Fantasy Sleepers for 2026 With Hayden Winks and Josh Norris, Part 1
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1:06Hey, everyone. We had Josh Norris and Hayden Winks on from Yahoo Fantasy Football today.
1:10Craig is on vacation in Hawaii. We went so long talking about our favorite players for 2026 that we were splitting it into two episodes.
1:17So we're going to have part one today, and we're going to have part two with Josh and Hayden next week.
1:23And then Craig will be back from Hawaii. And we're calling it DK Favorite Players Sleepers.
1:28You hated that I call the sleepers. Sleepers and good values is kind of what I look at it like.
1:34Yeah, well, you were mad at me, but it's fine.
1:37So anyway, we'll get to this. This is a really fun episode.
1:40So, okay, let's get to it. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show.
1:44My name is Danny Heifetz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Josh Norris and Hayden Winks of Yahoo, baby.
1:50Craig is on vacation in Hawaii, and so we brought out the big guns.
1:54And I'm not just talking about Hayden Winks' arms.
1:56He's secretly yoked. Josh, it's kind of true that Hayden's yoked, right?
2:00I mean, I'm not going to peel back the curtain in Hayden's life here, but I think he moved about a year
2:06ago and got like a home gym in his big garage and spent a couple grand on free weights and kettlebells and everything.
2:13So he better be yoked. I don't use it enough.
2:16You have to use it. I look at it.
2:18It's nice to look at. Dad strength. I want to do dad corner at the end here.
2:23So we're going to go over our favorite players for this season.
2:27And I want to do that with you guys for two reasons.
2:30One, because not to just like make it all awkward and say nice things to your guys' faces, but I think very
2:36few people do the combination of stats and understanding how modeling and projections work, but also actually understanding how it interweaves with
2:43football and understanding the news as well as you two do.
2:46And we've been like long overdue to do this show.
2:49Also, Craig was on vacation, so it was super convenient.
2:52But on top of all that, you guys who have been an underdog for a long time were traded to Yahoo.
2:58And I would like you to plug your show, but also explain what the hell it means to be traded when you're not actually a football player.
3:05Well, yeah, just like every other professional athlete, Hayden, I now understand what it's like to be traded.
3:11Yeah, I don't know how many details we can share here, Hayden, but we were like pulled into the CEO's Zoom link
3:17and told us, hey, you have two options. One of them is to be traded.
3:21And we're like, yes, let's take that one. Can't wait.
3:24It's going to be awesome. And our show relaunches on July 27th and we're going to go four times a week until the season starts.
3:31So lots to catch up on over the last two weeks.
3:35And guys, this is an awesome time to be on the show with you.
3:39No, it's fun. So the YouTube channel, the handle's at Josh and Hayden and it's Yahoo fantasy football.
3:44And again, so July 27th, first episodes of Matt Harmon.
3:47Yep. Nailed it. Even more yoked than Hayden is.
3:49Matt is the better guy in medicine. Also does yoga, which I hate him.
3:53Anyway, so we're going to go to our favorite players.
3:56And also while we're shamelessly plugging things, DK, we have the live show in Los Angeles Thursday, August 27th and tickets are still there.
4:03So if you're in Los Angeles, check that out Thursday, August 27th.
4:07The tickets are in the episode description. Without further ado, you guys sent me your list.
4:11You want to talk about. We talked about favorite players.
4:14We probably are clarity here, though, because I didn't.
4:17These are not my favorite players. Uh-oh. You didn't read the text I sent them.
4:21You just didn't read the rest. Well, you said sleepers are good value.
4:25I wrote sleepers. We guys will peek behind the curtain.
4:28We've never actually agreed on what the actual. I don't know.
4:31I still don't know what it is. I still don't know what it is.
4:35It's because you say I asked for sleepers and then it's like a band.
4:39It's like you start being like, well, what's real rock?
4:42It's like, what's a real sleeper? Is it like a ninth rounder a sleeper?
4:46And I was like, bring me the players you are most passionate about having on your actual teams for this season.
4:52And if it's a second rounder or a 14th rounder, I don't care as much as like, give me the player who
4:58you actually feel strongest about will overperform based on where they're going.
5:02And I think Josh and Hayden read the text and DK just at this point just ignores everything I say.
5:08We think we'll have sleepers in the title, but truthfully, just bring three to four guys you love this season for redraft.
5:14I don't see any word favorite in here, but that's fine.
5:17We can continue. Wow. All right. Well, you know what?
5:20I'll go fuck myself. I just want to be clear.
5:23These aren't my favorite players. That would be a Devon H.
5:26All right. So we'll come back for that episode too.
5:29Heifetz. How about that? All right. Well, let's just keep Craig on vacation.
5:33Why don't you just come back in a week with that?
5:36Perfect. We'll do it. Okay. So we're doing this.
5:38Let DK write a title for once. We'll see what it's called.
5:42Anyway, you guys sent me this list of players that we don't know what it is and don't know what to call it, which is a great hook.
5:50But I want to go through these in a specific order and there's only one place we can start.
5:55Hayden, you put Kyle Pitts for the Falcons. Literally the most discussed player in the history of this podcast.
6:01Yep. So you're a really smart guy. I really respect your opinion.
6:04Tell me why Kyle Pitts is not a rake that you're stepping on.
6:08It's going to be in your face. Well, I can't even promise that's not going to be the case here.
6:14I'm just saying the pathway to him really balling out.
6:17I saw it last year. I mean, for like the last half of the season, I watched him go absolutely crazy.
6:23Yes, that was without Drake London. But you also realize he's still just 25 years old and you go look at like
6:29the best fantasy seasons at tight ends ever. They're never like at 23 years old.
6:33It's 25. Kelsey and Kittle and these guys are doing until 33.
6:37Tony Gonzalez. I mean, that was like 35 years old.
6:40Antonio Gates was doing it like so much of this position is like, do you have your head on straight?
6:46And I think that Kyle Pitts now has the experience doing this.
6:49You bring in Kevin Stefanski. All he's done for his entire career, the entire tree, not even just Stefanski is pepper tight ends.
6:56They've had two of them the last couple of seasons on the frickin Browns.
7:00There's not a wide receiver to on the team.
7:02Drake London or Bijon could get hurt. We can see Kyle Pitts go crazy.
7:06And because he's burned so many fantasy drafters, nobody wants to draft him like the last three drafters aren't going to had Kyle Pitts.
7:13They're not going to draft him this year. So he kind of falls and falls and falls.
7:18He's after 100th overall. And we have to remember, like he was the alien generational prospect and he just flashed it.
7:24And we might look back in his career and be like, yeah, that knee injury like held him back for multiple years.
7:31And then he turned out to be a perennial pro bowler.
7:34So I think you're just buying the dip on him.
7:37Seems really smart this year. I think the Hayden, you watch a ton of tape.
7:41I do think he looked different at the end.
7:44Yes. It's like truly like he did in college.
7:46There was the explosion was back. The the way that he could evade tacklers and things like we didn't really see that for a couple of years.
7:54He was just kind of like a catch and fall down guy.
7:57It felt like when he had the opportunity and late last season, he was, you know, reverse stiff arming guys and running
8:04after the catch and doing these big explosive plays that you're expecting from a guy who was, you know, top five in the draft.
8:11So I like this. Obviously, he is one of those players that you hate seeing on your team kind of because he's let you down so many times.
8:19It's nice to tell other people to take Kyle Pitts.
8:22Right. I do think like dynasty wise, I'm super excited about all the shares I have.
8:26Hopefully finally paying off. But yeah, in redraft, I think he could be a really great value.
8:31What do you guys make of this quarterback situation?
8:34Josh, do you think it's going to be Penix?
8:36Do you think it's going to be Tua? Who's better for for the skill players?
8:41Well, I don't know if any of them are better for the skill players, but I think this is clearly going to be Tua as as the quarterback.
8:49I mean, when Kevin Stefanski last year gets what?
8:5180 percent Tua and Dylan Gabriel, then he's kind of just found his guy.
8:55I'll be at, you know, now a two left handers here on the roster.
8:59Kyle Pitts is a fascinating player because we all point to, you know, his report card during his rookie season clearing a thousand yards.
9:06But if you actually like had him on your roster during that rookie season, he really didn't do anything for you.
9:12I mean, he was tied in what? 14 in points per game that season.
9:16And it's because just the total lack of touchdowns.
9:19Now that has changed. It's now from, you know, Arthur Smith and everything in between that that has happened.
9:25But it's not an offense that I have like a ton of investment or happiness other than B.
9:30John Robinson and Drake London that in confidence that they're going to be, you know, even average in scoring.
9:35But if I can get on Hayden's side at all, it is from the Kevin Stefanski tree where they really do make
9:42primary pass catchers out of the tight ends. And they're so often the first read.
9:46And so often when a tight end does break out or have a season that actually matters for you, they have to
9:52be the second best pass catcher on their team.
9:55And you look at this roster and if Kyle Pitts isn't the second best pass catcher on this team, then there are
10:01real, real structural problems here for the Atlanta Falcons.
10:04And to that point, the Falcons gave him a contract extension.
10:07And it's funny because when the Falcons, when I say the Falcons, and I wanted him, Kyle Pitts more when it's a contract year than a contract extension.
10:15But the person who really gave Kyle Pitts the contract extension is Matt Ryan, who was his quarterback the rookie year.
10:21That is crazy. Oh, what? I didn't think about that.
10:24That is wild. Like that. I mean, I feel like I'm not hallucinating, right?
10:28Like that way. He was. Yeah, he was the quarterback.
10:31Oh, tell me. I'm not. Yeah. 2021. Like that's how long Kyle Pitts has been in the league.
10:36That does actually mean something to me because he was around him for practice habits.
10:40I think Kyle Pitts, I think in the middle beginning of his career, first of all, he's six months older than Akeem
10:47Mesidor, who was the first round pick for the Chargers this year.
10:50So the point that sticks with me with all this is two things.
10:54Hayden's point that all tight ends usually have their best seasons afterward because you have to learn to catch and block at
11:00an NFL level, but also because of the physical development and on top of it, again, and we can look at Yahoo's
11:07rankings today since you guys got traded to Yahoo.
11:09I feel like Kyle Pitts is going at his floor, which is, oh, like what?
11:14The 85th overall pick. I'm like, okay, well, if you look at the second half of the season, the top two tight ends behind Trey McBride were what?
11:22Colston Loveland and Kyle Pitts. Colston Loveland's a top 40 player and Kyle Pitts is not a top 80 player.
11:27So that's the part of Hayden's pitch that makes me actually want to step on the rink, which is the only thing
11:34worse than having Kyle Pitts again might be, oh yeah, 25-year-old player who has had to play with Desmond Ritter and washed
11:40Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins off an Achilles injury, Michael Penix in his rookie season into a year where he was hurting his
11:46ACL again, Taylor Heineke, I even mentioned Marcus Mariota, who quit on the team later that season.
11:51It's a pretty Terry McLaurin, early DeAndre Hopkins-esque run of quarterbacks for Kyle Pitts.
11:55And then there's plenty of tight ends that didn't perform until this age.
11:59So I kind of want to step on the rake.
12:02I think I like this one, Hayden. That means a lot.
12:05Just to close the loop on drafting him as his floor, again, we focus a lot on coaching changes and how much that impacts these fantasy players.
12:13Trey McBride last year, attached to Drew Petsing, coming from the Kevin Stefanski tree, we know tied in one in points per game.
12:20Harold Fannin tied in eight in points per game this past season.
12:23I'm like, that is where you're drafting Kyle Pitts here.
12:26Now, do I think that Kyle Pitts and Harold Fannin, and Hayden, speak to this a little bit more, like have opposing skill sets in a way?
12:34I think so. Like, Kyle Pitts is probably at his best in the intermediate downfield portion, and Harold Fannin is probably a
12:40bit better at breaking tackles and, you know, making that first man miss and all that type of stuff.
12:46But at the same time, again, this just goes down to the foundational elements of this styling of an offense and of
12:52this tree that they really, really do care about tight end production.
12:55Yeah, I think that he can be one of the best vertical tight ends, like that we've seen in a very long time.
13:02And, like, the last year's tape, he was actually breaking tackles, and he was able to turn.
13:07I mean, how many years in a row was he?
13:10He could not turn left. He's not a Derek Zoolander.
13:13He can turn left now. Can we talk real quick about the Falcons' receiver core?
13:17I haven't looked at this in a hot minute.
13:20Drake London is the number one clear cut. And they signed Jahan Dotson and Olamide Zaccheaus in free agency, the drafted Zachariah branch.
13:26After that, I am not sure I've heard of any of these guys.
13:30Tell me if you guys have heard of any of these guys.
13:33Vinny Anthony II. Nope. Dylan Drummond. That sounds like someone you're going to recruit in college.
13:38Lameek Brockington. These are not real people. Lameek Brockington.
13:41I look at Keelan Marion. These are the producers of your show.
13:44Keelan Marion. Chris Blair. Antoine Wells Jr. I haven't heard of a single one of those guys.
13:49Austin Gale? That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. Anyway. That.
13:52All right. I. Okay. So, Pitts. You know what?
13:54That is a good. So, just vote here for a second.
13:57If you're actually going to do. If you had one team this year, I would take Pitts in the seventh round.
14:03Would you guys do that? Yes. Thumbs up or thumbs down, Josh?
14:07Down. Josh down. You don't have to do it that early.
14:10Just wait even longer. Okay. There we go. Do you know what?
14:14Just real quick. I think my opposing answer would be I'm in more of the camp of Sam Laporta.
14:19And he's going right around the same range as Cal Pitts is at this moment.
14:23Just because he is the one now in a better offense still attached to this coaching tree in Drew Patsing.
14:29So, I'm more of Sam Laporta than Cal Pitts in 2026.
14:32We could sidestep of the yes or no, but I think that's a good note.
14:37That's what he does. That's the Josh Norris. So, while we're here, we're going to put Josh on the spot because the second most hated.
14:44You know how some people with fantasy analysts are like, we don't hate players.
14:48We hate their ADP. DK, on our show, we just kind of hate some players.
14:52I know. I was going to say that. Just hate them.
14:55Hayden did a great job of laying that whole thing out.
14:59I just still kind of just can't draft Cal Pitts.
15:01I agree with everything he's saying, but I just kind of hate him.
15:05I'm going to put Josh on the spot next because the second most discussed, maybe hated player in the history of the show is Jalen Waddell.
15:13Love it. Receiver who's traded to the Broncos this year.
15:16The player, I think these two guys and the reason I want to start with them are the players that I'm most
15:22afraid of my biases ruining my year because I'm worried they can have big years.
15:26Josh, you had him on your list. He was traded to the Broncos obviously for a first round pick.
15:32Why is Jalen Waddell also not a rake that you might step on and hit your face?
15:37Uh, for one, we had Ryan Heath. Who's like this up and coming great mind and fancy football on the program last year.
15:43And he talked about league winning wide receivers. And one of the best stats for that is first downs per route run.
15:50Uh, it's why we were on Chris Olave last year.
15:53This past season, Jalen Waddell ranked eighth in first downs per route run.
15:56And if you look weeks one through 16, last year, he was the wide receiver, 18 in points per game on an offense.
16:03That was 31st in place per contest. And now he goes to one that was fifth in plays per game.
16:09And you're able to draft him as wide receiver 20.
16:12Like none of that really makes sense to me at all.
16:15And when you look at where the Broncos with Sean Payton throw the football, they were second in the league among wide
16:21receivers in screen rate, third in go balls and 12th in crossing routes.
16:25Like if you were just to diagram and visualize where Jalen Waddell is at his best, it's all three of, of those areas.
16:31So to me, this is the perfect landing spot for a styling of a player like Jalen Waddell, who has never been
16:38really asked or forced to be an alpha since he's been in the NFL.
16:42Most of the reasons he's been tied to Tyreek Hill and is the one player that Sean Payton knows that, hey, I
16:48can get out of this kind of gimmick stuff and go back to the Northern Saints stylings of me having like this very proficient passing attack.
16:56And Waddell is the key to all of that.
16:58DK, this is funny. I'm glad you guys are here because DK hates Sean Payton, but likes Jalen Waddell and Craig and
17:05I hate Jalen Waddell, but likes Sean Payton. I was the Jalen Waddell defender last year and then he got traded to
17:11the Broncos and I'm like, oh hell, now I can't do it.
17:14I will say he's probably the guy I'll miss on the most this year just because I have a bit that I
17:21just can't draft any Sean Payton players anymore. I just can't do it.
17:25I can't, I can't behold, like be held to the whims of Sean Payton, whoever he wants to like feature in his offense on any given day.
17:32That being said, I mean, if you just sort by, these are the pass rating qualified quarterbacks.
17:37If you sort by attempts per game last year, guess who's number one?
17:41Bo Nix. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Like I don't really feel like that was the case, but Bo Nix averaged 36 pass attempts per game last year.
17:49I mean, he led the NFL in pass attempts.
17:51So, you know, there's, there's enough to go around.
17:54I do think it's going to be more of a, you know, like focused offense in terms of who's out on the field.
18:01Last year, it was constant. They were like rotating in.
18:03They had to get everybody their snaps. Um, basically the only guy that played over, um, 80% of the snaps or over
18:1060% of the snaps was Corlin Sutton. I mean, the next closest guy in snap rate was Troy Franklin at 58%.
18:16And that's just not something, that's not a world you can live in with the receiver position.
18:21I don't think that's going to be the case this year.
18:24Obviously, I think they traded for him to play him a lot.
18:27Um, so yeah, he's probably going to be a blind spot for me because of all those things.
18:33I want Hayden, Josh, whoever wants to jump in.
18:35DK's point of, well, they traded him for because they want to play him a lot.
18:40Sean Payton has traded up for Marvin Mims and never played him.
18:43Sean Payton, I think traded up for a Jr.
18:46Sean Payton trades for people. It's like, I mean, take the football away thing again.
18:50This is going to be my point. Like, don't you think it's a, it's a bit different of not knowing who Sean
18:57Payton is going to play when maybe the other guys you were drafting in fantasy football were like Evan Ingram and Troy Franklin.
19:03And Marvin Mims, like Jalen Waddell is another tier of the talent that we're talking about.
19:08Yeah. Especially because Sean Payton was trying to run back a Super Bowl team and they didn't really add anyone in free agency at all.
19:15And Jalen Waddell is really the only player. I, my question, Josh, I, so is, is it like, is he, Sean Payton has a vision of a team.
19:23He's trying to rebuild the 2007 Saints offense at all times.
19:26Is Jalen Waddell going to be like faster, like, like better Brandon Cooks or faster Michael Thomas?
19:31Because those are different players if you're drafting fantasy.
19:34Sign me up. Well, I mean, I'm also not saying that Bo Nix is Drew Brees here.
19:39So I think like the offense is utilized in different ways and will attack different areas of the field.
19:44Like, for example, okay. Broncos last year, third most passes off play action.
19:48Obviously where the, the Dolphins, excuse me, Jalen Waddell was coming from and the Dolphins, lots of play action on top of that.
19:55But he had over four routes per run off of play action last year.
19:59So like, again, all these stats and underlying metrics and just the eye test to me point to Jalen Waddell being very, very good.
20:06Injuries being hampered by quarterback play. A lot of bad moments over the last couple of years in Miami has prohibited him from doing that.
20:13But like, he's going in the same range as Luther Burden.
20:16I am obsessed with Luther Burden as a talent.
20:18I am still drafting Jalen Waddell over. I single time.
20:21Oh yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Hayden, do you, do you agree with that?
20:26Yeah. I mean, we're hoping Burden turns into Jalen Waddell is kind of, kind of my point.
20:31There's not like a Colson Loveland in the offense or Roma Doomsday.
20:34So yeah, this, this one to me is also a layup.
20:37I mean, Marvin Minns, Troy Franklin, both averaging over a screen per game over the last two years.
20:42Both of them like that. That doesn't even make sense.
20:45And all that stuff is just going to go to Jalen Waddell.
20:49First and EPA per target over the last four years went to what was on the field.
20:54An entire league. Is that right? Like the Broncos-Bills playoff game.
20:57I was struck that when they came out, the first three plays were just to Pat Bryant behind the line of scrimmage, really.
21:03And that's our guy, Pat Bryant. Don't you know?
21:06I love Pat Bryant. I think it also speaks to why Sean Payton was like, literally anyone do anything for me.
21:12I unfortunately agree with you guys. I think, I mean, FTN Almanac had the great stat that Bo Nix, he had a
21:18hundred attempts targeting middle of the field intermediate. So basically not just right in front of the line of scrimmage, a hundred attempts targeting middle of the field.
21:27It was the second lowest DVOA among all qualified starters.
21:29And so it's like Jalen Waddell, it's screens, it's deep stuff, and it's everywhere, which is what you want.
21:35And it's play action rollouts, it's crossers, it is a lot of bubble screens.
21:39And so I unfortunately agree and think Jalen Waddell has the league winning upside.
21:43And I think I'm going to have to change my mind on him.
21:47And then Craig, I don't know if he'll be with me, but he'll feel betrayed when it comes back.
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22:38Sure. While we're on these receivers. Uh, you, you texted Ricky Parasol and I was annoyed because I also wanted Ricky Parasol.
22:45Ah. But he's also one of these guys. He's also an injury prone guy in the Niners offense.
22:50And I'm just curious because I feel like we sold Ricky Parasol to everyone last year and that he didn't do anything.
22:56Well, I mean he hurt his, he hurt his knee.
22:59I mean if you go back to... And, well yeah, he was shot earlier and then he hurt his knee.
23:05Um, I mean just going back to last year, I kind of had forgotten about this.
23:10He had, um... He was shot. Four catches for 108 yards.
23:13DK never brings up that he was shot. DK always just was like...
23:16How long did we get it? How long did we get it?
23:20He was shot last year. Yeah. How long did we get it?
23:23Is that in 10 years from now with these shots?
23:26And that's the excuse? Like... Spoiler alert. Nope. It's never not going to come up.
23:31It's always... Jeez. Um, he had four catches for 108 yards against the Seahawks in week one.
23:36Um, I kind of had forgotten about that and over the first three games, obviously a very small sample, but he hurt his knee in week four.
23:43Um, the first four weeks or first three weeks, he had a 22% target rate, five catches and 93 yards per game.
23:50Um, you know, and he's still over the year average over two yards per route run, even coming, like even battling through, you know, PCL injury.
23:57And we've seen how that can really affect guys a lot.
24:00Like basically you lose your stability in your knee.
24:03Um, Bowers Drake London last year. Yeah. And so, um, I, I really do think this is a situation where, and look,
24:09this is kind of going against my don't trust Kyle Shanahan thing, but I do think, um, that this offense, I don't,
24:16I, I, I'm kind of off the not trusting Shanahan thing.
24:19I'm on the Sean Payton is the devil. DK, I think DK has come to, so there are, there are good coaches
24:25that build good offenses and DK likes the ones that get the best players, the ball in creative ways.
24:31And DK has come to hate the guys that get creative players.
24:34Like basically being like, Oh, you don't know how I'll get Justin Jefferson, the ball or how I'll get Puka the ball.
24:40And DK hates Matt LaFleur being like, you don't know where the ball's going.
24:44And DK is like, I'm done with these people.
24:47Yeah, no, it's, it's purely fantasy. I know they're good coaches.
24:50Look, I get it. Um, but if you look at the 49ers, good offense, good quarterback, I've come to accept it.
24:56Brock, Brock pretty is a good player. Uh, he's a Pierce, a good route runner, good hands.
25:01And I think the injury is really the only question here.
25:04And I think the 49ers are going to score a lot of points.
25:08The other thing here that is interesting is I saw this great article from Jared Smola, um, at draft sharks and it
25:14was the fantasy environment rankings where he kind of talked about, he looked at the implied points, uh, oppose opponent implied points.
25:21This is all like based on, on Vegas projections, game total shootout potential, et cetera.
25:25The 49ers were... Careful with the shootout with Parasol, but yeah.
25:28Sure. Sure. Um, the 49ers ranked seventh in that just based on, look, their defense isn't really what it used to be.
25:35They could bounce back this year, but last year they were pretty bad.
25:38So that gives you the opportunity to have a lot of, um, high scoring games and back and forth and a lot
25:45of, a lot of points and plays. And so, um, with Kittle likely missing time early in the season, I wouldn't put
25:51it past him to get back within like a couple of weeks, I guess, but he may not be himself until halfway through the season at least.
25:59Um, and then Mike Evans also kind of injury prone.
26:02So, um, you could have the potential here for a really high upside, high ceiling with Pierce all if, uh, if things fall the right way.
26:09And I think, you know, even if they do end up having pretty much everyone healthy, I still think he's a good player.
26:16Who's going to get a good chunk of the, you know, target right here, 20% target rate, um, and, you know, be a useful player.
26:23I think he's just undervalued right now. Hayden on Yahoo.
26:26Ricky Parasol is, oh, am I pulling this up?
26:29Yeah. Ricky, you have, uh, Ricky Parasol below your future Yahoo colleagues.
26:32Uh-oh. Whoa. Explain myself. Yeah. First of all, how dare you?
26:35Yeah. First of all, um, tough competition over there.
26:38I will say this, that entire tier of receivers, Josh Downs, Xavier Worthy, I'll throw on both of the Packers, young guys,
26:44Reed and Matthew Golden, obviously there's a, there's a pretty nice, like you draft them as your wide receiver four or five
26:51and they can easily be your wide receiver three in fantasy.
26:54I don't think those guys are that dissimilar from like the Jordan Tyson, Makai Lemon tier, who's, uh, like multiple rounds ahead.
27:00So I kind of skip out on that tier and then whoever's just available in this range, I'll gobble them up.
27:06I saw, I see the same thing with the George Kittle stuff.
27:10Like I saw the, everyone like at the, the tight end university stuff were like, wow, look at George Kittle.
27:15I was like, yeah, are you guys looking at the same play?
27:19Like he's clearly limping. Like, am I, am I in crazy pills?
27:22Like everyone's like, look, look at him go. And I was like, I'm not sure about that.
27:27Uh, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's like a pretty slow season for George Kittle and somebody is going to have to step up.
27:34The, uh, I saw this stat from, uh, fantasy points, which was fascinating.
27:38Um, among players that ran 50 routes. So that's like a pretty, not, not that high of a bar.
27:44He was third in route win rate behind only Devante Adams and Mike Evans.
27:48Mike Evans is another interesting one, obviously I think.
27:50And, and he's a guy that I'm interested this season for fantasy purposes.
27:54But, um, I do think Pearsall is just a post type sleeper where we got excited about him last year and he
28:00was started out really well and then he got hurt and then he just wasn't himself for the rest of the season.
28:07Um, your guys, you know, Matt Harmon, I was reading his article recently.
28:10Um, and he comped him to, uh, Adam Thielen as kind of like, like they, I think he comped him and he
28:17has like a historical player comparison tool that looks at like the different win rates and where they line them up.
28:23Win rate, race, all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. White, white receivers with great hands.
28:27Um, it's a great filter. Adam Thielen was, was a top mark there.
28:31So I think that's just fascinating to see how this will go.
28:34And again, like Shanahan's going to dial up plays to get these guys open.
28:38Yeah. Heifetz. I think Mike Evans is a big deal for Ricky Pearsall because you can stick him on one side of
28:44the field, be stationary if you want him to.
28:47And then that allows Kyle Shanahan to be extremely creative with Ricky Pearsall.
28:51Like you don't have to put them on the line of scrimmage.
28:54You can get them in these stacks, uh, get them in full speed motions, all that type of stuff.
29:00And with that, like even dating back to Ricky Pearsall's time with Anthony Richardson, our guy, uh, back at Florida.
29:06So many of his targets and catches were like 15 plus yards on the field.
29:10I mean, his ADOT was tremendously down the field.
29:12And if you go back, I can't remember if it was last year or during his rookie season, but there was a
29:19huge breakout game against the Detroit lions that Ricky Pearsall had.
29:22And a lot of it was because Kyle got him in these free releases and manufactured space and just allowed him to, to work down the field.
29:30Uh, and quick tangent, did you see that Sheffield reported that some teams had Dijon stripling as wide receiver one in this class?
29:36I mean, there's another name in this wide receiver room too.
29:40Fascinating. So stripling, I like stripling a lot. Actually, I am always dubious of any rookie receiver performing for Shanahan just because
29:46if he goes out and gets Mike Evans, I think stripling is a guy that I'd probably want to add it.
29:52Like I know there's, you know, there's best ball.
29:55There's all those different formats. If like, you're just doing a league, like a 12 team league.
29:59I'm like, you can probably add stripling on waivers when Mike Evans pulls his hamstring.
30:04But there were NFL teams that had stripling over like Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, Makai Lemon.
30:08Sure. Sure. Why not? So I'm not going to say what I'm thinking.
30:12Um, I'll say that. Uh, also, Parasol wins late and it's hard to quantify, but he just, he's a great receiver.
30:18Like he creates separation. The combination of getting open early in the route.
30:22But I just, I just think he's great at the catch point.
30:25I just think he's like, he's a creative player.
30:28I just, I, he just, he's a baller. Like, I just think he's fantastic.
30:32So I like this pick a lot. DK. I know people might be mad because I literally said Ricky Parasol and Matthew
30:38Golden were guys last year, but this year, but Parasol is way better.
30:42Um, the next guy I want to ask Josh, you immediately, when we texted about guys, you immediately claim Saquon Barkley for the Eagles.
30:49Yeah. This is probably what threw DK off because, uh, Saquon's obviously not a sleeper at all.
30:54Yeah. I said sleepers. And then I was like, but don't get caught up by sleepers.
30:59Tell me players who will outperform their thing. I don't know.
31:02Some people want an eight round sleeper. Some people like it's not real sleepers.
31:06I'm trying to put the blame on myself here.
31:08High Fitz. Um, I think we all need a layup, you know, at times.
31:12And I think Saquon Barkley is like a real layup in this conversation.
31:16Right. I think it's absolutely absurd that he's going behind Ash and Gentty on every single platform out there.
31:22And if you go and look at consensus rankings, Saquon Barkley is actually running back nine at this moment.
31:27Just overall, when you hear about the Eagles all off season, you're going to listen to talk about, you know, the passing
31:34game and how Sean Manion is going to come in and pluck these new passes and routes and concepts from Jalen hurts.
31:40And how is Devante Smith going to, you know, take over for what AJ Brown left on the table.
31:45And you have Makai Lemon and Eli Stowers and all this stuff.
31:49Look, none of that matters unless they get the rushing attack to work.
31:53Like the key to everything is getting Saquon Barkley back to close to what he did in 2024, because that is what changes the math.
32:00Like that is what changes the coverage. That is what forces a safety to get closer to the boxing.
32:05Then you get single high. Then you can throw all this stuff down the field.
32:10And this just was an average rushing attack last year versus being a top two, three, four rushing attack like it was in previous seasons.
32:17There's all these metrics I can run through in a moment that point to that.
32:21But like, I don't see how we can draft someone.
32:24And I'll just, I don't want to pick on Ash and Gentry, but I'm going to.
32:29And an offense that's projected for like the fifth lowest points compared to one that is, you know, projected among one of
32:35the most consistent scoring offenses across the league and just has easily better talent.
32:39I test wise didn't see anything different from Saquon that I did the previous year.
32:43He just wasn't given the second level as often enough to showcase those 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 yard runs.
32:49Right. Hayden, do you think the Eagles bounce back on offense?
32:53Or is the point that they don't even have to really bounce back for Saquon to be worth a first run pick?
32:59Yeah, they can be 10th in scoring. It doesn't matter.
33:02I thought that the sign last year, which we ignored was when all of the offensive line and were like, my back hurts.
33:08That was a lot of rush attempts going in from the last postseason.
33:12And we kind of like ignored that. And then Lane Johnson, this time Landon Dickerson, like contemplated like retirement.
33:18And he played only 14 games and he was a young player.
33:21Good. Yeah. And he was just like, he was just straight up.
33:25Not good. Cam Juergens was in and out of the lineup.
33:28He was not the same player. In theory, those guys should be healthier this year just because last year was such a disaster.
33:34And I think that's going to make a big difference here.
33:38I think the coaching staff is still the same kind of Eagles principles, a little bit Packers.
33:42And that's all Josh Jacobs. So and my stat here for him was he scored one rushing touchdown on 11 carries inside the five guard line last year.
33:51Like that is entirely an offensive line stat. That's due for regression.
33:54If we even just scored on half of those, he would have been a top five ish running back.
33:59Even last year when the offense was very stuck in the mud.
34:03It kind of feels like 2026 version of CMC in a way where, you know, we were all drafting CMC first overall,
34:09and then he gets injured, has a down season.
34:12And then what we get him in the later parts of round one last year for much of the summer.
34:18And then he goes and just as the best player in fantasy football.
34:21Uh, now Saquon Barkley, we drafted him as the first overall pick last year.
34:25Uh, then he finishes as what the running back 12, 13, 14, depending on your scoring.
34:30Uh, and then now you get him in the second round.
34:33How was Saquon Barkley going in the second round?
34:36I mean, a major part of it was just a average environment last year where he was 16th in rushing yards before contact per attempt.
34:43When in 2024, that was second. All right. Seventh and explosive carries this past season.
34:47Despite that, when he was then second in 2024 with touchdown runs again of 72, 70, 68, 65, 39, 25, and 23 yards.
34:54And then just two touchdown runs longer than 13 yards last year.
34:57So I don't think this is like a declining player, an old washed bad athlete.
35:02That was, we see at the running back spot.
35:04Just simply put the Eagles are going to get back to the Eagles and, uh, Saquon Barkley is going to be the biggest beneficiary of that.
35:12Despite all the noise about the passing attack. I think that the, you know, what you were saying about Ashton Gentry too,
35:18is like you mentioned, he was what, uh, Saquon was 17th in yards before, uh, contact per carry or whatever.
35:24Like Ashton Gentry was dead last, like among all running backs.
35:27Um, and then, and then now he's ranked above Saquon.
35:30Like if sometimes it feels like we get a little cute and fantasy and we're trying to, we're trying to skate to
35:36where the puck is going and everything. But like, yeah, this is still the Eagles offensive line.
35:41This is still Saquon. Like go watch him jump over the guy backwards and, and, you know, touch grass and draft him first.
35:48TK, you know what you just reminded me of?
35:51Gentry is like a, it's like a, they're like stocks.
35:53It's like a tech company pre-revenue. Like Gentry hasn't done anything, but imagine when he starts making money, how much money he can make.
36:00Saquon's like a fucking oil company. And they're like, there's printing money.
36:04And they're like, yeah, but like how much money's left?
36:07And it's like, well, like sometimes, you know what?
36:09Maybe Ashton Gentry will continue to lose you money.
36:12Right. So that, there is an element to that.
36:14Okay. So sticking with the Eagles, I, I, I, relatedly.
36:17So my favorite player, and unfortunately the player I think I'm going to like live and die on the hill this year
36:24for is AJ Brown, who left the Eagles for the Patriots this year and got traded.
36:28Didn't get traded to Yahoo, but they get traded to the Patriots.
36:32And I just think AJ Brown is this year's George Pickens.
36:35And I think that it's, I don't know about you guys.
36:38I think it's harder to find sleepers and values now than it was like five or 10 years ago.
36:44I think everyone's smarter. I think it's harder. I think that sometimes you need like multiple overlapping variables that can fall through
36:50the cracks of both models and the eye test.
36:53And I look at AJ Brown and I see what I saw with Pickens last year, which is a unanimously talented player
36:59who doesn't always have his head on straight, who would play with a bad, like a bad, not a great passing quarterback and a weird passing offensive environment.
37:07And now AJ Brown is with Josh McDaniels instead of Kevin Petulo running the offense.
37:11He's with Drake May, who's a much better passer than Jalen Hurts, a much more complete passer.
37:16And I just think when I look at AJ Brown's statistical decline, I don't see a physical decline.
37:21I see he was not focused. And I think AJ Brown will be incredibly focused this year.
37:26Now, I might just be wrong on that and he's a diminished player.
37:30But when I see Stefan Diggs basically replicated the stats that AJ Brown did last year, playing 45% of the snaps of the Patriots.
37:37I'm like, well, what if AJ Brown plays 85 or 90% of the snaps of the Patriots?
37:42I'm like, I just think AJ Brown is the last receiver left on the board that if he led the NFL in
37:48a volume, if he led the NFL in catches or yards or receiving touchdowns, I don't think anyone would even think it's weird.
37:55And I don't know why he's necessarily like 30th in some platforms.
37:58And so I just think he's still absolutely like a real life top five receiver who had an unfocused couple seasons because Jalen Hurts is a limited quarterback.
38:06And we'll see. I might lose all my leagues because of that.
38:10But I just I just have been surprised to see how many people are willing to write off last year as like a physical issue.
38:17Hayden, I might have an opposing view. So I'd love to hear if you are along the lines of Heifetz.
38:23Please. In like the first part of the season, I thought AJ Brown was not the same.
38:28But then by the end of the season, I actually thought he looked a lot better.
38:32Um, and I don't think that he has to be like peak AJ Brown to go crazy in the offense just because
38:39he has Drake made is like all the catchable ball rate stuff, especially on the downfield targets like night and day between Hurts and Drake may last year.
38:47And then also throughout the factor, Josh McDaniels had some crazy seasons on the Raiders with Devante Adams, 180 targets, 175 targets.
38:53Like, I mean, that wasn't the peak Devante Adams.
38:56Like that was like, uh, yeah. Yeah. So I think there's just some crazy, crazy potential here.
39:01I, I was kind of like wishy-washy on them last year, but like the more I thought about this, I'm like, this one does seem like pretty straightforward.
39:09Josh, please feel free to disagree with me. I'm wildly wrong on multiple players.
39:13It was more eye test stuff where, you know, when I went and watched him individually in that first half of the
39:19season, I thought he did struggle to separate. You know, I thought the best corners in the league were sticking to his
39:25hip pocket more often than we previously saw, you know, a freak athlete out there.
39:30Um, and that continued a little bit as, as, as the season went along at the same time, Drake may is so
39:36willing to throw into tight windows that he's going to give him opportunities to still make these, you know, dunk on you catches that maybe other quarterbacks wouldn't.
39:44So from a fit perspective, I think that's really good.
39:47I guess the question is how rich do you want to be here?
39:51Because like, would you draft AJ Brown? Cause I wonder as we get closer, like there's that big run of running backs
39:57that goes, gente cook, Saquon Hampton, Ken Walker, chase Brown, Devon H and Derek Henry.
40:01And then like, there's this run of wide receivers of AJ Brown, Drake London, Nico, George Pickens.
40:06Are you drafting AJ Brown at the top of that foursome of wide receivers?
40:10Yes. I, I personally am. I think that AJ Brown called the 18th player in fantasy this year.
40:16Cause I agree that there's, it's, and I actually want to talk to you guys about the running back.
40:21Cause like just idea this year, but it's probably a mistake to take AJ Brown over, you know, I mean, James Cook,
40:27even Ashton Gentile, Marion Hampton solely because those guys have such upside.
40:31A lot of like guys that can just carry you to a title and it being those second year running backs that went in the first round.
40:39So, but I, I, I think AJ Brown is better than Nico Collins.
40:42I think I love a better season, Drake London, all these guys.
40:46Like I don't have quarterback. I love the coordinator.
40:49I love the quarterback. I just, I think he's that guy.
40:52Uh, and I, I just, I think also the fact that he's like, Oh, he's almost 30.
40:57I'm like, I don't care about that anymore. I agree that long-term would I in real life want to give him a fourth contract.
41:04I don't know how his knees will do at 33 this year.
41:07I'm not so worried about it, but I'm open to being wrong.
41:10I think, but I do think that I basically would take him probably with like, yeah, once those top running backs are
41:17off the board, I would take him. Question to you.
41:20What are the odds that Devante Smith outscores AJ Brown this season?
41:23Ooh, that's a good question. Cause I think we, we on the show all like Devante Smith this year, just based on, we love the talent, all that.
41:31Um, I still kind of think just the, the environment is so much better for AJ Brown that I would probably put my money on AJ Brown.
41:39Outscoring Devante Smith. I suppose there's a small chance Smith just really, really goes off.
41:43But, um, I just think he, AJ Brown is so perfect for Drake may like Drake may was the best downfield thrower in the NFL maybe last year.
41:51Uh, or at least one of the most accurate.
41:54Um, and he's only still ascending. So who knows what he could do next year when he's not scrambling quite as much.
42:00I think there's, there's meat on the bone volume wise for him as a passer.
42:05Um, and so, yeah, I think I, I just don't know what to make of the, the Eagles passing game.
42:10I'm not, I'm not confident in it. And that's ultimately why AJ Brown was so unhappy the last year or two.
42:16Um, so yeah, I would lean AJ Brown pretty strongly.
42:19The other thing is just the static nature of that Eagles offense last couple of years.
42:24I mean, he was just like online scrimmage, just right into the corner space and doing nothing.
42:29Like you have Romeo Dobbs and Kay Sean to be like X receiver stuff where you can be a lot more creative
42:35with AJ Brown, like some slot snaps, like would be nice for, for once.
42:39You know, like we haven't seen that in a very long time.
42:43Like he was a slot receiver. I think if you look at the 120 receivers that ran the most routes last year,
42:49I think AJ Brown literally was last in slot rate.
42:52He was dead last. Why? I, well, I don't know.
42:55Kevin Petula would say it's Jalen Hurts. And I think Jalen Hurts, if he ever spoke, he's like a Sphinx would say it was Kevin Petulo or Sirianni.
43:03I don't know. I, I will, we'll see it to me.
43:06There is a similarity to Saquon. It's like the tides coming in and out where the Eagles, it's like embarrassing wildcard loss,
43:12Superbowl appearance, embarrassing wildcard loss, Superbowl win, embarrassing wildcard loss.
43:15We're on that schedule again, but we'll see it.
43:18Maybe the Jeff Stoutland, the whole line coach leaving is overrated.
43:21Could talk about the Eagles for a long time.
43:24Okay. That's the end of part one with Josh and Hayden.
43:27And we kept going and that's going to be part two is going to be next week.
43:32Cause it was great, but we went really long and then Craig will come back from Hawaii and we will do hot quarterbacks when Craig is back.
43:40DK, you want to do a couple of emails here before we get out of here?
43:44Absolutely. I asked you like, like that was a question, but obviously I could say no.
43:49Yeah. Also, I will say while people are emailing us, please email us punishments for the ringer fantasy football league.
43:55We're going to bring these back. Right. So for those who don't remember the ring, we're doing the ringer fantasy football league.
44:01Again, we're going to have bill. We're going to have Sal.
44:04We're going to have Mal. We're going to have Chris, Sean, like we're having everyone from the ringer.
44:09And what we did last year, cause we couldn't agree, couldn't get all these people who are in charge of us to
44:16agree on a punishment that was both humiliating that they would actually do was we had people draft their punishments.
44:21I think Scott emailed us this idea and we had people pick their punishments and you could take them.
44:27And so we're going to do it again, but it ended up being kind of lame because honestly, Craig came in last
44:33and then he chose not drinking coffee, which was because he doesn't drink coffee and it was really lame and we screwed it up.
44:40And so we want punishments this year and DK, no offense, but you're more the era of the people in the league.
44:47Like, and basically there's a limit what people with children, like they're not, you're not going to do 24 hours in the waffle house.
44:53Like you literally won't do it. Life changes when you have children.
44:57Have it. So what would you describe, how would you describe how people should send in punishments?
45:02Cause I think we get a lot of enthusiastic stuff from people in their twenties who don't have kids that are like,
45:08well, you just have to like only eat hot dogs for a month.
45:12Something that you think your boss would be willing to do.
45:15How about that? These people ultimately are our bosses.
45:18A lot of them. And I just, just be realistic.
45:21That's all. It's like, and it's hard too. Cause like Sean fantasy was like, I won't eat too cold Kansas soup, but I will shave.
45:28I will put slits in my eyebrows. Like he's vanilla ice.
45:31And I was like, that's shocking to me that he would do one, but not the other.
45:36So anyway, so I sent us emails, but also it's, they're not like going to take a bus to the draft from like 10 States away.
45:43So, but emails, the punishments, please put the punishment in this subject line title.
45:47With that said, I want to go through a couple of things.
45:51We got an email from Nick. And bone. Nick writes, breakfast was yogurt with fruit and honey.
45:56Nice. Nick says, I just got done listening to the pod and you guys were talking about no hands by Waka Flocka.
46:02And it took me back to high school where I was on my way to Spanish class.
46:07He said, shout out Senora Rivera. And I was, I was, of course, I was on my way to an exam at
46:13Spanish, but on the way I was showing my friend no hands by Waka Flocka on SoundCloud.
46:18Should have been Spotify, but it's fine. I know.
46:21Yeah. And so Nick writes, once we get into class or taking the test, I have no idea what any of these translations are.
46:28So I attempt to do it. Every high schooler in Spanish class does.
46:32And I pulled out Google translate on my phone.
46:34And in my attempt to be sneaky, I accidentally hit play on my phone.
46:38And in the middle of this dead, silent classroom bursts the beginning of no hands, which is listen to this track, bitch.
46:44Oh, talk about your all time backfires. So he was trying to cheat and then he brought all the attention to him.
46:51I don't know if there could be a funnier song to play the opening one second of than what.
46:56Listen to this track, bitch. And just like everyone turns and he's like, oh, I'm not cheating.
47:01Oh, my God. That is rough. Did he get did he get in trouble?
47:05Then he lied and said he lied and said he was reaching for a pen and his teacher let him off.
47:11Sure. That old chestnut. And apparently she let him.
47:14But she just watched him the entire remaining of the test.
47:17But he got away with it. That's not as bad.
47:20I mean, that's could be worse. Like at least like he wasn't watching porn or something on his phone.
47:25And that started up, you know, like moaning and whatnot.
47:28That would have been worse. Yeah. But that's that's still pretty tough.
47:32Pretty tough. The other one we were talking about, we asked for celebrity names that hit like how Tony Hawk just has his actual legal name.
47:39And it's the perfect name. Everyone emailed in. But Adams was the best email.
47:43And they Adam wrote breakfast granola bar from Costco banana and a green tea for breakfast.
47:48You're going to he said, Adam writes, you're going to get this a million times.
47:52But the fastest person in the world being named Usain Bolt.
47:55Oh, right. Is one of the craziest things that's ever happened.
47:59You're telling me the fastest person in the world was a half foot taller than every other person running.
48:04Set every sprinting world record. Did a cool pose at the end of the race while breaking the world record.
48:10And his last name was literally Bolt. Bolt. Yeah, that's up there.
48:13That's like what we called it. We can never get the name right.
48:17Not nominative. Nominative determinism. Nominative determinism. Where your name forces you into doing something that you're doctor doctor end up being the best.
48:24Yeah. That's a great one. I think that's probably the elite version of the best version of that.
48:29He was man. He is fun to watch. Did you there's like a another young really tall sprinter.
48:34That is like taking over the hold on. I got to pull this up here.
48:38Did you see the videos of this? I think he's like a high schooler.
48:42No. Yeah, I did see that kids are breaking all these track records now.
48:47I didn't know this, but apparently middle schoolers elementary.
48:49Every kid is faster at every level now. Oh, we talked about this guy.
48:53Gout Gout. Gout Gout. His name is Gout Gout.
48:56Like the opposite of nominative determinism. That's definitely overcome.
48:58Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he doesn't have Gout, right?
49:01He's the world under 20 record holder for 20 meters.
49:04Or sorry, for 200 meters. Australia. He is a joy to watch run.
49:08That guy can run like the wind blows. Gout Gout.
49:11Gout Gout is the opposite of Usain Bolt. His Wikipedia just yell.
49:14It's just everything's gold first for every race. He's runs first, first, first, first, first, first.
49:19Dude, watch him run a race. It's kind of it's similar to Bolt where, you know, over the first whatever distance, it's everybody's kind of close together.
49:27But then by the end of the race, he just pulls apart, pulls away from them at a ludicrous rate.
49:32It's just unbelievable to watch him. It's funny that everyone who is like a sprinter was like tall people can't do it.
49:39And then tall people started doing it. They're like, oh, shit.
49:42Dude, they can cover so much ground. They run the race and probably like half the amount of like strides or whatever.
49:48That's that is great. Did you get any other good ones?
49:51Besides the same boat was the big one. I think now I kind of want the opposite.
49:56I want gout gouts. I want guys that really overcame the opposite name.
50:00Yeah. Yeah. Like how Catron Allen, the Penn State running back, is named Fat Man like that.
50:05You know, not really. But ever calls. Who is the most unaptly named NFL player?
50:09Walker Little, who's like six, six. But I guess that's more like how little like some people named Little are big.
50:15No, poorly named NFL. Email us that. I want people like gout gout who are not what you'd expect.
50:21Um, OK, last one here. This is just like a correction for the record.
50:25Well, no, it's not. It's an area of grievance from a listener.
50:28This is from Jeff. All right. J Bone. Long time listener.
50:32First time emailer. Breakfast, multiple black coffees with two over easy eggs on toast with Cholula and avocado.
50:37Cholula is good with eggs. Cholula. Hot sauce. Oh, is that the hot sauce?
50:41Yeah. I like Texas Pete, but yeah. Jeff says.
50:43I put hot sauce on my eggs every morning.
50:46What kind? I like to switch it up. Frank's is a good one.
50:50Yeah. I'm trying to remember the other ones. I always just get random hot sauces and then try them.
50:55Do you like really, really, really hot hot sauces?
50:58Not like ghost pepper. No, I don't like that.
51:00That's like too much. That's like the food version of like climbing mountains or skydiving or shit where people just like want the hottest.
51:07I don't know what you're trying to feel or why you don't feel alive unless you're like.
51:12Habanero to me is in ghost pepper stuff. It's like, it's just a little too much, but I'll do like buffalo sauce
51:19and I like a lot of it, you know?
51:21I like hot sauce, but I can't. I don't know.
51:24I've hit my limit. There's too many hot sauces.
51:27Too many choices. Jeff writes, as a resident Canadian from Vancouver and lifelong hockey fan, please, for the love of God, stop
51:33making hockey analogies while I enjoyed the utter lack of understanding of the sport and its history during hockey corner a few weeks back.
51:40The continued use of what you believe to be hockey terms, which is mostly Heifetz, such as skate to where the puck is heading has to stop.
51:48That's not a hockey thing. I think I said that today.
51:51We all say it. He says, no one says this.
51:54And it feels like a soccer term because in hockey, very rarely are there passes where the players skated and where the puck is going.
52:0190% of passes are intended to be taped to tape, which is directly to the player's stick.
52:06There are exceptions where the puck is dumped or shot for the layperson into the opposing team's end, and the team tries
52:12to recover the puck on the forecheck, which involves beating the opposing D-man to the puck or hitting him off the puck.
52:19Skate to where the puck is going makes no sense in the context of the sport.
52:23Please stop saying it. And he actually goes on and on, and he's basically, you guys are morons.
52:28Also, the thing I said was icing. He was like, that's wrong, too.
52:32Basically, he's like, I never do this again. Jeff Ainsons.
52:35Offside. I will say that's fair. I understand why he's upset about that.
52:39It was attributed. It's attributed to Wayne Gretzky's dad.
52:41Like, we didn't make it up. Wayne Gretzky's dad named Walter Gretzky was the one who made that expression up.
52:47Okay, good. So fuck you, Jeff. I don't know why you're fucking yelling at us about it.
52:52Yeah. No, I get it. We sound like morons when we talk about hockey.
52:56Well, should it? Wait. What are you saying? So it's basically, it's that quote, Wayne Gretzky's dad, Michael Scott.
53:02I'm seeing a lot of people attributing it to Wayne Gretzky.
53:05And then I see a Reddit post that actually was misattributed to Wayne.
53:08It was said by his father, Walter. Are we sure?
53:11About the way that Gretzky plays. I think part of what made him great was, you know, being able to see the
53:18whole, like, the whole, the whole everybody on the ice and know where to like be and where to pass.
53:23But obviously, look, I call, I went on Vancouver radio one time with our buddy Bick and I accidentally called the puck a ball.
53:30You called? Like, look, I don't really. On Canadian radio.
53:33Yeah, yeah. And they called me on it and it was very funny.
53:37And they also never let me live. What year was this?
53:40This was like five years ago. You called the puck a ball?
53:44I was like, oh, God. They took me, Bick, took me to a, Bick and Sat, they took me to a Canucks game.
53:50It was great. It was fucking fun. Partly because I called the puck a ball and they're like, okay, you need to come to a game immediately.
53:58We need to rectify this situation. All right. Let's get out of here.
54:02We're going to have part two next week. Thank you, DK.
54:05Thank you, Craig, wherever you are. I hope you're enjoying Hawaii.
54:08Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, Nikhil.
54:11Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, everyone, for your help.
54:14Thank you, Evan, for listening. Thank you to Josh and Hayden for an awesome thing.
54:19Please check out Josh and Hayden's YouTube. It's Josh and Hayden.
54:22It's a great podcast. They're fantastic what they do.
54:24Give them a follow, Instagram, everything. Of course. Thank you, Lorne.
54:27Lorne. To continue the Millennial Bangers tour, I'm going to shout out Chameleon Air.
54:32Oh, shit. Chameleon Air, Ryden. Ryden Dirty. They see me rolling.
54:35They hate it. Patrolling. I love when that song came on, man.
54:38That's so good. Dude, I knew every word of that in fifth grade.
54:42It's such a good sing-along song. It hits real hard.
54:45It's fucking great. That was- It just reminds me of that college era.
54:49The fifth grade dance? That was- Dude, that was just- It was unbelievable.
54:52Crazy that you guys were that age when I was in college.
54:56It is. It's fifth grade. That is the thing.
54:58It's like you're 12 years older, but you've been an adult for twice as long.
55:03I know. It's wild. The one I always think about is- This came out in 2005.
55:07I graduated college in 2005. The one I always think about is on 9-11, I was in first grade, and you were
55:14old enough to go out of war. Yeah. Like, you could fight in war, and I was literally like, child.
55:19Very strange. Did Chameleon Air do a lot of other stuff?
55:23He did. He had another song that was popular.
55:25I wonder what that guy's up to. So, oh, he's the 40s.
55:29He's from Born in D.C. I should meet up with him.
55:32He had another song that was big. There's that crazy bone on it from Bone Thogs and Harvest.
55:37Wow. Dude, it's great. He had another- What was the other big Chameleon Air song?
55:41God, see me roll. Dude, it's just fantastic. Oh, God.
55:44The two biggest songs on Spotify are writing, which is 335 million streams.
55:48It's low. It's too low. And then I guess it's between Turn It Up, Rockstar, and Good Morning would be like the next couple.
55:55The Good Morning would be just technically- Rockstar sounds familiar.
55:58I think this counts as like a one-hit wonder, more or less.
56:01He had two. He was a two-hit wonder, and I'm trying to remember what, because I know another song of his.
56:07Dollar Signs? Dollar Signs? I'm going to pull it up.
56:10Oh, this is Chameleon Air. It's funny when Spotify has the This Is for guys that kind of had the one big song.
56:17Oh, maybe it was Turn It Up. Dude. Oh, Party Like a Rockstar remix with Lil Wayne, dude.
56:22Yeah, it was Party Like a Rockstar. Yeah. Party Like a Rockstar.
56:25Oh, my. Do you remember Party Like a Rockstar, DK?
56:28I think so. Can you sing it? Party Like a Rock.
56:32Party Like a Rock. Party Like a Rockstar. Come on.
56:34Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that one. I don't know if that's like one of my favorites, really.
56:40No? No. Shout out, Chameleon Air. When Craig is back from Hawaii next week, we'll return to you with another Millennial Banger.
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