we were excited about RJ Harvey last year, right?
51:36We were- Yes. And then the thing is like, you go back- I just see Caleb Johnson and Joe Mixon and it makes me squeamish.
51:43I know, right? But you never know when I pick them.
51:47Sometimes you have a lot of money left at the end of the draft and you just spend it because you have the money.
51:53But all right, that's how I approach it. I like to get two great players.
51:58I usually don't spend up on quarterback and tight end in an auction.
52:01And I like to have money left over at the end so I can get the values for those mid-round guys that
52:07are like, you know, somewhere between 40 and 60 in the rankings and just kind of slip through the cracks.
52:13So that's the end of my auction spiel. So to kind of piggyback off that, I think if you're of that mindset
52:19that you want to get those mid-tier players later, you should be nominating the high-end guys that you don't like almost every time.
52:26Let other people fight for those players. You know, so it could be, hey, I'm not spending on Jameer Gibbs.
52:31I want two people to go spend 50% of their budget on one guy and then I'm going to hope to do the same thing on B.
52:39John Robinson and I just know that I'm not going to get one of those guys.
52:44You could easily be one of the other players.
52:46You know, Dan used a phrase, which a lot of people will know, studs and duds.
52:51You want to go get one of those high-end players.
52:53Then by all means, go be that manager. There's nothing wrong with it.
52:57But if you know you want to live in the mid-tier and get a lot of those players and just have a
53:03balanced roster with a couple of guys like Adam said, let people fight for those high-end players and then early nominate the
53:10buzzworthy guys if you're not in on them. So like, for example, you'd want to say, hey, Marshawn Lloyd.
53:15Hey, Mike Washington Jr. Hey, Dejan Stripling. Those guys in most auctions, if you're just looking, or most drafts would be dollar and $2 players.
53:22You may get somebody spending $5 or $6 on those players or whatever your budget may be, $150, $200.
53:27I'm going on a $100 budget. Let those people spend money that should not be spent.
53:32And then you're getting somebody, hopefully, of a similar caliber that you like.
53:36For example, if I like Jalen Coker and I want somebody else to go get Dejan Stripling because everybody's talking about him
53:42or Casey Concepcion or one of those players, hey, bid up that, let that player go out early, spend the money early
53:48because everybody sits down at their auction, chomping at the bit.
53:51They're ready to go, ready to spend money. Be patient.
53:54Be patient. People are looking at my team and saying it was terrible.
53:58There's no way I did well. I was one of the highest scorers in the league.
54:02I lost in the semifinals and I led the league in scoring seven times that season.
54:07That's crazy, given how bad that roster looked. Yeah, no one else did it more than twice.
54:11I would say- This is your softball league, right?
54:14Yeah, by the end of the year, I had the best team without question.
54:18I just didn't win the championship. The second best team.
54:21So just so everybody understands, the thing about your softball team is if you finish in the top four in the fantasy
54:27league, they keep you on the team the next year no matter how bad you are as a player.
54:32The thing that you should understand is that your season's never over after your draft, whether it's an auction or a draft or whatever.
54:39Rico Dowdle was huge for me in that league, for example.
54:42Okay, anyway, yeah, Jamie makes a great point about nominating.
54:45Yeah, like what do you do? Let's say your guy is Dijon Stripling.
54:49Like you just have to have him. What's your approach with Dijon Stripling?
54:52Do you try to throw him out right away for $2 out of 100?
54:56No, of course not. Yeah. You try to throw him out for $1 and see if you get him?
55:02You don't throw him out early. The general rule with these auctions is do not nominate players you want to draft.
55:08There's just no value. Now, it's not always the case.
55:10There are some times you're right where you need to.
55:13There's never really a sneak through early in drafts when people have money, but there are times where you need to nominate
55:20a player you want toward the end of an auction.
55:22And what I mean by that is if your whole strategy was, I'm waiting for Kyler Murray.
55:27I'm just going to use an example. Kyler Murray at quarterback, and this is more super flex.
55:32Again, in these one QB auctions, which I don't do any of, it's just like, whatever, at this stupid...
55:37It really turns the quarterback position into a joke, even though I kind of feel like snakes do at this point, too.
55:44Just give you a strategy. But there are times at the end of a draft where it's like Murray or whatever, you're waiting on him.
55:51And you actually have to nominate those players early because if you're waiting and other people are waiting, you're now not bidding
55:57on all these other players who are being brought up before him because you're like, no, no, I'm going to get this.
56:03And then there's a bidding war with that, and you've just totally screwed yourself because other people were waiting on that last player.
56:10So toward the end of the auction is when I start nominating.
56:13But as far as early in an auction, if you have a sleeper like Stripling, do not nominate him.
56:18The key with auctions is never lock into certain players.
56:21That's really what the auction is all about. If you want to build out a great team, if you want to just
56:27get your guys, that's another way to play auction.
56:30Just, I want these guys on my team. I'll bid whatever it takes.
56:34And you could maybe win that way if you're very good that you're predicting who's going to break out.
56:39You will win that way, but you're certainly not getting value from that standpoint.
56:43I definitely would not do it early. I think if you're going to go with that mindset of, I got to get Stripling.
56:49I got to get Washington. I got to get Lloyd.
56:52I got to get whoever, you know? So like, I know for you, I'm just using example.
56:57I know for you, like Pacheco was somebody in the early part of this before he got injured.
57:02So you have to just assign a little bit of a dollar value to it.
57:06You know, so let's say like Dave, for example, he loves Jonah Coleman.
57:10He loves Concepcion. He loves Golden, right? Those are three of his favorite sleepers.
57:14If he knows like, I want to get those guys, I'm probably looking at them in a hundred dollar budget as $1 players.
57:20Maybe Concepcion was a $2 player and maybe Golden.
57:23Like I'll double that, but that's as high as I'll go.
57:26So if I'm late in the auction part of the process, I'll spend $2 on Coleman.
57:31But okay, if I lose him, I lose him.
57:33I'll spend $4 on Concepcion. But I can't go in with the mindset, like Dan said, you can't just hyper focus on somebody, especially early.
57:40Like in your case, you had $12 left for Pacheco.
57:43Okay, you know you can spend the most because you're playing bully ball at that point.
57:48That's totally fine, right? I want that guy so badly, I'm going to spend as much as I have to because everybody's
57:54now in dollar bids or $2 bids or whatever.
57:56You know, you're bidding against yourself. But in the case of doing it early, you're going to find like, oh, that's the guy everybody wants.
58:03So now a $2 guy is probably a $6 guy.
58:06And while that doesn't really hurt your budget, it also throws things off a little bit.
58:11Yeah, another point though is that Pacheco last year, look, obviously I liked him a lot and he was one of the worst draft picks I've ever made.
58:19But he was something like a sixth-ish round pick, right?
58:21Like he was a quality player, like deserved to be drafted.
58:25And he was available like three hours into the auction.
58:27Yeah. So just, that's always, if you're not familiar with it, there are a number of players.
58:32But that will fall through the cracks in auctions.
58:35That's Dan's point though. It's like, if you nominated him early, he's probably going for $7 or $8, which is, at that
58:41point, sixth round pick, that's around the value of it.
58:44You spent all your money at the end, right?
58:46That was your last. Yeah, that was my last.
58:49I had $12 left and I just spent it all.
58:52So what, if you could recall, what were you bidding against?
58:55$4 for somebody, maybe $5 for somebody? Can't remember.
58:57But that range, right? $4 for, you mean for Pacheco?
59:00No, no, no. The other people in your league were down to like $4 or $5 left.
59:05Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so you could have still got him for the same cost.
59:09Had you done that earlier, he might have been a player that slips through the cracks.
59:14Also, you might have had to spend $7 or $8 at that point, which would have just changed your whole philosophy.
59:20Yeah, right, right. Exactly. Okay, so no, fair enough.
59:22Um, now tiers, I think are super important in auctions.
59:25Jamie talked about that, but let's say, uh, let's take the top 11 running backs.
59:30I'm going to kick Chinty out of that group and say there are those 11 running backs right now.
59:35Um, and you, you, Jamie, you, you want to get one of them, right?
59:39Let's say that's, that's your goal. Um, what is like, do you not want to be the, do you not want to
59:45be bidding when there's only one left? Do you want to try to get in there before the tier ends?
59:51Yes. So I would just go with the idea, the mindset of, and you talk yourself into this however you want.
59:57Do you want to be in on, I'll say the top four guys, because I think those are going to be pretty
60:03locked in of Gibbs, Bijan, Taylor, McCaffrey. So if you want to be in, and there's a definite sliding scale with those
60:09two, but those four, if you want to be in on those guys, then just make the commitment that you know, you're
60:15gonna have to spend probably close to half your budget for either of the top two and maybe 40% for the next
60:21two guys or 35, 30 to 35% for the next two guys.
60:25I would probably look at it because this is the way I would approach it.
60:29I want to be in on Chase Brown, Ken Walker, Hampton, Barkley, Henry, again, sliding scale, A-chan, sliding scale.
60:34And so once I see how the, you know, the nominees are going, the nominations are going, I'll probably throw in Gibbs
60:41or throw in Bijon if it comes to me, let somebody else again spend money on that.
60:45And then after two or three of them are off the board, just knowing that they're in the same tier for me, then I'll start to jump in.
60:53I don't want to be in your scenario where I'm fighting for somebody and spending more than I have to because now
61:00two of us are trying to get one of the last players in that tier.
61:04Jamie has a great strategy for DSTs and kickers.
61:06He nominates them early in the draft for $1, the ones he wants.
61:10If someone goes for $2 on those kickers or DSTs, he says you can have them.
61:15It's a win. This is an easy way to get the DST and the kicker you want is just to nominate them
61:21for $1 and, you know, just get them. And if someone takes them, someone spends more than that, then that's on them.
61:27By the way, Clint Kubiak, somebody mentioned in the chat, I didn't even see it, but Clint Kubiak did talk about Ashton
61:33Gentry today and said, kind of seems like he's going to play week one based on what he said, but we're going
61:39to, we're going to, got another week to assess how he's going to look going into his first game, but we're counting
61:46on him, I think is what he said. So there's a good chance that Gentry plays early in the season.
61:51Good chance Jeremiah Love plays early in the season.
61:54We just don't know how healthy they'll be. Um, I think we already said it, but nominate players that you don't want
62:00that you think will go for a lot of money just to get some money off the board.
62:05Like, I'm not a Josh Allen guy. I'll nominate Josh Allen and someone's going to go spend a bunch of money on
62:11him and that's going to help me down the line.
62:14Uh, anything else, Dan? Yeah, I have a bunch of little tips we won't get to.
62:19There's not enough time. I'll just give my main most important rule because I do think it's the most important because I
62:25would say 30 to 40% feel the opposite way on this and it's a tried and true.
62:30Every 100% of people should be thinking this way.
62:32Do not ever price enforce in auctions. There is, it is a horrific strategy to bid an amount on a player that
62:38you are not comfortable winning on and I understand the upside of it.
62:42I understand why people want to do it. They're like, I spent 48 on this running back.
62:47I want this guy to go to for 45 so my buy looks better or whatever it may be.
62:52This is how you can blow up an entire draft by doing this.
62:56I've had twice in my home league when we used to be a one QB league, the bid, the team that bid,
63:02that won the number one quarterback threw out the second quarterback for a price and heard crickets.
63:07$20 starting bid, going once, going twice, sold. Now you're in a one QB league and you've spent all your money, a
63:13lot, good chunk of your money on a QB one and QB two.
63:17Do not ever price enforce. It's a terrible strategy.
63:19It is not good. The upside does not outweigh the downside and it's not even close.
63:24Okay. Okay. Is it excellent? Anything else? Well, that's the main rule.
63:27A bunch of that you've hit on. I've said another thing to consider is while you do want to always bid on
63:34players that you don't want to win, it's important also to keep in mind, like if you just bid on your, let's
63:40say you won Jameer Gibbs, for example, your next three, two or three nominations should be all of the next ranked running backs.
63:46You know, no matter what within your budget, you're not going to be able to buy two back.
63:51So anytime you feel within your budget, you can't spend on a certain type of player, nominate that player, get other people to spend on that player.
63:59Yeah, that's what I was talking. I'm not pricing, like if I don't want Josh Allen, I'm not nominating him for 20,
64:05I'm nominating him for one and I'm just letting everyone go out and spend whatever they want to spend.
64:11Jamie, anything else you want to add? One more thing.
64:13Before that, let me ask you about Gibbs. Jamie may have frozen a little bit here.
64:18How much for Gibbs and there he is. How much for those guys?
64:22Like what percent on your league? What percent of your budget?
64:25Okay, it's not, let's say it's not a super flex league.
64:28It's like a regular 12 team league. Depends on your league.
64:31I have both guys because, you know, our auction values are on the site.
64:35You can see them. They're based on $100 budget.
64:37I have Gibbs at 30 or 31 and Bijan at 30 or 29, you know, so basically 30%.
64:43Okay. I think I'd be more, I would know I'd be more aggressive than that, especially with Gibbs.
64:48Probably 35. And I feel like someone in your league is probably going to be there.
64:52May not be you, but someone will be. Again, Dan said the phrase, you know, so if you want to lock up
64:58the number one running back, the number one receiver, both on the same team, two top receivers, two top running backs, you can do that.
65:05You just have to know like the rest of your roster could be crappy or you just have to be extremely creative
65:12and hope you get some lottery ticket running backs, some good late round receivers.
65:16You're going to probably be a $1 quarterback guy and maybe a $1 tight end guy.
65:20So, you know, minimal depending on your budget. I just think you have to commit to that and understand that is your team.
65:27Those two players are your team going into it and then hopefully everything falls in place, waiver wire moves, maybe some trades.
65:33But for the rest of the auction, you know that you're getting players that have to have a lot of upside and getting them cheap.
65:40It's been a while since I've said this. I did a, we did a bold prediction show a few months ago and
65:46my bold prediction was that Jameer Gibbs would have, I think it was like the second best season by any running back
65:52in the last 10 years behind only Christian McCaffrey that one year where he averaged over 28 points, played a full season.
65:58Like Jameer Gibbs in the last two seasons, he's played 17 games in which he's had 15 or more carries and he's
66:05averaged about 25 fantasy points per game. And he's done that with David Montgomery.
66:09David Montgomery over the last three seasons has the second most goal line carries in the NFL.
66:13That guy is gone. He was their goal line back last year all three years.
66:18It's amazing the fantasy point potential for Jameer Gibbs.
66:20It's almost like you have to talk yourself out of it because it's like how could someone be that good?
66:26But if he gets 95, like 80% of the fantasy points that the running backs in Detroit score, he's going to be
66:32worth probably 40% of your budget if not more.
66:35I think that's fair. If those things happen, that's fair.
66:37But it's like you can't really bank on that.
66:40This is a dream season. It's just, that possibility is out there.
66:43He's so clearly the 1-1 to me though this year.
66:46We don't always have that feel. I think he's so clearly the 1-1.
66:50I love when I pick second and somebody takes Bichon.
66:53I couldn't imagine being in a league like that.
66:55I haven't seen it, but I couldn't know. I'd be happy.
66:58I was in an analyst draft that happened. I wasn't the two.
67:02I was the four. I was hoping he would slip.
67:05Wow. And that was the whole point of my Pacheco thing from a few months ago, which obviously doesn't apply anymore, but
67:11it's like I'd be willing to spend crazy money on Jameer Gibbs if I really liked his handcuff and could get his handcuff for one or two dollars.
67:19And then I just feel like, okay, if he got hurt and my whole team imploded, then I'd have someone there that
67:25I felt could do pretty well, but I don't feel that way anymore.
67:29I mean, you could do that pretty easily with your McCaffrey love.
67:32I don't think so because I just not really a kid.
67:35They don't know who it's going to be. Yeah.
67:38But that's a dollar that's well spent. I agree.
67:40Are you spending it on black and are you spending it on James?
67:44Now you have three rosters. No, but you just have to be very hyper aware of if McCaffrey gets hurt and to
67:50whatever extent he gets hurt, you're going to have black and then maybe you go get James as well just to see for the first couple weeks.
67:58It's not bad. Like, if we're talking $100 budget and you get McCaffrey for about $25 and black for $1, it's not
68:04that bad because I think the only risk we feel like with McCaffrey is injury.
68:08We know if he plays it's going to be really good.
68:11Yeah. I don't think he's going to completely stink.
68:14Dave made the case, I think it was on CBS Sports Network yesterday, that if he, or maybe it was on our
68:20show, that if he just has like the passing downs work regress to a point that you're just relying mostly on his rushing.
68:27I don't know if that's fair. If his passing downs, if his targets go away and he's, you know, not as reliant
68:33on his passing downs work, we could be looking at a 17, 18 point per game guy, which is still good, but more of a round two pick.
68:41I think the thing with McCaffrey, so I did this in a snake draft and it's obviously playing itself out right now
68:47is I drafted with three of my first four, five, four picks.
68:50McCaffrey, Ken Walker, and Marshawn Lloyd. And it's a deep enough bench where I took all three handcuffs.
68:55So I took Marshawn Lloyd, I took Emmett Johnson, and I took Kaelin Black.
68:59So, you can cover yourself in an auction the same way.
69:02It's, just know that instead of a dollar you may have to pay two, you know, by the time you do your,
69:09you're doing your auction next week, so maybe we have a little bit more clarity on who McCaffrey's backup is.
69:14You know, I think in the case of Jonathan Taylor, for example, who's, you know, in that range of guys or B.
69:20John Robinson, for example, you know, Brian Robinson and Seth McGowan, you know, those are dollar bids that you should be able to go through.
69:28So you're covering yourself in the event. They're not going to be the same player, but who else are you spending dollar
69:34bids on that could have top 20 upside? All right, folks, that's it for our auction show.
69:39Really good tips here. Obviously, we forgot the most important one, which is if you're doing a live in-person auction, you better nail the food.
69:46You got to have some really good food. You got to have some appetizers because it's going to be a while.
69:52It's so fun. It's really good. Would you go to like some pizza place or something?
69:56Yeah, I sure would. Dan would love it and then he'd hate it at 24 hours, five hours.
70:01No, it's not 24 hours. There's an immediate reaction.
70:04No, I said the second slice once cold was bad of the mushroom and the entire time the chicken parm slice was horrible from the start.
70:11Everyone agreed on that. it was bad. In addition to it digesting horrifically, just showing how bad the ingredients were.
70:17I have seen, by the way, at least two, I think three team names that are Dan's indigestion.
70:22Because of what I ate because pizza time, I don't have that normally.
70:25Again, we ate the same exact thing and basically the same quantity of the same exact thing and I was fine.
70:31Not really the same quantity, first of all. I had an extra slice of mushroom that you didn't have.
70:37No, I had too. I had a full slice of the chicken parm.
70:40You had like one bite and so it was disgusting.
70:43You didn't take a second bite. Am I right about that?
70:46Why would you eat a full slice of a bad slice?
70:49I was hungry, man. We were starving and you decided to take us to the work of a terrible pizza place.
70:55The next time we're all together, you guys are having an eating contest of some sort.
71:00The place has been around for 40 years. Kill him in an eating contest.
71:04This guy has no shot against me in an eating contest.
71:07Are you kidding? Dude, I have like 60 pounds on you.
71:10If you want to do your eating contest from the toilet, you might be able to beat me.
71:15What does that mean? You're going to barf or crap yourself at some point.
71:19If it's not crappy ingredient you-know-what time, I'm not going to barf and I won't say the full name of this disgusting establishment on the air.
71:26Shockingly enough, Jamie, he went back to it two days later.
71:30I would eat there every day. It's one of the best restaurants.
71:33You live in New York now where you get real pizza and you're still saying that.
71:37It's insane, dude. By the way, the initial one, it was hot.
71:41The mushroom was good. I said four Florida pizza.
71:43I never said overall. Oh, God. That story just keeps changing.
71:47No, it doesn't. You're putting words in my mouth.
71:49You and Nando should share a team. Just misquoting me all the time.
71:53All right. I'm down for an eating contest, no doubt.
71:56Actually, I don't think I can beat Dan. No, no.
71:58You guys have an eating contest. What he did with a cheesesteak and the sandwiches from the Mount Kisago Diner.
72:04I mean, it's like reckless. It's reckless. I feel bad for his body.
72:08All right. The burping was still, like it haunts me to this day.
72:11It was haunting to be in that position where I couldn't, it was crazy.
72:15I threw up in my mouth like six times on that stream.
72:19Oh, I'm sorry. The two of you mic'd up on a tennis court 50 feet from me.
72:24I'm sorry that I got confused. Why would you think it's me?
72:27Like that's so insulting. It was obviously Dan. That's so insulting.
72:30All right. We'll talk to you on Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody on Fantasy Football.
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