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1:04Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck.
1:07And today we are going to go through and find out who is this year's Colts, a.k.a.
1:11the shocking team that nobody really sees coming. But we're going to see them coming, maybe.
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1:48All right, let's get to who's going to be this year's Colts.
1:51This year's Colts complimentary, not derogatory. Hopefully this year.
1:53First half of the year, Colt. This year's Colts, a.k.a.
1:56the team that no one really sees coming in a fantasy vein.
2:00You know, a bunch of high-scoring games, high-scoring star players, and basically league-winning type players on their team.
2:05Jonathan Taylor last year, at least until the wheels fell off, was like that.
2:09I mean, do you guys remember when he was scoring like three touchdowns every game?
2:13He had three games with three different touchdowns. He had four and three in one month.
2:17Yeah. So, three touchdowns is a hat trick. He had a hat trick inside of a hat.
2:22He had a hat trick of hat tricks in a month.
2:25Tyler Warren was going crazy. Yeah. Alec Pierce was doing well.
2:28Everybody, Daniel Jones was absolutely cooking. The entire offense came out of nowhere.
2:32And the goal of today is to find maybe are there one or two offenses this year that we think could do
2:38what the Colts did last year and be filled with fantasy upsets.
2:41And that is like one of the bigger, if you can identify those teams before the season, it is like one of
2:48the simplest ways to just kind of be dominant is all the players are on a great offense.
2:53And just to put a button on just how good the Colts were, because again, first half of the season.
2:58So funny. Look at these stats. Cause I keep waiting for it to be wrong.
3:03The Colts halfway through the season. So eight weeks, halfway through the season, Colts are the best record in the NFL at seven and one.
3:10They led the league in all the counting stats.
3:12So yards points, touchdowns, but also all the advanced stats.
3:15So expected points added per play and expected points at a total.
3:18And my favorite, which is just, if you look at like total EPA, which is like expected points added in the 21st century.
3:25So since 2000, the best teams ever are the 2007 Patriots who went 16 and 0.
3:29The revolutionized offensive football. Yep. Literally unbeaten. And then the with Tom Brady and Randy Moss and Wes Walker.
3:35Then you have, don't forget Dante Stallworth. Don't forget.
3:37And then you have Peyton Manning's best three seasons ever, which include not once, but twice breaking the touchdown passes record.
3:43Like two different Peyton Manning touchdown passing records. The 20, 2000 Rams greatest show on turf.
3:47The chiefs in 2018, when Patrick Holmes through 50 touchdown passes.
3:51So three people on this list through 50 touchdown passes.
3:53And then it was the 2025 Colts. And then it was a team quarterbacked by the guy, the New York Giants were like, we're good.
4:00Daniel. You guys don't even get me started. Quarterback you guys hate.
4:04But the point being that if you're a, look, it's not that every year there's going to be a team like the Colts that are on this list.
4:12Although maybe, but it's more just which team do you think people are really wrong about that?
4:16It's just going to be like way higher than everyone's that people don't see.
4:20And then if you can get two players on your team from that team, then you're probably gonna be doing pretty sitting pretty pretty pretty pretty.
4:28That's a weird thing to say. I like that.
4:30Sitting pretty pretty. Sure. That's a new phrase you just invented.
4:33Pretty pretty sitting pretty pretty. No, we get it.
4:36Yeah, we get it. Anyway, okay. Has the pretty pretty.
4:39That's his. But yeah, Craig, who's the first team that you think could actually we have to we I do.
4:44I wanted to just give the parameters of what I was thinking about.
4:48What is it mean to qualify? I think it is essential that there have to be real questions about the quarterback for its account.
4:55Yes. As a cold. Yeah, like look here. We tried to select teams that you truly wouldn't see coming.
5:00That's the point of this the same way nobody talked about the Colts last year.
5:04These are teams with like a top 10 pick in the draft this year.
5:08These are teams of the quarterback questions like we're not just going to walk in and be like, I think the Bears are going to be really good.
5:16All of their their players are inflated the way like Luther Byrd is going in the third or fourth round.
5:22These are teams that aren't really discussed for whatever reason.
5:24And the team I want to start with is the New Orleans Saints, who I think have a shot to be this year's Colts.
5:31One, there's also some similarities. It's like former Eagles offensive coordinators turned head coaches on a team that's trying to find their
5:37footing after losing their their longtime quarterback and replacing them with like a 27 year old quarterback that nobody thought would be good.
5:44That is kind of like Shane Steichen, Daniel Jones to Kellen Moore and Tyler Shuck.
5:48But in general, I do think the Saints for a couple of reasons are kind of flying under the radar.
5:54I think they're kind of outshined by a lot of shinier objects in the league.
5:58Like Kellen Moore is a really talented young still play call.
6:01He's 38 years old. This is this will be his ninth season coaching in the NFL.
6:05He's 38. Wow. So be his eighth season as a play as an offensive coordinator at 38 years old.
6:11But but like Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen and Mike McDaniel and all these guys, I think, overshadow him a little bit,
6:17despite the fact that Kellen Moore was the guy calling plays on that Eagles team that won the Super Bowl.
6:22Kellen Moore was the play caller or the offensive coordinator on the Cowboys when they were leading the league in points.
6:28And now with Tyler Shuck, who I think is another guy who does not get enough love or is not being recognized
6:35really for reasons that I think are fair. Like nobody really thought he'd be good coming out of college.
6:40He was a second round pick. He was old.
6:42He was the same draft class at the same high school class as Trevor Lawrence.
6:47He was just older than Trevor Lawrence. He got hurt like every year in his college career.
6:51He got hurt every year. He broke his collarbone.
6:54He hurt his shoulder. He broke his leg again.
6:56He was Justin Herbert's backup at Oregon. Tyler Shuck.
6:59He'll he'll be 27 years old next month. Yeah, September.
7:02He turns 27 and this is his second year in the NFL.
7:05But despite all that he came in last year and the Saints started poorly.
7:09Shuck came in as a starter. He played 10 games as a starter.
7:13He lost four of his first five, but then they close the season.
7:16It looked like the Saints might have the first pick in the draft.
7:20And it was like, are they going to take Fernando Mendoza?
7:23And then they won four of their last five.
7:26And over those five final games with Shuck starting, the Saints were 14th in points per game.
7:30They were 7th in yards per game. They were 6th in passing yards.
7:34Tyler Shuck himself was the QB 7 in fantasy.
7:37He was 11th in EPA per drop back. He was 11th in success rate.
7:41QB 7 in points per game. Yes. Yeah. He scored 20 points per game.
7:44He was 10th in rushing yards per game. Tyler Shuck, a little bit more mobile.
7:49He was averaging around 30 rushing yards per game, which is more than Drake May had last year.
7:54And you look at the weapons like bringing in Jordan Tyson, the ninth overall pick.
7:58You now have Chris Alave who just signed a big deal.
8:01He's in the, who's in his prime. You have Jordan Tyson, who's by all accounts had a great camp and looks electric.
8:07And the only issue with him in college is really injuries.
8:10But from a talent perspective might be number one in the class.
8:14They brought in Travis Etienne. They still have Alvin Kamara.
8:16I think they have a solid offensive line. They have two top 15 picks at tackle, Fulaga and Kelvin Banks.
8:22They have a solid center. They brought in David Edwards, the guard from Buffalo that gave him $60 million over four years.
8:28And, and, and this team from a coaching perspective, you have Kellen Moore calling plays on offense.
8:33He is, he, they run the fastest offense in the league.
8:36They led the league in plays per minute last year.
8:39They have the fastest pace. They're pass heavy. They're like an analytics nerds dream.
8:43Super pass heavy. And also like the team might not be, I mean, their defensive coordinators is Brandon Staley, who did a
8:49really good job last year with a Saints roster defensively.
8:52That was like middling. And so you just kind of look at this team in a division that feels very winnable in the NFC South.
8:59They have the 30 easiest schedule in the league per sharp football.
9:02Um, and also if you want to even get more granular, they have a fantastic fantasy playoff schedule weeks, 13 to 17.
9:08The Saints play the Panthers bucks Cardinals and Falcons.
9:11So if you believe in like Tyler shock, I says under the radar guy and his team can pick up momentum.
9:17It's a great spot to be in, in the fantasy playoffs.
9:20So that's kind of my overall pitch for why I feel like the Saints are kind of, are kind of, you know, uh, hidden a little bit.
9:28Yeah. Yeah. That is an extremely like well-reasoned, uh, argument.
9:30It's funny because the Saints, I think of all the teams we're going to talk about today might have might check the boxes.
9:37I put together some variables that I thought had to kind of be hit here for a team to be that surprise breakout.
9:43Here's the variables they had four of them new or improved quarterback play.
9:47Um, and I think Jack, the shock thing is basically like people didn't pay attention to the Saints last year.
9:53If you weren't really paying attention that much, he was playing a lot better than anyone expected.
9:57He's not famous. I think like part of it was like, he was not famous in college.
10:02His name is hard to pronounce. I was going to say a year ago, people were still learning to say shock.
10:08Like no one knows who this guy is. And if he just had the same season, but was the 10th pick in
10:14the draft, we'd be thinking about him completely differently.
10:17Totally. Okay. So new and improved quarterback play respected play caller.
10:20I think Kellen Moore has established himself as a good play caller and a savvy sort of forward thinking play caller.
10:26Uh, excellent or highly improved offensive line. I think the Saints, according to Brandon Thorne, who is one of the best experts
10:32on offensive line play, he has them as the seventh ranked offensive line.
10:35I mean, this is a top 10 at the very bottom, um, at the very worst offensive line.
10:41So I think that is huge. And then stud skill players.
10:44And I think they have all, they check all four of those boxes.
10:47I mean, they got a lava. I think Tyson's going to be really good.
10:51They have, uh, obviously two good running backs and ECN and Camara.
10:55I think this is, this is a great call, Craig.
10:57I think this is a team. I think we think about that.
11:01I don't know what you think about what they were under Rattler and it was just kind of like a, an ugly offense.
11:07And now they have potential to be really, really good.
11:10And think back two years when they started off really hot too.
11:13Um, so yeah, this one fits a lot of the, it checks a lot of those boxes.
11:18I really liked this. One thing that I like to focus on is like year two with a new play caller.
11:24And I often feel like sometimes everybody gets all excited about year one with the new hot play caller and it doesn't go that just takes time.
11:32Yes. It takes time. You know, you need a couple of drafts.
11:35You need to like get your footing under you.
11:38You need to find your quarterback. And the saints are kind of a prime candidate here where Kellen Moore going to the
11:44saints was probably like one of the least discussed coaching changes last year, just because of where the saints were and the saints were, were solid last year.
11:52And there's just so much more buzz elsewhere, kind of rightfully so.
11:55But I, I tried not to overlook too much when like year one went okay for a play caller that I really trust.
12:01Cause it takes time. The parts of that, that I think I would echo is just like things that are a really
12:08big deal is the saints having the third easiest schedule per one sharp strength of schedule, which every year you look back on it.
12:14And that matters the Patriots being the best example ever probably last year, which is entering the year where like Patriot schedules really easy.
12:21And it probably became, I don't know if any team's schedule has been a bigger deal or a storyline than the Patriot schedule last year.
12:28Saints being top three, easy schedules, huge. The pace thing you brought up, Craig is huge in that you can only get
12:34fantasy points if they run a play and the saints run plays the most.
12:38Like I think a sharp football has the saints as running the fastest offense.
12:42Basically they snap every 27 seconds. They're leaving 12 or 13 seconds of the play clock.
12:47They play fast and their defense is like, could be fine.
12:50I think the saints could win the NFC North or sorry, the NFC South very easily.
12:54The North would be harder cause they're not in it, but the, that would be tough.
12:59You never know. That'd be a big flex. You know what?
13:02We didn't only win our division. We won your division, bitches.
13:05That would be incredible. Uh, but the saints, I think they could win the division, but the defense is probably a little weaker.
13:11So the offense could be running a lot of plays.
13:14And then the saints have built the team to give Tyler Shuck every chance to succeed.
13:19Right? Like they got Jordan Tyson with the top 10 pick in the NFL draft to be opposite Chris Olave really athletic
13:25tight ends brought in David Edwards, the guard line.
13:27Travis H and as the running back. So they're giving shock everything he needs to succeed.
13:32My question is who are the players you want at cost?
13:35So we have Chris Olave as a, the number 12 receiver.
13:38So, you know, like a third ish round pick or something like, uh, we've Jordan Tyson is the number 33 receiver.
13:44We've Travis again, the artist formerly known as Travis ETN and now it's Travis H and at running back Alvin Camara's was
13:50going to retire, but now I guess it's the third down back Tyler Shuck himself.
13:54So Craig of all those guys, who are the, who are the person that you're targeting with all this said, or you
14:00think all these guys will be good values or who in particular?
14:04I think Tyson and Shuck to me are the, probably the two values I like the most.
14:09I mean, Tyler Shuck is probably going on drafted.
14:11You can easily just, you could just draft him to your backup quarterback and see if he plays well and super flex.
14:17I think he could be your number two guy again, QB seven over his final five games of the season.
14:23Like I understood the schedule wasn't that hard for shock over that stretch, but again, it can be that hard.
14:29Even if you just like pull back and say all the games he started, I looked at this yesterday.
14:34He was the QB 12. He was a QB one in the games that he started, not just like narrowing it down to the winds.
14:41Um, so I think, yeah, I think he is definitely a sleeper at quarterback.
14:45And then Tyson is going Jordan Tyson. The rookie is going around guys like Kyle, a young guy, DK Metcalf, Tony Pollard,
14:51RJ Harvey, Marvin Harrison, Chris Godwin, Rico Dowdle, Alec Pierce.
14:54I would take a shot on Tyson over any of those guys.
14:57I think from a talent perspective, he looks like he could be very special.
15:01And if this offense is, you know, exceeds expectations, it's it's, you can absolutely support two wide receivers in a lava and, and Tyson.
15:08And one other thing I'll say is like maybe ETN and a lot of when you look at them in drafts don't seem like incredible bargains.
15:15One thing I kind of feel confident in is that it's only August 12th.
15:19We're still getting, we're still early on in this process.
15:22The NFL season starts like a week later than usual.
15:25So everything's kind of pushed. I don't think saints players like ETN or a lot of it are going to rise up.
15:31I don't think there's a chance they become like the sexy draft pick.
15:35If anything, I think it's more likely that when you're doing your draft with your high school buddies or whatever, ETN will
15:41be an afterthought, even a lot of it. I think the concussion stuff, I think that the amount of sexy names around him shock.
15:47Absolutely. I think a lot of these guys will be seen as kind of like you take them at cost or lower,
15:54which, and I think they could be good values in that sense.
15:57Yeah. If he can handle the fragility of those guys, like, cause I, I feel like there's still the impression that a
16:03love is a very risky pick just because of his history with concussions.
16:07And so, and then obviously Tyson hit his big knock was, he was hurt again almost every year.
16:12This is like a saints thing. Almost everybody in the saints, the knock is where they were always hurt.
16:17Right? Maybe that's just where they get into value or they, their perceived value, but 16 games last year.
16:23Yeah, that was huge. And they gave him a massive contract.
16:26So, okay. So DK who's another team that you think could be this year's Colts and you're basically guaranteeing it with a,
16:32with a, with a hundred percent guarantee. I stake my reputation on it.
16:35No, I mean, look, this is, this one's really way more variable, I think, or volatile than what Craig's was, but the
16:42Las Vegas Raiders, I do think they fit a lot of the, um, the variables that I'm looking at in terms of, um, a breakout offense.
16:49Now, I think the big one for me, the biggest one by far is Kubiak.
16:53I, I really think I have a lot of trust in Clint Kubiak.
16:57I think he could be. There's seven. The one that was coaching the Seahawks last year to a Superbowl W and.
17:03Oh yeah. That guy. Yeah. Yeah. Clint, Clint, Clint.
17:05I think it's a coordinator. Right, right, right. Obviously, you know, Mike McDonald, I'll have to do that too.
17:11Um, Kubiak. I just think there is a chance in two years, we're talking about him in the same sort of conversation
17:17as some of the best play callers in the NFL.
17:20DK, you want to go, you want to like tie this back to the saints, Clint Kubiak on the saints.
17:25Remember those three weeks, two years ago when the saints were playing up 40 points a game and then everybody got hurt.
17:31Yeah. So I think there was a chance that was a glimpse of what the saints could have been last year.
17:37Obviously they lost their quarterback and that everything kind of fell apart.
17:41Um, but let's go through the checklist here. Respected savvy play caller.
17:44I think Kubiak is one of the better play callers.
17:47I think he had, it's a long proven, very reliable offensive scheme.
17:50The Kubiak Shanahan scheme has been around forever. It works all the time.
17:54It, uh, we've seen it elevate teams that you don't really expect to be good.
17:58I would think about like the Matt shop Texans back in the day.
18:02Um, and I do think the other thing that's nice, and this is really the big sticking point is what do we do with the offensive line?
18:09I think this could be at best, probably an average offensive line.
18:13Last year, they were one of the worst offensive lines and going into the year.
18:17They're probably going to be ranked around some of the worst offensive lines, but they're getting Colton Miller back who missed almost
18:23all of last season at left tackle. That's big.
18:26Just like a foundational piece on the offensive line.
18:28They traded or they signed, uh, Tyler Litterbottom in the off season.
18:31Basically he was there. We're not leaving free agency without this guy thing.
18:35They overpaid according to the center, uh, you know, landscape by maybe 10 million or whatever it was.
18:40Um, and then, you know, so, but I do think the Kubiak scheme can elevate an offensive line based on like the way that they run their scheme.
18:48It can kind of hide some of the issues that they have.
18:51The play action, the misdirection, things like that can help with the quarterback in terms of a pressure rate and all that stuff.
18:58Um, so the offensive line, that's a variable. I can't necessarily put a check there, but I do think there is a
19:04world in which the offensive line improves pretty significantly.
19:07Um, and then the quarterback growing from Gino Smith to cousins and Mendoza, I think theoretically could be a big improvement.
19:12You know, it depends on what kind of version we get of cousins early in the year.
19:17And then of course, if Mendoza plays, that's another one.
19:20Um, but you know, Gino turned the ball over more than anyone last year, other than Sam Darnold.
19:25And so just cutting down on turnovers could be a massive boon for this offense.
19:29And then stud skill players. I mean, Brock Bowers might be the best tight end in football, probably the best tight end
19:35in football might be even a top 10 pass catcher period in football.
19:39Um, and then Ashton Gentry, we've talked about this a bunch.
19:42If you give him an inch, he'll take a mile last year, basically on the runs where he was able to take one step without being hit.
19:50He looked electric. And I do think again, this scheme probably be a huge boon for him.
19:55Um, so the Raiders, this is not every time Austin Gale, a Raiders fan points out that the Raiders started meeting without
20:01their O-line coach because they needed to fix it.
20:03That's how bad the O-line coach last year, they didn't last year.
20:07They Pete Carroll's son. They didn't want Pete Carroll's son coaching the line in the meetings.
20:11Talking to Austin about last year, just man, the Raiders were such a dysfunctional organization.
20:15Basically Pete Carroll and, and Tom Brady, I think had different visions.
20:19The coach, like he didn't get to choose his entire staff.
20:22There was just no continuity or, or, uh, you know, they just didn't agree to see eye to eye on like how to run anything.
20:29Too old. It's too old. Pete Carroll. I mean, he's the football may have passed him by at this point.
20:34Who knows? Um, but so like if you, if you go past that, the, obviously the big question here is like, what,
20:41what's going on at the receiver core? I don't know.
20:43Honestly, I think Trey Tucker could be a fine skill player or a role player.
20:48Um, Jack Besh hasn't done anything since they drafted him last year in the second round.
20:52Uh, Dante Thornton, probably not a big factor. They did sign Jalen Naylor and free agency.
20:57At least he has experience. I mean, that's the Vikings third receiver last year.
21:01Jalen Naylor is now going to be extensively their number one.
21:04Cause Trey Tucker's a speed, deep threat. That's really like a speed crosser threat.
21:08I don't know. Like, like the, he could be good on like play action and things like that.
21:13I think where they get him in, um, down the field and throw it over the head.
21:17But yeah, they, to me, it's like, but, but if you have Bowers and Jenty, that's more than enough in terms of
21:24the skill player position, because they are two very, very talented, very explosive players can get you big plays, um, and can
21:30be types of guys that you can really trust in those key situations.
21:33And so look, I'm it's, it's a stretch. You have to squint definitely to see this, but I think I would never
21:40have guessed the Colts would have done what they did last year.
21:43I'll put it that way. Um, so I think when you see, when you have a coaching change like this court, a
21:49quarterback change, there's a chance they make a massive jump from what they did last year.
21:54Yeah. These things might feel far fetched, but again, DK, like you just said, it can't be overstated.
21:59Like the saints last year going in with Daniel Jones, a rookie tight end, you have Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce and
22:05sure Jonathan Taylor, but like the bet, the bet, one of the top 10 offenses of the 21st century.
22:10Nobody saw coming. Yeah. So it's, if these teams feel a little bit like, yeah, right.
22:15The saints or the Raiders are going to be, nobody expected the Colts last year, which is the point of this exercise.
22:21I will say about the receiving group. I can't remember a time when we've had two teams with this, the dolphins and
22:27the Raiders have about as bad of a receiving group.
22:30I was like, I can ever remember in the NFL.
22:33Yeah. The Raiders one, I think speaks more to, I, that Clint Kubiak, I think they see Brock Bowers as the number one receiver on the team.
22:40Sure. And I, again, I, Jackson Smith and Jigba and you center around them, but even Cooper cup and Rashid Shaheed are better than any ride receiver.
22:48The Raiders have right. And I think, but I think the Seahawks signed Cooper cup mostly for his willingness as a blocker
22:54and his intelligence of like, just understanding the X's and O's that's going on in the field and his ability to adapt
23:00and understand how to heat that Cooper cup could motion and play in anywhere in the offense and know how to block and all those things.
23:07And also just know where to sit in zone.
23:10And, but I think the Seahawks last year, they traded DK Metcalf.
23:13We weren't looking at the Seahawks. Like it was a deep thing and that they had needed Tori Horton to catch a bunch of touchdowns.
23:20Oh, I thought for sure they were going to regress an offense.
23:24Yeah. And so that's why I look at the Raiders and I get excited.
23:28The dolphins. That's just, I just think they're the worst receiving group since the Jets.
23:32They're tanking. They are tanking. And I don't, I take that seriously when I say a team's tanking.
23:37I'm a, I don't think NFL teams tank nearly as much as people say.
23:41The dolphins have tanked in the past. The dolphins are tanking and they have tanked in the past.
23:46It's like, they have a history of tanking. They have, they, the dolphins are tanking.
23:50Steven Ross is the only owner that seems to love tanking.
23:53And when the Browns, they definitely take two for like eight years ago.
23:57It didn't work. But I think my question with the Raiders is I, first of all, I want to talk about the quarterback.
24:03They drafted Fernando Mendoza, obviously, you know, number one pick Heisman national champion undefeated.
24:07I forget there's like four guys ever that have done that.
24:10And I actually believe that he will not play until he's better than Kirk cousins for this year.
24:15Whether that means Kirk is terrible. Mendoza is amazing.
24:18Kirk gets hurt, whatever. But I do think they're going to play Kirk until they think Mendoza gives them a better shot.
24:24I mean, the Brady quote that you, you mentioned on the podcast where he was, what did he say?
24:29It was like a crime or something that they're making people play early.
24:33I think it's a tragedy. Tragedy. He said it's a football tragedy.
24:37It's an American tragedy. It's a tragedy. Brady views that rookie contracts, making the economics push quarterbacks onto the field early, forcing
24:43coaches to dumb down offensive football rather than forcing quarterbacks to rise to the level of NFL football and dumbing it down
24:49is a football tragedy, as well as feeling that they don't have to earn their stripes.
24:53Like I had to earn it at Michigan and I had to earn the job in New England.
24:58And I had to. And so it's a mix of back in my day, I worked, I walked uphill to the facility both ways in the snow.
25:06So all that's to say is when you guys look at the Raiders team, are you envisioning Kirk Cousins doing well with this team?
25:13Are you envisioning Mendoza playing well with this team either or neither?
25:16I think a lot of this, the fear with the Raiders to me is like, I have more trust in Clint Kubiak as I do any play caller.
25:24Like I fully believe. And that is what you're betting on.
25:27If you want to bet on this. My issue with the Raiders is Kirk, how much better is Kirk Cousins than Geno Smith right now?
25:34One. And two, how much Kirk Cousins are we, if we get 14, 12, 10 weeks of Kirk Cousins, is that enough
25:40to sustain whatever we think this offense could be?
25:43And also you look in fantasy purposes, the Raiders are a very unique team, not expected to be very good.
25:48And yet they have two players going in like the top 15 in drafts, right?
25:53You have Gentie who's a first rounder and Brock Bowers is a second rounder.
25:57After that, who else are you drafting? If you think this team is going to be the next Colts, you're basically saying
26:03Trey Tucker is going to be relevant. Jack Pesce, who doesn't look good in camp, is going to be relevant or something like that.
26:09Well, that's the thing. When we say next year's Colts, it's a little tongue in cheek because it's the same thing saying who's this year's Patriots.
26:17You mean the 80 to one team to make the Super Bowl that made the Super Bowl?
26:22Like that doesn't happen every year, but I think it's a point.
26:25Who's going to be way better than you think?
26:27Because there's always a team. The Raiders are a scary team for fantasy because they're the only team like they're basically bottom five in projected points and wins.
26:35Like the Raiders odds to make the playoffs are really low and the teams that are around the Browns and the Jets.
26:41And you know what I mean? Like they're not considered like to have these top end fantasy players.
26:47So I do think the idea if the Raiders are just kind of what we think, which is last place in the
26:53AFC West, but better than last year, the offense has to be funneled through Bowers and Gentie.
26:57That's like baked in. It's assuming that no one will be relevant other than Bowers and Gentie.
27:02So I think the question is, do you think the offense will actually just be, it doesn't have to be elite like
27:08the Colts average being funneled through Bowers and Gentie would probably make both like incredible buys.
27:13That's the question though, is are the Raiders going to be average or above average?
27:17Cause that would be pretty great. Yeah. I think Craig said it, but this to me is a bet on Kuyak and
27:23a bet on the talent of Gentie and Bowers more than some of the other variables that I mentioned.
27:29And the offensive line thing DK, cause how did you feel about the Seahawks offensive line a year ago?
27:34They were one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.
27:37I mean, they were going into the lead and going into the season.
27:41I think most people considered them bottom five and they ended up being probably average and they did.
27:46And look, they got a, you know, a new offensive lineman and Gray's able who helps stabilize things on the interior.
27:52The Raiders got a new offensive lineman and title and bond who also, by the way, has a, has the advantage of
27:58already being one of the best centers in the NFL.
28:01They paid a lot of money for him, but again, free agent for, I think it's something that gets lost just cause it's a bad contract.
28:08I'm not saying it's a bad contract, but just cause teams spend too much money for bad, for medium term planning.
28:14Most teams that spend money in free agency do get better in year one.
28:18It just doesn't work out longterm. But like the, again, Tyler Linderbaum said centers, a great center.
28:23They do have Colton Miller at left tackle was a first round pick right guards.
28:27Jackson powers. Johnson was a first round pick Spencer Burford.
28:30I mean, he came from San Francisco, which is family, like schematically same family wise and has had success there.
28:35And then DJ Glazer right tackle is a little serviceable.
28:38It's like, I think that that what the Raiders have now at line comparable, if not maybe in slightly better than what
28:44the Seahawks were working with a year ago, DK, like, and I think that's the point is the whole point of the
28:50Kubiak offense is it makes lineman's job easier. Joe Thomas is like one of the best left tackles of our lifetime.
28:56Always talks about how it makes it every year computer.
28:59Everything's a zero one, let you play faster, which is why linemen generally get better under the system.
29:04So we'll see. I, I, it feels like a stretch and it probably is a stretch, but yeah, this is like, this
29:10is the downside is they suck and Kirk Cousins gets hurt as old and Mendoza's a rookie.
29:15That's the problem. Yeah. But, but I don't know in support of this argument, DK, if the Raiders are just like immediately
29:21good or above average or really competent, would you be all that surprised?
29:25I kind of wouldn't because I trust Clint Kubiak and they have Brock Bowers and Gentie.
29:29And I'm like, I don't know if they're a top 10 offense halfway through the season.
29:34I don't think I'd be shocked because of Clint Kubiak.
29:37And I think that's the point here. The tough thing is like, if you want to take Ashton Gentie and you, and
29:43you buy into this, you're pretty much going to have to get him at the end of the first round.
29:48But the bet here would be, is that you think that he can be the RB one in this offense.
29:54Right. Yeah. And the last thing I'd say that just to throw the wrinkle in it, the, I think the big difference
30:00that is maybe so obvious, we're not saying it between Seattle and the Raiders is Seattle had the best defense in the NFL last year.
30:07And the Raiders defense is horrific. And I still kind of think the Raiders are going to trade Max Crosby, making a bad team worse.
30:14Well, he's fighting their quarterback. Gotta get rid of this guy.
30:17Gotta get rid of that guy. How else can he do to get out other than fight the guy you can't hit?
30:24I think the Raiders defense, they added a bunch of pieces on defense.
30:27I don't think it's going to work. And I think that the flip side is it's easy for the Seahawks to be
30:33having such an explosive pass offense when all the game scripts are, yeah, you have to really think about defending the run and we play play action.
30:41The Raiders are down 14 points. They can't just be like doing play action all the time to set up.
30:47Like if you have to get in a shotgun, suddenly all that Kubiak stuff, it's not so easy.
30:52And so that is the thing to keep in mind is that if the Raiders, in theory, you're like, well, it's a bad defense.
30:58They'll give up points. We'll shoot out. It's not built necessarily for shootouts.
31:02Not exactly. DK, before we move on, last question.
31:05So like going back to the Colts last year, the first half of the season, like Michael Pittman was the wide receiver 10.
31:11Nobody assumed that was coming. Yeah. Not saying a Raiders receiver is going to do that, but if you had to pick
31:17one Raiders wide receiver, Trey Tucker, Jalen Naylor, Jack Besh, whatever, Deontay Thornton, who will just massively overperform this year.
31:23If the Raiders are good, who would you pick?
31:25I would probably pick Trey Tucker. Yeah, I think so too.
31:28I've always kind of liked him. I remember watching him at the senior bowl and being very impressed with him.
31:34He's just kind of, he's been slot into a role, you know, in his career so far, but I do think he
31:40has a little bit more to him. So, you know, he's not going to be a traditional number one guy, but it
31:46wouldn't be surprised if he gets more volume than 5'8", 180 really fast.
31:50Yeah. I mean, he reminds me a little bit of like a little bit smaller version of Jaden Reed where you're a
31:56little limited, but there's some, you know, there's some real electric movement skills and get deep.
32:01He's made big plays in the past. It's not like he's been invisible.
32:04Rashid Shahid. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he was a couple of years ago.
32:08I just, do you remember Rashid Shahid at the beginning of the Saints season a couple of years ago?
32:13Like he was all over the place. Ian Harden always posts this, that Shahid had briefly had one of the best like touchdowns per touch.
32:20Yeah. He was going off. Marks ever. Yeah. And explosive plays.
32:23Yeah. So, okay. But I wouldn't put it past Naylor.
32:26Just, they spent a lot of money on him.
32:29And so, you know, that's certainly a possibility. Naylor, kind of an all time name for like a guy in high school.
32:35You know what I mean? Just like that. I hardly know her.
32:38Yeah. Jalen Naylor sounds like the name of a character in American Pie.
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34:11All right, I have it. You're up. People are going to quibble with this pick here.
34:16I was going to ask you guys, do the Vikings count for this?
34:19No, I don't. So I, that was my first thought.
34:22And when we talked about doing this episode, I went past them.
34:26Yeah. And then I mentioning it's worth getting into briefly.
34:28I thought so, but over the weekend, I spent time with like different groups of people that like football, but aren't like
34:35doing it every day like we are. And I kind of just forgot how much people think Kyler Murray sucks.
34:40Yeah. And I think that I feel like we've been in a football bubble of people where again, I actually think there's
34:46a serious chance that Kyler Murray playing on a $1 million contract, $1 million for the Vikings is like the best contract in football.
34:53Like when he's 55 million, I don't love Kyler Murray and the body language and the studying language and the contract bothers me for a minimum.
35:00Like Kyler Murray's like the 300th highest paid NFL player.
35:03That's pretty good. And having said that, people think he sucks.
35:06Fantasy, but yeah, because I think if the Vikings started eight, no, I think people would be shocked.
35:11And I do think that's the point is I think I forgot that people still hate Kyler Murray.
35:16And so I wanted to ask you guys, because this is the team that's probably most situated for the Colts comeback.
35:22I think that Justin Jefferson is exactly like Jonathan Taylor, where everyone thinks he's good.
35:27There's no injury related for his drop-off. People think he's an absolute, just dominant player at his best.
35:32The question is quarterback, the same way with Jonathan Taylor.
35:34They're like, if Jonathan Taylor had a great quarterback last year, no one would be upset.
35:39It's Daniel Jones. It's weird. It was Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones.
35:42It's weird. This year it's J.J. McCarthy. It's Kyler Murray.
35:45It's weird. Kyler Murray just got named the starting quarterback for the Vikings.
35:48And I have a lot of questions about whether this is going to work schematically, just like people didn't know about Daniel Jones last year.
35:56And again, Bill, Bill Barnwell is this great study at SPN that Kyler Murray has almost 5% of his, like 5% of his stats.
36:02His snaps have been under center. The Vikings do like 50% of their snaps under center.
36:07So they're going to have to meet somewhere in the middle, but we're talking about Kyler Murray doing somewhere between like almost
36:1310 times as many snaps under center. Or if you meet him in the middle, Kyler Murray is going to be doing
36:19five times as many snaps under center. That's an adjustment for him.
36:22But you know what the call, honestly, the Daniel Jones thing kind of works for Kyler.
36:27It's like what Brian Dable did when Daniel Jones got to the playoffs last year.
36:31You do a lot of play action rollouts and you're moving the pocket and you're getting Kyler on the move.
36:37I think the Vikings are the best candidate to actually do what we're doing because the other thing the Colts had was
36:43enough talent that when they got rolling, you're like, well, I guess this does make sense because you're like, well, Tyler Warren's good and Jonathan Taylor is good.
36:51And Josh Downs is sneaky underrated. And you're like, well, the Vikings have, you know, like an underrated Justin Jefferson's like maybe the best receiver in the league.
36:59Jordan Addison's a first round pick. And again, weird player, but like he's the number two receiver Hawkinson.
37:04I don't know. I could, I could believe it if the Vikings start hot.
37:08Also, Kyler Murray's done this before you started seven and oh, four years ago.
37:12No one gave a shit, but I don't know.
37:14This one. I do think in Heifetz's defense, this does match pretty similar.
37:18There's a lot of similarities and parallels to the Colts from last year and the Vikings from this year.
37:23I mean, the Colts going from Anthony Richardson and I think Joe Flacco was the other quarterback for a while there on that team.
37:30And then they went and got Daniel Jones. And was he just a free agent?
37:34He just left in free agency, right? His team paid money to get rid of him.
37:39It's stylistically, it's honestly, it's very similar. Like I, Daniel Jones went to Minnesota first.
37:43Right. And then he went signed with the Colts in free agency, kind of like a forgotten man.
37:48Like everyone had kind of given up on him.
37:50I think there's some similarities there. It's a 2019.
37:53It's a quarterback taken in the top six of 2019, cut by the team and paid to go away by the team
37:59that took him going to compete with a different first round pick that he beats out.
38:04And I'm just saying, narratively, it's pretty similar. And for what it's worth, the Colts from 2024 weren't like fucking terrible.
38:09They were eight and nine and they, well, they got second in the division.
38:13The Vikings last year were nine and eight third in the division.
38:17So maybe just a little bit better floor, but the mechanics of the team, I agree, makes sense.
38:22I think the only thing I think narratively, just like the Darnold thing, the fact that that happened and they went 14
38:28and three with Sam Darnold two years ago. And then last year was a disaster.
38:32It's why I don't think people would be shocked.
38:35I think the shock was Sam Darnold winning 14 games with Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings.
38:39So it happening again with the first overall pick, Kyler Murray, I feel like won't be shocking, but it doesn't discredit your
38:45point of like, this offense could still be fantastic.
38:48And we're probably not thinking about the non-Justin Jefferson people as much as we maybe should.
38:52So if it's like Jordan Addison, I mean, they have Juwan Jennings now as their number three wide receiver.
38:58They got him from San Francisco. Jordan Mason. He's a hoe.
39:01We want that known. Juwan Jennings is a hoe.
39:03He's a hoe. I want that now. Was that Trent Williams?
39:06Who said that? No, it wasn't. It was a Juwan Hargrave.
39:10I think I believe said Juwan Jennings is a hoe.
39:12I want that. He's a hoe. So who do we like?
39:15Like out of the running backs, wide receivers, tight ends that aren't Justin Jefferson hype, it's who you think is the best value if this offense pops?
39:23Uh, I, so the boring answer is I think that Jordan Mason, I think is the cheapest starting running back in fantasy.
39:29I think Jordan Mason, he's not sexy cause he doesn't get a ton of catches, but I think that's why he goes late and shit.
39:36He's just, he's probably gonna get twice as many carries inside the five as he did last year, which isn't exciting, but
39:42a carry inside the five, a running back. This makes common sense, but we talk about like red zone touches, red zone touches.
39:49Don't matter. A carry from the two yard line is like seven times more valuable than a carry from the 19.
39:55So it's about carries inside the five. Unless you're Derrick Henry.
39:58Unless you're Derrick Henry. All that's to say, you look like the Saddam, uh, yeah.
40:02Statue every time Derrick Henry stack on the highest is greatest analogy of all time.
40:06I just can't get over that. It's just topples.
40:09I'm going to go watch that video. It's like a family guy cartoon where he just starts up right.
40:14And then the next frame he's horizontal here, the crash.
40:17Yeah. Oh my God. But yeah, I think, I just think Jordan Mason's a really good running back and he's just a perfect guy to take.
40:24He's probably like Javante Williams last year where you're like, Oh, he's the guy.
40:28And Aaron Jones is going to get hurt. And Jordan Mason is going to be like the guy for the Vikings, not
40:34a great receiver, but he might end up playing passing downs too.
40:38Uh, probably won't probably lose him to Xavier Scott, but yeah.
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40:59Uh, he's, he's a huge value and probably looks really great on a team.
41:03Like we, like you were talking about with the Raiders, that's like a head in games game script is going fine.
41:09The quarterback is good. They're distributing the football last year.
41:11It was just a disaster for everything that you could imagine with Jordan Mason in terms of just like, they're not getting into the red zone.
41:19The quarterback situation was disaster. Um, they needed Aaron Jones to create explosive plays rather than, um, you know, the foundational run
41:25game and grind wins out late in the game, things like that.
41:28So yeah, I think Jordan Mason, he's a game script reliant quarterback, but if things go well for the Vikings this year, he could be massive value.
41:36If it's not Mason though, again, if you're first off, you're playing on sleeper, I cannot Kyler Murray himself is the answer.
41:42He ran for 500 yards two years almost tied with Josh Allen for the most among quarterbacks two years ago.
41:48He's still athletic enough. Kyler Murray is going after kickers on sleeper platform.
41:51So I would take Kyler Murray. And also the other person to keep wondering about is Justin Jefferson, where it's like, if
41:57Kyler works and Kyler usually is pretty good. The first two and a half months of the season, there's a world where
42:04we look back and we just can't believe that Justin Jefferson was available.
42:07And we were taking Ashton Gentty and over in the Raiders end up as like bottom five team again.
42:13And we were taking Ash and Gentty over Justin Jefferson when Jefferson had like one bad season and with, with a terrible quarterback.
42:19And so I don't, as much as I'm wondering if Kyler Murray might have issues with the O'Connell offense, sometimes I think
42:25we get that confused about, yeah, in the wildcard round, that'll probably be a huge issue over the course of the season.
42:31I have no issues that Kyler Murray will get the ball to Justin Jefferson.
42:35That will not be a problem. Will they be able to efficiently win a Superbowl?
42:40I have, I really don't think so, but like Justin Jefferson's going to get the football and he might not be a first round pick this year.
42:47I think that's the one that stands out like a sore thumb.
42:51It is interesting that, you know, a team that won 14 games of Sam Darnold two years ago with basically the same
42:57infrastructure and now a quarterback who we assume can be good, the former first overall pick, they only have one player going
43:03inside the top 100 in fantasy and it's Justin Jefferson.
43:06Literally everybody else is going outside the top 100.
43:08And if this offense is going to be good, other people will be in the top 100.
43:13I'm kind of looking at Jordan Addison who's sitting at 109 in ADP right now.
43:17He's like the 44th wide receiver going off the board.
43:20Jordan Addison, first two years in the league had 900 yards and averaged almost 10 touchdowns over the course of his first two seasons.
43:27He had a down year last year for multiple reasons and then now he's kind of back.
43:32I mean, Justin Jefferson had a down year last year.
43:34Sure. And I'm just kind of staring at Jordan Addison who's next to like, I don't know.
43:39Jane Reed or Wandale Robinson or something. Michael Pittman.
43:42Jacoby Myers. And I'm like, if the Vikings are good, really good, Jordan Addison will be way better than the 109th player off the board.
43:49Yeah. I was going to say, Addison reminds me a little bit of like early career Calvin Ridley opposite Julio.
43:54Are you just going to say that? Yeah. I couldn't agree more.
43:58I think there's just a little bit of the way that defenses play Justin Jefferson, the way that defenses previously had played Julio Jones.
44:04You're getting opportunities to get deep and get over the top and you're not getting help over the top in a lot of cases.
44:11And the red zone, the same thing. Julio Jones, one of my favorite receivers I've ever seen.
44:16It should be a Hall of Famer. But he was weirdly never scored, kind of like Calvin Johnson actually, never scored as
44:22many touchdowns as you thought because they were so good that defenses took the anyone but him inside the 10 yard line.
44:28And that's where Calvin Ridley is really similar to Jordan Addison to me is they both scored a lot of touchdowns super
44:34early in their career, even though they were like number two receivers that are thin and don't have the build of someone as a red zone option.
44:42But they were like one-on-one every time in the end zone.
44:45And Addison going around Cortland Sutton, where I'm half looking at Cortland Sutton, like, is he going to lose his job to Pat Bryant by Thanksgiving?
44:52Whereas like, yeah. So Jordan, I think the, again, I think the point to me is if you wanted to have all
44:59the Vikings on your team, you know how easy it is?
45:02Look, you just take Justin Jefferson. You know how easy this is for me?
45:06Yeah. I'm just saying, you know, if you take Jordan, let's say you get Jefferson with the first pick and second round.
45:12Jordan Addison, 109th. This is a joke. You know how easy this is?
45:15I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You can't do this. I really am.
45:19I'm tired of watching you futz around with this.
45:21God, Die Hard. Great movie. Die Hard? I know.
45:24What is that? Welcome to the party, pal. Nothing.
45:26I just made that up. I find it funny.
45:29Like when I always like get just like blatantly getting something totally wrong when it feels like I know what's going on.
45:35What? After you volleyed it several times. Yeah. I'm like doing the quotes with you guys.
45:39I'm like, man, leave the weapon. It's awesome. It's a good bit.
45:43I'm going to start doing that now. And then the other last thing I'll say is TJ Hawkins undrafted, which is fine.
45:49He's like an older player. We have forgotten about that guy.
45:52There was a time when we were like, this is the next guy.
45:56He's like the next Gronk. All I'll say about TJ Hawkinson.
45:59He's undrafted for a reason. Kyler hasn't gotten the ball to tight ends, et cetera, et cetera.
46:03Hawkinson took less money after an injury. That's always a bad sign, but he wants free agency.
46:08All I'll say is TJ Hawkins in a contract year.
46:11It's his last chance at a contract. And I'll say this.
46:14If the whole point of having a tight end at the end is not for some safe floor volume guy, but you're
46:20like, all right, what are the odds they get a tight end?
46:24That'll pop. Everyone's like trying to find a year two tight end.
46:27That'll pop. And I love like Terrence Ferguson, the Rams, but TJ Hawkinson was like the number two tight end a few
46:33years ago towards ACL had a bad recovery. And then JJ McCarthy happened.
46:37I'm like, I don't know. Hawkinson would be the single least surprising tight end to finish top 10 on the season of
46:43all the guys outside the top 16 to me.
46:46And it's funny to me that he's just completely unrostered.
46:48I totally agree. It's almost kind of good timing that he got to waste the year that he's recovering from the ACL with JJ McCarthy.
46:55Like now he can, now he's back that he has a good quarterback.
46:59So anyway, I just, I know the Vikings are maybe obvious, but I just, but they're not priced like anyone believes in them is my point.
47:06Yeah. Okay. DK, who's your next team here that you think could be a surprising cults?
47:11Like, yeah, this one again might be a stretch.
47:13I'm, I'm putting a lot of stock in Kevin Stefanski, but I'm going to go with the Falcons here who look, they have some of the variable.
47:21Here's the deal. They have some of the variables that we're looking for here.
47:25I think the big one to me again is Stefanski who let it can't be over.
47:29It cannot be overstated. Is it understated or overstated?
47:32I can't, it depends what you're saying. It cannot be overstated that Stefanski led the Browns to 11 win game, 11 win seasons twice.
47:39Coach of the year, twice. Coach of the Browns.
47:41On the Browns. He was a man. I mean, I think that.
47:45Stefanski has a beer. Don't you worry. He was a man.
47:48God, Anchorman. Great. Gigachad. Anyway, Craig, I heard that.
47:50You son of a bitch. Anyway, so look, there are two new quarterbacks here.
47:54So we have a potential for new or improved quarterback situation over last year.
47:58Well, sorry. There's, there's one new quarterback. Penix is still there.
48:01But one is named two. So it's confusing. Yeah, there we go.
48:05Now we're talking. Tua Tagovailoa, who I still can't say his last name.
48:08Tungavailoa. Tungavailoa. Obviously. Or as we like to call him, turn the ball over.
48:12Tua turned the ball over. Anyway. Do you guys remember that Tua two years ago led the NFL in passing yards?
48:18Yeah. Did that really happen? Yeah. He's still like the 18th best quarterback.
48:22Did that really happen? I'm guessing Herbert's going to win the MVP this year.
48:26I do. I, I do think Herbert's going to win the MVP.
48:29I swear to God. Anyway, uh, Tua last, 2023.
48:31Sorry. I guess it was three years ago. Tyreek had almost 1800 yards, 13 touchdowns.
48:36Moster and Achan were both like top five in, in fantasy in a per game basis.
48:40Yep. Um, and so again, this is a Tua led offense that did that.
48:44It happened in the real world. I'm not saying it's going to happen.
48:48Tua led is such a disingenuous. I'm not going to say this is going to happen, but it ha it did happen in the past.
48:55Um, but I'm more like a Stefanski believer. I think the real comparison for the dolphins and Mike McDaniel, what you're talking
49:01about is Tua was the point guard. He was the Steve dash of the seven seconds or less sons.
49:06That really is what the dolphins are doing. It was the two seconds or less dolphins, which has a funnier connotation, but.
49:12I think there's a world in which Tua works or less.
49:16There you go. Fuck. That was right. Yeah. The two seconds or less.
49:19I think there's a world in which Tua works in the Stefanski style offense.
49:23Again, this is a Shanahan Kubiak offense. That's the history of it or whatever.
49:27The lineage, um, raises the floor of the offense helps the offensive line.
49:31This is a offensive line that could, I think be pretty good.
49:34Um, again, Brandon Thorne has them ranked 20th, but he's in the, they're in this big tier three, kind of in the middle of the pack.
49:41Um, they have a good left tackle and Jake Matthews, Matthew Bergeron just got a new contract.
49:46He's been good. So their last side is pretty solid.
49:49They also have Chris Lindstrom at right guard. Juwan Taylor at right tackle.
49:53Don't necessarily love that, but belt line off sides guy.
49:55Yeah. And then just when you look at the skill players, it's a fucking bonanza.
50:00I mean, Bijan Robinson and Drake London, Drake London.
50:02And then depending on how you feel about Kyle pits, there might be a three dragons meme here with a London and Bijan and pits.
50:09But I think pits, what he looked like last year, the way that he was running and moving around, I think was really encouraging.
50:16So, um, again, I don't know if they're going to be a good team, but I think they have a potential to
50:22be pretty good on offense based on some of these variables.
50:25I think this one, I don't know. I would be shocked if the Falcons started nine and oh, I wouldn't be shocked
50:31if the Falcons ended up being a great fantasy team because first of all, Atlanta had the best pass rush season they've had in decades last year.
50:39And they're just not going to do it again.
50:41Cause James Pierce, I don't, he's going to get suspended.
50:44I have no idea what his future is. He had a horrific, like, uh, off season incident over the, uh, I think
50:50in the spring that he's probably gonna get suspended and he should.
50:54And then Jalen Walker, their other first round pick towards ACL.
50:57So like, I just don't believe in this defense at all, but the Falcons on offense, I mean, look, it's always weird
51:03to rely too much on whether their first round pick, but there are like nine first round picks in this offense.
51:09It's not an exaggeration. Now, one of those is Johan Dotson, but like that's their fourth passing option.
51:14I always kind of liked, I always liked John Dotson.
51:17I don't know why it didn't work out. You're holding on to stock.
51:21With Johan Dotson's your number two. That's tough. But Drake London pits.
51:24Oh, that's an alarm. Is that just to be like, oh, stop talking about Johan Dotson.
51:28Yeah. Sorry. That was like a warning. That's my phone.
51:31Yeah. But I just, if Tua does play, he's probably going to complete a lot of passes and they might not be
51:37fun to watch, but there's going to be a lot of shipping, PPR points being handed out, participation trophy, PPR points handed out to Bijan and Pitts.
51:45And the question I keep having is Drake London.
51:47Is he like one of the best values or is he just, is Drake London going to have crazy splits between Michael Penix playing in Tua?
51:55But if Penix isn't practicing until early September, I think Tua is going to be the quarterback here.
52:00Do you guys think that Tua and Michael Penix are better than any quarterback Kevin Stefanski had on the Browns?
52:05Let's go through and talk about that. He had Rookie Baker Mayfield.
52:09He had Rookie Baker Mayfield. It was kind of a mess.
52:12Baker and a, Rookie, no, Rookie Baker was great.
52:14Then he heard his shoulder and Baker was a mess for two years.
52:18Sure, sure. Okay. So maybe outside- Odell Beckham's dad was tweeting at him.
52:22You have like Jacoby Brissett, Deshaun, Jameis, Shador. Flacco.
52:24Flacco. Jameis, Winston, Sanders. PJ Walker. I think the- The Browns started with the, what's his name?
52:29Who is the Oregon quarterback they started with last year?
52:32Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel. Yeah. I'm just like, I wonder if Kevin Stefanski is like, wow, this is like, I think we're
52:38all looking at like, geez, the Falcons quarterback situation.
52:41I wonder if Stefanski's like, I got my pick of the litter here, man.
52:44But Tua or Panic? This is great. I think it's part, wow, this, because I think the issues Stefanski have with Deshaun
52:51Watson, and there are many issues to have with Deshaun Watson, but football teams don't care.
52:55The issues Stefanski had with him was he doesn't want to do the same offense.
52:59They don't want to like do the whole- He had to drop back, roll it.
53:04They had a huge power struggle over what the kind of offense they would run.
53:08Tua is fine to do whatever Stefanski wants to do.
53:11Like, I think Tua is going to make it work.
53:13He's like, you know, like how high do I have to jump?
53:17He's going to make it happen. I think- Pretty high because he's short.
53:20A small percentage. A small percentage of Tua is, you know how annoying it is to flip the plays for a lefty?
53:27I know it's a meme. You did like Gabriel last year, man.
53:30He's used to it. Yeah, but it's like you have to teach.
53:33Like, if everything for Penix is left and then the backup comes in and he's like a righty, you got to flip everything.
53:40Like, it's annoying. Well, this is what they say, right?
53:43You want to get a backup that has similar style.
53:45Like, it's like Tyler Huntley with Lamar. Like, you want to get somebody that has like, you know, the lefty thing probably matters in that regard.
53:53I know that sounds dumb, what I just said, but just so you know, Steve Young went to BYU in his freshman year.
53:59His coach didn't want to deal with a lefty and made him a safety.
54:03And then the coach got fired and the new coach came in.
54:06And then in practice, Steve Young, he was like, and the coach was like, why the fuck does that backup safety have a cannon?
54:13Who is that guy? And he was like, I'm a quarterback.
54:16He looks like a future Hall of Famer. Yeah, but that's how Steve Young got to be quarterback at BYU is the
54:22new coach was like, you can throw. That's weird.
54:25You're a defense. But like, coaches don't want to deal with lefties.
54:28And I do think that's one of the reasons, too, is there is.
54:32It's not just a meme. I will say Drake London, I think, is another guy kind of like Olave.
54:37I think Drake London has more buzz than Olave, but I think has a chance to be kind of forgotten in the second round.
54:44People are worried about the offense. Yes. Drake London last year, first 11 weeks of the season, wide receiver three overall.
54:50I don't know what to do with it. I think Drake London was for the first half of the season on the
54:56short list of like most improved players, if not literally, at least in perception.
55:00Like Drake London looked, I hate to just throw Mike Evans around, but he looked like an absolute dominant, dominant outside receiver, which is hard to find.
55:08And then he hurt his PCL and he was kind of banged up for the remainder of the year.
55:13But how many quarter, that's my thing, is how many times did we see Tyreek Hill wide open downfield and Tyreek Hill waiting to do like a punt?
55:21And I'm concerned about whether Tua is going to be throwing into like contested situations with Drake London the same way.
55:27And I wonder if Tua is going to go to Bijan and Pitts and then like Panics will be going to London and Pitts.
55:34Do you feel better about, you feel better about Kirk Cousins and Mendoza than, than Panics and Tua, right?
55:39Yeah, I think so. Yeah. When was the last time Tua made you happy?
55:43Toss in the coordinators and the play. Like if you have to pick Clint Kubiak, Kirk Cousins and Mendoza versus Stefanski, Panics
55:49and Tua, are you easily picking the Raiders? I feel better about the Raiders.
55:53The other thing that Stefanski I'll say is that, and this I keep thinking about with Bijan as the number two pick
55:59and Gibbs is the Falcons have first round picks and a lot of high draft picks on the offensive line.
56:05But the Falcons have Bill Callahan who came with Stefanski from Cleveland.
56:08He's considered the best offensive line coach in the NFL, which is worth keeping in mind.
56:13Yeah. Is the line in Atlanta might be pretty good, which I, to that, and that puts it over for me, Craig.
56:19If Kubiak were in Atlanta, we'd be frothing at the mouth.
56:22Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. Frothing at the mouth.
56:25Over the offensive line play. We would have rabies.
56:27Yeah. Big time. Famously frothing over line play. Anyway, that's a very long way of saying, I guess the action item in
56:34Atlanta is it, other than take Bijan if you have a top two pick, are you higher on Drake London?
56:39Are you high in pits or are you like draft Jahan?
56:42What is the action item on this? That's a good question.
56:45I think, I mean, Bijan, Bijan's going, Bijan's going number two.
56:48Bijan's going number two. So like, if you want to take it number one, sure.
56:53If this was convincing for you, to me, it's more like a pits bet and a London bet, like being confident in London, what he's going to do.
57:01So, but yeah, that's a good point. I don't know if there's a ton of action items on this, to be honest,
57:07other than being confident in pits or the quarterbacks, I suppose.
57:10Tua? Are you going to draft Tua? What a year.
57:13The takeaway here, the phrase was just uttered. I guess the only takeaway here is to draft Kyle Pitts.
57:18We're back. We've never been so back. Who I did just take in a guillotine league.
57:22I know, you did. With our listeners. A 32-team guillotine league.
57:26Yeah. Feel great about it. Okay. There's one more team, Heifert, you want to throw out?
57:30Another team I want to put out there, and it's not, when we say next year's, this year's Colts, I don't mean
57:36that this team will be seven and one and be up there with the two thousand rams.
57:41No, but it's smart to shout this team out because I think it's fair.
57:45I think it fits the mold. And I think that this team will be better than this year's Colts, which is the Tennessee Titans.
57:52I actually think the Colts will come in last place in the AFC South.
57:56I think the Titans will come in. Wow. And I think the Texans and Jags will both make the playoffs again, but
58:02I think the Titans will beat the Colts this year in the division, which isn't like the hottest take, but they did literally.
58:08I think that's a pretty hot take. I mean, they've had the number one pick and then the fourth pick, like they've
58:14not been a good team, but it's for a very simple reason.
58:18Brian Dables made every quarterback he's been with better for 10 years.
58:21And Robert Sala has every defense Robert Sala's touched for a decade has been greater than the sum of its parts, including
58:27last year at the Niners when everyone got hurt.
58:30They were down three linebackers down Nick Bosa. They were down a combined going into reserves like nine players that should have been playing or not.
58:37And they beat the Eagles in the playoffs with no Fred Warner, with Bosa, without the, it was insane how many players,
58:43but how consistently Sala is able to get more out of players.
58:47And I look at the Titans. I think they'll be weirdly competent.
58:50They have a weird amount of pieces on the offensive line.
58:53I think the Titans are kind of like the Saints and kind of like these, the Colts where it's a little forgettable,
58:59not always leading the national media with the Tennessee Titans, but I don't know.
59:03I think it's easy to make solid Dable punchlines as coordinators or as head coaches, but I think Dable as a coordinator is rock solid.
59:10And I think Cam Ward year two leap. It's like, you know, it's not so sexy to talk about a year two
59:16quarterbacks, but Cam Ward's a gunslinger and Wanda Robinson in the slot.
59:20I think Cardinal Tate is a rookie is like a pretty underrated rookie.
59:24I mean, Cardinal Tate, I almost think it's swinging too far away from what was not a great draft class at receiver.
59:30However, dude, Cardinal Tate was the fourth pick in the draft.
59:33He's flying under the radar for sure. Not a top 60 pick in fantasy.
59:37And that is not how the last five or six years have gone in fantasy football.
59:41And so I understand why, but I still thought Cardinal Tate, my conference kept being teeny Higgins because I think that he's not necessarily the most.
59:48Yeah, I think he's pretty slithery actually, but it's, I think Cardinal Tate's like instantly a top 10 contested catch receiver in football.
59:55Anyway, I wouldn't be shocked if the Titans are weirdly competent.
59:58And it's not sexy, but like Tony Pollard, who we used to love and then broke his leg and then went to a poorly coordinated team.
60:05Tony Pollard, how much juice does he need to have?
60:08So you're like, oh my God, he's still got it.
60:11Cardinal Tate being good. Calvin Ridley. I think Kimir Dike might be the best fourth receiver in the NFL for God's sake.
60:17Like, so all that's to say, I just, the Titans have a lot of talent that if you saw it happen, I believe it.
60:24I would believe every individual player on the Titans could perform.
60:27I think this is worth shouting out. Again, this is not like you should be reaching for all these players, anything like that.
60:33It's just like when you're in the doldrums of the draft and there are players just sitting there and you want to
60:40make a bet on like upside that nobody else would expect.
60:43Yeah. If Kim Ward, who was the first pick in the draft, who I thought had legitimate flashes last year on a
60:49disastrous Titans team, like Brian Dable turning him around and they take a receiver fourth overall to pair with him.
60:54I would not, you would not be shocked if the fourth, the first overall pick in year two takes a big leap
61:01with Brian Dable as his play caller. What if he looks a little bit?
61:05That's not a crazy outcome. What if he looks a little bit like Caleb Williams did last year?
61:10You know what I mean? There was, I think some Caleb Williams-esque type play.
61:14I've heard a couple of people say this, but with Cam Ward or like as a rookie where he makes the most
61:20miraculous throws and kind of runs around and does his thing.
61:23And, and there are certain, if you did his best 10 plays, he would look like one of the best quarterbacks in
61:29the NFL, but his worst 10 plays are pretty.
61:32He's trying to make chicken salad on chicken shit a little too much.
61:35Right, right, right. Is Cam Ward a better quarterback prospect than Daniel Jones?
61:39I think so. Yeah. By a lot. I thought he was, yeah.
61:42Well, Brian Dable won a playoff game with Daniel Jones.
61:45DK, do you think Cam Ward is a better prospect than Mendoza?
61:48No, no, no. I think, I think I would have had Mendoza like a tier higher.
61:53Okay. I agree with that. I just, I, but I do think Cam Ward has the kind of thing also for fantasy.
61:59Like he rips it and Brian Dable wants quarterbacks will rip it.
62:02Also, we've talked about this. Just love his confidence.
62:05Love his swag. Like he just has that it factor.
62:08He's talking shit to shitter. Yeah. Like that to me was like, damn, I like this guy.
62:13Also, he, he started out as a walk-on. Didn't he?
62:15He fits. You've talked about, I think it's, I, I, I, I sound so sappy when I say this.
62:21Holy cross. I think as much as there are issues with NIL and the transfer portal, Cam Ward is like the American dream.
62:27He went from. He was a zero star. I think is what I meant.
62:31Zero star recruit. Cam Ward went from one college offer to number one pick.
62:35And that only happened because of the portal. So it's a reminder.
62:38Like there's a reason there's NIL on the transfer portal because the old system is bad.
62:43The new one's kind of insane, but I, Cam Ward stories was not possible even four years ago, but anyway, uh, all
62:49that's to say, I want to ask you if you have to pick any Titans player at cost, I suppose, who are you most interested in?
62:56So I know my answer. I, who's your answer.
62:59This is so ironic because we make fun of them constantly, but Wanda Robinson's getting 120 targets this year.
63:04Oh, I mean, it's, it's going to be, it's a PPR sort of cheat code thing.
63:09Scam. As I think I've heard people say, um, but it is what it is.
63:13I mean, I think he's going to catch a lot of passes.
63:16So I think he's going outside the top 115 in drafts.
63:19He's the 46th wide receiver off the board right now.
63:22His ceiling is 140 targets two years in a row with the 140, 140 two years.
63:27He's got 90 plus balls back to back years.
63:29Same offensive coordinator. And, and obviously they paid him a bunch of money or play.
63:33Caller, I should say, but yeah, the point being they paid him to play and Wanda is going to play for 17 million.
63:40I mean, I think Carnell Tate being there is going to siphon away some targets certainly.
63:44But, uh, yeah, I think he's still going to be the easy button outlet type guy in that offense.
63:50They're going to get them. They're going to scheme up ways to get them to football.
63:54Hyvans, who do you like? Who would you pick?
63:57I think at cost, I think this is a lame answer.
64:00I feel like Tony Pollard is not a player I life at cost, but he's the perfect example of a player who will fall.
64:07Like I, I, every year there's like players that kind of fall because no one wants them.
64:11Like we were, we joked a couple of years ago, Joe Mixon, like some, there are certain players that are so boring
64:18that like when he was on, you said it actually had a good year.
64:21Yeah. A round or two. And I think Tony Pollard's a guy that like, you might be thinking about taking him and then you don't.
64:28And then you come back up and you're like, Tony Pollard is still here.
64:32And I'm a, I'm a hesitant to recommend him solely because there's so many higher upside players in that range.
64:38I'd rather have like, you know, Carnel Tate or Jordan Tyson or, you know, other receivers, but Tony Pollard fell.
64:44But to DK's point, Wanda has weird upside. Considering one of them constantly, but I mean, come on.
64:49The cheat code does have upside. And the other part, this is a deeper cut.
64:53I'm convinced Camara DK will be relevant this year.
64:55He's buried on the depth chart. He's not, you don't have to draft him in like a regular fantasy league, but I
65:02think Camara DK is buried by, you know, this Calvin Ridley, Carnel Tate.
65:05You know, there's just a lot of players in Tennessee, but players who move like Camara DK don't stay on the bench for very long.
65:12Could the Titans have a sneaky, sneaky, good offensive skill group?
65:15Cause we, we've gotten some hype from aisle menor.
65:18Uh, I, oh man, mind your manners. Yeah. I, oh man, or has had some hype in camp too.
65:23Uh, he's good. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Um, yeah, they have depth.
65:27Okay. So with all that said, well, I have one other question I want to ask you is, but before that of
65:33all these, who are the, who's the player that you're most convinced that you want to take after all this?
65:39Cause I think Craig talking about the saints. I am very intrigued by Jordan Tyson.
65:43I think that's the player that I think about a lot.
65:46And for me, it's the Vikings. It's Kyler Murray.
65:48It minutes Kyler Murray being a 10th round quarterback to me when he could very easily run for, he could very easily
65:55next year being taken alongside Drake may. Yeah. If he has a good year in Minnesota, like Kyler is my individual favorite player.
66:01And then I liked that Jordan Mason's the last running back left.
66:05Is there anyone else that you guys like? I like both Jordans.
66:08I would say Jordan Addison and Jordan Tyson. And then I agree with you about Kyler.
66:12Yeah. I was going to say, I'm kind of intrigued by ETN buying the dip on ETN because I think coming into
66:19the year ETN was getting a little bit more hype than the Camara thing happened.
66:23And basically he could end up stealing some of the valuable touches from ETN, but I still think in this offense, if
66:29they're, I do think they're going to try and get him involved in the passing game ETN as well.
66:34So I think ETN could be a value. And then Tyler Shuck just being a good value as a QB two.
66:40If you're, especially in super flex leagues, he's kind of the last quarterback taken that will be able to actually sneaky run.
66:46Yeah. I mean, he could end up like last year.
66:49He was a QB. He was a QB one.
66:52He was the QB 12 snuck in there. But I mean, that kind of, that's, that's a good value where he's going.
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67:24I want to go with Baker Mayfield. I mean, he's just a, he's a guy you want to be around on the field and off the field.
67:31Yeah. Yeah. He's all about confidence, swag. You know, he's not afraid to talk trash with the other team.
67:37I like that. I want, it's a guy I want to follow.
67:40I like that. I didn't expect you to go sass heavy.
67:43I got some sassy. He's sassy. Yeah. I think I would go with my boy out in LA, Herbie, Justin Herbert, a
67:49big man, a man that you can literally get behind and he'll lead you into battle.
67:54He'll die for you out there in the field.
67:56You know, he's not, he's, he's understated off the field.
67:59Sure. He just found love, which I'm happy about.
68:02He's, you know, going to, going to build a life with somebody he found.
68:06That's beautiful. But I also feel like a guy who doesn't say a whole lot, keeps it on the field.
68:11Players love him in the locker room, plays through injuries.
68:14He'll do anything for you. He lets us play to the talking, Craig.
68:18He's got great hair. Like what else do you need?
68:20I'll tell you what he needs. I want Lamar Jackson.
68:23His speed is 96. Okay. So good luck with Herbert's hair.
68:26Fine. And Baker's, you know, okay. Well, sass, I'm going to take Lamar Jackson.
68:30What about beyond his stats? Which is, was a prompt for this competent, for this little draft here.
68:35Is it, it's beyond the stats, not just his speed score.
68:38Call the persona engine. Lamar is himself. Lamar like doesn't have people.
68:42Lamar doesn't do like PR. Lamar doesn't have like agents putting out, you know, things about his injuries.
68:47Lamar is real, man. Lamar is as real as he gets.
68:50He's himself. Lamar does kind of have some sass to him too.
68:53A little bit of sass. You do have to worry about his bowels though.
68:57He's had some issues. So you got to make sure that his stomach's feeling all right.
69:02You think that's a thing when you substitute in the game?
69:05Yeah. You never know. What if, what if there's a moment in the playoffs when Lamar has, has, has to do number two.
69:11Yeah. Well, at least I'll see in the playoffs.
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70:44Okay. You guys want to get a couple emails?
70:47We'll get out of here. Yeah. Emails. So we've been trying to figure out if we can make this bill idea work of a grenade.
70:54I don't know. Yeah. The Rogers grenade now, but we, well, we joked about Aaron Rogers grenade.
70:59We'll, we'll, we'll nailed it. If we want an Aaron Rogers related idea.
71:02Okay. I got one too that we can, if it's hopefully if it's not the same.
71:07Yeah. Well, the whole thing was like, we were looking for survivor, right?
71:11Like, like the immunity idol. It should be the Aaron Rogers immunity idol.
71:14Okay. As someone who doesn't watch survivor, does that, you get a little thing that gives you, it's a good thing in survivor.
71:21Don't worry too much about the details. It's the Aaron Rogers immunity idol.
71:24It's just funny. Yeah. I don't know what we call it.
71:27Maybe someone used to get Rogers every week. I don't know what the mechanism, but I do think that should be the
71:34name is the Aaron Rogers immunity idol. Yeah. I think you like the net to bill.
71:38That's not bad. We'll figure out what it is later.
71:41Can I do one real quick? This is from Kyle in front of the show, Kyle and email.
71:46No, this is, he sent, he texted this to me, but I think, I think it's pretty smart.
71:51Wait, did you already read the email? I thought you were just doing the Aaron Rogers.
71:56I was excited. Open the inbox and you're like, no, I opened my, I opened my text message.
72:01Now he called me at home. Anyway, here it is.
72:03Grenade idea. The league decides on a QB, whether that's Rogers, Gino, probably need like a few in case there's injuries.
72:09During the draft, this is kind of like our, our punishment draft.
72:13During the actual draft for your league, you draft a week in which you have to start that quarterback.
72:18So week one person is drafting that player. Then they drop them.
72:21And then he's back on the white waiver wire or whatever.
72:24But basically the longer you wait in your draft, the more likely it's going to be like late in the season that you're stepping on that grenade.
72:32And you might be, you might eliminate a few of the first few weeks.
72:36So it's like, there's more stakes later on in the season or whatever, depending on how many people are in your league.
72:42But then, yeah. So basically you have to draft a week in which you start the worst core pack.
72:47So you'd be like, Oh, I want to take Aaron Rogers week three when they play the Raiders.
72:53Right. And you don't want to get saddled with Aaron Rogers week 14 against the Texans.
72:57Right. Exactly. In the fantasy playoffs. Yeah. So I think there's some, there's some real, like this feels realistic because then you're
73:03not, it just like, uh, it feels like a mess.
73:06If you're having random people assign people grenades and things like that.
73:09Yeah. That becomes pretty. I mean, if we did that, that's pretty hardcore because that means somebody would land on, like, let's
73:16say Aaron Rogers in week 14 against the Texans, which like kills your chances of winning a playoff.
73:21I mean, like it's over. If you have to start the worst part of the league against the fucking Texans or whatever,
73:27I mean, like how early would you make that pick in your draft?
73:30Can you do that with the first round, get it out of the way?
73:34Right. Um, I, yeah, I think it's kind of a fun, it's a draft day strategy thing, which is kind of fun.
73:41Yeah. My only concern is, does it just become like, someone's like, well, I have Josh Allen and the bills buys week seven.
73:47So I'll take week seven. Here we go. That becomes pretty fucking lame.
73:51Kyle didn't think of that. Now did he? Yeah.
73:53But then you have to start some piece of shit on, in week seven.
73:57Yeah. But like, it makes it easier for you.
74:00Like, all right, I won't add a backup because I have to do this.
74:04You can't do it on your bye week. How about that?
74:07Oh, Kyle did think of that. Well, bylaws. Look, we got to, we can work out the legalese and like the small print on this stuff.
74:14Sure. You know, we'll do it. What else we got?
74:17Keep tweaking. Uh, a lot, dude, people love this Rams 49ers Australia.
74:20I'm fascinated by it. You know, it's the rare story.
74:23Who is going to Australia for Sean McVay? It, no, well, I wish, no, I, but it is the rare story where
74:29sometimes everyone is, I, it is fascinating and not overrated.
74:32Because I, all people are going to talk about is the travel to this game and the jet lag and everything.
74:38But it's the rare thing where the public and the private is going to be completely, all the players are going to
74:44be talking about us, the fucking jet lag and the flight.
74:47And it's, it is what they all be thinking about too.
74:50And so we were talking about how, again, Craig, you pointed out that, well, I think my, is Mike Florio reporting it?
74:56I don't know. But the idea is that the Niners are currently slated to get to the Australia, like eight days before
75:03the game, which I keep screwing up which day it is.
75:06The night they're playing Friday, but that's ahead. So it's Thursday at like eight Eastern five 30 Pacific.
75:11But that's Friday. Yeah. They're playing in the future.
75:13Sure. So it's 17 hours ahead, which is really seven hours behind.
75:17Yeah. So a lot of people emailed in saying that it seems that the rule of thumb is a day per time zone.
75:23So if you want to make up seven hours, it takes about a week.
75:27So the Niners are doing that. Niners are going about eight days before and they, and they're going to be there like the week before in eight days.
75:35And the Rams are going to show up the day before the game.
75:38They're going to play the game. And then they're going to leave the day after the game.
75:43So they're going to be there. Like the only full day that the Rams will be in Australia is the day of the game.
75:50They're going to arrive the day before or leave the day after.
75:53Yeah. We thought that was crazy, right? Like we thought that was nuts basically.
75:57Well, I feel like that is the, that is the like advanced analytics move.
76:01The like, we're going to fly as close as we can to the game feels more modern.
76:06That feels like we're getting, we're getting cute. And the Niners are going old school.
76:10That is the consensus among the travelers, among the people that have emailed in from Australia and other people who have experience
76:16kind of think the Rams have the better strategy.
76:19And that showing up and just being like, we're going to just fucking anchor to Los Angeles time for like 30 hours and then get the fuck out.
76:27Everyone seems to think that'll be better. They should just circle the plane above Australia and create their, their own form of
76:33sunrise and sunset so that it feels like they're still in LA until three hours before the game.
76:38And then you just land. Well, you joke. That's one of the, so here, this email is from Ben.
76:43B bone. Ben. Benji. Ben says, I'm an air force pilot.
76:46I have flown across the Pacific. There it is.
76:49Yeah. Anytime you start an email. Oh yeah. It's really cool.
76:52Ben says, I've flown across the Pacific ocean. I wanted to offer my thoughts on the different strategies for the Rams and Niners.
76:59What kind of plane we talking here? You know, big one.
77:02Probably actually probably not. Are we need to fish big?
77:04If he's flying across the, the ocean, it's probably a big plane, a big plane, but I guess they can refuel anyway.
77:11I don't know. What's a big plane to you?
77:13Yeah. How do you describe a big plane? Like one of those, uh, globe masters.
77:17Do you ever, you ever look that up? I think that's what it's called.
77:21Globe master. It's a great name. Oh, that is a big plane.
77:25I think that's our biggest plane. Oh, wow. C 17 globe master.
77:28That's thick. I think, yeah, the thing has some, some girth to it.
77:32So Ben B bone, pilot B bone, captain B bone.
77:34I don't know. So the typical rule of thumb pilots use crossing time zones is takes your body a day per time zone adjusted.
77:41So yes, Sydney's 17 hours ahead, but that's seven hours.
77:44So he said, but that being said, I think the Rams have a clear advantage because their bodies will please try to track this.
77:51Cause I feel like I understand what he's saying, but I'm not totally sure, but he's a pilot.
77:56So I think he's right. He says the Rams bodies will only be one time zone away from California time.
78:01So the five 30 Pacific time kickoff, I think what he means is being there for a day or is like your
78:08body's only shifted about an hour rule of thumb.
78:10And it'll feel to them like it's like four 30 Pacific.
78:13Their body will feel like it's four 30 Pacific, which is not that different from when they normally play a night game.
78:19The Niners, their bodies will be about five hours off California time.
78:23And there's still be two hours away from being fully adjusted.
78:26So the Niners bodies will become where we caught somewhere in the Pacific ocean.
78:30The Niners bodies thinking it's about 12 30 PM when it will actually be 10 30 in Australia and five 30 in California.
78:36And so as long as the Rams play, stay disciplined with lighting, avoid the sun when their bodies think it's nighttime.
78:42There we go. Yeah. And the Rams get back on the plane home before their bodies even know what happened.
78:48The Niners run the risk of having players. Like you're pulling a bait and switch on your body.
78:53This is like a body heist. Yeah. Indiana Jones grabbed the thing and put the bag on it.
78:58Yeah. We're going to trick our bodies into thinking we're still in LA.
79:02Why? It's Oceans 11 with the fake vault. They're like, nah, nah, nah, nah.
79:05I mean, I'm sure this, this does make, this feels like a Christopher Nolan movie.
79:10Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. So the, it is body heist.
79:12The other thing that I think, someone put it well, is that McVay, if you want to be all, you know, finance-y
79:18about it, McVay is pulling all of the risk into week one.
79:22As someone summarized, whereas the Niners are dispersing the risk across the ultra weeks.
79:26Interesting. They're asking, basically someone was like, it's a little risky to ask the Niners bodies.
79:30Like, and again, it's, it's a lot to talk about, but like peak performance does matter.
79:35Like the MLB, one of the biggest things they do is sleep because they play baseball players travel so much.
79:40It matters a lot. The Niners are asking their players to change body clocks twice in like 10 days because they're going
79:46to go to Australia, have them change, play a game, get the shit kicked out of them by the Rams.
79:52Probably after the sub, go back and change back to East coast or the West coast time, and then keep playing football.
79:58So, whereas the Rams are just kind of sacrificing week one, but no matter what happens, if they don't adjust, they don't adjust.
80:05They're back in America and they never tried to adjust at all.
80:08And so I think that that's the other reason the Rams thing makes sense is let's say they lose the game.
80:14It's a bad strategy. All right. You're Oh, and one, but you're back on West coast time.
80:19Whereas the Niners might try lose and then have to adjust again and kind of feel like they're playing another international game
80:25in week two, because they're going seven hours back and they have like a week to do that, which is weird.
80:31You know, the Niners are getting fucked. I think my, I, I kind of get what this is, what they, what he's saying here.
80:38And I think this is exactly what the Rams, I'm sure I've read the research on this and like have probably talked
80:44to some person in the military about it or whatever.
80:47And, and kind of going with that plan. But I still think my, my just initial impression is we're talking about jet
80:53lag versus just being fucking tired from flying. Well, traveling again, they're not traveling like you and I are.
80:58Yeah, but you have to fly the whole, you have to fly the whole team there.
81:03It's not like they're not an accident. They're not all getting first class.
81:06Do you know, it's not an accident. You know, the Niners play in week two, they get 10 days to play in week two.
81:13Cardinals, the dolphins. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're, maybe they're renting out like a globe master.
81:17And I think the Rams play Monday night football.
81:20Like they, they definitely tried to give them as much time as possible in week two.
81:24I, I'm kind of fascinated. DK, what you just mentioned is like, like making sure that the players sleep when they're supposed
81:30to on the flights is very interesting. Like, I wonder if they're going to have like a sleep fucking coat guru there
81:37to be like, everybody take your melatonin at noon.
81:39But that's the thing is, and wake up at eight.
81:42What if you take the sleeping pills and can't sleep?
81:45And then you get off the plane and you're like awake sleeping pill.
81:48Yeah. I mean, I just like the worst part of it is like, it's almost just as crucial as the game itself
81:54as it is, is how much sleep do they get on the flight over?
81:58And is it at the right time? Exactly what I'm talking about.
82:02I'm like, when I fly, I get really light sleep.
82:05I feel like shit the next day. I'm tired as hell.
82:08And yes, jet lag also makes you tired, but I'm like travel tired versus jet.
82:12I think I would choose jet lag tired. They need to provide enough planes where everybody can lay down in a bed.
82:18Right. In the air. Hence the globe master built some bunk beds.
82:21Maybe they have like a catering cart that they can put the Rams on.
82:25Maybe Ben, maybe Ben can fly some of the Rams himself to Australia.
82:29That's good. This is very fascinating though. Human beings weren't meant to for air travel.
82:33Probably. We're not supposed to be that high. We're not supposed to be up that high guys.
82:38Sure. We are. Sure. We are. We're going to be on Mars soon.
82:42Come on. What are you talking about? All right.
82:44I got one other email here about microwaves. Oh, this is interesting.
82:48Okay. We're talking about how we don't want to stand in front of it.
82:51We don't think it's bad for us, but we also don't want to test it with our brains.
82:57We're just like putting your hand over your crotch when you're nearby.
83:00My instinct is to make fun of the players for thinking in the substation is a thing, but my lived reality is, yeah, I get it.
83:07Right. So Jay wrote in. Jay. Jay. Breakfast was an energy drink and protein bar.
83:11Okay. Okay. Jay writes, I'm an engineer. Microwaves are not radioactive.
83:15And he called us idiots. And he said, if you look at a microwave, you will notice there's a metal mesh screen built into the door.
83:22This screen is called a Faraday cage. Microwave rays have a high wavelength that cannot physically fit through the holes of the mesh, even though visible light can.
83:30The waves dissipate. Prove it. Dissipate when they hit this.
83:32Sorry. I'm just kidding. The waves dissipate. Dissipate. I can never say that.
83:36When they hit the metal, you can imagine a microwave ray as being a rock and visible light being like grains of
83:42sand trying to pass through a sieve. The microwave rays can't fit and get stopped.
83:47So you have nothing to worry about by being near a microwave when it's on.
83:51And it's a dumb conspiracy theory from people who didn't pay attention in science class.
83:55So I can put my head right up next to a microwave when it's on, put my balls right up to it.
84:01It's all good. Just drop your balls right on top of it.
84:05Right on the door. It's like the cage in the zoo.
84:08Just put your balls right there. Put them on the door.
84:11Okay. Yeah. What if the cage is damaged? Just what if he shot me in the head?
84:15All right. That was good to know. No, that is actually quite fascinating.
84:19The sieve metaphor is helpful. Thank you. It is.
84:22That's like a useful party knowledge. You know, I feel like everybody thinks microwaves are bad for you to stand by.
84:28So it's good. It's a fun conspiracy to be a fan of.
84:31I'll say my friend Jay told me, who's an engineer, that it's fine.
84:35Jay said we're good. Yeah. It's a Faraday cage.
84:37I hear a lot about these Faraday cages. Didn't never know what they were.
84:41Yeah. I'm always worried about Faraday cages. Everyone's talking about Faraday cages.
84:44I'm always worried about it. This is good. If anyone else wants to disprove conspiracy theories, we can do that too.
84:50Disproving low stakes or more low stakes conspiracies. I'll take either.
84:53I forgot to say one thing about the saints.
84:56I wanted to bring up a Tyler Shuck nickname possibility if he's really good.
85:00What do you guys think about, because he's so old, right?
85:03That's the narrative. What do you think about super senior?
85:06As a nickname. Is that lame or is that kind of cool?
85:09I wish it was like Kyle Pitts where he added senior and it's super senior.
85:13Is super senior kind of tongue in cheek? He's leaning in if he's really good at plays or is it doesn't work?
85:19You could say it doesn't work. It's okay. It made me laugh.
85:23I think it would be incredible if it was like Kyle Pitts where he added Pitts senior to his name on his nameplate.
85:29If it said Shuck senior, then we got a super senior.
85:32Done. Yeah, that's true. I guess if he was a senior, it would have played a lot better.
85:37You're right. There needs to be a connection. Mother Shucker is right there.
85:41Yeah. But like, yeah, I guess. I mean, that's certainly the funniest.
85:44Super senior Shucker. It's not bad. I'm making sure he's not a senior.
85:48He's not. Although he did play in the senior bowl.
85:51What do you mean not a senior? Oh, like he has a kid?
85:55Yeah, I don't think he has a kid in time.
85:57I'm making sure that he doesn't. Somehow go by Tyler Shuck senior.
86:01We're going to Google Tyler Shuck sons. Does he have children?
86:04I believe he does. Oh, yeah, actually this year.
86:06But the kid is named Grayson. Damn it. Which, man, we should have named him Tyler and then that would work.
86:12I know. He did play in the senior bowl.
86:15Okay, I think I'm back. I think it's funny.
86:17Yeah, super senior. Nah, it's probably not good. It's okay.
86:20We'll keep noodling. Okay. All right. So thank you to DK.
86:23Thank you to Craig. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Nikhil.
86:27Thank you to Abu. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos.
86:29Thank you, everyone for listening. Email us with other microwave adjacent things.
86:33Email us more thoughts on the Australia travel. Email us.
86:36Oh, you know what I want? If you are a sleep expert.
86:39Yes. I don't sleep well on planes. I sleep terribly on planes.
86:42I always have my whole life. If you can give me tips on how to fall asleep on a plane, I would be eternally grateful.
86:49Drugs. Yeah, I was going to say. Sure. Honestly, tell me which ones.
86:53Whatever you want. Ambien. Ambien, maybe. I don't know.
86:56Okay. Well, I'd like the expert to tell me.
86:58Yeah, I'm just, I'm throwing out names of things.
87:01DK's like a couple Ambien's and a whiskey. You'll be fine.
87:04Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Keep them coming. Lord. Lord.
87:06Am I doing it today? I got it if you want it.
87:10I'm always packing. I kind of want it. I kind of want to do it.
87:14All right. Then do it. If you want it, then do it.
87:17All right. We're going to the all-time classic Shake That by Eminem and Nate Dogg from 2009.
87:22Shake that ass for me. Shake that ass for me.
87:25Come on, girls. First verse. First verse is an all-timer.
87:28Get buzzed. Get drunk. Get crunk. Get fucked up.
87:30Is that 09? That's later than I thought. I think it is.
87:33No, it's 05, I think. Wait, hold on. Maybe I got it wrong.
87:37That's the one with the curtains, right? Shake that.
87:40The Eminem show or the curtain call. Curtain call.
87:42Yeah, yeah. Was that? I don't think that was that.
87:45Oh, sorry. It is 2005. You're right. My bad.
87:47The red one. Hey, DK, let me. If you're going to do the millennial bangers, you need to get your information right.
87:54All right? You're right. That's my bad. You need to know when this shit came out.
87:58I have a question. Does this count? Is it in the right time frame or are we too early?
88:03Yeah, absolutely. I think my question with Shake That, which one, that, yeah, that one, that was quite the song to come
88:10out when Craig and I were like 11. My other thing about Shake That, because that music video is animated, right?
88:16Do you remember the music video for that? I don't.
88:18Vaguely. It's when you're 11. Nuts. It's illuminating. That's the first animated music, like rap video.
88:23Oh, interesting. I wonder if there had been an animated, maybe probably literally yes, but I'm wondering how many rappers have really
88:29had an animated video yet in like 2005. I had to get Nate Dogg here to sing some shit.
88:34Oh, Nate Dogg. Two to the one. One of the best voices.
88:38I love this. I love this song. I love this song for a feature for like a coming in to do the hook.
88:44Two to the one to the three. DK, you say the next line.
88:48I'll say this line. Ready? Two to the one to the one to the three.
88:52I like good pussy and I like good tree.
88:55That's a great line. You sick fuck. You sick fuck.
88:57You sailor, you. That's a great one. Adding it to the playlist.
89:01I got to just, I got to, I got to release the playlist soon.
89:05But I have one more. I get Moast in a toilet seat.
89:08Man. That's good. Oh, that's really good. Two to the one to the one to the three.
89:13I like good pussy and I like good tree.
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