0:00Big show for you here today. It is the Sunday Recap.
0:03Now, full transparency, I'm saying it's a big show.
0:06I only know that the first portion of it is a big show because, as I told you guys last week, I
0:13am not going to be a part of the full Sunday Recap because I had some personal stuff.
0:18I had a friend get married in California this week, so I was doing a little traveling.
0:23I wasn't able to be on the pod here on Sunday.
0:26However, I made it home in time to catch the Sunday Night Football game in entirety.
0:31I was watching games on the plane all day, so I caught plenty of football, but not podcast quality takes.
0:37But I was able to give you some podcast quality takes for the Sunday Night Football recap.
0:42Broncos, Rams, ton to get into on that one.
0:45What an exciting football game that turned out to be.
0:48Very herky-jerky performance from the Denver Broncos offense. I'll tell you everything you need to know and what that means on that side of it.
0:56And a little bit of an up-and-down night for the Los Angeles Rams as well.
1:00Then we'll throw to the rest of the show with Ray and Josh and Hayden as they give you literally everything you
1:07could possibly need to know out of what was a wild week three Sunday slate.
1:11All that and more come up on today's show.
1:14Let's get into it. What's going on, everyone? Welcome to the Yahoo Fantasy Forecast nightcap.
1:18And it is a hell of an evening to talk ball.
1:22By the way, I'm Matt Harmon, fresh off an airplane, fresh off a cross-country little trip here.
1:27You know, back to you guys just in time to watch the Sunday Night Football game.
1:32Yeah, I've been watching football on planes all day because that's how dedicated I am to the National Football League.
1:38That's how dedicated I am to you guys, to the show.
1:41It was a great day of NFL football, but we are specifically here to talk about Broncos 30, Rams 26.
1:47Wasn't sure how this game was going to be.
1:50You know, again, like I said, your boy has been traveling all day.
1:54Shout out to the American Airlines Wi-Fi, okay, for me being able to watch games all day while getting back from California.
2:00So that was great. Wasn't sure, like, if my energy level was going to be right for a sleepy Sunday Night Football
2:07game, which I was kind of worried about in the first half we were about to get.
2:12That was not what this game turned out to be.
2:15Turned out to be a pretty big firework show between the Broncos and the Rams here.
2:20Let's start off with the Denver Broncos side of things because, of course, we always start out with the winning team.
2:26And, man, again, it was a slow start. The first half, not great.
2:30This has become a little bit of a theme for the Denver Broncos as they are transitioning away from Sean Payton as
2:37the play caller and towards Davis Webb. It has definitely not been perfect for Davis Webb, even winning this game here.
2:43A big part of it is because Talon Hufunga had a massive night.
2:47He had the interception, the pick six. He also finished the game off in the final play with an interception as well.
2:53He had a great sack on Matthew Sabrick. Hufunga was awesome all night long.
2:58He obviously contributed to the scoring here. This wasn't totally a specific, you know, Broncos offense dominates Talon O'Hufunga dominating this game.
3:04The Broncos defense, I think, stepping up in really particular ways was a big part of why they ended up winning this game at home.
3:12They had a 41% blitz rate, according to Sumer Live.
3:15That was actually closer to 46% before the final drive.
3:18Their pressure rate was pretty high, 43%. They were able to bother Matthew Stafford pretty consistently during this game, which we'll get
3:24back to when we talk about the Rams offense side of it.
3:28But on the Broncos, again, offensively, it is not a smooth sailing event.
3:32Obviously, we'll talk about the Jalen Waddle of it all and how I'm feeling about those predictions in the preseason.
3:38I'll get to that in just a minute here.
3:41But, I mean, man, I'm telling you, as somebody that does have some Jalen Waddle fantasy teams, has some investment in the
3:47Broncos, it is not a fun watch quarter to quarter to experience this football team right now.
3:52They're very much a herky-jerky offensive attack. I think Bo Nix probably just is that guy, if we're being honest.
3:58He is a little bit of a plays-in-chaos type of quarterback.
4:02I said that about him last year. It was part of the reason why Cortland Sutton would have these games where he would kind of disappear, fall back.
4:10The guys that got the gadgety designer touches, they would really pop up more consistently week-to-week in the Broncos offense.
4:16And some of the downfield X receiver stuff for Cortland Sutton, that would kind of go by the wayside for different weeks.
4:23It wasn't like a Cortland Sutton problem necessarily. It was just that Bo Nix is one of these quarterbacks who can play himself in chaos at times.
4:31I think Baker Mayfield is a lot like this as well.
4:34I think there actually is some kind of similarities between those two guys and how they play.
4:39So I think that's just part of the experience with Nix.
4:42And I also think that with that in mind, some of the outside variables for Denver, at least to me watching it,
4:49it feels like it's contributing to some of those worse moments.
4:52Specifically, I think the run game, and this kind of gets into a fantasy take here.
4:57The run game, I think, is a problem for Denver right now.
5:01J.K. Dobbins averages 2.9 yards per attempt in this game.
5:04You look at some of the advanced metrics right now.
5:07Denver is not the same run game that it was in the first 10 weeks of the season last year when Dobbins was healthy.
5:14Right now, they rank 25th in success rate on their running back runs.
5:18They have 28% of their runs, just specifically with the running backs, are going for 5-plus yards.
5:23That is quite different from the team that we saw last year.
5:27Again, when J.K. Dobbins was the lead back, they weren't a great run team.
5:31They were 18th in rushing success rate on their running back runs.
5:3437% of their runs were going for 5-plus yards.
5:37They're not really getting big plays, and they're not moving the ball consistently, keeping the passing game in positive down-and-distance situations.
5:43And I think you see this sometimes with new play callers, too.
5:47It does feel like Davis Webb is pushing the – I don't have the numbers specifically off the top of my hand.
5:54But it does feel like Davis Webb is pretty consistently pushing the run-on-first-10, run-on-first-10, run-on-first-10 button over and over again right now.
6:00Which may also be a little bit of a Sean Payton thing here, too.
6:04I mean, each of the two primetime games that we've gotten for Denver to start this season, the Kansas City Chiefs lost
6:11in Week 1, this win against the Rams in Week 3.
6:14Sean Payton's come out and talked to the reporter after halftime and be like, we've got to run the ball more.
6:21We've got to run the ball more. We've got to – more time in possession, the whole deal.
6:26And so maybe that's also Davis Webb trying to appeal to and appease his boss in this situation.
6:32And let's be clear, Sean Payton's obviously still his boss and still probably runs a good bit of the show on the offensive side of it here.
6:40So that might be that. I do just worry that Dobbins at this point obviously been a really good player for a long time.
6:47I don't think we've seen his best through the first three weeks of the season, which makes it really unfortunate that a
6:53guy like Jonah Coleman, we found out over the last few days, actually has a high ankle sprain that he played through
7:00in Week 2 when he actually had some really nice moments in Week 2.
7:04That happened, I think, on – the report was his first touch that that happened.
7:09He played through it. Now he's on IR. He can't even really help here.
7:13We know that R.J. Harvey is not going to be that steady, consistent, grinded out back for this team.
7:19So I think that is going to be more of a consistent problem for the Broncos in the overall offensive environment here
7:25and how that leads into the passing game. Like I said, I think Bo Nix is a guy who – when you
7:32have him in these situations, this goes all the way back to Thursday Night Football with Jordan Love this week.
7:38When he's a guy who's not in those consistent and positive down and distant situations, you see him kind of lead into
7:45some of his worst instincts here and play in a little bit of chaos mode.
7:49Also, just a little bit too quick on the checkdowns.
7:52I mean, we showed the R.J. Harvey stats here just a second ago.
7:56Just a ton of checkdowns over and over again to the running backs here.
8:00Like routes aren't really developing for this Broncos team before Bo Nix decides, hey, I'm going to check this thing down and
8:07kind of call it on the play. I think that is just a pretty consistent frustration with Bo Nix over the course
8:13of his NFL career to date and something to, of course, keep in mind here.
8:18Harvey, R.J. Harvey has seven targets, six catches for 41 yards.
8:21He is the third leading receiver on the team with 41 yards.
8:25He is tied with Jalen Waddell for the team lead in targets.
8:28And again, I think that is a little bit of a problem here.
8:32So again, I think we've seen some just again, the effects of a new play caller, whether it comes to like, when are we running the football?
8:40How are we kind of phasing that in here?
8:43Some of the pass protection issues up front. I think that's also been a little bit probably.
8:48I mean, it's a good offensive line. We know this is a good offensive line.
8:53Probably some play caller, new offensive architect deal there with Davis Webb.
8:56And just the Bo Nix of it all, I think they're still trying to sort of figure that part out of it.
9:03But still some pretty good signs, obviously, on offense tonight.
9:06They win this football game. Bo Nix makes some incredible plays.
9:09He is a good, I do think he is a good quarterback.
9:13He's just going to be herky-jerky, tough to live with, with the ups and downs part of it all.
9:19And speaking of which, that brings us to the Jalen Waddle of it all.
9:23Look, full transparency here. I have Jalen Waddle on fantasy teams.
9:26I find week one and week three the results to be very frustrating.
9:30But that is how it goes at the wide receiver position.
9:33You know, if you're in the comments right now ripping me about Jalen Waddell, you're in the Twitter replies, I don't remember hearing from you in week two.
9:42That's how it goes at the wide receiver position.
9:44You're going to have big ups. You're going to have big downs.
9:48Now, to be fair, and where I'm going to maybe adjust some of my expectations here on Waddell, and I did say this on Stats vs.
9:56Film with Josh and Hayden on their channel, which, of course, you guys should check out.
10:01It's a great show. I think I said this after week one and even coming out of week two, that I do
10:07think Waddle, I'm adjusting some preseason expectations just in terms of I think he will be more, maybe not boom bust, but
10:14more volatile than I originally expected him to be coming into this year because of some of the things we've talked about
10:20here so far, whether it comes to the pass protection issues, which leads to Bo Nix wanting to check that football down a little bit.
10:28And Waddle isn't really getting as many of the layups as I probably thought he would.
10:33He's getting a lot more big breaking downfield routes.
10:36So to me, he remains an obvious every week fantasy starter because you're not putting a guy that does what he does
10:42in week two on the bench because that's like you're going to get those pretty consistently.
10:47He's not a guy like Jamison Williams either where he has seven targets in this game.
10:52He leads the team, the pass catchers, RJ Harvey aside, he's the lead target getter.
10:56Also, by the way, he had a two-point conversion in this game.
11:00It was incredible. A great route, great throw by Nix, like the tightest of tight windows there.
11:05So it's not as if he did absolutely nothing here for your fantasy teams.
11:09Still got something for the Broncos here. They missed him on a couple plays.
11:13He had a drop. This is how the wide receiver position goes.
11:17Did I probably rank him a little bit too high coming into the season?
11:21Yeah. Maybe I'm ready to eat crow on that.
11:24Not yet, though, because it's still very early, but still a player that I don't regret drafting necessarily where he went in the fourth round.
11:31I think he's going to return that value for you.
11:34Not really panicked about Jalen Waddell, even if, again, I think we can adjust some expectations here.
11:40So a lot to talk about on the Denver Broncos, and I feel like maybe I was a little negative in the
11:46analysis there, but great win by them. The team is good.
11:49I think this is going to be a rollercoaster ride overall.
11:53Maybe things will smooth out at some point as Webb and Bo Nix figure themselves out.
11:58But for now, I think it's going to be a little bit of a rocky ride, but overall still a good team
12:04because the defense tonight, I think, played like the unit that you were expecting the Denver Broncos defense to be, where it's not a total shutdown unit.
12:12Like Riley Moss gives up a play on a double move to Kanata Mumpfield in the second half of this game.
12:19That's going to happen. They're going to have their busts every now and again.
12:23Devontae Adams had a big night here, but they still forced Matthew Stafford into some tough spots.
12:28And we can transition this now to the Denver Broncos defense and Rams offense side of it here.
12:33I mean, look, this Rams team, again, they're a good football team.
12:37I'm not going to sit here and freak out about the Los Angeles Rams.
12:41But one of the reasons that I did pick on Football 301, the Seahawks, to win the division this year.
12:47And the Seahawks obviously lost to the damn Commanders today.
12:50So, you know, I'm not taking a victory lap on any of the Seahawks predictions.
12:55One of the reasons I just maybe had some hesitation about the Rams reaching this extremely high highs that people have for
13:01them beyond the fact that obviously now Miles Garrett is injured and some of the other things there.
13:07Pukanakua is not playing in this game. This is the deal, though.
13:10Like you lose Pukanakua, you've got Devontae Adams, who's playing fantastic football, right?
13:14Ten targets, seven catches, 137 yards. He has the 49-yard catch and run plays.
13:1854 yards after catch in this game. I was just on this primetime recap with Hayden for the Monday night game last
13:25week talking about, man, Devontae Adams' route running is ageless, baby.
13:28He's going to be able to run those routes until he's 40 years old getting the release off the line of scrimmage.
13:35I didn't necessarily think that he could have, like, I split the defense on a route and run after the catch and create a 40-plus yard explosive.
13:43I didn't know that he had that in him.
13:46Okay? So that was cool to see for Devontae Adams.
13:49But that's it, though, especially with Terrence Ferguson banged up in this game.
13:53He had a couple of moments in the first half, also was definitely missed, and Chris Collinsworth pointed this out.
13:59He was probably wide open for what would have been a long explosive catch that Matthew Stafford just didn't quite see.
14:05But Terrence Ferguson also being banged up? Look, you've got Devontae Adams, who is still amazing, but he's a 33-year-old receiver, who
14:12they moved around a lot more in this game.
14:14They got him some slot reps, which is good to see.
14:18That's what you want when you're going against Patrick Sertan.
14:21And, you know, those guys have history together, the whole deal.
14:24I'm sure there's a lot of mutual respect, but they wanted to do some things to get Devontae Adams some routes away
14:30from Patrick Sertan, even though I think he really got the better of that matchup.
14:35Stafford also left some plays on the field to Devontae Adams as well.
14:39But you don't have a lot after that on this Rams offense.
14:42I said this when they played in Australia in week one, and again, it was easy to say it then.
14:49But say it again here tonight, they look like a team that could sure use some impact from their first two draft picks right now.
14:56And obviously some of these rookie pass catchers, rookie receivers specifically, are not off to the hottest starts in fantasy football.
15:02I bet those guys would be off to better starts if they were the suddenly now second wide receiver in the Rams offense.
15:09Or even in the second round, like you take Max Clare, you play all these tight ends, he can't even get on
15:16the football field because you've got Terrence Ferguson, you've got Davis Allen, you've got Colby Parkinson, and you've got Tyler Higbee, who
15:22had a couple of plays for himself tonight. I do think this Rams offense is just missing a counterpunch in the passing game right now.
15:30And I also think the offensive line maybe isn't all it's cracked up to be.
15:34Again, Denver was able to get an over 43% pressure rate on Matthew Stafford tonight.
15:39It's a tough place to play on the road, in Denver, in the altitude, the whole deal.
15:44Totally get that. Nevertheless, this isn't one of those games where I thought the Rams looked smooth and steady wire to wire in the passing game.
15:52And I think without Puka Nakua, you're going to feel those moments for this team because they just don't have that counterpunch here necessarily.
15:59So lots to chew on with the Rams offense here.
16:02But I think we still know from a fantasy standpoint where things stand.
16:06Kyron Williams is a lead back. He had some really impressive moments tonight as well.
16:11Kyron Williams is just an awesome player. Blake Corum also had some moments as well.
16:15But he is the auxiliary running back. That is what it is.
16:19He is not a guy you can consider starting every week.
16:22Kyron Williams, of course, is someone you are starting every single week.
16:26And then it's Devontae Adams who is a top 10 receiver every single week in my rankings as long as Puka Nakua is out.
16:33And we are kind of monitoring this Puka Nakua situation.
16:36People think he might need surgery on the injury that he is dealing with right now.
16:41Some people think he will be fine. We don't know how that is going to play out just yet.
16:46It's a little bit odd. Just a little bit concerning with the Puka Nakua part of it.
16:51But the Rams certainly feel like a team that needs a second counterpunch at receiver.
16:56But from a fantasy standpoint, it is pretty cut and dry here at this point.
17:00So keep an eye on the Terrence Ferguson injury because that's a big one, of course, going forward.
17:06So we've got a lot of content coming up this week.
17:09I have got a lot of work to do tomorrow to catch up on some of the games I couldn't totally dive into.
17:16So with that, let's call it here for the Sunday Night Football solo recap.
17:20The nightcap here on the channel. I'll catch you guys next time.
17:24All right. That does it for the Sunday Night Football solo nightcap recap.
17:28Now let's toss it to the boys, Josh, Hayden, and Ray for the full Sunday recap.
17:33Let's get into it. Oh, yes. Week three is complete.
17:36And this is our game by game recap show where we talk you through all of it.
17:41And hopefully we learned something. I'm not sure if we did.
17:44I mean, there are five 3-0 teams, five 0-3 teams, and a bunch of nonsense in between.
17:49But that's what we're supposed to do here. Figure out the nonsense in your fantasy lineups.
17:54Tell you how all the players produced or underperformed in expectation.
17:57And Hayden will kick it off with one of those 3-0 teams now.
18:01The Buffalo Bills beating the LA Chargers 24-16. The Chargers out to a 10-0 start.
18:06In my opinion, this could have jump-started their entire season.
18:09And yet, in the end, they lose by 8.
18:11How'd it happen? Teams entered today with two wins, 119 losses, and a tie when losing a turnover battle by 4-plus in
18:18the regular season, according to Sumer Sports, since 2016.
18:21And the Chargers, of course, became the third team to lose with that.
18:25And it was embarrassing for the Chargers because a lot of these Bills turnovers were not because the Chargers were making exceptional plays.
18:31Like James Cook fumbled the ball. Dalton Kincaid fumbled.
18:34Yard after the catch moment. There was a really fluky interception down the football field to Genesis Smith.
18:40Josh Allen had a very uncharacteristic interception over the middle as well.
18:43So the ball was bouncing the correct way for the Chargers.
18:46And they still lost this one by 8 points.
18:49I think in the first half of the game, Josh Allen, it seemed like a lot of the cover 2s and cover
18:566, cover 4, two deep zone coverages from the Chargers were kind of keeping Josh Allen quiet.
19:01But by the second half of the game, James Cook just chunk run after chunk run.
19:06Josh Allen finished off a couple drives with some tush-pushes as he typically does.
19:10DJ Moore, a couple chunk plays over the middle.
19:13Nothing too explosive down the football field. He nearly scored a touchdown with this one.
19:17And then Ty Johnson out-of-structure plays out there. So it was, I think, a fine game from the Buffalo Bills offense in
19:24general, aside from the five turnovers, which is obviously a huge caveat there.
19:28But really just an embarrassing loss for the Chargers here.
19:31I thought the offense was still stuck in the mud.
19:34I thought Harbaugh made some really bad decisions. We'll get to that in a little bit.
19:38On the Buffalo Bills side, though, late in the game, Josh Allen kind of gets hit in his knee.
19:44In the postgame, he's kind of like leaning over on one side.
19:48It was like walking pretty gingerly. That's going to be the big storyline on the Buffalo Bills side.
19:53It's making sure that Josh Allen knee injury isn't a severe one.
19:57I mean, hey, Josh Allen turns the ball over multiple times.
20:00But then that just shows you how dominant you can be in fantasy football as a quarterback with your legs.
20:06The two rushing touchdowns. You know, I was kind of watching this one as well.
20:11And you said embarrassing for the Chargers. I mean, is it not embarrassing that this offense that everybody projected to be really
20:17good, they have failed to score 20 points in any game this season?
20:21Talk about embarrassing versus the Chargers. I thought the loss versus the Cardinals was embarrassing.
20:26Then we kind of thought the loss versus the Raiders, which we'll talk about in a little bit, maybe a little bit
20:32embarrassing for what we expected this offense to be.
20:35I know we focus on the winning team. This Chargers team, y'all, I'm just, I'm very, very concerned.
20:40And Hayden, I'm going to get there at some point, right?
20:44But the rushing attack, I'm looking at the running backs.
20:47And we've kept dancing around this for the first couple of weeks about Omarion Hampton.
20:51I know he scored, but he has not looked great to me.
20:55He hasn't looked awful. But he hasn't looked like this dominant first-round running back that I thought would be just this huge fantasy difference maker.
21:02I think we're going to at least get close to, if not have already pressed the panic button on multiple teams and multiple offenses already three weeks in.
21:11Yeah, Omarion Hampton, this was a very concerning game.
21:1315 carries for 56 yards. It's not just like the yards per carry.
21:17All of his touches are kind of right up the middle at this point.
21:22And the interior offensive line is not going to pick those ones up.
21:25He only played 42% of the snaps. He played two of 16 snaps on third and fourth downs.
21:31Late in the game, Kamani Vaidala was out there in catch-up mode.
21:34There was also like a flea flicker early on where they did not trust Omarion Hampton.
21:39This was on a first down, I believe. And Kamani Vaidala was out there for that flea flicker.
21:45And then just kind of big picture. If you watch all the Keaton Mitchell runs, it's all the runs to the sideline.
21:51And then all of the runs up the middle are Omarion Hampton.
21:55It is a bad sign that in the third week of the season, it seems like McDaniels kind of pivoted off trying
22:01to get to the Omarion Hampton, Devon Achan role to the perimeter where he thinks he's going to be more north-south.
22:08They don't have north-south blockers up front. And this is another game.
22:11No receptions for Omarion Hampton. He has two catches in the first three games.
22:16And the Chargers are 0-3 in them. They have a negative 32-point differential.
22:20And he's still not getting involved in the pass game.
22:23I'm not even blaming McDaniel on that. This is just looking like a bust in fantasy for Omarion Hampton.
22:28I do not know how this one turns around.
22:31Yeah, it sounds like a tell to me. Like, if me and you can watch the Chargers and we know that Keaton
22:38Mitchell's runs are going to be the outside and then Omarion Hampton's up the middle, then defenses will key on that as well.
22:44As you said, 15 carries, 56 yards for Hampton, just one target.
22:48Meanwhile, Keaton Mitchell, 8 carries, 52 yards. And then he did have one receiving score despite having negative 5 receiving yards on the day.
22:55Just a quick question on there, and then I'll get to the pass catchers.
22:59At least from my seat, I don't see how Keaton Mitchell can be a running back one for an NFL team.
23:06He's just too light to me, Hayden. Do you think we're headed in a direction where he is the quote-unquote running back one?
23:13Or is this just a 50-50 split where really both of them aren't going to matter in the long run?
23:19I think it's going to be a committee, but I think it's going to be a committee where they're going to use the fullback in pass protection snaps.
23:27They're going to have Kamani Vidal in pass protection snaps.
23:30So, like, it's kind of like an early down committee.
23:33And then that touchdown for Keaton Mitchell, it was two Hampton runs up the middle.
23:38On third and at the goal line, they did a Keaton Mitchell little sweep where Justin Herbert throws for a touchdown.
23:44It's really just a run play. Keaton Mitchell did break a couple tackles on that touchdown.
23:49He had to evade a defensive tackle. There was one time where he did take on some decent contact near the perimeter.
23:55Keaton Mitchell does not have the size to be the number one.
23:59And I don't think Omarion Hampton is so bad that he can't stay involved in this committee.
24:04Like, that is not where we're at here. It's just that what Hampton is good at is not what the Chargers have.
24:11And I think that's going to be pretty frustrating, especially when the pass game is as dysfunctional as it was in this one.
24:18Like, there's just not going to be that many red zone opportunities for Omarion Hampton to take the goal line dives in.
24:24Lots of conversation of Vlad McConkie heading into this one.
24:27Five targets, four receptions, 66 yards. Trey Harris, six for 76.
24:31And QJ, three for 40. Any signs of life for any of those?
24:34Because, again, going back to last week, Vlad was the only consistent part.
24:38And here, again, just 66 yards on four receptions.
24:41Vlad got a big play late in the game, like in complete trail mode.
24:45Quinton Johnson, third and 10 drop. That was a really bad one and a very high impact moment.
24:51Aranda Gadsden had a big drop. It was kind of like a ball was a little bit high from Justin Herbert.
24:57That was a big play. And then Lad McConkie, they had man coverage rep, like on the high red zone, throws it
25:04up there for a could be touchdown. And Lad McConkie and Justin Herbert weren't able to connect on that.
25:09And this is something that just Tom Brady was saying throughout the game is like when Lad McConkie is your number one
25:16and he's that small and he's like working on the football field, like you have to be so precise for that to work.
25:23And like you felt that from this past game here, nothing really explosive all the way down the football field.
25:29Justin Herbert had a really, really, really terrible interception.
25:32I do not know how he did not see the safety over the middle of the football field.
25:37I'll also mention there was another end zone interception from Justin Herbert.
25:41That one was called back on a holding play that I didn't really think that was involved in that place.
25:47That would have been a really bad second interception for Justin Herbert.
25:50And then on late downs, 54% pressure rate on late down snaps.
25:54So too many drops, not enough hero moments from Justin Herbert.
25:57And then like nothing came really easy here because all the runs to Martin Hampton weren't working.
26:02So a lot of the same old stuff from the Chargers offense here.
26:06And my last thing on them, Harbaugh makes way too many mistakes in just like punting the ball, going for it, all that type of thing.
26:14Like there was a situation fourth and three at the three yard line and they attempt a field goal.
26:20They miss it. There was also a play early in the game.
26:23Third and five is a run play for three yards to set up a fourth and fourth and two at the 13 yard line.
26:30After running it on third and five, they opted for a field goal.
26:34Then they have a fourth and four from the four yard line.
26:38They go for a field goal then. So it's like field goal, field goal, field goal, and like all of these like 50, 50 spots.
26:45And then later in the game now, because they're losing it's fourth and 10 at their own 45.
26:51And that's when they decide to go for a field goal.
26:54Like this is just like, it's really, really, or try to go for it on fourth down.
26:59It's just like really terrible management from Harbaugh way too conservative.
27:03Like really reminds me of the D'Amico Ryan stuff.
27:05We'll get to in a little bit, but like this team cannot be conservative.
27:09Their defense isn't good enough. Their offense isn't good enough.
27:12Like this team has to be aggressive in these situations.
27:15And Harbaugh continuously just is way too conservative and it really costs the Chargers early in this game.
27:21But my last question for you, Hayden, on the Buffalo side, Dalton Kincaid's been on a heater to start the season.
27:27And I did see the play where he was fighting for extra yards, fumbled the ball.
27:32Was it, was this just the product of the Chargers defended him really well?
27:36They said, we're going to take away Dalton Kincaid.
27:39Is there anything to worry about moving forward? Or do you just kind of, he's going to have one of those games.
27:46He's not going to smash every week, but I'm not worried about Kincaid.
27:49Like mostly the latter there. I mean, obviously the DJ more missing last week probably helped Dalton Kincaid out and DJ more had 10 targets on 26.
27:58Josh Allen dropbacks. Like that's a huge number for DJ more.
28:01And I think that the offense is going to funnel between the two of them.
28:05I will say just, I think when we go back and watch this game on all 22, I do think the Chargers
28:12were doing some, some interesting things in zone coverage.
28:15There's a lot of moments where Josh was kind of holding onto the ball for a tick longer, getting to like this fourth, fifth read in a play.
28:23That was like the Chargers defense playing a lot better in their like zone communication more than anything else.
28:29Just to finish up on the tight end note, Aranda Gadsden only played 39 of 69 snaps in this game.
28:35Far from a full-time player, zero receptions, zero receiving yards on top of it.
28:39And yeah, to your point Hayden, for teams that, you know, go for it on fourth down or don't.
28:45The number one thing is you have to be consistent with all of that, right?
28:49And it sounds like Harbaugh is just inconsistent with his decision making in those fourth down situations.
28:54Okay, let's talk about some fun teams. All right.
28:57Detroit at home improves to two and one as they beat the New York Jets 31 to 24.
29:02The Jets actually take a lead in the second quarter.
29:05Kenyon Sadiq, first round pick. Oregon, 24 yard touchdown down the seam versus a defensive back.
29:10Lays out for it. Just a sweet throw, a sweet grab that only had a 16% chance of being completed.
29:16They get it done. Lions respond with Amara St.
29:19Brown touchdown after a nice kickoff return. But the fireworks, and I mean real fireworks, really started in the second half.
29:25It has 17 yard Jameer Gibbs touchdown one of three on the day.
29:29You have to go back and watch this score.
29:32A crazy deceleration once he gets to the line of scrimmage.
29:35Cut back to the left. Acceleration to then pull away from the stop start defenders to win towards the front pylon.
29:42That's a 17-7 lead. Jets have a chance to respond.
29:45They get it down to the seven. But back-to-back sacks then forces them into a field goal situation.
29:50So let's keep in mind these four point plays.
29:53We go back and forth with a couple of touchdowns.
29:56Lions get the ball stuffed on fourth and two on their own 46.
30:00Speaking of Dan Campbell being aggressive in those fourth down situations.
30:03And then Garrett Wilson comes down with a sick double move touchdown on fourth and six.
30:08He was still interfered with but still came down with a grab.
30:11All square at 24 after our guy Sterling Shepard.
30:14Yes, he's on the Jets. Two-point conversion. But again, drive and the game comes down to an 11-yard receiving touchdown for Jameer Gibbs.
30:21And while the Jets, on their final drive of the game, get down to the 28-yard line, Garrett Wilson, who has his
30:27first 100-yard day, Hayden, since 2024, exits on the neck snap.
30:31And Geno Smith fumbles on an unblocked pressure for Chuck Clark.
30:34And the game is over. So while the Jets are one and two, they showed fight.
30:39They were feisty. Geno on the day, 31 of 37, 321 and three scores.
30:43But the five sacks in the end with a sack fumble close it out for the Lions.
30:48I think for the Lions, it's always just Jameer Gibbs and Amon Ross St.
30:52Brown in the end zone. I think just to me, my question for the Lions is, is the defense as bad as it was in the previous weeks?
31:01And it does seem like the answer to that was yes.
31:04And then the follow-up to that would be like, what does that mean for Sam Laporta and Jameson Williams?
31:10So those are like the ancillary pieces that we need to get into fantasy lineup.
31:14So just how bad was it for Detroit's secondary?
31:17Well, the secondary was rough. I mean, what? They're down like four safeties on top of this.
31:22So how good can you be? You know, they one of their corners was, you know, DPI and letting downfield shots and all that type of stuff.
31:30But at the same time, Hayden, it's kind of tough to gauge because it's not like the Jets had that many pass catchers out there.
31:38Like we know Sadiq is running down the middle and down the seam.
31:42And then Garrett Wilson is on the outside. But other than that, Ray, the huge talking point is Brees Hall leaving this
31:48game, I think, in the third quarter. Maybe it was actually in the fourth quarter.
31:53He got two carries at the four-yard line. And then the second one goes down with what looks like a thigh or quad injury.
32:00And those can linger and linger and linger for a while.
32:03So while Brees looked great early on, he looked good in other games this season, we might be seeing a time and
32:10a stint on the sideline for him. Well, Josh, I believe at the beginning of the season coming in, you put it
32:17out there that you thought this Jets team, at least offensively, would be a lot better than we had remembered or had thought about the Jets being.
32:25And I'm looking at them. And the first thing that's jumping out is how long have we been like wanting Garrett Wilson to be a thing?
32:32It seems like it's happening this year. He's not Jamar Chase.
32:36He's not JSN. It's not at that level. But this feels like you've got a top seven-ish, top eight wide receiver right here in Garrett Wilson.
32:44Rest of the way, I'm watching Braylon Allen. And I know they like to use him close to the goal line.
32:50And if Brees is out, do you think or would expect Braylon Allen to assume the majority of the rushing work?
32:56Or is it going to be a nasty committee here in New York?
33:00No, I think it'll be Braylon Allen. And I can't tell you how successful that'll be.
33:05He definitely has a different kind of, let's say, running style than Brees Salt.
33:09Yeah, I mean, to your point, Ray, the Jets are better than their 1-2 record.
33:14And these losses the last two weeks, 20-17 to the Packers, which in that game, by the way, Jordan Love only threw for 145 yards.
33:21The leading rusher on the opposition was 32 yards.
33:24I would assume that some Jets fans are frustrated by the coaching.
33:27And I would say Aaron Glenn had some maybe questionable decision-making at the end of the first half.
33:33And then, again, they only lose in a one-possession game here.
33:36But they have enough going on offense to get their best players the football.
33:40Again, it was Wilson and Sadiq. Wilson and Sadiq.
33:43And then, even on top of it, like, Jeremy Ruckett went 5 for 39.
33:47And he had a red zone touchdown on top of it.
33:51And even Jelani Woods has this awesome grab to himself along the sidelines.
33:55So while their rushing game only went, you know, 19 carries for 58 yards, they were still figuring it out in the passing game.
34:02And that gives me some hope and a lot more hope, Hayden, than I was expecting with Frank Wright heading into the season.
34:09That's for sure. Sadiq 105 yards and a touchdown with Mason Taylor out.
34:13Obviously, that night Mitchell injury. Like, that seems like that can linger for a little bit now.
34:18Like, tight end's really deep in fantasy. But where would you stack up Kenyon Sadiq going into next week?
34:23Okay. I think he has entered himself into the flex conversation for as long as Mason Taylor is out.
34:29Uh, there's like 14, 15 deep at tight end right now.
34:32But among these wide receivers that on a weekly basis are getting like 4 for 44 or these running backs that run
34:39into horrible matchups and they're in split backfields. I really think that we should be looking at these tight ends that are
34:46in favorable situations that are top two or three in terms of target getters on their team.
34:51That's where the NFL is right now. And Kenyon Sadiq, uh, he just ran some crossing routes over and over and won't
34:57have to catch on a few of them too.
35:00Um, I mean, eight targets, seven receptions, 105 yards is definitely the way to go.
35:05Uh, just quickly on that note, speaking of one of the wide receivers that constantly gives us a roller coaster, Jamison Williams
35:11had two targets on the first drive and two catches.
35:14Then I don't think got another target until the third quarter and he had another two catches on that drive.
35:20And that was it. So there are these moments that maybe on the sideline or heading into a game, it's like, okay,
35:27we got to get Jamo the ball and these outbreakers or, you know, force some things in his direction.
35:32And then yet he goes silent completely in between.
35:35So just four catches per 49 yards. Um, and Isaac Tesla somehow, some way actually is a 66 yards and tops the receivers.
35:42I mean, it comes down to that 49 yard that he caught, uh, after and over the middle of the field.
35:48So the lines are, are, are very straightforward and, uh, hopefully you had the one-on-one Ray to, uh, draft Jameer Gibbs because
35:55it's another three touchdown day for him. So let me ask you this, Josh, let me ask you this.
36:01Cause we talked about this lions team and this offense being great.
36:04And I just want to ask you is the lions offense actually that good schematically or is Jameer Gibbs just that good and changes the defensive math.
36:12Cause I'm, I mean, I'm in Ross, I'm around, you're not going to panic.
36:17I know he didn't have a lot of yards.
36:19He scored the touchdown, but I'm looking at this offense.
36:22Like it feels like it's, it's Gibbs or bust for, for a lot of Detroit.
36:27Ray, I don't want to, you know, spoil anything ahead, but they do play the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night football and
36:33the Carolina Panthers might be out Mike Jackson and JC Horn on that Sunday night football game.
36:39So, uh, I think the lions might have an explosion, uh, next Sunday night.
36:43That's three straight games. The lions have finished with exactly 31 points too, which would lead the league in most seasons and
36:49over the next three games, Panthers defense, Cardinals defense and Packers defense.
36:53So, uh, this might be the sweet spot here for the Detroit lions.
36:57All right, Ray, we're headed to you. Speaking of the NSU South, every team is one and two or Owen to as
37:04the Las Vegas fricking Raiders are three and O on the season as they beat the saints 35 to 27 with a
37:10huge return of Brock Bowers, 10 catches, 116 yards and a score.
37:14Yeah, this is, I said it last week. If there was an early favorite for coach of the year, I think it would be Clint Kubiak.
37:22I I'm watching this Raiders team and this was not a cakewalk form.
37:25First quarter three zero, um, Las Vegas outgain, new Orleans 63 to 11, uh, as far as yardage output Ashton Gentry at three carries six yards.
37:33He really struggled in this one, but in the second quarter, uh, second year quarterback, Tyler Shuck really found his groove.
37:40And you look at what he did in the second quarter, 10 for 16 passing 91 yards and two touchdowns.
37:46And even through then Chris Olave only three catches 41 yards up to that point, nothing really happened in the third quarter.
37:52The game stayed 16 to 13, neither offense really separated.
37:55And then at the end, it was just absolute chaos.
37:58It was fun. Tyler Shuck got up to four passing touchdowns in this one.
38:02We finally saw Chris Olave's usage start to expand.
38:05He crossed over a hundred yards in that fourth quarter.
38:08Let me give you some history from this game.
38:11Six receiving touchdowns by tight ends in this game.
38:14The most in the NFL since 1981. It's the year of the tight end.
38:18Yeah, Noah Fant, Juwan Johnson, Brock Bowers. This was, this was a game of all the tight ends in, in the biggest takeaway from this Las Vegas side.
38:26Y'all I can't, we cannot. You look at this Raiders team.
38:29There's no real wide receiver of consequence, but Brock Bowers.
38:32I mean, Kirk cousins had like laser focus for number 89.
38:36He didn't score until the end, but Bowers going into half.
38:39He had seven for 87 at halftime for Brock Bowers and he finished with 116 yards and the touchdown.
38:45Ashton Gentey really struggled against this New Orleans defense to find rushing opportunity.
38:49The most explosive running play came from Mike Washington who had a big run in this game.
38:54Ashton Gentey, you're not worried about it because the volume was there.
38:5719 carries, but just couldn't find a lot of success.
39:00And on the other side of the ball, sticking with the running backs, it felt like y'all, this was the game.
39:07They said, all right, Travis HN, we're going to feed you.
39:10We're going to feature you. We're going to throw you the ball.
39:14We're going to, we're going to run you the right 13 carries 57 yards.
39:18He looked fine. But then in the third quarter, hamstring injury.
39:21And then all of a sudden you look up and it's Kendra Miller.
39:25It's Alvin Kamara bobbling, toss plays out of the backfield.
39:28But you just, you know, Tyler shock. It wasn't clean.
39:31It wasn't perfect. But Kellen Moore is just such a creative play caller.
39:35The way they utilize Juwan Johnson for more passing touchdowns.
39:38He was quite inefficient in this one. And the game ended on a Tyler shock throw to Juwan Johnson.
39:44It fumbled away. We were probably all watching that.
39:46But I mean, as long as they're going to continue to just air this thing out, I mean, Tyler shock is locked and loaded as a starter.
39:54Brock Bowers, absolutely dominant in this game. This was a really fun game.
39:58And again, the Raiders are three and Oh right now in an offense that like, if you've got to scream Kirk Cousins,
40:05you can do a hell of a lot worse than that.
40:08Wow. You got to give me the goods on Brock Bowers.
40:12How did he look like? How, how is he fitting in the Kubiak offense?
40:16Yeah. Like, is this JSN? Is this typical Brock Bowers?
40:19Everything. I'm not, no joke. I don't know what was wrong with him.
40:23The knee, what it didn't look like anything was wrong with Brock Bowers.
40:27Short down the field, crossing routes. It was hyper target Brock Bowers all over the field.
40:31They were putting two on him. He couldn't be stopped.
40:34He looked unstoppable. And if you're talking about a guy first game of the season, just back from the knee injury, and
40:41this is Bowers, let's just say 90%, 85%. Like this, this is your tight end one, but he's really like your wide receiver one for Las Vegas.
40:49Right. I, I know you said we shouldn't be worried about Ashton Jenty and he did get three catches for 37 yards.
40:56I am a bit worried about his rushing success on the ground right now over these last two games.
41:01And look, we're talking about the Chargers defense and the Saints defense here, right?
41:06He was 21 for 48 last week and 19 for 56 here.
41:09And we know obviously that Mike Washington had that long run of 36 yards on the touchdown.
41:14So is this just poor blocking up front? Is this something that can get fixed?
41:19I understand that once we get volume, no matter what on 22 touches, you should get there to a degree that is startable on a weekly basis.
41:27But, uh, I think this is the concern heading into the season that the Raiders offensive line just struggles to run block at this moment.
41:35I'll tell you their highly paid center was on the ground a lot more than I would have liked to seen Tyler Linderbaum.
41:41Um, I, I, when you guys watch that one back, you'll see him on the ground quite a bit.
41:47I'll just say this watching Jenty, you're not concerned because the volume is there.
41:51What was he dealing with coming in this season?
41:54The high ankle sprain? He doesn't quite look Jenty-esque right now.
41:57So maybe this is something that, hey, finish the game healthy.
42:01Maybe that, that ankle will heal up as we go.
42:04Mike Washington had the most explosive play, but they are very much committed to Jenty who, again, dropped off.
42:09I think two passes in this game as well after dropping about three last week.
42:14Like, catch the ball, Ashton Jenty, please. Yeah, I'm looking at the grades too.
42:18Ashton Jenty's getting lit up in pass protection, apparently.
42:21And then I saw a reporter saying that the trainers were looking at his ankles again on the sideline there.
42:27Look, man, Ashton Jenty has to break more tackles and show more explosiveness.
42:31It's, it's kind of that simple. I mean, this is, this is the second straight year of it.
42:36Like in this game, he did have like decent yards before contact.
42:40There's just like, he's not hitting enough explosives on the ground.
42:43And that's, it's kind of, it's very similar to what we had last year.
42:47And then when you get Mike Washington in there, and then he like, he immediately has a 36 yard touchdown.
42:53Like that was like the most well-blocked play either.
42:56Um, that's like, for example, I think I would rather have Brock Bowers and Ashton Jenty rest of season, just straight up.
43:03Like if I was doing a draft today, um, and I think like that, that was not, that was not, that was a no discussion two weeks ago.
43:11And I think at this point it would be Brock Bowers over Jenty in my rankings.
43:16Yeah. Interesting point. I think a lot of fantasy shows might, if you redrafted, take Ashton Jenty in the top 12.
43:22I can't wait to go back and rewatch this one.
43:25By the way, this Raiders offense gets the Kansas City Chiefs next week in a cool AFC West showdown.
43:31Um, you talk through it. We know about a lot of a, we know about Juwan Johnson.
43:36I mean, again, hopefully you have like George Kittle and Juwan Johnson, that we talked about so much this summer.
43:42That means you have four touchdowns from tight ends and you're playing both guys in the tight end spot and the flex.
43:49Um, A Chan entered this game with a hamstring.
43:51He exits with the hamstring. Ray, we always talk about running back insurance and condensed backfields and all those types of stuff.
43:58Is there any hope for the States backfield moving forward?
44:01What is it right now? I would, I would, I would recommend you find somebody else.
44:06Like, I would think that was fine. He, he, let me say he was NFL fine, but he, he looks like a
44:1230 year old running back that never really was used as a true do it all bell cow running back.
44:18Kendra Miller was getting lit up once he got into the game.
44:22It's Tyler shock. It's shock or bust. It's chuck it to down the field to Chris Olave, shuck it to Juwan Johnson and Kellen Moore, obviously trust him.
44:30I mean, they're throwing it all over the place.
44:3348 pass attempts for him. The efficiency wasn't there.
44:36There, there will be issues. If, if A Chan is going to miss time, there's going to be significant issues in that backfield.
44:43Sorry. I want to watch it from back up left tackle.
44:46Sorry, Josh. Yeah. No, you're good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
44:49Hey, I mean, you were because Banks was out, right?
44:52He's got a high ankle sprain. So he's not coming back anytime soon for, for new Orleans.
44:57Like, and it showed at the end. I mean, Chuck was under duress big time towards the end of that game.
45:03So it's, it's Chuck it's Johnson and it's Chris Olave moving forward from this offense that you really feel confident and comfortable putting in your fantasy lineup.
45:11Yeah. Saints get the Falcons next week. And then right after that, it's the Minnesota Vikings.
45:16Vikings. So, uh, they better get that offensive line, right against the Vikings and the past protection.
45:21That's for sure. Okay. Ray, we go from bad to worse for you as your Dallas Cowboys lose on the last second
45:28field goal to the Baltimore Ravens 34 to 31.
45:30Now positive. I think you could argue this is the best international game of all time.
45:35I mean, they gave the Brazilians a show down there.
45:38I mean, the Cowboys open 10, nothing Ravens, then go on a 24 to three run, two touchdowns by Derek Henry and
45:45a short touchdown catch by yes, Chris Moore. Um, I will say, I mean, obviously this game is back and forth.
45:51I won't talk through it all. Some of the more shocking elements was that Derek Henry was stopped at least twice in
45:58terms of turnover on downs and third and fourth and short situations.
46:01One on the goal line, uh, Jason Barham who stepped in here in the starting lineup, wears no gloves, no wrist tape,
46:08no elbow pads, just naked arms out there with long hair, uh, made play after play as a fill player.
46:14Um, and then for the Cowboys, I mean, yes, obviously everyone could have predicted Kevante Turpin getting two goal line touchdowns, uh, one and two passes.
46:22I think one, a jet sweep and then one, a receiving touchdown, but CD Lame and George Pickens, while they didn't find
46:28the end zone, we're just all over the place.
46:31Both had seven catches, 112 and 82 yards respectively.
46:34Kevante gets in there for a short yardage touchdown, but the game at the end and just the moment was, I'm going to say a ball.
46:42Don't lie type stuff where to me, Ray, as a unbiased person, I think a horrible call by the refs sets the
46:48Cowboys up at the one yard line. Uh, Nate Wiggins is trying to play the ball, gets his eyes turned yet.
46:55His arm is hooked with CD Lame. They call it DPI, which to me, it was preventing Nate Wiggins from catching interception, which would have ended the game.
47:03The Cowboys get it at the one or two yard line.
47:06They can only settle for a field goal tie game, seven seconds left, a 27 yard pass to Zay Flowers who played
47:13a lot more than let's say his five for 84 would suggest.
47:16And a lot more than I think was reported ahead of this game.
47:20Uh, and then Tyler loop walks it off with a suey 56 yard field goal in the end.
47:26So yeah, you can see here on the screen, just the up and down rollercoaster nature of this second half, some highs
47:32from both, but some lows from both as well here.
47:35Right? Yeah. I feel them. My heart still hurts from this one because I thought we'd be delayed in recording this because like, Oh, we're going to overtime.
47:44We got it. But as you said, ball don't lie because that was not a pass interference call.
47:49And I thought that was great. Great defense by Nate Wiggins down there.
47:53Very. And I want your take. Cause I'm watching this game clearly with some, a little bit of a bias lens.
47:59Yeah. Dallas's defense. I mean, they came to play.
48:02This would have been two weeks in a row.
48:05Oh, Ray Garvin would have been without a home because I would have bet my mortgage that Derrick Henry would have had
48:11150 yards in this game and gotten close to 200 yards, 3.4 an attempt on 26 carries.
48:17I thought the defense was phenomenal against him. And outside of a Lamar Jackson, a couple of runs, you know, later on,
48:23I know Lamar got down the field. Uh, the Derrick Henry, was there anything in this one that concerned you with, with Henry in particular?
48:31I mean, two touchdowns. I'm talking about him running the ball.
48:34Did he look like the King or, or, or was this just Dallas's defense, which has not been good against the run.
48:41Talk, talk about Derrick Henry. Yeah. Derrick Henry has always been an interesting runner in that he is this mammoth monster robotic of a build.
48:48And yet to me always needs a little bit of a runway to get going and look his best.
48:54And a bunch of those stuffed carries where when offensive linemen or lead blockers were stuck at the line of scrimmage and
49:00he kind of ran into the back of them and then took a couple of steps back and then tried to restart his momentum.
49:08So there's nothing different about Derrick Henry to me.
49:10It was more just this kind of shuffling Ravens offensive line.
49:14Like by the end of the game, Ethan Posich looks like he hyperextended his left knee.
49:18He exited their first round. And Vinga Ioni had to come in and snap footballs and play center on the game.
49:25The second to nearly game winning drive. I think he only had 14 snaps in his collegiate career back in 2024 and that's it.
49:32And they were still able to win. So I know they've already gone through two centers at this point and who knows
49:39if that is the case here, but Hayden, I kind of misspoke earlier.
49:43Zay Flowers only played 21 of like 60 something plays overall.
49:46And I guess to my eyes, I know Rashad even had a good week last week on the box score, but this
49:52offense really hasn't looked quite as good as it did in the first two quarters.
49:57Wednesday Flowers was a full-time player against the Indianapolis Colts.
50:00And ever since then, they're like trying to, you know, win in these moments of Lamar scrambles or here's a Mark Andrews
50:07broken tackle or those types of things. So I really wish we got Declan Doro with Zay Flowers completely healthy because I think fireworks are apparent.
50:14Yeah. The interesting part in this one, they had 30 series on offense.
50:18Baltimore had 21 of them started with a rush.
50:21Only nine of them started with the pass. This was like a very, very run heavy offense in this one.
50:27And they made the Zay Flowers stuff count. And obviously that big 27 yarder over the middle in an obvious must pass situation.
50:34But this is, I think, a team just trying to figure out exactly how potent they can be through the air, like
50:41beyond just like the Lamar Jackson and the Zay Flowers part of it.
50:44Like they're still trying to figure out what is like Mark Andrews and these backup tight ends.
50:50Like what is a Chris Moore and Tez Walker and like those type of guys.
50:54Could they trust them or not? Like in the meantime, there's like running the ball up the middle to Derrick Henry until proven otherwise.
51:01Yeah. There was a deep shot to Tez Walker early that drew a defensive pass interference.
51:06And then there was another one that was him in a one-on-one situation and he just like failed to attack the football.
51:13I mean, a better receiver would have gone up and at least had a chance on it.
51:18But that kind of shows you where they're at right now with, like we talked about, Tez Walker or LaJonte Wester or
51:24Chris Moore and these guys pop up. And then, yeah, if Flowers plays 21 snaps and then Bateman's also in there, then they somewhat cancel each other out.
51:33I'll be at Zay Flowers does get the 27 yarder at the end.
51:37So I apologize to everyone in the starts. It showed that we told to play Rashad Bateman.
51:42I was expecting him to be kind of the full-time wide receiver here.
51:46I was not expecting Zay Flowers to play. But again, even on 21 snaps, it shows you how important Zay is to this passing attack.
51:53Yeah. We're 21 snaps, six targets, five receptions, 84 yards.
51:56I just hope he gets fully healthy for the rest of the season from here on out.
52:01Josh, on Declan Doyle quickly, anything you see in this offense that reminds you of anything that was run with the Bears?
52:08Does it look completely different? Do they not have the personnel?
52:11Like is it, I know they won the game, but does the offense feel like a fruitful fantasy environment outside of the big names that we know?
52:19Um, no, I mean, I think it's going to be the Henry and Flower show.
52:24And then every once in a while, someone else will pop up in there.
52:28But one thing I firmly know is that Declan Doyle is weaponizing Lamar Jackson's mobility more so than maybe an injured Lamar
52:35that we've seen over the last year or last season, I guess.
52:38Some of the best plays were him kind of running around in the backfield.
52:43And some of it was designed to, hey, go this way and throw it back the opposite way or buy himself some
52:49time and get some players open or, hey, invite some pressure here, then climb up and we can scramble off that too.
52:56I mean, he had six carries for 50 yards.
52:58There have been times when he's been banged up that we haven't seen six carries for Lamar Jackson and he looks great with it.
53:06And Ray, just to go back to you, I don't think there's anything less to say about this Cowboys offense.
53:12It's good. It's fun. And yet here we are.
53:14It's a loss and they're one and two despite scoring 31 points.
53:18I've gotten, I have, yes, I have nothing to say.
53:21I got one thing for Josh. How about this?
53:24The decision after the game was tied up, there's seven seconds left and the Cowboys kicked the ball for a touchback instead of dribbling the ball out.
53:32And that one second was the difference there. I thought that was a really, really brutal decision by the Dallas Cowboys.
53:38Obviously, like the execution by Baltimore, that was awesome that they were able to complete the pass, get the timeout in and
53:45then kick the field goal on this turf. But that is just like shooting yourself in the foot there for the Cowboys.
53:51And they're typically a very well coached team. But that was that was a pretty brutal mistake.
53:56Yep. Yep. Fair. Okay. Next up, the Minnesota Vikings, another three and O squad as they topple the O and three Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
54:0423 to 16. I'm going to say it, guys.
54:06This was some vile and I mean vile football.
54:09There was a stretch in the second and third quarter.
54:12And I don't mean to be repetitive here, but it went punt, punt, punt, field goal, touchdown, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
54:19interception, field goal, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt.
54:21And those are all like three and outs. Those are all three and outs.
54:26It was a Spider-Man meme between Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray pointing at each other because both of them were dropping their
54:32eyes, doing the hokey pokey in the backfield and ending up under pressure and in sacks.
54:37Baker didn't even make it out of this game because on the final pass that he had an interception, it looks like
54:44he dislocated a finger on his right hand, his throwing hand.
54:47And Jalen Daniels finished this game. The undrafted rookie who earned a spot in the NFL and maybe is one of the
54:54better stories we can look out for moving forward.
54:56But yeah, I mean, there's not much to start off with other than Brian Flores's unit is one of the best in
55:03the NFL and it's something that we have to acknowledge on a weekly basis in fantasy football.
55:08The way that his Vikings defense puts the opposition into a blender and into confusion, again, is something that we have to
55:15and will impact fantasy points moving forward. Baker was 17 of 34 to 17 and took six sacks in this game.
55:21The pressure looks confused tight ends. The pressure looks forced running backs to stay in the backfield and just over and over and over again.
55:28And sure, Baker is probably the worst quarterback you won that situation because I mean, some dropbacks are 12, 14 seconds and
55:35they still end in a sack or quarterback hit or a one yard gain or a throw away and those types of things.
55:42But this impacted everyone. I will add, I don't think Emeka Guka looks awesome right now.
55:47I don't really see juice or explosiveness. It's kind of one note and he even took a huge shot from Josh Metellus.
55:53One of those where he catches it, takes a big shot to his neck and head area and loses control for a moment.
56:00So that is something I want to track moving forward because he did go to the sideline for a minute there.
56:07And then the opposite end for the Vikings. It really was just two plays for the entire day.
56:12It was two catches for Jordan Addison, a 30 yarder toe tapper along the sideline.
56:16And then that same drive, it ends with a 41 yard touchdown to him in a one on one situation.
56:22And maybe most notably to Justin Jefferson exits with an ankle injury early in this game for multiple series.
56:28We didn't know where he was. And then he's seen walking to the locker room and never returned.
56:34So there's a whole bunch injuries on both sides of questions and conclusions and news reports to follow throughout the week here, Hayden.
56:40Is it still too early to tell on the Justin Jefferson news?
56:44And is there anybody we can trust beyond Jordan Addison if Justin Jefferson is out?
56:49Absolutely not. I mean, they threw two passes to Juwan Jennings.
56:52He caught one for one yard. Looks like molasses out there.
56:55And then Ty Felton, two targets for zero yards.
56:58So the answer is no. Other than that, it was just dump offs to Aaron Jones.
57:03I mean, again, it's not like Kyler Murray was any better than Baker Mayfield.
57:07I mean, OK, maybe it take better because he didn't just go into complete negative situations.
57:12But he was only 15 to 29, 168 yards, one touchdown, one interception.
57:16And then his interception was a batted pass at the line of scrimmage.
57:20It bounces off an offensive lineman. And A'shaun Robinson grabs it off the turf before it hits the ground and sets them
57:26up at the 21 yard line for, again, a very important opportunity.
57:30And then, yes, Aaron Jones dominates the carries, but only gets 3.4 yards per carry against his Buccaneers defensive line and namely Vita Veya.
57:37So there's really no nothing to take away from this.
57:40And I still can't tell you exactly what the Kyler Murray led Minnesota Vikings passing offense is, Ray.
57:45And we're now entering week four of the NFL season.
57:48Yeah, I really don't know what to make of this.
57:51I watched this one a little bit just in passing.
57:54It was up on the TV. And I think the first play that I saw was when Baker Mayfield turned around and
58:01ran into Kenneth Gainwell trying to hand the ball off.
58:04I saw that a couple of times on Sunday where running backs and quarterbacks are running into each other.
58:10That's what my six-year-old son's team did today, not what a newly paid $50 million quarterback and the running backs in the NFL should do.
58:17Listen, I told people on the Starts It show, I don't want any Aaron Jones.
58:22I just, Kevin O'Connell was supposed to be one of these, the brightest minds, the offensive gurus.
58:27We saw him do it with Darnold and I'm just looking like, man, if Jefferson is out with Hayden, like is there,
58:33I mean, do you want to play Addison? You're going to play Bucca week in and week out.
58:39Maybe he's still got some lingering effects from his, I believe, ankle injury over training camp.
58:44This Baker Mayfield hurt again on a final play.
58:46This happened against the Rams a few years. I just, this just, you punt, punt, punt, punt, whatever you said.
58:52This just, Godwin is unplayable. Like, is there any, what is the, leaving this game, who do you, the game, who do
58:59you feel confident in playing next week? I will say Chris Godwin had an 85 yard touchdown taken away, rightfully so, because
59:06the right tackle in Luke Kadecki held again, Dallas Turner, who had a one-on-one hit on Baker Mayfield, but he was behind
59:12him and pulled them off of him basically. And so Baker then scrambled another six seconds and found Chris Godwin down the field.
59:19And then I do want to shout out Ted Hurst, who yes, on the first drive only has one catch for 40
59:26yards, but it's down the seam for an awesome gain.
59:29And Ted Hurst nearly had a great stat line.
59:31And maybe that's going to be the tale of his rookie season, that it was all nearly type stuff, but he was playing a lot of snaps.
59:40That's for sure. And Jalen Millen left this game again with, with an injury.
59:44That comment that production pulled up on Kevin Seifert, I think is really telling here, Hayden, where the Vikings are three and
59:50O, but they've been out gained by 244 yards.
59:53So yes, that's the second worst differential in total yards by any three and O team in NFL history after the 2020 Seahawks.
60:00I mean, that 2020 Seahawks team, pretty good defense.
60:03This Vikings team, pretty good defense. And Hayden, in today's age, if you have a defense that plays to this degree and
60:09forces this many sacks and turnovers, it keeps you in games as the offense can figure things out as the season goes along, hopefully.
60:17Yeah. Dallas Turner is turning just into a really impact player, seven pressures in this one.
60:21And he gets a lot of like one-on-ones against, you know, like players that should not be blocking him because of the
60:28scheme, but he's making the most out of it.
60:31And then I'm just still trying to get a feel for what this Kevin O'Connell offense is going to be.
60:37They've been really run heavy in the first two games.
60:40I was like, is that a Carson Wentz thing?
60:42And then they had 21 series in this game and they started with a rush on 12 of 21, which is an
60:49above average clip again in this one. And that's against Tampa Bay, which typically is a pass funnel.
60:54So throughout our entire time with Kevin O'Connell calling plays, it's been one of the most pass heavy offenses.
61:00And then all of a sudden this year, it's one of the most run heavy offenses.
61:05Are the runs working? They're, they're really not working that well.
61:08It's like, that's like something I just want to monitor as, you know, hopefully Justin Jefferson's not out for very long.
61:15Yeah. For the DeMond Claiborne people, three carries for one total yard for him in this game.
61:20And again, there are some units that were supposed to carry certain teams, right?
61:24The Vikings and their defense here, the Bucks and Vita Vea stopping the run.
61:28Unfortunately, their pass rush that they invested so much in Ruben Bain, I believe missed this game.
61:33Yaya Diaby left early on and was kind of in and out and failed to make an impact.
61:39And then the Bucks offensive line, like, look, this is tough, but, and it's tough blocking for Baker Mayfield, who is a magnet to contact too often.
61:47But I would say the Bucks offensive line has been a bit of a letdown so far this year versus heading into the season.
61:54Some expectation that might be a top three unit across the league.
61:57Go ahead. Next week, Bucks versus Packers. Do we have a head coach fire off Josh?
62:02Oh no. Oh no. Here's the thing. If you're fired Todd Bowles now after letting Liam Cohen get out of the building
62:09or even Dave Canals getting out of the building, I think fans might revolt from that.
62:14But maybe, maybe that Packers defense will make Jalen Daniels look like the new young mobile athletic quarterback across the league.
62:20And we have some fireworks, some fireworks there. Okay.
62:23I mean, Ray, I'm going to say week three is a bit of a downer and nobody is more down bad than Drake May right now.
62:3114 of 25, 199 yards, two interceptions, a fumble.
62:33His Patriots get demolished by the Jacksonville Jaguars. 35 to six.
62:37T-Law, another three passing touchdowns. Basial Tootin, a gifted one yard rushing score.
62:40And then Parker Washington, three for 40 and a touchdown.
62:43I know we can talk about the Jags here, Ray, but what the heck is going on with Drake May?
62:49Yeah, I tweeted this out. I tweeted out. I said, the Patriots look like a team without an offensive identity that clearly overperformed last season.
62:57This isn't something that will just in quotes get better.
63:00If AJ Brown's absence is enough to make this offense look this pedestrian, everyone should be extremely concerned, lifeless, directionless, big problems.
63:07Big, big problems for this New England offense. And you've got to go deeper than just the box score here.
63:13Let me just read this for you for old Drake May, who actually had two fumbles.
63:17One was lost. They just recovered another one. New England generated negative 0.4 EPA per pass play.
63:23Although Drake May's average depth of target was still 11 and a half yards down the field.
63:28Average time to throw was 3.26 seconds. Jacksonville pressured on 54% of dropbacks.
63:32And they did that while only blitzing 13 and a half percent of the time.
63:36Drake May, listen, this is bad. When their most consistent offensive weapon is Mack Hollins, who should have had a touchdown right
63:43over Travis Hunter in the end zone, just hit off the top of his hands.
63:47He led them in receiving. He looked like their most explosive weapon.
63:51Drake May looks confused. The offensive line is terrible right now.
63:54They cannot run the ball. I don't know what they're doing in the backfield with Travion Henderson and Ramondre Stevenson.
64:00There's nothing explosive about this offense. And yet, when you look at the total yards, New England outgained Jacksonville technically by two yards in this game.
64:08And it was not close. This, we can talk about Jacksonville and there are some numbers there that are a little concerning.
64:15And not because Parker Washington didn't score, but this New England offense, if it was predicated on A.J.
64:20Brown being there and that's why this looks so bad.
64:23I mean, Drake May, I'm looking at their next four.
64:26Their next four, Buffalo, Las Vegas, New York, and then potentially a Caleb Williams back Chicago Bears team.
64:31I don't know if they win any of those games.
64:34Offensively, lifeless, directionless, pedestrian. This does not feel like something that's just going to get better.
64:39If you include the postseason through week three, the Patriots are now fourth worst in EPA per play.
64:45They're having the most sack, the highest sack rate as well.
64:48They're not generating nearly as many explosives. And like, that's your schedule tweets.
64:52You know, like Jacksonville's defense, Seattle's defense from this season.
64:55Obviously, all the postseason matchups like that's the schedule tweets.
64:58Their offensive line isn't isn't very good. Drake May is forcing passes that he has no business forcing.
65:03He's making very dumb decisions out there. And then in isolation, like they just don't have a go to pass catcher right now.
65:10And then they're running backs are very hit and miss on on what you're getting out of Travion.
65:16So that'd be like the part I would be curious about.
65:19I was like, out of all of the like secondary pieces, like is there anybody that we can rely on?
65:25Or is this like quickly becoming a team where like I might say like you should be starting nobody from this entire offense in fantasy?
65:32Yeah. I mean, just to press back on that.
65:35Couldn't you argue last year that there was no go to player either?
65:39You know, but they ran hot in terms of 10, 20 plus yards down the field.
65:44The tight window stuff was unbelievable. And is it just as simple as I mean?
65:48Drake May played really well against average and bad defenses, and now they're facing good to quality opponents.
65:54Then they literally have nothing. They have no alternative.
65:56And if Drake May isn't again running hot with the tight window stuff and then comparatively completely regressing in terms of holding
66:03on to the football or throwing dumb interceptions in the red zone, then they literally have no chance.
66:08Like he, I guess, carried them last year despite the supporting cast.
66:12And then this year without A.J. Brown, Ray, they have no supporting cast.
66:16And he's also letting them down with some of his mental errors.
66:20Well, you use the word carry. I think that's what they have to do.
66:24He did have a, I think it was close to like a 15 yard rushing touchdown called back.
66:29It was a holding call. So they had to come back.
66:32The only thing I can think of is he needs to run more, but he looks very skittish in the pocket.
66:39And when you think about the weapons in the offensive line, they ran out 11 personnel 71.7% of the time for an consumer sports.
66:46So you're putting your quarterback in a position to just invite pressure.
66:50Jacksonville was getting home and they did not blitz.
66:5213% of the time they blitzed and they're just, they're making life uncomfortable for May.
66:57I don't know what's going on with McDaniels and this offense.
67:00And you see right here on the screen, they're pushing, they're trying to throw the ball down on field, but there's nowhere to go.
67:07There's nobody to throw the ball to down the field outside of, and we're laughing, Mac Hollins.
67:12I'm looking around like that's, you just got to throw it to Mac Hollins.
67:17Just try to get it to 13. That's the best thing that they can do.
67:21Ramondre and Trevion, this nasty split between these two.
67:24There was a point in time where I had to look at my, is Trevion hurt?
67:29It was just Ramondre up the gut for a yard, Ramondre up the gut for two yards.
67:34I really don't think there is anybody you can start inside of this offense right now.
67:39A long carry of five yards a piece between the two of Hindo and Ramondre.
67:43Hey, I know we can say this and I just want to repeat it because we already have.
67:48You have to completely disassociate Drake May of where you drafted him in fantasy this year as quarterback three, right?
67:54Like almost any other quarterback is a better alternative at this point.
67:58Yeah. And there's like too many Tyler Shucks in like that whole tier.
68:02Like you just have to play those guys ahead of them.
68:05But even like the next tier, like the Geno Smith tier is better than what Drake May is putting out there over the first three weeks.
68:13It is that bad at this point. But Ray, just quickly on Jacksonville, talk me through Basial Tootin's touchdown because it was a gift from his quarterback.
68:21Was it not? Yeah, it came much later down there.
68:24Trevor Lawrence, I think the fantasy people are upset about that going down and giving Tootin one like Trevor Lawrence could have scored there.
68:31But Tootin looked good in this game. And I know we keep talking about him maybe not being this super high volume
68:38running back, but I'm just watching him play. He ran the ball really well in this game.
68:43And I would love to see them increase his usage a little bit more down the stretch as we progress towards the middle of the season.
68:51This Jacksonville team is a weird one because maybe they knew that New England just couldn't threaten him offensively.
68:57But just when you look around at all the pieces and what Jacksonville was doing, let me just give you some personnel percentage usage.
69:0453% 11, 30% of the time they ran 12, and then 13%, 13 personnel.
69:08And all the receivers were cycling in. Right? Yep.
69:11I want to make sure I frame this carefully.
69:13Parker Washington is their best wide receiver in my opinion.
69:16Okay? He's their best guy. But that does not mean he's going to be peppered with 15-plus targets every single week.
69:23Like, it's Liam Cohen's just kind of spreading it around.
69:26It's Jacoby Myers here. It's not Brian Thomas, but he's just a gnat.
69:30He's just, he's out there and he gets a couple of targets here.
69:34Britton Strange gets a little bit of usage there.
69:36Parker Washington had a touchdown callback. They went right back to him and he scored again.
69:41You would like to see him sort of just each week, you could just depend on eight, nine, ten targets.
69:47And it just, it feels like Liam Cohen is just, Trevor Lawrence is going to spread it to whomever's open.
69:53Washington looks awesome. This Jacksonville team just, I don't know if they've really been in a position to where they have to
70:00just gun it all over the place and hyper-focus on somebody.
70:03I thought the best offensive player for Jacksonville, despite the gift of the touchdown, Tootin looked really well.
70:08When you watch this one back, you'll come away saying, hey, this is somebody that I'll bet they get him more involved as we move down the season.
70:17Yeah, Basal Tootin drafters got what they want, which is the socialism, that little free touchdown at the end there, just cherry on top.
70:24I like that Trevor Lawrence at least admitted what his incentive was over there.
70:28I think that Parker Washington is just going to have better days.
70:32He's playing almost a full-time role. I just looked at it again.
70:36Again, Brian Thomas is playing half as many snaps as Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers.
70:40It is a complete, total, total difference in Parker Washington versus Brian Thomas.
70:44We've known this for the last couple of weeks, but once again, it happened.
70:48Yeah, I put Brian Thomas Jr. on the drop list on last week's waiver show.
70:53By the way, subscribe so you get this week's waiver show after Monday Night Football.
70:57And nothing is from what's happening from a target standpoint, even a route standpoint, has made me think otherwise.
71:03And once again, we have Josh Cameron popping in for a red zone 12-yard touchdown.
71:07So it's too tight end stuff. And then they're also getting Josh Cameron involved in some situations.
71:12Ray, I also want to add that Travis Hunter got an interception in this game.
71:17He did. He did. And it was, you can tell he was happy.
71:21Like, he did dance in the end zone. It was good to see the defensive side show up.
71:26He got in on offense and nothing his way offensively.
71:29I just quickly want to check where, Hayden, if you can help me with the defensive snaps for Travis Hunter.
71:3545 of 63 for Travis Hunter. 45 of 63.
71:38There we go. That's a little bit better than last week.
71:41That's a little bit better. Okay. I just want to be fair, you know, when criticizing the usage last week, then bringing
71:48it up and bringing it up as a talking point here.
71:51Okay. Let's stick in that division and talk about the Houston Texans and the Indianapolis Colts.
71:56In the end, Colts win 19-17. Hayden, I know I tweeted this out like halfway through the third quarter or something that this Texans offense looked miserable.
72:04It was three yards a carry for DeMont. There's a lot of open space over the middle on the Indianapolis side.
72:10But for the Texans offense, just brutal performance from the interior.
72:14Once again, there's like plays like Wyatt Teller's like in beat right away.
72:18David Montgomery, 18% rushing success rate in this one.
72:20And it's the same rotation. Like David Montgomery gets a full drive and Woody Marks gets a full drive.
72:26What does that mean? Woody Marks gets a goal line touchdown at the very end of the game.
72:31There's also a play action touchdown to Foster Moreau, not Dalton Schultz.
72:35Foster Moreau gets the touchdown. And on that play, Woody Marks is at the goal line too.
72:40So if you thought this is going to be David Montgomery getting all the goal line work, absolutely not.
72:46Whoever's on the football field, the last play will be on the football field at the goal line.
72:51That's what the Texans are doing. And it doesn't matter which running backs out there.
72:56Neither of them are going to pick up any yards behind this offensive line.
73:00So like that's like the first part of it.
73:03I think the second part of it, this is by far the slowest offense in the NFL.
73:08If you did a four by 100 race from any of the quarterback, the running back rooms, throw the wide receivers in
73:14there, get the tight ends going dead last in the NFL.
73:18And I looked this up. I was like, all right, how can I quantify this?
73:22And I looked at contested catches to wide receivers.
73:25The Texans have 24 this season. The next closest offense has 16.
73:29That is that is a gap that should not exist.
73:32And you feel that for CJ Stroud in this one.
73:35He took a couple sacks, but it wasn't even necessarily that.
73:38There's just no yards after the catch from the wide receivers.
73:41There's nobody open. And that was with the Indianapolis defense.
73:44One that was getting completely shredded in every capacity going into this game.
73:48So like this is an Owen three team because the offense is that bad.
73:52Whatever Nico Collins is making, you should pretty much triple it because without him, like this team is completely unwatchable.
73:58And that's even before I get to D'Amico Ryan's, which I want to take some shots at.
74:03Yeah. Hey, I honestly just looking at the box score here, I did not watch much of this game.
74:09I had eyes on it because my bold prediction was Josh Downs to get 100 yards and a touchdown.
74:15And when I saw an Indianapolis receiver getting the end zone, I was like, there we go, Josh.
74:20And it's like, no, that's Keenan Allen right there.
74:23Honestly, they say Nico may be back next week against the Dallas Cowboys.
74:27Where was Dalton Schultz at? Why is Xavier Hutchinson at the top of the box score?
74:32And was David Montgomery's 20 carries, three touchdown week one?
74:35Was that just dead zone? Was that just what that fool's go there?
74:39Like, is that, you know? Did we all not after that game watch it and be like, that wasn't anything special?
74:45Like there was a play right up the middle for David Montgomery that went completely untouched, but every other carry went for nothing.
74:52And like, that was just kind of the exception.
74:55He was not like the leading player in terms of snaps and any of the games, but before this one, same thing
75:01here, it's going to be a 50, 50 backfield and like truly like 50, 50 in every single capacity.
75:07And for my money, I think Woody Marks is better than David Montgomery.
75:11Just watching these two in terms of the pass catchers, like Xavier Hutchinson, Kay Sean, Dalton Schultz, like these guys are going
75:17to like, just like switch back and forth as Nico Collins comes back.
75:21Apparently Nico Collins is quote progressing well from the D'Amico Ryan's part of it, but just no one's fast enough to get open here.
75:28And obviously when Dalton Schultz goes crazy the week prior, they probably have a little bit better of a game plan, but definitely a disappointing game.
75:36Only getting three targets out of Dalton, Dalton Schultz didn't want to quickly hit on D'Amico Ryan's couple of things that happened.
75:43Here with, with D'Amico. I think D'Amico Ryan's is trending towards being one of the most overrated coaches in the NFL.
75:49You watch this Texans defense pass rush and those guys just get home immediately.
75:53And like, obviously he knows what he's doing on defense here, but there are just too many huge mistakes on offense, either
76:00hiring the wrong offensive coordinators, not having a plan to fix the offensive line.
76:04And then the in-game decisions, uh, there was a field goal attempt.
76:08They were down 16 to seven at the fourth, uh, it was a fourth and four at their own six yard line in the fourth quarter.
76:16They're down 16 to seven and they kick a field goal.
76:19And that one, then later in the game, the Colts are marching.
76:23The Texans have a lead now 17 to 16.
76:25The Colts are marching. They just need to get a kick, a field goal to win this game.
76:31There's a run play. Jonathan Taylor runs the ball.
76:33The clock is ticking. And instead of taking a timeout right away to save the Texans time, because now they're in field
76:40goal range to have a chance to win the game.
76:43The clock is ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking. And then with like a three seconds left on the play clock, that's when D'Amico Ryan's calls the timeout.
76:51So not only did you waste like the 30 seconds, but you also waste the timeout that you needed for the, for the offense.
76:58The Colts kick a field goal. The Texans have a chance, uh, barely any time left.
77:03They throw a hail Mary ball goes out of bound game over.
77:07But that's just like throwing away way too much in game win probability with both the field goal attempt near the goal line.
77:14And then the decision of to not take the timeout earlier in the play.
77:18They're like too many of these things are stacking up for D'Amico Ryan's.
77:22And I think that to the big picture part is like, we knew the offensive line was going to be such a
77:28disaster and they just don't do enough to fix it.
77:31And we felt that the entire game here. Texans and two of their next three games have the Cowboys and the Jaguars.
77:38So we'll see what they look like after six games this season.
77:42I quickly do want to ask you Hayden, cause this seems a very uncult like performance.
77:46Obviously they win at home, but they throw for 235 yards and only get 89 rushing yards out of the entire thing.
77:53So this entire game plan, it was just put on the shoulders of Daniel Jones.
77:58And so that ends with five for 77 for Josh Downs, almost a mirror of what he did last week.
78:04Keenan Allen six for 63 and a touchdown. And then Tyler Warren nine for 55.
78:08I mean, Willie Anderson and Daniil Hunter just absolutely roasted the Colts offensive line.
78:12Daniel Jones had a fumble early. I will say this.
78:15Daniel Jones got out of the pocket on a fourth down in truck stick.
78:19I forget which defender it was. It might have been like Derek Sting or something like that.
78:25It was by far the most athletic play he's made on the season.
78:28That said, the Colts offense is the fear that we have.
78:32No completions beyond 20 air yards in this one.
78:34Oh, for three with an interception. The interception was like a third and six, just throwing the ball way up a prayer
78:41as Daniel Hunter's absolutely lighting up Daniel Jones. So I think a couple of things that stood out is like the offensive
78:48tackle play for Indianapolis is not as good in 2026 as it was in like 2023.
78:52So you felt that against like elite competition. You have nobody to win down the football field.
78:58And still, I think that Shane Steichen is awesome as a coach.
79:01Like they got Josh Downs going like early in this game.
79:05RPO slants, little out routes. He had like a 40% target share going into halftime.
79:09Tyler Warren had a truck stick early on. There was a cover two hole shot in this one.
79:14So more stuff a little bit further down the field for Tyler Warren and that Keenan Allen touchdown that ripped your heart out, Ray.
79:22That was a little mesh concept. And to the Texans defense point, they were trying to communicate that as Keenan Allen was working across the end zone there.
79:30And the last linebacker did not shuffle out in time for a touchdown to Keenan Allen.
79:35So I think that there's going to be a weak spot on the Texans defense.
79:39And you have to figure this out quickly because those passwords are going to come home.
79:44Throw the ball over the middle quickly. And this entire game, when you guys go back and watch it, very, very few plays to the perimeter.
79:52Everything was quick and over the middle. Obviously, that's what happens when you have Josh Downs, Tyler Warren, and Keenan Allen.
79:58But it's like something to keep in the back of your mind as you watch the Texans defense too.
80:04Hey, this is a fear of mine. Okay, with Alec Pierce going out, was Keenan Allen getting involved more than I would like?
80:11I'm looking at the box score. Only three wide receivers, designated wide receivers, touched the ball for Indianapolis.
80:16It was Downs, it was Keenan Allen, and it looks like Laquan Treadwell had one.
80:21I like the targets with Josh Downs having the 11 and Tyler Warren having the 10.
80:26But Keenan Allen right there with nine targets got the red zone look.
80:30Like, I'm just, I don't know if you were paying attention or you have all the numbers for the deployment who was on the field in certain situations.
80:38But is Keenan Allen going to be a big thorn in the side of Josh Downs?
80:43Do you think with Alec Pierce being out? I think to some degree.
80:47Obviously, everyone operates in the same parts of the football field here.
80:50I think that's going to be the frustration. And Keenan Allen is so much bigger than Josh Downs.
80:56Like, maybe in the red zone, they might look towards Keenan Allen.
80:59But Keenan Allen is still a limited player. In this game, he had some very clutch moments here.
81:05But there was not like, wow, that's vintage Keenan Allen, who I think is now 12th in receiving touchdowns all time.
81:11I think that's what they said on the broadcast there.
81:14So the good news is Laquan Treadle was a full-time player and he gets one target in this one.
81:20So like, that is like your wind sprint role.
81:22And that's nice to have. And then everything else is going to be underneath.
81:27So I thought Daniel Jones played like pretty well.
81:29All things considered here. A couple bad plays. But man, like the Daniel Hunter and especially Will Anderson, it's like hard to
81:36overstate exactly what they did in this one. Because without like Willie Anderson, like the Texans would have lost by like third.
81:43All right, Ray, the Cleveland Browns are two and one as they beat the Carolina Panthers in their home debut, 21 to 18.
81:49And Todd Monken said his team is just scratching the surface.
81:53Now, I would hope so on some level because this Browns offense, I mean, Deshaun Watson turns it up in the fourth
81:59quarter with a touchdown drive to win the game.
82:02But really just 144 yards and two scores. Quincy on Judkins, 18 carries 70 yards.
82:07Harold Fannin makes good with two goal line touchdowns.
82:09But other than that, it's like Denzel Boston, two for 41.
82:13Casey Concepcion, nine targets, two receptions, nine yards. And Ray, I know you saw those targets.
82:17They were wayward. He had to be eight feet tall to get a hand on some of those.
82:23That's for sure. Every week, Deshaun Watson almost has like three interceptions in a game.
82:27He didn't play well in this game, but he ran well.
82:31And if he's going to scramble around and pick up a whole bunch of yards with his legs, I'm watching this one.
82:37And the biggest thing that I took away is both quarterbacks, Watson nor Bryce Young, played particularly well.
82:43But in the fourth quarter, they showed flashes and shades of like the college versions of themselves in the fourth quarter, taking their team down the field.
82:51The drive by Deshaun Watson to win it was beautiful.
82:54Like that was a great final drive to get the ball down the field.
82:58He used his legs. He hit receivers. The Browns did what they needed to do in their home opener.
83:04Watson was not great in this one. I just don't want people to...
83:08The two touchdowns, the 45 yards, Harold Fannin, that's great.
83:11But Watson, again, throwing the football did not look great.
83:14I thought he looked best when he was running around.
83:17Josh, I know you watch a lot of Panthers.
83:19Bryce Young in the pocket at times is very magical.
83:22The way that he can escape pressure and step up in the pocket.
83:26And sometimes it gets him in trouble. I mean, he had Tommy Trimble wide open for a touchdown, decides to kind of roll around and get sacked.
83:34And that just, this was a rough game until like the last few minutes of the game.
83:39They ran the ball with Chuba Hubbard 10 times for 18 yards in the first half.
83:44They just kept slamming it to Chuba. One of the linemen, Hunt, got injured early.
83:49I think he came back in. Jalen Coker got hurt in this game.
83:53And that's what's concerning. You tell me Bryce Young throws the ball 50 times and McMillan only gets five targets?
83:59Like maybe it was just an off day. Maybe it was the first time Carolina faced a defense that was hot for them.
84:06But they're just, you'll watch this one back. And they're just some maddening, head-scratching calls in this game.
84:11The best part of it from the Cleveland side, Judkins kept getting fed and he had a couple of big runs.
84:17But he didn't look special in this one either.
84:20Harold Fannin Jr. looked like, okay, just get the ball to him.
84:24And Deshaun Watson running around was like the big takeaway here for the Cleveland side.
84:28So a couple things. The first one, I think either on the show with Boone on Thursday or Hayden with you in
84:35the wide receiver rankings, I said if Deshaun Watson doesn't turn the football over, the Browns win this game.
84:40And he did not turn the football over. But boy, did he try.
84:44He tried. The Panthers dropped a pick six on like the first drive and then another overthrown pass to Casey Concepcion that
84:51fell right in the lap and they dropped it.
84:54They also, he avoided three sacks. You could also say the Panthers should have taken him down for three sacks.
85:00And then in the end, there was a fourth quarter on the game winning drive interception in the end zone that kind
85:06of would have sealed the game for the Panthers if they had gotten one more first down.
85:11And they called it roughing the passer penalty, which I can totally see.
85:15There was kind of like he lunged forward on the throw and defensive line went and hit him in the head and all this type of stuff.
85:23So it's not an awful call at all. On the Panthers end, the Jalen Coker thing is a big deal because he
85:30comes in with an ankle, leaves with a quad.
85:33And I don't know if it's, you know, over estimating and overcompensating and all that type of stuff.
85:38But the quad injury, I believe, and I can't tell you which leg it was, kept him out of the start of last season.
85:45And that was a long injury. And without Jalen Coker on this team, all the Browns did was play man coverage against
85:52TMAC on Denzel Ward on the outside and ISO.
85:55And then no one else can win in isolation at all.
85:58No one else can get open. And so you just play man coverage and you pass rush and you blitz.
86:04I think Bryce Young was pressured on 30 of his 48 passing attempts here today.
86:08That's rough stuff. That's 61% of the time. So, yeah, that leaves you with two receptions for 17 yards at Hayden.
86:15And you're going to go back on Monday and watch this and see if he was creating separation at all.
86:21Well, my question is, who survived this Panthers? You mentioned both corners might be out.
86:25Linemen are out. Coker's out. I know Bryce Young was limping around a little bit.
86:30What is the actual status of the important players?
86:33Who is healthy on the Panthers? Yeah. Yeah, it's rough because, again, they are 1-2 and face the Lions on Sunday Night Football.
86:39Mike Jackson left very early on with a groin injury.
86:42JC Horn left with also a quad injury himself.
86:45Jalen Coker, early on in the first quarter, quad injury.
86:48Basically seen in tears on the sideline. Bryce, I think, gets stepped on by his offensive linemen.
86:53And he has an ankle issue throughout the entire game and missed some, I would say, inexcusable passes, but unlike him this season so far.
87:01And Damian Lewis was kind of in and out.
87:03And then Mitchell Evans left on top of it, too.
87:06So, I don't know. This, again, TMAC, you could say, okay, it was Denzel Ward.
87:11At the same time, again, I rewatched it from the eye in the sky.
87:15But you would like to think that someone like that can create more separation.
87:19And I just don't think he could, just from watching it.
87:23If he was getting open, I think what Bryce Young is playing right now, he would be able to get him the football.
87:30And he could not do it. He did not.
87:32The only one, he did not. And there was a play on the end zone, and it was not Denzel Ward.
87:39It was number 28. It was a backup cornerback.
87:41Draped all over TMAC on an end zone target.
87:44I know they said they put on weight in the offseason.
87:47I'll also just say his body language does not look great out there.
87:51It is not Marvin Harrison Jr. levels of body language.
87:54But it does not look like a second-year player coming off a 1,000-yard season.
87:58And the answer to the separation question was no.
88:01He was not creating much separation at all in this game.
88:04Yeah. And again, I'll just close with, like, the Panthers are pretty solvable if they don't have Jalen Coker.
88:10You know? It's, you play isolated coverage with their best corner against TMAC, and then you just pressure.
88:16And you blitz. And you kind of suffocate this offensive line that is allowing way too many hits over the first few weeks of the season.
88:23Josh, it's the announcers were saying in the game, in assault, they said they need to get Jalen Coker the ball because he's their best receiver.
88:31That's what the announcers were saying in the game.
88:34They were like, he's their best receiver. They need to get him the ball at some point.
88:39And I'm just like, wow. Yeah, there was a play that Bryce hit on the first two weeks that he did not
88:46hit this one where Coker, like, had a step for maybe even a long touchdown, and he overthrew it by one or
88:52two, and this was after he got stepped on.
88:55So that's, again, a pass that he hit in the first two weeks.
88:59And again, Xavier Ligot also missed this game too.
89:02So yeah, just rough stuff all around. And like you said, while Chuba Hubbard's stat line looks fine from a yards per
89:08carry standpoint at the end of the game, the first half it was non-existent.
89:12They couldn't move the ball at all. It was 10 carries for 18 yards.
89:17So yeah, that's it. Okay. Hayden, we have to talk about a running back.
89:21And unfortunately, it is bad news here with the Chiefs and the Dolphins.
89:25And I think we can all assume how, you know, this one ended in a huge blowout victory for the Kansas City Chiefs 24-10.
89:32But Devon A. Chan leaves quite early in this game as they put an awkward tackle, knee injury.
89:37Hayden, what's the latest news? What's the diagnosis? What should we expect from the backfield mates that stepped up in his absence?
89:44After the game, they said, quote, does not sound very optimistic.
89:47The fear could be an ACL or meniscus type of injury there.
89:51It was a shame because like immediately slot work, he gets a pitch in this one, a little check down in the
89:57flat and then in the open field, just kind of a really awkward play.
90:02He might've even done it the step before the face mask there, but just does not look good for Devon A.
90:08Chan. They did not have a third running back in this game.
90:12It was Ollie Gordon. Jalen Wright was limited, limited DNP with a foot injury before being inactive there.
90:17So it was Ollie Gordon. They were asked about why they don't have a third running back.
90:22And the reason is because they really like Malik Washington.
90:25They Malik Washington knows both positions and Malik Washington without Devon A.
90:29Chan, I think they're going to unfortunately be a pretty important player.
90:32Like probably enough. So to be at least like waiver wire curious while Caleb Douglas is sidelined here.
90:38Didn't want to give some credit to the Dolphins.
90:40Like they're not a good football team. They don't have enough good players.
90:44They did compete in this one. The first drive of the game was a 17 play, 91 yard touchdown drive.
90:50The chief's offense was, was pretty dialed in here, but this was not like a complete blowout win here by the chiefs by any means.
90:58And some, some like kind of ancillary players like Chris bell.
91:01He had a dig route for a first down early.
91:04He nearly had a touchdown on a slot fade.
91:07His big explosive was another dig route yards after the catch.
91:10You can see that he has all the explosiveness.
91:13He's still a little bit tight coming off of that injury, but his like straight line explosiveness is pretty evident.
91:19And then he also had a man coverage win against Mansoor Delaney on a third and six, more of a slant route for him there.
91:26So I think it was like a pretty encouraging game for someone like Chris bell, but it's going to be like a lot of Malik Washington.
91:34He had a yard after catch touchdown called back on an illegal shift.
91:38So, you know, I don't trust the running back rotation because like, we don't know what this is going to look like
91:45when Jalen Wright comes back, which I'm assuming is going to be this next week.
91:49Can I just say though, like it's a pointless offense.
91:52Like I understand they're going to pop up for some yards here or there, but you know, they have 13, 13 and
91:5910 points for the first three weeks. And then they face the Vikings and the Bengals over the next two.
92:05Like I understand someone has to get target share and market share of carries and all that type of stuff, but we're
92:11kind of at a point for like drawing a line through the Miami Dolphins as being a fantasy role of an offense, right?
92:18Yeah. I mean, Devon HM was going to be so important, obviously to that team.
92:23And yeah, it's, I don't know how they're going to get real explosives here.
92:27Malik Willis is like taking some shots down the field, like to, you know, certain degree of success there.
92:33Um, I just think that like Malik Washington has 10 targets in this one, five to 56.
92:38Like I think that he is going to have like a PPR scam.
92:42Like, could he do like a Wandale Robinson type of thing this year?
92:46Like I would not be that surprised, uh, for, for Malik Washington, just hearing the coaching staff talk about him.
92:52Like he's, he's suddenly very important at work, which obviously if that's your offense, uh, like things aren't working well.
92:58Uh, so, uh, good fight for Miami, but they're closer to like the ACC than, you know, like the NFL.
93:04Well, let me ask you about the Kansas city chiefs, because I'm looking at the box score and the, the part of
93:10the game that I did see, Rasheed rice had, I guess he slipped and then slapped the ball up in the air that led to an interception.
93:18But then I'm, I'm looking at his stat line and this looks more reminiscent of what the Kansas city chiefs offense was last year.
93:26A lot of Rasheed rice and nobody else, nine targets seven for 88.
93:30I know Kelsey got in the end zone and he had that big long run, catch and run in the game.
93:36But how, how did, how did Rasheed look in this one?
93:39Maybe a couple more shots down the football field, like nothing like too deep, but it wasn't like super, super manufactured.
93:46Um, he, he still is like blocking for Xavier where there was a holding call on him there.
93:51Like the, the interception and maybe the ball, like on a different angle may was a little bit behind him, but ball
93:58bounced off his chest for an interception. They're really fluky play, but like good to see where she rice, like in a
94:04game where they have no secondary Miami's like their secondary is the worst in the NFL right now.
94:10Uh, he has to get home and he does with seven for 88, a 35% target share.
94:15And this one, Kenneth Walker, not nearly as dialed in, uh, as a receiver.
94:19Now that said, uh, a little play action underhand, uh, receiving touchdown at the goal line for Kenneth Walker, but a lot
94:25fewer, uh, you know, check downs, a lot fewer like swing routes, a lot fewer screens to Kenneth Walker.
94:31I think that really is like the Rasheed rice stuff.
94:34Like if that consistently goes to Kenneth Walker, like it did in the first couple of weeks, he's got no chance.
94:41If this is what it looks like, I think Rashi rice could be a fantasy wide receiver to three.
94:46I don't think that we're going to get like Rashi rice as the top five, top 10 overall wide receiver, but I
94:53think that he's going to, uh, hold the line.
94:56Yeah. I mean, I did want to ask you about rice because Hayden, in the first two weeks of the season, it
95:02was two catches, 19 yards and two catches, 83.
95:05So while there was a bunch of negativity for Rashi rice earlier this season, we do have back to back 80 yard
95:11performances with, you know, four and seven receptions. I'm not, I'm not saying that this is the wide receiver one ish numbers
95:18that we were getting early on, but in the grand scheme of wide receiver two, three stuff, this is not like a
95:25totally bottomed out fantasy pick as maybe it was made out to be after week one.
95:29And week two's 80 yards was very, you know, fluky.
95:32Like they had like 30 or 40 yards. Like at the end of the game, this was way more real Rashi rice
95:39stuff, like enough where he's certainly going to be a top 20 wide receiver in my rankings next week.
95:45I feel like the big picture thing, zooming back out is just, I mean, Patrick Mahomes did nothing wrong in this one.
95:5190th percentile completion percentage over expected 95th, percentile EPA per play.
95:55That includes the interception that I did not think was his fault on play action.
95:5911 for 11, seven of those were under center play action, not like the little RPO play action, like real play action
96:06stuff for 189 yards in this one. Travis Kelsey with a very interesting game, wide open chunk plan.
96:11The first play of the game, it was the exact same play that tells her that George Kittle had against the dolphins
96:18last week where he starts off going, right? Comes back left wide open, like literally the same exact play.
96:24Does nothing for the entire rest of the game until the last play of the game for them scores a touchdown on
96:30a third and six, which he was the first read target.
96:33So first play, last play, nothing in between. That's where Rashi rice was, was kind of more important.
96:39And then Kenneth Walker, like starts the game, 10 yard touchdown up the middle.
96:43Uh, I mentioned the, the, uh, receiving touchdown out the goal line there.
96:47Like he, even in a game where the chiefs had 49 plays, Kenneth Walker finishes with 20 opportunities, scores, two touchdowns.
96:53Uh, pretty good. Like, yeah, this is, this is going to be nobody other than B.
96:58John and Gibbs. I said it week one. Like those are, those are the only two running backs.
97:04I'll take over Walker. And then, Hey, I'm gonna put you on the spot because people watching the show.
97:09Thank you for watching. All right. We, we know you are there.
97:13They're feeling it right now. Okay. Devon H and down breeze hall down Travis, H and down.
97:18We lost both H and boys. If you had to pick one of Ollie Gordon, Braylon Allen or Alvin Camara, cause managers are pat.
97:25Listen, we're at that point now. They are like, I'm hurting.
97:28It's Braylon. It's Braylon Allen. Okay. There you go.
97:31Cause they're going to spend. People are going to, people are going to blow the budget.
97:36To get one of these running backs. I think that Braylon Allen is a pretty solid pickup.
97:41Like if I was given device on the waiver wire show, like I, I'm at you can do it instead of me tomorrow night.
97:48If you want to, I I'm doing plenty. I got plenty of shows to record myself here.
97:53That's all you guys, but Braylon Allen, like he's going to get all the goal line stuff.
97:59Cause Isaiah, Isaiah Davis isn't going to get any, any of that.
98:02And like the jets offense has been confident for the three games there.
98:06And I think that Braylon Allen, like, you know, among backup running backs is the best.
98:11No, Oh, is he the worst? No, I think like we know what we're signing up with, with, with all the Gordon
98:17stuff, like good game from him, like because he was able to absorb everything.
98:22I just don't know if that's going to carry over when Jalen Wright is actually active for the game.
98:27And like, that is just like a huge wrinkle that we just cannot account for, uh, with the new coaching staff, four
98:34more points in the dolphins, like that's all things by like, yeah, like double or triple it.
98:39Yeah. Yes. Um, just to quickly on this, since Emmitt Johnson was such a, um, active waiver wire pickup, he had six
98:46touches compared to the 20 for Ken Walker. So again, this, this is the gap is closing a little bit, but not really closing overall.
98:53It doesn't matter. Emmitt Johnson is a handcuff, uh, a running back insurance play at best.
98:58Okay. Unfortunately, since Matt Harmon is not here, we didn't get eyeballs on four other games.
99:03So I'll just call attention to some stuff in the box score and see if any of us got any eyeballs on it.
99:10The first one is there's in the Cardinals and the San Francisco 49ers, Arizona nearly comes up with this one, uh, only lose by six.
99:17I'll beat. It felt like that. The 49ers had nice command for most of the game.
99:22Brock Purdy unreal on just 15 completions throws for nearly 300 yards.
99:26And four touchdowns. Two of those to George Kittle.
99:28One, I guess it's the Debo Samuel on a hook and lateral to Mike Evans, who then pitches that and he runs at 80 yards.
99:36Uh, I'm going to assume that Debo Samuel Hayden set the NFL record for most receiving yards, actually having an actual reception with 80 in this game.
99:44I did see a tweet. I think it was like, since like 1960 something when they started tracking that that's exactly what happened.
99:51I will say this on Debo. That was probably the fastest he's ran.
99:55And quite a while. He, he, he, he hit the key at the corner.
99:59They're pretty decent. That I I'm assuming it was a safety coming around and he just outran them there.
100:05So I think that was really encouraging. Josh, I did watch a lot of this game.
100:10Brock Purdy is the MVP through three weeks, like paying the banner, you know, through three weeks, but Brock pretty, pretty much has not missed.
100:17And I think that the big thing that's standing out with him is the injuries around him.
100:22And we lost so many multiple soldiers here. Mike Evans leaves with a rib injury.
100:27Apparently it's like a oblique. Yeah. It's like oblique rib cartilage.
100:30Like that might be like a, you know, not something that you should like get an injection in play through.
100:36Like that could be something that lingers. Trent Williams had a stinger in this one.
100:40He did not play for a lot of the second half in this game.
100:45So like they were running out of guys to throw the ball to.
100:49And that's where George Kittle gets left open a couple of times in the end zone.
100:53Brock Purdy, it was also like running around like a madman.
100:57We didn't see, I think one of them got called back here, but you add another 34 yards.
101:02Like he is dialed in right now. So really impressive performance by Brock Purdy because this defense is so injured that, you
101:09know, a Cardinals team can put up 30 points.
101:11Yeah. Yeah. I was watching some of this too.
101:14Yeah. I was watching some of this one too.
101:17And just the play designs from, from Kyle Shanahan and just the efficiency is there.
101:21It does look like George Kittle's back. And there was a 50 yarder from Brock Purdy called back by an awful, awful
101:28holding call on George Kittle at the three yard line.
101:31They threw that flag. Absolutely ridiculous. So Purdy should add another rushing touchdown in this one.
101:36I'll just say this, the 49ers lost Nick Bosa and I believe two additional defensive tackles.
101:41I think it was prior to this game. And my, one of my bold calls was Jeremiah love is just going to get fed.
101:48Like he's going to have a good game. 21 for 90.
101:51Isn't, you know, it's, it's not world beating. It's not Gibbs.
101:54It's not Bijon, but I thought love ran well.
101:57Uh, the Niners kind of sold out to stop him, but I thought he looked really good.
102:02And we laughed about it last week. Get Tyler Algier off the field because he looked so slow.
102:08Only two carries for Tyler Algier in this one.
102:10Speak on it, Hayden. Yeah. And Algier, it wasn't an injury.
102:14He just got benched, you know, it's just as simple as that.
102:17And it was the right time, Josh, you nailed it with like the breeze hall stuff.
102:22Like the first two games with the floor, with breeze hall kind of gets eased in.
102:27And then at that point, just like it's complete go time as it should with Jeremiah.
102:32There was a couple of like spin moves from him.
102:35I still think that he looks awesome, but he's going to catch passes.
102:39He had five targets for five receptions in like cleanup mode here, and he's not going to come off the football field at all.
102:46Rightfully so. I think that if we were redrafting today, uh, I think there's a good argument that he would be a
102:52second round pick, especially like all the running backs that we just mentioned that got hurt this week.
102:58Like he's, he would be screaming up draft boards, like maybe even like being passed, uh, passing up like someone like chase Brown to, uh, Ashton Gentry.
103:06Like, would you rather have love or Ashton Gentry?
103:09Like, I think I would rather have Jeremiah love love at this point.
103:13Yeah. The Cardinals are, it's like, they're a functionally bad team.
103:16Like there's some competency here with Jacoby Brissette, um, in, in catch up mode.
103:20And, um, I'm here for the fancy points. Yeah.
103:23Their next two games, I think are actually kind of winnable.
103:26It's the giants and the lions. So, uh, maybe we'll get some frisky, this year from the Arizona Cardinals.
103:32Um, they're past catchers in this game. Michael Wilson, 17 targets, 11 receptions, 89 yards.
103:36So one guy and Michael Wilson gets 17 targets and one guy and Marvin Harrison Jr.
103:41gets five targets. So if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the totem pole here with, uh, Trey
103:48McBride sandwiched in between for, for nine, for 75.
103:50I, I'm wondering what the 49ers even do at wide receiver, like with every single name that they have missed to Marcus Robinson added on to that.
103:58It was like Jane Watkins popping up with two catches for 60.
104:02Is there anyone in the Rolodex that is like, are they even called Dante Pettis?
104:07Like, what are we doing here? You know, I mean, trade for that BTJ, Jerry Judy.
104:11I'm just saying they've had so many, you know, receivers cycled through there over the years that, uh, are we going to get like an AJ Jenkins call?
104:20Ray, that's a deep cut for you. AJ Jenkins.
104:23That is a deep cut. First round pick. First round pick.
104:26All right. In real life. Let's talk about, man, all these games I wish we got eyeballs on, but that's just going
104:32to make stats versus film even better this week.
104:35The Pittsburgh Steelers, 30 Cincinnati Bengals, 27. So I'm looking at it.
104:39Joe Burrow, three touchdowns, 282, zero interceptions, only one sack taken.
104:42That means your Marchase 98 and one T Higgins, 90 and one Mike Kosicki, 37 and one, but really nothing in the, the Russian department.
104:50And I think this comes down to like the fumble at the end of the game kind of seals it for a
104:56Pittsburgh Steelers offense that might not have been pretty for the entire time.
105:00Aaron Rogers yelling at his own teammates after they dropped some passes, but Jalen Warren pops up for seven and a half
105:07yards per pop at 17 carries, 127 yards. And then they spread it around almost evenly with yes, the big right tackle
105:13Darnell Washington, three receptions, 67 yards being this team's leading rusher.
105:17Who has a thought? Who has a question? Can I say Aaron Rogers was dialed in at the start of this game?
105:23I mean, okay. He looked to at the start of the game, right?
105:27I know the final stat line was good, but I mean, the, the, there was a Ben Skoranek.
105:33It looked like they were going to insert him to block.
105:36They bring him in motion. And then he seeps free for, for a touchdown.
105:40Roman Wilson looked like trusted by Aaron Rogers early in this game.
105:44I know DK Metcalf scored, but I, I, this was a shocker for me.
105:48I mean, Aaron Rogers looked good in this game, all things considered, and maybe just kind of leaning on Jalen Warren to,
105:54to run the ball and, and open things up.
105:57I, I don't know how confident I am in them week to week, but I'm, I'll just say I'm intrigued by Roman Wilson.
106:04I would like to look at his deployment and, and how they use them a little bit, because he's one of the few guys on that field.
106:12That's got some short area quickness and some juice.
106:15I think my takeaway from this one is, you know, the Bengals defense looked awesome against the Texans.
106:20I think that's going to happen for every team facing the Texans.
106:24And like, I think that the Dexter Lawrence stuff, like it's going to make an impact, but like, I mean, this, this
106:31defense is not going to be that good. Like they're just still figuring things out at too many positions in general.
106:37Like they don't like still look like consistently rush the passer in this one.
106:41Yeah. I want to go back and watch this one.
106:44The one play that I saw from this one is Jalen Warren had nobody in front of him for a touchdown.
106:50Jalen Warren had an awesome game and then just got completely sniped and like just her monster.
106:55He doesn't finish with a touchdown. Otherwise goes absolutely crazy.
106:58And this one, he does not come off the field pretty much.
107:02And this was like a 92% snap rate for Jalen Warren, Rico Dowd, it's a toe injury.
107:07So like, I think the Steelers offense showed enough here where Jalen Warren, like was ranked as a top 15 fancy running
107:14back and like absolutely should have been. Every run to the left.
107:17Look at that. Run, run, run, left, left, left.
107:20Yeah. The Bengals are kind of one play away from being three and oh, and instead they're two and one, they have the ball 53 seconds left.
107:28First and 10 at the plus 38. So in the Pittsburgh Steelers 38 yard line at worst, that should be a, send it into overtime.
107:36And unfortunately your boy, Derek Harmon sacks Joe Burrow and the game ends on a fumble.
107:41So, uh, that must feel wicked for the Bengals fans on top of it.
107:45Okay. Another game that there is no chance I would have predicted this game being close and especially a Washington commanders win
107:51at home 33 points compared to the Seattle Seahawks.
107:5431 points. Hey, Marcus Mariota three touchdown passes, 183 yards.
107:57I mean, I'm kind of looking at the stat sheet and I don't know how the commanders got 33 points and I
108:04don't know how they won this game with 183 yards passing and then 82 yards rushing on 32 carries.
108:09And yet here we see the end result being the defending Super Bowl champions.
108:14Well, Janarian price fumbling. Uh, that's one way to get good field position.
108:17That was, that was a bummer right away in this one, but quickly on the Marcus Mariota side of this, uh, I
108:24had a tweet December 2nd of last year and it said since 2024, Marcus Mariota is first in completion percent over expected
108:31seventh and success rate and 11th and EPA per drop back.
108:34And I'm gonna have to update those. Cause this is like another excellent game against the Seahawks without Sam Cosme, probably their best offensive, uh, lineman.
108:42That's still healthy. There's like a really impressive game from them.
108:45I'm gonna have to go back and watch this one.
108:48Like the fact that Terry McLaurin, uh, got home despite facing Devin Witherspoon and Josh Jobe with that state of the offensive lines, like super impressive stuff.
108:56And I, I think without question, Marcus Marriott is the best backup in the NFL and his passing numbers are almost identical
109:03on a per game basis to Jaden Daniels. Obviously Jaden Daniels is five times more explosive than Marcus Mariota, but purely just
109:09dropping back over like the last, uh, year or so.
109:12Marcus Mariota has like been holding the line. So really awesome performance for him.
109:17Uh, Ray, I brought this up after week one, um, for the rushing attacks against Durante Jones's defense, who is a disciple of Brian Flores.
109:24We know those Flores defenses are tough to run on.
109:27Seattle has ran it on a bunch of people and they only managed 44 rushing yards on 18 carries.
109:33Jaren Price five for 15. Emmanuel Wilson was even worse at nine carries for 14 yards.
109:38So maybe this is something we need to keep in mind with this commander's defense.
109:42I'll be at not as good as the Vikings, but they do so many similar things that maybe they are just as
109:49difficult or not just as, but fringing on close to being difficult to run on.
109:53What's so frustrating about this is Seattle is giving Jadarian Price every opportunity to be the guy, every opportunity.
109:59And that once he got fumbled, they said there was a tweet out there that he's just in a raincoat on the
110:06sideline for, for the rest of the, for, for them and the rest of the game until they got down late in the third quarter.
110:13Um, Sonny styles was awesome in this game. The rookie linebacker for the commanders running stride for stride.
110:19Jadarian Price down the field defended him. It would have been a long touchdown catch for price.
110:24Yet this rookie linebacker is just, I mean, he's running stride for stride with price, but five carries, 15 yards.
110:30And we talked about it last week and I was like, Hey, he got hurt in the game.
110:35Josh, I know you went back, you watched it and said, Hey, I think that those 14 carries would have gone to price.
110:42Had he not been injured in the third quarter, but if he can't be trusted to, to take care of the football, they can't run it.
110:50Like it's not George Helani. It's not Emmanuel Wilson.
110:53They want it to be price. He has got to step up in a major way.
110:57One of the interceptions from Sam Darnold, I mean, it was tipped up in the middle of the defensive, the defense alignment just got their hands on it.
111:06It popped up. Jackson Smith and Jake, but tied for the league lead with six touchdowns through three weeks.
111:11Just unreal. Not nothing that we really need to dive into, but just unreal player.
111:16Jackson Smith and Jake. We'll go through that one much more in stats versus film.
111:20And we'll close out here with the New York jets.
111:23They're actually two and one as they beat the Tennessee Titans, 12 to seven in weather.
111:28I mean, there's really no one to point to here.
111:31That's fantasy relevant. The giants did not have an offensive touchdown in this game.
111:36Cam Skadaboo was the leading receiver, three catches for 40 yards and the leading rusher with 20 carries for 60 yards.
111:42Malik neighbors, only five for 26. Maybe that goes to show you where they're at with James Winston at this point, along
111:48with us being on quarterback trade watch as all the national insiders have been talking about that all day on Sunday.
111:55Von the Titans in like Hayden, Brian Burns plays in this game, but he exits in a lot of pain.
112:01It kind of sounded like some of their big time defensive players didn't make that big of an impact.
112:06And yet here we are with Cam Ward on 36 attempts, just getting 181 yards.
112:11And with a couple minutes to go has a chance of outright winning this game and throws a lackadaisical interception on first
112:18down in the red zone, despite having multiple timeouts and the game is over.
112:22And that's it. It's almost time, man. Like it's, it's almost time to do a Bryce young and sitting down for, for a little bit.
112:29And it's almost time beyond that for the Tennessee Titans to like really start looking at this incoming quarterback class.
112:35Like it just too many, too many of those same mistakes.
112:39They couldn't run the ball. Obviously they've never been able to run the ball, but beyond that, like just the cam ward, like he's so lackadaisical back there.
112:47Like, and he's not accurate enough. He's still throwing the ball right at defenders.
112:51Uh, he went to the podium after that game on that brutal interception.
112:55And he said like, he wasn't fooled. Like he just like did not throw it with enough height.
113:01And I'm like, he said it was a good throw.
113:04You just needed to get it up a little bit.
113:07Okay. I mean, yeah, it does need to get it up a little bit.
113:11Your numbers got to get up a little bit, or you're going to go to the bench.
113:16And here's the problem with the Tennessee Titans right now is the next two games.
113:20They're in Baltimore against the Ravens with Jesse mentor, who throw a bunch of curve balls at you defensively with aliens back there in the secondary.
113:28And then you get the Houston Texans and those tackles are not going to be able to survive.
113:34It's like, it's only going to get worse for cam war these next two weeks, most likely.
113:39And we're getting very close to the point where like, should they bench him now to avoid those games or should they
113:45get through those next couple of games? And then Titans fans and the Titans organization are like ready to turn the page completely on cam war.
113:53There's just like not been nearly enough good to overcome.
113:56Like, which is like every single week, way, way, way too much bad.
114:00I, I've been talked about on X as being this big time cam ward hater, but I'll just say this.
114:06There was some really concerning stuff that I heard from him coming into the season.
114:11I'm watching that show quarterback. And he talked about midway through the year, last year, he had to go back to his,
114:17you know, quarterback training coach because he knew his mechanics were off and he was lazy in the pocket.
114:23And then he also talked about never having to study film until he got to the university of Miami.
114:29He said, he didn't do it at incarnate word.
114:31He didn't do it at Washington state. He just, the first time that he watched quarterback film was in his final season
114:38at college at the university of Miami. And I'm watching that play and people are like, Oh, look at his aura in
114:45the pocket where he just kind of stopped moving and stood there and through the ball.
114:49It was everything about how he's playing right now.
114:52Just does not scream long-term NFL starter. It does not give you confidence in them or that team.
114:57You look at the stat line. Tate was fine.
115:00I guess Wanda Robinson scored what I heard and read a lot.
115:04Josh and Hayden was Najee Harris. Didn't look bad running the ball in this one.
115:08What you do with that information. I do not know.
115:11But Jameis Winston released a commercial yesterday with him grabbing crab legs.
115:15And I'm thinking to myself, I know it was filmed before yesterday, but I didn't feel good about Jameis Winston before the game.
115:22I don't feel good about Jameis Winston in the offense after the game.
115:26I don't want any part of Malik neighbors. I don't want any part of Isaiah likely they need to find somebody else pronto.
115:33Or maybe it's just like, how can you feel good about anything in New York?
115:37Malik neighbors included. Yeah. I mean, the Isaiah likely week one stuff is like way behind us.
115:42At this point, I feel like there's a lot of those week one performances that look a bit different after, after week three.
115:49They do have the Cardinals next week. Again, this is this.
115:52Stanza of the season for the Giants, where they should win games, Cardinals commanders over the next two weeks.
115:58But how do you win those games? Is it going to be yards?
116:02Is it going to be points? Or is it again, going to be ball control and we win defensively and we win the margins?
116:09Kind of like this one. I can't remember who said it.
116:13Either Cam Scadaboo or Javon Holland. Someone said, Hey, if this was us last year, we would have lost this game, but we won it.
116:20And I think that was a direct shot at the offensive coordinator, the opposite sideline and Brian Dayball.
116:25There's a lot of overlap in this game. I will say this.
116:29Devin Singletary was a healthy scratch in this one.
116:32And that is pretty helpful for Cam Scadaboo. Like the fact that he was like the leading receiver in this one is
116:38like, that's, that's pretty promising because after week one, he wasn't pretty much involved in that capacity at all.
116:44And that's his back-to-back games where he's at least catching three plus passes.
116:48So maybe we'll go back and watch this game.
116:51And it was like, just like too much of a rainstorm or whatever.
116:55I know there's just some rain in the forecast, but to your point, Ray, uh, the cam ward and Jameis Winston, like
117:01there's a little bit too like unseriousness for like what we're expecting out of starting quarterbacks at this point.
117:07And I think the results are speaking for themselves.
117:10All right. That's going to do it again. The games we didn't really dive into circle back here during stats versus film on Tuesday.
117:17We'll have watched all of those. That's for sure.
117:20Along with Matt Harmon joining us on that episode.
117:22And again, keep in mind Monday night, football. As soon as it hits triple zeros, we'll have the week four waiver wire
117:29on the channel for all of you. Uh, lots that I've been to because of all these injuries and we're going to
117:35spend all day tomorrow looking into it and recording.
117:38So we get it right for all of you, Ray.
117:41Thanks so much. Hayden, you as well. Production behind the scenes.
117:44Shout out to all of you for watching. We'll see you next time.
117:48See you.